From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Oct 12 19:35:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA08326 for smp-outgoing; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:35:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from aludra.usc.edu (aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA08321 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:35:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from svincent@scf-fs.usc.edu) Received: from localhost (svincent@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id SAA19863; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:40:20 -0700 (PDT) From: svincent Reply-To: svincent To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org cc: Pavlin Subject: volunteers for SMP coding Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Pavlin Radoslavov and I (S Vincent) are graduate students at USC, LA. We have a distributed systems project to do, and were serious and eager to do some coding for a multiprocessor system. We looked at the to-do list and were interested in these two things. Additional run queue management. * run queue needs restructuring so that there is a per-cpu queue of runnable tasks. This means that a cpu could access it's own run queue outside the kernel lock. * make shared address spaces work.. The VM system needs to know when the page tables of a "!= curproc" process might be in use on another cpu (ie: check all other SMPcurproc[]'s). When modifying the current process it needs to check the vmspace reference count and do the appropriate IPI's to the other cpu. Locking is a problem here. We'd be grateful to have any advice - while we get done with installing, tests and such things. S Vincent Pavlin Radoslavov From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Oct 12 22:18:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA18037 for smp-outgoing; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:18:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from aludra.usc.edu (aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA18024; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:18:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from svincent@scf-fs.usc.edu) Received: from localhost (svincent@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id WAA20808; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:18:31 -0700 (PDT) From: svincent To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-problems@freebsd.org Subject: 3.0-971010-SNAP ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've tried installing this, but it seems to only come up with the 2.2.5-BETA release. The 3.0-971010-SNAP directory seems to be containing 2.2.5-BETA stuff. The 3.0-971012-SNAP directory in not available to cd to. What's up ? Vince On Sun, 12 Oct 1997, svincent wrote: > > Hello, > > Pavlin Radoslavov and I (S Vincent) are graduate students at USC, LA. > We have a distributed systems project to do, and were serious and eager > to do some coding for a multiprocessor system. > > We looked at the to-do list and were interested in these two things. > > Additional run queue management. > > * run queue needs restructuring so that there is a per-cpu queue of > runnable tasks. This means that a cpu could access it's own run > queue outside the kernel lock. > > * make shared address spaces work.. The VM system needs to know when > the page tables of a "!= curproc" process might be in use on > another cpu (ie: check all other SMPcurproc[]'s). When modifying > the current process it needs to check the vmspace reference count > and do the appropriate IPI's to the other cpu. Locking is a problem > here. > > We'd be grateful to have any advice - while we get done with > installing, tests and such things. > > S Vincent > Pavlin Radoslavov > > > From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Oct 12 22:30:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA19036 for smp-outgoing; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:30:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA19027 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:30:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA29106 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd029103; Mon Oct 13 05:28:08 1997 Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:26:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: smp@freebsd.org Subject: anyone care to explain the locking? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk specifically, my DEVFS causes problems on reboot. the sequence is: reboot->boot->vfs_unmountall->dounmount->lockmgr->aquiredrain->tsleep I'm slowly working my way through this, but it would save me a LOT of grief if someone would tell me who is supposed to set the condition that aquiredrain() is waiting for? In other words what should DEVFS do so that the tsleep() doesn't get called? (or at least DOES finish) at the moment, I need to hit reset. it's ok becasue all FSs are sync()'d already, but it's a pain. so I guess my question is: "What the heck is 'aquiredrain' aquiring?" julian From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Oct 12 23:26:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA21789 for smp-outgoing; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:26:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA21784 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:26:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fbsd@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA23489; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:26:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199710130626.AAA23489@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: svincent cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3.0-971010-SNAP ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:18:31 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:26:37 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > I've tried installing this, but it seems to only come up with the > 2.2.5-BETA release. > > The 3.0-971010-SNAP directory seems to be containing 2.2.5-BETA stuff. > The 3.0-971012-SNAP directory in not available to cd to. > > What's up ? I'm not sure what the problem here is, but its not an SMP problem. SMP has been part of -current for many months now, once you get -current you'll have SMP... -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Oct 13 00:54:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA27873 for smp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:54:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA27863; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:53:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA08899; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:53:16 -0700 (PDT) To: svincent cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, freebsd-problems@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3.0-971010-SNAP ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:18:31 PDT." Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:53:16 -0700 Message-ID: <8896.876729196@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I've tried installing this, but it seems to only come up with the > 2.2.5-BETA release. > > The 3.0-971010-SNAP directory seems to be containing 2.2.5-BETA stuff. > The 3.0-971012-SNAP directory in not available to cd to. Sorry, slight technical difficulties caused by sleepy operator. :-) I'll have it all fixed there shortly! Jordan From owner-freebsd-smp Mon Oct 13 01:55:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA02896 for smp-outgoing; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 01:55:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from paert.tse-online.de (paert.tse-online.de [194.97.69.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA02885 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 01:55:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ab@paert.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 17907 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Oct 1997 08:28:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19971013102814.25573@paert.tse-online.de> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 10:28:14 +0200 From: braukmann@tse-online.de To: chat@freebsd.org Cc: smp@freebsd.org Subject: success and happiness ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 Organization: TSE TeleService GmbH Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, A few months ago I put together a new 'personal workstation'. I've chosen: - Gigabyte 686DX (ATX) - PPro 200 (256kB Cache) * 2 (couldn't get the 166MHz/512kB here in Germany) - 128 MB RAM (FP) - AHA 2940AU - IBM DCAS 4.3GB * 2 (narrow) - + network and graphics, etc. The machine I've used before, was based on an ASUS T2P4 / P166 (other components were the same). The system gave reasonable performance for my unix-related work, but rather p***** me off as a real-slow-M$-NT-developer-machine. The new machine performs quite well under NT 4.0. Running FreeBSD/SMP the machine has a real chance to show its capabilities. Whow, ... it really flys along. ... much faster than it was supposed to. Concerning the success-stories about overclocking the PPros to 233 MHz I've tried that, too. In fact, I reset the clockspeed to 200 MHz a few weeks ago, because the performance at the lower speed is more than sufficient for my purposes. Thanks, ... many thanks to the BSD-Developer-Crowd ... especially to the SMP-folks. Regards, Andreas -- /// TSE TeleService GmbH | Gsf: Arne Reuter | /// Hovestrasse 14 | Andreas Braukmann | We do it with /// D-48351 Everswinkel | HRB: 1430, AG WAF | FreeBSD/SMP /// ------------------------------------------------------------------- /// PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key /// Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Oct 14 09:58:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA00659 for smp-outgoing; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:58:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from mail.keyworld.net (mail.keyworld.net [194.21.164.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA00652 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:58:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrism@mail.keyworld.net) Received: from [192.168.0.26] (proxy.keyworld.net [194.21.164.15]) by mail.keyworld.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id SAA25670 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:55:01 +0200 Message-Id: <199710141655.SAA25670@mail.keyworld.net> To: "freebsd-smp@freebsd.org" Subject: SMP and server reliability Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 18:47:20 -0500 From: Christopher Martin X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Christopher Martin * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Dear Sirs, Does SMP support imply that a FreeBSD SMP Server can survive the failure of one of the parallel processor boards? Is FreeBSD SMP supported by Intel based SMP systems? C. Martin KeyWORLD Internet Access Service From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Oct 14 10:21:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA02826 for smp-outgoing; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:21:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (SRI-56K-FR.mt.net [206.127.65.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA02818 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:20:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA24580; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:20:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA07518; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:20:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:20:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199710141720.LAA07518@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Christopher Martin Cc: "freebsd-smp@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: SMP and server reliability In-Reply-To: <199710141655.SAA25670@mail.keyworld.net> References: <199710141655.SAA25670@mail.keyworld.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Does SMP support imply that a FreeBSD SMP Server can survive the failure of > one of the parallel processor boards? No, that would be 'fault-tolerant'. > Is FreeBSD SMP supported by Intel based SMP systems? If your does FreeBSD run on Intel-SMP systems, than I believe the answer is 'probably'. Nate From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Oct 15 08:02:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA21149 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:02:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from shadows.aeon.net (shadows.aeon.net [194.100.41.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA21045 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:01:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsdsmp@shadows.aeon.net) Received: (from bsdsmp@localhost) by shadows.aeon.net (8.8.7/8.8.3) id SAA16833 for smp@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:01:49 +0200 (EET) From: mika ruohotie Message-Id: <199710151601.SAA16833@shadows.aeon.net> Subject: ick To: smp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:01:49 +0200 (EET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- smd@freebsd.org DO'H! i have intel pr440 (?) board, uh, i havent noticed anything about this board not working... but monday's current is just not working on it. it's the intel dual pro board, also known as "providence". i have two 200/256 cpu's, (runs NT so it's smp capable cpus), 128MB ECC, stock SMP-GENERIC kernel (i also tried to uncomment the smp related outcommented parts from it, no help) i'm sorry i dont have any screen captures, they're not available. (machine's not anywhere near me now, nor in a place where i could use net) after it tells me cpu#1 launched, it freezes for like few minutes, then starts to tell be about SCB timeouts, few of those, then comes the other scsi bus resets, last? phase and all those other errors one gets when adaptec is not feeling too well... then it throws me into the debug prompt, telling it to go on, forgot the exact command, it tells me something being/coming from the wrong cpu, (interrupt or something), then it tells me somewhere in between those that it cant mount root, and dies in "flames" (reboots). so, it's the adaptec right? uh, is it "known" to be bad? since if that's true, i've missed it. i made world, with one cpu only, but didnt attempt to make UP kernel... i use the onboard adaptec, with two quantum ultra 4gig drives. for the record, it's my first smp launch... =) and yes, i am converting it from smp-nt to smp-freebsd, not my own machine, belongs to a computer hardware reseller who wants to have a demo-freebsd server for real powerusers... =) mickey From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Oct 15 12:08:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA15253 for smp-outgoing; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:08:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA15038 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:05:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dyson@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA08362; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:03:37 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199710151903.OAA08362@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: ick In-Reply-To: <199710151601.SAA16833@shadows.aeon.net> from mika ruohotie at "Oct 15, 97 06:01:49 pm" To: bsdsmp@shadows.aeon.net (mika ruohotie) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:03:36 -0500 (EST) Cc: smp@freebsd.org Reply-To: dyson@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk mika ruohotie said: > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > smd@freebsd.org > > DO'H! > > > > i have intel pr440 (?) board, > > uh, i havent noticed anything about this board not working... > > but monday's current is just not working on it. > > it's the intel dual pro board, also known as "providence". > I know it well :-). You have to set the interrupt mode to "route to APIC" or somesuch. Give it a try. John From owner-freebsd-smp Thu Oct 16 00:51:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA13204 for smp-outgoing; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:51:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA13197 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:51:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA24956 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:51:30 -0700 (PDT) To: smp@freebsd.org Subject: Worldstone - well, I finally got onto the SMP bandwagon. :) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:51:29 -0700 Message-ID: <24948.876988289@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My 2XP6/200 system is finally working (after replacing a few DOA components) and just completed the "worldstone" in 2:23 using 3.0-971006-SNAP and -j12, how does that jibe with other folks' experiences? Anyway, I'm psyched - this is a neat little toy. :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-smp Thu Oct 16 01:35:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA15951 for smp-outgoing; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:35:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA15945 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:35:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (hjJ55uDj76SAVhgbK+ZJ5Y8rhZdsCyeg@greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA02426; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:35:09 +0200 (SAT) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (jv3MB+u2CqIIfz2cR0pWDg6InloQeS84@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA05589; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:35:12 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199710160835.KAA05589@greenpeace.grondar.za> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Worldstone - well, I finally got onto the SMP bandwagon. :) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:35:11 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > My 2XP6/200 system is finally working (after replacing a few DOA > components) and just completed the "worldstone" in 2:23 using > 3.0-971006-SNAP and -j12, how does that jibe with other folks' > experiences? That is almost exactly how long my GA685DX (2xP5/200) takes to do a Worldstone. The only non-standard thing I do is -DNOTCL. > Anyway, I'm psyched - this is a neat little toy. :) Ain't that the truth! M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org From owner-freebsd-smp Thu Oct 16 03:17:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA20292 for smp-outgoing; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 03:17:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from ic.net (qmailr@srv1b.ic.net [152.160.72.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA20287 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 03:17:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rickl@lurch.rickl.org) Received: (qmail 16042 invoked from network); 16 Oct 1997 10:17:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lurch.rickl.org) (152.160.108.52) by unknown with SMTP; 16 Oct 1997 10:17:19 -0000 Received: (from rickl@localhost) by lurch.rickl.org (8.8.7/8.7.3) id GAA18408; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <24948.876988289@time.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:15:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Lotoczky To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: RE: Worldstone - well, I finally got onto the SMP bandwagon. :) Cc: smp@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 16-Oct-97 Jordan K. Hubbard mumbled something about: >My 2XP6/200 system is finally working (after replacing a few DOA >components) and just completed the "worldstone" in 2:23 using >3.0-971006-SNAP and -j12, how does that jibe with other folks' >experiences? > >Anyway, I'm psyched - this is a neat little toy. :) > > Jordan > Using -j8 on a P6DOF motherboard with 200 MHz processors and 64 MB of RAM my "worldstone" is 2:02. This is with the latest cvsup'd sources. Rick From owner-freebsd-smp Thu Oct 16 15:30:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA28843 for smp-outgoing; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:30:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA28838 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:30:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: (from jkh@localhost) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) id PAA00784 for smp@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:30:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199710162230.PAA00784@time.cdrom.com> To: smp@freebsd.org Subject: Improvement on yesterday's worldstone Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just to note this as a follow-up, I managed to cut the "worldstone" time down to 2:01 by using -j6 instead of -j12. It looks like -j12 is overkill, even with 2 CPUs. :) Next comes a graph of worldstone vs -jN times, going from 1 to 12. It'll take me a few days to collect all the timings, but when I'm done I'll post the graph. :) Jordan From owner-freebsd-smp Thu Oct 16 15:49:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA29644 for smp-outgoing; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:49:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from eharden.com (eharden.com [207.193.60.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA29636 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:49:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bad@uhf.wireless.net) Received: from uhf.wireless.net (pp8.eharden.com [207.193.60.154]) by eharden.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA19511; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:54:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wireless.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA04837; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 18:51:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Improvement on yesterday's worldstone In-Reply-To: <199710162230.PAA00784@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Next comes a graph of worldstone vs -jN times, going from 1 to 12. > It'll take me a few days to collect all the timings, but when I'm > done I'll post the graph. :) > Hi Jordan: I look forward to this graph. Perhaps I missed it, but I don't remmeber a description of your hardware. Also, if it's not too much trouble/time consuming would you mind going for a similar graph with an UP kernel? Bernie From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Oct 17 09:49:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA21897 for smp-outgoing; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:49:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from VMS1.TAMU.EDU (SYSTEM#VMS_PID20200A11#ImageDSA1+SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXEMULTINET_SMTP_SYMBIONT.EXE12@VMS1.TAMU.EDU [128.194.103.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA21892 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:49:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from WST9720@acs.tamu.edu) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:49:15 -0500 From: "TEO, WILFRED SENGKAR " X-Sender: WST9720@VMS1.TAMU.EDU To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: SMP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 1. Is it possible to use the FreeBSD 2.2.1 release with a dual Pentium II SuperMicro P6DKF motherboard with only one CPU, or do I need the 3.0-current snaps? The computer keeps locking up when I tried it. 2. I am using a Toshiba XM-3801B SCSI drive on the same cable as two SCSI drives on an Adaptec 3940UW, is there a conflict? 3. How would I configure a kernel for SMP when installing? Can I edit options before the installation process begins? It hangs up on me if I don't do it then. From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Oct 17 10:24:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA24115 for smp-outgoing; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:24:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from eharden.com (eharden.com [207.193.60.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA24092 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:24:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bad@uhf.wireless.net) Received: from uhf.wireless.net (pp8.eharden.com [207.193.60.154]) by eharden.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20765; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:29:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wireless.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA07780; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:26:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: "TEO, WILFRED SENGKAR " cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > 1. Is it possible to use the FreeBSD 2.2.1 release with a dual Pentium II > SuperMicro P6DKF motherboard with only one CPU, or do I need the 3.0-current > snaps? The computer keeps locking up when I tried it. No. You need 3.0-current or recent SNAP. > 2. I am using a Toshiba XM-3801B SCSI drive on the same cable as two SCSI > drives on an Adaptec 3940UW, is there a conflict? Are they on different SCSI ID's? Bernie From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Oct 17 10:27:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA24215 for smp-outgoing; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:27:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (Ilsa.StevesCafe.com [205.168.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA24206 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 10:27:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fbsd@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com) Received: from Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ilsa.StevesCafe.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01065; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:26:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199710171726.LAA01065@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: Steve Passe To: "TEO, WILFRED SENGKAR " cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:49:15 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 11:26:42 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > 1. Is it possible to use the FreeBSD 2.2.1 release with a dual Pentium II > SuperMicro P6DKF motherboard with only one CPU, or do I need the 3.0-current > snaps? The computer keeps locking up when I tried it. the UP kernel should work, there is no support for SMP in 2.2.1 --- > 3. How would I configure a kernel for SMP when installing? Can I edit > options before the installation process begins? It hangs up on me if I > don't do it then. As above, you need 3.0-current to do this. You also need the 2nd CPU, SMP will probably hang with only 1 CPU. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Oct 17 17:45:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA18797 for smp-outgoing; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:45:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from csvax.cs.caltech.edu (csvax.cs.caltech.edu [131.215.131.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA18784 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:45:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mika@guitar.cs.caltech.edu) Received: from guitar.cs.caltech.edu by csvax.cs.caltech.edu (4.1/1.34.1) id AA03990; Fri, 17 Oct 97 17:44:55 PDT Received: from localhost.cs.caltech.edu (localhost.cs.caltech.edu [127.0.0.1]) by guitar.cs.caltech.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA08093; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710180044.RAA08093@guitar.cs.caltech.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: guitar.cs.caltech.edu: Host localhost.cs.caltech.edu [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: wst9720@acs.tamu.edu, Bernie Doehner Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:26:21 EDT." Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:44:50 -0700 From: Mika Nystrom Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bernie Doehner writes: >> 1. Is it possible to use the FreeBSD 2.2.1 release with a dual Pentium II >> SuperMicro P6DKF motherboard with only one CPU, or do I need the 3.0-current > >> snaps? The computer keeps locking up when I tried it. > >No. You need 3.0-current or recent SNAP. Is this a problem specifically with this motherboard? We routinely run FreeBSD 2.2.1-2 on dual-CPU PPros with Intel motherboards, using one CPU.. we do this on machines where we need to avoid -CURRENT NFS bugs at all costs. Mika From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Oct 17 17:56:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA19385 for smp-outgoing; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:56:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from eharden.com (eharden.com [207.193.60.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA19379 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:56:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bad@uhf.wireless.net) Received: from uhf.wireless.net (pp8.eharden.com [207.193.60.154]) by eharden.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00408; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 19:57:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wireless.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA09279; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:59:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: Mika Nystrom cc: wst9720@acs.tamu.edu, freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP In-Reply-To: <199710180044.RAA08093@guitar.cs.caltech.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >No. You need 3.0-current or recent SNAP. Ok. Should have been clearer.. You need 3.0-current or a recent SNAP if you want to run a SMP kernel. Bernie > Is this a problem specifically with this motherboard? We routinely > run FreeBSD 2.2.1-2 on dual-CPU PPros with Intel motherboards, using > one CPU.. we do this on machines where we need to avoid -CURRENT NFS > bugs at all costs. > > > Mika > > From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Oct 17 18:34:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA21073 for smp-outgoing; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:34:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA21068 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:34:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost.dialix.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7/Spinner) with ESMTP id JAA17274; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:33:59 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199710180133.JAA17274@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Bernie Doehner cc: Mika Nystrom , wst9720@acs.tamu.edu, freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:59:18 -0400." Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:33:58 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bernie Doehner wrote: > > >No. You need 3.0-current or recent SNAP. > > Ok. Should have been clearer.. You need 3.0-current or a recent SNAP if > you want to run a SMP kernel. > > Bernie And before anybody asks "will SMP be ported to 2.2" or something like that, the answer is definately no... The SMP code is a primary difference between 2.2.x and 3.0. Taking the SMP code to 2.2 would pretty much result in something that looked a heck of a lot like 3.0. (minus things like async IO of course) > > Is this a problem specifically with this motherboard? We routinely > > run FreeBSD 2.2.1-2 on dual-CPU PPros with Intel motherboards, using > > one CPU.. we do this on machines where we need to avoid -CURRENT NFS > > bugs at all costs. > > > > > > Mika > > > > > Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting From owner-freebsd-smp Sat Oct 18 03:54:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA11627 for smp-outgoing; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 03:54:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from proxy.lkb.lv (proxy.lkb.lv [195.244.134.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA11621 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 03:54:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ulmik@proxy.lkb.lv) Received: from cave.lkb.lv (cave.lkb.lv [195.244.134.13]) by proxy.lkb.lv (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA18006 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 13:54:32 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <3448DB5E.4D62@proxy.lkb.lv> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 13:53:02 -0200 From: Uldis Mikelsons Reply-To: ulmik@proxy.lkb.lv Organization: AS Latvijas Krajbanka X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: 2.1.7 and SMP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi. Is there some kinda patch for 2.1.7 And if yes where should i look for it ? Uldis From owner-freebsd-smp Sat Oct 18 04:06:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA12031 for smp-outgoing; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 04:06:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA12020 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 04:05:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@greenpeace.grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (+uUq0a/HBeQdmEVEWVVBiTsI7K7lpOb/@greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA09048; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 13:06:11 +0200 (SAT) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (Y83z3mgiMAOjssYfOi+33X+JF+WV0vA1@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA27683; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 13:06:30 +0200 (SAT) Message-Id: <199710181106.NAA27683@greenpeace.grondar.za> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: ulmik@proxy.lkb.lv cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.1.7 and SMP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 13:06:29 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Uldis Mikelsons wrote: > Hi. > > Is there some kinda patch for 2.1.7 And if yes where should i look for > it ? SMP patch for 2.1.7? No there never will be either. The First public release containing SMP will be 3.0. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org From owner-freebsd-smp Sat Oct 18 09:42:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA25228 for smp-outgoing; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-smp) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA25202 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:41:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) id LAA04613; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:39:22 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199710181639.LAA04613@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: 2.1.7 and SMP In-Reply-To: <3448DB5E.4D62@proxy.lkb.lv> from Uldis Mikelsons at "Oct 18, 97 01:53:02 pm" To: ulmik@proxy.lkb.lv Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 11:39:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Uldis Mikelsons said: > Hi. > > Is there some kinda patch for 2.1.7 And if yes where should i look for > it ? > It isn't impossible, but would be as large as (larger than) the kernel itself... It would be nearly a rewrite. 3.0 is the right version. 3.0 is also much faster. -- John dyson@freebsd.org jdyson@nc.com