From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Sep 1 10:26:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA10768 for mobile-outgoing; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 10:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from public.bta.net.cn (public.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA10760 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 10:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monet ([202.98.99.150]) by public.bta.net.cn (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA01569 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 01:26:31 +0900 (CDT) Message-ID: <340AFA4E.40B0@public.bta.net.cn> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 01:24:30 +0800 From: Yong Liu Reply-To: yongliu@public.bta.net.cn Organization: Unisoft Technology Co. Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [Fwd: Notebook Problem] Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) by public.bta.net.cn (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26723; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:52:50 +0900 (CDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA23353; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 02:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA23184 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 02:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from public.bta.net.cn (public.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA23178 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 02:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monet ([202.98.99.165]) by public.bta.net.cn (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA24799 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:31:21 +0900 (CDT) Message-ID: <34069651.330E@public.bta.net.cn> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:28:49 +0800 From: Yong Liu Reply-To: yongliu@public.bta.net.cn Organization: Unisoft Technology Co. Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Notebook Problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm running FreeBSD 2.2.2 on a Twinhead 9133TZ notebook PC w/ the folloing configuration: Pentium 133/16M Memory/1.3G HD 12.1" TFT Display (Supports 800x600 at 60Hz non-interlaced) Trident Cyber 9385 card (2M memory) I also have a NE-2000 compatible PCMCIA card inserted into slot 1 into the PCMCIA dock. This dock has a Cirrus Logic PCMCIA controller built-in. The poblem I encountered are: 1. I could not make the PCMCIA recognized by FreeBSD. I reconfigured the kernel to include the PCCARD controllers and devices according the LINT config template. I also added the ed0 driver. It complains that "/dev/card0 not configured." when I run the "pccardc" command. BTW, this PCMCIA card really works fine under Win95. If changing the card may overcome this problem, I have a D-Link DE650 PCMCIA ethernet card at hand. 2. I have installed the XFree86 3.3.1 on my notebook. It runs good under the VGA16 mode when I set the following config: Video: VGA Chipset: Generic Card: Unsupported VGA Monitor: Standard 640x480 H-Refresh: 35.4 V-Refresh: 50-90 If I set the chipset to cyber938x, the screen gets a very low resolution with big dots. I tried the following configuration too: Video: SVGA Chipset: cyber938x Card: Trident TGUI9680 (generic) Monitor: Extended Super VGA (800x600 at 60Hz ...) H-Refresh: 31.5,35.4,... V-Refresh: 50-130 An what I got was a black screen after the "startx" command. But when I tried to switch between ttyv9 (graphic) and other ttys using the "CTL-ALT-F?" key combinations, I could see the xterm and xclock windows for a very short time (about 0.1 sec) and the screen went black again. I have read all the on-line documents, readmes and tried almost anything I could think out of. Could anybody give me some hints on these strange stuff? Or is FreeBSD is not so good as other free UNIX clones like Linux ? Your happy or bad experiences with FreeBSD on a notebook are also highly welcomed. Thank you in advance. From owner-freebsd-mobile Mon Sep 1 14:35:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA21260 for mobile-outgoing; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 14:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.image.dk (root@mailmain.image.dk [194.234.57.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA21255 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 14:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from image.dk (pm6-19.image.dk [194.234.173.83]) by mail.image.dk (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA17158; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 23:36:02 +0200 Message-ID: <33BAE54E.E38A4060@image.dk> Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 01:33:35 +0200 From: Jan Henrik Radl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02b7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: yongliu@public.bta.net.cn CC: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Fwd: Notebook Problem] References: <340AFA4E.40B0@public.bta.net.cn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yong Liu wrote: > Subject: Notebook Problem > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:28:49 +0800 > From: Yong Liu > Organization: Unisoft Technology Co. Ltd. > To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > I'm running FreeBSD 2.2.2 on a Twinhead 9133TZ notebook PC w/ the > folloing configuration: > > Pentium 133/16M Memory/1.3G HD > > 12.1" TFT Display (Supports 800x600 at 60Hz non-interlaced) > Trident Cyber 9385 card (2M memory) > > I also have a NE-2000 compatible PCMCIA card inserted into slot 1 into > the PCMCIA dock. This dock has a Cirrus Logic PCMCIA controller > built-in. > > The poblem I encountered are: > > 1. I could not make the PCMCIA recognized by FreeBSD. I reconfigured the > kernel to include the PCCARD controllers and devices according the LINT > config template. I also added the ed0 driver. It complains that > "/dev/card0 not configured." when I run the "pccardc" command. BTW, this > PCMCIA card really works fine under Win95. If changing the card may > overcome this problem, I have a D-Link DE650 PCMCIA ethernet card at > hand. > > 2. I have installed the XFree86 3.3.1 on my notebook. It runs good under > the VGA16 mode when I set the following config: > > Video: VGA > Chipset: Generic > Card: Unsupported VGA > Monitor: Standard 640x480 > H-Refresh: 35.4 > V-Refresh: 50-90 > > If I set the chipset to cyber938x, the screen gets a very low resolution > with big dots. > > I tried the following configuration too: > > Video: SVGA > Chipset: cyber938x > Card: Trident TGUI9680 (generic) > Monitor: Extended Super VGA (800x600 at 60Hz ...) > H-Refresh: 31.5,35.4,... > V-Refresh: 50-130 > I'd a simlar problem with my ThinkPad 760EL, do you have the extend VGA to fullscreen option set? If so try disabling it - it worked for me! > An what I got was a black screen after the "startx" command. But when I > tried to switch between ttyv9 (graphic) and other ttys using the > "CTL-ALT-F?" key combinations, I could see the xterm and xclock windows > for a very short time (about 0.1 sec) and the screen went black again. > > I have read all the on-line documents, readmes and tried almost anything > I could think out of. > > Could anybody give me some hints on these strange stuff? Or is FreeBSD > is not so good as other free UNIX clones like Linux ? Your happy or bad > experiences with FreeBSD on a notebook are also highly welcomed. > On my ThinkPad 760EL it works great with 2.2.1 and PAO. Allmost everything besides my token-ring PCCARD works. > Thank you in advance. WYL Jan Henrik Radl From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Sep 2 01:15:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA24249 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 01:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kiste-5.ki.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de (kiste-5.ki.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de [141.2.5.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA24244 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 01:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709020815.BAA24244@hub.freebsd.org> Received: by kiste-5.ki.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24918; Tue, 2 Sep 97 10:15:15 +0200 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 97 10:15:15 +0200 From: Marko Schuetz To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [Fwd: Notebook Problem] In-Reply-To: <340AFA4E.40B0@public.bta.net.cn> References: <340AFA4E.40B0@public.bta.net.cn> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.66) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Yong" == Yong Liu writes: [..] Yong> The poblem I encountered are: Yong> 1. I could not make the PCMCIA recognized by FreeBSD. I reconfigured the Yong> kernel to include the PCCARD controllers and devices according the LINT Yong> config template. I also added the ed0 driver. It complains that Yong> "/dev/card0 not configured." when I run the "pccardc" command. BTW, this Yong> PCMCIA card really works fine under Win95. If changing the card may Yong> overcome this problem, I have a D-Link DE650 PCMCIA ethernet card at Yong> hand. Try 'dmesg'. What does it say about pcic at boot? Yong> Could anybody give me some hints on these strange stuff? Or is FreeBSD Yong> is not so good as other free UNIX clones like Linux ? Your happy or bad Yong> experiences with FreeBSD on a notebook are also highly welcomed. I use FreeBSD 2.2.1 on a Toshiba Portege 610CT with a D-Link 650 and a Megahertz i3288 and am quite happy with it. There is an occasional rough edge, but much less so than on some commercial unices I have had to use and/or administrate. You cannot quite compare it to Linux. You could compare it to a particular Linux distribution. Some distributions move towards the RPM packaging format, which I dislike because it makes it necessary to use specific rpm-tools to handle these packages: you can not easily use these RPM packages with standard unix tools. I found this very annoying, when I tried to unpack some files from a package without installing an rpm database on my system. Obviously, if you install a distribution that uses rpm and you do your standard tasks with it, you will not encounter this. Still, I think the FreeBSD packaging is much more elegant since it uses standard tools in a transparent way. This is an impression that I often find supported when looking at how some functionality is achieved in FreeBSD. Marko From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Sep 2 06:46:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA06716 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from public.bta.net.cn (public.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA06706 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 06:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monet ([202.98.99.230]) by public.bta.net.cn (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA24978; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:45:24 +0900 (CDT) Message-ID: <340C17EF.547A@public.bta.net.cn> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 21:43:11 +0800 From: Yong Liu Reply-To: yongliu@public.bta.net.cn Organization: Unisoft Technology Co. Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marko Schuetz CC: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Fwd: Notebook Problem] References: <340AFA4E.40B0@public.bta.net.cn> <199709020815.BAA24244@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Marko, Thank you for your hints. Here is the output of 'dmesg'. Could you please give me your kernel configuration under the /sys/i386/config/ directory ? It seems that FreeBSD has recognized the PCMCIA controller. (Am I right ?) BTW, when running Windows NT 3.51 on my notebook, it says there's a PCMCIA-PCI bridge controller found. When I run 'pccardc pcmcis', it says '0 Slots found'. Regards. Yong Liu -------------------------------------- CUT HERE ------------------------------------------------- Copyright (c) 1992-1997 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE #0: Thu Aug 28 03:09:30 CST 1997 root@monet.lab.unisoft.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/MONET CPU: Pentium (133.22-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping=12 Features=0x1bf real memory = 16777216 (16384K bytes) avail memory = 14684160 (14340K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0 rev 0 on pci0:0 chip1 rev 1 on pci0:1:0 chip2 rev 1 int a irq 14 on pci0:1:1 vga0 rev 211 int a irq ?? on pci0:17 chip3 rev 254 int a irq ?? on pci0:19 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <10 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> pccard driver ed added ed0 not found at 0x280 Driver ed already loaded ed1 not found at 0x300 pccard driver sio added sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A sio2 at 0x3e8-0x3ef irq 10 on isa sio2: type 16550A sio3: disabled, not probed. lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface lpt1: disabled, not probed. fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 1287MB (2636928 sectors), 2616 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 on isa wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, accel, dma, iordy wcd0: 1722Kb/sec, 128Kb cache, audio play, 255 volume levels, ejectable tray wcd0: no disc inside, unlocked npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface apm0: disabled, not probed. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Sep 2 08:01:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA10341 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp20.portal.net.au [202.12.71.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA10335 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.smith.net.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA00700; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:29:25 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199709021459.AAA00700@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: yongliu@public.bta.net.cn cc: Marko Schuetz , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Notebook Problem] In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 02 Sep 1997 21:43:11 +0800." <340C17EF.547A@public.bta.net.cn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 00:29:21 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > It seems that FreeBSD has recognized the PCMCIA controller. (Am I right > ?) No, there is no PCCARD controller in the list you gave. You should have the following in your kernel configuration : # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support controller crd0 device pcic0 at crd? device pcic1 at crd? mike From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Sep 2 08:36:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA12349 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA12340 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA22176; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:36:21 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:36:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709021536.JAA22176@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: yongliu@public.bta.net.cn, Marko Schuetz , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Notebook Problem] In-Reply-To: <199709021459.AAA00700@word.smith.net.au> References: <340C17EF.547A@public.bta.net.cn> <199709021459.AAA00700@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > It seems that FreeBSD has recognized the PCMCIA controller. (Am I right > > ?) > > No, there is no PCCARD controller in the list you gave. You should > have the following in your kernel configuration : > > # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support > controller crd0 > device pcic0 at crd? > device pcic1 at crd? I suspect the controller line is in the config file, it's just not recognized since it's a CardBus machine. PAO has some funky patches that do recognize the controller, although they are architecturally weak. Nate From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Sep 2 16:12:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA03811 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org (pm0-45.sba1.avtel.net [207.71.218.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA03781 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dburr@localhost) by DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA01022; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:12:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: DonaldBurr.DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org: dburr owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:12:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Burr X-Sender: dburr@DonaldBurr.DonaldBurr.dyn.ml.org To: Yong Liu cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Fwd: Notebook Problem] In-Reply-To: <340AFA4E.40B0@public.bta.net.cn> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to the Linux people, this is due to a compatibility issue between XFree86 and DPMS (e.g. Advanced Power Management (APM) feature that shuts down power to the display screen). Upgrading to XFree86-3.3.1 (available now at ftp://ftp.Xfree86.org/), or disabling display blanking in your APM BIOS should solve the problem. From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Sep 2 17:16:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA05980 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axon.elec.uq.edu.au (wood@axon.elec.uq.edu.au [130.102.96.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA05968 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from wood@localhost) by axon.elec.uq.edu.au (8.8.5/8.6.12) id KAA09775 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:16:23 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Wood Message-Id: <199709030016.KAA09775@axon.elec.uq.edu.au> Subject: Stuck installing PAO on Acernote Light To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:16:22 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, we are having trouble getting the PAO package to work with our Acernote Light P100. Current status: FreeBSD: 2.2.2 RELEASE#0 Installed PAO-970616 by hand, following the 10 steps in the README. Both the kernel and pccardd detect cards being inserted, removed from both slots, with slightly different results (output at end of this message). We are unable to get the CIS data from our cards, and hence our /etc/pccard.conf is ignored, regardless of it's correctness (?). We wish to get 2 cards working - an SMC EtherEZ 8020BT ethernet card and a Netcomm (Australian) modem card. Current kernel messages (via dmesg): (I cut out some irrelevant bits) We notice that we do not seem to have eg: "pccard driver ed added" which Yong Liu reports. Copyright (c) 1992-1997 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE #0: Wed Aug 13 21:58:50 EST 1997 root@wing-yee.Makefile.ORG:/usr/src/sys/compile/NERVE Calibrating clock(s) ... i586 clock: 100230399 Hz, i8254 clock: 1193221 Hz CPU: Pentium (100.23-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x570 Stepping=0 Features=0x1bf real memory = 16777216 (16384K bytes) avail memory = 14716928 (14372K bytes) Initializing PC-card drivers: ed ep fe sn wlp sio wdc pcibus_setup(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x00000000 pcibus_setup(1a): mode1res=0x00000001 (0x80000000) pcibus_check: device 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 -- nothing found pcibus_setup(1b): mode1res=0x80000000 (0xff000001) pcibus_check: device 0 is there (id=151110b9) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices. chip0 rev 4 on pci0:0 chip1 rev 164 on pci0:2 vga0 rev 0 on pci0:6 pci0:8: ACER Labs, device=0x5215, class=storage (ide) [no driver assigned] map(10): io(01f0) map(14): io(03f4) pci0: uses 8388608 bytes of memory from fe000000 upto fe7fffff. pci0: uses 1024 bytes of I/O space from fc00 upto ffff. Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 not found at 0x280 ed1 not found at 0x300 fe0 not found at 0x300 fe1 not found at 0x300 sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 not found at 0x2f8 sio2 not found at 0x3e8 lpt0 at 0x3bc-0x3c3 irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface psm0: current command byte:0065 psm0: status after reset 00 02 64 psm: status 00 00 64 (get_mouse_buttons) psm0: status 00 02 64 psm0 at 0x60-0x64 irq 12 on motherboard psm0: device ID 0, 2 buttons fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 775MB (1587600 sectors), 1575 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ep0 not found at 0x300 ep1 not found at 0x300 sn0 not found at 0x300 sn1 not found at 0x300 wlp0 not found at 0x300 wlp0: disabled, not probed. npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface apm0: disabled, not probed. imasks: bio c0004040, tty c0031092, net c0020000 PC-Card Cirrus Logic PD672X (5 mem & 2 I/O windows) pcic: controller irq 3 Device configuration finished. configure() finished. Card inserted, slot 0 Results of inserting & removing the 2 cards in slots 0 & 1: Slot 0: (Netcomm 33.6 Modem Card inserted: ) Sep 3 10:58:35 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 0 Sep 3 10:58:35 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 0 Sep 3 10:58:38 nerve pccardd[234]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)") Sep 3 10:58:38 nerve pccardd[234]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)") # pccardc dumpcis Configuration data for card in slot 0 Tuple #1, code = 0xff (Terminator), length = 0 2 slots found (Netcomm 33.6 Modem Card removed: ) # Sep 3 10:59:37 nerve /kernel: Card removed, slot 0 Sep 3 10:59:37 nerve /kernel: Card removed, slot 0 (SMC Ether EZ Ethernet card inserted: ) Sep 3 10:59:48 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 0 Sep 3 10:59:48 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 0 Sep 3 10:59:51 nerve pccardd[33]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)") Sep 3 10:59:51 nerve pccardd[33]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)") # pccardc dumpcis Configuration data for card in slot 0 Tuple #1, code = 0xff (Terminator), length = 0 2 slots found Slot 1: (Netcomm 33.6 Modem Card inserted: ) Sep 3 10:51:15 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 1 Sep 3 10:51:15 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 1 Sep 3 10:51:19 nerve pccardd[234]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)") Sep 3 10:51:19 nerve pccardd[234]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)") # pccardc dumpcis Configuration data for card in slot 1 2 slots found (Netcomm 33.6 Modem Card removed: ) # Sep 3 10:52:51 nerve /kernel: Card removed, slot 1 Sep 3 10:52:51 nerve /kernel: Card removed, slot 1 (SMC Ether EZ Ethernet card inserted: ) Sep 3 10:53:00 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 1 Sep 3 10:53:00 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 1 Sep 3 10:53:04 nerve pccardd[33]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)") Sep 3 10:53:04 nerve pccardd[33]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)") # pccardc dumpcis Code 51 not found Code 51 not found code Unknown ignored (this gets repeated 20 times, followed by: ) Configuration data for card in slot 1 Tuple #1, code = 0x0 (Null tuple), length = 51 000: 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 010: 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 020: 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 030: 33 33 33 (also repeated for Tuple #2,...,#20) 2 slots found any suggestions ? thanks, Ian Wood. wood@elec.uq.edu.au From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Sep 2 17:42:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA06898 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp20.portal.net.au [202.12.71.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA06889 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 17:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.smith.net.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02140; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:10:32 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199709030040.KAA02140@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Ian Wood cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stuck installing PAO on Acernote Light In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Sep 1997 10:16:22 +1000." <199709030016.KAA09775@axon.elec.uq.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 10:10:29 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > we are having trouble getting the PAO package to work with > our Acernote Light P100. Current status: Previous experience with Acer notebooks indicates that they aren't always the easiest to work with. The last one I had my head inside had an Omega Micro PCIC. Omega are now owned by Trident, but there didn't appear to be any documentation available on the part in question. > Both the kernel and pccardd detect cards being inserted, > removed from both slots, with slightly different results (output at > end of this message). This looks promising. > We are unable to get the CIS data from our cards, and hence our > /etc/pccard.conf is ignored, regardless of it's correctness (?). Are you in a position to add/enable extra debugging in the pcic support code? > PC-Card Cirrus Logic PD672X (5 mem & 2 I/O windows) OK, so it looks something like a "normal" pcic. > # pccardc dumpcis > Configuration data for card in slot 0 > Tuple #1, code = 0xff (Terminator), length = 0 > 2 slots found It looks like there's nothing there; either the CIS reading technique isn't working, or the pcic in question isn't compatible. Is this system a mixed pcic/CardBus system? If so, which mode is it in? > (SMC Ether EZ Ethernet card inserted: ) > > Sep 3 10:53:00 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 1 > Sep 3 10:53:00 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 1 > Sep 3 10:53:04 nerve pccardd[33]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)") > Sep 3 10:53:04 nerve pccardd[33]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)") > # pccardc dumpcis > Code 51 not found > Code 51 not found > code Unknown ignored > (this gets repeated 20 times, followed by: ) > Configuration data for card in slot 1 > Tuple #1, code = 0x0 (Null tuple), length = 51 > 000: 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 > 010: 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 > 020: 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 > 030: 33 33 33 > (also repeated for Tuple #2,...,#20) > 2 slots found That's a bit weirder, but still basically means that it's not reading the CIS in any useful fashion... mike From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Sep 2 20:34:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA13545 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA13540 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 20:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA25106; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:33:55 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:33:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709030333.VAA25106@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Ian Wood Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stuck installing PAO on Acernote Light In-Reply-To: <199709030016.KAA09775@axon.elec.uq.edu.au> References: <199709030016.KAA09775@axon.elec.uq.edu.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > FreeBSD: 2.2.2 RELEASE#0 > Installed PAO-970616 by hand, following the 10 steps in the README. So far so good. > We are unable to get the CIS data from our cards, and hence our > /etc/pccard.conf is ignored, regardless of it's correctness (?). Did you do a pccardc dumpcis as mentioned in the PAO README/FAQ? Also, what does /etc/pccard.conf look like? Is pccardd running? > We notice that we do not seem to have eg: "pccard driver ed added" > which Yong Liu reports. I think it's changed in the PAO code. > Slot 0: > (Netcomm 33.6 Modem Card inserted: ) > > Sep 3 10:58:35 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 0 > Sep 3 10:58:35 nerve /kernel: Card inserted, slot 0 > Sep 3 10:58:38 nerve pccardd[234]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)") > Sep 3 10:58:38 nerve pccardd[234]: No card in database for "(null)"("(null)") Obviously pccardd is running, so that's one theory shot down. > # pccardc dumpcis > Configuration data for card in slot 0 > Tuple #1, code = 0xff (Terminator), length = 0 > 2 slots found That's it? That is all of the data you get back? Something is definitely hosed up, either in the bits supporting your controller (I suspect), or in the computer. I very much doubt the latter. > # pccardc dumpcis > Code 51 not found > Code 51 not found > code Unknown ignored > (this gets repeated 20 times, followed by: ) > Configuration data for card in slot 1 > Tuple #1, code = 0x0 (Null tuple), length = 51 > 000: 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 > 010: 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 > 020: 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 33 > 030: 33 33 33 > (also repeated for Tuple #2,...,#20) > 2 slots found > > any suggestions ? Use Linux? (I hate saying that, but so far no champion has been found, although I have it on good faith that resources are being allocated for one.) Nate From owner-freebsd-mobile Tue Sep 2 21:22:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA15795 for mobile-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nico.telstra.net (nico.telstra.net [139.130.204.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA15790 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by nico.telstra.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id OAA20940; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:21:42 +1000 Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id NAA08543; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:51:34 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970903135134.62841@lemis.com> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:51:34 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Ian Wood Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stuck installing PAO on Acernote Light References: <199709030016.KAA09775@axon.elec.uq.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <199709030016.KAA09775@axon.elec.uq.edu.au>; from Ian Wood on Wed, Sep 03, 1997 at 10:16:22AM +1000 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Sep 03, 1997 at 10:16:22AM +1000, Ian Wood wrote: > Hi, > we are having trouble getting the PAO package to work with > our Acernote Light P100. My sympathies. I went through this last December. > Current status: > > FreeBSD: 2.2.2 RELEASE#0 > Installed PAO-970616 by hand, following the 10 steps in the README. > > Both the kernel and pccardd detect cards being inserted, > removed from both slots, with slightly different results (output at > end of this message). > > We are unable to get the CIS data from our cards, and hence our > /etc/pccard.conf is ignored, regardless of it's correctness (?). This looks like the problem I had. > We wish to get 2 cards working - an SMC EtherEZ 8020BT ethernet card > and a Netcomm (Australian) modem card. > > Current kernel messages (via dmesg): > (I cut out some irrelevant bits) > > We notice that we do not seem to have eg: "pccard driver ed added" > which Yong Liu reports. > > Copyright (c) 1992-1997 FreeBSD Inc. > Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > > FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE #0: Wed Aug 13 21:58:50 EST 1997 > root@wing-yee.Makefile.ORG:/usr/src/sys/compile/NERVE > Calibrating clock(s) ... i586 clock: 100230399 Hz, i8254 clock: 1193221 Hz > CPU: Pentium (100.23-MHz 586-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x570 Stepping=0 > Features=0x1bf > real memory = 16777216 (16384K bytes) > avail memory = 14716928 (14372K bytes) > Initializing PC-card drivers: ed ep fe sn wlp sio wdc > pcibus_setup(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x00000000 > pcibus_setup(1a): mode1res=0x00000001 (0x80000000) > pcibus_check: device 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 -- nothing found > pcibus_setup(1b): mode1res=0x80000000 (0xff000001) > pcibus_check: device 0 is there (id=151110b9) > Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: > configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices. > chip0 rev 4 on pci0:0 > chip1 rev 164 on pci0:2 These two are the same as on my machine: chip0 rev 4 on pci0:0 chip1 rev 164 on pci0:2 > vga0 rev 0 on pci0:6 > pci0:8: ACER Labs, device=0x5215, class=storage (ide) [no driver assigned] pci0:8: ACER Labs, device=0x5215, class=storage (ide) [no driver assigned] > map(10): io(01f0) > map(14): io(03f4) > pci0: uses 8388608 bytes of memory from fe000000 upto fe7fffff. > pci0: uses 1024 bytes of I/O space from fc00 upto ffff. > Probing for devices on the ISA bus: > sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> > ed0 not found at 0x280 > ed1 not found at 0x300 > fe0 not found at 0x300 > fe1 not found at 0x300 > sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa > sio0: type 16550A > sio1 not found at 0x2f8 > sio2 not found at 0x3e8 > lpt0 at 0x3bc-0x3c3 irq 7 on isa > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > lp0: TCP/IP capable interface > psm0: current command byte:0065 > psm0: status after reset 00 02 64 > psm: status 00 00 64 (get_mouse_buttons) > psm0: status 00 02 64 > psm0 at 0x60-0x64 irq 12 on motherboard > psm0: device ID 0, 2 buttons > fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa > fdc0: NEC 72065B > fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in > wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa > wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): > wd0: 775MB (1587600 sectors), 1575 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wd0: 516MB (1058400 sectors), 1050 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S > ep0 not found at 0x300 > ep1 not found at 0x300 > sn0 not found at 0x300 > sn1 not found at 0x300 > wlp0 not found at 0x300 > wlp0: disabled, not probed. > npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard > npx0: INT 16 interface > apm0: disabled, not probed. > imasks: bio c0004040, tty c0031092, net c0020000 > PC-Card Cirrus Logic PD672X (5 mem & 2 I/O windows) > pcic: controller irq 3 > Device configuration finished. > configure() finished. > Card inserted, slot 0 This looks like pretty much the same machine. I haven't included comparisons of the other messages, because I'm running a 3.0-CURRENT kernel as of last December, and without PCCARD support. I went through a lot of trouble with this box when I bought it, and finally established that the bridge is not supported. On the other hand, the only PCMCIA card I wanted to use was the 3Com 3C589C, and it turned out that the standard 3.0-CURRENT kernel recognized it, so that's what I'm using. I suppose you could try the same and hope that it recognizes both of your devices. Greg From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Sep 3 02:52:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA03471 for mobile-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 02:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from polya.blah.org (slmel3p06.ozemail.com.au [203.108.201.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA03466 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 02:52:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ada@localhost) by polya.blah.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) id TAA00337; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:52:39 +1000 (EST) From: Ada T Lim Message-Id: <199709030952.TAA00337@polya.blah.org> Subject: half-width displays To: mobile@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:52:39 +1000 (EST) Cc: trident@xfree86.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've _finally_ gotten X to work on my Thinkpad 760EL, however I've been having problems with 16bpp mode. As it only has 1mb of video ram, I cannot use XAA with it in 16bpp mode. As such, in 16bpp mode, all pixels are double-width, and the screen only displays the left hand side of the display. Vertical pixels are unaltered - as such all objects are distorted. The machine uses Trident's Cyber9320 chipset and has a TFT screen. Has anyone else suffered such problems? Ada From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Sep 3 04:21:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA06501 for mobile-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 04:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net (relay-7.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA06485 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 04:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arkady.pinacl.co.uk ([194.33.47.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1526201; 3 Sep 97 11:10 BST From: Alan Hourihane To: trident@xfree86.org, mobile@freebsd.org MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at punt-2.mail.demon.net Cc: trident@xfree86.org MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at punt-2.mail.demon.net Subject: Re: half-width displays Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:03:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Message-ID: <873281430.1526201.0@arkady.pinacl.co.uk> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Basically the Trident chipset support for laptops is incomplete. We need someone to volunteer and fix these outstanding bugs. Alan. -----Original Message----- From: Ada T Lim To: mobile@freebsd.org Cc: trident@XFree86.Org Date: 03 September 1997 11:53 Subject: half-width displays >I've _finally_ gotten X to work on my Thinkpad 760EL, however I've been >having problems with 16bpp mode. As it only has 1mb of video ram, I cannot >use XAA with it in 16bpp mode. > >As such, in 16bpp mode, all pixels are double-width, and the screen >only displays the left hand side of the display. Vertical pixels are unaltered >- as such all objects are distorted. > >The machine uses Trident's Cyber9320 chipset and has a TFT screen. > >Has anyone else suffered such problems? > >Ada From owner-freebsd-mobile Wed Sep 3 06:29:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA11859 for mobile-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 06:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp20.portal.net.au [202.12.71.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA11845 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 06:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.smith.net.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00394; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:57:16 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199709031327.WAA00394@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Ada T Lim cc: mobile@freebsd.org, trident@xfree86.org Subject: Re: half-width displays In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 03 Sep 1997 19:52:39 +1000." <199709030952.TAA00337@polya.blah.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 22:57:13 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've _finally_ gotten X to work on my Thinkpad 760EL, however I've been > having problems with 16bpp mode. As it only has 1mb of video ram, I cannot > use XAA with it in 16bpp mode. > > As such, in 16bpp mode, all pixels are double-width, and the screen > only displays the left hand side of the display. Vertical pixels are unaltered > - as such all objects are distorted. > > The machine uses Trident's Cyber9320 chipset and has a TFT screen. > > Has anyone else suffered such problems? I had similar problems with the C&T 65554 chipset in my Toshiba with the "screen stretch" BIOS option turned on. Turning this off made XF86 much happier. mike From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Sep 4 00:33:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA12595 for mobile-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 00:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from polya.blah.org (slmel7p49.ozemail.com.au [203.22.156.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA12586 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 00:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ada@localhost) by polya.blah.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) id RAA01006 for mobile@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:33:32 +1000 (EST) From: Ada T Lim Message-Id: <199709040733.RAA01006@polya.blah.org> Subject: Re: half-width displays In-Reply-To: <199709031327.WAA00394@word.smith.net.au> from Mike Smith at "Sep 3, 97 10:57:13 pm" To: mobile@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:33:32 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I had similar problems with the C&T 65554 chipset in my Toshiba with > the "screen stretch" BIOS option turned on. Turning this off made XF86 > much happier. hmm, that doesn't help much. One thing I notice is that it insists on using the tgui96xx chipset driver even though I have a line in /etc/XF86Config saying Chipset "cyber938x" Ada From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Sep 4 03:06:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA19159 for mobile-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 03:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from axon.elec.uq.edu.au (wood@axon.elec.uq.edu.au [130.102.96.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA19144 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 03:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from wood@localhost) by axon.elec.uq.edu.au (8.8.5/8.6.12) id UAA00927 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:05:57 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Wood Message-Id: <199709041005.UAA00927@axon.elec.uq.edu.au> Subject: Re: Stuck installing PAO on Acernote Light To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:05:56 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk re: AcerNote Light - attempt to use with PAO Thankyou all for the quick and useful replies. I have had another go at it, but haven't got it working. Replying to Mike: > Are you in a position to add/enable extra debugging in the pcic support code? If you mean writing code - no I'm not up to it, unfortunately. As for enabling more debugging - I don't know how to. I had a look through /usr/src/sys/pccard/pcic.c and found a verbose boot message for CardBus systems. My kernel doesn't produce it, so it probably isn't a CardBus system. I was pretty sure of this already since Windows '95 (which I have on another partition) identifies it as a "Cirrus Logic PCIC compatible PCMCIA controller". I guess this answers your other question. Replying to Nate: I was quite surprised to see you suggest Linux, but that would probably work almost as well for me. I have tried RedHat 4.2 & Slackware disks (including a specific PCMCIA disk) and they didn't work immediately, but they recognised both cards, beeped & tried to load specific drivers, and might work with a full installation and some care. I expect that's what I'll have to do. Replying to Greg: I had already seen a number of your messages after searching the archives, but since you had a 3Com 3C589C (and I don't), they didn't inspire much hope in me. I tried the newest 3.0-SNAP boot disk and was initially amazed to see my cards CIS data read by both ze0 and zp0. kernel reports: ze: pcmcia slot 0: NetComm Ltd~CardModem336~ ~ ~ ze: pcmcia slot 1: SMC~EtherEZ Ethernet 8020~V1.00~~ ze0 not found at 0x300 Same messages for zp0. After a while I realised that ze0 & zp0 are not compatible with PAO, and since they did not find the cards sufficiently well by themselves 3.0 without PAO won't work either. This may prove something about the availability of the CIS data on this machine though ? If anyone knows how to force pccardd to use a particular card configuration, regardless of what CIS data it reads, please let me know. thanks, Ian Wood. wood@elec.uq.edu.au From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Sep 4 04:28:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA22262 for mobile-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 04:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from public.bta.net.cn (public.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA22239 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 04:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monet ([202.98.99.224]) by public.bta.net.cn (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA01208; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:24:41 +0900 (CDT) Message-ID: <340E99FE.7CD5@public.bta.net.cn> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 19:22:38 +0800 From: Yong Liu Reply-To: yongliu@public.bta.net.cn Organization: Unisoft Technology Co. Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nate Williams CC: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Notebook Problem] References: <340C17EF.547A@public.bta.net.cn> <199709021459.AAA00700@word.smith.net.au> <199709021536.JAA22176@rocky.mt.sri.com> <340C4113.6C80@public.bta.net.cn> <199709021647.KAA22431@rocky.mt.sri.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams wrote: > > > You are right. I have these lines in my kernel configuration file > > already. I have noticed in the list generated by 'dmesg' a line labeled > > "chip3 ... generic PCI bridge". > > Yep, that's the PCI version of PCMCIA (aka. CardBus). > > > So, what does PAO mean ? How can I get the stuff ? > > Check out: "http://www.jp.FreeBSD.org/PAO/" > > Nate Thank you for your help. I have succeeded with my PCMCIA ! Just in case somebody might run into similar problems, I am happy to share my experience with them. Summary of My naughty notebook: Manuf: Twinhead (Taiwan) Model: Slimnote-9133TZ ( code name: Monet ) CPU: 133M Pentium Mem: 16M HD: 1.2G PCMCIA Controller: CardBus (Cirrus Logic DP674x) Modem: Built-in 33.6K ( PORT:0x3e8, IRQ: 10) Display: 12.1 TFT (800x600) Graphic: Trident cyber 9385 (2M vmem w/ mpeg decoding) Ethernet cards: (successfully tested) Manuf: Model: Driver: Unknown: =RELIA== ed0 D-link: DE-650 ed0 -- Yong Liu From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Sep 4 08:36:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA06064 for mobile-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA06023 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00947 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709041536.IAA00947@austin.polstra.com> To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: High-resolution displays Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 08:36:00 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I want to set up a laptop running FreeBSD to use when I'm working out of town. My main use for it will probably be to connect to my office network using PPP and access my e-mail. I want to run X11 on it, and I'd like to have 1024x768 or better resolution (ideally), or at least 800x600. I need it to have an ethernet interface too, for when I'm at home. I don't care about CD-ROM drives or any sort of multimedia. (If the rest of my life went by without another computer blinking or beeping at me, I'd be a happy guy.) Battery life isn't too important since I envision using the machine from a hotel room most of the time. Price is less important to me than getting the features I want. I searched through the mailing list archives, but found very few reports of 1024x768 success. I'd appreciate some recommendations for machines that will work well at that resolution, if there are any. Also, is the hi-res laptop support generally better in the Xaccel server than in XFree86? Thanks for whatever advice you can offer. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Sep 4 18:13:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA05845 for mobile-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nico.telstra.net (nico.telstra.net [139.130.204.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA05840 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by nico.telstra.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id LAA19319; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:12:42 +1000 Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id KAA00546; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:42:39 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970905104238.09237@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:42:38 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Ian Wood Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stuck installing PAO on Acernote Light References: <199709041005.UAA00927@axon.elec.uq.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <199709041005.UAA00927@axon.elec.uq.edu.au>; from Ian Wood on Thu, Sep 04, 1997 at 08:05:56PM +1000 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, Sep 04, 1997 at 08:05:56PM +1000, Ian Wood wrote: > re: AcerNote Light - attempt to use with PAO > > Thankyou all for the quick and useful replies. > > I have had another go at it, but haven't got it working. > > Replying to Mike: >> Are you in a position to add/enable extra debugging in the pcic support > code? > > If you mean writing code - no I'm not up to it, unfortunately. > > As for enabling more debugging - I don't know how to. > I had a look through /usr/src/sys/pccard/pcic.c and found > a verbose boot message for CardBus systems. > My kernel doesn't produce it, so it probably isn't a CardBus > system. I was pretty sure of this already since Windows '95 > (which I have on another partition) identifies it as > a "Cirrus Logic PCIC compatible PCMCIA controller". > I guess this answers your other question. Yes, this isn't a CardBus system. > Replying to Greg: > > I had already seen a number of your messages after searching the > archives, but since you had a 3Com 3C589C (and I don't), they > didn't inspire much hope in me. That doesn't exactly make things better, but it's not a reason to abandon hope either. > I tried the newest 3.0-SNAP boot disk and was initially amazed to > see my cards CIS data read by both ze0 and zp0. > kernel reports: > ze: pcmcia slot 0: NetComm Ltd~CardModem336~ ~ ~ > ze: pcmcia slot 1: SMC~EtherEZ Ethernet 8020~V1.00~~ > ze0 not found at 0x300 > > Same messages for zp0. This is progress, anyway. > After a while I realised that ze0 & zp0 are not compatible with PAO, I don't understand. Don't they work at all with PAO? Can anybody else confirm? > and since they did not find the cards sufficiently well by themselves > 3.0 without PAO won't work either. > > This may prove something about the availability of the CIS data > on this machine though ? I think it shows that the software can detect your board, but it's not really happy with it. Which driver is correct for the SMC board? How about building a kernel with support just for this board, and at the I/O address that the board is set to? You may find PLIP invaluable in this phase, BTW :-) Greg From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Sep 4 18:30:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA06650 for mobile-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:30:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nico.telstra.net (nico.telstra.net [139.130.204.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA06644 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by nico.telstra.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id LAA19854; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:29:20 +1000 Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id KAA01145; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:59:01 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970905105901.09121@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:59:01 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: John Polstra Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: High-resolution displays References: <199709041536.IAA00947@austin.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <199709041536.IAA00947@austin.polstra.com>; from John Polstra on Thu, Sep 04, 1997 at 08:36:00AM -0700 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, Sep 04, 1997 at 08:36:00AM -0700, John Polstra wrote: > I want to set up a laptop running FreeBSD to use when I'm working out > of town. My main use for it will probably be to connect to my office > network using PPP and access my e-mail. I want to run X11 on it, and > I'd like to have 1024x768 or better resolution (ideally), or at least > 800x600. I need it to have an ethernet interface too, for when I'm > at home. I don't care about CD-ROM drives or any sort of multimedia. > (If the rest of my life went by without another computer blinking or > beeping at me, I'd be a happy guy.) Battery life isn't too important > since I envision using the machine from a hotel room most of the time. > Price is less important to me than getting the features I want. > > I searched through the mailing list archives, but found very few > reports of 1024x768 success. I'd appreciate some recommendations for > machines that will work well at that resolution, if there are any. I'm using 1024x768 on my AcerNote Lite (the one which had problems with PAO) with no problems at all. I find that simultaneous display both on the LCD and a monitor doesn't work, but then, the LCD only does 640x480 anyway. > Also, is the hi-res laptop support generally better in the Xaccel > server than in XFree86? I'm using XFree86. I wouldn't call 1024x768 Hi-Res, anyway. At home I run two-headed with XAccel. One monitor is 1280x1024, the other 1600x1200. By comparison, 1024x768 looks really low-res. BTW, a tip for those who, like me, often find themselves in a strange office removing the peripherals from a Microsloth box to connect to your laptop: I'm astounded how many monitors out there still can't do 1024x768 non-interlaced. Most will do it interlaced, however. I set the horizontal frequency limit to 36 kHz, and XFree86 does interlace for me. Greg From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Sep 4 18:35:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA06885 for mobile-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA06880 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06788; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709050135.SAA06788@austin.polstra.com> To: Greg Lehey cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: High-resolution displays In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 05 Sep 1997 10:59:01 +0930." <19970905105901.09121@lemis.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 18:35:34 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm using 1024x768 on my AcerNote Lite (the one which had problems > with PAO) with no problems at all. I find that simultaneous display > both on the LCD and a monitor doesn't work, but then, the LCD only > does 640x480 anyway. I have a feeling I didn't express my question very well. What I am looking for is 1024x768 on the notebook's built-in display, not on an external monitor. John From owner-freebsd-mobile Thu Sep 4 21:23:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA15022 for mobile-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA15016 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA07034; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 22:22:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 22:22:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709050422.WAA07034@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Greg Lehey Cc: Ian Wood , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stuck installing PAO on Acernote Light In-Reply-To: <19970905104238.09237@lemis.com> References: <199709041005.UAA00927@axon.elec.uq.edu.au> <19970905104238.09237@lemis.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > After a while I realised that ze0 & zp0 are not compatible with PAO, > > I don't understand. Don't they work at all with PAO? Can anybody > else confirm? They are completely different from 'generic' PCCARD support. PAO extends the already existing pc-card support that is in FreeBSD, so to answer your question, no they will not work with the PAO extensions. > > This may prove something about the availability of the CIS data > > on this machine though ? > > I think it shows that the software can detect your board, but it's not > really happy with it. It appears that the generic pccard support isn't finding your PCIC controller correctly (the ze/zp drivers don't use the controller in the same manner). Nate From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 5 00:46:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA22591 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (word.smith.net.au [202.0.75.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA22575 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost.smith.net.au [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA03567; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 17:14:58 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199709050744.RAA03567@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: John Polstra cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: High-resolution displays In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 04 Sep 1997 08:36:00 MST." <199709041536.IAA00947@austin.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 17:14:58 +0930 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I want to set up a laptop running FreeBSD to use when I'm working out > of town. My main use for it will probably be to connect to my office > network using PPP and access my e-mail. I want to run X11 on it, and > I'd like to have 1024x768 or better resolution (ideally), or at least > 800x600. I need it to have an ethernet interface too, for when I'm > at home. I don't care about CD-ROM drives or any sort of multimedia. I would be inclined to suggest that you should look at the high-end Toshiba systems, based on my recent experiences. Your principal concern will be with the video chipset in use; at least the lower-end Toshiba I'm using uses the C&T 65554, which is very well supported by the XFree86 people. Toshiba's current configuration with this chip is 2M of video memory, so you can run 1024x768x16bpp, or 1280x1024x8bpp on an external monitor. Be extremely wary of anything using the Cirrus chipsets, as they are not supported well by XFree86 or by Accelerated-X (eg. Sharp units), or anything using the NeoMagic chips (eg. Dell). Neither of these will make you happy. As for ethernet; either the 3Com 3c589 or an NE2000 clone PCCARD like the Accton EN2216 will work just fine. Get a separate modem (combo cards aren't supported) card; prettymuch anything should work just fine. Having a CD-ROM can be handy sometimes. > Also, is the hi-res laptop support generally better in the Xaccel > server than in XFree86? No, not really. mike From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 5 01:17:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA24623 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA24617 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 01:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost.cybercity.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA06948; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:16:51 +0200 (CEST) To: John Polstra cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: High-resolution displays In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 04 Sep 1997 08:36:00 PDT." <199709041536.IAA00947@austin.polstra.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 10:16:50 +0200 Message-ID: <6946.873447410@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199709041536.IAA00947@austin.polstra.com>, John Polstra writes: >I want to set up a laptop running FreeBSD to use when I'm working out >of town. Hi john! First decide if it's going to be your primary machine or not, this may sound weird, but you may soon find that you spend much more time with your portable that with your stationary machine (Think "bed, beach, garden, airport, plane, bus, train, office..."). If it's going to be your primary machine, you may want to choose slightly differently. Next determine what order your parameters come in: Weight: If you carry your machine around in a knapsack all the time, you will want a light machine. If you carry it in your car, weight is not important. If weight is important, remember to add the weight of the powersupply an extra battery and any external devices (floppies, cdroms &c) you will carry around. Power: If you always have an power outlet handy, battery life is not important if planes are always late for you, it is. If Battery life is important make sure that you can charge the batteries while they're not in the computer (very handy in planes :-) Batterylife specs should be divided by two before you even remotely trust them. Our APM support is not as capable as that of Win95, and we tend to use the machine more. RAM: This one is easy: Max it out. The more RAM you have the less you need your disk, the longer your battery last. Display: You seem pretty determined about this one. Be aware that on an LCD you can use far smaller fonts than on a CRT. I run a 5x7 font most of the time with no problems. (I cant wait until I can aford a LCD screen for my desk too :-) Bigger screens means bigger powerdrain, and they are more fragile (although they're pretty damn robust these days. Your hard disk will croak first I bet). Hard disk drives: Make sure that you can swap a bigger one in yourself. Consider buying the smallest disk they have, and plug in the biggest you can lay your hands on. (IBM, Hitachi and Toshiba are the players in this game). 2.5" disks come in three heights: 1/3", 1/2" and 3/4" (9, 12.7 & 19mm). The thicker the cheaper per GB, and the more GB you can fit in there. Current limits are around 1, 3 and 5 GB. Floppy disk/CDROM drives: If weight/portability is important, consider getting a machine with external floppy and CDROM. My floppy drive is at home all the time, I never use it. Keyboard: It is about the most important thing on the machine, if you can't live with it, forget it. Try it out, even the same manufacturer makes many different keyboards. The layout of the keys should be examined too. PcCard/CardBus slots: Get 2 x size2. You're unlikely to ever use it for anything but a modem and a netcard. CardBus is vaporware so far. Pointing gadget: Consider carefully and try out, if you intend to work "in the field". Docking ability: This may be important to you when you're home. Quality: If you carry your computer through war-zones a lot, you will want a sturdy and well made quality. Modularity: Some laptops have "bays" where you can stick batteries/disks/cdroms and so on. Generally the more openings there are, the more it will fall apart. Can be very handy to be able to flip another disk in on short notice. Service/Support: Some are backed by worldwide service organizations (DEC, HP, IBM), others are all but impossible to get repaired (Carry in service in Singapore...). Check the magazines, they regularly feature comparisons between 20 or more different laptops, watch out for warning signs. Variuos advice, based on experience: Carry you computer in a knapsack on you back, it takes far less bangs and shakes there and is generally under the umbrealla if you are. Never use a shoulder bag, they bump into everything all the time and are prime targets for theft in airports. Nobody steals a knapsack, it's likely to contain a weeks worth of laundry :-) If you travel, pack your t-shirts around it, it looks like laundry and it protects against bumps. Pad the bottom of you bag with soft leather folded 5 or 10 times, or even use a small sturdy soft leather bag as padding. This is the best protection you can get. Rubber/foam isn't as good because it's elastic, you don't want the computer to bounce up and down. Keep your pccard's connector clean. If you run of the cirgar-lighter plug in the car, be sure that you have a good spike filter on your cable. Make sure you have a backup method, and stick to it. Portable disks live a dangerous life. If you drive starts making "klONK!" sounds it is trying to say goodbye to you while it still can. Make a small DOS partition, there is usually a bunch of weird small programs that runs under dos, bios upgrades being just one of these. Always make sure the hard-drive is level when it runs. Even a 5 degree slant from horizontal is deadly for the bearings. Remember that contact start/stop cycles are very tough on your drive. It may be better to have it run idle for long periods, rather than have it start/stop all the time. If you travel by train or bus, make it a habit to have a small window where you do a "sleep 2820 ; cat /kernel > /dev/audio" or similar. (Adjust 2820 to match the ETA at your your destination). Hope this helps. Poul-Henning Kamp (Portable BSD user since 386BSD-0.1) PS: My current "critter" is a HP800CT, chosen for it's low weight and HP-quality ruggedness. It has an 800x600 display on which I'm running only 16 color mode because XIG Still hasn't fixed the problem in their driver :-( Drives are 1/2", I have a 3G Hitachi in there now. 48M RAM, (you can get 80Mb now), and the cute little HP floppy-mouse (may people are afraid of this mouse, I've come to love it. It even works in trains!) It has a docking connector, to which you can also connect a special SCSI cable (the "special" is that the NCR chip is in the connector on the cable :-) Two PCMCIA/CardBus slots. Highly recommended. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 5 02:32:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA27986 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 02:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nico.telstra.net (nico.telstra.net [139.130.204.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA27978 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 02:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by nico.telstra.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id TAA00237; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:30:47 +1000 Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA13351; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:00:41 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970905190041.25506@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:00:41 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: John Polstra , freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: High-resolution displays References: <199709041536.IAA00947@austin.polstra.com> <6946.873447410@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <6946.873447410@critter.freebsd.dk>; from Poul-Henning Kamp on Fri, Sep 05, 1997 at 10:16:50AM +0200 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, Sep 05, 1997 at 10:16:50AM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <199709041536.IAA00947@austin.polstra.com>, John Polstra writes: >> I want to set up a laptop running FreeBSD to use when I'm working out >> of town. > > Hi john! > > First decide if it's going to be your primary machine or not, this may > sound weird, but you may soon find that you spend much more time with > your portable that with your stationary machine (Think "bed, beach, garden, > airport, plane, bus, train, office..."). If it's going to be your primary > machine, you may want to choose slightly differently. A very good point. When I bought my machine last December, I intended it to be a machine to use when I didn't have any other. I still don't use it at home, but I found that it is very convenient to have a complete environment with me when I'm travelling, and I will now invariably use it in other people's offices. As a result, I find it's underdimensioned for what I want to do. > Display: > > You seem pretty determined about this one. Be aware that on an LCD you > can use far smaller fonts than on a CRT. I run a 5x7 font most of the > time with no problems. (I cant wait until I can aford a LCD screen > for my desk too :-) Bigger screens means bigger powerdrain, and they > are more fragile (although they're pretty damn robust these days. Your > hard disk will croak first I bet). I agree with John, though. The next machine will have at least a 1024x768 display. > Floppy disk/CDROM drives: > > If weight/portability is important, consider getting a machine with > external floppy and CDROM. My floppy drive is at home all the time, > I never use it. Or interchangeable ones. But I don't miss a CD-ROM in my machined. > Keyboard: > > It is about the most important thing on the machine, if you can't live > with it, forget it. Try it out, even the same manufacturer makes many > different keyboards. The layout of the keys should be examined too. A point to be made here: you can always remap keys. Except for that damn fool Fn key which is used to remap other keys. On my machine, it's in the bottom left hand corner, where I want to have Alt. The result is painful. I don't know of any laptops into which you can't plug a real keyboard, but that would be an absolute no-no for me. > "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." But of course. Greg From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 5 04:25:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA01847 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 04:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from polya.blah.org (slmel7p35.ozemail.com.au [203.22.156.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA01836 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 04:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ada@localhost) by polya.blah.org (8.8.6/8.8.5) id SAA01472; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 18:45:49 +1000 (EST) From: Ada T Lim Message-Id: <199709050845.SAA01472@polya.blah.org> Subject: Re: High-resolution displays In-Reply-To: <6946.873447410@critter.freebsd.dk> from Poul-Henning Kamp at "Sep 5, 97 10:16:50 am" To: phk@critter.freebsd.dk (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 18:45:49 +1000 (EST) Cc: mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member > phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." *ouch* I tried -current on my laptop. I liked it, 'cept for the fact that there was no PAO support as yet and I'm about to get an adaptec ah1460 for an external CDROM. I liked it more than -stable, though. Ada From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 5 08:17:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA14088 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.cep.yale.edu (www.cep.yale.edu [130.132.125.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA14078 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (adept@localhost) by www.cep.yale.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA11750 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:17:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:17:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Adept To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: TP701 and APM Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk After a recent desire to repartition my hard drive, I reinstalled 2.2.2-R on my Thinkpad 701. Now what is odd, is that everytime I disable the power cord, the system sits down and the kernel locks up. However, other APM events are just fine. I've disabled the apm support in the bios but I still have problems.. I'm open to ideas. (BTW that should be "disconnect the power cord) Thanks! Ben. ____ Ben Samman.................................................ben@edelweb.fr Paris, France Illudium Q36 Explosive Space Modulator From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 5 08:35:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA14910 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.cep.yale.edu (www.cep.yale.edu [130.132.125.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA14901 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (adept@localhost) by www.cep.yale.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA11793 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:35:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:35:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Adept To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: TP701 and APM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk y Re-reading my post, I've given very little details and I sound pretty silly, so here's a bit more to go on: What it looks like, is that if the power cable is connected or disconnected twice, while a PCMCIA card is in the slot (either my TDK DF2814 or my 3Com 3c589B) the kernal locks up. But only the second time, not the first. This means that if I plug in the cable, unpluging it will lock the kernel, but if I unplug the cable first, plugging it back in will lock the kernel. I'm running with the PAO-970616 with 2.2.2-R. Thanks! Ben. On Fri, 5 Sep 1997, Adept wrote: > > After a recent desire to repartition my hard drive, I reinstalled 2.2.2-R > on my Thinkpad 701. > > Now what is odd, is that everytime I disable the power cord, the system > sits down and the kernel locks up. > > However, other APM events are just fine. I've disabled the apm support in > the bios but I still have problems.. I'm open to ideas. > > (BTW that should be "disconnect the power cord) > > Thanks! > > > Ben. > ____ > Ben Samman.................................................ben@edelweb.fr > Paris, France Illudium Q36 Explosive Space Modulator > > Ben. ____ Ben Samman.................................................ben@edelweb.fr Paris, France Illudium Q36 Explosive Space Modulator From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 5 08:41:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA15373 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hda.hda.com (hda-bicnet.bicnet.net [208.220.66.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA15348 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03678; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:53:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199709051453.KAA03678@hda.hda.com> Subject: Re: High-resolution displays In-Reply-To: <199709041536.IAA00947@austin.polstra.com> from John Polstra at "Sep 4, 97 08:36:00 am" To: jdp@polstra.com (John Polstra) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > ... I don't care about CD-ROM drives or any sort of multimedia. > (If the rest of my life went by without another computer blinking or > beeping at me, I'd be a happy guy.) A quick note about a CDROM: I wish my laptop had one since it would be an ideal system for hooking into an ethernet and installing packages, etc, from. I put off buying a laptop until I could buy a cheap one with an active matrix display - I now see how useful it is for bringing work to different clients, or checking a few things away from the office, etc. I don't see anything about disk space in your post. That is the biggest drawback on the one I got. I want to leave everything related with several projects on the disk so that it can be the only system I bring to a client without constantly moving things around. Peter (IBM TP-365X 800x600 active matrix and about 800MB disk.) -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime development, Machine control, HD Associates, Inc. Safety critical systems, Agency approval From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 5 08:45:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA15601 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from data.jamnet.reef.com (d190.isdn2.interaccess.com [207.208.1.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA15581 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from james@localhost) by data.jamnet.reef.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA00498 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:45:42 -0500 (CDT) From: james@reef.com (James Buszard-Welcher) Message-Id: <970905104541.ZM496@data> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:45:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (4.0.1 13Jan97) To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Laptop/X configuration collection MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi. I was wondering if there was a place where people are recording: "I've got it working" information for various Laptop/X configurations. For me, it took quite a while to get X running in 800x600 on my laptop (Micron Millennia TransPort, which uses the Cirrus Logic chipset). I wouldn't mind putting my config up somewhere where those looking for it would find it... there has got to be some FreeBSD or Linux mobile config page out there. Anyone know what the standard place for this info is? (Or if it exists?) -- James Buszard-Welcher | VOX 847.729.8600 | "It's not the stuff... Technical Director | FAX 847.729.1560 | it's the power to Silicon Reef, Inc. | PGR 800.418.0016 | *MAKE* the stuff." From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 5 09:12:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA16824 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA16815 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:12:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id JAA23709 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crab.whistle.com(207.76.205.112) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma023705; Fri Sep 5 09:11:35 1997 Received: (from ambrisko@localhost) by crab.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id JAA24556 for freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:09:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Ambrisko Message-Id: <199709051609.JAA24556@crab.whistle.com> Subject: Re: High-resolution displays In-Reply-To: <199709041536.IAA00947@austin.polstra.com> from John Polstra at "Sep 4, 97 08:36:00 am" To: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:08:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL29 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Polstra writes: | I want to set up a laptop running FreeBSD to use when I'm working out | of town. My main use for it will probably be to connect to my office | network using PPP and access my e-mail. I want to run X11 on it, and | I'd like to have 1024x768 or better resolution (ideally), or at least Well, here I'm the maintainer of the laptop. It is a NEC 6030X and does 1024x768. We went for the second battery pack which gives us ~4 hours without being attached to anything. (Nice for doing work outside on the patio) or just taking the machine home at night and leave the power at work. Disadvantage is that the NEC can have either a second batter, floppy or CD in the option bay. But it is not usually a problem since I usually use the network to get things in and out of it. I'm running 2.2-beta & PAO with some hacks for the PCMCIA controller. The hacks shouldn't be needed with more current PAO stuff. I've tried to get -current up a couple of times and have failed on the network card. I definitely like the 1024x768 since it lets me have 4 80x25 windows open without overlap. Compute power is okay since it is PCI based so scrolling the screen doesn't slow it down. It uses the C&T graphics chip which is well supported and now 16bpp is pretty fast (before it really slowed down the machine). Since this was an early XGA laptop it has the 12.1" screen which is okay but now they seem to be moving to 14.2 with 13.3 common. I don't like touchpads, I prefer sticks. The pad is more of a two hand operation for cut & paste, however it isn't worth the extra $1000 for an IBM or Toshiba for me. We had one trouble with the charge circuit and got that fixed pretty quick. I've been thinking about a personal machine and have been looking at the Chembook 2700 type (most of the clone shops repackage an OEM version and the www.chemusa.com site gives gory details on the chipsets!). I like this machine since it is 200Mhz, 32M, 3G, 14.2TFT is just under $4000 and uses the Intel mobile triton II chipset (which is supposed to be faster then all others). The negative is the video is Trident and I'm nervous about XFree support but I've been seeing some success stories. It's also big, but seems to be a good desktop replacement. Also Intel is about to release the 200+ P5 laptop CPU. This should extend battery life and get rid of the fan inside. Doug A. From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 5 10:22:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA20536 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA20520 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA09288; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:21:00 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:21:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709051721.LAA09288@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Adept Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TP701 and APM In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > After a recent desire to repartition my hard drive, I reinstalled 2.2.2-R > > on my Thinkpad 701. > > > > Now what is odd, is that everytime I disable the power cord, the system > > sits down and the kernel locks up. > > > > However, other APM events are just fine. I've disabled the apm support in > > the bios but I still have problems.. I'm open to ideas. If APM supported is truly disabled, then there's no reason for the kernel to shutdown, since nothing will be generated to shut it down. My suspicion is that your APM BIOS is either out-of-date, or buggy, or both. Check IBM's WWW to see if there is an update to your BIOS that may fix the problem. Nate From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 5 10:28:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA20774 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA20723 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA09357; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709051727.LAA09357@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Peter Dufault Cc: jdp@polstra.com (John Polstra), freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: High-resolution displays In-Reply-To: <199709051453.KAA03678@hda.hda.com> References: <199709041536.IAA00947@austin.polstra.com> <199709051453.KAA03678@hda.hda.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > ... I don't care about CD-ROM drives or any sort of multimedia. > > (If the rest of my life went by without another computer blinking or > > beeping at me, I'd be a happy guy.) > > A quick note about a CDROM: I wish my laptop had one since it would > be an ideal system for hooking into an ethernet and > installing packages, etc, from. PAO has support for the newer Sonys running off PCMCIA cards. I've got one, but have never tried it out since I haven't done any laptop code hacking in months. In any case, you can have an external CD-ROM if you really want one, plus the advantage of having a way to play CD's on the plane w/out using your laptop battery. ;) nate From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 5 13:10:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA28936 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hda.hda.com (hda-bicnet.bicnet.net [208.220.66.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA28930 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04435; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:21:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199709051921.PAA04435@hda.hda.com> Subject: Re: High-resolution displays In-Reply-To: <199709051727.LAA09357@rocky.mt.sri.com> from Nate Williams at "Sep 5, 97 11:27:02 am" To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > A quick note about a CDROM: I wish my laptop had one since it would > > be an ideal system for hooking into an ethernet and > > installing packages, etc, from. > > ... In any case, you can have an external CD-ROM if you > really want one, plus the advantage of having a way to play CD's on the > plane w/out using your laptop battery. ;) Then you lose one of the best features of the laptop: the solid box with everything built in. Which brings up another point for those in the market to consider: The IBM has an external power supply while some laptops have it built in. Peter -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime development, Machine control, HD Associates, Inc. Safety critical systems, Agency approval From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 5 13:13:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA29022 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:13:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA29017 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA10130; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:13:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:13:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709052013.OAA10130@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Peter Dufault Cc: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams), freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: High-resolution displays In-Reply-To: <199709051921.PAA04435@hda.hda.com> References: <199709051727.LAA09357@rocky.mt.sri.com> <199709051921.PAA04435@hda.hda.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > A quick note about a CDROM: I wish my laptop had one since it would > > > be an ideal system for hooking into an ethernet and > > > installing packages, etc, from. > > > > ... In any case, you can have an external CD-ROM if you > > really want one, plus the advantage of having a way to play CD's on the > > plane w/out using your laptop battery. ;) > > Then you lose one of the best features of the laptop: the solid box > with everything built in. And you lose two of the best features of not having it built in, which are weight and ruggedness. Almost *all* of the newer boxes have the 'swappable' CD-ROMS, which makes for weakness in the cases which don't exist in the boxes that don't have them built-in. I'll put my non-built in box with the external CD against *any* box you want to throw at it for ruggedness. > Which brings up another point for those in the > market to consider: The IBM has an external power supply while some > laptops have it built in. *All* of the laptops I've ever used (NEC, IBM, Toshiba, Fujitsu, HP) have external power supplies. Nate From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 5 13:32:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA29959 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hda.hda.com (hda-bicnet.bicnet.net [208.220.66.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA29953 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04500; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:44:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199709051944.PAA04500@hda.hda.com> Subject: Re: High-resolution displays In-Reply-To: <199709052013.OAA10130@rocky.mt.sri.com> from Nate Williams at "Sep 5, 97 02:13:04 pm" To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (Nate states those with built in CDROMS are heavier and flimsier) I'll look over (and pick up and shake and thump on) a Thinkpad with built in CDROM before I decide it is too flimsy. I thought the 365xd was my 365x with the internal floppy traded off for internal CDROM. The 365x isn't flimsy. > *All* of the laptops I've ever used (NEC, IBM, Toshiba, Fujitsu, HP) > have external power supplies. The Toshibas at one of my clients have built in power supplies and take a line cord on the back. I don't know the model, but they have both older 486 systems and some newer Pentium systems. I'm more willing to trade off weight for having everything well packaged in one place than the market. Peter -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime development, Machine control, HD Associates, Inc. Safety critical systems, Agency approval From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 5 13:38:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA00351 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA00344 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA10275; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:37:44 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:37:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709052037.OAA10275@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Peter Dufault Cc: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams), freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: High-resolution displays In-Reply-To: <199709051944.PAA04500@hda.hda.com> References: <199709052013.OAA10130@rocky.mt.sri.com> <199709051944.PAA04500@hda.hda.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > (Nate states those with built in CDROMS are heavier and flimsier) > > I'll look over (and pick up and shake and thump on) a Thinkpad with > built in CDROM before I decide it is too flimsy. I thought the 365xd > was my 365x with the internal floppy traded off for internal CDROM. > The 365x isn't flimsy. None of the ThinkPads are flimsy, but I'll bet you a ThinkPad *with* a CDROM is much less rugged than one without. You gotta compare apples to apples. > > *All* of the laptops I've ever used (NEC, IBM, Toshiba, Fujitsu, HP) > > have external power supplies. > > The Toshibas at one of my clients have built in power supplies and > take a line cord on the back. I don't know the model, but they > have both older 486 systems and some newer Pentium systems. That's different than my experience. > I'm more willing to trade off weight for having everything well > packaged in one place than the market. To each his own. I spend enough time on the road *NOT* using the externals that having a light-weight laptop is a much bigger deal than having one with everything built-in. It's the 'unix' geek in me I guess. "Small is beautiful". ;) ;) ;) Nate From owner-freebsd-mobile Fri Sep 5 21:47:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA21544 for mobile-outgoing; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 21:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (jonny@[146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA21529 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 21:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA04039 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 01:47:42 -0300 (EST) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199709060447.BAA04039@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: PAO-970616 and Megahertz multifunction card To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 01:47:42 -0300 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I've downloaded PAO-970616 for 2.2.2-RELEASE, and have just installed it. Surelly a wonderful work. I'm trying now to configure a MegaHertz 33.6 Ethernet Modem card. The default configuration works nicely to detect the modem portion, but ethernet is more important for me right now. I tried to add a new config to /etc/pccard.conf like this: card "MEGAHERTZ" "CC/XJEM3336" config default "sn0" any insert echo Megahertz X-Jack Multifunction Card inserted insert /etc/pccard_ether $device remove echo Megahertz X-Jack Multifunction Card removed remove /etc/pccard_ether_remove $device but this did not work. When I insert the card I get some messages about "Code xxx not found", where xxx is 128,129 and 131, "matched MEGAHERTZ etc.", some stray irq 10, and then: "pccardd[37]: driver allocation failed for MEGAHERTZ (Device not configured)" Is there any workaround ? The FAQ says that multifunction cards are not yet supported, but I could not find any other reference about this. Is there a pre-release kit for it ? TIA, Jonny PS: notebooks are something completely new for me. This is my first one, a Toshiba Satellite Pro 430CDT. -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 From owner-freebsd-mobile Sat Sep 6 09:28:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA20636 for mobile-outgoing; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 09:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA20631 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 09:28:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA12715; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 10:27:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 10:27:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709061627.KAA12715@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PAO-970616 and Megahertz multifunction card In-Reply-To: <199709060447.BAA04039@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> References: <199709060447.BAA04039@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I've downloaded PAO-970616 for 2.2.2-RELEASE, and have just installed > it. Surelly a wonderful work. > > I'm trying now to configure a MegaHertz 33.6 Ethernet Modem card. Combo cards are not supported. Nate