From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Apr 27 07:28:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA13552 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 07:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from donald.iafrica.com (donald.iafrica.com [196.31.1.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA13532 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 07:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] by donald.iafrica.com with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wLUwV-0001xX-00; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 16:28:43 +0200 Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 16:28:42 +0200 (SAT) From: Gordon Greeff Reply-To: gordon@iafrica.com To: Nicolas M Pottier cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MP3 Player for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Nicolas M Pottier wrote: > Anybody know of one? Yup I've uploaded it to ftp://ftp.iafrica.com/pub/incoming/mp3play-jdli.tgz It works pretty well. Use the command line: mp3play filename.mp3 |l3dec \ | / -=[ Gordon Greeff... __ /--\ __ -=[ UUNet Internet Africa Technical Support \__/ -=[ gordon@iafrica.com ]-[ I'm a FreeBSD-User... / | \ -=[ http://roadkill.home.ml.org From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Apr 27 17:36:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA08445 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA08437 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00556; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704280036.RAA00556@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: gordon@iafrica.com cc: Nicolas M Pottier , freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: MP3 Player for FreeBSD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 27 Apr 1997 16:28:42 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 17:36:05 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Any info on how to use mp3play ? Tnks, Amancio >From The Desk Of Gordon Greeff : > On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Nicolas M Pottier wrote: > > > Anybody know of one? > > Yup > > I've uploaded it to ftp://ftp.iafrica.com/pub/incoming/mp3play-jdli.tgz > > It works pretty well. > > Use the command line: mp3play filename.mp3 |l3dec > > \ | / -=[ Gordon Greeff... > __ /--\ __ -=[ UUNet Internet Africa Technical Support > \__/ -=[ gordon@iafrica.com ]-[ I'm a FreeBSD-User... > / | \ -=[ http://roadkill.home.ml.org > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Sun Apr 27 22:50:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA24373 for multimedia-outgoing; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 22:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from donald.iafrica.com (donald.iafrica.com [196.31.1.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA24364 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 1997 22:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] by donald.iafrica.com with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0wLjKS-0004RU-00; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:50:24 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:50:23 +0200 (SAT) From: Gordon Greeff Reply-To: gordon@iafrica.com To: Amancio Hasty cc: Nicolas M Pottier , freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MP3 Player for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <199704280036.RAA00556@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 27 Apr 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Any info on how to use mp3play ? Use the command line: mp3play filename.mp3 |l3dec so that would be -> [mymachine]$ mp3play song1.mp3 |l3dec It will then ask you for a registration, twice, say "no" both times and then the mp3 will start playing. \ | / -=[ Gordon Greeff... __ /--\ __ -=[ UUNet Internet Africa Technical Support \__/ -=[ gordon@iafrica.com ]-[ I'm a FreeBSD-User... / | \ -=[ http://roadkill.home.ml.org From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Apr 28 02:10:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA02993 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 02:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po9.andrew.cmu.edu (PO9.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA02988 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 02:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from postman@localhost) by po9.andrew.cmu.edu (8.8.2/8.8.2) id FAA24677 for freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 05:10:17 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 05:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs44.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 05:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs44.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 05:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.4.170.Jun.27.1996.16.34.50.sun4.51.MacMail.5.2.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs44.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4m.54 via MS.5.6.pcs44.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4_51; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 05:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8nN6Yxu00iWn023640@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 05:09:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Pietri To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, Outbound News , Outbound News , Outbound News Subject: Interactive innovators? Cc: Robert Pietri Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yo, Doing a survey of communication mediums since photography in order to place interactive media in context with them. Trying to find the innovators in this infant medium; what were the landmark "events" in new media? Who were the pionneers; Who are the Orsen Welles or Ernie Kovacs of this medium? Any ideas, drop me a line. peace out, pietri From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Apr 28 07:28:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA16364 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA16280 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 07:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA20100 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:32:54 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:32:51 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: the sound/ directory Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, perhaps this has been up on the multimedia list previously (I haven't been here for long): 1) the sound/ directory in teh kernel sources looks like a mess with *several* files for different chipsets, many readme's, and other things all pushed into one subdirectory. How about: We make several subdirs under sound like: 1) midi/ (generic midi support) 2) audio/ (generic audio support) 2) sb/ 3) pas/ 4) gus/ 5) misc_card/ (all other misc. cards) The audio/ and midi/ should most probably be moved out of i386/isa/sound to something new like /sys/dev/audio - they are *not* related to the isa bus. 2) Is full-duplex supported on some cards (esp. the sb16/32)? If no, is anybody out there working/interested in it? Sander Just got a SB32, also have access to sb16, and a card having crystal(?) chip on it. :-) From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Apr 28 09:06:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21897 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA21871 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA00441; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:19:44 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199704281519.RAA00441@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: the sound/ directory To: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee (Narvi) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:19:43 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Narvi" at Apr 28, 97 05:32:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > 1) the sound/ directory in teh kernel sources looks like a mess with > *several* files for different chipsets, many readme's, and other things > all pushed into one subdirectory. this I don't know. In the same way one would argue that we should have, under /sys/i386/isa scsi/ net/ sio/ misc/ all in all I'd keep all files in the same directory, at most trying to cleanup/merge things, and leave the shuffling for a next step. > 2) Is full-duplex supported on some cards (esp. the sb16/32)? If no, is > anybody out there working/interested in it? amy interested, nobody working actively. Amancio might start working on this, using the 3.5 release of the (former) Voxware stuff. The current code is based on the 3.0 release and, as I understand, full duplex is only supported through a dirty hack on some cards. If that helps, both crystal, analog devices and Opti have online docs on the various codecs used for full duplex boards (WSS/MSS): the CS423x, AD1848/1845, Opti931. As far as I know there is no documentation available on the net from Creative and Yamaha for the Soundblaster, and FM synthesizer, or the midi stuff. Amancio, are you there :) ? Cheers Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Apr 28 10:19:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA25717 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25702 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA22471; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:24:12 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:24:12 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: Luigi Rizzo cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: the sound/ directory In-Reply-To: <199704281519.RAA00441@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > 1) the sound/ directory in teh kernel sources looks like a mess with > > *several* files for different chipsets, many readme's, and other things > > all pushed into one subdirectory. > > this I don't know. In the same way one would argue that we should have, > under /sys/i386/isa > > scsi/ > net/ > sio/ > misc/ > It wouldn't perhaps be too bad. And I also did propose audio/ (just like there is scsi for the hardware device independent things like midi, audio, etc. There could also be generic soundfont (when we support downloadable soundfonts) driver. These all are not related to the isa bus and not even i386. Sander > all in all I'd keep all files in the same directory, at most trying to > cleanup/merge things, and leave the shuffling for a next step. > > > 2) Is full-duplex supported on some cards (esp. the sb16/32)? If no, is > > anybody out there working/interested in it? > > amy interested, nobody working actively. Amancio might start working on > this, using the 3.5 release of the (former) Voxware stuff. The current > code is based on the 3.0 release and, as I understand, full duplex is > only supported through a dirty hack on some cards. > > If that helps, both crystal, analog devices and Opti have online > docs on the various codecs used for full duplex boards (WSS/MSS): the > CS423x, AD1848/1845, Opti931. As far as I know there is no > documentation available on the net from Creative and Yamaha for > the Soundblaster, and FM synthesizer, or the midi stuff. > > Amancio, are you there :) ? > > Cheers > Luigi > -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- > Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione > email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa > tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) > fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ > _____________________________|______________________________________ > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Apr 28 11:01:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28054 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28027 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA08188; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:00:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:00:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: bwm@stc.simbirsk.su cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GUS PnP drivers In-Reply-To: <199704270523.JAA13508@mpool.MV.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 27 Apr 1997 bwm@stc.simbirsk.su wrote: > I'm running FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE. > Can you tell me where I can find Gravis PNP soundcard drivers? Sure: ftp://rah.star-gate.com/pub/guspnp6.tar.gz Make sure you have the kernel source installed and unpack in /. See the enclosed README before beginning however. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Apr 28 11:24:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29358 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29353 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA08552; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:23:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Stan Voket cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Win TV In-Reply-To: <199704261528.LAA25059@gaboon.nai.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 26 Apr 1997, Stan Voket wrote: > > I'd like to add a low cost (relatively) video image capture board to a > FreeBSD -current system. I noticed on the www.hauppauge.com page there > are several models of the Win/TV board. Which is THE board? For the Hauppauge stuff, the one you want is the Model 401, with dbx stereo. That one has been tested up and down and except for the stereo audio, works fine. I have one of these and I love it! You'll need the bt848 drivers which are available from http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/Bt848.htm Lots of good info & apps available too. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Apr 28 18:52:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA14581 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14575 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 18:52:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA00378; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704290151.VAA00378@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Doug White cc: Stan Voket , multimedia@freebsd.org From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: Win TV References: In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:23:29 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 21:51:25 -0400 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've got one of these, and the audio sounds great. While I couldn't swear to you that it's stereo coming out, it sure sounds like it to me. It's a great deal, with a street price of about $125 or so. louie > On Sat, 26 Apr 1997, Stan Voket wrote: > > > > > I'd like to add a low cost (relatively) video image capture board to a > > FreeBSD -current system. I noticed on the www.hauppauge.com page there > > are several models of the Win/TV board. Which is THE board? > > For the Hauppauge stuff, the one you want is the Model 401, with dbx > stereo. That one has been tested up and down and except for the stereo > audio, works fine. I have one of these and I love it! You'll need the > bt848 drivers which are available from > > http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/Bt848.htm > > Lots of good info & apps available too. > > Doug White | University of Oregon > Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant > http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Apr 28 19:52:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA18223 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA18214 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 19:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA03744; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:52:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: "Louis A. Mamakos" cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win TV In-Reply-To: <199704290151.VAA00378@whizzo.transsys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've got one of these, and the audio sounds great. While I couldn't swear > to you that it's stereo coming out, it sure sounds like it to me. It's > a great deal, with a street price of about $125 or so. > Where??? Everwhere I looked they wanted $200-299. Also, maybe you know of a good place that I can get a GUS MAX (PnP) from? I have been seeing them for around $120. Thanks for helping me find the best deal. Bernie From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Apr 28 20:01:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA18757 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA18751 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:00:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA03750 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:01:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win TV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/Bt848.htm ^^ Missing "l" at the end. What's the minimum CPU required with the win/tv card? Can I get away with using my 486/120? Tnx. Bernie From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Apr 28 20:56:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21726 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21720 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA21555; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704290355.XAA21555@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Bernie Doehner cc: multimedia@freebsd.org From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: Win TV References: In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:52:46 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:55:41 -0400 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I got my WinCast TV/dbx from CompUSA for about $125 or so; this was a few months ago. I picked up a GUS PnP from some dealer at a computer flea market show for about $130 or so shortly after it was introduced. louie From owner-freebsd-multimedia Mon Apr 28 20:58:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21905 for multimedia-outgoing; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21897 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 20:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA21895; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704290358.XAA21895@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Bernie Doehner cc: multimedia@freebsd.org From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: Win TV References: In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:01:47 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:58:33 -0400 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/HomeAuto/Bt848.htm > ^^ > > Missing "l" at the end. > > What's the minimum CPU required with the win/tv card? Can I get away with > using my 486/120? I'd guess so, there's really not much CPU required to run the card if you have one of the supported video cards that it can DMA into directly. More importantly, you gotta have a free PCI bus slot for it. louie From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Apr 29 00:49:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA02771 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA02765 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id AAA03213 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA01267; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:46:20 +0300 (EEST) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:46:18 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: Amancio Hasty cc: Luigi Rizzo , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the sound/ directory In-Reply-To: <199704282041.NAA00483@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Just mailed you the driver. > Many great thanks. > I want to keep all the files in one directory for now. > Ok, I won't do anything about it without the majority agreeing. It would be real useless anyhow. > There is a code to redirect the audio streams straight to the low level > hardware drivers. For instance , my guspnp6 uses u-law hardware playback. > > About the PCI stuff , I would not worry about it too much right now. > Lets just simply concentrate in getting the current guspnp6 in shape. > Once we have a good working sound driver others will be willing to > join in and we can start to re-architect if necessary. Lets hope so. > > The gus stuff I have to clean up and the sound blaster driver needs someone > to trouble shoot or verify that it works. It shouldn't be too much > work to finish whatever is needed for the SB cards. I will try to see what I can do. I may something by the evening - but then again, I might not. Depends, on how some things work out. Sander > > The PnP stuff I can take care of it since it is going to spill over to > other drivers and is going to require someone with a thick skin to push it > around in FreeBSD-land. > > Cheers, > Amancio > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Apr 29 16:48:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA18539 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA18529 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 16:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29313; Tue, 29 Apr 97 19:47:44 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA28598; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:47:19 -0400 Message-Id: <19970429194719.27301@ct.picker.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:47:19 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Amancio Hasty Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bt848/fxtv: More info on system freezes References: <19970419141314.20369@ct.picker.com> <199704192128.OAA03885@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199704192128.OAA03885@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Sat, Apr 19, 1997 at 02:28:16PM -0700 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty: |We may have to file a bug report with the X server group to see if we can |get them to help us out. I will be honest with you every day I use |fxtv and I don't get a crash -- once I did get the font corruption and |the system didn't craash however I have not been able to reproduce it. | |My take is that is probably more to do with the PCI chipset. |The "mistery-bit" on the Bt848 is supposed to be a work around for |the Natoma chipset. I still don't know what is supposed to do other |than what I stated. All I am saying is that is difficult to troubleshoot |on my PPRo . Guess that I will have to switch testing to my P100 which |does have a Natoma chipset. Back from the weekend... Interestingly enough, since Mark/my/your latest round of driver mods, I'm not able to hang the X server anymore. Tried hard, but no can do. :-) With the font refresh corruption immediately preceding the lock-ups and the fact that only the X server crashed, sounded like it was most likely X server corruption to me. Given this, I'm inclined to think fxtv or the bt driver might have had a hand, and its since been fixed (as that's all that's changed). I've got a few guesses as to specific changes, but hey!, I'm not gonna complain. Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Apr 29 17:16:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA19446 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19439 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA11286; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704300015.RAA11286@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Randall Hopper cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bt848/fxtv: More info on system freezes In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 29 Apr 1997 19:47:19 EDT." <19970429194719.27301@ct.picker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:15:51 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Randall Hopper : > Amancio Hasty: > |We may have to file a bug report with the X server group to see if we can > |get them to help us out. I will be honest with you every day I use > |fxtv and I don't get a crash -- once I did get the font corruption and > |the system didn't craash however I have not been able to reproduce it. > | > |My take is that is probably more to do with the PCI chipset. > |The "mistery-bit" on the Bt848 is supposed to be a work around for > |the Natoma chipset. I still don't know what is supposed to do other > |than what I stated. All I am saying is that is difficult to troubleshoot > |on my PPRo . Guess that I will have to switch testing to my P100 which > |does have a Natoma chipset. > > Back from the weekend... > > Interestingly enough, since Mark/my/your latest round of driver mods, I'm > not able to hang the X server anymore. Tried hard, but no can do. :-) Glad to hear that the B848 driver does not crash your system anymore. That reminds me where is that fxtv hadware clip functionality 8) Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Apr 29 17:34:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA20418 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA20410 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29930; Tue, 29 Apr 97 20:34:04 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA28639; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:33:37 -0400 Message-Id: <19970429203337.51018@ct.picker.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:33:37 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Amancio Hasty Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bt848/fxtv: More info on system freezes References: <19970429194719.27301@ct.picker.com> <199704300015.RAA11286@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199704300015.RAA11286@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Tue, Apr 29, 1997 at 05:15:51PM -0700 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty: |Glad to hear that the B848 driver does not crash your system anymore. | |That reminds me where is that fxtv hardware clip functionality 8) (chuckling) Well, them leaves ain't changin' color yet :-) Seriously, it'd be cool and definitely should be added for folks that are doing direct video. On the ranking with other needed features though, seems like animation-, image-, and audio- save to disk might be more cool. Europe/PAL support before that of course -- I'd like to get the Win/TV folks supported too (small fixes: Richard's mailed me a short patch, and beyond that freq alg selection). But if you have some time, please feel free to add in clipping support. Randy From owner-freebsd-multimedia Tue Apr 29 18:44:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA23985 for multimedia-outgoing; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23979 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA00591; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704300144.SAA00591@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Randall Hopper cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bt848/fxtv: More info on system freezes In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:33:37 EDT." <19970429203337.51018@ct.picker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:44:29 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Randall Hopper : > Amancio Hasty: > |Glad to hear that the B848 driver does not crash your system anymore. > | > |That reminds me where is that fxtv hardware clip functionality 8) > > (chuckling) Well, them leaves ain't changin' color yet :-) > > Seriously, it'd be cool and definitely should be added for folks that are > doing direct video. On the ranking with other needed features though, > seems like animation-, image-, and audio- save to disk might be more cool. > Europe/PAL support before that of course -- I'd like to get the Win/TV > folks supported too (small fixes: Richard's mailed me a short patch, and > beyond that freq alg selection). > > But if you have some time, please feel free to add in clipping support. > > Randy Cool, I am looking forward to the next super-duper version of fxtv. I think that you guys have enough functionality to play with for a while. Will probably be back on Bt848 land before Christmas off I go to sound driver land ... Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Apr 30 00:06:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA10731 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA10725 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA18766; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:05:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: "Louis A. Mamakos" cc: Stan Voket , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win TV In-Reply-To: <199704290151.VAA00378@whizzo.transsys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Louis A. Mamakos wrote: > > I've got one of these, and the audio sounds great. While I couldn't swear > to you that it's stereo coming out, it sure sounds like it to me. It's > a great deal, with a street price of about $125 or so. John-Mark Gurney (now-bt driver hacker :) confirmed to me that it is spitting out stereo. dbx is acutally a noise-reduction system. I have my speakers set pretty close apart so it's hard to tell from my setup. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Apr 30 00:08:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA10825 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA10820 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA18854; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:08:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Bernie Doehner cc: "Louis A. Mamakos" , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win TV In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 28 Apr 1997, Bernie Doehner wrote: > Where??? Everwhere I looked they wanted $200-299. The Model 402 (with the FM Tuner) is about that (actually more like $200). I can get the 401's at the UO Bookstore for $115, but that is educational discount. I know you can get them <$150 at the big mailorder places given on the Hauppauge homepage (www.hauppauge.com). > Also, maybe you know of a good place that I can get a GUS MAX (PnP) from? > I have been seeing them for around $120. NOT from Gravis Direct! I _paid_the_price_ for that one, literally :) You should be able to find a good price from the usual big mailorder places like PC Connection (www.pcconnection.com) and others. PCC will also ship overnight for cheap :) I don't know how much street price is, I bought mine several months ago. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Apr 30 00:41:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA12207 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA12200 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA00758; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:39:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199704300739.BAA00758@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: Doug White cc: "Louis A. Mamakos" , Stan Voket , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win TV In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:05:11 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:39:31 -0600 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > John-Mark Gurney (now-bt driver hacker :) confirmed to me that it is > spitting out stereo. dbx is acutally a noise-reduction system. I have my > speakers set pretty close apart so it's hard to tell from my setup. unless someone has done additional work with it it probably isn't as good as it could be. The stereo part's datasheet claims it need to be aligned at the factory with the results being stored into EEProm. The driver needs to read these values and load them into the part. We have no documentation on the EEProm contents so its a bit difficult... When I did the initial coding for the part I turned on stereo out, but thats all. -- Steve Passe | Powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Apr 30 01:42:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA16245 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA16240 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA00342; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199704300840.BAA00342@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Steve Passe cc: Doug White , "Louis A. Mamakos" , Stan Voket , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win TV In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:39:31 MDT." <199704300739.BAA00758@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:40:22 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just the guy I was thing about 8) Do you mind checking the latest round of driver changes? Tnks, Amancio >From The Desk Of Steve Passe : > Hi, > > > John-Mark Gurney (now-bt driver hacker :) confirmed to me that it is > > spitting out stereo. dbx is acutally a noise-reduction system. I have my > > speakers set pretty close apart so it's hard to tell from my setup. > > unless someone has done additional work with it it probably isn't as good as > it > could be. The stereo part's datasheet claims it need to be aligned at the > factory with the results being stored into EEProm. The driver needs to read > these values and load them into the part. We have no documentation on the > EEProm contents so its a bit difficult... When I did the initial coding for > the part I turned on stereo out, but thats all. > > -- > Steve Passe | Powered by > smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD > > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Apr 30 13:37:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16882 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16867 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbag.jf.intel.com (mailbag.jf.intel.com [134.134.248.4]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA06147 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aahz.jf.intel.com (aahz.jf.intel.com [192.198.161.2]) by mailbag.jf.intel.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id KAA20498; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:10:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by aahz.jf.intel.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #13) id m0wMcqC-000hxlC; Wed, 30 Apr 97 10:06 PDT Message-Id: From: batie@aahz.jf.intel.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: Win TV To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bad@uhf.wireless.net, louie@TransSys.COM, multimedia@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Doug White" at Apr 30, 97 00:08:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The Model 402 (with the FM Tuner) is about that (actually more like $200). Actually, 452, according the Hauppauge web page; it's $159 at PC Connection. The 400 is $99 at CompUSA's web page (without dbx), and at QVC. CompUSA doesn't carry the 452, and QVC says they're sold out and don't give a price. Is anyone planning on getting the FM Tuner output, e.g. for feeding to vat/rat? Or does that come automatically with the tv audio feature? -- Alan Batie ------ What goes up, must come down. batie@aahz.jf.intel.com \ / Ask any system administrator. +1 503-264-8844 (voice) \ / --unknown D0 D2 39 0E 02 34 D6 B4 \/ 5A 41 21 8F 23 5F 08 9D From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Apr 30 16:07:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA22095 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA22082 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA08221 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17946; Wed, 30 Apr 97 18:54:59 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA05033; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:54:31 -0400 Message-Id: <19970430185431.16765@ct.picker.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:54:31 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Amancio Hasty Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The "BT848 RISC Challenge" References: <19970425120134.00918@ct.picker.com> <199704252248.PAA10046@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199704252248.PAA10046@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Fri, Apr 25, 1997 at 03:48:24PM -0700 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty: |First of in PC Land we do refer to BGR to RGB. ? sorry, no clue what you meant there |Not sure if we can support what you want. Heck get an S3 card. Re the last part, I feel a bit differently about it. I've got an S3V, but there's nothing sacred about its byte order. If the capture card can support both orderings, the driver probably should so joe-user that has a card with the opposite byte order from mine isn't left out needlessly. Useful for joe if he wants to do 1280x1024@24bpp if he's only got 4Meg (3Bpp flies, but not 4 -- insuff mem). But it doesn't help the 2Meg folks, unless their card won't do 800x600x4Bpp, just 800x600x3Bpp. Given no current customers for this feature, its probably not worth any more brain cells now. |Not sure that the a Risc program is the way to do the pixel reordering |that is if a risc program can doit at all. The PCI latency will probably |kill the risc program. Yeah, I was joking. :-) 2.5Meg for a RISC program is kind'of amusing. Thanks for the reply. Randall |From The Desk Of Randall Hopper : |> THE CHALLENGE: Figure out how to get the BT848 to DMA pixels in |> RGBRGB packed 24bpp (3Bpp) format to the frame |> buffer or memory. |> |> |> It'd be cool if we could do this to support those of us whose |> Xservers config the card for this format. For now, the driver |> limits direct video in 24bpp to those folks that have BGRBGR packed |> 24bpp organization. |> |> SOME OPTIONS: |> |> 1. Put the chip in RGB32 pixel FIFO mode with byte and short |> swapping enabled (ARGBARGB). For each pixel, write 2 RISC |> instructions: a SKIP to skip the Alpha, and a WRITE to blast |> the RGB. |> |> Hmmmmmm, let's see....that's only 2.5 Megs for a 640x480 |> image. :-) |> |> 2. Rotate the HUE 90 deg. (I'm not kidding. It works. |> It's ugly but it works!) |> |> Anybody know a kindler, gentler way to do this on the chip? :-) From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Apr 30 18:17:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA26467 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26462 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id SAA09218 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19980; Wed, 30 Apr 97 21:17:13 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA05196; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:16:45 -0400 Message-Id: <19970430211645.58664@ct.picker.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:16:45 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: multimedia@freebsd.org Cc: Richard Tobin Subject: Fxtv 0.42 - PAL updates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Probably only those working on PAL support will be interested in this version. To work toward full PAL support, max geometry is now set based on the input format selected, and antenna and cable frequency set resources have been added (i.e. NABCST and CABLEIRC aren't hard-coded synonyms for antenna and cable anymore). Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Apr 30 19:42:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA01053 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01030 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 19:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by who.cdrom.com (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA07957 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17398; Wed, 30 Apr 97 18:22:05 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA05012; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:21:38 -0400 Message-Id: <19970430182138.01236@ct.picker.com> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:21:38 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Doug White Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated driver (bt848-970424) References: <19970424204858.07591@ct.picker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: ; from Doug White on Fri, Apr 25, 1997 at 01:36:02AM -0700 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Doug White: |Yes, 24 bit still doesn't work. 15 & 16 bit do though and that is nice! |I can run vic and tv simultaneously now without having to swap Xservers. |;) Well, glad we're getting closer anyway! |The colors come out properly if -nobswap4Bpp or -nowswap4Bpp are set on |the command line. | Rating Class bpp Bpp R,G,B Masks Swap DirectVid | 4 TrueColor 24 4 000000ff, 0000ff00, 00ff0000 -- No That makes sense, given your frame buffer's pixel order. For 0.41, I just defaulted swapping on and gave everyone the capability to tune the swaps to see what everyone needs swap-wise, and through that, to verify that the swaps could be directly inferred from the reported RGB visual masks. So far, it sounds like this is the case. Before I put the smart swapping in, let me verify with you though that when you turn byte and word swapping off for your 4Bpp 24bpp video mode, you "are" getting direct video, right? That is, it's not giving you: |Active visual does not support direct video | ...backing off and using XImages If so, we're in good shape. Please let me know. Thanks, Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Wed Apr 30 20:41:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA04968 for multimedia-outgoing; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA04962 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA00483; Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 20:41:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Randall Hopper cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated driver (bt848-970424) In-Reply-To: <19970430182138.01236@ct.picker.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Randall Hopper wrote: > |The colors come out properly if -nobswap4Bpp or -nowswap4Bpp are set on > |the command line. > > | Rating Class bpp Bpp R,G,B Masks Swap DirectVid > | 4 TrueColor 24 4 000000ff, 0000ff00, 00ff0000 -- No > > That makes sense, given your frame buffer's pixel order. For 0.41, I just > defaulted swapping on and gave everyone the capability to tune the swaps to > see what everyone needs swap-wise, and through that, to verify that the > swaps could be directly inferred from the reported RGB visual masks. So > far, it sounds like this is the case. I can live with the switch, just not Ximages. This is in 24 bit mode, a mode I don't use because I can only cram 800x600 in 2mb of vram. I need my desktop real estate! :) > Before I put the smart swapping in, let me verify with you though that when > you turn byte and word swapping off for your 4Bpp 24bpp video mode, you "are" > getting direct video, right? That is, it's not giving you: > > |Active visual does not support direct video > | ...backing off and using XImages > > If so, we're in good shape. Please let me know. No, sorry Houston... I get ximages mode in 24 bit regardless of the switch settings. The switches primarily control if the color is correct or not. This is now with the code committed today 4/30. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu May 1 04:07:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA17477 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 04:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA17441 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 04:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Thu, 1 May 1997 7:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05067; Thu, 1 May 97 07:05:48 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA05774; Thu, 1 May 1997 07:05:21 -0400 Message-Id: <19970501070521.63393@ct.picker.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 07:05:21 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Doug White Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated driver (bt848-970424) References: <19970430182138.01236@ct.picker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: ; from Doug White on Wed, Apr 30, 1997 at 08:41:01PM -0700 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Doug White: |>| Rating Class bpp Bpp R,G,B Masks Swap DirectV |>| 4 TrueColor 24 4 000000ff, 0000ff00, 00ff0000 -- No | |I can live with the switch, just not Ximages. This is in 24 bit mode, a |mode I don't use because I can only cram 800x600 in 2mb of vram. I need |my desktop real estate! :) Right, I sure agree there. Up until two weeks ago, I was in the same boat (2 Meg). |> Before I put the smart swapping in, let me verify with you though that |> when you turn byte and word swapping off for your 4Bpp 24bpp video |> mode, you "are" getting direct video, right? That is, it's not giving |> you: | |No, sorry Houston... I get ximages mode in 24 bit regardless of the |switch settings. The switches primarily control if the color is correct or |not. Ahhh, I think I know what's going on now. The Bt's 4Bpp format w/ no byte swapping is: ARGB. With byte swapping, you get access to BGRA, GBAR, and RABG. According to your visual's RGB masks (RGB: 0000FF,00FF00,FF0000) and display frame buffer depth (4Bpp), seems you need an ABGR ordering. The Bt can't do it, thus the drop-back to X images. Sorry about that. If the Mach64 server support changing the pixel component ordering for that 4Bpp/24bpp mode to ARGB (I know the chip supports it at least), that should get you going there. Otherwise 15/16bpp might be your best option. Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu May 1 09:50:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02176 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA02166 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 09:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15842; Thu, 1 May 97 12:45:38 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA15536; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:44:57 -0400 Message-Id: <19970501124456.48758@ct.picker.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:44:56 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Narvi , Amancio Hasty Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: the sound/ directory References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: ; from Narvi on Mon, Apr 28, 1997 at 05:32:51PM +0300 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Narvi: |2) Is full-duplex supported on some cards (esp. the sb16/32)? If no, is |anybody out there working/interested in it? With the current FreeBSD drivers, full-duplex PCM isn't supported for SB16 and other PCM-compatible cards (e.g. SB32, AWE32, AWE64, etc.) I've got a SB32 and occasionally do some internet voice, so I'd sure be interested and would help test if someone got to working on full-duplex for SB16 cards. From what I read a while back, to do full duplex with these cards, you have to do something like 8-bit in one direction and 16-bit the other. Hannu termed this too ugly to support, so it didn't materialize in the original Voxware drivers. More than likely, it just didn't fit the driver model he had in mind at the time. Amancio, just a thought to shelve for the future. When you get switched onto the sound driver rework later this year, it'd be cool if the new device model supported this capability. I.e. ioctls to set separate sample formats for PCM play and record for a single sound device (/dev entry), or the ability to wire the PCM input and output to separate sound devices. Now what'd be really nifty is to just toss the many dsp* devices that are there now, create one, add 3 ioctls (query the supported input and output formats, set the input format, and set the output format), and then just let the app chose its favorite input and output formats. Admittedly, this ignores Voxware/TASD/OSS/--whatever compatibility, which is definitely important, but in a virtual world, it'd be nice. :-) Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu May 1 12:11:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10355 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10350 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA16610; Thu, 1 May 1997 12:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:11:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Randall Hopper cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated driver (bt848-970424) In-Reply-To: <19970501070521.63393@ct.picker.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Randall Hopper wrote: > Ahhh, I think I know what's going on now. The Bt's 4Bpp format w/ no byte > swapping is: ARGB. With byte swapping, you get access to BGRA, GBAR, and > RABG. According to your visual's RGB masks (RGB: 0000FF,00FF00,FF0000) and > display frame buffer depth (4Bpp), seems you need an ABGR ordering. The Bt > can't do it, thus the drop-back to X images. Sorry about that. > > If the Mach64 server support changing the pixel component ordering for that > 4Bpp/24bpp mode to ARGB (I know the chip supports it at least), that should > get you going there. Otherwise 15/16bpp might be your best option. This is the best I've heard yet. :) At least you guys can stop banging on this then... Guess it's time to go bother xfree. Thanks all for helping me resolve this. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu May 1 16:06:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA23868 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23863 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00449; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705012306.QAA00449@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Randall Hopper cc: Doug White , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated driver (bt848-970424) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 May 1997 07:05:21 EDT." <19970501070521.63393@ct.picker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:06:28 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of Randall Hopper : > > Ahhh, I think I know what's going on now. The Bt's 4Bpp format w/ no byte > swapping is: ARGB. With byte swapping, you get access to BGRA, GBAR, and > RABG. According to your visual's RGB masks (RGB: 0000FF,00FF00,FF0000) and > display frame buffer depth (4Bpp), seems you need an ABGR ordering. The Bt > can't do it, thus the drop-back to X images. Sorry about that. > > If the Mach64 server support changing the pixel component ordering for that > 4Bpp/24bpp mode to ARGB (I know the chip supports it at least), that should > get you going there. Otherwise 15/16bpp might be your best option. > > Randall Also, if the X server supports 24bit then the Bt848 can do BGR and drop the "A". This can be done by setting the PCI Enable Bytes on the Write Risc Instructions . PCI Enable Bytes is field 15:12 . In this case set the Bt848 to output 32bit , word swap, byte swap, and set bit 12. I don't think that Mach64 supports 24bit. Nevertheless, we should plan to incorporate the PCI Enable Bytes feature. Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu May 1 16:12:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA24121 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24116 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00597 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705012312.QAA00597@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Bt848 IOCTL or Programming Doc? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:12:06 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Before it gets a little out of hand we need a document detailing all the ioctls and how to use them. We can start by a sketchy document and then add/modify it. I am not going to do it mostly because I am writing a document for the sound driver. Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu May 1 16:42:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA25841 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25834 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00373; Thu, 1 May 1997 16:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705012342.QAA00373@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Randall Hopper cc: Doug White , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated driver (bt848-970424) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 May 1997 07:05:21 EDT." <19970501070521.63393@ct.picker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 16:42:26 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Randall, In your driver patch to support generalized pixel format you forgot to have a set of default values for pf_int>color_fmt. For instance, if I use tv which uses ioctl setgeo the risc program actually gets the old value from pf_int->color_fmt Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu May 1 17:14:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28005 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27994 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00432; Thu, 1 May 1997 17:14:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705020014.RAA00432@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Randall Hopper cc: Doug White , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated driver (bt848-970424) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 May 1997 07:05:21 EDT." <19970501070521.63393@ct.picker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 17:14:11 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Randall, In bktr_open add the following: bktr->pixfmt_compat = TRUE; This will enable old meteor programs to correctly set their color format. Tnks, Amancio From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu May 1 20:11:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA07653 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA07642 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Thu, 1 May 1997 23:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10515; Thu, 1 May 97 23:10:04 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA17482; Thu, 1 May 1997 23:09:33 -0400 Message-Id: <19970501230932.46738@ct.picker.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 23:09:32 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Doug White , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated driver (bt848-970424) References: <19970501070521.63393@ct.picker.com> <199705020014.RAA00432@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199705020014.RAA00432@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Thu, May 01, 1997 at 05:14:11PM -0700 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty: |Also, if the X server supports 24bit then the Bt848 can do BGR and drop |the "A". This can be done by setting the PCI Enable Bytes on the Write |Risc Instructions . PCI Enable Bytes is field 15:12 . In this case set the |Bt848 to output 32bit , word swap, byte swap, and set bit 12. | |I don't think that Mach64 supports 24bit. Nevertheless, we should plan |to incorporate the PCI Enable Bytes feature. Ahh, nice find. So the chip does support a reasonable way of doing it. |In your driver patch to support generalized pixel format you forgot to |have a set of default values for pf_int>color_fmt. | |For instance, if I use tv which uses ioctl setgeo the risc program |actually gets the old value from pf_int->color_fmt I'm not sure I follow. pf_int is only a name for a temp variable used to point to a record in the pixfmt_table[], the record for the active pixel format. There's an unused pf_int var in common_ioctl which should be removed, but the other two are initialized when they're declared: pf_int = &pixfmt_table[ bktr->pixfmt ] before they're used. bktr->pixfmt is kept up-to-date with the index of the active pixel format in the table (unless no memory was allocated to the driver in attach) whether we're still in pixmap format compatibility-mode or not, so these pf_int's should point to a valid pixfmt_table[] entry. And so the pf_int->color_fmt reference around line 2317 should give you the COLOR_FMT register value for the active pixel format (from the pixfmt_table[]). Am I missing something? |In bktr_open add the following: | | bktr->pixfmt_compat = TRUE; | |This will enable old meteor programs to correctly set their color format. I think I see where your driving now. That brings up an interesting point. Looking back at it, the current driver sets compatibility mode in attach(), and if its ever switched off, it stays off. I agree, this isn't as it should be. If we were to switch compatibility mode back on on every open though, if the open is for a second simultaneous client, this would mess up the first client's expectations of what the mode is (compatibility on->off). Also if, at the point of the second open(), the current pixel format didn't equate with one of the original valid METEOR pixel formats (RGB16, RGB24), then the pixel format itself would also have to be changed on-the-fly for it to make sense to be back in compatibility mode. This would be dangerous; for example, if fxtv is blasting away and Steve's tvremove were started up, a pixel format change could cause us to write past the end of the frame buffer or the ximage we're currently blasting in. With pixel format compatibility mode, I was trying for backward compatibility with the meteor interface, but the more I think about it it really just creates more problems than it solves. What about nullifying the old #define geo.oformat method of specifying the pixel format, and just adopting the new interface. We don't have so much code already written that it would be a huge task to change over, do we? I think this would be the cleanest solution. Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Thu May 1 20:23:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA08424 for multimedia-outgoing; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA08419 for ; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00897; Thu, 1 May 1997 20:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705020323.UAA00897@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Randall Hopper cc: Doug White , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated driver (bt848-970424) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 01 May 1997 23:09:32 EDT." <19970501230932.46738@ct.picker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 20:23:18 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We want to keep compatibility with the meteor. Your current solution is good it just needs a little tiny more thinking and is not hard to check to see if a program had already open the video to device and use that format. The ability to have multiple clients open the video device is nice however it just simply does not work in general. For instance, if I start a vic window and start grabbing yuv422 then proceed to watch tv using fxtv it will mess up my vic window. It is possible to have two video clients provided that they share the exact geometry . In summary, don't allow multiple clients to open the video device and set the bktr compatibility flag on every open. Tnks, Amancio >From The Desk Of Randall Hopper : > Amancio Hasty: > |Also, if the X server supports 24bit then the Bt848 can do BGR and drop > |the "A". This can be done by setting the PCI Enable Bytes on the Write > |Risc Instructions . PCI Enable Bytes is field 15:12 . In this case set the > |Bt848 to output 32bit , word swap, byte swap, and set bit 12. > | > |I don't think that Mach64 supports 24bit. Nevertheless, we should plan > |to incorporate the PCI Enable Bytes feature. > > Ahh, nice find. So the chip does support a reasonable way of doing > it. > > > |In your driver patch to support generalized pixel format you forgot to > |have a set of default values for pf_int>color_fmt. > | > |For instance, if I use tv which uses ioctl setgeo the risc program > |actually gets the old value from pf_int->color_fmt > > I'm not sure I follow. pf_int is only a name for a temp variable used > to point to a record in the pixfmt_table[], the record for the active pixel > format. > > There's an unused pf_int var in common_ioctl which should be removed, > but the other two are initialized when they're declared: > > pf_int = &pixfmt_table[ bktr->pixfmt ] > > before they're used. bktr->pixfmt is kept up-to-date with the index of the > active pixel format in the table (unless no memory was allocated to the > driver in attach) whether we're still in pixmap format compatibility-mode > or not, so these pf_int's should point to a valid pixfmt_table[] entry. > > And so the pf_int->color_fmt reference around line 2317 should give > you the COLOR_FMT register value for the active pixel format (from the > pixfmt_table[]). > > Am I missing something? > > > |In bktr_open add the following: > | > | bktr->pixfmt_compat = TRUE; > | > |This will enable old meteor programs to correctly set their color format. > > I think I see where your driving now. That brings up an interesting point. > Looking back at it, the current driver sets compatibility mode in attach(), > and if its ever switched off, it stays off. I agree, this isn't as it > should be. > > If we were to switch compatibility mode back on on every open though, if > the open is for a second simultaneous client, this would mess up the first > client's expectations of what the mode is (compatibility on->off). Also > if, at the point of the second open(), the current pixel format didn't > equate with one of the original valid METEOR pixel formats (RGB16, RGB24), > then the pixel format itself would also have to be changed on-the-fly for > it to make sense to be back in compatibility mode. This would be > dangerous; for example, if fxtv is blasting away and Steve's tvremove were > started up, a pixel format change could cause us to write past the end of > the frame buffer or the ximage we're currently blasting in. > > With pixel format compatibility mode, I was trying for backward > compatibility with the meteor interface, but the more I think about it it > really just creates more problems than it solves. What about nullifying > the old #define geo.oformat method of specifying the pixel format, and just > adopting the new interface. We don't have so much code already written > that it would be a huge task to change over, do we? I think this would be > the cleanest solution. > > Randall > > > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 00:16:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA17997 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 00:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA17992 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 00:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA06541; Fri, 2 May 1997 00:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 00:16:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Amancio Hasty cc: Randall Hopper , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated driver (bt848-970424) In-Reply-To: <199705012306.QAA00449@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 1 May 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > I don't think that Mach64 supports 24bit. Um, no. I'm quite positive it does. It doesn't have a true 32 bit mode, it runs 24 instead. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 00:22:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA18289 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 00:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (gdi.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA18284 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 00:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA06634; Fri, 2 May 1997 00:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 00:22:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Amancio Hasty cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win TV In-Reply-To: <199704300840.BAA00342@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Just the guy I was thing about 8) > > Do you mind checking the latest round of driver changes? This is an oldie but the driver itself works without crashing. I've never had the driver do anything bad on my system though. Same problem exists however, but I'm not blaming that on the driver anymore (unless you guys can do some interesting bit gymnastics). Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 00:34:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA18554 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 00:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA18549 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 00:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA00432; Fri, 2 May 1997 00:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705020733.AAA00432@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Doug White cc: multimedia@freebsd.org, David Dawes Subject: Re: Win TV In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 May 1997 00:22:25 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 00:33:05 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I ask Steve to check in the changes because enough people had verify the functionality and because I want to have new development done over that code base. Trust me it helps a lot in way of keeping it all together. Dave, Can you tell us if the Mach64 Server supports 24 bit or 32bit? It makes a difference in way of being able to directly transfer video data to the linear frame buffer. Tnks, Amancio >From The Desk Of Doug White : > On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > Just the guy I was thing about 8) > > > > Do you mind checking the latest round of driver changes? > > This is an oldie but the driver itself works without crashing. I've never > had the driver do anything bad on my system though. Same problem exists > however, but I'm not blaming that on the driver anymore (unless you guys > can do some interesting bit gymnastics). > > Doug White | University of Oregon > Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant > http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 02:22:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA22155 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 02:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA22150 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 02:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA02729; Fri, 2 May 1997 02:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970502022227.41154@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 02:22:27 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: the bt848, more the programs that use DGA extensions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-960801-SNAP i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk well... I have gotten my STB TV Tuner card (I can sell these card to people at $130+shipping if anybody is interested)... now I seem to have a problem with XFree86 giving return errors on the DGA calls... the two that I get (first with fxtv, second with dtv) are: hydrogen,ttyp3,~/bktr/fxtv-0.41,502$./fxtv ./fxtv X Error of failed request: 153 Major opcode of failed request: 142 (XFree86-DGA) Minor opcode of failed request: 0 (XF86DGAQueryVersion) Serial number of failed request: 12 Current serial number in output stream: 12 hydrogen,ttyp3,~/bktr/dtv,504$./tv X Error of failed request: 153 Major opcode of failed request: 142 (XFree86-DGA) Minor opcode of failed request: 1 (XF86DGAGetVideoLL) Serial number of failed request: 17 Current serial number in output stream: 17 right now I'm running a CLGD5440, but XFree86 sees it as a clgd5430... is the problem with me not having a compatible video card? and if so, which should I choose? a CLGD5446 or a Diamond Stealth 64? (both will have 2megs ram) toe card probes fine... (any body object to me modifing the bt848 driver so it isn't Linux like?) as you can see below... bktr0 rev 17 int a irq 14 on pci0:9 mapreg[10] type=0 addr=fd000000 size=1000. reg16: virtual=0xf5cf5000 physical=0xfd000000 size=0x1000 brooktree0: PCI bus latency is 32. bktr0: buffer size 3555328, addr 0x2cc000 STB TV/PCI, Temic NTSC tuner, dbx stereo. vga0 rev 71 on pci0:10 mapreg[10] type=0 addr=fc000000 size=1000000. pci0: uses 16781312 bytes of memory from fc000000 upto fd000fff. pci0: uses 4 bytes of I/O space from 6000 upto 6003. right now I'm going to try xtvr as soon as I complete the build for FWF... -- John-Mark Cu Networking Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 02:49:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA22980 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 02:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au [129.78.129.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA22975 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 02:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dawes@localhost) by rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) id TAA04408; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:48:52 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19970502194852.15633@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 19:48:52 +1000 From: David Dawes To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Doug White , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win TV References: <199705020733.AAA00432@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199705020733.AAA00432@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Fri, May 02, 1997 at 12:33:05AM -0700 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, May 02, 1997 at 12:33:05AM -0700, Amancio Hasty wrote: >Hi, > >I ask Steve to check in the changes because enough people had verify >the functionality and because I want to have new development done >over that code base. Trust me it helps a lot in way of keeping it >all together. > > > >Dave, > >Can you tell us if the Mach64 Server supports 24 bit or 32bit? >It makes a difference in way of being able to directly transfer >video data to the linear frame buffer. Currently only the 32 bit sparse format. David From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 03:10:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA23606 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 03:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA23601 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 03:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA07889; Fri, 2 May 1997 03:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705021010.DAA07889@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: John-Mark Gurney cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the bt848, more the programs that use DGA extensions In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 May 1997 02:22:27 PDT." <19970502022227.41154@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 03:10:26 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Talk to the XFree86 people about X errors . That particular card probably does not support properly the DGA extension . You can always find out by reading README. from the XFree86 distribution . Try to get a VRAM card such as an S3 968. Try not to get DRAM based cards because they are not really that fast for you. I take a little offense with the implication that the driver is related to anything from the linux camp. The core video technology was written from scratch straight out of the Bt848 databook and I am not so sure that the tuner code has that much to share with the linux driver also. The driver model came out of the Matrox Meteor driver which for a long time there was no linux counterpart. So in summary, the BT848 driver at least the video component is 100% FreeBSD grown 8) Try not to watch too much TV. Oh thats just a little problem I got over here with TV on my PC 8) Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of John-Mark Gurney : > well... I have gotten my STB TV Tuner card (I can sell these card to > people at $130+shipping if anybody is interested)... > > now I seem to have a problem with XFree86 giving return errors on the > DGA calls... the two that I get (first with fxtv, second with dtv) are: > hydrogen,ttyp3,~/bktr/fxtv-0.41,502$./fxtv > ./fxtv > X Error of failed request: 153 > Major opcode of failed request: 142 (XFree86-DGA) > Minor opcode of failed request: 0 (XF86DGAQueryVersion) > Serial number of failed request: 12 > Current serial number in output stream: 12 > > hydrogen,ttyp3,~/bktr/dtv,504$./tv > X Error of failed request: 153 > Major opcode of failed request: 142 (XFree86-DGA) > Minor opcode of failed request: 1 (XF86DGAGetVideoLL) > Serial number of failed request: 17 > Current serial number in output stream: 17 > > right now I'm running a CLGD5440, but XFree86 sees it as a clgd5430... > is the problem with me not having a compatible video card? and if so, > which should I choose? a CLGD5446 or a Diamond Stealth 64? (both will > have 2megs ram) > > toe card probes fine... (any body object to me modifing the bt848 driver > so it isn't Linux like?) as you can see below... > bktr0 rev 17 int a irq 14 on pci0:9 > mapreg[10] type=0 addr=fd000000 size=1000. > reg16: virtual=0xf5cf5000 physical=0xfd000000 size=0x1000 > brooktree0: PCI bus latency is 32. > bktr0: buffer size 3555328, addr 0x2cc000 > STB TV/PCI, Temic NTSC tuner, dbx stereo. > vga0 rev 71 on pci0:10 > mapreg[10] type=0 addr=fc000000 size=1000000. > pci0: uses 16781312 bytes of memory from fc000000 upto fd000fff. > pci0: uses 4 bytes of I/O space from 6000 upto 6003. > > right now I'm going to try xtvr as soon as I complete the build for FWF... > > -- > John-Mark > Cu Networking Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 > > Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 03:12:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA23691 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 03:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA23686 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 03:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA07923; Fri, 2 May 1997 03:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705021012.DAA07923@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: David Dawes cc: Doug White , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win TV In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 May 1997 19:48:52 +1000." <19970502194852.15633@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 03:12:43 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Got two more questions: Is anyone over there working on a video extension for X? Is anyone working on YUV to RGB color expansion for cards which can support it? Tnks! Amancio >From The Desk Of David Dawes : > On Fri, May 02, 1997 at 12:33:05AM -0700, Amancio Hasty wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I ask Steve to check in the changes because enough people had verify > >the functionality and because I want to have new development done > >over that code base. Trust me it helps a lot in way of keeping it > >all together. > > > > > > > >Dave, > > > >Can you tell us if the Mach64 Server supports 24 bit or 32bit? > >It makes a difference in way of being able to directly transfer > >video data to the linear frame buffer. > > Currently only the 32 bit sparse format. > > David From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 03:35:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA24392 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 03:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA24387 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 03:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA00579; Fri, 2 May 1997 03:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970502031900.14251@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 03:19:00 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Amancio Hasty Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the bt848, more the programs that use DGA extensions References: <19970502022227.41154@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> <199705021010.DAA07889@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199705021010.DAA07889@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Fri, May 02, 1997 at 03:10:26AM -0700 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-960801-SNAP i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty scribbled this message on May 2: > Talk to the XFree86 people about X errors . That particular card probably does > not support properly the DGA extension . You can always find out by > reading README. from the XFree86 distribution . ok.. I'll check it.. I've tried it with 3.2 and 3.2A, but right now I'm going to go find the file that has the specific info... > Try to get a VRAM card such as an S3 968. Try not to get DRAM based cards > because they are not really that fast for you. ok.. sounds good... > I take a little offense with the implication that the driver is related to > anything from the linux camp. sorry... I was just talking about the probe output... their output is Linux like (that is ALL that I ment by the statement)... basicly you have a line without the driver id put before it... Linux does this plus other anoying things (like Mklinux you have COLOR console with each of COLOR a different color) > The core video technology was written from scratch straight out of the > Bt848 databook and I am not so sure that the tuner code has that much to share > with the linux driver also. The driver model came out of the Matrox > Meteor driver which for a long time there was no linux counterpart. > > So in summary, the BT848 driver at least the video component is 100% > FreeBSD grown 8) well.. I'm glad to hear that... > Try not to watch too much TV. Oh thats just a little problem I got > over here with TV on my PC 8) heh... I hope to fix my video card soon... (but at least I still have my small 10" monitor to watch tv)... ttyl.. > >From The Desk Of John-Mark Gurney : > > well... I have gotten my STB TV Tuner card (I can sell these card to > > people at $130+shipping if anybody is interested)... > > > > now I seem to have a problem with XFree86 giving return errors on the > > DGA calls... the two that I get (first with fxtv, second with dtv) are: > > hydrogen,ttyp3,~/bktr/fxtv-0.41,502$./fxtv > > ./fxtv > > X Error of failed request: 153 > > Major opcode of failed request: 142 (XFree86-DGA) > > Minor opcode of failed request: 0 (XF86DGAQueryVersion) > > Serial number of failed request: 12 > > Current serial number in output stream: 12 > > > > hydrogen,ttyp3,~/bktr/dtv,504$./tv > > X Error of failed request: 153 > > Major opcode of failed request: 142 (XFree86-DGA) > > Minor opcode of failed request: 1 (XF86DGAGetVideoLL) > > Serial number of failed request: 17 > > Current serial number in output stream: 17 > > > > right now I'm running a CLGD5440, but XFree86 sees it as a clgd5430... > > is the problem with me not having a compatible video card? and if so, > > which should I choose? a CLGD5446 or a Diamond Stealth 64? (both will > > have 2megs ram) > > > > toe card probes fine... (any body object to me modifing the bt848 driver > > so it isn't Linux like?) as you can see below... > > bktr0 rev 17 int a irq 14 on pci0:9 > > mapreg[10] type=0 addr=fd000000 size=1000. > > reg16: virtual=0xf5cf5000 physical=0xfd000000 size=0x1000 > > brooktree0: PCI bus latency is 32. > > bktr0: buffer size 3555328, addr 0x2cc000 > > STB TV/PCI, Temic NTSC tuner, dbx stereo. > > vga0 rev 71 on pci0:10 > > mapreg[10] type=0 addr=fc000000 size=1000000. > > pci0: uses 16781312 bytes of memory from fc000000 upto fd000fff. > > pci0: uses 4 bytes of I/O space from 6000 upto 6003. > > > > right now I'm going to try xtvr as soon as I complete the build for FWF... > > > > -- > > John-Mark > > Cu Networking Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 > > > > Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD > > -- John-Mark Cu Networking Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 03:52:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA24855 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 03:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA24848 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 03:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Fri, 2 May 1997 6:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17290; Fri, 2 May 97 06:51:17 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id GAA17627; Fri, 2 May 1997 06:50:48 -0400 Message-Id: <19970502065048.46306@ct.picker.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 06:50:48 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Amancio Hasty Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated driver (bt848-970424) References: <19970501230932.46738@ct.picker.com> <199705020323.UAA00897@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199705020323.UAA00897@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Thu, May 01, 1997 at 08:23:18PM -0700 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty: |In summary, don't allow multiple clients to open the video device and |set the bktr compatibility flag on every open. Sounds good--not allowing multiple opens makes sense. With this restriction, I agree, reactivating compat mode in open() is a good idea. To fully-reset the driver to compatibility mode you probably want a few more lines: bktr->pixfmt_compat = TRUE; bktr->format = METEOR_GEO_RGB16; bktr->pixfmt = oformat_meteor_to_bt( bktr->format ); just so that the pixmap format is reset to a meteor-compatible format. Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 04:05:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA25105 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 04:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA25100 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 04:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA10290; Fri, 2 May 1997 04:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705021105.EAA10290@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Randall Hopper cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updated driver (bt848-970424) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 May 1997 07:00:39 EDT." <19970502070039.11325@ct.picker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 04:05:24 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Oh, I am sure someone in the list can help you out. So who is going to volunteer to commit the patch? Tnks, Amancio >From The Desk Of Randall Hopper : > Amancio Hasty: > |Tnks for sending the patch however I am pretty much in sound land so > |*pretty* please make sure the patch goes into current. > | > | Tnks! > | Amancio > > Well, I don't have commit priviledges. Maybe Steve might do it when he > gets a few minutes. > > Thanks, > > Randy > > > |From The Desk Of Randall Hopper : > |> Amancio Hasty: > |> |In summary, don't allow multiple clients to open the video device and > |> |set the bktr compatibility flag on every open. > |> > |> Sounds good--not allowing multiple opens makes sense. With this > |> restriction, I agree, reactivating compat mode in open() is a good idea. > |> > |> To fully-reset the driver to compatibility mode you probably want a > |> few more lines: > |> > |> bktr->pixfmt_compat = TRUE; > |> bktr->format = METEOR_GEO_RGB16; > |> bktr->pixfmt = oformat_meteor_to_bt( bktr->format ); > |> > |> just so that the pixmap format is reset to a meteor-compatible format. > |> > |> Randall > |> > |> > |> > | > | > | From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 04:40:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA26210 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 04:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA26205 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 04:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id EAA01448; Fri, 2 May 1997 04:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970502043949.05741@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 04:39:49 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Randall Hopper , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Updated driver (bt848-970424) References: <19970502070039.11325@ct.picker.com> <199705021105.EAA10290@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199705021105.EAA10290@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Fri, May 02, 1997 at 04:05:24AM -0700 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-960801-SNAP i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty scribbled this message on May 2: > Oh, I am sure someone in the list can help you out. > So who is going to volunteer to commit the patch? I'll do it.. just send me the patch... :) > >From The Desk Of Randall Hopper : > > Amancio Hasty: > > |Tnks for sending the patch however I am pretty much in sound land so > > |*pretty* please make sure the patch goes into current. > > > > Well, I don't have commit priviledges. Maybe Steve might do it when he > > gets a few minutes. -- John-Mark Cu Networking Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 06:25:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA00285 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 06:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whqvax.picker.com (whqvax.picker.com [144.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA00280 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 06:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ct.picker.com by whqvax.picker.com with SMTP; Fri, 2 May 1997 9:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elmer.ct.picker.com ([144.54.57.34]) by ct.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21064; Fri, 2 May 97 09:24:44 EDT Received: by elmer.ct.picker.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA21103; Fri, 2 May 1997 09:24:16 -0400 Message-Id: <19970502092415.58144@ct.picker.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 09:24:15 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: John-Mark Gurney Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the bt848, more the programs that use DGA extensions References: <19970502022227.41154@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <19970502022227.41154@hydrogen.nike.efn.org>; from John-Mark Gurney on Fri, May 02, 1997 at 02:22:27AM -0700 Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John-Mark Gurney: |now I seem to have a problem with XFree86 giving return errors on the |DGA calls... the two that I get (first with fxtv, second with dtv) are: |hydrogen,ttyp3,~/bktr/fxtv-0.41,502$./fxtv |./fxtv |X Error of failed request: 153 | Major opcode of failed request: 142 (XFree86-DGA) | Minor opcode of failed request: 0 (XF86DGAQueryVersion) | Serial number of failed request: 12 | Current serial number in output stream: 12 Hmm. Interesting. If this is what we can expect from XFree servers when the DGA extension isn't supported (even in releases where DGA is supported by some servers), I can patch in an X error handler to trap this and just turn off direct video for all video modes. That'll get you going on XImages. I'll add it this evening or tomorrow, and mail you to see if that gets you full-up or not. Randall From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 06:41:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA00849 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 06:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au [129.78.129.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA00844 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 06:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dawes@localhost) by rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) id XAA05284; Fri, 2 May 1997 23:40:45 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19970502234045.51319@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 23:40:45 +1000 From: David Dawes To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Doug White , multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win TV References: <19970502194852.15633@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> <199705021012.DAA07923@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199705021012.DAA07923@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Fri, May 02, 1997 at 03:12:43AM -0700 Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, May 02, 1997 at 03:12:43AM -0700, Amancio Hasty wrote: >Hi, > >Got two more questions: > >Is anyone over there working on a video extension for X? >Is anyone working on YUV to RGB color expansion for cards which >can support it? Not that I'm aware of, but there are some people here interested in this sort of thing. David From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 09:12:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA08372 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 09:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA08367 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 09:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14245; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:11:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199705021611.KAA14245@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: John-Mark Gurney cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the bt848, more the programs that use DGA extensions In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 May 1997 02:22:27 PDT." <19970502022227.41154@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 10:11:54 -0600 Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > toe card probes fine... (any body object to me modifing the bt848 driver > so it isn't Linux like?) as you can see below... not being familiar with linux I'm not sure what this refers to... but being the one who wrote the probe code I'm curious what you propose to do... -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 10:05:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA10605 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uhf.wdc.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10600 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA03204 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 13:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 13:07:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: To be a quickcam or not to be. In-Reply-To: <19970502234045.51319@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Gang: Yesterday at a Electronic Beautique in a different city I saw something that looked a lot like a Quickcam. It's called "The Smart One", Digital Color Camera by Best Data. Is this a Quickcam clone?? I am personaly looking at getting the Win/TV board, but this is a for a scool project (professor wants a quickcam). This "The Smart one" only costs $169 for the color version vs. $230-250 for the regular color Quickcam. Bernie From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 10:53:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA12990 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA12981 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA07119; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:09:38 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199705021709.TAA07119@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: To be a quickcam or not to be. To: bad@uhf.wireless.net (Bernie Doehner) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 19:09:37 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Bernie Doehner" at May 2, 97 01:06:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > I am personaly looking at getting the Win/TV board, but this is a for a > scool project (professor wants a quickcam). > > This "The Smart one" only costs $169 for the color version vs. $230-250 > for the regular color Quickcam. for cheap videoconferencing stuff, also note that now are available on the market kits containing a PCI video acquisition board and a (small, cheap) camera. I first saw a note about them on the news, stating a price of $199 or so in some place in asia (Japan, singapore ?). A couple of weeks ago I found on a catalogue the following item: AVER TV PHONE TV - radio - videoconferencing L. 504.000 incl. vat (approx 250 US$ + VAT). consider that the color quickcam here costs about 630.000 including vat. the picture accompanying the announcement shows a PCI card which looks much like a Bt848 unit with a tuner, a TV remote control, and a thing which is either a microphone or (more likely) a camera. God knows if you get a camera for that price, but it would not be unreasonable, after all the video acquisition board might well sold for $100 and a small cheap color camera should not be that expensive, in volumes. Cheers Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 14:45:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA25031 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moonpie.w8hd.org (moonpie.w8hd.org [198.252.159.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25024 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 14:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moonpie.w8hd.org (moonpie.w8hd.org [198.252.159.14]) by moonpie.w8hd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA20020 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 17:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 17:45:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Kim Culhan To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: oss beta31 on GUS PnP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The latest ossfreebsd38-beta31 works for the included 'play' program but maplay does not work well here, anyone able to test this ? -kim -- kimc@w8hd.org From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 15:14:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA26641 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26636 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02134; Fri, 2 May 1997 15:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705022211.PAA02134@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Kim Culhan cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oss beta31 on GUS PnP In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 May 1997 17:45:14 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 15:11:50 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Don't forget to send a bug report to 4Front ... It helps in way of showing interest . Regards, Amancio >From The Desk Of Kim Culhan : > > The latest ossfreebsd38-beta31 works for the included 'play' program but > maplay does not work well here, anyone able to test this ? > > -kim > > -- > kimc@w8hd.org > From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 16:14:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA29424 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fyeung5 (netific.vip.best.com [205.149.182.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA29419 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fyeung8.netific.com (fyeung8 [204.238.125.8]) by fyeung5 (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA08093 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 04:23:34 -0700 Received: by fyeung8.netific.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19287; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:21:52 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 16:21:52 -0700 From: fyeung@fyeung8.netific.com (Francis Yeung) Message-Id: <9705022321.AA19287@fyeung8.netific.com> To: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Adaptec IRda driver X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings, Does FreeBSD support IRda ? Is there a driver for that ? Adaptec makes an IRda board. Is there a driver for the Adaptec board ? Thank you for your help. Francis From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 16:29:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA29956 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moonpie.w8hd.org (moonpie.w8hd.org [198.252.159.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29947 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 16:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moonpie.w8hd.org (moonpie.w8hd.org [198.252.159.14]) by moonpie.w8hd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA20261; Fri, 2 May 1997 19:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 19:28:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Kim Culhan To: Amancio Hasty cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oss beta31 on GUS PnP In-Reply-To: <199705022211.PAA02134@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 2 May 1997, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Don't forget to send a bug report to 4Front ... It helps in way of showing > interest . Will do. -kim From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 18:03:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03741 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03736 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA02688; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970502180319.40838@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 18:03:19 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Randall Hopper Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the bt848, more the programs that use DGA extensions References: <19970502022227.41154@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> <19970502092415.58144@ct.picker.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <19970502092415.58144@ct.picker.com>; from Randall Hopper on Fri, May 02, 1997 at 09:24:15AM -0400 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-960801-SNAP i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Randall Hopper scribbled this message on May 2: > John-Mark Gurney: > |now I seem to have a problem with XFree86 giving return errors on the > |DGA calls... the two that I get (first with fxtv, second with dtv) are: > |hydrogen,ttyp3,~/bktr/fxtv-0.41,502$./fxtv > |./fxtv > |X Error of failed request: 153 > | Major opcode of failed request: 142 (XFree86-DGA) > | Minor opcode of failed request: 0 (XF86DGAQueryVersion) > | Serial number of failed request: 12 > | Current serial number in output stream: 12 > > Hmm. Interesting. If this is what we can expect from XFree servers when > the DGA extension isn't supported (even in releases where DGA is supported > by some servers), I can patch in an X error handler to trap this and just > turn off direct video for all video modes. That'll get you going on > XImages. is there any way to force it even if we don't have DGA extensions?? because I am operating in a linear frame buffer... so if you could just ask for a address I would be able to provide you with one... > I'll add it this evening or tomorrow, and mail you to see if that gets you > full-up or not. well.. XImages mode will really suck on this machine... I can't even run xjewel with any decient performance... guess I will really have to buy a new video card... ttyl.. -- John-Mark Cu Networking Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 18:05:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03835 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03829 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA02701; Fri, 2 May 1997 18:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970502180534.48747@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 18:05:34 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Steve Passe Cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the bt848, more the programs that use DGA extensions References: <19970502022227.41154@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> <199705021611.KAA14245@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199705021611.KAA14245@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com>; from Steve Passe on Fri, May 02, 1997 at 10:11:54AM -0600 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-960801-SNAP i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Steve Passe scribbled this message on May 2: > Hi, > > > toe card probes fine... (any body object to me modifing the bt848 driver > > so it isn't Linux like?) as you can see below... > > not being familiar with linux I'm not sure what this refers to... > but being the one who wrote the probe code I'm curious what you propose > to do... well.. currently in non-verbose mode the driver outputs: bktr0 rev 17 int a irq 14 on pci0:9 STB TV/PCI, Temic NTSC tuner, dbx stereo. or something very similar... all I'm suggesting is adding `bktr0: ' to the begining of the line... basicly linux doesn't have that leader that BSD's do.. and it causes the bootup messages to be very ugly... ttyl.. -- John-Mark Cu Networking Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 20:40:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA09383 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (root@[146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA09378 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 20:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.5/8.7.3) id AAA06246 for multimedia@freebsd.org; Sat, 3 May 1997 00:40:19 -0300 (EST) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199705030340.AAA06246@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: ATI TV To: multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 3 May 1997 00:40:19 -0300 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Are there any plans to make a driver for ATI TV ? These boards are starting to be common here in Brasil, and my office is buying one right now. It's main function will be to capture video (Winblows, argh), but I'd love to use it with VIC to make local video conferencing with FreeBSD a reality. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 ( Job ) jonny@cisi.coppe.ufrj.br Network Manager UFRJ/COPPE/CISI Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 21:02:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA10318 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA10313 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA19431; Fri, 2 May 1997 21:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199705030401.VAA19431@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis cc: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATI TV In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 May 1997 00:40:19 -0300." <199705030340.AAA06246@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 21:01:57 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Try to find out the chipset . Also, try to consider the Bt848 based cards such as WinCast TV which we do support rather nicely. Cheers, Amancio >From The Desk Of Joao Carlos Mendes Luis : > Hi, > > Are there any plans to make a driver for ATI TV ? > > These boards are starting to be common here in Brasil, and my > office is buying one right now. It's main function will be to > capture video (Winblows, argh), but I'd love to use it with VIC > to make local video conferencing with FreeBSD a reality. > > Jonny > > -- > Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br > +55 21 290-4698 ( Job ) jonny@cisi.coppe.ufrj.br > Network Manager UFRJ/COPPE/CISI > Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro From owner-freebsd-multimedia Fri May 2 23:12:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA14881 for multimedia-outgoing; Fri, 2 May 1997 23:12:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from u1.farm.idt.net (root@u1.farm.idt.net [169.132.8.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA14875 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 23:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sequoia (ppp-7.ts-1.mlb.idt.net [169.132.71.7]) by u1.farm.idt.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA10880; Sat, 3 May 1997 02:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <336AD71F.41C67EA6@idt.net> Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 02:11:43 -0400 From: "Gary T. Corcoran" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amancio Hasty CC: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis , multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATI TV References: <199705030401.VAA19431@rah.star-gate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >From The Desk Of Joao Carlos Mendes Luis : > > Hi, > > > > Are there any plans to make a driver for ATI TV ? Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Try to find out the chipset . > I just bought one of these (destined for my Win95 machine). There is no "chipset". It is an ISA plug-in card, which, however, only connects to power and ground. It connects via a private cable to an ATI card with an "AMC" (ATI Media Connector). The tuner is a Philips can that looks just like the Temic/Philips tuners on the cards you've been developing for. But since the interface to them must be ATI proprietary, a FreeBSD driver for the ATI TV tuner would take a lot of 'investigating'... > Also, try to consider the Bt848 based cards such as WinCast TV which we > do support rather nicely. > If I was buying a board to use with FreeBSD, I'd go with one of those (Bt848-based cards) [I already have a TV next to my FreeBSD machine :-)] Gary