From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 25 07:26:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA12559 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:26:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paert.tse-online.de (paert.tse-online.de [194.97.69.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA12554 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:26:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ab@paert.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 23098 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Jan 1998 14:29:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19980125152920.37814@paert.tse-online.de> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 15:29:20 +0100 From: Andreas Braukmann To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Applixware 4.3.7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 Organization: TSE TeleService GmbH Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I bought the international release of 'Applixware 4.3.7 for Linux' just a few hours ago. Although I didn't know if it would work under FreeBSD-current, I couldn't resist buying it because of the very special price (119,00DM / ca. $66) from SUSE (famous linux-supplier). The installation was a breeze - just a few 'rpm2cpio [...] | cpio -iduv' commands. I was quite astonished, that I even didn't have to 'brand' the linux-elf binaries? The performance seems to be reasonable - should be on a dual PPro system :), but StarOffice is the best counter-example. Regards, Andreas -- /// TSE TeleService GmbH | Gsf: Arne Reuter | /// Hovestrasse 14 | Andreas Braukmann | We do it with /// D-48351 Everswinkel | HRB: 1430, AG WAF | FreeBSD/SMP /// ------------------------------------------------------------------- /// PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key /// Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 26 11:58:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16270 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:58:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16189 for chat; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:58:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199801261958.LAA16189@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: excuse to mail To: chat Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:58:40 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org excuse: only 89 people subscribed to chat as oppsosed to 11,000 subscribed to announce and 450 subscribed to scsi. we arent a very chatty group are we? real reason: i need to test a chnage in mail handling on a larger group of people than test provides. ;) jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 27 00:47:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA12393 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:47:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gate2.consol.de (gate2.consol.de [194.162.127.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA12381; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:47:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwe@consol.de) Received: (from root@localhost) by gate2.consol.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA25039; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:47:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mwe@consol.de) Received: from gauss.int.consol.de(10.0.1.2) by gate2.consol.de via smap (V2.0) id xma025034; Tue, 27 Jan 98 09:46:29 +0100 Received: from fourier.int.consol.de (mwe@fourier.int.consol.de [10.0.1.17]) by gauss.int.consol.de (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA03628; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 03:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mwe@localhost) by fourier.int.consol.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA12932; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:46:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mwe) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:46:23 +0100 (CET) From: Michael Elbel Message-Id: <199801270846.JAA12932@fourier.int.consol.de> To: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: excuse to mail Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.chat References: <199801261958.LAA16189@hub.freebsd.org> Reply-To: me@FreeBSD.ORG X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #123 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In lists.freebsd.chat you write: >excuse: > only 89 people subscribed to chat > as oppsosed to 11,000 subscribed to announce > and 450 subscribed to scsi. > we arent a very chatty group are we? Maybe this is due to the chat list having thrown off users lately? I know, that my adress disappeared from the chat list at least twice during the last week, although all the other lists that get sent to the very same adress kept me on. While we are at it, what happened to ctm-ports-cur? The list seems to have disappeared completely. Get me right, I don't want to devalue your incredible work as postmaster. Maybe some glitches after the hub crash? Michael -- \|/ -O- Michael Elbel, ConSol* GmbH, Muenchen, Germany - mwe@consol.de /|\ Fermentation fault (coors dumped) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 27 06:33:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24636 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 06:33:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA24629 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 06:33:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from giffunip@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19980127143327.15102.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [168.176.3.41] by send1b; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 06:33:27 PST Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 06:33:27 -0800 (PST) From: Pedro Giffuni Reply-To: pgiffuni@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co Subject: Webots for FreeBSD ? To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, If people are interested in Webots for FreeBSD (a robot simulator), the author says if he receives enough costumer requests he would accelerate a port (The commercial version is due next september): http://diwww.epfl.ch/lami/team/michel/webots/ so..robotics guys, this is your chance ! cheers, Pedro. == --- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve ! http://www.FreeBSD.org _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 27 06:42:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA25397 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 06:42:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA25389 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 06:42:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from giffunip@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19980127144226.19711.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [168.176.3.41] by send1b; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 06:42:26 PST Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 06:42:26 -0800 (PST) From: Pedro Giffuni Reply-To: pgiffuni@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co Subject: Compaq bought Digital :(. To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ain't life a bitch ? Now Digital will be distributing " ...the greatest concentration of enterprise Windows NT products and lifecycle services available in the market today". Not a happy day for civilization :(. == --- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve ! http://www.FreeBSD.org _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 27 06:55:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27763 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 06:55:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27757 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 06:55:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29233; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:58:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980127095839.14234@vmunix.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:58:39 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: pgiffuni@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compaq bought Digital :(. References: <19980127144226.19711.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980127144226.19711.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com>; from Pedro Giffuni on Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 06:42:26AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 06:42:26AM -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > Ain't life a bitch ? > Now Digital will be distributing " ...the greatest concentration of > enterprise Windows NT products and lifecycle services available in the > market today". > Not a happy day for civilization :(. Indeed. It would certainly appear that the Alpha will, unfortunately, never see the mass market.. I'm sure they'll milk as many sales of Alpha systems as they can out of customers until Merced "The Holy Chip" arrives - but after that all bets are off.. I hate it when the best technologies loose.. I'm also curious to see what will become of Digital UNIX, which has always been one of my favorite of the commercial Unix's. Compaq appears to be very anti-UNIX, and I really doubt they're going to want to continue to fund development on what they see as a dead-product.. Sigh. History will certainly show Robert Palmer as the man who tore apart Digital piece by piece, and sold it to the highest bidder.. Oh well, such is life I suppose. I was hoping it wouldn't happen, since they seemed to be recovering of late.... -Mark > == > --- > FreeBSD: The Power to Serve ! http://www.FreeBSD.org > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Win95/NT - 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -UGU From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 27 07:19:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02172 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:19:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from icicle.winternet.com (adm@icicle.winternet.com [198.174.169.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02164 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:19:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mestery@mail.winternet.com) Received: (from adm@localhost) by icicle.winternet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15694; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:18:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from tundra.winternet.com(198.174.169.11) by icicle.winternet.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014028; Tue, 27 Jan 98 09:11:04 -0600 Received: from localhost (mestery@localhost) by tundra.winternet.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA23634; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:11:03 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: tundra.winternet.com: mestery owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:11:03 -0600 (CST) From: Kyle Mestery To: Mark Mayo cc: pgiffuni@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compaq bought Digital :(. In-Reply-To: <19980127095839.14234@vmunix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Mark Mayo wrote: > I hate it when the best technologies loose.. I'm also curious to see > what will become of Digital UNIX, which has always been one of my > favorite of the commercial Unix's. Compaq appears to be very anti-UNIX, > and I really doubt they're going to want to continue to fund development > on what they see as a dead-product.. Sigh. > There was a press release earlier last week that said Digital is porting Digital UNIX to the Merced chip and the IA-64 architecture. But of course, this was before Compaq bought them. Strange, but last year it was HP-UX porting to IA-64, then SCO, Digital UNIX, and Solaris also. Seems Intel is pushing everyone around these days. Kyle Mestery StorageTek's Network Systems Group "Keep honking, I'm reloading." "Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math." "If we aren't supposed to eat animals, how come they're made of meat?" From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 27 09:38:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25493 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:38:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [198.53.145.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25449 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:38:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paulg@interlog.com) Received: from shell1.interlog.com (paulg@shell1.interlog.com [207.34.202.8]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.8.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA11099; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:37:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:36:45 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Griffith To: Kyle Mestery cc: Mark Mayo , pgiffuni@fps.biblos.unal.edu.co, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compaq bought Digital :(. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org NT for Merced (64bit, The Enterprise version :-)) will be late, this gives all the other Unix guys a chance to get their 64bit Operating Systems before out MS. According to MS, NT for Merced will be a complete rewrite. So far the only hold out is IBM. Paul Griffith - paulg@interlog.com On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Kyle Mestery wrote: > There was a press release earlier last week that said Digital is porting > Digital UNIX to the Merced chip and the IA-64 architecture. But of > course, this was before Compaq bought them. Strange, but last year it was > HP-UX porting to IA-64, then SCO, Digital UNIX, and Solaris also. Seems > Intel is pushing everyone around these days. > > Kyle Mestery > StorageTek's Network Systems Group > > "Keep honking, I'm reloading." > "Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math." > "If we aren't supposed to eat animals, how come they're made of meat?" > > From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 27 10:17:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03678 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:17:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from piggy.mdstud.chalmers.se (root@piggy.mdstud.chalmers.se [129.16.234.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03642 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:17:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from md6tommy@mdstud.chalmers.se) Received: from scooter.mdstud.chalmers.se (md6tommy@scooter.mdstud.chalmers.se [129.16.234.20]) by piggy.mdstud.chalmers.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27477 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:17:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (md6tommy@localhost) by scooter.mdstud.chalmers.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA07281 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:17:35 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: scooter.mdstud.chalmers.se: md6tommy owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:17:35 +0100 (MET) From: Tommy Hallgren To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Book Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I was in a bookstore today and saw a book called "Unix Unleashed", published by Sams. It comes with a CD(several in fact) with FreeBSD 2.2.5 and Redhat Linux on it. They had only good things to say about FreeBSD. I didn't check the Linux section. Maybe a nice all-round book for a newbie.. FYI. Tommy Hallgren(md6tommy@mdstud.chalmers.se) - the source of all good beers... Bill Gates wants to convert you to his single object model. This single object model is called OLE, COM, DCOM, COM+ and Active-X and is not compatible with itself. Go to http://www.freebsd.org and get real BSD Unix. Today! From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 27 14:09:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25473 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:09:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25108; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:09:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef@kithrup.com) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA11754; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:08:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:08:53 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199801272208.OAA11754@kithrup.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD-related article in Dr Dobb's Journal Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In the March, 1998 issue of Dr Dobb's Journal (#283), there's an article called, "Tracing BSD System Calls" (it's even mentioned on the cover), by this wanker named "Sean Eric Fagan"; it describes the design and implementation of an event-based process monitoring system in the FreeBSD kernel. (The original title of the article was "Event-based Process Monitoring in the FreeBSD Operating System, or, How to Develop a Trussing Relationship with Your Kernel.") I don't know when this will hit the stands; I just got two advance copies from a friend who works there. (I'd hope that the magazine would officially send me some, too, but that hasn't happened yet, if ever.) The article describes the earlier version of the kernel code and truss; the stuff that's in -current is *much* better. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 27 14:53:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04609 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:53:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04589 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:53:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09612 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:44:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199801272244.RAA09612@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: FreeBSD-related article in Dr Dobb's Journal In-Reply-To: <199801272208.OAA11754@kithrup.com> from Sean Eric Fagan at "Jan 27, 98 02:08:53 pm" To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:44:22 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sean Eric Fagan said: > > In the March, 1998 issue of Dr Dobb's Journal (#283), there's an article > called, "Tracing BSD System Calls" (it's even mentioned on the cover), by this > wanker named "Sean Eric Fagan"; it describes the design and implementation of > an event-based process monitoring system in the FreeBSD kernel. (The original > title of the article was "Event-based Process Monitoring in the FreeBSD > Operating System, or, How to Develop a Trussing Relationship with Your > Kernel.") > > I don't know when this will hit the stands; I just got two advance copies from > a friend who works there. (I'd hope that the magazine would officially send > me some, too, but that hasn't happened yet, if ever.) > > The article describes the earlier version of the kernel code and truss; the > stuff that's in -current is *much* better. > EXCELLENT!!! -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 27 16:42:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25474 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:42:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25288 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:40:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21533; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:10:20 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA15883; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:10:19 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980128111019.49755@lemis.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:10:19 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Julian Elischer Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Fairings References: <34CE72B9.7DE14518@whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <34CE72B9.7DE14518@whistle.com>; from Julian Elischer on Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 03:50:18PM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (following up in -chat) On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 03:50:18PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > for those old-timers in FreeBSD... > > The originator of the original FreeBSD fairings > was spotted in SF-bay area yesterday.. > (yes, the real JMj!) You mean people know what he looks like? What was he doing? I always thought he was an alter ego of Bill Jolitz. > p.s. we need to make a BSD daemon picture featuring some fairings > in some way! > > (I mean, "don't expect fairings!") Good idea. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 27 18:36:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17987 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:36:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17894 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:35:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA04257 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:29:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:29:33 -0500 (EST) From: Snob Art Genre To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-related article in Dr Dobb's Journal In-Reply-To: <199801272208.OAA11754@kithrup.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Congratulations! I will pick up a copy when it's out. "Trussing relationship", I like that. Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 27 21:10:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16934 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:10:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16910 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:10:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01169; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:30:16 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801280500.PAA01169@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Joe Shevland" cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fairings In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:50:19 +1100." <199801280451.PAA22146@oznet11.ozemail.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:30:15 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Weather may turn cold, and long distance winter motorcycle commutes > > may continue unabated, but of those of us who take sound advice of > > Jesus to heart, many are cold but few are frozen. > > > > Jordan > > Excuse my towering ignorance, but what is a 'fairing'? That, indeed, was the question. More helpful to *you* would have been knowing who JMJ was. Someone will post Jordan's reply soon, I'm sure of it. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 28 02:40:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA06635 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:40:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA06606 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:40:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA28941; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:40:15 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA03247; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:40:14 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980128114014.37250@follo.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:40:14 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Eivind Eklund , Karl Denninger , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current NFS looking good! References: <19980128112438.18129@follo.net> <199801281032.CAA01081@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199801281032.CAA01081@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 02:32:57AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 02:32:57AM -0800, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 10:48:34PM -0600, Karl Denninger wrote: > > > When were these latest fixes put in? I haven't checked out the latest in > > > about a month due to the known problems. > > > > Two days ago or so. Fixed mmap() over NFS problems, at least. > > Odd, I have not seen any cvs commit messages since January 21. That's two days or so ;-) My sense of time is even more odd than usual; I've been working all around the clock, been on heavy painkillers, and had a lot of problems sleeping lately due to pain. I wish the dentist could sort this out _soon_. (He's had three tries and at last seems to start to get better.) Eivind. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 28 08:11:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20079 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:11:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20070 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:11:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ACHOWDHU.IN.ORACLE.COM.ofcmail@in.oracle.com) Received: from insun023 (insun023.in.oracle.com [152.69.168.23]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA28218 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:09:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by insun023 (SMI-8.6/37.8) id LAA20062; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:04:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199801281604.LAA20062@insun023> Date: 28 Jan 98 21:55:22 +0530 From: "Atish" To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Auto-reply: FreeBSD-related article in Dr Dobb's Journal Reply-to: ACHOWDHU.IN.ORACLE.COM.ofcmail@in.oracle.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.1.1.3.40) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_ORCL_2298055_0_0" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=_ORCL_2298055_0_0 Content-Transfer-Encoding:quoted-printable Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, I am on leave till mid Feb'98. Will try to get back to you as soon as possible. -regards Atish #..........................................................................#= >From : Atish Datta Chowdhury Oracle Software Development Centre India Development Centre 150 Embassy Point Bangalore 560001 Telephone: (088) 2256099 Extn:496/atish e-mail: achowdhu@in.oracle.com #..........................................................................#= --=_ORCL_2298055_0_0 Content-Type:message/rfc822 Date: 28 Jan 98 03:38:53 From:Sean Eric Fagan To:hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject:FreeBSD-related article in Dr Dobb's Journal Reply-to:INUNIX2.IN.ORACLE.COM:chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received:from inet16.us.oracle.com by insun023 with ESMTP (SMI-8.6/37.8) id RAA28113; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:06:20 -0500 Received:from sarip.sol.net (mail@sarip.sol.net [169.207.30.120]) by inet16.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05345; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received:from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) by sarip.sol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNNS-1.02) with ESMTP id QAA16673; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:13:20 -0600 (CST) Received:from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA26576; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:13:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received:by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:09:53 -0800 Received:(from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25363 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:09:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received:from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25108; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:09:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef@kithrup.com) Received:(from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA11754; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:08:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sef) Message-Id:<199801272208.OAA11754@kithrup.com> Organization:Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Sender:owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding:quoted-printable Content-Type:text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In the March, 1998 issue of Dr Dobb's Journal (#283), there's an article called, "Tracing BSD System Calls" (it's even mentioned on the cover), by this wanker named "Sean Eric Fagan"; it describes the design and implementation o= f an event-based process monitoring system in the FreeBSD kernel. (The original title of the article was "Event-based Process Monitoring in the FreeBSD Operating System, or, How to Develop a Trussing Relationship with Your Kernel.") I don't know when this will hit the stands; I just got two advance copies from a friend who works there. (I'd hope that the magazine would officially send me some, too, but that hasn't happened yet, if ever.) The article describes the earlier version of the kernel code and truss; the stuff that's in -current is *much* better. --=_ORCL_2298055_0_0-- From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 28 10:46:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24014 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:46:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.cep.yale.edu (www.cep.yale.edu [130.132.125.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23890 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:45:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mrami@www.cep.yale.edu) Received: from localhost (mrami@localhost) by www.cep.yale.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA18287 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:43:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:43:29 -0500 (EST) From: Marc Ramirez To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fairings In-Reply-To: <34CE72B9.7DE14518@whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > for those old-timers in FreeBSD... > > The originator of the original FreeBSD fairings > was spotted in SF-bay area yesterday.. > (yes, the real JMj!) I've seen all the discussion about fairings; what I'm interested in is the sighting! Where was he seen? Doing what? > julian > p.s. we need to make a BSD daemon picture featuring some fairings > in some way! > > (I mean, "don't expect fairings!") > -- Quidem, D! Omnis bonus est! From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 29 02:16:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA10994 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:16:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bird.te.rl.ac.uk (bird.te.rl.ac.uk [130.246.19.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA10987 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:16:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmb@rcru.rl.ac.uk) Received: from rcru.rl.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bird.te.rl.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA10289 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:14:28 GMT (envelope-from tmb@rcru.rl.ac.uk) Message-Id: <199801291014.KAA10289@bird.te.rl.ac.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Writeup in UK Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:14:27 +0000 From: Mark Blackman Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe chat" For those craving a bit more publicity for FreeBSD, a nice dose in "Computer Shopper". FreeBSD got a fairly positive four-page writeup in March 1998 "Computer Shopper" (just out) This is a fairly popular PC-oriented magazine in the UK. Anyway, on p. 789, Mike James runs through acquisition, installation and general use of FreeBSD. He compares it to a well-known public-domain unix clone and phrases like "fewer minor irritations", "fewer glitches and peculiarities", "more polished", "more stable", "fewer rough edges", "mission-critical" pop up. Buy that man a pint! I wonder if Mike James was put on to FreeBSD by somebody or he just stumbled over it. This is the first dedicated FreeBSD write-up I've seen in the UK, so maybe the time has come. Computer Shopper has a few good columns and reviews, but more noted for the very comprehensive advertising bumpf. It's literally about 80% adverts. Which makes it a nice resource for doing price comparisons for commodity items. Regards, Mark Blackman Radio Communications Research Unit Rutherford Appleton Laboratory Didcot Oxfordshire, OX11 0QX UK From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 29 08:39:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03242 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:39:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03231 for chat; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:39:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199801291639.IAA03231@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: more than 26 characters in domainname To: chat Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:39:02 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe chat" the internic is is remarkable. tried to register a domainname longer than 26 characters. (dont ask why.......i am not a suit) get back the following: put_value: value exceeds buffer size of <26> chars called the internic. they tell me domainname can not be longer than 26 characters. rfc1123 2.1 Host software MUST handle host names of up to 63 characters and SHOULD handle host names of up to 255 characters. the poor guy on the phone did not know waht an rfc is. send the folks that bombed the clinic in birmingham alabama to network solutions.......put them out of our misery. jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 29 09:24:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10085 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:24:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shadows.aeon.net (shadows.aeon.net [194.100.41.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA10079 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:24:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsdchat@shadows.aeon.net) Received: (from bsdchat@localhost) by shadows.aeon.net (8.8.8/8.8.3) id TAA26291 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:23:32 +0200 (EET) From: mika ruohotie Message-Id: <199801291723.TAA26291@shadows.aeon.net> Subject: uh To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:23:31 +0200 (EET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe chat" is it just me or did the chat@freebsd.org die? maybe i just dropped "off" from the list... mickey From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 29 09:59:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15734 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:59:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [198.53.145.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15718 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:59:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paulg@interlog.com) Received: from shell1.interlog.com (paulg@shell1.interlog.com [207.34.202.8]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.8.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA26696; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:58:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:57:41 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Griffith To: mika ruohotie cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: uh In-Reply-To: <199801291723.TAA26291@shadows.aeon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe chat" No it's not you, it also dropped me off the list. Paul Griffith - paulg@interlog.com On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, mika ruohotie wrote: > is it just me or did the chat@freebsd.org die? > > maybe i just dropped "off" from the list... > > > mickey > From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 29 10:58:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27325 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:58:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from diabolik.logic.it (diabolik.logic.it [195.120.151.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA27309 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:58:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from molter@logic.it) Received: (qmail 5068 invoked from network); 29 Jan 1998 18:58:00 -0000 Received: from mc24.logic.it (HELO dumbwinter.logic.it) (195.120.151.124) by diabolik.logic.it with SMTP; 29 Jan 1998 18:58:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 1606 invoked by uid 1000); 29 Jan 1998 18:57:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:57:19 +0100 (MET) From: Marco Molteni To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: A joke about Bill In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe chat" Hi all, I just heard this joke from a friend of mine, and I'd like to share it. Also, I'd like 1. corrections if it isn't good english 2. other jokes! ;-) Ciao ciao Marco Bill Gates died... and got to heaven. The angel told him that he had a choice to go to Eden or to Hell. Our Bill took a look at Eden. Everyone there was dressed in long white clothes walking slowly and praying. Then he looked at Hell. WOW ! It looked like a night club... decorated in dark red with dark red lights... sluts were everywhere... "So, I choose Hell", said the Bill Immediately two devils came, put him upon a pike and put to a pot to boil. "Hey ! Hey !", yelled the Bill, "I saw something completely different !" "Yes" - replied the devils - "It was a demo version...." From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 29 13:25:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24849 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:25:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24746 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:24:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcs@znep.com) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id OAA27714; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:24:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA10364; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:23:41 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:23:41 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko To: mika ruohotie cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: uh In-Reply-To: <199801291723.TAA26291@shadows.aeon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe chat" On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, mika ruohotie wrote: > is it just me or did the chat@freebsd.org die? > > maybe i just dropped "off" from the list... I got magically dropped a while back around when hub.freebsd.org crashed once or twice or thrice. Perhaps this happened to you? A "which" command to majordomo@freebsd.org will tell you something. Hmm. majordomo knows about chat and freebsd-chat. I don't think I was dropped from any others, but haven't had time to check. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 29 13:38:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27806 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:38:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27730 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:37:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.8.8/frmug-2.2/nospam) with UUCP id WAA01638 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:37:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.8/keltia-2.13/nospam) id WAA17409; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:17:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980129221751.07099@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:17:51 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List Subject: PPP (kernel or user) & callback Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4019 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe chat" Hi, Has anyone used either pppd or ppp in a callback environment ? At work, we have a Shiva LanRover and the system is configured with callback for security reasons. Now, how can I configure either PPP program to deal with the fact that the Shiva software can't handle "login:" ? I thought of use the "pp" capability of getty but maybe is there another way... ? If pp string is specified and a PPP link bringup sequence is recognized, getty will invoke the program referenced by the pp option. This can be used to handle incoming PPP calls. Is "pp=/usr/sbin/pppd" enough ? -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #54: Mon Jan 26 20:29:17 CET 1998 From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 29 16:42:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28382 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:42:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (vh1.gsoft.com.au [203.38.152.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28366 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:42:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00330; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:04:37 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199801300034.LAA00330@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Nate Williams cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: /usr/src/release/sysinstall needs US. :-)) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:04:22 PDT." <199801292304.QAA12754@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:04:36 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe chat" > Java does dynamic extension loading on the fly quite well, even better > than TCL since you can extend the loader to do it however you want. Our > product uses that feature extensively. :) You should read up on how 'unknown' works. (Yes, *our* product uses that feature extensively 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 30 00:10:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14800 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:10:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from paert.tse-online.de (paert.tse-online.de [194.97.69.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA14767 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 00:09:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ab@paert.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 24506 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Jan 1998 07:16:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19980130081614.29641@paert.tse-online.de> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:16:14 +0100 From: Andreas Braukmann To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: uh References: <199801291723.TAA26291@shadows.aeon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: ; from Marc Slemko on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 02:23:41PM -0700 Organization: TSE TeleService GmbH Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe chat" Hello, > > maybe i just dropped "off" from the list... > I got magically dropped a while back around when hub.freebsd.org crashed > A "which" command to majordomo@freebsd.org will tell you something. I got dropped from 'chat', too. But 'which' didn't help to verify this fact, because of the applied security-policies. 'majordomo@freeebsd.org' feeds 'which'-commands directly into /dev/null. Regards, Andreas -- /// TSE TeleService GmbH | Gsf: Arne Reuter | /// Hovestrasse 14 | Andreas Braukmann | We do it with /// D-48351 Everswinkel | HRB: 1430, AG WAF | FreeBSD/SMP /// ------------------------------------------------------------------- /// PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key /// Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 30 07:22:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15601 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:22:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15591 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:22:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcs@znep.com) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id IAA00483; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:22:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02726; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:20:54 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:20:53 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko To: Andreas Braukmann cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: uh In-Reply-To: <19980130081614.29641@paert.tse-online.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe chat" On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Andreas Braukmann wrote: > Hello, > > > > maybe i just dropped "off" from the list... > > I got magically dropped a while back around when hub.freebsd.org crashed > > > A "which" command to majordomo@freebsd.org will tell you something. > I got dropped from 'chat', too. > But 'which' didn't help to verify this fact, because of the applied > security-policies. 'majordomo@freeebsd.org' feeds 'which'-commands directly > into /dev/null. No it doesn't. Only if you try "which foo". "which" by itself works fine, at least for me. From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 30 07:37:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17237 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:37:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17034; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:37:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199801301537.HAA17034@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: uh In-Reply-To: <19980130081614.29641@paert.tse-online.de> from Andreas Braukmann at "Jan 30, 98 08:16:14 am" To: braukmann@tse-online.de (Andreas Braukmann) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:37:01 -0800 (PST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe chat" Andreas Braukmann wrote: > Hello, > > > > maybe i just dropped "off" from the list... > > I got magically dropped a while back around when hub.freebsd.org crashed > > > A "which" command to majordomo@freebsd.org will tell you something. > I got dropped from 'chat', too. > But 'which' didn't help to verify this fact, because of the applied > security-policies. 'majordomo@freeebsd.org' feeds 'which'-commands directly > into /dev/null. no. which will search for your mail address and sednd the results to your mail address. you must send the which command from the subscribed address. i am subscribed as jmb@freebsd.org. if i send the which command from jmb@internic.net (not!) the result will be an empty email. please verify/confirm your information before (mis)informing everyone ;) please send the which command from the account braukmann@tse-online.de freebsd-afs:braukmann@tse-online.de freebsd-chat:braukmann@tse-online.de freebsd-database:braukmann@tse-online.de freebsd-isdn:braukmann@tse-online.de freebsd-java:braukmann@tse-online.de freebsd-sparc:braukmann@tse-online.de jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve JMB193 http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB