From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jun 21 14:12:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00485 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:12:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00477 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:12:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA04141; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:12:53 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980622071250.39813@welearn.com.au> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:12:50 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Docs inadequate for the new breed? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org About twice a month I run into a newbie with no freebsd or unix experience who believes that freebsd-current is what they should be running in order to have the latest greatest version. More and more often I encounter people who believe they can improve their system by simply plugging in a kernel from a different version. Perhaps the warnings we give about these two errors were adequate in the old days, but are going right over the heads of the new breed of hand-held win95 and she'll-be-right Linux refugees? What do others think? Can we, or should we, make clearer warnings in more places? -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jun 21 16:21:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23815 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23776 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:21:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id QAA27214; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21943 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:10:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA04486; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:08:10 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199806212308.JAA04486@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:08:10 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Reply-To: sue@welearn.com.au To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/7012: Screen and Linux login Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 7012 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Screen and Linux login >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Jun 21 16:20:01 PDT 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Sue Blake >Organization: >Release: FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE i386 >Environment: >Description: Some people who don't use X report difficulty when telnetting to Linux machines where their default setup is VT100. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Suggested addition to FAQ: When I telnet to a Linux machine the screen doesn't redraw correctly. It sounds like you are set up for VT100 on the Linux system, and cons25 on the FreeBSD system, so they have different ideas of how to use the screen. If you only need the compatibility occasionally, there are two quick methods available: 1. Work from an xterm. 2. If X is unavailable, run 'screen' (install from the packages collection) before running telnet or ssh from the console. This will give you a temporary VT100 that remote Linux apps work very well with. To exit screen afterwards, simply type 'exit'. >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jun 21 17:12:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01343 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:12:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from server5.wans.net (server5.wans.net [208.205.34.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01309 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:12:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from MWANG@WANS.NET) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by server5.wans.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09845 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:12:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from usm-41-5.wans.net(208.205.41.21), claiming to be "marie-wang" via SMTP by server5.wans.net, id smtpdAAAa002Pn; Sun Jun 21 19:12:16 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980621191410.007956f0@wans.net> X-Sender: mwang@wans.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:14:10 -0700 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: "M. WANG" Subject: not able to create a slice for freeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am trying to install FreeBSD on my computer. I got the boot image disk made, try to install it, but when I asked to create a slice for FreeBSD (2,000M), the result is a size 0 slice. What did I do wrong? Thanks a lot. Marie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jun 21 19:09:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20060 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:09:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hwcn.org (ac199@james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20042 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:09:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by hwcn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA01027; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:03:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Sue Blake cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Docs inadequate for the new breed? In-Reply-To: <19980622071250.39813@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > Perhaps the warnings we give about these two errors were adequate > in the old days, but are going right over the heads of the new Ask most long-time -current subscribers, and I expect they'll tell you the warnings have never been adequate. That said, they seem to be doing better than they have in the past... -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 22 03:21:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA05745 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 03:21:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jkoshy@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA05680; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 03:20:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkoshy) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 03:20:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Koshy Message-Id: <199806221020.DAA05680@hub.freebsd.org> To: sue@welearn.com.au, jkoshy, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/7012 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Screen and Linux login State-Changed-From-To: open-closed State-Changed-By: jkoshy State-Changed-When: Mon Jun 22 03:16:55 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: I've added a new question on this topic to rev 1.4 of "troubleshoot.sgml" (part of the FAQ). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 22 06:36:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01471 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:36:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01397 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:36:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22075 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:35:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22889; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:35:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980622153504.A22820@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:35:04 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: fyi: Referring Site Report for www.freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FYI, the Referring Site Report for last sunday (21-Jun-1998) Listing the first 30 referring sites by the number of requests, sorted by the number of requests. #reqs: site -----: ---- 96980: http://www.freebsd.org/ 7783: http://www.freebsd.com/ 1755: http://freebsd.org/ 715: http://www.jp.freebsd.org/ 331: http://www.ticketweb.com/ 183: http://www.ivex.com/ 142: http://www.yahoo.com/ 131: http://www.freebsd.net/ 103: http://ftpsearch.ntnu.no/ 94: http://rc5stats.distributed.net/ 90: http://www.big.or.jp/ 85: http://realaudio.stanford.edu/ 83: http://www.infoseek.com/ 80: http://www.propel.ne.jp/ 79: http://www.vds-inc.com/ 65: http://www.cdrom.com/ 58: http://www.cal.com/ 56: http://search.yahoo.com/ 56: http://www.uk.freebsd.org/ 52: http://www.au.freebsd.org/ 52: http://www.twistedpair.net/ 50: http://www.ail.co.jp/ 47: http://www.ribb.com/ 40: http://www.ru.freebsd.org/ 38: http://www.usenet2.org/ 38: http://www.geocities.com/ 35: http://www6.freebsd.org/ 34: http://altavista.digital.com/ 32: http://206.196.126.179/ 30: http://nlg3.csie.ntu.edu.tw/ 2588: [not listed: 950 sites] -- Wolfram Schneider http://freebsd.org/~w/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 22 20:00:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10677 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:00:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ds1.gl.umbc.edu (ds1-fe2.gl.umbc.edu [130.85.60.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10660 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 20:00:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikeb@gl.umbc.edu) Received: from umbc9.umbc.edu (mikeb@umbc9.umbc.edu [130.85.3.12]) by ds1.gl.umbc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA06558 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mikeb@localhost) by umbc9.umbc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA01685 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:59:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: umbc9.umbc.edu: mikeb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:59:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Myche'jae-Bel" X-Sender: mikeb@umbc9.umbc.edu To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Poor PPP installation documentation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm not very pleased with the online docs for installing over PPP. I've used PPP at home with Linux for months now, and no matter what I fill in for those fields in FreeBSD's network configuration screen, it doesn't work (I get an error about not being able to set the local IP address). When I tried looking at your online docs, they all refer to setting up PPP after you already have the base system installed, not that goofy net setup screen. Is there someone I can talk to that can help? I can tell you everything I have in my /etc/resolv.conf and chatscripts for Linux. I'm attempting a DOS partition install after FTP'ing the bin and manpage pieces to a local disk, but I'm not sure I'll be able to get PPP working after that. ======================================== http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mikeb = Mike J. Bell \_O The above are my opinions. UMBC Alumnus _/\_ finger mikeb@gl.umbc.edu for my mikeb@gl.umbc.edu / \_ PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 23 00:50:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14062 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:50:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from agamemnon.heutronic.ch ([194.230.51.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14033 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 00:50:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from raffi@heutronic.ch) Received: from agamemnon - 194.230.51.200 by agamemnon.heutronic.ch with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1774.114.11); Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:50:06 +0200 Message-ID: <00a801bd9e7b$89b94b70$c833e6c2@agamemnon.heutronic.ch> From: "Raphael Andres" To: Subject: join Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:50:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org join raffi@heutronic.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 23 03:02:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA09333 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 03:02:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) From: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from grom.mw.mil.pl (grom.mw.mil.pl [153.19.99.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA09187 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 03:01:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from piotrp@grom.mw.mil.pl) Received: (from piotrp@localhost) by grom.mw.mil.pl (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA23290; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:02:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from piotrp) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:02:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199806231002.MAA23290@grom.mw.mil.pl> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-URL: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.7.2 Subject: file://localhost/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook.html Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 23 05:39:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04388 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 05:39:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.conex.com.br (ns.conex.com.br [200.248.100.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04328 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 05:39:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from webmaster@ns.conex.com.br) Received: (from webmaster@localhost) by ns.conex.com.br (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA15053 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:40:04 -0300 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:40:04 -0300 Message-Id: <199806231240.JAA15053@ns.conex.com.br> From: Filipi Damasceno Vianna To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: filipi@conex.com.br Subject: Free BSD HandBook X-Mail-Gateway: Webmail Manager Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If is it possible, I would like to receive one copy of the Free BSD Handbook, PDF file or in HTML. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 23 07:32:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23600 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:32:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Gambit.Msk.SU (gambit.msk.su [194.190.206.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23454 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 07:31:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from laskavy@Gambit.Msk.SU) Received: (from laskavy@localhost) by Gambit.Msk.SU (6.7/8.9.0) id SAA11822; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:30:07 +0400 (MSD) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:30:07 +0400 (MSD) From: Sergei Laskavy Message-Id: <199806231430.SAA11822@Gambit.Msk.SU> To: filipi@conex.com.br, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD HandBook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/docs Check here ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 23 12:44:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21998 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:44:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from po1.synapse.or.jp (po1.synapse.or.jp [202.208.174.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21948 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:44:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomotaka@po.synapse.or.jp) Received: from tp535 (pri0279.kgo.synapse.or.jp [202.208.176.207]) by po1.synapse.or.jp (8.8.8+2.7Wbeta7/3.6W-synapse-po1) with SMTP id EAA05976 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 04:43:57 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <000401bd9edf$24151920$cfb0d0ca@tp535> From: "Takuro Onoue" To: Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?RnJlZUJTRHBvcnRzGyRCJE4bKEIyLjIuMRskQiQrJGkkTiUiGyhC?= =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJUMlVyUwJWwhPCVJJEskRCQkJEYbKEI=?= Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 04:42:08 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD ports http://www.jp.freebsd.org/www.freebsd.org/ja_JP.EUC/ports/index.html $B$N$J$+$K!"(B $B$b$7$"$J$?$,(B 2.2.1-release $B$N%f!<%6$J$i(B, 2.2.1 $B$+$i(B 2.2-stable $B$X$N%"%C%W%0(B $B%l!<%I%-%C%H(B $B$r%$%s%9%H!<%k$7$F$/$@$5$$(B. $B$H$$$&5-=R$,$"$j!"$=$N%U%!%$%k$r%@%&%s%m!<%I$7$F$-$F!"(B $B%"%C%W%0%l!<%I$7$h$&$H$7$?$N$G$9$,!"(Bgzip$B$N%P!<%8%g%s$,0c$&$H$$$&(B $B%a%C%;!<%8$,=P$F!"2rE`$9$k$3$H$,$G$-$^$;$s!#(B $B$*$=$i$/!"#2!%#2!%#10J9_$N%P!<%8%g%s$N(Bgzip$B$J$i2rE`$G$-$k$N$G$7$g$&$,!"(B $B;d$O#2!%#2!%#1(Brelease$B$r$D$+$C$F$^$9$+$i!"%"%C%W%0%l!<%I$7$h$&$H(B $B$*$b$C$F$$$k$N$G$9!#(B $B$3$l$G$O%"%C%W%0%l!<%I$G$-$^$;$s!#(B $B$I$&$7$?$i$h$$$N$G$7$g$&$+!)(B $B%Q%C%1!<%8$r8+$F$b!"(Bgzip$B$O$_$D$+$j$^$;$s$7!"$*e$2$G$9!#(B $B;d$@$1$G$J$/!"B?$/$N#2!%#2!%#1%f!<%6!<$,:$$C$F$$$k$N$G$O$J$$$+$H(B $B;W$$$^$9!#(B $BBP=hJ}K!$r$*65$($$$?$@$1$l$P9,$$$G$9!#(B $B!y(B $B!y(B $B"$(B $B"$"$(B $B"$(B $B"$"$(B GodBlessYou! $B"$(B $B"$"%"$(B http://www.synapse.or.jp/~tomotaka/ $B"$(B $B"%(B $B"$(B ICQ 6937417 $B"$(B $B"%(B $B"$(B VERTEX$B!J%t%!!<%F%C%/%9!K(B $BHx%N>eBnO/(B To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 23 20:57:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17340 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:57:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cm.com.cn ([202.96.174.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA17287 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:56:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from xgz@cm.com.cn) Message-Id: <199806240356.UAA17287@hub.freebsd.org> Received: from GEORGE [192.168.101.52] by cm.com.cn [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP0.R) for ; Wed, 24 Jun 98 11:43:33 +0100 From: "XuGuangZhi" To: Subject: Please send FreeBSD handbook to me by email! Thank you very much! Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:59:30 +0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=HZ-GB-2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 24 07:55:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA16859 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:55:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA16693 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:54:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11772; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:50:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10522; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:50:19 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:50:18 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: New home page design Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/w/bsd.html The page based on ideas from malartre and John Fieber. I don't know if we need the 'Getting FreeBSD', FAQ and handbook buttons. Comments? Wolfram -- Wolfram Schneider http://freebsd.org/~w/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 24 10:21:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14695 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:21:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14547 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:20:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id KAA17050; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13586; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:14:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <199806241714.KAA13586@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:14:46 -0700 (PDT) From: malachai@iname.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/7049: Font tutorial on www.freebsd.org is technically incorrect with respect to TrueType fonts under X Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 7049 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Font tutorial on www.freebsd.org is technically incorrect with respect to TrueType fonts under X >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Jun 24 10:20:01 PDT 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Shawn Halpenny >Organization: >Release: >Environment: >Description: URL:http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/fonts/fonts.html#ch-8 has become incorrect. Currently, there are a couple X font servers for TrueType fonts. They may be beta, but for new users considering FreeBSD and concerned about TrueType font availability some clarification and pointers might be welcome. See URL:http://www.freetype.org/projects.htm for details and URLs. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 24 11:01:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23681 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:01:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Gambit.Msk.SU (gambit.msk.su [194.190.206.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23523 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:00:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from laskavy@Gambit.Msk.SU) Received: (from laskavy@localhost) by Gambit.Msk.SU (6.7/8.9.0) id WAA16862; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:00:20 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <19980624220019.B16829@gambit.msk.su> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:00:19 +0400 From: Sergei Laskavy To: Wolfram Schneider , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New home page design References: <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de>; from Wolfram Schneider on Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 04:50:18PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 04:50:18PM +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/w/bsd.html > The page based on ideas from malartre and John Fieber. > > I don't know if we need the 'Getting FreeBSD', FAQ and handbook > buttons. Comments? This page looks a bit strange in Lynx. Its a good idea to put somewhere a readmap, but... maybe, at the end of page? Sergei Laskavy, UNIX (FreeBSD, Solaris), Emacs, VIM support. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 24 11:18:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27211 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:18:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27002 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:18:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01582; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:13:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21235; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:13:39 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980624201339.A21088@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:13:39 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Sergei Laskavy , Wolfram Schneider , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New home page design References: <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <19980624220019.B16829@gambit.msk.su> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <19980624220019.B16829@gambit.msk.su>; from Sergei Laskavy on Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 10:00:19PM +0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1998-06-24 22:00:19 +0400, Sergei Laskavy wrote: > > http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/w/bsd.html > > The page based on ideas from malartre and John Fieber. > > > > I don't know if we need the 'Getting FreeBSD', FAQ and handbook > > buttons. Comments? > > This page looks a bit strange in Lynx. I like it - this is a matter of taste. > Its a good idea to put somewhere a > readmap, but... maybe, at the end of page? I don't think this is possible. You must switch the table columns and put the readmap at the right site. -- Wolfram Schneider http://freebsd.org/~w/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 24 12:03:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07062 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:03:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Gambit.Msk.SU (gambit.msk.su [194.190.206.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06890 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:02:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from laskavy@Gambit.Msk.SU) Received: (from laskavy@localhost) by Gambit.Msk.SU (6.7/8.9.0) id XAA16961; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:02:03 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <19980624230202.A16949@gambit.msk.su> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:02:02 +0400 From: Sergei Laskavy To: Wolfram Schneider , Sergei Laskavy , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New home page design References: <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <19980624220019.B16829@gambit.msk.su> <19980624201339.A21088@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19980624201339.A21088@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de>; from Wolfram Schneider on Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 08:13:39PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 08:13:39PM +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > On 1998-06-24 22:00:19 +0400, Sergei Laskavy wrote: > > This page looks a bit strange in Lynx. > > I like it - this is a matter of taste. > > > Its a good idea to put somewhere a > > readmap, but... maybe, at the end of page? > > I don't think this is possible. You must switch the table > columns and put the readmap at the right site. In Lynx everything that is in the left column is at the top of the page, and answer to "What is FreeBSD?" is at the bottom. Maybe, it is good idea to swap that columns. Another thing is: http://validator.w3.org/ won't parse main page as HTML 4.0. Check this: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freebsd.org%2F%7Ewosch%2Fw%2Fbsd.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 24 12:22:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10221 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:22:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10111 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:22:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA15333; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 05:21:27 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980625052123.12105@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 05:21:23 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Wolfram Schneider Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New home page design References: <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de>; from Wolfram Schneider on Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 04:50:18PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 04:50:18PM +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/w/bsd.html > The page based on ideas from malartre and John Fieber. > > I don't know if we need the 'Getting FreeBSD', FAQ and handbook > buttons. Comments? I think they're handy... if I'm seeing what you're referring to. It's good to have all those links on the first page. I have observed a few difficulties though: The list box for the countries appears half way down the main body of text, obscuring part of the paragraph which comes before "Easy to install" The links on the left might be easier to read of they had bullets or some kind of separator. For example, it's hard to get the meaning when I see: ... Getting FreeBSD Installation Supported Hardware Current Releases Ported Applications Commercial Documents ... My browser seems to have been prevented from displaying this page optimally. All the text is bunched up on the left, and the entire right half of the browser window is glaring white space. The old page did not cause this to happen. On another machine, I can only see the column on the left and half of each line of text on the right unless I keep scrolling left and right. Again, this did not happen with the old page. We have discussed the cause and its simple solution a million times. Content is *the* most important consideration (and it's good), however we are supposed to be an organisation that has slightly higher than average technical competence. I'm not attracted to an operating system written by someone who doesn't appear to have overcome the beginner's misconception that HTML controls screen layout. Unless you provide me with the hardware that the page was designed for, you have no way of knowing what my screen can do or how my browser has been configured to display HTML. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 24 15:37:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18027 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:37:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.atipa.com (altrox.atipa.com [208.128.22.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA17965 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:36:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail 19405 invoked by uid 1017); 24 Jun 1998 21:33:43 -0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:33:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Atipa To: Sue Blake cc: Wolfram Schneider , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New home page design In-Reply-To: <19980625052123.12105@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There should not be a "Hardware" section under "Software", but otherwise it looks pretty good. Kevin On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 04:50:18PM +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/w/bsd.html > > The page based on ideas from malartre and John Fieber. > > > > I don't know if we need the 'Getting FreeBSD', FAQ and handbook > > buttons. Comments? > > I think they're handy... if I'm seeing what you're referring to. > It's good to have all those links on the first page. I have observed a > few difficulties though: > > The list box for the countries appears half way down the main body of > text, obscuring part of the paragraph which comes before "Easy to install" > > The links on the left might be easier to read of they had bullets or some > kind of separator. For example, it's hard to get the meaning when I see: > > ... > Getting > FreeBSD > Installation > Supported > Hardware > Current Releases > Ported > Applications > Commercial > Documents > ... > > My browser seems to have been prevented from displaying this page > optimally. All the text is bunched up on the left, and the entire right > half of the browser window is glaring white space. The old page did not > cause this to happen. > > On another machine, I can only see the column on the left and half of > each line of text on the right unless I keep scrolling left and right. > Again, this did not happen with the old page. > > We have discussed the cause and its simple solution a million times. > > Content is *the* most important consideration (and it's good), however we > are supposed to be an organisation that has slightly higher than average > technical competence. I'm not attracted to an operating system written by > someone who doesn't appear to have overcome the beginner's misconception > that HTML controls screen layout. Unless you provide me with the hardware > that the page was designed for, you have no way of knowing what my screen > can do or how my browser has been configured to display HTML. > > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 24 16:53:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00493 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:53:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00318 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:52:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (aeiusrE-25.aei.ca [206.186.204.225]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00226; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359190DD.9EFC0AE5@aei.ca> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:50:53 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake CC: Wolfram Schneider , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New home page design References: <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <19980625052123.12105@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 04:50:18PM +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/w/bsd.html > > The page based on ideas from malartre and John Fieber. > > > > I don't know if we need the 'Getting FreeBSD', FAQ and handbook > > buttons. Comments? > > I think they're handy... if I'm seeing what you're referring to. > It's good to have all those links on the first page. I have observed a > few difficulties though: > > The list box for the countries appears half way down the main body of > text, obscuring part of the paragraph which comes before "Easy to install" > > The links on the left might be easier to read of they had bullets or some > kind of separator. For example, it's hard to get the meaning when I see: > > ... > Getting > FreeBSD > Installation > Supported > Hardware > Current Releases > Ported > Applications > Commercial > Documents > ... > > My browser seems to have been prevented from displaying this page > optimally. All the text is bunched up on the left, and the entire right > half of the browser window is glaring white space. The old page did not > cause this to happen. > > On another machine, I can only see the column on the left and half of > each line of text on the right unless I keep scrolling left and right. > Again, this did not happen with the old page. > > We have discussed the cause and its simple solution a million times. > > Content is *the* most important consideration (and it's good), however we > are supposed to be an organisation that has slightly higher than average > technical competence. I'm not attracted to an operating system written by > someone who doesn't appear to have overcome the beginner's misconception > that HTML controls screen layout. Unless you provide me with the hardware > that the page was designed for, you have no way of knowing what my screen > can do or how my browser has been configured to display HTML. > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > I think that my and your version is broken. I really understand the point of Sue now. After a lot of mail ;-) There is many thing I could explain on why FreeBSD.ORG should never use something like that. I propose a new solution. No right and left table. No text on the first page. Except for news. The ¾ of the FreeBSD.ORG main page is text for new user. But I think than that text have nothing to do on the first page. *Maybe* a little text like on the current linux.org site who explain very basic line of the product. (check "What is Linux" on the main page, also the "more" button). I dont like the linux.org page to :-). If new users wants information, they should click on that little text or on a "New User FAQ" or a "You want to know what FreeBSD is?" button. Or a complete New User section. All the FreeBSD.ORG main page should be link and news. Like the digital.com page but without java and so much graphics. And with more links. I dont think FreeBSD.ORG is consulted by a majority of people who dont know FreeBSD, but by FreeBSD user who need something from the FreeBSD page. Of course, there would be a major link for new user or people who want to know more. A more simple page and a concise/global view. Maybe even classified like the yahoo! page. Yahoo! rules :-) Cya Malartre -- -------------------------------------- malartre@aei.ca ICQ #4224434 www.aei.ca/~malartre/ FreeBSD-2.2.6 -------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 24 19:31:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25581 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:31:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.2.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA25475 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 19:30:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (narn-1-10.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.134.10]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.9.0) id VAA18865; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:30:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from fpawlak@localhost) by darkstar.connect.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id VAA14802; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:30:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Frank Pawlak" Message-Id: <980625023007.ZM14799@darkstar.connect.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 02:30:07 +0000 In-Reply-To: Malartre "Re: New home page design" (Jun 24, 7:50pm) References: <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <19980625052123.12105@welearn.com.au> <359190DD.9EFC0AE5@aei.ca> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: Malartre , Sue Blake Subject: Re: New home page design Cc: Wolfram Schneider , doc@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id TAA25492 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Jun 24, 7:50pm, Malartre wrote: > Subject: Re: New home page design > Sue Blake wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 04:50:18PM +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > > http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/w/bsd.html > > > The page based on ideas from malartre and John Fieber. > > > > > > I don't know if we need the 'Getting FreeBSD', FAQ and handbook > > > buttons. Comments? > > > > I think they're handy... if I'm seeing what you're referring to. > > It's good to have all those links on the first page. I have observed a > > few difficulties though: > > > > The list box for the countries appears half way down the main body of > > text, obscuring part of the paragraph which comes before "Easy to install" > > > > The links on the left might be easier to read of they had bullets or some > > kind of separator. For example, it's hard to get the meaning when I see: > > > > ... > > Getting > > FreeBSD > > Installation > > Supported > > Hardware > > Current Releases > > Ported > > Applications > > Commercial > > Documents > > ... > > > > My browser seems to have been prevented from displaying this page > > optimally. All the text is bunched up on the left, and the entire right > > half of the browser window is glaring white space. The old page did not > > cause this to happen. > > > > On another machine, I can only see the column on the left and half of > > each line of text on the right unless I keep scrolling left and right. > > Again, this did not happen with the old page. > > > > We have discussed the cause and its simple solution a million times. > > > > Content is *the* most important consideration (and it's good), however we > > are supposed to be an organisation that has slightly higher than average > > technical competence. I'm not attracted to an operating system written by > > someone who doesn't appear to have overcome the beginner's misconception > > that HTML controls screen layout. Unless you provide me with the hardware > > that the page was designed for, you have no way of knowing what my screen > > can do or how my browser has been configured to display HTML. > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > -*Sue*- > > > I think that my and your version is broken. I really understand the > point of Sue now. After a lot of mail ;-) There is many thing I could > explain on why FreeBSD.ORG should never use something like that. > I propose a new solution. > No right and left table. No text on the first page. Except for news. > The ¾ of the FreeBSD.ORG main page is text for new user. But I think > than that text have nothing to do on the first page. *Maybe* a little > text like on the current linux.org site who explain very basic line of > the product. (check "What is Linux" on the main page, also the "more" > button). I dont like the linux.org page to :-). Just as I was going to recommend that the linux.org page was a great example of a well designed web page, along comes a critic. That's what makes this world so interesting, thes various individual tastes in things aesthetic. I think that linux.org has the right blend of color, text and buttons. The page is very easy to navigate and locate what ever you want to know about Linux. I think that would be a good page to emulate. Can well do without all the penguins on the backdrop however. Even having that much of the BSD Daemon is a bit much. Frank >If new users wants > information, they should click on that little text or on a "New User > FAQ" or a "You want to know what FreeBSD is?" button. Or a complete New > User section. > All the FreeBSD.ORG main page should be link and news. Like the > digital.com page but without java and so much graphics. And with more > links. I dont think FreeBSD.ORG is consulted by a majority of people who > dont know FreeBSD, but by FreeBSD user who need something from the > FreeBSD page. Of course, there would be a major link for new user or > people who want to know more. > > A more simple page and a concise/global view. Maybe even classified like > the yahoo! page. Yahoo! rules :-) > > Cya > Malartre > -- > -------------------------------------- > malartre@aei.ca ICQ #4224434 > www.aei.ca/~malartre/ FreeBSD-2.2.6 > -------------------------------------- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message >-- End of excerpt from Malartre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 24 20:05:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00402 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:05:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA00382 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:04:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@aeiusrE-25.aei.ca [206.186.204.225]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA17859; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3591BDDC.259D4E11@aei.ca> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:02:52 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Pawlak CC: Sue Blake , Wolfram Schneider , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New home page design References: <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <19980625052123.12105@welearn.com.au> <359190DD.9EFC0AE5@aei.ca> <980625023007.ZM14799@darkstar.connect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Frank Pawlak wrote: > > On Jun 24, 7:50pm, Malartre wrote: > > Subject: Re: New home page design > > Sue Blake wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 04:50:18PM +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/w/bsd.html > > > > The page based on ideas from malartre and John Fieber. > > > > > > > > I don't know if we need the 'Getting FreeBSD', FAQ and handbook > > > > buttons. Comments? > > > > > > I think they're handy... if I'm seeing what you're referring to. > > > It's good to have all those links on the first page. I have observed a > > > few difficulties though: > > > > > > The list box for the countries appears half way down the main body of > > > text, obscuring part of the paragraph which comes before "Easy to install" > > > > > > The links on the left might be easier to read of they had bullets or some > > > kind of separator. For example, it's hard to get the meaning when I see: > > > > > > ... > > > Getting > > > FreeBSD > > > Installation > > > Supported > > > Hardware > > > Current Releases > > > Ported > > > Applications > > > Commercial > > > Documents > > > ... > > > > > > My browser seems to have been prevented from displaying this page > > > optimally. All the text is bunched up on the left, and the entire right > > > half of the browser window is glaring white space. The old page did not > > > cause this to happen. > > > > > > On another machine, I can only see the column on the left and half of > > > each line of text on the right unless I keep scrolling left and right. > > > Again, this did not happen with the old page. > > > > > > We have discussed the cause and its simple solution a million times. > > > > > > Content is *the* most important consideration (and it's good), however we > > > are supposed to be an organisation that has slightly higher than average > > > technical competence. I'm not attracted to an operating system written by > > > someone who doesn't appear to have overcome the beginner's misconception > > > that HTML controls screen layout. Unless you provide me with the hardware > > > that the page was designed for, you have no way of knowing what my screen > > > can do or how my browser has been configured to display HTML. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Regards, > > > -*Sue*- > > > > > I think that my and your version is broken. I really understand the > > point of Sue now. After a lot of mail ;-) There is many thing I could > > explain on why FreeBSD.ORG should never use something like that. > > I propose a new solution. > > No right and left table. No text on the first page. Except for news. > > The ¾ of the FreeBSD.ORG main page is text for new user. But I think > > than that text have nothing to do on the first page. *Maybe* a little > > text like on the current linux.org site who explain very basic line of > > the product. (check "What is Linux" on the main page, also the "more" > > button). I dont like the linux.org page to :-). > > Just as I was going to recommend that the linux.org page was a great example of > a well designed web page, along comes a critic. That's what makes this world > so interesting, thes various individual tastes in things aesthetic. I think > that linux.org has the right blend of color, text and buttons. The page is > very easy to navigate and locate what ever you want to know about Linux. > > I think that would be a good page to emulate. Can well do without all the > penguins on the backdrop however. Even having that much of the BSD Daemon is a > bit much. > > Frank > Sure, linux.org is easy to navigate. But this is not my favorite model. You are true when you say than there is different taste. Maybe it's only the color they choose who make me feel so down ;-) But I don't think it's a solution, it's a part of a solution. Take the best from that page, mix that with other page. In fact, BSDi was like http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/w/bsd.html some week ago. Same left and right side. I love really more the new way to navigate the new site. (www.bsdi.com) A must to see! Malartre -- -------------------------------------- malartre@aei.ca ICQ #4224434 www.aei.ca/~malartre/ FreeBSD-2.2.6 -------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 24 20:25:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03175 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:25:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA03168 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:25:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from SamAlucho@aol.com) From: SamAlucho@aol.com Received: from SamAlucho@aol.com by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id HCPQa26166 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:24:30 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:24:30 EDT To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Wondering? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am new to computer jargon and was wondering what the heck free bsd is .is it a ISP, or a browser, or a database? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 24 22:19:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA20607 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:19:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hwcn.org (ac199@james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA20602 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:19:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by hwcn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA17753; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:12:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Malartre cc: Sue Blake , Wolfram Schneider , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New home page design In-Reply-To: <359190DD.9EFC0AE5@aei.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Malartre wrote: > links. I dont think FreeBSD.ORG is consulted by a majority of people who > dont know FreeBSD, but by FreeBSD user who need something from the > FreeBSD page. Of course, there would be a major link for new user or > people who want to know more. Obviously those few new users are the really important ones, though... As far as the regular FreeBSD users, what they need most is stability. It used to be that I had the link-numbers (using Lynx) memorized to get from the home-page to the -list search engine. Also from the regular-user perspective, it would be nice if the list of links you provide were to fit onto one page in Lynx w/ a standard 25 line screen. -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 25 00:29:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA12390 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:29:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA12381; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:29:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@FreeBSD.org) From: Poul-Henning Kamp Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id AAA19054; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806250729.AAA19054@freefall.freebsd.org> To: malachai@iname.com, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/7049 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Font tutorial on www.freebsd.org is technically incorrect with respect to TrueType fonts under X State-Changed-From-To: open-suspended State-Changed-By: phk State-Changed-When: Thu Jun 25 00:28:51 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: awaiting writer & committer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 25 02:03:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA25909 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 02:03:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA25870 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 02:03:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02854; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:01:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15246; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:01:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980625110143.D14860@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:01:43 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Malartre , Frank Pawlak Cc: Sue Blake , Wolfram Schneider , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New home page design References: <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <19980625052123.12105@welearn.com.au> <359190DD.9EFC0AE5@aei.ca> <980625023007.ZM14799@darkstar.connect.com> <3591BDDC.259D4E11@aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <3591BDDC.259D4E11@aei.ca>; from Malartre on Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 11:02:52PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1998-06-24 23:02:52 -0400, Malartre wrote: > In fact, BSDi was like http://www.freebsd.org/~wosch/w/bsd.html some > week ago. Same left and right side. I love really more the new way to > navigate the new site. (www.bsdi.com) A must to see! The new BSDI design has serveral disadvantages: - you cannot print the site navigator - you cannot use the site navigator on mirror sites - a site navigator may not work for all browser, e.g. lynx always ask for a redirection post confirmation -- Wolfram Schneider http://freebsd.org/~w/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 25 02:23:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA29275 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 02:23:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA29210 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 02:22:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03527; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:13:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15717; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:13:20 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980625111319.E14860@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:13:19 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Atipa , Sue Blake Cc: Wolfram Schneider , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New home page design References: <19980625052123.12105@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: ; from Atipa on Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 03:33:43PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1998-06-24 15:33:43 -0600, Atipa wrote: > There should not be a "Hardware" section under "Software", but otherwise > it looks pretty good. Read it as 'our software support hardware from vendor xyz' ;-) The section name 'software' is an abbreviation for 'how to install FreeBSD and other tools on your computer' -- Wolfram Schneider http://freebsd.org/~w/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 25 03:44:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA09918 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 03:44:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA09901; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 03:44:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) From: Joseph Koshy Received: (from jkoshy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id DAA21323; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 03:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 03:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806251043.DAA21323@freefall.freebsd.org> To: imdave@synet.net Subject: Please review; fonts tutorial changes Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, The following changes attempt to make the fonts tutorial upto-date wrt TrueType support ... if the text looks okay, I'll commit the changes in a day or two. PR: docs/7049 Regards, Koshy Index: fonts.docb =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/www/data/tutorials/fonts/fonts.docb,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 fonts.docb --- fonts.docb 1997/02/15 18:02:20 1.1 +++ fonts.docb 1998/06/25 10:34:47 @@ -632,28 +632,61 @@ Can TrueType fonts be used? -The TrueType font format is used by Windows, Windows 95, -Mac's,&hellip It is quite popular and there are a great number of -fonts available in this format. Unfortunately, there are only two -applications that I am aware of that can use this format: Ghostscript -and povray. Ghostscript's support, according to the documentation, -is rudimentary and the results are likely to be inferior to type 1 -fonts. +The TrueType font format is used by Windows, Windows 95, and +Mac's. It is quite popular and there are a great number of +fonts available in this format. -However, groff would need a font description file, and I know -of no tools to construct the metrics from a TrueType font. In -addition, the font would have to be down loaded to postscript -printers in the appropriate format, and again, groff cannot handle -TrueType fonts in this fashion. +Unfortunately, there are few applications that I am aware of +that can use this format: Ghostscript and Povray come to mind. +Ghostscript's support, according to the documentation, is rudimentary +and the results are likely to be inferior to type 1 fonts. +Povray version 3 also has the ability to use TrueType fonts, but +I rather doubt many people will be creating documents as a series of +raytraced pages :-). -X11 has no support for TrueType fonts that I am aware -of. +Using TrueType with groff is difficult because groff would +need a font description file, and I know of no tools to construct +the metrics from a TrueType font. In addition, the font would have to +be downloaded to postscript printers in the appropriate format, +and again, groff cannot handle TrueType fonts in this fashion. -The only program that I know of that has the ability to use -TrueType fonts is povray version 3, but I rather doubt many people -will be creating documents as a series of raytraced pages! -:-) - +This rather dismal situation may soon change. +The FreeType Project +is currently developing a useful set of FreeType tools: + + +The xfsft font server for X11 can serve +TrueType fonts in addition to the regular fonts. Though currently in +beta, it is said to be ready for general use. See Juliusz +Chroboczek's page for further information. Porting instructions +for FreeBSD can be found at Stephen Montgomery's +software page. + + + +xfstt is another font +server for X11, available under +ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/X11/fonts. + + +A program called ttf2bdf can produce +BDF files suitable for use by X server from TrueType files. Linux +binaries are said to be available from ftp://crl.nmsu.edu/CLR/multiling/General/. + + + +and others … + + + + +Information about these and other free TrueType projects can be found at +http://www.freetype.org/projects.htm. + To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 25 07:30:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA16063 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:30:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15961 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:30:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id HAA25991; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA14864 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:23:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id QAA18470 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:19:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from seggers@localhost) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23503; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:23:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers) Message-Id: <199806251223.OAA23503@semyam.dinoco.de> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:23:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Stefan Eggers Reply-To: seggers@semyam.dinoco.de To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: seggers@semyam.dinoco.de X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/7064: pkg_* man pages are incomplete regarding env variables Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 7064 >Category: docs >Synopsis: pkg_* man pages are incomplete regarding env variables >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jun 25 07:30:01 PDT 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Stefan Eggers >Organization: none >Release: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386 >Environment: 2.2-stable CVSUped around June, 20th 1998 >Description: The environment variables and directories used for temporary files are insufficiently documented. >How-To-Repeat: As mentioned often before with this type of bugs: Just read the man page. :-) >Fix: I made three diffs to the man pages. They are: --- add/pkg_add.1.ORIG Sat Oct 18 07:55:12 1997 +++ add/pkg_add.1 Thu Jun 25 14:04:59 1998 @@ -198,7 +198,11 @@ .Sh TECHNICAL DETAILS .Nm Pkg_add is fairly simple. It extracts each package's "packing list" -into a special staging directory in /tmp (or $PKG_TMPDIR if set), parses it, +into a special staging directory determined by the environment variables +.Ev PKG_TMPDIR +and +.Ev TMPDIR , +parses it, and then runs through the following sequence to fully extract the contents: .Bl -enum -indent indent .It @@ -334,6 +338,28 @@ consists of a directory name. The current directory may be indicated implicitly by an empty directory name, or explicitly by a single period. +.Pp +.Ev PKG_TMPDIR +points to the directory where pkg_add creates temporary files. +.Ev TMPDIR +gets used if +.Ev PKG_TMPDIR +is not set. If both are unset built in defaults are used. +.Sh FILES +.Bl -tag -width /usr/tmp -compact +.It Pa /var/tmp +Used if +.Ev PKG_TMPDIR +and +.Ev TMPDIR +are either not set or the directories have insufficient space left. +.It Pa /tmp +The next choice if /var/tmp either does not exist or has insufficent +space left. +.It Pa /usr/tmp +The last choice. Used if /tmp either does not exist or has +insufficent space left. +.El .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr pkg_create 1 , .Xr pkg_delete 1 , ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --- create/pkg_create.1.ORIG Sun May 24 17:18:45 1998 +++ create/pkg_create.1 Thu Jun 25 14:00:00 1998 @@ -359,6 +359,28 @@ .Cm @pkgdep directives may be used if the package depends on multiple other packages. .El +.Sh ENVIRONMENT +.Ev PKG_TMPDIR +points to the directory where pkg_create creates temporary files. +.Ev TMPDIR +gets used if +.Ev PKG_TMPDIR +is not set. If both are unset built in defaults are used. +.Sh FILES +.Bl -tag -width /usr/tmp -compact +.It Pa /var/tmp +Used if +.Ev PKG_TMPDIR +and +.Ev TMPDIR +are either not set or the directories have insufficient space left. +.It Pa /tmp +The next choice if /var/tmp either does not exist or has insufficent +space left. +.It Pa /usr/tmp +The last choice. Used if /tmp either does not exist or has +insufficent space left. +.El .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr pkg_add 1 , .Xr pkg_delete 1 , ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --- info/pkg_info.1.ORIG Thu Oct 9 09:09:45 1997 +++ info/pkg_info.1 Thu Jun 25 14:00:12 1998 @@ -118,6 +118,28 @@ command line, or from already installed package information in .Pa /var/db/pkg/ . +.Sh ENVIRONMENT +.Ev PKG_TMPDIR +points to the directory where pkg_info creates temporary files. +.Ev TMPDIR +gets used if +.Ev PKG_TMPDIR is not set. If both are unset built in defaults are +used. +.Sh FILES +.Bl -tag -width /usr/tmp -compact +.It Pa /var/tmp +Used if +.Ev PKG_TMPDIR +and +.Ev TMPDIR +are either not set or the directories have insufficient space left. +.It Pa /tmp +The next choice if /var/tmp either does not exist or has insufficent +space left. +.It Pa /usr/tmp +The last choice. Used if /tmp either does not exist or has +insufficent space left. +.El .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr pkg_add 1 , .Xr pkg_create 1 , >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 25 08:12:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24351 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:12:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spiv.fnal.gov (spiv.fnal.gov [131.225.124.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA24281 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:12:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from neswold@fnal.gov) Received: from localhost (neswold@localhost) by spiv.fnal.gov (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA05276; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:12:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from neswold@fnal.gov) X-Authentication-Warning: spiv.fnal.gov: neswold owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:12:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Rich Neswold Reply-To: neswold@fnal.gov To: SamAlucho@aol.com cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wondering? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Spambot-Food: abuse@localhost postmaster@localhost abuse@fbi.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 SamAlucho@aol.com wrote: > I am new to computer jargon and was wondering what the heck free bsd is > .is it a ISP, or a browser, or a database? Hello! FreeBSD is none of the above. It is a complete operating system based upon the Berkeley-flavor of Unix (BSD). It is completely *free*. Many companies use FreeBSD to handle their web presence (see http://www.freebsd.org/cgallery.html). It's extremely stable (FreeBSD machines routinely stay running 24hrs a day for 100's of days at a time!) Our FreeBSD machines only get rebooted during power outages or kernel upgrades -- both are rare occurances. Otherwise, they're 7/24. If you're interested in FreeBSD, check out the home page at http://www.freebsd.org and welcome to the FreeBSD community! Rich ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Richard Neswold, Accelerator Div./Controls Dept | neswold@fnal.gov Fermilab, PO Box 500, MS 347, Batavia, IL 60510 | voice (630) 840-3454 'finger neswold@aduxb.fnal.gov' for PGP key | fax (630) 840-3093 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 25 08:17:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24978 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:17:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA24972 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:17:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kelly@plutotech.com) Received: from plutotech.com (tampopo.plutotech.com [206.168.67.161]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02911; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:16:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <359269E3.8097EA68@plutotech.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:16:51 -0600 From: Sean Kelly Organization: Pluto Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wolfram Schneider CC: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New home page design References: <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Overall, I like the way the new design's laid out. The uneven columns of the current homepage don't look quite right. (That layout may be common for newsletters, and I've seen many web pages that look like newsletters, but the current homepage doesn't come across that way.) One thing that really does bug me about the new design is that it forces you to have a certain browser width. The right column of text doesn't word wrap. I can resize my browser horizontally all I want with the current home page and it still comes out more-or-less OK. That has *got* to be fixed. The oval ``buttons'' at the bottom might work better if they were consistent: one of them doesn't have the word ``FreeBSD'' in it. Maybe they should be labelled: Download FAQ Handbook True, `download' isn't appropriate, but it probably makes sense to more people than `Getting' or `Install'. Have you considered alternative fonts? Sans serif headings might look nice. Also, a simple bullet for the lists on the left hand side might help, as also a tiny warning that the Newletter link is a PDF file (a tiny PDF icon, perhaps?). In the left column, the Quick Search appears too far above the entry field. Is the RCS $Id$ really necessary? Finally, I'm glad to see the text I wrote some time ago is still getting good use. :-) Thanks! Take care. --Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 25 10:10:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12954 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:10:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12803 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (aeiusrE-30.aei.ca [206.186.204.230]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06012; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359283DB.F9006DD7@aei.ca> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:07:39 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wolfram Schneider CC: Atipa , Sue Blake , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New home page design References: <19980625052123.12105@welearn.com.au> <19980625111319.E14860@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > On 1998-06-24 15:33:43 -0600, Atipa wrote: > > There should not be a "Hardware" section under "Software", but otherwise > > it looks pretty good. > > Read it as 'our software support hardware from vendor xyz' ;-) > > The section name 'software' is an abbreviation for > 'how to install FreeBSD and other tools on your computer' > Maybe put quicksearch on the top? Malartre -- -------------------------------------- malartre@aei.ca ICQ #4224434 www.aei.ca/~malartre/ FreeBSD-2.2.6 -------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 25 10:31:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17638 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:31:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.atipa.com (altrox.atipa.com [208.128.22.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA17619 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:31:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail 22193 invoked by uid 1017); 25 Jun 1998 16:27:57 -0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:27:57 -0600 (MDT) From: Atipa To: Wolfram Schneider cc: Sue Blake , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New home page design In-Reply-To: <19980625111319.E14860@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On 1998-06-24 15:33:43 -0600, Atipa wrote: > > There should not be a "Hardware" section under "Software", but otherwise > > it looks pretty good. > > Read it as 'our software supports hardware from vendor xyz' ;-) > > The section name 'software' is an abbreviation for > 'how to install FreeBSD and other tools on your computer' Hmmm... I agree with your logic, but I don't think that logic is well conveyed by the current design. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 25 21:37:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03426 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:37:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03350; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:36:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) From: Joseph Koshy Received: (from jkoshy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id VAA05063; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:36:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806260436.VAA05063@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jrlang@jrlang.com, jkoshy@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/6444 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Micron system hanging State-Changed-From-To: suspended-closed State-Changed-By: jkoshy State-Changed-When: Thu Jun 25 21:34:57 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: Info added to rev 1.8 of FAQ/hardware.sgml. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 25 23:47:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18672 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:47:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jazz.snu.ac.kr (jazz.snu.ac.kr [147.46.59.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18665; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:47:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junker@jazz.snu.ac.kr) Received: (from junker@localhost) by jazz.snu.ac.kr (8.9.0/8.9.0) id PAA19366; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:41:02 +0900 (KST) To: Joseph Koshy Cc: imdave@synet.net, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, phk@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Please review; fonts tutorial changes References: <199806251043.DAA21323@freefall.freebsd.org> From: CHOI Junho Date: 26 Jun 1998 15:41:02 +0900 In-Reply-To: Joseph Koshy's message of Thu, 25 Jun 1998 03:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joseph Koshy writes: > +The xfsft font server for X11 can serve > +TrueType fonts in addition to the regular fonts. Though currently in > +beta, it is said to be ready for general use. See +url="http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/home/jec/programs/xfsft/">Juliusz > +Chroboczek's page for further information. Porting instructions > +for FreeBSD can be found at +url="http://math.missouri.edu/~stephen/software/">Stephen Montgomery's > +software page. There is one more. x-tt is another TrueType rendering support in XFree86 using FreeType: http://hawk.ise.chuo-u.ac.jp/student/person/tshiozak/study/freebsd-at-random/x-tt/index-en.html Recently its ports(ver 06) is submitted(see -ports). It supports CJK TrueType fonts. -- ----Cool FreeBSD!----MSX Forever!---J.U.N.K.E.R/Beat Snatchers!---- CHOI Junho http://jazz.snu.ac.kr/~junker Distributed Computing System Lab,CS Dept.,Seoul National Univ., ROK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 26 00:17:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA22041 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:17:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA21974; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:17:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkoshy@FreeBSD.org) From: Joseph Koshy Received: (from jkoshy@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id AAA08971; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806260716.AAA08971@freefall.freebsd.org> To: seggers@semyam.dinoco.de, jkoshy@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/7064 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: pkg_* man pages are incomplete regarding env variables State-Changed-From-To: open-closed State-Changed-By: jkoshy State-Changed-When: Fri Jun 26 00:12:30 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: Changed in rev 1.25 of pkg_add.1, rev 1.26 of pkg_crate.1, rev 1.16 pf pkg_info.1; thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 26 00:26:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA23817 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:26:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA23785 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:26:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@aeiusrI-21.aei.ca [206.186.205.171]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA19073; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 03:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35934C8F.562B7C4D@aei.ca> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 03:23:59 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: grog@lemis.com CC: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Hey Greg :-) I have finaly writed something on "How to ask a question" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It's not perfect, but what do you think of it? http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/how-to-ask.html Malartre -- -------------------------------------- malartre@aei.ca ICQ #4224434 www.aei.ca/~malartre/ FreeBSD-2.2.6 -------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 26 02:07:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA06169 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:07:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA06155 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:07:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01425; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:06:19 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA28013; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:06:02 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980626100601.10145@iii.co.uk> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:06:01 +0100 To: Wolfram Schneider Cc: Sergei Laskavy , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New home page design References: <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <19980624220019.B16829@gambit.msk.su> <19980624201339.A21088@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19980624201339.A21088@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de>; from Wolfram Schneider on Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 08:13:39PM +0200 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 08:13:39PM +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > I don't think this is possible. You must switch the table > columns and put the readmap at the right site. Not necessary. You should be able to do it like this:

This will appear on the right hand side in a table aware browser, and at the top of the page in a non-table aware browser.

This will appear on the left hand side in a table aware browser, and at the bottom of the page in a non-table aware browser.
Empty first cell and the 'rowspan="2"' attribute on the second cell organise things properly. N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 26 02:54:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA11896 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:54:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA11880 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:54:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03369; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:54:27 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA28103; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:54:14 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980626105412.14995@iii.co.uk> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:54:12 +0100 To: Wolfram Schneider Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New home page design References: <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de>; from Wolfram Schneider on Wed, Jun 24, 1998 at 04:50:18PM +0200 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If people are thinking about redesigning the homepage, here's a suggestion I've been kicking around the back of my mind. Keep the very first page short and sweet. Welcome to FreeBSD In order to be as useful as possible, the information on this web site has been arranged in a number of different ways, based upon the information you need. * Prospective User You've heard about FreeBSD, and want to know more. Learn all about FreeBSD, what it is, how to install it and related information in these pages. * Problems installing If you're having problems during your installation of FreeBSD, these pages contain concise links to errata, Frequently Asked Installation Questions and related information. * Installed User You've installed FreeBSD. Discover how to install new ports and packages, how to configure your system, and how to configure printing, PPP, file sharing and more. * Developer / Contributor For active FreeBSD developers and contributors. The pages behind these links would then take to roughly the same information, but organised differently to be more useful. Thoughts? N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 26 06:00:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA02005 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 06:00:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.worldtele.net (worldtele.net [208.229.49.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA02000 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 06:00:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from plunkettr@wtjam.net) Received: from wtjam.net ([208.229.49.17]) by ns.worldtele.net with ESMTP (IPAD 2.06/64) id 4267300 ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 07:59:19 EST Message-ID: <3593B773.85856ED8@wtjam.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:00:03 -0700 From: WTI Organization: WTI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: What Directories ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can someone send a list of the Directories I should download and the full "ftp" path name where these Directories lies. Reason for asking such question because I did not see it any where on your web page. HELP HELP HELP !!!! -- SUCCESS IS NOT THE RESULT OF SPONTANEOUS COMBUSTION. YOU MUST SET YOUR SELF ON FIRE. THERE'S IS A WAY TO DO IT BETTER -------FIND IT. R. A. PLUNKETT To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 26 07:07:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11081 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 07:07:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Gambit.Msk.SU (gambit.msk.su [194.190.206.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA11015 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 07:06:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from laskavy@Gambit.Msk.SU) Received: (from laskavy@localhost) by Gambit.Msk.SU (6.7/8.9.0) id SAA28800; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:06:31 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <19980626180630.A28782@gambit.msk.su> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:06:30 +0400 From: Sergei Laskavy To: WTI Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What Directories ? References: <3593B773.85856ED8@wtjam.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <3593B773.85856ED8@wtjam.net>; from WTI on Fri, Jun 26, 1998 at 08:00:03AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 26, 1998 at 08:00:03AM -0700, WTI wrote: > Can someone send a list of the Directories I should download and the > full "ftp" path name where these Directories lies. Reason for asking > such question because I did not see it any where on your web page. >=20 > HELP HELP HELP !!!! http://freebsd.org/handbook/install.html On the top page http://freebsd.org/ there is a link to this page: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Easy to install =20 FreeBSD can be installed from a variety of media including CD-ROM, floppy disk, magnetic tape, an MS-DOS partition, or if you have a network connection, you can install it directly over anonymous FTP or NFS. All you need is a single 1.44MB boot floppy and these directions. ########################################################^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBNZOq49X+A8orTBXtAQHWfwQAnH6Oh55Lbxw/6iDOfKi9MHlsRKuLAmRF srWvhRiq8LTGqm8bDPjesUB+au+1/V93hnXDEGNGV1u7+fleAo3ihhtipCh0JagF JwNuvnIfbt3f0e4o2WCpqDEvJIgCwhs9Gh6QteJS+tKVskBfnMjpJ3QEgjhKzD8N mFDkyiHHC1w= =02PV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 26 08:18:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23397 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:18:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23335 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:18:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kelly@plutotech.com) Received: from plutotech.com (tampopo.plutotech.com [206.168.67.161]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19073; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:18:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3593BBBB.B03FDC88@plutotech.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:18:19 -0600 From: Sean Kelly Organization: Pluto Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nik@iii.co.uk CC: Wolfram Schneider , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New home page design References: <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <19980626105412.14995@iii.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Keep the very first page short and sweet. A great idea. The page is visited as a jumping-off point for users who know what they're after, but also by people who ask questions such as the recent ``Is it an ISP? A database?'' We can make the introductory page accomodate both types. I hope. > Welcome to FreeBSD Or just the FreeBSD logo with the Power to Serve motto. > In order to be as useful as possible, the information on this > web site has been arranged in a number of different ways, based > upon the information you need. I think this paragraph can be omitted, as the design itself should make the intent clear. > * Prospective User > > You've heard about FreeBSD, and want to know more. Learn > all about FreeBSD, what it is, how to install it and related > information in these pages. This sounds good, except that many people who have no idea what FreeBSD is will want instant gratification: that is, they don't want to click any deeper into the web site than necessary to answer the basic question of what the heck this is all about. Rather than label it Prospecitve User, I think it'd be better to up-front say what FreeBSD is and let the short explanatory paragraph turn the ``just visitors visiting'' into prospective users. For example: ABOUT FREEBSD FreeBSD is a robust, high-power, Internet-ready, Unix-like operating system for PCs. If you're a prospective user, you can learn more about FreeBSD, how to install it Here, either ``learn more,'' or the heading, or both are hyperlinks to text that's similar to the current home page: this gives the interested user an executive summary of the cutting edge features, the powerful Internet solutions that FreeBSD providese, the applications it runs. In essence, it goes to what is now the current homepage. > * Problems installing > > If you're having problems during your installation of FreeBSD, > these pages contain concise links to errata, Frequently Asked > Installation Questions and related information. This is good, too, but I wince a bit at having the word ``problems'' in a heading. In reality, people will experience problems. But this is the web. There is no reality. I'd suggest instead: DOWNLOADING AND INSTALLING FREEBSD You'll find help on installing FreeBSD in the following: * How To Install FreeBSD * Frequently Asked Questions * Errata I'm using a bulleted list here to help accomodate the user having trouble with the installation. Less reading. Links directly to what's needed. > * Installed User > > You've installed FreeBSD. Discover how to install new ports and > packages, how to configure your system, and how to configure > printing, PPP, file sharing and more. I'm really liking this idea of dividing the page into the different types of users! I'm just worried that people might misjudge what kind of users they are, and that's why I'm rewriting your headings. (Plus, what does it mean to install a user? :-) RUNNING & CONFIGURING FREEBSD Once you've installed FreeBSD, discover how to install new applications and programs, how to configure your system, and set up printing, PPP, networking, file sharing, and more. > * Developer / Contributor > > For active FreeBSD developers and contributors. Looks good. And finally, there's no reason why the really advanced user should have to click several levels to get where s/he wants to go. We can keep the ``web map'' bar which has all of the major links as a quick-access method. --Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 26 09:20:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04718 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:20:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04658 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:20:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id JAA19929; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vinson.ca.sandia.gov (vinson.ca.sandia.gov [146.246.243.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04314 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:18:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@vinson.ca.sandia.gov) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by vinson.ca.sandia.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20213; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:17:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <199806261617.JAA20213@vinson.ca.sandia.gov> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:17:52 -0700 (PDT) From: bmah@ca.sandia.gov Reply-To: bmah@ca.sandia.gov To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/7079: FAQ 10.15 on IP multicast routing is wrong Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 7079 >Category: docs >Synopsis: FAQ 10.15 on IP multicast routing is wrong >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Jun 26 09:20:00 PDT 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Bruce A. Mah >Organization: Sandia National Laboratories >Release: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386 >Environment: Current version of FAQ. >Description: The answer to FAQ 10.15 on enabling IP multicast routing specifies a procedure that hasn't worked since around 2.1.0-RELEASE (the LKM ip_mrouted_mod isn't even built nowadays). >How-To-Repeat: RTFFAQ. :-) >Fix: Suggested new text for the first paragraph: Multicast host operations are fully supported in FreeBSD 2.0 and above by default. If you want your box to run as a multicast router, you will need to recompile your kernel with the MROUTING option and run mrouted. FreeBSD 2.2 and newer can run mrouted at boot time by setting mrouted_enable to "YES" in /etc/rc.conf. MBONE tools are available in their own ports category... >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 26 12:11:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10422 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:11:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10334 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:10:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id MAA25301; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09468; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:06:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <199806261906.MAA09468@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/7082: FAQ changes Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 7082 >Category: docs >Synopsis: FAQ changes >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Jun 26 12:10:01 PDT 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Doug White >Organization: UO ResNet >Release: >Environment: >Description: Fix grammar errors. Submitted-By: Dag-Erling Coidan . Index: applications.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/cvs/doc/FAQ/applications.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.3 applications.sgml --- applications.sgml 1998/04/27 16:13:58 1.3 +++ applications.sgml 1998/06/26 18:41:12 @@ -23,7 +23,7 @@

We also support the concept of a ``package'', essentially no more than a gzipped binary distribution with a little extra intelligence embedded in it for doing whatever custom installation - work is required. A package can installed and uninstalled + work is required. A package can be installed and uninstalled again easily without having to know the gory details of which files it includes. Index: hardware.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/cvs/doc/FAQ/hardware.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -r1.7 hardware.sgml --- hardware.sgml 1998/06/18 10:07:09 1.7 +++ hardware.sgml 1998/06/26 18:41:12 @@ -318,5 +318,21 @@ keyword. + + Workarounds for specific hardware problems +

This section contains workarounds for specific hardware + problems encountered by our users. + + Micron systems hang at boot time +

Certain Micron motherboards have a non-conforming PCI BIOS + implementation that causes grief when FreeBSD boots because + PCI devices don't get configured at their reported addresses. +

Disable the "Plug and Play Operating System" flag in the BIOS + to work around this problem. More information can be found at + + + Index: install.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/cvs/doc/FAQ/install.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 install.sgml --- install.sgml 1998/05/19 01:45:17 1.2 +++ install.sgml 1998/06/26 18:41:12 @@ -456,7 +456,7 @@ screen.

If you have a IDE Zip or Jaz drive installed, remove it and try again. - The boot floppy has trouble probing these devices and can confuse it. + The boot floppy can get confused by the drives. After the system is installed you can reconnect the drive. Hopefully this will be fixed in a later release. Index: troubleshoot.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/cvs/doc/FAQ/troubleshoot.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -r1.4 troubleshoot.sgml --- troubleshoot.sgml 1998/06/22 10:17:55 1.4 +++ troubleshoot.sgml 1998/06/26 18:41:12 @@ -342,12 +342,13 @@ should get rid of the panic completely. You can monitor the number of mbuf clusters allocated/in use on the system with . + name="netstat -m">. The default value for NMBCLUSTERS is + ``CMAP busy panic'' when rebooting with a new kernel. -

The logic that attempts to detect an out of data +

The logic that attempts to detect an out of date /var/db/kvm_*.db files sometimes fails and using a mismatched file can sometimes lead to panics. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 26 14:51:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12378 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:51:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12245 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:50:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id OAA01492; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10416; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:40:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <199806262140.OAA10416@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:40:54 -0700 (PDT) From: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.ed To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/7083: More FAQ updates Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 7083 >Category: docs >Synopsis: More FAQ updates >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Jun 26 14:50:01 PDT 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Doug White >Organization: UO ResNet >Release: >Environment: >Description: More FAQ changes are below. They are unidiffs split by file -- hope this helps committing them. Logs for the files: admin.sgml: Add section on amd. applications.sgml: Add section on installing FrontPage. hardware.sgml: Added sections on CAM, Plug & Play modems, and serial consoles. install.sgml: Added section on why not to remove sc0. preface.sgml: Updated versions graph to reflect current reality. x.sgml: Added sections on missing Imake.tmpl and how to reverse the mouse buttons. Index: admin.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/cvs/doc/FAQ/admin.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 admin.sgml --- admin.sgml 1998/05/27 05:29:25 1.5 +++ admin.sgml 1998/06/26 21:26:32 @@ -821,6 +821,78 @@ /etc/rc.conf to load this keymap explicitly for the change to take effect. Of course if you are using an alternate keymap for your country, you should edit that one instead. + + + How do I set up + +

is a daemon that + can automatically mount disks when they are accessed. + Placing removable devices like CDROMs and floppies simplifies their use, since + they don't have to be explicitly dismounted before removal.

+ +

The + +

To set up + Modify /etc/fstab and change the mountpoints for the devices you want automounted so + they are mounted under /mnt. For example, change the /cdrom mountpoint to /mnt/cdrom. + Create directory /a. + Modify /etc/rc.conf and set the following: + + amd_enable="YES + amd_flags="-c 1800 -k i386 -l syslog /a /etc/amd.map" + + Insert the following map, provided by Scott Mitchell + <>: + + + /defaults type:=host;fs:=${autodir}/${rhost};rhost:=${key} + * opts:=rw,grpid,resvport,nfsv2 + + cdrom type:=program;\ + fs:=/mnt/cdrom;\ + mount:="/sbin/mount mount /mnt/cdrom";\ + unmount:="/sbin/umount umount /mnt/cdrom" + + floppy type:=program;\ + fs:=/mnt/floppy\ + mount:="/sbin/mount mount /mnt/floppy";\ + unmount:="/sbin/umount umount /mnt/floppy" + + msdos type:=program;\ + fs:=/mnt/msdos;\ + mount:="/sbin/mount_msdos mount_msdos /mnt/msdos";\ + unmount:="/sbin/umount umount /mnt/msdos" + + + If desired, symlink /a/cdrom to /cdrom. + Reboot the system or start +

+

Now to access filesystems served by amd, just access them under /a, ie + cd /a/cdrom will cause the CDROM to be mounted. After approximately + five minutes, the CD will be automatically unmounted. If you want to unmount + a filesystem early, use the command amq -u /a/cdrom to unmount it.

+ +

Although more complex, + + + + + su's complaining about "kerberos not in root's ACL." What's up? + + +

At some point you installed the kerberos distribution from the install set. + You can run su with the -k option to quiet the message. If you want to fix it permanently, + though, you'll need to reinstall the bin distribution (and the des distribution if you + installed it previously and want your passwords to work). +

+ +

Kerberos is a distributed authentication system. +

Index: applications.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/cvs/doc/FAQ/applications.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -u -r1.3 applications.sgml --- applications.sgml 1998/04/27 16:13:58 1.3 +++ applications.sgml 1998/06/26 21:26:32 @@ -126,6 +126,17 @@

After installing the inn package or port, an excelent place to start is where you'll find the INN FAQ. + + + + + What version of Microsoft FrontPage should I get? + + +

Use the Port, Luke! A pre-patched version of Apache is available in the ports tree. +

+ + Index: hardware.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/cvs/doc/FAQ/hardware.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.7.2.1 diff -u -r1.7.2.1 hardware.sgml --- hardware.sgml 1998/06/26 18:57:36 1.7.2.1 +++ hardware.sgml 1998/06/26 21:34:06 @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ - + @@ -334,5 +334,56 @@ name="http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/vortex.html#micron"> + + + I have a newer Adaptec controller and FreeBSD can't find it. + + +

The newer AIC789x series Adaptec chips are supported under the CAM SCSI + framework making it's debut in 3.0. Patches against 3.0-CURRENT and 2.2-STABLE + are in . + A CAM-enhanced boot floppy is available at . In both cases read the README before + beginning.

+ + + + + I have an internal Plug & Play modem and FreeBSD can't find it. + + +

You will need to add the modem's PnP ID to the PnP ID list in the serial driver. + To enable Plug & Play support, compile a new kernel with /sys/i386/isa/sio.c, at about line 1200. Look for the string "SUP1310" + in the structure "siopnp_ids[]" to + find the table. Build the kernel again, install, reboot, and your modem should be found.

+ +

You may have to manually configure the PnP devices using the `pnp' command in the + boot-time configuration with a command like + + pnp 1 0 enable os irq0 3 drq0 0 port0 0x2f8 + + to make the modem show.

+ + + + + How do I get the boot: prompt to show on the serial console? + + +

+ Build a kernel with Create /boot.config and place Unplug the keyboard from the system. +

+ +

See /usr/src/sys/i386/boot/biosboot/README.serial for information.

+ + + + + Index: install.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/cvs/doc/FAQ/install.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.2.2.1 diff -u -r1.2.2.1 install.sgml --- install.sgml 1998/06/26 18:58:02 1.2.2.1 +++ install.sgml 1998/06/26 21:34:06 @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ - + @@ -459,6 +459,17 @@ The boot floppy can get confused by the drives. After the system is installed you can reconnect the drive. Hopefully this will be fixed in a later release. + + + + + After configuring the devices and the kernel finishes booting, the screen freezes. + + +

You may have removed `sc0', the system console. Don't remove it, even if it + shows a conflict with the psm0 mouse driver; this is normal.

+ + Index: preface.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/cvs/doc/FAQ/preface.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.12 preface.sgml --- preface.sgml 1998/06/05 03:53:37 1.12 +++ preface.sgml 1998/06/26 21:34:06 @@ -180,14 +180,14 @@ | | | [2.2-stable] - *BRANCH* 2.2.1 -> 2.2.2-RELEASE -> 2.2.5-RELEASE -> ... - | (Mar 1997) (Oct 1997) + *BRANCH* 2.2.1 -> 2.2.2-RELEASE -> 2.2.5 -> 2.2.6 -> 2.2.7 + | (Mar 1997) (Oct 97) (Apr 98) (Jul 98) | | 3.0-SNAPs (started Q1 1997) | | - 3.0.0-RELEASE (Q1 1998) + 3.0.0-RELEASE (Oct 1998) | \|/ + Index: x.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/cvs/doc/FAQ/x.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 x.sgml --- x.sgml 1998/02/01 23:02:37 1.2 +++ x.sgml 1998/06/26 21:34:06 @@ -343,5 +343,23 @@

See the previous section for another possible cause of mouse problems. + + When building an X app, + +

Imake.tmpl is part of the Imake package, a standard X application building tool. + Imake.tmpl, as well as several header files that are required to build X apps, + is contained in the X prog distribution. You can install this from sysinstall or + manually from the X distribution files.

+ + + + + How do I reverse the mouse buttons? + + +

Run the command + >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 26 16:01:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21109 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:01:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21036 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:00:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id QAA02946; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20541; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:57:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <199806262257.PAA20541@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:57:39 -0700 (PDT) From: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/7084: Yet more FAQ changes Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 7084 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Yet more FAQ changes >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Jun 26 16:00:02 PDT 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Doug White >Organization: UO ResNet >Release: >Environment: >Description: Another change to admin.sgml: Fix `can't mount root' instructions to run mount -a before passwd. Dooh! Index: admin.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/cvs/doc/FAQ/admin.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.5.2.1 diff -u -r1.5.2.1 admin.sgml --- admin.sgml 1998/06/26 21:43:35 1.5.2.1 +++ admin.sgml 1998/06/26 22:51:37 @@ -807,8 +807,9 @@

Don't Panic! Simply restart the system, type -s at the Boot: prompt to enter Single User mode. At the question about the shell to use, hit ENTER. You'll be dropped to a # prompt. Enter mount -u / to - remount your root filesystem read/write, then run >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 26 17:33:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09151 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:33:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09128 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:33:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id CAA13624; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 02:33:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00552; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 02:16:09 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from wosch) Message-ID: <19980627021608.26759@panke.de> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 02:16:08 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Sean Kelly Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New home page design References: <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <19980626105412.14995@iii.co.uk> <3593BBBB.B03FDC88@plutotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 In-Reply-To: <3593BBBB.B03FDC88@plutotech.com>; from Sean Kelly on Fri, Jun 26, 1998 at 09:18:19AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1998-06-26 09:18:19 -0600, Sean Kelly wrote: > > Keep the very first page short and sweet. > > A great idea. The page is visited as a jumping-off point for users who > know what they're after, but also by people who ask questions such as > the recent ``Is it an ISP? A database?'' We can make the introductory > page accomodate both types. I hope. There are at least 500-1000 new users which visit www.freebsd.org every day. We get many hits from online services which have a FreeBSD logo at their home page. -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~w/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 26 17:56:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11726 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:56:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11706; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:56:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) From: Tim Vanderhoek Received: (from hoek@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id RAA05975; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806270056.RAA05975@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu, hoek@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/7082 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: FAQ changes State-Changed-From-To: open-closed State-Changed-By: hoek State-Changed-When: Fri Jun 26 17:55:43 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: Diffs applied. About to commit. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 26 17:58:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11938 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:58:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11919; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:58:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) From: Tim Vanderhoek Received: (from hoek@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id RAA06057; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806270057.RAA06057@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.ed, hoek@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/7083 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: More FAQ updates State-Changed-From-To: open-closed State-Changed-By: hoek State-Changed-When: Fri Jun 26 17:56:29 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: Diffs applied. About to commit as soon as I finish reviewing cvs diff... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 26 18:16:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13955 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:16:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13882; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:15:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hoek@FreeBSD.org) From: Tim Vanderhoek Received: (from hoek@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id SAA06466; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806270114.SAA06466@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu, hoek@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/7084 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Yet more FAQ changes State-Changed-From-To: open-closed State-Changed-By: hoek State-Changed-When: Fri Jun 26 17:57:49 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: Applied. After applying the diffs (mod $Id$ changes, but those wouldn't have done any damage, ANYWAYS), the following commands were used locally: export CVSROOT=freefall.freebsd.org:/home/ncvs cvs co FAQ (apply diffs) cvs ci I bet even you can handle that, Doug! :-) (the ssh package needs to be installed, too, but that's just as easy!) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 26 19:12:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA22808 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:12:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heidegger.uol.com.br (heidegger.uol.com.br [200.230.198.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA22701 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:11:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sowina@uol.com.br) Received: from uol.com.br (gip-spo-2-as20-0-a39.br.global-one.net [200.224.44.231]) by heidegger.uol.com.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA11813 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:12:11 -0300 (EST) Message-ID: <3593AC6B.FC2196E1@uol.com.br> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:12:59 -0300 From: Cristiano Savino X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [pt] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Some help with the "/dev/socksys" device. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello people, I bought the FreeBSD v.2.2.5 from Walnut Creek ( 4 cds package ). The Operating System is already installed and running successfully, so I tried to install the Oracle Database v7.1.5 ( for SCO). To make it, I had to - Enable the IBCS2 flag. - Recompile the Kernel enabling the IPC and semaphores options for System V (that is for the Shared Memory to work). The Oracle database was installed successfully too, I mean, the database is up and running, and I am able to create tables,views, run some PLs, etc. But, one of the main features of the database could not be initialized, the Listener Server. The Listener makes possible other Client machines to connect with the Database Server (running on the FreeBSD). When I try to activate this option, first, the system asks for the "/dev/socksys" that is not present, so I read the FAQ 6.4 on the www.freebsd.org, but I still have some doubts about it: 1 - The /compat/ibcs2/dev is not present on my machine (I only had the /compat), so I had to create it manually, is this normal? 2 - I had to create the files on the /compat/ibcs2/dev manually, I mean: cd /compat/ibcs2/dev >null ln -s /dev/null XOR@ ln -s /dev/null socksys@ mknod spx c 41 1 ln -s socksys nfsd@ And after all I made a link to socksys , using cd /dev ln -s /dev/null socksys Is this correct? After all this configuration, I still cannot start the Listener, it gives me a network error !! What should I do? Thanks, And sorry for the bad English !! Cristiano Savino - sowina@uol.com.br from Brasil - São Paulo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 26 19:20:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24213 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:20:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA24073; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:20:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26483; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:19:56 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980627121953.58806@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:19:53 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Tim Vanderhoek Cc: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/7084 References: <199806270114.SAA06466@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199806270114.SAA06466@freefall.freebsd.org>; from Tim Vanderhoek on Fri, Jun 26, 1998 at 06:14:43PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jun 26, 1998 at 06:14:43PM -0700, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > After applying the diffs (mod $Id$ changes, but those wouldn't have done > any damage, ANYWAYS), the following commands were used locally: > > export CVSROOT=freefall.freebsd.org:/home/ncvs > cvs co FAQ > (apply diffs) > cvs ci Hmph! I saw that spoon-feeding! Shoulda told him to read the FAQ :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 26 20:04:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00566 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:04:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA00553 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 20:04:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@dialA1f.aei.ca [206.123.6.51]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18868; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359460AB.733C1856@aei.ca> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 23:02:03 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wolfram Schneider CC: Sean Kelly , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New home page design References: <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <19980626105412.14995@iii.co.uk> <3593BBBB.B03FDC88@plutotech.com> <19980627021608.26759@panke.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > On 1998-06-26 09:18:19 -0600, Sean Kelly wrote: > > > Keep the very first page short and sweet. > > > > A great idea. The page is visited as a jumping-off point for users who > > know what they're after, but also by people who ask questions such as > > the recent ``Is it an ISP? A database?'' We can make the introductory > > page accomodate both types. I hope. > > There are at least 500-1000 new users which visit www.freebsd.org > every day. We get many hits from online services which > have a FreeBSD logo at their home page. > > -- > Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~w/ So much? Do you have other number like that :-) Like how many hit a day? Malartre -- -------------------------------------- malartre@aei.ca ICQ #4224434 www.aei.ca/~malartre/ FreeBSD-2.2.6 -------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 27 02:27:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA15192 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 02:27:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA15111; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 02:26:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@FreeBSD.org) From: Poul-Henning Kamp Received: (from phk@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id CAA17789; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 02:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 02:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806270926.CAA17789@freefall.freebsd.org> To: bmah@ca.sandia.gov, phk@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/7079 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Old Synopsis: FAQ 10.15 on IP multicast routing is wrong New Synopsis: [PATCH] FAQ 10.15 on IP multicast routing is wrong State-Changed-From-To: open-suspended State-Changed-By: phk State-Changed-When: Sat Jun 27 02:25:25 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: awaiting doc/faw committer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 27 03:58:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA26762 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 03:58:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA26747 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 03:58:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23028; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:25:26 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Message-ID: <19980627112526.06972@nothing-going-on.org> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:25:26 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SGML directory under /usr/doc, 'docproj' ports category Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, I think I need a new directory in the doc/ collection, and I want some feedback before I go off and do it. As part of the LinuxDoc to DocBook conversion, I've built an extended DocBook DTD with a few new elements ('hostname', 'username', 'devicename', 'faqlist'). This DTD is obviously in its own file. In addition, I'll need a 'catalog' file that maps the public identifier for the DTD to the file. That's (at least) 2 files that will be common to all the documentation. There will probably be more as publically available stylesheets are modified for the project. I'm wondering where to put them. Two obvious choices. doc/sgml/[freebsd.dtd|catalog] or doc/sgml/freebsd/[freebsd.dtd|catalog] The first approach minimises the depth of the directory structure. The second approach more closely mirrors the scheme under /usr/local/share/sgml. Anyone got any particular preferences? If not, I'll probably go for the first approach. Secondly, I've just submitted a PR with a new port, textproc/docproj. This is a meta-port, along the lines of 'x11/kde'. It just references the other programs that are used by the documentation project, so # cd /usr/ports/textproc/docproj # make will get you all the applications you need to build the FAQ and Handbook. I plan on comitting it next week. Does anyone think this is worthy of a ports virtual category as well, in the same fashion that the kde applications are handled? N -- Work: nik@iii.co.uk | FreeBSD + Perl + Apache Rest: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk | Remind me again why we need Play: nik@freebsd.org | Microsoft? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 27 11:30:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11473 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:30:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11466 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:30:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id LAA02591; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.yk.rim.or.jp (root@mail.yk.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11105 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:24:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from k-horik@yk.rim.or.jp) Received: from localhost (ppp345.yk.rim.or.jp [202.247.165.45]) by mail.yk.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.6W-RIMNET-98-06-09) with ESMTP id DAA25359 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 03:24:09 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <19980628032351D.k-horik@yk.rim.or.jp> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 03:23:51 +0900 From: k-horik@yk.rim.or.jp Reply-To: k-horik@yk.rim.or.jp To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/7092: modems.5 contains some typo. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 7092 >Category: docs >Synopsis: modems.5 contains some typo. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Jun 27 11:30:00 PDT 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Kazuo Horikawa >Organization: personal user >Release: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 >Environment: src/usr.bin/tip/tip/modems.5 revision 1.2 (RELENG_2_2 and HEAD) >Description: 1. `man 5 modems' shows in DESCRIPTION section: The first entry is the name(s) of the modem. If there is more than one name for a system, the names are separated by vertical bars. After the ^^^^^^ name of the system comes the fields of the description. A field name ^^^^^^ These `system's should be `modem's. 2. `Pa' macro should be used for pathname or file name (See mdoc(7)). So, .Pa /etc/remote database. should be .Pa /etc/remote database. >How-To-Repeat: % man 5 modems >Fix: Apply following patch to src/usr.bin/tip/tip/modems.5 revision 1.2 (RELENG_2_2 and HEAD). --- modems.5.bak Sun Jun 28 01:31:51 1998 +++ modems.5 Sun Jun 28 01:54:03 1998 @@ -52,15 +52,16 @@ continued on the next line. .Pp The first entry is the name(s) of the modem. If there is more -than one name for a system, the names are separated by vertical bars. -After the name of the system comes the fields of the description. A +than one name for a modem, the names are separated by vertical bars. +After the name of the modem comes the fields of the description. A field name followed by an `=' sign indicates a string value follows. A field name followed by a `#' sign indicates a following numeric value. .Pp When .Xr tip 1 is invoked, an entry for a remote system is looked up in the -.Pa /etc/remote database. +.Pa /etc/remote +database. If the entry includes an "ACU" type capability (abbreviated at), .Xr tip 1 looks up the specified modem in >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 27 13:20:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22867 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:20:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22854 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:20:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id NAA04564; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tim.xenologics.com (tim.xenologics.com [194.77.5.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22159 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:15:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seggers@semyam.dinoco.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tim.xenologics.com (8.8.5/8.8.8) with UUCP id WAA22446 for FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 22:13:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from seggers@localhost) by semyam.dinoco.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21112; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:27:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from seggers) Message-Id: <199806271827.UAA21112@semyam.dinoco.de> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:27:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Stefan Eggers Reply-To: seggers@semyam.dinoco.de To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: seggers@semyam.dinoco.de X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/7093: Typo in fdwrite(1) man page Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 7093 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Typo in fdwrite(1) man page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Jun 27 13:20:00 PDT 1998 >Last-Modified: >Originator: Stefan Eggers >Organization: none >Release: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386 >Environment: N/A >Description: The 2.2-stable man page has a typo in it. See diff. >How-To-Repeat: Read the man page carefully. >Fix: --- fdwrite.1.ORIG Sat Jun 27 13:07:44 1998 +++ fdwrite.1 Sat Jun 27 20:24:41 1998 @@ -34,7 +34,7 @@ then each track will be formatted, written with data from the .Ar inputfile , read back and compared. -When the floppy disk if filled, the process is repeated, with the next disk. +When the floppy disk is filled, the process is repeated, with the next disk. This continues until the program is interrupted or EOF is encountered on the .Ar inputfile . >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 27 13:36:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25258 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:36:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25224; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:35:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@FreeBSD.org) From: Steve Price Received: (from steve@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id NAA05318; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806272035.NAA05318@freefall.freebsd.org> To: k-horik@yk.rim.or.jp, steve@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/7092 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: modems.5 contains some typo. State-Changed-From-To: open-closed State-Changed-By: steve State-Changed-When: Sat Jun 27 13:31:27 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: Patches committed, thanks! -current revision 1.2 src/usr.bin/tip/tip/modems.5 -stable revision 1.2.2.1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 27 14:32:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03705 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:32:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03587; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:32:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@FreeBSD.org) From: Steve Price Received: (from steve@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id OAA08367; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806272131.OAA08367@freefall.freebsd.org> To: seggers@semyam.dinoco.de, steve@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/7093 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Typo in fdwrite(1) man page State-Changed-From-To: open-closed State-Changed-By: steve State-Changed-When: Sat Jun 27 14:28:26 PDT 1998 State-Changed-Why: Suggested patch committed, thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 27 15:04:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08817 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:04:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08812 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:04:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id AAA28608; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:04:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00220; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:56:46 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from wosch) Message-ID: <19980627145645.31921@panke.de> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:56:45 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Malartre Cc: Wolfram Schneider , Sean Kelly , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New home page design References: <19980624165018.A10393@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <19980626105412.14995@iii.co.uk> <3593BBBB.B03FDC88@plutotech.com> <19980627021608.26759@panke.de> <359460AB.733C1856@aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 In-Reply-To: <359460AB.733C1856@aei.ca>; from Malartre on Fri, Jun 26, 1998 at 11:02:03PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1998-06-26 23:02:03 -0400, Malartre wrote: > > > A great idea. The page is visited as a jumping-off point for users who > > > know what they're after, but also by people who ask questions such as > > > the recent ``Is it an ISP? A database?'' We can make the introductory > > > page accomodate both types. I hope. > > There are at least 500-1000 new users which visit www.freebsd.org > > every day. We get many hits from online services which > > have a FreeBSD logo at their home page. > So much? > Do you have other number like that :-) > Like how many hit a day? >From my memory, 120,000 hits and 30,000 page views every day for www.freebsd.org. The numbers include also the personal homepages at www.freebsd.org. I guess all other web mirrors have together 60,000 - 120,000 hits. -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.freebsd.org/~w/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 27 16:58:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20220 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:58:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20200 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:58:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id JAA25919; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:28:37 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19980628092836.S23035@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:28:36 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Malartre Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de Subject: Web contacts (was: http://www.de.freebsd.org/cgallery.html) References: <199806270910.LAA13980@azurix.rz.tu-clausthal.de> <19980627184920.J23035@freebie.lemis.com> <35957F26.4948A3F0@aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <35957F26.4948A3F0@aei.ca>; from Malartre on Sat, Jun 27, 1998 at 07:24:22PM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For those of you who haven't seen it before, this is about the only valid criticism that Arne Wörner raised in his complaints about "child-endangering" content. On Saturday, 27 June 1998 at 19:24:22 -0400, Malartre wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: >> Arne Wörner wrote: >>> at the bottom of the page i saw the email address >>> questions@freebsd.org >>> and i thought this would be the address for mails regarding that page. >> >> Now that's reasonable. Yes, I suppose we should change that. > > I think than we should not put a e-mail on the top of the web page > because there is people who do not search anything, but take the time to > write a mail and to ask us "what's FreeBSD". We should put a link named > "Mail us" who would go to http://www.freebsd.org/mailto.html and add a > little tutorial on how to ask a question. Maybe also saying "Please, > read and search the web page before asking us a question than we have > already answer in the FAQ". Yes, this sounds like a reasonable idea. How about another section "Contact FreeBSD" in the yellow link bar at the top of each page, with information on how to do all sorts of things? That way we might even be able to stop people from sending technical questions to -doc. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 27 18:04:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28522 for freebsd-doc-outgoing; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:04:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.kt.rim.or.jp (root@mail.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.130.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28437 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:04:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp) Received: from moon.sky.rim.or.jp (ppp392.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.140.92]) by mail.kt.rim.or.jp (8.8.5/3.6W-RIMNET-98-06-09) with ESMTP id KAA16938; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:03:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from sky.rim.or.jp (earth [192.168.1.2]) by moon.sky.rim.or.jp (8.8.7/3.5Wpl4/moon-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA00835; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:03:18 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <35959602.DCBD4EEF@sky.rim.or.jp> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:01:54 +0900 From: Jun Kuriyama X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [ja] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton CC: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SGML directory under /usr/doc, 'docproj' ports category References: <19980627112526.06972@nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton wrote: > Two obvious choices. > > doc/sgml/[freebsd.dtd|catalog] I prefer this one. > Secondly, I've just submitted a PR with a new port, textproc/docproj. ... > I plan on comitting it next week. Go for it! :-) > Does anyone think this is worthy of a ports virtual category as well, > in the same fashion that the kde applications are handled? I don't think so. Virtual category "kde" includes applications which belong to KDE world. But Jade and dsssl-docbook-modular don't belong to Documentation Project. We only use these tools. -- Jun Kuriyama // kuriyama@sky.rim.or.jp // kuriyama@FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message