From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 23 04:18:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA07416 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 04:18:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA07394; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 04:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from guido@localhost) by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.8.5/8.8.2) id NAA16739; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 13:17:43 +0100 (MET) From: Guido van Rooij Message-Id: <199702231217.NAA16739@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: improved setuid and device file checker for /etc/security In-Reply-To: <199702230636.WAA22830@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> from Don Lewis at "Feb 22, 97 10:36:27 pm" To: Don.Lewis@tsc.tdk.com (Don Lewis) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 13:17:42 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Don Lewis wrote: > A few weeks ago I solicited input on how to prevent locate.updatedb and > /etc/security wasting a lot of time digging around the article spool on > our news server. I got a lot of suggestions on different ways to tweak > these scripts to prevent this, but the suggestions mostly involved making > custom changes to these scripts that would be somewhat of a hassle to > maintain. The locate stuff is easy. You can specify parts that have to be skipped. If I remember corectly, it can be controlled by locate.conf in /etc. But only in 2.2. -Guido From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 23 05:16:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA09344 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 05:16:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from shiva.seranis.com.au (shiva.seranis.com.au [203.14.110.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA09336 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 05:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ramakant@localhost) by shiva.seranis.com.au (8.8.3/8.6.9) id AAA06024; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 00:22:48 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 00:22:48 +1100 (EST) From: Ramakant Duggal To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: email-only users under multiple domains on the same machine Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I will greatly appreciate any pointers in this re. The idea is to have sendmail accept email for users not necessarily in the password database and to let pop3 deliver it for them. So abc@dom1.com and abc@dom2.com are two distinct users on the same machine Regards. Rama Duggal From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 23 05:40:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA10309 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 05:40:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from obiwan.aceonline.com.au (obiwan.aceonline.com.au [203.103.90.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA10299 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 05:40:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (adrian@localhost) by obiwan.aceonline.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA04445; Sun, 7 Jan 1996 08:08:54 +0800 (WST) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 08:08:53 +0800 (WST) From: Adrian Chadd To: Ramakant Duggal cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: email-only users under multiple domains on the same machine In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, You'll need to setup "virtual" domains in sendmail - if you grab the sendmail FAQ off the web somewhere it steps though what to change in your /etc/sendmail.cf file, and how to create a database. FYI the database looks like this: abc@domain1.com.au user1@isp.net.au abc@domain2.com.au user2@isp.net.au *@domain2.com.au user3@isp.net.au Since it evaluates from top to bottom (from what I've learnt by playing around) you can do stuff like have a domain with all email addresses for that domain (the *@) going to one person, EXCEPT for a certain set of emails (eg support and questions). Cya. Adrian Chadd On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Ramakant Duggal wrote: > > > I will greatly appreciate any pointers in this re. > > The idea is to have sendmail accept email for users not necessarily in > the password database and to let pop3 deliver it for them. > > So abc@dom1.com and abc@dom2.com are two distinct users on the same machine > > > Regards. > > Rama Duggal > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 23 09:46:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21328 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 09:46:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from phoenix.volant.org (phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA21312 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 09:46:14 -0800 (PST) From: patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG Received: from asimov.Phoenix.Volant.ORG [205.179.79.65] by phoenix.volant.org with smtp (Exim 1.59 #1) id 0vyhzz-0005vw-00; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 09:46:07 -0800 Received: from localhost by asimov.Phoenix.Volant.ORG (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA25235; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 09:48:45 -0800 Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 09:48:45 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG Subject: Re: Cyrus IMAP server To: rjmcintire@wilshire.net Cc: "'FBSD ISP'" In-Reply-To: <199702222321.PAA16211@train.tgci.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Anyone have any experience, thoughts, suggestions on IMAP servers > under freebsd? > > I'm thinking in particualar of the Cyrus IMAP Server... I've been using Cyrus for a while here. It is the only IMAP server that I've worked with; so I can't offer any comparisons. I've found it fairly easy to install and maintain. So far, my few customers have all had IMAP-capable mail agents; so I haven't bothered to set up the daemon to allow POP3 access to the IMAP mailboxes. I replaced sendmail with exim; and set up rules to deliver into a user's Cyrus mailbox if one exists; and to deliver to a traditional unix mailbox if not. With the filtering capabilities of the .forward enabled, incoming mail can easily be split into separate personal IMAP mailboxes based on header and/or body content matching. This could probably also be done with sendmail and procmail. The one thing to be careful about is that the Cyrus deliver program must run as user cyrus. (Or whatever user you have set up to actually own the mailboxes and run the daemon under.) For obvious reasons you don't want to just make it suid. On a related subject... I have no personal need to access my mail from outside the office; but while testing the setup with ML, I found I liked it so much that I've switched over. (Before, I was forwarding my mail to my SPARCstation and using the OpenLook MailTool or CDE dtmail; with a hand-crafted perl program to split incoming mail into separate folders.) If you are looking for a good unix GUI mail user agent for an IMAP environment, I heartily endorse ML. It makes it easy to create and access multiple mailboxes, multiple servers, and multiple accounts on a single server. (In addition to the usual local mail folder support.) About the only thing it doesn't provide is access to the Cyrus access control lists. The bad news is that it uses Motif. I haven't tried building it under Lesstif yet. (I'm running it on the SPARCstation - I do most of my work there because the type4 unix keyboard has a much saner layout than the AT-101 on the PCs. And X11 mean not having to sit at the machine you are running on...) -Pat From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 23 11:09:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27063 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 11:09:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27058 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 11:09:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from Bitch2.Melmac.org (Bitch2.Melmac.org [207.90.181.43]) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.5/20.74.3.14) with ESMTP id LAA14546; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 11:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Bitch2.Melmac.org (8.8.3/8.7.6) id LAA01742; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 11:09:06 -0800 (PST) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199702231909.LAA01742@Bitch2.Melmac.org> Subject: Re: email-only users under multiple domains on the same machine To: ramakant@shiva.seranis.com.au (Ramakant Duggal) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 11:09:06 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from Ramakant Duggal at "Feb 24, 97 00:22:48 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > I will greatly appreciate any pointers in this re. > > The idea is to have sendmail accept email for users not necessarily in > the password database and to let pop3 deliver it for them. > > So abc@dom1.com and abc@dom2.com are two distinct users on the same machine > > > Regards. > > Rama Duggal > Take a look at the sendmail 8.7.x and 8.8.x virtusertable. Ulf. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Feb 23 11:20:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA27451 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 11:20:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from gamma.pair.com (gamma.pair.com [207.86.128.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27416 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 11:19:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [207.104.16.155] (ppp-207-104-16-155.snrf01.pacbell.net [207.104.16.155]) by gamma.pair.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA05863; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 14:20:23 -0500 (EST) X-Envelope-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Sender: erich@mail.powerwareintl.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 11:21:09 -0800 To: rjmcintire@wilshire.net, "'FBSD ISP'" From: erich@powerwareintl.com (Eric Harley) Subject: Re: Cyrus IMAP server Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 7:18 AM 2/22/97, Riley J. McIntire wrote: >Anyone have any experience, thoughts, suggestions on IMAP servers >under freebsd? > >I'm thinking in particualar of the Cyrus IMAP Server... > >tia, works fine for me. no problems with my 100 person installation with a mixed IMAP and POP3 along with News ============================================================================== Eric Harley "Of all God's creatures there is only one that cannot be made the slave of the lash. That one is the cat. If man could be crossed with the cat it would improve man, but deteriorate the cat." -Mark Twain Email: eric.harley@powerwareintl.com Web: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/ PGP: http://www.powerwareintl.com/staff/erich/pgp.txt From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Feb 24 10:19:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05184 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:19:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from argus.acpub.duke.edu (argus.acpub.duke.edu [152.3.233.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05176 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:19:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from louis (async251-28.async.duke.edu [152.3.251.28]) by argus.acpub.duke.edu (8.7.1/Duke-3.0) with SMTP id NAA04676; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:14:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970224181454.006dd608@chem.duke.edu> X-Sender: reese@chem.duke.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:14:54 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Charles Reese Subject: ppp nameservice not working Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have setup some dial-in lines using ppp, but when I dial in and start ppp it refuses to use the nameservers. All works well for connecting to our site with the ppp, but if you try to telnet to some other site directly from the connecting PC you get a 'no DNS entry for ...' However, if I telnet to our site then the nameserver will work and let me telnet, ftp etc. on to some other site. (I hope that not too confusing) Here is the ppp.conf file I am using. ------------------------------ default: disable lqr set debug phase lcp chat set timeout 0 set ns 204.91.99.128 164.109.0.23 ttyd1: set ifaddr 207.86.0.130 207.86.0.145 netmask 255.255.255.224 enable proxy ttyc0: set ifaddr 207.86.0.130 207.86.0.146 netmask 255.255.255.224 enable proxy ttyc1: set ifaddr 207.86.0.130 207.86.0.147 netmask 255.255.255.224 enable proxy ----------------------------- # /etc/resolv.conf # Domain name domain ourway.com # # These are the Digex nameservers # nameserver 204.91.99.128 nameserver 164.109.0.23 nameserver 106.109.1.3 TIA Charlie Reese ------------------------------------------------------------- Charles E. Reese * * Durham, NC 27710 * Buy Sell Trade CDs * 919-660-1585 * NO MIDDLEMAN * 919-544-7217 * TOTALLY FREE * * http://trader.ourway.com * reese@chem.duke.edu * * ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Feb 24 10:37:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06840 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:37:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06834 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from infowest.com (infowest.com [204.17.177.10]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA07371 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 10:37:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from orchestra (hop@Garibaldi.infowest.com [204.17.177.119]) by infowest.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03645 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:36:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970224113618.006aa8e4@infowest.com> X-Sender: agifford@infowest.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 beta 12 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:36:18 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "Aaron D. Gifford" Subject: 2.1.7 and Tripwire ftruncate() fun Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Is anyone running tripwire on FreeBSD 2.1.7? It compiled fine for me but dies while initializing the tripwire database with a truncate error. The source code looks like it should work fine. I did a little testing and see that ftruncate(fd, 0) call is failing with error 22 EINVAL which the ftruncate() man page says "The fd references a socket, not a file." and this is NOT true. The fd sent to the ftruncate() call is a fd to a temp file in /tmp that has been unlink()'d and is of length 0 on my machine when the ftruncate() call is made. Adding some more testing code, I successfully did a write(fd, "TEST\n", 5) to the fd both BEFORE and AFTER the failed ftruncate() call and after commenting out the unlink() code so the file would remain in /tmp, I saw that indeed the file contained the two "TEST\n" lines, one written before the failed ftruncate() call and the other written after ftruncate() failed with an EINVAL error. Weird! Is this an OS bug? I searched the archives and saw that the ftruncate() failure with tripwire was briefly mentioned in about 4-6 messages almost a year ago, but no solutions were forthcoming. Aaron out. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Feb 24 11:57:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA12516 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:57:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from infowest.com (infowest.com [204.17.177.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12509 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 11:57:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from orchestra (Garibaldi.infowest.com [204.17.177.119]) by infowest.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA07560 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:57:28 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970224125707.00d5f0a0@infowest.com> X-Sender: agifford@infowest.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 beta 12 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:57:07 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "Aaron D. Gifford" Subject: 2.1.7 and Tripwire ftruncate() fun (MORE INFO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, First the questions: Is anyone successfully running Tripwire on FreeBSD 2.1.7? If so, how did you overcome the problem with ftruncate()? Is the problem with ftruncate() in Tripwire an OS bug? Is it a compiler bug? Now for the background: I downloaded Tripwire 1.2 from ftp://coast.cs.purdue.edu/pub/Purdue/Tripwire/tripwire-1.2.tar.Z and compiled it. I followed the instructions in the README file included in the tarball and the compile and install went smoothly. I then created my own custom config file for tripwire. Last, I ran tripwire to create the initial database. Here's what happened: bash# ./tripwire -initialize ### Phase 1: Reading configuration file ### Phase 2: Generating file list ### Phase 3: Creating file information database truncate(): Invalid argument bash# I then went back to the source files for tripwire and grep'd for truncate. I found the only occurence was a call to "ftruncate()" in the file "dbase.build.c" in the subroutine "database_record_write()" and nowhere else. Looking at the code some more, I noticed that the file which was to be truncated with ftruncate() was opened the very first time database_record_write() was called by a call to fd_tempfilename_generate() in utils.c, a subroutine that opens a temporary file for reading and writing in /tmp then unlinks it and returns the file descriptor number to the caller. Just so I could see what was happening, I commented out the "unlink()" call in fd_tempfilename_generate() in utils.c so that the temporary file would stick around. In database_record_write() in dbase.build.c I then added some code around the call to ftruncate: /* Added code begins: */ fprintf(stderr, "fdsymlink = %d\n", fdsymlink); if ((err = write(fdsymlink, "Before...\n", 10)) != 10) { fprintf(stderr, "BEFORE: write() returned %d\n", err); } else { fprintf(stderr, "BEFORE: write() succeeded!\n"); } /* End of first chunk of added code */ /* The line below was altered. The original line WAS: if (ftruncate(fdsymlink, 0) < 0) { */ if ((err=ftruncate(fdsymlink, 0)) < 0) { /* More added code below: */ fprintf(stderr, "ftruncate() failed, returning %d -- fdsymlink=%d " "and errno=%d \"%s\"\n", err, fdsymlink, errno, strerror(errno)); if ((err = write(fdsymlink, "After...\n", 9)) != 9) { fprintf(stderr, "AFTER: write() returned %d\n", err); } else { fprintf(stderr, "AFTER: write() succeeded!\n"); } /* End of added code chunk #2 */ die_with_err("truncate()", NULL); } After adding the stuff above I recompiled and this is what I saw: bash# ./tripwire -initialize ### Phase 1: Reading configuration file ### Phase 2: Generating file list ### Phase 3: Creating file information database BEFORE: write() succeeded! ftruncate() failed, returning -1 -- fdsymlink=4 and errno=22 "Invalid argument" AFTER: write() succeeded! truncate(): Invalid argument bash# ls -l /tmp total 2 -rw------- 1 root bin 19 Feb 24 12:42 twz006363 bash# cat /tmp/twz006363 Before... After... bash# I must say I was (and I still am) very puzzled. A quick 'man errno' informed me: 22 EINVAL Invalid argument. Some invalid argument was supplied. (For ex- ample, specifying an undefined signal to a signal or kill func- tion). Then a quick 'man ftruncate' returned: Ftruncate() succeeds unless: [EBADF] The fd is not a valid descriptor. [EINVAL] The fd references a socket, not a file. [EINVAL] The fd is not open for writing. >From my test code and from looking at the tripwire source, the fd is a FILE (not a socket) and is open for WRITING, so why is ftruncate() returning EINVAL? I cannot understand it. From looking at the contents of the temp file after my code additions, I see that when the ftruncate() call occurs, the temp file is length 10 (from the "Before...\n"), the call failes with EINVAL then the very same file descriptor is successfully written to again ("After...\n"). So, what's going on? The tripwire source looks like it SHOULD work. Any ideas? I searched the archive at freebsd.org for "tripwire" and "truncate" and saw a few messages from about a year ago. Unfortunately, none of the messages was of any use (most just reported the bug). Thanks in advance for any and all information. I would really like to get tripwire working. Puzzled, Aaron Gifford From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Feb 24 12:57:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA17277 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:57:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from infowest.com (infowest.com [204.17.177.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17255; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 12:57:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from orchestra (Garibaldi.infowest.com [204.17.177.119]) by infowest.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA10411; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:57:27 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970224135706.0103f43c@infowest.com> X-Sender: agifford@infowest.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 beta 12 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 13:57:06 -0700 To: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: "Aaron D. Gifford" Subject: Re: 2.1.7 and Tripwire ftruncate() fun In-Reply-To: <199702242039.PAA09439@tarpit.thrush.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19970224113618.006aa8e4@infowest.com> <3.0.1.32.19970224113618.006aa8e4@infowest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 03:39 PM 2/24/97 -0500, Mr. Thrush wrote: > I'm not running FreeBSD, however... make sure that the ftruncate >prototype is getting correctly included since ftruncate has an off_t >argument which will be 64 bits on FreeBSD and other 4.4 derivatives. > > #include > #include > >should appear before ftruncate() usage. Thanks for the note. I checked this before I emailed the list(s) and the .c file does correctly include these header files. I did the check because one of the archive messages from about a year ago mentioned something about the correct header files. I could find no ftruncate() prototypes in any of the tripwire .c or .h source files either, so I must conclude that the prototype was successfully included from the above mentioned header files. Sincerely, Aaron Gifford From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Feb 24 14:39:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA24973 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:39:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from infowest.com (infowest.com [204.17.177.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24930; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 14:39:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from orchestra (Garibaldi.infowest.com [204.17.177.119]) by infowest.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA15098; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:39:54 -0701 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970224153932.00d801b0@infowest.com> X-Sender: agifford@infowest.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 beta 12 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:39:32 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: "Aaron D. Gifford" Subject: SOLVED: 2.1.7 and Tripwire ftruncate() fun Cc: Craig Shrimpton In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19970224125654.00d5f0a0@infowest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 04:28 PM 2/24/97 -0500, Craig Shrimpton wrote: >I'm running Tripwire with no problems. I do remember that I had to >compile the program with #define STDLIBH in the conf-bsd.h file. Without >that it will not process symlinks. > > >Craig Thank you Craig Shrimpton for pointing me at the solution. I really thought I had defined STDLIBH. In my earlier search through the archives, I noticed a message mentioning that certain header files need to be included for ftruncate to correctly work. I then looked at the Tripwire sources and noticed that STDLIBH must be defined for the file(s) to be correctly included. I then defined STDLIBH in the Makefile as a compiler command-line "-DSTDLIBH" so I thought STDLIBH was defined. I was mistaken. I didn't even bother to check the Tripwire configs/conf-bsd.h (which I was using) at all. There was a nifty little "#undef STDLIBH" line in there defeating my command-line definition. Thanks to craigs@os.com's message for pointing me to the conf-bsd.h file! Here's what I did to get Tripwire working on my 2.1.7 system. In Tripwire's configs subdirectory, I copied conf-bsd.h, creating a conf-freebsd.h file. I edited it and changed it so that STDLIBH and DIRENT were both #defined instead of #undef'd. I then edited Tripwire's include/config.h file so that it included the new conf-freebsd.h file. That was all. Simple, is it not? Upon rebuilding Tripwire and reinstalling it, all appears to be working well! Thanks for all the responses, and thanks especially to Craig Shrimpton. I was very confused, barking up the wrong tree. Sincerely, Aaron Gifford From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Feb 24 15:06:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA26543 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:06:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from softway95.softway.com (softway95.softway.com [206.80.1.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26537 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:06:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from renaud@localhost) by softway95.softway.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id PAA05528 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:03:15 -0800 (PST) From: Renaud Waldura Message-Id: <199702242303.PAA05528@softway95.softway.com> Subject: DNS sortlist To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:03:14 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: Renaud Waldura Organization: Softway, Inc. (San Francisco) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi to all, I have this machine here with two network interfaces, hence two IPs, both registered in the DNS. machine A 1.1.1.1 A 2.2.2.2 When I'm on network 1, my DNS queries for "machine" return as first address 1.1.1.1; when I'm on network 2, my DNS queries "machine" return as first address 2.2.2.2. Groovy, this is exactly what I want. Now, I'm trying to _always_ get address 2.2.2.2 when I'm on network 3, or even a totally different network. I want that queries from non-local networks always get returned a specific address first. How can I do that? The current behavior seems to be round-robbin, ie. first 1.1.1.1 then 2.2.2.2 then 1.1.1.1 then 2.2.2.2 etc. I played with named's "sortlist" feature a little bit, but without any interesting results. I'm using named 4.9.3-BETA17 (ok, ok, I'll upgrade--soon). Thanks a lot, -- -- Renaud Waldura -- -- Softway International, Inc -- -- rw@softway.com -- -- 185 Berry Street, Suite 5514 -- -- San Francisco, CA 94107 -- -- USA -- -- Tel (415) 896-0708 -- Fax (415) 896-0709 -- http://www.softway.com/ -- -- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Feb 24 16:42:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA04825 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:42:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA04805; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:42:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA02590; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:34:18 -0800 (PST) To: "Aaron D. Gifford" cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Craig Shrimpton Subject: Re: SOLVED: 2.1.7 and Tripwire ftruncate() fun In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 24 Feb 1997 15:39:32 MST." <3.0.1.32.19970224153932.00d801b0@infowest.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 16:34:18 -0800 Message-ID: <2586.856830858@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Upon rebuilding Tripwire and reinstalling it, all appears to be working well! Great, now if we could just get you to make a *port* of this, all that wonderful special-case knowledge would be encapsulated in a nice, easy to swallow pill for the less wizardly among us. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Feb 24 21:49:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA25380 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 21:49:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from npc.haplink.co.cn ([202.96.192.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25358 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 1997 21:49:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by npc.haplink.co.cn (8.8.4/8.6.9) id NAA29028; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 13:49:28 GMT Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 13:49:28 GMT From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199702251349.NAA29028@npc.haplink.co.cn> To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Virtual WWW with Apache Cc: xiyuan@haplink.co.cn Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have setup a virtual WWW server with apache1.1.1, say: www.huaming.com. Must I first register the domain: huaming.com to make it work? How can I register it? If there is no need to register the virtual domain first, how can others find it? Best regaurds! --xiyuan From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Feb 25 04:51:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA20195 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 04:51:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.extech.msk.su (ns.extech.msk.su [193.124.244.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA20174; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 04:50:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from Shine.extech.msk.su (shine.extech.msk.su [193.124.244.35]) by ns.extech.msk.su (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA23045; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 15:53:19 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <199702251253.PAA23045@ns.extech.msk.su> From: "Vnotchenko S.S." To: , Subject: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 15:53:17 +0300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, all! My friends and I planing to use 2.1.7R-FreeBSD as main server (DNS,Web,INND,FTP) for ours ISP network. We want use something like this: PCI, Pentium-PRO ATX CPU, 64 Mb EDO RAM, 2x4.5 Gb SCSI, 8x SCSI CD-ROM, 10Mbit Ethernet. Please, recommend us hardware (firm, model) known as best (reliable, fast) working under 2.1.7R-FreeBSD (PCI devices if possible). --- CPU: Motherboard: SCSI Host adapter: SCSI Hard drives: SCSI CD-ROM: Ethernet card: --- Thanks in advance, Sergey (sergey@extech.msk.su). From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Feb 25 05:36:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA21624 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 05:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA21619; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 05:36:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from deepo.prosa.dk ([193.89.187.27]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id FAA12379 ; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 05:36:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.4/prosa-1.1) id OAA09291; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 14:37:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 14:37:33 +0100 From: regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk (Philippe Regnauld) To: sergey@extech.msk.su (Vnotchenko S.S.) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD References: <199702251253.PAA23045@ns.extech.msk.su> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.58 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-BETA_A i386 In-Reply-To: <199702251253.PAA23045@ns.extech.msk.su>; from Vnotchenko S.S. on Feb 25, 1997 15:53:17 +0300 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Vnotchenko S.S. (sergey) ecrit/writes: > (reliable, fast) working under 2.1.7R-FreeBSD (PCI devices if possible). > > --- > CPU: No choice: Intel. A round multiple of the board clock. > Motherboard: Asus / Tyan / Giga-byte. Asys has a very good rep. They also all offer an SMP version of their MB's (planning for FreeBSD-SMP :-). They have 4 ISA and 4 PCI if you look for the right one. > SCSI Host adapter: Several NCR 53c8xx is a _very_ good choice -- like 2 controllers (1~2 disks / controller, and use ccd across 2/3 disks for news spool = 10-15 Mb / sec!). PCI. > SCSI Hard drives: Whatever you feel comfortable with. > SCSI CD-ROM: Plextor ? NEC ? Some people hate Sony. > Ethernet card: DEC chipsets, 10 or 100, 100 is cheaper and cheaper. 3Com is a very good card, worth the extra bucks. Both come in PCI. > Thanks in advance, Sergey (sergey@extech.msk.su). For generally top-level tips, see the list archives, search for 'Joe Greco', 'ccd', 'news server' :-))) -- Phil -- -[ Philippe Regnauld / Systems Administrator / regnauld@prosa.dk ]- -[ Location.: +55.4N +11.3E PGP Key: finger regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk ]- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Feb 25 08:34:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA00601 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from superior.truenorth.org (ppp011-sm2.sirius.com [205.134.231.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00574; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:33:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by superior.truenorth.org (8.8.5/8.7.3) id IAA03327; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:31:54 -0800 (PST) From: Josef Grosch Message-Id: <199702251631.IAA03327@superior.truenorth.org> Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199702251253.PAA23045@ns.extech.msk.su> from "Vnotchenko S.S." at "Feb 25, 97 03:53:17 pm" To: sergey@extech.msk.su (Vnotchenko S.S.) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:31:53 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: jgrosch@sirius.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Hi, all! >My friends and I planing to use 2.1.7R-FreeBSD as main server >(DNS,Web,INND,FTP) for ours ISP network. >We want use something like this: PCI, Pentium-PRO ATX CPU, 64 Mb EDO RAM, >2x4.5 Gb SCSI, >8x SCSI CD-ROM, 10Mbit Ethernet. Please, recommend us hardware (firm, >model) known as best >(reliable, fast) working under 2.1.7R-FreeBSD (PCI devices if possible). > >--- >CPU: Intel 133Mhz. are a goof buy now. 200Mhz are damn pricey >Motherboard: Asus Motherboards are very good. I have never heard anything bad about them. Make sure the chip set is a Triton-II (Intel's 430HX PCIset) >SCSI Host adapter: I have had very good luck with Adaptec controllers. The 2940 is a very good PCI SCSI controller. >SCSI Hard drives: I have good luck with seagate drives. Others may tell you different. >SCSI CD-ROM: Do you really need 8X speed? If you are just using the CD-ROM drive to pull data off a CD save your money and buy a 4X. I have had good luck with my NEC. >Ethernet card: I have a cheapo NE2000 clone. The DEC PCI ethernet cards are very good. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Laugh while you can, monkey boy ! | FreeBSD 2.1.6 jgrosch@sirius.com | - John Warfin - | UNIX for the masses From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Feb 25 09:03:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02240 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02213; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:03:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA27449; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:02:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:02:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: "Vnotchenko S.S." cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199702251253.PAA23045@ns.extech.msk.su> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Vnotchenko S.S. wrote: > Hi, all! > My friends and I planing to use 2.1.7R-FreeBSD as main server > (DNS,Web,INND,FTP) for ours ISP network. > We want use something like this: PCI, Pentium-PRO ATX CPU, 64 Mb EDO RAM, > 2x4.5 Gb SCSI, > 8x SCSI CD-ROM, 10Mbit Ethernet. Please, recommend us hardware (firm, > model) known as best > (reliable, fast) working under 2.1.7R-FreeBSD (PCI devices if possible). I'm sure others will recommend 4x2Gb scsi instead. My personal recomendation would be an AHA2940UW, with 2Gb ultrawide drives (IBM makes some good, and suprizingly inexpensive drives in this category). For 10MBit ethernet, I'd recommend something based on the DEC 21041AC. They're fast (only dropped 10 packets out of a million packet flood ping, FTP rages >1MB/Sec), cheap (found mine for $35), and work well with the de driver. Video depends on what you want to use the computer for. If it's an X workstation, look for one of the good accellerated chipsets. Stay away from the S3 Virge chipset if you want to use truecolor (for java, etc), because the XFree Virge drivers are still under development. If this is only going to be a server sitting at the console most of the time, Just about anything will work well. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Feb 25 10:19:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA06794 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:19:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from nemesis.idirect.com (root@nemesis.idirect.com [207.136.80.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA06789 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:18:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from relief.idirect.com (relief.idirect.com [207.136.80.47]) by nemesis.idirect.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA16656 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 13:18:43 -0500 Received: from hailnet7.idirect.com (1147@frey.idirect.com [207.136.96.19]) by relief.idirect.com (8.6.9/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA05711 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:19:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 08:19:41 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.16.19970225131558.280f484a@idirect.com> X-Sender: syoung@idirect.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: FreeBSD-isp@FreeBSD.org From: steve Subject: routed help needed with /etc/gateways Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Guys! I have been trying to get my FreeBSD box to handle slip dial-ins; I have one class 'C' address subnetted as 255.255.255.248 (3 host bits); I have the modem on the .16 subnet, with ip addr .17, and want the remote machine dialing in as .18. routed deletes the interface after nearly tree minutes. Danny informed me that the sl0 interface needed to be marked as passive. I have tried several dozen combinations, killed and re-ran routed; then watched the log each time. Usually the interface won't mark as passive; even when I get a combination that appears to work, as soon as the modem answers, and sliplogin runs, the interface is UNmarked passive, and the problem repeats. in /etc/gateways I have tried combos of: host 205.150.48.18 gateway 205.150.48.17 metric 1 passive net 205.150.48.16 gateway 205.150.48.17 metric 1 passive net 205.150.48.16 gateway localhost metric 1 external host 205.150.48.18 gateway 205.150.48.17 metric 1 external host 205.150.48.17 gateway localhost metric 1 passive etc. with net lines, host lines, passive and external. Can someone tell me which one(s) will work? Many thanx, Steve From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Feb 25 10:38:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA07554 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:38:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.210.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA07549; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.33] by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.59 #1) id 0vzJzG-0000Xa-00; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 02:19:54 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 02:19:53 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: "Vnotchenko S.S." cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199702251253.PAA23045@ns.extech.msk.su> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Vnotchenko S.S. wrote: ... > We want use something like this: PCI, Pentium-PRO ATX CPU, 64 Mb EDO RAM, ... Always use parity RAM on servers, especially if you are buying everything from scratch. EDO doesn't give you much of a improvement if your motherboard supports pipeline-burst-cache. Tom From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Feb 25 14:11:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA19817 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 14:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19812 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 14:11:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id JAA11111; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:20:55 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:20:54 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: steve cc: FreeBSD-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: routed help needed with /etc/gateways In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.16.19970225131558.280f484a@idirect.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, steve wrote: > I have been trying to get my FreeBSD box to handle slip dial-ins; I have one > class 'C' address subnetted as 255.255.255.248 (3 host bits); I have the > modem on the .16 subnet, with ip addr .17, and want the remote machine > dialing in as .18. > > routed deletes the interface after nearly tree minutes. Danny informed me > that the sl0 interface needed to be marked as passive. I have tried several Have you tried gated instead? It is much more configurable. I'll send you a conf file if you like. BTW, you can use your ethernet interface IP address as the local end IP address of a slip link - saves an IP address. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Feb 25 16:15:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26912 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:15:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA26794 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:13:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA19895 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:13:47 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA06505 for ; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:08:59 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:08:57 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: interface defaults again (Re: BGP announcements and small providers) Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 13:23:58 -0800 From: Paul A Vixie To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: interface defaults again (Re: BGP announcements and small providers ) > Knowing that NSPs are filtering /24s, how does an Internet Content > Provider (ICP) with just a /24 (all that is needed) that is wishing > to be dual-homed see all of the net? Why even use a /24? Here is a "netstat -nr" from an interface default client, which has an RFC1597 private network for its content server and a BSD/OS 2.1 squid accelerator front-ending it. Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Interface default:de1 137.39.63.225 UGS 1 0 de1 default:de2 204.74.120.1 UGS 1 0 de2 default 137.39.63.225 UGS 1523 15365222 de1 127 127.0.0.1 UGRS 0 0 lo0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 11 6482 lo0 137.39.63.224/27 link#2 UC 0 0 de1 137.39.63.225 0:0:c:35:29:a0 UHL 1 307 de1 137.39.63.227 0:0:f8:1:a5:8e UHL 0 16 de1 137.39.63.228 0:a0:24:94:5b:e9 UHL 0 3 de1 137.39.63.255 link#2 UHL 0 1 de1 192.168.1 link#1 UC 0 0 de0 192.168.1.1 0:0:f8:2:b3:66 UHL 1 20 lo0 192.168.1.2 8:0:69:2:65:e7 UHL 2 793220 de0 192.168.1.255 link#1 UHL 1 206 de0 204.74.120/27 link#3 UC 0 0 de2 204.74.120.31 link#3 UHL 0 1 de2 224/8 link#1 UC 0 0 de0 The diffs are all PD and should apply OK against other BSDish systems. I gave a more detailed talk about this at SF NANOG. The diffs are also quite short. % ftp ftp.vix.com ftp> cd pub/vixie/ifdefault ftp> ls -rw-rw-r-- 1 716 ten 1731 Jan 31 06:15 ifconfig-diffs -rw-rw-r-- 1 716 ten 5386 Jan 31 05:59 kernel-diffs -rw-rw-r-- 1 716 ten 3696 Jan 31 06:23 netstat-diffs You also need to set up a "socket" forwarder for things you want to be handled by the private-net device: telnet stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/libexec/tcpd socket 192.168.1.2 23 other-ssl stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/libexec/socket socket 192.168.1.2 145 There's a small amount of sendmail.cf work needed to masquerade as the private host and relay mail between the different address spaces. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Feb 25 22:10:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA18150 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA18141; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:10:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id WAA14627; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA29342; Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:10:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199702260610.WAA29342@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Tom Samplonius cc: "Vnotchenko S.S." , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 25 Feb 97 02:19:53 -0800. Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:10:15 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> We want use something like this: PCI, Pentium-PRO ATX CPU, 64 Mb EDO RAM, > Always use parity RAM on servers, especially if you are buying >everything from scratch. > EDO doesn't give you much of a improvement if your motherboard supports >pipeline-burst-cache. My guess is that it doesn't, since the cache is built into the CPU... :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 26 02:21:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA29534 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 02:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from shadows.aeon.net (bsdisp@shadows.aeon.net [194.100.41.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA29526 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 02:21:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bsdisp@localhost) by shadows.aeon.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) id MAA26280 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:18:03 +0200 (EET) From: mika ruohotie Message-Id: <199702261018.MAA26280@shadows.aeon.net> Subject: portmaster pm3 dual e1, anyone? To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 12:18:03 +0200 (EET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk i was wondering if there's anyone actually using that one? and i am only interested in the european version, dual e1 does it work? reliable? requires much twiddling with radius/freebsd? and the modems, how well does those operate? both with isdn and analog modems... mickey -- mika ruohotie mika@aeon.net From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 26 03:14:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA01451 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 03:14:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from sand.sentex.ca (sand.sentex.ca [206.222.77.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01446 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 03:14:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from gravel (gravel.sentex.ca [205.211.165.210]) by sand.sentex.ca (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id GAA23841; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 06:16:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970226060308.0099ce40@sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@sentex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 06:03:08 -0500 To: mika ruohotie , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: portmaster pm3 dual e1, anyone? In-Reply-To: <199702261018.MAA26280@shadows.aeon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:18 PM 2/26/97 +0200, mika ruohotie wrote: >i was wondering if there's anyone actually using that one? > >and i am only interested in the european version, dual e1 > >does it work? reliable? requires much twiddling with radius/freebsd? > >and the modems, how well does those operate? both with isdn and >analog modems... Dont know about the Euro version, but we are running a mixed environment with PM2e's and a one PM3 so far.... FreeBSD isnt officially supported by Livingston, but they do officially support BSDi... However, with a very small modification to the sources, the radius daemon compiles cleanly and runs quite well... But if you dont have any custom patches, the precompiled binary runs just fine. I like the livingston boxes a lot, and there is great support for them on the livingston sponsored mailling lists... (check out www.livingston.com for info on how to subscribe). ---Mike ********************************************************************** Mike Tancsa (mike@sentex.net) * To do is to be -- Nietzsche Sentex Communications Corp, * To be is to do -- Sartre Cambridge, Ontario * Do be do be do -- Sinatre (http://www.sentex.net/~mdtancsa) * From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 26 04:17:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA04322 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 04:17:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [206.171.98.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA04304; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 04:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA01580; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 04:14:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 04:14:41 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: Tom Samplonius , "Vnotchenko S.S." , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199702260610.WAA29342@MindBender.serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > > Always use parity RAM on servers, especially if you are buying > >everything from scratch. > > EDO doesn't give you much of a improvement if your motherboard supports > >pipeline-burst-cache. > > My guess is that it doesn't, since the cache is built into the CPU... > :-) Actually, from what Rodney Grimes had told me, the cache built into the CPU is the L1 (Level 1) cache while the L2 cache is the cache on the motherboard, with Pipeline Burst Caching, it will give like the same improvement EDO ram will give with a non-PBC Cache but if used in conjunction with PBC, the increase isn't that big to make much of a difference. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 26 04:42:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA05326 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 04:42:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from public1.guangzhou.gd.cn (public1.guangzhou.gd.cn [202.96.128.111]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA05318 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 04:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ding.guangzhou ([202.96.158.230]) by public1.guangzhou.gd.cn (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA14427 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:43:44 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:43:44 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <199702261243.UAA14427@public1.guangzhou.gd.cn> X-Sender: gzsjsc@public.guangzhou.gd.cn (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: William Ding Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk help From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 26 05:06:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA05938 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 05:06:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from zwei.siemens.at (zwei.siemens.at [193.81.246.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA05918; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 05:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from sol1.gud.siemens.co.at (root@[10.1.143.100]) by zwei.siemens.at (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12605; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:07:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at by sol1.gud.siemens.co.at with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7 for ) id m0vzj38-0001zDC; Wed, 26 Feb 97 14:05 MET Received: by ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at (1.37.109.16/1.37) id AA083142096; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:01:36 +0100 From: "Hr.Ladavac" Message-Id: <199702261301.AA083142096@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD To: vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM (Vincent Poy) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:01:36 +0100 (MEZ) Cc: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, tom@sdf.com, sergey@extech.msk.su, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Vincent Poy" at Feb 26, 97 04:14:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk E-mail message from Vincent Poy contained: > On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > > > > Always use parity RAM on servers, especially if you are buying > > >everything from scratch. > > > EDO doesn't give you much of a improvement if your motherboard supports > > >pipeline-burst-cache. > > > > My guess is that it doesn't, since the cache is built into the CPU... > > :-) > > Actually, from what Rodney Grimes had told me, the cache built > into the CPU is the L1 (Level 1) cache while the L2 cache is the cache on > the motherboard, with Pipeline Burst Caching, it will give like the same > improvement EDO ram will give with a non-PBC Cache but if used in > conjunction with PBC, the increase isn't that big to make much of a > difference. With the slight exception of PPro processors where both L1 and L2 caches reside in the same package, albeit on two separate pieces of sillicon... /Marino > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 26 05:16:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA06432 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 05:16:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA06401; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 05:16:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM by agora.rdrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0vzjDW-0008zXC; Wed, 26 Feb 97 05:16 PST Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA01824; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 05:09:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 05:09:53 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: "Hr.Ladavac" cc: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, tom@sdf.com, sergey@extech.msk.su, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199702261301.AA083142096@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Hr.Ladavac wrote: > With the slight exception of PPro processors where both L1 and L2 caches > reside in the same package, albeit on two separate pieces of sillicon... But doesn't PPro motherboards still have external cache? Also, is the PPro actually the P6 chip? if this is the case, what is the code name for the Klamath 300Mhz processor Intel will be releasing? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 26 05:34:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA07420 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 05:34:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from zwei.siemens.at (zwei.siemens.at [193.81.246.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA07396; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 05:34:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sol1.gud.siemens.co.at (root@[10.1.143.100]) by zwei.siemens.at (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13391; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:36:00 +0100 (MET) Received: from ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at by sol1.gud.siemens.co.at with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7 for ) id m0vzjUT-0001zDC; Wed, 26 Feb 97 14:33 MET Received: by ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at (1.37.109.16/1.37) id AA092753791; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:29:51 +0100 From: "Hr.Ladavac" Message-Id: <199702261329.AA092753791@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD To: vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM (Vincent Poy) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 14:29:51 +0100 (MEZ) Cc: lada@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at, michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, tom@sdf.com, sergey@extech.msk.su, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Vincent Poy" at Feb 26, 97 05:09:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk E-mail message from Vincent Poy contained: > On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Hr.Ladavac wrote: > > > With the slight exception of PPro processors where both L1 and L2 caches > > reside in the same package, albeit on two separate pieces of sillicon... > > But doesn't PPro motherboards still have external cache? Also, is > the PPro actually the P6 chip? if this is the case, what is the code name > for the Klamath 300Mhz processor Intel will be releasing? None that I have seen--agreed, I have only seen ASUS motherboards. AFAIK, no PC motherboard supports L3 cache. Yes, it used to be known as P6, but iNTEL had trademark problems with that name. /Marino > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 26 06:26:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA10085 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 06:26:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from main.inetnow.net (root@main.inetnow.net [206.137.8.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA10080 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 06:26:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from default (a03-54.inetnow.net [207.76.93.246]) by main.inetnow.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA20514 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:19:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <33144816.1C5A@inetnow.net> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:26:30 -0500 From: Adam Alonso Reply-To: pcadam@inetnow.net Organization: MAG Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD References: <199702261329.AA092753791@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hr.Ladavac wrote: > > E-mail message from Vincent Poy contained: > > On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Hr.Ladavac wrote: > > > > > With the slight exception of PPro processors where both L1 and L2 caches > > > reside in the same package, albeit on two separate pieces of sillicon... > > > > But doesn't PPro motherboards still have external cache? Also, is > > the PPro actually the P6 chip? if this is the case, what is the code name > > for the Klamath 300Mhz processor Intel will be releasing? > > None that I have seen--agreed, I have only seen ASUS motherboards. AFAIK, > no PC motherboard supports L3 cache. Yes, it used to be known as P6, but > iNTEL had trademark problems with that name. > I dont think they had trademark problems with 'P6'. They would have had trademark problems with '586' or '686' because you cant trademark a number. So when the 586 came out the called it the Pentium instead. Then when the P6 came out they had spent so much money promoting the Pentium so they just called the P6 the Pentium Pro, even though they are totaly separate processoers. I think there was one time that Intel did have a problem with trade marks. When they made the 486DX4-100 it is really only clock trippled, but DX3 was trademarked by some car company, so they called it the DX4. I think. > /Marino > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 26 08:13:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA15309 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA15303; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:13:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id IAA26301; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:13:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03753; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:13:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199702261613.IAA03753@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Vincent Poy cc: Tom Samplonius , "Vnotchenko S.S." , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 26 Feb 97 04:14:41 -0800. Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:13:12 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> > Always use parity RAM on servers, especially if you are buying >> >everything from scratch. >> > EDO doesn't give you much of a improvement if your motherboard supports >> >pipeline-burst-cache. >> My guess is that it doesn't, since the cache is built into the CPU... >> :-) > Actually, from what Rodney Grimes had told me, the cache built >into the CPU is the L1 (Level 1) cache while the L2 cache is the cache on >the motherboard, with Pipeline Burst Caching, it will give like the same Nope, you are completely wrong. Go read the specs for yourself sometime. You can find them at http://www.intel.com/. The Pentium Pro (sometimes known as the P6) has a dual-well carrier design that has both the L1 and the L2 cache in the "chip". I. e., there are two separate pieces of silicon, but they are both in the same package. There is no L3 cache on the motherboard. Note that the Klamath will be different. The L2 cache will not be in the same chip carrier. But it will not be on the "motherboard", either. The Klamath will be delivered in some kind of funky "cartridge" that contains the CPU, cache, and supposedly some other support circuitry. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 26 09:30:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA20477 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:30:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20430; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:29:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA28299; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:20:00 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199702261720.KAA28299@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD To: lada@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at (Hr.Ladavac) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:20:00 -0700 (MST) Cc: vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM, michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, tom@sdf.com, sergey@extech.msk.su, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199702261301.AA083142096@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> from "Hr.Ladavac" at Feb 26, 97 02:01:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > With the slight exception of PPro processors where both L1 and L2 caches > reside in the same package, albeit on two separate pieces of sillicon... What a neat idea. Then if you want a larger L2, I can make you buy a whole new processor. 8-| Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 26 09:31:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA20615 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from zwei.siemens.at (zwei.siemens.at [193.81.246.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20597; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:31:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from sol1.gud.siemens.co.at (root@[10.1.143.100]) by zwei.siemens.at (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA19954; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:32:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at by sol1.gud.siemens.co.at with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7 for ) id m0vznBU-0001zDC; Wed, 26 Feb 97 18:30 MET Received: by ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at (1.37.109.16/1.37) id AA177037988; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:26:28 +0100 From: "Hr.Ladavac" Message-Id: <199702261726.AA177037988@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:26:28 +0100 (MEZ) Cc: lada@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at, vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM, michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, tom@sdf.com, sergey@extech.msk.su, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199702261720.KAA28299@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Feb 26, 97 10:20:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk E-mail message from Terry Lambert contained: > > With the slight exception of PPro processors where both L1 and L2 caches > > reside in the same package, albeit on two separate pieces of sillicon... > > What a neat idea. Then if you want a larger L2, I can make you > buy a whole new processor. And charge you double: after all, you're getting twice as many transistors in the cache... /Marino > > 8-| > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 26 09:35:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21010 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:35:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from zwei.siemens.at (zwei.siemens.at [193.81.246.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA21004; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 09:35:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sol1.gud.siemens.co.at (root@[10.1.143.100]) by zwei.siemens.at (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA20059; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:36:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at by sol1.gud.siemens.co.at with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7 for ) id m0vznFP-0001zDC; Wed, 26 Feb 97 18:34 MET Received: by ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at (1.37.109.16/1.37) id AA177658232; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:30:32 +0100 From: "Hr.Ladavac" Message-Id: <199702261730.AA177658232@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD To: lada@ws2313.gud.siemens.co.at (Hr.Ladavac) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 18:30:32 +0100 (MEZ) Cc: terry@lambert.org, lada@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at, vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM, michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, tom@sdf.com, sergey@extech.msk.su, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199702261726.AA177037988@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> from "Hr.Ladavac" at Feb 26, 97 06:26:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk E-mail message from Hr.Ladavac contained: > E-mail message from Terry Lambert contained: > > > With the slight exception of PPro processors where both L1 and L2 caches > > > reside in the same package, albeit on two separate pieces of sillicon... > > > > What a neat idea. Then if you want a larger L2, I can make you > > buy a whole new processor. > > And charge you double: after all, you're getting twice as many > transistors in the cache... My brain fart: you should consider it a bargain, since you're getting at least *four* time as many transistors (the cache is static, idiot :) /Marino > > /Marino > > > > 8-| > > > > > > Terry Lambert > > terry@lambert.org > > --- > > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > > or previous employers. > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 26 10:29:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA23757 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:29:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [193.125.152.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA23729; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:29:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA19728 (5.65.kiae-1 ); Wed, 26 Feb 1997 20:58:58 +0300 Received: by sovcom.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Wed, 26 Feb 97 20:58:58 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA00537; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:13:54 +0300 (MSK) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:13:48 +0300 (MSK) From: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" Cc: "Vnotchenko S.S." , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Eric J. Schwertfeger wrote: > Video depends on what you want to use the computer for. If it's an X > workstation, look for one of the good accellerated chipsets. Stay away > from the S3 Virge chipset if you want to use truecolor (for java, etc), > because the XFree Virge drivers are still under development. If this is > only going to be a server sitting at the console most of the time, Just > about anything will work well. Could you provide more details please, what wrong with Virge/VX driver now? What Xfree86 version you mean? -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.ru/~ache/ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 26 10:48:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA25053 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:48:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com (root@usr06.primenet.com [206.165.5.106]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25033; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:47:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from primenet.com (root@mailhost01.primenet.com [206.165.5.52]) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16869; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:45:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from conceptual.com (consys.com [207.218.17.187]) by primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03159; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:45:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from conceptual.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by conceptual.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA02550; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:45:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199702261845.LAA02550@conceptual.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: Vincent Poy , Tom Samplonius , "Vnotchenko S.S." , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 26 Feb 1997 08:13:12 PST." <199702261613.IAA03753@MindBender.serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 11:45:07 -0700 From: "Russell L. Carter" Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >> > Always use parity RAM on servers, especially if you are buying > >> >everything from scratch. > >> > EDO doesn't give you much of a improvement if your motherboard supports > >> >pipeline-burst-cache. > > >> My guess is that it doesn't, since the cache is built into the CPU... > >> :-) > > > Actually, from what Rodney Grimes had told me, the cache built > >into the CPU is the L1 (Level 1) cache while the L2 cache is the cache on > >the motherboard, with Pipeline Burst Caching, it will give like the same > > Nope, you are completely wrong. Go read the specs for yourself > sometime. You can find them at http://www.intel.com/. Look guys, the only chip that has PB-SRAM is P5, and for *that* chip the original comment is correct. And Rodney is correct. And Michael is correct, for P6. Sheesh! Anyway, I don't think EDO gives you much for P6 either, and all the ASUS motherboards I've seen in the last 6 months for P5 and P6 support ECC if you have parity RAM, which is a big win for a server if it works. Later, Russell From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 26 10:50:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA25377 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:50:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25317; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:49:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02500; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:49:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 10:49:19 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= cc: "Vnotchenko S.S." , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by freefall.freebsd.org id KAA25342 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, [KOI8-R] áÎÄÒÅÊ þÅÒÎÏ× wrote: > On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Eric J. Schwertfeger wrote: > > > Video depends on what you want to use the computer for. If it's an X > > workstation, look for one of the good accellerated chipsets. Stay away > > from the S3 Virge chipset if you want to use truecolor (for java, etc), > > because the XFree Virge drivers are still under development. If this is > > only going to be a server sitting at the console most of the time, Just > > about anything will work well. > > Could you provide more details please, what wrong with Virge/VX driver > now? What Xfree86 version you mean? The latest alpha driver (XF32A) available to non-betatesters from XFree. XF32 won't do truecolor with either Virge chipset, and has a few quirks that I haven't noticed, and only know about because they're mentioned in the XF32A release notes. Also, it sounds like the Virge driver works better with the Virge than with the Virge/VX.. XF32A will do packed (24 bit) truecolor on the Virge, but not the Virge/VX, and some problems are reported with certain applications. I haven't installed XF32A yet, though I want to to get truecolor (for Java development), but supposedly Netscape has problems with the truecolor mode of the Virge driver in XF32A. Most of this info is all available in the readmes and other documentation on www.xfree86.org, Though I don't know if the XF32A readmes are available on their web server. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Feb 26 13:32:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA04629 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:32:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns.pinpt.com (dns.pinpt.com [205.179.195.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA04622 for ; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:32:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover4 (gatemaster.pinpt.com [205.179.195.65]) by dns.pinpt.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA26746; Wed, 26 Feb 1997 13:28:57 -0800 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 13:24:27 Pacific Standard Time From: "Sean J. Schluntz" Subject: Re: Virtual WWW with Apache To: isp@freebsd.org, xiyuan qian Cc: xiyuan@haplink.co.cn X-Mailer: Chameleon ATX 6.0, Standards Based IntraNet Solutions, NetManage Inc. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199702251349.NAA29028@npc.haplink.co.cn> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, I have setup a virtual WWW server with apache1.1.1, say: www.huaming.com. > Must I first register the domain: huaming.com to make it work? How can I > register it? If there is no need to register the virtual domain first, how can > others find it? You do need to register it at: http://rs.internic.net/cgi-bin/iits/domain It's $100us for the first year and $50 for every year after that. Since you are in the domain *.cn I don't know who would be local for you, I don't know if you can just to the .com either or if you will have to go com.cn. But Internic could point you in the right direction. -Sean ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Sean J. Schluntz Manager, Support Services ph. 408.997.6900 x222 PinPoint Software Corporation fx. 408.323.2300 6155 Almaden Expressway, Suite 100 San Jose, CA. 95120 http://www.pinpt.com/ Local Time Sent: 02/26/97 13:24:27 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 27 03:58:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA20941 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 03:58:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from helpdesk.euronet.nl (helpdesk.euronet.nl [194.134.1.147]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA20919; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 03:58:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sake@localhost) by helpdesk.euronet.nl (8.8.4/8.6.12) id MAA20644; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:54:43 +0100 (MET) From: Sake Blok Message-Id: <199702271154.MAA20644@helpdesk.euronet.nl> Subject: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD To: lada@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at (Hr.Ladavac) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:54:43 +0100 (MET) Cc: lada@ws2313.gud.siemens.co.at, terry@lambert.org, lada@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at, vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM, michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, tom@sdf.com, sergey@extech.msk.su, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: sake@euronet.nl In-Reply-To: <199702261730.AA177658232@ws2301.gud.siemens.co.at> from "Hr.Ladavac" at Feb 26, 97 06:30:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [...] > > > What a neat idea. Then if you want a larger L2, I can make you > > > buy a whole new processor. > > > > And charge you double: after all, you're getting twice as many > > transistors in the cache... > > My brain fart: you should consider it a bargain, since you're getting > at least *four* time as many transistors (the cache is static, idiot :) Boy, this brings back elementary school exercises... For dynamic Ram you need one transistor per bit so if you have X bits of Ram and you want to double that, you need 2 * X transistors. --> Result: Doubling Ram costs (2 * X) / X = 2 times as much transistors (and some more for the matrices but that amount is neglicable) For static Ram you need two transistors per bit so if you have X bits of Ram and you want to double that, you need 2 * (2 * X) transistors. --> Result: Doubling Ram costs (2 * (2 * X)) / (2 * X) = 2 times as much transistors. (and some more for the matrices but that amount is neglicable) :-) Sake -- +------------------- There is a purpose to time: --------------------+ | Sake Blok (sake@euronet.nl) EuroNet Internet BV | | http://www.euronet.nl/~sake Herengracht 208-214 | | phone: +31 (0)20 625 6161 1016 BS Amsterdam | | fax : +31 (0)20 625 7435 The Netherlands | +---------- It prevents everything from happening at once.-----------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 27 09:31:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA08488 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:31:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.extech.msk.su (ns.extech.msk.su [193.124.244.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA08479; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 09:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from Shine.extech.msk.su (shine.extech.msk.su [193.124.244.35]) by ns.extech.msk.su (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA20701; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 20:33:30 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <199702271733.UAA20701@ns.extech.msk.su> From: "Vnotchenko S.S." To: , Subject: Re: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 20:33:28 +0300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! Great thanks to everybody, who takes part in the discussion! I've made attempt to summarize answers and choosen following configuration for ours main host: --- CPU: PPRO 200Mhz, 256K cache MB: ASUSTEK P65UP5 RAM: 64 Mb EDO RAM SCSI HA: Adaptec 2940UW SCSI HDD: 4x2GB Seagate barracuda SCSI CD-ROM: 8x NEC SCSI Ethernet: 3c595 --- Best regards, Sergey (sergey@extech.msk.su). From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 27 11:13:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13858 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:13:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from xs1.simplex.nl (xs1.simplex.NL [193.78.46.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13853 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 11:13:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by xs1.simplex.nl (8.7.6/8.7.3-RS) id UAA00767; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 20:10:55 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 20:10:55 +0100 (MET) From: Rob Simons Message-Id: <199702271910.UAA00767@xs1.simplex.nl> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Exchange Server getting email Cc: rob@xs1.simplex.nl Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Some of my customers want to receive email with their MS Exchange server. They're running the IMC (Internet Mail connector) to receive and send mail. Sending mail is no problem, the machine will just make a connection when needed (though they wonder if it's possible to queue the mail till a certain time). Receiving mail is another matter. There's no built-in support for contacting a provider and getting email. I've heard that the easiest way is to schedule a mail messages to be sent on fixed times to a special account on the provider's box, and that should trigger the sending of queued mail for that domain. I've got FreeBSD boxes running 2.1.x, and was wondering what to do to set up such a mail-account as a generic solution for MS Exchange customers. If there's a better way to fix this, please let me know as well. Regards, - Rob. /*--------------------------------------------------------------*\ /* Rob Simons | rob@simplex.nl *\ /* ------------ | ------------- | -------- | ------- *\ /* Novell Netware System Operator | UNIX system operator *\ /*--------------------------------------------------------------*\ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 27 12:26:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA16864 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:26:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from cscfx.sytex.com (rwc@cscfx.sytex.com [205.147.190.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA16857 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:26:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rwc@localhost) by cscfx.sytex.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA04889; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:27:41 -0500 From: Richard Cramer Message-Id: <199702272027.PAA04889@cscfx.sytex.com> Subject: Re: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD To: sergey@extech.msk.su (Vnotchenko S.S.) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:27:41 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Reply-To: rcramer@sytex.net In-Reply-To: <199702271733.UAA20701@ns.extech.msk.su> from "Vnotchenko S.S." at Feb 27, 97 08:33:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi! > Great thanks to everybody, who takes part in the discussion! I've made > attempt to summarize > answers and choosen following configuration for ours main host: > --- > CPU: PPRO 200Mhz, 256K cache > MB: ASUSTEK P65UP5 > RAM: 64 Mb EDO RAM It seems you might have missed the jist of what the more experienced ISPs have been trying to say: USE parity ram! You will not regret it and the price difference is really insignificant as a percentage of the system as a whole. Good luck, Dick > SCSI HA: Adaptec 2940UW > SCSI HDD: 4x2GB Seagate barracuda > SCSI CD-ROM: 8x NEC SCSI > Ethernet: 3c595 > --- > > Best regards, Sergey (sergey@extech.msk.su). > -- Richard Cramer rcramer@sytex.net Phone: 703-425-2515 President Fax: 703-425-4585 SytexNet(tm) Sytex Access Ltd. POB 2385, Fairfax, VA 22031-0385 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 27 12:46:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA17701 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:46:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from luke.cpl.net ([206.85.245.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17696 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA10997; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:46:58 GMT Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 12:46:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Shawn Ramsey X-Sender: shawn@luke.cpl.net To: rcramer@sytex.net cc: "Vnotchenko S.S." , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199702272027.PAA04889@cscfx.sytex.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Great thanks to everybody, who takes part in the discussion! I've made > > attempt to summarize > > answers and choosen following configuration for ours main host: > > --- > > CPU: PPRO 200Mhz, 256K cache > > MB: ASUSTEK P65UP5 > > RAM: 64 Mb EDO RAM > > It seems you might have missed the jist of what the more > experienced ISPs have been trying to say: USE parity > ram! You will not regret it and the price difference You can get Parity EDO DRAM. Its not very common, but you can get it.. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 27 13:30:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA19585 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:30:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (root@buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA19580 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:30:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net (mmdf@buffnet1.buffnet.net [205.246.19.10]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA12939; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 16:24:37 -0500 Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net by buffnet1.buffnet.net id aa14230; 27 Feb 97 16:30 EST Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 16:30:31 -0500 (EST) From: Steve To: Rob Simons cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Exchange Server getting email In-Reply-To: <199702271910.UAA00767@xs1.simplex.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What I do is tell people to get a UUCP gateway program (I usually recommend spinmail because nobody ever calls me for help when they use it - http://www.spinmail.com - i think there is another one called tenfour but Im not sure the URL). This way they poll x number of times an hour or day and drop of and grab their mail via phone lines. On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Rob Simons wrote: > > Hi, > > Some of my customers want to receive email with their MS Exchange server. > They're running the IMC (Internet Mail connector) to receive and send > mail. Sending mail is no problem, the machine will just make a connection > when needed (though they wonder if it's possible to queue the mail till > a certain time). Receiving mail is another matter. There's no built-in > support for contacting a provider and getting email. > I've heard that the easiest way is to schedule a mail messages to be > sent on fixed times to a special account on the provider's box, and that > should trigger the sending of queued mail for that domain. > > I've got FreeBSD boxes running 2.1.x, and was wondering what to do to set > up such a mail-account as a generic solution for MS Exchange customers. > If there's a better way to fix this, please let me know as well. > > Regards, > > - Rob. > > /*--------------------------------------------------------------*\ > /* Rob Simons | rob@simplex.nl *\ > /* ------------ | ------------- | -------- | ------- *\ > /* Novell Netware System Operator | UNIX system operator *\ > /*--------------------------------------------------------------*\ > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 27 13:43:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA20170 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:43:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20164 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 13:43:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from swoosh.dunn.org (swoosh.dunn.org [206.158.7.243]) by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA00807; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 16:43:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 16:38:15 -0500 (EST) From: Bradley Dunn To: Rob Simons cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Exchange Server getting email In-Reply-To: <199702271910.UAA00767@xs1.simplex.nl> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: bradley@harborcom.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Rob Simons wrote: > I've got FreeBSD boxes running 2.1.x, and was wondering what to do to set > up such a mail-account as a generic solution for MS Exchange customers. > If there's a better way to fix this, please let me know as well. I believe there is somewhere in the Exchange setup where you can specify a command to execute upon establishing a connection. What needs to be in there is: Telnet to port 25 of your mail server and send ETRN domain.name where domain.name is the domain name of the Exchange customer. pbd From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 27 14:54:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA22815 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:54:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22807 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:54:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA16852; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:49:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <33160EFF.794BDF32@whistle.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 14:47:27 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve CC: Rob Simons , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Exchange Server getting email References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Steve wrote: > > What I do is tell people to get a UUCP gateway program (I usually > recommend spinmail because nobody ever calls me for help when they use it > - http://www.spinmail.com - i think there is another one called tenfour > but Im not sure the URL). > > This way they poll x number of times an hour or day and drop of and grab > their mail via phone lines. > > On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Rob Simons wrote: > > > nah just tell them to ditch the NT, and get a FreeBSD Interjet :) does it all automatically.. The following schemes exist to my knowledge: mail to special 'target' address "" finger "my-domain@mailserver" ETRN on modern sendmail. UUCP POP3/IMAP with redistribution. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 27 20:36:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA14281 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 20:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from rif.kconline.com (rif.kconline.com [207.51.167.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14273 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 20:36:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jriffle@localhost) by rif.kconline.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA06118; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:37:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:37:21 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Riffle X-Sender: jriffle@rif.kconline.com To: Rob Simons cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Exchange Server getting email In-Reply-To: <199702271910.UAA00767@xs1.simplex.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Rob Simons wrote: > Some of my customers want to receive email with their MS Exchange server. > They're running the IMC (Internet Mail connector) to receive and send > mail. Sending mail is no problem, the machine will just make a connection > when needed (though they wonder if it's possible to queue the mail till > a certain time). Receiving mail is another matter. There's no built-in > support for contacting a provider and getting email. > I've heard that the easiest way is to schedule a mail messages to be > sent on fixed times to a special account on the provider's box, and that > should trigger the sending of queued mail for that domain. I have a user using MS Exchange for which we store their mail. Somewhere in the Exchange configuration you can have it issue a command upon a successful connection. Have them do a "rsh your_box.com /usr/sbin/sendmail -qRtheir_domain.com" You have to set them up with a static IP, and set up a mailertable to route mail for their domain to their static IP. Basically, the mail will then come in, and stay in your mail queue until it is delivered. Jim From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Feb 27 23:44:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA25995 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:44:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA25989 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:44:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA08234 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:14:03 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA12198 for ; Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:39:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:39:20 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Exchange Server getting email In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Bradley Dunn wrote: > I believe there is somewhere in the Exchange setup where you can specify a > command to execute upon establishing a connection. What needs to be in > there is: > Telnet to port 25 of your mail server and send ETRN domain.name > where domain.name is the domain name of the Exchange customer. The program to do this is called dequeue Try an Altavista search on dequeue and ETRN Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 00:27:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA27819 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:27:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from piezo.terra.fr (piezo.terra.fr [194.150.7.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA27804 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:27:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from phil@localhost) by piezo.terra.fr (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA15272 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:24:45 +0100 (MET) From: Philippe Mackowiak Message-Id: <199702280824.JAA15272@piezo.terra.fr> Subject: Re: Exchange Server getting email To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:24:45 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: from "Michael Dillon" at Feb 27, 97 11:39:20 pm Organization: Terra Proxyma - France. X-Subliminal-Message: Hiroshima '45 Tchernobyl '86 Windows '95 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Selon Michael Dillon: > > On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Bradley Dunn wrote: > > > I believe there is somewhere in the Exchange setup where you can specify a > > command to execute upon establishing a connection. What needs to be in > > there is: > > Telnet to port 25 of your mail server and send ETRN domain.name > > where domain.name is the domain name of the Exchange customer. > > The program to do this is called dequeue > Try an Altavista search on dequeue and ETRN > Have no luck finding this utility. Do you know a more precise location ?. Phil. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 02:49:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA20207 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA20185 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:49:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA22791 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:47:28 GMT Message-ID: <3316B7C0.2781E494@cablenet.net> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:47:28 +0000 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Exchange Server getting email References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jim Riffle wrote: > > I have a user using MS Exchange for which we store their mail. Somewhere > in the Exchange configuration you can have it issue a command upon a > successful connection. Have them do a > "rsh your_box.com /usr/sbin/sendmail -qRtheir_domain.com" So the MS Exchange server is an SMTP server ? regards damian -- * PIAB - PoP In A Box - the total solution for ISPs, with more features * than a Constable landscape, and freely avaliable too!! * http://www.cablenet.net/cablenet/popinabox/ * Damian Hamill damian@cablenet.net From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 04:27:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA24155 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 04:27:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from destiny.waverider.co.uk (destiny.waverider.co.uk [194.207.28.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA24150 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 04:27:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from zephania.waverider.net.uk (zephania.waverider.net.uk [194.207.28.99]) by destiny.waverider.co.uk (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA19235 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:23:46 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970228122240.007dbc00@waverider.net.uk> X-Sender: andyc@waverider.net.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 12:22:40 +0000 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Andy Cowan Subject: Re: Exchange Server getting email Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:47 28/02/97 +0000, you wrote: >Jim Riffle wrote: >> > >> I have a user using MS Exchange for which we store their mail. Somewhere >> in the Exchange configuration you can have it issue a command upon a >> successful connection. Have them do a >> "rsh your_box.com /usr/sbin/sendmail -qRtheir_domain.com" > >So the MS Exchange server is an SMTP server ? > Only in the sense that it can accept and send SMTP mail - meaning that it is basically an MS Mail server with an optional SMTP gateway bolted on. We're finding more and more people asking for SMTP feeds to Exchange Server now, whatever we advise them ;-) Seems to cause us few problems though. Andy Andy Cowan Tel: 01564 795888 Technical Director Fax: 01564 795177 Wave Rider Internet plc http://www.waverider.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 04:31:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA24391 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 04:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from destiny.waverider.co.uk (destiny.waverider.co.uk [194.207.28.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA24386 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 04:31:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from zephania.waverider.net.uk (zephania.waverider.net.uk [194.207.28.99]) by destiny.waverider.co.uk (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA19243; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:27:01 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970228122554.007f9100@waverider.net.uk> X-Sender: andyc@waverider.net.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 12:25:55 +0000 To: Rob Simons , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Andy Cowan Subject: Re: Exchange Server getting email Cc: rob@xs1.simplex.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 20:10 27/02/97 +0100, Rob Simons wrote: > >Hi, > >Some of my customers want to receive email with their MS Exchange server. >They're running the IMC (Internet Mail connector) to receive and send >mail. Sending mail is no problem, the machine will just make a connection >when needed (though they wonder if it's possible to queue the mail till >a certain time). Receiving mail is another matter. There's no built-in >support for contacting a provider and getting email. >I've heard that the easiest way is to schedule a mail messages to be >sent on fixed times to a special account on the provider's box, and that >should trigger the sending of queued mail for that domain. > >I've got FreeBSD boxes running 2.1.x, and was wondering what to do to set >up such a mail-account as a generic solution for MS Exchange customers. >If there's a better way to fix this, please let me know as well. > What terminal servers are you using? We use the annex, and it's relatively easy to hack the server code to cause it to run a job when particular users log in - I would have thought (although I have no experience of it) that you could get Radius to do something similar. We just run a sendmail -qRfoo.com when exchange users dial in. Andy Andy Cowan Tel: 01564 795888 Technical Director Fax: 01564 795177 Wave Rider Internet plc http://www.waverider.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 04:50:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA25082 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 04:50:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.extech.msk.su (ns.extech.msk.su [193.124.244.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA25074 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 04:50:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from Shine.extech.msk.su (shine.extech.msk.su [193.124.244.35]) by ns.extech.msk.su (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA27326; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 15:50:31 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <199702281250.PAA27326@ns.extech.msk.su> From: "Vnotchenko S.S." To: "Shawn Ramsey" , Cc: Subject: Re: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 15:50:27 +0300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: Shawn Ramsey > To: rcramer@sytex.net > Cc: Vnotchenko S.S. ; freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD > > > > RAM: 64 Mb EDO RAM > > > > It seems you might have missed the jist of what the more > > experienced ISPs have been trying to say: USE parity > > ram! You will not regret it and the price difference > > You can get Parity EDO DRAM. Its not very common, but you can get it.. > No, I just doesn't found EDO DRAM with parity in price lists, so... forget about it:( I'll ask for EDO with parity but will not require it... Thanks, Sergey. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 06:08:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA27348 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 06:08:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from bear.beyond2000.co.uk (bear.beyond2000.co.uk [194.217.248.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA27343 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 06:08:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from bear.beyond2000.co.uk (bear.beyond2000.co.uk [194.217.248.11]) by bear.beyond2000.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA01156 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:14:04 GMT Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:14:04 +0000 () From: Bernard Jauregui To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: hypermail 1.02 core dump Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone managed to run hypermail 1.02 under FreeBSD 2.1.6. It compiles without a single error, but core dumps on a segmentation fault when used to append messages or create an archive. Favoured syntax is : cat /tmp/testmail | ./hypermail -i -u -d "./firewalls.archive" This is our last ISP application still running under SunOS... Cheers BJ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 06:36:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA28564 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 06:36:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net (sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net [154.32.106.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA28556 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 06:36:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (uucp1.mail.uk.psi.net [154.32.105.26]) by sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/) with ESMTP id OAA17131 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:36:23 GMT Received: from nadt.org.uk by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id OAA10879; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:27:28 GMT Received: from infodev.nadt.org.uk (infodev.nadt.org.uk [194.155.224.205]) by charlie.nadt.org.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA03053; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:57:23 GMT Posted-Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:57:23 GMT X-Website: http://www.innotts.co.uk/~nadt Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970228135718.0069f1ac@wrcmail> X-Sender: robmel@wrcmail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:57:18 +0000 To: Steve , Rob Simons From: Robin Melville Subject: Re: Exchange Server getting email Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Rob Simons wrote: >> Some of my customers want to receive email with their MS Exchange server. At 16:30 27/02/97 -0500, Steve wrote: > >What I do is tell people to get a UUCP gateway program (I usually >recommend spinmail because nobody ever calls me for help when they use it >- http://www.spinmail.com - i think there is another one called tenfour >but Im not sure the URL). This gets my vote too. UUCP is so much more efficient for routine batched mail collection. -------------------------------------------------------- Robin Melville, Addiction & Forensic Information Service Nottingham Alcohol & Drug Team (Extn. 49178) Vox: +44 (0)115 952 9478 Fax: +44 (0)115 952 9421 Email: robmel@nadt.org.uk WWW: http://www.innotts.co.uk/nadt/ --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 06:57:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA29449 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 06:57:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (root@ns.mexcom.net [206.103.64.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA29444 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 06:57:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunix (eculp@sunix.mexcom.net [206.103.64.3]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA06392; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:57:01 -0600 Message-ID: <3316F251.5BB719C2@mexcom.net> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:57:21 -0600 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philippe Mackowiak CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Exchange Server getting email References: <199702280824.JAA15272@piezo.terra.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Philippe Mackowiak wrote: > > Selon Michael Dillon: > > > > On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Bradley Dunn wrote: > > > > > I believe there is somewhere in the Exchange setup where you can specify a > > > command to execute upon establishing a connection. What needs to be in > > > there is: > > > Telnet to port 25 of your mail server and send ETRN domain.name > > > where domain.name is the domain name of the Exchange customer. > > > > The program to do this is called dequeue > > Try an Altavista search on dequeue and ETRN > > > > Have no luck finding this utility. > Do you know a more precise location ?. > > Phil. I just found this site, although I haven't had time to read it. http://www.swinc.com/exch_dq.htm Ed From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 07:23:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA00715 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 07:23:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from destiny.waverider.co.uk (destiny.waverider.co.uk [194.207.28.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA00706 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 07:23:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from zephania.waverider.net.uk (zephania.waverider.net.uk [194.207.28.99]) by destiny.waverider.co.uk (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id OAA19686 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:20:38 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970228151933.007ada10@waverider.net.uk> X-Sender: andyc@waverider.net.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 15:19:33 +0000 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Andy Cowan Subject: Re: Exchange Server getting email Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 13:57 28/02/97 +0000, you wrote: >On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Rob Simons wrote: >>What I do is tell people to get a UUCP gateway program (I usually > >This gets my vote too. UUCP is so much more efficient for routine batched >mail collection. In what way - I'm not disagreeing - just curious. Andy Andy Cowan Tel: 01564 795888 Technical Director Fax: 01564 795177 Wave Rider Internet plc http://www.waverider.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 07:49:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA02146 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 07:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from pinky.junction.net (pinky.junction.net [199.166.227.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA02141 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 07:49:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from sidhe.memra.com (sidhe.memra.com [199.166.227.105]) by pinky.junction.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA15103 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:19:37 -0800 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by sidhe.memra.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA15904 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 07:44:54 -0800 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 07:44:53 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Dillon To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Exchange Server getting email In-Reply-To: <199702280824.JAA15272@piezo.terra.fr> Message-ID: Organization: Memra Software Inc. - Internet consulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Philippe Mackowiak wrote: > > The program to do this is called dequeue > > Try an Altavista search on dequeue and ETRN > Have no luck finding this utility. > Do you know a more precise location ?. I should have said to search USENET at Altavista... It is all documented here http://www.swinc.com/exch_dq.htm Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Software Inc. - Fax: +1-250-546-3049 http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael@memra.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 10:06:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08777 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:06:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from Zero-Cool.Hades.Org (dialup-1-3.net.ic.ac.uk [155.198.8.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08720 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:05:09 -0800 (PST) From: scot@poptart.org Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by Zero-Cool.Hades.Org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01399; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 17:49:07 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: Zero-Cool.Hades.Org: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 17:49:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Sender: scot@Zero-Cool.Hades.Org To: Scot Elliott cc: FreeBSD ISP list Subject: ISP test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 10:24:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA09638 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:24:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com ([209.25.4.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09633 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA12541; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:05:25 GMT Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:05:24 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: Andy Cowan cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Exchange Server getting email In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19970228151933.007ada10@waverider.net.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Andy Cowan wrote: > At 13:57 28/02/97 +0000, you wrote: > >This gets my vote too. UUCP is so much more efficient for routine batched > >mail collection. > > In what way - I'm not disagreeing - just curious. SMTP is designed for directly connected hosts. Sure, it has support for queueing, but it's only there to cover the infrequent cases when the destination host is down. In the case of dialup users we are looking at hosts with typical "uptimes" measured in minutes rather than months so the design is stretched a bit :) UUCP on the other hand was designed for batch transfers to hosts that connect at their whim. It wastes far fewer cycles checking to see if a host is available and it doesn't require any kludges (kicking off sendmail -qR) to deliver when the host does answer. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 11:03:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA11643 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:03:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net (sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net [154.32.106.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11635 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:02:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (uucp1.mail.uk.psi.net [154.32.105.26]) by sys3.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/) with ESMTP id TAA14629 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 19:02:54 GMT Received: from nadt.org.uk by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.7.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id SAA14578; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:35:28 GMT Received: from infodev.nadt.org.uk (infodev.nadt.org.uk [194.155.224.205]) by charlie.nadt.org.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA04537; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 17:43:54 GMT Posted-Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 17:43:54 GMT X-Website: http://www.innotts.co.uk/~nadt Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970228174340.006c6a00@wrcmail> X-Sender: robmel@wrcmail X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 17:43:40 +0000 To: Andy Cowan From: Robin Melville Subject: Re: Exchange Server getting email Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >At 13:57 28/02/97 +0000, you wrote: >>On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Rob Simons wrote: >>>What I do is tell people to get a UUCP gateway program (I usually >> >>This gets my vote too. UUCP is so much more efficient for routine batched >>mail collection. > At 15:18 28/02/97 +0000, Andy Cowan wrote: >In what way - I'm not disagreeing - just curious. Routine dial-up mail transfer works well via uucp because it: * only holds the line open for the duration of the transaction (our average is around 5 mins per weekday @ 28kb/s nominal); * is a batch transfer protocol, so overheads are low; * has been around for ever so is robust; * integrates (fairly) easily with most MTAs; * doesn't use TCP/IP and so is infinitely more secure; * can coexist with autoppp [if we were allowed to which we're not ;)]. The only downside is latency, because mail only gets exchanged when you poll (hourly or whatever). If we had a full time Internet connection, I'd use SMTP, no question. But since we don't, I've served our entire mail domain with uucp at low cost for around 18 months with nary a glitch. Rob. -------------------------------------------------------- Robin Melville, Addiction & Forensic Information Service Nottingham Alcohol & Drug Team (Extn. 49178) Vox: +44 (0)115 952 9478 Fax: +44 (0)115 952 9421 Email: robmel@nadt.org.uk WWW: http://www.innotts.co.uk/nadt/ --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 11:25:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13179 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:25:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mojo.calyx.net (email@mojo.calyx.net [208.132.136.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13173 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:25:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from email@localhost) by mojo.calyx.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA15573 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:25:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:25:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702281925.OAA15573@mojo.calyx.net> Received: from kwesi.calyx.net(208.132.136.100) by mojo.calyx.net via smap (V1.3) id sma015559; Fri Feb 28 14:24:55 1997 X-Sender: nick@calyx.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Nick Merrill Subject: how to make sure unattatched processes die when a user logs out Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was wondering how most people handle this.. like if people try to run screen and leave 10 irc sessions running when they're not even logged in. Nick --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicholas Merrill 24 Hour pager: 212-381-0500 Voice: 212-292-7325 President / CEO http://www.calyx.net Fax : 212-292-7313 Calyx Internet Access 271 E. 10th St. #100 NYC 10009 Email: nick@calyx.net --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 11:37:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA13828 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:37:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13823 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:37:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id LAA07336; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:36:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17119; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:36:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199702281936.LAA17119@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Damian Hamill cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Exchange Server getting email In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 28 Feb 97 10:47:28 +0000. <3316B7C0.2781E494@cablenet.net> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:36:42 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Damian Hamill wrote: >Jim Riffle wrote: >> I have a user using MS Exchange for which we store their mail. Somewhere >> in the Exchange configuration you can have it issue a command upon a >> successful connection. Have them do a >> "rsh your_box.com /usr/sbin/sendmail -qRtheir_domain.com" >So the MS Exchange server is an SMTP server ? Yes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 11:45:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14447 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:45:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14439 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:45:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id LAA07751; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:45:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17144; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:45:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199702281945.LAA17144@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Andy Cowan cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Exchange Server getting email In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 28 Feb 97 12:22:40 +0000. <3.0.32.19970228122240.007dbc00@waverider.net.uk> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:45:06 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andy Cowan wrote: >At 10:47 28/02/97 +0000, you wrote: >>Jim Riffle wrote: >>> I have a user using MS Exchange for which we store their mail. Somewhere >>> in the Exchange configuration you can have it issue a command upon a >>> successful connection. Have them do a >>> "rsh your_box.com /usr/sbin/sendmail -qRtheir_domain.com" >>So the MS Exchange server is an SMTP server ? >Only in the sense that it can accept and send SMTP mail - meaning that it >is basically an MS Mail server with an optional SMTP gateway bolted on. >We're finding more and more people asking for SMTP feeds to Exchange Server >now, whatever we advise them ;-) Not quite. The Exchange Internet Mail Connector does not have a byte of MS Mail code in it. Exchange core has little or no MS Mail code in it. It is a completely new-generation messaging platform. It is not an incremental improvement of the MS Mail code base. And, the Internet Mail Connector is not "bolted on" to Exchange. It is a well-integrated gateway using the Exchange gateway interfaces. Finally, yes, it is a fully RFC compliant SMTP server (or gateway, if you like, in Exchange 4.0 -- in Exchange 5.0 it is fully integrated into the Exchange core, except for things like replication and routing). It has additional code to handle queuing, and periodic dial-up, gracefully, among other things. The problem with dial-up is not so much SMTP. Although SMTP has no real explicit support for periodic connections, it also does not have explicit limitations. The primary problem is that most SMTP software was not written to give periodic connections very thorough support. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 13:42:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA19677 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:42:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsd1.nyct.net (myj@bsd1.nyct.net [204.141.86.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19668 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:42:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (myj@localhost) by bsd1.nyct.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA00326; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:42:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:42:44 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Sandys To: Nick Merrill cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to make sure unattatched processes die when a user logs out In-Reply-To: <199702281925.OAA15573@mojo.calyx.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Nick Merrill wrote: > > I was wondering how most people handle this.. like if people try to run screen > and leave 10 irc sessions running when they're not even logged in. I changed the screen source code to not allow detaching of the session (CTRL+A d). > > > Nick > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nicholas Merrill 24 Hour pager: 212-381-0500 Voice: 212-292-7325 > President / CEO http://www.calyx.net Fax : 212-292-7313 > Calyx Internet Access 271 E. 10th St. #100 NYC 10009 Email: nick@calyx.net > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > <-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-> < myj@nyct.net Paul Sandys | New York Connect http://www.nyct.net > < network operations manager | Total Solution provider > <-------------------------------------------------------------------------> < " BRINGING NEW YORK THE INTERNET SERVICES IT DESERVES " > <-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-> From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 14:48:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA22802 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from starbase.globalpc.net ([207.211.100.102]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA22793 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:48:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from agonzalez@localhost) by starbase.globalpc.net (8.8.3/8.8.3) id QAA15197; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:53:38 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:53:38 -0600 (CST) From: Adrian Gonzalez To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: DNS question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there I have a question about reverse DNS: I need to set up 2 different domain in the same class C network, but in different subnets... for example (these are not the real addresses, of course) 128.1.2.0 to 128.1.2.31 - first subnet 128.1.2.32 to 128.1.2.63 - second subnet I want the first subnet to be foo.com and the second to be bar.org so my named.boot file would look like (loopback & cache stuff was suppressed): primary foo.com foo.db primary bar.org bar.db What would the reverse entries look like? primary 2.1.128.in-addr.arpa foo.rev (??) Can I have one reverse file for each? or does it have to be one for both? I would prefer to have one file for each, or I would be forced to provide primary reverse dns for both of these customers, instead of allowing each of them to run their own primary dns (and us providing secondary dns for them). Thanks in advance -Adrian From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 15:10:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA24246 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 15:10:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from dogbert.efn.org (root@dogbert.efn.org [204.214.99.44]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA24239 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 15:10:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from dogbert.efn.org (abs@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogbert.efn.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23745; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 15:08:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199702282308.PAA23745@dogbert.efn.org> To: Nick Merrill cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to make sure unattatched processes die when a user logs out In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:25:06 EST." <199702281925.OAA15573@mojo.calyx.net> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 15:08:51 -0800 From: Andy Schenck Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nick Merrill writes: nick> I was wondering how most people handle this.. like if people nick> try to run screen and leave 10 irc sessions running when they're nick> not even logged in. We send them a nastygram if it looks intentional (screen, irc bots, etc.) That usually puts an end to it. Andy From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 15:59:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA26937 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 15:59:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from obiwan.aceonline.com.au (obiwan.aceonline.com.au [203.103.90.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26932 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 15:59:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (adrian@localhost) by obiwan.aceonline.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01616; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 14:02:15 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 14:02:14 +0800 (WST) From: Adrian Chadd To: Paul Sandys cc: Nick Merrill , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to make sure unattatched processes die when a user logs out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Nick Merrill wrote: > > > > > I was wondering how most people handle this.. like if people try to run screen > > and leave 10 irc sessions running when they're not even logged in. > > I changed the screen source code to not allow detaching of > the session (CTRL+A d). > If you just kill your shell, it detatches the screen for you. Adrian. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 16:56:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA01032 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (cedb.DPCSYS.com [209.25.4.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01027 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:56:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id AAA17576; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 00:37:17 GMT Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 16:37:17 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: Adrian Gonzalez cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DNS question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Adrian Gonzalez wrote: > I need to set up 2 different domain in the same class C network, but in > different subnets... for example (these are not the real addresses, of > course) > > 128.1.2.0 to 128.1.2.31 - first subnet > 128.1.2.32 to 128.1.2.63 - second subnet > [ ...] > > What would the reverse entries look like? > > primary 2.1.128.in-addr.arpa foo.rev (??) primary 2.1.128.in-addr.arpa db.128.1.2 Using my preferred naming, the zone is for the address space, not the domain. In the reverse files you need to have an entry for the name servers you are delegating subnet space to like: 0 IN NS ns.foo.com. 32 IN NS ns.bar.com. These are *not* the addresses of the name servers, this says that the 0 subnet has name server ns.foo.com and the 32 subnet has name server ns.bar.com. Now comes the fun part. For *every* delegated IP address you need entries like this: 1 CNAME 1.0.2.1.128.in-addr.arpa. 2 CNAME 2.0.2.1.128.in-addr.arpa. 3 CNAME 3.0.2.1.128.in-addr.arpa. 4 CNAME 4.0.2.1.128.in-addr.arpa. 5 CNAME 5.0.2.1.128.in-addr.arpa. 6 CNAME 6.0.2.1.128.in-addr.arpa. See how we gave them an extra octet? Actually, since these are domain names, not IP addresses, we have just added another level to the domain. So when I do a reverse lookup on 128.1.2.1 BIND does this 1) get the CNAME 1.0.2.1.128.in-addr.arpa 2) drop the left most part of the domain name and get 0.2.1.128.in-addr.arpa. 3) lookup 0.2.1.128.in-addr.arpa and get the NS entry pointing at ns.foo.com. 4) direct the query to ns.foo.com The reverse files ns.foo.com maintains look normal, ie 1 IN PTR ns.foo.com. 2 IN PTR mail.foo.com. For addresses outside of the delegated portion (64-255 here) you have normal entries. If you are reserving this C for subnets only (good idea) then the only entries you would need would be for your side of any gateways. If you get a customer who needs a subnet but can't (won't) handle reverse DNS (Macs can't) then you maintain their entries in the same file with "normal" PTR records. For a full discussion see draft-ietf-cidrd-classless-inaddr-01.txt at your favorite IETF draft repository. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Feb 28 22:07:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA13058 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 22:07:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from bullfrog.ecpnet.com (raistlin@bullfrog.ecpnet.com [204.246.64.212]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA13052 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 22:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (raistlin@localhost) by bullfrog.ecpnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id AAA03818; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 00:07:45 GMT Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 00:07:45 +0000 (GMT) From: "Justen M. Stepka" To: Nick Merrill cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to make sure unattatched processes die when a user logs out In-Reply-To: <199702281925.OAA15573@mojo.calyx.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Nick Merrill wrote: > I was wondering how most people handle this.. like if people try to run screen > and leave 10 irc sessions running when they're not even logged in. Set a limit on the number of process limit to like 3 :) From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 1 00:58:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA24541 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 00:58:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.futuresouth.com (mail.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA24535 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 00:58:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.20]) by mail.futuresouth.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA21396 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 02:57:44 -0600 (CST) From: Tim Tsai Received: (from tim@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) id CAA06295 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 02:57:43 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199703010857.CAA06295@shell.futuresouth.com> Subject: IRC and "connection refused" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 02:57:43 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We just setup an ircII client and it seems that every server we try we get a "connection refused" message. I looked through the ircII FAQ but it doesn't say anything about authentication. Any ideas? I've tried the numerical IP addresses and also telnet to the specific port and same error. Is there anything I am missing? Do I need to specifically ask each site to allow us access or is there a misconfiguration on our part? PS: We're trying to access undernet. Thanks, Tim From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 1 01:37:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA25940 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 01:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhiannon.clari.net.au (dns1.clari.net.au [203.27.85.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA25935 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 01:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by rhiannon.clari.net.au (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA07849; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 20:39:12 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 20:39:12 +1100 (EST) From: Peter Hawkins Message-Id: <199703010939.UAA07849@rhiannon.clari.net.au> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, tim@futuresouth.com Subject: Re: IRC and "connection refused" Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I write the IRC-II client that does mirc's colours under freebsd. it just compiles. ircii-mirc-colours.tar.gz or something like that. It's at ftp.undernet.org. Peter From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 1 01:47:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA26105 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 01:47:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsd1.nyct.net (myj@bsd1.nyct.net [204.141.86.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA26100 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 01:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (myj@localhost) by bsd1.nyct.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA19693; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 04:46:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 04:46:56 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Sandys To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: Nick Merrill Subject: Re: how to make sure unattatched processes die when a user logs out In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Justen M. Stepka wrote: > Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 00:07:45 +0000 (GMT) > From: "Justen M. Stepka" > To: Nick Merrill > Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: how to make sure unattatched processes die when a user logs out > > > > On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Nick Merrill wrote: > > > I was wondering how most people handle this.. like if people try to run screen > > and leave 10 irc sessions running when they're not even logged in. > > Set a limit on the number of process limit to like 3 :) That's not gonna work :) Here's what I did to the screen sources: In config.h: #undef LOGOUTOK # don't let lusers hide on your system :) In screen.c process.c and socket.c comment out nearly everything that says Detach(D_WHATEVER) I've disabled everything (except "screen -d" which is to cool to be disabled :-) ) this way 3 months ago, and nobody is leaving screen sessions on my "shell account" machine anymore. Paul <-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-> < myj@nyct.net Paul Sandys | New York Connect http://www.nyct.net > < network operations manager | Total Solution provider 212-293-2620 > <-------------------------------------------------------------------------> < " BRINGING NEW YORK THE INTERNET SERVICES IT DESERVES " > <-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-> From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 1 05:52:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA05669 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 05:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA05648; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 05:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id OAA04229; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 14:52:09 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA01155; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 14:45:08 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 14:45:07 +0100 From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) To: sergey@extech.msk.su (Vnotchenko S.S.) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: [H] Optimal computer for FreeBSD References: <199702271733.UAA20701@ns.extech.msk.su> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.55-PL10 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199702271733.UAA20701@ns.extech.msk.su>; from Vnotchenko S.S. on Feb 27, 1997 20:33:28 +0300 Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Vnotchenko S.S. wrote: > Ethernet: 3c595 Make sure you've got the latest FreeBSD for this (2.2 will do fine as well). Note that 3Com chips aren't among the best these days (by design). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 1 06:46:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA07240 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 06:46:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.telcentral.com ([207.211.70.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA07234 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 06:46:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.telcentral.com by mail.telcentral.com (NTMail 3.02.10) with ESMTP id va001165 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 08:49:16 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Mark Rollings" To: "Tim Tsai" , Subject: Re: IRC and "connection refused" Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 08:39:38 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <14491642401685@telcentral.net> Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ---------- > From: Tim Tsai > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: IRC and "connection refused" > Date: Saturday, March 01, 1997 2:57 AM > > We just setup an ircII client and it seems that every server we try we > get a "connection refused" message. I looked through the ircII FAQ but > it doesn't say anything about authentication. Any ideas? Ensure your client will respond to ident requests. Also, it must reply to the ping correctly...from memory, I believe it should be Pong $server m##### region. That may or may not be precisely correct...been awhile since I messed with it. If you can get your hands on the code for the ircd, all your questions would be answered. The most stable ircd I have seen is at ftp.beyondirc.net it should be named beyond-2.0.tar.gz If ya need more answers, email me directly, or come onto irc and look for me there. > I've tried the numerical IP addresses and also telnet to the specific > port and same error. Is there anything I am missing? Do I need to > specifically ask each site to allow us access or is there a > misconfiguration on our part? > Mark Rollings Systems Administrator TelCentral Internet www.telcentral.net IRC Admin irc.telcentral.com -=-{ Darkstar }-=- BeyondIrc Network Administrator From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 1 12:27:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA27888 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 12:27:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from tarpon.exis.net (stefan@tarpon.exis.net [205.252.72.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA27879 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 12:27:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from stefan@localhost) by tarpon.exis.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id PAA20577; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 15:34:15 -0500 Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 15:34:14 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Molnar To: Mark Rollings cc: Tim Tsai , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IRC and "connection refused" In-Reply-To: <14491642401685@telcentral.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > We just setup an ircII client and it seems that every server we try we > > get a "connection refused" message. I looked through the ircII FAQ but > > it doesn't say anything about authentication. Any ideas? > > Ensure your client will respond to ident requests. Also, it must reply to > the ping correctly...from memory, I believe it should be Pong $server > m##### region. But the FBSD box has to have the identd server running, that is not on by defualt, and hoefully you have the actualy daemon. > That may or may not be precisely correct...been awhile since I messed with > it. If you can get your hands on the code for the ircd, all your questions > would be answered. The most stable ircd I have seen is at > ftp.beyondirc.net it should be named beyond-2.0.tar.gz Stefan -------------------------------------------- Stefan Molnar Team Exis.Net stefan@exis.net Member EFF Slightly Silly Team OS/2 east-coast-ambassador@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU "She turned me into a Newt! A Newt? I got better." -Monty Python -------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 1 15:11:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03664 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 15:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mojo.calyx.net (nick@mojo.calyx.net [208.132.136.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03654 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 15:11:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (nick@localhost) by mojo.calyx.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA02870; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 18:11:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 18:11:23 -0500 (EST) From: Nick Merrill To: Tim Tsai cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IRC and "connection refused" In-Reply-To: <199703010857.CAA06295@shell.futuresouth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk probably your reverse DNS is broken.. (ie IN-ADDR.ARPA) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicholas Merrill 24 Hour pager: 212-381-0500 Voice: 212-292-7325 President / CEO http://www.calyx.net Fax : 212-292-7313 Calyx Internet Access 271 E. 10th St. #100 NYC 10009 Email: nick@calyx.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Tim Tsai wrote: > We just setup an ircII client and it seems that every server we try we > get a "connection refused" message. I looked through the ircII FAQ but > it doesn't say anything about authentication. Any ideas? > > I've tried the numerical IP addresses and also telnet to the specific > port and same error. Is there anything I am missing? Do I need to > specifically ask each site to allow us access or is there a > misconfiguration on our part? > > PS: We're trying to access undernet. > > Thanks, > > Tim > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 1 18:05:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA13480 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 18:05:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from spooky.eis.net.au (spooky.eis.net.au [203.12.171.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA13463 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 18:04:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ernie@localhost) by spooky.eis.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25141 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:04:01 +1000 (EST) From: Ernie Elu Message-Id: <199703020204.MAA25141@spooky.eis.net.au> Subject: proxy aware ftp client To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 12:04:01 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of a command line ftp client that will work with the squid proxy cache? ncftp does not, and the author says he is not about to add proxy support. -Ernie. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 1 23:35:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA27401 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 23:35:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA27379 for ; Sat, 1 Mar 1997 23:35:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA06611; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:48:11 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:48:09 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Ernie Elu cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: proxy aware ftp client In-Reply-To: <199703020204.MAA25141@spooky.eis.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, Ernie Elu wrote: > Does anyone know of a command line ftp client that will work with the squid > proxy cache? ncftp does not, and the author says he is not about to add proxy > support. Well, if you are desperate, you could probably hack fetch to do it quite easily. Danny