From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 22 12:28:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14262 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:28:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14247 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:28:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from xroot@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07455 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810221929.MAA07455@implode.root.com> To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Unix vs. NT From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:29:38 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is lengthy, but interesting, and it mentions FreeBSD many times... http://kirch.net/unix-nt/ -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 22 15:21:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11591 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:21:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA11586 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:21:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA28823; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:20:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19981022161928.06751be0@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:20:25 -0600 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Where's the 3.0 press release? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG An article at http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,27853,00.html trumpets the news that a new Linux kernel is out. But why aren't news outlets covering the release of FreeBSD 3.0? Were press releases sent? --Brett Glass To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 22 16:11:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19163 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from isinet.com (mail.isinet.com [199.4.155.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19156 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:11:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aturoff@isinet.com) Received: by pandora.isinet.com id <113879>; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:03:51 -0400 Message-Id: <98Oct22.190351edt.113879@pandora.isinet.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:10:55 -0400 From: Adam Turoff Reply-To: aturoff@isinet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's the 3.0 press release? References: <4.1.19981022161928.06751be0@mail.lariat.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brett Glass wrote: > > An article at > > http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,27853,00.html > > trumpets the news that a new Linux kernel is out. But why > aren't news outlets covering the release of FreeBSD 3.0? > Were press releases sent? More than that, why isn't it on the front page of www.freebsd.org? I can see the argument for not updating this page every time there's a news blip, but 3.0-RELEASE is certainly more than a news blip. -- Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 22 16:42:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23349 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:42:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23339 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:42:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA210348; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:42:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: drosih@pop1.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981022161928.06751be0@mail.lariat.org> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:46:17 -0400 To: Brett Glass , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: Where's the 3.0 press release? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 4:20 PM -0600 10/22/98, Brett Glass wrote: > An article at > > http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,27853,00.html > > trumpets the news that a new Linux kernel is out. But why > aren't news outlets covering the release of FreeBSD 3.0? > Were press releases sent? I don't think the CD-ROM's are pressed yet, which is to say, people can't "pick up a copy at their favorite store". It would be good to have a press release once people can order it from Walnut Creek. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 22 16:58:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25022 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:58:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25008 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:58:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA25725; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:27:50 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA00895; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:27:49 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981023092749.O28824@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:27:49 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Garance A Drosihn , Brett Glass , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's the 3.0 press release? References: <4.1.19981022161928.06751be0@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Garance A Drosihn on Thu, Oct 22, 1998 at 07:46:17PM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 22 October 1998 at 19:46:17 -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 4:20 PM -0600 10/22/98, Brett Glass wrote: >> An article at >> >> http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,27853,00.html >> >> trumpets the news that a new Linux kernel is out. But why >> aren't news outlets covering the release of FreeBSD 3.0? >> Were press releases sent? > > I don't think the CD-ROM's are pressed yet, which is to say, > people can't "pick up a copy at their favorite store". It > would be good to have a press release once people can order > it from Walnut Creek. It would be nice if somebody would pipe up and say "yes, we're preparing it". Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 22 17:01:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25528 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:01:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA25523 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:01:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id SAA29690; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:01:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19981022175807.066828a0@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:01:16 -0600 To: Garance A Drosihn , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Where's the 3.0 press release? In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.19981022161928.06751be0@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Press releases need to be sent out in advance of availability of a product, since they can easily take a week to two weeks to translate into press coverage. As any experienced PR person knows, a press release saying "this has already shipped" takes a back seat to announcements that come ahead of the ship date. Why? Because if you wait, reporters say, "It's already shipped. It's old news." Psychologically, they feel more important and powerful if they are able to give ADVANCE notice of events. FYI. --Brett At 07:46 PM 10/22/98 -0400, Garance A Drosihn wrote: >I don't think the CD-ROM's are pressed yet, which is to say, >people can't "pick up a copy at their favorite store". It >would be good to have a press release once people can order >it from Walnut Creek. > >--- >Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu >Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu >Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 22 17:28:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28233 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:28:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27956 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 17:25:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA196162 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:25:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: drosih@pop1.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981022175807.066828a0@mail.lariat.org> References: <4.1.19981022161928.06751be0@mail.lariat.org> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:29:26 -0400 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: Where's the 3.0 press release? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 6:01 PM -0600 10/22/98, Brett Glass wrote: > Press releases need to be sent out in advance of availability of > a product, since they can easily take a week to two weeks to > translate into press coverage. As any experienced PR person > knows, a press release saying "this has already shipped" takes > a back seat to announcements that come ahead of the ship date. Oh, okay, that makes sense. Brett wrote in reply to Garance A Drosihn, who said: >> I don't think the CD-ROM's are pressed yet, which is to say, >> people can't "pick up a copy at their favorite store". It >> would be good to have a press release once people can order >> it from Walnut Creek. This paragraph didn't come out quite the way I meant it to. I *meant* to say something more gung-ho in agreement, such as: I *do* think that it's very important to get a press release out, and as soon as appropriate. (and I'll leave the question of what "appropriate" is to people who know PR more than I do... :-) --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 22 22:00:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20481 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:00:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA20471 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:00:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from vortex (vortex [129.127.36.46]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id OAA13309 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:30:09 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost by vortex (5.65v3.2/1.1.10.5/28Oct97-0158PM) id AA22600; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:30:09 +0930 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:30:06 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Promoting 3.0 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm not subscribed to the list, but did a search of the mailing lists archives about this and didnt turn up much. When Redhat shipped their most recent version of linux, it was all over the various online news services - even made it into some of the mainstream press. Theres a lot of interest out there in alternative operating systems at the moment, and so I think there's a good chance of getting some stuff in print now that 3.0 is released and being mastered. For my curiosity are there any plans afoot to get a blizzard of press-releases out to the right people when the CDs start to ship? Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Oct 22 22:13:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21860 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:13:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21855 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:13:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id BAA19835; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:13:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Kris Kennaway cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Promoting 3.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well im working on a PR right now for 3.0. I sent brett glass a copy and he gave me some feedback for it so im fixing it then ill send it off again and back and forth till he thinks its fit for print. Then well see what the best course of action is. We really need a list of contacts at the various on line pubs that take PR's. Thats what I think we really need. Chris -- "You both seem to be ignoring the fact that the networking market is driven by so-called 'IT professionals' these days, most of whom can't tell the difference between an ARP and a carp." -Wes Peters ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.7 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 23 01:39:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07741 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:39:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from internationalschool.co.uk (intschool.easynet.co.uk [194.72.37.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07736 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:39:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@internationalschool.co.uk) Received: from internationalschool.co.uk (bamboo [10.0.0.70]) by internationalschool.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16834; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:37:39 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3630404B.3D3FA24E@internationalschool.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:37:31 +0100 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: http://ints.ml.org/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Open Systems Networking CC: Kris Kennaway , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Promoting 3.0 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Open Systems Networking wrote: > > Well im working on a PR right now for 3.0. > I sent brett glass a copy and he gave me some feedback for it so im fixing > it then ill send it off again and back and forth till he thinks its fit > for print. Then well see what the best course of action is. Posting a copy here for comments would be a nice idea imho. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 23 01:40:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07914 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:40:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt053nb4.san.rr.com (dt053nb4.san.rr.com [204.210.34.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07906 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:40:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt053nb4.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA10113; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:40:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@gorean.org) Message-ID: <363040E9.42459888@gorean.org> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 01:40:09 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE-1015 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Glass CC: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's the 3.0 press release? References: <4.1.19981022161928.06751be0@mail.lariat.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brett Glass wrote: > > why > aren't news outlets covering the release of FreeBSD 3.0? > Were press releases sent? Do we *really* want to advertise 3.0 widely? The release is only a few days old and I already count 5 plaintive cries for help from people who were misled by the -Release tag and thought that 3.0 was the latest and greatest. Do we really want to encourage massive new audiences to upgrade to a system that's fraught with such peril? Personally I think it would give people a very negative view of freebsd. "But we have warnings that it's experimental.... yadda yadda." We all know that almost no one reads the release docs, and we've already seen a small part of the fallout. I think it could only get worse by drawing more attention to it. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 23 02:13:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA10261 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 02:13:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA10256 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 02:13:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id FAA12872; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 05:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 05:12:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Studded cc: Brett Glass , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's the 3.0 press release? In-Reply-To: <363040E9.42459888@gorean.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Studded wrote: > "But we have warnings that it's experimental.... yadda yadda." We all > know that almost no one reads the release docs, and we've already seen a > small part of the fallout. I think it could only get worse by drawing > more attention to it. I agree it's not something I think we should be touting as stable incarnate. But do we really want to let this not get a PR. This is 3.0. A MAJOR release. And while I grant you it may not be the most stable or debugged version, this is a major milestone for the project. A major release doesnt happen every day. And I agree that putting in "... while slated at primarily developers and ISP's that have knowledgable staff..." is not going to really persaude anyone to wait for 3.1 or 2.2.8, when they read the PR. Just my opinion. If it's an absolute trashy release thats going to cause the support questions in usenet and IRC to flame up 1000% then it might not be such a hot idea. But I do think there is some merrit in this release and it deserves a little press. But the loudest voices here will prevail, so now is the time for everyone to speak up. What does everyone think? Chris -- "You both seem to be ignoring the fact that the networking market is driven by so-called 'IT professionals' these days, most of whom can't tell the difference between an ARP and a carp." -Wes Peters ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.7 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 23 03:25:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA14155 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 03:25:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA14149 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 03:25:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA00458; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 03:24:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Greg Lehey cc: Garance A Drosihn , Brett Glass , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's the 3.0 press release? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:27:49 +0930." <19981023092749.O28824@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 03:24:56 -0700 Message-ID: <454.909138296@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It would be nice if somebody would pipe up and say "yes, we're > preparing it". "No, we're not preparing it." Why not? Because we don't have anyone currently employed to both write and handle the logistics of sending out press releases. We had someone doing this for awhile, but she sucked at it and was fired. The person who eventually replaced her has not yet come up to speed enough to even know where to send such press releases, much less be able to write convincing ones for FreeBSD. I myself suck at writing press releases and know better than to try, not that I really have the press contacts to get the right exposure for them anyway. In short: There will be press releases at some point, but not right now. I also have neither the time nor inclination to handshake with someone else through the process since the last 5 people to volunteer for this have only ended up wasting a lot of my time and producing absolutely nothing. It seems that press releases are something which are a lot more easy to talk about than actually do. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 23 05:51:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA24476 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 05:51:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cs1.cityscope.net (cs1.cityscope.net [206.222.183.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA24471 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 05:51:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ingrid@cityscope.net) Received: from cityscope.net (194.cityscope.net [209.16.49.194]) by cs1.cityscope.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA16683 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:04:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <36307BC8.4105AB94@cityscope.net> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:51:20 -0500 From: Ingrid Kast Fuller Reply-To: ingrid@cityscope.net Organization: CityScope Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Promoting 3.0 with Banner Ad! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Make a FreeBSD 3.0 Banner ad and I'll put it on my web pages! Have it go to the freebsd.org page with more info about 3.0. Also since you have over 250 ISP and various other businesses using FreeBSD listed on the freebsd.org pages, my suggestion is to send them a note where to download the banner if they feel like advertising it! -- *********************************************************** Ingrid Kast Fuller (ingrid@cityscope.net) CityScope Net (http://www.cityscope.net) 1(713)477-6161 109 West Southmore, Pasadena, TX 77502-1001 *********************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 23 07:31:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03747 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:31:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from internationalschool.co.uk (intschool.easynet.co.uk [194.72.37.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03736 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:30:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuart@internationalschool.co.uk) Received: from internationalschool.co.uk (bamboo [10.0.0.70]) by internationalschool.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29059; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:22:33 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <36309121.3F8F1E40@internationalschool.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 15:22:25 +0100 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: http://ints.ml.org/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ingrid@cityscope.net CC: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Promoting 3.0 with Banner Ad! References: <36307BC8.4105AB94@cityscope.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ingrid Kast Fuller wrote: > > Make a FreeBSD 3.0 Banner ad and I'll put it on my web pages! Have it > go to the freebsd.org page with more info about 3.0. Also since you > have over 250 ISP and various other businesses using FreeBSD listed on > the freebsd.org pages, my suggestion is to send them a note where to > download the banner if they feel like advertising it! It would be good if the banner itself could be kept on www.freebsd.org and have people point at it so that any new version would require changes at a minimum of locations. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 23 08:07:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07644 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:07:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA07636 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 08:07:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: (from brett@localhost) by lariat.lariat.org (8.8.8/8.8.6) id JAA05562; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:06:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19981023090158.045edb20@mail.lariat.org> X-Sender: brett@mail.lariat.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 09:03:12 -0600 To: Open Systems Networking , Studded From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Where's the 3.0 press release? Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <363040E9.42459888@gorean.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You might note that every major news outlet is touting the release of the next Linux kernel, which is also not yet ripe and battle-tested. (The articles say this.) Failing to follow suit will hurt. --Brett At 05:12 AM 10/23/98 -0400, Open Systems Networking wrote: >On Fri, 23 Oct 1998, Studded wrote: > >> "But we have warnings that it's experimental.... yadda yadda." We all >> know that almost no one reads the release docs, and we've already seen a >> small part of the fallout. I think it could only get worse by drawing >> more attention to it. > >I agree it's not something I think we should be touting as stable >incarnate. But do we really want to let this not get a PR. >This is 3.0. A MAJOR release. And while I grant you it may not be the most >stable or debugged version, this is a major milestone for the project. > >A major release doesnt happen every day. And I agree that putting in >"... while slated at primarily developers and ISP's that have knowledgable >staff..." is not going to really persaude anyone to wait for 3.1 or 2.2.8, >when they read the PR. Just my opinion. If it's an absolute trashy release >thats going to cause the support questions in usenet and IRC to flame up >1000% then it might not be such a hot idea. But I do think there is some >merrit in this release and it deserves a little press. > >But the loudest voices here will prevail, so now is the time for everyone >to speak up. What does everyone think? > >Chris > >-- >"You both seem to be ignoring the fact that the networking market is >driven by so-called 'IT professionals' these days, most of whom can't >tell the difference between an ARP and a carp." -Wes Peters > >===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. > FreeBSD 2.2.7 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 >-----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 > FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net > http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security >===================================| http://open-systems.net > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Oct 23 13:58:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09517 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:58:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay02.netaddress.usa.net (relay02.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA09512 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 13:58:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gekk0@usa.net) Received: (qmail 236 invoked from network); 23 Oct 1998 20:58:26 -0000 Received: from www0h.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.37) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 23 Oct 1998 20:58:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 23976 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Oct 1998 20:58:25 -0000 Message-ID: <19981023205825.23975.qmail@www0h.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 199.190.198.20 by www.netaddress.com via web-mailer(3.1) on Fri Oct 23 20:58:25 GMT 1998 Date: 23 Oct 98 13:58:25 PDT From: gekk0 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Re: Promoting 3.0] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG posting a copy here would probably cause a tsunami of suggestions...which could delay the release... owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG wrote: Open Systems Networking wrote: > > Well im working on a PR right now for 3.0. > I sent brett glass a copy and he gave me some feedback for it so im fixing > it then ill send it off again and back and forth till he thinks its fit > for print. Then well see what the best course of action is. Posting a copy here for comments would be a nice idea imho. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Oct 24 21:04:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03694 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 21:04:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost1.u.washington.edu (mailhost1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03689 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 21:04:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmorrisn@u.washington.edu) Received: from u.washington.edu (D-128-95-141-86.dhcp.washington.edu [128.95.141.86]) by mailhost1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id VAA19817; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 21:03:43 -0700 Message-ID: <3632A3DD.E2CE286D@u.washington.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 21:06:53 -0700 From: Don Morrison X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Glass CC: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where's the 3.0 press release? References: <363040E9.42459888@gorean.org> <4.1.19981023090158.045edb20@mail.lariat.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bandwagon argument. You can throw anything into a pr machine if and when you want to. Brett Glass wrote: > > You might note that every major news outlet is touting the release of > the next Linux kernel, which is also not yet ripe and battle-tested. > (The articles say this.) Failing to follow suit will hurt. > > --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message