From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Sep 7 01:15:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA06974 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 01:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.u-net.net (mail.u-net.net [194.119.128.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA06968 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 01:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jemima [194.119.190.214] by mail.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.62 #6) id 0x7cOg-0005i3-00; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:08:43 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19970907091358.007b8db0@aire.open.ac.uk> X-Sender: mikez@aire.open.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 09:13:58 +0100 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Mike Zanker Subject: Tracking 2.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Having installed FreeBSD 2.2.2 from the WC CDs I'd now like to start tracking the stable 2.2 source. I've read handbook and FAQ but I'm still a little unsure where to start. Is it just a case of getting the latest 30+ MB source distribution then keeping up to date with the patches? I did a "make world" on my 2.2.2 system just to make sure that there were no nasty surprises. Everything worked fine except that I noticed that it didn't build a kernel. This made me wonder, then, if I download the latest stable 2.2 code which do I build and install first, the kernel or the binaries? I'd be grateful for any comments/advice. Regards, Mike -- Mike Zanker | Email: A.M.Zanker@open.ac.uk Network Services Group | Tel : +44 1908 652726 The Open University | Fax : +44 1908 652193 Milton Keynes, UK | PGP public key available From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Sep 7 03:10:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA11831 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 03:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA11823 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 03:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA23189; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 06:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 06:09:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Snob Art Genre To: Brian Somers cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Don Croyle: make world failing at ppp install (again) In-Reply-To: <199709070129.CAA16156@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At about the same time as the group ownership change, I became unable to run PPP except as root. Even though the binary had the setuid bit set, was group executable, and belonged to root:network, and my user account belonged to group network, whenever I tried to run it it said it could only be used in client mode by uid 0. I've been working around this by su'ing before launching PPP, but I wonder if there's a better fix. Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Sep 7 07:39:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA20606 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 07:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA20594 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 07:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21742; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 13:50:29 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709071250.NAA21742@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Snob Art Genre cc: Brian Somers , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Don Croyle: make world failing at ppp install (again) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Sep 1997 06:09:49 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 13:50:28 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > At about the same time as the group ownership change, I became unable to > run PPP except as root. > > Even though the binary had the setuid bit set, was group executable, and > belonged to root:network, and my user account belonged to group network, > whenever I tried to run it it said it could only be used in client mode by > uid 0. > > I've been working around this by su'ing before launching PPP, but I wonder > if there's a better fix. This is a "feature" :-I If normal users are allowed to run ppp in client mode, they can alter the routing tables and point things at a local machine where they can then start "massaging" packets. Even being a member of a specific group is somewhat bogus - only root is allowed to alter the routing table, so only root should really be allowed to run ppp (running ppp *requires* access to the routing table). Having said all this, sites that don't want to use PAP/CHAP to authenticate incoming connections will set incoming users up with a regular login and want to execute ppp from there (hopefully in their profile or as a login shell). Therefore, the group thing was done where such accounts must be group network (this is infinitely better than insisting that such accounts are uid 0). It's up to the admin to make sure that either the user can't get a shell, or if they can get a shell, that they can't alter their config files. Now if someone were to argue that normal users should be allowed to run ppp where the only "uid 0" thing done is the ifconfig bit, I'd probably agree that this is a good alternative... but how small do you allow their mask to be on the "set ifaddr" line ????? Sliplogin has now been changed to root.network/4550 too for the same reasons. I intend to change pppd, but this is a tad more tricky as it doesn't seem to be that easy to distinguish between client and server mode :-( > Ben > > "You have your mind on computers, it seems." > -- Brian , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Sep 7 07:48:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA21133 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 07:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA21128 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 07:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA26902; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 10:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 10:48:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Snob Art Genre To: Brian Somers cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Don Croyle: make world failing at ppp install (again) In-Reply-To: <199709071250.NAA21742@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How about a compile-time option with BIG WARNING FLAGS so that ppp can be run in client mode by non-superusers? Here's my situation: I don't run ppp in server mode, so the only member of group network is my own account. And my machine isn't networked at the moment (and when it is I could change the compilation option back). Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Sep 7 08:07:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA23338 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 08:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA23333 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 08:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23147; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:06:32 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709071506.QAA23147@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Snob Art Genre cc: Brian Somers , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Don Croyle: make world failing at ppp install (again) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Sep 1997 10:48:43 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed ; boundary="==_Exmh_-7650644120" Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 16:06:32 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is a multipart MIME message. --==_Exmh_-7650644120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > How about a compile-time option with BIG WARNING FLAGS so that ppp can be > run in client mode by non-superusers? > > Here's my situation: I don't run ppp in server mode, so the only member of > group network is my own account. And my machine isn't networked at the > moment (and when it is I could change the compilation option back). Same scenario as me, but ppp isn't the only thing that annoys me in this way. I circumvent all this with a small ``root'' program. It's like sudo without a password that checks for a given user id. When you don't have permission to do something, just prefix the whole thing with ``root''. > Ben > > "You have your mind on computers, it seems." > -- Brian , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... --==_Exmh_-7650644120 Content-Type: application/octet-stream ; name="Makefile" Content-Description: Makefile Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Makefile" # # Written by brian@awfulhak.org. This software's free. # # $Id: Makefile,v 1.4 1997/06/17 14:19:01 brian Exp $ # all: root GOD=brian root: Makefile cc -O -DGOD=\"$(GOD)\" -o root root.c chown root root chmod 4555 root --==_Exmh_-7650644120 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="root.c" Content-Description: root.c Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="root.c" /* * Written by brian@awfulhak.org. This software's free. * * $Id: root.c,v 1.3 1997/06/17 00:48:54 brian Exp $ */ #include #include #include int main(int argc, char **argv) { if (strcmp(getlogin(), GOD )) { fprintf(stderr, "Go away - you're not allowed to be God !\n"); return 1; } if (setuid(0)) { fprintf(stderr, "Can't become God :(\n"); return 2; } if (argc < 2) { char *sh; sh = getenv("SHELL"); if (!sh) sh = "/bin/sh"; execlp(sh, sh, NULL); } else execvp(argv[1], argv+1); perror("exec failed"); return 3; } --==_Exmh_-7650644120-- From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Sep 7 08:46:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA25517 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 08:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from birdland.rhein-neckar.de (root@birdland.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.88.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA25508 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 08:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bsd@localhost) by birdland.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA16986; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:45:28 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:45:27 +0200 (MET DST) From: Martin Jangowski To: Mike Zanker cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tracking 2.2 In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19970907091358.007b8db0@aire.open.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk | Martin Jangowski E-Mail: maja@birdland.rhein-neckar.de | | Voice: +49 621/53 95 06 Fax: +49 621/53 95 07 | | Snail Mail: Koenigsbacher Str. 16 D-67067 Ludwigshafen Germany | | RNInet e.V. Rhein-Neckar Internet | On Sun, 7 Sep 1997, Mike Zanker wrote: > Having installed FreeBSD 2.2.2 from the WC CDs I'd now like to start > tracking the stable 2.2 source. I've read handbook and FAQ but I'm still a > little unsure where to start. Is it just a case of getting the latest 30+ > MB source distribution then keeping up to date with the patches? Nope. Read the handbook (the part about CVSup), get the correct packet of cvsup for your system (there are packets for machines with and without X) and get the tree with RELENG_2_2 (thats 2.2-stable). Make world after running cvsup. > > I did a "make world" on my 2.2.2 system just to make sure that there were > no nasty surprises. Everything worked fine except that I noticed that it > didn't build a kernel. This made me wonder, then, if I download the latest > stable 2.2 code which do I build and install first, the kernel or the > binaries? In /usr/src/sys/i386/conf are the config-files for the kernel(s). Since you are free to name your kernel as you like, it isn't build automagically. I'd build the kernel (with config and compiling it) after a successfull "make world". Martin From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Sep 7 10:16:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA01852 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 10:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from counterintelligence.ml.org (mdean.vip.best.com [206.86.94.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA01847 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 10:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jamil@localhost) by counterintelligence.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA29516; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 10:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 10:16:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jamil J. Weatherbee" To: Brian Somers cc: Snob Art Genre , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Don Croyle: make world failing at ppp install (again) In-Reply-To: <199709071506.QAA23147@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Why do we need to change the ppp group every damn week? > -- > Brian , > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... > > From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Sep 7 11:30:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA04734 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 11:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA04693 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 11:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id LAA15739; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 11:27:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199709071827.LAA15739@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Don Croyle: make world failing at ppp install (again) In-Reply-To: <199709071250.NAA21742@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> from Brian Somers at "Sep 7, 97 01:50:28 pm" To: brian@awfulhak.org (Brian Somers) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 11:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Cc: benedict@echonyc.com, brian@awfulhak.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > At about the same time as the group ownership change, I became unable to > > run PPP except as root. > > > > Even though the binary had the setuid bit set, was group executable, and > > belonged to root:network, and my user account belonged to group network, > > whenever I tried to run it it said it could only be used in client mode by > > uid 0. > > > > I've been working around this by su'ing before launching PPP, but I wonder > > if there's a better fix. > > This is a "feature" :-I > > If normal users are allowed to run ppp in client mode, they can alter > the routing tables and point things at a local machine where they can > then start "massaging" packets. Even being a member of a specific > group is somewhat bogus - only root is allowed to alter the routing > table, so only root should really be allowed to run ppp (running ppp > *requires* access to the routing table). Running ppp does _NOT_ *requires* write access to the routing table, this is much much much better handled by properly configuring a real routing daemon and running real routing protocols. Infact I have to go to great pains to _stop_ what ppp tries to do to the routing tables, gated handles it MUCH better! Infact if I don't stop what ppp tries to do gated just comes along and smacks right over the top of any routes it creates with the real and correct ones :-) -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Sep 7 12:47:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA07594 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 12:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA07570 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 12:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25063; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:46:06 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709071946.UAA25063@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Jamil J. Weatherbee" cc: Brian Somers , Snob Art Genre , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Don Croyle: make world failing at ppp install (again) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Sep 1997 10:16:03 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 20:46:06 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Why do we need to change the ppp group every damn week? Don't you mean the network group ? Cos I was too narrow minded with the first update. -- Brian , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Sep 7 15:47:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA15498 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 15:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA15487 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 15:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA25463; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:26:12 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709072026.VAA25463@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: brian@awfulhak.org (Brian Somers), benedict@echonyc.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Don Croyle: make world failing at ppp install (again) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Sep 1997 11:27:57 PDT." <199709071827.LAA15739@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 21:26:12 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > At about the same time as the group ownership change, I became unable to > > > run PPP except as root. > > > > > > Even though the binary had the setuid bit set, was group executable, and > > > belonged to root:network, and my user account belonged to group network, > > > whenever I tried to run it it said it could only be used in client mode by > > > uid 0. > > > > > > I've been working around this by su'ing before launching PPP, but I wonder > > > if there's a better fix. > > > > This is a "feature" :-I > > > > If normal users are allowed to run ppp in client mode, they can alter > > the routing tables and point things at a local machine where they can > > then start "massaging" packets. Even being a member of a specific > > group is somewhat bogus - only root is allowed to alter the routing > > table, so only root should really be allowed to run ppp (running ppp > > *requires* access to the routing table). > > Running ppp does _NOT_ *requires* write access to the routing table, > this is much much much better handled by properly configuring > a real routing daemon and running real routing protocols. And how do these *real* routing daemons know when ppp has negotiated an IP address with a peer ? > Infact > I have to go to great pains to _stop_ what ppp tries to do > to the routing tables, gated handles it MUCH better! The only thing ppp does automatically is an ioctl(,SIOCAIFADDR,) - this is what I was considering to be the mandatory routing table update. What are your "great pains" ? > Infact if I > don't stop what ppp tries to do gated just comes along and smacks > right over the top of any routes it creates with the real and > correct ones :-) Right, so gated deletes the route created by the SIOCAIFADDR ? And you say ppp is in the wrong ? Hmmm. I haven't used gated, but I'm under the impression it's smarter than that. You probably mean that ppp shouldn't be allowed to update the routing table directly (with it's add .... syntax). Although you're probably right from a purists point of view, it's far more practical to be able to add routes based on the negotiated IP addresses. Most machines that run ppp have rather straight forward routing tables that don't warrant a routing daemon or protocol. Besides, aren't routing daemons supposed to leave static routes as they are ? > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD So I take it, from your stance, that you're in agreement about restricting the use of ppp. Nice to know someone's on my side :-) To be honest, I'm not sure if you're taking a dig.... -- Brian , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Sep 7 16:54:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA18600 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obie.softweyr.ml.org ([199.104.124.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA18594 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from wes@localhost) by obie.softweyr.ml.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id RAA20657; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:50:22 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:50:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709072350.RAA20657@obie.softweyr.ml.org> From: Wes Peters To: "Rodney W. Grimes" CC: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Don Croyle: make world failing at ppp install (again) In-Reply-To: <199709071827.LAA15739@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> References: <199709071250.NAA21742@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> <199709071827.LAA15739@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rodney W. Grimes writes: > Running ppp does _NOT_ *requires* write access to the routing table, > this is much much much better handled by properly configuring > a real routing daemon and running real routing protocols. Requiring every user who wants to use FreeBSD PPP as a simple single-user workstation with a dial-up ISP account, or even as a simple router, to understand routing protocols and gated will guarantee that many will just go elsewhere. While I don't disagree with you about the capability of gated, losing the simple routing capabilities of ppp would be a stupid move. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Sep 7 17:02:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA19156 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA19150 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:02:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA21083; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:02:11 -0700 (PDT) To: "Jamil J. Weatherbee" cc: Brian Somers , Snob Art Genre , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Don Croyle: make world failing at ppp install (again) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Sep 1997 10:16:03 PDT." Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 17:02:11 -0700 Message-ID: <21079.873676931@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If you read this mailing list more regularly, you might know why. In any case, please try to keep the irrelevant chatter to a minimum. This is called a "rhetorical question" and it serves no purpose. Jordan > > Why do we need to change the ppp group every damn week? > > > > -- > > Brian , > > > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... > > > > > From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Sep 7 18:05:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA23204 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA23178 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id SAA15997; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:03:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199709080103.SAA15997@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Don Croyle: make world failing at ppp install (again) In-Reply-To: <199709072350.RAA20657@obie.softweyr.ml.org> from Wes Peters at "Sep 7, 97 05:50:22 pm" To: softweyr@xmission.com (Wes Peters) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Rodney W. Grimes writes: > > Running ppp does _NOT_ *requires* write access to the routing table, > > this is much much much better handled by properly configuring > > a real routing daemon and running real routing protocols. > > Requiring every user who wants to use FreeBSD PPP as a simple > single-user workstation with a dial-up ISP account, or even as a simple > router, to understand routing protocols and gated will guarantee that > many will just go elsewhere. > > While I don't disagree with you about the capability of gated, losing > the simple routing capabilities of ppp would be a stupid move. A person using FreeBSD as a simple single user workstation has root access, and does not have the problem that is attempted to being fixed. Duplicating the equiv of /sbin/route in ppp IMHO, is just silly, adds yet another place that has to be mucked with when the kernel/user land routing interface changes, etc. What I am more concerned about is server side ppp and the security whole that has just been bandaided over via group network instead of totally eliminated by removal of route calls. There is no how no way I want _any_ user other than root in _any_ group munging around with routing tables on a ppp server! -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Sep 7 22:03:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA05950 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obie.softweyr.ml.org ([199.104.124.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA05944 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from wes@localhost) by obie.softweyr.ml.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA21139; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:59:53 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:59:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709080459.WAA21139@obie.softweyr.ml.org> From: Wes Peters To: "Rodney W. Grimes" CC: stable@freebsd.org, brian@awfulhak.org Subject: Re: Don Croyle: make world failing at ppp install (again) In-Reply-To: <199709080103.SAA15997@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> References: <199709072350.RAA20657@obie.softweyr.ml.org> <199709080103.SAA15997@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I recently said: % Requiring every user who wants to use FreeBSD PPP as a simple % single-user workstation with a dial-up ISP account, or even as a simple % router, to understand routing protocols and gated will guarantee that % many will just go elsewhere. Rodney W. Grimes writes: > A person using FreeBSD as a simple single user workstation has root > access, and does not have the problem that is attempted to being > fixed. Duplicating the equiv of /sbin/route in ppp IMHO, > is just silly, adds yet another place that has to be mucked with > when the kernel/user land routing interface changes, etc. > > What I am more concerned about is server side ppp and the security > whole that has just been bandaided over via group network instead > of totally eliminated by removal of route calls. > > There is no how no way I want _any_ user other than root in _any_ group > munging around with routing tables on a ppp server! Obviously you are not the target user Brian had in mind when developing this feature. We see once again the beauty of FreeBSD: you have the source, you can modify ppp at will to do as you please. I suspect, however, that no amount of pleading, cursing, or other public bandiage will change the fact that Brian is developing ppp towards an "average" user that is very different from you. You have the option of creating patches that will disallow the routing interface, making ppp somewhat more secure for ISPs and other remote access servers, and contributing it to the project. You could either just contribute the diffs to make this happen, or diffs to make this a compile-time option. Brian seems to be very interested in developing and upgrading ppp, and may want to add this feature into his next release. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Sep 7 23:02:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA09994 for stable-outgoing; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:02:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA09989 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA18293; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:56:23 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:56:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709080556.XAA18293@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: brian@awfulhak.org (Brian Somers), freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Don Croyle: make world failing at ppp install (again) In-Reply-To: <199709071827.LAA15739@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> References: <199709071250.NAA21742@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> <199709071827.LAA15739@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Running ppp does _NOT_ *requires* write access to the routing table, > this is much much much better handled by properly configuring > a real routing daemon and running real routing protocols. Bzzt, thanks for playing, but for 99.9999999% of the folks who run a PPP connection, a 'real routing daemon' is way overkill and will cause them no-end of headaches. > Infact I have to go to great pains to _stop_ what ppp tries to do to > the routing tables, gated handles it MUCH better! Gated handles nothing better unless you've got a spare 40 hours to dedicate to figuring out how it works. Gated is only necessary if you've got multiple 'routes', and most (see above) folks have a single network connection which is their PPP link. Engineering is finding the best solution for most folks, optimizing it for it while trying to not penalize the rest of the folks. What ijppp does is take the engineering approach, and not find the 'best/most complicated/gated' solution. Nate From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Sep 8 00:30:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA15327 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 00:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA15321 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 00:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) id AAA16253; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 00:28:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199709080728.AAA16253@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Don Croyle: make world failing at ppp install (again) In-Reply-To: <199709080556.XAA18293@rocky.mt.sri.com> from Nate Williams at "Sep 7, 97 11:56:23 pm" To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 00:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: brian@awfulhak.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You can wave your hands all around about ease of use vs doing it right, but the bottom line is as ppp stands today it is a security hole, and security holes are bad karma. Okay the group network cuts down the exposure, no you only have to deal with a fist full of users who can bring your router down. I simply fix most of the problem by rm'ing the user land ppp files, use the kernel version, make sure I don't have any tun drivers, etc. > > Running ppp does _NOT_ *requires* write access to the routing table, > > this is much much much better handled by properly configuring > > a real routing daemon and running real routing protocols. > > Bzzt, thanks for playing, but for 99.9999999% of the folks who run a PPP > connection, a 'real routing daemon' is way overkill and will cause them > no-end of headaches. And for those 99.9999% of the folks /sbin/routed -q will do just what they need. Now was that so hard. I didn't say the only real routing daemon was gated, but for server side ppp boxes it's a lot more guttsy than /sbin/routed. If you have VLSM run routed in ripv2 mode. > > > Infact I have to go to great pains to _stop_ what ppp tries to do to > > the routing tables, gated handles it MUCH better! > > Gated handles nothing better unless you've got a spare 40 hours to > dedicate to figuring out how it works. Gated is only necessary if > you've got multiple 'routes', and most (see above) folks have a single > network connection which is their PPP link. > > Engineering is finding the best solution for most folks, optimizing it > for it while trying to not penalize the rest of the folks. What ijppp > does is take the engineering approach, and not find the 'best/most > complicated/gated' solution. And leaves a big security hole.... -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Sep 8 08:11:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA06195 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daria.cdnow.com (daria.cdnow.com [198.138.235.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA06189 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from heller@localhost) by daria.cdnow.com (8.7.5/8.6.7) id LAA15141 for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:07:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Karl Heller" Message-Id: <199709081507.LAA15141@daria.cdnow.com> Subject: PPP problem? To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: heller@cdnow.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm running kernel PPP under 2.2.2_RELENG_8/1 When trying to use password ( PAP ) authentication the modem connected to the FreeBSD box hangs up on the first invalid attempt from a client machine. I've modified the options file as thus: debug login proxyarp crtscts # Hardware flow control netmask 255.255.255.0 # netmask ( not required ) xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx # ip's of local and remote hosts # local ip must be different from one # you assigned to the ethernet ( or other ) # interface on your machine. # remote IP is ip address that will be # assigned to the remote machine domain cdnow.com # your domain dns1 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx dns2 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx passive # wait for LCP silent # wait for remote LCP persist # Stay running? modem # modem line pap-max-authreq 10 pap-timeout 60 pap-restart 60 I call ppp via: pppd -d /dev/cuaa1 38400 However, this doesn't solve the problem nor change anything about it. I'm using a an empty PAP file so the user can use the system passwords instead. Also, I can't get the connection to go above 38400. Any other value above this causes the program to exit as it can't sync with the modem. Any ideas? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- A. Karl Heller Senior Systems Engineer CDnow Inc. http://cdnow.com From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Sep 8 11:59:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA25246 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.210.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA25235 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x88x5-00065P-00; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:54:23 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:54:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: unix domain sockets in 2.2-stable Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I use Cyrus for handling a local mail store. It uses a special pwcheck daemon to check passwords as non-root users can't read the encrypted password field. The Cyrus imap and pop servers talk to pwcheck on a unix domain socket at /var/pwcheck/pwcheck This all worked well up to a 2.2-stable kernel from Aug 31. My previous 2.2-stable kernel from Jul 19 still works. If I boot the Aug 31 kernel, cyrus isn't able to connect to the pwcheck deamon, and if I boot to the older Jul 19 kernel cyrus works fine. The connect() call in the following segment of code fails on Aug 31 kernels, and works on Jul 19 kernels and earlier (code is taken from unix_unix_pwcheck.c from Cyrus 1.5.2). memset((char *)&srvaddr, 0, sizeof(srvaddr)); srvaddr.sun_family = AF_UNIX; strcpy(srvaddr.sun_path, STATEDIR); strcat(srvaddr.sun_path, "/pwcheck/pwcheck"); r = connect(s, (struct sockaddr *)&srvaddr, sizeof(srvaddr)); if (r == -1) { *reply = "cannot connect to pwcheck server"; return 1; } Does anyone have any idea on what has changed as far as unix domain sockets in 2.2-stable lately? I've looked at the committ logs, and I don't see anything that stands out. Tom From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Sep 8 13:55:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA03251 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA03228 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04605; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:54:10 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709082054.VAA04605@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Tom Samplonius cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: unix domain sockets in 2.2-stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Sep 1997 11:54:22 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 21:54:09 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I use Cyrus for handling a local mail store. It uses a special pwcheck > daemon to check passwords as non-root users can't read the encrypted > password field. The Cyrus imap and pop servers talk to pwcheck on a unix > domain socket at /var/pwcheck/pwcheck > > This all worked well up to a 2.2-stable kernel from Aug 31. My > previous 2.2-stable kernel from Jul 19 still works. If I boot the Aug > 31 kernel, cyrus isn't able to connect to the pwcheck deamon, and if I > boot to the older Jul 19 kernel cyrus works fine. > > The connect() call in the following segment of code fails on Aug 31 > kernels, and works on Jul 19 kernels and earlier (code is taken from > unix_unix_pwcheck.c from Cyrus 1.5.2). > > memset((char *)&srvaddr, 0, sizeof(srvaddr)); > srvaddr.sun_family = AF_UNIX; > strcpy(srvaddr.sun_path, STATEDIR); > strcat(srvaddr.sun_path, "/pwcheck/pwcheck"); > r = connect(s, (struct sockaddr *)&srvaddr, sizeof(srvaddr)); > if (r == -1) { > *reply = "cannot connect to pwcheck server"; > return 1; > } > > > Does anyone have any idea on what has changed as far as unix domain > sockets in 2.2-stable lately? I've looked at the committ logs, and I > don't see anything that stands out. There are no problems with local sockets and ppp. I've just checked a RELENG_2_2 system built on September 1. Try running ppp in auto mode with a "set server /my/local/socket" in the config (you don't have to actually connect to anything), and then run "pppctl -p xxxx /my/local/socket show ipcp".... works ok. I'd suggest a rebuild of your system. > > Tom > -- Brian , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Sep 8 14:06:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA03963 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA03954 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04570; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:45:26 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709082045.VAA04570@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams), brian@awfulhak.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Don Croyle: make world failing at ppp install (again) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Sep 1997 00:28:39 PDT." <199709080728.AAA16253@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 21:45:26 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > You can wave your hands all around about ease of use vs doing it > right, but the bottom line is as ppp stands today it is a security > hole, and security holes are bad karma. > > Okay the group network cuts down the exposure, no you only have to deal > with a fist full of users who can bring your router down. > > I simply fix most of the problem by rm'ing the user land ppp files, > use the kernel version, make sure I don't have any tun drivers, etc. This is getting silly ! Now, by default, *nobody* except root can run ppp, PERIOD. If an admin chooses to make someone a member of group network, they'd better make sure that said user can't access the ppp config files. Now, please, where's the hole ? > > > Running ppp does _NOT_ *requires* write access to the routing table, > > > this is much much much better handled by properly configuring > > > a real routing daemon and running real routing protocols. > > > > Bzzt, thanks for playing, but for 99.9999999% of the folks who run a PPP > > connection, a 'real routing daemon' is way overkill and will cause them > > no-end of headaches. > > And for those 99.9999% of the folks /sbin/routed -q will do just what > they need. Now was that so hard. I didn't say the only real routing > daemon was gated, but for server side ppp boxes it's a lot more guttsy > than /sbin/routed. If you have VLSM run routed in ripv2 mode. But Nate & others are pointing out that most users don't want a routing daemon at all. They have a routing table with a loopback from ifconfig'ing lo0, a ppp route from ifconfig'ing tun0 and a default down that tun route. A large chunk of these users also have a LAN with another route that's the result of their ifconfig. No routing daemon is required - I'd nearly vote for disabling routed -q for this reason. > > > > > Infact I have to go to great pains to _stop_ what ppp tries to do to > > > the routing tables, gated handles it MUCH better! > > > > Gated handles nothing better unless you've got a spare 40 hours to > > dedicate to figuring out how it works. Gated is only necessary if > > you've got multiple 'routes', and most (see above) folks have a single > > network connection which is their PPP link. > > > > Engineering is finding the best solution for most folks, optimizing it > > for it while trying to not penalize the rest of the folks. What ijppp > > does is take the engineering approach, and not find the 'best/most > > complicated/gated' solution. > > And leaves a big security hole.... Not if you don't make it yourself - if you want incoming sessions, use PAP/CHAP and *never* make anyone a member of group network. > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD -- Brian , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Sep 8 14:23:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA05111 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.210.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA05098 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0x8BCZ-0006B6-00; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:18:31 -0700 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:18:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Brian Somers cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unix domain sockets in 2.2-stable In-Reply-To: <199709082054.VAA04605@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Brian Somers wrote: > > > > I use Cyrus for handling a local mail store. It uses a special pwcheck > > daemon to check passwords as non-root users can't read the encrypted > > password field. The Cyrus imap and pop servers talk to pwcheck on a unix > > domain socket at /var/pwcheck/pwcheck > > > > This all worked well up to a 2.2-stable kernel from Aug 31. My > > previous 2.2-stable kernel from Jul 19 still works. If I boot the Aug > > 31 kernel, cyrus isn't able to connect to the pwcheck deamon, and if I > > boot to the older Jul 19 kernel cyrus works fine. > > > > The connect() call in the following segment of code fails on Aug 31 > > kernels, and works on Jul 19 kernels and earlier (code is taken from > > unix_unix_pwcheck.c from Cyrus 1.5.2). > > > > memset((char *)&srvaddr, 0, sizeof(srvaddr)); > > srvaddr.sun_family = AF_UNIX; > > strcpy(srvaddr.sun_path, STATEDIR); > > strcat(srvaddr.sun_path, "/pwcheck/pwcheck"); > > r = connect(s, (struct sockaddr *)&srvaddr, sizeof(srvaddr)); > > if (r == -1) { > > *reply = "cannot connect to pwcheck server"; > > return 1; > > } > > > > > > Does anyone have any idea on what has changed as far as unix domain > > sockets in 2.2-stable lately? I've looked at the committ logs, and I > > don't see anything that stands out. > > There are no problems with local sockets and ppp. I've just checked > a RELENG_2_2 system built on September 1. Try running ppp in auto > mode with a "set server /my/local/socket" in the config (you don't > have to actually connect to anything), and then run "pppctl -p xxxx > /my/local/socket show ipcp".... works ok. > > I'd suggest a rebuild of your system. I already rebuilt my system before sending this. I found out what is happening. The group and other permissions on unix sockets are ignored. In my case the pwcheck daemon runs as root, and therefore the socket is owned by root. However, the cyrus daemons can't open the socket because it seesm that the other bits (I have r-x set) are ignored, and the cyrus daemons run as the cyrus user. If I chown the socket after pwcheck opens it, to the cyrus user, everything works ok. This new behaviour is now very linux-like. > > Tom > > > > -- > Brian , > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... > > > > Tom From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Sep 8 16:25:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA14034 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA14027 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA06597; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 00:23:54 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709082323.AAA06597@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Tom cc: Brian Somers , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: unix domain sockets in 2.2-stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Sep 1997 14:18:30 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 00:23:54 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Brian Somers wrote: > > > > > > > I use Cyrus for handling a local mail store. It uses a special pwcheck > > > daemon to check passwords as non-root users can't read the encrypted > > > password field. The Cyrus imap and pop servers talk to pwcheck on a unix > > > domain socket at /var/pwcheck/pwcheck > > > > > > This all worked well up to a 2.2-stable kernel from Aug 31. My > > > previous 2.2-stable kernel from Jul 19 still works. If I boot the Aug > > > 31 kernel, cyrus isn't able to connect to the pwcheck deamon, and if I > > > boot to the older Jul 19 kernel cyrus works fine. > > > > > > The connect() call in the following segment of code fails on Aug 31 > > > kernels, and works on Jul 19 kernels and earlier (code is taken from > > > unix_unix_pwcheck.c from Cyrus 1.5.2). > > > > > > memset((char *)&srvaddr, 0, sizeof(srvaddr)); > > > srvaddr.sun_family = AF_UNIX; > > > strcpy(srvaddr.sun_path, STATEDIR); > > > strcat(srvaddr.sun_path, "/pwcheck/pwcheck"); > > > r = connect(s, (struct sockaddr *)&srvaddr, sizeof(srvaddr)); > > > if (r == -1) { > > > *reply = "cannot connect to pwcheck server"; > > > return 1; > > > } > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have any idea on what has changed as far as unix domain > > > sockets in 2.2-stable lately? I've looked at the committ logs, and I > > > don't see anything that stands out. > > > > There are no problems with local sockets and ppp. I've just checked > > a RELENG_2_2 system built on September 1. Try running ppp in auto > > mode with a "set server /my/local/socket" in the config (you don't > > have to actually connect to anything), and then run "pppctl -p xxxx > > /my/local/socket show ipcp".... works ok. > > > > I'd suggest a rebuild of your system. > > I already rebuilt my system before sending this. > > I found out what is happening. The group and other permissions on unix > sockets are ignored. In my case the pwcheck daemon runs as root, and > therefore the socket is owned by root. However, the cyrus daemons can't > open the socket because it seesm that the other bits (I have r-x > set) are ignored, and the cyrus daemons run as the cyrus user. If I chown > the socket after pwcheck opens it, to the cyrus user, everything works ok. > > This new behaviour is now very linux-like. Sounds like you've got a dodgy umask. The bind() that creates the local socket looks at your umask. The only way to choose your permissions at bind() time is to get the umask correct. Take a look at /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp/server.c - it does and undoes a umask() around the bind() call to overcome this. I wasn't aware that this behaviour has changed, but that doesn't mean much :-I > > Tom > -- Brian , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Sep 8 21:24:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA01064 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA01042 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.5/8.6.9) id OAA26730; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:18:58 +1000 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:18:58 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199709090418.OAA26730@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: brian@awfulhak.org, tom@sdf.com Subject: Re: unix domain sockets in 2.2-stable Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I found out what is happening. The group and other permissions on unix >sockets are ignored. In my case the pwcheck daemon runs as root, and >therefore the socket is owned by root. However, the cyrus daemons can't >open the socket because it seesm that the other bits (I have r-x >set) are ignored, and the cyrus daemons run as the cyrus user. If I chown >the socket after pwcheck opens it, to the cyrus user, everything works ok. Perhaps the bits used to be rwx. Bruce RCS file: /a/ncvs/src/sys/kern/uipc_usrreq.c,v Working file: uipc_usrreq.c head: 1.26 ... ---------------------------- revision 1.15.4.2 date: 1997/08/15 13:54:00; author: wollman; state: Exp; lines: +2 -2 Obey the process's umask when bind()ing a PF_LOCAL socket. PR: 2680 ---------------------------- From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Sep 8 23:48:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA10195 for stable-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from madoka.hal.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (madoka.hal.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.98.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA10126 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hitomi.hal.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (hitomi.hal.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.98.148]) by madoka.hal.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.8.7/3.5Wpl2/HALmailhost/97020422) with ESMTP id PAA06813; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:48:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from hal.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by hitomi.hal.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.8.5+2.7Wbeta5/3.2W5/HAL) with ESMTP id PAA10014; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:48:14 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199709090648.PAA10014@hitomi.hal.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@time.cdrom.com Subject: MO - 640 MB 2K sector support for 2.2.5 ? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 14 Aug 1997 05:09:22 -0700" References: <13318.871560562@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.28.1 / Mule 2.3 X-PGP-fingerprint: 5A A1 E6 D0 FF 96 FB F8 DE 23 EF 06 A1 76 94 E9 X-PGP-Public-Key-Location: finger -l pasqual@hal.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp or Home Page X-URL: http://www.hal.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~pasqual Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 15:48:13 +0900 From: Ajith Pasqual Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi!, Will it be difficult to merge the -current support for the above to 2.2.5 ? If this is possible, I think it will be very useful since the prices of 640 MB MO drives are coming down and is gaining popularity (at least here in Japan). > Conventional wisdom has always considered the "dot-five" releases to > be the first truly solid releases of any branch (as witnessed with > 1.1.5, 2.0.5 & 2.1.5) and I'd certainly be happy to see us carry this > fine tradition into the 2.2 branch. ;-) Considering the fact that 2.2.5 is going to stay there for a longer time, I would be more than glad to see this support in it. (I guess others too...) Regards, Ajith. From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 08:13:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA14550 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA14545 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slip129-37-195-73.nc.us.ibm.net (slip129-37-195-73.nc.us.ibm.net [129.37.195.73]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA44738 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:13:06 GMT From: mouth@ibm.net (John Kelly) To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 2.2.5 release, can it be postponed? Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 15:14:51 GMT Message-ID: <341565dd.68501361@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id IAA14546 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Recent changes to user PPP have put it in an unusable state for me. Although it's true that kernel PPPD works fine, user PPP is a highly visible piece of the system since so many people are likely to use it. I hope that you wait until 2.2 is more stable before cutting the 2.2.5 release. I wouldn't want a CD where user PPP is not working right. John From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 09:32:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA18590 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vinyl.quickweb.com (vinyl.quickweb.com [206.222.77.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA18584 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vinyl.quickweb.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA10370; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19970909123253.13741@vinyl.quickweb.com> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:32:53 -0400 From: Mark Mayo To: John Kelly Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.5 release, can it be postponed? References: <341565dd.68501361@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <341565dd.68501361@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net>; from John Kelly on Tue, Sep 09, 1997 at 03:14:51PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, Sep 09, 1997 at 03:14:51PM +0000, John Kelly wrote: > Recent changes to user PPP have put it in an unusable state for me. > Although it's true that kernel PPPD works fine, user PPP is a highly > visible piece of the system since so many people are likely to use it. > > I hope that you wait until 2.2 is more stable before cutting the 2.2.5 > release. I wouldn't want a CD where user PPP is not working right. User PPP works right... just "differently" than before. A specific reference to the different behaviour should be noted on the CD of course, but I think userland PPP is quite stable and working better than ever. When I unwittingly ran the new PPP for the first time, it exited with the "must be user ID 0" thing, after which I quickly man'ed PPP and read about the new behaviour. It would be nice to add "... user ID 0 (root)" to the error message though, since there might be newbies that don't equate userid 0 to the root login... cya, -Mark > > John > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@quickweb.com RingZero Comp. http://vinyl.quickweb.com/mark finger mark@quickweb.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The newest book, The Dilbert Future, took a broader view, describing how idiots will threaten every aspect of business, technology and society in the future." --Scott Adams From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 09:45:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA19482 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA19470 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA21763; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:44:51 -0700 (PDT) To: mouth@ibm.net (John Kelly) cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.5 release, can it be postponed? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Sep 1997 15:14:51 GMT." <341565dd.68501361@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 09:44:51 -0700 Message-ID: <21753.873823491@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Recent changes to user PPP have put it in an unusable state for me. Uh, OK. > I hope that you wait until 2.2 is more stable before cutting the 2.2.5 > release. I wouldn't want a CD where user PPP is not working right. Neither would I, but your "bug report" here unfortunately also tells me nothing about the nature of your failure and, unless more details are forthcoming, will cause me to simply discount it and proceed as planned. :( Jordan From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 09:55:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA20088 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA20073 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slip129-37-195-156.nc.us.ibm.net (slip129-37-195-156.nc.us.ibm.net [129.37.195.156]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA155604 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:55:35 GMT From: mouth@ibm.net (John Kelly) To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.5 release, can it be postponed? Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 16:57:20 GMT Message-ID: <34167ed6.3091179@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> References: <341565dd.68501361@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> <19970909123253.13741@vinyl.quickweb.com> In-Reply-To: <19970909123253.13741@vinyl.quickweb.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id JAA20074 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:32:53 -0400, you wrote: >User PPP works right... just "differently" than before. A specific >reference to the different behaviour should be noted on the CD of course, >but I think userland PPP is quite stable and working better than ever. > >When I unwittingly ran the new PPP for the first time, it exited with >the "must be user ID 0" thing, after which I quickly man'ed PPP and >read about the new behaviour. It would be nice to add >"... user ID 0 (root)" to the error message though, since there might >be newbies that don't equate userid 0 to the root login... On the machine in question, root is the only user, so I always run it as root. But in any event, that is not the problem. John From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 09:55:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA20094 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA20076 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slip129-37-195-156.nc.us.ibm.net (slip129-37-195-156.nc.us.ibm.net [129.37.195.156]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA74970; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:55:38 GMT From: mouth@ibm.net (John Kelly) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.5 release, can it be postponed? Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 16:57:23 GMT Message-ID: <34177f4e.3210805@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> References: <21753.873823491@time.cdrom.com> In-Reply-To: <21753.873823491@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id JAA20083 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 09 Sep 1997 09:44:51 -0700, you wrote: >> Recent changes to user PPP have put it in an unusable state for me. > >Uh, OK. > >> I hope that you wait until 2.2 is more stable before cutting the 2.2.5 >> release. I wouldn't want a CD where user PPP is not working right. > >Neither would I, but your "bug report" here unfortunately also tells >me nothing about the nature of your failure and, unless more details >are forthcoming, will cause me to simply discount it and proceed as >planned. :( I already filed a "bug report" using the GNATS web interface. And I got email from Brian. I sent him my config files and a ppp.log and I'm awaiting his response. John From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 10:08:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA20797 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:08:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA20792 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA17345; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) To: mouth@ibm.net (John Kelly) cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.5 release, can it be postponed? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Sep 1997 16:57:23 GMT." <34177f4e.3210805@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 10:08:08 -0700 Message-ID: <17341.873824888@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I already filed a "bug report" using the GNATS web interface. And I OK, please reference existing PR#s in future messages of this nature then as they make it far easier to get adequate context for the discussion. Jordan From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 10:48:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA23137 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us (fw3-59.fwi.com [207.113.68.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA23115 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from croyle@localhost) by gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA00393; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:47:38 -0500 (EST) To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.5 release, can it be postponed? References: <341565dd.68501361@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> <19970909123253.13741@vinyl.quickweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Don Croyle Date: 09 Sep 1997 12:46:15 -0500 Organization: Minimal at best In-Reply-To: Mark Mayo's message of "Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:32:53 -0400" Message-ID: <86d8mie5y0.fsf@gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us> Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/XEmacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mark Mayo writes: > User PPP works right... just "differently" than before. A specific > reference to the different behaviour should be noted on the CD of course, > but I think userland PPP is quite stable and working better than ever. Yes it works, but there are a few features it would be nice to have before it's unleashed on the world. Like a way to explicitly bring up the link when running in auto mode. It often takes me two or three tries to connect to my ISP, by which time a program that's attempting to open a socket has usually timed out. In the past, I've handled this by using invoking ppp interactively when I'm present and using ppp -background for cron jobs. Now I'm forced to use ppp -auto and my cron jobs keep timing out. :-( -- I've always wanted to be a dilettante, but I've never quite been ready to make the commitment. From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 11:52:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA26924 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA26884 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA25301; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:50:51 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:50:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709091850.MAA25301@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Don Croyle Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2.5 release, can it be postponed? In-Reply-To: <86d8mie5y0.fsf@gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us> References: <341565dd.68501361@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> <19970909123253.13741@vinyl.quickweb.com> <86d8mie5y0.fsf@gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > User PPP works right... just "differently" than before. A specific > > reference to the different behaviour should be noted on the CD of course, > > but I think userland PPP is quite stable and working better than ever. > > Yes it works, but there are a few features it would be nice to have > before it's unleashed on the world. Like a way to explicitly bring up > the link when running in auto mode. % ping remotehost works really well. > It often takes me two or three tries to connect to my ISP, by which > time a program that's attempting to open a socket has usually timed > out. Try the ping trick. It works. Also, PPP's auto mode is as good as any other on-demand product I've ever used. The time-out problem is a function of TCP/IP, not of PPP since it can't do anything with packets when the link is down, and it's doing everything it can to get the connection up, so if the first couple of attempts fail, the TCP/IP protocol will give up. Nate From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 13:24:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA03293 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us (fw4-20.fwi.com [207.202.57.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA03288 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from croyle@localhost) by gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us (8.8.7/8.8.5) id PAA05007; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:24:59 -0500 (EST) To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.5 release, can it be postponed? References: <341565dd.68501361@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> <19970909123253.13741@vinyl.quickweb.com> <86d8mie5y0.fsf@gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us> <199709091850.MAA25301@rocky.mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Don Croyle Date: 09 Sep 1997 15:24:59 -0500 Organization: Minimal at best In-Reply-To: Nate Williams's message of "Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:50:51 -0600 (MDT)" Message-ID: <86afhmdylg.fsf@gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us> Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/XEmacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams writes: > > Yes it works, but there are a few features it would be nice to have > > before it's unleashed on the world. Like a way to explicitly bring up > > the link when running in auto mode. > > % ping remotehost > > works really well. Unless it takes so long to connect that the queue for outgoing packets fills up. Not something that happens in just two or three tries, but it it goes much beyond that.... > Try the ping trick. It works. Also, PPP's auto mode is as good as any > other on-demand product I've ever used. The time-out problem is a > function of TCP/IP, not of PPP since it can't do anything with packets > when the link is down, and it's doing everything it can to get the > connection up, so if the first couple of attempts fail, the TCP/IP > protocol will give up. It's not bad as on-demand dialers go, but there are times when start-dialing-and-let-me-know-when-you've-connected is more what's called for. -- I've always wanted to be a dilettante, but I've never quite been ready to make the commitment. From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 14:33:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA07720 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix.nmarcom.com (root@host-034.nmarcom.com [207.181.124.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA07715 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix.nmarcom.com (thelab@unix.nmarcom.com [207.181.124.34]) by unix.nmarcom.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA11208; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:30:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Will 'Mit' Rowe" To: Don Croyle cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.5 release, can it be postponed? In-Reply-To: <86afhmdylg.fsf@gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 9 Sep 1997, Don Croyle wrote: > Nate Williams writes: > > > > Yes it works, but there are a few features it would be nice to have > > > before it's unleashed on the world. Like a way to explicitly bring up > > > the link when running in auto mode. > > > > % ping remotehost > > > > works really well. > > Unless it takes so long to connect that the queue for outgoing packets > fills up. Not something that happens in just two or three tries, but > it it goes much beyond that.... my tactic is... ping -c 5 remotehost in a crontab entry. :) --- Will 'Mit' Rowe Systems Administrator/Programmer Neray MarCom, Inc. 25 Imperial Street, Suite 210, Toronto, Ontario, Canada vox: (416)481-5405 fax: (416)481-3741 http://www.nmarcom.com From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 14:51:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA08927 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zigg.com (tcgr-43.dialup.alliance.net [207.74.43.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA08914 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by zigg.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA22975 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:52:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Behrens cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.5 release, can it be postponed? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Will 'Mit' Rowe wrote: > On 9 Sep 1997, Don Croyle wrote: > > Unless it takes so long to connect that the queue for outgoing packets > > fills up. Not something that happens in just two or three tries, but > > it it goes much beyond that.... > my tactic is... > > ping -c 5 remotehost > > in a crontab entry. :) If you're going to do that, you might as well use -ddial, which stays up all the time. -auto is for when you want the link to come up on demand, i.e. when you request a web page, or pick up your e-mail, etc. Matt Behrens | matt@zigg.com MST3K #85995 | http://www.zigg.com/ From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 15:08:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA10112 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (mail.mexcom.net [206.103.64.9] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA10102 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunix (eculp@sunix.mexcom.net [206.103.64.3]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA08339 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:06:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3415C8BD.5BEBAE9D@mexcom.net> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 17:07:57 -0500 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FATAL:xmalloc:Unable to allocate 4096 bytes. References: <3415C502.EEFA722@mexcom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Edwin Culp wrote: FreeBSD RELEG_2_2 Squid 1.1.15 pentium 133Mh 128M Ram with 32M for squid 1.8G divided in two disks, different controlers eide. >7,000 connections per hour. Worked fine at 3,500 Connections and release 2.2.2 I upgraded with cvsup and supprise. I'm recompiling my kernel just in case. It can't even finish reading the cache before dying:-( Anyone else seen this? Thanks Ed From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 15:22:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA10917 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA10911 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA26294; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:22:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709092222.QAA26294@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Don Croyle Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.2.5 release, can it be postponed? In-Reply-To: <86afhmdylg.fsf@gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us> References: <341565dd.68501361@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> <19970909123253.13741@vinyl.quickweb.com> <86d8mie5y0.fsf@gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us> <199709091850.MAA25301@rocky.mt.sri.com> <86afhmdylg.fsf@gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Yes it works, but there are a few features it would be nice to have > > > before it's unleashed on the world. Like a way to explicitly bring up > > > the link when running in auto mode. > > > > % ping remotehost > > > > works really well. > > Unless it takes so long to connect that the queue for outgoing packets > fills up. Not something that happens in just two or three tries, but > it it goes much beyond that.... So, let it run until the connection is up. As soon as the link comes up you'll know it. :) > ... there are times when > start-dialing-and-let-me-know-when-you've-connected is more what's > called for. You might want to try writing a shell script that checks the return value from ping, and when it returns successful then you'll know. ping -q -c 1 foo.bar.com Nate From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 15:50:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA12510 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA12463 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18069; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:48:01 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709092248.XAA18069@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: mouth@ibm.net (John Kelly) cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.5 release, can it be postponed? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Sep 1997 15:14:51 GMT." <341565dd.68501361@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 23:48:00 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Recent changes to user PPP have put it in an unusable state for me. > Although it's true that kernel PPPD works fine, user PPP is a highly > visible piece of the system since so many people are likely to use it. > > I hope that you wait until 2.2 is more stable before cutting the 2.2.5 > release. I wouldn't want a CD where user PPP is not working right. The interactive boo-boo has been fixed. I unwittingly made it a bit *too* secure, requiring a password even when running interactive. Sorry. > John > > The "other" problem where you dial IBM, negotiate successfully and can ping them but never get a reply is being looked at. -- Brian , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 15:56:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA12916 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.uniserve.com (dns1-van.uniserve.com [204.244.163.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA12896 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.210.252] by mail.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0x8ZFo-0003CU-00; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:59:28 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:49:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Edwin Culp cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FATAL:xmalloc:Unable to allocate 4096 bytes. In-Reply-To: <3415C8BD.5BEBAE9D@mexcom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Edwin Culp wrote: > Edwin Culp wrote: > FreeBSD RELEG_2_2 > Squid 1.1.15 > pentium 133Mh > 128M Ram with 32M for squid > 1.8G divided in two disks, different controlers eide. > >7,000 connections per hour. > > Worked fine at 3,500 Connections and release 2.2.2 > I upgraded with cvsup and supprise. I'm recompiling > my kernel just in case. > > It can't even finish reading the cache before dying:-( > Anyone else seen this? > > Thanks > > Ed > Is the userid that Squid is running at able to allocate 32MB of RAM? Do a: su squid (to change to the squid uid) csh -c limit (to display limits for squid uid) Tom From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 16:20:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA14721 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA14686 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA18429; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:18:51 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709092318.AAA18429@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Don Croyle cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.5 release, can it be postponed? In-reply-to: Your message of "09 Sep 1997 12:46:15 CDT." <86d8mie5y0.fsf@gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:18:51 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Mark Mayo writes: > > > User PPP works right... just "differently" than before. A specific > > reference to the different behaviour should be noted on the CD of course, > > but I think userland PPP is quite stable and working better than ever. > > Yes it works, but there are a few features it would be nice to have > before it's unleashed on the world. Like a way to explicitly bring up > the link when running in auto mode. > > It often takes me two or three tries to connect to my ISP, by which > time a program that's attempting to open a socket has usually timed > out. > > In the past, I've handled this by using invoking ppp interactively > when I'm present and using ppp -background for cron jobs. Now I'm > forced to use ppp -auto and my cron jobs keep timing out. :-( I take it the cron jobs aren't being run as root..... I think what's required here is a "connect" command. You could then use pppctl: pppctl -v -p xxxxx -t 120 3000 connect For the time being, I think you'll need to create a wrapper that execs ppp as root (or run the cron jobs as root). > -- > I've always wanted to be a dilettante, but I've never quite been ready > to make the commitment. -- Brian , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 17:10:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA17818 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA17781 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA19177; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 01:08:55 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709100008.BAA19177@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Brian Somers cc: Don Croyle , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.5 release, can it be postponed? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:18:51 BST." <199709092318.AAA18429@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 01:08:55 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I think what's required here is a "connect" command. You could then > use pppctl: > > pppctl -v -p xxxxx -t 120 3000 connect > > For the time being, I think you'll need to create a wrapper that > execs ppp as root (or run the cron jobs as root). Ok, it's a mis-feature in DialCommand. I've just fixed it. You can now pppctl -v -p xxxxx -t 120 3000 dial Howzat ? -- Brian , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 17:44:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA20096 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom1.netcom.com (mvh@netcom15.netcom.com [192.100.81.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA20084 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mvh@localhost) by netcom1.netcom.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA00955; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709100043.RAA00955@netcom1.netcom.com> From: "Michael V. Harding" To: croyle@gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <86d8mie5y0.fsf@gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us> (message from Don Croyle on 09 Sep 1997 12:46:15 -0500) Subject: Re: 2.2.5 release, can it be postponed? Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Actually, on a related note, it would be nice if ppp had a 'lock' file you could check to see if the connection was up. I use /var/spool/lock/LCK..cuaa1 for this purpose, but it would be nice if PPP had a way of telling cron jobs directly. I check for mail every 6 minutes if the connection is up, and every 2 hours if it's not. With dial-on-demand, of course. Mark Mayo writes: > User PPP works right... just "differently" than before. A specific > reference to the different behaviour should be noted on the CD of course, > but I think userland PPP is quite stable and working better than ever. Yes it works, but there are a few features it would be nice to have before it's unleashed on the world. Like a way to explicitly bring up the link when running in auto mode. It often takes me two or three tries to connect to my ISP, by which time a program that's attempting to open a socket has usually timed out. In the past, I've handled this by using invoking ppp interactively when I'm present and using ppp -background for cron jobs. Now I'm forced to use ppp -auto and my cron jobs keep timing out. :-( -- I've always wanted to be a dilettante, but I've never quite been ready to make the commitment. From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 18:33:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA23296 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA23288 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA20485; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:28:54 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709100128.CAA20485@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Michael V. Harding" cc: croyle@gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.5 release, can it be postponed? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Sep 1997 17:43:26 PDT." <199709100043.RAA00955@netcom1.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 02:28:54 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Actually, on a related note, it would be nice if ppp had a 'lock' file > you could check to see if the connection was up. I use > /var/spool/lock/LCK..cuaa1 for this purpose, but it would be nice if > PPP had a way of telling cron jobs directly. I check for mail every 6 > minutes if the connection is up, and every 2 hours if it's not. With > dial-on-demand, of course. See my other post: pppctl -v -p xxx 3000 show log | grep ^PPP >/dev/null && echo OK Ppp can really do a lot more than it used to. The docs are infinitely more detailed too :-) I just wish people would stop finding bugs :-I -- Brian , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 18:35:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA23463 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (mail.mexcom.net [206.103.64.9] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA23455 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 18:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunix (eculp@sunix.mexcom.net [206.103.64.3]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA00852; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:33:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3415F93E.4CDE9B64@mexcom.net> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 20:34:54 -0500 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom CC: Edwin Culp , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FATAL:xmalloc:Unable to allocate 4096 bytes. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tom wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Edwin Culp wrote: > > > Edwin Culp wrote: > > FreeBSD RELEG_2_2 > > Squid 1.1.15 > > pentium 133Mh > > 128M Ram with 32M for squid > > 1.8G divided in two disks, different controlers eide. > > >7,000 connections per hour. > > > > Worked fine at 3,500 Connections and release 2.2.2 > > I upgraded with cvsup and supprise. I'm recompiling > > my kernel just in case. > > > > It can't even finish reading the cache before dying:-( > > Anyone else seen this? > > > > Thanks > > > > Ed > > > > Is the userid that Squid is running at able to allocate 32MB of RAM? Do > a: > > su squid (to change to the squid uid) > > csh -c limit (to display limits for squid uid) > > Tom That was it. I just updated the login.conf file and everything seems to be o.k. Thanks a lot. Ed From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Sep 9 20:49:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA02455 for stable-outgoing; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obie.softweyr.ml.org ([199.104.124.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA02441 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from wes@localhost) by obie.softweyr.ml.org (8.7.5/8.6.12) id VAA23751; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 21:57:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 21:57:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199709100357.VAA23751@obie.softweyr.ml.org> From: Wes Peters To: Nate Williams CC: stable@freebsd.org, Don Croyle Subject: Re: 2.2.5 release, can it be postponed? In-Reply-To: <199709091850.MAA25301@rocky.mt.sri.com> References: <341565dd.68501361@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> <19970909123253.13741@vinyl.quickweb.com> <86d8mie5y0.fsf@gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us> <199709091850.MAA25301@rocky.mt.sri.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Don Croyle lamented: % It often takes me two or three tries to connect to my ISP, by which % time a program that's attempting to open a socket has usually timed % out. Nate Williams writes: > Try the ping trick. It works. Also, PPP's auto mode is as good as any > other on-demand product I've ever used. The time-out problem is a > function of TCP/IP, not of PPP since it can't do anything with packets > when the link is down, and it's doing everything it can to get the > connection up, so if the first couple of attempts fail, the TCP/IP > protocol will give up. Exactly. Believe me, I've been through this forwards, backwards, sidewards, and every other -wards in the last nine months. I'm proud to say the TCP/IP dial-up router I've been involved in building is AS RELIABLE at connecting as FreeBSD ppp. ;^) (We route faster and do NAT faster, but that is mostly a function of running far less software; we typically have only 4 or 5 tasks running at a time.) If you've configured ppp -auto correctly, it will do as good a job as any. You may want to look into writing a little script that will try 4 or 5 times doing a ping -c 1 before attempting to connect to the on-line service. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Sep 10 08:39:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA08636 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from room101.sysc.com (root@richmojm2.student.rose-hulman.edu [137.112.206.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA08614; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by room101.sysc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA00266; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:38:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:38:39 -0500 (EST) From: Charlie ROOT To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: mount cdrom returns "input/output error" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello-- I searched the FAQ and handbook for an answer to this before asking, but I still apologize in advance if this is a "stupid question." Here's the situation... Ever since I upgraded to 2.2-STABLE, I am unable to mount any CD-ROM's that I have (I tested this by going back to the 2.2.2-RELEASE kernel and the CD-ROM worked great, unfortunately, I need 2.2-STABLE for some other fixes.) I am sure the CD-ROM is working fine and the CD is OK. When I mount the CD, it says: # mount -t cd9660 /dev/wcd0a /cdrom cd9660: /dev/wcd0a: Input/output error The drive is on the second IDE channel as a SLAVE, without a master (this worked fine before with 2.2.2-RELEASE, has there been a change?). I also double checked my source configuration files as well: controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 vector wdintr disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 options ATAPI options ATAPI_STATIC device wcd0 I also have it set up for the primary controller. This is the same configuration that was in GENERIC for 2.2.2-RELEASE on my system. The drive is detected on boot up too: /kernel: wdc1: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, intr, dma, iordis I've also searched the mailing list archives, and most of the time the error is due to the device not being recognized or a CD not being in the drive, etc. However, none of that applies here. My question is: is there something in 2.2-STABLE that's changed that I would need to make other changes to my OS to make the CD work? I don't subscribe to the freebsd-questions or freebsd-stable mailing lists, so please send a copy of your reponse to me via e-mail. Thank you very much for your time, Jay jayrich@sysc.com From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Sep 10 11:29:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA18117 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us (fw1-5.fwi.com [207.113.68.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA18112; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from croyle@localhost) by gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA24586; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:04:12 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mount cdrom returns "input/output error" References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Don Croyle Date: 10 Sep 1997 13:04:12 -0500 Organization: Minimal at best In-Reply-To: Charlie ROOT's message of "Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:38:39 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: <86pvqhkpur.fsf@gelemna.ft-wayne.in.us> Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/XEmacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Charlie ROOT writes: > Ever since I upgraded to 2.2-STABLE, I am unable to mount any CD-ROM's > that I have (I tested this by going back to the 2.2.2-RELEASE kernel and > the CD-ROM worked great, unfortunately, I need 2.2-STABLE for some other > fixes.) I am sure the CD-ROM is working fine and the CD is OK. The generic kernel has support for the cd9660 file system compiled into it, but since it's available as a module it's usually left out of locally compiled kernels. Try saying: #modload /lkm/cd9660_mod.o before you mount the cdrom. -- I've always wanted to be a dilettante, but I've never quite been ready to make the commitment. From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Sep 10 11:40:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA18894 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from room101.sysc.com (jayrich@richmojm2.student.rose-hulman.edu [137.112.206.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA18874; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jayrich@localhost) by room101.sysc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA00269; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:39:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:39:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Jay M. Richmond" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mount cdrom returns "input/output error" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Please note: since I posted this I've also tried putting the CD-ROM on the primary controller and configuring it as a slave... same result. Thanks again for your time, Jay jayrich@sysc.com On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Charlie ROOT wrote: > Hello-- > > I searched the FAQ and handbook for an answer to this before asking, but I > still apologize in advance if this is a "stupid question." > > Here's the situation... > > Ever since I upgraded to 2.2-STABLE, I am unable to mount any CD-ROM's > that I have (I tested this by going back to the 2.2.2-RELEASE kernel and > the CD-ROM worked great, unfortunately, I need 2.2-STABLE for some other > fixes.) I am sure the CD-ROM is working fine and the CD is OK. > > When I mount the CD, it says: > > # mount -t cd9660 /dev/wcd0a /cdrom > cd9660: /dev/wcd0a: Input/output error > > The drive is on the second IDE channel as a SLAVE, without a master (this > worked fine before with 2.2.2-RELEASE, has there been a change?). > > I also double checked my source configuration files as well: > > controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 vector wdintr > disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 > disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 > > options ATAPI > options ATAPI_STATIC > device wcd0 > > I also have it set up for the primary controller. This is the same > configuration that was in GENERIC for 2.2.2-RELEASE on my system. > > The drive is detected on boot up too: > > /kernel: wdc1: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, intr, dma, iordis > > I've also searched the mailing list archives, and most of the time the > error is due to the device not being recognized or a CD not being in the > drive, etc. However, none of that applies here. > > My question is: is there something in 2.2-STABLE that's changed that I > would need to make other changes to my OS to make the CD work? > > I don't subscribe to the freebsd-questions or freebsd-stable mailing > lists, so please send a copy of your reponse to me via e-mail. > > Thank you very much for your time, > > Jay > jayrich@sysc.com From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Sep 10 14:25:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA28117 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from destiny.erols.com (root@destiny.erols.com [207.96.73.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA28087; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from destiny.erols.com (someone@destiny.erols.com [207.96.73.65]) by destiny.erols.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA06994; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:24:23 -0400 (EDT) From: John Dowdal To: "Jay M. Richmond" cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mount cdrom returns "input/output error" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I get the same error on a cvsup'd stable, downloaded around 9-1-97. I can not "mount -o ro -t cd9660 /dev/worm0c /mnt" without getting a IO error. I used to be able to mount this, using the same kernel config. The drive is a HP 4020i CD writer. It is possible for me to do dd if=/dev/rworm0 of=/dev/null bs=32k and read the whole CD; don't know if I can write cd's or not with this version because I haven't tried. John On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Jay M. Richmond wrote: > Please note: since I posted this I've also tried putting the CD-ROM on the > primary controller and configuring it as a slave... same result. > > Thanks again for your time, > Jay > jayrich@sysc.com > > On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Charlie ROOT wrote: > > > Hello-- > > > > I searched the FAQ and handbook for an answer to this before asking, but I > > still apologize in advance if this is a "stupid question." > > > > Here's the situation... > > > > Ever since I upgraded to 2.2-STABLE, I am unable to mount any CD-ROM's > > that I have (I tested this by going back to the 2.2.2-RELEASE kernel and > > the CD-ROM worked great, unfortunately, I need 2.2-STABLE for some other > > fixes.) I am sure the CD-ROM is working fine and the CD is OK. > > > > When I mount the CD, it says: > > > > # mount -t cd9660 /dev/wcd0a /cdrom > > cd9660: /dev/wcd0a: Input/output error > > > > The drive is on the second IDE channel as a SLAVE, without a master (this > > worked fine before with 2.2.2-RELEASE, has there been a change?). > > > > I also double checked my source configuration files as well: > > > > controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 vector wdintr > > disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 > > disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 > > > > options ATAPI > > options ATAPI_STATIC > > device wcd0 > > > > I also have it set up for the primary controller. This is the same > > configuration that was in GENERIC for 2.2.2-RELEASE on my system. > > > > The drive is detected on boot up too: > > > > /kernel: wdc1: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, intr, dma, iordis > > > > I've also searched the mailing list archives, and most of the time the > > error is due to the device not being recognized or a CD not being in the > > drive, etc. However, none of that applies here. > > > > My question is: is there something in 2.2-STABLE that's changed that I > > would need to make other changes to my OS to make the CD work? > > > > I don't subscribe to the freebsd-questions or freebsd-stable mailing > > lists, so please send a copy of your reponse to me via e-mail. > > > > Thank you very much for your time, > > > > Jay > > jayrich@sysc.com > > > From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Sep 10 19:45:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA17814 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.2.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA17792; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.3/8.8.3a) id TAA25484; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:43:23 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199709110243.TAA25484@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: mount cdrom returns "input/output error" To: root@room101.sysc.com (Charlie ROOT) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:43:22 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from Charlie ROOT at "Sep 10, 97 10:38:39 am" Reply-to: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The drive is on the second IDE channel as a SLAVE, without a master > (this worked fine before with 2.2.2-RELEASE, has there been a > change?). I'd sure flinch at the idea of an IDE channel without a master. I've got a system with two IDE channels, and have a hard drive as the master on one, and a CD-ROM drive as the master on the other. Both work just fine. Any reason you don't want to move the jumper on the CD-ROM, and make it a master? -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com crl22@aol.com DCF, Inc. - 14523 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Sep 10 20:34:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA21939 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA21934; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA29558; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:03:43 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970911130343.52563@lemis.com> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:03:43 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: chad@dcfinc.com Cc: Charlie ROOT , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mount cdrom returns "input/output error" References: <199709110243.TAA25484@freebie.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <199709110243.TAA25484@freebie.dcfinc.com>; from Chad R. Larson on Wed, Sep 10, 1997 at 07:43:22PM -0700 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Sep 10, 1997 at 07:43:22PM -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote: >> The drive is on the second IDE channel as a SLAVE, without a master >> (this worked fine before with 2.2.2-RELEASE, has there been a >> change?). > > I'd sure flinch at the idea of an IDE channel without a master. I've got > a system with two IDE channels, and have a hard drive as the master on > one, and a CD-ROM drive as the master on the other. Both work just > fine. I missed this before. The master on an IDE interface performs work both for itself and on behalf of the slave (if you ask me, the terminology's the wrong way round). I can't believe that a slave can work without a master. Greg From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Sep 10 20:34:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA22018 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spinner.dialix.com.au (spinner.dialix.com.au [192.203.228.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA21988; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spinner.dialix.com.au (localhost.dialix.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.dialix.com.au with ESMTP id LAA21168; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:34:08 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.dialix.com.au) Message-Id: <199709110334.LAA21168@spinner.dialix.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: current@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:34:07 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Due to the legal 'situation' with the trademark owner, all files with "tetris" in the name have been rather hastily removed from the cvs tree. Yes, we are well aware of the problems that this will cause.. It'll stop the various RELENG_*_RELEASE builds from compiling, and will cause any current checked out src or ports trees to abort on a 'cvs update'. You will see this sort of thing: [11:23am]~src/games-163> cvs -q update -d -P cvs [update aborted]: cannot open directory /home/ncvs/src/games/tetris: No such file or directory [11:23am]~src/games-164> The solution is to rm -rf the src/games/tetris and ports/games/xtetris directories, cvs will then procede. Oh, a word of warning. If anybody accidently restores the RCS ,v files on their private machines after cvsup has run and deleted them, cvsup will not delete them a second time... Caution is advised. Cheers, -Peter From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Sep 10 21:23:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA24904 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from room101.sysc.com (root@richmojm2.student.rose-hulman.edu [137.112.206.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA24886; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jayrich@localhost) by room101.sysc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA00449; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:59:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:59:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Jay M. Richmond" To: Greg Lehey cc: chad@dcfinc.com, Charlie ROOT , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mount cdrom returns "input/output error" In-Reply-To: <19970911130343.52563@lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As I explained in my latest post, I've already tried making the CD-ROM a master, on both the primary and secondary controllers.. Also it just worked fine a few days ago under 2.2.2-RELEASE, so I'm positive this is not the problem. On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 1997 at 07:43:22PM -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote: > >> The drive is on the second IDE channel as a SLAVE, without a master > >> (this worked fine before with 2.2.2-RELEASE, has there been a > >> change?). > > > > I'd sure flinch at the idea of an IDE channel without a master. I've got > > a system with two IDE channels, and have a hard drive as the master on > > one, and a CD-ROM drive as the master on the other. Both work just > > fine. > > I missed this before. The master on an IDE interface performs work > both for itself and on behalf of the slave (if you ask me, the > terminology's the wrong way round). I can't believe that a slave can > work without a master. > > Greg > From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Sep 10 22:20:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA27365 for stable-outgoing; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagual.pp.ru (ache@ache.relcom.ru [194.58.229.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA27358; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.8.7/8.8.5) id JAA00551; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:20:18 +0400 (MSD) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:20:16 +0400 (MSD) From: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= To: Peter Wemm cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... In-Reply-To: <199709110334.LAA21168@spinner.dialix.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Peter Wemm wrote: > Due to the legal 'situation' with the trademark owner, all files with > "tetris" in the name have been rather hastily removed from the cvs tree. I don't understand why it is removed and not renamed instead. Is it supposed to come back under different name? The code itself is written from scratch and _not_ illegal. > The solution is to rm -rf the src/games/tetris and ports/games/xtetris > directories, cvs will then procede. Why xtetris even touched? xtetris != tetris in any case. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 00:36:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA04897 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.2.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA04886; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from larson (larson.anasazi.com [138.113.17.64]) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.3/8.8.3a) with SMTP id AAA25830; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:34:21 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199709110734.AAA25830@freebie.dcfinc.com> X-Sender: chad@freebie.dcfinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:34:35 -0600 To: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= , Peter Wemm From: "Chad R. Larson" Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:20 AM 9/11/97 +0400, wrote: >I don't understand why it is removed and not renamed instead. >Is it supposed to come back under different name? >The code itself is written from scratch and _not_ illegal. It would seem to me that a simple re-name would take care of the legal issues. Call it "breakout". :-) -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 CRL22@aol.com chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Az 85254-2207 From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 05:35:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA18523 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 05:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA18515; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 05:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA20965; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 05:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709111237.FAA20965@implode.root.com> To: "Chad R. Larson" cc: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= , Peter Wemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:34:35 MDT." <199709110734.AAA25830@freebie.dcfinc.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 05:37:04 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >At 09:20 AM 9/11/97 +0400, wrote: >>I don't understand why it is removed and not renamed instead. >>Is it supposed to come back under different name? >>The code itself is written from scratch and _not_ illegal. > >It would seem to me that a simple re-name would take care of the legal issues. >Call it "breakout". :-) It's possible that after the code has been sanitized of "tetris" that it could come back under a different name. This will require source changes and is not a concern right now, however. We were compelled to take immediate action. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 05:39:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA18704 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 05:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA18699; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 05:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA21003; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 05:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709111241.FAA21003@implode.root.com> To: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= cc: Peter Wemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:20:16 +0400." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 05:41:25 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> The solution is to rm -rf the src/games/tetris and ports/games/xtetris >> directories, cvs will then procede. > >Why xtetris even touched? xtetris != tetris in any case. Well, if you understood what a trademark was, then you wouldn't be saying that. That "xtetris" implies or indicates the qualities of the "tetris" game by using the word in the name is plenty enough for it to be a violation of the trademark. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 06:30:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA20865 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-koblenz.de (mailhost.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA20833; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pinthus (arvind@pinthus.uni-koblenz.de [141.26.4.95]) by informatik.uni-koblenz.de (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA21719; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:09:57 +0200 (MEST) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:09:54 +0200 (MET DST) From: Chandrabose ARAVINDAN X-Sender: arvind@pinthus To: Charlie ROOT cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mount cdrom returns "input/output error" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Mailer: Pine 3.96 (SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u sparc SUNW Ultra-1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Charlie ROOT wrote: > Ever since I upgraded to 2.2-STABLE, I am unable to mount any CD-ROM's > that I have (I tested this by going back to the 2.2.2-RELEASE kernel and > the CD-ROM worked great, unfortunately, I need 2.2-STABLE for some other > fixes.) I am sure the CD-ROM is working fine and the CD is OK. > > When I mount the CD, it says: > > # mount -t cd9660 /dev/wcd0a /cdrom > cd9660: /dev/wcd0a: Input/output error > > The drive is on the second IDE channel as a SLAVE, without a master (this > worked fine before with 2.2.2-RELEASE, has there been a change?). > > I also double checked my source configuration files as well: > > controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 vector wdintr > disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 > disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 Hello! Since you do not have any hard disks attached to your second IDE channel, I suggest to comment the last two lines out and compile the kernel again. > options ATAPI > options ATAPI_STATIC > device wcd0 > The drive is detected on boot up too: > > /kernel: wdc1: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, intr, dma, iordis I don't think the system has detected the CDROM. Perhaps it misidentifies the CDROM as a removable hard disk. So, as I suggested above, comment those two lines and compile the kernel again. Hope this helps! arvind From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 07:12:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA22805 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lsd.relcom.eu.net (ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net [193.124.23.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA22783; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ache@localhost) by lsd.relcom.eu.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA06814; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:11:52 +0400 (MSD) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:11:46 +0400 (MSD) From: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= X-Sender: ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net To: David Greenman cc: "Chad R. Larson" , Peter Wemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... In-Reply-To: <199709111237.FAA20965@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, David Greenman wrote: > >At 09:20 AM 9/11/97 +0400, wrote: > >>I don't understand why it is removed and not renamed instead. > >>Is it supposed to come back under different name? > >>The code itself is written from scratch and _not_ illegal. > > > >It would seem to me that a simple re-name would take care of the legal issues. > >Call it "breakout". :-) > > It's possible that after the code has been sanitized of "tetris" that it > could come back under a different name. This will require source changes > and is not a concern right now, however. We were compelled to take immediate > action. I can take this "sanitizing" task. Could you please describe me (privately) your point of view on this process since you are more familiar with those trademark laws? Do you have any good name candidade to not break someone trademark again? :-) -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 07:25:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA23871 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daria.cdnow.com (daria.cdnow.com [198.138.235.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA23866; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from heller@localhost) by daria.cdnow.com (8.7.5/8.6.7) id KAA26227; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:20:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Karl Heller" Message-Id: <199709111420.KAA26227@daria.cdnow.com> Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Cc: ache@nagual.pp.ru, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: heller@cdnow.com In-Reply-To: <199709111241.FAA21003@implode.root.com> from "David Greenman" at Sep 11, 97 05:41:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> The solution is to rm -rf the src/games/tetris and ports/games/xtetris > >> directories, cvs will then procede. > > > >Why xtetris even touched? xtetris != tetris in any case. > Well, if you understood what a trademark was, then you wouldn't be saying > that. That "xtetris" implies or indicates the qualities of the "tetris" game > by using the word in the name is plenty enough for it to be a violation of > the trademark. > -DG I guess I better not install any "Windows" in my house then. *grin* -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- A. Karl Heller Senior Systems Engineer CDnow Inc. http://cdnow.com From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 08:04:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA26541 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.buffalostate.edu (hummel@www.buffalostate.edu [136.183.2.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA26516; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hummel@localhost) by www.buffalostate.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA15225; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:04:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:04:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Hummel To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: help!: make world fail on stable Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk After many successful 'make worlds', I finally had a blow up. Source was cvsup'd last night 9-11-97. It happened just before I left the house so I apologize if my information is incomplete. It seems to me that the ppp code changed in between Sunday 9-7-97, but I could be wrong. Basically, it looks like this: install -c -s -o root -g network -m 4550 ppp /usr/sbin install: unknown group network **** Error code 67 Stop **** Error code 1 **** Errot code 1 Please advise how to rectify this. From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 08:28:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA27863 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tarkin.smlab.com ([208.132.36.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA27855 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from r2d2.smlab.com (mike@r2d2.smlab.com [192.168.2.7]) by tarkin.smlab.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01560 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by r2d2.smlab.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id LAA20435 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:11:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:11:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Nowlin To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: unknown class? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just upgraded one of my machines from 2.1.7.1 to 2.2-STABLE (as of last 9/5/97).... Other than a few dumb little problems (missing "mail" and "network" in /etc/group, etc.), it went fairly well..... But..... Now I'm getting messages in /var/log/messages I can't explain. A similar message appears when "root" logs in, and also when the system boots -- it complains about "daemon" : Sep 11 10:31:01 lister login: login from 208.132.36.130 on ttyp0 as mike Sep 11 10:31:03 lister su: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' Sep 11 10:31:06 lister su: mike to root on /dev/ttyp0 Sep 11 10:35:00 lister CRON[26769]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' Sep 11 10:40:00 lister CRON[26772]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' After the machine was done with the first "make world", it wouldn't allow any connections from inetd -- kept complaining about an undefined symbol in (I think) libutil... I did a "cd /usr/src;make lib", and that seemed to fix the problem, but then I started getting these "unknown class" messages. I did another make world, but nothing else changed after that. Any brilliant ideas? Thanks -- Mike From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 08:46:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA28691 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlantis.nconnect.net (root@atlantis.nconnect.net [207.227.50.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA28654; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arabian (arabian.microxp.com [207.227.65.13]) by atlantis.nconnect.net (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10601; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:50:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:49:28 -0500 Message-ID: <01BCBEA0.609B5A50.randyd@nconnect.net> From: Randy DuCharme To: "'Dave Hummel'" , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Cc: "questions@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: help!: make world fail on stable Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:49:27 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thursday, September 11, 1997 10:04 AM, Dave Hummel [SMTP:hummel@www.buffalostate.edu] wrote: > > After many successful 'make worlds', I finally had a blow up. Source was > cvsup'd last night 9-11-97. It happened just before I left the house so I > apologize if my information is incomplete. It seems to me that the ppp > code changed in between Sunday 9-7-97, but I could be wrong. > > Basically, it looks like this: > > install -c -s -o root -g network -m 4550 ppp /usr/sbin > install: unknown group network > **** Error code 67 > Stop > **** Error code 1 > **** Errot code 1 > > Please advise how to rectify this. > I just added network and ppp to /etc/group. :) -- Randall D DuCharme Systems Engineer Novell, Microsoft, and UNIX Networking Support Computer Specialists BSDI Internet Success Partners 414-253-9998 414-253-9919 (fax) BSD/OS Authorized Resellers From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 09:12:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA00660 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snitterly.nanoteq.co.za (snitterly.nanoteq.co.za [163.195.221.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA00614 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pc-pvl.nanoteq.co.za (pc-pvl.nanoteq.co.za [163.195.219.103]) by snitterly.nanoteq.co.za (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id SAA10587; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:13:58 GMT Received: by pc-pvl.nanoteq.co.za with Microsoft Mail id <01BCBEDE.08A3A210@pc-pvl.nanoteq.co.za>; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:10:49 +0200 Message-ID: <01BCBEDE.08A3A210@pc-pvl.nanoteq.co.za> From: "P. van Leeuwen" To: "'Mike Nowlin'" , "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: unknown class? Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:10:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brilliant ideas ? Yes!!!!! Read ERRATA.TXT Search the mailing list archive This problem has been reported at least a hundred times on this mailing list. Next time try one of the above mentioned solutions before mailing the list. Now for the real answer : You need to copy the file /usr/src/etc/login.conf to /etc. This is because the version of sysinstall that you are using forgets to do this :) Glad to help Pierre P. van Leeuwen pvl@nanoteq.com http://www.nanoteq.co.za -----Original Message----- From: Mike Nowlin [SMTP:mike@r2d2.smlab.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 1997 5:11 PM To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: unknown class? I just upgraded one of my machines from 2.1.7.1 to 2.2-STABLE (as of last 9/5/97).... Other than a few dumb little problems (missing "mail" and "network" in /etc/group, etc.), it went fairly well..... But..... Now I'm getting messages in /var/log/messages I can't explain. A similar message appears when "root" logs in, and also when the system boots -- it complains about "daemon" : Sep 11 10:31:01 lister login: login from 208.132.36.130 on ttyp0 as mike Sep 11 10:31:03 lister su: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' Sep 11 10:31:06 lister su: mike to root on /dev/ttyp0 Sep 11 10:35:00 lister CRON[26769]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' Sep 11 10:40:00 lister CRON[26772]: login_getclass: unknown class 'root' After the machine was done with the first "make world", it wouldn't allow any connections from inetd -- kept complaining about an undefined symbol in (I think) libutil... I did a "cd /usr/src;make lib", and that seemed to fix the problem, but then I started getting these "unknown class" messages. I did another make world, but nothing else changed after that. Any brilliant ideas? Thanks -- Mike From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 11:29:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA08117 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usr07.primenet.com (tlambert@usr07.primenet.com [206.165.6.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA08101; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA25004; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:29:13 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199709111829.LAA25004@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:29:12 +0000 (GMT) Cc: ache@nagual.pp.ru, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199709111241.FAA21003@implode.root.com> from "David Greenman" at Sep 11, 97 05:41:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >Why xtetris even touched? xtetris != tetris in any case. > > Well, if you understood what a trademark was, then you wouldn't be saying > that. That "xtetris" implies or indicates the qualities of the "tetris" game > by using the word in the name is plenty enough for it to be a violation of > the trademark. >Sniff< ... >Sniff< ... That was >sniff< a *beautiful* definition, David... Someone, please hand me an xkleenex... I'm all xverklempt. >Sniff< Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 11:43:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA09230 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usr07.primenet.com (tlambert@usr07.primenet.com [206.165.6.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA09223; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA25652; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:42:57 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199709111842.LAA25652@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... To: ache@nagual.pp.ru (=?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?=) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:42:56 +0000 (GMT) Cc: dg@root.com, chad@dcfinc.com, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "=?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?=" at Sep 11, 97 06:11:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > It's possible that after the code has been sanitized of "tetris" that it > > could come back under a different name. This will require source changes > > and is not a concern right now, however. We were compelled to take immediate > > action. > > I can take this "sanitizing" task. Could you please describe me > (privately) your point of view on this process since you are more familiar > with those trademark laws? Do you have any good name candidade to not > break someone trademark again? :-) We all know that what they really want is to stifle competition, since they will never willing enter the UNIX market with a commercial product; they want you to run DOS and use their DOS product instead. Jerks. I suggest the following: Rename the source file to "main.c" and the man source to main.6. Then, in the Makefile: PROG= newname SRCS= main.c ... CFLAGS+=-DPROGNAME=\"${PROG)\" ${PROG}.6: main.6 ... sed main.6 with ${PROG} to create ${PROG}.6 ... ...So it's a one line change forever after. PS: I'm partial to xtris. "tetris-like-game" is too much to type. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 11:44:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA09327 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usr07.primenet.com (tlambert@usr07.primenet.com [206.165.6.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA09317; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA25674; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:43:58 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199709111843.LAA25674@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... To: heller@cdnow.com Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:43:57 +0000 (GMT) Cc: dg@root.com, ache@nagual.pp.ru, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199709111420.KAA26227@daria.cdnow.com> from "A. Karl Heller" at Sep 11, 97 10:20:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I guess I better not install any "Windows" in my house then. > > *grin* That's not a problem, so long as your house doesn't resemble Bills... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 12:52:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA13243 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hod.tera.com (hod.tera.com [207.108.223.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA13213; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athena.tera.com (athena.tera.com [207.108.223.153]) by hod.tera.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14146; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:51:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Kline Received: (from kline@localhost) by athena.tera.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA16815; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709111951.MAA16815@athena.tera.com> Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... In-Reply-To: <199709111842.LAA25652@usr07.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "Sep 11, 97 06:42:56 pm" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ache@nagual.pp.ru, dg@root.com, chad@dcfinc.com, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL23 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Terry Lambert: > [[ ... ]] > > ...So it's a one line change forever after. > > PS: I'm partial to xtris. "tetris-like-game" is too much to type. 8-). > > How about ``xtrix''? I'm partial to X's... :-) gary kline From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 14:05:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA17750 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hobbes.saturn-tech.com (drussell@drussell.internode.net [198.161.228.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA17725; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by hobbes.saturn-tech.com (8.8.4/8.8.2) with SMTP id PAA25705; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:03:03 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:03:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell Reply-To: Doug Russell To: heller@cdnow.com cc: dg@root.com, ache@nagual.pp.ru, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... In-Reply-To: <199709111420.KAA26227@daria.cdnow.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, A. Karl Heller wrote: > > Well, if you understood what a trademark was, then you wouldn't be saying > > that. That "xtetris" implies or indicates the qualities of the "tetris" game > > by using the word in the name is plenty enough for it to be a violation of > > the trademark. > > I guess I better not install any "Windows" in my house then. > > *grin* :) I trademark only applies to the particular good(s) and/or service(s) registered. If I pop into my handy-dandy trademark database, (the US in this example) there are 234 hits on "windows". Here's the register page for the one we are probably interested in follows. Note the section "GOODS/SERVICES". --- CUT --- MARK : MICROSOFT WINDOWS STATUS TEXT : REGISTERED REGISTRATION NO : 1959130 REGISTRATION DATE : 27 FEB 1996 PUBLICATION DATE : 26 APR 1994 SERIAL NUMBER : 74-198891 FILING DATE : 28 AUG 1991 REGISTER : PRINCIPAL MARK DRAWING CODE : (3) DESIGN PLUS WORDS, LETTERS AND/OR NUMBERS DESIGN SEARCH CODE : 070702 261313 261321 ORIGINAL OWNER : Microsoft Corporation WASHINGTON - CORPORATION One Microsoft Way Redmond WASHINGTON 98052 CORRESP. ADDR : William O. Ferron, Jr. Seed And Berry 6300 Columbia Center 701 Fifth Avenue Seattle, Washington 98104-7092 ATTORNEY NAME : William O. Ferron, Jr. INTERNAT. CLASS : 09 U.S. CLASS : 21 23 26 36 38 DETAILED STATUS : Registered BASIS : Intent to Use PSEUDO MARK : MICRO-SOFT WINDOWS 2(f) LIMITATION : as to "WINDOWS" OWNER OF OTHER : (0)1200236 (0)1252912 (0)1256083 (0)1259874 (0)1673353 (0)1682075 AND OTHERS. GOODS/SERVICES: IC 09; US 21 23 26 36 38; computers and components therefor, computer pe ripherals, and computer programs in the field of graphical applications, and manuals therefor sold as a unit. FIRST USE: 19910827 ; FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19910827 ----------------------------- TITLE HISTORY ----------------------- Type: Undefined Reel/Frame: 1204/0287 Assignor: MICROSOFT CORPORATION Assignee: MICROSOFT CORPORATION (WASHINGTON - CORPORATION) ONE MICROSOFT WAY REDMOND, WA 98052 Date Signed : 19931101 Date Recorded : 19940809 Details: MERGER AND CHANGE OF NAME EFFECTIVE NOVEMBER 1, 1993 (SEE DOCUMENT FOR DETAILS) ---------------------------------- Type: Undefined Reel/Frame: 1253/0274 Assignor: MICROSOFT CORPORATION Assignee: MICROSOFT CORPORATION (WASHINGTON - CORPORATION) ONE MICROSOFT WAY REDMOND, WA 98052 Date Signed : 19931101 Date Recorded : 19941121 Details: MERGER, EFFECTIVE ON NOVERMBER 1, 1993 . ---------------------------------- Later...... From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 14:10:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA18242 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hobbes.saturn-tech.com (drussell@drussell.internode.net [198.161.228.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18237; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by hobbes.saturn-tech.com (8.8.4/8.8.2) with SMTP id PAA25831; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:09:28 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:09:28 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: heller@cdnow.com cc: dg@root.com, ache@nagual.pp.ru, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... In-Reply-To: <199709111420.KAA26227@daria.cdnow.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Oh ya... I forgot I was going to include this too.... :) This is the wares/services listed for the TETRIS trademark: IC 28; US 02 22 23 38; games and playthings; namely, action figures; bagatelle games; bath toys; beanbag games; board games; bop bags; video game, carrying cases, holders, racks and storage cases for home video game systems and video game cartridges; card games; dart guns; decorative wind socks; dolls; electronic exercise mats interactive with a video game display; electronic game equipment for playing video games; electronic game programs; electronic toys with a clock or timepiece feature, hand-held electronic toys; toy kaleidoscopes; kites, magnetic slates; nonelectronic hand-held games; pinball games; player-operated electronic controllers for electronic video game machines; plush dolls; puppets; jigsaw puzzles; ring toss games; target sets composed of targets and projectiles; toy balloons, toy banks; toy binoculars, toy bowling sets composed of bowling pins and bowling balls; toy figures mountable on pencils and pens; toy light guns interactive with a video game display; toy vehicles; water-activated bagatelle games, wind-up toys, and yo-yos. International Class 28 is things like games, toys, sports equipment, BTW. Later...... From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 14:37:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA22779 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hwcn.org (main.hwcn.org [199.212.94.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA22746; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (ac199@james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by hwcn.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA11831; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA03350; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:35:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca: ac199 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:35:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: ac199@james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca Reply-To: hoek@hwcn.org To: Terry Lambert cc: =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= , dg@root.com, chad@dcfinc.com, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... In-Reply-To: <199709111842.LAA25652@usr07.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Terry Lambert wrote: > PS: I'm partial to xtris. "tetris-like-game" is too much to type. 8-). I'd been thinking "sirtet" would be somehow appropriate. -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 15:07:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA24828 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hobbes.saturn-tech.com (drussell@drussell.internode.net [198.161.228.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA24819; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by hobbes.saturn-tech.com (8.8.4/8.8.2) with SMTP id QAA27001; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:05:43 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:05:42 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Tim Vanderhoek cc: Terry Lambert , =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= , dg@root.com, chad@dcfinc.com, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > PS: I'm partial to xtris. "tetris-like-game" is too much to type. 8-). > > I'd been thinking "sirtet" would be somehow appropriate. They'd still complain. Do you think MS would let someone call a windowing system or OS swodniW? That does have a nifty ring to it, doesn't it? :) Something like blockdrop is probably a better idea. Later...... From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 15:19:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA25971 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bofh.noc.best.net (rone@ennui.org [205.149.163.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA25966; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rone@localhost) by bofh.noc.best.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) id PAA07767; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:18:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Ron Echeverri Message-Id: <199709112218.PAA07767@bofh.noc.best.net> Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... In-Reply-To: from Tim Vanderhoek at "Sep 11, 97 05:35:28 pm" To: current@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:18:56 -0700 (PDT) X-GmbH: Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tim Vanderhoek writes: On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Terry Lambert wrote: > PS: I'm partial to xtris. "tetris-like-game" is too much to type. 8-). I'd been thinking "sirtet" would be somehow appropriate. Or "grgevf". rone -- Ron Echeverri Systems/Usenet Administration "This is _my_ ISP, _i_ do the Best Internet Communications, Inc. ass-kicking around here!" -rpwhite From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 15:30:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA26813 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA26771; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA12520; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:26:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id RAA19741; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:25:43 -0500 Message-ID: <19970911172543.53338@right.PCS> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:25:43 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: Doug Russell Cc: heller@cdnow.com, dg@root.com, ache@nagual.pp.ru, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... References: <199709111420.KAA26227@daria.cdnow.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Doug Russell on Sep 09, 1997 at 03:09:28PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sep 09, 1997 at 03:09:28PM -0600, Doug Russell wrote: > > Oh ya... I forgot I was going to include this too.... :) > > This is the wares/services listed for the TETRIS trademark: > > IC 28; US 02 22 23 38; games and playthings; namely, action figures; > bagatelle games; bath toys; beanbag games; board games; bop bags; > video game, carrying cases, holders, racks and storage cases for home > video game systems and video game cartridges; card games; dart guns; > decorative wind socks; dolls; electronic exercise mats interactive with > a video game display; electronic game equipment for playing video games; > electronic game programs; electronic toys with a clock or timepiece > feature, hand-held electronic toys; toy kaleidoscopes; kites, magnetic > slates; nonelectronic hand-held games; pinball games; player-operated > electronic controllers for electronic video game machines; plush dolls; > puppets; jigsaw puzzles; ring toss games; target sets composed of > targets and projectiles; toy balloons, toy banks; toy binoculars, toy > bowling sets composed of bowling pins and bowling balls; toy figures > mountable on pencils and pens; toy light guns interactive with a video > game display; toy vehicles; water-activated bagatelle games, wind-up > toys, and yo-yos. Wait a minute, I don't see 'computer software' listed there. Or is it assumed that "electronic game programs" mean computer software? -- Jonathan From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 15:38:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA27614 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from micron.efn.org (d198-232.uoregon.edu [128.223.198.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA27591; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mini@localhost) by micron.efn.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA12434; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970911153720.27685@micron.efn.org> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:37:20 -0700 From: Jonathan Mini To: Doug Russell Cc: Tim Vanderhoek , Terry Lambert , =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= , dg@root.com, chad@dcfinc.com, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... Reply-To: Jonathan Mini References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.76e In-Reply-To: ; from Doug Russell on Thu, Sep 11, 1997 at 04:05:42PM -0600 X-files: The Truth is Out There. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Doug Russell stands accused of saying : Why not call it 'blocks' ? Short, sweet, and doesn't look close enough to me :) > > On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > > > On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > > PS: I'm partial to xtris. "tetris-like-game" is too much to type. 8-). > > > > I'd been thinking "sirtet" would be somehow appropriate. > > They'd still complain. Do you think MS would let someone call a windowing > system or OS swodniW? That does have a nifty ring to it, doesn't it? :) > > Something like blockdrop is probably a better idea. > > Later...... > > -- Jonathan Mini (j_mini@efn.org) Ingenious Productions Software Development P.O. Box 5693 Eugene, Or 97405 From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 15:59:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA00570 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daria.cdnow.com ([209.83.166.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA00520; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from heller@localhost) by daria.cdnow.com (8.7.5/8.6.7) id SAA00581; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:50:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "A. Karl Heller" Message-Id: <199709112250.SAA00581@daria.cdnow.com> Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... To: drussell@saturn-tech.com (Doug Russell) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hoek@hwcn.org, tlambert@primenet.com, ache@nagual.pp.ru, dg@root.com, chad@dcfinc.com, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: heller@cdnow.com In-Reply-To: from "Doug Russell" at Sep 11, 97 04:05:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > > On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > > > PS: I'm partial to xtris. "tetris-like-game" is too much to type. 8-). > > > > I'd been thinking "sirtet" would be somehow appropriate. > They'd still complain. Do you think MS would let someone call a windowing > system or OS swodniW? That does have a nifty ring to it, doesn't it? :) > Something like blockdrop is probably a better idea. > Later...... Hmm. I wonder if they would get upset of "Doors" by "MacroSoft". =) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- A. Karl Heller Senior Systems Engineer CDnow Inc. http://cdnow.com From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 16:44:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA08299 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA08282 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA26708; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:43:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Snob Art Genre To: Terry Lambert cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... In-Reply-To: <199709111829.LAA25004@usr07.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Terry Lambert wrote: > That was >sniff< a *beautiful* definition, David... Yes, I think I'll xxerox it and hand it out. Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 17:11:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA10779 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA10768 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA00734; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:07:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Snob Art Genre To: "P. van Leeuwen" cc: "'Mike Nowlin'" , "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: unknown class? In-Reply-To: <01BCBEDE.08A3A210@pc-pvl.nanoteq.co.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, P. van Leeuwen wrote: > You need to copy the file /usr/src/etc/login.conf to /etc. > > This is because the version of sysinstall that you are using forgets > to do this :) No, this is because files kept in /etc are upgraded by hand to prevent clobbering of system configuration files. > P. van Leeuwen > pvl@nanoteq.com > http://www.nanoteq.co.za Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 18:47:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA18046 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA18015; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA13627; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 02:28:28 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709120128.CAA13627@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Dave Hummel cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: help!: make world fail on stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:04:16 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 02:28:28 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > After many successful 'make worlds', I finally had a blow up. Source was > cvsup'd last night 9-11-97. It happened just before I left the house so I > apologize if my information is incomplete. It seems to me that the ppp > code changed in between Sunday 9-7-97, but I could be wrong. > > Basically, it looks like this: > > install -c -s -o root -g network -m 4550 ppp /usr/sbin > install: unknown group network > **** Error code 67 > Stop > **** Error code 1 > **** Errot code 1 > > Please advise how to rectify this. > Merge /usr/src/etc/group into /etc/group. This has been the topic of conversation for as long as I can remember on freebsd-stable (but then, I've only subscribed to stable for a few days now). -- Brian , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 18:48:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA18277 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA18268; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA13673; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 02:34:27 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709120134.CAA13673@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Terry Lambert cc: heller@cdnow.com, dg@root.com, ache@nagual.pp.ru, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:43:57 -0000." <199709111843.LAA25674@usr07.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 02:34:27 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I guess I better not install any "Windows" in my house then. > > > > *grin* > > That's not a problem, so long as your house doesn't resemble Bills... Besides, I'll bet they're not broken anyway - they couldn't be considered similar. > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. -- Brian , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 18:48:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA18292 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from awfulhak.demon.co.uk (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA18275; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.demon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA13656; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 02:32:54 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709120132.CAA13656@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Terry Lambert cc: ache@nagual.pp.ru (=?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?=), dg@root.com, chad@dcfinc.com, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:42:56 -0000." <199709111842.LAA25652@usr07.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 02:32:54 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > PS: I'm partial to xtris. "tetris-like-game" is too much to type. 8-). Agreed, but I prefer Sir-Tet ;-P > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. -- Brian , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 19:13:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA20262 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from foo.primenet.com (ip200.sjc.primenet.com [206.165.96.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA20255 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bkogawa@localhost) by foo.primenet.com (8.8.6/8.6.12) id TAA04528; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709120219.TAA04528@foo.primenet.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... Newsgroups: localhost.freebsd.stable References: <> <199709111951.MAA16815@athena.tera.com> From: "Bryan K. Ogawa" X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In localhost.freebsd.stable you write: >According to Terry Lambert: >> > [[ ... ]] >> >> ...So it's a one line change forever after. >> >> PS: I'm partial to xtris. "tetris-like-game" is too much to type. 8-). >> >> > How about ``xtrix''? I'm partial to X's... :-) > gary kline ObRecursiveDefinition tint = tint is not trademarked -- bryan k ogawa http://www.primenet.com/~bkogawa/ From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 19:51:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA23061 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA23041; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt2-63.HiWAAY.net [208.147.148.63]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA13115; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:51:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA12270; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:25:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199709120225.VAA12270@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: dkelly@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... In-reply-to: Message from Doug Russell of "Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:03:03 MDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:25:52 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Doug Russel writes: > > On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, A. Karl Heller wrote: > > > > Well, if you understood what a trademark was, then you wouldn't be saying > > > that. That "xtetris" implies or indicates the qualities of the "tetris" game > > > by using the word in the name is plenty enough for it to be a violation of > > > the trademark. > > > > I guess I better not install any "Windows" in my house then. > > > > *grin* > > :) > > I trademark only applies to the particular good(s) and/or service(s) > registered. If I pop into my handy-dandy trademark database, (the US in > this example) there are 234 hits on "windows". Here's the register page > for the one we are probably interested in follows. Note the section > "GOODS/SERVICES". > > --- CUT --- > > MARK : MICROSOFT WINDOWS > > STATUS TEXT : REGISTERED [snip] Notice its "Microsoft Windows" that is trademarked. A judge ruled they couldn't tradmark simply "Windows". Trademark law isn't like copyright or patent law. A big bully can wrestle your trademark away from you simply by applying it to a larger audience while you were not watching. Registered or not, a trademark is not automatically national or international. You actually have to use it and defend it to keep it. Rename the port with two xx's in it and hear from Exxon's lawyers. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 22:16:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA03715 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (cisco-ts15-line11.uoregon.edu [128.223.150.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA03675; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA16721; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:15:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:15:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White X-Sender: dwhite@localhost Reply-To: Doug White To: Dave Hummel cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: help!: make world fail on stable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Dave Hummel wrote: > > After many successful 'make worlds', I finally had a blow up. Source was > cvsup'd last night 9-11-97. It happened just before I left the house so I > apologize if my information is incomplete. It seems to me that the ppp > code changed in between Sunday 9-7-97, but I could be wrong. > > Basically, it looks like this: > > install -c -s -o root -g network -m 4550 ppp /usr/sbin > install: unknown group network > **** Error code 67 > Stop > **** Error code 1 > **** Errot code 1 > > Please advise how to rectify this. Edit /etc/group and create a group called `network'. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major Spam routed to /dev/null by Procmail | Death to Cyberpromo From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Sep 11 22:50:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA05957 for stable-outgoing; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgate.greenhills.co.uk (mailgate.greenhills.co.uk [195.11.194.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA05937 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 22:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8745 invoked by uid 982); 12 Sep 1997 05:47:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19970912064740.36419@webcrawler.com> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 06:47:40 +0100 From: Martijn Koster To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: [mak@webcrawler.com: malloc.c problems in 2.2 stable?] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: Forwarded message from Martijn Koster X-Mailer: Mutt 0.76 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, [got no replies on freebsd-questions, hoping for more luck here] [apologies if this has come up before] I've justed finished tracking down swap filling on one of my 2.2-stable production machines to procmail (delivering an only 8M message), then to realloc. A search of the mailing lists turned up John Fieber 's suggestions in June of moving to 3.0-current malloc.c, and that indeed fixed things. Cool! Anyway, what suprises me is that I cvsup with tag=RELENG_2_2, yet saw this fairly major (to me) problem. Is this fix not in 2.2-stable for a reason? Is it there, but am I tracking it wrong? Should I use some another malloc.c? Is just changing malloc.c safe? The malloc.c I had was: * $Id: malloc.c,v 1.18.2.3 1997/07/24 08:25:25 phk Exp $ the one I use now is: * $Id: malloc.c,v 1.32 1997/08/31 05:59:39 phk Exp $ and: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable/src/lib/libc/stdlib/malloc.c is a different one alltogether. Huh? Any suggestions appreciated. -- Martijn Koster, m.koster@pobox.com From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Sep 12 00:47:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA13912 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.u-net.net (mail.u-net.net [194.119.128.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA13897; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bittern [194.119.190.214] by mail.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 1.62 #6) id 0x9QKs-00076O-00; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:40:15 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19970912083440.0078ab34@aire.open.ac.uk> X-Sender: mikez@aire.open.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:34:40 +0100 To: Dave Hummel , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Mike Zanker Subject: Re: help!: make world fail on stable Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:04 11/09/97 -0400, Dave Hummel wrote: >install -c -s -o root -g network -m 4550 ppp /usr/sbin >install: unknown group network As a newbie stable-tracker myself, if I've learned anything over the past few days it's to make sure that any changes to /etc/group (and /etc/* in general) are made *before* I do a "make world" :) All you need to do is add the network group (69) to /etc/group. Regards, Mike -- Mike Zanker | Email: A.M.Zanker@open.ac.uk ACS Network Services Group | Tel : +44 1908 652726 The Open University | Fax : +44 1908 652193 Milton Keynes, UK | PGP public key available From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Sep 12 00:51:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA14326 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@mail.ftf.dk [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA14266; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15105; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:22:15 +0200 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA08576; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:58:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id JAA04526; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:50:36 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970912095036.40322@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:50:36 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: Terry Lambert Cc: ????????????? , dg@root.com, chad@dcfinc.com, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... References: <199709111842.LAA25652@usr07.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: Main Body X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199709111842.LAA25652@usr07.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Thu, Sep 11, 1997 at 06:42:56PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert writes: > > PS: I'm partial to xtris. "tetris-like-game" is too much to type. 8-). Pentris (5 shapes) or Quadris (4 blocks each). -- -- Phil -[ Philippe Regnauld / Systems Administrator / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk ]- -[ Location.: +55.4N +11.3E PGP Key: finger regnauld@hotel.prosa.dk ]- From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Sep 12 05:04:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA28154 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:04:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcom1.netcom.com (mvh@netcom3.netcom.com [192.100.81.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA28090; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mvh@localhost) by netcom1.netcom.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA00234; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199709121203.FAA00234@netcom1.netcom.com> From: "Michael V. Harding" To: regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk CC: tlambert@primenet.com, ache@nagual.pp.ru, dg@root.com, chad@dcfinc.com, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19970912095036.40322@deepo.prosa.dk> (message from Philippe Regnauld on Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:50:36 +0200) Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 4tris. :) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:50:36 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld Cc: ????????????? , dg@root.com, chad@dcfinc.com, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199709111842.LAA25652@usr07.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: Main Body X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 2c95c015b1ce02152abffdccc181a8e8 Terry Lambert writes: > > PS: I'm partial to xtris. "tetris-like-game" is too much to type. 8-). Pentris (5 shapes) or Quadris (4 blocks each). -- -- Phil -[ Philippe Regnauld / Systems Administrator / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk ]- -[ Location.: +55.4N +11.3E PGP Key: finger regnauld@hotel.prosa.dk ]- From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Sep 12 05:18:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA28953 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de (rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de [141.31.112.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA28939; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 05:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from helbig@localhost) by rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA25518; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:16:25 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wolfgang Helbig Message-Id: <199709121216.OAA25518@rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de> Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... In-Reply-To: <199709120132.CAA13656@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> from Brian Somers at "Sep 12, 97 02:32:54 am" To: brian@awfulhak.org (Brian Somers) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:16:24 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, ache@nagual.pp.ru, dg@root.com, chad@dcfinc.com, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > PS: I'm partial to xtris. "tetris-like-game" is too much to type. 8-). > > Agreed, but I prefer Sir-Tet ;-P How about ``ANT'' -- ANT Not Tetris? Wolfgang > > > Terry Lambert > > terry@lambert.org > > --- > > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > > or previous employers. > > -- > Brian , > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... > > > From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Sep 12 07:13:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA05738 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trefoil.bogs.org (root@bogslab.ucdavis.edu [128.120.162.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA05728 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from myrtle.bogs.org (root@myrtle.bogs.org [198.137.203.39]) by trefoil.bogs.org (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA14654 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from myrtle.bogs.org (greg@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by myrtle.bogs.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA05204 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:12:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199709121412.HAA05204@myrtle.bogs.org> To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:50:36 +0200." <19970912095036.40322@deepo.prosa.dk> Reply-To: gkshenaut@ucdavis.edu Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:12:46 -0700 From: Greg Shenaut Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <19970912095036.40322@deepo.prosa.dk>, Philippe Regnauld cleopede: >Terry Lambert writes: >> >> PS: I'm partial to xtris. "tetris-like-game" is too much to type. 8-). > > Pentris (5 shapes) or Quadris (4 blocks each). I'm partial to "machine translations": "chuckle-head" (tete-ris: French) or "instant tea" (te tris: Spanish). -Greg From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Sep 12 08:56:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA12619 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from helmholtz.salk.edu (helmholtz.salk.edu [198.202.70.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA12609; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pauling.salk.edu (pauling [198.202.70.108]) by helmholtz.salk.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA06656; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:53:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Bartol To: Brian Somers cc: Terry Lambert , =?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= , dg@root.com, chad@dcfinc.com, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... In-Reply-To: <199709120132.CAA13656@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How about "sint" or "stint" which would stand for "Sir-Tet Is Not Tetris" Tom On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Brian Somers wrote: > > PS: I'm partial to xtris. "tetris-like-game" is too much to type. 8-). > > Agreed, but I prefer Sir-Tet ;-P > > > Terry Lambert > > terry@lambert.org > > --- > > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > > or previous employers. > > -- > Brian , > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... > > > From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Sep 12 10:11:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA18704 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA18557; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.6/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA03424; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:53:02 +0300 (EEST) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:53:01 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: Wolfgang Helbig cc: chad@dcfinc.com, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... In-Reply-To: <199709121216.OAA25518@rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [I snipped all the names I recognised as being on the lists from cc:s ...] On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Wolfgang Helbig wrote: > > > PS: I'm partial to xtris. "tetris-like-game" is too much to type. 8-). > > > > Agreed, but I prefer Sir-Tet ;-P > > How about ``ANT'' -- ANT Not Tetris? You mean AINT -- AINT Is Not Tetris ? Sander From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Sep 12 10:15:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA19290 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:15:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from husa.tuc.noao.edu (husa.tuc.noao.edu [140.252.3.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA19281 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ajhar@localhost) by husa.tuc.noao.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/EAA-1997Aug15) id KAA00930; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:15:20 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:15:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199709121715.KAA00930@husa.tuc.noao.edu> From: Edward Ajhar To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: unexpected behavior of memory limits with XF86 3.3.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The behavior of limits under XF86 3.3.1 is unexpected. The "limit"s are different under X than under a regular login session, and I do not know how to change them under X. I believe that this behavior is new to 3.3.1/FreeBSD-2.2-stable (beginning when 3.3.1 was introduced), but I am _not_ certain. Has anyone else seen this behavior? How do I get the behavior I expect from X? In particular, I need to increase the "datasize" limit. With a virtual terminal (or remote) login with csh: (before unlimit) (after unlimit) cputime unlimited cputime unlimited filesize unlimited filesize unlimited datasize 16384 kbytes datasize 262144 kbytes stacksize 8192 kbytes stacksize 65536 kbytes coredumpsize unlimited coredumpsize unlimited memoryuse 30720 kbytes memoryuse unlimited descriptors 64 descriptors 552 memorylocked 10240 kbytes memorylocked 124224 kbytes maxproc 64 maxproc 275 >From an xterm with csh: (before unlimit) (after unlimit) cputime unlimited cputime unlimited filesize unlimited filesize unlimited datasize 16384 kbytes datasize 32768 kbytes <--- stacksize 8192 kbytes stacksize 16384 kbytes <--- coredumpsize 0 kbytes coredumpsize 0 kbytes memoryuse 65536 kbytes memoryuse unlimited descriptors 552 descriptors 552 memorylocked 65536 kbytes memorylocked 124224 kbytes maxproc 256 maxproc 256 I am using the sample login.conf, where the default is default:\ :cputime=infinity:\ :datasize-cur=16M:\ :stacksize-cur=8M:\ :memorylocked-cur=10M:\ :memoryuse-cur=30M:\ :filesize=infinity:\ :coredumpsize=infinity:\ :maxproc-cur=64:\ :openfiles-cur=64:\ :priority=0:\ :requirehome@:\ :umask=022:\ :tc=auth-defaults: Thanks for any help. --Ed From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Sep 12 11:03:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA24129 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.2.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA24105; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.3/8.8.3a) id LAA27863; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:01:55 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199709121801.LAA27863@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: mount cdrom returns "input/output error" To: arvind@mailhost.uni-koblenz.de (Chandrabose ARAVINDAN) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:01:53 -0700 (MST) Cc: root@room101.sysc.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from Chandrabose ARAVINDAN at "Sep 11, 97 03:09:54 pm" Reply-to: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> The drive is detected on boot up too: >> >> /kernel: wdc1: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, intr, dma, iordis > > I don't think the system has detected the CDROM. Perhaps it misidentifies > the CDROM as a removable hard disk. So, as I suggested above, comment > those two lines and compile the kernel again. I think it is detecting the CD-ROM. Notice the "atapi" and "removable" keywords above. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com crl22@aol.com DCF, Inc. - 14523 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Sep 12 12:04:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA29731 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from myst.plaza.ds.adp.com (myst.plaza.ds.adp.com [139.126.16.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA29725 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mischief (mischief.plaza.ds.adp.com [139.126.12.15]) by myst.plaza.ds.adp.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA24615 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:02:44 -0700 Received: from stingvb.hoffman.ds.adp.com by mischief (Automatic Data Processing Dealer Services/1.0) id AA23860; Fri, 12 Sep 97 13:51:01 -0500 Message-Id: <9709121851.AA23860@mischief> From: "Sean Bitner" To: Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:59:17 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Unsuscribe freebsd-stable Automatic Data Processing Sean Bitner Dealer Services Division Support Specialist 1950 Hassell Road Automation Tools Group Hoffman Estates, IL 60195 bitners@hoffman.ds.adp.com Fax (847)397-7868 Voice (847)397-1700 x 5556 From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Sep 12 12:50:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA03337 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:50:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from micron.efn.org (d198-232.uoregon.edu [128.223.198.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA03291; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mini@localhost) by micron.efn.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA14723; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19970912124626.47170@micron.efn.org> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:46:26 -0700 From: Jonathan Mini To: Narvi Cc: Wolfgang Helbig , chad@dcfinc.com, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... Reply-To: Jonathan Mini References: <199709121216.OAA25518@rvc1.informatik.ba-stuttgart.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.76e In-Reply-To: ; from Narvi on Fri, Sep 12, 1997 at 07:53:01PM +0300 X-files: The Truth is Out There. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Narvi stands accused of saying : > > [I snipped all the names I recognised as being on the lists from cc:s ...] > > On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Wolfgang Helbig wrote: > > > > > PS: I'm partial to xtris. "tetris-like-game" is too much to type. 8-). > > > > > > Agreed, but I prefer Sir-Tet ;-P > > > > How about ``ANT'' -- ANT Not Tetris? > > You mean AINT -- AINT Is Not Tetris ? > > Sander > How's about GNT -- for GNU's Not Tetris.. -- Jonathan Mini (j_mini@efn.org) Ingenious Productions Software Development P.O. Box 5693 Eugene, Or 97405 From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Sep 12 13:42:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA07356 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ook.connect.ie (root@ook.connect.ie [194.106.128.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA07343; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rincewind (dec@rincewind.connect.ie [194.106.128.3]) by ook.connect.ie (8.8.6/.44/NR) with SMTP id VAA19200; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:44:52 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709122044.VAA19200@ook.connect.ie> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Declan Kelly" Organization: Connect-Ireland Internet To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:43:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... Reply-to: dec@connect.ie CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > How about ``ANT'' -- ANT Not Tetris? ANT is the name of a TCP/IP suite for the Acorn Archimedes (which was the world's first affordable RISC box, and is still popular in schools this side of the pond), but they probably wouldn't mind... > You mean AINT -- AINT Is Not Tetris ? Even better! Then you won't get GNU suing you for using the 3-letter "not" phrase ;-) Has anyone ported Hextris? I've seen it on Macintosh and Amiga: ftp://ftp.aminet.org/pub/aminet/game/think/AHextris.lha "Hextris like game, KickStart 2.04 only." 33K archive, so there's probably no source... let's have a look: ------------ -------- -------- ------ -------- AHextris.info 632 279 44.1% 92-04-09 AHextris 31072 13877 44.7% 92-04-09 AHextris.info 1581 793 50.2% 92-04-06 AHextris.doc.info 733 640 87.3% 92-04-06 InstallLib 52 52 100.0% 92-01-26 InstallLib.info 639 295 46.2% 92-04-06 install.script 957 461 48.2% 92-03-14 reqtools.library 21192 13946 65.8% 92-03-14 AHextris.doc 8325 3385 40.7% 92-04-11 ------------ -------- -------- ------ -------- 9 files 65183 33728 51.7% 97-09-12 Ah well.... From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Sep 12 14:12:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA09413 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.2.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA09408; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.3/8.8.3a) id OAA28216; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:06:05 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199709122106.OAA28216@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... To: brian@awfulhak.org (Brian Somers) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:06:04 -0700 (MST) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, ache@nagual.pp.ru, dg@root.com, chad@dcfinc.com, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199709120132.CAA13656@awfulhak.demon.co.uk> from Brian Somers at "Sep 12, 97 02:32:54 am" Reply-to: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Of all the things to generate a flurry of mail activity. You guys are getting goofy. Or should that be "yfoog", in case Eisner is listening? >> PS: I'm partial to xtris. "tetris-like-game" is too much to type. 8-). > Agreed, but I prefer Sir-Tet ;-P Well, if anyone is keeping score, "Sir-Tet" is my vote. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com crl22@aol.com DCF, Inc. - 14523 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Sep 12 14:25:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA10464 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usr08.primenet.com (tlambert@usr08.primenet.com [206.165.6.208]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA10454; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA26289; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:24:53 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199709122124.OAA26289@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... To: chad@dcfinc.com Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:24:51 +0000 (GMT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199709122106.OAA28216@freebie.dcfinc.com> from "Chad R. Larson" at Sep 12, 97 02:06:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ ... ] It would be nice if someone would bell the cat first, before everyone discusses what coller to paint it. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Sep 12 15:44:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA15214 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA15206; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA15345; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:44:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id RAA05798; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:43:55 -0500 Message-ID: <19970912174354.49145@right.PCS> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:43:54 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: Terry Lambert Cc: chad@dcfinc.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... References: <199709122106.OAA28216@freebie.dcfinc.com> <199709122124.OAA26289@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 In-Reply-To: <199709122124.OAA26289@usr08.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Sep 09, 1997 at 09:24:51PM +0000 Followup-To: chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sep 09, 1997 at 09:24:51PM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > [ ... ] > > It would be nice if someone would bell the cat first, before everyone > discusses what coller to paint it. Ah, but you can't bell the cat without a collar first, can you? Follow-ups set appropriately. -- Jonathan From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Sep 12 15:47:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA15481 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from husa.tuc.noao.edu (husa.tuc.noao.edu [140.252.3.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA15470 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:47:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ajhar@localhost) by husa.tuc.noao.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/EAA-1997Aug15) id PAA00293; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:47:46 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:47:46 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199709122247.PAA00293@husa.tuc.noao.edu> From: Edward Ajhar To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: mfs does not mount properly Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk When this change had occurred some time in August (I think), I thought it was a new "feature" that I had to read about, but now I realize that it is a bug after reading the man pages. Memory file system when mounted automatically from /etc/fstab does not yield the size filesystem requested. It appears that ~32MB is what you get regardless of what you want, but I have not tried this for sizes smaller than 32MB. (Previously, the size was about the size of the partition [I think].) Is this a bug, or have I missed something? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ FreeBSD 2.2-STABLE #0: Fri Sep 12 11:46:07 MST 1997 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ from /etc/fstab.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ /dev/sd0s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/sd1s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/sd0a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/sd0s1f /usr ufs rw 1 2 /dev/sd0s1b /tmp mfs rw,-s=131072 0 0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ yields this from df.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on mfs:28 31404 4 28888 0% /tmp ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It DOES work to mount a filesystem manually with mount -t mfs -o -s=131072 /dev/sd1s1b /mnt This yields Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on mfs:288 63567 1 58481 0% /mnt --Ed From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Sep 12 20:07:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA29004 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from set.spradley.dyn.ml.org (fcn104-32.tmi.net [207.170.104.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA28996 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from set.spradley.dyn.ml.org (tsprad@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by set.spradley.dyn.ml.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14604; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:18:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199709130318.WAA14604@set.spradley.dyn.ml.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Edward Ajhar cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mfs does not mount properly In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:47:46 PDT." <199709122247.PAA00293@husa.tuc.noao.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:18:31 -0500 From: Ted Spradley Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just another data point: I have a system running the May 22, 1997 3.0-Snapshot, and it has this behavior. I have a 512 Mbyte swap partition that I use for a memory file system, with this in my fstab: # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/wd0s1b /tmp mfs rw 0 0 It shows in df(1) like this: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on mfs:22 31039 8 28548 0% /tmp swapinfo(8) says: Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type /dev/wd0s1b 512000 54728 457208 11% Interleaved I never tried mounting it from a command. > ... Memory file system when > mounted automatically from /etc/fstab does not yield the size > filesystem requested. It appears that ~32MB is what you get > regardless of what you want, but I have not tried this for sizes > smaller than 32MB. (Previously, the size was about the size of the > partition [I think].) Is this a bug, or have I missed something? From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Sep 12 20:56:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA00926 for stable-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bob.tri-lakes.net ([207.3.81.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA00878 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.3.81.149] by bob.tri-lakes.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id oa272130 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:55:44 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199709111842.LAA25652@usr07.primenet.com> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:38:13 -0000 (GMT) From: Chris Dillon To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: HEADS UP: *tetris* files removed from cvs repository... Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG, peter@spinner.dialix.com.au, chad@dcfinc.com, dg@root.com, (=?KOI8-R?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?=) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 11-Sep-97 Terry Lambert wrote: >PS: I'm partial to xtris. "tetris-like-game" is too much to type. 8-). I assume there are two versions (never played them) including a text version? How about 'textris'? ;-) --- Chris Dillon --- cdillon@tri-lakes.net --- Powered by FreeBSD, the best free OS on the planet ---- (http://www.freebsd.org)