From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 01:36:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA13904 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 01:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spooky.eis.net.au (ernie@spooky.eis.net.au [203.12.171.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA13891 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 01:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ernie@localhost) by spooky.eis.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.3) id SAA02016 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:36:07 +1000 (EST) From: Ernie Elu Message-Id: <199709150836.SAA02016@spooky.eis.net.au> Subject: Different routes for each protocol X-ELM-OSV: (Our standard violations) no-mime=1; no-hdr-encoding=1 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:36:06 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am curious if it is at all possbile to route indiviual protocols via different default routes or interfaces. For example say I have FreeBSD box and two different Internet providers that I connected to one with a much faster link than the other eg. T1 and a 64k ISDN each off their own router or interface. The slower link offers a monthly flat rate ans the T1 charges per megabyte so I want to load up the flat rate link as much as possible. Can I route all my none time critical protocols like NNTP and SMTP via the slower ISDN link? I can statically route my NNTP as I only feed from from one news server, but I can't figure out how to do it for SMPT or any other individual protocol. One idea I had was to give each protocol it's own IP address via an alias. eg. smtp.your.domain.com aaa.bbb.ccc.001 pop.your.domain.com aaa.bbb.ccc.002 But that only takes care of inbound traffic, outbound will still go via the default route. Any suggestions? - Ernie. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 03:05:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA18793 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 03:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA18784 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 03:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA23960; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:04:48 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:04:47 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Ernie Elu cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Different routes for each protocol In-Reply-To: <199709150836.SAA02016@spooky.eis.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Ernie Elu wrote: > I am curious if it is at all possbile to route indiviual protocols via > different default routes or interfaces. Sure, but only if you control the sending routers. Since you don't control what Connect's and TIS's routers do, you need to find other ways. > For example say I have FreeBSD box and two different Internet providers > that I connected to one with a much faster link than the other eg. T1 and > a 64k ISDN each off their own router or interface. The slower link offers > a monthly flat rate ans the T1 charges per megabyte so I want to load up the T1? Don't you mean E1? > One idea I had was to give each protocol it's own IP address via an alias. > > eg. smtp.your.domain.com aaa.bbb.ccc.001 > pop.your.domain.com aaa.bbb.ccc.002 You are on the right track. Ask TIS for a new netblock, and put your slow services onto that set of network numbers. > But that only takes care of inbound traffic, outbound will still go via > the default route. What do you care if the outbound takes a different path? You don't pay for data sent to CCA or to Telstra. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 04:00:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA21454 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA21449 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA00220; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709151103.EAA00220@implode.root.com> To: Scot Elliott cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel panics when the root directory is executed In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:18:53 BST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:03:00 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I've been wondering why my maching hangs when I'm typing frantically and >I discovered why the other day... sometimes when I try to do a cd .., >the cd bit gets missed and I end up typing just .., which tries to >execute that directory. But it only does it if I've got ~/bin in my >path. If I type 'which ..' I get ~/bin/.. as the result. This also >happens if I just execute '/', ie. the root directory. The panic that >the kernel throws is: > >panic: ufs_lock : recursive lock not excepted, pid: ... I'm not able to reproduce this problem with 2.2-stable as of today or even as of about 3 weeks ago. My tests were with bash-2.01, which was the only bash-2 version I could find at the moment. >My setup is: > >FreeBSD Billy.poptart.org 2.2-STABLE FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE #0: Sat Aug 2 00:17:32 >BST 1997 scot@Billy.poptart.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/IDE i386 Could you update your system to the latest 2.2-stable and let me know if the problem still exists? -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 04:21:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA22506 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homer.duff-beer.com (mail@homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA22498 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:21:02 -0700 (PDT) From: scot@poptart.org Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by homer.duff-beer.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA10973; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:20:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:20:42 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: scot@homer.duff-beer.com To: David Greenman cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel panics when the root directory is executed In-Reply-To: <199709151103.EAA00220@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yep... that's odd. I'll try an upgrade and try again. Thanks for taking a look. Scot ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott scot@poptart.org Tel: +44 (0)181 9322042 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, David Greenman wrote: > >I've been wondering why my maching hangs when I'm typing frantically and > >I discovered why the other day... sometimes when I try to do a cd .., > >the cd bit gets missed and I end up typing just .., which tries to > >execute that directory. But it only does it if I've got ~/bin in my > >path. If I type 'which ..' I get ~/bin/.. as the result. This also > >happens if I just execute '/', ie. the root directory. The panic that > >the kernel throws is: > > > >panic: ufs_lock : recursive lock not excepted, pid: ... > > I'm not able to reproduce this problem with 2.2-stable as of today or even > as of about 3 weeks ago. My tests were with bash-2.01, which was the only > bash-2 version I could find at the moment. > > >My setup is: > > > >FreeBSD Billy.poptart.org 2.2-STABLE FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE #0: Sat Aug 2 00:17:32 > >BST 1997 scot@Billy.poptart.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/IDE i386 > > Could you update your system to the latest 2.2-stable and let me know if > the problem still exists? > > -DG > > David Greenman > Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 07:39:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA02248 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (sabre.goldsword.com [199.170.202.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA02243 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA13618; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:42:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "John T. Farmer" Message-Id: <199709151442.KAA13618@sabre.goldsword.com> To: rewt@i-Plus.net Subject: Re: Digital Modem choices Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, jfarmer@goldsword.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:54:20 -0400 "Troy Settle" said: > >This probably is off-topic, as it's not really related to FreeBSD. > >With that said, I'd like to say that we've had nothing but the best of luck >with Ascend products. We've had a 4004 since last January, and the total >downtime on it has been about 45 minutes while upgrading from analog to >digital modems. I can't speak for the 4048, but Ascend's overheating >problems seem to have gone down quite a bit since the advent of digital >modems. > >Since I've used neither, I can't comment on the Cisco or the Livingston. > >If you haven't seen it yet, http://www.k56flex.com seems to have some fairly >decent informaion on the subject. To bring it back on topic, there was recently on the list a request from a vendor (Phylon Tech. at http://www.phylon.com/) looking for help in writing & testing FreeBSD drivers for their cards. Currently they have W*nNT support. From the looks of it, it (as well as other vendors cards) use the MVIP bus (as used in voice-mail pc's, Computer based Telephony apps, etc.) to tie things together. But it looks like it's is/will be possible to buy/build your own "ascend" replacement soon using FreeBSD... Open standards hardware, open standards software... I like it... John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John T. Farmer Proprietor, GoldSword Systems jfarmer@goldsword.com Public Internet Access in East Tennessee dial-in (423)470-9953 for info, e-mail to info@goldsword.com Network Design, Internet Services & Servers, Consulting From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 08:40:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA04846 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:40:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [194.242.128.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA04822; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from joe@localhost) by florence.pavilion.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA05059; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:39:09 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19970915163909.38565@pavilion.net> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:39:09 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Susie Ward Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hiding user directories without breaking ftp? References: <199709122324.NAA07029@caliban.dihelix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 In-Reply-To: ; from Susie Ward on Fri, Sep 12, 1997 at 10:42:10PM -0500 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Or use the stock ftpd with the chroot option and INTERNAL_LS compiled in. (see man ftpd). Joe On Fri, Sep 12, 1997 at 10:42:10PM -0500, Susie Ward wrote: > Why not use wu-ftpd with the guest group, this will chroot the users into > their own home directories and they can't back out past that. I'm using > this with great success and I only hafta put /bin/ls in each users > directory. > > On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, David Langford wrote: > > I am trying to get a system so that users can't "ls" other peoples > > home directories. > > > > The current problem is that this really breaks ftpd. > > > > It doesn't affect uploading to the directory, but when a user moves to a > > subdirectory and then tries to back out, it goes all the way to the > > server root directory. > > > > > > I set the dirs up like: > > > > > > drwxr-x--x 33 root nolist /u1 > > drwxr-x--x 33 root nolist /u1/u > > drwx--x--x 3 user user /u1/u/user > > > > PWD works like this. > > > > -r-xr-sr-x 1 bin nolist /bin/pwd > > > > Since ftpd setuid's the the incoming user then the getcwd() command doesnt > > work. > > > > I would like to figure out a way for getpwd() to work but break "ls". > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > -David Langford > > sysadmin@maui.net > > > > > > -- Josef Karthauser Technical Manager Email: joe@pavilion.net Pavilion Internet plc. [Tel: +44 1273 607072 Fax: +44 1273 607073] From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 09:38:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA08065 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from intra.vafibre.com ([205.139.223.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA08057 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from is01 by intra.vafibre.com (Unoverica 2.11a) id 000025EE; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:38:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199709151638.000025EE@intra.vafibre.com> From: "John Brown" To: Subject: QPopper -- Host Name Lookup Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:36:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can someone tell me how to turn this feature off. I keep getting an error everytime someone checks their mail that say's "unable to get canonical name of client..." Thanks From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 10:48:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA12686 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA12673 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA27697; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:44:51 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <341D7412.2781E494@cablenet.net> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:44:50 +0100 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Brown CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: QPopper -- Host Name Lookup References: <199709151638.000025EE@intra.vafibre.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Brown wrote: > > Can someone tell me how to turn this feature off. I keep getting an error > everytime someone checks their mail that say's "unable to get canonical name > of client..." > > Thanks This isn't your problem. You are getting this error message because reverse DNS lookup of the client's IP address failed. If you are an ISP and your client's are using dynamic IPs then add a mapping to something so that their dynamic IP resolves (like ppp1.vafibre.com for example). regards damian -- * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net * CableNet & The Landscape Channel * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 13:03:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA20906 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA20864; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA07186; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709151451.HAA07186@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Thad Smith cc: Blaine Minazzi , skat@flask.com, Jason McKay , isp@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Active Server Pages In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 12 Sep 97 12:52:05 -0500. Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:48:36 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Blaine Minazzi wrote: > >> Does it conform to any RFC's, or is it more microsquid propriatary stuff >> that only runs on their crappy NT servers? >> In other words, is it OPEN? Oh, I'm sorry -- I forgot that Microsoft was not allowed to invent any new technology, anymore. There is no OPEN standard (i.e. there are no RFCs (that I'm aware of)) that cover the kind of technology I was describing. Yes, this is new technology that Microsoft invented. >I'm not completely sure, but I believe I heard somewhere that it runs only >on Microsoft's IIS (Internet Information Server). This is correct. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 13:13:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA21917 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@sdn-ts-004coauroP07.dialsprint.net [206.133.160.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA21908 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA11433 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:30:46 -0600 Message-ID: <341D9AF5.18F81EA4@denverweb.net> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:30:45 -0600 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freeBSD.org Subject: Re: Active Server Pages References: <199709151451.HAA07186@MindBender.serv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > > >On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Blaine Minazzi wrote: > > > >> Does it conform to any RFC's, or is it more microsquid propriatary stuff > >> that only runs on their crappy NT servers? > >> In other words, is it OPEN? > > Oh, I'm sorry -- I forgot that Microsoft was not allowed to invent any > new technology, anymore. They can invent anything they want. _THIS_ however is a UNIX ( FreeBSD ) list. If the stuff is typical microshit, you have have NT to run it. The original question was about using this technology under FreeBSD.... > There is no OPEN standard (i.e. there are no RFCs (that I'm aware of)) > that cover the kind of technology I was describing. Yes, this is new > technology that Microsoft invented. In other words, only a small percentage of the internet servers find this to be of any use. Typical MS BS. :-) > >I'm not completely sure, but I believe I heard somewhere that it runs only > >on Microsoft's IIS (Internet Information Server). > > This is correct. Therefore, it is useless to most of the people on this list. We will use PHP and the like to make the magic happen. Blaine From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 13:55:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA24763 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uranus.intrastar.net (root@uranus.intrastar.net [206.136.25.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA24755 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fixed.intrastar.net (jsuter@fixed.intrastar.net [206.136.25.69]) by uranus.intrastar.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA05300; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:54:03 GMT Message-Id: <199709152054.UAA05300@uranus.intrastar.net> Reply-To: From: "Jacob Suter" To: "John T. Farmer" , Cc: , Subject: Re: Digital Modem choices Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:53:46 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > vendor (Phylon Tech. at http://www.phylon.com/) looking for help in > writing & testing FreeBSD drivers for their cards. Currently they have > W*nNT support. From the looks of it, it (as well as other vendors cards) > use the MVIP bus (as used in voice-mail pc's, Computer based Telephony > apps, etc.) to tie things together. But it looks like it's is/will be > possible to buy/build your own "ascend" replacement soon using FreeBSD... But the issue is, would you want your FreeBSD box to catch on fire like Ascends like to do? I've heard stories of several charred Ascend boxes... And if you can't afford a PM3, you just got no excuse to be an ISP (IMHO). JS From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 14:22:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA26327 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marlin.exis.net (root@marlin.exis.net [205.252.72.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA26318 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sailfish.exis.net (sailfish.exis.net [205.252.72.104]) by marlin.exis.net (8.8.4/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01577; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:22:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:18:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Molnar To: Jacob Suter cc: "John T. Farmer" , rewt@i-Plus.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jfarmer@goldsword.com Subject: Re: Digital Modem choices In-Reply-To: <199709152054.UAA05300@uranus.intrastar.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've heard stories of several charred Ascend boxes... And if you can't > afford a PM3, you just got no excuse to be an ISP (IMHO). Preach On Brother!!! Stefan From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 14:40:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA27196 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.dihelix.com [198.180.136.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA27140 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.8.7/8.8.3) id LAA25710; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:39:07 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199709152139.LAA25710@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: Re: Digital Modem choices In-Reply-To: <199709152054.UAA05300@uranus.intrastar.net> from Jacob Suter at "Sep 15, 97 03:53:46 pm" To: jsuter@uranus.intrastar.net Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:39:06 -1000 (HST) Cc: jfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com, rewt@i-Plus.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jfarmer@goldsword.com From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jacob Suter >> vendor (Phylon Tech. at http://www.phylon.com/) looking for help in >> writing & testing FreeBSD drivers for their cards. Currently they have >> W*nNT support. From the looks of it, it (as well as other vendors cards) > >> use the MVIP bus (as used in voice-mail pc's, Computer based Telephony >> apps, etc.) to tie things together. But it looks like it's is/will be >> possible to buy/build your own "ascend" replacement soon using FreeBSD... > >But the issue is, would you want your FreeBSD box to catch on fire like >Ascends like to do? > >I've heard stories of several charred Ascend boxes... And if you can't >afford a PM3, you just got no excuse to be an ISP (IMHO). >JS This has many other uses than ISP areas. From corparate to call center to fax brodcasting to BBS or service dial-up. Our local Real Estate MLS uses an Ascend with PRI to handle their agents to call up and get MLS info. They are not an ISP but this type of product could be usefull. Please dont dismiss someones ideas or products just because it doesnt fit YOUR niche (and YES the ISP market is actually a small niche. -David Langford (happy user of Ascend MAX 4004's) From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 15:01:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA28036 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA28029 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA19001; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:13:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:13:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Lynch To: Jacob Suter cc: "John T. Farmer" , rewt@i-Plus.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jfarmer@goldsword.com Subject: Re: Digital Modem choices In-Reply-To: <199709152054.UAA05300@uranus.intrastar.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Jacob Suter wrote: > > vendor (Phylon Tech. at http://www.phylon.com/) looking for help in > > writing & testing FreeBSD drivers for their cards. Currently they have > > W*nNT support. From the looks of it, it (as well as other vendors cards) > > > use the MVIP bus (as used in voice-mail pc's, Computer based Telephony > > apps, etc.) to tie things together. But it looks like it's is/will be > > possible to buy/build your own "ascend" replacement soon using FreeBSD... > > But the issue is, would you want your FreeBSD box to catch on fire like > Ascends like to do? > > I've heard stories of several charred Ascend boxes... And if you can't > afford a PM3, you just got no excuse to be an ISP (IMHO). > > JS > This is different hardware, so the fire comment is silly. Anyway, I think there's great potential in something like this. Too bad the largest obstacle, IMHO, will be perception rather than quality. Lots of computer geeks and service providers are religious about their modems. You could spend lots of time and energy dancing around when someone points their finger at your equipment. I would consider such a solution only if there were LARGE cost savings over industry accepted solutions (arguably like USR, Ascend, Livingston). For example, when someone blames our modems, when we state we use USR, they just might back off and go out and buy a new modem. Try that with a roll-yer-own terminal server product. The PC and Freebsd costs are rather small. But I've seen pretty high prices on these voice boards, although I don't know about this specific one. If the vendor is listening, some of us would probably be willing to purchase a well integrateable solution, but make it MUCH lower total cost or stick with your current market. OTOH, price it low enough to put a real dent in the market share of overpriced integrated modem/ts and keep the interoperability and quality standards very high. If you make it worth our while to take the risk, the rewards could be great. ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 15:38:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA00239 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA00225 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from batie@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18445; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970915153826.31877@agora.rdrop.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:38:26 -0700 From: Alan Batie To: Jeff Lynch Cc: Jacob Suter , "John T. Farmer" , rewt@i-Plus.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jfarmer@goldsword.com Subject: Re: Digital Modem choices References: <199709152054.UAA05300@uranus.intrastar.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=kvwRMAIpAhPCcCJK X-Mailer: Mutt 0.76 In-Reply-To: ; from Jeff Lynch on Mon, Sep 15, 1997 at 05:13:57PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk --kvwRMAIpAhPCcCJK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Sep 15, 1997 at 05:13:57PM -0500, Jeff Lynch wrote: > For example, when > someone blames our modems, when we state we use USR, they just might back > off and go out and buy a new modem. It's hard to do that when people are working fine, then you install the highly rated USR Couriers and all of a sudden they can't even establish a connection. I've had to leave some old modems in place and put an upgrade on hold because it affected so many users, many of whom are using other USR modems even. Now, you get another Courier on the other end, and it'll hang on come hell or high water, but telling users to go spend $300 instead of the $50 winmodem they just got, well, they'll just go to the next isp that's got compatible modems. -- Alan Batie ______ It's not my fault! It's some guy batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / named "General Protection"! +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Ratbert PGP FP: DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 \/ 7A 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. --kvwRMAIpAhPCcCJK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNB2434v4wNua7QglAQH4QAQAkoPvXZdrfn7UMv4Q6narNRrYpKyw8S+d W6zCxIrRgLYup8B01pt2GVRDnjjC4FvgXNdkM6WVGDgSu8QeZv5ri70hCB5oMsXi a6BQV0VQaJTd79hHsEsMnnBZ7RHMmMWIVSARnvXxX2oaFMbrC3S6dMTMybMU9ryo zdxW1RanbJE= =Cnhr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kvwRMAIpAhPCcCJK-- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 17:07:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA05049 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA05022; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01057; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:20:08 -0400 (EDT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: Thad Smith , Blaine Minazzi , skat@flask.com, Jason McKay , isp@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Active Server Pages In-Reply-To: <199709151451.HAA07186@MindBender.serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: [beginning of flamefest deleted] > > >I'm not completely sure, but I believe I heard somewhere that it runs only > >on Microsoft's IIS (Internet Information Server). > > This is correct. For the time being... I believe the Apache win32 port has some basic support in it's current incarnation. It looks like a very interesting project, and it gives those of us who like text-based configs something to play with... Charles > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net > Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. > Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. > > --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- > NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, > Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... > NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 18:29:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA10860 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.xtalwind.net (xtal36.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA10833; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (zeus.xtalwind.net [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.xtalwind.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA15944; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:28:51 -0400 (EDT) From: jack X-Sender: jack@zeus.xtalwind.net To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Active Server Pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, spork wrote: > > >I'm not completely sure, but I believe I heard somewhere that it runs only > > >on Microsoft's IIS (Internet Information Server). > > > > This is correct. > > For the time being... I believe the Apache win32 port has some basic > support in it's current incarnation. It looks like a very interesting > project, and it gives those of us who like text-based configs something to > play with... I'm confused. What does all this M$ based software have to do with FreeBSD? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@diamond.xtalwind.net or jack@xtalwind.net http://www.xtalwind.net/~jacko/pubpgp.html #include for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 19:26:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA13890 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA13883 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA01228; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:39:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:39:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Lynch To: Alan Batie cc: Jacob Suter , "John T. Farmer" , rewt@i-Plus.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jfarmer@goldsword.com Subject: Re: Digital Modem choices In-Reply-To: <19970915153826.31877@agora.rdrop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Alan Batie wrote: > On Mon, Sep 15, 1997 at 05:13:57PM -0500, Jeff Lynch wrote: > > For example, when > > someone blames our modems, when we state we use USR, they just might back > > off and go out and buy a new modem. > > It's hard to do that when people are working fine, then you install the > highly rated USR Couriers and all of a sudden they can't even establish > a connection. I've had to leave some old modems in place and put an > upgrade on hold because it affected so many users, many of whom are > using other USR modems even. Now, you get another Courier on the other > end, and it'll hang on come hell or high water, but telling users to > go spend $300 instead of the $50 winmodem they just got, well, they'll > just go to the next isp that's got compatible modems. Sure, everyone has their day in the fire. But as I tried to convey in my original post, I was placing some value on consumer perception. Having used USR for two years now, they are far from perfect, but my customers are noticably less tempted to point their finger at us when their new $50 33.6 modem does not perform. In my original post, I was encouraging FBSD driver development of voice-mail dsp board for modem pooling but was anticipating the obstacle of entering the already highly competetive and somewhat religious modem manufacturer market and at the same time making an appeal to make it financially attractive to ISPs to get involved. ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 19:32:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA14232 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA14197; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA00716; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709160231.TAA00716@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: jack cc: isp@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Active Server Pages In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 15 Sep 97 21:28:51 -0400. Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:31:34 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, spork wrote: >> > >I'm not completely sure, but I believe I heard somewhere that it runs only >> > >on Microsoft's IIS (Internet Information Server). >> > >> > This is correct. >> For the time being... I believe the Apache win32 port has some basic >> support in it's current incarnation. It looks like a very interesting >> project, and it gives those of us who like text-based configs something to >> play with... >I'm confused. What does all this M$ based software have to do with >FreeBSD? Apache is not MS software. And, this list is not only a FreeBSD list, but an ISP list. Microsoft software is of some interest to some ISP's, even if for no other reason than understanding their options (or even just understanding the "competition"). If you want to just write off anything related to Microsoft "evil", and bury your head in the sand, feel free. But there are people on this list who are interested in knowing what's going across the entire industry, even if that includes stuff made by Microsoft. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 19:42:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA14844 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wicked.eaznet.com ([206.62.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA14839 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eaznet.com (as1-31.eaznet.com [206.62.254.239]) by wicked.eaznet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01974; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:37:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <341DF0C9.694F27E@eaznet.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:36:57 -0700 From: Eddie Fry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ernie Elu CC: Dave Smith , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: radius server software References: <199709100620.QAA18246@spooky.eis.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dave, Please be aware that, according to the Livingston license agreement, in order to use any version of Radius after 1.16 you MUST be using at least one piece of Livingston hardware. You can use Radius 1.16 freely, however. Eddie Ernie Elu wrote: > Hi Dave, > Your wrote: > > > > > I have a version of Livingston 1.16 running under FreeBSD 2.2.2-stable > > and working with a USR Netserver 16/i. I use the "users" file to > > keep the info about users. It is not efficient, but it works for a > > small number of users. > > > > It has stayed up for weeks at a time and has always worked for me. I > > don't remember if I had to make any changes or not. If you want, I > > will tar up a copy and make it available to you. > > > > Good Luck, > > > > Dave Smith > > dsmith@n2.net > > > > I took your advise and hunted down a Livingston radius server. > > I grabbed a binary for BSDI on > ftp://ftp.livingston.com/pub/le/software/bsdi/radius_2.0.1_BSDOS_2.0.tar.Z > > I have just installed it and it seems to be working fine. > > Thanks for the suggestion. > > - Ernie. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 19:47:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA15124 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA15101; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA06431; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:01:43 -0400 (EDT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: jack cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Active Server Pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, jack wrote: > I'm confused. What does all this M$ based software have to do with > FreeBSD? Well, Apache is the FreeBSD of webservers. When one of "our" kind can bust into that there "other" world of 'dows, that is rather impressive, and somewhat heartening. It gave me warm fuzzies to point a browser at an NT machine and be greeted with "powered by Apache". And if there is support in the win32 Apache for .asps, then perhaps there's a way to bring that into *nix Apache... Charles From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 19:49:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA15273 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wicked.eaznet.com ([206.62.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA15268 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eaznet.com (as1-31.eaznet.com [206.62.254.239]) by wicked.eaznet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA02021; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:51:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <341DF3F5.3C979B59@eaznet.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:50:29 -0700 From: Eddie Fry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jsuter@uranus.intrastar.net CC: "John T. Farmer" , rewt@i-Plus.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jfarmer@goldsword.com Subject: Re: Digital Modem choices References: <199709152054.UAA05300@uranus.intrastar.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jacob Suter wrote: > > vendor (Phylon Tech. at http://www.phylon.com/) looking for help in > > writing & testing FreeBSD drivers for their cards. Currently they have > > W*nNT support. From the looks of it, it (as well as other vendors cards) > > > use the MVIP bus (as used in voice-mail pc's, Computer based Telephony > > apps, etc.) to tie things together. But it looks like it's is/will be > > possible to buy/build your own "ascend" replacement soon using FreeBSD... > > But the issue is, would you want your FreeBSD box to catch on fire like > Ascends like to do? > > I've heard stories of several charred Ascend boxes... And if you can't > afford a PM3, you just got no excuse to be an ISP (IMHO). > Huh?!?! PM3's cost MUCH LESS than As*end boxes. And yes, they are much better. If you choose an As*end that doesn't mean you can't be an ISP. It just means you won't be the smartest ISP. ;-) Eddie > JS From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 21:02:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA18831 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA18813; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id WAA22935; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:02:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA29610; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:03:53 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:03:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Marc Slemko To: spork cc: jack , isp@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Active Server Pages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, spork wrote: > On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, jack wrote: > > > I'm confused. What does all this M$ based software have to do with > > FreeBSD? > > Well, Apache is the FreeBSD of webservers. When one of "our" kind can > bust into that there "other" world of 'dows, that is rather impressive, > and somewhat heartening. It gave me warm fuzzies to point a browser at an > NT machine and be greeted with "powered by Apache". > > And if there is support in the win32 Apache for .asps, then perhaps > there's a way to bring that into *nix Apache... There is support for most of the ISAPI stuff in Apache running on NT, but the ISAPI ASP DLL doesn't work last I knew. In any case, the ISAPI ASP DLL is just a transitionary element until ASP support is directly integrated into IIS; the ISAPI DLL for it may go away at any point. ASP is very annoying to implement, and even worse on a platform-independent basis, because it relies so heavily on MS things like Visual Basic and ActiveX. ChiliSoft (http://www.chilisoft.net/) has a non-MS ASP implementation for NT. They have one in the works for Unix, but it involves reimplementing a lot of stuff. This enters the world of proprietary standards (well, not standards since that would imply there is a standard) and becomes very difficult to implement. There are some somewhat ASP like things that provide server side scripting like mod_perl and PHP available for Apache, but they don't give you the same compatability with ASP that you get with IIS. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 21:13:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA19333 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spooky.eis.net.au (ernie@spooky.eis.net.au [203.12.171.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA19327 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ernie@localhost) by spooky.eis.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.3) id OAA03757; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:12:56 +1000 (EST) From: Ernie Elu Message-Id: <199709160412.OAA03757@spooky.eis.net.au> Subject: Re: radius server software In-Reply-To: <341DF0C9.694F27E@eaznet.com> from "Eddie Fry" at "Sep 15, 97 07:36:57 pm" X-ELM-OSV: (Our standard violations) no-mime=1; no-hdr-encoding=1 To: eddie@eaznet.com (Eddie Fry) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:12:56 +1000 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Dave, > > Please be aware that, according to the Livingston license agreement, in order > to use any version of Radius after 1.16 you MUST be using at least one piece > of Livingston hardware. > > You can use Radius 1.16 freely, however. > There's always a catch. So does that mean there is no FreeBSD generally usable radius server that supports radius 2.01 features specifically connect-rate and auth-type = reject ? Sigh, back to the drawing board. - Ernie. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 15 21:41:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA21576 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (sabre.goldsword.com [199.170.202.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA21558 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA15887; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:26:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "John T. Farmer" Message-Id: <199709160426.AAA15887@sabre.goldsword.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jsuter@uranus.intrastar.net Subject: Re: Digital Modem choices Cc: jfarmer@goldsword.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:53:46 -0500 "Jacob Suter" said: [I said...] >> vendor (Phylon Tech. at http://www.phylon.com/) looking for help in >> writing & testing FreeBSD drivers for their cards. Currently they have >> W*nNT support. From the looks of it, it (as well as other vendors cards) > >> use the MVIP bus (as used in voice-mail pc's, Computer based Telephony >> apps, etc.) to tie things together. But it looks like it's is/will be >> possible to buy/build your own "ascend" replacement soon using FreeBSD... > >But the issue is, would you want your FreeBSD box to catch on fire like >Ascends like to do? > >I've heard stories of several charred Ascend boxes... And if you can't >afford a PM3, you just got no excuse to be an ISP (IMHO). Aw SH*T! Are we going to to get into the _SAME_@#$%_ argument about this that breaks out _very_ time someone asks about sync cards & Freebsd-based routing boxes? He asked a reasonable question. I gave him what information I had. Enough said. Charred Ascend boxes? stories, yes, I'll believe _stories_. Do some of the loaded out Max boxes run hot? Yes. Charred? Burned up? Not as long as you obey the factory recommendations as to air flow & other environmental conditions. No excuse to be an ISP if you can't afford a PM3?!?! I'm _very_ glad you put the IMHO on that... To put it in simple terms, being a successful ISP does not _require_ you to use PM3s or Ascends. Different folks want/like different solutions. I'm not use an ISP. I design networks & systems to _solve_ the client's problem. 20 years of doing this has taught me one thing, "There ain't no one answer for every situation." John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John T. Farmer Proprietor, GoldSword Systems jfarmer@goldsword.com Public Internet Access in East Tennessee dial-in (423)470-9953 for info, e-mail to info@goldsword.com Network Design, Internet Services & Servers, Consulting From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 16 05:46:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA21858 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 05:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from intra.vafibre.com ([205.139.223.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA21853 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 05:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from is01 by intra.vafibre.com (Unoverica 2.11a) id 00002729; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:47:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199709161247.00002729@intra.vafibre.com> From: "John Brown" To: Subject: User Name Size Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:45:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there a place that I can change the maximum length of user names? From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 16 07:15:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA25868 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.denverweb.net (root@sdn-ts-004coauroP07.dialsprint.net [206.133.160.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA25860 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion (blaine@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.denverweb.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA13027 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:33:14 -0600 Message-ID: <341E98A9.2B6A0705@denverweb.net> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:33:13 -0600 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ISP@freeBSD.org Subject: Re: Active Server Pages References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > This enters the world of proprietary standards (well, not standards since > that would imply there is a standard) and becomes very difficult to > implement. And the whole IDEA behind the http, java, and what has made the web so popular, was to allow platform independent sharing of information. Without this ability, we are right back to the ground zero of interoperability. Oh well. Proof again that the G&S factor is the driving force of many corporate decisions. Blaine From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 16 07:32:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA26645 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wicked.eaznet.com ([206.62.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA26640 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eaznet.com (as1-13.eaznet.com [206.62.254.221]) by wicked.eaznet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA03159; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:09:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <341E92E6.CC3821F6@eaznet.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:08:38 -0700 From: Eddie Fry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Brown CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: User Name Size References: <199709161247.00002729@intra.vafibre.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John, The maximum login length supported under FreeBSD is 8 characters. I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong) FreeBSD 3.0 will be able to handle 12 characters. Until then, take a look at Alias. Eddie John Brown wrote: > Is there a place that I can change the maximum length of user names? From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 16 07:37:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA27129 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.cioe.com (steve@ns1.cioe.com [204.120.165.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA27120 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by ns1.cioe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA13809 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:37:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:37:27 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Ames Message-Id: <199709161437.JAA13809@ns1.cioe.com> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: best news server config Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm having some serious problems with our newsfeed. The bottom line seems to be that our server just isn't keeping up with the feed. The server is a Pentium 150 with 96M of memory. I have two 4G SCSI drives bound together with ccd (interleave 65536 as recommended in the ccd man page). I have any the actual news spool mounted with async and noatime. The partition with the history and active files is mounted async. I am using inn 1.5.1 compiled using MMAP. Everything seems quite sprightly. However when I check the news stats from one of my feeds (sprintlink) it shows that they are throwing about 65% of the articles away before trying to send them to me. I also have a constant backlog of about 9700 articles (cap being 10,000 before they start throwing away articles instead of spooling). Comparing the articles that show up on my server with articles that show up on another ISPs news server is quite depressing. I can't seem to peg the bottle neck here. 'top' shows that the CPU never goes below 60% idle. So not CPU. Very little swapping is occuring so memory shouldn't be a real big issue. That only leaves drive and network speed. The drives are normal scsi attached by an adaptec 2940 controller. Is this the problem? Would putting in an external raid array with a wider controller fix my problem or am I looking in the wrong place? A lot of you must run successful news servers. What's your configuration look like? Do you take a full feed everyday? How many articles/meg do you get? If I could pin down something definate I'd roll with it and get it fixed... -STEve From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 16 08:11:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA29183 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.flask.com (root@ns1.flask.com [207.67.43.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA29178 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:11:43 -0700 (PDT) From: skat@flask.com Received: (from skat@localhost) by ns1.flask.com (8.7.6/8.6.12) id KAA16037; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:07:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:07:39 -0500 (CDT) To: Blaine Minazzi cc: ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Active Server Pages In-Reply-To: <341E98A9.2B6A0705@denverweb.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ASP only affects the server platform. The ASP pages are still platform independent from client side, unless the content developers choose to use ActiveX components (that's another issue). What happens on the server (i.e., cgi, isapi, nsapi, w*api, etc.) were never platform independent to begin with (try porting a unix cgi to WinNT or MacOS platform). I'm sure I could come up with several reasons why I prefer not to use ASP, but if someone wants to use it, it is their choice and their nightmare. Shin On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, Blaine Minazzi wrote: > > > > This enters the world of proprietary standards (well, not standards since > > that would imply there is a standard) and becomes very difficult to > > implement. > > And the whole IDEA behind the http, java, and what has made the web so > popular, was to allow platform independent sharing of information. > Without this ability, we are right back to the ground zero of > interoperability. > > Oh well. Proof again that the G&S factor is the driving force of many > corporate decisions. > > Blaine > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 16 09:05:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA02325 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite.sentex.ca [199.212.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA02318 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gravel.sentex.ca (gravel.sentex.ca [207.245.212.139]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA18639; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:14:06 -0400 (EDT) From: mike@sentex.net (Mike Tancsa) To: ernie@spooky.eis.net.au (Ernie Elu) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: radius server software Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:00:24 GMT Message-ID: <341eacaf.7635248@mail.sentex.net> References: <199709160412.OAA03757@spooky.eis.net.au> In-Reply-To: <199709160412.OAA03757@spooky.eis.net.au> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:12:56 +1000 (EST), in sentex.lists.freebsd.misc you wrote: >> Dave, >> >> Please be aware that, according to the Livingston license agreement, in order >> to use any version of Radius after 1.16 you MUST be using at least one piece >> of Livingston hardware. >> >> You can use Radius 1.16 freely, however. >> > >There's always a catch. So does that mean there is no FreeBSD generally >usable radius server that supports radius 2.01 features specifically >connect-rate and auth-type = reject ? I am running radius 2.01 on 2.1.STABLE and 2.2-RELNG machines... Have a look through the archives on what very minor changes need to be made in order to get the source code to compile cleanly... ---Mike From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 16 10:16:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA06658 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from indigo.ie (aoife.indigo.ie [194.125.133.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA06652 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from indigo.ie (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by indigo.ie (8.8.5/8.8.5/INDIGO-HUB) with ESMTP id SAA25378; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:15:57 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709161715.SAA25378@indigo.ie> To: Steve Ames Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best news server config In-reply-to: Message from Steve Ames dated today at 09:37. From: Alan Judge Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 18:15:57 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We have a PPro 200, with 256MB of RAM. We have eight 4GB Quantum Atlas II drives spread across two channels of a 3940UW. (Disks are used as: one system/history/logs, one overview, two stripped for alt/binaries, and four stripped for the rest of spool.) CPU and memory are fine. I/O mostly OK, but probably need to spread the history/log load out. We're running INN-1.5.1 with a few patches. Fairly reliable, except for an intermittent problem that causes the active file to get corrupted (one extra space at the very end; innd doesn't care; nnrpd does), and regular messages about .overview files having 'bad format'. Since the last hike in news flows (up to around 700K articles/day), we're only barely keeping up. Though I think that network congestion (due to pulling feeds across transatlantic links) is an issue for us, we don't have much spare capacity. The inntimer stats show little free at busy times. About half the time is spent writing articles, the rest scattered. At full whack, our system processes a max of about 3000 article writes in 5 minutes with no idle noticable. That's only 860K articles in a day. Nothing like the spare I planned for when I set up the machine and news was flowing at 300K/day. Your system is very likely maxed out in I/O. Have a look at iostat or systat to see how many tps your disks are taking. You may well need more memory. INN likes lots. Consider increasing NBUF as well if you get more memory. I'd be interested to hear what other people are experiencing. We're thinking about installing a Diablo front end machine to smooth the transatlantic flow and do some spam deletion before things get to INN. -- Alan Judge Phone: +353-1-6046901 Indigo Network Operations Centre Fax: +353-1-6046948 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 16 10:48:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA08707 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from intra.vafibre.com ([205.139.223.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA08689 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from is01 by intra.vafibre.com (Unoverica 2.11a) id 00002792; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:49:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199709161749.00002792@intra.vafibre.com> From: "John Brown" To: Subject: radius server software Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:47:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think that I have seen this message on this listserve (or one of my listserves) before but don't remember if an answer was ever found so... I am running radiusd (v 2.4.23c) on a Freebsd server (2.2.2) and am getting exit errors intermittently the exit status I am receiving is 0.8b Is there a newer version available? will it correct this problem? thanks From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 16 12:42:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA15262 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (sabre.goldsword.com [199.170.202.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA15256 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA17639; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:46:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "John T. Farmer" Message-Id: <199709161946.PAA17639@sabre.goldsword.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, steve@ns1.cioe.com Subject: Re: best news server config Cc: jfarmer@goldsword.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:37:27 -0500 (EST) Steve Ames said: >I'm having some serious problems with our newsfeed. The bottom line seems >to be that our server just isn't keeping up with the feed. The server >is a Pentium 150 with 96M of memory. I have two 4G SCSI drives bound >together with ccd (interleave 65536 as recommended in the ccd man page). > >I have any the actual news spool mounted with async and noatime. The partition >with the history and active files is mounted async. > >I am using inn 1.5.1 compiled using MMAP. More spindles. Smaller drives. Multiple controllers. Stripe it across spindles & controllers. Seperate drives for the active and history files. Seperate drives for swap & system. More memory. More memory. etc. What type of network interface are you using? Is streaming enabled? At both ends? Browse the freebsd archives for any one of the several series of articles by Joe Greco. Also, check out the following URL: http://www.nntp.sol.net/ Joe has built several serious news servers & knows what he is talking about. Most of what I know is based on listening to him and thinking about it, and thinking about it, and thinking about it... >Everything seems quite sprightly. However when I check the news stats from >one of my feeds (sprintlink) it shows that they are throwing about 65% of >the articles away before trying to send them to me. I also have a constant >backlog of about 9700 articles (cap being 10,000 before they start throwing >away articles instead of spooling). > >Comparing the articles that show up on my server with articles that show up >on another ISPs news server is quite depressing. > >I can't seem to peg the bottle neck here. 'top' shows that the CPU never >goes below 60% idle. So not CPU. Very little swapping is occuring so >memory shouldn't be a real big issue. That only leaves drive and network >speed. Only 60% idle?!?!? That sounds like something is eating cycles somewhere. A news server should be spending most of its time in I/O wait. >The drives are normal scsi attached by an adaptec 2940 controller. Is this >the problem? Would putting in an external raid array with a wider controller >fix my problem or am I looking in the wrong place? Depends on how the raid box is configured. Usually, the reliablity goes up without any increase in transaction rate or sequential I/O. Take a look at the above references & see if they can help you. John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John T. Farmer Proprietor, GoldSword Systems jfarmer@goldsword.com Public Internet Access in East Tennessee dial-in (423)470-9953 for info, e-mail to info@goldsword.com Network Design, Internet Services & Servers, Consulting From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 16 13:22:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA17646 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.calweb.com (mx.calweb.com [208.131.56.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA17639 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mx.calweb.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA24811; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:21:58 -0700 (PDT) X-SMTP: hello web1.calweb.com from rdugaue@calweb.com server rdugaue@web1.calweb.com ip 208.131.56.51 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:21:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Du Gaue To: Alan Judge cc: Steve Ames , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: best news server config In-Reply-To: <199709161715.SAA25378@indigo.ie> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'd be interested to hear what other people are experiencing. We're > thinking about installing a Diablo front end machine to smooth the > transatlantic flow and do some spam deletion before things get to INN. We've found INN to be fairly sluggish, or more aptly the IO mechanism combined with INN, with the current volume of news. INN just doesn't seem to be able to keep up with the current volume. We finally split off our news into two boxes, a front-end to gather all the feeds, then a reader only. The front-end is a Diablo box getting full and partial feeds from about 12 different sites. It keeps up with this volume very easily with one 9gig drive. It then passes the data to the reader box, and that box drops about 30%+ messages because it still can't keep up! Which really sucks, because our Diablo box is listed at 280 in the world at www.freenix.fr. We currently are testing a new reader box using DNEWS and inital results I must say are VERY impressive. While we don't get source for the registration price of $695.00 we get upgrades and support (via mailing list or voice if you want call Australia!). The DNEWS box keeps up hands down with the stuff coming from the Diablo box and is actually idle (feedwise) most of the time! We have about 20 gigs on the box, and the expire mech. for DNEWS is much more efficient as well, allowing us to retain groups being read alot longer. It's a real bummer having to handle support calls from users complaining about where part xxx of their alt.binarie.frogs picture is. I expect this problem to go away once we take down the INN reader and turn the DNEWS system into our default. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Du Gaue - rdugaue@calweb.com http://www.calweb.com President, CalWeb Internet Services Inc. (916) 641-9320 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 16 17:11:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA28900 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA28891 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with ESMTP id UAA03204; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.webspan.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with ESMTP id UAA20693; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:10:17 -0400 (EDT) To: Steve Ames cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: best news server config In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:37:27 CDT." <199709161437.JAA13809@ns1.cioe.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 20:10:17 -0400 Message-ID: <20690.874455017@orion.webspan.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Steve Ames wrote in message ID <199709161437.JAA13809@ns1.cioe.com>: > I'm having some serious problems with our newsfeed. The bottom line seems > to be that our server just isn't keeping up with the feed. The server > is a Pentium 150 with 96M of memory. I have two 4G SCSI drives bound > together with ccd (interleave 65536 as recommended in the ccd man page). > > I have any the actual news spool mounted with async and noatime. The partitio > n > with the history and active files is mounted async. > > I am using inn 1.5.1 compiled using MMAP. > > Everything seems quite sprightly. However when I check the news stats from > one of my feeds (sprintlink) it shows that they are throwing about 65% of > the articles away before trying to send them to me. I also have a constant > backlog of about 9700 articles (cap being 10,000 before they start throwing > away articles instead of spooling). I'll give you a clue. Put in Joe Greco's inn timer patches and check out the ammount of time you spend waiting for history lookups. I can almost GUARENTEE that unless you have a RAID array for your history drive, that that is your bottleneck. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 16 17:54:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA01435 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA01430 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05734; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709162204.PAA05734@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Steve Ames cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best news server config In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 16 Sep 97 09:37:27 -0500. <199709161437.JAA13809@ns1.cioe.com> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:04:24 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I'm having some serious problems with our newsfeed. The bottom line seems >to be that our server just isn't keeping up with the feed. The server >is a Pentium 150 with 96M of memory. I have two 4G SCSI drives bound ^^^^^^^^^^^ One thing you need to do is run with a faster bus speed. Unless you are running a 75MHz bus, which you probably aren't, then you are running a 60MHz bus (with 30MHz PCI bus). This means you are losing 10% of your potential bus bandwidth. You shouldn't have bought a 150 in the first place. But since you already have the chip, you need to see if you can overclock it to 166MHz (66MHz bus x 2.5, rather than 60MHz bus x 2.5, which you are running now). Alternatively, you could attempt to run your chip at 2 x 75MHz, but most motherboards don't support this, and some PCI cards might not like it either (that is higher than the "supported" bus speed for the PCI bus). It's possible you might even get better performance at 133MHz (66MHz x 2, rather than your current 60MHz x 2.5), if 166MHz doesn't work reliably. This advice goes along with other advice people are giving (like more drives striped across more controllers, etc.). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 16 23:11:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA19816 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from npc.haplink.co.cn ([202.96.192.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA19807 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by npc.haplink.co.cn (8.8.4/8.6.9) id OAA04523 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:18:14 GMT Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:18:14 GMT From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199709171418.OAA04523@npc.haplink.co.cn> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: backup the putgoing mail message? Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Is there a way to backup the outgoing email messages at the mail server? Or, just record the to address and the from address? Best regaurds! --xiyuan From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 17 00:08:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA24392 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 00:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA24381 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 00:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA08686; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:38:25 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970917163824.14669@lemis.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:38:24 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: xiyuan qian Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: backup the putgoing mail message? References: <199709171418.OAA04523@npc.haplink.co.cn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <199709171418.OAA04523@npc.haplink.co.cn>; from xiyuan qian on Wed, Sep 17, 1997 at 02:18:14PM +0000 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Sep 17, 1997 at 02:18:14PM +0000, xiyuan qian wrote: > Hi, Is there a way to backup the outgoing email messages at the mail server? This is an MUA function. Most of them do supply some means to save the message. You can't allow the MTA to do it, because that would be a breach of individual security. > Or, just record the to address and the from address? sendmail does that already: Sep 17 16:35:08 freebie sendmail[8666]: QAA08666: from=grog, size=1115, class=0, pri=91115, nrcpts=3, msgid=<19970917163507.24347@lemis.com>, relay=grog@localhost Sep 17 16:35:15 freebie sendmail[8668]: QAA08666: to=jbryant@tfs.net, ctladdr=grog (1004/1000), delay=00:00:07, xdelay=00:00:07, mailer=esmtp, relay=unix.tfs.net. [199.79.146.60], stat=Sent (BAA00789 Message accepted for delivery) Sep 17 16:35:20 freebie sendmail[8668]: QAA08666: to=freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ctladdr=grog (1004/1000), delay=00:00:12, xdelay=00:00:05, mailer=esmtp, relay=hub.freebsd.org. [204.216.27.18], stat=Sent (AAA24035 Message accepted for delivery) Sep 17 16:35:27 freebie sendmail[8668]: QAA08666: to=Amancio Hasty , ctladdr=grog (1004/1000), delay=00:00:19, xdelay=00:00:07, mailer=esmtp, relay=rah.star-gate.com. [204.188.121.18], stat=Sent (AAA19996 Message accepted for delivery) Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 17 01:05:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA27889 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 01:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homer.duff-beer.com (mail@homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA27879 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 01:05:55 -0700 (PDT) From: scot@poptart.org Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by homer.duff-beer.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA17187; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:04:34 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:04:34 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: scot@homer.duff-beer.com To: Greg Lehey cc: xiyuan qian , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: backup the putgoing mail message? In-Reply-To: <19970917163824.14669@lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Wed, Sep 17, 1997 at 02:18:14PM +0000, xiyuan qian wrote: > > Hi, Is there a way to backup the outgoing email messages at the mail server? > > This is an MUA function. Most of them do supply some means to save > the message. You can't allow the MTA to do it, because that would be > a breach of individual security. > Well you can if you don't care about privacy... try the -X sendmail option - eg sendmail -bd -q30 -X /var/log/sendmail.log to start it up, and the line: O LogLevel=9 in sendmail.cf. But I agree - it's not a very polite thing to do. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott scot@poptart.org Tel: +44 (0)181 9322042 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 17 01:43:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA00496 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 01:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from npc.haplink.co.cn ([202.96.192.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA00491 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 01:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by npc.haplink.co.cn (8.8.4/8.6.9) id QAA05561 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:50:18 GMT Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:50:18 GMT From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199709171650.QAA05561@npc.haplink.co.cn> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: sorry to ask a freebsd-question question! Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I know "ps -ax | grep ppp" can find the ppp running's pid, but when I do that, it sometimes show me 616 .... ppp 716 .... ps -ax | grep ppp or sometimes it only show me 616 ....ppp Why? How can I deny the "ps -ax | grep ppp" showing out? Best regaurds! --xiyuan From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 17 02:23:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA02605 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 02:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA02599 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 02:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA21880; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 02:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970917022302.25738@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 02:23:02 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: xiyuan qian Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sorry to ask a freebsd-question question! References: <199709171650.QAA05561@npc.haplink.co.cn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199709171650.QAA05561@npc.haplink.co.cn>; from xiyuan qian on Wed, Sep 17, 1997 at 04:50:18PM +0000 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk xiyuan qian scribbled this message on Sep 17: > Hi, I know "ps -ax | grep ppp" can find the ppp running's pid, but when I do > that, it sometimes show me > 616 .... ppp > 716 .... ps -ax | grep ppp > or sometimes it only show me > 616 ....ppp > Why? How can I deny the "ps -ax | grep ppp" showing out? use grep to filter out any lines with grep: ps ax | grep ppp | grep -v grep -- John-Mark Gurney Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Cu Networking Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 17 02:27:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA02859 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 02:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homer.duff-beer.com (mail@homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA02835 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 02:27:17 -0700 (PDT) From: scot@poptart.org Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by homer.duff-beer.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA18226; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:26:49 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:26:49 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: scot@homer.duff-beer.com To: xiyuan qian cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sorry to ask a freebsd-question question! In-Reply-To: <199709171650.QAA05561@npc.haplink.co.cn> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, xiyuan qian wrote: > Hi, I know "ps -ax | grep ppp" can find the ppp running's pid, but when I do > that, it sometimes show me > 616 .... ppp > 716 .... ps -ax | grep ppp > or sometimes it only show me > 616 ....ppp > Why? How can I deny the "ps -ax | grep ppp" showing out? > > Best regaurds! > > --xiyuan > try: ps -xa | grep ppp |grep -v ps Scot. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 17 03:02:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA04353 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 03:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA04348 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 03:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA05510; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:02:31 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:02:30 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: xiyuan qian cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: backup the putgoing mail message? In-Reply-To: <199709171418.OAA04523@npc.haplink.co.cn> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, xiyuan qian wrote: > Hi, Is there a way to backup the outgoing email messages at the mail server? > Or, just record the to address and the from address? The addresses are recorded in /var/log/maillog Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 17 03:05:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA04487 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 03:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA04481 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 03:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA05525; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:05:42 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:05:42 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: xiyuan qian cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sorry to ask a freebsd-question question! In-Reply-To: <199709171650.QAA05561@npc.haplink.co.cn> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, xiyuan qian wrote: > Hi, I know "ps -ax | grep ppp" can find the ppp running's pid, but when I do > that, it sometimes show me > 616 .... ppp > 716 .... ps -ax | grep ppp > or sometimes it only show me > 616 ....ppp > Why? How can I deny the "ps -ax | grep ppp" showing out? ps -ax | fgrep ppp | fgrep -v fgrep Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 17 06:18:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA10340 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 06:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daisy.crtb.org (poca45.capecod.net [205.230.13.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA10326 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 06:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (crtb@localhost) by daisy.crtb.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA08750; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:17:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck To: xiyuan qian cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sorry to ask a freebsd-question question! In-Reply-To: <199709171650.QAA05561@npc.haplink.co.cn> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Easy! ps -ax | grep 'ppp$' Chuck Bacon -- crtb@capecod.net ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, xiyuan qian wrote: > Hi, I know "ps -ax | grep ppp" can find the ppp running's pid, but when I do > that, it sometimes show me > 616 .... ppp > 716 .... ps -ax | grep ppp > or sometimes it only show me > 616 ....ppp > Why? How can I deny the "ps -ax | grep ppp" showing out? > > Best regaurds! > > --xiyuan > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 17 07:27:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA15812 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA15803 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id HAA08519; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:27:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199709171427.HAA08519@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: sorry to ask a freebsd-question question! In-Reply-To: from Daniel O'Callaghan at "Sep 17, 97 08:05:42 pm" To: danny@panda.hilink.com.au (Daniel O'Callaghan) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Cc: xiyuan@npc.haplink.co.cn, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, xiyuan qian wrote: > > > Hi, I know "ps -ax | grep ppp" can find the ppp running's pid, but when I do > > that, it sometimes show me > > 616 .... ppp > > 716 .... ps -ax | grep ppp > > or sometimes it only show me > > 616 ....ppp > > Why? How can I deny the "ps -ax | grep ppp" showing out? > > ps -ax | fgrep ppp | fgrep -v fgrep Stop with the silliness, just go get pppd's pid(s) from /var/run/ppp*.pid -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 17 11:50:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA01800 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:50:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix.stylo.it (unix.stylo.it [193.76.98.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA01743 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from styloserver.stylo.it (styloserver.stylo.it [193.76.98.13]) by unix.stylo.it (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA24211 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:40:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by styloserver.stylo.it with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id <3TDV1AZ9>; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:37:42 +0200 Message-ID: <31EBCC36B676D01197E400801E0324950568AB@styloserver.stylo.it> From: Angelo Turetta To: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Cc: "'Brian Somers'" Subject: Any reason why 'ppp -direct' might ignore CD transitions? Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:37:37 +0200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm cc-ing Brian which, reading the latest CVS logs, should be the maintainer of user mode ppp. My apologies if that's not true. And BTW, I'm not on this list, so please copy replies to my address. I've upgraded my FreeBSD router/terminal server to 2.2-STABLE (it was running 2.1.0-RELEASE with ppp compiled from the sources of the 2.2-CURRENT branch dated little more than one year ago, and getty hacked to implement the :pp: setting in the same way it works now on 2.2-STABLE) I have getty listening to 4 modems, starting usermode 'ppp -direct' through the :pp: setting of gettytab. All the users have static IP assigned, that is when they call in the server gives them the IP number I've put in my ppp.secret file no matter which port they get assigned to. Since I upgraded to RELENG_2_2, ppp fails to recognise carrier loss every now and then. On most calls everything goes well, but sometimes after a carrier loss the link stays up (last event logged: OsLinkup) and ppp doesn't quit. I suppose this is happening after a client-side timeout, because when this happens often the same customer calls again in a few minutes. At that time, if he's assigned a different line, ppp logs an error 'SetIpDevice: ioctl(SIOCAIFADDR): File exists' and quits. Eventually, the first ppp (the one locked in the Linkup state) times out too and exits, which enables the user to call in again. You can find the log (Carrier Link Phase) of one occurence of the problem attached to this message (ppp[213] was running for about an hour when the modem hung up: the user then called back and started ppp[214] which failed to establish the link because the IP was already in use. ppp[213] terminated only some minutes after the new connection attempt). Please note that I'm sure the user is not trying to connect from two different modems, as I personally witnessed a case where only 1 modem was active while 4 ppp processes where running (3 of them in the locked state). While checking ppp.log I've also noticed that if a new call comes on the same modem the locked ppp is hooked to (thus raising CD again), the old link is brought down and a new user authentication is executed by the same instance of ppp (same PID in log file) It seems like ppp is trying to wait some time for the carrier to come back up before terminating. I think this is not the expected behaviour on a ppp server. Is there someone else using user mode ppp on a ppp server? I think the 'set reconnect' feature is likely to produce a similar behaviour, but it's supposed to be meaningful only in case of outgoing connections, and I've not set it up in my config file. Maybe the introduction of this feature did break the CD-awareness of ppp when running as a server. In fact if I 'kill -HUP' a ppp in the locked state, it logs a 'PPP Terminated (nodial)' event before exiting. Thanks for any hints. Angelo aturetta@stylo.it Sep 17 16:58:22 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: Using interface: tun0 Sep 17 16:58:22 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: Listening at port 3000. Sep 17 16:58:22 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: PPP Started. Sep 17 16:58:22 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: Packet mode enabled Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: NewPhase: Authenticate Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: his = 0, mine = c223 Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: Valsize = 16, Name = oscar Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: NewPhase: Network Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Link: myaddr = 193.76.98.1 hisaddr = 193.76.98.134 Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: Found interface ed1 for proxy arp Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Link: OsLinkup: 193.76.98.134 Sep 17 17:51:16 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: Using interface: tun1 Sep 17 17:51:16 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: Listening at port 3001. Sep 17 17:51:16 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: PPP Started. Sep 17 17:51:16 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: Packet mode enabled Sep 17 17:51:18 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: NewPhase: Authenticate Sep 17 17:51:18 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: his = 0, mine = c223 Sep 17 17:51:19 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: Valsize = 16, Name = oscar Sep 17 17:51:19 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: NewPhase: Network Sep 17 17:51:19 gate1 ppp[214]: Link: myaddr = 193.76.98.1 hisaddr = 193.76.98.134 Sep 17 17:51:19 gate1 ppp[214]: Error: SetIpDevice: ioctl(SIOCAIFADDR): File exists Sep 17 17:54:21 gate1 ppp[213]: Link: OsLinkdown: 193.76.98.134 Sep 17 17:54:21 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: NewPhase: Terminate Sep 17 17:54:24 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: Connected! Sep 17 17:54:24 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: NewPhase: Dead Sep 17 17:54:24 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: PPP Terminated (dead). Sep 17 17:55:47 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: NewPhase: Terminate Sep 17 17:55:50 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: Connected! Sep 17 17:55:50 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: NewPhase: Dead Sep 17 17:55:50 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: PPP Terminated (dead). From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 17 14:22:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA12078 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA12031 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09807; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709172120.OAA09807@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Chuck cc: xiyuan qian , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sorry to ask a freebsd-question question! In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 17 Sep 97 09:17:10 -0400. Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:20:00 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You could also do this, in case you wanted to see ppp that may not be at the end of the line: ps -ax | grep ppp | grep -v grep >Easy! ps -ax | grep 'ppp$' >On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, xiyuan qian wrote: >> Hi, I know "ps -ax | grep ppp" can find the ppp running's pid, but when I do >> that, it sometimes show me >> 616 .... ppp >> 716 .... ps -ax | grep ppp >> or sometimes it only show me >> 616 ....ppp >> Why? How can I deny the "ps -ax | grep ppp" showing out? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 17 16:33:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA18517 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA18492 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA08595; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:33:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:33:13 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: xiyuan@npc.haplink.co.cn, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sorry to ask a freebsd-question question! In-Reply-To: <199709171427.HAA08519@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Why? How can I deny the "ps -ax | grep ppp" showing out? > > > > ps -ax | fgrep ppp | fgrep -v fgrep > > Stop with the silliness, just go get pppd's pid(s) from /var/run/ppp*.pid Sigh! It was late at night.... To find the ppp interface of pppd on ttyd0 'cat /var/run/ttyd0.if' To find the pid of the process 'cat /var/run/ppp5.if' So ---- /usr/local/bin/ppppid------ #!/bin/sh I=`cat /var/run/tty$1.if` cat /var/run/$I.pid -------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 17 17:20:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA21477 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA21449 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 17:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA06996; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:19:23 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709180019.BAA06996@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Angelo Turetta , Tomi Vainio cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Brian Somers Subject: Re: Any reason why 'ppp -direct' might ignore CD transitions? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:37:37 +0200." <31EBCC36B676D01197E400801E0324950568AB@styloserver.stylo.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:19:23 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok, got it (I think). I've updated -current with a change that's available on http://www.freebsd.org/~brian. Can you both try this version (both of you are experiencing the same problem :-O). If things are better, I'll bring it back into 2.2 *very* soon. Thanks. > I'm cc-ing Brian which, reading the latest CVS logs, should be the > maintainer of user mode ppp. My apologies if that's not true. > And BTW, I'm not on this list, so please copy replies to my address. > > I've upgraded my FreeBSD router/terminal server to 2.2-STABLE (it was > running 2.1.0-RELEASE with ppp compiled from the sources of the > 2.2-CURRENT branch dated little more than one year ago, and getty hacked > to implement the :pp: setting in the same way it works now on > 2.2-STABLE) > > I have getty listening to 4 modems, starting usermode 'ppp -direct' > through the :pp: setting of gettytab. All the users have static IP > assigned, that is when they call in the server gives them the IP number > I've put in my ppp.secret file no matter which port they get assigned > to. > > Since I upgraded to RELENG_2_2, ppp fails to recognise carrier loss > every now and then. > On most calls everything goes well, but sometimes after a carrier loss > the link stays up (last event logged: OsLinkup) and ppp doesn't quit. > I suppose this is happening after a client-side timeout, because when > this happens often the same customer calls again in a few minutes. At > that time, if he's assigned a different line, ppp logs an error > 'SetIpDevice: ioctl(SIOCAIFADDR): File exists' and quits. Eventually, > the first ppp (the one locked in the Linkup state) times out too and > exits, which enables the user to call in again. You can find the log > (Carrier Link Phase) of one occurence of the problem attached to this > message (ppp[213] was running for about an hour when the modem hung up: > the user then called back and started ppp[214] which failed to establish > the link because the IP was already in use. ppp[213] terminated only > some minutes after the new connection attempt). > > Please note that I'm sure the user is not trying to connect from two > different modems, as I personally witnessed a case where only 1 modem > was active while 4 ppp processes where running (3 of them in the locked > state). > > While checking ppp.log I've also noticed that if a new call comes on the > same modem the locked ppp is hooked to (thus raising CD again), the old > link is brought down and a new user authentication is executed by the > same instance of ppp (same PID in log file) > > It seems like ppp is trying to wait some time for the carrier to come > back up before terminating. I think this is not the expected behaviour > on a ppp server. > > Is there someone else using user mode ppp on a ppp server? > > I think the 'set reconnect' feature is likely to produce a similar > behaviour, but it's supposed to be meaningful only in case of outgoing > connections, and I've not set it up in my config file. Maybe the > introduction of this feature did break the CD-awareness of ppp when > running as a server. In fact if I 'kill -HUP' a ppp in the locked state, > it logs a 'PPP Terminated (nodial)' event before exiting. > > Thanks for any hints. > > Angelo > aturetta@stylo.it > > > Sep 17 16:58:22 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: Using interface: tun0 > Sep 17 16:58:22 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: Listening at port 3000. > Sep 17 16:58:22 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: PPP Started. > Sep 17 16:58:22 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: Packet mode enabled > Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: NewPhase: Authenticate > Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: his = 0, mine = c223 > Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: Valsize = 16, Name = oscar > Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: NewPhase: Network > Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Link: myaddr = 193.76.98.1 hisaddr = > 193.76.98.134 > Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: Found interface ed1 for proxy arp > Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Link: OsLinkup: 193.76.98.134 > Sep 17 17:51:16 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: Using interface: tun1 > Sep 17 17:51:16 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: Listening at port 3001. > Sep 17 17:51:16 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: PPP Started. > Sep 17 17:51:16 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: Packet mode enabled > Sep 17 17:51:18 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: NewPhase: Authenticate > Sep 17 17:51:18 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: his = 0, mine = c223 > Sep 17 17:51:19 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: Valsize = 16, Name = oscar > Sep 17 17:51:19 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: NewPhase: Network > Sep 17 17:51:19 gate1 ppp[214]: Link: myaddr = 193.76.98.1 hisaddr = > 193.76.98.134 > Sep 17 17:51:19 gate1 ppp[214]: Error: SetIpDevice: ioctl(SIOCAIFADDR): > File exists > Sep 17 17:54:21 gate1 ppp[213]: Link: OsLinkdown: 193.76.98.134 > Sep 17 17:54:21 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: NewPhase: Terminate > Sep 17 17:54:24 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: Connected! > Sep 17 17:54:24 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: NewPhase: Dead > Sep 17 17:54:24 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: PPP Terminated (dead). > Sep 17 17:55:47 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: NewPhase: Terminate > Sep 17 17:55:50 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: Connected! > Sep 17 17:55:50 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: NewPhase: Dead > Sep 17 17:55:50 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: PPP Terminated (dead). -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 18 07:43:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA09931 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 07:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homer.duff-beer.com (mail@homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA09925 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 07:43:04 -0700 (PDT) From: scot@poptart.org Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by homer.duff-beer.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA25046 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:42:58 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:42:57 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: scot@homer.duff-beer.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Exabyte drives Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know of anywhere in the UK that sells reconditioned Exabyte drives? Thanks... Scot From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 18 09:13:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA15771 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gateway.cybernet.com (gateway.cybernet.com [192.245.33.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA15765 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:13:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spiffy.cybernet.com (spiffy.cybernet.com [192.245.33.55]) by gateway.cybernet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA02382 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Cybernet Systems From: "Mark J. Taylor" To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Suggestions on "best" HDLC boards? 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi: =09 I want to setup a mail server like hotmail, I mean is which mail server program can support=20 1 million email box? Or I need a dynamic DNS for it, and database .... Please help me !! Best regards! ----------=CD=F8=D2=D7=D6=D0=CE=C4=CB=D1=D1=B0=D2=FD=C7=E6,=C8=C3=C4=FA=D4= =DA=CD=F8=C2=E7=C9=CF=B2=BB=D4=D9=C3=D4=C3=A3! http://www.yeah.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D William Ding Netease System of Guangzhou email:ding@nease.gznet.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 18 11:40:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA26983 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from intra.vafibre.com ([205.139.223.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA26975 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:40:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from is01 by intra.vafibre.com (Unoverica 2.11a) id 00000130; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:41:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199709181841.00000130@intra.vafibre.com> From: "John Brown" To: Subject: Remote Printing Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:38:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I need to set up my BSD server to print to a printer that is attached to an NT server on my network. Is there any special things that I need to know before attempting to setup this mess. I am fairly new to Unix but have spent some time reading up on remote printing in the handbook. Thanks From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 18 12:29:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA29897 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (root@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA29892 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dream.future.net (tomthai@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by dream.future.net (8.8.6/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA14053; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:27:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:27:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom T. Thai" To: John Brown cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Remote Printing In-Reply-To: <199709181841.00000130@intra.vafibre.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk samba On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, John Brown wrote: > I need to set up my BSD server to print to a printer that is attached to an > NT server on my network. > > Is there any special things that I need to know before attempting to setup > this mess. > > I am fairly new to Unix but have spent some time reading up on remote > printing in the handbook. > > Thanks > > > > .............. .................................... Thomas T. Thai Infomedia Interactive Communications tom@iic.net TEL 612.376.9090 * FAX 612.376.9087 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 18 12:34:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA00379 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from intra.vafibre.com ([205.139.223.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA00365 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from is01 by intra.vafibre.com (Unoverica 2.11a) id 0000015F; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:35:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199709181935.0000015F@intra.vafibre.com> From: "John Brown" To: Subject: Username Alias Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:32:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I want to allow my users to be able to use longer usernames but am limited (as I was told earlier in this group). So is their a way to assign aliases to user login names? (This may be a stupid question but I'm sure that I'm not the only FreeBSD user that has had this need) Thanks From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 18 16:06:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA15917 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA15910 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by user.xtdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA23107 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:23:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:23:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen A. Derdau" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Help Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I hope I am asking the right group ...Please if not can someone point me in the right direction. Is there anyway I can tell which one of my users is trying to send this email to someone. I see a message Id etc. If there is a way to tell who is sending this. Could you please maybe give me some direction so that I can warn or suspend this persons account. Thank You Stephen A. Derdau XTDL inc 10 Chestnut Dr. 603 4714700 "If all is not well then there must be something wrong!" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 19:01:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Mailer-daemon@aol.com To: nobody@xtdl.com Subject: Returned Mail: Undeliverable The mail you sent could not be delivered to: 552 twes1@aol.com has a full mailbox The text you sent follows: >From nobody@xtdl.com Thu Sep 18 00:28:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by mrin42.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with SMTP id AAA19623 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 00:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by user.xtdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA21825; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 00:45:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 00:45:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199709180445.AAA21825@user.xtdl.com> To: Twes1@aol.com From: ICT2@juno.com Subject: 74 Lights You put those damn caps on yourself!!! From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 18 18:35:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA26354 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from npc.haplink.co.cn ([202.96.192.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA26336 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by npc.haplink.co.cn (8.8.4/8.6.9) id JAA15992; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:41:49 GMT Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:41:49 GMT From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199709190941.JAA15992@npc.haplink.co.cn> To: danny@panda.hilink.com.au Subject: Re: Limiting users connect time (+ another little questi Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I have a program 'ifidled' which looks at the packets received on the > user's pppX interface. I'll put it up for ftp this afternoon. > Sorry to disturn you! Can you tell me where I can get the ifiddled. I have searched all the directories at ftp.hilink.com.au but not find it. Can ifidled auto disconnect my ppp dialup? I mean, if there is no packet transfering, the ppp connection can be disconnected automatically! Best regaurds! PS. I have setup a FreeBSD server running ppp dialout to an ISP to get a dynamic IP address, but I can not run ppp -auto ispsite to make the connection auto, it always tell me "you must assign dstaddr to make the connection", why? --xiyuan From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 18 20:42:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA04521 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA04514 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA03065; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:12:02 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970919131201.64155@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:12:01 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: xiyuan qian Cc: danny@panda.hilink.com.au, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Limiting users connect time (+ another little questi References: <199709190941.JAA15992@npc.haplink.co.cn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <199709190941.JAA15992@npc.haplink.co.cn>; from xiyuan qian on Fri, Sep 19, 1997 at 09:41:49AM +0000 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, Sep 19, 1997 at 09:41:49AM +0000, xiyuan qian wrote: > PS. I have setup a FreeBSD server running ppp dialout to an ISP to get a > dynamic IP address, but I can not run ppp -auto ispsite to make the > connection auto, it always tell me "you must assign dstaddr to make the > connection", why? ppp -auto triggers on the destination IP address in the packet. In order for it to work, the packet has to be routed via the PPP interface. In order to set up a route, you need a destination address for the PPP link. In order to do that, you really need static addressing. I'd be interested to know if anybody has been able to set up automatic dialling with a loose destination address (e.g. "I want address 193.2.3.4, but I'll only insist on the first 24 bits). It could work, but I don't know for sure, and I'd *like* to know for sure. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 18 22:11:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA11509 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stevie.loop.net (stevie-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA11501 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from patty.loop.net (patty-inet.loop.net [207.211.60.69]) by stevie.loop.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA09728 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:11:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Cassandra Perkins X-Sender: cassy@patty.loop.net To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Sendmail 8.8.6 and Running Out of Swap Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Since I upgraded from sendmail 8.6.12 to 8.8.6, the systemp started reporting the kernel messages: Sep 18 20:00:42 patty /kernel: swap_pager: out of space Sep 18 20:00:42 patty /kernel: Process 15473 killed by vm_pageout -- out of swap The mail server has 32MB of RAM and 128MB swap. The server doesn't appears any more active than before. Is there a possible bug or option in the new sendmail version that could be causing this problem? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Cassandra M. Perkins | People usually get what's coming to | | Network Operations | them... unless it's been mailed. | | The Loop Internet Switch Co., LLC | -fortune | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 18 22:44:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA13998 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ec.camitel.com (merlin.ec.camitel.com [206.231.123.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA13982 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cfortin@localhost) by ec.camitel.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA03368; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <199709190547.BAA06882@gandalf.ec.camitel.com> Resent-From: Claude Cote Resent-To: cfortin@ec.camitel.com Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:46:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Fortin To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any reason why 'ppp -direct' might ignore CD transitions Cc: brian@awfulhak.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Your patch work with our Cyclom 16y. The CD make his job. :-) Congratulation!!! -----FW: <199709190547.BAA06882@gandalf.ec.camitel.com>----- Subject: Re: Any reason why 'ppp -direct' might ignore CD transitions > Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 01:19:23 +0100 > Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > From: Brian Somers > To: Angelo Turetta , Tomi Vainio > Subject: Re: Any reason why 'ppp -direct' might ignore CD transitions? > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, Brian Somers > > Ok, got it (I think). > > I've updated -current with a change that's available on > http://www.freebsd.org/~brian. Can you both try this version (both > of you are experiencing the same problem :-O). > > If things are better, I'll bring it back into 2.2 *very* soon. > > Thanks. > > > I'm cc-ing Brian which, reading the latest CVS logs, should be the > > maintainer of user mode ppp. My apologies if that's not true. > > And BTW, I'm not on this list, so please copy replies to my address. > > > > I've upgraded my FreeBSD router/terminal server to 2.2-STABLE (it was > > running 2.1.0-RELEASE with ppp compiled from the sources of the > > 2.2-CURRENT branch dated little more than one year ago, and getty hacked > > to implement the :pp: setting in the same way it works now on > > 2.2-STABLE) > > > > I have getty listening to 4 modems, starting usermode 'ppp -direct' > > through the :pp: setting of gettytab. All the users have static IP > > assigned, that is when they call in the server gives them the IP number > > I've put in my ppp.secret file no matter which port they get assigned > > to. > > > > Since I upgraded to RELENG_2_2, ppp fails to recognise carrier loss > > every now and then. > > On most calls everything goes well, but sometimes after a carrier loss > > the link stays up (last event logged: OsLinkup) and ppp doesn't quit. > > I suppose this is happening after a client-side timeout, because when > > this happens often the same customer calls again in a few minutes. At > > that time, if he's assigned a different line, ppp logs an error > > 'SetIpDevice: ioctl(SIOCAIFADDR): File exists' and quits. Eventually, > > the first ppp (the one locked in the Linkup state) times out too and > > exits, which enables the user to call in again. You can find the log > > (Carrier Link Phase) of one occurence of the problem attached to this > > message (ppp[213] was running for about an hour when the modem hung up: > > the user then called back and started ppp[214] which failed to establish > > the link because the IP was already in use. ppp[213] terminated only > > some minutes after the new connection attempt). > > > > Please note that I'm sure the user is not trying to connect from two > > different modems, as I personally witnessed a case where only 1 modem > > was active while 4 ppp processes where running (3 of them in the locked > > state). > > > > While checking ppp.log I've also noticed that if a new call comes on the > > same modem the locked ppp is hooked to (thus raising CD again), the old > > link is brought down and a new user authentication is executed by the > > same instance of ppp (same PID in log file) > > > > It seems like ppp is trying to wait some time for the carrier to come > > back up before terminating. I think this is not the expected behaviour > > on a ppp server. > > > > Is there someone else using user mode ppp on a ppp server? > > > > I think the 'set reconnect' feature is likely to produce a similar > > behaviour, but it's supposed to be meaningful only in case of outgoing > > connections, and I've not set it up in my config file. Maybe the > > introduction of this feature did break the CD-awareness of ppp when > > running as a server. In fact if I 'kill -HUP' a ppp in the locked state, > > it logs a 'PPP Terminated (nodial)' event before exiting. > > > > Thanks for any hints. > > > > Angelo > > aturetta@stylo.it > > > > > > Sep 17 16:58:22 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: Using interface: tun0 > > Sep 17 16:58:22 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: Listening at port 3000. > > Sep 17 16:58:22 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: PPP Started. > > Sep 17 16:58:22 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: Packet mode enabled > > Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: NewPhase: Authenticate > > Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: his = 0, mine = c223 > > Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: Valsize = 16, Name = oscar > > Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: NewPhase: Network > > Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Link: myaddr = 193.76.98.1 hisaddr = > > 193.76.98.134 > > Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: Found interface ed1 for proxy arp > > Sep 17 16:58:25 gate1 ppp[213]: Link: OsLinkup: 193.76.98.134 > > Sep 17 17:51:16 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: Using interface: tun1 > > Sep 17 17:51:16 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: Listening at port 3001. > > Sep 17 17:51:16 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: PPP Started. > > Sep 17 17:51:16 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: Packet mode enabled > > Sep 17 17:51:18 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: NewPhase: Authenticate > > Sep 17 17:51:18 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: his = 0, mine = c223 > > Sep 17 17:51:19 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: Valsize = 16, Name = oscar > > Sep 17 17:51:19 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: NewPhase: Network > > Sep 17 17:51:19 gate1 ppp[214]: Link: myaddr = 193.76.98.1 hisaddr = > > 193.76.98.134 > > Sep 17 17:51:19 gate1 ppp[214]: Error: SetIpDevice: ioctl(SIOCAIFADDR): > > File exists > > Sep 17 17:54:21 gate1 ppp[213]: Link: OsLinkdown: 193.76.98.134 > > Sep 17 17:54:21 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: NewPhase: Terminate > > Sep 17 17:54:24 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: Connected! > > Sep 17 17:54:24 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: NewPhase: Dead > > Sep 17 17:54:24 gate1 ppp[213]: Phase: PPP Terminated (dead). > > Sep 17 17:55:47 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: NewPhase: Terminate > > Sep 17 17:55:50 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: Connected! > > Sep 17 17:55:50 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: NewPhase: Dead > > Sep 17 17:55:50 gate1 ppp[214]: Phase: PPP Terminated (dead). > > -- > Brian , , > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... --------------End of forwarded message------------------------- ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Christian Fortin Date: 19-Sep-97 Heure: 01:46:51 ##############################################--------+ Electro-Conception tel:(418) 872-6641 | 3665 Croisset fax:(418) 872-9198 | Quebec,P.Q. www.ec.camitel.com/ec | G1P-1L4 | /--|<|--WM--|(--J Canada -----------------L---WM-----< \----1 --- - From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 18 23:22:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA16407 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 23:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA16396 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 23:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id PAA03626; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:52:28 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970919155227.30484@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:52:27 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Cassandra Perkins Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail 8.8.6 and Running Out of Swap References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: ; from Cassandra Perkins on Thu, Sep 18, 1997 at 10:11:46PM -0700 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, Sep 18, 1997 at 10:11:46PM -0700, Cassandra Perkins wrote: > Since I upgraded from sendmail 8.6.12 to 8.8.6, the systemp started > reporting the kernel messages: > > Sep 18 20:00:42 patty /kernel: swap_pager: out of space > Sep 18 20:00:42 patty /kernel: Process 15473 killed by vm_pageout -- out > of swap > > The mail server has 32MB of RAM and 128MB swap. The server doesn't > appears any more active than before. Is there a possible bug or option in > the new sendmail version that could be causing this problem? There's no a priori reason to expect that this is related to sendmail; the only thing pointing to is is the upgrade. Take a look at your process sizes (ps and top) and swap space usage (pstat -s). They should point you towards the real culprit. Swap usage seems to be on the increase. A year ago, I got by quite happily with 50 MB on a 32 MB system. Now I have increased memory to 96 MB, but frequently use up to 200 MB swap. I can't make up my mind whether this reflects changes in my habits or changes in the system. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 19 01:10:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA23654 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homer.duff-beer.com (mail@homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA23619 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:09:42 -0700 (PDT) From: scot@poptart.org Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by homer.duff-beer.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA28686; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:07:26 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:07:26 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: scot@homer.duff-beer.com To: Greg Lehey cc: xiyuan qian , danny@panda.hilink.com.au, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Limiting users connect time (+ another little questi In-Reply-To: <19970919131201.64155@lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yes... I've set up a 'ppp -auto' to an ISP that uses dynamic IP addresses... here's the ppp.conf file: default: set device /dev/cuaa0 set speed 115200 disable lqr deny lqr set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" ATZ OK-AT-OK ATE1Q0M0 OK-AT-OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT" set debug phase lcp chat # demand-dial settings for bogomip internet bogo: set phone 01714608200 set login "TIMEOUT 25 name:-\\r-name word: * ppp\\sdefault" set timeout 900 set redial random 10 set ifaddr 195.1.1.1/0 194.1.1.1/0 add 0 0 194.1.1.1 And my ppp.linkup file: bogo: delete ALL add 0 0 HISADDR set debug phase I run PPP with: ppp -alias -auto bogo Then line comes up when I try to ping a host from anywhere on my network to somewheree not on my network - my networked hosts having their default router set to the FreeBSD machine. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott scot@poptart.org Tel: +44 (0)181 9322042 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Fri, Sep 19, 1997 at 09:41:49AM +0000, xiyuan qian wrote: > > PS. I have setup a FreeBSD server running ppp dialout to an ISP to get a > > dynamic IP address, but I can not run ppp -auto ispsite to make the > > connection auto, it always tell me "you must assign dstaddr to make the > > connection", why? > > ppp -auto triggers on the destination IP address in the packet. In > order for it to work, the packet has to be routed via the PPP > interface. In order to set up a route, you need a destination address > for the PPP link. In order to do that, you really need static > addressing. > > I'd be interested to know if anybody has been able to set up automatic > dialling with a loose destination address (e.g. "I want address > 193.2.3.4, but I'll only insist on the first 24 bits). It could work, > but I don't know for sure, and I'd *like* to know for sure. > > Greg > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 19 01:53:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA26374 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@mail.ftf.dk [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA26355 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13058; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:22:25 +0200 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id LAA20364; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:01:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id KAA02218; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:52:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970919105215.49966@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:52:15 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: Greg Lehey Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limiting users connect time (+ another little questi References: <199709190941.JAA15992@npc.haplink.co.cn> <19970919131201.64155@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: Main Body X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <19970919131201.64155@lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Fri, Sep 19, 1997 at 01:12:01PM +0930 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greg Lehey writes: > > I'd be interested to know if anybody has been able to set up automatic > dialling with a loose destination address (e.g. "I want address > 193.2.3.4, but I'll only insist on the first 24 bits). It could work, > but I don't know for sure, and I'd *like* to know for sure. > Yes. Been running that for >1 y+ on a 2.1.7., then 2.2 then 2.2.1 box: ... set ifaddr A.B.C.D/24 234.234.234.10 add 0 0 234.234.234.10 ... where 123.123.123.1/24 is really the class C/pool block you're going to get your IP from (adjust mask appropriately), for example if you get it from the class C 192.168.1.[1-254], then use 192.168.1.1/24. And 234.234.234.10 is the remote IP of the term server. On first packet, ppp dials, gets the real address, kicks out the old one, and sets up a default. I've been doing this with 12-14 boxes in a school with a "one-user" ISDN subscription to the ISP (FreeBSD+squid+ ppp). -- -- Phil -[ Philippe Regnauld / Systems Administrator / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk ]- -[ Location.: +55.4N +11.3E PGP Key: finger regnauld@hotel.prosa.dk ]- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 19 02:48:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA29460 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 02:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA29404 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 02:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24329; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:47:48 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709190947.KAA24329@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Christian Fortin cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, brian@awfulhak.org Subject: Re: Any reason why 'ppp -direct' might ignore CD transitions In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 Sep 1997 01:46:51 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:47:48 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Your patch work with our Cyclom 16y. The CD make his job. :-) > > Congratulation!!! > [.....] Thanks. It's now in RELENG_2_2 for the next release :-) > ---------------------------------- > E-Mail: Christian Fortin > Date: 19-Sep-97 > Heure: 01:46:51 > ##############################################--------+ > Electro-Conception tel:(418) 872-6641 | > 3665 Croisset fax:(418) 872-9198 | > Quebec,P.Q. www.ec.camitel.com/ec | > G1P-1L4 | /--|<|--WM--|(--J > Canada -----------------L---WM-----< > \----1 > --- > - -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 19 03:06:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA00912 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 03:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA00906 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 03:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by user.xtdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA07380; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:22:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:22:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen A. Derdau" To: scot@poptart.org cc: Greg Lehey , xiyuan qian , danny@panda.hilink.com.au, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Limiting users connect time (+ another little questi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I also set mine up similar to this the /0 after the ip address is I belive saying that the ip address may not be correct so get the proper ip address. Stephen A. Derdau XTDL inc 10 Chestnut Dr. 603 4714700 "If all is not well then there must be something wrong!" On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 scot@poptart.org wrote: > Yes... I've set up a 'ppp -auto' to an ISP that uses dynamic IP > addresses... here's the ppp.conf file: > > default: > set device /dev/cuaa0 > set speed 115200 > disable lqr > deny lqr > set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" ATZ OK-AT-OK ATE1Q0M0 OK-AT-OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT" > set debug phase lcp chat > > # demand-dial settings for bogomip internet > bogo: > set phone 01714608200 > set login "TIMEOUT 25 name:-\\r-name word: * ppp\\sdefault" > set timeout 900 > set redial random 10 > set ifaddr 195.1.1.1/0 194.1.1.1/0 > add 0 0 194.1.1.1 > > > And my ppp.linkup file: > > bogo: > delete ALL > add 0 0 HISADDR > set debug phase > > > > I run PPP with: > ppp -alias -auto bogo > > Then line comes up when I try to ping a host from anywhere on my network > to somewheree not on my network - my networked hosts having their default > router set to the FreeBSD machine. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Scot Elliott scot@poptart.org Tel: +44 (0)181 9322042 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org > or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html > > > On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 19, 1997 at 09:41:49AM +0000, xiyuan qian wrote: > > > PS. I have setup a FreeBSD server running ppp dialout to an ISP to get a > > > dynamic IP address, but I can not run ppp -auto ispsite to make the > > > connection auto, it always tell me "you must assign dstaddr to make the > > > connection", why? > > > > ppp -auto triggers on the destination IP address in the packet. In > > order for it to work, the packet has to be routed via the PPP > > interface. In order to set up a route, you need a destination address > > for the PPP link. In order to do that, you really need static > > addressing. > > > > I'd be interested to know if anybody has been able to set up automatic > > dialling with a loose destination address (e.g. "I want address > > 193.2.3.4, but I'll only insist on the first 24 bits). It could work, > > but I don't know for sure, and I'd *like* to know for sure. > > > > Greg > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 19 05:34:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA08455 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 05:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thecore.com (sfinn@guardian.thecore.com [206.136.149.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA08449 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 05:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sfinn@localhost) by thecore.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA03763; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:34:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Shaun To: Greg Lehey cc: Cassandra Perkins , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail 8.8.6 and Running Out of Swap In-Reply-To: <19970919155227.30484@lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 1997 at 10:11:46PM -0700, Cassandra Perkins wrote: > > Since I upgraded from sendmail 8.6.12 to 8.8.6, the systemp started > > reporting the kernel messages: > > > > Sep 18 20:00:42 patty /kernel: swap_pager: out of space > > Sep 18 20:00:42 patty /kernel: Process 15473 killed by vm_pageout -- out > > of swap > > > > The mail server has 32MB of RAM and 128MB swap. The server doesn't > > appears any more active than before. Is there a possible bug or option in > > the new sendmail version that could be causing this problem? > > There's no a priori reason to expect that this is related to sendmail; > the only thing pointing to is is the upgrade. Take a look at your > process sizes (ps and top) and swap space usage (pstat -s). They > should point you towards the real culprit. > > Swap usage seems to be on the increase. A year ago, I got by quite > happily with 50 MB on a 32 MB system. Now I have increased memory to > 96 MB, but frequently use up to 200 MB swap. I can't make up my mind > whether this reflects changes in my habits or changes in the system. I experienced a similiar problem about a week ago. Same complaint on the console with sendmail and out of swap. It actually turned out to be procmail attempting to deliver a 40MB email. Once I removed the large message from the mailq everything went back to normal. +------------------- http://www.download.net ----------------------+ | Shaun M. Finn TechnoCore Communications, Inc. | | sfinn@thecore.com Internet Web Services & Access | | VOICE: (732)928-7400 P.O. Box 106 | | FAX: (732)928-7402 Jackson, NJ 08527-0106 | +------------------- http://www.thecore.com/ ----------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 19 06:42:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA12406 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.aus.sig.net (austin.sig.net [199.1.78.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA12400 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.aus.sig.net (austin.sig.net [199.1.78.2]) by austin.aus.sig.net (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA29583; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:39:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:39:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Thad Smith X-Sender: tsmith@austin.aus.sig.net To: John Brown cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Username Alias In-Reply-To: <199709181935.0000015F@intra.vafibre.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, John Brown wrote: > I want to allow my users to be able to use longer usernames but am limited > (as I was told earlier in this group). So is their a way to assign aliases > to user login names? Check out the file /etc/aliases. In this file you can create aliases under the format alias_name: user_name Where you decide the alias_name and point it to the user_name. You can alse do multiple user names (seperated by a ,) and some other cool stuff. After saving the file type 'newaliases' at the command prompt. Thad > (This may be a stupid question but I'm sure that I'm not the only FreeBSD > user that has had this need) > > Thanks > > > ___________________"We make the Internet work."___________________ Thad Smith tsmith@sig.net Technical Support helpdesk@sig.net SigNet Partners Inc. http://www.sig.net 512.306.0700 800.396.5158 fax: 512.306.0702 Tell us what you think; use the reply form at the address above! __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 19 08:47:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA19776 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA19765 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:47:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA25988; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:01:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:01:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Lynch Reply-To: Jeff Lynch To: Thad Smith cc: John Brown , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Username Alias In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Note, of course, this affects only email addresses. The user still must use his 8 char logname for login, POP account and personal web directories (at least if using NCSA or Apache web server) to keep things simple. We use a default entry for RADIUS and use the Unix password database as well. We thought about doing this, but just about ANYBODY can buy a computer nowadays and we decided it was preferable to have ONE user identification string for all the services. We do provide aliases in special cases, but usually for someone who has multiple accounts and home, work, AOL etc and wants to read mail at the same place all the time. My opinion, doing this will be a headache in the future. You may not see it now, but things like this can get tiresome and be a real pain in the a** to eliminate later _when_ you find it less desirable. But then an alias for someone who _really_ wants it could provide additional income :) ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Thad Smith wrote: > On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, John Brown wrote: > > > I want to allow my users to be able to use longer usernames but am limited > > (as I was told earlier in this group). So is their a way to assign aliases > > to user login names? > > Check out the file /etc/aliases. In this file you can create aliases under > the format > > alias_name: user_name > > Where you decide the alias_name and point it to the user_name. You can > alse do multiple user names (seperated by a ,) and some other cool stuff. > After saving the file type 'newaliases' at the command prompt. > > Thad > > > (This may be a stupid question but I'm sure that I'm not the only FreeBSD > > user that has had this need) > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > ___________________"We make the Internet work."___________________ > Thad Smith tsmith@sig.net > Technical Support helpdesk@sig.net > SigNet Partners Inc. http://www.sig.net > 512.306.0700 800.396.5158 fax: 512.306.0702 > Tell us what you think; use the reply form at the address above! > __________________________________________________________________ > >