From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 25 01:40:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18378 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:40:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opi.flirtbox.ch ([62.48.0.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA18373 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:40:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oppermann@pipeline.ch) Received: (qmail 12912 invoked from network); 25 Oct 1998 08:38:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pipeline.ch) (195.134.140.1) by opi.flirtbox.ch with SMTP; 25 Oct 1998 08:38:41 -0000 Message-ID: <3632D5DC.27B5F55C@pipeline.ch> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:40:12 +0200 From: Andre Oppermann Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dg@root.com CC: John Cavanaugh , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: another record References: <199810241823.LAA05442@implode.root.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Greenman wrote: -snip- > As for planned upgrades, we'll be going to Xeon/4xx in a month or so. The > main reason for doing this is the increased memory capacity - the new machine > will have 4GB of RAM. This will allow us to increase the FTP limit to at > least 10000 users. My main concern at the moment is that we don't have > sufficient network bandwidth to support that many users (we're just hitting > the limit of our 100Mbps circuit with 3500 users). We're talking with CRL > about our options. I'm advocating gigabit ethernet, but we may have to > settle for multiple 100Mbps circuits in the short term. How would you do that? With multiple IP's and round-robin DNS or do you have secretly written some Fast-Ethernet load sharing drivers? ;-) -- Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 25 01:51:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA19149 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:51:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt053nb4.san.rr.com (dt053nb4.san.rr.com [204.210.34.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA19141 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:51:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt053nb4.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02380; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:50:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@gorean.org) Message-ID: <3632E66F.C13632FE@gorean.org> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:50:55 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE-1015 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dg@root.com CC: John Cavanaugh , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: another record References: <199810250623.XAA14829@implode.root.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Greenman wrote: John wrote: > >Looking at the stats that you've posted recently, it looks like the > >FreeBSD directories always get a lot of traffic, but when some new > >first person shooter (or in this case, 3rd person shooter - Heretic II), > >comes out, those directories traffic goes through the roof. Do you > >think it would be better to carve off certain sections of the main archive > >for bandwidth reasons? > > > >What solution do you think is the best? Thanks. > > I'm not sure what we're going to do about the games demos. It really > bothers me that game companies are getting so much of our bandwidth to > promote their products, while leaving WC CDROM to pay the bill. As one of the members of the "cabal" that was responsible for moving the id games archive to cdrom.com I feel compelled to speak. :) We've always been grateful for the support that Walnut Creek has provided us, and have tried to be good netizens with the promotion of our world wide mirror network. They've been very generous with disk space, time for administrative tasks, and other forms of support. At the same time our archive has always brought a lot of attention to cdrom.com, and we're still easily in the top 10 of the download stats, often in the top 5. Not to mention the cdroms of our stuff that they sell. It's been a good partnership all the way around. In the last several years as they've had a chance to catch up with the phenomenal explosion of interest and enthusiasm for their games that happened over the internet, id software has taken primary responsibility for their own internet services, so the mirror at cdrom.com is more of a business partnership than ever before. There are several fascinating elements involved in the growth of popularity of Doom and its successors as they entwined with the growth and popularity of the internet itself. If not the first, Doom was certainly the first major commercial success in the gaming world that was due in large part to the fact that a fully functional version of the game was given away on the net. While I can't speak for the other games represented at cdrom.com, those of us who've been involved in Doom and id games' presence on the internet from the beginning are justifiably proud of our record as netizens. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 25 01:01:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA19904 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:01:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ninbox.ml.org (hsv1-231.airnet.net [207.242.81.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA19894 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:01:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ninbox.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA22078; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 03:57:58 GMT Message-ID: <3632A1C2.7E42A7C9@airnet.net> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 03:57:54 +0000 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Absolutely None! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dg@root.com CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: another record References: <199810250623.XAA14829@implode.root.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Greenman wrote: > I'd like to keep it as a single machine. The whole idea is to show people > how far FreeBSD can scale and how well it works on (relatively) inexpensive > hardware. I've been using that idea for quite sometime. Someone mentions Linux and I open an ftp session to wcarchive. Then they see that it is a (spec wise) massive machine, yet doesn't sport much processing power. And I tell them that it kicks out over 400GB a day and their facial expression changes. It's one hell of a promo for FreeBSD. > Our ISP would very much like us to put another server on the east > coast, however, in order to better balance the traffic loads. I don't really > want to do that until the physical limits of the hardware have been reached. Their's or your's ? :-) -- Kris Kirby UAH Mail UAH CS Home WWW ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 25 01:36:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22586 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:36:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA22581 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:36:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from xroot@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA17245; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:36:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199810250936.BAA17245@implode.root.com> To: Andre Oppermann cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: another record In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:40:12 +0200." <3632D5DC.27B5F55C@pipeline.ch> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:36:28 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> As for planned upgrades, we'll be going to Xeon/4xx in a month or so. The >> main reason for doing this is the increased memory capacity - the new machine >> will have 4GB of RAM. This will allow us to increase the FTP limit to at >> least 10000 users. My main concern at the moment is that we don't have >> sufficient network bandwidth to support that many users (we're just hitting >> the limit of our 100Mbps circuit with 3500 users). We're talking with CRL >> about our options. I'm advocating gigabit ethernet, but we may have to >> settle for multiple 100Mbps circuits in the short term. > >How would you do that? With multiple IP's and round-robin DNS Yes. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 25 01:41:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22938 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:41:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA22933 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:41:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from xroot@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA17358; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:41:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199810250941.BAA17358@implode.root.com> To: Kris Kirby cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: another record In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Oct 1998 03:57:54 -0000." <3632A1C2.7E42A7C9@airnet.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:41:38 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> Our ISP would very much like us to put another server on the east >> coast, however, in order to better balance the traffic loads. I don't really >> want to do that until the physical limits of the hardware have been reached. > >Their's or your's ? :-) I mean the physical limits of the PC hardware. When the PCI busses simply cannot DMA data any faster, then we've reached the physical limit. The new server will have 64bit PCI and multiple busses, so I don't expect to reach the limits of the hardware anytime soon. :-) -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 25 02:13:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA25339 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 02:13:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA25334 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 02:13:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from xroot@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA17886; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 02:13:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199810251013.CAA17886@implode.root.com> To: Studded cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, tech@cdrom.com Subject: Re: another record In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 25 Oct 1998 01:50:55 PDT." <3632E66F.C13632FE@gorean.org> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 02:13:30 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > As one of the members of the "cabal" that was responsible for moving >the id games archive to cdrom.com I feel compelled to speak. :) We've >always been grateful for the support that Walnut Creek has provided us, >and have tried to be good netizens with the promotion of our world wide >mirror network. They've been very generous with disk space, time for >administrative tasks, and other forms of support. At the same time our >archive has always brought a lot of attention to cdrom.com, and we're >still easily in the top 10 of the download stats, often in the top 5. >Not to mention the cdroms of our stuff that they sell. It's been a good >partnership all the way around. Often in the top 1. The main problem for us is that the games CDROMs aren't selling (apparantly there isn't much of a market for game demos CDROMs) and the people that the games archives are attracting don't seem to be the type that would be interested in WC CDROM's other products. Whether this is true or not I don't know, but it is the perception around the company. I should also point out that it is a bit more complicated than this since WC CDROM has always been willing to provide significant resources for entirely non-commercial software and data, even when there is no money to be made from it with a CDROM offering. The question is who, if anyone, is making money off of us. There are, for example, several web sites that point to files at ftp.cdrom.com and make significant amounts of money selling advertising. You often can't even easily tell that the download is being redirected to ftp.cdrom.com (all text that we put out in the welcome message is gobbled up by the browser). Does WC CDROM deserve some of this advertising money? I'm sure you'll find large numbers of people on both sides of that issue. Anyway, I'm not trying to point out any bad guys in my comments; simply that we seem to have a problem that needs a solution. It would be a shame if we had to ban certain types of content due to our resources being gobbled up unfairly. I personally want ftp.cdrom.com to continue to be considered "the premier gaming site on the Net". Any further discussion of this should be done privately. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 25 05:14:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA12639 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 05:14:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail4.svr.freeserve.net (mail4.svr.freeserve.net [195.92.193.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA12633 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 05:14:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from c.raven@ukonline.co.uk) Received: from modem-91.sulfur.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.7.219] helo=ukonline.co.uk) by mail4.svr.freeserve.net with esmtp (Exim 2.05iplimit-2 #4) id 0zXPzj-0000ja-00 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 13:14:07 +0000 Message-ID: <363323F3.2EA37A4C@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 13:13:23 +0000 From: Christopher Raven Organization: CIAN X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat Subject: [Fwd: OS support for active antennas and electromagnetic resonance systems] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------31A12DBC5E69EB01FC36E215" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------31A12DBC5E69EB01FC36E215 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't know if anyone saw this (or thought it was spam). In any case I forwarded it to -chat as I know various core members are subscribed here. -- Christopher Raven E-mail: c.raven@ukonline.co.uk & ICQ: 2254369 http://www.FreeBSD.org/ "The Power To Serve" http://www.unmetered.org.uk/ "A PC is for life, not just for Xmas" --------------31A12DBC5E69EB01FC36E215 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Delivered-To: c.raven@ukonline.co.uk Received: (qmail 7486 invoked from network); 23 Oct 1998 11:21:12 -0000 Received: from hub.freebsd.org (204.216.27.18) by hertz.ukonline.co.uk with SMTP; 23 Oct 1998 11:21:12 -0000 Delivered-To: vmailer-questions@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (VMailer, from userid 1) id 10FF5A207; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18973 for freebsd-questions-outgoing; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:07:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from indus.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (indus.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.134.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18966 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:07:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jpb@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from localhost (jpb@localhost) by indus.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA06747; Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 04:04:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Patrick Bedell" To: linux-kernel@vger.rutgers.edu Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: OS support for active antennas and electromagnetic resonance systems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi everybody, I'm an electrical engineering student at Berkeley who's working on an on-chip electromagnetic total molecular analysis system. Using multiaxis microcoils in CMOS with XeF2 postprocessing, it will be possible to create a hugely parallel microcoil array. Each solenoidal microcoil would form a pore, and by controlling the input voltages to the array, it should be possible to perform total molecular analysis of a single cell, or any other collection of molecules. This would rely on the interaction of charged (bio)molecules with the electric field imposed by the microcoil electrodes, as well as the molecular interaction with the applied magnetic field. This will enable magnetic deflection of migrating molecules and, most importantly, nuclear magnetic resonance to manifest itself. Right now, I'm trying to design the array of planar microcoils in standard CMOS (using Magic), and will soon be able to create and receive low frequency radiation (below 1 MHz or so). There is a lot of work to be done before nuclear magnetic resonance experiments can be done with the solenoidal micropores, but it will happen. For magnetic resonance molecular imaging, it will be necessary to develop software to control the electromagnetic fields to get the most infomation from the molecular system under analysis. This electromagnetic interaction makes wireless communication possible, as well, and that's why I'm writing to this list. How could the hardware for this microcoil array be created to make it as easy as possible to interface with these EM transceivers? Is there any support for active antenna arrays in Linux now? I am interested in this because I believe that on-chip microantenna arrays will enable at least multigigabyte data rates, and that's a Good Thing. I also believe that it will be possible to build an NMR quantum computer with this device, and I am intensely interested in developing Linux support for quantum coprocessing. I'd be especially interested in hearing from people who are interested in working on operating systems support for active antenna arrays and spatial-division wave multiplexing. I'd like to implement a channel for IP datagrams, upon which can be built systems for mobile routing and routing ecommerce. Feel free to forward this message, if you like. Thanks! Patrick Bedell jpb@cory.eecs.berkeley.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message --------------31A12DBC5E69EB01FC36E215-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 25 06:22:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA16328 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 06:22:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from o-o.org (o-o.org [207.252.201.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA16318 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 06:22:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from licia@o-o.org) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by o-o.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA27739; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 08:20:56 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 08:20:55 -0600 (CST) From: Licia To: David Greenman cc: John Cavanaugh , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: another record In-Reply-To: <199810250623.XAA14829@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Perhaps they could be encouraged, in exchange for this service from Walnut Creek, to add more formal support for FreeBSD to their products? On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, David Greenman wrote: > > I'm not sure what we're going to do about the games demos. It really > bothers me that game companies are getting so much of our bandwidth to > promote their products, while leaving WC CDROM to pay the bill. > > -DG > > David Greenman > Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > [ licia@o-o.org ] [ http://www.o-o.org/ ] [ IrcNick : Licia ] [ A happy user of FreeBSD : http://www.freebsd.org/ ] [ Why crawl through windows when you can walk through a door? ] [ This user boycotts all Microsoft products and services ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 25 09:53:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29952 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:53:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason02.u.washington.edu (jason02.u.washington.edu [140.142.76.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29947 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:53:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul2.u.washington.edu (root@saul2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.21]) by jason02.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id JAA22984 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:53:07 -0800 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id JAA04458 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:53:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:52:48 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: another record In-Reply-To: <199810250936.BAA17245@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, David Greenman wrote: >>How would you do that? With multiple IP's and round-robin DNS > > Yes. > >-DG I heard microsoft has this really cool single IP solution... Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 25 18:22:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12769 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:22:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12764 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:22:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lynch@rush.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28771; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:21:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lynch@rush.net) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:21:24 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Lynch To: Drew Baxter cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.performance-computing.com/features/9810of1.shtml In-Reply-To: <4.1.0.67.19981024114643.00a63ad0@genesis.ispace.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- personally, good, it "can't compile smurf.c" smurf is a network attack, not a useful tool. personally FreeBSD doesn;t need that kind of "support" if a script kiddy isn;t smart enough to make it compile, then thats great. - -P ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, Drew Baxter wrote: > Nice article, definitely.. I especially liked the choice of graphic art, > and the remark about Grandma's lung machine.. :) > > I guess the big thing is, the little teenies playing "elite hacker" isn't > going to care about the whole GPL thing. It'd be kinda cool to see the > ability to compile for any OS (ultimate compatibility) so you could tell > FreeBSD "Well this compiled on Solaris.." and set a flag.. The word on the > teen street is "FreeBSD can't compile smurf.c".. > > I guess a clean-cut userbase is a little better than ones that want to > wreck stuff, but at the same time it's a +1 on the Linux side of things.. I > installed RHS for a week and immediately killed the box, as it goes I'm > playing with Solaris x86 (cost me 10 bucks, no args here) and I am still > rather distraught of its lack of a C compiler, gzip, etc. so that one is > clearly going out the door as well.. > > --- > Drew "Droobie" Baxter > Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) > OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 > http://www.droo.orland.me.us > My Latest Kernel: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT (ONEEX) #14: Mon Oct 19 22:36:58 EDT 1998 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNjPcp8Gd9jPuKvqVAQHdbgQAtQdpwjDLL2ThzmL/vUmZOTfQ8amOvfuh FGSqSYpukOqXk/me3UspxnX8SCF3WCJrPnXzghp6GFfM2VoEVK/Qj+B/aBqQsOVL jhvi+pI7kEz1zjrtx4+5Fx6N7zA7cqcj+5LVpfHW6JvNHHvzoKQZF1/OHqHKta+W KZFTPZb8WDM= =Afs6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 25 20:49:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26631 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:49:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ime.net (ime.net [209.90.192.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA26626 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:49:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4020.ime.net [209.90.195.30]) by ime.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA02731; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:48:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981025233819.00a458a0@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:41:51 -0500 To: Pat Lynch From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: http://www.performance-computing.com/features/9810of1.shtml Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.0.67.19981024114643.00a63ad0@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm not saying it like that. I'm saying that's where Linux teen kiddies come in. Besides, some attacks have diagnostic value. While I just got a hardware firewall (and I already hate it, I got locked out of my network across the weekend) that claims to block certain types of attacks, I may want to check just to see if it supports 'newer' ones. Don't forget, most exploits are posted to databases (i.e. bugtraq) as soon as they are discovered. By the way, Smurf (as well as others) don't compile on FreeBSD because of a lack of certain header files that Linux has. If I recall many of them are in netinet/... Also, this is an example. There are some intuitive Linux programs that can't compile for the same reason. Sure, people should port, but I'm not one to fix 250 various compile errors (of which could be linked to one line of code, but still) if I don't have to. So as it goes, I'm forced to have a Linux box, a Solaris X86 box, and a FreeBSD box. Of course, I like my FreeBSD box most of all, because of how long i've been using FreeBSD. At 09:21 PM 10/25/98 -0500, Pat Lynch wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >personally, good, it "can't compile smurf.c" smurf is a network attack, >not a useful tool. > >personally FreeBSD doesn;t need that kind of "support" if a script kiddy >isn;t smart enough to make it compile, then thats great. > >- -P > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net >Systems Administrator Rush Networking > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, Drew Baxter wrote: > >> Nice article, definitely.. I especially liked the choice of graphic art, >> and the remark about Grandma's lung machine.. :) >> >> I guess the big thing is, the little teenies playing "elite hacker" isn't >> going to care about the whole GPL thing. It'd be kinda cool to see the >> ability to compile for any OS (ultimate compatibility) so you could tell >> FreeBSD "Well this compiled on Solaris.." and set a flag.. The word on the >> teen street is "FreeBSD can't compile smurf.c".. >> >> I guess a clean-cut userbase is a little better than ones that want to >> wreck stuff, but at the same time it's a +1 on the Linux side of things.. I >> installed RHS for a week and immediately killed the box, as it goes I'm >> playing with Solaris x86 (cost me 10 bucks, no args here) and I am still >> rather distraught of its lack of a C compiler, gzip, etc. so that one is >> clearly going out the door as well.. >> >> --- >> Drew "Droobie" Baxter >> Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) >> OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 >> http://www.droo.orland.me.us >> My Latest Kernel: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT (ONEEX) #14: Mon Oct 19 22:36:58 EDT >1998 >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message >> > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.6.2 > >iQCVAwUBNjPcp8Gd9jPuKvqVAQHdbgQAtQdpwjDLL2ThzmL/vUmZOTfQ8amOvfuh >FGSqSYpukOqXk/me3UspxnX8SCF3WCJrPnXzghp6GFfM2VoEVK/Qj+B/aBqQsOVL >jhvi+pI7kEz1zjrtx4+5Fx6N7zA7cqcj+5LVpfHW6JvNHHvzoKQZF1/OHqHKta+W >KZFTPZb8WDM= >=Afs6 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us My Latest Kernel: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT (ONEEX) #14: Mon Oct 19 22:36:58 EDT 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 25 21:21:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA00483 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:21:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00476 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:20:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id QAA00694; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:20:18 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19981026162015.58679@welearn.com.au> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:20:15 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.performance-computing.com/features/9810of1.shtml References: <4.1.0.67.19981024114643.00a63ad0@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981025233819.00a458a0@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981025233819.00a458a0@genesis.ispace.com>; from Drew Baxter on Sun, Oct 25, 1998 at 11:41:51PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Oct 25, 1998 at 11:41:51PM -0500, Drew Baxter wrote: > I'm not saying it like that. > > I'm saying that's where Linux teen kiddies come in. Besides, some attacks > have diagnostic value. While I just got a hardware firewall (and I already > hate it, I got locked out of my network across the weekend) that claims to > block certain types of attacks, I may want to check just to see if it > supports 'newer' ones. > > Don't forget, most exploits are posted to databases (i.e. bugtraq) as soon > as they are discovered. > > By the way, Smurf (as well as others) don't compile on FreeBSD because of a > lack of certain header files that Linux has. If I recall many of them are > in netinet/... > > Also, this is an example. There are some intuitive Linux programs that > can't compile for the same reason. Sure, people should port, but I'm not > one to fix 250 various compile errors (of which could be linked to one line > of code, but still) if I don't have to. So as it goes, I'm forced to have > a Linux box, a Solaris X86 box, and a FreeBSD box. Of course, I like my > FreeBSD box most of all, because of how long i've been using FreeBSD. > > At 09:21 PM 10/25/98 -0500, Pat Lynch wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > >personally, good, it "can't compile smurf.c" smurf is a network attack, > >not a useful tool. > > > >personally FreeBSD doesn;t need that kind of "support" if a script kiddy > >isn;t smart enough to make it compile, then thats great. > > > >- -P > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > > >Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net > >Systems Administrator Rush Networking > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > > >On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, Drew Baxter wrote: > > > >> Nice article, definitely.. I especially liked the choice of graphic art, > >> and the remark about Grandma's lung machine.. :) > >> > >> I guess the big thing is, the little teenies playing "elite hacker" isn't > >> going to care about the whole GPL thing. It'd be kinda cool to see the > >> ability to compile for any OS (ultimate compatibility) so you could tell > >> FreeBSD "Well this compiled on Solaris.." and set a flag.. The word on the > >> teen street is "FreeBSD can't compile smurf.c".. > >> > >> I guess a clean-cut userbase is a little better than ones that want to > >> wreck stuff, but at the same time it's a +1 on the Linux side of things.. I > >> installed RHS for a week and immediately killed the box, as it goes I'm > >> playing with Solaris x86 (cost me 10 bucks, no args here) and I am still > >> rather distraught of its lack of a C compiler, gzip, etc. so that one is > >> clearly going out the door as well.. > >> > >> --- > >> Drew "Droobie" Baxter > >> Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) > >> OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 > >> http://www.droo.orland.me.us > >> My Latest Kernel: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT (ONEEX) #14: Mon Oct 19 22:36:58 EDT > >1998 > >> > >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > >> > > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: 2.6.2 > > > >iQCVAwUBNjPcp8Gd9jPuKvqVAQHdbgQAtQdpwjDLL2ThzmL/vUmZOTfQ8amOvfuh > >FGSqSYpukOqXk/me3UspxnX8SCF3WCJrPnXzghp6GFfM2VoEVK/Qj+B/aBqQsOVL > >jhvi+pI7kEz1zjrtx4+5Fx6N7zA7cqcj+5LVpfHW6JvNHHvzoKQZF1/OHqHKta+W > >KZFTPZb8WDM= > >=Afs6 > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > --- > Drew "Droobie" Baxter > Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) > OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 > http://www.droo.orland.me.us > My Latest Kernel: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT (ONEEX) #14: Mon Oct 19 22:36:58 EDT 1998 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message ?nwod edispu ffuts siht daer syug uoy od woH -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 25 21:56:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03300 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:56:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ime.net (ime.net [209.90.192.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03294 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:56:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4020.ime.net [209.90.195.30]) by ime.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA09378; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 00:55:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981026004520.00a71cf0@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 00:47:08 -0500 To: Sue Blake , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: http://www.performance-computing.com/features/9810of1.shtml In-Reply-To: <19981026162015.58679@welearn.com.au> References: <4.1.19981025233819.00a458a0@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.0.67.19981024114643.00a63ad0@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.19981025233819.00a458a0@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don't you mean.... umop apisdn? I think it's something like that :) At 04:20 PM 10/26/98 +1100, Sue Blake wrote: >On Sun, Oct 25, 1998 at 11:41:51PM -0500, Drew Baxter wrote: >> I'm not saying it like that. >> >> I'm saying that's where Linux teen kiddies come in. Besides, some attacks >> have diagnostic value. While I just got a hardware firewall (and I already >> hate it, I got locked out of my network across the weekend) that claims to >> block certain types of attacks, I may want to check just to see if it >> supports 'newer' ones. >> >> Don't forget, most exploits are posted to databases (i.e. bugtraq) as soon >> as they are discovered. >> >> By the way, Smurf (as well as others) don't compile on FreeBSD because of a >> lack of certain header files that Linux has. If I recall many of them are >> in netinet/... >> >> Also, this is an example. There are some intuitive Linux programs that >> can't compile for the same reason. Sure, people should port, but I'm not >> one to fix 250 various compile errors (of which could be linked to one line >> of code, but still) if I don't have to. So as it goes, I'm forced to have >> a Linux box, a Solaris X86 box, and a FreeBSD box. Of course, I like my >> FreeBSD box most of all, because of how long i've been using FreeBSD. >> >> At 09:21 PM 10/25/98 -0500, Pat Lynch wrote: >> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > >> >personally, good, it "can't compile smurf.c" smurf is a network attack, >> >not a useful tool. >> > >> >personally FreeBSD doesn;t need that kind of "support" if a script kiddy >> >isn;t smart enough to make it compile, then thats great. >> > >> >- -P >> > >> >___________________________________________________________________________ >> > >> >Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net >> >Systems Administrator Rush Networking >> > >> >___________________________________________________________________________ >> > >> >On Sat, 24 Oct 1998, Drew Baxter wrote: >> > >> >> Nice article, definitely.. I especially liked the choice of graphic art, >> >> and the remark about Grandma's lung machine.. :) >> >> >> >> I guess the big thing is, the little teenies playing "elite hacker" isn't >> >> going to care about the whole GPL thing. It'd be kinda cool to see the >> >> ability to compile for any OS (ultimate compatibility) so you could tell >> >> FreeBSD "Well this compiled on Solaris.." and set a flag.. The word on >the >> >> teen street is "FreeBSD can't compile smurf.c".. >> >> >> >> I guess a clean-cut userbase is a little better than ones that want to >> >> wreck stuff, but at the same time it's a +1 on the Linux side of >things.. I >> >> installed RHS for a week and immediately killed the box, as it goes I'm >> >> playing with Solaris x86 (cost me 10 bucks, no args here) and I am still >> >> rather distraught of its lack of a C compiler, gzip, etc. so that one is >> >> clearly going out the door as well.. >> >> >> >> --- >> >> Drew "Droobie" Baxter >> >> Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) >> >> OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 >> >> http://www.droo.orland.me.us >> >> My Latest Kernel: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT (ONEEX) #14: Mon Oct 19 22:36:58 >EDT >> >1998 >> >> >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message >> >> >> > >> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >Version: 2.6.2 >> > >> >iQCVAwUBNjPcp8Gd9jPuKvqVAQHdbgQAtQdpwjDLL2ThzmL/vUmZOTfQ8amOvfuh >> >FGSqSYpukOqXk/me3UspxnX8SCF3WCJrPnXzghp6GFfM2VoEVK/Qj+B/aBqQsOVL >> >jhvi+pI7kEz1zjrtx4+5Fx6N7zA7cqcj+5LVpfHW6JvNHHvzoKQZF1/OHqHKta+W >> >KZFTPZb8WDM= >> >=Afs6 >> >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > >> > >> >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message >> >> --- >> Drew "Droobie" Baxter >> Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) >> OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 >> http://www.droo.orland.me.us >> My Latest Kernel: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT (ONEEX) #14: Mon Oct 19 22:36:58 EDT >1998 >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > >?nwod edispu ffuts siht daer syug uoy od woH > >-- > >Regards, > -*Sue*- > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us My Latest Kernel: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT (ONEEX) #14: Mon Oct 19 22:36:58 EDT 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 25 21:59:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03841 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:59:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from chickenbean.ais-gwd.com (chickenbean.com [205.160.97.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03574; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:57:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from charlespeters@chickenbean.com) Received: from ci1000971-d.sptnbrg1.sc.home.com (ci1000971-d.sptnbrg1.sc.home.com [24.4.115.200]) by chickenbean.ais-gwd.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA02260; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 01:09:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from charlespeters@chickenbean.com) Reply-To: From: "Charles A. Peters" To: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 00:51:11 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be00a5$5e2d8d40$c8730418@ci1000971-d.sptnbrg1.sc.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 25 22:59:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA09087 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:59:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (jason03.u.washington.edu [140.142.77.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09082 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:59:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul10.u.washington.edu (root@saul10.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.73]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id WAA39680; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:59:14 -0800 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul10.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id WAA03564; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:59:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 22:59:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: "Charles A. Peters" cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Subscribe Hall of Fame (Shame?) In-Reply-To: <000001be00a5$5e2d8d40$c8730418@ci1000971-d.sptnbrg1.sc.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Charles A. Peters wrote: >subscribe This has to be a new world record. :) Maybe I should send one copy of grog's monthly email ettiquette for each message. :) Charles, I dub you "The Nefarious Charles A. Peters" for conspicous copying above and beyond the call of sensibility. I expect you will change your name in your email settings to reflect your new honorifc. (I am jesting here because I am certain that you will get less pleasant replies then mine. It's OK. The ribbing you get will be temporary.) Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 25 23:03:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09449 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:03:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA09441 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:03:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA08860; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:32:13 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id RAA20730; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:32:05 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981026173204.K16609@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:32:04 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "Jason C. Wells" , "Charles A. Peters" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Subscribe Hall of Fame (Shame?) References: <000001be00a5$5e2d8d40$c8730418@ci1000971-d.sptnbrg1.sc.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Jason C. Wells on Sun, Oct 25, 1998 at 10:59:02PM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, 25 October 1998 at 22:59:02 -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: > On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Charles A. Peters wrote: > >> subscribe > > This has to be a new world record. :) > > Maybe I should send one copy of grog's monthly email ettiquette for each > message. :) > > Charles, I dub you "The Nefarious Charles A. Peters" for conspicous > copying above and beyond the call of sensibility. I expect you will change > your name in your email settings to reflect your new honorifc. > > (I am jesting here because I am certain that you will get less pleasant > replies then mine. It's OK. The ribbing you get will be temporary.) Actually, he was just testing Jonathan's "don't copy more than two mailing lists" code. You may have noticed that it works. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 25 23:10:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA10028 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:10:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA10021 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:09:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkb@shell6.ba.best.com) Received: (from jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) id XAA06092; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:09:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19981025230906.A5972@best.com> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:09:06 -0800 From: "Jan B. Koum " To: Greg Lehey , "Jason C. Wells" , "Charles A. Peters" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Subscribe Hall of Fame (Shame?) References: <000001be00a5$5e2d8d40$c8730418@ci1000971-d.sptnbrg1.sc.home.com> <19981026173204.K16609@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981026173204.K16609@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 05:32:04PM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 05:32:04PM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Sunday, 25 October 1998 at 22:59:02 -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Charles A. Peters wrote: > > > >> subscribe > > > > This has to be a new world record. :) > > > > Maybe I should send one copy of grog's monthly email ettiquette for each > > message. :) > > > > Charles, I dub you "The Nefarious Charles A. Peters" for conspicous > > copying above and beyond the call of sensibility. I expect you will change > > your name in your email settings to reflect your new honorifc. > > > > (I am jesting here because I am certain that you will get less pleasant > > replies then mine. It's OK. The ribbing you get will be temporary.) > > Actually, he was just testing Jonathan's "don't copy more than two > mailing lists" code. You may have noticed that it works. > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers > finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message I am sure I got more then 2 copies. I hit that CTRL-D way to fast, but I do remember there were more then 2 copies in my inbox. I'd say around 4 or 5 -- Yan I don't have the password .... + Jan Koum But the path is chainlinked .. | Spelled Jan, pronounced Yan. There. So if you've got the time .... | Web: http://www.best.com/~jkb Set the tone to sync ......... + OS: http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 25 23:46:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12914 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:46:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (jason05.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12909 for ; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:46:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul1.u.washington.edu (root@saul1.u.washington.edu [140.142.82.10]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id XAA20522; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:45:54 -0800 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul1.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id XAA05656; Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:45:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:45:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: Greg Lehey cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Subscribe Hall of Fame (Shame?) In-Reply-To: <19981026173204.K16609@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: >Actually, he was just testing Jonathan's "don't copy more than two >mailing lists" code. You may have noticed that it works. Hmmm. I wish I was paying closer attention. Pine checks my mail boxes in this order: FreeBSD-stable, FreeBSD-questions, FreeBSD-chat. I am pretty sure he hit all three of them prompting me write something cheeky in -chat. I could be (read probably am) wrong about this. Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 05:06:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA08282 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 05:06:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iserver.itworks.com.au (iserver.itworks.com.au [203.32.61.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA08275 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 05:06:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gavin@itworks.com.au) Received: from localhost (gavin@localhost) by iserver.itworks.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA25328 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:05:42 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from gavin@itworks.com.au) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:05:42 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Cameron To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SNMP and perl5 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I know that this question is a little off topic but please accept my apologies from the outset. Does anyone know of a perl5 module that will allow me to accept SNMP trap messages from my access server? Thanks in advance, Gavin []-----------------------------------+------------------------------------[] | Gavin Cameron | ITworks Consulting | | Ph : 0418 390350 | Suite 100, 85 Grattan Street | | Fax : +61 3 9347 6544 | Carlton, Victoria | | Email : gavin@itworks.com.au | Australia, 3053 | []-----------------------------------+------------------------------------[] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 06:22:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15605 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:22:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA15587 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:22:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from fenja.ifi.uio.no (2602@fenja.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.174]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id PAA29966; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:21:19 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by fenja.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:21:18 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: Greg Lehey , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Subscribe Hall of Fame (Shame?) References: Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 26 Oct 1998 15:21:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells"'s message of "Sun, 25 Oct 1998 23:45:41 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id GAA15600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jason C. Wells" writes: > On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > > Actually, he was just testing Jonathan's "don't copy more than two > > mailing lists" code. You may have noticed that it works. > Hmmm. I wish I was paying closer attention. Pine checks my mail boxes in > this order: FreeBSD-stable, FreeBSD-questions, FreeBSD-chat. I am pretty > sure he hit all three of them prompting me write something cheeky in > -chat. I could be (read probably am) wrong about this. I got four copies: chat, current, hackers and stable. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 06:24:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA15768 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:24:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shemp.palomine.net (shemp.palomine.net [205.198.88.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA15763 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:24:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjohnson@palomine.net) Received: (qmail 21468 invoked by uid 1000); 26 Oct 1998 14:24:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19981026092410.A21450@palomine.net> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:24:10 -0500 From: Chris Johnson To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Subscribe Hall of Fame (Shame?) References: <19981026173204.K16609@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Jason C. Wells on Sun, Oct 25, 1998 at 11:45:41PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Oct 25, 1998 at 11:45:41PM -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: > On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > > >Actually, he was just testing Jonathan's "don't copy more than two > >mailing lists" code. You may have noticed that it works. > > Hmmm. I wish I was paying closer attention. Pine checks my mail boxes in > this order: FreeBSD-stable, FreeBSD-questions, FreeBSD-chat. I am pretty > sure he hit all three of them prompting me write something cheeky in > -chat. I could be (read probably am) wrong about this. I got just two copies, even though I'm subscribed to at least five of the lists he posted that message to (not including the ones he wouldn't have been able to post to, like freebsd-announce). So it looks like Jonathan's code anti-crosspost code works. Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 06:28:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA16195 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:28:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA16190 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:28:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA26527; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:27:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:27:32 -0500 (EST) From: jack To: Greg Lehey cc: "Jason C. Wells" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Subscribe Hall of Fame (Shame?) In-Reply-To: <19981026173204.K16609@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > > (I am jesting here because I am certain that you will get less pleasant > > replies then mine. It's OK. The ribbing you get will be temporary.) But his name will be in .procmailrc forever. :) > > Actually, he was just testing Jonathan's "don't copy more than two > mailing lists" code. You may have noticed that it works. I noticed that it didn't work. :( I got his message in hackers, chat, stable, current and questions. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 06:55:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18862 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:55:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA18847 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:55:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id JKQNZIEJ; Mon, 26 Oct 98 14:54:19 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981026155410.0095d7e0@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:54:10 +0100 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: chickenbean.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You probably all noticed the chickenbean.com post. Since it was written with MS Outlook, crossposted to all the lists, rather than being sent to Majordomo, and contained all(?) the lists, I would suggest this person be added to the filter, as this is probably an attempt at gathering e-mail adresses for later spamming. A suggestion (no, I did not include patches ;) would be to add some kind of mechanism to Majordomo to force manual verification of people who do suspicious subscriptions (such as the -newbies, -current, -hackers combo, all subscribed in the course of very little time). The volume should be pretty low, I would assume? (ps! not subscribed to -chat) --- Marius Bendiksen, IT-Trainee, ScanCall AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 07:05:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA19629 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:05:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA19621 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:05:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id CAA02371; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 02:04:28 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19981027020424.12210@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 02:04:24 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Marius Bendiksen Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: chickenbean.com References: <3.0.5.32.19981026155410.0095d7e0@mail.scancall.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981026155410.0095d7e0@mail.scancall.no>; from Marius Bendiksen on Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 03:54:10PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 03:54:10PM +0100, Marius Bendiksen wrote: > You probably all noticed the chickenbean.com post. > > Since it was written with MS Outlook, crossposted to all the lists, rather > than being sent to Majordomo, and contained all(?) the lists, I would > suggest this person be added to the filter, as this is probably an attempt > at gathering e-mail adresses for later spamming. > > A suggestion (no, I did not include patches ;) would be to add some kind of > mechanism to Majordomo to force manual verification of people who do > suspicious subscriptions (such as the -newbies, -current, -hackers combo, > all subscribed in the course of very little time). The volume should be > pretty low, I would assume? Sheesh! How many of you have never ever made a mistake when trying something for the first time? Maybe the unwashed masses out there are not trying to get at you, but trying to be like you, poor misguided souls that they are. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 07:08:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA19782 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:08:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA19776 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:08:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id JKQRZJYJ; Mon, 26 Oct 98 15:07:31 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981026160722.0097f170@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:07:22 +0100 To: Sue Blake From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: Re: chickenbean.com Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981027020424.12210@welearn.com.au> References: <3.0.5.32.19981026155410.0095d7e0@mail.scancall.no> <3.0.5.32.19981026155410.0095d7e0@mail.scancall.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Sheesh! How many of you have never ever made a mistake when trying >something for the first time? >Maybe the unwashed masses out there are not trying to get at you, but >trying to be like you, poor misguided souls that they are. Mistake?? Considering how he had to get the list adresses somewhere, that place probably gave him instructions on how to subscribe. Besides which, he subscribed to all the lists in a single message using outlook. To me, that smacks of a spammer trying to get mail adresses. --- Marius Bendiksen, IT-Trainee, ScanCall AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 07:15:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20402 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:15:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20396 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:15:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id CAA02445; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 02:14:48 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19981027021445.61890@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 02:14:45 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Marius Bendiksen Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: chickenbean.com References: <3.0.5.32.19981026155410.0095d7e0@mail.scancall.no> <3.0.5.32.19981026155410.0095d7e0@mail.scancall.no> <19981027020424.12210@welearn.com.au> <3.0.5.32.19981026160722.0097f170@mail.scancall.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981026160722.0097f170@mail.scancall.no>; from Marius Bendiksen on Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 04:07:22PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 04:07:22PM +0100, Marius Bendiksen wrote: > >Sheesh! How many of you have never ever made a mistake when trying > >something for the first time? > > >Maybe the unwashed masses out there are not trying to get at you, but > >trying to be like you, poor misguided souls that they are. > > Mistake?? Yes. Surely you've made one or two. > Considering how he had to get the list adresses somewhere, that place > probably gave him instructions on how to subscribe. > > Besides which, he subscribed to all the lists in a single message using > outlook. > > To me, that smacks of a spammer trying to get mail adresses. Fine. Then I'm a spammer too. And so's anyone who's ever got confused about majordomo. You've never hosted mailing lists, have you :-) No, it'd cost you a fortune in Freud Pills. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 07:23:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20836 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:23:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (jason05.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20831 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:23:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul3.u.washington.edu (root@saul3.u.washington.edu [140.142.83.1]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id HAA43304 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:23:15 -0800 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id HAA25252 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:23:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:22:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: chickenbean.com In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981026160722.0097f170@mail.scancall.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Marius Bendiksen wrote: >>Sheesh! How many of you have never ever made a mistake when trying >>something for the first time? An admin at the UW who has been known to haunt the FreeBSD lists once told me this in regard to computing. Assume error and lack of skill until you can prove malice. This is a guy who has 50,000 users. Almost all of them are new to unix when they come to UW. I will run on his assumption. Beside, there are easier and more fruitful ways to glean email adresses. Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 07:27:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20993 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:27:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20987 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:27:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from fenja.ifi.uio.no (2602@fenja.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.174]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id QAA12354; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:26:18 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by fenja.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:26:17 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Marius Bendiksen Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: chickenbean.com References: <3.0.5.32.19981026155410.0095d7e0@mail.scancall.no> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 26 Oct 1998 16:26:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: Marius Bendiksen's message of "Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:54:10 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA20989 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marius Bendiksen writes: > Since it was written with MS Outlook, crossposted to all the lists, rather > than being sent to Majordomo, and contained all(?) the lists, I would > suggest this person be added to the filter, as this is probably an attempt > at gathering e-mail adresses for later spamming. Cut the paranoid crap, will you? DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 07:36:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21497 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:36:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA21476 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:36:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id JKQYMNIJ; Mon, 26 Oct 98 15:35:25 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981026163516.0097e780@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:35:16 +0100 To: Sue Blake From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: Re: chickenbean.com Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981027021445.61890@welearn.com.au> References: <3.0.5.32.19981026160722.0097f170@mail.scancall.no> <3.0.5.32.19981026155410.0095d7e0@mail.scancall.no> <3.0.5.32.19981026155410.0095d7e0@mail.scancall.no> <19981027020424.12210@welearn.com.au> <3.0.5.32.19981026160722.0097f170@mail.scancall.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Yes. Surely you've made one or two. Of course, I have. >Fine. Then I'm a spammer too. And so's anyone who's ever got confused >about majordomo. You've never hosted mailing lists, have you :-) >No, it'd cost you a fortune in Freud Pills. So, you subscribed to all the mailing lists in one batch in an incorrect manner? Hmm.. seems my idea about manual verification was a good idea, so we wouldn't filter you ;) --- Marius Bendiksen, IT-Trainee, ScanCall AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 07:41:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21925 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:41:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.scancall.no (www.scancall.no [195.139.183.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA21915 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:41:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Marius.Bendiksen@scancall.no) Received: from super2.langesund.scancall.no [195.139.183.29] by www with smtp id JKQZQRBJ; Mon, 26 Oct 98 15:40:23 GMT (PowerWeb version 4.04r6) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981026164014.00960490@mail.scancall.no> X-Sender: Marius@mail.scancall.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 16:40:14 +0100 To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) From: Marius Bendiksen Subject: Okay. I give up! (Was: Re: chickenbean.com) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.5.32.19981026155410.0095d7e0@mail.scancall.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Cut the paranoid crap, will you? :) Okay. I give up. I tried posting this to -chat to avoid having to bother about a zillion replies, and to avoid having to worry too much about making a paranoid fool of myself. Seems I misjudged ;). I'll stop complaining. EOD. (Filtering to /dev/null) --- Marius Bendiksen, IT-Trainee, ScanCall AS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 07:47:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA22638 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:47:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22632 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:47:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id CAA02576; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 02:47:11 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19981027024707.15735@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 02:47:07 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: chickenbean.com References: <3.0.5.32.19981026160722.0097f170@mail.scancall.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Jason C. Wells on Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 07:22:56AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 07:22:56AM -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: > On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Marius Bendiksen wrote: > > >>Sheesh! How many of you have never ever made a mistake when trying > >>something for the first time? > > An admin at the UW who has been known to haunt the FreeBSD lists once told > me this in regard to computing. > > Assume error and lack of skill until you can prove malice. > > This is a guy who has 50,000 users. Almost all of them are new to unix > when they come to UW. I will run on his assumption. > > Beside, there are easier and more fruitful ways to glean email adresses. I got a polite note from an ISP a few years ago, asking me if I needed the root password for some good reason to let him know why, and I didn't understand what he was on about or why he used so many smileys (Huh? what's a root password? Why would I want to see the / directory?). Apparently my many attempts to access my second account there without providing its userID before hitting Enter had come to his attention :-) And I still make that mistake occasionally. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 07:55:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23357 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:55:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23341 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:55:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id CAA02611; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 02:54:23 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19981027025420.07156@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 02:54:20 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Marius Bendiksen Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: chickenbean.com References: <3.0.5.32.19981026160722.0097f170@mail.scancall.no> <3.0.5.32.19981026155410.0095d7e0@mail.scancall.no> <3.0.5.32.19981026155410.0095d7e0@mail.scancall.no> <19981027020424.12210@welearn.com.au> <3.0.5.32.19981026160722.0097f170@mail.scancall.no> <19981027021445.61890@welearn.com.au> <3.0.5.32.19981026163516.0097e780@mail.scancall.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981026163516.0097e780@mail.scancall.no>; from Marius Bendiksen on Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 04:35:16PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 04:35:16PM +0100, Marius Bendiksen wrote: > >Yes. Surely you've made one or two. > > Of course, I have. > > >Fine. Then I'm a spammer too. And so's anyone who's ever got confused > >about majordomo. You've never hosted mailing lists, have you :-) > >No, it'd cost you a fortune in Freud Pills. > > So, you subscribed to all the mailing lists in one batch in an incorrect > manner? > > Hmm.. seems my idea about manual verification was a good idea, so we > wouldn't filter you ;) Nyaaa-haaa, too late! I've just subscribed to them all. You'll never get rid of me now :-) Just a matter of sitting back and watching all those luscious email addresses come floating by from now on... wow, soon I'll be the richest spammer on earth! Thanks for the tip :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 08:52:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA28348 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:52:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28336 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:52:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA01303; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:51:20 -0600 (CST) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id KAA12462; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:50:48 -0600 Message-ID: <19981026105048.21566@right.PCS> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:50:48 -0600 From: Jonathan Lemon To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav_?= Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , Greg Lehey , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Subscribe Hall of Fame (Shame?) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzpr9vve74x=2Efsf=40fenja=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B_from_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav__on_Oct_10=2C_1998_at_03=3A21?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3A18PM_+0100?= Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Oct 10, 1998 at 03:21:18PM +0100, Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav wrote: > "Jason C. Wells" writes: > > On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > Actually, he was just testing Jonathan's "don't copy more than two > > > mailing lists" code. You may have noticed that it works. > > Hmmm. I wish I was paying closer attention. Pine checks my mail boxes in > > this order: FreeBSD-stable, FreeBSD-questions, FreeBSD-chat. I am pretty > > sure he hit all three of them prompting me write something cheeky in > > -chat. I could be (read probably am) wrong about this. > > I got four copies: chat, current, hackers and stable. You guys actually keep track? -- Jonathan (Thwaaping 'd','d','d','d','d','d','d','d','d',......) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 08:55:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA28536 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:55:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28528 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:55:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lynch@rush.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01408; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:53:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lynch@rush.net) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:53:47 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Lynch To: Sue Blake cc: "Jason C. Wells" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: chickenbean.com In-Reply-To: <19981027024707.15735@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ahahah , that is cute, I'm sure even *I've* done that a few times. ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 07:22:56AM -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Marius Bendiksen wrote: > > > > >>Sheesh! How many of you have never ever made a mistake when trying > > >>something for the first time? > > > > An admin at the UW who has been known to haunt the FreeBSD lists once told > > me this in regard to computing. > > > > Assume error and lack of skill until you can prove malice. > > > > This is a guy who has 50,000 users. Almost all of them are new to unix > > when they come to UW. I will run on his assumption. > > > > Beside, there are easier and more fruitful ways to glean email adresses. > > I got a polite note from an ISP a few years ago, asking me if I needed > the root password for some good reason to let him know why, and I > didn't understand what he was on about or why he used so many smileys > (Huh? what's a root password? Why would I want to see the / directory?). > Apparently my many attempts to access my second account there without > providing its userID before hitting Enter had come to his attention :-) > > And I still make that mistake occasionally. > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNjSpHsGd9jPuKvqVAQGHCgP8Cev/EhsQKEFmNKi3iENZQMuOnR3ifIdr chC/GGQgKEQpzuK5Au/deuUV4CGsmuaUA87s//5mtmfTNLeT9OyR+7zzjlE6KHOT VPEW/U+yMyBA46NieVU5NwI6jQs75VGvzLPucC3s264DDhPvKH+TF4dcAngJgSfi SotPTD8cEs0= =ialU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 08:57:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA28743 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:57:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28737 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:57:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id RAA26383; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:57:01 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:57:00 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake Cc: Marius Bendiksen , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: chickenbean.com References: <3.0.5.32.19981026160722.0097f170@mail.scancall.no> <3.0.5.32.19981026155410.0095d7e0@mail.scancall.no> <3.0.5.32.19981026155410.0095d7e0@mail.scancall.no> <19981027020424.12210@welearn.com.au> <3.0.5.32.19981026160722.0097f170@mail.scancall.no> <19981027021445.61890@welearn.com.au> <3.0.5.32.19981026163516.0097e780@mail.scancall.no> <19981027025420.07156@welearn.com.au> Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 26 Oct 1998 17:56:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: Sue Blake's message of "Tue, 27 Oct 1998 02:54:20 +1100" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id IAA28739 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake writes: > Just a matter of sitting back and watching all those luscious email > addresses come floating by from now on... wow, soon I'll be the richest > spammer on earth! Thanks for the tip :-) I *knew* Sue was too good to be true... DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - dag-erli@ifi.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 09:12:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29937 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:12:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.webnology.com (mercury.webnology.com [209.155.51.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29931 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:12:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jooji@webnology.com) Received: from localhost (jooji@localhost) by mercury.webnology.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA31799; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:16:53 -0600 (envelope-from jooji@webnology.com) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:16:53 -0600 (CST) From: "Jasper O'Malley" To: "Jason C. Wells" cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: chickenbean.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Jason C. Wells wrote: > Assume error and lack of skill until you can prove malice. Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. Cheers, Mick The Reverend Jasper P. O'Malley dotdot:jooji@webnology.com Systems Administrator ringring:asktheadmiral Webnology, LLC woowoo:http://www.webnology.com/~jooji To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 09:19:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00774 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:19:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (jason04.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00761 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:19:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul4.u.washington.edu (root@saul4.u.washington.edu [140.142.83.2]) by jason04.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id JAA32650; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:18:54 -0800 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id JAA06201; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:18:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:18:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: "Jasper O'Malley" cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: chickenbean.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Jasper O'Malley wrote: >On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Jason C. Wells wrote: > >> Assume error and lack of skill until you can prove malice. > >Hanlon's Razor: > > Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained > by stupidity. Yes yes. I do believe that was it. Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 09:33:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02183 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:33:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02174 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:33:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01462; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:32:42 -0600 (CST) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id LAA18989; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:32:11 -0600 Message-ID: <19981026113211.50449@right.PCS> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:32:11 -0600 From: Jonathan Lemon To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: "Jasper O'Malley" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: chickenbean.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 In-Reply-To: ; from Jason C. Wells on Oct 10, 1998 at 09:18:35AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Oct 10, 1998 at 09:18:35AM -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: > On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Jasper O'Malley wrote: > > >On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Jason C. Wells wrote: > > > >> Assume error and lack of skill until you can prove malice. > > > >Hanlon's Razor: > > > > Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained > > by stupidity. > > Yes yes. I do believe that was it. Which is probably just an extension of Occam's Razor: Prefer the simplest hypothesis that fits the data. (assuming that stupidity is a simpler explanation than malice). BTW, what is it with all these razors? Some preoccupation with the macabre? -- Jonathan (who has a beard, and thus has no use for razors) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 11:07:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09695 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:07:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09687 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:07:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkb@shell6.ba.best.com) Received: (from jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) id LAA08197; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:06:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19981026110609.E4314@best.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:06:09 -0800 From: "Jan B. Koum " To: charlespeters@chickenbean.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm a bone head with no excuse! References: <000101be0110$22ee4e20$c8730418@ci1000971-d.sptnbrg1.sc.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <000101be0110$22ee4e20$c8730418@ci1000971-d.sptnbrg1.sc.home.com>; from Charles A. Peters on Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 01:40:41PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ redirected to -chat] On Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 01:40:41PM -0500, "Charles A. Peters" wrote: > To the thousands of users who I recently offended by > sending a subscribe request for several mailing list > to each of the mailing list that I wanted to subscribe > to, instead of sending them to majordome@freebsd.org, > I apologize. > > The excuse that I have, while it is valid, does not > excuse my stupidity. I should have given some thought > to what I was sending out, and where I was sending it > before I pressed the send button. > > I have been flamed to the point that I am well done > and ready to serve. > > I will now officially be changing my name to "The > Nefarious Charles A. Peters". I will also graciously > accept my distinguished appointment to the "FreeBSD > Hall of Shame", an honor that I DO richly deserve! > > That being said, Forgive Me, I'll try and think before > clicking the send button. Keep up the good work! > > > Sincerely, > > The Nefarious Charles A. Peters > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message Ok, to be now completely forgiven you must convert 100 Microsoft users to FreeBSD and 5 Linux users. *grin* -- Yan I don't have the password .... + Jan Koum But the path is chainlinked .. | Spelled Jan, pronounced Yan. There. So if you've got the time .... | Web: http://www.best.com/~jkb Set the tone to sync ......... + OS: http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 11:29:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11936 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:29:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ceia.nordier.com (m2-9-dbn.dial-up.net [196.34.155.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11930 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:29:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rnordier@nordier.com) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by ceia.nordier.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA00337; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:28:10 +0200 (SAT) From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199810261928.VAA00337@ceia.nordier.com> Subject: Re: chickenbean.com In-Reply-To: <19981026113211.50449@right.PCS> from Jonathan Lemon at "Oct 26, 98 11:32:11 am" To: jlemon@americantv.com (Jonathan Lemon) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:28:08 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jonathan Lemon wrote: > On Oct 10, 1998 at 09:18:35AM -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Jasper O'Malley wrote: > > > > >On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Jason C. Wells wrote: > > > > > >> Assume error and lack of skill until you can prove malice. > > > > > >Hanlon's Razor: > > > > > > Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained > > > by stupidity. > > > > Yes yes. I do believe that was it. > > Which is probably just an extension of Occam's Razor: > > Prefer the simplest hypothesis that fits the data. > > (assuming that stupidity is a simpler explanation than malice). What Occam actually ever said was fairly dull: "Plurality is never to be posited without need". This is usually expressed as "Entities are not to be multiplied beyond necessity" (or in some formal logic "Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem") which doesn't sound much better. > > BTW, what is it with all these razors? Some preoccupation with the macabre? A reminder that logic or even thinking can be a dangerous business? The most famous logician of the Middle Ages, Abelard (~200 years before Occam), was deprived of some *erhm* rather useful parts of his anatomy for marrying a pupil of his, Heloise. Occam himself was excommunicated, and died of the Black Death. -- Robert Nordier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 14:34:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01573 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:34:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01567 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:34:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkb@shell6.ba.best.com) Received: (from jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) id OAA21142; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:32:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19981026143226.C18834@best.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 14:32:27 -0800 From: "Jan B. Koum " To: Drew Baxter , Dave Chapeskie Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XL0 References: <4.1.0.67.19981022124020.00ad2100@genesis.ispace.com> <4.1.0.67.19981022124020.00ad2100@genesis.ispace.com> <98Oct26.110114est.115594@gateway.borderware.com> <4.1.19981026145333.00b06100@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981026145333.00b06100@genesis.ispace.com>; from Drew Baxter on Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 02:54:04PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 02:54:04PM -0500, Drew Baxter wrote: > Well at least it isn't "Card has caught on fire, contact local fire > prevention immediately".. That must be Error 28, I always get those mixed > up :) > > At 10:44 AM 10/26/98 -0500, Dave Chapeskie wrote: > >On Thu, Oct 22, 1998 at 12:43:17PM -0400, Drew Baxter wrote: > >> > xl0: transmission error: 82 > >[repeats] > >> Hah. Not funny. From "man 4 ep" we read: ep0: 3c509 in test mode. Erase pencil mark! This means that someone has scribbled with pencil in the test area on the card. Erase the pencil mark and reboot. (This is not a joke). -- Yan I don't have the password .... + Jan Koum But the path is chainlinked .. | Spelled Jan, pronounced Yan. There. So if you've got the time .... | Web: http://www.best.com/~jkb Set the tone to sync ......... + OS: http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 26 18:01:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23836 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:01:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23828 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:01:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA12215; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:31:01 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA22870; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:30:56 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981027123056.G20920@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:30:56 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Marius Bendiksen , Sue Blake Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: chickenbean.com References: <3.0.5.32.19981026155410.0095d7e0@mail.scancall.no> <3.0.5.32.19981026155410.0095d7e0@mail.scancall.no> <19981027020424.12210@welearn.com.au> <3.0.5.32.19981026160722.0097f170@mail.scancall.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981026160722.0097f170@mail.scancall.no>; from Marius Bendiksen on Mon, Oct 26, 1998 at 04:07:22PM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, 26 October 1998 at 16:07:22 +0100, Marius Bendiksen wrote: >> Sheesh! How many of you have never ever made a mistake when trying >> something for the first time? > >> Maybe the unwashed masses out there are not trying to get at you, but >> trying to be like you, poor misguided souls that they are. > > Mistake?? > > Considering how he had to get the list adresses somewhere, that place > probably gave him instructions on how to subscribe. > > Besides which, he subscribed to all the lists in a single message using > outlook. > > To me, that smacks of a spammer trying to get mail adresses. I've had prior communication with this guy. I don't think he's a spammer. "Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity". Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 27 22:30:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24633 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:30:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24627; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:30:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from saul9.u.washington.edu (root@saul9.u.washington.edu [140.142.82.7]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id WAA51744; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:29:37 -0800 Received: from S8-37-26.student.washington.edu (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by saul9.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id WAA16930; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:29:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:29:17 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jason@s8-37-26.student.washington.edu Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: FreeBSD-chat cc: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: First SPAM prosecution in Washington State Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The Project.Manager email is curious. It states compliance with new bill (not law) of some unknown governing authority's unknown law book. I smell HOAX all over it. It reminded me of something though. The State of Washington is prosecuting a spammer under our new anti-spam law. The penalty can be as much as 2,000 USD per email sent. One of the items needed is a legitimate return email adress. Let me ask you, Is Project.Manager@freebsd.org a legitimate address? (I really doubt it but must ask.) If not, then this spammer might be prosecuted under Washington State Law. This would be interesting to see how our law handles "mailing lists". Since I am a resident of Washington, every single spammer who hits FreeBSD-whatever could face charges. Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 27 22:40:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA25318 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:40:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA25273; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:39:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA16901; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:09:16 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id RAA01164; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:09:12 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981028170912.Y25247@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:09:12 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "Jason C. Wells" , FreeBSD-chat Cc: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: First SPAM prosecution in Washington State References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Jason C. Wells on Tue, Oct 27, 1998 at 10:29:17PM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 27 October 1998 at 22:29:17 -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: > The Project.Manager email is curious. It states compliance with new bill > (not law) of some unknown governing authority's unknown law book. I smell > HOAX all over it. I don't know if I'd call it a hoax. It looks more like a forgery to me. > It reminded me of something though. > > The State of Washington is prosecuting a spammer under our new anti-spam > law. The penalty can be as much as 2,000 USD per email sent. > > One of the items needed is a legitimate return email adress. Let me ask > you, Is Project.Manager@freebsd.org a legitimate address? (I really doubt > it but must ask.) No, of course not. > If not, then this spammer might be prosecuted under Washington State Law. > This would be interesting to see how our law handles "mailing lists". > Since I am a resident of Washington, every single spammer who hits > FreeBSD-whatever could face charges. Go for it. I was considering trying to determine whether they were their own ISP, but I haven't got round to it. Look carefully at the headers. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 27 22:40:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA25348 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:40:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles237.castles.com [208.214.165.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA25339; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:40:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00998; Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:39:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810280639.WAA00998@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jason C. Wells" cc: FreeBSD-chat , jmb@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: First SPAM prosecution in Washington State In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:29:17 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:39:39 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The Project.Manager email is curious. It states compliance with new bill > (not law) of some unknown governing authority's unknown law book. I smell > HOAX all over it. It's a common tactic, referring to the probably soon-to-be-passed legislation here which will make spam about as legitimate as physical junk mail. The Direct Marketting Association have lots of lobbying capital. > It reminded me of something though. > > The State of Washington is prosecuting a spammer under our new anti-spam > law. The penalty can be as much as 2,000 USD per email sent. > > One of the items needed is a legitimate return email adress. Let me ask > you, Is Project.Manager@freebsd.org a legitimate address? (I really doubt > it but must ask.) No, it's not. I didn't study the headers carefully, but I believe it also fails in that it made some attempt to conceal the true origins of the message. > If not, then this spammer might be prosecuted under Washington State Law. > This would be interesting to see how our law handles "mailing lists". > Since I am a resident of Washington, every single spammer who hits > FreeBSD-whatever could face charges. I believe there's probably a case there. The act of delivering to the list@freebsd.org address counts as delivering to you, a Washington State resident; the law doesn't, to the best of my knowledge, stipulate where the mail has to be held, merely to whom it is sent and the fashion and form in which it is sent. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 28 02:09:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA12258 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 02:09:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA12236 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 02:09:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no (2602@hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.130]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id LAA29367 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:08:40 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hindarfjell.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:08:39 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [rec.humor.funny.reruns] UNIX for the PC Organization: University of Oslo, Department of Informatics X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-other-addresses: 'finger dag-erli@ifi.uio.no' for a list X-disclaimer-1: The views expressed in this article are mine alone, and do X-disclaimer-2: not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or X-disclaimer-3: company with which I am or have been affiliated. X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org/ From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling C. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 28 Oct 1998 11:08:37 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 108 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Newsgroups: rec.humor.funny.reruns From: ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) Subject: UNIX for the PC Keywords: funny, computers, original, originally appeared in fourth quarter, 1993 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 7:20:00 PST >>Attribution: ME (original, with a little help from my friends) In order for UNIX(tm) to survive into the nineties, it must get rid of its intimidating commands and outmoded jargon, and become compatible with the existing standards of our day. To this end, our technicians have come up with a new version of UNIX, System VI, for use by the PC - that is, the "Politically Correct." Politically Correct UNIX System VI Release notes UTILITIES "man" pages are now called "person" pages. Similarly, "hangman" is now the "person_executed_by_an_oppressive_regime." To avoid casting aspersions on our feline friends, the "cat" command is now merely "domestic_quadruped." To date, there has only been a UNIX command for "yes" - reflecting the male belief that women always mean yes, even when they say no. To address this imbalance, System VI adds a "no" command, along with a "-f[orce]" option which will crash the entire system if the "no" is ignored. The bias of the "mail" command is obvious, and it has been replaced by the more neutral "gendre" command. The "touch" command has been removed from the standard distribution due to its inappropriate use by high-level managers. "compress" has been replaced by the lightweight "feather" command. Thus, old information (such as that from Dead White European Males) should be archived via "tar" and "feather". The "more" command reflects the materialistic philosophy of the Reagan era. System VI uses the environmentally preferable "less" command. The biodegradable "KleeNeX" displaces the environmentally unfriendly "LaTeX". SHELL COMMANDS: To avoid unpleasant, medieval connotations, the "kill" command has been renamed "euthanise." The "nice" command was historically used by privileged users to give themselves priority over unprivileged ones, by telling them to be "nice". In System VI, the "sue" command is used by unprivileged users to get for themselves the rights enjoyed by privileged ones. "history" has been completely rewritten, and is now called "herstory." "quota" can now specify minimum as well as maximum usage, and will be strictly enforced. The "abort()" function is now called "choice()." TERMINOLOGY >From now on, "rich text" will be more accurately referred to as "exploitive capitalist text". The term "daemons" is a Judeo-Christian pejorative. Such processes will now be known as "spiritual guides." There will no longer be a invidious distinction between "dumb" and "smart" terminals. All terminals are equally valuable. Traditionally, "normal video" (as opposed to "reverse video") was white on black. This implicitly condoned European colonialism, particularly with respect to people of African descent. UNIX System VI now uses "regressive video" to refer to white on black, while "progressive video" can be any color at all over a white background. For far too long, power has been concentrated in the hands of "root" and his "wheel" oligarchy. We have instituted a dictatorship of the users. All system administration functions will be handled by the People's Committee for Democratically Organizing the System (PC-DOS). No longer will it be permissible for files and processes to be "owned" by users. All files and processes will own themselves, and decided how (or whether) to respond to requests from users. The X Window System will henceforth be known as the NC-17 Window System. And finally, UNIX itself will be renamed "PC" - for Procreatively Challenged. ---- UNIX(tm) is a trademark of UNIX System Laboratories. Any similarty of names or attitudes to that of any person, living or dead, is purely coincidental. -- >From the RHF archives as selected by Brad Templeton, Maddi Hausmann and Jim Griffith. This newsgroup posts former jokes from the newsgroup rec.humor.funny. Web users, you can read a random joke from the archives just by bookmarking http://www.netfunny.com/cgi-bin/randomurl/rhf/jokes/masterlist ------- End of forwarded message ------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 28 03:15:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA17645 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 03:15:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA17637; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 03:15:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA02089; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:13:51 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:13:51 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Mikael Karpberg cc: freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [?big5?] In-Reply-To: <199810281014.LAA05531@ocean.campus.luth.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Let's take this to -chat, OK? On Wed, 28 Oct 1998, Mikael Karpberg wrote: > According to Andrew McNaughton: > > Several non-English mailing lists are also available: > > [snip] > > > > So where does one go I wonder with a security issue if one speaks > > taiwanese but not english? > > To school and learn English. > The real question is - *if* he does not speak english at all, not even enought to word his security related question, then how did he manage to operate it in the first place? > /Mikael > Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 28 05:53:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02099 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 05:53:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA02093; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 05:53:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4031.ime.net [209.90.195.41]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id IAA02839; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:52:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.19981028084621.00a71b30@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:51:32 -0500 To: "Jason C. Wells" , FreeBSD-chat From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: First SPAM prosecution in Washington State Cc: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well there's an interesting law that went in under the illegal changing of telephone service. Something about SPAM can be allowed providing the persons name address and phone number are in the upper body of the message. I still reported the guys ass anyway, but the paperwork was on file at the FCC or senate.gov, and looks legit (at a glance anyway). At 10:29 PM 10/27/98 -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: >The Project.Manager email is curious. It states compliance with new bill >(not law) of some unknown governing authority's unknown law book. I smell >HOAX all over it. > >It reminded me of something though. > >The State of Washington is prosecuting a spammer under our new anti-spam >law. The penalty can be as much as 2,000 USD per email sent. > >One of the items needed is a legitimate return email adress. Let me ask >you, Is Project.Manager@freebsd.org a legitimate address? (I really doubt >it but must ask.) > >If not, then this spammer might be prosecuted under Washington State Law. >This would be interesting to see how our law handles "mailing lists". >Since I am a resident of Washington, every single spammer who hits >FreeBSD-whatever could face charges. > >Catchya Later, | UW Mechanical Engineering >Jason Wells | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~jcwells/ > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us My Latest Kernel: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT (ONEEX) #14: Mon Oct 19 22:36:58 EDT 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 28 12:06:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10154 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:06:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com [205.162.1.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10124 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:06:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jas@flyingfox.com) Received: (from jas@localhost) by biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id NAA03485; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:02:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:02:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199810282102.NAA03485@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> To: john@unt.edu, wes@softweyr.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD multi security (babelfish on the web translation) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810281926.NAA23973@leonardo.cascss.unt.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [off -security, onto -chat.] john writes: > You may check out http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/ > It handles translation from/to some laguages and English. > > French, German, Italian, Portuguese, and Spanish. > > It worked well on a German GPF error I had in an application and > I know a few people that have used the German - English > option with success. Heh. Neat. Let's see how it handles a bit of Rilke's autumnal verse: Wer jetzt kein Haus hat, baut sich keines mehr. Wer jetzt allein ist, wird es lange bleiben, Wird wachen, lesen, lange Briefe schreiben, Und wird in den Alleen hin und her Unruhig wandern, wenn die Blaetter treiben. This turns into: Who has now no house, no more builds itself. **time-out** who now alone be, will it for a long time remain, will be awake, read, long letter write, and will in the avenue back and forth jerky move, if the page drive. I read this roughly as: Winter is coming. Stock up on RAM now, lest you suffer excessive paging (the "page drive ... back and forth jerky move".) Now back to work. Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 28 18:31:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14435 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:31:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14428 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:31:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4021.ime.net [209.90.195.31]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id VAA03463 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:31:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.19981028212645.00a66a50@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:30:12 -0500 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: NAT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've got a NAT Question, hoping someone's used it enough to be able to help me out.. Nat doesn't work. Here's my config stuff. /etc/rc.ipfw contains this to run Nat: natd -s -n fxp1 -l -m IPfw show is: 04000 152 21539 allow udp from any to any 05000 0 0 allow icmp from 209.63.182.0/24 to 209.63.182.0/24 05500 503 35414 allow tcp from any to any 05750 0 0 allow udp from any to any 06000 0 0 divert 8668 ip from 192.168.0.0/24 to any out xmit fxp1 06500 0 0 divert 8668 ip from any to 192.168.0.0/24 in recv fxp1 65000 0 0 allow ip from any to any 65535 4 264 deny ip from any to any ifconfig -a shows: fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 209.63.182.99 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 209.63.182.255 ether 00:a0:c9:af:8c:90 media: autoselect supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP fxp1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 ether 00:a0:c9:b4:e1:04 media: autoselect supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP -------- Soo.. what am I doing wrong? I do a ping to 192.168.0.5 and it's 1.something ms, so that works fine.. I have gateway running, and divert is enabled in the kernel.. --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us My Latest Kernel: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT (ONEEX) #14: Mon Oct 19 22:36:58 EDT 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 29 01:18:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA25905 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 01:18:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.wan (trltech.demon.co.uk [194.222.7.191]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA25898 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 01:18:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard@jezebel.demon.co.uk) Received: from jezebel.demon.co.uk (rdls.dhcp.sw.wan [192.9.201.75]) by ns.wan (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04703; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:18:32 GMT (envelope-from richard@jezebel.demon.co.uk) Message-ID: <36383336.EE1E2F78@jezebel.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:19:50 +0000 From: Richard Smith Organization: http://www.trltech.co.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Drew Baxter CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NAT References: <4.1.19981028212645.00a66a50@genesis.ispace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Drew Baxter wrote: > > I've got a NAT Question, hoping someone's used it enough to be able to help > me out.. I'm no expert, but I *do* have a NAT that works ;-) > Nat doesn't work. Here's my config stuff. > > /etc/rc.ipfw contains this to run Nat: > natd -s -n fxp1 -l -m > IPfw show is: > 04000 152 21539 allow udp from any to any > 05000 0 0 allow icmp from 209.63.182.0/24 to 209.63.182.0/24 > 05500 503 35414 allow tcp from any to any > 05750 0 0 allow udp from any to any > 06000 0 0 divert 8668 ip from 192.168.0.0/24 to any out xmit fxp1 > 06500 0 0 divert 8668 ip from any to 192.168.0.0/24 in recv fxp1 > 65000 0 0 allow ip from any to any > 65535 4 264 deny ip from any to any My guess is that the divert never happens because it is numbered above all the allows. A matching 'allow' rule terminates rule processing for that packet. My divert rule is the lowest numbered rule and is a pretty standard... $fwcmd add divert natd all from any to any via ${fw_oif} HTH HAND richard. > ifconfig -a shows: > fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet 209.63.182.99 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 209.63.182.255 > ether 00:a0:c9:af:8c:90 > media: autoselect > supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX > 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP > fxp1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 > ether 00:a0:c9:b4:e1:04 > media: autoselect > supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX > 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP > -------- > > Soo.. what am I doing wrong? I do a ping to 192.168.0.5 and it's > 1.something ms, so that works fine.. I have gateway running, and divert is > enabled in the kernel.. > > --- > Drew "Droobie" Baxter > Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) > OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 > http://www.droo.orland.me.us > My Latest Kernel: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT (ONEEX) #14: Mon Oct 19 22:36:58 EDT 1998 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- _______________________________________________________________________ Richard Smith Assistant Chief Engineer TRL Technology Limited To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 29 12:36:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18687 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:36:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luomat.peak.org (port-2-ts3-gnv.da.fdt.net [209.212.132.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18677 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:36:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luomat@luomat.peak.org) Message-Id: <199810292028.PAA12818@ocalhost> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Timothy J Luoma Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 15:27:59 -0500 To: sales@wcscnet.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Windows NT Serial Communication Driver cc: abuse@ALTER.NET Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ah... 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Please visit our web site at Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02570 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:53:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02565 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:53:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4014.ime.net [209.90.195.24]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id AAA04977; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:53:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.19981030004243.00a7f5e0@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:43:45 -0500 To: Richard Smith From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: NAT Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <36383336.EE1E2F78@jezebel.demon.co.uk> References: <4.1.19981028212645.00a66a50@genesis.ispace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:19 AM 10/29/98 +0000, Richard Smith wrote: >Drew Baxter wrote: >> >> I've got a NAT Question, hoping someone's used it enough to be able to help >> me out.. > >I'm no expert, but I *do* have a NAT that works ;-) > >> Nat doesn't work. Here's my config stuff. >> >> /etc/rc.ipfw contains this to run Nat: >> natd -s -n fxp1 -l -m >> IPfw show is: >> 04000 152 21539 allow udp from any to any >> 05000 0 0 allow icmp from 209.63.182.0/24 to 209.63.182.0/24 >> 05500 503 35414 allow tcp from any to any >> 05750 0 0 allow udp from any to any >> 06000 0 0 divert 8668 ip from 192.168.0.0/24 to any out xmit fxp1 >> 06500 0 0 divert 8668 ip from any to 192.168.0.0/24 in recv fxp1 >> 65000 0 0 allow ip from any to any >> 65535 4 264 deny ip from any to any > >My guess is that the divert never happens because it is numbered above >all the allows. A matching 'allow' rule terminates rule processing for >that packet. > >My divert rule is the lowest numbered rule and is a pretty standard... > >$fwcmd add divert natd all from any to any via ${fw_oif} > >HTH HAND >richard. > >> ifconfig -a shows: >> fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 >> inet 209.63.182.99 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 209.63.182.255 >> ether 00:a0:c9:af:8c:90 >> media: autoselect >> supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX >> 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP >> fxp1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 >> inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 >> ether 00:a0:c9:b4:e1:04 >> media: autoselect >> supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX >> 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP >> -------- >> >> Soo.. what am I doing wrong? I do a ping to 192.168.0.5 and it's >> 1.something ms, so that works fine.. I have gateway running, and divert is >> enabled in the kernel.. >> >> --- >> Drew "Droobie" Baxter >> Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) >> OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 >> http://www.droo.orland.me.us >> My Latest Kernel: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT (ONEEX) #14: Mon Oct 19 22:36:58 EDT >1998 >> Ok that fixed that problem. My problem wasn't in routing at all, I just thought it was broken because I have a TCP issue. If I have the divert natd remark in my ipfw, I can't telnet into the box. But it does answer to pings, etc. Sooo how do I fix it so that my machine will take in telnets and things like that still? --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us My Latest Kernel: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT (ONEEX) #14: Mon Oct 19 22:36:58 EDT 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 29 22:12:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03726 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:12:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from poseidon.host4u.net (poseidon.host4u.net [209.150.128.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03721 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:12:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan.langille@dvl-software.com) Received: from wocker (210-55-210-87.ipnets.xtra.co.nz [210.55.210.87]) by poseidon.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA16235; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:12:01 -0600 Message-Id: <199810300612.AAA16235@poseidon.host4u.net> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: Drew Baxter Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:11:52 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: NAT Reply-to: dan.langille@dvl-software.com CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <4.1.19981030004243.00a7f5e0@genesis.ispace.com> References: <36383336.EE1E2F78@jezebel.demon.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 30 Oct 98, at 0:43, Drew Baxter wrote: > If I have the divert natd remark in my ipfw, I can't telnet into the box. > But it does answer to pings, etc. > > Sooo how do I fix it so that my machine will take in telnets and things > like that still? remove all but the basic firewall rules (ie. divert, and accept any from all etc). If you can then telnet, it's a firewall rule issue. Otherwise, we'll look elsewhere. -- Dan Langille DVL Software Limited http://www.racingsystem.com : for race timing solutions To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 29 22:36:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA06238 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:36:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06231 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:36:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id HAA28715; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:30:05 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA18428; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:27:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19981030072749.A18421@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:27:49 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav_?= , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [rec.humor.funny.reruns] UNIX for the PC References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3Cxzpn26hc82i=2Efsf=40hindarfjell=2Eifi=2Euio=2Eno=3E=3B?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_from_Dag-Erling_C=2E_Sm=F8rgrav__on_Wed=2C_Oct_28=2C_199?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?8_at_11:08:37AM_+0100?= X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 28, 1998 at 11:08:37AM +0100, Dag-Erling C. Smørgrav wrote: [...] Great ;-) -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 30 02:36:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA15974 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 02:36:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ninbox.ml.org (hsv1-150.airnet.net [207.242.81.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA15968 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 02:36:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ninbox.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA03116; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 04:34:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <36399620.3E8680D0@airnet.net> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 04:34:08 -0600 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Absolutely None! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Timothy J Luoma CC: sales@wcscnet.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, abuse@ALTER.NET Subject: Re: Windows NT Serial Communication Driver References: <199810292028.PAA12818@ocalhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Timothy J Luoma wrote: > Spamming should be punishable with jailtime and loss of Internet access for > at least 1 year after the spammer is released It suddenly occurs to me that if the courts and police attacked spammers with the zeal and lack of regard they give "hackers" the spammers would probably be without internet access for 10-20 years, in addition to jail time. But I guess only the Secret Service have that influence. -- Kris Kirby UAH Mail UAH CS Home WWW ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 30 06:17:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA13382 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:17:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from TomQNX.tomqnx.com (cpu2745.adsl.bellglobal.com [207.236.55.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA13372 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:17:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@tomqnx.com) Received: by TomQNX.tomqnx.com (Smail3.2 #1) id m0zZFMP-000HytC; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:17:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: From: tom@tomqnx.com (Tom Torrance at home) Subject: Fw: Phone Scam Alert (fwd) To: ptorrance@shl.com, ktorrance@nelson.com, jeanie@tomqnx.com, ai369@rocketmail.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:17:05 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=ELM909757025-7189-0_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ELM909757025-7189-0_ Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: Forwarded message from Alan Landsberg Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from mx1.magmacom.com by TomQNX.tomqnx.com with esmtp (Smail3.2 #1) id m0zZ21H-000HytC; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mag1.magmacom.com (mag1.magmacom.com [206.191.0.210]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA23232; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from zedajal (port38.magma.ca [206.191.5.38]) by mag1.magmacom.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA25711; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:01:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000601be0333$99868d20$2605bfce@zedajal> From: "Alan Landsberg" To: "Youdell Diana -CIDA" , "Yossel" , "David Wright" , "Whelan, Greg" , "Greg Whelan" , "Greg Whelan" , "Valerie Ward" , "George Venner" , "Laurie Van Hoorn" , "Trahan, Dan" , "Tom Torrance" , "Shah, Girish" , "Sansom, Dick" , "Dick Sansom" , "Bill Rutledge" , "Dorothy Riddle" , "Ron Pimblett" , "Todd Pellerin" , "Angela Patterson" , "Cameron Passmore" , "Rita Paleschuck" , "Claire Ouellet" , "Elaine CycleMomma O'Reilly" , "Carol Ann Musser" , "Harold Murdock" , "Mary McWhinney" , "Ray McNeil" , "Susan McMurray" , "Kent McLean" , "Carol and Don McKinley" , "Marvin MacRae" , "Al Malo" , "Otto Magnus" , "Carole Magnus" , "MacNeil, Ray" , "Barbara MacCallum" , "Meg Luxton" , "Lansdowne Outdoor Recreation Park" , "Bruce Lindsay" , "Bill Lidington" , "Ilana Lewis" , "Avi Lewis" , "John & Barb Larocque" , "Stephen @work Landsberg" , "Stephen @home Landsberg" , "Peter Landsberg" , "Michele @ work Landsberg" , "Michele @ home Landsberg" , "Marc David Landsberg" , "John @ work Michael Landsberg" , "John @ home Michael Landsberg" , "David @home Landsberg" , "Landsberg, David" , "Alan Landsberg" , "Leo Klump" , "Harish Kapoor" , "Johnson, Steve" , "Joe & Louise" , "Isabella Bakker" <76602.1251@compuserve.com>, "Enid and Zelig Hurwitz" , "Wally Humphries" , "Jim Humphries" , "John Herzog" , "Stephanie Glassman" , "Diana Fox" , "Bob Fitzsimons" , "Angelo Faria" , "Tom Erickson" , "Lorne Doolan" , "Lawrence Doolan" , "Donna Lee" , "Desruisseaux, Laurent" , "Vic & Fran Charlebois" , "Caspersen, Karen" , "Carriere, Bernard" , "Jan Campbell-Luxton" , "Brian Cahill" , "Peter Businger" , "Francine Burel" , "John David Brondolo" , "Brian and Barbara" , "Maria Booth" , "Tony Boeckh" , "@ UK Bezansons" , "Tim Bezanson" , "Kate @ York Bezanson" , "Dave (MacDonald) Bennett" , "Danielle J. Belanger" , "Mona Barakat" , "George-CSD Arsenijevic" Subject: Fw: Phone Scam Alert Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 06:58:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mx1.magmacom.com id TAA23232 there are so many dopey alarmist messages coming over the internet that i don't pass them on any more unless i have some reason to believe they're valid. in this case i simply phoned the bell and they confirmed that thi= s is a real scam and that the alert is bona fide ... alan _________________________________________________________________________= ___ ____________ (LA VERSION FRAN=C7AISE SUIT PLUS BAS.) The purpose of this e-mail is to alert people about a possible fraudulent scam. See message below that was forward to me from a colleague. Please notify as many friends and contacts as possible. I received a telephone call today from an individual identifying himself = as an AT&T Service Technician who was conducting a test on our telephone lin= es. He stated that to complete the test I should touch nine (9), zero (0), the pound sign (#) and then hang up. Luckily, I was suspicious and refused. Upon contacting the telephone company, I was informed that by pushing 90#= , you give the requesting individual full access to your telephone line, wh= ich allows them to place long distance telephone calls billed to your home ph= one number. I was further informed that this scam has been originating from m= any of the local jails/prisons. I have also verified this information with UCB telecomm, Pacific Bell, MC= I, Bell Atlantic, GTE and NYNEX. Please beware. DO NOT press 90# for ANYONE. The GTE Security Department requested that I share this information with EVERYONE I KNOW. PLEASE pa= ss this on to everyone YOU know. If you have mailing lists and/or newsletter= s from organizations you are connected with, I encourage you to pass on thi= s information to them, too. Ron Hamelin ------------------------------------- Le but de ce e-mail est pour alerter les gens concernant des appels t=E9l=E9phoniques frauduleuses possible. J'ai re=E7u ce courriel d'une c= oll=E8gue qui se r=E9sume ainsi: Ron Hamelin qui travaille =E0 l'=E9difice Vanier a re=E7u un appel d'un i= ndividu s'identifiant comme un technicien de AT&T qui effectuait un test sur les lignes t=E9l=E9phoniques. Pour compl=E9ter ce test le technicien demande= de peser sur le neuf (9), zero (0), et le di=E8se (#) et raccrocher. Heureusement= , puisque Ron =E9tait suspect, il a refus=E9. Par la suite, il a =E9t=E9 inform=E9 par une compagnie de t=E9l=E9phone,q= ue s'il avait effectu=E9 le 90#, il aurait donn=E9 =E0 l'individu l'acc=E8s complet =E0= sa ligne t=E9l=E9phonique, qui veut dire que l'individu aurait pu placer des appel= s interurbains qui aurait =E9t=E9 factur=E9 =E0 son num=E9ro de t=E9l=E9pho= ne =E0 la maison. Ron a =E9t=E9 aussi inform=E9 que l'origine de cette fraude provient des = prisons. Cette information a =E9t=E9 v=E9rifi=E9 avec UCB Telecom, Pacific Bell, M= CI, Bell Atlantic, GTE and NYNEX. S.V.P. NE PAS FAIRE CETTE COMBINAISON 90# POUR PERSONNE. S.V.P. Avertir autant d'amis et coll=E8gues que possible. --ELM909757025-7189-0_-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 30 08:36:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA27830 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:36:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27820 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:36:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA04356; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:36:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:36:12 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199810301636.LAA04356@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Warner Losh Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/isa wcd.c In-Reply-To: <199810301532.IAA21575@harmony.village.org> References: <003201be0409$e4d602c0$c9252fce@cello.concer.to> <199810301532.IAA21575@harmony.village.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org < said: > : There is no prefix K in SI; the SI unit K is, of course, Kelvin. > K is the prefix for 1024, not Kelvin. Not in SI it isn't. SI has no prefix for 1024, or any other power of two for that matter. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 30 08:44:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA28639 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:44:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28601 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:43:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA04371; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:43:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:43:36 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199810301643.LAA04371@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: "Evan Champion" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/isa wcd.c In-Reply-To: <003201be0409$e4d602c0$c9252fce@cello.concer.to> References: <003201be0409$e4d602c0$c9252fce@cello.concer.to> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org < said: > much worse in terms of error) mega ('M') and giga ('G') prefixes. Because > of this I tend to consider 'k' to be the correct prefix, either in base 2 or > 10. Indeed. As for the base units, since neither bits nor bytes are SI units, I always make a point of writing them out in full (i.e., `kbit/s', `Mbyte', `Gbit') which makes it clear that the prefixes are being used only in a metaphorical sense. (But there's enough tradition behind `KB' and `MB' that I don't run screaming out of the room when I see them, and sometimes will even write them when space is at a premium. Hybrid units are even worse, though. For example, in the new-bus-framework updates to the floppy disk driver, I made a point of updating the bogus `1.44 MB' to the closer-to-correct `1440-KB'. Note also that in English, when a measurement is used as an attributive noun, as in the case of the phrase `1440-KB floppy drive', a hyphen is used between the number and unit, just as in other cases where a noun phrase is used in attributive context.) -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 30 12:06:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19648 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:06:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19627 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:06:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4009.ime.net [209.90.195.19]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id PAA05780; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:05:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.19981030150325.00b31780@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:04:04 -0500 To: dan.langille@dvl-software.com From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: NAT Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810300612.AAA16235@poseidon.host4u.net> References: <4.1.19981030004243.00a7f5e0@genesis.ispace.com> <36383336.EE1E2F78@jezebel.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:11 PM 10/30/98 +1300, Dan Langille wrote: >On 30 Oct 98, at 0:43, Drew Baxter wrote: > >> If I have the divert natd remark in my ipfw, I can't telnet into the box. >> But it does answer to pings, etc. >> >> Sooo how do I fix it so that my machine will take in telnets and things >> like that still? > >remove all but the basic firewall rules (ie. divert, and accept any from all >etc). If you can then telnet, it's a firewall rule issue. Otherwise, we'll >look elsewhere. >-- >Dan Langille >DVL Software Limited >http://www.racingsystem.com : for race timing solutions If I remove all of the rules, and just have pass all from any to any, and divert natd all from any to any via fxp0, NAT works fine, but i can't telnet into the box.. --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us My Latest Kernel: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT (ONEEX) #14: Mon Oct 19 22:36:58 EDT 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 30 12:57:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24621 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:57:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA24615 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:57:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0zZLbs-000045-00; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:57:28 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.1/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA23984; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:57:26 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199810302057.NAA23984@harmony.village.org> To: Garrett Wollman Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/isa wcd.c Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:36:12 EST." <199810301636.LAA04356@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <199810301636.LAA04356@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <003201be0409$e4d602c0$c9252fce@cello.concer.to> <199810301532.IAA21575@harmony.village.org> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:57:26 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <199810301636.LAA04356@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Garrett Wollman writes: : < said: : : > : There is no prefix K in SI; the SI unit K is, of course, Kelvin. : : > K is the prefix for 1024, not Kelvin. : : Not in SI it isn't. SI has no prefix for 1024, or any other power of : two for that matter. There is no SI prefix for K. Like I said before, K is a common extention to the SI for 2^10 and has been for about 30 years. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 30 13:56:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00172 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:56:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from witch.xtra.co.nz (witch.xtra.co.nz [202.27.184.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00155 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:55:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker (210-55-210-87.ipnets.xtra.co.nz [210.55.210.87]) by witch.xtra.co.nz (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA04281; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:55:15 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <199810302155.KAA04281@witch.xtra.co.nz> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: Drew Baxter Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:55:24 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: NAT Reply-to: junkmale@xtra.co.nz CC: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <4.1.19981030150325.00b31780@genesis.ispace.com> References: <199810300612.AAA16235@poseidon.host4u.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 30 Oct 98, at 15:04, Drew Baxter wrote: > At 07:11 PM 10/30/98 +1300, Dan Langille wrote: > >On 30 Oct 98, at 0:43, Drew Baxter wrote: > > > >> If I have the divert natd remark in my ipfw, I can't telnet into the > >> box. But it does answer to pings, etc. > >> > >> Sooo how do I fix it so that my machine will take in telnets and things > >> like that still? > > > >remove all but the basic firewall rules (ie. divert, and accept any from > >all etc). If you can then telnet, it's a firewall rule issue. > >Otherwise, we'll look elsewhere. -- Dan Langille DVL Software Limited > >http://www.racingsystem.com : for race timing solutions > > If I remove all of the rules, and just have pass all from any to any, and > divert natd all from any to any via fxp0, NAT works fine, but i can't > telnet into the box.. Do you have the telnet service enabled in /etc/inetd.conf? This should be moved to questions. Please reply to that group as this dicussion is no longer just chat. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - my [mis]adventures http://www.FreeBSDDiary.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 30 18:00:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23724 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:00:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23708 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:00:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA01120 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:30:38 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA28323; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:30:36 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981031123035.Z5846@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:30:35 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Who is FreeBSD Mall? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've just had my attention drawn to http://www.freebsdmall.com/. Sure, I saw the odd mention in the commit logs, but there wasn't much to say what the content was, and I certainly haven't seen much discussion on these lists. Who's behind it? How come it wasn't discussed? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 30 18:35:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27977 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:35:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us [169.244.111.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27910 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:34:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) Received: from Celeris (56k-port4014.ime.net [209.90.195.24]) by Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us (8.9.1/8.8.8-Loki) with SMTP id VAA06158; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:33:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from netmonger@genesis.ispace.com) X-Server-ID: Loki.orland.u91.k12.me.us, OCSNet - Orland Maine USA X-Coord-Name: Drew "Droobie" Baxter, OneNetwork Exchange X-Coord-Addr: Droobie@Openlink.orland.me.us X-Coord-Pager: USA: 207-471-2719, http://pagedroo.orland.me.us Message-Id: <4.1.19981030212748.00aaa220@genesis.ispace.com> X-Sender: netmonger@genesis.ispace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:28:15 -0500 To: Greg Lehey , FreeBSD Chat From: Drew Baxter Subject: Re: Who is FreeBSD Mall? In-Reply-To: <19981031123035.Z5846@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:30 PM 10/31/98 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >I've just had my attention drawn to http://www.freebsdmall.com/. >Sure, I saw the odd mention in the commit logs, but there wasn't much >to say what the content was, and I certainly haven't seen much >discussion on these lists. Who's behind it? How come it wasn't >discussed? > >Greg >-- Walnut Creek CDROM (FREEBSDMALL-DOM) 4041 Pike Lane, Suite F Concord, CA 94520 Domain Name: FREEBSDMALL.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Mann, Christopher (CM2221) r3cgm@HORNET.ORG (925) 691-2800 x3835 (FAX) (925) 674-0821 Billing Contact: Mann, Christopher (CM2221) r3cgm@HORNET.ORG (925) 691-2800 x3835 (FAX) (925) 674-0821 Record last updated on 21-Sep-98. Record created on 06-Jul-98. Database last updated on 30-Oct-98 04:28:56 EST. Domain servers in listed order: WHO.CDROM.COM 204.216.27.3 SQUIDDY.CDROM.COM 204.216.27.34 Does that help you any? It says who's behind it, kinda sorta.. --- Drew "Droobie" Baxter Network Admin/Professional Computer Nerd(TM) OneEX: The OneNetwork Exchange 207-942-0275 http://www.droo.orland.me.us My Latest Kernel: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT (ONEEX) #14: Mon Oct 19 22:36:58 EDT 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 30 21:06:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11526 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:06:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11520 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:06:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bkogawa@primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03720 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:06:32 -0700 (MST) Received: from ip210.sjc.primenet.com(206.165.96.210), claiming to be "foo.primenet.com" via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd003700; Fri Oct 30 22:06:24 1998 Received: from localhost (bkogawa@localhost) by foo.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA15093 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:08:25 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: foo.primenet.com: bkogawa owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:08:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Bryan K. Ogawa" To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Corel supporting Wine Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From slashdot: Corel is committing resources to work on Wine and use it (in its API/library form) as a tool for porting the WP 9 suite to Linux (both x86 and ARM). http://www.winehq.com/corel.txt For everyone who ever wondered about Wine, this is a big shot in the arm (the people who are working on this for Corel wrote the Win32 on MacOS library for Corel Draw 8 for Mac). They intend to contribute their code back to the Wine developers. bryan k ogawa http://www.primenet.com/~bkogawa/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 30 23:50:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA25770 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 23:50:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.lbfe.org.tw ([210.63.26.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA25755 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 23:50:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonahk@mail.lbfe.org.tw) Received: from mail.lbfe.org.tw ([210.63.26.198]) by mail.lbfe.org.tw (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with ESMTP id AAA11FA for ; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 16:15:13 +0800 Message-ID: <363AC2C0.9EB9E209@mail.lbfe.org.tw> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:56:49 +0800 From: Jonah Kuo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat Subject: WOW!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What's happening? Is FreeBSD-3.1 released? ___________________________________________________ ERROR The requested URL could not be retrieved While trying to retrieve the URL: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/ The following FTP error was encountered: User anonymous access denied. This means that: An FTP protocol error occurred. Please try again. Remote server replied with: Sorry, the current limit of 3600 users has been reached. Please try again in a few minutes. _____________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 31 00:56:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29789 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:56:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29784 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:56:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA11257; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:56:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Greg Lehey cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Who is FreeBSD Mall? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:30:35 +1030." <19981031123035.Z5846@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:56:42 -0800 Message-ID: <11253.909824202@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I've just had my attention drawn to http://www.freebsdmall.com/. > Sure, I saw the odd mention in the commit logs, but there wasn't much > to say what the content was, and I certainly haven't seen much > discussion on these lists. Who's behind it? How come it wasn't > discussed? It's not ready yet. When it is, WC will start discussing it more widely. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 31 01:34:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03036 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:34:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA03031 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:34:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from xroot@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA17524; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:35:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199810310935.BAA17524@implode.root.com> To: Jonah Kuo cc: freebsd-chat Subject: Re: WOW!! In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:56:49 +0800." <363AC2C0.9EB9E209@mail.lbfe.org.tw> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:35:43 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >What's happening? Is FreeBSD-3.1 released? ... >Sorry, the current limit of 3600 users has been reached. >Please try again in a few minutes. "Blood 2: The Chosen" was released. It's kept the fast ethernet pegged around 95Mbps since about 8pm PST when the game first became available. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 31 06:39:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01510 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 06:39:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01503 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 06:39:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17731; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:38:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:38:25 -0500 (EST) From: jack To: David Greenman cc: freebsd-chat Subject: Re: WOW!! In-Reply-To: <199810310935.BAA17524@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 31 Oct 1998, David Greenman wrote: > >Sorry, the current limit of 3600 users has been reached. > >Please try again in a few minutes. > > "Blood 2: The Chosen" was released. It's kept the fast ethernet pegged > around 95Mbps since about 8pm PST when the game first became available. Sounds like we may see another `New record for WC' message soon. :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 31 12:33:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12701 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:33:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ninbox.ml.org (hsv1-64.airnet.net [207.242.81.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12686 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:33:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ninbox.ml.org (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12831; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:30:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <363B734E.7A97CCD2@airnet.net> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:30:06 -0600 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Absolutely None! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai CC: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBsd References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote: > BootEasy... Weird thing though, I completely switched from NT to FreeBSD > because of the sheer woody the multitasking gave me ;) On a side note, I can, on my AMD-K5/75, play CD-quality (44 100 Hz, 16-bit) audio and consume only ~7% of my systems resources, whereas Windows(tm) eats the machine alive. I can play a MP3 at 60%, and timidity from ~10% to ~30% (kind of a techno/dance/industrial .mid). And I can still use the machine, which is more than I got out of Windows(tm). Windows(tm) wants a 90 MHz machine to do what timidity does and still multitask. Obviously, one can see and understand my choice. -- Kris Kirby UAH Mail UAH CS Home WWW ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 31 16:13:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08774 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 16:13:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08760; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 16:13:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199811010013.QAA08760@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Windows NT Serial Communication Driver In-Reply-To: <199810292028.PAA12818@ocalhost> from Timothy J Luoma at "Oct 29, 98 03:27:59 pm" To: luomat@peak.org (Timothy J Luoma) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 16:13:29 -0800 (PST) Cc: sales@wcscnet.com, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, abuse@ALTER.NET X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Timothy J Luoma wrote: > > Ah... I see this "very specific market" includes spamming the > freebsd-questions list TWICE now. > > I also see that your spamming program doesn't add a Message-ID to avoid > being caught in filters. > > I think it's time to request your entire domain be blocked. done. jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve JMB193 http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 31 18:34:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23350 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:34:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23341 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 18:34:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA00308; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 21:34:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 21:34:06 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199811010234.VAA00308@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Adam David Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/isa atapi-cd.c wcd.c In-Reply-To: <199810311535.PAA04495@veda.is> References: <19981031120918.Y5846@freebie.lemis.com> <199810311535.PAA04495@veda.is> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org < said: > It is also confusing that MB means 10^3 * 2^10 bytes for disk manufacturers, > and I wonder how they define GB and TB... Actually, they define them in the perfectly ordinary SI fashion: 10**6, 10**9, and 10**12, respectively. Of course, this is very inconvenient since it is not an even multiple of an allocation unit. (The ``10.2 GB'' drive I wasted four hours trying to get sysinstall to speak to today actually has 19,923,120 sectors, which factorizes as (2**3)(3**2)(5)(7)(59)(67) -- a pretty odd size, if you ask me! In computer-friendly terms, it's really a ``9.5 GB'' (GiB?) drive.) -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 31 21:19:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11202 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 21:19:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from poseidon.host4u.net (poseidon.host4u.net [209.150.128.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11194 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 21:19:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan.langille@dvl-software.com) Received: from wocker (210-55-210-87.ipnets.xtra.co.nz [210.55.210.87]) by poseidon.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA15672 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 1998 23:19:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199811010519.XAA15672@poseidon.host4u.net> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: DVL Software Limited To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 18:19:44 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: new look webpages Reply-to: dan.langille@dvl-software.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I love the new look webpages! Congrats. I'll let you know more about it once I check out my links etc... -- Dan Langille DVL Software Limited http://www.racingsystem.com : for race timing solutions To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message