From owner-freebsd-current Sun Apr 26 01:11:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13650 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:11:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (daemon@smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA13645 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:11:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22032; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:11:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd022029; Sun Apr 26 01:11:08 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA01171; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:11:05 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199804260811.BAA01171@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Bandwidth throttling etc. To: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 08:11:05 +0000 (GMT) Cc: trost@cloud.rain.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199804252234.SAA16963@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett Wollman" at Apr 25, 98 06:34:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Garrett A. Wollman writes: [ ... some technical discussion ... ] > The way you really want a TCP to behave is thus: [ ... some "blue sky" discussion ... ] I have to say that I'm *really* enjoying this subthread. This is, IMO, these lists at their best. Beats the hell out of "my kernel won't compile". Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Apr 26 02:48:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01198 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 02:43:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA25765; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 02:35:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16253; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:35:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.6.9) id KAA00555; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:03:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 10:03:44 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Doug Ambrisko , Luigi Rizzo Cc: Stefan Esser , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bridging... Mail-Followup-To: Doug Ambrisko , Luigi Rizzo , Stefan Esser , current@freebsd.org References: <199804241441.QAA21442@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> <199804241710.KAA03107@whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199804241710.KAA03107@whistle.com>; from Doug Ambrisko on Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 10:10:44AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1998-04-24 10:10 -0700, Doug Ambrisko wrote: > I'm not sure, but it shouldn't be to bad. They lifted code from the > Linux kernel for the PCI stuff to support. > > My first crack was to compile it under Linux emulation to show people it > worked. The PCI stuff scared me off initially since I would prefer to > use FreeBSD based stuff to avoid GPL vs. BSD license issues. If you get everything else going, then I'll do the PCI map code ... (But I've got no hardware suitable for tests. You'll have to do all the tests or give me access to your systems.) Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Apr 26 08:48:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12239 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 08:46:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero-fddi.simon-shapiro.org (sendero.simon-shapiro.org.142.69.207.in-addr.arpa [207.69.142.25] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA12070 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 08:45:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@sendero-fddi.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 9946 invoked by uid 1000); 26 Apr 1998 16:46:10 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-040798 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <199804231753.LAA26658@narnia.plutotech.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: "Justin T. Gibbs" , scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A CAM of worms Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 23-Apr-98 Justin T. Gibbs wrote: ... >> * No migration path; The is no mechanism to migrate at all. We need a >> way to have the same system boot either way. We need a mechanism to >> maintain source for the old systems and switch back. > > There is certainly a migration path. Run a CAM kernel or don't. Must > developers I know have plenty of space to store two sys trees. As I > have stated to Julian several times, I will not polute the CAM code > with #ifdefs, or gratuitously rename controller driver file names or > "config names" just so you can build a kernel both ways. If you want > the code to go on a branch first, fine by me, but it is my intention > to only put the code into CVS at all once the minimum amount of device > support acceptable to users of current has been developed and tested. I have no argument here... >> * No migration guide; The is no documentation on the new mechanism, its >> interfeaces, requirements, etc. I asked, several times, politely, >> and >> privately, for at least a list of functions, their intended purpose >> and >> the entry points into both HBA drivers and personality drivers. The >> ``I >> do not have time'' answer is simply not enough. If there is no time >> to >> list the API's maybe the code change should be held until there is >> time. > > This is in the works and will be available long before any potential flag > day. Great! I really want to move the DPT driver to CAM, but with a new job and all I want to make sure I do it as intended (by you, in designing CAM) and not as guessed (by me, reading the driver to one particular HBA or another). >> * The idea of overnight obsolesence of all the existing SCSI code is a >> bit, shall we say, aggressive. Although I have all the confidence in >> the >> world that the CAM code is wonderfully reliable, efficient and great, >> sone of us earthly mortals would like to have a chance to compile and >> run >> the two systems side by side, at least until the porting is done. > > Overnight? This project has been in the works for several months. If > you have concerns about the CAM architecture the code has been available > for you to run and review for some time. This is not my issue at all. I stated before that I trust it is good and correct. But my (aparently wrong) impression that the 28th of April signifis a drop in the support for the (still) current architecture led me to think that in two days from now All the kernel will support is CAM, and non-CAM systems are out in the cold. I am glad to see that I was wrong. Simon BTW, Your mail still arrives here with: Nn:Pluto.freebsd.current, and I still am not allowed to post to that newsgroup :-) Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Apr 26 09:03:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13800 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:00:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero-fddi.simon-shapiro.org (sendero.simon-shapiro.org.142.69.207.in-addr.arpa [207.69.142.25] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA13580 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 08:59:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@sendero-fddi.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 10029 invoked by uid 1000); 26 Apr 1998 16:59:55 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-040798 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Tom Subject: Re: A CAM of worms Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, "Justin T.Gibbs" , Nate Williams Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 23-Apr-98 Tom wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Nate Williams wrote: > >> > There is certainly a migration path. Run a CAM kernel or don't. Most >> > developers I know have plenty of space to store two sys trees. As I >> > have stated to Julian several times, I will not polute the CAM code >> > with #ifdefs, or gratuitously rename controller driver file names or >> > "config names" just so you can build a kernel both ways. >> >> IMHO, with that attitude you can take the CAM stuff and go play >> somewhere else. Part of being a 'team effort' means making compromises >> so that everyone can work together. > > I don't understand what in Justin's "attitude" you've found offensive. > > The current SCSI layer has bugs. CAM fixes most of those and adds new > drviers. CAM is the future. It is time that we got past this. Hell, > even wcarchive uses CAM now (back-ported to 2.2) as it is just more > stable code. I think Nate's response migh have been a bit too strong. I interpreted the original posting as ``on the 28th of April, we stop supporting the current architecture and start supporting only CAM''. This interpretation appears wrong, but if it is a correct interppretation, it warrants a worry. With the state of CAM, as of today, FreeBSD functionality will be reduced severely - until all the missing pieces catch up; recoded, debugged, stress tested, stabilized, etc. That represents many weeks of hard work. I am not speaking for Nat, but he may share this concern with me. It appears that this is NOT Justin's intent. Now we will try to figure out a schedule for this thing. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Apr 26 09:42:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15636 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:16:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sendero-fddi.simon-shapiro.org (sendero.simon-shapiro.org.142.69.207.in-addr.arpa [207.69.142.25] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA15487 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:14:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimon@sendero-fddi.simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 10135 invoked by uid 1000); 26 Apr 1998 17:15:09 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-alpha-040798 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199804232045.OAA11155@pluto.plutotech.com> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: "Justin T. Gibbs" Subject: Re: A CAM of worms Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, Nate Williams Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I agree with Justin's position, as long as it allows me to continue my work. One of the drawbacks of sdeparate code trees, is the need to constantly synchronize. This is particularly critical in 3.0-current where important changes have to take place frequently. When I speak of co-existance, I am not speaking of being able to compile CAMable and non-CAMable code into the same kernel. Just to have both in the same source tree is enough. How feasible is this? Can we add a little script or config option to allow that? Even if it requires some ifdefs in some source files - I volunteer to clean it up once we can switch over, it will really help. The reason I am asking for this is that I want to track CAM, track the -current kernel, and continue my own work on non-SCSI kenrel code. This represents four-way merge and if some moderate effort on your part can reduce the uncertainty such merges introduce, I will really appreciate it. This (merged source tree) and a listing as I outlined earlier will allow me to proceed with CAM port of the DPT code in the fastest and most certain way. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Apr 26 11:28:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA29320 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:25:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23661; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:32:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA23870; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:56:21 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199804261556.RAA23870@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Bridging... To: se@FreeBSD.ORG (Stefan Esser) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:56:21 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: ambrisko@whistle.com, se@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980425100344.04595@mi.uni-koeln.de> from "Stefan Esser" at Apr 25, 98 10:03:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If you get everything else going, > then I'll do the PCI map code ... for the records, I am using netboot with pci ne-2000 cards. port addresses are hardwired in the nb8390 code, though. cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Apr 26 12:30:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06495 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:20:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [209.47.148.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04655 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:06:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.8.8/8.7.5) with SMTP id PAA19781 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:08:18 -0400 (EDT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Onboard temperature sensor? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi... I just picked up a new PII, and one of the things that these boards have is onboard temperature sensors for various things (CPU temperature and whatnot)... Do we have any utilities to make use of this? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Apr 26 12:52:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08989 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:42:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [209.47.148.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07139 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:27:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.8.8/8.7.5) with SMTP id PAA25637 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:28:54 -0400 (EDT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3.0SNAP installation problem... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just tried to install 3.0SNAP onto my system, and it appears to have installed everything *except* that I get a message that says: Can't find a kernel image to link to on the root file system! You're going to have a hard time getting this sy stem to boot from the hard disk, I'm afraid! This was using ftp2.freebsd.org to install via ftp... Thoughts? Problem with the boot.flp, or the ftp site, or...? Thanks... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Apr 26 12:56:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10260 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:54:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kstreet.interlog.com (kstreet.interlog.com [198.53.146.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09296 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:45:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kws@kstreet.interlog.com) Received: (from kws@localhost) by kstreet.interlog.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17658; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:45:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kws) To: current@FREEBSD.ORG Subject: cvsup and local mods From: Kevin Street Date: 26 Apr 1998 15:45:29 -0400 Message-ID: <8767jw9xk6.fsf@kstreet.interlog.com> Lines: 42 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FREEBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm looking for advice on the best way to set up cvsup and cvs to maintain local mods to source trees (both -current and the KDE tree). I've read through the archives, but the latest discussion I've found dates back about a year or so, so I wanted to check for new options. >From what I read I've got a few alternatives: a) cvsup in cvs mode. Do mods in my working tree and cvs update to get the latest FreeBSD code. I can't commit my local changes because cvsup will wipe them out. I have no history for my mods. b) cvsup in cvs mode. Set CVS_LOCAL_BRANCH_NUM to 1000, turn off cvsup delete mode. Do my local mods on a branch and merge them with the main line occasionally to pick up the FreeBSD changes. John Polstra said (May 07 last year): <199705080506.WAA11435@austin.polstra.com> "And think long and hard before you do this in your local repository, because such local mods are _not_ supported well by CVSup at this time. It sort of works, if you remove the "delete" keyword, but there are many problems with the approach." I have not seen a discussion of what the problems are though. c) cvsup in checkout mode. cvs import the whole tree as a vendor branch in a local cvs tree and merge it with my mods on my main line when I want to pick up the latest FreeBSD changes. If I do this then I can't see the FreeBSD change history in my cvs tree, but I can see my own history. d) cvsup in cvs mode. cvs checkout a FreeBSD tree. cvs import this into a local cvs tree as a vendor branch & merge with my main line. Now I can see the history in the cvsuped FreeBSD tree and my history in the local tree. I'm glad disks are cheap. Other options? Errors in the above? Free advice? Pointers to info? -- Kevin Street street@iName.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Apr 26 13:43:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14114 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:30:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13977 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:28:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20918; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:28:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: The Hermit Hacker cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0SNAP installation problem... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:28:54 EDT." Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:28:11 -0700 Message-ID: <20915.893622491@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Can't find a kernel image to link to on the root file system! > You're going to have a hard time getting this sy stem to > boot from the hard disk, I'm afraid! > > This was using ftp2.freebsd.org to install via ftp... > > Thoughts? Problem with the boot.flp, or the ftp site, or...? Sounds like the kernel.GENERIC is missing from the bin dist. That's pretty bad. I can only conclude that the build must have failed in some very odd way on that day. Have you tried whatever the latest one on current.freebsd.org is? Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Apr 26 13:53:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14316 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:32:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [209.47.148.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14062 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.8.8/8.7.5) with SMTP id QAA10613; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:31:13 -0400 (EDT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0SNAP installation problem... In-Reply-To: <20915.893622491@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Can't find a kernel image to link to on the root file system! > > You're going to have a hard time getting this sy stem to > > boot from the hard disk, I'm afraid! > > > > This was using ftp2.freebsd.org to install via ftp... > > > > Thoughts? Problem with the boot.flp, or the ftp site, or...? > > Sounds like the kernel.GENERIC is missing from the bin dist. > That's pretty bad. I can only conclude that the build must have > failed in some very odd way on that day. Have you tried whatever > the latest one on current.freebsd.org is? I'm putting this into a production machine, and with all the problems reported lately on the list, I'm avoiding "the latest" :( I switched over to ftp3.freebsd.org, and that one installed fine... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Apr 26 17:34:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11782 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:26:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from w8hd2.w8hd.org (w8hd2.w8hd.org [198.252.159.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10622 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:12:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kimc@w8hd.org) Received: from w8hd2.w8hd.org (w8hd2.w8hd.org [198.252.159.25]) by w8hd2.w8hd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA11229; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:12:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Kim Culhan To: The Hermit Hacker cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0SNAP installation problem... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > Can't find a kernel image to link to on the root file system! > > > You're going to have a hard time getting this sy stem to > > > boot from the hard disk, I'm afraid! > > > > > > This was using ftp2.freebsd.org to install via ftp... > > > > > > Thoughts? Problem with the boot.flp, or the ftp site, or...? > > > > Sounds like the kernel.GENERIC is missing from the bin dist. > > That's pretty bad. I can only conclude that the build must have > > failed in some very odd way on that day. Have you tried whatever > > the latest one on current.freebsd.org is? > > I'm putting this into a production machine, and with all the > problems reported lately on the list, I'm avoiding "the latest" :( I > switched over to ftp3.freebsd.org, and that one installed fine... Just installed from current.freebsd.org on 4-25 at 1800 UTC and it looks very good so far. -kim -- kim@kim.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Apr 26 20:17:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27159 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:09:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sicily.odyssey.cs.cmu.edu (SICILY.ODYSSEY.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.185.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA27123 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:08:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rvb@sicily.odyssey.cs.cmu.edu) From: rvb@sicily.odyssey.cs.cmu.edu To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Speaking of Netbsd (Re: ELF kernels: When?) References: <199804260318.UAA01808@antipodes.cdrom.com> Date: 26 Apr 1998 23:08:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: Mike Smith's message of Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:18:54 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.46/Emacs 19.34 Source-Info: Sender is really rvb@sicily.odyssey.cs.cmu.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have some large disks that have freebsd and netbsd MBR partitions. I tried to hide the netbsd from freebsd by making the partition type odd 163 (vs 165). I guess FreeBSD decided that it the 163 partition had a bsd disklabel, so ... It complained when is saw the "d" partition, which spans the whole disk. How about a "hack" that says, that if the partition is not type 165: 1. don't process the partition 2. don't warn 3. allow a special case of d running from 0 to the size of the disk, and not complain 4. ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Apr 26 22:26:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA16975 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:26:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from postoffice.mr.net (maillist.MR.Net [137.192.180.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA16959 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:26:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fritchie@data.mr.net) Received: by postoffice.mr.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA26804 at Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:26:38 -0500 (CDT) SMTP "HELO" = data.mr.net But _really_ from root@data.MR.Net [137.192.192.27] SMTP "MAIL FROM" = fritchie@data.mr.net SMTP "RCPT TO" = Received: by data.mr.net (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP id AAA01649 at Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:26:37 -0500 (CDT) SMTP "HELO" = data But _really_ from fritchie@data.MR.Net [137.192.192.27] SMTP "MAIL FROM" = fritchie@data.mr.net SMTP "RCPT TO" = Message-Id: <199804270526.AAA01649@data.mr.net> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CBQ, was: Bandwidth throttling etc. Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:26:36 -0500 From: Scott Lystig Fritchie Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After reading two freebsd-current-digest's full of "Bandwidth throttling etc." discussion, I had to chime in with an additional reference which may or may not be of any assistance to Luigi and others discussing the matter. See: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/floyd/cbq.html ... if you haven't already. It is titled "Publically-Available CBQ Implementations". It mentions "ALTQ: Alternative Queueing for FreeBSD" by K. Cho. It mentions implementing Class-Based Queueing (CBQ), Random Early Discard (RED), Weighted Fair Queueing (WFQ), and Resource ReS?erV?ation Protocol (RSVP ... did I mangle the abbrev?) stubs for CBQ. Cho's work appears to be available at http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/person/kjc/software.html. I don't have any affiliation with Floyd or Cho, other than being quite interested in their research. :-) -Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Apr 26 22:42:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA18899 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:42:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA18894 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:42:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id GAA24420; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:06:13 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199804270406.GAA24420@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: CBQ, was: Bandwidth throttling etc. To: fritchie@MR.Net (Scott Lystig Fritchie) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:06:12 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199804270526.AAA01649@data.mr.net> from "Scott Lystig Fritchie" at Apr 27, 98 00:26:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > After reading two freebsd-current-digest's full of "Bandwidth > throttling etc." discussion, I had to chime in with an additional > reference which may or may not be of any assistance to Luigi and > others discussing the matter. See: > > http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/floyd/cbq.html thanks, although both I and eskecially Kenjiro have read it. The discussion (in my view at least) was more towards finding a nice and effective way to integrate the new code into the ipfw interface, rather than solve theoretical problems. cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 00:54:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA11374 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:54:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA11307 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 00:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id PAA25765; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:49:48 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199804270749.PAA25765@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: fritchie@MR.Net (Scott Lystig Fritchie), freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CBQ, was: Bandwidth throttling etc. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:06:12 +0200." <199804270406.GAA24420@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:49:47 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > After reading two freebsd-current-digest's full of "Bandwidth > > throttling etc." discussion, I had to chime in with an additional > > reference which may or may not be of any assistance to Luigi and > > others discussing the matter. See: > > > > http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/floyd/cbq.html > > thanks, although both I and eskecially Kenjiro have read it. > > The discussion (in my view at least) was more towards finding a > nice and effective way to integrate the new code into the ipfw > interface, rather than solve theoretical problems. Just as a by-the-way, an old open PR was just killed that had an implementation change to allow setsockopt() etc to use more than 108 bytes of data. (it was part of a much larger change to allow rule selection by uid and so on with ipfw. It's a shame it only got noticed on it's untimely death, I find that particular set of feature changes particularly interesting..) > cheers > luigi > -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- > Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione > email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa > tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) > fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ > _____________________________|______________________________________ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 01:08:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14141 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:08:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14124 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:08:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA13503; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:09:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:09:14 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson Reply-To: Doug Rabson To: Mike Smith cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ELF kernels: When? In-Reply-To: <199804260318.UAA01808@antipodes.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > The major issues are build-related; the NetBSD bootblocks have a > > > ringworm-like grip on the rest of the kernel source tree which has > > > resisted the last couple of efforts I've put into separating them. > > > > Sounds like we need src/contrib/netbsd. No, no, stop hitting me! > > 8) > > The problem with attacking the NetBSD bootblocks is that they have to > be swallowed all at once; if you want to build using their existing > infrastructure you need a kernel layout that looks exactly like theirs, > as well as the NetBSD make (because they use some new hacks), and their > includes, and... > > Ripping it all out and restructuring it somewhere else seems to make so > much sense. 8) I spent some time this weekend doing exactly that. I pulled NetBSD's libsa, libz and i386/stand into our tree and hacked on them until they built. I made some ugly hacks in there to construct FreeBSD style bootinfo and slice stuff, so it should boot most things. I haven't actually tried it on a real machine (my scratch box is in pieces) but it works fine under bochs (bochs is a godsend for this kind of work :-). It should be dead easy to get these bootblocks to load ELF kernels. The libsa environment is really very friendly. As a special bonus, they will load gzipped kernels directly (not via kzipboot). Just install your kernel as /kernel.gz and boot. I haven't tested this, so your milage might vary considerably. If anyone is interested, the hacked sources are in freefall:~dfr/netbsdboot.diff.gz. I think they should apply cleanly. If they don't tell me. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 01:29:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18668 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:29:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@mail.ftf.dk [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA18548 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:28:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA13238; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:25:14 +0200 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA06051; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:47:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id KAA15070; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:26:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980427102656.58230@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:26:56 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: Peter Wemm Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CBQ, was: Bandwidth throttling etc. References: <199804270406.GAA24420@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> <199804270749.PAA25765@spinner.netplex.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199804270749.PAA25765@spinner.netplex.com.au>; from Peter Wemm on Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 03:49:47PM +0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 Organization: PROSA Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Wemm writes: > > Just as a by-the-way, an old open PR was just killed that had an > implementation change to allow setsockopt() etc to use more than 108 bytes > of data. (it was part of a much larger change to allow rule selection by > uid and so on with ipfw. It's a shame it only got noticed on it's untimely > death, I find that particular set of feature changes particularly > interesting..) Darn, that would have made a great base for an authenticated firewall gateway... Who had submitted the PR ? And was the "larger change" complete ? -- -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- «Pluto placed his bad dog at the entrance of Hades to keep the dead IN and the living OUT! The archetypical corporate firewall?» - S. Kelly Bootle To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 02:07:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA23968 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 02:07:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23962 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 02:07:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA27253; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd027251; Mon Apr 27 08:59:04 1998 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:53:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Philippe Regnauld cc: Peter Wemm , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CBQ, was: Bandwidth throttling etc. In-Reply-To: <19980427102656.58230@deepo.prosa.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id CAA23963 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Part of this was committed. setsockopt() can handle upto a cluster now.. pitty about the rest. I didn't see it. On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Philippe Regnauld wrote: > Peter Wemm writes: > > > > Just as a by-the-way, an old open PR was just killed that had an > > implementation change to allow setsockopt() etc to use more than 108 bytes > > of data. (it was part of a much larger change to allow rule selection by > > uid and so on with ipfw. It's a shame it only got noticed on it's untimely > > death, I find that particular set of feature changes particularly > > interesting..) > > Darn, that would have made a great base for an authenticated > firewall gateway... > > Who had submitted the PR ? And was the "larger change" complete ? > > -- > -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- > «Pluto placed his bad dog at the entrance of Hades to keep the dead > IN and the living OUT! The archetypical corporate firewall?» > - S. Kelly Bootle > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 02:34:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28751 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 02:34:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from atlrel1.hp.com (atlrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA28745 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 02:34:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael_class@hp.com) Received: from hpbbse.bbn.hp.com (hpbbse.bbn.hp.com [15.136.26.26]) by atlrel1.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id FAA22034 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hp.com (michaelc@tmbbwmc.bbn.hp.com [15.136.25.181]) by hpbbse.bbn.hp.com with ESMTP (8.7.6/8.7.3) id KAA06674 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:34:50 +0100 (MEZ) Message-ID: <35445139.CCEE2466@hp.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:34:49 +0200 From: Michael Class Organization: Hewlett-Packard GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/777) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: still getting core-dumps from sendmail ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I think this was already mentioned, but I wanted to point out, that I still keep getting these things ... Description: after some time already running programs (typically sendmail and cron) are producing core-dumps when they try to fork a new process. This keeps on going since at least February. Here is the output of dmesg of the machine. (BTW: I am not getting these things on my Home-PC with more memory, P6 and lots of swap-space) Michael Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #0: Sun Apr 26 18:16:11 MEST 1998 michaelc@pc-micha.mc.hp.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/OB Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz cost 4534 ns CPU: Pentium (166.66-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x544 Stepping=4 Features=0x8001bf real memory = 50331648 (49152K bytes) avail memory = 46514176 (45424K bytes) DEVFS: ready for devices Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x14 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x02 on pci0.1.0 vga0: rev 0xc2 o n pci0.2.0 pcic0: rev 0x01 int a irq 255 on pci0.3.0 pcic1: rev 0x01 int b irq 255 on pci0.3.1 amd0: rev 0x10 int a irq 10 on pci0.5.0 amd0: waiting for scsi devices to settle scbus0 at amd0 bus 0 ide_pci0: rev 0x12 on pci0.20.0 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 not found at 0x2f8 sio2 not found at 0x3e8 lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface psm0 at 0x60-0x64 irq 12 on motherboard psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0xd0ffd0ff on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , LBA, 32-bit, multi-block-16, sleep-hack wd0: 2067MB (4233600 sectors), 525 cyls, 128 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 on isa wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, intr, iordis wcd0: 1033Kb/sec, 128Kb cache, audio play, 255 volume levels, ejectable tray wcd0: no disc inside, unlocked ep0 not found at 0x300 npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface apm0 on isa apm: found APM BIOS version 1.2 sb0 at 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 on isa snd0: sbxvi0 not found sbmidi0 not found at 0x330 PC-Card VLSI 82C146 (5 mem & 2 I/O windows) pcic: controller irq 3 Initializing PC-card drivers: ep sio Intel Pentium F00F detected, installing workaround DEVFS: ready to run wd0: probing for MBR.. yep wd0s1: probing for MBR.. nope wd0s1: probing for disklabel.. nope wd0s2: type 7. Leaving wd0s3: attaching disklabel.. part 0, start=102400, size=1115264 part 1, start=0, size=102400 WOULD SELECT /wd0a but it doesn't exist /wd0s1a didn't work /wd0s2a didn't work /wd0s3a exists, I'll use that Card inserted, slot 0 Card inserted, slot 1 IP packet filtering initialized, divert disabled, logging disabled ep0: utp/bnc[*UTP*] address 00:60:97:4a:cf:5f swap_pager: suggest more swap space: 92 MB pid 6884 (sendmail), uid 0: exited on signal 11 pid 7014 (sendmail), uid 0: exited on signal 11 pid 7059 (sendmail), uid 0: exited on signal 11 pid 7081 (sendmail), uid 0: exited on signal 11 -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Michael Class E-Mail: michael_class@hp.com E-Business Solutions Center Phone: +49 7031 14-3707 EBSO-SERC Fax: +49 7031 14-4196 ___________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 02:47:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01870 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 02:47:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA01864 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 02:47:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA24661; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:09:40 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199804270809.KAA24661@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Bandwidth throttling etc. To: kjc@csl.sony.co.jp (Kenjiro Cho) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:09:40 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: julian@whistle.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199804221213.VAA28109@hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp> from "Kenjiro Cho" at Apr 22, 98 09:13:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It would be nice if we could write an ipfw line like: > > # Allow incoming http up to 64kbps > $fwcmd add pass tcp from any to ${ip} 80 bandwidth 64k this is exactly what i plan to build with the integration of dummynet into the ipfw stuff, only with a slightly different syntax: $fwcmd add pipe 4 tcp from any to ${ip} 80 $fwcmd add pipe 5 tcp from ${ip} 80 to any $fwcmd pipe 4 configure bandwidth 64k buffers 10 delay 400ms $fwcmd pipe 5 configure bandwidth 128k buffers 10 delay 200ms i.e. the "pipe X" option acts much like a divert, only difference is that packets are passed to the specified "pipe" which is configurable in bandwidth, buffers and delay. > You suggested to add a field to mbuf structure but it's a moot point. > - many network programs are optimized for the current mbuf size :-( > (many people want to modify mbuf, or even want to rewrite the > entire mbuf code but ...) one can still bring mbufs up to 256 bytes. > - if we are going to add a new field, it must be generic; it should > be usable by other mechanisms (e.g., routing, multicast, IPv6). i called it flow_id and it is a void *, currently pointing to the ipfw rule that matched for the packet (note that using a pointer to the rule requires a lot of care when case rules are deleted, to avoid dangling pointers). cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 02:53:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA02459 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 02:53:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA02451 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 02:53:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA06736; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:55:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:55:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Julian Elischer cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ouch... (DEVFS) In-Reply-To: <353FC303.2F1CF0FB@whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! Yet another minor problem: does DEVFS support vn(4) driver? I can't make it work. First of all, I don't have entries for slices, i.e. I don't have [r]vn0{a,c}. When I do 'disklabel vn0 auto' it warns me that slice is zero-sized (or something similar), and when I read back the label it says that c: is unused (without DEVFS it just created the slice equal to the whole device size, and placed it under c:). Consequently, newfs'ing it doesn't work. And yet another question: can I manually make device entries in /dev (using mknod)? Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 03:07:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA04790 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:07:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA04782 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:07:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA28275; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd028273; Mon Apr 27 10:05:22 1998 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 02:59:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ouch... (DEVFS) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > Hi! > > Yet another minor problem: does DEVFS support vn(4) driver? I can't make > it work. yes it SHOULD work but I haven't tested it for a while. > > First of all, I don't have entries for slices, i.e. I don't have > [r]vn0{a,c}. When I do 'disklabel vn0 auto' it warns me that slice is > zero-sized (or something similar), and when I read back the label it says > that c: is unused (without DEVFS it just created the slice equal to the > whole device size, and placed it under c:). Consequently, newfs'ing it > doesn't work. I'm not sure what's happenning.. let me look here I'll get back to you with instructions.. BTW you should NEVER use the c partition for anything. Always explicitly make a partition (e.g. 'a') and use that instead. DEVFS will never display 'c' partitions in an attempt to stop people from doing this. (could this be your problem?) > > And yet another question: can I manually make device entries in /dev > (using mknod)? NO when minor and major become dnamically allocated you willl not know what to make. only the kernel will know that.. you can however make links an dsymlinks and move things around. you can also make/delete directories. > > Andrzej Bialecki > > --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- > abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } > Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." > Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. > --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 03:33:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA09476 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:33:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@mail.ftf.dk [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA09469 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:33:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA20117; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:30:25 +0200 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA06216; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:53:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id MAA16259; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:32:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980427123213.48494@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:32:13 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bandwidth throttling etc. References: <199804221213.VAA28109@hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp> <199804270809.KAA24661@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199804270809.KAA24661@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>; from Luigi Rizzo on Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 10:09:40AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 Organization: PROSA Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi Rizzo writes: > > $fwcmd add pipe 4 tcp from any to ${ip} 80 > $fwcmd add pipe 5 tcp from ${ip} 80 to any > > $fwcmd pipe 4 configure bandwidth 64k buffers 10 delay 400ms > $fwcmd pipe 5 configure bandwidth 128k buffers 10 delay 200ms The "pipe" notion is very interesting. It's very much like a flow -- that would make FW rule writing much easier. > i.e. the "pipe X" option acts much like a divert, only difference > is that packets are passed to the specified "pipe" which is > configurable in bandwidth, buffers and delay. Yes! I like this very much. We would then be able to have "flows" from one point to another, and to control their max. throughput -- what about "garanteed" or minimum bandwidth ? For example, I use V/IP (voice over IP cards) running on UDP, and the software relies on the intermediate routers supporting RSVP in case the traffic gets heavy. A workaround was to hardwire the port numbers and "reserve" them in the 3Com routers -- but this is static approach... -- -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- «Pluto placed his bad dog at the entrance of Hades to keep the dead IN and the living OUT! The archetypical corporate firewall?» - S. Kelly Bootle To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 03:45:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA11611 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:45:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA11532 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 03:44:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id LAA24824; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:08:04 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199804270908.LAA24824@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Bandwidth throttling etc. To: regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk (Philippe Regnauld) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:08:04 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980427123213.48494@deepo.prosa.dk> from "Philippe Regnauld" at Apr 27, 98 12:31:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The "pipe" notion is very interesting. It's very much like > a flow -- that would make FW rule writing much easier. it's more an aggregation of flows. This makes things even easier to handle since rules tend to match a single flow but the processing occurs on the aggregation of flows if needed. > Yes! I like this very much. We would then be able to have=20 > "flows" from one point to another, and to control their > max. throughput -- what about "garanteed" or minimum bandwidth ? you'd need priorities for that. Of course if you can do things like $fw add 100 accept ip from ${here} to ${there} $fw add 65533 pipe 1 from any to any $fw pipe 1 configure bandwidth 3m your privileged traffic will get the difference. Also if you make sure that the aggregate bw for all "pipes" does not exceed the total bw of your network, your bandwidth becomes guaranteed. cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 06:18:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA09274 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:18:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@mail.ftf.dk [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA09200 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:18:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27236; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:15:01 +0200 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id PAA06461; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:37:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id PAA17726; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:16:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980427151648.02410@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:16:48 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: Karl Denninger Cc: Terry Lambert , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Diffs to support RAIDframe on FreeBSD References: <19971205163442.52313@mcs.net> <199712062156.OAA09278@usr02.primenet.com> <19971207153652.49391@mcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19971207153652.49391@mcs.net>; from Karl Denninger on Sun, Dec 07, 1997 at 03:36:52PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 Organization: PROSA Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Karl Denninger writes: > Does anyone want to turn this into a port? > > It appears that this, along with baseline support for the AAA-130 series > Adaptec controllers, gives us instant RAID on FreeBSD. > > > > > > http://www.pdl.cs.cmu.edu/RAIDframe/ What is the status on this, BTW ? -- -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- «Pluto placed his bad dog at the entrance of Hades to keep the dead IN and the living OUT! The archetypical corporate firewall?» - S. Kelly Bootle To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 10:19:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25833 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:19:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25811 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:19:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA07703; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd007696; Mon Apr 27 17:15:29 1998 Message-ID: <3544BBEA.2781E494@whistle.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:10:02 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrzej Bialecki CC: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ouch... (DEVFS) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > Hi! > > Yet another minor problem: does DEVFS support vn(4) driver? I can't make > it work. > > First of all, I don't have entries for slices, i.e. I don't have > [r]vn0{a,c}. When I do 'disklabel vn0 auto' it warns me that slice is > zero-sized (or something similar), and when I read back the label it says > that c: is unused (without DEVFS it just created the slice equal to the > whole device size, and placed it under c:). Consequently, newfs'ing it > doesn't work. > > And yet another question: can I manually make device entries in /dev > (using mknod)? > > Andrzej Bialecki One point I froget to mention, you must use the -r option in disklabel with the DEVFS devices. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 10:28:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28024 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:28:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28011 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:28:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA08079; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd008064; Mon Apr 27 17:23:08 1998 Message-ID: <3544BDB4.446B9B3D@whistle.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:17:40 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rvb@sicily.odyssey.cs.cmu.edu CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Speaking of Netbsd (Re: ELF kernels: When?) References: <199804260318.UAA01808@antipodes.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Robert! As far as I know we don't look at 163. I use that method to hide extra BSD partitions.. There must be something odd going on here. the two partitions are not overlapping are they? rvb@sicily.odyssey.cs.cmu.edu wrote: > > I have some large disks that have freebsd and netbsd MBR > partitions. I tried to hide the netbsd from freebsd by > making the partition type odd 163 (vs 165). I guess FreeBSD > decided that it the 163 partition had a bsd disklabel, so ... > > It complained when is saw the "d" partition, which spans the > whole disk. How about a "hack" that says, that if the partition > is not type 165: > 1. don't process the partition > 2. don't warn > 3. allow a special case of d running from 0 to the > size of the disk, and not complain > 4. ... > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 11:23:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07703 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:23:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from intrepid.intrepid.com (root@intrepid.intrepid.com [192.195.190.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07676 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:23:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nenad@Intrepid.Com) Received: from intrepid.com (nenad@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by intrepid.intrepid.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA28819 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:25:06 -0700 Message-ID: <3544CD82.135A2AF9@intrepid.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:25:06 +0000 From: Nenad Vukicevic Organization: Intrepid Technology, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-current To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 13:37:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01592 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:37:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01579 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:37:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ambrisko@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA14971 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crab.whistle.com(207.76.205.112), claiming to be "whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd014960; Mon Apr 27 20:35:01 1998 Received: (from ambrisko@localhost) by whistle.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA00121 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:30:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ambrisko) From: Doug Ambrisko Message-Id: <199804272030.NAA00121@whistle.com> Subject: DEVFS & sound drivers question To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:30:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL29 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been playing with DEVFS and the SLICE code. I ran into a problem with running RealAudio 5.0 (Linux) which was that it likes to look at the sound devices without a unit number at the end (ie. /dev/sndstat instead of /dev/sndstat0). The DEVFS entries are only made with the unit number appended. I modified the snd & pcm drivers such that if the unit is "0" then also make the DEVFS entries for this device without the unit number appended. This and ownership changes of the devices lets me run RealAudio with DEVFS. Should DEVFS make these devices (MAKEDEV did)? Should these be made as a sym-link and can DEVFS make a sym-link? BTW, I haven't got to the vn device, but should soon. Doug A. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 13:40:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02311 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:40:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c243.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02292 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:40:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA14004; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:39:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG CC: jimhart@webspan.net From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: DK_NDRIVE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:39:07 -0400 Message-ID: <14000.893709547@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Since more and more systems now have >> 8 drives, could we increase the constant in so that iostat, systat et all can see them? Or perhaps depreciate dkstat in favour of exporting some other way? Compile time constants like this are annoying... Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 14:18:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09977 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:18:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09941 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:18:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA07229; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:18:41 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id XAA04116; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:18:40 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980427231840.60289@follo.net> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:18:40 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Doug Ambrisko , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEVFS & sound drivers question References: <199804272030.NAA00121@whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199804272030.NAA00121@whistle.com>; from Doug Ambrisko on Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 01:30:11PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 01:30:11PM -0700, Doug Ambrisko wrote: > I've been playing with DEVFS and the SLICE code. I ran into a problem > with running RealAudio 5.0 (Linux) which was that it likes to look > at the sound devices without a unit number at the end (ie. /dev/sndstat > instead of /dev/sndstat0). The DEVFS entries are only made with the > unit number appended. I modified the snd & pcm drivers such that > if the unit is "0" then also make the DEVFS entries for this device without > the unit number appended. This and ownership changes of the devices lets > me run RealAudio with DEVFS. > > Should DEVFS make these devices (MAKEDEV did)? Yes. I remembered that there was _some_ change I'd forgotten to do before I committed that (it's been lying around in my tree for ages), but I couldn't for the life of me remember what it was. Do you have suitable diffs? (I don't have a soundcard, so I couldn't really test the code - I just thought that something would be better than nothing...) > Should these be made as a sym-link and can DEVFS make a sym-link? DEVFS can't make symlinks, AFAIK. The easiest way for you to find out is probably to ask Julian ;-) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 15:31:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26882 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:31:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (ken@panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26850; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:31:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id QAA28863; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:31:42 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199804272231.QAA28863@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: DK_NDRIVE In-Reply-To: <14000.893709547@gjp.erols.com> from Gary Palmer at "Apr 27, 98 04:39:07 pm" To: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG (Gary Palmer) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:31:42 -0600 (MDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, jimhart@webspan.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gary Palmer wrote... > > Since more and more systems now have >> 8 drives, could we increase the > constant in so that iostat, systat et all can see them? > Or perhaps depreciate dkstat in favour of exporting some other way? > Compile time constants like this are annoying... Don't worry about it, it's already been done. The devstat code that is in the CAM tree will hopefully replace the dk* stuff. It dynamically adjusts to the number of devices in the system, and all devices are accessible via iostat or whatever else. (the devices are exported using a sysctl variable) Once I get done porting systat and vmstat, we may be able to look at putting the devstat stuff into -current. (iostat is already done) If you want to take a look at the CAM stuff, look at: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/cam/README or ftp://ftp.kdm.org/pub/FreeBSD/cam/README for the requirements for running it. The patches vs. current are in the same directory. The files to look at for the devstat code are: src/sys/kern/subr_devstat.c src/sys/sys/devicestat.h src/usr.sbin/iostat/* Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 16:34:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09157 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:34:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09151 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:34:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21717; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:33:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd021715; Mon Apr 27 23:33:46 1998 Message-ID: <35451492.FF6D5DF@whistle.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:28:18 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eivind Eklund CC: Doug Ambrisko , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEVFS & sound drivers question References: <199804272030.NAA00121@whistle.com> <19980427231840.60289@follo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Eivind Eklund wrote: > > > DEVFS can't make symlinks, AFAIK. The easiest way for you to find out > is probably to ask Julian ;-) > DEVFS can handle symlinks but there is only the oportunity for USERS to make them. (It is not easy to explain why but there is a reason which is to do with duplicating them across multiple devfs mounts. DEVFS does allow drivers to make hard links quite trivially in fact doug and I just did that over at his desk. (patches to follow) julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 16:37:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09915 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:37:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09909 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:37:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21612; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd021595; Mon Apr 27 23:30:08 1998 Message-ID: <354513B5.3F54BC7E@whistle.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:24:37 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrzej Bialecki , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ouch... (DEVFS) References: <3544BBEA.2781E494@whistle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian Elischer wrote: > > Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > > Yet another minor problem: does DEVFS support vn(4) driver? I can't make > > it work. Ok I've looked at it quickly.. here's how you do it.. 1/ the 'auto' feature does NOT work so use a floppy definition to start with.. vnconfig /dev/rvn0 /tmp/imagefile disklabel -w -r /dev/rvn0 floppy3 disklabel -r -e /dev/rvn0 [edit disklabel to taste.. make 'c' the whole file but make another partition to mount. 'c' is special. it will not show up in /dev.] newfs /dev/vn0a # not rvn0a, this is a bug. I will fix this. This has shown up a few bugs, not the least of which is that newfs opens the disk READONLY and is surprised when it is not allowed to write. [BUG] disklabel auto does something that stops it working when it can't read a disklabel from the device first. I think it tries to do one of those disklabel IOCTLs (which of couse fails) and bombs out. It also will not write a disklabel, even with -r, when it gets an error from some specific IOCTLs (which it should ignore) I will look at these problems when I get a chance. julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 17:24:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18220 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:24:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18196 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:24:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelh@cet.co.jp) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.8/CET-v2.2) with SMTP id AAA21603; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:23:46 GMT Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:23:46 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Doug Ambrisko cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEVFS & sound drivers question In-Reply-To: <199804272030.NAA00121@whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Doug Ambrisko wrote: > Should DEVFS make these devices (MAKEDEV did)? > Should these be made as a sym-link and can DEVFS make a sym-link? DEVFS doesn't have a way to deal with user configured persistent data yet. Julian is talking about doing it with /etc/rc.devfs or something like that. The way refcounting works is confusing and has lead to tangents in the skeleton code for these ops, see VNSLEAZE. Regards, Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 17:51:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23865 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:51:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23860 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:51:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00674; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804271601.JAA00674@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: Julian Elischer , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ouch... (DEVFS) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:55:55 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:01:53 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Yet another minor problem: does DEVFS support vn(4) driver? I can't make > it work. More to the point, does vn(4) support SLICE? I suspect not at this stage, but confess that I haven't looked. > And yet another question: can I manually make device entries in /dev > (using mknod)? No. Why would you want to? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 18:15:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27462 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:15:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from enigami.com (enigami.com [208.140.182.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27456 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:15:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@enigami.com) Received: from singularity.enigami.com (singularity.enigami.com [208.140.182.42]) by enigami.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA16159 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:14:56 -0400 (EDT) From: root Received: (from root@localhost) by singularity.enigami.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02892 for current@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:14:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from root@enigami.com) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804280114.VAA02892@singularity.enigami.com> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mono_time? Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can anyone tell me what is going on with mono_time? There are a couple of files in the kernel source that use it, as does CAM, and there is even a man page that references it, but it doesn't seem to actually be defined anywhere! Now, I am guessing that this was in vogue a while back, and is now a passing fad, as the CAM stuff built in the past, but doesn't (at least for me) any more. So, what should replace it? Thanks, +C To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 18:40:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03283 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:40:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03252 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:40:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA23610; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 02:34:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199804280134.CAA23610@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Eivind Eklund cc: Doug Ambrisko , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEVFS & sound drivers question In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:18:40 +0200." <19980427231840.60289@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 02:34:35 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [.....] > > Should these be made as a sym-link and can DEVFS make a sym-link? > > DEVFS can't make symlinks, AFAIK. The easiest way for you to find out > is probably to ask Julian ;-) Actually, it does. I have /usr/local/etc/rc.d/00001dev-fixup.sh: #! /bin/sh cd /dev for f in mixer sequencer dsp audio dspW music pss do rm -f $f ln -s ${f}0 $f done I assumed this was ``meant to be''. If not, I'll commit a fix. > Eivind. -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 19:27:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14099 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:27:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pcpsj.pfcs.com (swWl1XQVLZ4UyNr4yXrGnXXdc6cwhlkV@harlan.fred.net [205.252.219.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13981 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:26:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Harlan.Stenn@pfcs.com) Received: from mumps.pfcs.com [192.52.69.11] (HELO mumps.pfcs.com) by pcpsj.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brown.pfcs.com [192.52.69.44] (HELO brown.pfcs.com) by mumps.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] (HELO brown.pfcs.com) by brown.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:26:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bin/6353 In-Reply-To: Garrett Wollman's (wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) message dated Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:28:45. <199804222128.RAA02798@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> X-Face: "csXK}xnnsH\h_ce`T#|pM]tG,6Xu.{3Rb\]&XJgVyTS'w{E+|-(}n:c(Cc* $cbtusxDP6T)Hr'k&zrwq0.3&~bAI~YJco[r.mE+K|(q]F=ZNXug:s6tyOk{VTqARy0#axm6BWti9C d Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:26:47 -0400 Message-ID: <2336.893730407@brown.pfcs.com> From: Harlan Stenn Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have am-utils almost fully "contrib"utized. There are two items pending. In one directory of the distribution, two binaries are built. One goes into /usr/bin, the other in /usr/sbin/. These two programs use the same set of .o files plus a unique .o (for main). Do I hafta split these out into usr.bin/oneofem and usr.sbin/theother? Second, there's a "scripts" directory that has about 11 scripts and a sample config file. Can somebody point me at how I need to handle these? (I'm really hoping the answer is easier than: "Put each one in a separate subdir and make a small Makefile for each one") H To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 19:50:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17605 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:50:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17593 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:50:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA26898; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd026896; Tue Apr 28 02:41:45 1998 Message-ID: <354540A2.41C67EA6@whistle.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:36:18 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith CC: Andrzej Bialecki , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ouch... (DEVFS) References: <199804271601.JAA00674@antipodes.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > > Yet another minor problem: does DEVFS support vn(4) driver? I can't make > > it work. > > More to the point, does vn(4) support SLICE? I suspect not at this > stage, but confess that I haven't looked. yes it does.... > > > And yet another question: can I manually make device entries in /dev > > (using mknod)? > > No. Why would you want to? > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 20:57:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00791 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:57:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA00786 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:57:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA28483; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd028480; Tue Apr 28 03:56:47 1998 Message-ID: <35455238.2781E494@whistle.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:51:20 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Somers CC: Eivind Eklund , Doug Ambrisko , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEVFS & sound drivers question References: <199804280134.CAA23610@awfulhak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brian Somers wrote: > this is the kind of persistance that phk and I prefer :-) you will be able to delete it after your next cvsup as I just added links for these.. (but put yourself in group 'games' ok?) (that last bit of the patch will almost definitly go away) > > #! /bin/sh > > cd /dev > for f in mixer sequencer dsp audio dspW music pss > do > rm -f $f > ln -s ${f}0 $f > done > > I assumed this was ``meant to be''. If not, I'll commit a fix. > a fix to what? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 21:41:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA09419 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:41:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA09398 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:41:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA07087; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:40:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Harlan Stenn cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bin/6353 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:26:47 EDT." <2336.893730407@brown.pfcs.com> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:40:55 -0700 Message-ID: <7083.893738455@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In one directory of the distribution, two binaries are built. One goes > into /usr/bin, the other in /usr/sbin/. These two programs use the same > set of .o files plus a unique .o (for main). Do I hafta split these out > into usr.bin/oneofem and usr.sbin/theother? Yeah, I'm afraid so. You don't have to rebuild all those .o files though - simply VPATH one of the program's Makefiles at the ${.OBJDIR} for the other point. > Second, there's a "scripts" directory that has about 11 scripts and a > sample config file. Can somebody point me at how I need to handle these? Make a subdirectory and a Makefile with your own all and install targets? Simpler than splitting them into seperate subdirs, that's for sure. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 22:50:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA23493 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:50:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA23468 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:50:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Kurt@Boolean.Net) Received: from gypsy (smx-ca16-34.ix.netcom.com [207.93.148.162]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id WAA09670 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Message-Id: Message-Id: X-Sender: boolean@shell17.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:49:52 -0700 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Kurt D. Zeilenga" Subject: Re: SNAP9802 CDROM: cannot mount root In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980424001722.009afd30@shell17.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=====================_893767792==_" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --=====================_893767792==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:17 AM 4/24/98, I wrote: [trimmed and reorderred] >Anyways, I figure I'll retarget FreeBSD disk back to >target 0, CVSup to -current, and try this again. Here are my findings regarding -current as of 1998-05-27 04:00 GMT. (make world, config/make/boot new kernels). >Anyways, using sysinstall I allocated the entire >second SCSI drive (target 1) to FreeBSD (using a >compatibility slice). Every thing went fine until >went to boot (on target 1) the newly installed system. >... >But then: > changing root device to sd0a > error 22: panic: cannot mount root (2) I have tried "root on sd1s1a" (or "root on sd1a" or "root on sd1") with no luck. These near-GENERIC kernels all panic with: changing root device to sd0s1a error 22: panic: cannot mount route (2) Would I have had better luck by installing "dangerously dedicated?" >Well, guess I'll have to tell the kernel where root >is... so I reboot with -va.... Booting with the "-a" (ask) options fails to ask. This includes GENERIC. As sysinstall appears to install a GENERIC kernel, the installation is not usable. Sysinstall should install a kernel capable of mounting the selected root partition (sd1s1a) or, at the very least, warn the user that the installation will not boot as installed. I was successfully able to boot on second SCSI drive (target 1) by hard coding the SCSI targets as follows: config kernel root on sd0 # sd0 is second disk (target 1) controller ahc0 # 7880/2940UW controller scbus0 at ahc0 disk sd0 at scbus0 target 1 unit 0 disk sd1 at scbus0 target 0 disk sd2 at scbus0 target 4 disk sd3 at scbus0 target 5 device cd0 at scbus0 target 6 Of course I had do this while the drive was on target 0. >Does anyone have any comments and/or suggestions? Guess you were all waiting for me to post my configs/dmesg/mptable... You'll note that I am now running SMP. However all of the above tests was done using non-SMP near-GENERIC (modified "config kernel" entries). As I'll building a similar configuration soon, I'd be willing to test any relevant changes. 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Kernel options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O # Optional, these are the defaults: options NCPU=3D2 # number of CPUs options NBUS=3D3 # number of busses options NAPIC=3D1 # number of IO APICs options NINTR=3D24 # number of INTs options DDB #kernel debugger options KTRACE #kernel= tracing options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS Usable Root options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP= THIS!] options SCSI_DELAY=3D10 #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI= device options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options FAILSAFE #Be conservative options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options "MD5" #MD5 Support options "NO_F00F_HACK" config kernel root on= sd0 controller isa0 controller pci0 controller pnp0 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector= fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 # SCSI Devices # Note: target 0 is sd0! controller ahc0 # 2940UW controller scbus0 at ahc0 # Single bus disk sd0 at scbus0 target 1 unit 0 disk sd1 at scbus0 target 0 disk sd2 at scbus0 target 4 disk sd3 at scbus0 target 5 device cd0 at scbus0 target 6 # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO= console device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr # motherboard supports APM device apm0 at isa? disable flags 0x31 # Advanced Power= Management device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector= siointr options "EXTRA_SIO=3D2" device lpt0 at isa? port? tty irq 7 vector lptintr device psm0 at isa? disable port "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vector= psmintr device= vx0 pseudo-device= loop pseudo-device= ether pseudo-device tun 2 pseudo-device pty 16 pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's --=====================_893767792==_-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Apr 27 23:11:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA28090 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:11:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA28066 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:11:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA16542; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:11:04 +0200 (CEST) To: root cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mono_time? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:14:29 EDT." <199804280114.VAA02892@singularity.enigami.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:11:04 +0200 Message-ID: <16540.893743864@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199804280114.VAA02892@singularity.enigami.com>, root writes: >Can anyone tell me what is going on with mono_time? There are a couple of >files in the kernel source that use it, as does CAM, and there is even a >man page that references it, but it doesn't seem to actually be defined >anywhere! It got killed a month ago. Which man-page has a reference ? >Now, I am guessing that this was in vogue a while back, and is now a passing >fad, as the CAM stuff built in the past, but doesn't (at least for me) any >more. So, what should replace it? getmicroruntime() -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 00:36:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13057 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13050 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:36:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (tnt137.wcc.net [208.10.139.137]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA15776; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 02:31:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA04409; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 02:35:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 02:35:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199804280735.CAA04409@detlev.UUCP> To: michaelh@cet.co.jp CC: ambrisko@whistle.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Michael Hancock on Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:23:46 +0900 (JST)) Subject: Re: DEVFS & sound drivers question From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> Should DEVFS make these devices (MAKEDEV did)? >> Should these be made as a sym-link and can DEVFS make a sym-link? > DEVFS doesn't have a way to deal with user configured persistent data yet. > Julian is talking about doing it with /etc/rc.devfs or something like > that. > The way refcounting works is confusing and has lead to tangents in the > skeleton code for these ops, see VNSLEAZE. Would a union filesystem be a good thing here, or would it kinda just defeat the purpose of devfs? Best, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 00:44:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14950 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:44:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14944 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:44:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA24099; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:47:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:47:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Julian Elischer cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ouch... (DEVFS) In-Reply-To: <354513B5.3F54BC7E@whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > Julian Elischer wrote: > > > > Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > Yet another minor problem: does DEVFS support vn(4) driver? I can't make > > > it work. > > Ok I've looked at it quickly.. > here's how you do it.. > 1/ the 'auto' feature does NOT work > so use a floppy definition to start with.. :-( This feature was really nice... especially for creating vnode filesystems from scripts, with changing parameters... > vnconfig /dev/rvn0 /tmp/imagefile > disklabel -w -r /dev/rvn0 floppy3 > disklabel -r -e /dev/rvn0 > [edit disklabel to taste.. make 'c' the whole file but make another > partition to mount. 'c' is special. it will not show up in /dev.] > newfs /dev/vn0a # not rvn0a, this is a bug. I will fix this. I.e. after I edit disklabel, the correct (vn0a) entry will show up in /dev, right? > I will look at these problems when I get a chance. Thanks for help! Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 01:06:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA19206 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:06:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA19198 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:06:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelh@cet.co.jp) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.8/CET-v2.2) with SMTP id IAA25517; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:05:28 GMT Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:05:28 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Joel Ray Holveck cc: ambrisko@whistle.com, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEVFS & sound drivers question In-Reply-To: <199804280735.CAA04409@detlev.UUCP> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Joel Ray Holveck wrote: > >> Should DEVFS make these devices (MAKEDEV did)? > >> Should these be made as a sym-link and can DEVFS make a sym-link? > > DEVFS doesn't have a way to deal with user configured persistent data yet. > > Julian is talking about doing it with /etc/rc.devfs or something like > > that. > > The way refcounting works is confusing and has lead to tangents in the > > skeleton code for these ops, see VNSLEAZE. > > Would a union filesystem be a good thing here, or would it kinda just > defeat the purpose of devfs? Either rc.devfs or union is ok, handling persistent user configs in devfs is probably not worth the trouble. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 01:21:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA22506 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:21:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA22498 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:21:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA03207; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd003190; Tue Apr 28 08:07:07 1998 Message-ID: <35458CDF.15FB7483@whistle.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 01:01:35 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrzej Bialecki CC: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ouch... (DEVFS) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > > Ok I've looked at it quickly.. > > here's how you do it.. > > 1/ the 'auto' feature does NOT work > > so use a floppy definition to start with.. > > :-( This feature was really nice... especially for creating vnode > filesystems from scripts, with changing parameters... it will work again when I get a moment.. > > > vnconfig /dev/rvn0 /tmp/imagefile > > disklabel -w -r /dev/rvn0 floppy3 > > disklabel -r -e /dev/rvn0 > > [edit disklabel to taste.. make 'c' the whole file but make another > > partition to mount. 'c' is special. it will not show up in /dev.] > > newfs /dev/vn0a # not rvn0a, this is a bug. I will fix this. > > I.e. after I edit disklabel, the correct (vn0a) entry will show up in > /dev, right? yes but before I got it to work I needed to add pseudo-device vn 7 :-) (duh) (took me a while to remember that I had removed it) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 06:28:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA20247 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:28:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kamna.eunet.cz (kamna.eunet.cz [193.85.255.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA20227 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:28:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from martin@eunet.cz) Message-Id: <199804281328.GAA20227@hub.freebsd.org> Received: (qmail 19608 invoked from network); 28 Apr 1998 13:27:47 -0000 Received: from woody.eunet.cz (HELO eunet.cz) (@193.85.255.60) by kamna.eunet.cz with SMTP; 28 Apr 1998 13:27:47 -0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: doscmd problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:27:46 +0200 From: Martin Machacek Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm trying to make doscmd running on my FreeBSD 3.0 (cvsuped and world made on March 20). I've very closely followed the example on the doscmd's manpage. I've created minimalisitic /etc/doscmdrc saying: X11_FONT=fixed assign A: /dev/rfd0.1440 1440 assign A: /dev/rfd0.720 720 assign hard /u/doscmd/disk_c 30 I've touched the /u/doscmd/disk_c file and made it world readable and writable. I've also created bootable DOS floppy, put it in the floppy drive (A) and started doscmd -b -x. I've received (on the terminal I've started the doscmd) following messages: martin@woody:/u/doscmd# doscmd -x -b Init: 0 Unknown interrupt 15 function 4101 Unknown interrupt 15 function 87ee Finally the doscmd window came up showing DOS prompt. I've started fdisk from the floppy, selected 'Create DOS partition ...' and then 'Create Primary DOS Partition'. After that fdisk said: No space to create DOS partition There is about 200MB free on the partition i which the /u/doscmd/disk_c file resides. I've tried couple more tricks, like zeroing the /u/doscmd file to the requested size, vnconfiging it and trying to access it through /dev/rvn0c. None of them helped. What I'm doing wrong? Thanks for any hint, -- Martin Machacek [Internet CZ, Zirovnicka 6/3133, 106 00 Prague 10, Czech Republic] [phone: +420 2 71760337 fax: +420 2 24245125] [PGP KeyID 00F9E4BD] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 07:03:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26960 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:03:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA26947 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:03:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA26098; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:57:56 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199804280857.KAA26098@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Bandwidth throttling etc. To: julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:57:56 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: kjc@csl.sony.co.jp, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3540D3AE.52BFA1D7@whistle.com> from "Julian Elischer" at Apr 24, 98 11:02:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Playing with ipfirewall and mbufs, i am hitting a problem related to the size of mbufs. In my implementation, i need to add a couple of fields (6 bytes total) to the struct ip_fw, bringing its size to 112 bytes. setsockopt() fails for sizes>108 bytes. there are two ways i can save the space: 1) reduce IP_FW_MAX_PORTS to 7 instead of 10 2) move counters and statistic info (timestamp) to the end of the struct ip_fw, and allow setsockopt() to work only on the initial part of the structure. suggestions ? The first one is a quick solution to the problem, i am just not sure how widespread are rules using 8,9,10 ports (where there is a difference between new and old behaviour). cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 08:26:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13962 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:26:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13951 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:26:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA10840; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:25:54 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id RAA01417; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:25:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980428172548.21094@follo.net> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:25:48 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Luigi Rizzo , Julian Elischer Cc: kjc@csl.sony.co.jp, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bandwidth throttling etc. References: <3540D3AE.52BFA1D7@whistle.com> <199804280857.KAA26098@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199804280857.KAA26098@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>; from Luigi Rizzo on Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 10:57:56AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 10:57:56AM +0200, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > Playing with ipfirewall and mbufs, i am hitting a problem related to > the size of mbufs. > > In my implementation, i need to add a couple of fields (6 bytes total) > to the struct ip_fw, bringing its size to 112 bytes. > > setsockopt() fails for sizes>108 bytes. > > there are two ways i can save the space: > > 1) reduce IP_FW_MAX_PORTS to 7 instead of 10 > 2) move counters and statistic info (timestamp) to the end > of the struct ip_fw, and allow setsockopt() to work only > on the initial part of the structure. > > suggestions ? The first one is a quick solution to the problem, i am > just not sure how widespread are rules using 8,9,10 ports (where there > is a difference between new and old behaviour). Search for 'On a new IPFW interface, w/potentially wider applications' in the archives, and tell me what you think. This is a description of a solution for the problem, which also get rid of the entire problem of the IPFW structure changing (disconnecting the userland program from the actual structure). Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 09:48:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04075 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:48:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04064 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:48:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA13282; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd013269; Tue Apr 28 16:39:04 1998 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:33:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Luigi Rizzo cc: kjc@csl.sony.co.jp, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bandwidth throttling etc. In-Reply-To: <199804280857.KAA26098@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG wasn't setsockopt changed to do > 108 in a recent -current? (2 weeks ago?) have you a new -current? On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > Playing with ipfirewall and mbufs, i am hitting a problem related to > the size of mbufs. > > In my implementation, i need to add a couple of fields (6 bytes total) > to the struct ip_fw, bringing its size to 112 bytes. > > setsockopt() fails for sizes>108 bytes. > > there are two ways i can save the space: > > 1) reduce IP_FW_MAX_PORTS to 7 instead of 10 > 2) move counters and statistic info (timestamp) to the end > of the struct ip_fw, and allow setsockopt() to work only > on the initial part of the structure. > > suggestions ? The first one is a quick solution to the problem, i am > just not sure how widespread are rules using 8,9,10 ports (where there > is a difference between new and old behaviour). > > cheers > luigi > -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- > Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione > email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa > tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) > fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ > _____________________________|______________________________________ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 10:40:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14486 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:40:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14469; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:40:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00488; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804281636.JAA00488@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Patches to Linux emulator enc. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:46:45 +0800." <199804100646.OAA27390@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:36:39 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > These diffs implement the mremap & ioperm system calls for Linux, which is > sufficient to allow a certain Linux 3d visualisation & simulation program to > run. The work was done by Amancio Hasty & another whose name I can't recall at > the moment. I would've sent it in as a PR, but don't have a machine with > send-pr attached to the net at the moment. These patches have the following problems. If you can address these, I'll make sure they're committed. - they back out some of the time-related changes. - the linux_ioperm() emulation does not check for appropriate priviledges before succeeding. This would open a gaping security hole. Thanks, and sorry for taking so long to get back to you on them. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 11:12:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21476 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:12:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21463 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:12:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA26842; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:35:54 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199804281635.SAA26842@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Bandwidth throttling etc. To: julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:35:54 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: kjc@csl.sony.co.jp, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Julian Elischer" at Apr 28, 98 09:33:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > wasn't setsockopt changed to do > 108 in a recent -current? (2 weeks ago?) > > have you a new -current? i am running -stable, and don't want to go -current (at least, not for a thing like this where a one-line change does the job). would it be possible to bring the update to setsockopt() into -stable ? Looks like a simple fix (haven't looked at the code in detail, but what's more than malloc'ing a different, larger mbuf ?) cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 11:16:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22739 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:16:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [209.47.148.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22720 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:16:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.8.8/8.7.5) with SMTP id OAA18772; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:16:54 -0400 (EDT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: "Reginald S. Perry" cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Onboard temperature sensor? In-Reply-To: <006701bd726c$31f3fd30$0200000a@trane.img.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Reginald S. Perry wrote: > Hi there, > What PII boards have this feature? All of them, that I'm aware of...no? Check out LDCM on Alta Vista: http://www.data-tech.co.za/LanDesk.htm http://www.asus.com/PressRel/97-05-07-ldcm.asp http://whatis.com/ldcm.htm http://www.a-trend.com/products/motherboard/atc5050.htm And, with a very quite pursual, the most informed appears to be: http://134.134.214.2/ial/wfm/design/ldcm.htm > > Thanks > > -Reggie > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of The Hermit Hacker > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 1998 12:08 PM > To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Onboard temperature sensor? > > > > Hi... > > I just picked up a new PII, and one of the things that these > boards have is onboard temperature sensors for various things (CPU > temperature and whatnot)... > > Do we have any utilities to make use of this? > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 11:20:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23763 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:20:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23756 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:20:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00622; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804281707.KAA00622@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Doug Rabson cc: Mike Smith , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ELF kernels: When? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:09:14 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:07:55 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I spent some time this weekend doing exactly that. I pulled NetBSD's > libsa, libz and i386/stand into our tree and hacked on them until they > built. I made some ugly hacks in there to construct FreeBSD style > bootinfo and slice stuff, so it should boot most things. I haven't > actually tried it on a real machine (my scratch box is in pieces) but it > works fine under bochs (bochs is a godsend for this kind of work :-). I'm wondering how you got it to compile. 8( It patches OK onto -current, but doesn't build due to not finding stand.h and libkern.h. > If anyone is interested, the hacked sources are in > freefall:~dfr/netbsdboot.diff.gz. I think they should apply cleanly. If > they don't tell me. Consider yourself told. 8) If you want a real challenge, how about pulling libsa out seperately, and making the libz build from the standard libz sources. I still dream of extricating the bootloader from the kernel. 8) ... and just for dessert, I take it you were only building the biosboot loader? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 12:48:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18493 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:48:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov (gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18369; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:47:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cshenton@gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov) Received: from wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (WireHead.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.88]) by gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20630; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from cshenton@localhost) by wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26318; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:47:29 -0400 (EDT) To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bridging... References: <199804240607.IAA20557@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> X-Emacs: Emacs 20.2, MULE 3.0 (MOMIJINOGA) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.2.0 - "Nishiizumi") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Chris Shenton Date: 28 Apr 1998 15:47:29 -0400 In-Reply-To: Luigi Rizzo's message of Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:07:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: Lines: 38 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi Rizzo writes: > I am trying to see what could be the best way to implement bridging > within FreeBSD. The main app would be to connect 10/100 Mbit > interfaces in the most transparent way (I know doing packet filtering > on a 100 Mbit segment places a bit of load on the host and a > dedicated solution could be cheaper/more efficient). I'm very interested in this as well, but I'm on 2.2.6. I picked up an 8-port 100Mbps (only!)-: hub for $100 from one of the web auction houses and want to connect my home boxes which have 100Mbps interfaces: x86 with FreeBSD and hopefully BeOS soon. But I've also got some old Suns and a laptop with 10Mbps interfaces which I can't afford to upgrade. Total of about 10 systems on a pair of 10Mbps minihubs right now. My plan is to split the net with the 100Mbps machines on the 100Mbps hub, and the 10Mbps boxes on the 10Mbps hub. I'll of course need to get traffic to flow across both. I was thinking I could put a 10Mbps and a 100Mbps card in my box which already dials my ISP 24x7 and let it move the packets to the right place. I'm looking for advice for how to get them from net to net. I've got a /240 subnet from my ISP. I'd really prefer not to subnet this into two /248s and lose two more addresses in the process. I'd also like to avoid dealing with gated If I can. Is there some simple bridging SW? I didn't find anything in the ports. If there is, what kind of HW do I need to support bridging at this speed? I don't need packet filtering and other firewall functions here, but if something like Drawbridge is the easiest thing to make work, I can do that. As long as it also will let me talk out the PPP interface to the world. Thanks a lot. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 12:58:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19903 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:58:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19898 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:58:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01057 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804281855.LAA01057@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:55:27 -0700 From: Mike Smith Subject: Re: doscmd problem Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To: undisclosed-recipients:; ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Martin Machacek cc: emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: doscmd problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:27:46 +0200." <199804281328.GAA20227@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:55:27 -0700 From: Mike Smith > I'm trying to make doscmd running on my FreeBSD 3.0 (cvsuped and world made on > March 20). I've very closely followed the example on the doscmd's manpage. > I've created minimalisitic /etc/doscmdrc saying: > > X11_FONT=fixed > assign A: /dev/rfd0.1440 1440 > assign A: /dev/rfd0.720 720 You should probably only have one of these. > assign hard /u/doscmd/disk_c 30 > > I've touched the /u/doscmd/disk_c file and made it world readable and > writable. I would normally not use a BIOS harddisk emulation, just due to nuisance value. Instead, try: boot a: assign a: /u/doscmd/bootimage assign c: / Put the 'instbsdi.com' file on your boot floppy, add it to the autoexec.bat script, and then dd the floppy image off to the bootimage file. This will give you drive c: rooted at the top of your filesystem. - -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 13:24:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25334 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:24:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25323 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:24:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by nlsystems.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA19069; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:54:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:54:25 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Mike Smith cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ELF kernels: When? In-Reply-To: <199804281707.KAA00622@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > I spent some time this weekend doing exactly that. I pulled NetBSD's > > libsa, libz and i386/stand into our tree and hacked on them until they > > built. I made some ugly hacks in there to construct FreeBSD style > > bootinfo and slice stuff, so it should boot most things. I haven't > > actually tried it on a real machine (my scratch box is in pieces) but it > > works fine under bochs (bochs is a godsend for this kind of work :-). > > I'm wondering how you got it to compile. 8( It patches OK onto > -current, but doesn't build due to not finding stand.h and libkern.h. You probably can't build from libsa itself. If you make in biosboot, it sets up some cunning arguments to point cpp at the right directories. > > > If anyone is interested, the hacked sources are in > > freefall:~dfr/netbsdboot.diff.gz. I think they should apply cleanly. If > > they don't tell me. > > Consider yourself told. 8) Where are you trying to make and what was the error? I'll fix it if I can see it :). > > If you want a real challenge, how about pulling libsa out seperately, > and making the libz build from the standard libz sources. I still > dream of extricating the bootloader from the kernel. 8) Hmm. I think it *might* be possible to use libz from /usr/src/lib but it really needs to be rebuilt in a cunning way (I think) so that it can run in the standalone environment. I'll think about it. I don't think the i386 bootloader will have much resemblance to the alpha bootloader so that part should stay with the kernel since it has such an intimate relationship with it. > > ... and just for dessert, I take it you were only building the biosboot > loader? Of course! I also built installboot (which was pretty easy). I don't expect to have much trouble with dosboot and netboot but I can't test them. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 951 1891 Fax: +44 181 381 1039 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 13:43:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29480 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:43:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (rc-55.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29452 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:43:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA03443 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:42:50 -0300 (ADT) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:42:49 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Odd problem with ppp -alias ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Morning... I just setup an 'internal, at home' network of two machines, hooked together with a single 10baseT ethernet cable, no hub. Machine A (with modem) is configured as 192.168.0.1, Machine B is 192.168.0.2. Now, if I try to telnet from Machine B to A, with no default route set, it works fine. As soon as I set a default route for machine B to point at Machine A, it no longer works. *If* I startup 'ppp -auto -alias ', the routing works fine *but* I'd prefer not to have to keep the connection up 24/7... I've gone over everything I can think of, but can't find anything obviously wrong...when everything is up, I can telnet to remote hosts from the 'hidden' machine, so everything appears to be fine... Both machines are running 3.0, one SNAP, the other about a month old, if that means anything...? Thanks for any help you can provide... Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 19:30:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14083 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:30:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (daemon@smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14061 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:30:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05708; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:30:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd005650; Tue Apr 28 19:29:54 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA08317; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:29:45 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199804290229.TAA08317@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Diffs to support RAIDframe on FreeBSDu To: regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk (Philippe Regnauld) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 02:29:45 +0000 (GMT) Cc: karl@mcs.net, tlambert@primenet.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980427151648.02410@deepo.prosa.dk> from "Philippe Regnauld" at Apr 27, 98 03:16:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Does anyone want to turn this into a port? > > > > It appears that this, along with baseline support for the AAA-130 series > > Adaptec controllers, gives us instant RAID on FreeBSD. > > > > > > > > http://www.pdl.cs.cmu.edu/RAIDframe/ > > What is the status on this, BTW ? I made patches. I sent them to the maintainer. The maintainer replied that they will be included in the next release. There may or may not have been a next release yet; if so, the code will work on FreeBSD "out of the box"; if not, you will need my patches (see the -current list archives). It apparently runs. I am not terribly impressed at calculating values in software that should probably be caclcualted in hardware, but the code beats having to buy more hardware (I suppose). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 19:36:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15560 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:36:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15555 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:36:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06348; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:36:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd006293; Tue Apr 28 19:36:20 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA08885; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:36:18 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199804290236.TAA08885@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: mono_time? To: root@enigami.com (root) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 02:36:18 +0000 (GMT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199804280114.VAA02892@singularity.enigami.com> from "root" at Apr 27, 98 09:14:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Can anyone tell me what is going on with mono_time? There are a couple of > files in the kernel source that use it, as does CAM, and there is even a > man page that references it, but it doesn't seem to actually be defined > anywhere! > > Now, I am guessing that this was in vogue a while back, and is now a passing > fad, as the CAM stuff built in the past, but doesn't (at least for me) any > more. So, what should replace it? The system clock can be drift adjusted by syncing with an external timebase. If the drift adjustment is for a fast clock, this will cause time to go back into the past. If time goes back into the past, some events that should not recurr will end up being "replayed" as time moves into the future again. To combat this, you need a clock which is not subject to drift adjustment. Such a clock would be a "monotonically increasing value". Or a "mono_time", for short. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 20:59:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03047 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:59:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pcpsj.pfcs.com (0lS5jnbZZOeRbYIxzLL+BWoxzjdxlqoQ@harlan.fred.net [205.252.219.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA03022 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:59:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Harlan.Stenn@pfcs.com) Received: from mumps.pfcs.com [192.52.69.11] (HELO mumps.pfcs.com) by pcpsj.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brown.pfcs.com [192.52.69.44] (HELO brown.pfcs.com) by mumps.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 20:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1] (HELO brown.pfcs.com) by brown.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:59:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bin/6353 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s (jkh@time.cdrom.com) message dated Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:40:55. <7083.893738455@time.cdrom.com> X-Face: "csXK}xnnsH\h_ce`T#|pM]tG,6Xu.{3Rb\]&XJgVyTS'w{E+|-(}n:c(Cc* $cbtusxDP6T)Hr'k&zrwq0.3&~bAI~YJco[r.mE+K|(q]F=ZNXug:s6tyOk{VTqARy0#axm6BWti9C d Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:59:19 -0400 Message-ID: <19752.893822359@brown.pfcs.com> From: Harlan Stenn Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, it still needs a little polish, but it compiles. Does somebody want to take a look at what I've done? H To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 21:04:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04153 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:04:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04140 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:04:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00316 for current@freebsd.org; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:04:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199804290404.XAA00316@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Warning, but good VM news To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:04:00 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am about to commit some VM improvements that should get rid of some of the pseudo-memory leaks that some people have been seeing. I was spurred on by Chuck Cranor from NetBSD, regarding some criticisms of the MACH VM code. The problems aren't impossible to solve, and these changes to be committed in about 1Hr, should mitigate most of them. Note that I would ask that you torture your -current system(s) before deploying after the changes. Please walk carefully, but the new code should really cause many problems. It is not in its (:-)) final form yet, but should be functional. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 21:20:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07805 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:20:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA07798 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:20:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA00035 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 04:20:30 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id GAA05776; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:20:29 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980429062028.21265@follo.net> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:20:28 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Heads up: LKM recompile needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FYI: After the trap change last night, at least the Linux and iBCS2 LKMs need re-compilation. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 21:37:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12041 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:37:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA12027 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:37:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id FAA27650; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:01:35 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199804290301.FAA27650@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Bandwidth throttling etc. To: eivind@yes.no (Eivind Eklund) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:01:35 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: julian@whistle.com, kjc@csl.sony.co.jp, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980428172548.21094@follo.net> from "Eivind Eklund" at Apr 28, 98 05:25:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Search for 'On a new IPFW interface, w/potentially wider applications' > in the archives, and tell me what you think. > > This is a description of a solution for the problem, which also get > rid of the entire problem of the IPFW structure changing your proposal probably does more than i need. others suggested that the setsockopt limitation can be easily overcome (and it is already done in -current). more comments later. cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 21:42:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13499 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:42:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA13431; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id FAA27667; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:06:13 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199804290306.FAA27667@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Bridging... To: cshenton@it.hq.nasa.gov (Chris Shenton) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:06:13 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Chris Shenton" at Apr 28, 98 03:47:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm very interested in this as well, but I'm on 2.2.6. i generally run -stable so that is not a problem. > Is there some simple bridging SW? I didn't find anything in the there is a 10mb-ony bridge code for a dedicated box on my page, or a freebsd version of drawbridge on their site (forget the url). > ports. If there is, what kind of HW do I need to support bridging at > this speed? I don't need packet filtering and other firewall functions nothing special (well, some cards have nice capabilities such as sending an interrupt after the first part of the pkt arrived, so you can start forwarding checks (and possibly the actual forwarding) sooner, but we are not talking about top performance, just something that works. cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Apr 28 22:58:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26522 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:58:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26516 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:58:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA01424; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:58:39 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id HAA06268; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:58:39 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980429075835.10422@follo.net> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:58:35 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: "John S. Dyson" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Warning, but good VM news References: <199804290404.XAA00316@dyson.iquest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199804290404.XAA00316@dyson.iquest.net>; from John S. Dyson on Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 11:04:00PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 11:04:00PM -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > Note that I would ask that you torture your -current system(s) > before deploying after the changes. Please walk carefully, > but the new code should really cause many problems. I _hope_ this is intended to read 'cure'. :-) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 00:35:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14527 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:35:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@mail.ftf.dk [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14521 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:35:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18659; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:19:22 +0200 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id JAA09493; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:42:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id JAA19038; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:20:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980429092054.21218@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:20:54 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: Harlan Stenn Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: upgrading AMD to am-utils (Was: bin/6353) References: <7083.893738455@time.cdrom.com> <19752.893822359@brown.pfcs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19752.893822359@brown.pfcs.com>; from Harlan Stenn on Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 11:59:19PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 Organization: PROSA Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Harlan Stenn writes: > Well, it still needs a little polish, but it compiles. > > Does somebody want to take a look at what I've done? [Note: 6353 concerns AMD and its fossil state.] How about a URL ? -- -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- «Pluto placed his bad dog at the entrance of Hades to keep the dead IN and the living OUT! The archetypical corporate firewall?» - S. Kelly Bootle To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 00:57:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18937 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:57:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18932 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:57:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA08966; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd008963; Wed Apr 29 07:52:43 1998 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:47:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Terry Lambert cc: root , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mono_time? In-Reply-To: <199804290236.TAA08885@usr01.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG but it's been replaced bu soething else.. when all the clocks changed recently On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Can anyone tell me what is going on with mono_time? There are a couple of > > files in the kernel source that use it, as does CAM, and there is even a > > man page that references it, but it doesn't seem to actually be defined > > anywhere! > > > > Now, I am guessing that this was in vogue a while back, and is now a passing > > fad, as the CAM stuff built in the past, but doesn't (at least for me) any > > more. So, what should replace it? > > The system clock can be drift adjusted by syncing with an external > timebase. > > If the drift adjustment is for a fast clock, this will cause time > to go back into the past. > > If time goes back into the past, some events that should not recurr > will end up being "replayed" as time moves into the future again. > > To combat this, you need a clock which is not subject to drift > adjustment. > > Such a clock would be a "monotonically increasing value". > > Or a "mono_time", for short. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 01:42:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27376 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:42:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA27354 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 01:42:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA20662; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:47:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199804290647.HAA20662@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: The Hermit Hacker cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Odd problem with ppp -alias ... In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:42:49 -0300." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:47:32 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Morning... > > I just setup an 'internal, at home' network of two machines, > hooked together with a single 10baseT ethernet cable, no hub. Machine A > (with modem) is configured as 192.168.0.1, Machine B is 192.168.0.2. > > Now, if I try to telnet from Machine B to A, with no default route > set, it works fine. As soon as I set a default route for machine B to > point at Machine A, it no longer works. > > *If* I startup 'ppp -auto -alias ', the routing > works fine *but* I'd prefer not to have to keep the connection up 24/7... > > I've gone over everything I can think of, but can't find anything > obviously wrong...when everything is up, I can telnet to remote hosts from > the 'hidden' machine, so everything appears to be fine... > > Both machines are running 3.0, one SNAP, the other about a month > old, if that means anything...? > > Thanks for any help you can provide... Your local machine names/IPs aren't resolving. You should probably set up a local dns that primaries for your LAN and specifies your ISPs DNSs as forwards. > Marc G. Fournier > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 02:07:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01860 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 02:07:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA01849; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 02:07:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from freno.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@freno.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.167]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA12195; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:02:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by freno.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA08422; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:02:29 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980429110229.A8210@freno.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:02:29 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Bruce Evans , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/share/mk bsd.man.mk References: <199804271508.IAA14836@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <199804271508.IAA14836@freefall.freebsd.org>; from Bruce Evans on Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 08:08:07AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Bruce fixed a BSD 4.4 makefile bug] I recommend to read the paper Recursive Make Considered Harmful, by Peter Miller http://www.canb.auug.org.au/~millerp/rmch/recu-make-cons-harm.html A non-recursive make should perform make -jN much better. On 1998-04-27 08:08:07 -0700, Bruce Evans wrote: > bde 1998/04/27 08:08:07 PDT > > Modified files: > share/mk bsd.man.mk > Log: > Don't include ../Makefile.inc here. bsd.man.mk is always included > in another .mk file which has already included ../Makefile.inc, so > including ../Makefike.inc again mainly messed up `+=' definitions. > > Revision Changes Path > 1.27 +1 -6 src/share/mk/bsd.man.mk -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 02:24:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA04994 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 02:24:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.mishkei.org.il (host3-64.mishkei.org.il [62.0.64.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA04974 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 02:24:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lickyou@ein-hashofet.co.il) Received: from box.from.hell (host46-68.mishkei.org.il [62.0.68.46]) by mail.mishkei.org.il (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA00022; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:23:47 +0300 Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:23:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Gilad Rom X-Sender: lickyou@box.from.hell To: Brian Somers cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Odd problem with ppp -alias ... In-Reply-To: <199804290647.HAA20662@awfulhak.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Did you setup gateway="YES" in /etc/rc.conf? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 02:43:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA09954 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 02:43:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA09876 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 02:43:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from papillon.lemis.com ([192.122.138.250]) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA20029; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:12:08 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (grog@localhost) by papillon.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id NAA00546; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:46:41 +0800 (SGT) Message-ID: <19980429134639.55598@papillon.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:46:39 +0800 From: Greg Lehey To: Peter Wemm , Garrett Wollman Cc: Michael Hancock , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netinet ip_fw.c References: <199804241515.LAA09494@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <199804241534.XAA15328@spinner.netplex.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199804241534.XAA15328@spinner.netplex.com.au>; from Peter Wemm on Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 11:34:01PM +0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 24 April 1998 at 23:34:01 +0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > Garrett Wollman wrote: >> < jp> said: >> >>> On Fri, 24 Apr 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: >>>> That is, "ps" operates on system dumps as well as running systems. >> >> We have already determined that this mode of operation will not be >> supported in the future (right, dg?). If you want to debug a kernel >> dump, use the debugger. > > IMHO, this is fine as long as gdb gets a 'ps' command. > > What I'd love to see is a cross between gdb and the SVR4 crash(1M) command. > That would be a seriously powerful combination. > > root@gecko[5:19pm]~peter/src/startppp-116# crash > dumpfile = /dev/mem, namelist = /stand/unix, outfile = stdout >> ? > > (etc) > > Basically crash(1M) for those who've not seen it, is kinda like a > user-mode DDB but it knows how to display just about everything in detail > ranging from summary mode to huge detail. Well, I'd like the *functionality* of crash without the emetic syntax. It's high on my list of "must do if I ever find the time". The really big thing that ddb and remote gdb both don't do is show you the state of processes which aren't executing at the time. If you're debugging a multi-process scenario, this is a must (it's also pretty indispensible for debugging hangs). > So, if somebody ever had huge amounts of spare time, a combination of GDB's > source debugging, a DDB/crash(1M) style interface and a decent scripting > system would be dynamite. We could then have a reasonable chance of > putting together a sample script to do information gathering for people to > run on their crashdumps for inclusion with send-pr etc. Add in gdb-remote > and you've really got something worth yelling about. Well, I'd like to say "yes", but I promised to do it two years ago, so I don't need to promise again (and you can also gauge the likelihood of me doing it now). What I do have, though, is some code from a kernel debugger I wrote for BSD/386 about 6 years ago, before ddb and friends were available on this platform. It does some things that ddb doesn't, including hardware breakpoints (using the debugging registers). If anybody wants it, let me know. It will need at least minor interface modification to work with FreeBSD. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 04:41:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05931 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 04:41:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from icicle.winternet.com (adm@icicle.winternet.com [198.174.169.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05923 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 04:41:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mestery@mail.winternet.com) Received: (from adm@localhost) by icicle.winternet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA16649; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:41:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tundra.winternet.com(198.174.169.11) by icicle.winternet.com via smap (V2.0) id xma016618; Wed, 29 Apr 98 06:41:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (mestery@localhost) by tundra.winternet.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id GAA17782; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:41:31 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: tundra.winternet.com: mestery owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:41:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Kyle Mestery To: The Hermit Hacker cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Odd problem with ppp -alias ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > Now, if I try to telnet from Machine B to A, with no default route > set, it works fine. As soon as I set a default route for machine B to > point at Machine A, it no longer works. > > *If* I startup 'ppp -auto -alias ', the routing > works fine *but* I'd prefer not to have to keep the connection up 24/7... > I have seen this same problem. The solution is to make sure you delete the default route on machine A when the ppp link is not up. That should allow you to telnet from B to A when the ppp link is down. -- Kyle Mestery StorageTek's Network Systems Group "Keep honking, I'm reloading." "Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 05:33:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16894 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:33:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16881 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 05:33:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karl@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (karl@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id HAA15910; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:33:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id HAA05883; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:33:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19980429073329.15469@mcs.net> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:33:29 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: "John S. Dyson" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Warning, but good VM news References: <199804290404.XAA00316@dyson.iquest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <199804290404.XAA00316@dyson.iquest.net>; from John S. Dyson on Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 11:04:00PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 11:04:00PM -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > I am about to commit some VM improvements that should get > rid of some of the pseudo-memory leaks that some people have > been seeing. I was spurred on by Chuck Cranor from NetBSD, > regarding some criticisms of the MACH VM code. The problems > aren't impossible to solve, and these changes to be committed > in about 1Hr, should mitigate most of them. > > Note that I would ask that you torture your -current system(s) > before deploying after the changes. Please walk carefully, > but the new code should really cause many problems. It is not ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > in its (:-)) final form yet, but should be functional. > > John Aieeeeeee! :) I assume that's a typo, but its darn funny! :-) -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly / All Lines K56Flex/DOV | NEW! Corporate ISDN Prices dropped by up to 50%! Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 06:03:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22634 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:03:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [209.47.148.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA22628 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:03:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.8.8/8.7.5) with SMTP id JAA06687; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:03:21 -0400 (EDT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Gilad Rom cc: Brian Somers , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Odd problem with ppp -alias ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Gilad Rom wrote: > Did you setup gateway="YES" in /etc/rc.conf? Yes... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 06:31:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA29805 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:31:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.giovannelli.it (www.giovannelli.it [194.184.65.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA29766 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:31:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gmarco@giovannelli.it) Received: from giovannelli.it (modem00.masternet.it [194.184.65.254]) by www.giovannelli.it (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00567 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:28:05 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <354748AC.455C6A6D@giovannelli.it> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:35:08 +0000 From: Gianmarco Giovannelli X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD 3.0" Subject: Postgres crash after make world Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After this morning cvsup and make world postgres 6.3.2 crash at the first use... (yesterday it works like a charm :) This is the error: PQexec() -- Request was sent to backend, but backend closed the channel before responding. This probably means the backend terminated abnormally before or while processing the request. I tried to delete the package and to reinstall it but with the same results... Now I am cvsupping again... Any other experience this thing ? -- Regards... Gianmarco "Unix expert since yesterday" http://www.giovannelli.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 10:02:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12854 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:02:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12841 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:02:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA00262; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:58:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199804291658.LAA00262@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Warning, but good VM news In-Reply-To: <19980429075835.10422@follo.net> from Eivind Eklund at "Apr 29, 98 07:58:35 am" To: eivind@yes.no (Eivind Eklund) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:58:03 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Eivind Eklund said: > On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 11:04:00PM -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > > Note that I would ask that you torture your -current system(s) > > before deploying after the changes. Please walk carefully, > > but the new code should really cause many problems. > > I _hope_ this is intended to read 'cure'. :-) > You are right :-). -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 11:38:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01661 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:38:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01621; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:37:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA28039; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:37:53 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id UAA10041; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:37:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980429203752.18474@follo.net> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 20:37:52 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Warning, but good VM news References: <19980429075835.10422@follo.net> <199804291658.LAA00262@dyson.iquest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199804291658.LAA00262@dyson.iquest.net>; from John S. Dyson on Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 11:58:03AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 11:58:03AM -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > Eivind Eklund said: > > On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 11:04:00PM -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > > > Note that I would ask that you torture your -current system(s) > > > before deploying after the changes. Please walk carefully, > > > but the new code should really cause many problems. > > > > I _hope_ this is intended to read 'cure'. :-) > > > > You are right :-). BTW: Will this do anything with the daemon-dies-on-out-of-memory problem? It is getting quite bothersome... :-( Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 12:49:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12725 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:49:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12711; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:49:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00816; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:49:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199804291949.OAA00816@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Warning, but good VM news In-Reply-To: <19980429203752.18474@follo.net> from Eivind Eklund at "Apr 29, 98 08:37:52 pm" To: eivind@yes.no (Eivind Eklund) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:49:16 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 11:58:03AM -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > > Eivind Eklund said: > > > On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 11:04:00PM -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > > > > Note that I would ask that you torture your -current system(s) > > > > before deploying after the changes. Please walk carefully, > > > > but the new code should really cause many problems. > > > > > > I _hope_ this is intended to read 'cure'. :-) > > > > > > > You are right :-). > > BTW: Will this do anything with the daemon-dies-on-out-of-memory > problem? > > It is getting quite bothersome... :-( > This is the thing where deamons can build up memory, but it is "nowhere." John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 14:15:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01074 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:15:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from friley585.res.iastate.edu (friley585.res.iastate.edu [129.186.167.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01044 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:14:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley585.res.iastate.edu) Received: from friley585.res.iastate.edu (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by friley585.res.iastate.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00921 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:14:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley585.res.iastate.edu) Message-Id: <199804292114.QAA00921@friley585.res.iastate.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: freebsd-net mailing list? (Re: Bandwidth throttling etc.) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:16:36 CDT." <199804250016.TAA01428@friley585.res.iastate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:14:51 -0500 From: Chris Csanady Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There seems to be a growing interest in networking--would it be possible to have a freebsd-net mailing list created for technical discussion of networking? Aside from that, I have to wonder if the below part of my earlier message was simply missed, or just plain ignored. I am describing a serious and real problem here--something that needs to be dealt with. It can cause *horrible* performance for some applications. Earlier someone posted about a web server getting 5 transactions/sec. This also had terrible effects on our clustering performance until we disabled the delayed acks. The problem basically causes throughput to effectively drop to *zero* for some message sizes. That being said, my intent is not whine and complain about this until someone fixes it. Rather, I would simply like to see some discussion of the problems.. Chris Csanady -- [ talk of increasing cluster size deleted ] >Whether we use mbufs clusters or whatever, the packets should be >contiguous. I think that this in itself causes somewhat of a problem >with regards to the current socket buffer handling. Currently, the fact >that the advertised window is calculated based on the total memory consumed >by the mbufs--and not only the data, is causing serious performance >problems. This interaction with delayed acks is the only Really Bad thing >wrong with our stack that I have noticed. > >I believe that BSDI has done some work to deal with this by creating an >m_compress function that collapses wasted space. [ other random networking stuff deleted ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 16:18:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01851 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:18:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.giovannelli.it (www.giovannelli.it [194.184.65.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01725 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:17:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gmarco@giovannelli.it) Received: from giovannelli.it (modem00.masternet.it [194.184.65.254]) by www.giovannelli.it (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA01006 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:14:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3547D218.1E592120@giovannelli.it> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:21:28 +0000 From: Gianmarco Giovannelli X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "FreeBSD 3.0" Subject: Re: Postgres crash after make world References: <354748AC.455C6A6D@giovannelli.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote: > > After this morning cvsup and make world postgres 6.3.2 crash at the > first use... > (yesterday it works like a charm :) > > This is the error: > PQexec() -- Request was sent to backend, but backend closed the channel > before responding. > This probably means the backend terminated abnormally before or > while processing the request. > > I tried to delete the package and to reinstall it but with the same > results... > > Now I am cvsupping again... > > Any other experience this thing ? The new cvsupping doesn't solve the problem of postgres and of gimp 0.99.26 (yes, it too ). While a cvsup with *default date=98.04.26.23.59.00, make world, build kernel and reboot let these 2 programs run again... Boh... any tips ? -- Regards... Gianmarco "Unix expert since yesterday" http://www.giovannelli.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 17:46:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19131 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:46:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19104 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:45:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01618; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:45:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199804300045.TAA01618@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Warning, but good VM news In-Reply-To: <19980429073329.15469@mcs.net> from Karl Denninger at "Apr 29, 98 07:33:29 am" To: karl@Mcs.Net (Karl Denninger) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:45:24 -0500 (EST) Cc: toor@dyson.iquest.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 11:04:00PM -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: > > I am about to commit some VM improvements that should get > > rid of some of the pseudo-memory leaks that some people have > > been seeing. I was spurred on by Chuck Cranor from NetBSD, > > regarding some criticisms of the MACH VM code. The problems > > aren't impossible to solve, and these changes to be committed > > in about 1Hr, should mitigate most of them. > > > > Note that I would ask that you torture your -current system(s) > > before deploying after the changes. Please walk carefully, > > but the new code should really cause many problems. It is not > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > in its (:-)) final form yet, but should be functional. > > > > John > > Aieeeeeee! :) > > I assume that's a typo, but its darn funny! :-) > No, I actually believe it :-). I have had the ideas embodied in the fixes around for quite a while, but everytime I touch the VM code, I break it. I did mean to say shouldn't really or equivalent. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 19:19:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07568 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:19:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (tc-57.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA07484 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:18:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id XAA00597 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:18:27 -0300 (ADT) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:18:27 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3.0CURRENT as of last night... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG netstat -nr Apr 29 22:16:46 athome /kernel: pid 582 (netstat), uid 0: exited on signal 11 Segmentation fault athome# route delete default writing to routing socket: No such process delete net default: not in table I did a make of the kernel...rebooted...and then a 'make world' that appeared to be successful... Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 19:42:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12138 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:42:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12072 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:42:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA23843 for current@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:44:34 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199804300244.MAA23843@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Heads up: errno To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:44:34 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The time has come to remove the #ifdef _THREAD_SAFE around the thread-aware definition of errno so that libc can be used with libpthread and kernel threads. The ports build behaves differently as soon as there is a libpthread in /usr/lib, so people should be aware of this when kernel threads come on line. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 21:20:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27628 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:20:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (tc-11.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA27614 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:20:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id BAA01361 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:20:35 -0300 (ADT) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:20:33 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: bc broken in current tree... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG cc -O -pipe -DHAVE_VPRINTF=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_ISGRAPH=1 -DHAVE_LIMITS_H=1 -DHAVE_STDARG_H=1 -DHAVE_STDDEF_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/bc/../../../contrib/bc/h -I. -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c bc.c In file included from /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/bc/../../../contrib/bc/bc/bc.y:31: /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/bc/../../../contrib/bc/h/bcdefs.h:30: config.h: No such file or directory *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. athome# find /usr/src/contrib/bc -name config.h -print Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 21:33:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29674 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:33:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (tc-11.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29651 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:32:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id BAA01421 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:32:25 -0300 (ADT) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:32:21 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.0CURRENT as of last night... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Fixed...was suggested that I might have CVSup just as VM changes were being done...current CVSup works fine, except 'bc' doesn't have a config.h file (should have been generated by configure and 'cvs add'd?) On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > netstat -nr > Apr 29 22:16:46 athome /kernel: pid 582 (netstat), uid 0: exited on signal > 11 > Segmentation fault > athome# route delete default > writing to routing socket: No such process > delete net default: not in table > > > I did a make of the kernel...rebooted...and then a 'make world' that > appeared to be successful... > > > Marc G. Fournier > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 23:21:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15561 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:21:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles358.castles.com [208.214.167.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15555 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:21:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00617; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804300517.WAA00617@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Harlan Stenn cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bin/6353 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:26:47 EDT." <2336.893730407@brown.pfcs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:17:20 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have am-utils almost fully "contrib"utized. > > There are two items pending. > > In one directory of the distribution, two binaries are built. One goes > into /usr/bin, the other in /usr/sbin/. These two programs use the same > set of .o files plus a unique .o (for main). Do I hafta split these out > into usr.bin/oneofem and usr.sbin/theother? That's the normal way of doing it, yes. > Second, there's a "scripts" directory that has about 11 scripts and a > sample config file. Can somebody point me at how I need to handle these? > > (I'm really hoping the answer is easier than: "Put each one in a separate > subdir and make a small Makefile for each one") Again, that's the normal way it's done. See the named.* scripts for examples. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Apr 29 23:46:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18970 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:46:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18964 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:46:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA24628; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:46:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA06919; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:46:16 -0600 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:46:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199804300646.AAA06919@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bc broken in current tree... In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Try this patch (note cut-n-paste white-space differences). Index: Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/gnu/usr.bin/bc/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.6 Makefile --- Makefile 1998/04/29 22:05:23 1.6 +++ Makefile 1998/04/30 06:43:44 @@ -18,7 +18,7 @@ CFLAGS+= -DHAVE_VPRINTF=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_ISGRAPH=1 \ -DHAVE_LIMITS_H=1 -DHAVE_STDARG_H=1 -DHAVE_STDDEF_H=1 \ -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 \ - -I${.CURDIR}/../../../contrib/bc/h -I. + -I${.CURDIR}/../../../contrib/bc/h -I${.CURDIR} CLEANFILES+= ${GENSRCS} y.tab.h To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 01:15:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00232 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:15:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from comp.polyu.edu.hk (csns02.COMP.POLYU.EDU.HK [158.132.25.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA00226 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:15:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from c5666305@comp.polyu.edu.hk) Received: from cssolar82.COMP.HKP.HK by comp.polyu.edu.hk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA21918; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:14:54 +0800 Received: (from c5666305@localhost) by cssolar82.COMP.HKP.HK (SMI-8.6/) id QAA12446 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:14:53 +0800 Message-Id: <199804300814.QAA12446@cssolar82.COMP.HKP.HK> Subject: floating porint exception error To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:14:53 +0800 (HKT) From: "c5666305" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I recent encounter an error which I don't know how to fix it. It is an MesaGL/GLUT application which halt at a statement as following: static int func(int n) { return 0.001 + M_PI / asin((2 * n)); } The error is floating point exception (core dump). The same program work okay under netbsd 1.3E. However it cannot be run under FreeBSD 2.2.6 and break at return 0.001 + ..... Any idea ? Thanks. Clarence To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 03:05:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA13543 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:05:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@mail.ftf.dk [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA13538 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:05:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06592; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:03:18 +0200 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id MAA11901; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:26:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id MAA08701; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:04:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980430120440.09104@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:04:40 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: c5666305 Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: floating porint exception error References: <199804300814.QAA12446@cssolar82.COMP.HKP.HK> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199804300814.QAA12446@cssolar82.COMP.HKP.HK>; from c5666305 on Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 04:14:53PM +0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 Organization: PROSA Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG c5666305 writes: > > I recent encounter an error which I don't know how to fix it. It is an > MesaGL/GLUT application which halt at a statement as following: > > static int > func(int n) > { > return 0.001 + M_PI / asin((2 * n)); > } 1) quick hack: #include fpsetmask(0L); 2) long term: notify the author. I had this problem with MoonLight 0.4.2. -- -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- «Pluto placed his bad dog at the entrance of Hades to keep the dead IN and the living OUT! The archetypical corporate firewall?» - S. Kelly Bootle To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 03:48:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA17977 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:48:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp [133.6.124.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA17969; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:48:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kato@migmatite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (8.8.8/3.6Wbeta7) with ESMTP id TAA03173; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:48:41 +0900 (JST) To: imp@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/conf Makefile.i386 src/sys/pc98/conf Makefile.pc98 From: KATO Takenori In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:21:37 -0700 (PDT)" <199804291821.LAA21587@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <199804291821.LAA21587@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.92.4 on Emacs 19.28 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) X-PGP-Fingerprint: 03 72 85 36 62 46 23 03 52 B1 10 22 44 10 0D 9E Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980430194841D.kato@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:48:41 +0900 X-Dispatcher: imput version 971024 Lines: 23 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warner Losh wrote: > sys/i386/conf Makefile.i386 > sys/pc98/conf Makefile.pc98 It works on PC-98 machine. > Use ${.TARGET} rather than $@. i386 tested, pc98 untested because config > on my box doesn't grok machine type pc98. The patch againt current config can be obtained from: http://www.freebsd.org/~kato/patches/config.diff The binary with above patch can generate both i386 and pc98 configuration files. -----------------------------------------------+--------------------------+ Kato Takenori | FreeBSD | Dept. Earth Planet. Sci, Nagoya Univ. | The powere to serve! | Nagoya, 464-8602, Japan | http://www.FreeBSD.org/ | ++++ FreeBSD(98) 2.2.6: Rev. 02 available! +==========================+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 04:24:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA24261 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 04:24:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA24225 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 04:24:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael_class@hp.com) Received: from hpbbse.bbn.hp.com (hpbbse.bbn.hp.com [15.136.26.26]) by palrel3.hp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id EAA14570 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 04:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hp.com (michaelc@tmbbwmc.bbn.hp.com [15.136.25.181]) by hpbbse.bbn.hp.com with ESMTP (8.7.6/8.7.3) id MAA07981 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:24:02 +0100 (MEZ) Message-ID: <35485F51.F1E1BECA@hp.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:24:01 +0200 From: Michael Class Organization: Hewlett-Packard GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/777) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: still getting signal 11 on sendmail and cron Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, just as a datapoint, after the recent VM-changes of John I am still getting the very same signal 11 things on running processes that do forks after some time of activity (and running low on swapspace, >60% swapusage). Michael -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Michael Class E-Mail: michael_class@hp.com E-Business Solutions Center Phone: +49 7031 14-3707 EBSO-SERC Fax: +49 7031 14-4196 __________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 08:38:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25858 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:38:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from watermarkgroup.com (lor.watermarkgroup.com [207.202.73.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA25851 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:38:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luoqi@watermarkgroup.com) Received: by watermarkgroup.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10192; Thu, 30 Apr 98 11:37:26 EDT Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 11:37:26 EDT From: luoqi@watermarkgroup.com (Luoqi Chen) Message-Id: <9804301537.AA10192@watermarkgroup.com> To: c5666305@comp.polyu.edu.hk, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: floating porint exception error Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hello, > > I recent encounter an error which I don't know how to fix it. It is an > MesaGL/GLUT application which halt at a statement as following: > > static int > func(int n) > { > return 0.001 + M_PI / asin((2 * n)); > } > > The error is floating point exception (core dump). The same program work > okay under netbsd 1.3E. However it cannot be run under FreeBSD 2.2.6 and > break at return 0.001 + ..... Any idea ? Thanks. > I am suprised that this ever worked. Basic trigonometry...(hint: |sin(x)|<=1). > > Clarence > -lq To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 12:34:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04746 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:34:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alushta.NL.net (alushta.NL.net [193.78.240.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04734 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:34:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paulz@trantor.stuyts.nl) Received: from stuyts by alushta.NL.net with UUCP id <14942-28880>; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:34:19 +0200 Received: from trantor.stuyts.nl (uucp@localhost) by terminus.stuyts.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id VAA28152 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:24:24 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from paulz@trantor.stuyts.nl) Received: from trantor.stuyts.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by trantor.stuyts.nl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA00736 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:56:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804301856.UAA00736@trantor.stuyts.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Apache 1.3b6 SIGBUSes on current kernel Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:56:54 +0200 From: Paul van der Zwan Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Apache 1.3b6 started gettting BUS errors on a -current system cvsupped and make world-ed yesterday. It writes the following in it's error log: [Thu Apr 30 10:23:02 1998] [notice] httpd: caught SIGBUS, attempting to dump core in /usr/local Might this be related to the VM changes ?? Paul -- Paul van der Zwan paulz @ trantor.stuyts.nl "I think I'll move to theory, everything works in theory..." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 13:23:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13901 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:23:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.exo.net.au (root@sky-valley.exo.net.au [203.14.230.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13876; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 13:23:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bullseye.apana.org.au!andymac@mail.exo.net.au) Received: by mail.exo.net.au id m0yUzr4-0004p5C (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Fri, 1 May 1998 06:22:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from bullseye.apana.org.au (central [203.9.107.245]) by bullseye.apana.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA14504; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:44:37 +1000 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:39:30 +1100 (EDT) From: Andrew MacIntyre To: Chris Shenton cc: Luigi Rizzo , current@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bridging... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-X-Sender: andymac@bullseye.apana.org.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 28 Apr 1998, Chris Shenton wrote: > I've got a /240 subnet from my ISP. I'd really prefer not to subnet > this into two /248s and lose two more addresses in the process. I'd > also like to avoid dealing with gated If I can. > > Is there some simple bridging SW? I didn't find anything in the > ports. If there is, what kind of HW do I need to support bridging at > this speed? I don't need packet filtering and other firewall functions > here, but if something like Drawbridge is the easiest thing to make > work, I can do that. As long as it also will let me talk out the PPP > interface to the world. I can see two approaches which might be possible with 2.2.6 as shipped on CD: 1. Use NATD on the system you use to connect to your ISP, and use this system as a router between two subnets (say 10.1.1 and 10.1.2, both /0) with static routes. One disadvantage of this would be that only the router would be visible from the internet. 2. proxy arp requests on the "bridge", with host routes specified for all machines attached to the hubs. This is normally impractical with more than a couple of machines, but your situation may be manageable. -- Andrew I MacIntyre "These thoughts are mine alone..." E-mail: andrew.macintyre@aba.gov.au (work) | Snail: PO Box 370 andymac@bullseye.apana.org.au (play) | Belconnen ACT 2616 Fido: Andrew MacIntyre, 3:620/243.18 | Australia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 14:36:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25996 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:36:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xcf.berkeley.edu (scam.XCF.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA25989 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:36:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nordwick@xcf.berkeley.edu) Received: (qmail 27186 invoked by uid 27268); 30 Apr 1998 21:37:41 -0000 Date: 30 Apr 1998 21:37:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19980430213741.27185.qmail@xcf.berkeley.edu> From: Jason Nordwick MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Time to get a backup device, suggestions ? X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It is now time for me to get a backup device with a good amount of storage (I have an 8 gig drive largest of 3). I have never used/owned a tape drive, so does anybody have any suggestions ? I am also a student so I dont have a ton of money to spend on it, but have some. Also when I see tape sizes I see things like 4G compresses 2G native, which size should I look at ? Is the compression done by the hardware or by the win32 drivers supplied ? SO would FBSD suport the compressions rates ? thanks jay To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 14:39:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26670 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:39:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [195.1.171.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA26637 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:39:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 3627 invoked by uid 1001); 30 Apr 1998 21:39:12 +0000 (GMT) To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Patches to recognize 440BX chipset X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.28.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:39:12 +0200 Message-ID: <3624.893972352@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just got my hands on a 400 Mhz PII with 440BX chipset (100 MHz bus and SDRAM, of course). pcisupport.c 1.62 doesn't recognize the 440BX chipset, producing Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x02 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x02 on pci0.1.0 I made the following patch to recognize the 440BX chipset: *** pci/pcisupport.c.orig Fri Mar 27 21:36:54 1998 --- pci/pcisupport.c Thu Apr 30 21:54:06 1998 *************** *** 214,219 **** --- 214,225 ---- return ("Intel 82371AB USB host controller"); case 0x71138086: return ("Intel 82371AB Power management controller"); + case 0x71908086: + return ("Intel 82443BX host to PCI bridge"); + case 0x71918086: + return ("Intel 82443BX host to AGP bridge"); + case 0x71928086: + return ("Intel 82443BX host to PCI bridge (AGP disabled)"); case 0x12378086: fixwsc_natoma(tag); return ("Intel 82440FX (Natoma) PCI and memory controller"); The machine is (not unexpectedly) rather fast. Here are some STREAMS results (just sent them to John McCalpin): Function Rate (MB/s) RMS time Min time Max time Copy: 304.0377 0.0528 0.0526 0.0542 Scale: 307.9172 0.0521 0.0520 0.0523 Add: 363.3005 0.0661 0.0661 0.0661 Triad: 315.3577 0.0762 0.0761 0.0762 Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 14:46:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27847 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:46:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (tc-40.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27841 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:46:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA03208 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:46:28 -0300 (ADT) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:46:28 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: make world failing further along... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ===> devascii Making R sed: 2: "s/^\([^ ]*\) [0-9]+ /\1 ...": invalid command code / *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. a Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 16:15:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09599 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:15:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09556 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:15:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00367; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:14:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199804302314.SAA00367@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Apache 1.3b6 SIGBUSes on current kernel In-Reply-To: <199804301856.UAA00736@trantor.stuyts.nl> from Paul van der Zwan at "Apr 30, 98 08:56:54 pm" To: paulz@trantor.stuyts.nl (Paul van der Zwan) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:14:55 -0500 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Could be, I'll review the code again. Paul van der Zwan said: > > Apache 1.3b6 started gettting BUS errors on a -current system cvsupped and > make world-ed yesterday. > > It writes the following in it's error log: > [Thu Apr 30 10:23:02 1998] [notice] httpd: caught SIGBUS, attempting to dump core in /usr/local > > Might this be related to the VM changes ?? > > Paul > > -- > Paul van der Zwan paulz @ trantor.stuyts.nl > "I think I'll move to theory, everything works in theory..." > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 16:19:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10480 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:19:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10474 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:19:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelh@cet.co.jp) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.8/CET-v2.2) with SMTP id XAA04712; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:17:59 GMT Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 08:17:59 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: sthaug@nethelp.no cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Patches to recognize 440BX chipset In-Reply-To: <3624.893972352@verdi.nethelp.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > The machine is (not unexpectedly) rather fast. Here are some STREAMS > results (just sent them to John McCalpin): > > Function Rate (MB/s) RMS time Min time Max time > Copy: 304.0377 0.0528 0.0526 0.0542 > Scale: 307.9172 0.0521 0.0520 0.0523 > Add: 363.3005 0.0661 0.0661 0.0661 > Triad: 315.3577 0.0762 0.0761 0.0762 These are good numbers. How quickly does it make world? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 16:31:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12915 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:31:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12897 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 16:31:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karl@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (karl@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id SAA04655; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:31:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id SAA16590; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:31:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19980430183155.46401@mcs.net> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:31:55 -0500 From: Karl Denninger To: Jason Nordwick Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Time to get a backup device, suggestions ? References: <19980430213741.27185.qmail@xcf.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <19980430213741.27185.qmail@xcf.berkeley.edu>; from Jason Nordwick on Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 09:37:41PM -0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 09:37:41PM -0000, Jason Nordwick wrote: > > It is now time for me to get a backup device with a good > amount of storage (I have an 8 gig drive largest of 3). > I have never used/owned a tape drive, so does anybody have > any suggestions ? I am also a student so I dont have a ton of > money to spend on it, but have some. > > Also when I see tape sizes I see things like 4G compresses 2G native, > which size should I look at ? Is the compression done by the > hardware or by the win32 drivers supplied ? SO would FBSD suport > the compressions rates ? > > thanks > jay For that kind of data requirement I'd look at the Exabyte 8700 series. 7G native, 14G compressed. Or perhaps the "Mammoth" (more capacity, same basic idea - 8mm helical scan) You're dangerously close to needing "big league" backup capacity; DLTs are currently "god" in that area, both in terms of capacity and transfer rate. We run 2 15/30G 2000XT DLT drives. Next step up for us is DLT7000s - those suckers are EXPENSIVE, but they are both large (20/40G) and fast (best speed out there right now). -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly / All Lines K56Flex/DOV | NEW! Corporate ISDN Prices dropped by up to 50%! Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 18:31:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28918 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:31:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hermes.iaccess.com.au (hermes.iaccess.com.au [203.5.74.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28913 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:31:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@iaccess.com.au) Received: from alpine.iaccess (alpine.iaccess.com.au [203.5.74.227]) by hermes.iaccess.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00911 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:33:42 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <016901bd74a1$5dae42a0$e34a05cb@alpine.iaccess> From: "Andrew" To: Subject: ethernet card Problems Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:35:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Hi, > >I'm having some ethernet crad problems. The card i'm using is a SMC8216 >10/100Mbps >I'm running it on 100Mbps. >I'm running ipfilter with transproxy and squid on a 14 Gig cache on >freebsd3.0-current, divertin all packets comin in on port 80 to transproxy. >This is what messages tells me just before the whole thing crashes: > >Apr 30 12:29:10 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets >Apr 30 12:29:10 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA >Apr 30 12:35:06 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets >Apr 30 12:35:06 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA >Apr 30 12:38:35 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets >Apr 30 12:38:35 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA >Apr 30 13:22:10 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets >Apr 30 13:22:11 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA >Apr 30 13:22:57 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets >Apr 30 13:22:57 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA >Apr 30 13:33:30 aphrodite squid[200]: Restarting Squid Cache (version >1.1.20)... >Apr 30 13:33:32 aphrodite squid[200]: Ready to serve requests. >Apr 30 13:59:36 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets >Apr 30 13:59:36 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA >Apr 30 22:38:34 aphrodite squid[200]: clientReadRequest: FD 51: (35) >Resource temporarily unavailable >Apr 30 23:22:24 aphrodite /kernel: Out of mbuf clusters - increase maxusers! >Apr 30 23:22:24 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: cannot allocate mbuf cluster > >I have maxusers set to 500 and it still runs out of mbuf clusters? > >It would be great if someone could shed some light on this problem > >Thanks in advance > > >Andrew Specht | System Administrator >E-mail: andrew@iaccess.com.au | Internet Access Australia >Internet: http://www.iaccess.com.au | Melbourne, Australia > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 18:39:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00177 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:39:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00163 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:39:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA06214; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:39:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:39:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199805010139.VAA06214@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Karl Denninger Cc: Jason Nordwick , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Time to get a backup device, suggestions ? In-Reply-To: <19980430183155.46401@mcs.net> References: <19980430213741.27185.qmail@xcf.berkeley.edu> <19980430183155.46401@mcs.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > You're dangerously close to needing "big league" backup capacity; DLTs are > currently "god" in that area, both in terms of capacity and transfer rate. Actually, ``god'' in that area is a box made by Ampex called DST that's about twice the size of a VCR, uses $150 15"x6"x2" tapes, and costs about $150,000 a pop for the transport. (They tried to sell us one, but we'd have to pay two FTEs to change tapes before that would be cost-effective.) They sell boatloads of the things to outfits like banks (usually with a $2 million library system attached). > We run 2 15/30G 2000XT DLT drives. Next step up for us is DLT7000s - those > suckers are EXPENSIVE, but they are both large (20/40G) and fast (best speed > out there right now). We bought DDS-3 drives in our latest round of machines. They are incredibly cheap, and the vendor claims they do 24G on a single tape. Only fly in the ointment: our stock room doesn't carry DDS-3 tapes, and I don't know how much they cost (probably a lot more than DDS-2 tapes, which go for peanuts). -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 19:42:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09991 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:42:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09981; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:42:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01505; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:42:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199805010242.VAA01505@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Apache 1.3b6 SIGBUSes on current kernel In-Reply-To: <199804302314.SAA00367@dyson.iquest.net> from "John S. Dyson" at "Apr 30, 98 06:14:55 pm" To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:42:40 -0500 (EST) Cc: paulz@trantor.stuyts.nl, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just committed a possible fix. > Could be, I'll review the code again. > > Paul van der Zwan said: > > > > Apache 1.3b6 started gettting BUS errors on a -current system cvsupped and > > make world-ed yesterday. > > > > It writes the following in it's error log: > > [Thu Apr 30 10:23:02 1998] [notice] httpd: caught SIGBUS, attempting to dump core in /usr/local > > > > Might this be related to the VM changes ?? > > > > Paul > > > > -- > > Paul van der Zwan paulz @ trantor.stuyts.nl > > "I think I'll move to theory, everything works in theory..." > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > > > > -- > John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, > dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, > jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 20:30:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16067 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:30:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (tc-56.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16059 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:30:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id AAA04388 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:30:14 -0300 (ADT) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:30:14 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: make world fails, where ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Morning... I reported earlier today that 'make world' was failing in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/devascii: ===> devascii Making R sed: 2: "s/^\([^ ]*\) [0-9]+ /\1 ...": invalid command code / *** Error code 1 On a whim, I did a cd to /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff, did a 'make cleandir;make depend;make', and it works... I would have expected it not to work in both cases...can someone suggest where/what I should look at? Thanks... Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 20:34:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17324 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:34:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (ken@panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17319 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:34:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id VAA17313; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:34:20 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199805010334.VAA17313@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Time to get a backup device, suggestions ? In-Reply-To: <199805010139.VAA06214@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> from Garrett Wollman at "Apr 30, 98 09:39:55 pm" To: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:34:20 -0600 (MDT) Cc: karl@mcs.net, nordwick@scam.XCF.Berkeley.EDU, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Garrett Wollman wrote... > < said: > > > You're dangerously close to needing "big league" backup capacity; DLTs are > > currently "god" in that area, both in terms of capacity and transfer rate. > > Actually, ``god'' in that area is a box made by Ampex called DST > that's about twice the size of a VCR, uses $150 15"x6"x2" tapes, and > costs about $150,000 a pop for the transport. (They tried to sell us > one, but we'd have to pay two FTEs to change tapes before that would > be cost-effective.) They sell boatloads of the things to outfits like > banks (usually with a $2 million library system attached). Yeah, those DST drives can do about 15MB/sec., and the biggest tapes can store 330GB apiece! (there are three different sizes of tapes) > > We run 2 15/30G 2000XT DLT drives. Next step up for us is DLT7000s - those > > suckers are EXPENSIVE, but they are both large (20/40G) and fast (best speed > > out there right now). BTW, the 7000's store 35G uncompressed, 70G compressed. Another alternative is the Sony AIT. They can store 25MB/50MB, and the table of contents and filemarks are stored on a 2KB (they like to say 16Kbit) EEPROM in the tape. They claim the drive should never need cleaning (it cleans itself automatically). I've never used one, or talked to anyone who has, but the specs are interesting nonetheless. http://www.ita.sel.sony.com/products/storage/tapedrives/ait/ Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 21:04:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22101 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:04:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from m4.stox.sa.enteract.com (stox.sa.enteract.com [207.229.132.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22085 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:04:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@stox.sa.enteract.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.stox.sa.enteract.com [127.0.0.1]) by m4.stox.sa.enteract.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA27466; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:03:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:03:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: Garrett Wollman cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Time to get a backup device, suggestions ? In-Reply-To: <199805010139.VAA06214@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Actually, ``god'' in that area is a box made by Ampex called DST > that's about twice the size of a VCR, uses $150 15"x6"x2" tapes, and > costs about $150,000 a pop for the transport. (They tried to sell us > one, but we'd have to pay two FTEs to change tapes before that would > be cost-effective.) They sell boatloads of the things to outfits like > banks (usually with a $2 million library system attached). There are currently several technologies on the very high end, Ampex DST's are a good example, also the Storage Tek "Redwoods." The Redwoods run around $250,000 plus the silo they plug into. I haven't had the chance to plug them into a FreeBSD box, yet :-), but they work just dandy with SGI's. If I ever get the chance, I'll be sure to let veryone know what the results are. To date, I have not been hearing good things about the Ampex's though. The drives have apparently been having reliability problems. The DESY accelerator in Germany has been using them, and I understand that they have been less than happy. The STK's, to date, have been rock solid. Realistically, though, if you are backing up enough, media costs do begin to become a major factor. Exabytes really shine for cost per GB when you figure 8mm data grade tapes will run $5 each in large quantities. DDS-3 tapes tend to cost much more. DLT's are wonderful if you plan on reusing tapes often, they are good for 1000's of passes. The cost per GB is significantly higher, however. -Ken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 21:39:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25534 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:39:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from yard-sale.village.org (ys2.village.org [204.144.255.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA25527; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:39:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6] by yard-sale.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yV7bU-0006uI-00; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:39:20 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA04983; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:38:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805010438.WAA04983@harmony.village.org> To: Wolfram Schneider Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/share/mk bsd.man.mk Cc: Bruce Evans , current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:02:29 +0200." <19980429110229.A8210@freno.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <19980429110229.A8210@freno.cs.tu-berlin.de> <199804271508.IAA14836@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:38:58 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <19980429110229.A8210@freno.cs.tu-berlin.de> Wolfram Schneider writes: : A non-recursive make should perform make -jN much better. I don't buy much of what that paper says. There are often times that some files need to be compiled with some options, while others in the tree need to be compiled with others. A single, huge makefile, even if it is disguised as lots of includes, makes it hard to say I want these CFLAGS for this set of files, and those CFLAGS for that set of files. And it tends to force files to be uniquely named, which experience has shown is a bad thing. The paper does bring up several valid, good points. However, I don't think it supports its thesis very well. It also ignores make depend as a solution to the problems it describes. Then again, I'm biased. I've written makefiles and build systems for six different projects now and I've been burned, in one way or another, by all possible problems. So far gmake and/or bmake suck less than anything else I've used (with Imake sucking only a little bit more than these two, but its learning curve is much steeper). Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 21:42:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26101 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:42:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from yard-sale.village.org (ys2.village.org [204.144.255.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA26093 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:42:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6] by yard-sale.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yV7eV-0006uP-00; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:42:27 -0600 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA05011; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:42:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805010442.WAA05011@harmony.village.org> To: KATO Takenori Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/conf Makefile.i386 src/sys/pc98/conf Makefile.pc98 Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:48:41 +0900." <19980430194841D.kato@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> References: <19980430194841D.kato@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> <199804291821.LAA21587@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:42:06 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <19980430194841D.kato@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> KATO Takenori writes: : The patch againt current config can be obtained from: : : http://www.freebsd.org/~kato/patches/config.diff : : The binary with above patch can generate both i386 and pc98 : configuration files. Any reason that this patch shouldn't be part of the base FreeBSD system? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Apr 30 21:46:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26675 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:46:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thing.dyn.ml.org (pm336-04.dialip.mich.net [35.9.11.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA26666 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:46:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mcdougall@ameritech.net) Received: from ameritech.net (bsdx [192.168.1.2]) by thing.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA12927; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:45:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mcdougall@ameritech.net) Message-ID: <35495353.62F9852D@ameritech.net> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 00:45:07 -0400 From: Adam McDougall Reply-To: mcdougall@ameritech.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew CC: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ethernet card Problems References: <016901bd74a1$5dae42a0$e34a05cb@alpine.iaccess> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrew wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I'm having some ethernet crad problems. The card i'm using is a SMC8216 > >10/100Mbps > >I'm running it on 100Mbps. > >I'm running ipfilter with transproxy and squid on a 14 Gig cache on > >freebsd3.0-current, divertin all packets comin in on port 80 to transproxy. > >This is what messages tells me just before the whole thing crashes: > > > >Apr 30 12:29:10 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets > >Apr 30 12:29:10 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA > >Apr 30 12:35:06 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets > >Apr 30 12:35:06 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA > >Apr 30 12:38:35 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets > >Apr 30 12:38:35 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA > >Apr 30 13:22:10 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets > >Apr 30 13:22:11 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA > >Apr 30 13:22:57 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets > >Apr 30 13:22:57 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA > >Apr 30 13:33:30 aphrodite squid[200]: Restarting Squid Cache (version > >1.1.20)... > >Apr 30 13:33:32 aphrodite squid[200]: Ready to serve requests. > >Apr 30 13:59:36 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets > >Apr 30 13:59:36 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA > >Apr 30 22:38:34 aphrodite squid[200]: clientReadRequest: FD 51: (35) > >Resource temporarily unavailable > >Apr 30 23:22:24 aphrodite /kernel: Out of mbuf clusters - increase > maxusers! > >Apr 30 23:22:24 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: cannot allocate mbuf cluster > > > >I have maxusers set to 500 and it still runs out of mbuf clusters? > > > >It would be great if someone could shed some light on this problem > > > >Thanks in advance > > > > > >Andrew Specht | System Administrator > >E-mail: andrew@iaccess.com.au | Internet Access > Australia > >Internet: http://www.iaccess.com.au | Melbourne, Australia > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message I saw the same thing today too with my tx0! Downloaded latest kernel sources, recompiled it, and it seems happy as pie. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 00:24:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13142 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:24:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA13137 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:24:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yVAAa-0004I1-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:23:44 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:23:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Andrew cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ethernet card Problems In-Reply-To: <016901bd74a1$5dae42a0$e34a05cb@alpine.iaccess> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 1 May 1998, Andrew wrote: > >I'm having some ethernet crad problems. The card i'm using is a SMC8216 > >Apr 30 23:22:24 aphrodite /kernel: Out of mbuf clusters - increase > maxusers! Not only is it telling you what the problem is, it is telling you how to fix it. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 01:13:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA16950 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 01:13:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@mail.ftf.dk [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA16936 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 01:13:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19124 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:11:06 +0200 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA13510 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:33:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id KAA25967; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:12:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980501101221.61309@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 10:12:21 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Fwd: NetBSD network code improvements Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 Organization: PROSA Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FYI -- how much of this do we have, BTW ? I'm particularly ogling towards the IP fast-forwarding stuff. -----8<-----8<-----8<-----8<-----8<-----8<-----8<-----8<-----8<-----8<----- From: Jason Thorpe Subject: Recent NetBSD network code improvements To: netbsd-announce@NetBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:50:11 -0700 Hi folks... This is just a quick note to announce some cool new features to NetBSD's networking code, recently introduced in NetBSD-current. * The TCP initial congestion window (IW) has been made a tunable variable. This will facilitate migration to the new TCP initial window when finalized by the Internet Engineering Task Force. The IW may be tuned by the sysctl variable net.inet.tcp.init_win. A value of 0 indicates that the Floyd ~4K IW formula will be used to compute the IW. Otherwise, the variable indicates the number of maximum-sized packets. Contact: Jason R. Thorpe * The Hughes/Touch/Heidemann Congestion Window Monitoring algorithm has been added to TCP. This eliminates line-rate bursts that can congest network links and routers. It works by counting the number of outstanding (unacknowedged) packets on the wire, and allowing that many packets plus a burst value additional packets when more data is to be transmitted on a TCP connection. As long as a connection keeps transmitting, congestion window space is available. As soon as a connection stops transmitting, the available congestion window quickly decays back to the burst value. This policy has often been described as "use it or lose it". It can be especially helpful on World Wide Web servers which implement HTTP/1.1, which has lingering connections, which have a high tendency to go idle. CWM may be enabled in your kernel by setting the sysctl variable net.inet.tcp.cwm to 1. The burst value may be tuned by setting the sysctl variable net.inet.tcp.cwm_burstsize. The default burst size is 4 packets, as documented in the CWM Internet Draft. Contact: Jason R. Thorpe * Path MTU Discovery has been improved. The most significant improvement over NetBSD 1.3 is that routes added by the Path MTU Discovery engine now properly time out. In support of this, a general route timer framework as been added to the NetBSD kernel. Path MTU Discovery may be enabled by the sysctl variable net.inet.ip.mtudisc. The timeout period, expressed in seconds, may be modified by the sysctl variable net.inet.ip.mtudisctimeout. Contact: Kevin M. Lahey * The RFC1323 PAWS/Timestamps/Window Scale implementation in NetBSD's TCP has been brought up to full spec with the lastest RFC1323.bis. In addition, a finer-grained control over RFC1323 extensions is now supported. RFC1323 may be enabled by the sysctl variable net.inet.tcp.rfc1323. If that variable is enabled, timestamps and window scaling are enabled via the net.inet.tcp.timestamps and net.inet.tcp.win_scale sysctl variables, respectively. Contact: Kevin M. Lahey Jason R. Thorpe * Hooks for zero-copy and other optimizations have been added to the socket layer. In combination with the new virtual memory system, UVM, these hooks could potentially provide greatly improved performance for many network applications. Watch for more work in this exciting area! Contact: Matt Thomas * The TCP segment reassembly code has been completely rewritten. The new code supports segment concatenation, which will improve performance for out-of-order packets, and also forms the building blocks of RFC2018 Selective Acknowledgement support. Contact: Matt Thomas * IP flow recognition and fast IP forwarding support has been added. This enables PC-class hardware to forward packets at full line rate with very little CPU utilization. Initial testing showed forwarding rates of over 140,000 packets per second with no appreciable increase in system load! Support for fast-forwarding over Ethernet and FDDI exists now, and support for fast-forwarding over ATM and Hippi is planned for the near future. There's more work yet to do, but this is very exciting stuff! Contact: Matt Thomas * Support for spoofing link-level addresses has been added to the Berkeley Packet Filter. This is useful in many applications where protocols require specific MAC source addresses. This code was contributed by Greg Smith of the Numerical Aerospace Simulation Facility, NASA Ames Research Center. Contact: Jason R. Thorpe * inetd(8) has been modified to allow specification of listen socket buffer sizes in /etc/inetd.conf. This is useful for TCP servers that wish to advertise large windows requiring window scale factors (window scale must be advertised during the connection handshake, which is why the socket buffer size must be set on the listen socket). This can improve TCP performance greatly in some situations. Contact: Jason R. Thorpe And remember, technical discussions about NetBSD's networking code take place on the tech-net@netbsd.org mailing list. To subscribe, send mail to majordomo@netbsd.org with the message body: subscribe tech-net Until next time... -- The NetBSD Network Code Hackers --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua-- -- -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- «Pluto placed his bad dog at the entrance of Hades to keep the dead IN and the living OUT! The archetypical corporate firewall?» - S. Kelly Bootle To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 02:25:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA22512 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 02:25:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from saten.dyn.ml.org (208.ppp8.gulftel.com [208.222.59.208]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA22505 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 02:25:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lists@saten.dyn.ml.org) Received: from localhost (lists@localhost) by saten.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA00301 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 04:24:16 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 04:24:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Phillip Salzman To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: death of apache, signal 6 (abort) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I seem to be having problems with Apache dying on signal 6 whenever someone or myself accesses it the httpd server. I rebuilt the kernel a few minutes ago after John added the new vm_map.c and I am still having this problem.. here is part of my /var/log/messages file: ------ May 1 04:04:28 saten /kernel: pid 160 (httpd), uid 0: exited on signal 6 May 1 04:04:28 saten /kernel: pid 165 (httpd), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 May 1 04:04:47 saten /kernel: pid 166 (httpd), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 May 1 04:04:47 saten /kernel: pid 167 (httpd), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 May 1 04:04:47 saten /kernel: pid 168 (httpd), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 May 1 04:04:47 saten /kernel: pid 169 (httpd), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 May 1 04:04:47 saten /kernel: pid 212 (httpd), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 ------ Is anyone else having this problem, I also had X die on signal 6 once today, but it has not happened since. Phillip Salzman http://www.gulftel.com/~eclipse/ http://gulf.net/~eclipse/ http://saten.dyn.ml.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 03:50:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA00144 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 03:50:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA00136 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 03:50:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id SAA22923 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:50:37 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199805011050.SAA22923@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: HEADS UP: bind-8 import Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 18:50:36 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Advance warning: a bind-8.1.2-T3B import is in the pipeline. This will not go smoothly, because a 'make world' will replace /usr/sbin/named with a version that DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE OLD CONFIG FILE! This means that if you just blindly do a 'make world', and depend on named running, you will have a nasty suprise when you boot next. A script to convert the named.boot to the new named.conf file is installed in /etc/namedb next to the old config file. I'm tempted to try and tweak named so that it filters it's config file through a modified version of the converter script in a pipeline (which will convert an old config or pass through a new one unchanged). This is not a good long-term solution. The other possibility is to move the named executable to /usr/libexec/ named, and make /usr/sbin/named a shell wrapper script or something that can detect an old-style config and do a temporary conversion with a LOUD warning at boot time. This should be the least suprise option. Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 07:29:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21317 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:29:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA21312 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:29:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id QAA18066; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:29:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from pb@localhost) by fasterix.frmug.org (8.8.8/8.8.5/pb-19970302) id PAA02179; Fri, 1 May 1998 15:22:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980501152245.A1890@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:22:45 +0200 From: Pierre Beyssac To: Philippe Regnauld , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fwd: NetBSD network code improvements References: <19980501101221.61309@deepo.prosa.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.2 In-Reply-To: <19980501101221.61309@deepo.prosa.dk>; from Philippe Regnauld on Fri, May 01, 1998 at 10:12:21AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 10:12:21AM +0200, Philippe Regnauld wrote: > FYI -- how much of this do we have, BTW ? > I'm particularly ogling towards the IP fast-forwarding stuff. I support that -- My personal favorite is the zero-copy stuff :-) I haven't looked at their code, but as their code base is fairly close to ours, a lot of their changes would probably not be very difficult to integrate in -current. -- Pierre Beyssac pb@fasterix.frmug.org pb@fasterix.freenix.org {Free,Net,Open}BSD, Linux : il y a moins bien, mais c'est plus cher Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 07:57:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA24648 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:57:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24643 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:57:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id QAA26394; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:57:26 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199805011457.QAA26394@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: HEADS UP: bind-8 import In-Reply-To: <199805011050.SAA22923@spinner.netplex.com.au> from Peter Wemm at "May 1, 98 06:50:36 pm" To: peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 16:57:26 +0200 (SAT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Advance warning: a bind-8.1.2-T3B import is in the pipeline. > > This will not go smoothly, because a 'make world' will replace > /usr/sbin/named with a version that DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE OLD CONFIG > FILE! > > ... > > I'm tempted to try and tweak named so that it filters it's config file > through a modified version of the converter script in a pipeline (which > will convert an old config or pass through a new one unchanged). This is > not a good long-term solution. I would say that if we could live through the addition of login.conf and the slice changes in the -STABLE branch, this could just stay a manual config file update with a HEADS UP in the commit message. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 08:20:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA28065 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:20:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28057 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:20:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id RAA03921; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:15:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06690; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:14:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980501171404.A5765@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 17:14:04 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: Peter Wemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: bind-8 import References: <199805011050.SAA22923@spinner.netplex.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199805011050.SAA22923@spinner.netplex.com.au>; from Peter Wemm on Fri, May 01, 1998 at 06:50:36PM +0800 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 06:50:36PM +0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > The other possibility is to move the named executable to /usr/libexec/ > named, and make /usr/sbin/named a shell wrapper script or something that > can detect an old-style config and do a temporary conversion with a LOUD > warning at boot time. This should be the least suprise option. If /usr/sbin/named is a wrapper script, then we'd need something like /usr/libexec/named4 and /usr/libexec/named8, so we'd have *two* named's in the source tree. I don't like this ... although I like your way of being friendly to the users ;-) Generally I think people who run -current should read the lists carefully before doing make worlds and take care of changing their named environment. So I'd simply do the change if the others agree. But wait ... another good way to make migration easier without polluting /usr/src would be to make a bind4 port. Then people would easily be able to define this in /etc/rc.conf: named_enable="YES" named_prog="/usr/local/sbin/named4" Just my $0.02 ;-) Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 08:32:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29754 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:32:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29744 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:32:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id XAA26689; Fri, 1 May 1998 23:31:56 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199805011531.XAA26689@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Andreas Klemm cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: bind-8 import In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 May 1998 17:14:04 +0200." <19980501171404.A5765@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 23:31:54 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andreas Klemm wrote: > On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 06:50:36PM +0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > > The other possibility is to move the named executable to /usr/libexec/ > > named, and make /usr/sbin/named a shell wrapper script or something that > > can detect an old-style config and do a temporary conversion with a LOUD > > warning at boot time. This should be the least suprise option. > > If /usr/sbin/named is a wrapper script, then we'd need something > like /usr/libexec/named4 and /usr/libexec/named8, so we'd have > *two* named's in the source tree. I don't like this ... although > I like your way of being friendly to the users ;-) No, I'm talking about something like this: cat named.sh #! /bin/sh args=$* oldconf=`echo $args | grep /etc/namedb/named.boot` if [ x"$oldconf" != x ]; then rm -f /tmp/named.conf.* newfile=`mktemp /tmp/named.conf.XXXXXX` /etc/namedb/named-bootconf.pl < /etc/namedb/named.boot > $newfile args="$args -c $newfile" echo "HEY!! update your named.boot file!!" 1>&2 fi exec /usr/libexec/named $args What this means.. If named is started with /etc/namedb/named.boot in it's arguments, then we convert it to a /tmp temporary file and run the real named with an appended -c argument. Multiple instances of -b or -c override the previous ones, so this is ok as a hack. I'm most definately NOT talking about keeping around the old bind. Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 08:50:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02158 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:50:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from friley585.res.iastate.edu (friley585.res.iastate.edu [129.186.167.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02150 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:50:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley585.res.iastate.edu) Received: from friley585.res.iastate.edu (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by friley585.res.iastate.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02206; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:50:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley585.res.iastate.edu) Message-Id: <199805011550.KAA02206@friley585.res.iastate.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Pierre Beyssac cc: Philippe Regnauld , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fwd: NetBSD network code improvements In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 May 1998 15:22:45 +0200." <19980501152245.A1890@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 10:50:12 -0500 From: Chris Csanady Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 10:12:21AM +0200, Philippe Regnauld wrote: >> FYI -- how much of this do we have, BTW ? >> I'm particularly ogling towards the IP fast-forwarding stuff. > >I support that -- My personal favorite is the zero-copy stuff :-) >I haven't looked at their code, but as their code base is fairly close >to ours, a lot of their changes would probably not be very difficult to >integrate in -current. I agree, although it would be somewhat more difficult to weed out the changes from their source as we do not have CVS access. There are actually a significant number of other changes that they have made that are not mentioned as well that would be nice to have. In fact it may almost be easier to take their code wholesale, and integrate our changes. ;) Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 09:19:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06100 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:19:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from asteroid.svib.ru (root@asteroid.svib.ru [195.151.166.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06089 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:19:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (shuttle.svib.ru [195.151.166.144]) by asteroid.svib.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01567 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 20:18:46 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (minas-tirith.pol.ru [127.0.0.1]) by minas-tirith.pol.ru (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA08778 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 20:18:41 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from tarkhil@minas-tirith.pol.ru) Message-Id: <199805011618.UAA08778@minas-tirith.pol.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: bind-8 import In-reply-to: Your message "Sat, 01 May 1998 16:57:26 +0200." <199805011457.QAA26394@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Reply-To: tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 20:18:39 +0400 From: Alex Povolotsky Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG <199805011457.QAA26394@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za>John Hay writes: >> I'm tempted to try and tweak named so that it filters it's config file >> through a modified version of the converter script in a pipeline (which BTW: has anyone update BIND configuration guide in SMM to 8.1.X? Alex. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 09:21:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06446 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:21:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06437 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:21:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28772; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd028770; Fri May 1 16:07:23 1998 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:01:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Warner Losh cc: KATO Takenori , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/conf Makefile.i386 src/sys/pc98/conf Makefile.pc98 In-Reply-To: <199805010442.WAA05011@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think it should be committed.. it's a correct step towards multi-architecture. On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <19980430194841D.kato@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> KATO Takenori writes: > : The patch againt current config can be obtained from: > : > : http://www.freebsd.org/~kato/patches/config.diff > : > : The binary with above patch can generate both i386 and pc98 > : configuration files. > > Any reason that this patch shouldn't be part of the base FreeBSD > system? > > Warner > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 09:37:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08671 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:37:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08664 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:37:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29824; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd029818; Fri May 1 16:36:29 1998 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 09:30:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Peter Wemm cc: Andreas Klemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: bind-8 import In-Reply-To: <199805011531.XAA26689@spinner.netplex.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG what about the other parts of the bind port? Rumour was that the library side of it had improved versions that had better behaviour in some cases. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 09:38:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08801 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:38:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles199.castles.com [208.214.165.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08682 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:37:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00542; Fri, 1 May 1998 08:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805011534.IAA00542@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Pierre Beyssac cc: Philippe Regnauld , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fwd: NetBSD network code improvements In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 May 1998 15:22:45 +0200." <19980501152245.A1890@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 08:34:36 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 10:12:21AM +0200, Philippe Regnauld wrote: > > FYI -- how much of this do we have, BTW ? > > I'm particularly ogling towards the IP fast-forwarding stuff. > > I support that -- My personal favorite is the zero-copy stuff :-) > I haven't looked at their code, but as their code base is fairly close > to ours, a lot of their changes would probably not be very difficult to > integrate in -current. Submit diffs then, dammit! 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 09:44:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09913 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:44:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09831 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:43:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id SAA26215; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:43:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from pb@localhost) by fasterix.frmug.org (8.8.8/8.8.5/pb-19970302) id SAA08743; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:43:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980501184306.RB57315@@> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 18:43:06 +0200 From: pb@fasterix.freenix.org (Pierre Beyssac) To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Cc: pb@fasterix.freenix.org (Pierre Beyssac), regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk (Philippe Regnauld), freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fwd: NetBSD network code improvements References: <19980501152245.A1890@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> <199805011534.IAA00542@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1e Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199805011534.IAA00542@antipodes.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on May 1, 1998 08:34:36 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith writes: > > to ours, a lot of their changes would probably not be very difficult to > > integrate in -current. > > Submit diffs then, dammit! 8) That's what I intend to do :-). However, my -current machines are running IPv6 patches, so it'll be a little harder for me to work on this concurently. -- Pierre Beyssac pb@fasterix.frmug.org pb@fasterix.freenix.org {Free,Net,Open}BSD, Linux : il y a moins bien, mais c'est plus cher Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 09:55:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11198 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:55:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11155 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 09:55:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id SAA26707; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:55:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from pb@localhost) by fasterix.frmug.org (8.8.8/8.8.5/pb-19970302) id SAA09062; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:54:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980501185444.LR22034@@> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 18:54:44 +0200 From: pb@fasterix.freenix.org (Pierre Beyssac) To: ccsanady@friley585.res.iastate.edu (Chris Csanady) Cc: pb@fasterix.freenix.org (Pierre Beyssac), regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk (Philippe Regnauld), freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fwd: NetBSD network code improvements References: <19980501152245.A1890@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> <199805011550.KAA02206@friley585.res.iastate.edu> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1e Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199805011550.KAA02206@friley585.res.iastate.edu>; from Chris Csanady on May 1, 1998 10:50:12 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Csanady writes: > In fact it may almost be easier to take their code wholesale, and > integrate our changes. ;) Huh, I don't know. There are changes to our -current code (PCB hash tables and usrreq handling, to name just two of them) that should cause this approach to be actually more work than the opposite :-) -- Pierre Beyssac pb@fasterix.frmug.org pb@fasterix.freenix.org {Free,Net,Open}BSD, Linux : il y a moins bien, mais c'est plus cher Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 10:04:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12532 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:04:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (root@mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12524 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:04:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA58590 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:04:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: drosih@pop1.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199805010334.VAA17313@panzer.plutotech.com> References: <199805010139.VAA06214@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> from Garrett Wollman at "Apr 30, 98 09:39:55 pm" Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:07:44 -0400 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: Time to get a backup device, suggestions ? Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 9:34 PM -0600 4/30/98, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > Another alternative is the Sony AIT. They can store 25MB/50MB, > and the table of contents and filemarks are stored on a 2KB (they like > to say 16Kbit) EEPROM in the tape. [etc] > > http://www.ita.sel.sony.com/products/storage/tapedrives/ait/ In the days of 4-gig drives, 25 to 50 Meg tapes wouldn't be very interesting... Luckily, a quick look at the given URL indicates that the real capacity is 25/50 *gigabytes*. --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 10:06:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12796 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:06:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12791 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:06:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA23451; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:06:27 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id TAA05726; Fri, 1 May 1998 19:05:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980501190555.35700@follo.net> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 19:05:55 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: bind-8 import References: <199805011457.QAA26394@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> <199805011618.UAA08778@minas-tirith.pol.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805011618.UAA08778@minas-tirith.pol.ru>; from Alex Povolotsky on Fri, May 01, 1998 at 08:18:39PM +0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 08:18:39PM +0400, Alex Povolotsky wrote: > <199805011457.QAA26394@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za>John Hay writes: > >> I'm tempted to try and tweak named so that it filters it's config file > >> through a modified version of the converter script in a pipeline (which > > BTW: has anyone update BIND configuration guide in SMM to 8.1.X? How good is this guide compared to the DNS-HOWTO? (From the Linux HOWTO's, but shouldn't in any way be Linux-specific, according to the author). The Linux HOWTO looks quite good. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 10:16:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14762 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:16:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lsd.relcom.eu.net (ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net [193.125.27.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14755 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:16:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@lsd.relcom.eu.net) Received: (from ache@localhost) by lsd.relcom.eu.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23603; Fri, 1 May 1998 21:16:46 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Message-ID: <19980501211645.A23531@nagual.pp.ru> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 21:16:45 +0400 From: =?koi8-r?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= To: Phillip Salzman , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: death of apache, signal 6 (abort) Mail-Followup-To: Phillip Salzman , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from lists@saten.dyn.ml.org on Fri, May 01, 1998 at 04:24:15AM -0500 Organization: Biomechanoid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 04:24:15AM -0500, Phillip Salzman wrote: > Is anyone else having this problem, I also had X die on signal 6 once > today, but it has not happened since. I also see this problem, but not often. It maybe even apache problem. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://www.nagual.pp.ru/~ache/ MTH/SH/HE S-- W-- N+ PEC>+ D A a++ C G>+ QH+(++) 666+>++ Y To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 10:17:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14837 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:17:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from friley585.res.iastate.edu (friley585.res.iastate.edu [129.186.167.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14831 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:17:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley585.res.iastate.edu) Received: from friley585.res.iastate.edu (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by friley585.res.iastate.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02457; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:16:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley585.res.iastate.edu) Message-Id: <199805011716.MAA02457@friley585.res.iastate.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: pb@fasterix.freenix.org (Pierre Beyssac) cc: regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk (Philippe Regnauld), freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fwd: NetBSD network code improvements In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 May 1998 18:54:44 +0200." <19980501185444.LR22034@@> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 12:16:21 -0500 From: Chris Csanady Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Chris Csanady writes: >> In fact it may almost be easier to take their code wholesale, and >> integrate our changes. ;) ^^ >Huh, I don't know. There are changes to our -current code >(PCB hash tables and usrreq handling, to name just two of them) >that should cause this approach to be actually more work than >the opposite :-) See the above.. I wasn't really proposing that this actually be done. Just trying to point out that the NetBSD folk have actually done a lot of work in the networking system, and have considerably more active developement. Neither would be a terribly simple project.. Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 10:18:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15068 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:18:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (ken@panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15063 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:18:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id LAA20213; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:18:01 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199805011718.LAA20213@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Time to get a backup device, suggestions ? In-Reply-To: from Garance A Drosihn at "May 1, 98 01:07:44 pm" To: drosih@rpi.edu (Garance A Drosihn) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:18:01 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Garance A Drosihn wrote... > At 9:34 PM -0600 4/30/98, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > > Another alternative is the Sony AIT. They can store 25MB/50MB, > > and the table of contents and filemarks are stored on a 2KB (they like > > to say 16Kbit) EEPROM in the tape. [etc] > > > > http://www.ita.sel.sony.com/products/storage/tapedrives/ait/ > > In the days of 4-gig drives, 25 to 50 Meg tapes wouldn't be very > interesting... > > Luckily, a quick look at the given URL indicates that the real > capacity is 25/50 *gigabytes*. > > Oops! I hope I'm not afflicted with pointy hair soon...:) Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 10:30:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16911 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:30:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16880 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:30:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id BAA28092; Sat, 2 May 1998 01:27:13 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199805011727.BAA28092@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Julian Elischer cc: Andreas Klemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: bind-8 import In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 May 1998 09:30:55 MST." Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 01:27:12 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian Elischer wrote: > > > what about the other parts of the bind port? > > Rumour was that the library side of it had improved versions > that had better behaviour in some cases. I was planning to do that some other time. The interface and include file changes are pretty dramatic to say the least. I'd rather do it one stage at a time, and when the dust has settled from named, then take a shot at the libc/net stuff in a few weeks. There are a couple of pending PR's that will be solved when this gets done.. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 10:51:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA20199 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:51:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [195.1.171.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA20186 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 10:51:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 18851 invoked by uid 1001); 1 May 1998 17:50:48 +0000 (GMT) To: michaelh@cet.co.jp Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Patches to recognize 440BX chipset In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 1 May 1998 08:17:59 +0900 (JST)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.28.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 19:50:48 +0200 Message-ID: <18849.894045048@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The machine is (not unexpectedly) rather fast. Here are some STREAMS > > results (just sent them to John McCalpin): > > > > Function Rate (MB/s) RMS time Min time Max time > > Copy: 304.0377 0.0528 0.0526 0.0542 > > Scale: 307.9172 0.0521 0.0520 0.0523 > > Add: 363.3005 0.0661 0.0661 0.0661 > > Triad: 315.3577 0.0762 0.0761 0.0762 > > These are good numbers. How quickly does it make world? 46 minutes. This is with: 3.0-980429-SNAP, disks IBM DCAS-34330W (4.3 GB, /usr/obj) and DHEA-36480 (6.4 GB, DMA, /usr/src). SCSI controller is 2940UW, AHC_TAGENABLE. /usr/src and /usr/obj mounted async, noatime. make.conf has -O -pipe. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 11:14:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23623 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:14:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23601 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:14:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08910; Fri, 1 May 1998 14:13:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 14:13:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199805011813.OAA08910@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: pb@fasterix.freenix.org (Pierre Beyssac) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fwd: NetBSD network code improvements In-Reply-To: <19980501185444.LR22034@@> References: <19980501152245.A1890@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> <199805011550.KAA02206@friley585.res.iastate.edu> <19980501185444.LR22034@@> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < Huh, I don't know. There are changes to our -current code > (PCB hash tables and usrreq handling, to name just two of them) > that should cause this approach to be actually more work than > the opposite :-) We should think carefully about what WE actually WANT to do (which is not necessarily the same as what NASA is paying Jason to do). There is now a `freebsd-net' mailing-list on which we can discuss this in more detail (for a few hours, anyway, since I'm leaving for Interop tomorrow). -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 11:26:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25650 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:26:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from d183-205.uoregon.edu (d183-205.uoregon.edu [128.223.183.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25644; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:26:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gurney_j@efn.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by d183-205.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA04662; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980501112623.38573@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:26:23 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: KATO Takenori Cc: imp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/conf Makefile.i386 src/sys/pc98/conf Makefile.pc98 References: <199804291821.LAA21587@freefall.freebsd.org> <19980430194841D.kato@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <19980430194841D.kato@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp>; from KATO Takenori on Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 07:48:41PM +0900 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG KATO Takenori scribbled this message on Apr 30: > The patch againt current config can be obtained from: > > http://www.freebsd.org/~kato/patches/config.diff > > The binary with above patch can generate both i386 and pc98 > configuration files. how are people currently generating pc98 config files if they aren't using the shipped config? I took a look at the patch, and think it should be commited too... -- John-Mark Gurney Modem Rev/FAX: +1 541 346 9237 Cu Networking P.O. Box 5693, 97405 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD Don't trust anyone you don't have the source for To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 11:39:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28280 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:39:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28273 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:39:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA25849; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:39:01 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id UAA05957; Fri, 1 May 1998 20:38:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980501203843.12351@follo.net> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 20:38:43 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Phillip Salzman , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: death of apache, signal 6 (abort) References: <19980501211645.A23531@nagual.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3C19980501211645=2EA23531=40nagual=2Epp=2Eru=3E=3B_from_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7_on_Fri=2C_May_01=2C?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_1998_at_09=3A16=3A45PM_+0400?= Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:16:45PM +0400, áÎÄŇĹĘ ţĹŇÎĎ× wrote: > On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 04:24:15AM -0500, Phillip Salzman wrote: > > Is anyone else having this problem, I also had X die on signal 6 once > > today, but it has not happened since. > > I also see this problem, but not often. It maybe even apache problem. I've from time to time tracked down this kind of error from apache. It has always been either a problem in one of our modules, or a problem in apache. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 11:59:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01240 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:59:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01182; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:59:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id UAA02542; Fri, 1 May 1998 20:58:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from pb@localhost) by fasterix.frmug.org (8.8.8/8.8.5/pb-19970302) id UAA00996; Fri, 1 May 1998 20:58:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980501205833.A655@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 20:58:33 +0200 From: Pierre Beyssac To: Garrett Wollman Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fwd: NetBSD network code improvements References: <19980501152245.A1890@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> <199805011550.KAA02206@friley585.res.iastate.edu> <19980501185444.LR22034@@> <199805011813.OAA08910@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.2 In-Reply-To: <199805011813.OAA08910@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>; from Garrett Wollman on Fri, May 01, 1998 at 02:13:51PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ discussion copied to freebsd-net, please remove -current when replying ] On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 02:13:51PM -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote: > We should think carefully about what WE actually WANT to do (which is > not necessarily the same as what NASA is paying Jason to do). I think A lot of their stuff is generally useful, the MTU discovery stuff for example (although I don't exactly know what is in -current and maybe we don't need to integrate NetBSD stuff). The fast forwarding stuff is useful for people using FreeBSD as a fast router. It is modular enough that I ported it in 2 hours, and I'm currently running it. Everything is in one file (ip_flow.c) and you just need to add hooks calling it when receiving packets from the interfaces. Works ok for me so far between PPP and my ethernet (which doesn't say much about the performance improvement :-)). I'll send the patches to the list soon. The only problem that I see is that it clutters up the kernel even if you don't use it (in NetBSD, it is compiled in only if you have the GATEWAY option, but you can't do that in FreeBSD since it's a kernel configuration variable). We should probably make it an explicit option but other than that I don't see any reason for not taking it. The bpf stuff is useful for userland application programmers. My understanding is that it's the same for the socket zero-copy stuff. I haven't looked at these yet. -- Pierre Beyssac pb@fasterix.frmug.org pb@fasterix.freenix.org {Free,Net,Open}BSD, Linux : il y a moins bien, mais c'est plus cher Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 12:29:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05931 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:29:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05916 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:29:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23591; Fri, 1 May 1998 12:29:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Message-ID: <354A2281.214A23E2@san.rr.com> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 12:29:05 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE-0426 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Wemm CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: bind-8 import References: <199805011050.SAA22923@spinner.netplex.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Wemm wrote: > > Advance warning: a bind-8.1.2-T3B import is in the pipeline. May I ask WHY you are doing this, and if the decision has been discussed? There are serious implications regarding the libraries and include files with BIND 8, including problems with the resolver. These problems go way beyond the cosmetic problems related to the conf file. Here is a quote from the INSTALL file: Shared Libraries Absolutely no support exists for editing the system's shared libraries to update the resolver. If you want to do that you probably want to look at BIND Version 4 (see http://www.isc.org/isc/) or wait a while or help out a lot. This means you probably do not want to install the library or include files into /usr/lib or /usr/include, and this kit helpfully puts everything into /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/include for that reason among others. Are these issues being considered, and if so what are the solutions proposed? Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud designer and maintainer of the world's largest Internet *** Relay Chat server with 5,328 simultaneous connections. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 13:23:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13921 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:23:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13914 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:22:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04010; Fri, 1 May 1998 15:22:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805012022.PAA04010@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: death of apache, signal 6 (abort) In-Reply-To: <19980501203843.12351@follo.net> from Eivind Eklund at "May 1, 98 08:38:43 pm" To: eivind@yes.no (Eivind Eklund) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:22:47 -0500 (EST) Cc: lists@saten.dyn.ml.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Eivind Eklund said: > On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 09:16:45PM +0400, áÎÄŇĹĘ ţĹŇÎĎ× wrote: > > On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 04:24:15AM -0500, Phillip Salzman wrote: > > > Is anyone else having this problem, I also had X die on signal 6 once > > > today, but it has not happened since. > > > > I also see this problem, but not often. It maybe even apache problem. > > I've from time to time tracked down this kind of error from apache. > It has always been either a problem in one of our modules, or a > problem in apache. > This is looking more and more like a bug in the new map_split code (more precisely, looks like some cases not properly handled.) (The new code mitigates the negative effects of object based memory containers, while not taking on the disadvantages of SVR4 type approaches. This keeps the "chunk" based approach, while not needing to normally deal with pages all of the time.) -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 13:25:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14609 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:25:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14533; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:25:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04029; Fri, 1 May 1998 15:25:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805012025.PAA04029@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Fwd: NetBSD network code improvements In-Reply-To: <19980501205833.A655@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> from Pierre Beyssac at "May 1, 98 08:58:33 pm" To: pb@fasterix.freenix.org (Pierre Beyssac) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 15:25:02 -0500 (EST) Cc: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Remember, if we take anything from NetBSD, we need to fully credit them. Even though some "teams" are very liberal with other's ideas, lets (the FreeBSD team) not get into that habit. > > It is modular enough that I ported it in 2 hours, and > I'm currently running it. Everything is in one file (ip_flow.c) > and you just need to add hooks calling it when receiving packets > from the interfaces. Works ok for me so far between PPP and my > ethernet (which doesn't say much about the performance improvement > :-)). I'll send the patches to the list soon. The only problem that > I see is that it clutters up the kernel even if you don't use it > (in NetBSD, it is compiled in only if you have the GATEWAY option, > but you can't do that in FreeBSD since it's a kernel configuration > variable). We should probably make it an explicit option but other > than that I don't see any reason for not taking it. > > The bpf stuff is useful for userland application programmers. My > understanding is that it's the same for the socket zero-copy stuff. > I haven't looked at these yet. > -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 13:34:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17145 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:34:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA17127 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:34:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yVMVr-0004gn-00; Fri, 1 May 1998 13:34:31 -0700 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 13:34:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Studded cc: Peter Wemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: bind-8 import In-Reply-To: <354A2281.214A23E2@san.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 1 May 1998, Studded wrote: > Peter Wemm wrote: > > > > Advance warning: a bind-8.1.2-T3B import is in the pipeline. > > May I ask WHY you are doing this, and if the decision has been > discussed? There are serious implications regarding the libraries and It is named only. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 14:21:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24006 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 14:21:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c243.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23992 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 14:21:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA05298; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:21:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Studded cc: Peter Wemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: HEADS UP: bind-8 import In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 May 1998 12:29:05 PDT." <354A2281.214A23E2@san.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 17:21:28 -0400 Message-ID: <5294.894057688@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Studded wrote in message ID <354A2281.214A23E2@san.rr.com>: > Absolutely no support exists for editing the system's shared > libraries to update the resolver. If you want to do that you > probably want to look at BIND Version 4 (see > http://www.isc.org/isc/) > or wait a while or help out a lot. This means you probably do > not > want to install the library or include files into /usr/lib or > /usr/include, and this kit helpfully puts everything into > /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/include for that reason among > others. That looks more like a warning for people who are running without the source code to their shared libraries (e.g. sunos/solaris). There was a kit inside the bind4.9.x code tree that allowed you to replace the resolver inside libc with the one from the bind sources (at least for sunos4.1.x, if not others). My reading of the above is that 8.x doesn't have that support anymore (probably too many changes) and it shouldn't affect us (unless we suddenly have stopped giving sources out :) ) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 14:55:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29318 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 14:55:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA29289; Fri, 1 May 1998 14:54:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA07971; Fri, 1 May 1998 23:54:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.6.9) id WAA02035; Fri, 1 May 1998 22:43:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 22:43:35 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: sthaug@nethelp.no, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Stefan Esser Subject: Re: Patches to recognize 440BX chipset Mail-Followup-To: sthaug@nethelp.no, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, Stefan Esser References: <3624.893972352@verdi.nethelp.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <3624.893972352@verdi.nethelp.no>; from sthaug@nethelp.no on Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 11:39:12PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1998-04-30 23:39 +0200, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > + case 0x71908086: > + return ("Intel 82443BX host to PCI bridge"); > + case 0x71918086: > + return ("Intel 82443BX host to AGP bridge"); > + case 0x71928086: > + return ("Intel 82443BX host to PCI bridge (AGP disabled)"); Thanks! Will commit the patch next time I login to Freefall ... Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 15:56:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09270 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 15:56:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09262 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 15:56:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelh@cet.co.jp) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.8/CET-v2.2) with SMTP id WAA12108; Fri, 1 May 1998 22:54:47 GMT Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 07:54:47 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: sthaug@nethelp.no cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Patches to recognize 440BX chipset In-Reply-To: <18849.894045048@verdi.nethelp.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 1 May 1998 sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > > These are good numbers. How quickly does it make world? > > 46 minutes. This is with: Hoo ha! Smoked the 60 minute barrier. I gotta have one of these! > 3.0-980429-SNAP, disks IBM DCAS-34330W (4.3 GB, /usr/obj) and DHEA-36480 > (6.4 GB, DMA, /usr/src). SCSI controller is 2940UW, AHC_TAGENABLE. /usr/src > and /usr/obj mounted async, noatime. make.conf has -O -pipe. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 16:11:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA11348 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:11:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [195.1.171.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA11324 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:11:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 22939 invoked by uid 1001); 1 May 1998 23:11:11 +0000 (GMT) To: michaelh@cet.co.jp Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Patches to recognize 440BX chipset In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 2 May 1998 07:54:47 +0900 (JST)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.28.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 01:11:11 +0200 Message-ID: <22937.894064271@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > 46 minutes. This is with: > > Hoo ha! Smoked the 60 minute barrier. I gotta have one of these! Yup, I'd like to have one myself :-) (I don't own the machine I'm running these tests on). My guess is you could improve a bit on this time with faster disks (eg. Cheetahs). But given fairly inexpensive 5400 RPM disks, I have to say I'm quite happy. I also tried using MFS instead of -pipe. Got almost exactly the same time (MFS about 20 seconds slower, which is really not significant). Other things which would be interesting to try are soft updates, and the new CAM code. Maybe tomorrow... Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 16:26:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13914 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:26:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parkplace.cet.co.jp (parkplace.cet.co.jp [202.32.64.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13904; Fri, 1 May 1998 16:26:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelh@cet.co.jp) Received: from localhost (michaelh@localhost) by parkplace.cet.co.jp (8.8.8/CET-v2.2) with SMTP id XAA12178; Fri, 1 May 1998 23:25:36 GMT Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 08:25:35 +0900 (JST) From: Michael Hancock To: Gary Palmer cc: Studded , Peter Wemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: bind-8 import In-Reply-To: <5294.894057688@gjp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 1 May 1998, Gary Palmer wrote: > That looks more like a warning for people who are running without the > source code to their shared libraries (e.g. sunos/solaris). There was > a kit inside the bind4.9.x code tree that allowed you to replace the > resolver inside libc with the one from the bind sources (at least for > sunos4.1.x, if not others). My reading of the above is that 8.x doesn't > have that support anymore (probably too many changes) and it shouldn't > affect us (unless we suddenly have stopped giving sources out :) ) Paul is counting on people behind the various distributions to do most of the work. We need people to research the RFCs and implement the new stuff. Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 17:14:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24398 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:14:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24343 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:14:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.0.Beta7/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id CAA18404 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 May 1998 02:14:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pb@fasterix.frmug.org) Received: (from pb@localhost) by fasterix.frmug.org (8.8.8/8.8.5/pb-19970302) id CAA11035 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 May 1998 02:12:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980502021259.A10990@fasterix.frmug.fr.net> Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 02:12:59 +0200 From: Pierre Beyssac To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: for review: minor patch to kern_exit.c Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'd like to commit the following trivial patch, but I prefer to check with competent people first :-). Has been running fine on my system for a few days; fixes the CPU part of PR# kern/5236 (zombie processes showing in ps as using CPU and mem). The mem part seems to be gone, maybe due to other VM changes. --- kern_exit.c 1998/04/06 08:26:03 1.66 +++ kern_exit.c 1998/05/02 00:05:24 @@ -270,6 +270,8 @@ LIST_REMOVE(p, p_list); LIST_INSERT_HEAD(&zombproc, p, p_list); p->p_stat = SZOMB; + p->p_cpticks = 0; + p->p_pctcpu = 0; LIST_REMOVE(p, p_hash); -- Pierre Beyssac pb@fasterix.frmug.org pb@fasterix.freenix.org {Free,Net,Open}BSD, Linux : il y a moins bien, mais c'est plus cher Free domains: http://www.eu.org/ or mail dns-manager@EU.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 17:50:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA28908 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:50:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28891 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 17:50:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA11713 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 19:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 19:49:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: groff/devascii Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My buildworld seems to break here, in a way that's confusing. Here's the error listing: ===> devascii Making R sed: 2: "s/^\([^ ]*\) [0-9]+ /\1 ...": invalid command code / *** Error code 1 (from groff/devascii) I have an smp machine I do this on, so the first thing I did was cd to the groff directory and try a one directory build to see closer what broke ... those of you doing smp -j 12 builds know that the error messages are sometimes not real clear. When I did the build from groff, it worked just fine. Confusing ... so I tried another make buildworld, but this time without the -j 12, so I would get the equivalent of a non-smp build. Same error, just with a more comprehensible error listing (the one you see above). Again I tried to cd to the groff directory and do the make again (with a clean obj directory, yes, no .depend files even) but again, it works fine from there. OK, I'm puzzled ... any ideas? Anyone not seeing this? ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 18:16:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02719 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:16:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from st-lcremean.tidalwave.net (lee@host-e186.tidalwave.net [208.213.203.186] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02710; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:16:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lee@st-lcremean.tidalwave.net) Received: (from lee@localhost) by st-lcremean.tidalwave.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA13854; Fri, 1 May 1998 21:16:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lee) Message-ID: <19980501211628.10968@st-lcremean.tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 21:16:28 -0400 From: Lee Cremeans To: Stefan Esser Cc: sthaug@nethelp.no, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Patches to recognize 440BX chipset Reply-To: lcremean@tidalwave.net References: <3624.893972352@verdi.nethelp.no> <19980501224335.52554@mi.uni-koeln.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19980501224335.52554@mi.uni-koeln.de>; from Stefan Esser on Fri, May 01, 1998 at 10:43:35PM +0200 X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE (soon to be 3.0-CURRENT) X-Evil: microsoft.com Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 01, 1998 at 10:43:35PM +0200, Stefan Esser wrote: > On 1998-04-30 23:39 +0200, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > > + case 0x71908086: > > + return ("Intel 82443BX host to PCI bridge"); > > + case 0x71918086: > > + return ("Intel 82443BX host to AGP bridge"); > > + case 0x71928086: > > + return ("Intel 82443BX host to PCI bridge (AGP disabled)"); > > Thanks! Will commit the patch next > time I login to Freefall ... FWIW, I've been wanting to get recognition for VIA Technologies' Socket 7 chipsets added...I know all the device IDs, and should have a patch before the weekend is out (I had something ready to go last night, but alas, being a CVS newbie, it got erased. :|) -- Lee C. -- Manassas, VA, USA (WakkyMouse on DALnet #watertower) A! JW223 YWD+++^ri P&B++ SL+++^i GDF B&M KK--i MD+++i P++ I++++ Did $++ E5/10/70/3c/73ac/95/96 H2 PonPippi Ay77 M | lcremean@tidalwave.net FreeBSD/Linux/Unix hacker...Win95 and M$ evil! (go see www.freebsd.org) My home page: http://st-lcremean.tidalwave.net/~lee | finger me for geek code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 18:31:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04900 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:31:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from albatros.physics.utoronto.ca (albatros.physics.utoronto.ca [128.100.78.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04892 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:31:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ovi@physics.utoronto.ca) Received: from physics.utoronto.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by albatros.physics.utoronto.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA03374 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 21:31:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ovi@physics.utoronto.ca) Message-ID: <354A7757.B8FDBB8@physics.utoronto.ca> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 21:31:04 -0400 From: Ovidiu Toader Organization: University of Toronto X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-971022-SNAP i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 18:58:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09509 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:58:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from d183-205.uoregon.edu (d183-205.uoregon.edu [128.223.183.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09491; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:58:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gurney_j@efn.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by d183-205.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA06269; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980501185845.59228@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 18:58:45 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Stefan Esser Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Patches to recognize 440BX chipset References: <3624.893972352@verdi.nethelp.no> <19980501224335.52554@mi.uni-koeln.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <19980501224335.52554@mi.uni-koeln.de>; from Stefan Esser on Fri, May 01, 1998 at 10:43:35PM +0200 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stefan Esser scribbled this message on May 1: > On 1998-04-30 23:39 +0200, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > > + case 0x71908086: > > + return ("Intel 82443BX host to PCI bridge"); > > + case 0x71918086: > > + return ("Intel 82443BX host to AGP bridge"); > > + case 0x71928086: > > + return ("Intel 82443BX host to PCI bridge (AGP disabled)"); > > Thanks! Will commit the patch next > time I login to Freefall ... are we going to have a version of the pci code that doesn't incldue so many text strings? something like NO_SCSI_SENSE that eliminates most of those text strings... heck, NO_SCSI_SENSE isn't even documented, guess it's time to document/make a proper option... -- John-Mark Gurney Modem Rev/FAX: +1 541 346 9237 Cu Networking P.O. Box 5693, 97405 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD Don't trust anyone you don't have the source for To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 19:07:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10969 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 19:07:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA10956 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 19:07:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01136; Fri, 1 May 1998 19:06:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Chuck Robey cc: FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: groff/devascii In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 May 1998 19:49:27 EDT." Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 19:06:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1131.894074805@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > My buildworld seems to break here, in a way that's confusing. Here's > the error listing: > > ===> devascii > Making R > sed: 2: "s/^\([^ ]*\) [0-9]+ /\1 ...": invalid command code / > *** Error code 1 We're all seeing this. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 19:08:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11261 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 19:08:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from st-lcremean.tidalwave.net (lee@host-e186.tidalwave.net [208.213.203.186] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11226 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 19:08:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lee@st-lcremean.tidalwave.net) Received: (from lee@localhost) by st-lcremean.tidalwave.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA14203; Fri, 1 May 1998 22:08:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lee) Message-ID: <19980501220821.22147@st-lcremean.tidalwave.net> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 22:08:21 -0400 From: Lee Cremeans To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Patches for VIA Socket 7 chipsets Reply-To: lcremean@tidalwave.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e X-OS: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE (soon to be 3.0-CURRENT) X-Evil: microsoft.com Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This patch will let pcisupport.c recognise most of VIA Technologies' Socket 7 chipsets, including the VP2 and VP3, and also the infamous VXPro and VXTWO knockoffs. This is patched from -current CVSupped as of last night; a patch for -stable is coming. --- pcisupport.c.orig Fri May 1 21:17:04 1998 +++ pcisupport.c Fri May 1 21:58:36 1998 @@ -243,6 +243,26 @@ return ("VLSI 82C535 Eagle II System Controller"); case 0x01051004: return ("VLSI 82C147 IrDA Controller"); + /* VIA Technologies -- vendor 0x1106 + Note that the old Apollo Master chipset is not in here, as VIA + does not seem to have any docs on their website for it, and I do + not have a Master board in my posession. -LC */ + + case 0x05851106: + return("VIA 82C585 (Apollo VP1/VPX) system controller"); + case 0x05861106: /* south bridge section -- IDE is covered in ide_pci.c */ + return("VIA 82C586 PCI-ISA bridge"); + case 0x05951106: + case 0x15951106: + return("VIA 82C595 (Apollo VP2) system controller"); + case 0x05971106: + return("VIA 82C597 (Apollo VP3) system controller"); + /* XXX need info on the MVP3 -- any takers? */ + case 0x30381106: + return("VIA 82C586B USB host controller"); + case 0x30401106: + return("VIA 82C586B ACPI interface"); + }; if (descr = generic_pci_bridge(tag)) -- Lee C. -- Manassas, VA, USA (WakkyMouse on DALnet #watertower) A! JW223 YWD+++^ri P&B++ SL+++^i GDF B&M KK--i MD+++i P++ I++++ Did $++ E5/10/70/3c/73ac/95/96 H2 PonPippi Ay77 M | lcremean@tidalwave.net FreeBSD/Linux/Unix hacker...Win95 and M$ evil! (go see www.freebsd.org) My home page: http://st-lcremean.tidalwave.net/~lee | finger me for geek code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 19:38:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15885 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 19:38:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15852 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 19:38:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA07788 for current@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 May 1998 12:39:46 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805020239.MAA07788@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: bc changes have broken make world To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 12:39:46 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The latest changes to bc are causing the groff/devascii build to fail. Before the change, groff/devascii would do: echo 240 / 10 | bc and get: 24 The new bc outputs: 240 / 10 24 which is incompatible with groff/Makefile.tty This needs to be fixed. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 19:48:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17831 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 19:48:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17811 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 19:48:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id KAA08192; Sat, 2 May 1998 10:48:43 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199805020248.KAA08192@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Studded cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: bind-8 import In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 01 May 1998 12:29:05 MST." <354A2281.214A23E2@san.rr.com> Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 10:48:42 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Studded wrote: > Peter Wemm wrote: > > > > Advance warning: a bind-8.1.2-T3B import is in the pipeline. > > May I ask WHY you are doing this, and if the decision has been > discussed? There are serious implications regarding the libraries and > include files with BIND 8, including problems with the resolver. These > problems go way beyond the cosmetic problems related to the conf file. At this stage, I'm planning on doing an import of src/contrib/bind and updating all the bmake scaffolding (already done) to build named{-xfer}, dig, host, nslookup etc. libc and the include files are 100% entirely seperate. They are being left out for the time being. I agree completely, updating the resolver to use IRS is not something to be rushed into. I'm not sure I even want to at all, but there's bound to be lots more said on the subject. (In particular, I want something that's extensible, so it should be possible to support different resolvers beyond the base 3 (4? - hesiod) types that are built into the library. > Here is a quote from the INSTALL file: > > Shared Libraries > > Absolutely no support exists for editing the system's shared > libraries to update the resolver. If you want to do that you > probably want to look at BIND Version 4 (see > http://www.isc.org/isc/) > or wait a while or help out a lot. This means you probably do > not > want to install the library or include files into /usr/lib or > /usr/include, and this kit helpfully puts everything into > /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/include for that reason among > others. > > Are these issues being considered, and if so what are the solutions > proposed? Not relevant to us.. This is for people trying to build the bind resolvers into their system libc BINARIES (eg: SunOS). We have a stand-alone version of the hostname resolver stuff in out libraries. It's quite a bit of effort to upgrade this, but it'll be on the agenda some time since the resolver and DNS components at least should use the new components... We can upgrade those without going all the way with IRS. In all, Don't Panic. Apart from the named.boot/named.conf problem, the rest is a non-issue for now. I'd like to get named up and running and stable in it's imported form before messing with the resolver. > Doug Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 19:51:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA18278 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 19:51:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mantar.slip.netcom.com (mantar.slip.netcom.com [192.187.167.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA18273 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 19:51:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@netcom.com) Received: from dual (DUAL [192.168.0.2]) by mantar.slip.netcom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA00372; Fri, 1 May 1998 19:51:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@netcom.com) Message-Id: <199805020251.TAA00372@mantar.slip.netcom.com> X-Sender: null@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 19:51:23 -0700 To: Chuck Robey , FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG From: Manfred Antar Subject: Re: groff/devascii In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id TAA18274 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 07:49 PM 5/1/98 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > >My buildworld seems to break here, in a way that's confusing. Here's >the error listing: > >===> devascii >Making R >sed: 2: "s/^\([^ ]*\) [0-9]+ /\1 ...": invalid command code / >*** Error code 1 > >(from groff/devascii) > >I have an smp machine I do this on, so the first thing I did was cd to >the groff directory and try a one directory build to see closer what >broke ... those of you doing smp -j 12 builds know that the error >messages are sometimes not real clear. > >When I did the build from groff, it worked just fine. Confusing ... so >I tried another make buildworld, but this time without the -j 12, so I >would get the equivalent of a non-smp build. Same error, just with a >more comprehensible error listing (the one you see above). Again I >tried to cd to the groff directory and do the make again (with a clean >obj directory, yes, no .depend files even) but again, it works fine from >there. > >OK, I'm puzzled ... any ideas? Anyone not seeing this? > I was seeing this last night on a smp machine. I resupped current this morning an did a make -j6 world no problem. I don't know what changed though. Manfred |=======================| |         mantar@netcom.com     | | pozo@infinex.com | |         Ph. (415) 681-6235         | |=======================| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 20:39:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA25884 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 20:39:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25877 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 20:39:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA07967; Sat, 2 May 1998 13:40:25 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805020340.NAA07967@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: groff/devascii In-Reply-To: <1131.894074805@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "May 1, 98 07:06:45 pm" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:40:25 +1000 (EST) Cc: chuckr@glue.umd.edu, FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > My buildworld seems to break here, in a way that's confusing. Here's > > the error listing: > > > > ===> devascii > > Making R > > sed: 2: "s/^\([^ ]*\) [0-9]+ /\1 ...": invalid command code / > > *** Error code 1 > > We're all seeing this. I think it's fixed. Well, hacked. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 20:44:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26572 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 20:44:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (tc-27.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA26559 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 20:44:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id AAA06784; Sat, 2 May 1998 00:44:10 -0300 (ADT) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 00:44:10 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Chuck Robey , FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: groff/devascii In-Reply-To: <1131.894074805@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 1 May 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > My buildworld seems to break here, in a way that's confusing. Here's > > the error listing: > > > > ===> devascii > > Making R > > sed: 2: "s/^\([^ ]*\) [0-9]+ /\1 ...": invalid command code / > > *** Error code 1 > > We're all seeing this. Great, and I was beginning to think I was the only one :) What I'm sort of confused about is that if I go into the groff directory and do a 'make cleandir;make depend;make', it all appears to work...its only on the 'make world' that it breaks... I don't know if this is significant...is there something different set on a 'make world' from just doing a 'make' in the directory? Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 21:03:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28963 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 21:03:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28954 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 21:03:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA14556; Fri, 1 May 1998 23:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 23:02:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: John Birrell cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: groff/devascii In-Reply-To: <199805020340.NAA07967@cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 2 May 1998, John Birrell wrote: > Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > My buildworld seems to break here, in a way that's confusing. Here's > > > the error listing: > > > > > > ===> devascii > > > Making R > > > sed: 2: "s/^\([^ ]*\) [0-9]+ /\1 ...": invalid command code / > > > *** Error code 1 > > > > We're all seeing this. > > I think it's fixed. Well, hacked. If it is, could you give me a guess as to why it would been seen in a buildworld, but not in a make from gnu/usr.bin/groff? That's the part that I found confusing. > > -- > John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ > CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 21:12:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29973 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 21:12:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29962 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 21:12:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA08074; Sat, 2 May 1998 14:13:53 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805020413.OAA08074@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: groff/devascii In-Reply-To: from Chuck Robey at "May 1, 98 11:02:05 pm" To: chuckr@glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 14:13:52 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, jkh@time.cdrom.com, FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chuck Robey wrote: > If it is, could you give me a guess as to why it would been seen in a > buildworld, but not in a make from gnu/usr.bin/groff? That's the part > that I found confusing. buildworld builds things into /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp and executes them for the rest of the build. Only when all things have been built using the new tools does it remove DESTDIR and allow programs to get installed in /usr/bin etc. When you did a make from gnu/usr.bin/groff, I bet you didn't set DESTDIR to /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp, so you were using the old (= working) version of bc. If you had done a 'make all && make install' in src/gnu/usr.bin/bc, then groff/devascii would have failed. This is an example of what is good about the build process. It doesn't clobber anything if the buildworld fails. The problem here, though, is that the changes to bc were obviously committed without the developer doing a make world. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 21:29:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02568 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 21:29:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02560 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 21:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA14761; Fri, 1 May 1998 23:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 23:28:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: John Birrell cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bc changes have broken make world In-Reply-To: <199805020239.MAA07788@cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 2 May 1998, John Birrell wrote: > The latest changes to bc are causing the groff/devascii build to > fail. Before the change, groff/devascii would do: > > echo 240 / 10 | bc > > and get: > > 24 > > The new bc outputs: > > 240 / 10 > 24 Oh, is that the reason? If I were to update my system bc, it would then fail for builds in all cases ... I gotcha ... yeah, I see this. > > which is incompatible with groff/Makefile.tty > > This needs to be fixed. > > -- > John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ > CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 22:03:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07317 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 22:03:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07310 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 22:03:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA15206; Sat, 2 May 1998 00:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 00:01:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: John Birrell cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: groff/devascii In-Reply-To: <199805020413.OAA08074@cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 2 May 1998, John Birrell wrote: > Chuck Robey wrote: > > If it is, could you give me a guess as to why it would been seen in a > > buildworld, but not in a make from gnu/usr.bin/groff? That's the part > > that I found confusing. > > buildworld builds things into /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp and executes them > for the rest of the build. Only when all things have been built using > the new tools does it remove DESTDIR and allow programs to get installed > in /usr/bin etc. When you did a make from gnu/usr.bin/groff, I bet you > didn't set DESTDIR to /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp, so you were using the > old (= working) version of bc. If you had done a 'make all && make > install' in src/gnu/usr.bin/bc, then groff/devascii would have failed. > > This is an example of what is good about the build process. It doesn't > clobber anything if the buildworld fails. > > The problem here, though, is that the changes to bc were obviously > committed without the developer doing a make world. Well, a minimal fix would be to change the line 240 / 10 | bc to 240 / 10 | bc | sed -e "1d" which would trim out the first line. I took a look at the bc code, it wasn't obvious how to get that echoing off ... it's likely some change in readline, I think. I'll commit this myself, after I do a test buildworld, if I don't hear any howls. It's in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/Makefile.tty (thanks for that tip, John, I'd never have found it!) > > -- > John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ > CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 22:06:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07652 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 22:06:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07645 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 22:06:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA08175; Sat, 2 May 1998 15:08:01 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805020508.PAA08175@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: groff/devascii In-Reply-To: from Chuck Robey at "May 2, 98 00:01:40 am" To: chuckr@glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 15:08:00 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, jkh@time.cdrom.com, FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chuck Robey wrote: > I'll commit this myself, after I do a test buildworld, if I don't hear > any howls. It's in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/Makefile.tty (thanks for > that tip, John, I'd never have found it!) We seem to have lag times on the mailing lists today (or is it "tonight" for you?). I've commited a fix to bc and my make world has gone well past it. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 22:31:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10493 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 22:31:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailer.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp (ns.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp [210.161.209.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA10488 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 22:31:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp) Received: from localhost (ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp [210.161.209.138]) by mailer.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp (8.8.8/3.6W) with ESMTP id OAA27365 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 14:22:35 +0900 (JST) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Q) Strange mem size w/ current kernel Reply-To: ken@tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93b1 on XEmacs 20.3 (Vatican City) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980502142236D.ken@ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp> Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 14:22:36 +0900 From: Takeshi Yamada X-Dispatcher: imput version 971024 Lines: 43 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I noticed the following strange behavior with current kernel. Is it only a display problem, or something goes wrong? I am using P6@200, ASUS P/I-P6NP5 and 128MB DRAM (32MB x 4). 1) BIOS recognize 131072KB at parity check. 2) but, Extended Memory = 14336K is shown before boot select. 3) And, FreeBSD kernel's a) Kernel built with May 1st source says; May 2 13:34:10 ns1 /kernel.1: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. May 2 13:34:10 ns1 /kernel.1: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #5: Sat May 2 13:16:35 JST 1998 May 2 13:34:10 ns1 /kernel.1: root@ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp:/usr/src-current/sys/compile/TYD1 May 2 13:34:10 ns1 /kernel.1: Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz cost 3440 ns May 2 13:34:10 ns1 /kernel.1: Timecounter "TSC" frequency 199310107 Hz cost 288 ns May 2 13:34:10 ns1 /kernel.1: CPU: Pentium Pro (199.31-MHz 686-class CPU) May 2 13:34:10 ns1 /kernel.1: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x617 Stepping=7 May 2 13:34:10 ns1 /kernel.1: Features=0xf9ff May 2 13:34:10 ns1 /kernel.1: real memory = 15728640 (15360K bytes) May 2 13:34:10 ns1 /kernel.1: avail memory = 13176832 (12868K bytes) ^\^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ \ Just 15MB?? b) however, Kernel built with Feb. 2nd source says; May 2 13:05:31 ns1 /kernel: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. May 2 13:05:31 ns1 /kernel: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #0: Wed Feb 4 02:02:54 JST 1998 May 2 13:05:31 ns1 /kernel: ken@ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp:/usr/src-current/sys/compile/TYD May 2 13:05:31 ns1 /kernel: CPU: Pentium Pro (199.30-MHz 686-class CPU) May 2 13:05:31 ns1 /kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x617 Stepping=7 May 2 13:05:31 ns1 /kernel: Features=0xf9ff May 2 13:05:31 ns1 /kernel: real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) May 2 13:05:31 ns1 /kernel: avail memory = 127193088 (124212K bytes) ^\^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ \ Seems OK!! And May kernel is not stable. What is wrong with my machine? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri May 1 22:32:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10633 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 22:32:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA10618 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 22:32:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA19456; Sat, 2 May 1998 00:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 00:30:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: John Birrell cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: groff/devascii In-Reply-To: <199805020508.PAA08175@cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 2 May 1998, John Birrell wrote: > Chuck Robey wrote: > > I'll commit this myself, after I do a test buildworld, if I don't hear > > any howls. It's in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/groff/Makefile.tty (thanks for > > that tip, John, I'd never have found it!) > > We seem to have lag times on the mailing lists today (or is it "tonight" > for you?). I've commited a fix to bc and my make world has gone well > past it. OK, I use ctm so I'm sometimes hours behind. I won't do anything whatsoever about committing then (I'll find your change later), and my own buildworld is working now with my local change, which I'll toss as soon as it's over. > > -- > John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ > CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 00:33:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA20194 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 00:33:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA20186 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 00:33:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00307 for current@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 May 1998 02:32:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805020732.CAA00307@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Note about -current VM To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 02:32:58 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The VM object inheritance issues have become complex, and there are some consistancy problems with the code (some data structure locking is missing.) The problems are not severe, but I like to warn people when I feel that there are problems. I just committed a fix that is so incomplete as to be ludricrous :-(. I have some much better stuff coming up (i.e. there might be much more to be gained by testing the code as of late Sat (EST).) Please wait for VM commits on Saturday. You are very welcome to run the older code code, but there will be some quality breakthroughs coming up. This is just a FYI. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 00:50:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA21262 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 00:50:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA21180 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 00:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ggm@sleet.dstc.edu.au) Received: from sleet.dstc.edu.au (sleet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.45]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA11716 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:49:58 +1000 (EST) Received: (from ggm@localhost) by sleet.dstc.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.4) id RAA16758 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:49:57 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 17:49:57 +1000 (EST) From: George Michaelson Message-Id: <199805020749.RAA16758@sleet.dstc.edu.au> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: minor breakage in current for make world (gperf) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG cc -O -pipe -D_HAVE_PARAM_H -DLO_CAL -DGATHER_STATISTICS -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -static -o gperf options.o iterator.o main.o perfect.o keylist.o listnode.o xmalloc.o hashtable.o boolarray.o readline.o stderr.o version.o getopt.o stderr.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment stderr.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment stderr.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment *** Error code 1 -George To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 01:34:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA23527 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 01:34:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA23522 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 01:34:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA08480; Sat, 2 May 1998 18:36:03 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805020836.SAA08480@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: minor breakage in current for make world (gperf) In-Reply-To: <199805020749.RAA16758@sleet.dstc.edu.au> from George Michaelson at "May 2, 98 05:49:57 pm" To: ggm@dstc.edu.au (George Michaelson) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 18:36:02 +1000 (EST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG George Michaelson wrote: > > cc -O -pipe -D_HAVE_PARAM_H -DLO_CAL -DGATHER_STATISTICS -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -static -o gperf options.o iterator.o main.o perfect.o keylist.o listnode.o xmalloc.o hashtable.o boolarray.o readline.o stderr.o version.o getopt.o > stderr.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment > stderr.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment > stderr.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment > *** Error code 1 Have you build libc? It looks like you are compiling with the new errno.h header but linking against and old libc. If this is part of a make world, please let me know ASAP, because the bootstrap build might need fixing. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 02:40:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA27218 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 02:40:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailer.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp (ns.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp [210.161.209.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA27205 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 02:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp) Received: from localhost (ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp [210.161.209.138]) by mailer.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp (8.8.8/3.6W) with ESMTP id SAA27633 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 18:30:52 +0900 (JST) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q) Strange mem size w/ current kernel Reply-To: ken@tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 02 May 1998 14:22:36 +0900" <19980502142236D.ken@ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp> References: <19980502142236D.ken@ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93b1 on XEmacs 20.3 (Vatican City) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980502183102D.ken@ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp> Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 18:31:02 +0900 From: Takeshi Yamada X-Dispatcher: imput version 971024 Lines: 7 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry, it was a BIOS issue, although why the old kernel showed correct mem size and new one not remains me as a question. Mine was #401A0-0104, and upgrade to #401A0-0106 solved the problem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 02:54:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28055 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 02:54:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from door.bzw.com (door.bzw.com [194.205.158.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA28050 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 02:54:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Pierre.Dampure@barclayscapital.com) Received: (from mailman@localhost) by door.bzw.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA03285 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 10:53:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from gate.bzw.com(194.205.158.68) by door.bzw.com via smap (V2.0) id xma003217; Sat, 2 May 98 10:53:26 +0100 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gate.bzw.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA19844 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 10:54:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from fwgw01-dmz(194.205.158.129) by gate.bzw.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019748; Sat, 2 May 98 10:54:03 +0100 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by fwgw01.ldn.bzwint.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA15961 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 10:53:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from oplss0001.itops.ldn.bzwint.com(30.75.1.4) by fwgw01.ldn.bzwint.com via smap (V2.0) id xma015952; Sat, 2 May 98 10:53:43 +0100 Received: from nmb01gw01 (oplss0001.itops.ldn.bzwint.com [30.75.1.4]) by oplss0001.itops.ldn.bzwint.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA14972 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 10:53:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from exintgw02.itops.ldn.bzwint.com (exintgw02.itops.ldn.bzwint.com [30.45.1.87]) by nmb01gw01 (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ka161704 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 10:32:20 +0100 Received: by exintgw02.itops.ldn.bzwint.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Sat, 2 May 1998 10:43:52 +0100 Message-ID: <711DCB8FB391D111B9DD00805F8BDDBA0FCB14@exips0019.itops.ldn.bzwint.com> From: "Dampure, Pierre-Yves: IT Ops" To: "'freebsd-current@freebsd.org'" Subject: Problems with readline-enabled bc Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 10:44:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MimeMultipartBoundary" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --MimeMultipartBoundary Content-Type: text/plain (This is a repost, since it looks whatever I mailed via Pipex got filtered) Marc Fournier reported on the 30th various problems with a make world on current. Specifically, his last message referred to problems encountered while building the devascii fonts for groff. I investigated a bit and found that this was due to our new version of bc, which is readline-enabled. To convince yourselves, try the following: echo 240 / 10 | bc and examine the results; bc-1.03 will return 24 whilst bc-1.04 will return 240 / 10 24 This obviously breaks the Makefile (Makefile.tty, more precisely). The new bc has a variable called history which you can set to 0 to disable the readline feature. We now have two options: 1) Avoid defining READLINE during the build of bc; this is not so nice, because I suspect many users will want it on. 2) Modify the code so that history is initialised to 0 by default Up until someones does this I guess make world will stay broken. Marc, your make world worked after you changed to the groff directory because you were calling the old bc (the new one was in /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin/bc). Best Regards, Pierre Y. Dampure DISCLAIMER: please note that the contents of this posting do not necessarily reflect the views of Barclays Capital --MimeMultipartBoundary-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 03:07:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA29417 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 03:07:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hermes.iaccess.com.au (hermes.iaccess.com.au [203.5.74.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA29412 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 03:07:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@iaccess.com.au) Received: from gfunk (hustler@lokiport1.iaccess.com.au [203.5.74.148]) by hermes.iaccess.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA07069 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:07:27 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980502200705.006b8c6c@iaccess.com.au> X-Sender: andrew@iaccess.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 20:07:09 +1000 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG From: Andrew Subject: httpd caught SIGBUS????? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hey, I just upgraded to the latest kernel which i CVSUP from freebsd.org and i it seems to have caused a problem with apache. I have apache running on port 464 for the cachemgr.cgi in squid. Everything is fine when i start httpd, but when i try to connect to port 464 or even when i try to telnet to that port, it says this: httpd caught SIGBUS: trying to dump core to /usr/local/etc/apache The ONLY thing i have changed is the kernel version. Any ideas? :) Thanks in advance Andrew Specht | System Administrator andrew@iaccess.com.au | Internet Access Australia +61 03 9686 6677 | Melbourne , Australia http://www.iaccess.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 03:14:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA00225 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 03:14:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from saten.dyn.ml.org (197.ppp3.gulftel.com [208.222.58.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA00219 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 03:14:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lists@saten.dyn.ml.org) Received: from localhost (lists@localhost) by saten.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA00242 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 05:12:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 05:12:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Phillip Salzman To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Virtual Memory (was: death of apache or something) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To disprove the theory that this could be a problem with the Apache httpd, I decided to CVSup the sources from the past. I decided to go with April 20th, 1998. I added the following line to the supfile: *default date=98.04.20.00.00.00 and CVSup'd. The problems are gone. I thought it was with the Virtual Memory, but a few people here said it could of been with apache itself. ---- Phillip Salzman eclipse@gulf.net |http://w3-machine.freebsdsector.oc-48.saten.dyn.ml.org/ |Mailing List Email: lists@saten.dyn.ml.org |Spam List Email: root@localhost To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 03:37:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA02301 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 03:37:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from saten.dyn.ml.org (197.ppp3.gulftel.com [208.222.58.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA02295 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 03:37:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lists@saten.dyn.ml.org) Received: from localhost (lists@localhost) by saten.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA00569; Sat, 2 May 1998 05:35:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 05:35:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Phillip Salzman To: Andrew cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: httpd caught SIGBUS????? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980502200705.006b8c6c@iaccess.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 2 May 1998, Andrew wrote: > hey, > > I just upgraded to the latest kernel which i CVSUP from freebsd.org and i > it seems to have caused a problem with apache. > I have apache running on port 464 for the cachemgr.cgi in squid. > Everything is fine when i start httpd, but when i try to connect to port > 464 or even when i try to telnet to that port, it says this: [snip] Yep, its the virtual memory. CVSup back to whatever date it was your old kernel was from if this bugs you. As in a previous post, Dyson is working on it. To go back to some other date on the sources, add this to your supfile: *default date=yr.mm.dd.hh.mm.ss - i did 98.04.20.00.00.00, but I just remembered that the Linux emu. was broken, and x11amp just core dumped on signal 10 for me... I do not know if it was broken on that date or not - maybe my hardware is b0rked. Phillip Salzman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 04:30:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA09307 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 04:30:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hermes.iaccess.com.au (hermes.iaccess.com.au [203.5.74.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA09295 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 04:30:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@iaccess.com.au) Received: from gfunk (lokiport1.iaccess.com.au [203.5.74.148]) by hermes.iaccess.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA09531; Sat, 2 May 1998 21:30:03 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980502212940.006bca10@iaccess.com.au> X-Sender: andrew@iaccess.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 21:29:43 +1000 To: Phillip Salzman From: Andrew Subject: Re: RE: httpd caught SIGBUS????? Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG DAAAAAMN.... i thought so... THanks for the reply :) I'll go back to what i had before then.. the only problem is that IPFILTER_LOG and IPFILTER_LKM won't work :( Thanks again Andrew Specht | System Administrator andrew@iaccess.com.au | Internet Access Australia +61 03 9686 6677 | Melbourne , Australia http://www.iaccess.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 05:08:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA12784 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 05:08:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA12778 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 05:08:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA19609; Sat, 2 May 1998 12:08:16 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id OAA08430; Sat, 2 May 1998 14:08:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980502140801.12293@follo.net> Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 14:08:01 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Phillip Salzman , Andrew Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: httpd caught SIGBUS????? References: <3.0.32.19980502200705.006b8c6c@iaccess.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Phillip Salzman on Sat, May 02, 1998 at 05:35:54AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 02, 1998 at 05:35:54AM -0500, Phillip Salzman wrote: > *default date=yr.mm.dd.hh.mm.ss - i did 98.04.20.00.00.00, but I just > remembered that the Linux emu. was broken, and x11amp just core dumped > on signal 10 for me... I do not know if it was broken on that date or > not - maybe my hardware is b0rked. I think this might have been the mapping of protection faults in FreeBSD to SIGBUS while they in Linux are mapped to SIGSEGV. I commited a fix for this (by Fred Gilham) on 1998/04/28 11:15:09 PDT. You could get this separately. It at least fix SIGBUS problems in a host of other programs. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 06:33:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA21458 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 06:33:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thing.dyn.ml.org (pm385-27.dialip.mich.net [35.9.11.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA21446 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 06:33:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mcdougall@ameritech.net) Received: from ameritech.net (bsdx [192.168.1.2]) by thing.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA14967; Sat, 2 May 1998 09:32:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mcdougall@ameritech.net) Message-ID: <354B2079.DB0EA380@ameritech.net> Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 09:32:42 -0400 From: Adam McDougall Reply-To: mcdougall@ameritech.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Birrell CC: George Michaelson , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: minor breakage in current for make world (gperf) References: <199805020836.SAA08480@cimlogic.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Birrell wrote: > George Michaelson wrote: > > > > cc -O -pipe -D_HAVE_PARAM_H -DLO_CAL -DGATHER_STATISTICS -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -static -o gperf options.o iterator.o main.o perfect.o keylist.o listnode.o xmalloc.o hashtable.o boolarray.o readline.o stderr.o version.o getopt.o > > stderr.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment > > stderr.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment > > stderr.o: Undefined symbol `___error' referenced from text segment > > *** Error code 1 > > Have you build libc? It looks like you are compiling with the new errno.h > header but linking against and old libc. If this is part of a make world, > please let me know ASAP, because the bootstrap build might need fixing. > > -- > John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ > CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message I get the same thing and have for a few days, in a make world. Is there an easy way to get around this so I can do a proper build, or would a real fix be easier? :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 08:19:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05926 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 08:19:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA05914 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 08:19:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA03038 for current@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 May 1998 15:44:50 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805021344.PAA03038@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Infrared ? (a simple experiment for laptop owners...) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 15:44:50 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was wondering if there is anyone working/playing with infrared on FreeBSD. I know that implementing IrDA is lot of work, and probably not very useful. But maybe we can implement something more primitive (say, in ppp) to allow the use of the IR port that is available on most portables nowadays ? I have just verified on the libretto that if i do hd -v /dev/ttyd1 (after setting clocal and some speed in the range 1200..115200) it is receiving infrared signals from the TV/stereo remotes. using ppp on /dev/cuaa1 also returns the garbage generated by the remotes, whereas it does not seem to receive its own data (maybe receive is disabled while transmitting). Perhaps some laptop owners can put their machines back to back, run ppp at the same speed and see if, going in "term" mode, they can talk to each other ? luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 08:31:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07599 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 08:31:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iclub.nsu.ru (iclub.nsu.ru [193.124.222.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA07584 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 08:31:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from semen@iclub.nsu.ru) Received: from localhost (semen@localhost) by iclub.nsu.ru (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA11939; Sat, 2 May 1998 22:33:22 +0700 (NSS) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 22:33:22 +0700 (NSS) From: Ustimenko Semen To: Andrew cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ethernet card Problems In-Reply-To: <016901bd74a1$5dae42a0$e34a05cb@alpine.iaccess> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, and sorry for late :-( On Fri, 1 May 1998, Andrew wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I'm having some ethernet crad problems. The card i'm using is a SMC8216 > >10/100Mbps > >I'm running it on 100Mbps. > >I'm running ipfilter with transproxy and squid on a 14 Gig cache on > >freebsd3.0-current, divertin all packets comin in on port 80 to transproxy. > >This is what messages tells me just before the whole thing crashes: > > > >Apr 30 12:29:10 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets > >Apr 30 12:29:10 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA > >Apr 30 12:35:06 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets > >Apr 30 12:35:06 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA > >Apr 30 12:38:35 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets > >Apr 30 12:38:35 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA > >Apr 30 13:22:10 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets > >Apr 30 13:22:11 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA > >Apr 30 13:22:57 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets > >Apr 30 13:22:57 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA > >Apr 30 13:33:30 aphrodite squid[200]: Restarting Squid Cache (version > >1.1.20)... > >Apr 30 13:33:32 aphrodite squid[200]: Ready to serve requests. > >Apr 30 13:59:36 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets > >Apr 30 13:59:36 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA > >Apr 30 22:38:34 aphrodite squid[200]: clientReadRequest: FD 51: (35) > >Resource temporarily unavailable > >Apr 30 23:22:24 aphrodite /kernel: Out of mbuf clusters - increase > maxusers! > >Apr 30 23:22:24 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: cannot allocate mbuf cluster > > > >I have maxusers set to 500 and it still runs out of mbuf clusters? > > > >It would be great if someone could shed some light on this problem > > > >Thanks in advance > > I wonder, if you use only SMC8216, how does tx driver boot? It supports only SMC9432TX (base on SMC83c17x chip). Else "tx0: can't stop TX DMA" may means that you have broken card, or PCI bus speed is more than 33Mhz. (If only there is no bugs :-) I'm keeping looking. Try to enable EPIC_USE_IOSPACE option in if_tx.c, it forces use outl instead of movl. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 08:34:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA08305 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 08:34:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles196.castles.com [208.214.165.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA08245 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 08:34:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA00312; Sat, 2 May 1998 07:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805021431.HAA00312@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: ken@tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q) Strange mem size w/ current kernel In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 02 May 1998 18:31:02 +0900." <19980502183102D.ken@ns1.tydfam.machida.tokyo.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 07:30:58 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Sorry, it was a BIOS issue, although why the old kernel > showed correct mem size and new one not remains me as a > question. > > Mine was #401A0-0104, and upgrade to #401A0-0106 solved > the problem. The new kernel is probably using the BIOS get-memory functions to obtain more detailed memory information. Your old BIOS obviously didn't get this right. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 09:45:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA17553 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 09:45:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coconut.itojun.org (root@coconut.itojun.org [210.160.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17509 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 09:45:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from itojun@itojun.org) Received: from localhost (itojun@localhost.itojun.org [127.0.0.1]) by coconut.itojun.org (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta12/3.6W) with ESMTP id BAA05317; Sun, 3 May 1998 01:45:06 +0900 (JST) To: Luigi Rizzo cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: luigi's message of Sat, 02 May 1998 15:44:50 +0200. <199805021344.PAA03038@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> X-Template-Reply-To: itojun@itojun.org X-Template-Return-Receipt-To: itojun@itojun.org X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 24 B4 2C 8C 98 57 FD 90 5F B4 60 79 54 16 E2 Subject: Re: Infrared ? (a simple experiment for laptop owners...) From: Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 01:45:06 +0900 Message-ID: <5313.894127506@coconut.itojun.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I have just verified on the libretto that if i do > hd -v /dev/ttyd1 >(after setting clocal and some speed in the range 1200..115200) it is >receiving infrared signals from the TV/stereo remotes. >using ppp on /dev/cuaa1 also returns the garbage generated by the >remotes, whereas it does not seem to receive its own data (maybe >receive is disabled while transmitting). >Perhaps some laptop owners can put their machines back to back, run ppp >at the same speed and see if, going in "term" mode, they can talk to >each other ? I've tried that several years before. If you open IR port as RS232C serial port (/dev/ttyd1), it will behave as half-duplex serial port. The port is strictly half-duplex, that is, if machine A and B send some bytes at the same time they will collide and junk byte will be received. Therefore, if you run ppp over IR port, you may be able to "ping" each other but you won't be able to perform ftp and other bulky data transfer. (by doing bulk data transfer the chance for the collision is very high) itojun To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 09:57:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19724 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 09:57:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA19687; Sat, 2 May 1998 09:57:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA03142; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:22:50 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805021522.RAA03142@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Infrared ? (a simple experiment for laptop owners...) To: itojun@itojun.org (Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 17:22:50 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <5313.894127506@coconut.itojun.org> from "Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh" at May 3, 98 01:44:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [forwarded to -mobile since it is probably relevant there --- i was wondering how hard would it be to implement a 'lightweight' IrDA to enable PPP between two FreeBSD laptops] > I've tried that several years before. > > If you open IR port as RS232C serial port (/dev/ttyd1), it will > behave as half-duplex serial port. The port is strictly half-duplex, > that is, if machine A and B send some bytes at the same time > they will collide and junk byte will be received. actually it seems that receive is disabled while transmitting, but the situation is no different from what you say. What i was wondering, though, is if we could implement some quick and dirty hack in iijppp to make it work. Example: one side (the 'client' ppp) acts as a master, the other one as a slave. The protocol is governed by the master, and the slave can only send a packet right after a pkt coming from the master. The master sends empty pkts if it has nothing to send, just to trigger responses from the slave. The slave sends empty pkts if it has nothing to send, just to keep the protocol up. The master will assume a failure in the slave if a pkt is not received after a timeout (conveniently larger than 1MSS at the link speed), and will transmit after a timeout even if no reply is received. The slave WILL NOT send after a timeout. This should be relatively easy to implement. Opinions ? cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 10:32:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23973 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 10:32:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23962 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 10:32:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09299; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:31:37 +0200 (CEST) To: Luigi Rizzo cc: itojun@itojun.org (Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh), current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Infrared ? (a simple experiment for laptop owners...) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 02 May 1998 17:22:50 +0200." <199805021522.RAA03142@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 19:31:37 +0200 Message-ID: <9297.894130297@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199805021522.RAA03142@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>, Luigi Rizzo writes: >Example: one side (the 'client' ppp) acts as a master, the other one as >a slave. The protocol is governed by the master, and the slave can only >send a packet right after a pkt coming from the master. Stupid as it may sound, this kind of thing could help improve ethernet response in certain client-server scenarioes. On the other hand, IP isn't very well suited to half-duplex, and to get a decent performance you probably need to flip though Tanenbaums book and see if you can find some old stuff from Hawai to use... -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 11:47:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03243 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 11:47:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jli.com (jli.com [199.2.111.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA03215 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 11:47:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trost@cloud.rain.com) Received: (qmail 6466 invoked by uid 4); 2 May 1998 18:46:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 4722 invoked from network); 2 May 1998 18:46:06 -0000 Received: from softdnserror (127.0.0.1) by softdnserror with SMTP; 2 May 1998 18:46:06 -0000 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Infrared ? (a simple experiment for laptop owners...) References: <9297.894130297@critter.freebsd.dk> In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 02 May 1998 19:31:37 +0200. <9297.894130297@critter.freebsd.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <4718.894134766.1@cloud.rain.com> Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 11:46:06 -0700 Message-ID: <4719.894134766@cloud.rain.com> From: Bill Trost Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG One concern I have (before getting into the nitty-gritty) is that anything "we" do (and I might go dig up an IR transceiver for my desktop just to help) be compatible with whatever else might be in use. Tekram (www.tekram.com) makes an IPX IR bridge, and Mac laptops run AppleTalk over their IrDA ports. I would expect the you might actually be able to get something out of Apple about what their machines do. Poul-Henning Kamp writes: >Example: one side (the 'client' ppp) acts as a master, the other >one as a slave. The protocol is governed by the master, and the >slave can only send a packet right after a pkt coming from the >master. On the other hand, IP isn't very well suited to half-duplex, and to get a decent performance you probably need to flip though Tanenbaums book and see if you can find some old stuff from Hawai to use... Slotted ALOHA is probably overkill for this task. You probably do not want to try more than two nodes in the infrared network. The reason is that IRdA ports have a fairly narrow beam width (30 degrees, as I recall), and not that great a range (3 feet +/- 3 feet). As soon as you add a third node, you will probably start running into hidden transmitter problems. ALOHA would deal with that in the simple case, but you more or less have to "know" that one node can reach all the other nodes in the network. Actually, in a two-node system, ALOHA more or less degenerates into the protocol Luigi described anyhow, so this seems like an on-track proposal. If you do try to go to three nodes, you may be better off with the PPP server acting as the master, as it is more likely to be the "fixed" system. Finally, I think cellphone systems like GSM use an ALOHA-like protocol as well, so that will provide a more recent literature reference. Note that cellphone systems have a known "master", however (the cell tower). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 13:32:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14937 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 13:32:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unix.tfs.net (as1-p77.tfs.net [139.146.210.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14932 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 13:32:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jbryant@unix.tfs.net) Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by unix.tfs.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id PAA02684; Sat, 2 May 1998 15:29:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199805022029.PAA02684@unix.tfs.net> Subject: Re: Infrared ? (a simple experiment for laptop owners...) In-Reply-To: <9297.894130297@critter.freebsd.dk> from Poul-Henning Kamp at "May 2, 98 07:31:37 pm" To: phk@critter.freebsd.dk (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 15:29:46 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: jbryant@unix.tfs.net X-Windows: R00LZ!@# MS-Winbl0wz DR00LZ!@# X-files: The truth is that the X-Files is fiction X-Republican: The best kind!!! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #5: Sun Mar 8 12:29:10 CST 1998 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply: > >Example: one side (the 'client' ppp) acts as a master, the other one as > >a slave. The protocol is governed by the master, and the slave can only > >send a packet right after a pkt coming from the master. > > Stupid as it may sound, this kind of thing could help improve ethernet > response in certain client-server scenarioes. On the other hand, IP > isn't very well suited to half-duplex, and to get a decent performance > you probably need to flip though Tanenbaums book and see if you can > find some old stuff from Hawai to use... can you say ALOHA? i'm starting to pick up again on the initial fragments of code i wrote to start on an AX.25 driver... many of the same problems... AX.25 is a half-duplex X.25 protocol used in amateur radio and military [through a very similar variant]. I might be able to get some more insights on this and have forcast a need for a driver such as this [i'm thinking about buying one of those new minituare toshiba book size computers, all they have is an ir port and pcmcia slots]. jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: KPC-3+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 13:57:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16590 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 13:57:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (tc-27.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16584 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 13:57:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA09027 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:57:25 -0300 (ADT) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 17:57:25 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Apache and -current kernel ... appears to work ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just CVSup'd down the latest kernel and installed it, including installing apache-current and lynx-current (I'm building a new machine) and just tested apache...it didn't die... Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 14:23:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA18988 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 14:23:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA18957 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 14:23:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id HAA09843; Sun, 3 May 1998 07:25:18 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805022125.HAA09843@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: minor breakage in current for make world (gperf) In-Reply-To: <354B2079.DB0EA380@ameritech.net> from Adam McDougall at "May 2, 98 09:32:42 am" To: mcdougall@ameritech.net Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 07:25:18 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, ggm@dstc.edu.au, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Adam McDougall wrote: > I get the same thing and have for a few days, in a make world. Is there an easy way to get around this so I can do a proper build, or would a real fix be easier? :) As a test, would you mind editing src/Makefile and moving: @echo @echo "--------------------------------------------------------------" @echo " Rebuilding bootstrap libraries" @echo "--------------------------------------------------------------" cd ${.CURDIR} && ${BMAKE} bootstrap-libraries before @echo @echo "--------------------------------------------------------------" @echo " Rebuilding tools needed to build the bootstrap libraries" @echo "--------------------------------------------------------------" cd ${.CURDIR} && ${BMAKE} lib-tools The problem is that lib-tools wants to link things compiled against headers that don't match the libraries. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 14:52:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22856 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 14:52:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22848; Sat, 2 May 1998 14:52:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id HAA09919; Sun, 3 May 1998 07:54:18 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805022154.HAA09919@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: VM changes broke SYSVSHM? To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 07:54:18 +1000 (EST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John, With a kernel including vm_map.c 1.123, my SYSVSHM tests fail in a process that forks. I tried a kernel from Apr 20 sources and that is OK. Are we entering another period of sustained VM instability? 8-) Now is not a good time. Is it possible/practical for you to branch your VM changes and have a few brave souls follow you down the branch to shake out the bugs? -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 15:56:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00348 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 15:56:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00285 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 15:55:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12316; Sat, 2 May 1998 23:43:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199805022243.XAA12316@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Luigi Rizzo cc: itojun@itojun.org (Jun-ichiro itojun Itoh), current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Infrared ? (a simple experiment for laptop owners...) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 02 May 1998 17:22:50 +0200." <199805021522.RAA03142@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 23:43:05 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > [forwarded to -mobile since it is probably relevant there --- i was > wondering how hard would it be to implement a 'lightweight' IrDA to > enable PPP between two FreeBSD laptops] > > > I've tried that several years before. > > > > If you open IR port as RS232C serial port (/dev/ttyd1), it will > > behave as half-duplex serial port. The port is strictly half-duplex, > > that is, if machine A and B send some bytes at the same time > > they will collide and junk byte will be received. > > actually it seems that receive is disabled while transmitting, but the > situation is no different from what you say. > What i was wondering, though, is if we could implement some quick and > dirty hack in iijppp to make it work. [.....] > This should be relatively easy to implement. Opinions ? I'd tend to implement some sort of half-duplex protocol layer at the ``struct physical'' layer in the new ppp (MP branch).... some relatively simple ``I've got control 'till I hand it over to you'' approach. It may even be useful to build something like that into the kernel - say as a line discipline. I haven't searched the rfcs.... > cheers > luigi > -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- > Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione > email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa > tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) > fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ > _____________________________|______________________________________ -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 16:11:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03095 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 16:11:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03074; Sat, 2 May 1998 16:11:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00372; Sat, 2 May 1998 18:11:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805022311.SAA00372@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: VM changes broke SYSVSHM? In-Reply-To: <199805022154.HAA09919@cimlogic.com.au> from John Birrell at "May 3, 98 07:54:18 am" To: jb@cimlogic.com.au (John Birrell) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 18:11:08 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Birrell said: > John, > > With a kernel including vm_map.c 1.123, my SYSVSHM tests fail in a > process that forks. I tried a kernel from Apr 20 sources and that is > OK. > > Are we entering another period of sustained VM instability? 8-) > Now is not a good time. Is it possible/practical for you to branch > your VM changes and have a few brave souls follow you down the > branch to shake out the bugs? > The changes were needed to get rid of the swap leaks. The instability is only transitory. I am working the issues (along with the threads stuff) right now. There have been continuing wierd problems with swap space utilization, and the changes should fix it. Do you have a copy of your tests that you could send to me? The more tools I have to fix the problems, the quicker they'll get solved. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 16:25:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05475 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 16:25:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05462; Sat, 2 May 1998 16:25:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA10141; Sun, 3 May 1998 09:27:47 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805022327.JAA10141@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: VM changes broke SYSVSHM? In-Reply-To: <199805022311.SAA00372@dyson.iquest.net> from "John S. Dyson" at "May 2, 98 06:11:08 pm" To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 09:27:47 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John S. Dyson wrote: > Do you have a copy of your tests that you could send to me? The > more tools I have to fix the problems, the quicker they'll get solved. They're deep in application tests that require 11 custom libraries. None of this code is built with make - it uses a proprietry build utility that executes a test supervisor utility to automatically run (and re-run) tests and compare the results across architectures (not just Unix). Getting the tests to work outside that environment is a lot of work. If you are prepared to work on a branch, I (and others) can work against current for normal work. Then I'm happy to build the branch too and test things out that way. As it stands, I have to peg part of my kernel sources back a week or so in order to work on whiat I regard as normal stuff. I'd like a chance to learn about this stuff so that I can get on with the alpha port. This little pig wants to learn to sing. 8-) We need to be able to support -current, because for many people 2.2.X is too far in the past. 8-) But we need to avoid throwing marbles where bladers are skating. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 17:01:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09935 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:01:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09907; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:01:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00326; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:01:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805030001.TAA00326@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: VM changes broke SYSVSHM? In-Reply-To: <199805022327.JAA10141@cimlogic.com.au> from John Birrell at "May 3, 98 09:27:47 am" To: jb@cimlogic.com.au (John Birrell) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 19:01:21 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, jb@cimlogic.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Birrell said: > John S. Dyson wrote: > > Do you have a copy of your tests that you could send to me? The > > more tools I have to fix the problems, the quicker they'll get solved. > > They're deep in application tests that require 11 custom libraries. > None of this code is built with make - it uses a proprietry build > utility that executes a test supervisor utility to automatically > run (and re-run) tests and compare the results across architectures > (not just Unix). Getting the tests to work outside that environment > is a lot of work. > > If you are prepared to work on a branch, I (and others) can work > against current for normal work. Then I'm happy to build the branch > too and test things out that way. As it stands, I have to peg part > of my kernel sources back a week or so in order to work on whiat > I regard as normal stuff. I'd like a chance to learn about this > stuff so that I can get on with the alpha port. This little pig wants > to learn to sing. 8-) > > We need to be able to support -current, because for many people 2.2.X > is too far in the past. 8-) But we need to avoid throwing marbles > where bladers are skating. > I understand, except this IS NOT LEADING EDGE. If we stop now, then we will persist with a long standing problem. Frankly, this problem needs to be solved. Hold off for another day at most. I can reproduce the bug, but it is not convienient. It would be nice if someone could reproduce the problem easily. The more complicated this gets for me, it will hit a threshold where it just wont get done. This is a mountain out of a molehill thing. Current is a version of the code, where those who us it in production need to extract their own "pseudo-releases." Give me a day, more distractions and dealing with emotional issues will only cause me to not deal with anything... BTW, the bug appears to be long-standing and only manifesting itself recently. This is of concern, and it needs to be fixed. I have disabled the split code, and the problem persists. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 18:22:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19366 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 18:22:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hermes.iaccess.com.au (hermes.iaccess.com.au [203.5.74.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19361 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 18:22:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@iaccess.com.au) Received: from gfunk ([203.5.74.212]) by hermes.iaccess.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA28536; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:21:20 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980503112053.006d23d0@iaccess.com.au> X-Sender: andrew@iaccess.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 11:20:55 +1000 To: Ustimenko Semen From: Andrew Subject: Re: ethernet card Problems Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for that... I'll try it :) If there were no bugs, then we wouldn't have all this fun tryin to fix 'em :) At 10:33 PM 5/2/98 +0700, Ustimenko Semen wrote: >Hello, and sorry for late :-( > >On Fri, 1 May 1998, Andrew wrote: > >> >Hi, >> > >> >I'm having some ethernet crad problems. The card i'm using is a SMC8216 >> >10/100Mbps >> >I'm running it on 100Mbps. >> >I'm running ipfilter with transproxy and squid on a 14 Gig cache on >> >freebsd3.0-current, divertin all packets comin in on port 80 to transproxy. >> >This is what messages tells me just before the whole thing crashes: >> > >> >Apr 30 12:29:10 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets >> >Apr 30 12:29:10 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA >> >Apr 30 12:35:06 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets >> >Apr 30 12:35:06 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA >> >Apr 30 12:38:35 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets >> >Apr 30 12:38:35 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA >> >Apr 30 13:22:10 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets >> >Apr 30 13:22:11 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA >> >Apr 30 13:22:57 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets >> >Apr 30 13:22:57 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA >> >Apr 30 13:33:30 aphrodite squid[200]: Restarting Squid Cache (version >> >1.1.20)... >> >Apr 30 13:33:32 aphrodite squid[200]: Ready to serve requests. >> >Apr 30 13:59:36 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: device timeout 16 packets >> >Apr 30 13:59:36 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: can't stop TX DMA >> >Apr 30 22:38:34 aphrodite squid[200]: clientReadRequest: FD 51: (35) >> >Resource temporarily unavailable >> >Apr 30 23:22:24 aphrodite /kernel: Out of mbuf clusters - increase >> maxusers! >> >Apr 30 23:22:24 aphrodite /kernel: tx0: cannot allocate mbuf cluster >> > >> >I have maxusers set to 500 and it still runs out of mbuf clusters? >> > >> >It would be great if someone could shed some light on this problem >> > >> >Thanks in advance >> > > >I wonder, if you use only SMC8216, how does tx driver boot? >It supports only SMC9432TX (base on SMC83c17x chip). > >Else "tx0: can't stop TX DMA" may means that you have broken >card, or PCI bus speed is more than 33Mhz. (If only there is no bugs :-) > >I'm keeping looking. > >Try to enable EPIC_USE_IOSPACE option in if_tx.c, >it forces use outl instead of movl. > > > > Andrew Specht | System Administrator andrew@iaccess.com.au | Internet Access Australia +61 03 9686 6677 | Melbourne , Australia http://www.iaccess.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 18:24:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19726 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 18:24:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hermes.iaccess.com.au (hermes.iaccess.com.au [203.5.74.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19708 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 18:24:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@iaccess.com.au) Received: from gfunk ([203.5.74.212]) by hermes.iaccess.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA28611; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:24:55 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980503112429.006d3958@iaccess.com.au> X-Sender: andrew@iaccess.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 11:24:30 +1000 To: The Hermit Hacker , current@FreeBSD.ORG From: Andrew Subject: Re: Apache and -current kernel ... appears to work ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hmmmmm.. ok so that means i gotta get the latest ports collection then... Andrew At 05:57 PM 5/2/98 -0300, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > >I just CVSup'd down the latest kernel and installed it, including >installing apache-current and lynx-current (I'm building a new machine) >and just tested apache...it didn't die... > >Marc G. Fournier >Systems Administrator @ hub.org >primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > Andrew Specht | System Administrator andrew@iaccess.com.au | Internet Access Australia +61 03 9686 6677 | Melbourne , Australia http://www.iaccess.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 18:36:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22052 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 18:36:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22047 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 18:36:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08874; Sat, 2 May 1998 18:35:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Message-ID: <354BC9EA.BBB9E62F@san.rr.com> Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 18:35:38 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE-0426 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Wemm CC: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: bind-8 import References: <199805020248.KAA08192@spinner.netplex.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Wemm wrote: > At this stage, I'm planning on doing an import of src/contrib/bind and > updating all the bmake scaffolding (already done) to build named{-xfer}, > dig, host, nslookup etc. > > libc and the include files are 100% entirely seperate. They are being > left out for the time being. I agree completely, updating the resolver to > use IRS is not something to be rushed into. I'm not sure I even want to > at all, but there's bound to be lots more said on the subject. (In > particular, I want something that's extensible, so it should be possible > to support different resolvers beyond the base 3 (4? - hesiod) types that > are built into the library. Thank you for addressing my concerns. It certainly sounds like you've laid out a carefully considered plan. My initial reaction was due to your mentioning the conf file problem as the only significant element of the change. :) A fairly significant part of what I do is DNS on FreeBSD (and other platforms) so this is an issue near and dear to my heart. Regarding your proposed solution for the conf file, I would be vehemently opposed to moving the named binary out of /usr/sbin. I would much prefer something in /etc/rc.network that tests for the existence of a named.conf file and syslog's something if it doesn't find one. Note that I said syslog, not echo. Someone administering a system remotely won't see the echo's, so they won't do any good. I can think of several more elaborate solutions involving automatically creating a named.conf file if it doesn't find one, etc. Let me know if you're interested in that. While on one hand people running -current should be responsible for keeping track of the mailing lists, I imagine that we will want a solution in place for 3.0-Release, so it would be good to carve something out now while we can safely test the transition mechanism. I run -Stable personally for all of my stuff, however one of my boxes has -Stable + BIND 8, and I can set up BIND 8 on my machine at home if you'd like help testing/developing transition ideas. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud designer and maintainer of the world's largest Internet *** Relay Chat server with 5,328 simultaneous connections. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 18:56:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25562 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 18:56:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thelab.hub.org (tc-27.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25514 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 18:55:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id WAA09965; Sat, 2 May 1998 22:55:35 -0300 (ADT) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 22:55:35 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Andrew cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Apache and -current kernel ... appears to work ... In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980503112429.006d3958@iaccess.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 3 May 1998, Andrew wrote: > hmmmmm.. ok so that means i gotta get the latest ports collection then... I'm currently in the middle of doing a series of 'make world's, in order to do some load testing on a new PII, and so far as I'm able to tell, things as of this morning are looking great. Yup, just checked, and apache is still running... As for your comment about the 'latest ports collection'...I'm not sure how that will fix your problem...even with the newest -current, are you still having the apache problem? I only did apache-current because I didn't have an apache installed previously... Marc G. Fournier Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 19:27:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02956 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:27:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hermes.iaccess.com.au (hermes.iaccess.com.au [203.5.74.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02937 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:26:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@iaccess.com.au) Received: from gfunk (hustler@[203.5.74.212]) by hermes.iaccess.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA01055; Sun, 3 May 1998 12:27:02 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980503122633.0069b9b4@iaccess.com.au> X-Sender: andrew@iaccess.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 12:26:35 +1000 To: The Hermit Hacker From: Andrew Subject: Re: Apache and -current kernel ... appears to work ... Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG yep.. stil havin the same problem with apache-current. If the new kernel source solves my squid problems though, then i can do without apache and cachemgr.cgi :) thanks again Andrew At 10:55 PM 5/2/98 -0300, The Hermit Hacker wrote: >On Sun, 3 May 1998, Andrew wrote: > >> hmmmmm.. ok so that means i gotta get the latest ports collection then... > >I'm currently in the middle of doing a series of 'make world's, in order >to do some load testing on a new PII, and so far as I'm able to tell, >things as of this morning are looking great. > >Yup, just checked, and apache is still running... > >As for your comment about the 'latest ports collection'...I'm not sure how >that will fix your problem...even with the newest -current, are you still >having the apache problem? I only did apache-current because I didn't >have an apache installed previously... > >Marc G. Fournier >Systems Administrator @ hub.org >primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > > Andrew Specht | System Administrator andrew@iaccess.com.au | Internet Access Australia +61 03 9686 6677 | Melbourne , Australia http://www.iaccess.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 19:38:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05821 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:38:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA05766 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:37:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ggm@dstc.edu.au) Received: from dstc.edu.au (sleet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.45]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA31333; Sun, 3 May 1998 12:37:27 +1000 (EST) To: John Birrell cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: minor breakage in current for make world (gperf) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 02 May 1998 18:36:02 +1000." <199805020836.SAA08480@cimlogic.com.au> Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 12:37:26 +1000 Message-ID: <16607.894163046@dstc.edu.au> From: George Michaelson Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG header but linking against and old libc. If this is part of a make world, please let me know ASAP, because the bootstrap build might need fixing. It is. See susequent mail... -George -- George Michaelson | DSTC Pty Ltd Email: ggm@dstc.edu.au | University of Qld 4072 Phone: +61 7 3365 4310 | Australia Fax: +61 7 3365 4311 | http://www.dstc.edu.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 19:59:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10481 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:59:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA10452 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:58:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ggm@dstc.edu.au) Received: from dstc.edu.au (sleet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.45]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA20142; Sun, 3 May 1998 12:58:44 +1000 (EST) To: John Birrell cc: mcdougall@ameritech.net, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: minor breakage in current for make world (gperf) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 03 May 1998 07:25:18 +1000." <199805022125.HAA09843@cimlogic.com.au> Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 12:58:43 +1000 Message-ID: <16980.894164323@dstc.edu.au> From: George Michaelson Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As a test, would you mind editing src/Makefile and moving: @echo @echo "------------------------------------------------------------ @echo " Rebuilding bootstrap libraries" @echo "------------------------------------------------------------ cd ${.CURDIR} && ${BMAKE} bootstrap-libraries before @echo @echo "------------------------------------------------------------ @echo " Rebuilding tools needed to build the bootstrap libraries" @echo "------------------------------------------------------------ cd ${.CURDIR} && ${BMAKE} lib-tools The problem is that lib-tools wants to link things compiled against headers that don't match the libraries. I did this, and it fixed it fine. thanks. -George To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 20:17:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14176 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:17:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA14155 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:17:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00564; Sat, 2 May 1998 22:16:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199805030316.WAA00564@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Apache and -current kernel ... appears to work ... In-Reply-To: from The Hermit Hacker at "May 2, 98 10:55:35 pm" To: scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 22:16:51 -0500 (EST) Cc: andrew@iaccess.com.au, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sun, 3 May 1998, Andrew wrote: > > > hmmmmm.. ok so that means i gotta get the latest ports collection then... > > I'm currently in the middle of doing a series of 'make world's, in order > to do some load testing on a new PII, and so far as I'm able to tell, > things as of this morning are looking great. > > Yup, just checked, and apache is still running... > > As for your comment about the 'latest ports collection'...I'm not sure how > that will fix your problem...even with the newest -current, are you still > having the apache problem? I only did apache-current because I didn't > have an apache installed previously... > I know about one significant bug in the -current kernel, and I can reproduce it at will. It has been elusive so far, but should be a simple fix. I am relentlessly attacking it right now. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 20:55:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21274 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:55:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [209.47.148.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21257; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:54:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roddie@krweb.net) Received: from localhost (roddie@localhost) by hub.org (8.8.8/8.7.5) with SMTP id XAA08093; Sat, 2 May 1998 23:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 23:54:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Roddie Hasan X-Sender: roddie@hub.org To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: -current and Gimp .99.28. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Updated my sources, built a kernel and made world this morning, and now when I run Gimp .99.28,get the splash screen, then I get a blank tips dialog and toolbar and the following message: /home/roddie$ gimp gimp fatal error: sigbus caught [n]othing, [e]xit, [s]tack trace, [a]ttach to process: A Stack Trace produces the following: #0 0x20191bbf in ?? () #1 0x2019196b in ?? () #2 0x385b3 in ?? () #3 0x8596e in ?? () #4 #5 0x2012f9a6 in ?? () #6 0x2012d3b7 in ?? () #7 0x2012dfa9 in ?? () #8 0x2015ffe9 in ?? () #9 0x2013b411 in ?? () #10 0x20139a81 in ?? () #11 0x2015ded1 in ?? () #12 0x2011ab58 in ?? () #13 0x2011a8a7 in ?? () #14 0x2011a701 in ?? () #15 0x857d7 in ?? () #16 0x1099 in ?? () Suspended (signal) I have deinstalled and reinstalled both Gtk and The Gimp with no success. Any suggestions, or am I even alone? Thanks in advance....Roddie <>> Roddie Hasan - roddie@krweb.net - http://www.krweb.net/roddie <>> "Early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 21:19:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25898 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 21:19:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA25866 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 21:19:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id EAA03759; Sun, 3 May 1998 04:44:19 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805030244.EAA03759@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Infrared ? (a simple experiment for laptop owners...) To: trost@cloud.rain.com (Bill Trost) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 04:44:19 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4719.894134766@cloud.rain.com> from "Bill Trost" at May 2, 98 11:45:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > One concern I have (before getting into the nitty-gritty) is that > anything "we" do (and I might go dig up an IR transceiver for my desktop > just to help) be compatible with whatever else might be in use. Tekram to that purpose, there is only one answer and it is IrDA. > (www.tekram.com) makes an IPX IR bridge, and Mac laptops run AppleTalk > over their IrDA ports. I would expect the you might actually be able to > get something out of Apple about what their machines do. the IrDA specs are available, but the problem as somebody said (i haven't looked at the specs in full detail) is that IrDA takes a lot of code to implement. If i understand well what IrDA does, it implements a full MAC protocol plus probably logical device mux within each node. I don't have the time to read the docs and write a full implementation, that's why i was looking at a faster solution. [I don't even have the motivation, since i don't have any other IrDA-compliant stuff around, and my ppp server would be FreeBSD based] cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 21:20:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26194 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 21:20:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA26110 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 21:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id MAA02999 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 12:19:43 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199805030419.MAA02999@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: BIND 8 import done.. Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 12:19:41 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The contrib parts of bind8 have been imported. Once I can get through the cvsup bottleneck, the rest will follow soon. The named etc builds will be broken for an hour or so. Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 21:22:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26812 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 21:22:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA26795 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 21:22:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id EAA03769; Sun, 3 May 1998 04:45:27 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805030245.EAA03769@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Infrared ? (a simple experiment for laptop owners...) To: phk@critter.freebsd.dk (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 04:45:27 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: itojun@itojun.org, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9297.894130297@critter.freebsd.dk> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at May 2, 98 07:31:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >Example: one side (the 'client' ppp) acts as a master, the other one as > >a slave. The protocol is governed by the master, and the slave can only > >send a packet right after a pkt coming from the master. > > Stupid as it may sound, this kind of thing could help improve ethernet > response in certain client-server scenarioes. On the other hand, IP > isn't very well suited to half-duplex, and to get a decent performance > you probably need to flip though Tanenbaums book and see if you can > find some old stuff from Hawai to use... where do you think i got these ideas :) cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 22:34:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA09617 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 22:34:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iclub.nsu.ru (iclub.nsu.ru [193.124.222.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09590 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 22:34:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from semen@iclub.nsu.ru) Received: from localhost (semen@localhost) by iclub.nsu.ru (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA14914; Sun, 3 May 1998 12:37:39 +0700 (NSS) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 12:37:39 +0700 (NSS) From: Ustimenko Semen To: Andrew cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ethernet card Problems In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980503112053.006d23d0@iaccess.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 3 May 1998, Andrew wrote: > Thanks for that... I'll try it :) > What exactly will you try? > If there were no bugs, then we wouldn't have all this fun tryin to fix 'em :) > > {skipped} > > > > >I wonder, if you use only SMC8216, how does tx driver boot? > >It supports only SMC9432TX (base on SMC83c17x chip). What about this ^^^^ > >Else "tx0: can't stop TX DMA" may means that you have broken > >card, or PCI bus speed is more than 33Mhz. (If only there is no bugs :-) ... and this ^^^^? > >I'm keeping looking. > > > >Try to enable EPIC_USE_IOSPACE option in if_tx.c, > >it forces use outl instead of movl. I don't believe this can help :-(, simply this was last big thing i've changed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 22:36:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA09874 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 22:36:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09783; Sat, 2 May 1998 22:35:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA06287; Sun, 3 May 1998 15:31:21 +1000 Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 15:31:21 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199805030531.PAA06287@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: jb@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: errno change breaks old shared library linkage Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The errno changes break old binaries linked to the current libtermcap.so in the usual way: $ less~ /etc/passwd /sbin/ld.so: Undefined symbol "___error" called from less~:/lib/libtermcap.so.2.1 at 0x2002212c $ ldd `which less~` /usr/bde/bin/less~: -ltermcap.2 => /lib/libtermcap.so.2.1 (0x2001f000) -lgcc.261 => /usr/lib/compat/libgcc.so.261.0 (0x20023000) -lc.2 => /usr/lib/compat/libc.so.2.2 (0x20027000) An interface change like errno -> (*__error()) requires bumping the major numbers of all shared libraries that use the interface, although it doesn't necessarily require bumping even the minor number of the shared library that implements the interface. libtermcap was last broken by the issetugid() changes. The errno change probably affects more libraries and is harder to kludge around. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 22:53:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12732 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 22:53:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12716; Sat, 2 May 1998 22:53:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00528; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:53:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805030553.AAA00528@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: -current and Gimp .99.28. In-Reply-To: from Roddie Hasan at "May 2, 98 11:54:58 pm" To: roddie@krweb.net (Roddie Hasan) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 00:53:49 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Roddie Hasan said: > > Updated my sources, built a kernel and made world this morning, and now > when I run Gimp .99.28,get the splash screen, then I get a blank tips > dialog and toolbar and the following message: > Don't run the current kernel. Run a kernel as of 20-Apr. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 22:55:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12950 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 22:55:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12940 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 22:55:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00548 for current@freebsd.org; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:55:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805030555.AAA00548@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: The current kernel has a VM problem To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 00:55:36 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It is known that there is a kernel problem. Unless you have significant input as to what the bug is, no VM bug reports are needed right now. I am working on it right now. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 23:01:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13599 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 23:01:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [209.47.148.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13581; Sat, 2 May 1998 23:01:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roddie@krweb.net) Received: from localhost (roddie@localhost) by hub.org (8.8.8/8.7.5) with SMTP id CAA22569; Sun, 3 May 1998 02:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 02:01:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Roddie Hasan X-Sender: roddie@hub.org To: "John S. Dyson" cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current and Gimp .99.28. In-Reply-To: <199805030553.AAA00528@dyson.iquest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Updated my sources, built a kernel and made world this morning, and now > > when I run Gimp .99.28,get the splash screen, then I get a blank tips > > dialog and toolbar and the following message: > > > Don't run the current kernel. Run a kernel as of 20-Apr. I do have an older kernel backed up, but I hadn't compiled scanner support until the current build.. Figures.. :) Assuming it's a known problem, any idea when it'll be remedied? Roddie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat May 2 23:05:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA14121 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 23:05:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA14107; Sat, 2 May 1998 23:05:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA11651; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:06:27 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199805030606.QAA11651@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: errno change breaks old shared library linkage In-Reply-To: <199805030531.PAA06287@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from Bruce Evans at "May 3, 98 03:31:21 pm" To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 16:06:26 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bruce Evans wrote: > An interface change like errno -> (*__error()) requires bumping the > major numbers of all shared libraries that use the interface, although > it doesn't necessarily require bumping even the minor number of the > shared library that implements the interface. libtermcap was last > broken by the issetugid() changes. The errno change probably affects > more libraries and is harder to kludge around. You want me to bump _all_ major numbers that I can find?! The problem here is that shared libraries don't link against other shared libraries - only the program knows what shared libraries it is looking for. This means that it is always possible that an interface change will require a re-link of the programs. In this case, I don't think that's unreasonable since the example you gave was for lib major 2 and the interface change is in major 3. For a major OS release (from 2 -> 3) relinking third party programs is reasonable. We just need to make the libraries consistent. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun May 3 00:00:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA19462 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:00:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA19422; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:00:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA09383; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:58:01 +1000 Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 16:58:01 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199805030658.QAA09383@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, jb@cimlogic.com.au Subject: Re: errno change breaks old shared library linkage Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, jb@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> broken by the issetugid() changes. The errno change probably affects >> more libraries and is harder to kludge around. > >You want me to bump _all_ major numbers that I can find?! Or maybe not make the change. Many things still depend on the global `errno' existing and having the old semantics, beginning with libc itself (nice.c, Ovfork.S, ...), so the change doesn't actually work yet. >For a major OS release (from 2 -> 3) relinking third party programs >is reasonable. We just need to make the libraries consistent. It's not reasonable. It defeats the point of supporting old syscall interfaces (olseek() etc.) through really major OS releases. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message