From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 29 00:06:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA20015 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:06:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.giovannelli.it (www.giovannelli.it [194.184.65.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA20010; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 00:06:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gmarco@giovannelli.it) Received: from giovannelli.it (modem00.masternet.it [194.184.65.254]) by www.giovannelli.it (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00373; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:12:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <351E0FE6.697349A9@giovannelli.it> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 09:09:58 +0000 From: Gianmarco Giovannelli X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: program to add users via web ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there anyone that use/know a program to add users via web pages (password and login chosen by me:-) ? Please reply directly to me too ... -- Regards... Gianmarco "Unix expert since yesterday" http://www.giovannelli.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 29 01:59:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA28023 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 01:59:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from md2.vsnl.net.in (md2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.6.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA28018 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 01:58:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aims@md2.vsnl.net.in) Received: by md2.vsnl.net.in; id AA02229; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:35:59 +0530 Message-Id: <351E1B63.3E918FC4@md2.vsnl.net.in> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:28:59 +0530 From: aims X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 29 02:59:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01567 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 02:59:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au [129.78.129.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA01556 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 02:59:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dawes@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au) Received: (from dawes@localhost) by rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) id UAA27256; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:58:53 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980329205853.30666@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:58:53 +1000 From: David Dawes To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Australias CVSup server? References: <199803260039.LAA25420@cain.gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199803260039.LAA25420@cain.gsoft.com.au>; from Daniel O'Connor on Thu, Mar 26, 1998 at 11:09:52AM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Mar 26, 1998 at 11:09:52AM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: >I am trying to cvsup from cvsup.au.freebsd.org but I keep gett access denied >messages :( >Any idea why? There was a problem related to upgrading cvsupd to 15.3. It should be fixed now. Contact me directly if you find further problems with it. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 29 19:31:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03605 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:31:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ve7tcp.ampr.org (ve7tcp.ampr.org [198.161.92.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03482 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:30:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lyndon@ve7tcp.ampr.org) Received: from localhost.ampr.org (localhost.ampr.org [127.0.0.1]) by ve7tcp.ampr.org (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA22410; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:40:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803292040.NAA22410@ve7tcp.ampr.org> X-Authentication-Warning: ve7tcp.ampr.org: localhost.ampr.org [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Warner Losh cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Keyboard mappings and Emacs (was Re: Proposal ) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:57:56 MST." <199803272357.QAA06361@harmony.village.org> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:40:57 -0700 From: Lyndon Nerenberg Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For Emacs I use the following in my .emacsrc: (global-set-key "\C-h" 'delete-backward-char) (global-set-key "\M-?" 'help-command) This makes both ^H and DEL do the "delete previous character" things, and I remap help to ESC-?. Works great in that it doesn't mess with my terminal-specific ^H/DEL settings in my login rc files (and emacs is consistent everywhere). --lyndon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 29 19:25:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01455 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:25:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from delirium.eng.bellsouth.net (delirium.eng.bellsouth.net [205.152.6.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA00704 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:24:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chk@delirium.eng.bellsouth.net) Received: (from chk@localhost) by delirium.eng.bellsouth.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21952; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:16:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980329101629.03184@delirium.eng.bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:16:29 -0500 From: Christian Kuhtz To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PPP install broken in 2.2.6? References: <19980328122446.60224@delirium.eng.bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <19980328122446.60224@delirium.eng.bellsouth.net>; from Christian Kuhtz on Sat, Mar 28, 1998 at 12:24:46PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, I am not only seeing this during the install, also later on.. the only thing that actually does work is the old fashioned ppp0 via pppd. This is irritating. What happened? Chris On Mar 28, Christian Kuhtz wrote: > > Errr.. 2.2.5-RELEASE boot.flp worked flawlessly over here when trying to install > via PPP.. this is what happens under 2.2.6-RELEASE: > > ppp ON schizophrenia> Packet mode. > PPP ON schizophrenia> Error: SetIpDevice: ioctl(SIOCAIFADDR): Destination address required > Error: IPcpLayerUp: unable to set ip address > > Anyone have similiar experiences or knows a workaround? -- Christian Kuhtz (770) 522-4000 BellSouth.net Sr. Network Architect I speak only for myself, and my opinion belongs to me. Atlanta, GA, U.S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 29 19:26:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02190 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:26:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cam.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01908; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:26:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA) Received: from Shevchenko.Kiev.UA (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cam.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA06899; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 16:34:40 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <351E4DDC.7080BFE3@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 16:34:25 +0300 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@grad.kiev.ua Organization: GlavAPU X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gianmarco Giovannelli CC: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: program to add users via web ... References: <351E0FE6.697349A9@giovannelli.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gianmarco Giovannelli wrote: > Is there anyone that use/know a program to add users via web pages > (password and login chosen by me:-) ? > http://cam.grad.kiev.ua/~rssh/admin/admin.html 0.96p1 is the latest stable. It is uses, without problem on few machines in our local network. Please, send me any comments and suggestions. > Please reply directly to me too ... > > -- > > Regards... > > Gianmarco > "Unix expert since yesterday" > > http://www.giovannelli.it > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- @= //RSSH mailto:Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 29 19:28:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02854 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:28:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA02792 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:28:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA32364 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG); Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:53:57 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id UAA07113; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:17:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199803291817.UAA07113@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: getting netatalk to work on 2.2.5R In-Reply-To: from John Fieber at "Mar 27, 98 10:22:10 pm" To: jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:17:58 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As John Fieber wrote... > On Fri, 27 Mar 1998, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > Has anyone succeeded in getting netatalk to work on FreeBSD 2.2.5R? I've > > been figgling around without much luck. > > There are some post-release patches which are essential. Check > the errata page on www.freebsd.org/releases. Right.. My mistake. I only applied the patches that are on the netatalk www site. It seems there are multiple patches around, some for the kernel code, some for netatalk itself. Interestingly enough I can now run an unpatched netatalk 1.4b2, having applied the kernel patches. There is unfortunately a side effect of the kernel patches: they break fddi support: cc -c -O -pipe -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DUKKEYMAP -DIPDIVERT -DFIFO -DCOM_BIDIR -DTCP_COMPAT_42 -DCOMPAT_43 -DNFS -DFFS -DNETATALK -DINET -Di486 -DKERNEL ../../net/if_fddisubr.c ../../net/if_fddisubr.c: In function `fddi_output': ../../net/if_fddisubr.c:233: too many arguments to function `at_ifawithnet' *** Error code 1 Stop. I hope to find time to fix this, apparantly the patches break some interface inside the kernel. Can some kind soul check if this is fixed in 2.2.6R already? Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl -------------------------------------------------- Powered by FreeBSD ------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 29 19:34:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05343 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:34:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA04983 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:34:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA02975; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:13:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:13:04 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Wilko Bulte cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: getting netatalk to work on 2.2.5R In-Reply-To: <199803291817.UAA07113@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Wilko Bulte wrote: > I hope to find time to fix this, apparantly the patches break some > interface inside the kernel. Can some kind soul check if this is fixed > in 2.2.6R already? The netatalk port works "out-of-the-box" on and "out-of-the-box" 2.2.6 system. -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 29 19:37:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01567 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 02:59:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au [129.78.129.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA01556 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 02:59:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dawes@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au) Received: (from dawes@localhost) by rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) id UAA27256; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:58:53 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980329205853.30666@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:58:53 +1000 From: David Dawes To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Australias CVSup server? References: <199803260039.LAA25420@cain.gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199803260039.LAA25420@cain.gsoft.com.au>; from Daniel O'Connor on Thu, Mar 26, 1998 at 11:09:52AM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Mar 26, 1998 at 11:09:52AM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: >I am trying to cvsup from cvsup.au.freebsd.org but I keep gett access denied >messages :( >Any idea why? There was a problem related to upgrading cvsupd to 15.3. It should be fixed now. Contact me directly if you find further problems with it. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 29 20:02:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA15269 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:02:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA14738 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:00:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from giffunip@asme.org) Received: from giffuni.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.38]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA6210 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:02:27 +0500 Message-ID: <351E8BE9.41C67EA6@asme.org> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:59:05 -0500 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Organization: U. Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Navigating in NIST + clustering Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Howdy; I was around NIST and I noticed their POSIX validation suite is now available online, and there are some resources for parallel processing also under FreeBSD also: ____________ Conforming Test suites: (including POSIX) http://www.itl.nist.gov/div897/ctg/software.htm Parallel Processing: http://www.itl.nist.gov/div895/sasg/parallel/index.html#software ____________ There should be a parallel-FreeBSD list to coordinate with PVM and MPICH users possible ports of Stanford's SUIF and UIUC's Pablo projects... SUIF: http://www-suif.stanford.edu/suif/NCI/suif.html Pablo: http://www-pablo.cs.uiuc.edu/ (look at their new server) If further motivation is required look at what Linux does: http://SAL.KachinaTech.COM/C/ I'd really like to see more of this in FreeBSD, (hmm..I only have one box though ;-). cheers, Pedro. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 29 20:17:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09047 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:46:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08239; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:44:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08544; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:03:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd008530; Sun Mar 29 13:03:41 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA26785; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:03:40 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199803292003.NAA26785@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: program to add users via web ... To: gmarco@giovannelli.it (Gianmarco Giovannelli) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:03:40 +0000 (GMT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <351E0FE6.697349A9@giovannelli.it> from "Gianmarco Giovannelli" at Mar 29, 98 09:09:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Is there anyone that use/know a program to add users via web pages > (password and login chosen by me:-) ? > > Please reply directly to me too ... ldap2html? 8-) 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 29 20:18:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08429 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:45:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from androcles.com (root@androcles.com [204.57.240.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA07830 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:42:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@androcles.com) Received: (from dhh@localhost) by androcles.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA04419; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 06:27:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199803281601.JAA03060@mt.sri.com> Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 06:25:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Duane H. Hesser" To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: Setting time from bios Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, Dan Nelson , dennis Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 28-Mar-98 Nate Williams wrote: >> >> Our servers run rather fast >... >> Why do I need to run "yet another deamon" on my servers when I have a >> perfectly accurate clock in the machine? > >Because you don't have a perfectly accurate clock in the machine. :) > >You can tweak with the settings to try and figure out which timer in the >system generates more accurate time. Bruce posted about this a long time >ago, so it's probably in the archives. It should be documented >somewhere (if it is, it should be documented somewhere more obvious). :) http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/pubs/hownist/howpcc.html -------------- Duane H. Hesser dhh@androcles.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 29 20:18:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08356 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:45:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zuul.covalent.net (ns1.covalent.net [208.214.56.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA07845 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:42:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randy@covalent.net) Received: from sierra.covalent.net (sierra [208.214.58.10]) by zuul.covalent.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA14410; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:47:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from randy@Covalent.NET) Received: (from randy@localhost) by sierra.covalent.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id UAA09527; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:47:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from randy) To: dk+@ua.net Cc: ulf@Alameda.net (Ulf Zimmermann), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: multi-port ethernet cards References: <199803281057.CAA00434@dog.farm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Randy Terbush Date: 29 Mar 1998 20:47:57 -0600 In-Reply-To: Dmitry Kohmanyuk's message of "Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:57:46 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Diamond" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a ZX314 that seems to work fine in a 2.2.6 box but does not work in 3.0 SMP machine. Can anyone else explain or confirm this? "Doesnt' work" = detected, can ping local port, but cannot route packets to other machines on the network. Dmitry Kohmanyuk writes: > In article <199803231942.LAA21699@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> you wrote: > > > Does anyone know of any multi-port ethernet (10baseT) cards that > > > are supported? > > > Or that might easily become supported? > > > > > > http://www.zynx.com/ > > correction here - www.znyx.com ... > > > I have the ZX-314 and works great with FreeBSD (4 port card). Adaptec/Cogent > > makes one too, which is supported as far I know. > > I use ZX314 too, and it works great. This is the same card used in > NetApp NFS servers btw. Here is a dmesg: > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 29 20:18:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08647 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:45:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nntp1.interworld.net (nntp.interworld.net [206.117.63.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08135 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:43:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pete@nntp1.interworld.net) Received: (from pete@localhost) by nntp1.interworld.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA01765 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:17:21 -0800 (PST) From: Pete Carah Message-Id: <199803292217.OAA01765@nntp1.interworld.net> Subject: IRQ conflicts in PCI To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:17:20 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I ran into an interesting one trying to figure out why my news server was so slooooow - the config is INN 1.7.2-insync-1.1d (reputed to be fast, and it once was). On a careful inspection of the dmesg, I noticed that both SCSI channels and one of the NIC cards were all on one IRQ, and the other nic card, the vga, and the other scsi channel were on the other. On some boots the scsi channels both ended up on the same IRQ; this seems to be somewhat random... MB is IWILL P55XB2 (with the serial port bug :-( SCSI is a 3940UW with both channels in use. NICs are a SMC 21040 card and a Netgear 21141 card on a private link to the diablo server. I reconfig'd the bios to disable both serials and the printer since this is a dedicated news server anyhow, and it still refused to allocate any of these interrupt numbers to PCI - boooo. At least now I'm to the point where everything is separate except that the 100-base-t card ends up probed first on the same irq as the second scsi channel. Things look as if the first-probed units on the same irq get run polled; is this true? If so, would it be possible for the pci device-register code to queue the vectors so pci interrupt-sharing is possible (presuming that the hardware supports it; I'd hope so :-) (or does it already?) Somehow I get the feeling that there are no more iwill boards in my future, at least for a while (though I don't know if any of the others would be better with this set of cards)... -- Pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 29 22:10:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA19997 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:10:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA19962 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:10:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA12803; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 03:10:13 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199803300610.DAA12803@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: IP Routing To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 03:10:13 -0300 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Suppose I have a physical ethernet network with two (or more) logical IP networks above it. Suppose also I have the following machines attached to this physical network: Machine A: ifconfig fxp0 inet 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up route add -net 10.0.1.0 -netmask 255.255.255.0 -interface fxp0 Machine B: ifconfig fxp0 inet 10.0.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up route add -net 10.0.0.0 -netmask 255.255.255.0 -interface fxp0 Now, machine A can see machine B, over the same cable, with 1 hop distance; and vice-versa. Here's a tcpdump output from a test I've done here (real addresses changed for security reasons): arp who-has 10.0.0.1 tell 10.0.1.1 arp reply 10.0.0.1 is-at 0:a0:c9:5a:6d:45 10.0.1.1 > 10.0.0.1: icmp: echo request 10.0.0.1 > 10.0.1.1 icmp: echo reply 10.0.1.1 > 10.0.0.1: icmp: echo request 10.0.0.1 > 10.0.1.1 icmp: echo reply 10.0.1.1 > 10.0.0.1: icmp: echo request 10.0.0.1 > 10.0.1.1 icmp: echo reply 10.0.1.1 > 10.0.0.1: icmp: echo request 10.0.0.1 > 10.0.1.1 icmp: echo reply Now, why can't I do this on machine A ? route add default 10.0.1.1 I've taken a quick look at /sys/net/route.c and it seems to me that this case is not allowed. The gateway addr must be the other end a point2point interface or an address valid on a local interface address/netmask list. If I add an alias to machine B, like this: ifconfig fxp0 net 10.0.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 alias And change the route command on machine A to: route add default 10.0.0.2 Then it works. All this discussion come from a thread on the Brasilian FreeBSD list, on which a user wanted to do something similar to the above and said that it works on Linux, but cannot do the same on his FreeBSD box. I don't care if what he wants to do is the best thing or not (personally, I would never do such a think this way), but I can't see why it's wrong. The gateway is known, and is local to the interface. It's just not on the same subnet. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 29 23:11:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01116 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:11:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gala.tversu.ru (vadim@gala.tversu.ru [62.76.80.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01054 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:10:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vadim@gala.tversu.ru) Received: (from vadim@localhost) by gala.tversu.ru (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA19483; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:10:26 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <19980330111026.56764@tversu.ru> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:10:26 +0400 From: Vadim Kolontsov To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: C|Net about FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, probably you've already seen it, but anyway: http://www.cnet.com/Content/Reviews/Compare/AltOS/?dd Regards, V. -- Vadim Kolontsov Tver Internet Center NOC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 02:49:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA12263 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 02:49:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from albert.osu.cz (albert.osu.cz [195.113.106.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA12257 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 02:49:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from belkovic@albert.osu.cz) Received: from localhost (belkovic@localhost) by albert.osu.cz (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA01830 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:50:14 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:50:13 +0200 (MET DST) From: Josef Belkovics To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ipx frames In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does 2.2.6 support only ethernet_ii frame for ipx? Or there has been a change? Josef Belkovics To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 04:40:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA26952 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:40:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA26944 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:40:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA16548; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:39:00 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199803301239.OAA16548@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: ipx frames In-Reply-To: from Josef Belkovics at "Mar 30, 98 12:50:13 pm" To: belkovic@albert.osu.cz (Josef Belkovics) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:39:00 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Does 2.2.6 support only ethernet_ii frame for ipx? Or there has been a > change? > Nope, still only Ethernet_II. There are patches floating around for some of the others though. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 05:18:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA01330 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 05:18:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA01324 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 05:18:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@ivision.co.uk) Received: from julian by stingray.ivision.co.uk with local (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0yJeSh-0002zh-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:18:51 +0000 Subject: Quantum bigfoot 12Gig To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:18:51 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Julian Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think that this is the right list, rather than 'filesystems', apologies if this is off topic. Apologies also for the length of this email, but it would be pointless without the associated details. I have recently purchased a Quantum Bigfoot 12Gig drive, I admit that I was careless, and assumed that the drive would just work under FreeBSD. The problem appears to be that the number of cylinders is greater than FreeBSD 2.2.2 will cope with. I can if necessary upgrade to 2.2.5 although don't really want to unless that will actually resolve the problem. Disklabel from Quantum bigfoot # /dev/rwd2: type: ESDI disk: wd2s1 label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 63 tracks/cylinder: 16 sectors/cylinder: 1008 cylinders: 23361 sectors/unit: 23547888 rpm: 3600 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] c: 23547888 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 23360) >From the in core copy # /dev/rwd2: type: unknown disk: label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 63 tracks/cylinder: 16 sectors/cylinder: 1008 cylinders: 16383 sectors/unit: 16514064 rpm: 3600 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 3 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] c: 16514064 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 16382) Note that the cylinders are where the 'main' difference appears to lie. I have manually set my bios to the 'correct' figures, but if I let it autodetect then it gives the figures that FreeBSD comes up with. This is an exclusively FreeBSD system, and I don't need it to work with DOS, or any other OS. I do not need to boot off this disk. It is just there for storage purposes. I want/need to be able to use 12G of the disk, and not just the 8 that is on offer. I will keep playing, but on and off I have spent a week on this, and thus far to no avail. Julian Unix Admin, Internet Vision To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 05:41:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04535 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 05:41:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA04530 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 05:41:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA25026 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG); Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:41:41 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id AAA09140; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:06:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199803292206.AAA09140@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: getting netatalk to work on 2.2.5R In-Reply-To: from John Fieber at "Mar 29, 98 02:13:04 pm" To: jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:06:07 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As John Fieber wrote... > On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > I hope to find time to fix this, apparantly the patches break some > > interface inside the kernel. Can some kind soul check if this is fixed > > in 2.2.6R already? > > The netatalk port works "out-of-the-box" on and "out-of-the-box" > 2.2.6 system. Right. And for completeness sake, can you build kernels with # Digital DEFPA fddi controller device fpa0 pseudo-device fddi in the kernel config file? Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl -------------------------------------------------- Powered by FreeBSD ------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 06:09:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07171 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:09:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA07161 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:09:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA06911; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:09:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:09:03 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber Reply-To: John Fieber To: Wilko Bulte cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: getting netatalk to work on 2.2.5R In-Reply-To: <199803292206.AAA09140@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Wilko Bulte wrote: > As John Fieber wrote... > > The netatalk port works "out-of-the-box" on and "out-of-the-box" > > 2.2.6 system. > > Right. > > And for completeness sake, can you build kernels with > > # Digital DEFPA fddi controller > device fpa0 > pseudo-device fddi > > in the kernel config file? Lets see... [tapity, tap, tap. tap] [crunchity, crucnch, crunch, crunch] cc -c -O -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include -DMFS -DFFS -DNETATALK -DINET -DCOMPAT_43 -DFAILSAFE -DKERNEL ../../net/if_fddisubr.c ../../net/if_fddisubr.c: In function `fddi_output': ../../net/if_fddisubr.c:233: too many arguments to function `at_ifawithnet' *** Error code 1 Stop. Plonk. I guess a little investigation is in order. It may be trivial. Then again, it may not be. -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 06:23:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA09411 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:23:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ip126.directhost.net (ip126.directhost.net [209.67.132.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA09406 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:23:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rode@directhost.net) Received: from awd (ip123.directhost.net [209.67.132.123]) by ip126.directhost.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA08798 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:14:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <351FA9C6.4C7D07B2@directhost.net> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:18:47 -0800 From: Rod Ebrahimi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: security X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How is it possible to deny FTP users the priviledge to move or even see other users directories? IE... user: foobar, has the ftp home directory /home/foobar/ and accidently moves up a directory into the /home directpry although he/she may noot be able to cause any distruction how can I remedy this? Thank you... ROD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 06:36:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11365 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:36:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11358 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:36:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA25725; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:34:53 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA01943; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:35:28 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980330163413.26710@follo.net> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:34:13 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Rod Ebrahimi , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: security References: <351FA9C6.4C7D07B2@directhost.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <351FA9C6.4C7D07B2@directhost.net>; from Rod Ebrahimi on Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 06:18:47AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 06:18:47AM -0800, Rod Ebrahimi wrote: > How is it possible to deny FTP users the priviledge to move or even see > other users directories? IE... user: foobar, has the ftp home directory > /home/foobar/ and accidently moves up a directory into the /home > directpry although he/she may noot be able to cause any distruction how > can I remedy this? This should have gone to -questions. Put the user in /etc/ftpchroot. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 09:22:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04422 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:22:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from friley585.res.iastate.edu (friley585.res.iastate.edu [129.186.167.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04385 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:22:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley585.res.iastate.edu) Received: from friley585.res.iastate.edu (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by friley585.res.iastate.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03539 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:22:27 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley585.res.iastate.edu) Message-Id: <199803301722.LAA03539@friley585.res.iastate.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Virtual Interface Architecture Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:22:27 -0600 From: Chris Csanady Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For those of you unfamiliar, VIA is a spec for a low level network interface. It is designed to provide efficient high bandwidth, really low latency communication. We would like to use it in a clustering environment. More info is available at: http://www.viarch.org/. I may have some time in the future to work on implementing this, so I guess I was wondering if anyone currently working on it. I have not read the spec in great detail yet, but it does seem that it requires you to have real network hardware. For this, it seems that Myrinet would work well. Perhaps hippi as well, although I can't think of any others off the top of my head. Also, is anyone else interested in this, or have any opinions about the specification? Chris Csanady To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 09:48:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10662 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:48:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10543 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:48:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA04630; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:47:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:47:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: Chris Csanady cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture In-Reply-To: <199803301722.LAA03539@friley585.res.iastate.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG well, there is a via emulation written for linux by bozeman at LBL. You might see if he would let us have a look. app-app latency is 20 microseconds or so: good but not earth-shattering, UNET is already about there anyways. The via spec defines an API that if you conform to you can pretty much put anything underneath. For real low latency you need a hardware via interface. myrinet will be releasing one of these this summer. For whatever network you use, there have to be tags in the packets that allow hardware demux directly to an application or at least a memory area. As it happens, HIPPI is not that great this way: you have to put host memory addresses to tell the destination interface where to put the data. [IMHO, virtual memory addresses in packets are a really bad way to support hardware demux]. Believe it or not, one thing that is good is ATM, which we've shown in practice here by building a via-like interface for ATM (it's not via-compatible because we designed it about three years before intel, microsoft et. al. thought of via). If you think about it the ATM VCs can in fact define an application as an endpoint, not a host, unlike Ethernet. Of course, since the most common use of atm interfaces is to emulate ethernet (i.e. LANE), this application-endpoint use is not common :=) Unfortunately the ongoing ATM disaster (quick: what's the difference between the Titanic and ATM? your favorite punchline here. [[[ forget it. it's too easy to make the titanic look good compared to ATM]]]) will probably mean nobody ever builds via's based on ATM. But Myrinet will build good expensive VIAs; and there are other good expensive cards coming. It sure would be nice if we got to some good cheap cards at some point too: say, a VIA for 100bt that costs about 100 bucks. ron Ron Minnich |Java: an operating-system-independent, rminnich@sarnoff.com |architecture-independent programming language (609)-734-3120 |for Windows/95 and Windows/NT on the Pentium ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 10:40:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19046 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:40:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from friley585.res.iastate.edu (friley585.res.iastate.edu [129.186.167.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19035 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:40:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley585.res.iastate.edu) Received: from friley585.res.iastate.edu (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by friley585.res.iastate.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03732; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:40:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley585.res.iastate.edu) Message-Id: <199803301840.MAA03732@friley585.res.iastate.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Ron G. Minnich" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:47:24 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:40:14 -0600 From: Chris Csanady Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >well, there is a via emulation written for linux by bozeman at LBL. You >might see if he would let us have a look. app-app latency is 20 >microseconds or so: good but not earth-shattering, UNET is already about >there anyways. The via spec defines an API that if you conform to you can >pretty much put anything underneath. Do you have any more information on the work that Bozeman is doing at LBL? I would be interested in what his linux implementation looks like, and what kind of hardware he is using it on. I have looked at U-NET. Although it seems like a nice architecture, there doesn't appear to be much ongoing work. The tulip driver has not been updated in a long time, so it will not even useable on most newer tulip based cards. >For real low latency you need a hardware via interface. myrinet will be >releasing one of these this summer. For whatever network you use, there That should be good. :) I was under the impression that you could just write a custom MCP to provide for VIA though, and get the same results. >have to be tags in the packets that allow hardware demux directly to an >application or at least a memory area. As it happens, HIPPI is not that >great this way: you have to put host memory addresses to tell the >destination interface where to put the data. [IMHO, virtual memory >addresses in packets are a really bad way to support hardware demux]. Perhaps not. I really don't have any low level knowlege of hippi, I was just speculating.. >Believe it or not, one thing that is good is ATM, which we've shown in >practice here by building a via-like interface for ATM (it's not >via-compatible because we designed it about three years before intel, >microsoft et. al. thought of via). If you think about it the ATM VCs can >in fact define an application as an endpoint, not a host, unlike Ethernet. >Of course, since the most common use of atm interfaces is to emulate >ethernet (i.e. LANE), this application-endpoint use is not common :=) > >Unfortunately the ongoing ATM disaster (quick: what's the difference >between the Titanic and ATM? your favorite punchline here. [[[ forget it. >it's too easy to make the titanic look good compared to ATM]]]) will >probably mean nobody ever builds via's based on ATM. But Myrinet will >build good expensive VIAs; and there are other good expensive cards >coming. It sure would be nice if we got to some good cheap cards at some >point too: say, a VIA for 100bt that costs about 100 bucks. Yes, it really would be. So far, it looks like Gigabit ethernet is the only cheap/fast networking solution in the near future. Although, without a larger MTU, supporting VIA looks hopeless even on "good" hardware. :( Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 11:24:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26991 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:24:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA26970 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:24:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA05144; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:22:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:22:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: Chris Csanady cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture In-Reply-To: <199803301840.MAA03732@friley585.res.iastate.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG http://www.extremelinux.org/activities/wkshop01/presentations/via/, also contact is pbozeman@lbl.gov pat's code does have some unet bits and pieces i understand. But it works and works well. word is that gigabit ethernet frames grow to 9300 bytes soon. Of course that will have interesting impacts on systems, with pci transactions of about 2048 cycles. Could be fun. > That should be good. :) I was under the impression that you could just > write a custom MCP to provide for VIA though, and get the same results. I assume MCP here is the myrinet code. This has been tried, but the numbers I saw were not that great. Unet is not dead. I think unet should be tried by "someone" on freebsd. We actually put an entire separate switched ethernet onto our latest cluster here for things like unet, hoping ... btw, a question for hackers: how hard would it be to get 10 microseconds latency on the tcp stack as it stands? Yes, i know: "impossible". how impossible? ron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 11:34:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA00763 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:34:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coleridge.kublai.com (coleridge.kublai.com [207.96.1.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00745 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:34:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shmit@natasya.kublai.com) Received: from natasya.kublai.com (natasya.kublai.com [207.172.25.236]) by coleridge.kublai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24948 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:34:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from shmit@natasya.kublai.com) Received: (from shmit@localhost) by natasya.kublai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05895; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:34:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980330143431.00467@kublai.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:34:31 -0500 From: Brian Cully To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Objective C rules for /usr/share/mk Reply-To: shmit@kublai.com Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=jRHKVT23PllUwdXP X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i X-Sender: If your mailer pays attention to this, it's broken. X-PGP-Info: finger shmit@kublai.com for my public key. Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been tweaking around in /usr/share/mk that I might make Objective C programs with BSD make. The way things stand now, I have to add the following rules whenever I want to put together an ObjC program: CFLAGS= -I/usr/include/objc -Wno-import LDADD= -lobjc .SUFFIXES: .m .m.o: $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c $< I'd like to be able to strip those out entirely. I've managed to do so by some makefile hacking in share/mk, but I'm not sure if it's the right approach. The way things stand now, it looks as though the makefiles depend on some hard-coded behaviour in `make' and `cc'. Namely that `make' knows the default for compiling object files of various types, and that `cc' knows the appropriate include paths and links with the appropriate library at the linker step. The only place this isn't the case is in sys.mk, and I feel as though my patches will work just fine for that. One of the obvious problems with the patches I've made is that I've put the rules for .m.o in bsd.prog.mk, which doesn't seem appropriate, as I feel it's applicable for bsd.lib.mk as well, and there ought to be a place where I can define it once and not have to worry about it again. I've also defined the following variables: OBJC: the Objective C compiler OBJCINCLUDES: the include path for Objective C headers OBJCLIBS: libraries with which to link. These are all at the top of bsd.prog.mk, and once again, I don't feel as though they belong there. The patches are attached. -- Brian Cully ``And when one of our comrades was taken prisoner, blindfolded, hung upside-down, shot, and burned, we thought to ourselves, `These are the best experiences of our lives''' -Pathology (Joe Frank, Somewhere Out There) --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: Patches to make Objective C work. Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mk.patches" diff -cr mk/bsd.dep.mk mk.new/bsd.dep.mk *** mk/bsd.dep.mk Mon Mar 30 14:15:48 1998 --- mk.new/bsd.dep.mk Mon Mar 30 14:14:53 1998 *************** *** 55,60 **** --- 55,65 ---- ${CXXFLAGS:M-nostdinc*} ${CXXFLAGS:M-[BID]*} \ ${.ALLSRC:M*.cc} ${.ALLSRC:M*.C} ${.ALLSRC:M*.cxx} .endif + .if ${SRCS:M*.m} != "" + ${MKDEPCMD} -f ${DEPENDFILE} -a ${MKDEP} \ + ${OBJCCFLAGS:M-nostdinc*} ${CFLAGS:M-[BID]*} \ + ${OBJCFLAGS:M-Wno-import*} ${.ALLSRC:M*.m} + .endif .if target(_EXTRADEPEND) cd ${.CURDIR}; ${MAKE} _EXTRADEPEND .endif diff -cr mk/bsd.libnames.mk mk.new/bsd.libnames.mk *** mk/bsd.libnames.mk Mon Mar 30 14:15:48 1998 --- mk.new/bsd.libnames.mk Mon Mar 30 14:14:53 1998 *************** *** 43,48 **** --- 43,49 ---- LIBMYTINFO?= ${DESTDIR}/usr/lib/libmytinfo.a LIBNCURSES?= ${DESTDIR}/usr/lib/libncurses.a LIBOPIE?= ${DESTDIR}/usr/lib/libopie.a + LIBOBJC?= ${DESTDIR}/usr/lib/libobjc.a LIBPC?= ${DESTDIR}/usr/lib/libpc.a # XXX doesn't exist LIBPCAP?= ${DESTDIR}/usr/lib/libpcap.a LIBPLOT?= ${DESTDIR}/usr/lib/libplot.a # XXX doesn't exist diff -cr mk/bsd.prog.mk mk.new/bsd.prog.mk *** mk/bsd.prog.mk Mon Mar 30 14:15:48 1998 --- mk.new/bsd.prog.mk Mon Mar 30 14:29:26 1998 *************** *** 8,19 **** # Default executable format BINFORMAT?= aout ! .SUFFIXES: .out .o .c .cc .cxx .C .y .l .s .S CFLAGS+=${COPTS} ${DEBUG_FLAGS} .if defined(DESTDIR) CFLAGS+= -I${DESTDIR}/usr/include CXXINCLUDES+= -I${DESTDIR}/usr/include/g++ .endif .if !defined(DEBUG_FLAGS) --- 8,26 ---- # Default executable format BINFORMAT?= aout ! .SUFFIXES: .out .o .c .cc .cxx .m .C .y .l .s .S + OBJC?= cc CFLAGS+=${COPTS} ${DEBUG_FLAGS} + OBJCFLAGS+=${COPTS} ${DEBUG_FLAGS} -Wno-import + OBJCLIBS+=-lobjc + CXXFLAGS+=${COPTS} ${DEBUG_FLAGS} .if defined(DESTDIR) CFLAGS+= -I${DESTDIR}/usr/include CXXINCLUDES+= -I${DESTDIR}/usr/include/g++ + OBJCINCLUDES+= -I${DESTDIR}/usr/include/objc + .else + OBJCINCLUDES+= -I/usr/include/objc .endif .if !defined(DEBUG_FLAGS) *************** *** 28,33 **** --- 35,47 ---- .if defined(SRCS) OBJS+= ${SRCS:N*.h:R:S/$/.o/g} + + .if ${SRCS:M*.m} != "" + .m.o: + ${OBJC} ${OBJCFLAGS} -c ${.IMPSRC} + + LDADD+= ${OBJCLIBS} + .endif ${PROG}: ${OBJS} ${CC} ${CFLAGS} ${LDFLAGS} -o ${.TARGET} ${OBJS} ${LDDESTDIR} ${LDADD} diff -cr mk/sys.mk mk.new/sys.mk *** mk/sys.mk Mon Mar 30 14:15:48 1998 --- mk.new/sys.mk Mon Mar 30 14:14:53 1998 *************** *** 15,21 **** .if defined(%POSIX) .SUFFIXES: .o .c .y .l .a .sh .f .else ! .SUFFIXES: .out .a .ln .o .c .cc .cxx .C .F .f .e .r .y .l .S .s .cl .p .h .sh .endif .LIBS: .a --- 15,21 ---- .if defined(%POSIX) .SUFFIXES: .o .c .y .l .a .sh .f .else ! .SUFFIXES: .out .a .ln .o .c .cc .cxx .C .m .F .f .e .r .y .l .S .s .cl .p .h .sh .endif .LIBS: .a *************** *** 43,48 **** --- 43,51 ---- CXX ?= c++ CXXFLAGS ?= ${CXXINCLUDES} ${CFLAGS} + OBJC ?= cc + OBJCFLAGS ?= ${OBJCINCLUDES} ${CFLAGS} + CPP ?= cpp .if ${.MAKEFLAGS:M-s} == "" *************** *** 184,189 **** --- 187,195 ---- .cc.o .cxx.o .C.o: ${CXX} ${CXXFLAGS} -c ${.IMPSRC} + + .m.o: + ${OBJC} ${OBJCFLAGS} -c ${.IMPSRC} .p.o: ${PC} ${PFLAGS} -c ${.IMPSRC} --jRHKVT23PllUwdXP-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 12:07:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09082 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:07:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09073 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:07:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA13324; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:06:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:06:51 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: Brian Cully cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Objective C rules for /usr/share/mk In-Reply-To: <19980330143431.00467@kublai.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Brian Cully wrote: > I've been tweaking around in /usr/share/mk that I might make Objective > C programs with BSD make. > > The way things stand now, I have to add the following rules whenever > I want to put together an ObjC program: > > CFLAGS= -I/usr/include/objc -Wno-import > LDADD= -lobjc > > .SUFFIXES: .m > .m.o: > $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c $< Brian, you might not be aware that the make utility has compiled into it to read the startup file /usr/share/mk/sys.mk, but you're really not supposed to modify that. sys.mk sources in /etc/make.conf, and that's (/etc/make.conf) where local user modifications are expected to go. That's probably the source of some of the things you mentioned, that you supposed were compiled in. Take a look at /etc/make.conf, and customize to your hearts' content, but please leave sys.mk entirely alone (especially if you ever intend to compile the FreeBSD source tree). BTW, reading the files in /usr/share/mk is a good way to really learn makefile hacking. I'd recommend spending some time with bsd.port.mk. It's a real nest of every type of contortion possible ... not an example of beautiful makefiles, but a rich example of how to do fancy things with makefiles, and well worth some occaisonal browsing. > > I'd like to be able to strip those out entirely. I've managed to do > so by some makefile hacking in share/mk, but I'm not sure if it's the > right approach. > > The way things stand now, it looks as though the makefiles depend on > some hard-coded behaviour in `make' and `cc'. Namely that `make' knows > the default for compiling object files of various types, and that > `cc' knows the appropriate include paths and links with the appropriate > library at the linker step. > > The only place this isn't the case is in sys.mk, and I feel as though > my patches will work just fine for that. > > One of the obvious problems with the patches I've made is that I've > put the rules for .m.o in bsd.prog.mk, which doesn't seem appropriate, > as I feel it's applicable for bsd.lib.mk as well, and there ought to > be a place where I can define it once and not have to worry about it > again. > > I've also defined the following variables: > OBJC: the Objective C compiler > OBJCINCLUDES: the include path for Objective C headers > OBJCLIBS: libraries with which to link. > > These are all at the top of bsd.prog.mk, and once again, I don't feel > as though they belong there. > > The patches are attached. > > -- > Brian Cully > ``And when one of our comrades was taken prisoner, blindfolded, hung > upside-down, shot, and burned, we thought to ourselves, `These are the > best experiences of our lives''' -Pathology (Joe Frank, Somewhere Out There) > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 12:21:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12147 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:21:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bleep.ishiboo.com (user20555@bleep.ishiboo.com [206.64.4.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA12133 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:21:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from black@bleep.ishiboo.com) From: black@bleep.ishiboo.com Received: (qmail 7945 invoked by uid 1018); 30 Mar 1998 20:24:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19980330202416.19914.qmail@bleep.ishiboo.com> Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture In-Reply-To: from "Ron G. Minnich" at "Mar 30, 98 02:22:51 pm" To: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM (Ron G. Minnich) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:24:16 -0500 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > word is that gigabit ethernet frames grow to 9300 bytes soon. Of course they already have, actually. gigabit ethernet borrows a lot from fibre channel it seems, which i think can only improve ethernet. if you are thinking about gigabit ethernet, here is my experience: alteon NICs are bad, foundry networks and extreme networks switches are very good. i have yet to test any bay networks gigabit ethernet stuff but i was unimpressed by their accelar product at 100Mb. cisco, of course, isn't even in the race yet. ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 12:29:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13140 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:29:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from methi.lcs.mit.edu (root@methi.lcs.mit.edu [18.111.0.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13123 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:29:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from beng@methi.lcs.mit.edu) Received: from methi.lcs.mit.edu (beng@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by methi.lcs.mit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA02270; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:29:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803302029.PAA02270@methi.lcs.mit.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Navigating in NIST + clustering In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:59:05 EST." <351E8BE9.41C67EA6@asme.org> From: Benjamin Greenwald X-Sender: beng@lcs.mit.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:29:27 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > There should be a parallel-FreeBSD list to coordinate with PVM and MPICH > users possible ports of Stanford's SUIF and UIUC's Pablo projects... > > SUIF: > http://www-suif.stanford.edu/suif/NCI/suif.html SUIF? I've been running SUIF1 out-of-the-box on my RELENG_2_2 system for quite some time now. Granted, you don't get shared libraries, but that should be a simple Makefile hack. Since SUIF1 is no longer supported in any way, there's no point in trying to get an official patch for FreeBSD shared libraries into the distribution. SUIF2 on the other hand is a horse of a completely different color simply because it is so expensive in time and space to compile using g++. We run it here, but if we didn't have the SunPro compiler it would take over a week to compile SUIF2 w/ g++-2.8.1 (that's on an 170Mhz Ultra Sparc w/ 512Megs of RAM). Even with SunPro it takes half a day. Supposedly, the current SUIF2 alpha release can be compiled w/ the egcs project version of g++ which has slightly better template handling than stock g++, but the last time I tried compiling SUIF code w/ egcs, the compiler constantly crashed. Anyone willing to give a try can check out http://suif.stanford.edu for the SUIF source. egcs is of course in the ports tree. -Ben > > cheers, > Pedro. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 12:46:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17668 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:46:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coleridge.kublai.com (coleridge.kublai.com [207.96.1.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17512 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:45:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shmit@coleridge.kublai.com) Received: (from shmit@localhost) by coleridge.kublai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25413; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:45:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from shmit) Message-ID: <19980330154514.35130@kublai.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:45:14 -0500 From: Brian Cully To: Chuck Robey Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Objective C rules for /usr/share/mk Reply-To: shmit@kublai.com Mail-Followup-To: Chuck Robey , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980330143431.00467@kublai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Chuck Robey on Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 03:06:51PM -0500 X-Sender: If your mailer pays attention to this, it's broken. X-PGP-Info: finger shmit@kublai.com for my public key. Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 03:06:51PM -0500, Chuck Robey wrote: > Brian, you might not be aware that the make utility has compiled into it > to read the startup file /usr/share/mk/sys.mk, but you're really not > supposed to modify that. sys.mk sources in /etc/make.conf, and that's > (/etc/make.conf) where local user modifications are expected to go. That explains a lot of the behaviour I was seeing (I suppose I should have completely read the make man page before diving in). Thanks. > That's probably the source of some of the things you mentioned, that you > supposed were compiled in. Take a look at /etc/make.conf, and customize > to your hearts' content, but please leave sys.mk entirely alone > (especially if you ever intend to compile the FreeBSD source tree). I'm aware of the problems with modifying stuff in /usr/share/mk. What I'd like to see is having Objective C progs be compilable without /etc/make.conf mucking (as C++ does). Assuming I send-pr a good set of patches (the ones I've sent don't cut it), would they be commited, or should I not bother? -bjc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 13:09:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22529 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:09:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22499 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:08:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA13473; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:07:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:07:53 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: Brian Cully cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Objective C rules for /usr/share/mk In-Reply-To: <19980330154514.35130@kublai.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Brian Cully wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 03:06:51PM -0500, Chuck Robey wrote: > > Brian, you might not be aware that the make utility has compiled into it > > to read the startup file /usr/share/mk/sys.mk, but you're really not > > supposed to modify that. sys.mk sources in /etc/make.conf, and that's > > (/etc/make.conf) where local user modifications are expected to go. > > That explains a lot of the behaviour I was seeing (I suppose I should > have completely read the make man page before diving in). Thanks. > > > That's probably the source of some of the things you mentioned, that you > > supposed were compiled in. Take a look at /etc/make.conf, and customize > > to your hearts' content, but please leave sys.mk entirely alone > > (especially if you ever intend to compile the FreeBSD source tree). > > I'm aware of the problems with modifying stuff in /usr/share/mk. What > I'd like to see is having Objective C progs be compilable without > /etc/make.conf mucking (as C++ does). > > Assuming I send-pr a good set of patches (the ones I've sent don't cut > it), would they be commited, or should I not bother? Well, seeing as it really affects a smallish number of hackers, and makes modifications that some might object to .... I dunno, I think I would just make the changes locally. I'm putting out an opinion here, not a fact, so if you disagree, go ahead and send-pr it. It's likely to sit forever in the database, tho. It's just not something that's black and white correct, if you see what I mean. > > -bjc > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 13:39:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27560 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:39:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA27504 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:38:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA23325 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG); Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:38:25 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA00572; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:31:48 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199803302131.XAA00572@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: getting netatalk to work on 2.2.5R In-Reply-To: from John Fieber at "Mar 30, 98 09:09:03 am" To: jfieber@indiana.edu Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:31:48 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As John Fieber wrote... > On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > As John Fieber wrote... > > > The netatalk port works "out-of-the-box" on and "out-of-the-box" > > > 2.2.6 system. > > > > Right. > > > > And for completeness sake, can you build kernels with > > > > # Digital DEFPA fddi controller > > device fpa0 > > pseudo-device fddi > > > > in the kernel config file? > > Lets see... > [tapity, tap, tap. tap] > [crunchity, crucnch, crunch, crunch] > > cc -c -O -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit > -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes > -Wpointer-arith -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include -DMFS > -DFFS -DNETATALK -DINET -DCOMPAT_43 -DFAILSAFE -DKERNEL > ../../net/if_fddisubr.c > ../../net/if_fddisubr.c: In function `fddi_output': > ../../net/if_fddisubr.c:233: too many arguments to function > `at_ifawithnet' > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > > Plonk. I guess a little investigation is in order. It may be > trivial. Then again, it may not be. I'm not a network guru, but I hacked around in if_fddisubr.c along the lines set by the patches for if_ethersubr.c: bash# diff if_fddisubr.c.orig if_fddisubr.c 230a231 > * see comments in if_ethersubr.c XXX 232,234c233,234 < if ((aa = (struct at_ifaddr *)at_ifawithnet( < (struct sockaddr_at *)dst, ifp->if_addrlist)) < == 0) --- > aa = (struct at_ifaddr *) at_ifawithnet((struct sockaddr_at *)dst); > if ( aa == NULL ) { 235a236 > } This gives me both a working fddi and a working netatalk environment. I'd appreciate a second opinion of a network knowledgeable person. If it is an acceptable hack, I'll send-pr a diff. BTW this is 2.2.5R based, but probably fits is 2.2.6R as well. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl -------------------------------------------------- Powered by FreeBSD ------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 13:48:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29000 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:48:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aaka.3skel.com (aaka.3skel.com [207.240.212.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28866 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:47:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danj@3skel.com) Received: from fnur.3skel.com (fnur.3skel.com [192.168.0.8]) by aaka.3skel.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id QAA02639; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:47:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from 3skel.com (localhost.3skel.com [127.0.0.1]) by fnur.3skel.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with ESMTP id QAA01624; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:47:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35201303.527DEE59@3skel.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:47:47 -0500 From: Dan Janowski Organization: Triskelion Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: black@bleep.ishiboo.com CC: "Ron G. Minnich" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture References: <19980330202416.19914.qmail@bleep.ishiboo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG black@bleep.ishiboo.com wrote: > unimpressed by their accelar product at 100Mb. cisco, of course, isn't even > in the race yet. > Has Cisco bought a company to did gigabit ethernet yet? Seems that's their past strategy. (yuk yuk) Dan -- danj@3skel.com Dan Janowski Triskelion Systems, Inc. Bronx, NY To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 13:53:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00369 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:53:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bleep.ishiboo.com (user4082@bleep.ishiboo.com [206.64.4.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00284 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:53:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from black@bleep.ishiboo.com) From: black@bleep.ishiboo.com Received: (qmail 28483 invoked by uid 1018); 30 Mar 1998 21:56:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19980330215613.77.qmail@bleep.ishiboo.com> Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture In-Reply-To: <35201303.527DEE59@3skel.com> from Dan Janowski at "Mar 30, 98 04:47:47 pm" To: danj@3skel.com (Dan Janowski) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:56:12 -0500 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG indeed they have, granite was bought by cisco last year i believe. almost immediately cisco discovered that granite had nothing worth buying. back to the drawing board. > black@bleep.ishiboo.com wrote: > > > unimpressed by their accelar product at 100Mb. cisco, of course, isn't even > > in the race yet. > > > > Has Cisco bought a company to did gigabit ethernet yet? Seems that's their > past strategy. (yuk yuk) > > Dan > > > -- > danj@3skel.com > Dan Janowski > Triskelion Systems, Inc. > Bronx, NY > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 13:53:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00381 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:53:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terror.hungry.com ([199.181.107.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00335 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:53:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fn@pain.Hungry.COM) Received: (from fn@localhost) by terror.hungry.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) id NAA25153; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:53:01 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Objective C rules for /usr/share/mk References: <19980330143431.00467@kublai.com> <19980330154514.35130@kublai.com> From: Faried Nawaz Date: 30 Mar 1998 13:53:01 -0800 In-Reply-To: shmit@kublai.com's message of 30 Mar 1998 13:16:10 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG shmit@kublai.com (Brian Cully) writes: I'd like to see is having Objective C progs be compilable without /etc/make.conf mucking (as C++ does). I'd like to see this as well, especially since there are gnome (or was it just gtk+?) objc bindings. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 14:13:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03845 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:13:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bouncer.lucasdigital.com (bouncer.lucasdigital.com [207.1.122.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA03832 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:13:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mkiernan@lucasdigital.com) Received: by bouncer.lucasdigital.com; id OAA26617; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:18:45 -0800 Received: from malone.kerner.com(10.5.15.15) by bouncer.lucasdigital.com via smap (3.2) id xma026585; Mon, 30 Mar 98 14:18:31 -0800 Received: from localhost by lucasdigital.com (8.6.9/931112-/NEWHUB) id OAA28408; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:16:16 -0800 Received: (from mkiernan@localhost) by moana.kerner.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA16868; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:12:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:12:34 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Kiernan Message-Id: <199803302212.OAA16868@moana.kerner.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: danj@3skel.com Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980330202416.19914.qmail@bleep.ishiboo.com> <35201303.527DEE59@3skel.com> Versions: dmail (irix) 2.1m/makemail 2.8o Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Has Cisco bought a company to did gigabit ethernet yet? Seems that's their >past strategy. (yuk yuk) They bought Granite Systems a while back, but it doesn't appear to have produced anything. Mike -- Michael Kiernan, Systems R&D, ILM mkiernan@kerner.com +415-721-3284 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 14:21:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04995 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:21:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coleridge.kublai.com (coleridge.kublai.com [207.96.1.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04910 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:21:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shmit@coleridge.kublai.com) Received: (from shmit@localhost) by coleridge.kublai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26042; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:20:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from shmit) Message-ID: <19980330172051.50583@kublai.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:20:51 -0500 From: Brian Cully To: Chuck Robey Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Objective C rules for /usr/share/mk Reply-To: shmit@kublai.com Mail-Followup-To: Chuck Robey , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980330154514.35130@kublai.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Chuck Robey on Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 04:07:53PM -0500 X-Sender: If your mailer pays attention to this, it's broken. X-PGP-Info: finger shmit@kublai.com for my public key. Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 04:07:53PM -0500, Chuck Robey wrote: > Well, seeing as it really affects a smallish number of hackers, and > makes modifications that some might object to .... I dunno, I think I > would just make the changes locally. I'm putting out an opinion here, > not a fact, so if you disagree, go ahead and send-pr it. It's likely to > sit forever in the database, tho. It's just not something that's black > and white correct, if you see what I mean. I don't think the changes are obtrusive to anything else, just an additional feature. Given that I don't see any reason not to have them in there, after all, we do C++. I've submitted new patches via send-pr (the new ones are much prettier :)), anyone interested in them can find them there. -bjc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 14:21:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05095 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:21:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bouncer.lucasdigital.com (bouncer.lucasdigital.com [207.1.122.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA04996 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:21:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mkiernan@lucasdigital.com) Received: by bouncer.lucasdigital.com; id OAA27430; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:26:52 -0800 Received: from malone.kerner.com(10.5.15.15) by bouncer.lucasdigital.com via smap (3.2) id xma027415; Mon, 30 Mar 98 14:26:47 -0800 Received: from localhost by lucasdigital.com (8.6.9/931112-/NEWHUB) id OAA28950; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:24:32 -0800 Received: (from mkiernan@localhost) by moana.kerner.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA16951; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:20:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:20:51 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Kiernan Message-Id: <199803302220.OAA16951@moana.kerner.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: black@bleep.ishiboo.com Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: Versions: dmail (irix) 2.1m/makemail 2.8o Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> word is that gigabit ethernet frames grow to 9300 bytes soon. Of course > >they already have, actually. gigabit ethernet borrows a lot from fibre >channel it seems, which i think can only improve ethernet. I believe it borrows the encoding scheme as well as some of the physical layer for the SX and CX standards. >if you are thinking about gigabit ethernet, here is my experience: > >alteon NICs are bad, foundry networks and extreme networks switches are very >good. i have yet to test any bay networks gigabit ethernet stuff but i was >unimpressed by their accelar product at 100Mb. cisco, of course, isn't even >in the race yet. I don't have any direct experience with the Alteon NICs, but I do know one site that is happily using them on their Sparc fileservers. What I've heard from some of the developers is that the gig-e NICs in general, not just the Alteon cards, place a large demand on the CPU, preventing throughput from reaching what you can get today with, for example, a PCI HiPPI NIC. They're working on optimizing the drivers and pushing more functionality onto the hardware. If you've got a multi-processor system with spare cycles, as do the fileservers I mentioned above, it should work okay. In regards to switches, which Accelar box in particular are you referring to, and what problems did you find with it? If you are referring to the Accelar 100 (I think it was originally called something like SwitchNode), which only did 10/100 Mbps, it was not designed by the same company that built the current Accelar product line (Rapid City). The current Accelar products (1100, 1150, 1200, and 1250) are a different ball of wax all together. I've tested both the Foundry and the Bay Networks equipment and found both to perform well. The main difference at the time we were looking into this was the form factor. All the Foundry gear had a small pizza box form factor, while the Accelar product line was limited to the 1200, a modular chassis- based unit. Since then Foundry has come out with their own chassis-based product, and Bay Networks has announceed the 1100 series. In regards to Extreme, although their box appeared promising when we talked to them, they ran into some problems with (of all things) their 100baseTX ports and were unable to provide us with any hardware to test. Mike -- Michael Kiernan, Systems R&D, ILM mkiernan@kerner.com +415-721-3284 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 15:04:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15492 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:04:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA15036 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:02:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA13768; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:01:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:01:59 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: Brian Cully cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Objective C rules for /usr/share/mk In-Reply-To: <19980330172051.50583@kublai.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Brian Cully wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 04:07:53PM -0500, Chuck Robey wrote: > > Well, seeing as it really affects a smallish number of hackers, and > > makes modifications that some might object to .... I dunno, I think I > > would just make the changes locally. I'm putting out an opinion here, > > not a fact, so if you disagree, go ahead and send-pr it. It's likely to > > sit forever in the database, tho. It's just not something that's black > > and white correct, if you see what I mean. > > I don't think the changes are obtrusive to anything else, just an additional > feature. Given that I don't see any reason not to have them in there, after > all, we do C++. > > I've submitted new patches via send-pr (the new ones are much prettier :)), > anyone interested in them can find them there. Sounds fine, I'll see them then. I was somewhat concerned if they were biased towards one implementation (GNU's Objective C versus objc, for example). > > -bjc > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 15:08:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16555 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:08:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cyber3.servtech.com (root@cyber3.servtech.com [199.1.22.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16549 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:08:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from housley@pr-comm.com) Received: from pr-comm.com (root@prcomm.roc.servtech.com [204.181.3.14]) by cyber3.servtech.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA29358 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:08:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from pr-comm.com (housley@hatchling.int.pr-comm.com [192.168.70.48]) by pr-comm.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07961 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:08:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from housley@pr-comm.com) Message-ID: <3520260A.3410CE91@pr-comm.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:08:58 -0500 From: "James E. Housley" Organization: PR Communications, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Additions to anti-spam rules Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------36FC029AF5BDF4986E4CE6C5" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------36FC029AF5BDF4986E4CE6C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I added the following to sendmail.cf to prevent lookup into the realtime blackhole list for local mail, prevents dialing. The checking rules were added just before the RBL check rule in check_relay. Comments please Jim -- -------------------------------------------+------------------------- James E. Housley | PGP: 1024/03983B4D PR Communications, Inc. | 2C 3F 3A 0D A8 D8 C3 13 www.servtech.com/public/pr-comm | 7C F0 B5 BF 27 8B 92 FE --------------36FC029AF5BDF4986E4CE6C5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="sendmail.cf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="sendmail.cf" # An additional database with the local ips that you want to allow. # Same format and location as the deny datablases Kallowip hash -o -a.ALLOW /etc/mail/allowip.db Scheck_relay # called with "hostname.tld $| IP address" of connecting host. ... # ip address is defined as LOCAL--BEGIN # # prevents me from dialing out to the net for local mail R$* $| $* $: $1 $| $(allowip $2 $) R$* $| $*.ALLOW $@ OK # ip address is defined as LOCAL--END # ip address must NOT be in Paul Vixie's RBL--BEGIN --------------36FC029AF5BDF4986E4CE6C5 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for James E. Housley Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: James E. Housley n: Housley;James E. org: PR Communications, Inc. adr: 465 Blossom Road;;;Rochester;New York;14610-0725;USA email;internet: housley@pr-comm.com title: Design Engineer tel;work: (716) 288-7900 tel;fax: (716) 288-7909 x-mozilla-cpt: pr-comm.com;2 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------36FC029AF5BDF4986E4CE6C5-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 15:21:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19947 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:21:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19784 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:21:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA13875; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:16:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd013872; Mon Mar 30 23:16:18 1998 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:11:29 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: John Fieber cc: Wilko Bulte , FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: getting netatalk to work on 2.2.5R In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG it is trivial remove the extra un-needed arg and check the others.. use if_ethersubr as a guide. On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, John Fieber wrote: > On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > As John Fieber wrote... > > > The netatalk port works "out-of-the-box" on and "out-of-the-box" > > > 2.2.6 system. > > > > Right. > > > > And for completeness sake, can you build kernels with > > > > # Digital DEFPA fddi controller > > device fpa0 > > pseudo-device fddi > > > > in the kernel config file? > > Lets see... > [tapity, tap, tap. tap] > [crunchity, crucnch, crunch, crunch] > > cc -c -O -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit > -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes > -Wpointer-arith -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include -DMFS > -DFFS -DNETATALK -DINET -DCOMPAT_43 -DFAILSAFE -DKERNEL > ../../net/if_fddisubr.c > ../../net/if_fddisubr.c: In function `fddi_output': > ../../net/if_fddisubr.c:233: too many arguments to function > `at_ifawithnet' > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > > Plonk. I guess a little investigation is in order. It may be > trivial. Then again, it may not be. > > -john > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 15:22:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA20122 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:22:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from seagull.rtd.com (tony@seagull.rtd.com [198.102.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20092 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:22:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@rtd.com) Received: (from tony@localhost) by seagull.rtd.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA04585 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:22:15 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:22:15 -0700 (MST) From: Tony Jones Message-Id: <199803302322.QAA04585@seagull.rtd.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: help! scsi disk recovery question Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi I managed to (ahem) drop my system (just an inch - don't ask) while booting and it hung. Rebooted and I started to get MEDIUM scsi errors reported by the NCR controller on scsi id 3 (a 1GB Seagate Hawk ST31051N) Couldn't do anything to the disk, no dd of the device, no fsck with backup superblock, no newfs -N etc without getting the MEDIUM errors, a message about being unable to read the primary partition table and finally an I/O error. I also (ahem) don't have a recent backup of the data. I took the disk into work, hooked it upto a Sparc and tried to see what backup said about the drive. It complained it wasn't formatted and wouldn't do much else. Grown flaw table was empty. So, I hooked it to another PC with a 2940 and ran the scsi bios surface scan. It spared out the first block and passed the rest. Hooked it back upto the Sparc and it now saw a formatted but bogusly labelled disk. Took a look at the grown flaw table and there is now one flaw at cyl 0 head 0 bfi 0 The Sparc read-only surface scan passed OK too. At this point I was amazed. The disk is I believe "dangerously dedicated"? When I added it I just zeroed the first few blocks of the disk with 'dd' and did a 'disklabel -rw sd3 auto' (did it this way because I couldn't get FDISK to behave sensibly). The disklabel has partitions=8 with just c and h partitions defined (h=c=whole disk). So, I have two questions: 1) Can I recover the FS ? If so, what are the steps. 2) Could I have used FreeBSD tools to do what the Sparc and 2940 utilties did for me ? If so, which ones ? Yes I did RTFM, but nothing jumped out at me. Please CC me on a reply, as I only get the DIGEST. Thanks Tony To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 17:25:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18565 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:25:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18553; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:25:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199803310125.RAA18553@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Additions to anti-spam rules In-Reply-To: <3520260A.3410CE91@pr-comm.com> from "James E. Housley" at "Mar 30, 98 06:08:58 pm" To: housley@pr-comm.com (James E. Housley) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:25:15 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG James E. Housley wrote: > I added the following to sendmail.cf to prevent lookup into the realtime > blackhole list for local mail, prevents dialing. The checking rules > were added just before the RBL check rule in check_relay. > > Comments please looks like a good idea......wanna refine it further? in both 2.2.6 and current the rbl check has moved to check_mail rather then check_relay. n check_mail, its the client_addr that is checked against the RBL. the change was made btwn version 1.1 and 1.2 of the file. please update your version, there have been a number of impovements--we are now at 1.6 a context diff is easier for me to read. it looks like a good idea ;) jmb > > # An additional database with the local ips that you want to allow. > # Same format and location as the deny datablases > > Kallowip hash -o -a.ALLOW /etc/mail/allowip.db > > Scheck_relay > # called with "hostname.tld $| IP address" of connecting host. > ... > # ip address is defined as LOCAL--BEGIN > # > # prevents me from dialing out to the net for local mail > R$* $| $* $: $1 $| $(allowip $2 $) > R$* $| $*.ALLOW $@ OK > # ip address is defined as LOCAL--END > # ip address must NOT be in Paul Vixie's RBL--BEGIN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 20:08:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08488 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:08:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ninbox.ml.org (host77-38.airnet.net [209.64.77.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08456 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:08:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@ninbox.ml.org) Received: from ninbox.ml.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ninbox.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00731; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:07:32 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <35206C03.94436171@ninbox.ml.org> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:07:31 -0600 From: Kris Kirby Reply-To: kris@airnet.net Organization: Absolutely None! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Hay CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ipx frames References: <199803301239.OAA16548@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Hay wrote: > > > Does 2.2.6 support only ethernet_ii frame for ipx? Or there has been a > > change? > > > > Nope, still only Ethernet_II. There are patches floating around for > some of the others though. > > John > -- > John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message Actually, that isn't a bad thing, considering that Beame & Whiteside require Ethernet_II to run TCP/IP -- while using IPX/ODI drivers. (B & W is the only TCP/IP stack supported for Quake under DOS.) However, I do recall seeing output from tcpdump while I was shuttling data around with IPX. -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 21:14:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18702 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 21:14:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA18670 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 21:14:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yJtNR-0004kk-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:14:25 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA26258 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:14:32 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803310514.WAA26258@harmony.village.org> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Interest in... Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:14:32 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ..../usr/share/syscons/keymaps/us.ncd.kbd? I have an old NCD keyboard connected to a portable (the Libretto) and have worked out the scan codes for it to work with both X and syscons. It won't work with the BIOS very well (you can type letters, as those scan codes are the same, but many of the function keys are different than standard PC keyboards). Any interest in bloating the tree with this? However, there is one minor problem. There are two keys that seem to act as a "prefix" which changes the meaning of other keys. It appears from looking at the translation table in syscons.c that this is due to the scan codes being generated. So maybe I'll have to hack this at a very low level to get things working correctly. Too bad there is no way to set this state table from userland... That would make adding other, virtual keyboards much easier... Comments? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 30 22:13:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27779 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:13:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from giarc.net (giarc.net [206.185.8.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA27770 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:13:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from renrag@giarc.net) Received: (from renrag@localhost) by giarc.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id BAA02784 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 01:16:27 GMT Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 01:16:27 GMT From: renrag Message-Id: <199803310116.BAA02784@giarc.net> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: learning Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 05:08:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09611 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 05:08:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from enst.enst.fr (enst.enst.fr [137.194.2.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09588 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 05:08:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fenyo@email.enst.fr) Received: from email.enst.fr (email.enst.fr [137.194.168.17]) by enst.enst.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09389; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:07:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from hydre.enst.fr (hydre.enst.fr [137.194.168.41]) by email.enst.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12979; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:06:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from fenyo@localhost) by hydre.enst.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14994; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:06:49 +0200 (MET DST) To: "Ron G. Minnich" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-WWW: http://home.eowyn.fr.eu.org/~fenyo/documents/axel.html X-PGP-Key: finger alex@eowyn.fr.eu.org X-NIC-Handle: AF713 X-Whois: whois -h whois.internic.net fenyo X-Pager: 06-04-30-75-94 (for emergency only) Organization: Ecole Nationale Superieure des Telecommunications de Paris Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture References: From: fenyo@email.enst.fr (Alex Fenyo (eowyn)) Date: 31 Mar 1998 15:06:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Ron G. Minnich"'s message of Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:22:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Lines: 30 X-Mailer: Red Gnus v0.50/XEmacs 19.14 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Ron G. Minnich" writes: > btw, a question for hackers: how hard would it be to get 10 microseconds > latency on the tcp stack as it stands? Yes, i know: "impossible". how > impossible? One answer could be like this : To have a low software overhead, you need to have a zero-copy communication stack (even if you keep TCP/IP). For this purpose, the hardware need to directly access the process memory. Then the data area the user wants to send/receive must be wired. Only verifying that an area is already wired costs about 6 microsec on my P200. Wiring a short area with the standard MACH interface takes more than 100 microsec (this is mainly due to the lists of vm_entries/vm_objects the kernel has to follow). You can wire data at first use and decide not to wire it later, but you need to verify at each send/receive time that data are wired -> 6 microsec... Maybe you can go faster if you bypass the MACH interface, but you will have to write a lot of code to do this. You may also wire every memory area the process uses, at allocation time, but it will cost a lot of memory and affect performances for other processes. Moreover, I think keeping TCP/IP is not the best way to have performances with dedicated boards like Myrinet or others; people usually write a new stack and implement Berkeley sockets on it. For instance, they did it in the NOW project : fast sockets on top of active messages. People want sockets, not TCP/IP, I think... Alexandre Fenyo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 05:44:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA14237 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 05:44:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from didcot.nanoteq.co.za (didcot.nanoteq.co.za [196.37.91.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA14160 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 05:44:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roelof@didcot.nanoteq.co.za) Received: (from roelof@localhost) by didcot.nanoteq.co.za (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA01503 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:46:59 +0200 (SAT) From: Roelof Temmingh Message-Id: <199803311346.PAA01503@didcot.nanoteq.co.za> Subject: PCMCIA ethernet problem? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:46:59 +0200 (SAT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Regarding problems with PCMCIA controller / pccardd / Ethernetcard / FreeBSD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- If anyone can help me out with this problem I would be MOST grateful. If I made an obvious mistake, sorry for the junkmail... I have the following configuration: -Acer Extensa 355 notebook (P133MMX,32MBRAM) -Cirrus Logic PD672X PCMCIA controller (reported by FreeBSD at boottime) -Accton EN2216 PCMCIA ethernetcard I did the following: - Installed FreeBSD 2.2.6 from DOS partition. - Compiled and installed the PCCARD kernel (supplied) - edited the /etc/rc.conf file: - pccard_enable="YES" - pccard_mem="DEFAULT" - pccard_ifconfig="YES" - made sure /etc/pccard.conf is OK - started pccardd: pccardd -d (for debugging info) When I insert my pccard, I get the following message: date..blah....Card inserted, slot 0 ..............pccardd[41]: No card in database from ""("") So, I started playing around with pccardc. I killed the pccardd, and issued a pccardc dumpcis - and got the following output: Configuration data for card in slot 0 Tuple #1, code - 0xff (Terminator), length = 0 2 slots found I got the same results when the pccardd was running. I also played around with the settings in /etc/pccard.conf, changed interrupts, memory locations etc, but *nothing* is working. It seems to me (I might well be wrong of course) that the problems lies at the pccard controller - the Cirrus Logic. I cannot get the card information from the pccard, therefore it cannot be matched to an entry in the /etc/pccard.conf, and therefor it cannot ifconfig the interface. I also used other pccards (3com etherlink III, Psion Goldcard, SMC EliteCard) - no luck. I even reverted back to FreeBSD 2.2.5 - and had the same results. I d/l and installed the PAO package, same effect. I am at a dead end. If anyone can help me please do so! I can be reached at: roelof@nanoteq.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 06:20:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19527 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:20:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA19513 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:20:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA09087; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:13:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:13:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: Alex Fenyo cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 31 Mar 1998, Alex Fenyo wrote: > "Ron G. Minnich" writes: > > btw, a question for hackers: how hard would it be to get 10 microseconds > > latency on the tcp stack as it stands? Yes, i know: "impossible". how > > impossible? N.B.: I want tcp/ip. And i want the 10 microseconds. How do I get there? I'm not pretending to be reasonable. But 10 microseconds is 5K instructions at 500 Mhz, which is where we're going to be this summer. Surely we can do something useful in that time. After all, in the good old days, 5K instructions was more than enough to get something out a network interface. > To have a low software overhead, you need to have a zero-copy > communication stack (even if you keep TCP/IP). zero copy is the least of my worries though. it's clear that the MACH vm model is rather a problem for getting good throughput, so it has to go. I've already demonstrated to my satisfaction that I can by bypassing the VM system do the following: 1) system call to kernel 2) kernel figures out what to do 3) kernel calls function call to do it with valid pointers etc. This can be done in 1-2 microseconds. Now i have to get through tcp/ip. Any votes on whether I can get through in 4K instructions? Whatever happened to the infamous 30-instruction tcp inner loop? > Maybe you can go faster if you bypass the MACH interface, but > you will have to write a lot of code to do this. Not really. You just have to do some work in trap() > You may also wire every memory area the process uses, at allocation time, > but it will cost a lot of memory and affect performances for other > processes. not necessarily. > Moreover, I think keeping TCP/IP is not the best way to have performances > with dedicated boards like Myrinet or others; people usually > write a new stack and implement Berkeley sockets on it. For > instance, they did it in the NOW project : fast sockets on top > of active messages. People want sockets, not TCP/IP, I think... No, not in my neck of the woods. People want what tcp/ip does, they just want it to be faster. And it should be. Any good ideas out there? ron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 06:51:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26986 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:51:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cyber1.servtech.com (root@cyber1.servtech.com [199.1.22.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26850; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:50:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from housley@pr-comm.com) Received: from pr-comm.com (root@prcomm.roc.servtech.com [204.181.3.14]) by cyber1.servtech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21129; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from pr-comm.com (housley@hatchling.int.pr-comm.com [192.168.70.48]) by pr-comm.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA10728; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:36:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from housley@pr-comm.com) Message-ID: <3520FF7C.F95D00BC@pr-comm.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:36:44 -0500 From: "James E. Housley" Organization: PR Communications, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Repost/Refined of Additions to anti-spam rules Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------533CC0B2AFC39F00EE5DEA38" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------533CC0B2AFC39F00EE5DEA38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Attached is a context diff of the latest sendmail.cf.additions that I have ( through src-2.2.0671.gz). This rule is similar to the denyip execpt the file is a list of ips to allow, ie local machines. I wrote this rule to prevent dialing to the internet to check local to local mail. Comments still welcome. Jim -- -------------------------------------------+------------------------- James E. Housley | PGP: 1024/03983B4D PR Communications, Inc. | 2C 3F 3A 0D A8 D8 C3 13 www.servtech.com/public/pr-comm | 7C F0 B5 BF 27 8B 92 FE --------------533CC0B2AFC39F00EE5DEA38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="sendmail.cf.additions.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="sendmail.cf.additions.patch" *** sendmail.cf.additions.orig Mon Mar 9 09:31:06 1998 --- sendmail.cf.additions Tue Mar 31 09:26:48 1998 *************** *** 7,12 **** --- 7,13 ---- Kdenyip hash -o -a.REJECT /etc/mail/denyip.db Kfakenames hash -o -a.REJECT /etc/mail/fakenames.db Kspamsites hash -o -a.REJECT /etc/mail/spamsites.db + Kallowip hash -o -a.ALLOW /etc/mail/allowip.db # helper rulsesets; useful for debugging sendmail configurations # *************** *** 77,82 **** --- 78,88 ---- R$* $: $>3 foo@$1 R<$*> $*<@$*> $#error $: "451 Domain does not resolve" # Connecting Host must resolve--END + # ip address is defined as LOCAL--BEGIN + # prevents me from dialing out to the net for local mail + R$* $| $* $: $1 $| $(allowip $2 $) + R$* $| $*.ALLOW $@ OK + # ip address is defined as LOCAL--END # ip address must NOT be in Paul Vixie's RBL--BEGIN R$* $: $1 $: $(dequote "" $&{client_addr} $) R$* $: $>check_rbl $1 --------------533CC0B2AFC39F00EE5DEA38 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for James E. Housley Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: James E. Housley n: Housley;James E. org: PR Communications, Inc. adr: 465 Blossom Road;;;Rochester;New York;14610-0725;USA email;internet: housley@pr-comm.com title: Design Engineer tel;work: (716) 288-7900 tel;fax: (716) 288-7909 x-mozilla-cpt: pr-comm.com;2 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------533CC0B2AFC39F00EE5DEA38-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 07:31:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03633 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:31:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA03534 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:30:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA22544; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:54:48 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199803311354.PAA22544@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture To: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM (Ron G. Minnich) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:54:48 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: fenyo@email.enst.fr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Ron G. Minnich" at Mar 31, 98 09:13:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On 31 Mar 1998, Alex Fenyo wrote: > > "Ron G. Minnich" writes: > > > btw, a question for hackers: how hard would it be to get 10 microseconds > > > latency on the tcp stack as it stands? Yes, i know: "impossible". how > > > impossible? > > N.B.: I want tcp/ip. And i want the 10 microseconds. How do I get there? > I'm not pretending to be reasonable. But 10 microseconds is 5K > instructions at 500 Mhz, which is where we're going to be this summer. pinging through the loopback interface is now around 100 microseconds, round trip, on a 1yr-old P6-200 with perhaps 60ns DRAM . So i suspect we are not too far from it. Are you looking at 10us one-way on a single machine, or on a cluster, going through the net (in which case you also have the startup costs of the net interface, with its few microsecond's inter-frame gap on ethernet...) ? I know ping uses ICMP and not TCP (but the latter should be more optimized, although it goes through the socket layer). > Now i have to get through tcp/ip. Any votes on whether I can get through > in 4K instructions? Whatever happened to the infamous 30-instruction tcp > inner loop? on the send side i think it can be reasonably fast. On the receive side the only, minor, difficulty could be having to demux the incoming packet and find the right PCB -- but nothing so hard or time consuming. > > of active messages. People want sockets, not TCP/IP, I think... > > No, not in my neck of the woods. People want what tcp/ip does, they just > want it to be faster. And it should be. I assume you want the reliability that TCP gives you, but depending on the underlying network you might not need to implement it in the protocol stack. Probably you also want message boundaries to be preserved, something that TCP does not guarantee. And if you want to send different messages to different receivers, you would not like to pay the price of opening/closing a connection each time. Those are all good motivations for using sockets on a different transport if you have special needs for speed. After all porting simple programs from TCP to AF_UNIX sockets it's just a matter of a couple of lines of code, and if you build sockets on a different, very fast, protocol you should have very little trouble. cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 07:49:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06196 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:49:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iservern.teligent.se (iservern.teligent.se [194.17.198.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06159; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:49:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jakob@teligent.se) Received: from datorn.teligent.se (datorn.teligent.se [192.168.2.31]) by iservern.teligent.se (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA11467; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:48:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jakob@teligent.se) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:48:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Jakob Alvermark To: multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, emulation@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Printer? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA06176 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello. I've got an Epson Stylus Color 300, is it possible to use under FreeBSD? If yes, how? Replies to me directly, please. TIA! Jakob Alvermark ------------------------------------------------------- Teligent AB, P.O. Box 213, S-149 23 Nynäshamn, Sweden Telephone +46-(0)8 520 660 00 * Fax +46-(0)8 520 193 36 Direct +46-(0)8 520 660 32 * GSM +46-(0)70 792 16 57 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 08:03:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09596 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:03:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA09584 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:03:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA09673; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:58:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:58:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture In-Reply-To: <199803311354.PAA22544@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > Are you looking at 10us one-way > on a single machine, or on a cluster, going through the net (in > which case you also have the startup costs of the net interface, > with its few microsecond's inter-frame gap on ethernet...) ? The challenge number I put to the extreme linux conference was this: "from user-mode system call instruction to first bit on the wire, 10 microseconds". Why this? Well, UNET does it now, albeit in a somewhat ugly way. It would be far better to do it via TCP. > I assume you want the reliability that TCP gives you, but depending on > the underlying network you might not need to implement it in the protocol > stack. Probably you also want message boundaries to be preserved, > something that TCP does not guarantee. And if you want to send > different messages to different receivers, you would not like to pay > the price of opening/closing a connection each time. The problem is that if you do 'something other than tcp', you find in many cases that people recreate things like: sequence numbers retransmit see, e.g., the nfs-over-udp mess and the way it evolved. So, i want to skip that middle step (recreate tcp) and just go right to having a fast tcp. In fact, on the RP3, people who worked on that project told me that they added lost-packet checking in the software. This on an MP interconnect. anyway, the relation of this to -hackers is that it would be neat to see freebsd get to the challenge number soon. ron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 08:45:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17758 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:45:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov (gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17752 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:45:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cshenton@gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov) Received: from wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (WireHead.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.88]) by gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06647 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (from cshenton@localhost) by wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03543; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:45:33 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 2.2.6-STABLE perl5 port broken (or is it me)? From: Chris Shenton Date: 31 Mar 1998 11:45:33 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 54 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm on 2.2.6-STABLE from cvsup as of about 2 days ago. I was trying to build VNC, and it depends on Perl5.004.04, which the port's make dutifully tries to build but fails. I removed the sources and tried to make ports/lang/perl5 separatedly, but it dies in the same place: an undefined type "recno_t". I don't find this defined anywhere in the Perl5.004.04 sources. Is this a 2.2.6/ports problem? Or maybe some cruft from my old versions? I've been cvsupping for quite a while and maybe it's time to wipe'n'load but that just seems so WinDozey to me. Any advice appreciated. [...much compilation elided...] Making DB_File (dynamic) Writing Makefile for DB_File mkdir ../../lib/auto/DB_File cp DB_File.pm ../../lib/DB_File.pm AutoSplitting DB_File (../../lib/auto/DB_File) ../../miniperl -I../../lib -I../../lib ../../lib/ExtUtils/xsubpp -noprototypes -typemap ../../lib/ExtUtils/typemap -typemap typemap DB_File.xs >DB_File.tc && mv DB_File.tc DB_File.c cc -c -I/usr/local/include -O -DVERSION=\"1.15\" -DXS_VERSION=\"1.15\" -DPIC -fpic -I../.. DB_File.c DB_File.xs:132: parse error before `Value' DB_File.xs:132: warning: data definition has no type or storage class DB_File.xs:134: parse error before `zero' DB_File.xs:134: warning: data definition has no type or storage class DB_File.xs:135: `recno_t' undeclared here (not in a function) DB_File.xs:342: parse error before `GetRecnoKey' DB_File.c: In function `XS_DB_File_DELETE': DB_File.c:924: `recno_t' undeclared (first use this function) DB_File.c:924: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once DB_File.c:924: for each function it appears in.) DB_File.c: In function `XS_DB_File_EXISTS': DB_File.c:967: `recno_t' undeclared (first use this function) DB_File.c: In function `XS_DB_File_FETCH': DB_File.c:1008: `recno_t' undeclared (first use this function) DB_File.c: In function `XS_DB_File_STORE': DB_File.c:1057: `recno_t' undeclared (first use this function) DB_File.c: In function `XS_DB_File_NEXTKEY': DB_File.c:1140: `recno_t' undeclared (first use this function) DB_File.c: In function `XS_DB_File_del': DB_File.c:1384: `recno_t' undeclared (first use this function) DB_File.c: In function `XS_DB_File_get': DB_File.c:1429: `recno_t' undeclared (first use this function) DB_File.c: In function `XS_DB_File_put': DB_File.c:1475: `recno_t' undeclared (first use this function) DB_File.c: In function `XS_DB_File_seq': DB_File.c:1583: `recno_t' undeclared (first use this function) *** Error code 1 Stop. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 08:56:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20038 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:56:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from itesec.hsc.fr (root@itesec.hsc.fr [192.70.106.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20031 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:56:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pb@hsc.fr) Received: from mars.hsc.fr (pb@mars.hsc.fr [192.70.106.44]) by itesec.hsc.fr (8.8.8/8.8.5/itesec-1.12-nospam) with ESMTP id SAA18359; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:55:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from pb@localhost) by mars.hsc.fr (8.8.5/8.8.5/pb-19970301) id SAA28362; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:55:46 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980331185545.KC05138@mars.hsc.fr> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:55:45 +0200 From: Pierre.Beyssac@hsc.fr (Pierre Beyssac) To: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM (Ron G. Minnich) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture References: <199803311354.PAA22544@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> X-Mailer: Mutt 0.59.1e Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: ; from Ron G. Minnich on Mar 31, 1998 10:58:59 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Ron G. Minnich: > The challenge number I put to the extreme linux conference was this: > "from user-mode system call instruction to first bit on the wire, 10 > microseconds". ... > anyway, the relation of this to -hackers is that it would be neat to see > freebsd get to the challenge number soon. Just to get an idea of how fast it is currently, as an exercise, did anybody try to measure how long it takes in 2.2.5 or -current on a relatively fast machine ? As a second exercise :-), how much does the TCP header prediction stuff save us (IIRC it's only used when receiving packets, so that doesn't apply to your challenge) ? -- Pierre.Beyssac@hsc.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 09:20:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25148 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:20:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from friley585.res.iastate.edu (friley585.res.iastate.edu [129.186.167.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25070 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:20:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley585.res.iastate.edu) Received: from friley585.res.iastate.edu (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by friley585.res.iastate.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07492; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:20:15 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley585.res.iastate.edu) Message-Id: <199803311720.LAA07492@friley585.res.iastate.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: fenyo@email.enst.fr (Alex Fenyo (eowyn)) cc: "Ron G. Minnich" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture In-reply-to: Your message of "31 Mar 1998 15:06:41 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:20:14 -0600 From: Chris Csanady Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >"Ron G. Minnich" writes: >> btw, a question for hackers: how hard would it be to get 10 microseconds >> latency on the tcp stack as it stands? Yes, i know: "impossible". how >> impossible? > >One answer could be like this : > >To have a low software overhead, you need to have a zero-copy >communication stack (even if you keep TCP/IP). For this purpose, the >hardware need to directly access the process memory. Then the data >area the user wants to send/receive must be wired. Only verifying that >an area is already wired costs about 6 microsec on my P200. Wiring a >short area with the standard MACH interface takes more than 100 >microsec (this is mainly due to the lists of vm_entries/vm_objects the kernel >has to follow). You can wire data at first use and decide not to wire >it later, but you need to verify at each send/receive time that >data are wired -> 6 microsec... This really has nothing to do with TCP though. The socket interface is just too limited with respect to memory management. There is no reason why you could not pre-wire a chunk of memory, and still use TCP. This approach has the potential of being very fast. Perhaps an interesting thing to try would be to layer a VIA interface above TCP, or something similar. [more vm related stuff deleted] >Moreover, I think keeping TCP/IP is not the best way to have performances >with dedicated boards like Myrinet or others; people usually >write a new stack and implement Berkeley sockets on it. For >instance, they did it in the NOW project : fast sockets on top >of active messages. People want sockets, not TCP/IP, I think... As someone else mentioned, Van Jacobson has gotten the fast path case down to ~30 instructions for TCP processing on the receive side. If we could get around all the complex memory management using something like above, it should perform fairly well. Chris Csanady To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 09:25:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27119 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:25:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA27051 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:25:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA10159; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:25:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:25:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture In-Reply-To: <19980331185545.KC05138@mars.hsc.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The interesting thing is: you're going to need a scope or logic analyzer. Here's how you can do it though. you need an mmap'able device. Map the device in. Have your program write to the device memory and then call the send() system call. You also need the scope on your ethernet. Watch for the bits to appear. Measure time difference. It's a bit difficult to set up, but worth it. ron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 09:28:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28100 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:28:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA27894 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:27:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA10171; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:26:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:26:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture In-Reply-To: <199803311720.LAA07492@friley585.res.iastate.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > As someone else mentioned, Van Jacobson has gotten the fast path case > down to ~30 instructions for TCP processing on the receive side. If > we could get around all the complex memory management using something like > above, it should perform fairly well. This has been mentioned, starting ca. 1990. Has anyone seen the code? nowadays when I bring this up people shrug their shoulders in disbelief. Kind of a shame. ron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 09:30:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28974 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:30:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA28852 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:30:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yK4Sz-0002OA-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:04:53 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:04:52 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Chris Shenton cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.6-STABLE perl5 port broken (or is it me)? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 31 Mar 1998, Chris Shenton wrote: > same place: an undefined type "recno_t". I don't find this defined > anywhere in the Perl5.004.04 sources. Of course. It is defined in /usr/include/db.h Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 09:54:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04611 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:54:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04570; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:54:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199803311754.JAA04570@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture In-Reply-To: from "Ron G. Minnich" at "Mar 31, 98 12:26:57 pm" To: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM (Ron G. Minnich) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:54:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ron G. Minnich wrote: > > As someone else mentioned, Van Jacobson has gotten the fast path case > > down to ~30 instructions for TCP processing on the receive side. If > > we could get around all the complex memory management using something like > > above, it should perform fairly well. > > This has been mentioned, starting ca. 1990. Has anyone seen the code? > nowadays when I bring this up people shrug their shoulders in disbelief. > Kind of a shame. yes, i have seen the code....its referenced from one of stevens books, if memory serves. A.....nailed it! thank you dejanews. Subject: Re: how to get an old posting... From: rstevens@noao.edu (W. Richard Stevens) Date: 1995/08/05 Message-ID: <400ndt$1j6@noao.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip [Subscribe to comp.protocols.tcp-ip] [More Headers] Article Segment 1 of 3 (Get All 3 Segments) > I am studying about TCP/IP and came across the following reference which > is an article posted on usenet group comp.protocols.tcp-ip in 1993. > I am wondering how I can access this posting. Is there an archive > somewhere from where I can ftp or the only resort is to contact the author? I've never found a complete archive of this newsgroup--is anyone aware of such a beast? > Partridge, C. 1993, "Jaconson on TCP in 30 instructions", > Message-ID <1993Sept8.213239.28992@sics.se>, > Usenet, comp.protocols.tcp-ip Newsgroup (Sept). Here is the article that Craig posted. Rich Stevens that should give you enough to find it. the url that i got is: http://x5.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=107566328.1&CONTEXT=891366636.900530773&hitnum=1 ld [%i0+4],%l3 ! load packet tcp header fields ld [%i0+8],%l4 ld [%i0+12],%l2 ld [%i0+16],%l0 ld [%i1+72],%o0 ! compute header checksum addcc %l3,%o0,%o3 addxcc %l4,%o3,%o3 addxcc %l2,%o3,%o3 addxcc %l0,%o3,%o3 sethi %hi(268369920),%o1 ! check if hdr. pred possible andn %l2,%o1,%o1 ld [%i1+60],%o2 cmp %o1,%o2 bne L1 ld [%i1+68],%o0 cmp %l3,%o0 bne L1 addcc %i2,-20,%i2 bne,a L3 ld [%i1+36],%o0 ! packet error or ack processing ... L3: cmp %l4,%o0 bne L1 add %i0,20,%o0 mov %i2,%o1 call _in_uiomove,0 mov %i3,%o2 cmp %o0,0 be L6 add %l3,%i2,%l3 ! checksum error or user buffer error ... L6: ld [%i1+96],%o0 subcc %l3,%o0,%g0 bneg L7 st %l3,[%i1+68] ! send ack ... br L8 L7: ! free pbuf ... L8: ! done with this packet - continue ... L1: ! hdr pred. failed - do it the hard way jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 09:57:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05186 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:57:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA05148 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:57:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA22942; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:23:14 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199803311623.SAA22942@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture To: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM (Ron G. Minnich) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:23:14 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Ron G. Minnich" at Mar 31, 98 10:58:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Are you looking at 10us one-way > > on a single machine, or on a cluster, going through the net (in > > which case you also have the startup costs of the net interface, > > with its few microsecond's inter-frame gap on ethernet...) ? > > The challenge number I put to the extreme linux conference was this: > "from user-mode system call instruction to first bit on the wire, 10 > microseconds". so in this case we are not too far away even just now. I know for sure that a ping across a 100mbit net with P5-100 is around 200us round trip, so it's surely less than 100us one way to the wire with no special optimization. > Why this? Well, UNET does it now, albeit in a somewhat ugly way. It would > be far better to do it via TCP. pardon the ignorance, but what is UNET ? > > I assume you want the reliability that TCP gives you, but depending on > > the underlying network you might not need to implement it in the protocol > > stack. Probably you also want message boundaries to be preserved, > > something that TCP does not guarantee. And if you want to send > > different messages to different receivers, you would not like to pay > > the price of opening/closing a connection each time. > > The problem is that if you do 'something other than tcp', you find in > many cases that people recreate things like: > sequence numbers > retransmit this is why i mention reliability as a desirable thing (and you don't see sequence numbers and retransmits at the application level) and some others which might be undesiderable (as getting arbitrary fragmentation of messages). There is some overhead in TCP that could just be eliminated if you wouldn't have to worry about say cong.control etc -- in other words, some optimizations to the TCP code are certainly possible, but i suspect some significant improvement would also come out from removing useless (for the specific purpose) functions. > In fact, on the RP3, people who worked on that project told me that they > added lost-packet checking in the software. This on an MP interconnect. if this is just a safety check on each read/write (driving to a possibly complex recovery routine that almost never runs) then this is not much a problem for performance. > anyway, the relation of this to -hackers is that it would be neat to see > freebsd get to the challenge number soon. cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 10:03:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA06234 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:03:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA06219 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:03:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id SAA22981; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:29:32 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199803311629.SAA22981@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture To: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM (Ron G. Minnich) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:29:32 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Ron G. Minnich" at Mar 31, 98 12:26:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This has been mentioned, starting ca. 1990. Has anyone seen the code? > nowadays when I bring this up people shrug their shoulders in disbelief. > Kind of a shame. I think these 30 instructions referred to the optimization of the common case of header prediction. There is more of course for passing data up to the user process. And probably the 30 instruction in sparc assembly code have been presented in some slides (I think i have seen the paper floating around the net). If nothing else, try cc -S /sys/netinet/tcp_input.c and find out the main path in tcp_input() ... cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 10:07:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07011 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:07:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov (gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07005 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:07:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cshenton@gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov) Received: from wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (WireHead.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.88]) by gratia.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07419; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:59:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from cshenton@localhost) by wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03688; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:06:45 -0500 (EST) To: Tom Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.6-STABLE perl5 port broken (or is it me)? References: From: Chris Shenton Date: 31 Mar 1998 13:06:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: Tom's message of Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:04:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On 31 Mar 1998, Chris Shenton wrote: > > > same place: an undefined type "recno_t". I don't find this defined > > anywhere in the Perl5.004.04 sources. Tom writes: > Of course. It is defined in /usr/include/db.h Then something's busted in the port cuz the first error occurs in DB_File.xs which has #include "EXTERN.h" #include "perl.h" #include "XSUB.h" #include as the first non-comments in the file, and so does the generated .c file. Inserting the line from the /usr/include/db.h file typedef u_int32_t recno_t; into the DB_File.xs causes the generated .c file to compile properly so something's broken with the CC processing of the .h typedef. But if it's really CC brain-damage, then I'd expect lots of other typedefs in .h files to fail spectacularly. This manual edit gets me through my roadblock but I'm very concerned about other damage if there's really a CC or .h problem. Any hints? Anyone else have this problem? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 10:13:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08183 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:13:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08178 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:13:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yK59B-0002R8-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:48:29 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:48:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Chris Shenton cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.6-STABLE perl5 port broken (or is it me)? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 31 Mar 1998, Chris Shenton wrote: > so something's broken with the CC processing of the .h typedef. But if More likely your build enviroment is broken somehow. Either you have multiple db.h files or something else. Definitely not a cc problem, as perl5 was built into a package for 2.2.6 on a 2.2.6 system. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 10:38:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13579 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:38:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA13455 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:38:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA10479; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:37:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:37:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture In-Reply-To: <199803311754.JAA04570@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, we have the code. Now what about all the scaffolding that surrounds it? Is this in any extant kernels? ron Ron Minnich |Java: an operating-system-independent, rminnich@sarnoff.com |architecture-independent programming language (609)-734-3120 |for Windows/95 and Windows/NT on the Pentium ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 10:50:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16276 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:50:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from friley585.res.iastate.edu (friley585.res.iastate.edu [129.186.167.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16182; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:49:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley585.res.iastate.edu) Received: from friley585.res.iastate.edu (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by friley585.res.iastate.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07875; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:49:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley585.res.iastate.edu) Message-Id: <199803311849.MAA07875@friley585.res.iastate.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM (Ron G. Minnich), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:54:19 PST." <199803311754.JAA04570@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:49:51 -0600 From: Chris Csanady Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Ron G. Minnich wrote: >> > As someone else mentioned, Van Jacobson has gotten the fast path case >> > down to ~30 instructions for TCP processing on the receive side. If >> > we could get around all the complex memory management using something like >> > above, it should perform fairly well. >> >> This has been mentioned, starting ca. 1990. Has anyone seen the code? >> nowadays when I bring this up people shrug their shoulders in disbelief. >> Kind of a shame. Kind of a shame that the code never made it into 4.4BSD as it was intended to. Perhaps someone with more of a name than myself in the FreeBSD project would care to query the good Dr. Jacobson? For what it is worth, the code in this message assumes quite a bit of architectural support which we do not currently have. >the code....its referenced from one of > stevens books, if memory serves. A.....nailed it! > > thank you dejanews. The message is also available from the following link of the NRG server: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/email/vanj.93sep07.txt If you are interested in networking, there are also many other things worth looking at here. The network architecture which the 30 instruction claim refers to is described in Van Jacobsons talks: ftp://ftp.ee.lbl.gov/talks/vj-nkarch.ps.Z, ftp://ftp.ee.lbl.gov/talks/vj-nws93-1.ps.Z It would be really cool to have code for this.. Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 10:55:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17654 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:55:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bigbrother (bigbrother.rstcorp.com [206.29.49.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA17594 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:54:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vshah@rstcorp.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by bigbrother (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA05138 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:44:32 -0500 Received: from fault.rstcorp.com(206.29.49.18) by bigbrother.rstcorp.com via smap (V2.0) id xma005117; Tue, 31 Mar 98 14:43:32 -0500 Received: (from vshah@localhost) by rstcorp.com (8.8.1/8.8.1) id NAA02679; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:53:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:53:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803311853.NAA02679@rstcorp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Viren R. Shah" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Making a boot.flp for 2.2.6 X-Mailer: VM 6.40 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Viren R. Shah" X-Face: )~y+U*K:yzjz{q<5lzpI_SVef'U.])9g[C9`1N@]u3,MHY7f*l7C)[_NjM4y4K8$uIUh|\u (K&&HS6,M!61&GMTk'mqmB/Qg]]X}"?TzsFl]"2v!bl8']dma.:^IY^a[lbOI>U:b<~FyK3q-p{HmZ mn~g.`~BE!5{2D:}Yi+\_KkWe?XaHj9$ko1k8iKLYv5*_2c8"G=?Up[}hn+7RNM(bzBZ_wWk6!Pf&B ?3Tcm7M7B~W%K/I0aX3]*=jP?aM]H6HBPT`oLk+0n^_;N\2\%|Rhy;p}34Q.jEsM\qtnxcm;ag%Nq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm trying to make a boot floppy for 2.2.6 with a non-supported driver included in it. I already have a patched /sys/ tree (that has the driver in it) which was use to generate the kernel. I have a virgin 2.2.6 src tree in /usr/src. Ant pointers to how I would go about making a boot floopy? I assume I need to use the make release mechanism? In that case, is there anyway to just make the floppy? I notice that there is a : KERNELS?= GENERIC line in the /usr/src/release Makefile. does that mean that the boot.floppy made will pick up the GENERIC config file from /sys/i386/conf ? Thanks for any help or pointers. Thanks Viren -- "Endure pain, find joy, and make your own meaning, because the universe certainly isn't going to supply it. Always be a moving target. Live. Live. Live." -- Cordelia Vorkosigan to the just born Miles (Lois McMaster Bujold, Barrayar) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 12:18:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14251 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:18:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [206.156.231.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14233 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:18:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@elvis.mu.org) Received: (from paul@localhost) by elvis.mu.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23404; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:18:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from paul) Message-ID: <19980331141810.47423@mu.org> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:18:10 -0600 From: Paul Saab To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mozilla source Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey all.. I got mozilla source and compiled it.. Ran into one snag... In ns/cmd/xfe/XfeWidgets/Xfe/ComboBox.c on line 272 it is looking for XmNlist and well, it isnt there. I looked at ns/cmd/xfe/XfeWidgets/Xfe/StringDefs.h and at the bottom XmNlist is defined if XmVersion < 2000. I have XiG motif 2.0 and it didn't like me. So fix the define for XmNlist and it compiles cleanly. http://www.mozilla.org/ if you didn't know. Oh yeah, take a look at ns/config/FreeBSD.mk .. it seems you can compile it with FreeBSD pthreads. I have yet to try it but I thought it was worth mentioning. Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 12:37:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16597 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:37:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16590 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:37:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA13724; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:36:36 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id WAA09112; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:37:14 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980331223714.32922@follo.net> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:37:14 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Paul Saab , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source References: <19980331141810.47423@mu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19980331141810.47423@mu.org>; from Paul Saab on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 02:18:10PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 02:18:10PM -0600, Paul Saab wrote: > Hey all.. > > I got mozilla source and compiled it.. Ran into one snag... In > ns/cmd/xfe/XfeWidgets/Xfe/ComboBox.c on line 272 it is looking for > XmNlist and well, it isnt there. > > I looked at ns/cmd/xfe/XfeWidgets/Xfe/StringDefs.h and at the bottom > XmNlist is defined if XmVersion < 2000. I have XiG motif 2.0 and > it didn't like me. So fix the define for XmNlist and it compiles > cleanly. This is _not_ true for FreeBSD 3.0. I get a lot of type conflicts. I'm trying to make a port so people won't have to go through the work again. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 12:38:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16880 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:38:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16824 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:38:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04987 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:38:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Ton Roosendaal: Blender News Mar 31, 1998 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:38:19 -0800 Message-ID: <4983.891376699@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FYI... Too bad we have to wait until the 15th of April. :) ------- Forwarded Message Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:40:32 +0200 From: quad.neogeo.nl!ton@neogeo.nl (Ton Roosendaal) Message-Id: <199803311440.QAA28108@quad.neogeo.nl> To: jkh@FreeBSD.org Subject: Blender News Mar 31, 1998 - ---------------------Announcement------------------------ NeoGeo is happy to announce the Beta release of a Linux and FreeBSD version of Blender at April 15 1998 We expect the first Beta users to help us complete testing and evaluating, especially for the various PC configurations. An official version will be released 4 to 6 weeks later. Time schedule: - April 15: Beta versions V1.3x - May-June: Official versions V1.4x - June-July: Manual version V1.5x - Sept: Complete version V1.8x - ???: Pro version V2.0x Other platfoms - Amiga/Mac/Alpha - and Windows95/NT are not scheduled yet. Currently only a very sparse manual is available. This is work under construction. Publishing the manual will be NeoGeo's first commercial activity with Blender. NeoGeo's strategy is to keep the program core freeware, while generating revenues with add-ons like plug-ins, extra tools and tutorials. - ------------------------Blender------------------------------- Blender is the freeware 3D package - currently only available for SGI - that has become very popular with students, artists and at universities. Being the in-house software of a high quality animation studio, it has proven to be an extremely fast and versatile design instrument. Use Blender to create TV commercials, to make technical visualizations, business graphics, to do some morphing, or design user interfaces. You can easily build and manage complex environments. The renderer is reliable and extremely fast. All basic animation principles are well implemented. Visit our web site for more information. - ----------------------www.neogeo.nl--------------------------- - --------------------blender@neogeo.nl------------------------- ------- End of Forwarded Message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 12:43:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18079 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:43:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17760 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:41:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA16898; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:41:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:41:08 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Paul Saab cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source In-Reply-To: <19980331141810.47423@mu.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Paul Saab wrote: > I got mozilla source and compiled it.. Great! First task: figure out and fix that annoying hang-and-burn-cpu-cycles-on-exit bug. -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 13:03:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20862 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:03:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [206.156.231.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20845 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:03:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@elvis.mu.org) Received: (from paul@localhost) by elvis.mu.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24098; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:03:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from paul) Message-ID: <19980331150336.34328@mu.org> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:03:36 -0600 From: Paul Saab To: Eivind Eklund , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source References: <19980331141810.47423@mu.org> <19980331223714.32922@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <19980331223714.32922@follo.net>; from Eivind Eklund on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 10:37:14PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Eivind Eklund (eivind@yes.no) wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 02:18:10PM -0600, Paul Saab wrote: > > Hey all.. > > > > I got mozilla source and compiled it.. Ran into one snag... In > > ns/cmd/xfe/XfeWidgets/Xfe/ComboBox.c on line 272 it is looking for > > XmNlist and well, it isnt there. > > > > I looked at ns/cmd/xfe/XfeWidgets/Xfe/StringDefs.h and at the bottom > > XmNlist is defined if XmVersion < 2000. I have XiG motif 2.0 and > > it didn't like me. So fix the define for XmNlist and it compiles > > cleanly. > > This is _not_ true for FreeBSD 3.0. I get a lot of type conflicts. > > I'm trying to make a port so people won't have to go through the work > again. Whoops.. I did forget to mention that I only built it on 2.2.6-RELEASE. And my definition of cleanly is that is produced a binary.. :). There are tons of warning statements I am going through now. I was just happy to see it work etc etc. Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 13:08:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21790 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:08:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au ([203.36.2.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21740 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:07:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id HAA03252; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:04:55 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199803312104.HAA03252@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: mozilla source In-Reply-To: from John Fieber at "Mar 31, 98 03:41:08 pm" To: jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:04:55 +1000 (EST) Cc: paul@mu.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Fieber wrote: > Great! First task: figure out and fix that annoying > hang-and-burn-cpu-cycles-on-exit bug. Is anyone planning to maintain the code in a public cvs so that possible fixes like this can be shared? -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 13:11:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22728 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:11:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22573 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:10:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id QAA15845; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:06:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:10:22 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: John Fieber cc: Paul Saab , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just curious if there is going to be a FreeBSD/Netscape group :) Is there a group effort here to trim this baby, un-bloat it, debug it, for FreeBSD somewhere? Or is it an everyman for himself kinda thing? I know that mozilla.org has the bluesky project and whatnot, but all im really interested in is a FreeBSD centered effort. I see some really cool things happening now that we have the source. Cool for me being just having the daemon replace the N as the icon in the top right corner :) Just curious if there were people getting together and discussing what to fix first etc.. Chris -- "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 13:12:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23151 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:12:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23128 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:12:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03292; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:12:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199803312112.NAA03292@rah.star-gate.com> To: John Fieber cc: Paul Saab , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: mozilla source In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:41:08 EST." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3289.891378735.1@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:12:15 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Second task, upgrade the Java VM to our JDK1.1.5 8) Third task, provide secured mechanism Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 13:13:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23617 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:13:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23606 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:13:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA19474; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:13:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:13:18 -0500 (EST) From: Snob Art Genre To: John Fieber cc: Paul Saab , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, John Fieber wrote: > Great! First task: figure out and fix that annoying > hang-and-burn-cpu-cycles-on-exit bug. That's a Netscape 4 bug, isn't it? (At least, I experience it with Netscape 4.) And we're talking about Netscape 5 source, no? BTW, did anyone else notice that the unix source code was about a third smaller than the Mac and Windows source? Of course, they were all compressed differently, but still. Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 13:15:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24161 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:15:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23795 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:13:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA14335; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:13:07 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id XAA15365; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:13:45 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980331231344.24130@follo.net> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:13:44 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: John Birrell , John Fieber Cc: paul@mu.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source References: <199803312104.HAA03252@cimlogic.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199803312104.HAA03252@cimlogic.com.au>; from John Birrell on Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 07:04:55AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 07:04:55AM +1000, John Birrell wrote: > John Fieber wrote: > > Great! First task: figure out and fix that annoying > > hang-and-burn-cpu-cycles-on-exit bug. > > Is anyone planning to maintain the code in a public cvs so that possible > fixes like this can be shared? Yes - mozilla.org is planning to do this, and has asked for information/help from 'people that have experience with large Open-Source projects under CVS' - that means us, guys! Eivind, who started reading the Mozilla newsgroups earlier today. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 13:25:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27916 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:25:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27829 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:25:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21011 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:24:48 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803312124.OAA21011@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Debugging new/delete for C++ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:21:22 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Anyone know of a debugging allocator package for C++ programs. Essentially all I want is to dump out a list of all unfreed objects at program termination listing the file and line number where they were allocated, the size, and perhaps an allocation number. Thanks, Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 13:27:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28395 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:27:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au ([203.36.2.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28251 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:26:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id HAA03339; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:23:53 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199803312123.HAA03339@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: mozilla source In-Reply-To: <199803312117.NAA01310@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Mar 31, 98 01:17:35 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:23:53 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, jfieber@indiana.edu, paul@mu.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > John Fieber wrote: > > > Great! First task: figure out and fix that annoying > > > hang-and-burn-cpu-cycles-on-exit bug. > > > > Is anyone planning to maintain the code in a public cvs so that possible > > fixes like this can be shared? > > That's a good question - so far, the mozilla.org people appear not to > know of any "bazaar" project more sophisticated than Linux. It would > be extremely sexy to see them using CVS/CVSup to keep people in tune > with their "mainstream" version. That would be nice. I was hoping that there would be a place where FreeBSD people could commit fixes to the source prior to them being accepted by mozilla.org. I think there is a case for the source to be added to src/contrib (if the licence allows - I haven't checked 8-). Like we handle GNU sources. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 13:28:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28940 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:28:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28801 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:28:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA17031; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:27:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:27:50 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Snob Art Genre cc: Paul Saab , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Snob Art Genre wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, John Fieber wrote: > > > Great! First task: figure out and fix that annoying > > hang-and-burn-cpu-cycles-on-exit bug. > > That's a Netscape 4 bug, isn't it? (At least, I experience it with > Netscape 4.) And we're talking about Netscape 5 source, no? True. I suppose the status of that bug should be verified first. -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 13:31:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00189 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:31:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from postman.opengroup.org (postman.opengroup.org [130.105.1.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29934 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:31:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from k.keithley@opengroup.org) Received: from benway (benway.camb.opengroup.org [130.105.9.33]) by postman.opengroup.org (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA02038 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:30:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35216143.7F90@opengroup.org> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:33:55 -0500 From: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Organization: The Open Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/715) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Snob Art Genre wrote: > > On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, John Fieber wrote: > > > Great! First task: figure out and fix that annoying > > hang-and-burn-cpu-cycles-on-exit bug. > > That's a Netscape 4 bug, isn't it? (At least, I experience it with > Netscape 4.) And we're talking about Netscape 5 source, no? Are you sure it's not a libc select/poll bug? __Every__ X program linked with FreeBSD libc on my 3.0-971225-SNAP system hangs and burns CPU on exit. Netscape 3.04 doesn't because it's statically linked -- with BSDI's libc. This problem didn't exist when I was running 2.2.2-RELEASE. It only started after I upgraded to 3.0-971225-SNAP. Doesn't matter whether I build X to use select or poll, so I'm suspicious that the select/poll reimplementation broke something. I haven't had a chance to dig into it, but I have some degree of confidence that it's a libc or kernel bug because Xlib didn't loop on 2.2.2, nor does it on any of the half dozen other systems that I build X on. -- Kaleb S. KEITHLEY X Architect, The Open Group X Project Team To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 13:41:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02711 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:41:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.72.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02594 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:40:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyman@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu) Received: (from dannyman@localhost) by arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id PAA27488; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:40:19 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980331154019.54875@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:40:19 -0600 From: dannyman To: Open Systems Networking , John Fieber Cc: Paul Saab , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source Mail-Followup-To: Open Systems Networking , John Fieber , Paul Saab , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Open Systems Networking on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 04:10:22PM -0500 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 04:10:22PM -0500, Open Systems Networking wrote: > > Just curious if there is going to be a FreeBSD/Netscape group :) > > Is there a group effort here to trim this baby, un-bloat it, debug it, for > FreeBSD somewhere? Or is it an everyman for himself kinda thing? > I know that mozilla.org has the bluesky project and whatnot, but all im > really interested in is a FreeBSD centered effort. I see some really cool > things happening now that we have the source. Cool for me being just > having the daemon replace the N as the icon in the top right corner :) I want that little daemon to be stabbing ballons that say "MS" on them while I'm downloading web pages! Of course, it should be user-configurable just what that daemon is doing. I might get esoteric and link it to my QuickCam. Whee! -dan -- // dannyman yori aiokomete || Our Honored Symbol deserves \\/ http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ || an Honorable Retirement (UIUC) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 13:42:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03052 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:42:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02771 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:41:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id QAA23153; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:37:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:40:53 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: John Birrell cc: Mike Smith , jfieber@indiana.edu, paul@mu.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source In-Reply-To: <199803312123.HAA03339@cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, John Birrell wrote: > That would be nice. I was hoping that there would be a place where > FreeBSD people could commit fixes to the source prior to them being > accepted by mozilla.org. I think there is a case for the source to > be added to src/contrib (if the licence allows - I haven't checked 8-). Thats what I was getting at, a FreeBSD centered netscape CVS tree that we can hack on THEN submit those patches back to the mozilla people. And they do have listed there going to have a read only CVS tree soon, so im only guessing there talking to someone in the FreeBSD camp to get this done. I don't know who else they would talk to. And since FreeBSD is listed in the "people to thank" section on mozilla.org I'm assuming thats why. Anyway yeah our own cvs tree is what I'd like to see. Chris -- "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 14:08:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07613 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:08:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA07594 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:08:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA08232 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:07:47 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA06712; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:37:38 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199803312137.XAA06712@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: getting netatalk to work on 2.2.5R In-Reply-To: from Julian Elischer at "Mar 30, 98 03:11:29 pm" To: julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:37:38 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jfieber@indiana.edu, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Julian Elischer wrote... > it is trivial > > remove the extra un-needed arg and check the others.. > use if_ethersubr as a guide. Would you mind taking a look at the diff I sent to -hackers earlier? If it is OK I'll send-pr Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl -------------------------------------------------- Powered by FreeBSD ------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 14:12:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08340 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:12:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08333 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:12:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05758; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:11:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: John Birrell cc: jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber), paul@mu.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Apr 1998 07:04:55 +1000." <199803312104.HAA03252@cimlogic.com.au> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:11:54 -0800 Message-ID: <5754.891382314@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > John Fieber wrote: > > Great! First task: figure out and fix that annoying > > hang-and-burn-cpu-cycles-on-exit bug. > > Is anyone planning to maintain the code in a public cvs so that possible > fixes like this can be shared? That's a very good question. Maybe I'll go to the Mozilla party tomorrow and ask Jaime. :-) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 14:14:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08468 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:14:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08405 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:14:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01310; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:17:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803312117.NAA01310@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: John Birrell cc: jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber), paul@mu.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Apr 1998 07:04:55 +1000." <199803312104.HAA03252@cimlogic.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:17:35 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > John Fieber wrote: > > Great! First task: figure out and fix that annoying > > hang-and-burn-cpu-cycles-on-exit bug. > > Is anyone planning to maintain the code in a public cvs so that possible > fixes like this can be shared? That's a good question - so far, the mozilla.org people appear not to know of any "bazaar" project more sophisticated than Linux. It would be extremely sexy to see them using CVS/CVSup to keep people in tune with their "mainstream" version. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 14:18:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09337 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:18:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09192 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:18:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA17404; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:18:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:18:10 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source In-Reply-To: <35216143.7F90@opengroup.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Kaleb S. KEITHLEY wrote: > Are you sure it's not a libc select/poll bug? __Every__ X program linked > with FreeBSD libc on my 3.0-971225-SNAP system hangs and burns CPU on > exit. Netscape 3.04 doesn't because it's statically linked -- with > BSDI's libc. > > This problem didn't exist when I was running 2.2.2-RELEASE. It only > started after I upgraded to 3.0-971225-SNAP. The described problem with Netscape 4 occurs on 2.2.5 and 2.2.6 and is intermittent--about half the time it exits just fine. -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 14:28:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10977 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:28:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au ([203.36.2.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10853 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:26:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id IAA03787; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:24:32 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199803312224.IAA03787@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: mozilla source In-Reply-To: <5754.891382314@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Mar 31, 98 02:11:54 pm" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:24:32 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, jfieber@indiana.edu, paul@mu.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > That's a very good question. Maybe I'll go to the Mozilla party > tomorrow and ask Jaime. :-) A question that you might also want to ask: "How do we get back to a version that has _any_ java support built in?" Netscape has stripped out all code that they've licenced and that includes java. The source contains just stubs. A browser these days without java is pretty lame. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 14:30:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11409 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:30:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cyber3.servtech.com (root@cyber3.servtech.com [199.1.22.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11328; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:29:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from housley@pr-comm.com) Received: from pr-comm.com (root@prcomm.roc.servtech.com [204.181.3.14]) by cyber3.servtech.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18761; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pr-comm.com (housley@hatchling.int.pr-comm.com [192.168.70.48]) by pr-comm.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13229; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:28:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from housley@pr-comm.com) Message-ID: <35216E1C.5967A644@pr-comm.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:28:44 -0500 From: "James E. Housley" Organization: PR Communications, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Repost/Refined of Additions to anti-spam rules References: <3520FF7C.F95D00BC@pr-comm.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0654483328E942B97356E8BA" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0654483328E942B97356E8BA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am VERY sorry about my previous post. I must have been on something when I tested it, because is DEFINITELY doesn't work. SORRY. This is properly tested and works the way intended. allowip.db is a hash map of allowable IP address, ie local address that are good and therefore won't be checked by check_rbl. The intended use is for people with local networks and "expensive" dialup internet access, ie small business. Comments welcome Jim -- -------------------------------------------+------------------------- James E. Housley | PGP: 1024/03983B4D PR Communications, Inc. | 2C 3F 3A 0D A8 D8 C3 13 www.servtech.com/public/pr-comm | 7C F0 B5 BF 27 8B 92 FE --------------0654483328E942B97356E8BA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="sendmail.cf.additions.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="sendmail.cf.additions.patch" *** sendmail.cf.additions.orig Mon Mar 9 09:31:06 1998 --- sendmail.cf.additions Tue Mar 31 17:20:33 1998 *************** *** 7,12 **** --- 7,13 ---- Kdenyip hash -o -a.REJECT /etc/mail/denyip.db Kfakenames hash -o -a.REJECT /etc/mail/fakenames.db Kspamsites hash -o -a.REJECT /etc/mail/spamsites.db + Kallowip hash -o -a.ALLOW /etc/mail/allowip.db # helper rulsesets; useful for debugging sendmail configurations # *************** *** 77,82 **** --- 78,89 ---- R$* $: $>3 foo@$1 R<$*> $*<@$*> $#error $: "451 Domain does not resolve" # Connecting Host must resolve--END + # ip address is defined as LOCAL--BEGIN + # prevents me from dialing out to the net for local mail + R$* $: $(dequote "" $&{client_addr} $) + R$* $: $(allowip $1 $) + R$*.ALLOW $@ OK + # ip address is defined as LOCAL--END # ip address must NOT be in Paul Vixie's RBL--BEGIN R$* $: $1 $: $(dequote "" $&{client_addr} $) R$* $: $>check_rbl $1 --------------0654483328E942B97356E8BA Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for James E. 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Housley n: Housley;James E. org: PR Communications, Inc. adr: 465 Blossom Road;;;Rochester;New York;14610-0725;USA email;internet: housley@pr-comm.com title: Design Engineer tel;work: (716) 288-7900 tel;fax: (716) 288-7909 x-mozilla-cpt: pr-comm.com;2 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------0654483328E942B97356E8BA-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 14:32:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11938 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:32:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11932 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:32:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA08484; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:31:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA12895; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:31:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:31:49 -0700 Message-Id: <199803312231.PAA12895@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source In-Reply-To: <35216143.7F90@opengroup.org> References: <35216143.7F90@opengroup.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Great! First task: figure out and fix that annoying > > > hang-and-burn-cpu-cycles-on-exit bug. > > > > That's a Netscape 4 bug, isn't it? (At least, I experience it with > > Netscape 4.) And we're talking about Netscape 5 source, no? > > Are you sure it's not a libc select/poll bug? __Every__ X program linked > with FreeBSD libc on my 3.0-971225-SNAP system hangs and burns CPU on > exit. Netscape 3.04 doesn't because it's statically linked -- with > BSDI's libc. I don't know, but netscape 4 hangs on my 2.2.5-STABLE box (no time to upgrade it to 2.2.6 yet). I'm still using netscape3 because of it, but it's not a native FreeBSD version. :( Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 14:36:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13090 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:36:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12969 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:35:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA07481 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:34:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:34:50 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: NFS over TCP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, It's my understanding that NFS in -stable can be run with TCP as the transport rather than UDP. As an exercise in firewalling, I'm trying to make the entire nfs suite work over TCP, as it seems easier to control than UDP. Looking at rpcinfo, mountd, portmapper, and nfsd all listen on TCP ports, and telnetting to these ports shows that there is indeed something there listening: program vers proto port 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper 100000 2 udp 111 portmapper 100003 2 udp 2049 nfs 100003 3 udp 2049 nfs 100003 2 tcp 2049 nfs 100003 3 tcp 2049 nfs 100005 3 udp 967 mountd 100005 3 tcp 1012 mountd 100005 1 udp 967 mountd 100005 1 tcp 1012 mountd However, if I disallow UDP traffic between the nfs server and client, I see a whole bunch of UDP packets denied by ipfw. I have started nfsd with the "-t" flag on the server, and am specifying a version 3 tcp mount on the client. Is it possible to actually disable udp in mountd and portmap? I couldn't find a flag for this in the manpages... Thanks for any info, C Charles Sprickman spork@super-g.com ---- "I'm not a prophet or a stone-age man Just a mortal with potential of a superman I'm living on" -DB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 14:36:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13172 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:36:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13124 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:36:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id RAA06777; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:31:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:35:02 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: John Birrell cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , jfieber@indiana.edu, paul@mu.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source In-Reply-To: <199803312224.IAA03787@cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, John Birrell wrote: > A question that you might also want to ask: "How do we get back to > a version that has _any_ java support built in?" Netscape has stripped > out all code that they've licenced and that includes java. The source > contains just stubs. A browser these days without java is pretty lame. good luck, In the newly formed mozilla newsgroups they say the reason they did this was because they licensed java from sun, and they cannot include it in the src because of that license. So getting the java code from this is probably futile at best. Chris -- "I am closed minded. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I started this out on -questions, then tried -hardware, but no responses. I'm trying to get an idea of how the whole CD-R procedure works on a general level. Say I'm using one of the supported CD-R drives and I wanted to archive logs. Are the CD-Rs multisession? That is, can I write a set of files to the CD-R today, and then write another set tomorrow? Am I correct in concluding that the cdrecord program is for making copies of existing CDs and so cannot be used for archiving files as described above? Thanks, Omar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 14:38:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14261 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:38:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ranma.nectar.com (hibernet.communique.net [204.27.67.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14252 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:38:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nectar@ranma.nectar.com) Received: (from nectar@localhost) by ranma.nectar.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04684; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:35:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980331163523.33945@nectar.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:35:23 -0600 From: Jacques Vidrine To: John Fieber Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source References: <35216143.7F90@opengroup.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from John Fieber on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 05:18:10PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FYI, I'm running 2.2.5 on my laptop for about 2 months, using Netscape 4, and I don't experience any problems. I'd be happy to compare configuration information with those interested. Haven't tried on my -current box. On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 05:18:10PM -0500, John Fieber wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Kaleb S. KEITHLEY wrote: > > > Are you sure it's not a libc select/poll bug? __Every__ X program linked > > with FreeBSD libc on my 3.0-971225-SNAP system hangs and burns CPU on > > exit. Netscape 3.04 doesn't because it's statically linked -- with > > BSDI's libc. > > > > This problem didn't exist when I was running 2.2.2-RELEASE. It only > > started after I upgraded to 3.0-971225-SNAP. > > The described problem with Netscape 4 occurs on 2.2.5 and 2.2.6 > and is intermittent--about half the time it exits just fine. > > -john > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 14:49:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16222 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:49:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16206 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:49:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21224; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:47:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Message-ID: <35217265.FCBF9A6F@san.rr.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:47:01 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE-0325 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Open Systems Networking CC: John Birrell , Mike Smith , jfieber@indiana.edu, paul@mu.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Open Systems Networking wrote: > And since FreeBSD is > listed in the "people to thank" section on mozilla.org I'm assuming thats > why. Anyway yeah our own cvs tree is what I'd like to see. I agree. This is an excellent opportunity for us to get positive publicity. I'd really like to see us take the lead here. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 14:57:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17304 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:57:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.72.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17294 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:57:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyman@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu) Received: (from dannyman@localhost) by arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id QAA13149; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:55:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980331165549.08616@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:55:49 -0600 From: dannyman To: John Birrell , "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: jfieber@indiana.edu, paul@mu.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source Mail-Followup-To: John Birrell , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , jfieber@indiana.edu, paul@mu.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <5754.891382314@time.cdrom.com> <199803312224.IAA03787@cimlogic.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199803312224.IAA03787@cimlogic.com.au>; from John Birrell on Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 08:24:32AM +1000 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 08:24:32AM +1000, John Birrell wrote: [...] > A browser these days without java is pretty lame. In your opinion. :) -- // dannyman yori aiokomete || Our Honored Symbol deserves \\/ http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ || an Honorable Retirement (UIUC) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 14:59:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17858 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:59:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17846 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:58:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06083; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:57:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: John Birrell cc: jfieber@indiana.edu, paul@mu.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Apr 1998 08:24:32 +1000." <199803312224.IAA03787@cimlogic.com.au> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:57:45 -0800 Message-ID: <6079.891385065@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > That's a very good question. Maybe I'll go to the Mozilla party > > tomorrow and ask Jaime. :-) > > A question that you might also want to ask: "How do we get back to > a version that has _any_ java support built in?" Netscape has stripped This is already a FAQ, right along with "How do we get back a version that has _any_ security (SSL) support built in?" - various people are indeed working on both problems and I suspect that any further queries by us on these topics would merely be redundant at best. :) http://www.mozilla.org/community.html contains some good pointers to forums where these topics are already being actively discussed. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 15:02:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18810 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:02:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18775 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:02:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au) Message-Id: <199803312302.PAA18775@hub.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA247465338; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:02:18 +1000 From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: mozilla source To: Studded@san.rr.com (Studded) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:02:18 +1000 (EST) Cc: opsys@mail.webspan.net, jb@cimlogic.com.au, mike@smith.net.au, jfieber@indiana.edu, paul@mu.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <35217265.FCBF9A6F@san.rr.com> from "Studded" at Mar 31, 98 02:47:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Along with the problems with no java, there's also the problem of "no security". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 15:05:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19255 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:05:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19239 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:04:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA21973; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:04:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:04:33 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: John Fieber cc: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, John Fieber wrote: > > This problem didn't exist when I was running 2.2.2-RELEASE. It only > > started after I upgraded to 3.0-971225-SNAP. > > The described problem with Netscape 4 occurs on 2.2.5 and 2.2.6 > and is intermittent--about half the time it exits just fine. Oddly enough, I've only seen it once. Then again, I usually only restart once a week or so. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 15:08:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19915 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:08:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19879 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:07:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06173; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:07:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Open Systems Networking cc: John Birrell , jfieber@indiana.edu, paul@mu.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:35:02 EST." Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:07:03 -0800 Message-ID: <6170.891385623@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > good luck, In the newly formed mozilla newsgroups they say the reason they > did this was because they licensed java from sun, and they cannot include > it in the src because of that license. So getting the java code from this > is probably futile at best. Frankly, I think that the Kaffe folks have needed a more reasonable target to try and hit for some time in helping to focus their efforts, and perhaps the free'd Mozilla will provide them with a vehicle for doing exactly that. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 15:18:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21773 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:18:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ranma.nectar.com (hibernet.communique.net [204.27.67.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21754 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:18:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nectar@ranma.nectar.com) Received: (from nectar@localhost) by ranma.nectar.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA04836; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:16:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980331171610.07480@nectar.com> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:16:10 -0600 From: Jacques Vidrine To: Open Systems Networking Cc: John Birrell , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , jfieber@indiana.edu, paul@mu.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source References: <199803312224.IAA03787@cimlogic.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from Open Systems Networking on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 05:35:02PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ha, I'd rather see Python integration. Along with other language support such as tcl, Perl, and Rexx of course :-) Java implementations of those scripting languages (such as JPython and NetRexx) are neat-and-all, but Java is just overhead, IMHO. On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, John Birrell wrote: > contains just stubs. A browser these days without java is pretty lame. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 15:20:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22474 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:20:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.72.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22429 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:20:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyman@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu) Received: (from dannyman@localhost) by arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id RAA24321; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:20:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980331172027.43522@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:20:27 -0600 From: dannyman Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source / -CURRENT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Okay, I've tweaked some, but now the Errors are starting to require intelligence for me to overcome. :) unix/unixpref.c:29: Xm/Xm.h: No such file or directory gmake[3]: *** [FreeBSD3.0_OPT.OBJ/unix/unixpref.o] Error 1 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/newhome/dannyman/temp/mozilla/ns/modules/libpref/src' gmake[2]: *** [libs] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/newhome/dannyman/temp/mozilla/ns/modules/libpref' gmake[1]: *** [libs] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/newhome/dannyman/temp/mozilla/ns/modules' gmake: *** [libs] Error 2 This was mentioned here before, but I'm curious what strategy one might think to get around the problem. Also, has anyone been more clever than to comment out line 23 of dist/public/java/bool.h? :) Is this more apropos to current, hackers, or ports? :) -- // dannyman yori aiokomete || Our Honored Symbol deserves \\/ http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ || an Honorable Retirement (UIUC) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 15:28:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24695 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:28:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terror.hungry.com ([199.181.107.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24683 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:28:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fn@pain.Hungry.COM) Received: (from fn@localhost) by terror.hungry.com (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.Beta3) id PAA12916; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:28:04 -0800 (PST) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source References: <19980331154019.54875@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> From: Faried Nawaz Date: 31 Mar 1998 15:28:04 -0800 In-Reply-To: djhoward@uiuc.edu's message of 31 Mar 1998 13:46:44 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG djhoward@uiuc.edu (dannyman) writes: I want that little daemon to be stabbing ballons that say "MS" on them while I'm downloading web pages! http://mozilla-contest.hungry.com/ Go wild. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 15:29:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24994 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:29:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24954 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:29:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06348; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:29:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: dannyman cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source / -CURRENT In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:20:27 CST." <19980331172027.43522@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:29:14 -0800 Message-ID: <6344.891386954@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Okay, I've tweaked some, but now the Errors are starting to require > intelligence for me to overcome. :) That and Motif. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 15:30:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25380 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:30:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25323 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:30:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA16667; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:29:50 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id BAA03500; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:30:28 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980401013027.00897@follo.net> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:30:28 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: dannyman Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source / -CURRENT References: <19980331172027.43522@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <19980331172027.43522@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu>; from dannyman on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 05:20:27PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 05:20:27PM -0600, dannyman wrote: > Okay, I've tweaked some, but now the Errors are starting to require > intelligence for me to overcome. :) > > unix/unixpref.c:29: Xm/Xm.h: No such file or directory > gmake[3]: *** [FreeBSD3.0_OPT.OBJ/unix/unixpref.o] Error 1 > gmake[3]: Leaving directory > `/newhome/dannyman/temp/mozilla/ns/modules/libpref/src' > gmake[2]: *** [libs] Error 2 > gmake[2]: Leaving directory > `/newhome/dannyman/temp/mozilla/ns/modules/libpref' > gmake[1]: *** [libs] Error 2 > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/newhome/dannyman/temp/mozilla/ns/modules' > gmake: *** [libs] Error 2 > > This was mentioned here before, but I'm curious what strategy one might > think to get around the problem. > > Also, has anyone been more clever than to comment out line 23 of > dist/public/java/bool.h? :) > > Is this more apropos to current, hackers, or ports? :) Dunno. I've just put my port online at http://www.freebsd.org/~eivind/moz_port.tgz It should work, but no guarantees - it isn't tested almost at all. (I've bascially just collected all the patches I needed for the first compile run, and am doing the second compile run right now - so it might not even compile). Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 16:15:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02912 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:15:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from watermarkgroup.com (lor.watermarkgroup.com [207.202.73.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA02905 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:15:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luoqi@watermarkgroup.com) Received: by watermarkgroup.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03368; Tue, 31 Mar 98 19:14:44 EST Date: Tue, 31 Mar 98 19:14:44 EST From: luoqi@watermarkgroup.com (Luoqi Chen) Message-Id: <9804010014.AA03368@watermarkgroup.com> To: benedict@echonyc.com, jfieber@indiana.edu Subject: Re: mozilla source Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, paul@mu.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Snob Art Genre wrote: > > > On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, John Fieber wrote: > > > > > Great! First task: figure out and fix that annoying > > > hang-and-burn-cpu-cycles-on-exit bug. > > > > That's a Netscape 4 bug, isn't it? (At least, I experience it with > > Netscape 4.) And we're talking about Netscape 5 source, no? > > True. I suppose the status of that bug should be verified first. > > -john > I'm pretty sure it is floating point related. I'll try to confirm this. -lq To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 18:52:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22847 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:52:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from java.dpcsys.com (java.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22841 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:52:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dpcsys.com) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by java.dpcsys.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA29950 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:52:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:52:32 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source In-Reply-To: <19980331141810.47423@mu.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Paul Saab wrote: > I looked at ns/cmd/xfe/XfeWidgets/Xfe/StringDefs.h and at the bottom > XmNlist is defined if XmVersion < 2000. I have XiG motif 2.0 and > it didn't like me. So fix the define for XmNlist and it compiles > cleanly. With Xi CDE (and motif 1.2) that wasn't a problem but I needed to add -lintl to OTHER_LIBS in cmd/xfe/Makefile Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 19:02:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24571 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:02:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.altadena.net (ns.altadena.net [206.126.144.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA24186 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:00:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pete@ns.altadena.net) Received: (from pete@localhost) by ns.altadena.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id TAA28312 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:00:50 -0800 (PST) From: Pete Carah Message-Id: <199804010300.TAA28312@ns.altadena.net> Subject: DMI etc To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:00:50 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there any plan to support some of the environmental monitoring functions in modern motherboards, like the power supply voltages and fan RPM? (and cpu chip temperature, etc) This could be cool... (or are there specs that tell one where these show up, memory mapped or I/O mapped, etc etc, and I could have a go at it.) -- Pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 19:31:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA28503 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:31:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA28477 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:31:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.6.10) with SMTP id WAA15286 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:31:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:31:35 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ftp.cdrom.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG fledge:/home/ports/print/latex% ncftp ftp.cdrom.com Sorry, the current limit of 3000 users has been reached. Please try again in a few minutes. Most of the files in this area are also available on CDROM. You can send email to (or finger) info@cdrom.com for more information or to order. You may also call our toll-free number to place orders: 1-800-786-9907 or +1-510-674-0783. Orders are taken 24 hours. User anonymous access denied. Login failed. Hmm. :) That's pretty extreme. Is the current limitation on user's on ftp.cdrom.com on the basis of hardware, software, or bandwidth? :) Robert N Watson ---- Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ Trusted Information Systems http://www.tis.com/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 19:50:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01175 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:50:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01166 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:50:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA26383; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:50:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804010350.TAA26383@implode.root.com> To: Robert Watson cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.cdrom.com In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:31:35 EST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:50:25 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >fledge:/home/ports/print/latex% ncftp ftp.cdrom.com >Sorry, the current limit of 3000 users has been reached. >Please try again in a few minutes. > >Most of the files in this area are also available on CDROM. You can >send email to (or finger) info@cdrom.com for more information or to >order. You may also call our toll-free number to place orders: >1-800-786-9907 or +1-510-674-0783. Orders are taken 24 hours. >User anonymous access denied. >Login failed. > > >Hmm. :) That's pretty extreme. Is the current limitation on user's on >ftp.cdrom.com on the basis of hardware, software, or bandwidth? :) Right at the moment the limit is bandwidth - mostly with Sprint and MCI through the west coast NAPs. The secondary limit is CPU, but that only becomes a problem when we have adequate bandwidth. When Internet bandwidth isn't a problem, we tend not to run so close to the 3000 user limit since people aren't on as long downloading the files. The 3000 user limit is chosen because if it any higher than that, the machine becomes a little sluggish during the peak times of the day and this annoys the archive maintainers. Upgrades are planned to fix that problem and to expand further, with the next goal being 4000-5000 users (depending on how significant the upgrade is). -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 20:48:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10152 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:48:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10128 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:48:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA19079; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:47:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:47:12 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: David Greenman cc: Robert Watson , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199804010350.TAA26383@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, David Greenman wrote: > >fledge:/home/ports/print/latex% ncftp ftp.cdrom.com > >Sorry, the current limit of 3000 users has been reached. > >Please try again in a few minutes. > > > >Most of the files in this area are also available on CDROM. You can > >send email to (or finger) info@cdrom.com for more information or to > >order. You may also call our toll-free number to place orders: > >1-800-786-9907 or +1-510-674-0783. Orders are taken 24 hours. > >User anonymous access denied. > >Login failed. > > > > > >Hmm. :) That's pretty extreme. Is the current limitation on user's on > >ftp.cdrom.com on the basis of hardware, software, or bandwidth? :) > > Right at the moment the limit is bandwidth - mostly with Sprint and MCI > through the west coast NAPs. The secondary limit is CPU, but that only > becomes a problem when we have adequate bandwidth. When Internet bandwidth > isn't a problem, we tend not to run so close to the 3000 user limit since > people aren't on as long downloading the files. The 3000 user limit is > chosen because if it any higher than that, the machine becomes a little > sluggish during the peak times of the day and this annoys the archive > maintainers. Upgrades are planned to fix that problem and to expand further, > with the next goal being 4000-5000 users (depending on how significant the > upgrade is). For something that is basically a PC in architecture, those numbers are astounding. > > -DG > > David Greenman > Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 22:21:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21265 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:21:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21256 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:21:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.8.8/frmug-2.2/nospam) with UUCP id IAA05425 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:21:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.9.0.Beta4/keltia-2.14/nospam) id IAA21483; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:06:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980401080646.A21438@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:06:46 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NFS over TCP Mail-Followup-To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.90.4i In-Reply-To: ; from spork on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 05:34:50PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4180 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to spork: > the client. Is it possible to actually disable udp in mountd and portmap? > I couldn't find a flag for this in the manpages... I don't think you can limit UDP usage in the portmapper. I'm afraid that the first call to the portmapper will always be in UDP. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #0: Sun Mar 1 18:50:39 CET 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 22:43:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24851 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:43:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24845 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:42:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA11800; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:44:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980401014448.58609@vmunix.com> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:44:48 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: dg@root.com, Robert Watson Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.cdrom.com References: <199804010350.TAA26383@implode.root.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199804010350.TAA26383@implode.root.com>; from David Greenman on Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 07:50:25PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 07:50:25PM -0800, David Greenman wrote: > > >Hmm. :) That's pretty extreme. Is the current limitation on user's on > >ftp.cdrom.com on the basis of hardware, software, or bandwidth? :) > > Right at the moment the limit is bandwidth - mostly with Sprint and MCI > through the west coast NAPs. The secondary limit is CPU, but that only > becomes a problem when we have adequate bandwidth. When Internet bandwidth > isn't a problem, we tend not to run so close to the 3000 user limit since > people aren't on as long downloading the files. The 3000 user limit is > chosen because if it any higher than that, the machine becomes a little > sluggish during the peak times of the day and this annoys the archive > maintainers. Upgrades are planned to fix that problem and to expand further, > with the next goal being 4000-5000 users (depending on how significant the > upgrade is). The new 400MHz P-II's are using the 100MHz bus right? If so, this will be the first new generation of hardware that I'll be considering upgrading to - since my 200MHz PPro does very well right now. It will be interesting to see if the 400/100MHz PII setup will provide *significant* performance improvements over the PPro.. I think the 450MHz versions of PII will be out this summer, but it's mostly the 100MHz bus that I'm interested in! :-) -Mark > > -DG > > David Greenman > Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The problem is how do you build tools that understand your programs at a deeper semantic level." - James Gosling To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 22:44:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA25011 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:44:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA25005 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:44:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA22733; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:44:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd022713; Tue Mar 31 23:44:35 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA16209; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:44:34 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199804010644.XAA16209@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: NFS over TCP To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:44:34 +0000 (GMT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980401080646.A21438@keltia.freenix.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Apr 1, 98 08:06:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > the client. Is it possible to actually disable udp in mountd and portmap? > > I couldn't find a flag for this in the manpages... > > I don't think you can limit UDP usage in the portmapper. I'm afraid that > the first call to the portmapper will always be in UDP. This is correct. As will the first mount request. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 23:02:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA28838 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:02:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from java.dpcsys.com (java.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA28799 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:01:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dpcsys.com) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by java.dpcsys.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA01601 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:01:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:01:43 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Dan Busarow wrote: > With Xi CDE (and motif 1.2) that wasn't a problem but I needed > to add -lintl to OTHER_LIBS in cmd/xfe/Makefile Make that -lXintl, and I made it the last entry in OTHER_LIBS ^ Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 23:03:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA29090 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:03:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA29080 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:03:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yKH9k-00031u-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:37:52 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:37:39 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Mark Mayo cc: dg@root.com, Robert Watson , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <19980401014448.58609@vmunix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Mark Mayo wrote: > The new 400MHz P-II's are using the 100MHz bus right? If so, this will > be the first new generation of hardware that I'll be considering upgrading > to - since my 200MHz PPro does very well right now. It will be There are other important things in the new slot II P-IIs: - L2 cache will operate at full CPU clock speed as opposed to current half rate - L2 cache will be available in 1MB and 2MB sizes Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 23:15:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01301 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:15:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from csnet.cs.technion.ac.il (csnet.cs.technion.ac.il [132.68.32.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA01182 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:15:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nadav@cs.technion.ac.il) Received: from csd.csa (csd [132.68.32.8]) by csnet.cs.technion.ac.il (8.6.11/8.6.10) with ESMTP id KAA19915; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:15:00 +0300 Received: from localhost by csd.csa (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA04684; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:15:04 +0300 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:15:04 +0300 (IDT) From: Nadav Eiron X-Sender: nadav@csd To: Mark Mayo cc: dg@root.com, Robert Watson , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <19980401014448.58609@vmunix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Mark Mayo wrote: > On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 07:50:25PM -0800, David Greenman wrote: > > The new 400MHz P-II's are using the 100MHz bus right? If so, this will > be the first new generation of hardware that I'll be considering upgrading > to - since my 200MHz PPro does very well right now. It will be > interesting to see if the 400/100MHz PII setup will provide > *significant* performance improvements over the PPro.. > > I think the 450MHz versions of PII will be out this summer, but it's > mostly the 100MHz bus that I'm interested in! :-) Please, if you put one of these beasts into wcarchive, consider re-enabling gzipping on the fly. I really miss it :-( > > -Mark > > > > > -DG > > > > David Greenman > > Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com > RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark > > finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nadav To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 31 23:32:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03254 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:32:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03246 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:32:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA26138; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:32:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Paul Saab cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:18:10 CST." <19980331141810.47423@mu.org> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:32:15 -0800 Message-ID: <26134.891415935@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hey all.. > > I got mozilla source and compiled it.. Ran into one snag... In > ns/cmd/xfe/XfeWidgets/Xfe/ComboBox.c on line 272 it is looking for > XmNlist and well, it isnt there. Huh, you got it to link? Interesting. Using Eivind's port as a starting base, I got many link errors: iostream.cc:954: Undefined symbol `___get_dynamic_handler_chain' referenced from text segment strstream.h:56: Undefined symbol `___sjthrow' referenced from text segment strstream.h:56: Undefined symbol `___terminate' referenced from text segment strstream.cc:0: More undefined symbol ___sjthrow refs follow strstream.cc:0: More undefined symbol ___terminate refs follow ... How are others doing it? Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 00:21:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA10702 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:21:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA10549 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:20:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA22491; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:18:22 +0300 (EEST) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:18:22 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: Amancio Hasty cc: John Fieber , Paul Saab , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source In-Reply-To: <199803312112.NAA03292@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can we add a third : make optional plugging of 128 bit crypto easy? We could keep the crypto part out of US (unless it is already done). Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Second task, upgrade the Java VM to our JDK1.1.5 8) > > Third task, provide secured mechanism > > Amancio > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 00:22:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA10985 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:22:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA10974 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:22:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA17251; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 00:22:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199804010822.AAA17251@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Paul Saab , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:32:15 PST." <26134.891415935@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 00:22:17 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am doing fine. Tnks for asking! ./moz-export http://www.freebsd.org I just grabbed Eivind's patch applied and mozilla seems to come up . Tnks Eivind for the patch. Cheers, Amancio > > Hey all.. > > > > I got mozilla source and compiled it.. Ran into one snag... In > > ns/cmd/xfe/XfeWidgets/Xfe/ComboBox.c on line 272 it is looking for > > XmNlist and well, it isnt there. > > Huh, you got it to link? Interesting. Using Eivind's port as a > starting base, I got many link errors: > > iostream.cc:954: Undefined symbol `___get_dynamic_handler_chain' referenced from text segment > strstream.h:56: Undefined symbol `___sjthrow' referenced from text segment > strstream.h:56: Undefined symbol `___terminate' referenced from text segment > strstream.cc:0: More undefined symbol ___sjthrow refs follow > strstream.cc:0: More undefined symbol ___terminate refs follow > ... > > How are others doing it? > > Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 01:11:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA18792 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:11:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA18787 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:11:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03681; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 02:11:48 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd003673; Wed Apr 1 02:11:43 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA09619; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 02:11:40 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199804010911.CAA09619@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: mozilla source To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:11:39 +0000 (GMT) Cc: paul@mu.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <26134.891415935@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 31, 98 11:32:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Huh, you got it to link? Interesting. Using Eivind's port as a > starting base, I got many link errors: > > iostream.cc:954: Undefined symbol `___get_dynamic_handler_chain' referenced from text segment > strstream.h:56: Undefined symbol `___sjthrow' referenced from text segment > strstream.h:56: Undefined symbol `___terminate' referenced from text segment > strstream.cc:0: More undefined symbol ___sjthrow refs follow > strstream.cc:0: More undefined symbol ___terminate refs follow > ... > > How are others doing it? I see you are using egcs or g++ 2.7.2, which do not support C++ exceptions when using pthreads, instead of gcc 2.8.x, which does. I complained about this before. The problem is that egcs requires that you decide whether or not you are going to use pthreads when you build your compiler, and then assumes that forever afterward, you will use -lc_r with all programs you ever compile with it (and in the FreeBSD case, _THREAD_SAFE, a bogosity from the bowels of the incompatibility fairy). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 01:19:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA19852 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:19:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au ([203.36.2.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA19847 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:19:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id TAA06221; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:18:24 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199804010918.TAA06221@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: mozilla source In-Reply-To: <199804010911.CAA09619@usr01.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "Apr 1, 98 09:11:39 am" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:18:24 +1000 (EST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, paul@mu.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > The problem is that egcs requires that you decide whether or not you > are going to use pthreads when you build your compiler, and then > assumes that forever afterward, you will use -lc_r with all programs > you ever compile with it (and in the FreeBSD case, _THREAD_SAFE, a > bogosity from the bowels of the incompatibility fairy). Are you calling me a fairy? Oh well, I guess it is April 1. Would you like me to explain _why_ _THREAD_SAFE extracted from the bowels... ? -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 01:25:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA21297 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:25:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from securedata.co.za (tyr.securedata.co.za [196.31.48.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA21282 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:25:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andy@bss.co.za) Received: from securedata.co.za (tyr-ssn.securedata.co.za [192.168.10.1]) by sd.co.za (8.8.5/0.1.1) with ESMTP id LAA12825 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:26:48 +0200 (SAT) Message-ID: <35222ED0.CFC6FF6C@bss.co.za> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:10:56 -0200 From: Andy Bontoft Organization: BSS SecureDATA group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cc -pg & gprof question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i'm sorry if this is the wrong list for such a question, i tried -questions to no avail. could someone please be kind enough to tell me where i might find an example of using the gprof(1) program and/with cc -pg? (or tell me waht i'm doing wrong) i've read the psd:18 document and been through the archive search but can't seem to find the answer. i keep getting: % cc -pg -g test.c ld: -lc_p: no match and i don't seem to have a libc_p...(btw this is 2.2.5R) thanx for any assistance. andy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 01:43:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA23853 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:43:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from quokka.prth.tensor.pgs.com (quokka.prth.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.224.10] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA23839 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:43:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shocking@ariadne.prth.tensor.pgs.com) Received: from ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (ariadne [157.147.227.36]) by quokka.prth.tensor.pgs.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA19656 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:42:27 +0800 (WST) Received: from ariadne by ariadne.tensor.pgs.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA01206; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:42:07 +0800 Message-Id: <199804010942.RAA01206@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG cc: shocking@ariadne.prth.tensor.pgs.com Subject: Re: mozilla source In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Apr 1998 19:18:24 +1000." <199804010918.TAA06221@cimlogic.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 17:42:07 +0800 From: Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Terry Lambert wrote: > > The problem is that egcs requires that you decide whether or not you > > are going to use pthreads when you build your compiler, and then > > assumes that forever afterward, you will use -lc_r with all programs > > you ever compile with it (and in the FreeBSD case, _THREAD_SAFE, a > > bogosity from the bowels of the incompatibility fairy). > Doesn't our own gcc support the -thread option, which automagically setups up the right defines and links in the -lc_r lib? Stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 01:51:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA25956 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:51:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au ([203.36.2.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA25943 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 01:51:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id TAA06288; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:50:39 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199804010950.TAA06288@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: mozilla source In-Reply-To: <199804010942.RAA01206@ariadne.tensor.pgs.com> from Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth at "Apr 1, 98 05:42:07 pm" To: shocking@prth.pgs.com (Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:50:39 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, shocking@ariadne.prth.tensor.pgs.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stephen Hocking-Senior Programmer PGS Tensor Perth wrote: > Doesn't our own gcc support the -thread option, which automagically setups up > the right defines and links in the -lc_r lib? It does the -lc_r, but not defines. FWIW, _THREAD_SAFE is only required to get a thread-safe errno. This was a compromize to meet the requirement that libc_r was not allowed to have a runtime impact on code in libc. The errno implementation will have to change when (if? - it's now April!) kernel threads kick in. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 02:05:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA27720 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 02:05:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA27715 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 02:05:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00322 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:05:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <35221151.481FF62E@tdx.co.uk> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 11:05:05 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3.0-980311-SNAP? - Enough of it working? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Does anyone know if enough of the 3.0-980311 SNAP is working to get a system up and running enough to start tracking -CURRENT? The systems a dual P-Pro200, but with only 1 CPU at the moment... I've been unable to receive hackers for a while, so I'm a bit out of date... :-( Thanks in advance, Karl Pielorz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 05:33:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA26234 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 05:33:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (root@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA26224 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 05:33:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perlsta@cs.sunyit.edu) Received: from win95.local.sunyit.edu (A-T34.rh.sunyit.edu [150.156.210.241]) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA18350; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:35:10 GMT Message-ID: <017101bd5d72$40611100$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> From: "Alfred Perlstein" To: "Terry Lambert" Cc: Subject: Re: mozilla source Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:29:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG how "close" are we to useing the new gcc as our base compiler in FreeBSD? has it earned enough trust yet? Also, what about that assembler patch to as that was posted a few days ago, has this been commited? thank you, -Alfred -----Original Message----- From: Terry Lambert To: Jordan K. Hubbard Cc: paul@mu.org ; freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tuesday, March 31, 1998 11:16 PM Subject: Re: mozilla source >> Huh, you got it to link? Interesting. Using Eivind's port as a >> starting base, I got many link errors: >> >> iostream.cc:954: Undefined symbol `___get_dynamic_handler_chain' referenced from text segment >> strstream.h:56: Undefined symbol `___sjthrow' referenced from text segment >> strstream.h:56: Undefined symbol `___terminate' referenced from text segment >> strstream.cc:0: More undefined symbol ___sjthrow refs follow >> strstream.cc:0: More undefined symbol ___terminate refs follow >> ... >> >> How are others doing it? > >I see you are using egcs or g++ 2.7.2, which do not support C++ >exceptions when using pthreads, instead of gcc 2.8.x, which does. > >I complained about this before. > >The problem is that egcs requires that you decide whether or not you >are going to use pthreads when you build your compiler, and then >assumes that forever afterward, you will use -lc_r with all programs >you ever compile with it (and in the FreeBSD case, _THREAD_SAFE, a >bogosity from the bowels of the incompatibility fairy). > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org >--- >Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present >or previous employers. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 06:29:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA06179 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:29:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (ver2-103.uninet.net.mx [200.38.135.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA05704 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:28:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@ver1.telmex.net.mx) Received: from sunix (telmex@sunix.mexcom.net [206.103.64.3]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA27248; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:25:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <35224EB1.739E5E5@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 08:26:57 -0600 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dannyman CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source References: <19980331154019.54875@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG dannyman wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 04:10:22PM -0500, Open Systems Networking wrote: > > > > Just curious if there is going to be a FreeBSD/Netscape group :) > > > > Is there a group effort here to trim this baby, un-bloat it, debug it, for > > FreeBSD somewhere? Or is it an everyman for himself kinda thing? > > I know that mozilla.org has the bluesky project and whatnot, but all im > > really interested in is a FreeBSD centered effort. I see some really cool > > things happening now that we have the source. Cool for me being just > > having the daemon replace the N as the icon in the top right corner :) > > I want that little daemon to be stabbing ballons that say "MS" on them > while I'm downloading web pages! > > Of course, it should be user-configurable just what that daemon is doing. > I might get esoteric and link it to my QuickCam. Whee! Caught my attention the QuickCam. I thought it wasn't supported by FreeBSD anymore. I want to integrate a very simple (Inexpensive:-) video conferencing system on our office lan. Would that be a good solution or does someone have something better? I would be nice for it to work with reduced quality on a ppp modem connection for our telecommuting folks. Thanks ed P.D. Would this question be better in Multimedia? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 06:32:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07264 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:32:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA07216 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:32:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20061; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:31:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:31:39 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: dg@root.com cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <19980401014448.58609@vmunix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Right at the moment the limit is bandwidth - mostly with Sprint and MCI > > through the west coast NAPs. The secondary limit is CPU, but that only > > > > -DG >From my view on the east coast, I usually see the slowdown within CRL. I can ping their NYNAP router without packet loss, but taking them cross country usually results in ~20% packet loss on a bad day... Charles To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 06:44:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10454 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:44:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phobos.illtel.denver.co.us (abelits@phobos.illtel.denver.co.us [207.33.75.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10407 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:43:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abelits@phobos.illtel.denver.co.us) Received: from localhost (abelits@localhost) by phobos.illtel.denver.co.us (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA24392; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:46:52 -0800 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 06:46:51 -0800 (PST) From: Alex Belits To: Edwin Culp cc: dannyman , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: quickcam (was: Re: mozilla source) In-Reply-To: <35224EB1.739E5E5@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Edwin Culp wrote: > > Of course, it should be user-configurable just what that daemon is doing. > > I might get esoteric and link it to my QuickCam. Whee! > > Caught my attention the QuickCam. I thought it wasn't supported by > FreeBSD > anymore. I want to integrate a very simple (Inexpensive:-) video > conferencing > system on our office lan. Would that be a good solution or does someone > have > something better? I would be nice for it to work with reduced quality > on a > ppp modem connection for our telecommuting folks. I wrote some user-space camera handling -- grabber and HTTP streaming. http://phobos.illtel.denver.co.us/pub/qcread/README.html http://phobos.illtel.denver.co.us/pub/qcwebcam/README.html -- Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 07:13:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15339 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:13:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unix.tfs.net (as2-p84.tfs.net [139.146.205.84] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15333 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:13:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jbryant@unix.tfs.net) Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by unix.tfs.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id JAA01505 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:13:12 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199804011513.JAA01505@unix.tfs.net> Subject: Re: ftp.cdrom.com To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:13:11 -0600 (CST) Reply-to: jbryant@unix.tfs.net X-Windows: R00LZ!@# MS-Winbl0wz DR00LZ!@# X-files: The truth is that the X-Files is fiction X-Republican: The best kind!!! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #5: Sun Mar 8 12:29:10 CST 1998 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply: > On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Mark Mayo wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 07:50:25PM -0800, David Greenman wrote: > > > > The new 400MHz P-II's are using the 100MHz bus right? If so, this will > > be the first new generation of hardware that I'll be considering upgrading > > to - since my 200MHz PPro does very well right now. It will be > > interesting to see if the 400/100MHz PII setup will provide > > *significant* performance improvements over the PPro.. > > > > I think the 450MHz versions of PII will be out this summer, but it's > > mostly the 100MHz bus that I'm interested in! :-) > > Please, if you put one of these beasts into wcarchive, consider > re-enabling gzipping on the fly. I really miss it :-( i'd rather have the higher transaction limit. gzip is a cpu hog on ANY archetecture. anyhow, and someone correct me if i'm wrong, 99% of everything in the /pub/FreeBSD tree is already gzipped [except the ./src directory, and if all you do is "get src.tar.gz", i'd just highly suggest using cvsup instead... jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet:PK-232M To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 07:41:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23200 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:41:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@mail.ftf.dk [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23153 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:41:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23771 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:35:18 +0200 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id RAA19961 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:56:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id RAA15151; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:40:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980401174028.36025@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:40:28 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: The perfect library for writing screensavers :-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 Organization: PROSA Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG http://horac.ta.jcu.cz/aa/ It's a curses / plain text graphics library -- there's even a drop-in replacement for SVGAlib, and you can run doom in 160x60 :-) Very nifty. -- -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- «Pluto placed his bad dog at the entrance of Hades to keep the dead IN and the living OUT! The archetypical corporate firewall?» - S. Kelly Bootle, ("MYTHOLOGY", in Marutukku distrib) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 08:29:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA00504 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:29:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from csnet.cs.technion.ac.il (csnet.cs.technion.ac.il [132.68.32.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA00466 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:28:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nadav@cs.technion.ac.il) Received: from csd.csa (csd [132.68.32.8]) by csnet.cs.technion.ac.il (8.6.11/8.6.10) with ESMTP id TAA06433 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:28:26 +0300 Received: from localhost by csd.csa (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA00879; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:28:32 +0300 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:27:01 +0300 (IDT) From: Nadav Eiron X-Sender: nadav@csd To: Jim Bryant cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.com Subject: Re: ftp.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199804011501.JAA01463@unix.tfs.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Jim Bryant wrote: > In reply: > > On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Mark Mayo wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 07:50:25PM -0800, David Greenman wrote: > > > > > > The new 400MHz P-II's are using the 100MHz bus right? If so, this will > > > be the first new generation of hardware that I'll be considering upgrading > > > to - since my 200MHz PPro does very well right now. It will be > > > interesting to see if the 400/100MHz PII setup will provide > > > *significant* performance improvements over the PPro.. > > > > > > I think the 450MHz versions of PII will be out this summer, but it's > > > mostly the 100MHz bus that I'm interested in! :-) > > > > Please, if you put one of these beasts into wcarchive, consider > > re-enabling gzipping on the fly. I really miss it :-( > > i'd rather have the higher transaction limit. gzip is a cpu hog on > ANY archetecture. anyhow, and someone correct me if i'm wrong, 99% of > everything in the /pub/FreeBSD tree is already gzipped [except the > ./src directory, and if all you do is "get src.tar.gz", i'd just > highly suggest using cvsup instead... The ports. When I get to a friend's machine (and he doesn't have the ports installed, and certainly is not keeping it up to date with CVSup) getting some_port.tar.gz is very convinient, especially when all the bandwidth I'm getting is aroung 300 Bytes/sec. > > jim > -- > All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, > think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or > radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw > voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: KPC-3+ > Nadav To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 08:46:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02642 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:46:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA02565 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:46:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA10291; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:46:41 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199804011646.SAA10291@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: The perfect library for writing screensavers :-) In-Reply-To: <19980401174028.36025@deepo.prosa.dk> from Philippe Regnauld at "Apr 1, 98 05:40:28 pm" To: regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk (Philippe Regnauld) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:46:41 +0200 (MEST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply to Philippe Regnauld who wrote: > http://horac.ta.jcu.cz/aa/ > > It's a curses / plain text graphics library -- there's even > a drop-in replacement for SVGAlib, and you can run doom in 160x60 :-) > > Very nifty. And a perfect Aprils fool story, except it isn't... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 08:50:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03804 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:50:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (ver2-103.uninet.net.mx [200.38.135.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03236 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:48:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@ver1.telmex.net.mx) Received: from sunix (telmex@sunix.mexcom.net [206.103.64.3]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA29212; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:44:39 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <35226F4D.60E5824A@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:46:05 -0600 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Belits CC: dannyman , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: quickcam (was: Re: mozilla source) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alex Belits wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Edwin Culp wrote: > > > > Of course, it should be user-configurable just what that daemon is doing. > > > I might get esoteric and link it to my QuickCam. Whee! > > > > Caught my attention the QuickCam. I thought it wasn't supported by > > FreeBSD > > anymore. I want to integrate a very simple (Inexpensive:-) video > > conferencing > > system on our office lan. Would that be a good solution or does someone > > have > > something better? I would be nice for it to work with reduced quality > > on a > > ppp modem connection for our telecommuting folks. > > I wrote some user-space camera handling -- grabber and HTTP streaming. > > http://phobos.illtel.denver.co.us/pub/qcread/README.html > http://phobos.illtel.denver.co.us/pub/qcwebcam/README.html > > -- > Alex Thanks for the information and for changing the subject that I forgot. I am now downloading and ordering a couple for testing. Thanks again ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 09:02:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05492 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:02:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.net-link.net (mail.net-link.net [205.217.6.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05455 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:01:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wpub1@net-link.net) Received: from ricecake (grxa6-ppp46.triton.net [209.172.2.46]) by mail.net-link.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00142 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:01:47 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980401120642.0322000c@smtp.net-link.net> X-Sender: wpub1@smtp.net-link.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 12:06:42 -0500 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Matthew Hagerty Subject: Something about mbufs? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings, Please excuse me if this is too general of a question for hackers, but I'm looking for detailed info. Could someone explain to me exactally what mbuffs are and where they fit into the big picture? FreeBSD 2.2.5. Thanks, Matthew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 09:06:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06130 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:06:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06120 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:06:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA01699; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:04:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:04:26 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Terry Lambert cc: Ollivier Robert , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NFS over TCP In-Reply-To: <199804010644.XAA16209@usr02.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I don't think you can limit UDP usage in the portmapper. I'm afraid that > > the first call to the portmapper will always be in UDP. > > This is correct. As will the first mount request. > So what about the second mount request? ;) portmapper on the remote machine claims everything is available via tcp. nfsd started with the -t flag: fooclient# rpcinfo -p fooserver program vers proto port 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper 100000 2 udp 111 portmapper 100003 2 tcp 2049 nfs 100003 3 tcp 2049 nfs 100005 3 udp 931 mountd 100005 3 tcp 1003 mountd 100005 1 udp 931 mountd 100005 1 tcp 1003 mountd Call the mount: fooclient# mount_nfs -T -3 -s fooserver:/usr/src /usr/src NFS Portmap: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to send Ditto on "showmount". Tries udp and then gives up: This goes on until max retries is reached and then fails. IPFW shows this: Apr 1 11:12:32 fooclient /kernel: ipfw: 6099 Deny UDP 207.240.140.yyy:953 207.240.140.xxx:111 out via vx0 Showmount also tries udp once then exits: fooclient# showmount -e (-3 or not) fooserver RPC: Port mapper failure showmount: can't do exports rpc So should I call this "broken" and file a pr? The manpages are silent on the subject, and the referenced RFC dates back to 1989. I've yet to find the document titled "NFS: Network File System Version 3 Protocol Specification, Appendix I". This is -stable as of two days ago. I was digging through cvsweb (http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sbin/mount_nfs/mount_nfs.c) and I did find a commit from long long ago (vers. 1.9) that had this comment: "Fixed bug where UDP was required to mount a TCP NFS filesystem. Submitted by: Ken Hornstein, Sept.'94" Is it possible someone unfixed it? Shall I file a pr, or is there more information to gather? It seems as if rpcinfo is the only thing that actually does tcp queries... Thanks, Charles To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 09:49:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14826 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:49:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14816 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:49:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22626; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:49:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199804011749.JAA22626@austin.polstra.com> To: wpub1@net-link.net Subject: Re: Something about mbufs? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980401120642.0322000c@smtp.net-link.net> References: <3.0.3.32.19980401120642.0322000c@smtp.net-link.net> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 09:49:17 -0800 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <3.0.3.32.19980401120642.0322000c@smtp.net-link.net>, Matthew Hagerty wrote: > Could someone explain to me exactally what mbuffs are and where they fit > into the big picture? FreeBSD 2.2.5. The Addison-Wesley book "TCP/IP Illustrated, Volume 2, The Implementation," by Gary R. Wright and W. Richard Stevens, ISBN 0-201-63354-X tells all about this. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 10:01:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16228 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:01:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from asteroid.svib.ru (root@asteroid.svib.ru [195.151.166.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16209 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:01:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (shuttle.svib.ru [195.151.166.144]) by asteroid.svib.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22715 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:01:04 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (minas-tirith.pol.ru [127.0.0.1]) by minas-tirith.pol.ru (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA14732 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:01:44 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from tarkhil@minas-tirith.pol.ru) Message-Id: <199804011801.WAA14732@minas-tirith.pol.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Subject: Mozilla and LessTif Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 22:01:42 +0400 From: Alex Povolotsky Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! Has anyone managed to get mozilla running with LessTif? On my 2.2.5-RELEASE, it compiles, but statically linked monster (over 67 Mb) doesn't run at all, and dynamically linked complains loudly about lots of things and crashes... Alex. -- Alexander B. Povolotsky [2:5020/145] [http://freebsd.svib.ru] [tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru] [Urgent messages: 234-9696 ÁÂ.#35442 or tarkhil@pager.express.ru] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 10:20:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19712 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:20:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from teel.info-noire.com (XP11-1-2-03.interlinx.qc.ca [207.253.79.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19672 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:19:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@gel.usherb.ca) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by teel.info-noire.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA01328; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:25:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from alex@teel.info-noire.com) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:25:34 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Boisvert Reply-To: boia01@gel.usherb.ca To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Debugging new/delete for C++ In-Reply-To: <199803312124.OAA21011@pluto.plutotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > Anyone know of a debugging allocator package for C++ programs. > Essentially all I want is to dump out a list of all unfreed objects > at program termination listing the file and line number where they > were allocated, the size, and perhaps an allocation number. If you don't need thread support, look at http://reality.sgi.com/boehm/gc.html Works for C/C++ and was ported to FreeBSD by Jeffrey Hsu. Don't know if it's in the ports collection though... Alex. --- FreeBSD: Decouvrez la puissance de votre PC! www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 10:51:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25065 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:51:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24965 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:50:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA22670; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:49:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:49:24 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: boia01@gel.usherb.ca cc: "Justin T. Gibbs" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Debugging new/delete for C++ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Alex Boisvert wrote: > On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > > Anyone know of a debugging allocator package for C++ programs. > > Essentially all I want is to dump out a list of all unfreed objects > > at program termination listing the file and line number where they > > were allocated, the size, and perhaps an allocation number. > > If you don't need thread support, look at > > http://reality.sgi.com/boehm/gc.html > > Works for C/C++ and was ported to FreeBSD by Jeffrey Hsu. > > Don't know if it's in the ports collection though... It is, /usr/ports/devel/boehm-gc. > > Alex. > --- > FreeBSD: Decouvrez la puissance de votre PC! www.freebsd.org > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 11:15:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28785 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:15:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28778 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:15:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24135; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:15:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd024109; Wed Apr 1 12:15:25 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA16199; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:15:09 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199804011915.MAA16199@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: NFS over TCP To: spork@super-g.com (spork) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:15:09 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "spork" at Apr 1, 98 12:04:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > I don't think you can limit UDP usage in the portmapper. I'm afraid that > > > the first call to the portmapper will always be in UDP. > > > > This is correct. As will the first mount request. > > So what about the second mount request? ;) Well, if the portmapper can be asked about it, it will try TCP. > portmapper on the remote machine claims everything is available via tcp. > nfsd started with the -t flag: You miss the point. The portmapper *must* be initially contacted via udp. > So should I call this "broken" and file a pr? The manpages are silent on > the subject, and the referenced RFC dates back to 1989. I've yet to find > the document titled "NFS: Network File System Version 3 Protocol > Specification, Appendix I". This is -stable as of two days ago. You need to look at the portmapper documentation, instead. > "Fixed bug where UDP was required to mount a TCP NFS filesystem. > Submitted by: Ken Hornstein, Sept.'94" > > Is it possible someone unfixed it? Yes, but not likely. This bears on the mount command; what is failing for you is the oncRPC request to the portmapper that asks it, among other things, whther or not you can use TCP to talk to it. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 11:51:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04321 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:51:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04310 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:51:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18907; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:51:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd018845; Wed Apr 1 12:51:22 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18072; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:51:14 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199804011951.MAA18072@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: mozilla source To: jb@cimlogic.com.au (John Birrell) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:51:14 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, paul@mu.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199804010918.TAA06221@cimlogic.com.au> from "John Birrell" at Apr 1, 98 07:18:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > The problem is that egcs requires that you decide whether or not you > > are going to use pthreads when you build your compiler, and then > > assumes that forever afterward, you will use -lc_r with all programs > > you ever compile with it (and in the FreeBSD case, _THREAD_SAFE, a > > bogosity from the bowels of the incompatibility fairy). > > Are you calling me a fairy? > Oh well, I guess it is April 1. The Incompatibility Fairy is the creature who sprinkles the Incompatability Dust on our heads as we code up changes to software. You are her victim (boy, what an ego, thinking that *you* could possibly be the Incompatability Fairy! Sheesh! 8-)). > Would you like me to explain _why_ _THREAD_SAFE extracted from the > bowels... ? It shouldn't be #ifdef'ed at all. The default headers should be the same for both threads and not threads. Yes, I know this means wrapping errno and a couple of other changes to the default libc. I don't care. It's The Right Thing To Do. "Magic" light switches should be left in Incompatability Land, where they belong. =(1)================================================================= = = = One problem here is that Cygnus Royally F***ed Up exception and = = mutex code in egcs. You have to decide at compile time whether = = or not you are going have threads support in the compiler. = = = ====================================================================== IMO, egcs is *evil* because of the soloution they chose. =(2)================================================================= = = = If you decide to have threads support in the compiler, then you = = *MUST*, in all cases, compile all code with -D_THREAD_SAFE and = = link all code with -lc_r in place of the standard library. = = A failure to do this will result in "wierd" code behaviour. = = = ====================================================================== In contrast, you can, with this patch (which was already submitted for inclusion in the FreeBSD gcc/g++ 2.8.x port, but is apparently not there: Jordan had problems) *dynamically* decide, *at the time you compile your code, NOT at the time you compile your compiler* whther or not you are required to use _THREAD_SAFE and/or link with -lc_r. Note: Cygnus rejected this patch because they had already decided on their bogus implementation, where you need two compilers to be able to compile with or without threads. The patch was not submitted to FSF (but should be) for fear of a schism. Oh, yeah: it's under the same license as the code it patches. -- BEGIN: Jeremy Allison's patch --------------------------------------- *** libgcc2.c.orig Fri Feb 6 12:17:16 1998 --- libgcc2.c Fri Feb 6 14:57:17 1998 *************** *** 3201,3206 **** --- 3201,3229 ---- static void *top_elt[2]; void **__dynamic_handler_chain = top_elt; + #if 1 /* MAKE_THREAD_SAFE */ + + typedef void *** (*dynamic_handler_allocator)(); + static dynamic_handler_allocator dah = 0; + + void __set_dynamic_handler_allocator( dynamic_handler_allocator new_dah) + { + dah = new_dah; + } + + /* Routine to get the head of the current thread's dynamic handler chain + use for exception handling. */ + + void *** + __get_dynamic_handler_chain () + { + if(dah == 0) + return &__dynamic_handler_chain; + return (*dah)(); + } + + #else + /* Routine to get the head of the current thread's dynamic handler chain use for exception handling. *************** *** 3211,3216 **** --- 3234,3241 ---- { return &__dynamic_handler_chain; } + + #endif /* This is used to throw an exception when the setjmp/longjmp codegen method is used for exception handling. -- END: Jeremy Allison's patch ----------------------------------------- Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 12:58:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10311 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:58:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10301 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:58:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29810; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:58:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Message-ID: <3522AA6E.F0C8C02E@san.rr.com> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 12:58:22 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE-0325 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eivind Eklund CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source / -CURRENT References: <19980331172027.43522@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> <19980401013027.00897@follo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Eivind Eklund wrote: > Dunno. I've just put my port online at > http://www.freebsd.org/~eivind/moz_port.tgz > > It should work, but no guarantees - it isn't tested almost at all. > (I've bascially just collected all the patches I needed for the first > compile run, and am doing the second compile run right now - so it > might not even compile). If you're interested in 2.2.6 results, I was able to compile with your port (using Motif 2.0) however the dynamic binary gave an error about not being able to find a library (I don't remember which, but 'locate' had never heard of it) and when I started the static binary it consumed more and more cpu but never appeared. I realize it's alpha stuff, just providing a data point. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 13:02:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11490 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:02:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from p.funk.org (p.funk.org [194.109.86.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11047 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:00:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alexlh@xs4all.nl) Received: from xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p.funk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01582; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:00:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from alexlh@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <3522AAE2.203C267E@xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 21:00:18 +0000 From: Alex Le Heux X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dk+@ua.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: multi-port ethernet cards References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dmitry Kohmanyuk wrote: > > In article <199803231942.LAA21699@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> you wrote: > > > Does anyone know of any multi-port ethernet (10baseT) cards that > > > are supported? > > > Or that might easily become supported? > > > > > > http://www.zynx.com/ > > correction here - www.znyx.com ... > > > I have the ZX-314 and works great with FreeBSD (4 port card). Adaptec/Cogent > > makes one too, which is supported as far I know. > > I use ZX314 too, and it works great. This is the same card used in > NetApp NFS servers btw. Here is a dmesg: > [snip] Hmmm... How many of these would I be able to put in my machine? Alex -- A computer without Windows is like a fish without a bicycle. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 13:42:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19849 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:42:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au ([203.36.2.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19775 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:42:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id HAA07461; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:42:07 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199804012142.HAA07461@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Exception handling in 2.8.0 (Was Re: mozilla source) In-Reply-To: <199804011951.MAA18072@usr05.primenet.com> from Terry Lambert at "Apr 1, 98 07:51:14 pm" To: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:42:07 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert wrote: > In contrast, you can, with this patch (which was already submitted > for inclusion in the FreeBSD gcc/g++ 2.8.x port, but is apparently > not there: Jordan had problems) *dynamically* decide, *at the time > you compile your code, NOT at the time you compile your compiler* > whther or not you are required to use _THREAD_SAFE and/or link with > -lc_r. > > Note: Cygnus rejected this patch because they had already decided > on their bogus implementation, where you need two compilers to be > able to compile with or without threads. The patch was not submitted > to FSF (but should be) for fear of a schism. I think there is an alternative method that will achieve the same result, but without affecting Cygnus/FSF sources. We can add a replacement function for void *** __get_dynamic_handler_chain () { return &__dynamic_handler_chain; } to libc_r that can do this: void *** __get_dynamic_handler_chain () { return &_thread_run->dynamic_handler_chain; } I guess that I must be missing something here. Seems simple. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 13:52:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21443 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:52:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21412 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:52:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07742; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:51:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804012151.NAA07742@implode.root.com> To: spork cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.cdrom.com In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Apr 1998 09:31:39 EST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 13:51:56 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >> > Right at the moment the limit is bandwidth - mostly with Sprint and MCI >> > through the west coast NAPs. The secondary limit is CPU, but that only >> > >> > -DG > >>From my view on the east coast, I usually see the slowdown within CRL. I >can ping their NYNAP router without packet loss, but taking them cross >country usually results in ~20% packet loss on a bad day... The return path is via the west coast NAPs, but recently I've seen a small amount of packet loss to the east coast during peak daytime hours. CRL is adding new backbone capacity so I suspect this to only be a temporary problem. For us, the CRL backbone is only used to carry packet ACKs, so it isn't nearly as big a problem for us as the west coast NAPs are (where nearly all of our traffic is egressed). -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 14:00:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22784 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:00:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22763 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA24040; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:58:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:58:51 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: David Greenman cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199804012151.NAA07742@implode.root.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ooops, forgot about asymmetrical routing... Certainly makes things harder to troubleshoot. At least Mae-West isn't in a parking garage like it's east coast twin. Charles > > The return path is via the west coast NAPs, but recently I've seen a small > amount of packet loss to the east coast during peak daytime hours. CRL is > adding new backbone capacity so I suspect this to only be a temporary problem. > For us, the CRL backbone is only used to carry packet ACKs, so it isn't nearly > as big a problem for us as the west coast NAPs are (where nearly all of our > traffic is egressed). > > -DG > > David Greenman > Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 14:37:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01280 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:37:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dog.farm.org (gw-hssi-2.farm.org [209.66.103.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01268 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:37:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dog.farm.org!dk) Received: (from dk@localhost) by dog.farm.org (8.7.5/dk#3) id OAA05066; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:43:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980401144327.50686@dog.farm.org> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:43:27 -0800 From: Dmitry Kohmanyuk =?KOI8-R?B?5M3J1NLJyiDrz8jNwc7Ayw==?= To: Alex Le Heux Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: multi-port ethernet cards Reply-To: dk+@ua.net References: <3522AAE2.203C267E@xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <3522AAE2.203C267E@xs4all.nl>; from "Alex Le Heux" on Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 09:00:18PM +0000 X-Class: Fast X-OS-Used: FreeBSD 2.2-960501-SNAP X-NIC-Handle: DK379 X-Pager-Email: dk@interpage.net Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 09:00:18PM +0000, Alex Le Heux wrote: > > correction here - www.znyx.com ... > > > > > I have the ZX-314 and works great with FreeBSD (4 port card). Adaptec/Cogent > > > makes one too, which is supported as far I know. > > > > I use ZX314 too, and it works great. This is the same card used in > > NetApp NFS servers btw. Here is a dmesg: > Hmmm... How many of these would I be able to put in my machine? I have 2 without any problems. Bear in mind that each of those is a PCI bus of its own, and uses 4 IRQs. Not a problem by itself because PCI is known to support shared IRQs, but still... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 14:39:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01905 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:39:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01894 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:39:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (mail.futuresouth.com [207.141.254.21]) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA19765; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:39:10 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:39:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Tom cc: Mark Mayo , dg@root.com, Robert Watson , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Tom wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Mark Mayo wrote: > > > The new 400MHz P-II's are using the 100MHz bus right? If so, this will > > be the first new generation of hardware that I'll be considering upgrading > > to - since my 200MHz PPro does very well right now. It will be > > There are other important things in the new slot II P-IIs: > > - L2 cache will operate at full CPU clock speed as opposed to current half > rate > - L2 cache will be available in 1MB and 2MB sizes Now all they need to do is make Slot-foo an open architecture.... *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | FreeBSD; the way computers were meant to be | * "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is * | that I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet."| * fullermd@futuresouth.com :-} MAtthew Fuller * | http://keystone.westminster.edu/~fullermd | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 14:42:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02770 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:42:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sargasso.cps.msu.edu (sargasso.cps.msu.edu [35.9.20.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02656 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:41:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fleislaw@cps.msu.edu) Received: from titan.cps.msu.edu (titan.cps.msu.edu [35.9.37.131]) by sargasso.cps.msu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02605 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:41:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.cps.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by titan.cps.msu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04729 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:41:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804012241.RAA04729@titan.cps.msu.edu> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: divert protocol From: "l. benjamin fleis" Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 17:41:55 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there a good source out there for the DIVERT protocol? I've looked through the headers and source, but I wonder if there is a text source for good information on the subject. I've search the handbook, and altavista with little luck. Any recommendations? ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 15:34:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09044 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:34:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotmail.com (f90.hotmail.com [207.82.250.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA09034 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:34:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from v_pr@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 24179 invoked by uid 0); 1 Apr 1998 23:33:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19980401233337.24178.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.125.90.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 15:33:37 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.125.90.2] From: "pratap singh" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, wpub1@net-link.net Subject: Re: Something about mbufs? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 15:33:37 PST Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Have you taken a look at TCP/IP vol II by Richard Stevens. Maybe that'll help. Regards, prats >From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Wed Apr 1 09:51:07 1998 >Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) > by smyrno.sol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNNS-1.02) with ESMTP id LAA14580; > Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:02:17 -0600 (CST) >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA05654; > Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:02:15 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:02:05 -0800 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05492 > for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:02:04 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) >Received: from mail.net-link.net (mail.net-link.net [205.217.6.20]) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05455 > for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:01:58 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from wpub1@net-link.net) >Received: from ricecake (grxa6-ppp46.triton.net [209.172.2.46]) by mail.net-link.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00142 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:01:47 -0500 >Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980401120642.0322000c@smtp.net-link.net> >X-Sender: wpub1@smtp.net-link.net >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) >Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 12:06:42 -0500 >To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG >From: Matthew Hagerty >Subject: Something about mbufs? >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG >X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >Greetings, > > Please excuse me if this is too general of a question for hackers, but >I'm looking for detailed info. > > Could someone explain to me exactally what mbuffs are and where they fit >into the big picture? FreeBSD 2.2.5. > >Thanks, >Matthew > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 15:34:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09187 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:34:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09130 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:34:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ambrisko@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA27943; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from crab.whistle.com(207.76.205.112), claiming to be "whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd027932; Wed Apr 1 23:22:55 1998 Received: (from ambrisko@localhost) by whistle.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id PAA26543; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:19:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ambrisko) From: Doug Ambrisko Message-Id: <199804012319.PAA26543@whistle.com> Subject: Re: multi-port ethernet cards In-Reply-To: <19980401144327.50686@dog.farm.org> from "Dmitry Kohmanyuk [_______ ________]" at "Apr 1, 98 02:43:27 pm" To: dk+@ua.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:19:43 -0800 (PST) Cc: alexlh@xs4all.nl, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL29 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dmitry Kohmanyuk [_______ ________] writes: | On Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 09:00:18PM +0000, Alex Le Heux wrote: | > > correction here - www.znyx.com ... | > > | > > > I have the ZX-314 and works great with FreeBSD (4 port card). Adaptec/Cogent | > > > makes one too, which is supported as far I know. | > > | > > I use ZX314 too, and it works great. This is the same card used in | > > NetApp NFS servers btw. Here is a dmesg: | | > Hmmm... How many of these would I be able to put in my machine? | | I have 2 without any problems. We run 3 normally and 4 under test to see if we can. Note ATX motherboards are helpful since AT motherboards usually stick the cpu behind the PCI slots. This results in the full length PCI card hitting the CPU fan. Doug A. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 15:52:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11585 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:52:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from m4.stox.sa.enteract.com (stox.sa.enteract.com [207.229.132.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA11538 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 15:51:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@stox.sa.enteract.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.stox.sa.enteract.com [127.0.0.1]) by m4.stox.sa.enteract.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA14601; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:51:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:51:29 -0600 (CST) From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: Alex Povolotsky cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mozilla and LessTif In-Reply-To: <199804011801.WAA14732@minas-tirith.pol.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, I've gotten far enough to bring up the first screen, then it locks up. :-( I'm using 3.0-current, lesstif 0.83, and Eilvind's port. On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Alex Povolotsky wrote: > Hello! > > Has anyone managed to get mozilla running with LessTif? On my 2.2.5-RELEASE, > it compiles, but statically linked monster (over 67 Mb) doesn't run at all, > and dynamically linked complains loudly about lots of things and crashes... > > Alex. > -- > Alexander B. Povolotsky > [2:5020/145] [http://freebsd.svib.ru] [tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru] > [Urgent messages: 234-9696 ÁÂ.#35442 or tarkhil@pager.express.ru] > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 17:10:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17466 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:10:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17460 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:10:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA12091; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 02:09:43 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id DAA14568; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 03:10:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980402030908.62016@follo.net> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 03:09:08 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: "Kenneth P. Stox" , Alex Povolotsky Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mozilla and LessTif References: <199804011801.WAA14732@minas-tirith.pol.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Kenneth P. Stox on Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 05:51:29PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 05:51:29PM -0600, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > > Well, I've gotten far enough to bring up the first screen, then it locks > up. :-( I'm using 3.0-current, lesstif 0.83, and Eilvind's port. That's apparently due to a bad free in Lesstif. Here's a patch (From Dan McGuirk , originally posted to mozilla-general): Index: lib/Xm/FontList.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/cvsroot/lesstif/lib/Xm/FontList.c,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 diff -u -r1.1.1.1 FontList.c --- FontList.c 1998/03/31 21:39:14 1.1.1.1 +++ FontList.c 1998/04/01 00:54:55 @@ -211,7 +211,7 @@ if (entry) { XtFree((*entry)->tag); - XtFree((XtPointer)entry); + XtFree((XtPointer)*entry); /* should we close the Font? */ } Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 17:15:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18198 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:15:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotmail.com (f105.hotmail.com [207.82.250.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA18187 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:15:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_reman@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 21347 invoked by uid 0); 2 Apr 1998 01:14:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19980402011451.21346.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.76.148.168 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 17:14:50 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.76.148.168] From: "Chris Day" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.cdrom.com Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:14:50 EST Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Mark Mayo wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 31, 1998 at 07:50:25PM -0800, David Greenman wrote: >> >> The new 400MHz P-II's are using the 100MHz bus right? If so, this will >> be the first new generation of hardware that I'll be considering upgrading >> to - since my 200MHz PPro does very well right now. It will be >> interesting to see if the 400/100MHz PII setup will provide >> *significant* performance improvements over the PPro.. >> >> I think the 450MHz versions of PII will be out this summer, but it's >> mostly the 100MHz bus that I'm interested in! :-) Although one of the advantages the PPro does have over the PII's is that you can have 4 PPro's and you can only have 2 PII's now if you've got you're ftp site distributed across some machines then maybe its not so much of a concern, but at the moment PPro's are the chip of choice for high-end servers, plus I believe the PPro can cache all 4Gb of memory while PII can only do 512Mb. So dream machine would be - 4 PPro 200's (overclocked to 233 :) all with 1Mb of L2 cache and > 512Mb RAM. regards, chris -- Christopher Day, The reman, Loosecannon E-Mail the_reman@hotmail.com Homepage http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Lair/1218 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 17:54:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23006 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:54:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22999 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:54:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09373; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:54:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804020154.RAA09373@implode.root.com> To: "Chris Day" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.cdrom.com In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:14:50 EST." <19980402011451.21346.qmail@hotmail.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 17:54:05 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>> I think the 450MHz versions of PII will be out this summer, but it's >>> mostly the 100MHz bus that I'm interested in! :-) > >Although one of the advantages the PPro does have over the PII's is that >you can have 4 PPro's and you can only have 2 PII's now if you've got >you're ftp site distributed across some machines then maybe its not so >much of a concern, but at the moment PPro's are the chip of choice for >high-end servers, plus I believe the PPro can cache all 4Gb of memory >while PII can only do 512Mb. > >So dream machine would be - 4 PPro 200's (overclocked to 233 :) all with >1Mb of L2 cache and > 512Mb RAM. The cachability restriction is one of the things that the new Slot II processors solve. I don't know how scalable they are with SMP, however, although this isn't an issue for ftp.cdrom.com where I have no near-term plans to go beyond a single processor. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 18:13:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26954 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:13:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jamesn.locker13.com (root@jamesn.locker13.com [206.138.229.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA26859 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 18:13:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jamesn@jamesn.locker13.com) Received: from localhost (741 bytes) by jamesn.locker13.com via sendmail with P:stdio/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:11:51 -0600 (CST) (Smail-3.2.0.98 1997-Oct-16 #3 built 1997-Oct-30) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:11:51 -0600 (CST) From: James Nuckolls To: tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Subject: Re: Mozilla and LessTif In-Reply-To: <199804011801.WAA14732@minas-tirith.pol.ru> cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In mailinglist.freebsd.hackers, you wrote: >Hello! > >Has anyone managed to get mozilla running with LessTif? On my 2.2.5-RELEASE, >it compiles, but statically linked monster (over 67 Mb) doesn't run at all, I've actually gotten it to run, but only if I set BUILD_OPT along with the rest of the environment variables. I'd also suggest you run strip across the binary when it's finely build. Mozilla minus the symbols is 7.5Meg. ...now if I can only get the mail and news modules to compile... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 19:06:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03651 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:06:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cynix.ecn.purdue.edu (cynix.ecn.purdue.edu [128.46.198.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03615 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:05:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from splite@purdue.edu) Received: (from splite@localhost) by cynix.ecn.purdue.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA25089 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:04:41 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Plite Message-Id: <199804020304.WAA25089@cynix.ecn.purdue.edu> Subject: Re: Mozilla and LessTif To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:04:40 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: from "James Nuckolls" at Apr 1, 98 08:11:51 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I believe it was James Nuckolls who once wrote: > > In mailinglist.freebsd.hackers, you wrote: > >Hello! > > > >Has anyone managed to get mozilla running with LessTif? On my 2.2.5-RELEASE, > >it compiles, but statically linked monster (over 67 Mb) doesn't run at all, > > I've actually gotten it to run, but only if I set BUILD_OPT along > with the rest of the environment variables. > > I'd also suggest you run strip across the binary when it's finely > build. Mozilla minus the symbols is 7.5Meg. > > ...now if I can only get the mail and news modules to compile... Jeez Laweez. No Java, crypto, news, or mail, and it's *still* 7.5 MB? How much of that is LessTif? Guess I'll be staying with Navigator 3.04 for a while ("only" 4.6 MB statically linked. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 20:12:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA12619 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:12:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [208.131.56.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA12610 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:12:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fritcher@calweb.com) Received: by mail.calweb.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA28122 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:12:11 -0800 (PST) X-SMTP: helo web2.calweb.com from fritcher@calweb.com server fritcher@web2.calweb.com ip 208.131.56.52 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:12:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" Reply-To: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: pthread question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was experimenting with the pthread libraries earlier and I stumbled across an interesting problem. I was playing with one of the short test programs out of O'Reilly's Pthreads Programming, and decided to see how big a statically linked executable would be, but when running gcc with the -static flag, it complains that _pthread_join is an undefined symbol. If I compile the program without the -static flag it compiles just fine and runs normally. This is the exact command and the results that I get. [jkf@sys1:~/src/thread]$ gcc -g -D_THREAD_SAFE -lc_r -static -o blah blah.c blah.c:22: Undefined symbol `_pthread_join' referenced from text segment blah.c:23: Undefined symbol `_pthread_join' referenced from text segment I looked in libc_r.a and the uthread_join.o object is in there so, I really don't understand why this is happening. I've also searched through the questions/hackers list archive and can't find anything in there that relates to this. Thanx. :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason K. Fritcher Sr. Technical Support fritcher@calweb.com Calweb Internet Services http://www.calweb.com/ 916-641-9320 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bits/KeyID Date Fingerprint 2048/C6663B59 1997/07/11 D3678FFC53D4EA7E 19329F41812F0F58 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 20:47:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16960 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:47:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [208.131.56.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16954 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:47:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fritcher@calweb.com) Received: by mail.calweb.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA04667 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:47:46 -0800 (PST) X-SMTP: helo web2.calweb.com from fritcher@calweb.com server fritcher@web2.calweb.com ip 208.131.56.52 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:47:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pthread question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Jason K. Fritcher wrote: > I was experimenting with the pthread libraries earlier and I stumbled > across an interesting problem. I was playing with one of the short test > programs out of O'Reilly's Pthreads Programming, and decided to see how > big a statically linked executable would be, but when running gcc with the > -static flag, it complains that _pthread_join is an undefined symbol. If I > compile the program without the -static flag it compiles just fine and > runs normally. This is the exact command and the results that I get. > > > [jkf@sys1:~/src/thread]$ gcc -g -D_THREAD_SAFE -lc_r -static -o blah blah.c > blah.c:22: Undefined symbol `_pthread_join' referenced from text segment > blah.c:23: Undefined symbol `_pthread_join' referenced from text segment > > > I looked in libc_r.a and the uthread_join.o object is in there so, I > really don't understand why this is happening. I've also searched through > the questions/hackers list archive and can't find anything in there that > relates to this. Oh, also, I am doing this on a 2.2.6-STABLE system that was cvsuped about a week ago. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason K. Fritcher Sr. Technical Support fritcher@calweb.com Calweb Internet Services http://www.calweb.com/ 916-641-9320 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bits/KeyID Date Fingerprint 2048/C6663B59 1997/07/11 D3678FFC53D4EA7E 19329F41812F0F58 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 21:31:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23171 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:31:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au ([203.36.2.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA23153 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:31:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id PAA12611; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:31:03 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199804020531.PAA12611@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: pthread question In-Reply-To: from "Jason K. Fritcher" at "Apr 1, 98 08:12:11 pm" To: fritcher@calweb.com Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:31:03 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jason K. Fritcher wrote: > [jkf@sys1:~/src/thread]$ gcc -g -D_THREAD_SAFE -lc_r -static -o blah blah.c > blah.c:22: Undefined symbol `_pthread_join' referenced from text segment > blah.c:23: Undefined symbol `_pthread_join' referenced from text segment Try putting the -lc_r after the -o blah. Is it possible that the linker thinks that it has already searched libc_r before it gets to blah.o so it doesn't go back to resolve references it finds in blah.o? -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 21:40:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24762 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:40:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [208.131.56.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24753 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:40:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fritcher@calweb.com) Received: by mail.calweb.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA14607; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:40:07 -0800 (PST) X-SMTP: helo web2.calweb.com from fritcher@calweb.com server fritcher@web2.calweb.com ip 208.131.56.52 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:40:07 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: John Birrell cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pthread question In-Reply-To: <199804020531.PAA12611@cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, John Birrell wrote: > Jason K. Fritcher wrote: > > [jkf@sys1:~/src/thread]$ gcc -g -D_THREAD_SAFE -lc_r -static -o blah blah.c > > blah.c:22: Undefined symbol `_pthread_join' referenced from text segment > > blah.c:23: Undefined symbol `_pthread_join' referenced from text segment > > Try putting the -lc_r after the -o blah. Is it possible that the linker > thinks that it has already searched libc_r before it gets to blah.o > so it doesn't go back to resolve references it finds in blah.o? Tried it, but it didn't make any difference. If it was the problem, it should have given me errors about _pthread_create being unreferenced also. It is really puzzling why it is finding the _pthread_create function, but not the one above. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason K. Fritcher Sr. Technical Support fritcher@calweb.com Calweb Internet Services http://www.calweb.com/ 916-641-9320 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bits/KeyID Date Fingerprint 2048/C6663B59 1997/07/11 D3678FFC53D4EA7E 19329F41812F0F58 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 21:44:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25744 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:44:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au ([203.36.2.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25731 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:44:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id PAA12640; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:43:42 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199804020543.PAA12640@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: pthread question In-Reply-To: from "Jason K. Fritcher" at "Apr 1, 98 09:40:07 pm" To: fritcher@calweb.com (Jason K. Fritcher) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:43:42 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jason K. Fritcher wrote: > Tried it, but it didn't make any difference. If it was the problem, it > should have given me errors about _pthread_create being unreferenced also. > It is really puzzling why it is finding the _pthread_create function, but > not the one above. I link a lot of things static, but I always issue separate commands for compile and link. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 22:00:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27363 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:00:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ppp1682.on.bellglobal.com (ppp6543.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.208.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA27351 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:00:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by ppp1682.on.bellglobal.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA02985; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:51:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ac199@hwcn.org) X-Authentication-Warning: ppp1682.on.bellglobal.com: tim owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:51:06 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek X-Sender: tim@localhost Reply-To: ac199@hwcn.org To: Chuck Robey cc: Brian Cully , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Objective C rules for /usr/share/mk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Chuck Robey wrote: > Sounds fine, I'll see them then. I was somewhat concerned if they were > biased towards one implementation (GNU's Objective C versus objc, for > example). Well, there is a certain system bias already in that we do ship gcc... Similar to the way we ship a particular f77 compiler... -- tIM...HOEk OPTIMIZATION: the process of using many one-letter variables names hoping that the resultant code will run faster. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 22:03:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA28650 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:03:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gala.tversu.ru (vadim@gala.tversu.ru [62.76.80.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA28608 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:02:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vadim@gala.tversu.ru) Received: (from vadim@localhost) by gala.tversu.ru (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA00318; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:02:01 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <19980402100201.54463@tversu.ru> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:02:01 +0400 From: Vadim Kolontsov To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: package for client/server app Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, imagine that I've ported some application which consists of two parts: client & server. You run server on 1 machine and client on others (unless ssh, for example, where every unix box can act as client/server). What is The Right Way to create port/package for such application? Add a shell script (my current solution) which will be started after compiling and will ask user if he wants only client part (or a both server/client) to be installed... But how can I create package for this? Or may be I should create two different ports (for client and for server)? Sorry, if it's well-known issue, I was unable to found an answer in available information sources. Regards, V. -- Vadim Kolontsov Tver Internet Center NOC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 22:11:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29699 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:11:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unix.tfs.net (as1-p38.tfs.net [139.146.210.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29681 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:11:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jbryant@unix.tfs.net) Received: (from jbryant@localhost) by unix.tfs.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) id AAA02510; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:11:20 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Bryant Message-Id: <199804020611.AAA02510@unix.tfs.net> Subject: Re: ftp.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199804020154.RAA09373@implode.root.com> from David Greenman at "Apr 1, 98 05:54:05 pm" To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:11:19 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: jbryant@unix.tfs.net X-Windows: R00LZ!@# MS-Winbl0wz DR00LZ!@# X-files: The truth is that the X-Files is fiction X-Republican: The best kind!!! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT #5: Sun Mar 8 12:29:10 CST 1998 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply: > >>> I think the 450MHz versions of PII will be out this summer, but it's > >>> mostly the 100MHz bus that I'm interested in! :-) > > > >Although one of the advantages the PPro does have over the PII's is that > >you can have 4 PPro's and you can only have 2 PII's now if you've got > >you're ftp site distributed across some machines then maybe its not so > >much of a concern, but at the moment PPro's are the chip of choice for > >high-end servers, plus I believe the PPro can cache all 4Gb of memory > >while PII can only do 512Mb. > > > >So dream machine would be - 4 PPro 200's (overclocked to 233 :) all with > >1Mb of L2 cache and > 512Mb RAM. > > The cachability restriction is one of the things that the new Slot II > processors solve. I don't know how scalable they are with SMP, however, > although this isn't an issue for ftp.cdrom.com where I have no near-term > plans to go beyond a single processor. One of the systems on our floor at work is a new DG box... 4 P-II's... jim -- All opinions expressed are mine, if you | "I will not be pushed, stamped, think otherwise, then go jump into turbid | briefed, debriefed, indexed, or radioactive waters and yell WAHOO !!! | numbered!" - #1, "The Prisoner" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Inet: jbryant@tfs.net AX.25: kc5vdj@wv0t.#neks.ks.usa.noam grid: EM28pw voice: KC5VDJ - 6 & 2 Meters AM/FM/SSB, 70cm FM. http://www.tfs.net/~jbryant ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HF/6M/2M: IC-706-MkII, 2M: HTX-212, 2M: HTX-202, 70cm: HTX-404, Packet: KPC-3+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 22:31:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04696 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:31:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA04680 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:31:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca36-50.ix.netcom.com [207.93.42.242]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA29131; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id WAA22491; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:30:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:30:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804020630.WAA22491@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: vadim@tversu.ru CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19980402100201.54463@tversu.ru> (message from Vadim Kolontsov on Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:02:01 +0400) Subject: Re: package for client/server app From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Or may be I should create two different ports (for client and for server)? That's probably better. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 22:44:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07627 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:44:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07613 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:44:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost (benedict@localhost) by echonyc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA29603; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:40:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:40:07 -0500 (EST) From: Snob Art Genre To: Eivind Eklund cc: "Kenneth P. Stox" , Alex Povolotsky , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mozilla and LessTif In-Reply-To: <19980402030908.62016@follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has this been committed to the port? Or do I have to either patch it by hand or wait for 0.84? On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 05:51:29PM -0600, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > > > > Well, I've gotten far enough to bring up the first screen, then it locks > > up. :-( I'm using 3.0-current, lesstif 0.83, and Eilvind's port. > > That's apparently due to a bad free in Lesstif. Here's a patch (From > Dan McGuirk , originally posted to > mozilla-general): > > Index: lib/Xm/FontList.c > =================================================================== > RCS file: /usr/local/cvsroot/lesstif/lib/Xm/FontList.c,v > retrieving revision 1.1.1.1 > diff -u -r1.1.1.1 FontList.c > --- FontList.c 1998/03/31 21:39:14 1.1.1.1 > +++ FontList.c 1998/04/01 00:54:55 > @@ -211,7 +211,7 @@ > if (entry) > { > XtFree((*entry)->tag); > - XtFree((XtPointer)entry); > + XtFree((XtPointer)*entry); > > /* should we close the Font? */ > } > > > Eivind. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 22:58:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA09110 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:58:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thunderdome.plutotech.com (root@thunderdome.plutotech.com [206.168.67.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09105 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 22:58:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (ken@panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by thunderdome.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05421; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:58:30 -0700 (MST) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id XAA03891; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:58:26 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199804020658.XAA03891@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: ftp.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199804020611.AAA02510@unix.tfs.net> from Jim Bryant at "Apr 2, 98 00:11:19 am" To: jbryant@unix.tfs.net Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:58:26 -0700 (MST) Cc: dg@root.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jim Bryant wrote... > In reply: > > >>> I think the 450MHz versions of PII will be out this summer, but it's > > >>> mostly the 100MHz bus that I'm interested in! :-) > > > > > >Although one of the advantages the PPro does have over the PII's is that > > >you can have 4 PPro's and you can only have 2 PII's now if you've got > > >you're ftp site distributed across some machines then maybe its not so > > >much of a concern, but at the moment PPro's are the chip of choice for > > >high-end servers, plus I believe the PPro can cache all 4Gb of memory > > >while PII can only do 512Mb. > > > > > >So dream machine would be - 4 PPro 200's (overclocked to 233 :) all with > > >1Mb of L2 cache and > 512Mb RAM. > > > > The cachability restriction is one of the things that the new Slot II > > processors solve. I don't know how scalable they are with SMP, however, > > although this isn't an issue for ftp.cdrom.com where I have no near-term > > plans to go beyond a single processor. > > One of the systems on our floor at work is a new DG box... 4 P-II's... Four Pentium II's? What chipset does the system use? The only chipset Intel has released so far (AFAIK) that supports 4 processors is the 450GX chipset. In any case, it seems a bit silly to have a large four processor server that can't cache more than 512MB of RAM. The only way it could cache more is if it's a NUMA machine, and has a different pool of RAM for each processor. Care to elaborate on this machine? Model number, specs? Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 23:01:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09800 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:01:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from asteroid.svib.ru (root@asteroid.svib.ru [195.151.166.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA09784 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:01:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (shuttle.svib.ru [195.151.166.144]) by asteroid.svib.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25022 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:01:19 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (minas-tirith.pol.ru [127.0.0.1]) by minas-tirith.pol.ru (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA09702 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:02:07 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from tarkhil@minas-tirith.pol.ru) Message-Id: <199804020702.LAA09702@minas-tirith.pol.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Subject: Annother patch for Mozilla Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:02:06 +0400 From: Alex Povolotsky Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Patch by Boris Tobotras, allowing correct work with Cyrillic. --- mozilla-orig/ns/lib/libi18n/ugendata.c Tue Mar 31 06:04:14 1998 +++ mozilla/ns/lib/libi18n/ugendata.c Wed Apr 1 19:04:18 1998 @@ -251,6 +251,14 @@ {CS_DEFAULT,0xFF,0x00}, {CS_DEFAULT,0xFF,0x00} }}, + /*+ [BT] +*/ + { CS_KOI8_R, { + {CS_KOI8_R,0x80,0xFE}, + {CS_ASCII,0x00,0x7E}, + {CS_DEFAULT,0xFF,0x00}, + {CS_DEFAULT,0xFF,0x00} + }}, + /*- [BT] -*/ { CS_CNS_8BIT, { {CS_CNS11643_1,0xA1,0xFE}, {CS_CNS11643_2,0x8E,0x8E}, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 23:16:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA11696 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:16:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA11691 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:16:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id CAA16505 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 02:12:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 02:16:06 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla In-Reply-To: <199804020702.LAA09702@minas-tirith.pol.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG this is why i think someone needs to start a CVS tree for the source. The patches are starting to fly. :) So again *prod* *prod* anyone with the resources care to start a mozilla CVS tree? *prod* *prod* Just a thought Chris -- "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 23:34:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15660 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:34:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [206.156.231.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15643 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:34:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@elvis.mu.org) Received: (from paul@localhost) by elvis.mu.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26100; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:34:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from paul) Message-ID: <19980402013445.10793@mu.org> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 01:34:45 -0600 From: Paul Saab To: Open Systems Networking , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla References: <199804020702.LAA09702@minas-tirith.pol.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Open Systems Networking on Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 02:16:06AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I would be willing to do it. I don't know if I have the network connection needed (T1) but if someone doesn't step up with an offer then I will be happy to do it. Paul Open Systems Networking (opsys@mail.webspan.net) wrote: > > this is why i think someone needs to start a CVS tree for the source. > The patches are starting to fly. :) > > So again *prod* *prod* anyone with the resources care to start a mozilla > CVS tree? *prod* *prod* > > Just a thought > > Chris > > -- > "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." > > ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. > FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 > -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 > FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net > http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security > ===================================| http://open-systems.net > > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te > gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC > foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z > d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb > NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv > CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 > b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= > =BBjp > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 23:40:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA16846 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:40:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from asteroid.svib.ru (root@asteroid.svib.ru [195.151.166.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA16835 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:40:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (shuttle.svib.ru [195.151.166.144]) by asteroid.svib.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25198 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:39:49 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (minas-tirith.pol.ru [127.0.0.1]) by minas-tirith.pol.ru (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA11103 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:40:38 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from tarkhil@minas-tirith.pol.ru) Message-Id: <199804020740.LAA11103@minas-tirith.pol.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla In-reply-to: Your message "Thu, 02 Apr 1998 02:16:06 CDT." Reply-To: tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 11:40:37 +0400 From: Alex Povolotsky Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Open Systems Netwo rking writes: > >this is why i think someone needs to start a CVS tree for the source. >The patches are starting to fly. :) > >So again *prod* *prod* anyone with the resources care to start a mozilla >CVS tree? *prod* *prod* I will RTFM on cvsupd today. Maybe I'll set it up... Alex. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Apr 1 23:55:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18095 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:55:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.ftf.dk (root@mail.ftf.dk [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18085 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:55:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk) Received: from mail.prosa.dk ([192.168.100.2]) by firewall.ftf.dk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27982; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:48:42 +0200 Received: from deepo.prosa.dk (deepo.prosa.dk [192.168.100.10]) by mail.prosa.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) with ESMTP id KAA20906; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:09:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by deepo.prosa.dk (8.8.7/8.8.5/prosa-1.1) id JAA29981; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:53:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19980402095347.02829@deepo.prosa.dk> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:53:47 +0200 From: Philippe Regnauld To: Studded Cc: Eivind Eklund , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source / -CURRENT References: <19980331172027.43522@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> <19980401013027.00897@follo.net> <3522AA6E.F0C8C02E@san.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3522AA6E.F0C8C02E@san.rr.com>; from Studded on Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 12:58:22PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386 Organization: PROSA Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Studded writes: > > If you're interested in 2.2.6 results, I was able to compile with your > port (using Motif 2.0) however the dynamic binary gave an error about > not being able to find a library (I don't remember which, but 'locate' > had never heard of it) and when I started the static binary it consumed > more and more cpu but never appeared. > > I realize it's alpha stuff, just providing a data point. Running fine here. M2.0, static AND dynamic. Eivind's patches. Only problem is: [...] Warning: Actions not found: PageUp, PageDown Warning: Actions not found: PageDown, LineUp, LineDown, PageUp, PageUp, PageDown Warning: Actions not found: PageUp, PageDown Warning: Actions not found: PageDown, LineUp, LineDown, PageUp, PageUp, PageDown Warning: Name: List Class: XmList Illegal value (206) for rep type XmRStringDirection Regularly during runtime (Netscape app-defaults + XKeysymDB installed) && no pasting works. -- -[ Philippe Regnauld / sysadmin / regnauld@deepo.prosa.dk / +55.4N +11.3E ]- «Pluto placed his bad dog at the entrance of Hades to keep the dead IN and the living OUT! The archetypical corporate firewall?» - S. Kelly Bootle, ("MYTHOLOGY", in Marutukku distrib) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 00:10:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA20194 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:10:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA20131 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:09:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01323; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:09:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199804020809.AAA01323@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Paul Saab cc: Open Systems Networking , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Apr 1998 01:34:45 CST." <19980402013445.10793@mu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:09:35 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Probably someone who has an account on freefall should do it. Cheers, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 00:15:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA21592 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:15:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [206.156.231.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA21582 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:15:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@elvis.mu.org) Received: (from paul@localhost) by elvis.mu.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA26906; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 02:15:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from paul) Message-ID: <19980402021535.60821@mu.org> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 02:15:35 -0600 From: Paul Saab To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Open Systems Networking , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla References: <19980402013445.10793@mu.org> <199804020809.AAA01323@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199804020809.AAA01323@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 12:09:35AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Amancio Hasty (hasty@rah.star-gate.com) wrote: > Probably someone who has an account on freefall should do it. That is fine with me. If someone still doesn't want to host it I will and if someone who has an account on freefall wants to handle the project I will give them an account. Makes no difference to me.. Someone asked for resources and I offered. Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 00:18:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA22262 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:18:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA22254 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:18:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id DAA23028; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 03:14:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 03:18:16 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Paul Saab cc: Amancio Hasty , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla In-Reply-To: <19980402021535.60821@mu.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Paul Saab wrote: > Makes no difference to me.. Someone asked for resources and I > offered. And a HUGE thank you from me on that paul!! Chris -- "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 00:23:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA23527 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:23:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA23478 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:22:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01465; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:22:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199804020822.AAA01465@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Paul Saab cc: Open Systems Networking , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Apr 1998 02:15:35 CST." <19980402021535.60821@mu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 00:22:46 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Amancio Hasty (hasty@rah.star-gate.com) wrote: > > Probably someone who has an account on freefall should do it. > > That is fine with me. If someone still doesn't want to host it I > will and if someone who has an account on freefall wants to handle > the project I will give them an account. > > Makes no difference to me.. Someone asked for resources and I > offered. > > Paul Tnks Paul. Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 00:23:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA23618 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:23:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.kacst.edu.sa (ns1.kacst.edu.sa [198.77.88.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA23576 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 00:23:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from g970183@dpc.kfupm.edu.sa) Received: from ns1.kfupm.edu.sa ([198.77.102.26]) by relay.kacst.edu.sa (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03097 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:15:26 -0300 (GMT) Received: from dpc107.dpc.kfupm.edu.sa ([196.15.32.8]) by ns1.kfupm.edu.sa (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA44014 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:12:47 +0300 Received: (from g970183@localhost) by dpc107.dpc.kfupm.edu.sa (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA42551; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:16:13 +0300 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:16:13 +0300 (SAUST) From: UDDIN MOHAMMAD NAZEER To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: device driver of NE2000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Can anybody tell me in which directory this NE2000 device driver is. I was searching for symbolic name ed0 etc. I possible please mention device file name, symbolic name. I want to open this and read the ethernet packets received. regards, Nazeer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 04:03:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA28309 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 04:03:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gvr.gvr.org (root@gvr.gvr.org [194.151.74.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28303 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 04:03:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from guido@gvr.org) Received: (from guido@localhost) by gvr.gvr.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id OAA07742 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:03:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: Guido van Rooij Message-Id: <199804021203.OAA07742@gvr.gvr.org> Subject: cd-(re)rewritable To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:03:52 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG iHi, I want to buy a cd-(re)writable. Unfortunately, the Philips ones (cdd 2000, cdd 2100, cdd 2600). are no longer in stock as well as the Hp ones (4020i, 6020i). The Philips rewritable, the CDD 3600 is not yet being delievered. Are there any others that are currently being sold that are supported? (Yamaha, Ricoh is often seen). -Guido To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 04:23:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA01808 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 04:23:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA01803 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 04:23:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA21727; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:22:08 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id OAA19709; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:22:48 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980402142133.22852@follo.net> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:21:33 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Guido van Rooij , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd-(re)rewritable References: <199804021203.OAA07742@gvr.gvr.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199804021203.OAA07742@gvr.gvr.org>; from Guido van Rooij on Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 02:03:52PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 02:03:52PM +0200, Guido van Rooij wrote: > iHi, > > I want to buy a cd-(re)writable. Unfortunately, the Philips ones > (cdd 2000, cdd 2100, cdd 2600). are no longer in stock as well as the > Hp ones (4020i, 6020i). The Philips rewritable, the CDD 3600 is > not yet being delievered. > Are there any others that are currently being sold that are > supported? (Yamaha, Ricoh is often seen). I have patches from Simon Shapiro to support the Yamaha CDR-100. I hope to find time to let them hit the tree tonight. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 04:25:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA02178 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 04:25:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA02170 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 04:25:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA21757; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:24:37 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id OAA19723; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:25:17 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980402142402.48617@follo.net> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:24:02 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: UDDIN MOHAMMAD NAZEER , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: device driver of NE2000 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from UDDIN MOHAMMAD NAZEER on Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 11:16:13AM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 11:16:13AM +0300, UDDIN MOHAMMAD NAZEER wrote: > > Hello, > Can anybody tell me in which directory this NE2000 device driver is. > I was searching for symbolic name ed0 etc. I possible please mention > device file name, symbolic name. I want to open this and read the > ethernet packets received. Look at how bpf, not ed0. You can see an example of how to use it in tcpdump. The ed driver is in src/sys/i386/isa/if_ed.c so you know if you should need it later. Network interface source code usually (always? that's a subset of usually :-) start with "if_". Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 04:55:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05848 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 04:55:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05825 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 04:55:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA01395; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:54:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:54:23 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: Tim Vanderhoek cc: Brian Cully , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Objective C rules for /usr/share/mk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Chuck Robey wrote: > > > Sounds fine, I'll see them then. I was somewhat concerned if they were > > biased towards one implementation (GNU's Objective C versus objc, for > > example). > > Well, there is a certain system bias already in that we do ship > gcc... Similar to the way we ship a particular f77 compiler... If it was an installed part of gcc, I'd agree with standard rules to invoke it, but the Objective-C part has to be installed separately, doesn't it? If so, there should not be any pre-installed bias towards it (or against any other one, like objc, which is also free). > > > -- > tIM...HOEk > OPTIMIZATION: the process of using many one-letter variables names > hoping that the resultant code will run faster. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 04:59:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA06406 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 04:59:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA06360 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 04:59:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA01405; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:58:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:58:42 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: Open Systems Networking cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Open Systems Networking wrote: > > this is why i think someone needs to start a CVS tree for the source. > The patches are starting to fly. :) > > So again *prod* *prod* anyone with the resources care to start a mozilla > CVS tree? *prod* *prod* It seems to me that, in offering to be a clearing house for patches itself, and announcing they are starting a cvs tree too, the netscape folks have a clear right to be kinda insulted at this. Why not use their services? If they later prove to be insufficient, then maybe this might be justified, but not without some reason. > > Just a thought > > Chris > > -- > "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." > > ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. > FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 > -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 > FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net > http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security > ===================================| http://open-systems.net > > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te > gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC > foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z > d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb > NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv > CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 > b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= > =BBjp > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 06:49:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19566 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:49:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA19561 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:49:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sbabkin@dcn.att.com) From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: by cagw1.att.com; Thu Apr 2 09:16 EST 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id JAA03318 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:23:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <2BJ2JBSS>; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:22:56 -0500 Message-ID: To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, guido@gvr.org Subject: RE: cd-(re)rewritable Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:22:53 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > ---------- > I want to buy a cd-(re)writable. Unfortunately, the Philips ones > (cdd 2000, cdd 2100, cdd 2600). are no longer in stock as well as the > > Hp ones (4020i, 6020i). The Philips rewritable, the CDD 3600 is > not yet being delievered. > Philips IDE devices are sold as HP 7300 or something like. But they are not supported :-( > Are there any others that are currently being sold that are > supported? (Yamaha, Ricoh is often seen). > Teac makes cd-writers that have 4X write speed. But I don't know about their compatibility. When I tried to ask Teac about it, they wanted me to sign NDA. And I'm still trying to get from them, whether can I freely release the patches for driver if I sign NDA to make them. Serge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 07:17:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA24469 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:17:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24413 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:17:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12593; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:17:09 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199804021517.RAA12593@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: cd-(re)rewritable In-Reply-To: from "sbabkin@dcn.att.com" at "Apr 2, 98 09:22:53 am" To: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:17:08 +0200 (MEST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, guido@gvr.org From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply to sbabkin@dcn.att.com who wrote: > > ---------- > > I want to buy a cd-(re)writable. Unfortunately, the Philips ones > > (cdd 2000, cdd 2100, cdd 2600). are no longer in stock as well as the > > > > Hp ones (4020i, 6020i). The Philips rewritable, the CDD 3600 is > > not yet being delievered. > > > Philips IDE devices are sold as HP 7300 or something like. But > they are not supported :-( Thats hp 7200i drives. I'm writing an IDE CD-RW driver just now, so support will be there, just a matter of how much spare time I can devote to it. > > Are there any others that are currently being sold that are > > supported? (Yamaha, Ricoh is often seen). > > > Teac makes cd-writers that have 4X write speed. But I don't know > about their compatibility. When I tried to ask Teac about it, > they wanted me to sign NDA. And I'm still trying to get from them, > whether can I freely release the patches for driver if I sign NDA > to make them. Hmm, most modern drives supports the MMC commands for burning etc, but unfortunally our scsi "worm" driver does use those, instead it has intimate knowledge of drive specific commands. The IDE drives supports MMC too, so the driver I'm doing should show the way for SCSI too (I hope)... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 08:32:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09668 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:32:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (root@fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09654 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:32:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from perlsta@cs.sunyit.edu) Received: from win95.local.sunyit.edu (A-T34.rh.sunyit.edu [150.156.210.241]) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09010; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:32:50 GMT Message-ID: <001501bd5e54$50e83160$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> From: "Alfred Perlstein" To: "Eivind Eklund" , "Guido van Rooij" , Subject: Re: cd-(re)rewritable Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:28:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i'm really interested in the Ricoh 2meg SCSI cd-rw, being scsi i assume this is supported, no? -Alfred -----Original Message----- From: Eivind Eklund To: Guido van Rooij ; freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thursday, April 02, 1998 2:29 AM Subject: Re: cd-(re)rewritable >On Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 02:03:52PM +0200, Guido van Rooij wrote: >> iHi, >> >> I want to buy a cd-(re)writable. Unfortunately, the Philips ones >> (cdd 2000, cdd 2100, cdd 2600). are no longer in stock as well as the >> Hp ones (4020i, 6020i). The Philips rewritable, the CDD 3600 is >> not yet being delievered. >> Are there any others that are currently being sold that are >> supported? (Yamaha, Ricoh is often seen). > >I have patches from Simon Shapiro to support the Yamaha CDR-100. I >hope to find time to let them hit the tree tonight. > >Eivind. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 08:39:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11061 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:39:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.bewellnet.com (mail.bewellnet.com [209.54.96.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA11034 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:39:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd@moscow.dyn.ml.org) Received: from moscow.dyn.ml.org [209.54.97.94] by mail.bewellnet.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.03) id A03717601F2; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:43:35 MST Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.bewellnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00220; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:18:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bsd) Message-ID: <19980401201803.20159@dyn.ml.org> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:18:03 -0700 From: nice_guy To: "Kenneth P. Stox" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mozilla and LessTif References: <199804011801.WAA14732@minas-tirith.pol.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Kenneth P. Stox on Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 05:51:29PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 05:51:29PM -0600, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > Yep. ive succesuflly build mozilla against lesstif 0.83 on 2.2.6-R box. The only problems ive seen this far seem to be lesstif related. -alex > Well, I've gotten far enough to bring up the first screen, then it locks > up. :-( I'm using 3.0-current, lesstif 0.83, and Eilvind's port. > > On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Alex Povolotsky wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > Has anyone managed to get mozilla running with LessTif? On my 2.2.5-RELEASE, > > it compiles, but statically linked monster (over 67 Mb) doesn't run at all, > > and dynamically linked complains loudly about lots of things and crashes... > > > > Alex. > > -- > > Alexander B. Povolotsky > > [2:5020/145] [http://freebsd.svib.ru] [tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru] > > [Urgent messages: 234-9696 ÁÂ.#35442 or tarkhil@pager.express.ru] > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 09:02:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15318 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:02:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15275; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:02:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca36-50.ix.netcom.com [207.93.42.242]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29797; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id JAA23702; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:01:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:01:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804021701.JAA23702@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: chuckr@glue.umd.edu CC: opsys@mail.webspan.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: ports@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Chuck Robey on Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:58:42 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, I don't know if anyone'll get offended or not but it seems to me that the best thing for us is to just make it a port for now. That way I can regularly compile it and put the package up on ftp.freebsd.org for everyone (even those without 64MB of memory or 128MB of swap) to test. We can also hash out the patches before sending them back to the mozilla.org people. Maintainer please? Andreas, are you listening? :> Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 09:21:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18274 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:21:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.bewellnet.com (mail.bewellnet.com [209.54.96.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18260 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:21:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd@moscow.dyn.ml.org) Received: from moscow.dyn.ml.org [209.54.97.94] by mail.bewellnet.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.03) id A03317601F2; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:43:31 MST Received: (from root@localhost) by altavista.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22916; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:18:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bsd) Message-ID: <19980401121841.65371@bewell.net> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:18:41 -0700 From: nice_guy To: tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mozilla and LessTif References: <199804011801.WAA14732@minas-tirith.pol.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199804011801.WAA14732@minas-tirith.pol.ru>; from Alex Povolotsky on Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 10:01:42PM +0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 10:01:42PM +0400, Alex Povolotsky wrote: > Hello! > > Has anyone managed to get mozilla running with LessTif? On my 2.2.5-RELEASE, > it compiles, but statically linked monster (over 67 Mb) doesn't run at all, > and dynamically linked complains loudly about lots of things and crashes... > BTW, did you read unixdoc.txt? > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 09:22:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18370 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:22:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.bewellnet.com (mail.bewellnet.com [209.54.96.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18364 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:22:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd@moscow.dyn.ml.org) Received: from moscow.dyn.ml.org [209.54.97.94] by mail.bewellnet.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.03) id A03517601F2; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:43:33 MST Received: (from root@localhost) by bsd.altavista.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23333; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:17:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bsd) Message-ID: <19980401141748.59005@bewell.net> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:17:48 -0700 From: nice_guy To: Studded Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mozilla source / -CURRENT References: <19980331172027.43522@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> <19980401013027.00897@follo.net> <3522AA6E.F0C8C02E@san.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <3522AA6E.F0C8C02E@san.rr.com>; from Studded on Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 12:58:22PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 12:58:22PM -0800, Studded wrote: > Eivind Eklund wrote: > > > Dunno. I've just put my port online at > > http://www.freebsd.org/~eivind/moz_port.tgz > > > > It should work, but no guarantees - it isn't tested almost at all. > > (I've bascially just collected all the patches I needed for the first > > compile run, and am doing the second compile run right now - so it > > might not even compile). > > If you're interested in 2.2.6 results, I was able to compile with your > port (using Motif 2.0) however the dynamic binary gave an error about > not being able to find a library (I don't remember which, but 'locate' > had never heard of it) and when I started the static binary it consumed > more and more cpu but never appeared. > > I realize it's alpha stuff, just providing a data point. I have been able to compile/run Mozilla on 2.2.6 linked against lesstif dynamic & static. -alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 09:24:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18554 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:24:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.bewellnet.com (mail.bewellnet.com [209.54.96.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18548 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:24:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd@moscow.dyn.ml.org) Received: from moscow.dyn.ml.org [209.54.97.94] by mail.bewellnet.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.03) id A03A17601F2; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 09:43:38 MST Received: (from root@localhost) by altavista.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22902; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:16:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bsd) Message-ID: <19980401121648.35003@bewell.net> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:16:48 -0700 From: nice_guy To: tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mozilla and LessTif References: <199804011801.WAA14732@minas-tirith.pol.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199804011801.WAA14732@minas-tirith.pol.ru>; from Alex Povolotsky on Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 10:01:42PM +0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 01, 1998 at 10:01:42PM +0400, Alex Povolotsky wrote: > Hello! > > Has anyone managed to get mozilla running with LessTif? On my 2.2.5-RELEASE, > it compiles, but statically linked monster (over 67 Mb) doesn't run at all, > and dynamically linked complains loudly about lots of things and crashes... > > Alex. Yes, I have been able to run both static/dynamic version with lesstif0.83 bsd# ls -la moz* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root games 1138688 Apr 1 11:16 moz-export <--dynamic version -rwxr-xr-x 1 root games 5619712 Apr 1 10:41 mozilla-export bsd# ldd moz-export moz-export: -lxfe2.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libxfe2.so.1.0 (0x2011b000) -lXmL.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libXmL.so.1.0 (0x201e4000) -lxfeicons.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libxfeicons.so.1.0 (0x2020b000) -lDtWidgets.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libDtWidgets.so.1.0 (0x20283000) -lXfeWidgets.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libXfeWidgets.so.1.0 (0x2028a000) -lxlate.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libxlate.so.1.0 (0x202be000) -lnet.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libnet.so.1.0 (0x202d1000) -lrdf.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/librdf.so.1.0 (0x20320000) -llay.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/liblay.so.1.0 (0x20340000) -lpng.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libpng.so.1.0 (0x203fe000) -lmariner.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libmariner.so.1.0 (0x20411000) -limg.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libimg.so.1.0 (0x20413000) -ljpeg.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libjpeg.so.1.0 (0x20425000) -lhook.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libhook.so.1.0 (0x20438000) -lparse.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libparse.so.1.0 (0x2043b000) -lpref.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libpref.so.1.0 (0x20443000) -li18n.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libi18n.so.1.0 (0x20452000) -lpics.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libpics.so.1.0 (0x204cd000) -lpwcac.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libpwcac.so.1.0 (0x204d7000) -lreg.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libreg.so.1.0 (0x204da000) -lmisc.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libmisc.so.1.0 (0x204df000) -lplug.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libplug.so.1.0 (0x204f6000) -lutil.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libutil.so.1.0 (0x20500000) -lfont.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libfont.so.1.0 (0x20502000) -lprgrss.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libprgrss.so.1.0 (0x20512000) -llayer.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/liblayer.so.1.0 (0x20514000) -lstubsj.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libstubsj.so.1.0 (0x2051c000) -lstubnj.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libstubnj.so.1.0 (0x2051e000) -lzlib.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libzlib.so.1.0 (0x20521000) -ljs.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libjs.so.1.0 (0x2052c000) -ljsj.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libjsj.so.1.0 (0x20569000) -lmocha.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libmocha.so.1.0 (0x2056b000) -lstyle.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libstyle.so.1.0 (0x2059b000) -lhtmldlgs.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libhtmldlgs.so.1.0 (0x205c0000) -lsecfree.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libsecfree.so.1.0 (0x205c5000) -lxp.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libxp.so.1.0 (0x205c8000) -ldbm.1 => /netscape/ns/dist/FreeBSD2.2.6_OPT.OBJ/bin/libdbm.so.1.0 (0x2061f000) /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.a (0x20626000) -lXt.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6.0 (0x20719000) -lXmu.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6.0 (0x20755000) -lX11.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.1 (0x20764000) -lXext.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.3 (0x207f5000) -lSM.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6.0 (0x207fe000) -lICE.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6.3 (0x20806000) -lc.3 => /usr/lib/libc.so.3.1 (0x20817000) -lg++.4 => /usr/lib/libg++.so.4.0 (0x20885000) -lstdc++.2 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.2.0 (0x208c1000) -lm.2 => /usr/lib/libm.so.2.0 (0x208f7000) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 09:57:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25860 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:57:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.virginia.edu (mail.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA25855 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 09:56:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from atf3r@cs.virginia.edu) Received: from ares.cs.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa17572; 2 Apr 98 12:56 EST Received: from mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU (mamba-fo.cs.Virginia.EDU [128.143.136.18]) by ares.cs.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10694; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:56:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (atf3r@localhost) by mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA10474; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:56:33 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU: atf3r owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:56:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Adrian T. Filipi-Martin" Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin To: Amancio Hasty cc: Paul Saab , Open Systems Networking , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla In-Reply-To: <199804020809.AAA01323@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Probably someone who has an account on freefall should do it. > > Cheers, > Amancio Would it be worth contacting the Mozilla folks and getting them to create a FreeBSD branch on their site? They seem to be using CVS already, so it might help keep us in synch with the rest ofthe mozilla hacking commnity. Perhaps then can even be shown the blessings of CVSup? I'm sure they will have some patches that are relavent to FreeBSD, just as we will have patches for the world. (Free software make one feel like a humanitarian at times. ;-) Adrian -- adrian@virginia.edu ---->>>>| If I were stranded on a desert island, and System Administrator --->>>| I could only have one OS for my computer, Neurosurgical Visualization Lab ->>| it would be FreeBSD. Think about it..... http://www.nvl.virginia.edu/ ->| http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 10:04:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA26978 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:04:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26969 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:04:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13795; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:03:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199804021803.KAA13795@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Adrian Filipi-Martin cc: Paul Saab , Open Systems Networking , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:56:33 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 10:03:47 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thats fine too. It is just that I was thinking that it would be nice to first do a round of patches on FreeBSD and then send them or incorporate into their tree our patches however I can easily see that this can be a little difficult to maintain so it is up to you guys to decide. Cheers, Amancio > On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > Probably someone who has an account on freefall should do it. > > > > Cheers, > > Amancio > > Would it be worth contacting the Mozilla folks and getting them to > create a FreeBSD branch on their site? They seem to be using CVS already, > so it might help keep us in synch with the rest ofthe mozilla hacking > commnity. Perhaps then can even be shown the blessings of CVSup? > > I'm sure they will have some patches that are relavent to FreeBSD, > just as we will have patches for the world. (Free software make one feel > like a humanitarian at times. ;-) > > Adrian > -- > adrian@virginia.edu ---->>>>| If I were stranded on a desert island, and > System Administrator --->>>| I could only have one OS for my computer, > Neurosurgical Visualization Lab ->>| it would be FreeBSD. Think about it..... > http://www.nvl.virginia.edu/ ->| http://www.freebsd.org/ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 10:07:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27500 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:07:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tbuswell.ne.mediaone.net (tbuswell.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.60.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27470 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:07:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tbuswell@tbuswell.ne.mediaone.net) Received: (from tbuswell@localhost) by tbuswell.ne.mediaone.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00297; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:07:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tbuswell) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:07:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804021807.NAA00297@tbuswell.ne.mediaone.net> From: Ted Buswell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Alfred Perlstein" Cc: Subject: Re: cd-(re)rewritable In-Reply-To: <001501bd5e54$50e83160$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> References: <001501bd5e54$50e83160$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: tbuswell@mediaone.net (Ted Buswell) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Alfred" == Alfred Perlstein writes: Alfred> i'm really interested in the Ricoh 2meg SCSI cd-rw, being Alfred> scsi i assume this is supported, no? I don't know about a drive with a 2MB buffer, but the Ricoh MP6200 (which has a 1MB buffer) is supported by cdrecord (in ports). This device supports the SCSI-3 MMC commands. -Ted To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 10:19:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00770 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:19:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA00746; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:19:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA18853 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:19:04 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA01227; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:33:32 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199804021733.TAA01227@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla In-Reply-To: <199804021701.JAA23702@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> from Satoshi Asami at "Apr 2, 98 09:01:35 am" To: ports@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:33:32 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: chuckr@glue.umd.edu, opsys@mail.webspan.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Satoshi Asami wrote... > Well, I don't know if anyone'll get offended or not but it seems to me > that the best thing for us is to just make it a port for now. That > way I can regularly compile it and put the package up on > ftp.freebsd.org for everyone (even those without 64MB of memory or > 128MB of swap) to test. We can also hash out the patches before > sending them back to the mozilla.org people. And at the same time start a freebsd-mozilla list? I'm pretty sure the sheer mail volume of Mozilla-addicts can saturate -hackers. W/ _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl -------------------------------------------------- Powered by FreeBSD ------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 10:54:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08909 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:54:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08803 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:53:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04139; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:51:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804021851.KAA04139@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Guido van Rooij cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd-(re)rewritable In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Apr 1998 14:03:52 +0200." <199804021203.OAA07742@gvr.gvr.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 10:51:27 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > iHi, > > I want to buy a cd-(re)writable. Unfortunately, the Philips ones > (cdd 2000, cdd 2100, cdd 2600). are no longer in stock as well as the > Hp ones (4020i, 6020i). The Philips rewritable, the CDD 3600 is > not yet being delievered. > Are there any others that are currently being sold that are > supported? (Yamaha, Ricoh is often seen). We (Walnut Creek CDROM) just replaced a failing HP unit with a new (SCSI) Ricoh unit. It works faultlessly with cdrecord (out of the ports collection). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 10:58:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10121 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:58:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10027 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:57:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04156; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:54:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804021854.KAA04156@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Eivind Eklund cc: Guido van Rooij , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd-(re)rewritable In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Apr 1998 14:21:33 +0200." <19980402142133.22852@follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 10:54:53 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 02:03:52PM +0200, Guido van Rooij wrote: > > iHi, > > > > I want to buy a cd-(re)writable. Unfortunately, the Philips ones > > (cdd 2000, cdd 2100, cdd 2600). are no longer in stock as well as the > > Hp ones (4020i, 6020i). The Philips rewritable, the CDD 3600 is > > not yet being delievered. > > Are there any others that are currently being sold that are > > supported? (Yamaha, Ricoh is often seen). > > I have patches from Simon Shapiro to support the Yamaha CDR-100. I > hope to find time to let them hit the tree tonight. Just use cdrecord. No offence to the worm-driver maintainers, but due to its heavy cross-platform use, cdrecord gets a lot more attention. (Yes, I have one of the CDR-100's here - it works fine.) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 11:17:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14773 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:17:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14280; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:15:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02002; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:14:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:14:35 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost Reply-To: Chuck Robey To: ports@FreeBSD.ORG cc: opsys@mail.webspan.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla In-Reply-To: <199804021701.JAA23702@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Satoshi Asami wrote: > Well, I don't know if anyone'll get offended or not but it seems to me > that the best thing for us is to just make it a port for now. That > way I can regularly compile it and put the package up on > ftp.freebsd.org for everyone (even those without 64MB of memory or > 128MB of swap) to test. We can also hash out the patches before > sending them back to the mozilla.org people. > > Maintainer please? Andreas, are you listening? :> That sounds good (better than I saw before, actually) excepting to add this this should be in addition to the existing port, seeing as this source version of netscape is missing a lot of normal netscape features like java, security, etc. Another BTW, I just saw this on the cryptography list, about netscape: --------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 02 Apr 1998 10:28:01 -0500 From: "Perry E. Metzger" To: cryptography@c2.net Subject: mozilla w/ssl... already! It appears the SSLeay crew has already fitted the public Mozilla (a.k.a. Netscape Communicator 5.0) sources with SSL. See: http://mozilla-crypto.ssleay.org/ for details Perry ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 11:28:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17946 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:28:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from onizuka.tb.9715.org (c/tu7oMyBDWRJv//eN4la7xz7e9tIA8/@onizuka.tb.9715.org [194.97.84.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17861 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:28:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from torstenb@onizuka.tb.9715.org) Received: by onizuka.tb.9715.org via sendmail with stdio id for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:28:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:28:22 +0200 (CEST) From: torstenb@onizuka.tb.9715.org (Torsten Blum) To: tbuswell@mediaone.net Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd-(re)rewritable References: <001501bd5e54$50e83160$0600a8c0@win95.local.sunyit.edu> <199804021807.NAA00297@tbuswell.ne.mediaone.net> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I don't know about a drive with a 2MB buffer, but the Ricoh MP6200 >(which has a 1MB buffer) is supported by cdrecord (in ports). >This device supports the SCSI-3 MMC commands. Plextor's Plexwriter 4/12 has 2MB Buffer, supports MMC and works with cdrecord. -tb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 12:01:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26613 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:01:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [206.156.231.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26600 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:01:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@elvis.mu.org) Received: (from paul@localhost) by elvis.mu.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07869; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:59:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from paul) Message-ID: <19980402135939.55406@mu.org> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:59:39 -0600 From: Paul Saab To: Amancio Hasty , Adrian Filipi-Martin Cc: Open Systems Networking , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla References: <199804021803.KAA13795@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199804021803.KAA13795@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 10:03:47AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, So do we want to setup a CVS tree? If so please let me know and I will finish setting it all up. Also, who wants to lead this? Amancio thinks someone with an account on freefall should do this... Paul Amancio Hasty (hasty@rah.star-gate.com) wrote: > Thats fine too. It is just that I was thinking that it would be nice to > first do a round of patches on FreeBSD and then send them or incorporate > into their tree our patches however I can easily see that this can > be a little difficult to maintain so it is up to you guys to decide. > > Cheers, > Amancio > > > > > On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > Probably someone who has an account on freefall should do it. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Amancio > > > > Would it be worth contacting the Mozilla folks and getting them to > > create a FreeBSD branch on their site? They seem to be using CVS already, > > so it might help keep us in synch with the rest ofthe mozilla hacking > > commnity. Perhaps then can even be shown the blessings of CVSup? > > > > I'm sure they will have some patches that are relavent to FreeBSD, > > just as we will have patches for the world. (Free software make one feel > > like a humanitarian at times. ;-) > > > > Adrian > > -- > > adrian@virginia.edu ---->>>>| If I were stranded on a desert island, and > > System Administrator --->>>| I could only have one OS for my computer, > > Neurosurgical Visualization Lab ->>| it would be FreeBSD. Think about it..... > > http://www.nvl.virginia.edu/ ->| http://www.freebsd.org/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 13:47:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10772 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:47:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10567 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:47:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id QAA27969; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:43:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:46:54 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Adrian Filipi-Martin cc: Amancio Hasty , Paul Saab , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Adrian T. Filipi-Martin wrote: > create a FreeBSD branch on their site? They seem to be using CVS already, > so it might help keep us in synch with the rest ofthe mozilla hacking > commnity. Perhaps then can even be shown the blessings of CVSup? > > I'm sure they will have some patches that are relavent to FreeBSD, > just as we will have patches for the world. (Free software make one feel > like a humanitarian at times. ;-) That was my idea to have a FreeBSD CVS mozilla tree and then feed the patches back to the mozilla people. For the simple reason that A) there is no public CVS tree yet at mozilla.org is there? B) It would be alot nicer to have a FreeBSD cvs tree for the mozilla code. And then submit patches back to them. I dont feel were betraying mozilla as chuck says if we start a FreeBSD CVS tree as long as we feed the patches back to them. I think it would tend to accelerate a well maintained FreeBSD port if we kept a CVS tree then fed patches back. I'm not aware of the full story behind the scenes of what halp the FreeBSD project gave the mozilla people. So I might be missing some facts. But I personally dont see the harm in us maintaining a FreeBSD CVS tree and submitting the patches back to mozilla.org. Naturally everyone is going to have an opinion on wether this is a respectable move in the eyes of the mozilla people. Well im tired and confused :) so im off to la la land. Much discussion will in no doubt follow. Chris -- "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 13:52:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12195 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:52:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12139 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:51:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id QAA28760; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:46:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:49:56 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Mike Smith cc: Eivind Eklund , Guido van Rooij , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd-(re)rewritable In-Reply-To: <199804021854.KAA04156@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > I have patches from Simon Shapiro to support the Yamaha CDR-100. I > > hope to find time to let them hit the tree tonight. > > Just use cdrecord. No offence to the worm-driver maintainers, but due > to its heavy cross-platform use, cdrecord gets a lot more attention. > (Yes, I have one of the CDR-100's here - it works fine.) There's even a REALLY nice GUI front end called CD-Roast for it to! But I tried to get it to compile and the thing just vomits compulsively. So if anyone gets bored :) Chris -- "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 14:20:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17815 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:20:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17805 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:20:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04696; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:15:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804022215.OAA04696@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Open Systems Networking cc: Mike Smith , Eivind Eklund , Guido van Rooij , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd-(re)rewritable In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Apr 1998 16:49:56 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 14:15:19 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > I have patches from Simon Shapiro to support the Yamaha CDR-100. I > > > hope to find time to let them hit the tree tonight. > > > > Just use cdrecord. No offence to the worm-driver maintainers, but due > > to its heavy cross-platform use, cdrecord gets a lot more attention. > > (Yes, I have one of the CDR-100's here - it works fine.) > > There's even a REALLY nice GUI front end called CD-Roast for it to! But I > tried to get it to compile and the thing just vomits compulsively. > So if anyone gets bored :) I'm allowed to be rude about Linux users. Xcdroast has (so far) revealed itself to be a featuresome pile of dung. I may have better luck with it next time. 8) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 14:31:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19588 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:31:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19578 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 14:31:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id RAA08577; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:26:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:30:35 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Mike Smith cc: Eivind Eklund , Guido van Rooij , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd-(re)rewritable In-Reply-To: <199804022215.OAA04696@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > I'm allowed to be rude about Linux users. Xcdroast has (so far) > revealed itself to be a featuresome pile of dung. I may have better > luck with it next time. 8) haha! That's what I WANTED to say about my attempts at getting it to compile but I didnt want to get nuked. But yeah it's quite the linux quality standard coding effort-- :) Chris -- "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 15:01:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25165 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:01:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.virginia.edu (mail.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA25141 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:01:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from atf3r@cs.virginia.edu) Received: from ares.cs.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id ab07851; 2 Apr 98 18:01 EST Received: from mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU (mamba-fo.cs.Virginia.EDU [128.143.136.18]) by ares.cs.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19578; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (atf3r@localhost) by mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA19813; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:01:31 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU: atf3r owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:01:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Adrian T. Filipi-Martin" Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin To: Open Systems Networking cc: Amancio Hasty , Paul Saab , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Open Systems Networking wrote: > On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Adrian T. Filipi-Martin wrote: > > > create a FreeBSD branch on their site? They seem to be using CVS already, > > so it might help keep us in synch with the rest ofthe mozilla hacking > > commnity. Perhaps then can even be shown the blessings of CVSup? > > > > I'm sure they will have some patches that are relavent to FreeBSD, > > just as we will have patches for the world. (Free software make one feel > > like a humanitarian at times. ;-) > > That was my idea to have a FreeBSD CVS mozilla tree and then feed the > patches back to the mozilla people. For the simple reason that A) there is > no public CVS tree yet at mozilla.org is there? B) It would be alot nicer > to have a FreeBSD cvs tree for the mozilla code. And then submit patches > back to them. I dont feel were betraying mozilla as chuck says if we start > a FreeBSD CVS tree as long as we feed the patches back to them. I think it > would tend to accelerate a well maintained FreeBSD port if we kept a CVS > tree then fed patches back. I'm not aware of the full story behind the > scenes of what halp the FreeBSD project gave the mozilla people. So I > might be missing some facts. But I personally dont see the harm in us > maintaining a FreeBSD CVS tree and submitting the patches back to > mozilla.org. Naturally everyone is going to have an opinion on wether this > is a respectable move in the eyes of the mozilla people. Well im tired and > confused :) so im off to la la land. Much discussion will in no doubt > follow. I agree there is little risk of harm. If the FreeBSD camp leads the charge to a well managed and clearly evolving version of Mozilla, it can only be a good thing. My point was that _if_ mozilla.org already had some CVS stuff in place, that it would be more efficient to work within that framework, perhaps on a CVS branch. I see merging FreeBSD oriented diffs back into the base tree as an hopefully avoidable task. We have had success with independantly maintaing FreeBSD-ish versions of major packages, c.f. gcc/g++, but it this comes at the risk of our always having a "specalized" version thatr is never in sync with the world. Either way I am still happy as hell that Netscape made the sources available. Since I only have time for bug fixes and nminor patches, I'll leave real decision making to the pros like Eivind et. al. who put their money where their mouth is on more regular basis than I do. cheers, Adrian -- adrian@virginia.edu ---->>>>| If I were stranded on a desert island, and System Administrator --->>>| I could only have one OS for my computer, Neurosurgical Visualization Lab ->>| it would be FreeBSD. Think about it..... http://www.nvl.virginia.edu/ ->| http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 15:07:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25785 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:07:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hwcn.org (ac199@james.hwcn.org [199.212.94.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25736 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:07:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hoek@hwcn.org) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by hwcn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA12091; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:02:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:02:13 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Vanderhoek Reply-To: Tim Vanderhoek To: Chuck Robey cc: Brian Cully , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Objective C rules for /usr/share/mk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Chuck Robey wrote: > If it was an installed part of gcc, I'd agree with standard rules to > invoke it, but the Objective-C part has to be installed separately, I thought it was an installed part of gcc, actually (compiling a simple .m file works, at least :). Regardless, a well-written patch should make using other compilers as simple as defining a few vars. -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 15:17:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27679 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:17:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27659 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:17:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA25404; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:16:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA20439; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:16:35 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:16:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199804022316.QAA20439@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Open Systems Networking Cc: Adrian Filipi-Martin , Amancio Hasty , Paul Saab , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CVS tree (was Re: Annother patch for Mozilla) In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Open Systems Networking writes: > That was my idea to have a FreeBSD CVS mozilla tree and then feed the > patches back to the mozilla people. For the simple reason that A) there is > no public CVS tree yet at mozilla.org is there? B) It would be alot nicer > to have a FreeBSD cvs tree for the mozilla code. And then submit patches > back to them. I dont feel were betraying mozilla as chuck says if we start > a FreeBSD CVS tree as long as we feed the patches back to them. I agree totally. I think having a FreeBSD cvs tree is a *great* idea, and would save the Netscape folks time to have a 'organized' place to get tested patches from (vs. having to wade through the masses of patches coming in.) The JDK folks are doing this now, and IMHO it gives us much more 'value' to SUN dealing with a single 'group' rather than dealing with potentially conflicting bug reports/fixes and the like. With the FreeBSD 'mozilla' team blessing and testing patches, it's much easier to simply integrate them in. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 15:21:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28154 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:21:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.72.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28146 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:21:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyman@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu) Received: (from dannyman@localhost) by arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id RAA23670; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:21:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980402172107.12096@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:21:07 -0600 From: dannyman To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: tcsh with su -m > vs # Mail-Followup-To: hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i remember, once upon a time, someone who shared an rc that made a distinction in it's prompt between # and > depending whether he was superuser or not ... anyone seem to make sense of this? thanks, dannyman -- // dannyman yori aiokomete || Our Honored Symbol deserves \\/ http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ || an Honorable Retirement (UIUC) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 15:35:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00319 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:35:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00312 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:35:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ulf@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA29318; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.Alameda.net(207.90.181.2) via SMTP by DNS.Lamb.net, id smtpd029305; Thu Apr 2 15:34:51 1998 Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.8.6/8.7.6) id PAA09956; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:34:49 -0800 (PST) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199804022334.PAA09956@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> Subject: Re: tcsh with su -m > vs # In-Reply-To: <19980402172107.12096@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> from dannyman at "Apr 2, 98 05:21:07 pm" To: dannyman@sasquatch.dannyland.org (dannyman) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:34:49 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > i remember, once upon a time, someone who shared an rc that made a > distinction in it's prompt between # and > depending whether he was > superuser or not ... anyone seem to make sense of this? with tcsh: set prompt='%#' > > thanks, > dannyman > > -- > // dannyman yori aiokomete || Our Honored Symbol deserves > \\/ http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ || an Honorable Retirement (UIUC) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 15:41:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01892 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:41:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA01865 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:41:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from harmony [10.0.0.6] by rover.village.org with esmtp (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0yKtbs-0006aE-00; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:41:28 -0700 Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA17351; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:42:08 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199804022342.QAA17351@harmony.village.org> To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: CVS tree (was Re: Annother patch for Mozilla) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Apr 1998 16:16:35 MST." <199804022316.QAA20439@mt.sri.com> References: <199804022316.QAA20439@mt.sri.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 16:42:08 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199804022316.QAA20439@mt.sri.com> Nate Williams writes: : I agree totally. I think having a FreeBSD cvs tree is a *great* idea, : and would save the Netscape folks time to have a 'organized' place to : get tested patches from (vs. having to wade through the masses of : patches coming in.) I too agree. This model has proven to be a good one in the past. Who would host this and how could one get ctm/cvsup access to it :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 15:57:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04309 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:57:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au ([203.36.2.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04192 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:56:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id JAA15701; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:56:16 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199804022356.JAA15701@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: CVS tree (was Re: Annother patch for Mozilla) In-Reply-To: <199804022342.QAA17351@harmony.village.org> from Warner Losh at "Apr 2, 98 04:42:08 pm" To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:56:16 +1000 (EST) Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warner Losh wrote: > In message <199804022316.QAA20439@mt.sri.com> Nate Williams writes: > : I agree totally. I think having a FreeBSD cvs tree is a *great* idea, > : and would save the Netscape folks time to have a 'organized' place to > : get tested patches from (vs. having to wade through the masses of > : patches coming in.) > > I too agree. This model has proven to be a good one in the past. Who > would host this and how could one get ctm/cvsup access to it :-) The normal cvs tree on freefall should be OK. Just put it somewhere that isn't included in any of the existing collections. Like /c/ncvs/shared/mozilla -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 15:57:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04513 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:57:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04487 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:57:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id PAA27104; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:56:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma027098; Thu Apr 2 15:56:28 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id PAA14414; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:56:27 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199804022356.PAA14414@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: divert protocol In-Reply-To: <199804012241.RAA04729@titan.cps.msu.edu> from "l. benjamin fleis" at "Apr 1, 98 05:41:55 pm" To: fleislaw@cps.msu.edu (l. benjamin fleis) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:56:27 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG l. benjamin fleis writes: > Is there a good source out there for the DIVERT protocol? I've looked > through the headers and source, but I wonder if there is a text > source for good information on the subject. I've search the handbook, > and altavista with little luck. Any recommendations? It's pretty much "use the source".. Check out the "natd" program which does address translation. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 16:01:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05627 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:01:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu [130.126.72.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05590 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:01:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyman@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu) Received: (from dannyman@localhost) by arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id SAA05940; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:00:56 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980402180056.34480@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:00:56 -0600 From: dannyman To: Ulf Zimmermann Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tcsh with su -m > vs # Mail-Followup-To: Ulf Zimmermann , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980402172107.12096@arh0300.urh.uiuc.edu> <199804022334.PAA09956@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199804022334.PAA09956@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net>; from Ulf Zimmermann on Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 03:34:49PM -0800 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/djhoward/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 03:34:49PM -0800, Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > > i remember, once upon a time, someone who shared an rc that made a > > distinction in it's prompt between # and > depending whether he was > > superuser or not ... anyone seem to make sense of this? > > with tcsh: set prompt='%#' W4R3Z! thanks! DING! arh0300:~> su -m Password: You have mail in /home/dannyman/mail/enteract. You have mail in /home/dannyman/mail/diary-l. You have mail in /home/dannyman/mail/hackers. arh0300 DING! ~# -- // dannyman yori aiokomete || Our Honored Symbol deserves \\/ http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ || an Honorable Retirement (UIUC) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 16:47:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12421 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:47:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12341 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 16:46:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA16471; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:44:30 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:44:30 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi Reply-To: Narvi To: Chuck Robey cc: Open Systems Networking , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Open Systems Networking wrote: > > > > > this is why i think someone needs to start a CVS tree for the source. > > The patches are starting to fly. :) > > > > So again *prod* *prod* anyone with the resources care to start a mozilla > > CVS tree? *prod* *prod* > > It seems to me that, in offering to be a clearing house for patches > itself, and announcing they are starting a cvs tree too, the netscape > folks have a clear right to be kinda insulted at this. Why not use > their services? If they later prove to be insufficient, then maybe this > might be justified, but not without some reason. > Hm... I hope somebody will correct me if I have gotten some things wrong. We want a CVS repository so that: a) We can easily work on the FreeBSD specific bugs using it. This includes incomplete patches. I really don't think the netscape people will feel offended if the patches we give them are complete and tested to work. b) We can work on features and make sure the new features work also on FreeBSD. Who else but *we* would be the support group for FreeBSD? And as such, why shouldn't we co-ordinate among ourselves and have a CVS repository to help in this? And why would the netscape people feel offended? *DISCLAIMER* - everything wtitten is my personal oppinion. I represent nobody but myself. Sander [snip - two .sigs & a public key & other stuff] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 17:23:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18946 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:23:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18790 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:22:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15233; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:22:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199804030122.RAA15233@rah.star-gate.com> To: Narvi cc: Chuck Robey , Open Systems Networking , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Apr 1998 17:44:30 +0300." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <15230.891566552.1@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 17:22:32 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think that John's idea of having a netscape cvs repository being part of our cvs repository in freefall is fantastic -- that buys a cvs access plus world - wide mirroring . Now all what we need is someone to set it up and manage the tree . Perhaps , Adrian should get an account on FreeFall if he doesn't have one already . Have Fun Guys, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 17:26:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19520 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:26:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [208.131.56.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19512 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:26:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fritcher@calweb.com) Received: by mail.calweb.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA11714; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:26:32 -0800 (PST) X-SMTP: helo web2.calweb.com from fritcher@calweb.com server fritcher@web2.calweb.com ip 208.131.56.52 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:26:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: John Birrell cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pthread question In-Reply-To: <199804020543.PAA12640@cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, John Birrell wrote: > Jason K. Fritcher wrote: > > Tried it, but it didn't make any difference. If it was the problem, it > > should have given me errors about _pthread_create being unreferenced also. > > It is really puzzling why it is finding the _pthread_create function, but > > not the one above. > > I link a lot of things static, but I always issue separate commands > for compile and link. I gave this a try, using a combo of gcc and ld, it got rid of the _pthread_join error, but now it is giving this error, which I have never seen before, since I normally just let gcc do both the compile and the link. Here is what I did. [jkf@outreach:~/src/thread]$ gcc -g -D_THREAD_SAFE -o blah.o -c blah.c [jkf@outreach:~/src/thread]$ ld -Bstatic /usr/lib/crt0.o blah.o -lc_r blah.c:11: Undefined symbol `___main' referenced from text segment Does it normally look for ___main? I always thought it was just _main, or __main. Never seen it use three _'s for main before. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason K. Fritcher Sr. Technical Support fritcher@calweb.com Calweb Internet Services http://www.calweb.com/ 916-641-9320 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bits/KeyID Date Fingerprint 2048/C6663B59 1997/07/11 D3678FFC53D4EA7E 19329F41812F0F58 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 17:32:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21505 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:32:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from keep.scn.ru (keep.scn.ru [195.151.16.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21380; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 17:31:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from smith@scn.ru) Received: from scn.ru (quick.scn.ru [195.151.16.33]) by keep.scn.ru (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA22416; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:32:01 +0800 (KRSS) (envelope-from smith@scn.ru) Message-ID: <35244A26.435FE673@scn.ru> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:32:06 +0700 From: "Vladimir N. Kovalev" Organization: Sibchallenge Telecom Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-qwestion@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD 2.2.5R and PPPD 2.2.3 .... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello ! Anybody know how to install PPPD 2.3.3 from ftp://cs.anu.edu.au/pub/software/ppp/ on FreeBSD 2.2.5R ? I can compile user-level PPPD code, but cannot rebuild the kernel after update. Thanks in advance. Vladimir N. Kovalev To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 19:09:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04434 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:09:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA04423 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:09:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr04.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA02251; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:09:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr04.primenet.com(206.165.6.204) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd002176; Thu Apr 2 20:09:14 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr04.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21161; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:09:12 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199804030309.UAA21161@usr04.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla To: chuckr@glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 03:09:12 +0000 (GMT) Cc: opsys@mail.webspan.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Chuck Robey" at Apr 2, 98 07:58:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > this is why i think someone needs to start a CVS tree for the source. > > The patches are starting to fly. :) > > > > So again *prod* *prod* anyone with the resources care to start a mozilla > > CVS tree? *prod* *prod* > > It seems to me that, in offering to be a clearing house for patches > itself, and announcing they are starting a cvs tree too, the netscape > folks have a clear right to be kinda insulted at this. Why not use > their services? If they later prove to be insufficient, then maybe this > might be justified, but not without some reason. It seems to me that the FreeBSD folks working on Mozilla will have the same problem with this setup that I have with the FreeBSD setup: an inability to maintain local patche streams with history. So long as there are two or more versions of FreeBSD being maintained, it kind of makes sense to maintain a FreeBSD repository. Of course, if CVSup were modified to bring changes in on a continuously updated vendor branch, and tag when it did it, it would be a hell of a lot easier to make and track local changes in your CVS tree without them getting stomped by CVSup. In fact, I wish CVSup would do this for people supping FreeBSD and making large amounts of local mods (as I do), just as it would benefit FreeBSD users CVSup'ing from a FreeBSD repository that CVSup'ed from a Mozilla repository (presuming they set up a server at their site). Mozilla -> Vendor Branch (vendor=Mozilla) FreeBSD -> Vendor Branch (vendor=FreeBSD) ... Ad infinitum... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 19:15:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06356 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:15:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au ([203.36.2.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06219 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:15:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id NAA15959; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:15:27 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199804030315.NAA15959@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: pthread question In-Reply-To: from "Jason K. Fritcher" at "Apr 2, 98 05:26:31 pm" To: fritcher@calweb.com (Jason K. Fritcher) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:15:27 +1000 (EST) Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jason K. Fritcher wrote: > [jkf@outreach:~/src/thread]$ gcc -g -D_THREAD_SAFE -o blah.o -c blah.c > [jkf@outreach:~/src/thread]$ ld -Bstatic /usr/lib/crt0.o blah.o -lc_r > blah.c:11: Undefined symbol `___main' referenced from text segment > > Does it normally look for ___main? I always thought it was just _main, or > __main. Never seen it use three _'s for main before. That's because when you use gcc to run ld, it knows to add crt0.o (or scrt0.o) and libgcc (which is where __main lives). When I said that I issue the compile and link commands separately, I should have explained that I still use gcc so that it adds the startfile and standard libraries. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 19:26:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07861 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:26:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au [129.78.129.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA07795; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:25:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dawes@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au) Received: (from dawes@localhost) by rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.2) id NAA12814; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:25:55 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19980403132554.14962@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:25:54 +1000 From: David Dawes To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Changes to X11 licensing with X11R6.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 Reply-To: feedback@xfree86.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG First, I apologise for the cross post, and for posting at all about this subject to these lists, but I'm looking for some feedback on this issue from the FreeBSD community. Please respect the Reply-To line, and don't pursue the discussion about this on the FreeBSD lists. As some of you are probably aware, The Open Group (TOG) has recently announced new licensing conditions to go with their new X11R6.4 release. This change means that XFree86 needs to make some decisions about our future direction. We have some basic info on our home page (http://www.xfree86.org/), and links to the new licensing information on TOG's web site. If you have anything to say about this in the XFree86 context, please take a look at that info, and send you comments to feedback@xfree86.org. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 21:04:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17398 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:04:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from inet16.us.oracle.com (inet16.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17390 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:04:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from MOLAGAPP.IN.oracle.com.ofcmail@in.oracle.com) Received: from dwarpal.in.oracle.com (dwarpal.in.oracle.com [152.69.176.11]) by inet16.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA08674 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:03:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by dwarpal.in.oracle.com (8.6.13/37.8) id XAA04721; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 23:36:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199804030436.XAA04721@dwarpal.in.oracle.com> Date: 03 Apr 98 08:21:25 +0330 From: "Muthu" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: bcopy implementation Cc: GLAKSHMI.IN.oracle.com.ofcmail@in.oracle.com, JTHERRAT.IN.oracle.com.ofcmail@in.oracle.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.0.5.1.55) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I took a look at bcopy implementation inside the kernel(FreeBSD 2.2.5). If the number of bytes to copy is greater than 1024, it uses the floating point unit implementation else generic bcopy. This kind of implementation is not used in libc. Only generic bcopy is used in all cases. On the assumption, that the system has pentium processor, the bcopy implementation of libc can be changed to floating point implementation as in kernel. One reason of not changing implementation of bcopy in libc may be that applications will run at different speed on different processor. On pentium it will run faster and on 80386 it will run slow. Is there any other valid reason of not implementing this method in libc? Regards, Muthu. O.L. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 21:20:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19019 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:20:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [208.131.56.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19013 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:20:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fritcher@calweb.com) Received: by mail.calweb.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA26976; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:20:11 -0800 (PST) X-SMTP: helo web2.calweb.com from fritcher@calweb.com server fritcher@web2.calweb.com ip 208.131.56.52 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:20:11 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: John Birrell cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pthread question In-Reply-To: <199804030315.NAA15959@cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, John Birrell wrote: > Jason K. Fritcher wrote: > > [jkf@outreach:~/src/thread]$ gcc -g -D_THREAD_SAFE -o blah.o -c blah.c > > [jkf@outreach:~/src/thread]$ ld -Bstatic /usr/lib/crt0.o blah.o -lc_r > > blah.c:11: Undefined symbol `___main' referenced from text segment > > > > Does it normally look for ___main? I always thought it was just _main, or > > __main. Never seen it use three _'s for main before. > > That's because when you use gcc to run ld, it knows to add crt0.o (or > scrt0.o) and libgcc (which is where __main lives). When I said that I > issue the compile and link commands separately, I should have explained > that I still use gcc so that it adds the startfile and standard libraries. Acutally, that did it. I added -lgcc to the end of the ld line, and it linked perfectly. I don't know why gcc couldn't do this by itself, but it works this way. Thanx. :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason K. Fritcher Sr. Technical Support fritcher@calweb.com Calweb Internet Services http://www.calweb.com/ 916-641-9320 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bits/KeyID Date Fingerprint 2048/C6663B59 1997/07/11 D3678FFC53D4EA7E 19329F41812F0F58 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 21:26:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19836 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:26:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA19773 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:25:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkmuir@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yKyz2-0004NF-00; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:25:44 -0800 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 21:25:40 -0800 (PST) From: Justin Muir To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Help Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there. I received that e-mail mentioning that you were always seeking help. Well, I've got some time, enthusiasm and an intrepid spirit. Oh yes, I have a few C compilers as well. justin. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Apr 2 22:18:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26201 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:18:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26128 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:18:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (tnt243.wcc.net [208.10.139.243]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA00109; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:13:47 -0600 (CST) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA02882; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:18:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:18:04 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199804030618.AAA02882@detlev.UUCP> To: housley@pr-comm.com CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <3520260A.3410CE91@pr-comm.com> (housley@pr-comm.com) Subject: Re: Additions to anti-spam rules From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <3520260A.3410CE91@pr-comm.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I added the following to sendmail.cf to prevent lookup into the realtime > blackhole list for local mail, prevents dialing. The checking rules > were added just before the RBL check rule in check_relay. I don't have the anti-spam rules enabled, and certainly don't have a check_relay ruleset. My DeliveryMode is set to deferred. However, when I send mail, my machine still dials out. Anybody have any ideas why? I'm using the stock -current sendmail.cf (built by root@make.ican.net on Wed Feb 4 10:08:01 GMT 1998), with the following changes: O DeliveryMode=deferred S11 R$+ $: $>51 $1 sender/recipient common R$* :; <@> $@ list:; special case R$* $: $>61 $1 qualify unqual'ed names R$+ $: $>94 $1 do masquerading # XXX UGLY HACK # This causes the MAIL FROM: line on all outbound messages to # be piquan@wcc.net, so that I get bounces. R$+ $@ piquan@wcc.net The computer name is set to detlev.UUCP. I am running a trivially-configured bind. Anybody know what's going on? Thanks, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 00:53:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA26084 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:53:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.virginia.edu (mail.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA26077 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 00:52:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from atf3r@cs.virginia.edu) Received: from ares.cs.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa00501; 3 Apr 98 3:52 EST Received: from mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU (mamba-fo.cs.Virginia.EDU [128.143.136.18]) by ares.cs.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA00152; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 03:52:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (atf3r@localhost) by mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA02024; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 03:52:50 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU: atf3r owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 03:52:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Adrian T. Filipi-Martin" Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin To: Amancio Hasty cc: Narvi , Chuck Robey , Open Systems Networking , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla In-Reply-To: <199804030122.RAA15233@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Amancio Hasty wrote: > I think that John's idea of having a netscape cvs repository being part > of our cvs repository in freefall is fantastic -- that buys a cvs access plus > world - wide mirroring . Now all what we need is someone to set it up and > manage the tree . Perhaps , Adrian should get an account on FreeFall if > he doesn't have one already . Ummm. Sure, if no one else wants to claim the privilege first. It's about time I put my money where my mouth is and helped more directly. I use CVS for my own projects and I can set aside enough time to manage a tree. It mostly involves evaluating patches and checking them in, correct? Of course this is a pretty big tree.... BTW, no, I do not have an account on freefall unless 'ftp' counts. Adrian -- adrian@virginia.edu ---->>>>| If I were stranded on a desert island, and System Administrator --->>>| I could only have one OS for my computer, Neurosurgical Visualization Lab ->>| it would be FreeBSD. Think about it..... http://www.nvl.virginia.edu/ ->| http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 01:08:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA29162 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 01:08:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au ([203.36.2.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA29127 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 01:07:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id TAA16536; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:04:15 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199804030904.TAA16536@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla In-Reply-To: from "Adrian T. Filipi-Martin" at "Apr 3, 98 03:52:50 am" To: adrian@virginia.edu Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:04:15 +1000 (EST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee, chuckr@glue.umd.edu, opsys@mail.webspan.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Adrian T. Filipi-Martin wrote: > Ummm. Sure, if no one else wants to claim the privilege first. > It's about time I put my money where my mouth is and helped more directly. > > I use CVS for my own projects and I can set aside enough time to > manage a tree. It mostly involves evaluating patches and checking them > in, correct? Of course this is a pretty big tree.... Will you provide a cvsup service too? "We all expect that." 8-) If freefall is used, then the source should be able to be mirrored too. That helps those of us at the other end of the earth. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 02:03:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA08374 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 02:03:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skink.bluetongue.com (skink.bluetongue.com [203.8.105.52] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08333; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 02:02:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drew@bluetongue.com.au) Received: from localhost (drew@localhost) by skink.bluetongue.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA01240; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 20:02:26 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 20:02:26 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Heath X-Sender: drew@skink.bluetongue.com To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Memory Leak??? Apache, CGI, can't spawn child process Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-630462094-891597746=:1028" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-630462094-891597746=:1028 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Questions.... I am at a loss to explain my problem, I have tried almost everything I can think of with our configuration, and I am running into major problems. We run a webserver which supports about 50 clients, and uses alot of CGI developed scripts as a back end. The server seems to have some sort of memory leak, and I cannot for the life of me plug it. I have included the sysctl -a output, the kernel configuration and the httpd configuration as attachments in the hope that someone will see something that I can't. The 'top' output from our server looks like this: last pid: 1173; load averages: 0.07, 0.09, 0.08 19:58:40 49 processes: 1 running, 48 sleeping CPU states: 1.0% user, 0.0% nice, 1.5% system, 1.9% interrupt, 95.6% idle Mem: 60M Active, 14M Inact, 16M Wired, 8344K Buf, 34M Free Swap: 384M Total, 128K Used, 384M Free We have 128 Mb RAM and are running 2.2.5 release on a Pentium Pro 200. I appreciate any assistance here, as our server is now continually comung up with a CGI can't spawn child process error, and as we are running a reasonable heavily loaded server, this is a problem. FYI we are also running a reasonable loaded DNS server, and Hughes MiniSQL. The mimiSQL server is running as "nobody" I look forward to your replies. Regards, Andrew Heath Andrew Heath Phone 03 9344 9324 Technical Director Fax 03 9344 9362 Blue Tongue Software Pty Ltd Mobile 0419 335 398 Level 3, 207 Bouverie Street, Carlton 3053 email drew@bluetongue.com.au --0-630462094-891597746=:1028 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=sysctlout Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: a2Vybi5vc3R5cGU6IEZyZWVCU0QNCmtlcm4ub3NyZWxlYXNlOiAyLjIuNS1S RUxFQVNFDQprZXJuLm9zcmV2aXNpb246IDE5OTUwNg0Ka2Vybi52ZXJzaW9u OiBGcmVlQlNEIDIuMi41LVJFTEVBU0UgIzA6IFRodSBNYXIgMTkgMTY6NDk6 MjMgRVNUIDE5OTgNCiAgICByb290QHNraW5rLmJsdWV0b25ndWUuY29tOi91 c3Ivc3JjL3N5cy9jb21waWxlL1NLSU5LDQoNCmtlcm4ubWF4dm5vZGVzOiA4 ODM3DQprZXJuLm1heHByb2M6IDEwNDQNCmtlcm4ubWF4ZmlsZXM6IDIwODgN Cmtlcm4uYXJnbWF4OiA2NTUzNg0Ka2Vybi5zZWN1cmVsZXZlbDogLTENCmtl cm4uaG9zdG5hbWU6IHNraW5rLmJsdWV0b25ndWUuY29tDQprZXJuLmhvc3Rp ZDogMA0Ka2Vybi5jbG9ja3JhdGU6IHsgaHogPSAxMDAsIHRpY2sgPSAxMDAw MCwgcHJvZmh6ID0gMTAyNCwgc3RhdGh6ID0gMTI4IH0NCmtlcm4ucG9zaXgx 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MERCUR-SMTP/POP3-Server (v2.10) for at Fri, 3 Apr 98 14:10:21 +0100 From: ircadmin@shellnet.co.uk (Steven Fletcher) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 8 char username limitations Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:11:50 GMT Message-ID: <3529de82.72495505@mailhost.shellnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id FAA00716 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think that I am writing to the correct group here, please correct me if not. I've been using sendmail 8.8.x on one of our FreeBSD (2.2.5-RELEASE) boxes for a few months now, and this box has been acting as a mail relay for a few of our "main" pickup and user send-out, WinNT machines. However, the software running on the NT machines is now struggling, and I've been asked to move all accounts from these to a BSD box, running popper. However, here comes a cosmetic problem.......... The NT machines have been acting as POP3 email servers for years now, with usernames such as "joebloggs-pickup". The idea is that we can simply swap the machine IP's over, and no-one's mail will need re-configuring (approx 160 users). Currently, I can't make such usernames, and I'm pretty sure that a hack here and there should fix that, but I'll need some pointers. Does anyone know how I can allow usernames longer than 8 chars? TIA, -Steven Fletcher (steven@shellnet.co.uk) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 05:34:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04172 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 05:34:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beast.gu.net (beast-fxp0.gu.net [194.93.191.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04165 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 05:34:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stesin@gu.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beast.gu.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA18267; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:28:28 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from stesin@gu.net) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:28:25 +0300 (EEST) From: Andrew Stesin Reply-To: stesin@gu.net To: Steven Fletcher cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 8 char username limitations In-Reply-To: <3529de82.72495505@mailhost.shellnet.co.uk> Message-ID: X-NCC-RegID: ua.gu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Steven Fletcher wrote: > > I think that I am writing to the correct group here, please correct me > if not. freebsd-isp@ ? but anyway... > The NT machines have been acting as POP3 email servers for years now, > with usernames such as "joebloggs-pickup". The idea is that we can > simply swap the machine IP's over, and no-one's mail will need > re-configuring (approx 160 users). Currently, I can't make such > usernames, and I'm pretty sure that a hack here and there should fix > that, but I'll need some pointers. The straightforward solution (bigger hammer :) is to utilize sendmail's USERDB feature, described in sendmail's Operation Manual. Worked for me in a similar situation. Also gives some other nifty features. > -Steven Fletcher (steven@shellnet.co.uk) Best regards, Andrew Stesin nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 05:37:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04804 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 05:37:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bug.fe.up.pt (bug.fe.up.pt [193.136.54.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04793 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 05:37:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@bug.fe.up.pt) From: freebsd@bug.fe.up.pt Received: from localhost (j@localhost) by bug.fe.up.pt (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA16860 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:36:43 +0100 (WEST) (envelope-from freebsd@bug.fe.up.pt) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:36:43 +0100 (WEST) X-Sender: j@bug.fe.up.pt Reply-To: freebsd@bug.fe.up.pt To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Another uptime... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Speaking about FreeBSD stability where it goes... [bug.fe.up.pt] Login Name TTY Idle Login Time Office Phone j Jorge Goncalves *p0 Fri 14:31 j Jorge Goncalves *con 14d Feb 27 1997 ^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is stable as rock... :) It is a 486DX2@50MHz with 16MB of RAM and it runs as a mail server and web server and it runs 2.1.7-RELEASE. Keep with the good work... And maintain a very stable OS. :) Bye Jorge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 05:52:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA06726 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 05:52:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from localhost.zilker.net (jump-x2-0081.jumpnet.com [207.8.61.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA06718 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 05:52:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marquard@zilker.net) Received: (from marquard@localhost) by localhost.zilker.net (8.8.8/8.8.3) id HAA27913; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:51:43 -0600 (CST) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bcopy implementation References: <199804030436.XAA04721@dwarpal.in.oracle.com> From: Dave Marquardt Date: 03 Apr 1998 07:51:12 -0600 In-Reply-To: "Muthu"'s message of "03 Apr 98 08:21:25 +0330" Message-ID: <857m57c8tr.fsf@localhost.zilker.net> Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Quassia Gnus v0.22/XEmacs 19.16 - "Lille" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Muthu" writes: > I took a look at bcopy implementation inside the kernel(FreeBSD 2.2.5). If > the number of bytes to copy is greater than 1024, it uses the floating point > unit implementation else generic bcopy. > > This kind of implementation is not used in libc. Only generic bcopy is used > in all cases. On the assumption, that the system has pentium processor, the > bcopy implementation of libc can be changed to floating point implementation > as in kernel. > > One reason of not changing implementation of bcopy in libc may be that > applications will run at different speed on different processor. On pentium it > will run faster and on 80386 it will run slow. Is there any other valid reason > of not implementing this method in libc? Well, you said it yourself. "On the assumption, that the system has pentium processor...." Well, we can't assume that, since FreeBSD runs on 386s and up. -Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 06:17:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA09476 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:17:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA09467 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:17:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rminnich@Sarnoff.COM) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA26077; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:16:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:16:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" X-Sender: rminnich@terra To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: uptime datapoints In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG what we're finding here with a mixed linux/freebsd cluster: the freebsd boxes stay up as long as the hardware stays up the linux boxes stay up as long as you don't push the network code too hard ron Ron Minnich |Java: an operating-system-independent, rminnich@sarnoff.com |architecture-independent programming language (609)-734-3120 |for Windows/95 and Windows/NT on the Pentium ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 06:23:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10294 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:23:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ocean.campus.luth.se (ocean.campus.luth.se [130.240.194.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10285 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:23:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se) Received: (from karpen@localhost) by ocean.campus.luth.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05837; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:20:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from karpen) From: Mikael Karpberg Message-Id: <199804031420.QAA05837@ocean.campus.luth.se> Subject: Re: bcopy implementation In-Reply-To: <857m57c8tr.fsf@localhost.zilker.net> from Dave Marquardt at "Apr 3, 98 07:51:12 am" To: marquard@zilker.net (Dave Marquardt) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:20:08 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Dave Marquardt: > > of not implementing this method in libc? > > Well, you said it yourself. "On the assumption, that the system has > pentium processor...." Well, we can't assume that, since FreeBSD runs > on 386s and up. Well, if you want everything to go faster, you optimize for the hardware you're actually gonna run on. Now, it would be quite possible too add ifdefs so that you would add -DOPTIMIZE_FOR_PENTIUM to CFLAGS in make.conf and then make world. And libc would be compiled with that optimization, etc. /Mikael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 06:36:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12570 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:36:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12555; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:36:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfieber@indiana.edu) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA12549; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:34:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:34:49 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Andrew Heath cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Memory Leak??? Apache, CGI, can't spawn child process In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-720294148-891614089=:357" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-720294148-891614089=:357 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Andrew Heath wrote: > I appreciate any assistance here, as our server is now continually comung > up with a CGI can't spawn child process error, and as we are running a > reasonable heavily loaded server, this is a problem. > > FYI we are also running a reasonable loaded DNS server, and Hughes > MiniSQL. The mimiSQL server is running as "nobody" One word: /etc/login.conf According to the information you supplied, you have gobs of free resources, but /etc/login.conf sets limits on how much users can use. Put the attached cgi script in your cgi-bin and call it. It will report limits that the web server is running under. The limits specified under "daemon" in /etc/login.conf are in effect when /etc/rc is run, which I presume is when you are starting apache and friends. You probably need to boost the number of processes that daemon can run. Resource limits are inherited and don't change unless explicitly changed by the process. Init sets the limits according to the daemon entry in /etc/login.conf when running /etc/rc. Thus, httpd daemons started by boot by root running as nobody inherit the limits for daemon. -john --0-720294148-891614089=:357 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=env Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: env IyEvYmluL3NoDQoNCiMNCiMgUHJpbnQgc29tZSBpbmZvcm1hdGlvbiBhYm91 dCB0aGUgb3BlcmF0aW5nIGVudmlyb25tZW50DQojIG9mIHRoZSBodHRwZCBk YWVtb24gYW5kIHRoZSBjZ2kgc2NyaXB0cyBpdCBydW5zLg0KIw0KDQplY2hv ICJDb250ZW50LXR5cGU6IHRleHQvcGxhaW4iDQplY2hvICIiDQoNCmVjaG8g IkkgYW06Ig0KaWQNCg0KZWNobyAiIg0KZWNobyAiTGltaXRzOiINCnVsaW1p dCAtYQ0KDQplY2hvICIiDQplY2hvICJFbnZpcm9ubWVudDoiDQplbnYNCg0K ZWNobyAiIg0KZWNobyAiVXB0aW1lOiINCnVwdGltZQ0KDQoNCg== --0-720294148-891614089=:357-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 07:30:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17898 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:30:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.virginia.edu (mail.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA17891 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:30:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from atf3r@cs.virginia.edu) Received: from ares.cs.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa05351; 3 Apr 98 10:29 EST Received: from mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU (mamba-fo.cs.Virginia.EDU [128.143.136.18]) by ares.cs.Virginia.EDU (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06155; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:28:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (atf3r@localhost) by mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08782; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:28:46 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU: atf3r owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:28:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Adrian T. Filipi-Martin" Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin To: John Birrell cc: adrian@virginia.edu, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee, chuckr@glue.umd.edu, opsys@mail.webspan.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Annother patch for Mozilla In-Reply-To: <199804030904.TAA16536@cimlogic.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, John Birrell wrote: > Adrian T. Filipi-Martin wrote: > > Ummm. Sure, if no one else wants to claim the privilege first. > > It's about time I put my money where my mouth is and helped more directly. > > > > I use CVS for my own projects and I can set aside enough time to > > manage a tree. It mostly involves evaluating patches and checking them > > in, correct? Of course this is a pretty big tree.... > > Will you provide a cvsup service too? "We all expect that." 8-) > > If freefall is used, then the source should be able to be mirrored too. > That helps those of us at the other end of the earth. Yes. Defintely. Of course.. I just emailed Jordan. If all goes well, then I'd hope to provide whatever helps the people using the repository. Adrian -- adrian@virginia.edu ---->>>>| If I were stranded on a desert island, and System Administrator --->>>| I could only have one OS for my computer, Neurosurgical Visualization Lab ->>| it would be FreeBSD. Think about it..... http://www.nvl.virginia.edu/ ->| http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 07:48:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA19618 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:48:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA19612 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:48:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA00855; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:47:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA22090; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:47:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:47:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199804031547.IAA22090@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mikael Karpberg Cc: marquard@zilker.net (Dave Marquardt), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bcopy implementation In-Reply-To: <199804031420.QAA05837@ocean.campus.luth.se> References: <857m57c8tr.fsf@localhost.zilker.net> <199804031420.QAA05837@ocean.campus.luth.se> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ Pentium optimized bcopy in libc ] > > > of not implementing this method in libc? > > > > Well, you said it yourself. "On the assumption, that the system has > > pentium processor...." Well, we can't assume that, since FreeBSD runs > > on 386s and up. > > Well, if you want everything to go faster, you optimize for the hardware > you're actually gonna run on. People seem to be forgetting that since bcopy isn't a system call, it's possible to royally screw yourself up with it, since it uses the FP registers. So, one program could be in the middle of doing a bcopy, and a second program could interrupt it, and spam the registers of the previous program, so that when the first was resume it's results are totally bogus. (The kernel doesn't save the contents of the FP registers, but since all kernel calls are guaranteed to 'complete' before getting swapped, then this isn't a problem in kernel-land.) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 08:09:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA21277 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:09:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from penrose.isocor.ie (penrose.isocor.ie [194.106.155.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA21269 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:09:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter.edwards@isocor.ie) Received: from isocor.ie (194.106.155.26) by penrose.isocor.ie; 3 Apr 1998 17:08:41 +0100 Message-ID: <35250964.F89A1631@isocor.ie> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 17:08:04 +0100 From: Peter Edwards Organization: ISOCOR X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nate Williams CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bcopy implementation References: <857m57c8tr.fsf@localhost.zilker.net> <199804031420.QAA05837@ocean.campus.luth.se> <199804031547.IAA22090@mt.sri.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > (The kernel doesn't save the contents of the FP registers, but since all > kernel calls are guaranteed to 'complete' before getting swapped, then > this isn't a problem in kernel-land.) > > Nate Huh? Surely the FP registers are saved? To get anything like decent speed math, I assume user programs can use floating point instructions directly. A quick look at /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/swtch.s and the save87 struct in /usr/include/sys/pcb.h seem to bear this out. Cheers, Peter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 08:11:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA21791 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:11:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA21780 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:11:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yL8di-0003so-00; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:44:22 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:44:14 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Andrew Stesin cc: Steven Fletcher , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 8 char username limitations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Andrew Stesin wrote: > > with usernames such as "joebloggs-pickup". The idea is that we can > > simply swap the machine IP's over, and no-one's mail will need > > re-configuring (approx 160 users). Currently, I can't make such > > usernames, and I'm pretty sure that a hack here and there should fix > > that, but I'll need some pointers. > > The straightforward solution (bigger hammer :) is to utilize > sendmail's USERDB feature, described in sendmail's > Operation Manual. Worked for me in a similar situation. > Also gives some other nifty features. That may preserve peoples long e-mail addresses, but people will have to change their POP3 usernames. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 08:16:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22535 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:16:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA22486 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:15:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yL8jb-0003tT-00; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:50:27 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:50:27 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Steven Fletcher cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 8 char username limitations In-Reply-To: <3529de82.72495505@mailhost.shellnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Steven Fletcher wrote: > The NT machines have been acting as POP3 email servers for years now, > with usernames such as "joebloggs-pickup". The idea is that we can > simply swap the machine IP's over, and no-one's mail will need ... > Does anyone know how I can allow usernames longer than 8 chars? Does everyone have the "-pickup" suffix? It would be a simple mod to qpopper to strip such a suffix. The next part of the solution is do a "make world" with username set to 16 characters. > TIA, > > -Steven Fletcher (steven@shellnet.co.uk) Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 08:20:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23798 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:20:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23784 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:20:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA26777; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:16:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd026774; Fri Apr 3 16:16:00 1998 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:11:06 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: "Ron G. Minnich" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Virtual Interface Architecture In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was at a talk where he said he had 30 instructions for UDP, not TCP.. On Tue, 31 Mar 1998, Ron G. Minnich wrote: > > As someone else mentioned, Van Jacobson has gotten the fast path case > > down to ~30 instructions for TCP processing on the receive side. If > > we could get around all the complex memory management using something like > > above, it should perform fairly well. > > This has been mentioned, starting ca. 1990. Has anyone seen the code? > nowadays when I bring this up people shrug their shoulders in disbelief. > Kind of a shame. > > ron > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 08:23:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24480 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:23:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from att.com (cagw1.att.com [192.128.52.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA24461 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:23:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sbabkin@dcn.att.com) From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: by cagw1.att.com; Fri Apr 3 11:15 EST 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by caig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA22581 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <2BJ2JFV0>; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:27:39 -0500 Message-ID: To: karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se, nate@mt.sri.com Cc: marquard@zilker.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: bcopy implementation Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:27:37 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > ---------- > From: Nate Williams[SMTP:nate@mt.sri.com] > > People seem to be forgetting that since bcopy isn't a system call, > it's > possible to royally screw yourself up with it, since it uses the FP > registers. > > So, one program could be in the middle of doing a bcopy, and a second > program could interrupt it, and spam the registers of the previous > program, so that when the first was resume it's results are totally > bogus. > Huh ? The floating point registers must be saved as part of context or else no program using them will work properly. Serge Babkin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 09:16:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03710 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:16:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03702 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:16:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA19280; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:15:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199804031715.JAA19280@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Peter Edwards cc: Nate Williams , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bcopy implementation In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Apr 1998 17:08:04 +0100." <35250964.F89A1631@isocor.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:15:51 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It would be nice if someone could measure a worldstone with a modified libc's bcopy vs standard libc's bcopy. Cheers, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 09:29:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04968 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:29:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from java.dpcsys.com (java.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04886 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:28:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dpcsys.com) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by java.dpcsys.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA17710; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:27:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:27:59 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: Steven Fletcher cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 8 char username limitations In-Reply-To: <3529de82.72495505@mailhost.shellnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Steven Fletcher wrote: > However, the software running on the NT machines is now struggling, > and I've been asked to move all accounts from these to a BSD box, > running popper. However, here comes a cosmetic problem.......... A fairly simple way to do this, if there are no collisions truncating the account names to 8 characters, is using /etc/aliases and a hack to popper. That's what I did when moving mail from an SVR4 system to FreeBSD. I'm using ipop3d and can send you a patch if that's what you have. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 09:32:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05189 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:32:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from coleridge.kublai.com (coleridge.kublai.com [207.96.1.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05149 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:31:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shmit@coleridge.kublai.com) Received: (from shmit@localhost) by coleridge.kublai.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23198; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:31:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from shmit) Message-ID: <19980403123121.27368@kublai.com> Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:31:21 -0500 From: Brian Cully To: Tim Vanderhoek , Chuck Robey Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Objective C rules for /usr/share/mk Reply-To: shmit@kublai.com Mail-Followup-To: Tim Vanderhoek , Chuck Robey , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Tim Vanderhoek on Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 06:02:13PM -0500 X-Sender: If your mailer pays attention to this, it's broken. X-PGP-Info: finger shmit@kublai.com for my public key. Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Apr 02, 1998 at 06:02:13PM -0500, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > I thought it was an installed part of gcc, actually (compiling a > simple .m file works, at least :). Regardless, a well-written > patch should make using other compilers as simple as defining a > few vars. The way my patches are structured, you can set ${OBJC} to be whatever compiler you want. There is a problem in that in bsd.prog.mk, I have it set LDADD+=-lobjc if there are .m files in the sources. It wouldn't be too hard to set that to ${LIBOBJC} if bsd.libnames.mk is included in the default case (which, if I'm reading bsd.prog.mk right, it should be once we transition to ELF). -bjc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 11:52:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05849 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:52:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05824 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:52:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id OAA16764; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:48:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:52:27 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Steven Fletcher cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 8 char username limitations In-Reply-To: <3529de82.72495505@mailhost.shellnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There is a section on this in the FreeBSD handbook at http://www.freebsd.org Under the documentation link i believe. You can change the names to 16 characters but it breaks compatability with some services like NIS I think. But you can do it. Have a look in the handbook. Chris -- "I am closed minded. It keeps the rain out." ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 12:12:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11575 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:12:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA11424 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:12:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA00412 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 22:12:28 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id VAA01077 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:52:17 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199804031952.VAA01077@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: shopping for video adapter To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers list) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:52:15 +0200 (MET DST) X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm currently shopping for a new video adapter. Req's: 1280x1024 in at least 16 bit deep, 74Hz refresh. Usable with stock XFree. Must be PCI, known working with 75MHz bus speed. Would e.g. a Matrox Millenium II fit this? Recommendations (in private email) are appreciated. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl -------------------------------------------------- Powered by FreeBSD ------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 12:56:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26308 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:56:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nothing.infoinsights.com ([208.151.124.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26067; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:56:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dustin@infoinsights.com) Received: from localhost (dustin@localhost) by nothing.infoinsights.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA11262; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:49:05 -0900 (AKST) (envelope-from dustin@infoinsights.com) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:49:05 -0900 (AKST) From: Dustin Andrews Reply-To: Dustin Andrews To: Andrew Heath cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Memory Leak??? Apache, CGI, can't spawn child process In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-630462094-891597746=:1028" Content-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-630462094-891597746=:1028 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Andrew Heath wrote: }Dear Questions.... } }I am at a loss to explain my problem, I have tried almost everything I can }think of with our configuration, and I am running into major problems. } }We run a webserver which supports about 50 clients, and uses alot of CGI }developed scripts as a back end. } [snippage] Hold it right there. Before you blame the OS or the web server I would look into these scripts. I have seen one script, that seemed to be written fine, crash a similar system. If your scripts are in C then I would suspect one of them to be the culprit of the memory leak. Here is a way to test my hypothesis. Turn off half the scripts. See if that helps. If it does not turn them back on and turn off the other half. If one of theses steps works, then just keep halving the number of scripts you are running till you find the culprit. It could be a combination of scripts causing the problems or more than one may be causing the exact same problem. If so the 'half' approach might not find it. Also your customers might gripe less if you turn them off one at a time, but this is way more tedious. Look closely at any scripts that fork a lot of processes. Look at the child code to make sure it is cleaning itself up well when it dies. I will bet you a Henry Weinharts Root Beer that it's a script with leak in the children or child creation process. You could be having an OS or web server related problem, however I am running a similar system at an ISP with a reasonable number of scripts and it is robust and stable. Good luck solving your problem. -- Dustin Andrews, 907 452-2461 -- Email: dustin@infoinsights.com dustina@mindless.com "I see the light at the end of the tunnel, someone please tell me that it's not a train" --Cracker --0-630462094-891597746=:1028-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 13:15:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01620 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:15:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (Mail1.Toronto.iSTAR.net [209.89.75.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA01590 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:15:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from maher@istar.ca) Received: from (istar.ca) [24.113.55.7] by mail1.toronto.istar.net with esmtp (Exim 1.80 #5) id 0yLDr0-0004ve-00; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:18:27 -0500 Message-ID: <3524DF82.51F041C8@istar.ca> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:09:22 +0000 From: Rob Maher X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-980311-SNAP i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD vs Linux TCP/IP Stacks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I am preparing a report for a study of the differences between the FreeBSD and Linux TCP/IP stacks, with respect to which implementation is more efficient and robust. I was wondering if someone may be able to provide me with some information on any major differences between the two stacks which may make one stack seem 'better' than the other at handling large loads of users. Please send replies to maher@istar.ca since I doubt the spam is needed on the mailing list. Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance! Robert Maher To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 13:24:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03311 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:24:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bmcgover-pc.cisco.com (bmcgover-pc.cisco.com [171.69.104.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03289 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:24:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmcgover@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com) Received: from bmcgover-pc.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by bmcgover-pc.cisco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00938 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:24:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bmcgover@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com) Message-Id: <199804032124.QAA00938@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Adding functionality to wormcontrol/IDE CD-R[W] Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 16:23:59 -0500 From: Brian McGovern Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm curious to find out how difficult it is (would be) to add functionality to support more drives with wormcontrol, and the difficulty of supporting IDE CD-Rs. The reason being that the HP 4020i, 6020i have both been discontinued, and the other supported drives have been elusive (if anyone knows where I can get a good deal...).... I'm looking at the Yamaha 6x2x2x SCSI CR-RW drive, as well as the HP 7000 series. The Yamaha isn't supported, as far as I can tell, and the new HP drives are all IDE. Comments? -Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 15:03:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24513 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:03:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24479 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:02:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01315; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:57:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199804032157.NAA01315@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Brian McGovern cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adding functionality to wormcontrol/IDE CD-R[W] In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Apr 1998 16:23:59 EST." <199804032124.QAA00938@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:57:08 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm looking at the Yamaha 6x2x2x SCSI CR-RW drive, as well as the HP 7000 > series. The Yamaha isn't supported, as far as I can tell, and the new HP > drives are all IDE. /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrecord. Wormcontrol doesn't seem to have much to offer by comparison. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 16:08:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02353 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:08:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02336 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:08:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08630; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:08:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd008610; Fri Apr 3 17:08:06 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA12396; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:08:03 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199804040008.RAA12396@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: 8 char username limitations To: opsys@mail.webspan.net (Open Systems Networking) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:08:03 +0000 (GMT) Cc: ircadmin@shellnet.co.uk, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Open Systems Networking" at Apr 3, 98 02:52:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Under the documentation link i believe. > You can change the names to 16 characters but it breaks compatability with > some services like NIS I think. But you can do it. Have a look in the > handbook. We have been running with 32 character names for some time now (AppleTalk accounts). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 16:12:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02834 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:12:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02796 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:11:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21897; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:11:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd021861; Fri Apr 3 17:11:49 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA12763; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:11:45 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199804040011.RAA12763@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: bcopy implementation To: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:11:45 +0000 (GMT) Cc: karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se, nate@mt.sri.com, marquard@zilker.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "sbabkin@dcn.att.com" at Apr 3, 98 11:27:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > People seem to be forgetting that since bcopy isn't a system call, > > it's > > possible to royally screw yourself up with it, since it uses the FP > > registers. > > > > So, one program could be in the middle of doing a bcopy, and a second > > program could interrupt it, and spam the registers of the previous > > program, so that when the first was resume it's results are totally > > bogus. > > > Huh ? The floating point registers must be saved as part of > context or else no program using them will work properly. However, they need not be switched at context switch time. Specifically, the reason for saving FP context is for exception signalling. You can "lasy bind" the FP context, such that you only unload the registers if another guy wants to use them. This is, in fact, what FreeBSD does. This saves overhead on context switches. Only those apps using the registers have to take the hit. Signals do not save FP registers at all. You should also look at the setjmp/longjmp manual pages; there are FP saving equivalents. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 17:11:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10056 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:11:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10026 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:10:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA13447 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:02:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd013445; Sat Apr 4 01:02:03 1998 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:57:09 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Possibly interesting technical talks coming up (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG anyone interested in making sure we aren't missed out? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:01:16 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill To: eng@whistle.com Subject: Possibly interesting technical talks coming up Wednesday, 8 April, there's a talk being given on IP telephony, sponsored by the local ACM chapter. Thursday, 16 April, our own Jeremy Allison will be giving a talk involving Samba, sponsored by BayLISA (http://www.baylisa.org/). And at last night's BayLISA board meeting there was discussion about trying to schedule 3 folks from different camps to talk about their favorite UNIX-on-PC-hardware platform for the July meeting. Invitations are to be extended to Rob Kolstad (of BSDI), Linus Torvalds (Linux), and someone from Sun (whose name I don't quite recall), who apparently knows how to make Solaris x86 run (well).... I can drag up more details on these, as necessary.... david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 401-0168 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 20:00:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17340 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 20:00:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA17257 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:59:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0yLJie-0004MG-00; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:34:12 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:34:11 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Open Systems Networking cc: Steven Fletcher , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 8 char username limitations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Open Systems Networking wrote: > Under the documentation link i believe. > You can change the names to 16 characters but it breaks compatability with > some services like NIS I think. But you can do it. Have a look in the Does not break NIS. That is a myth which seems endlessly repeated... which seems odd to me, as NIS is based on free-form text records, so it could support usernames of a few hundred characters... It will however break on any system that can't handle 8+ usernames (ex. SunOS 4.1.x). Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 20:58:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23987 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 20:58:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from seidata.com (ns1.seidata.com [208.10.211.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA23957 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 20:57:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@seidata.com) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by seidata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA22245; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:57:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:57:41 -0500 (EST) From: Mike To: Steven Fletcher cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 8 char username limitations In-Reply-To: <3529de82.72495505@mailhost.shellnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Steven Fletcher wrote: > Does anyone know how I can allow usernames longer than 8 chars? I suppose you could create the accounts with valid 8char ids and then setup /etc/virtusertable to allow all of the >8char ids to work. So if you setup a valid account called 'user' and you want mail sent to 'superlongusername' to go to the 'user' account, you would put the following in /etc/virtusertable: superlongusername@yourdomain user@yourdomain Then you would just do a 'makemap hash /etc/virtusertable < /etc/virtusertable' to create a .db file for sendmail. You may need to restart the sendmail daemon for the changes to take affect. Just an idea... and I'm sure you'll get 10-20 more that are better before this reaches you... that's the beauty of this list. :) --- Mike Hoskins Kettering University SEI Data Network Services, Inc. CS/CE Dual-Major Program mike@seidata.com hosk0094@kettering.edu http://www.seidata.com http://www.kettering.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 21:11:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25829 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:11:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25805 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:10:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03621; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 22:10:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd003602; Fri Apr 3 22:10:32 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA28527; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 22:10:26 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199804040510.WAA28527@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Exception handling in 2.8.0 (Was Re: mozilla source) To: jb@cimlogic.com.au (John Birrell) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 05:10:25 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199804012142.HAA07461@cimlogic.com.au> from "John Birrell" at Apr 2, 98 07:42:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Note: Cygnus rejected this patch because they had already decided > > on their bogus implementation, where you need two compilers to be > > able to compile with or without threads. The patch was not submitted > > to FSF (but should be) for fear of a schism. > > I think there is an alternative method that will achieve the same result, > but without affecting Cygnus/FSF sources. > > We can add a replacement function for [ ... __get_dynamic_handler_chain ... ] [ ... __get_dynamic_handler_chain ... ] > I guess that I must be missing something here. Seems simple. The egcs code *must* be compiled "with threads support". You need to look into what that means to understand the problem. Consider that, much as you or I might not like it, some people aren't going to want to link with libc_r. Your fix is "another fix for libgcc2.a" for FSF, but does nothing for Cygnus. 8-(. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Apr 3 21:11:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26013 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:11:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25995 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:11:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04049; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 22:11:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd004035; Fri Apr 3 22:11:45 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA28669; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 22:11:41 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199804040511.WAA28669@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: 8 char username limitations To: tom@sdf.com (Tom) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 05:11:40 +0000 (GMT) Cc: opsys@mail.webspan.net, ircadmin@shellnet.co.uk, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Tom" at Apr 3, 98 07:34:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Under the documentation link i believe. > > You can change the names to 16 characters but it breaks compatability with > > some services like NIS I think. But you can do it. Have a look in the > > Does not break NIS. That is a myth which seems endlessly repeated... > which seems odd to me, as NIS is based on free-form text records, so it > could support usernames of a few hundred characters... > > It will however break on any system that can't handle 8+ usernames (ex. > SunOS 4.1.x). Right. It breaks NIS *clients*, not *NIS*. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Apr 4 00:12:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA15196 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:12:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from inet16.us.oracle.com (inet16.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15172 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:12:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from MOLAGAPP.IN.oracle.com.ofcmail@in.oracle.com) Received: from dwarpal.in.oracle.com (dwarpal.in.oracle.com [152.69.176.11]) by inet16.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA00990 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:10:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by dwarpal.in.oracle.com (8.6.13/37.8) id CAA11904; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:43:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199804040743.CAA11904@dwarpal.in.oracle.com> Date: 04 Apr 98 11:31:29 +0330 From: "Muthu" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Fwd: bcopy implementation MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.0.5.1.55) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_ORCL_2860848_0_11919804041214320" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --=_ORCL_2860848_0_11919804041214320 Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Content-Type:text/plain; charset="us-ascii" --=_ORCL_2860848_0_11919804041214320 Content-Type:message/rfc822 Date: 03 Apr 98 18:28:31 From:"Muthu" To:owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject:Re: bcopy implementation X-Orcl-Application:In-Reply-To: INUNIX2.IN.ORACLE.COM:owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org's message of 02-Apr-98 21:16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type:multipart/mixed; boundary="=_ORCL_2860848_0_11919804041214321" --=_ORCL_2860848_0_11919804041214321 Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Content-Type:text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I am attempting to optimize the libc for pentium processor. Is anybody attempting this work? The bcopy implementation in libc gives 100% performance improvement on Dell machines. But as Compaq Deskpro machine is concerned, this implementation degrades the performance. Do any one have idea why such a difference in the two machines? Both Dell and Compaq deskpro has pentium processor. Regards, Muthu. O.L. --=_ORCL_2860848_0_11919804041214321 Content-Type:message/rfc822 Date: 03 Apr 98 17:50:08 From:"Mikael Karpberg " To:marquard@zilker.net,(Dave,Marquardt) Subject:Re: bcopy implementation Cc:freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received:from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com by insun023 with ESMTP (SMI-8.6/37.8) id JAA10343; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:18:28 -0500 Received:from ns3.harborcom.net (ns3.harborcom.net [206.158.4.14]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA13780 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:23:14 -0800 (PST) Received:from hub.freebsd.org [204.216.27.18] by ns3.harborcom.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yL7OO-0007iI-00; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:24:28 -0500 Received:from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA10440; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:24:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received:by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:23:59 -0800 Received:(from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10294 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:23:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received:from ocean.campus.luth.se (ocean.campus.luth.se [130.240.194.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10285 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:23:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se) Received:(from karpen@localhost) by ocean.campus.luth.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05837; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:20:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from karpen) Message-Id:<199804031420.QAA05837@ocean.campus.luth.se> In-Reply-To:<857m57c8tr.fsf@localhost.zilker.net> from Dave Marquardt at "Apr 3, 98 07:51:12 am" X-Mailer:ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Sender:owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop:FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Content-Type:text/plain; charset="us-ascii" According to Dave Marquardt: > > of not implementing this method in libc? > > Well, you said it yourself. "On the assumption, that the system has > pentium processor...." Well, we can't assume that, since FreeBSD runs > on 386s and up. Well, if you want everything to go faster, you optimize for the hardware you're actually gonna run on. Now, it would be quite possible too add ifdefs so that you would add -DOPTIMIZE_FOR_PENTIUM to CFLAGS in make.conf and then make world. And libc would be compiled with that optimization, etc. /Mikael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message --=_ORCL_2860848_0_11919804041214321-- --=_ORCL_2860848_0_11919804041214320-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Apr 4 00:12:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA15226 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:12:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from inet16.us.oracle.com (inet16.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15171 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:12:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from MOLAGAPP.IN.oracle.com.ofcmail@in.oracle.com) Received: from dwarpal.in.oracle.com (dwarpal.in.oracle.com [152.69.176.11]) by inet16.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA00987 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by dwarpal.in.oracle.com (8.6.13/37.8) id CAA11902; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:43:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199804040743.CAA11902@dwarpal.in.oracle.com> Date: 04 Apr 98 11:32:34 +0330 From: "Muthu" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Fwd: bcopy implementation MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.0.5.1.55) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_ORCL_2860851_0_11919804041214310" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --=_ORCL_2860851_0_11919804041214310 Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Content-Type:text/plain; charset="us-ascii" --=_ORCL_2860851_0_11919804041214310 Content-Type:message/rfc822 Date: 03 Apr 98 18:28:31 From:"Muthu" To:owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject:Re: bcopy implementation X-Orcl-Application:In-Reply-To: INUNIX2.IN.ORACLE.COM:owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org's message of 02-Apr-98 21:16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type:multipart/mixed; boundary="=_ORCL_2860851_0_11919804041214311" --=_ORCL_2860851_0_11919804041214311 Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Content-Type:text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I am attempting to optimize the libc for pentium processor. Is anybody attempting this work? The bcopy implementation in libc gives 100% performance improvement on Dell machines. But as Compaq Deskpro machine is concerned, this implementation degrades the performance. Do any one have idea why such a difference in the two machines? Both Dell and Compaq deskpro has pentium processor. Regards, Muthu. O.L. --=_ORCL_2860851_0_11919804041214311 Content-Type:message/rfc822 Date: 03 Apr 98 17:50:08 From:"Mikael Karpberg " To:marquard@zilker.net,(Dave,Marquardt) Subject:Re: bcopy implementation Cc:freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received:from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com by insun023 with ESMTP (SMI-8.6/37.8) id JAA10343; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:18:28 -0500 Received:from ns3.harborcom.net (ns3.harborcom.net [206.158.4.14]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA13780 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:23:14 -0800 (PST) Received:from hub.freebsd.org [204.216.27.18] by ns3.harborcom.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yL7OO-0007iI-00; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:24:28 -0500 Received:from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA10440; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:24:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received:by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:23:59 -0800 Received:(from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10294 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:23:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received:from ocean.campus.luth.se (ocean.campus.luth.se [130.240.194.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10285 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 06:23:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se) Received:(from karpen@localhost) by ocean.campus.luth.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05837; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:20:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from karpen) Message-Id:<199804031420.QAA05837@ocean.campus.luth.se> In-Reply-To:<857m57c8tr.fsf@localhost.zilker.net> from Dave Marquardt at "Apr 3, 98 07:51:12 am" X-Mailer:ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Sender:owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop:FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Content-Type:text/plain; charset="us-ascii" According to Dave Marquardt: > > of not implementing this method in libc? > > Well, you said it yourself. "On the assumption, that the system has > pentium processor...." Well, we can't assume that, since FreeBSD runs > on 386s and up. Well, if you want everything to go faster, you optimize for the hardware you're actually gonna run on. Now, it would be quite possible too add ifdefs so that you would add -DOPTIMIZE_FOR_PENTIUM to CFLAGS in make.conf and then make world. And libc would be compiled with that optimization, etc. /Mikael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message --=_ORCL_2860851_0_11919804041214311-- --=_ORCL_2860851_0_11919804041214310-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Apr 4 02:13:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA26463 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:13:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from inet16.us.oracle.com (inet16.us.oracle.com [192.86.155.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA26458 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:13:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from MOLAGAPP.IN.oracle.com.ofcmail@in.oracle.com) Received: from dwarpal.in.oracle.com (dwarpal.in.oracle.com [152.69.176.11]) by inet16.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA22006 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:10:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by dwarpal.in.oracle.com (8.6.13/37.8) id EAA12300; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 04:43:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199804040943.EAA12300@dwarpal.in.oracle.com> Date: 04 Apr 98 13:31:31 +0330 From: "Muthu" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bcopy implementation X-Orcl-Application: In-Reply-To: INUNIX2.IN.ORACLE.COM:owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG's message of 03-Apr-98 07:07 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Oracle InterOffice (version 4.0.5.1.55) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_ORCL_2860996_0_11919804041414580" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --=_ORCL_2860996_0_11919804041414580 Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Content-Type:text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I looked into code of saving the fpu resigers during context switch. A variable npxproc is used for comparision with curproc. If two variables are equal, the saving of fpu resiters happens in context switch. Assume, process A uses fpu instructions, hence it generates dna interrupt since TS bit is set. The ISR routine npxdna() sets the npxproc to curproc. Now if the process A does a context switch, it compares the npxproc with curproc and since it is equal, the saving of fpu happens. Thus no delayed saving happens in current implementation. I am thinking like saving fpu registers in npxdna() code. Here check if npxproc is equal to curproc, then save the fpu registers in npxproc pcb structures. This also saves storing and restoring of fpu registers if no other process except process A (just one more process) uses fpu registers. Please comment on this kind of implementation. I think this will certainly save the time in context switch also. Regards, Muthu. O.L. --=_ORCL_2860996_0_11919804041414580 Content-Type:message/rfc822 Date: 04 Apr 98 03:41:45 From:"Terry Lambert " To:sbabkin@dcn.att.com Subject:Re: bcopy implementation Cc:karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se,nate@mt.sri.com,marquard@zilker.net,freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Received:from inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com by insun023 with ESMTP (SMI-8.6/37.8) id TAA13118; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:33:23 -0500 Received:from smyrno.sol.net (mail@smyrno.sol.net [206.55.64.117]) by inet-user-gw-1.us.oracle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23280 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:38:09 -0800 (PST) Received:from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) by smyrno.sol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNNS-1.02) with ESMTP id SAA02521; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:15:26 -0600 (CST) Received:from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA03502; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:15:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received:by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:12:04 -0800 Received:(from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02834 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:12:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received:from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02796 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 16:11:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received:(from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21897; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:11:57 -0700 (MST) Received:from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd021861; Fri Apr 3 17:11:49 1998 Received:(from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA12763; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:11:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id:<199804040011.RAA12763@usr06.primenet.com> In-Reply-To: from "sbabkin@dcn.att.com" at Apr 3, 98 11:27:37 am X-Mailer:ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Sender:owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop:FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding:7bit Content-Type:text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > People seem to be forgetting that since bcopy isn't a system call, > > it's > > possible to royally screw yourself up with it, since it uses the FP > > registers. > > > > So, one program could be in the middle of doing a bcopy, and a second > > program could interrupt it, and spam the registers of the previous > > program, so that when the first was resume it's results are totally > > bogus. > > > Huh ? The floating point registers must be saved as part of > context or else no program using them will work properly. However, they need not be switched at context switch time. Specifically, the reason for saving FP context is for exception signalling. You can "lasy bind" the FP context, such that you only unload the registers if another guy wants to use them. This is, in fact, what FreeBSD does. This saves overhead on context switches. Only those apps using the registers have to take the hit. Signals do not save FP registers at all. You should also look at the setjmp/longjmp manual pages; there are FP saving equivalents. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message --=_ORCL_2860996_0_11919804041414580-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Apr 4 02:38:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28596 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:38:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sos.freebsd.dk (sos.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA28591 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 02:38:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@sos.freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by sos.freebsd.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00976; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:37:43 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from sos) Message-Id: <199804041037.MAA00976@sos.freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: Adding functionality to wormcontrol/IDE CD-R[W] In-Reply-To: <199804032157.NAA01315@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Apr 3, 98 01:57:08 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:37:43 +0200 (MEST) Cc: bmcgover@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Søren Schmidt Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL30 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In reply to Mike Smith who wrote: > > I'm looking at the Yamaha 6x2x2x SCSI CR-RW drive, as well as the HP 7000 > > series. The Yamaha isn't supported, as far as I can tell, and the new HP > > drives are all IDE. > > /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrecord. Wormcontrol doesn't seem to have much to > offer by comparison. Except that cdrecord wont work with IDE drives under FreeBSD. I have almost gotten the atapi cd driver to work with an IDE CD-RW drive, but it is not completely there yet. Another way is to make an ATAPI<>SCSI driver like others (read Linux) have. I'm looking at that too, but my time is limitted currently... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Apr 4 03:24:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA02752 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 03:24:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost.shellnet.co.uk (mailhost.shellnet.co.uk [194.129.209.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA02747 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 03:24:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ircadmin@shellnet.co.uk) ceived: by mailhost.shellnet.co.uk with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3-Server (v2.10) for at Sat, 4 Apr 98 12:23:57 +0100 From: ircadmin@shellnet.co.uk (Steven Fletcher) To: Mike Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 8 char username limitations Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:25:33 GMT Organization: Shellnet Ltd. Message-ID: <3526182c.628596@mailhost.shellnet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id DAA02748 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >superlongusername@yourdomain user@yourdomain > >Then you would just do a 'makemap hash /etc/virtusertable < >/etc/virtusertable' to create a .db file for sendmail. You may need to >restart the sendmail daemon for the changes to take affect. > >Just an idea... and I'm sure you'll get 10-20 more that are better before >this reaches you... that's the beauty of this list. :) > This isn't the way I want to do it. I need to proper, real login names so that popper, sendmail, ftp, and everything else will work from just one hack, not a load of aliases, references, etc etc. I already use the virtuserablt in any case for @domain.com fred, but I would like it to be: @domain.com fred-mail-pickup -Steven Fletcher (steven@shellnet.co.uk) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Apr 4 07:48:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27323 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:48:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bigbrother ([206.29.49.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA27317 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 07:48:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vshah@rstcorp.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by bigbrother (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA04224 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:37:48 -0500 Received: from fault.rstcorp.com(206.29.49.18) by bigbrother.rstcorp.com via smap (V2.0) id xma004222; Sat, 4 Apr 98 11:37:39 -0500 Received: (from vshah@localhost) by rstcorp.com (8.8.1/8.8.1) id KAA03150; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:47:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:47:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199804041547.KAA03150@rstcorp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Viren R. Shah" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Building 3.0 kernel on 2.2.6 system? X-Mailer: VM 6.40 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Viren R. Shah" X-Face: )~y+U*K:yzjz{q<5lzpI_SVef'U.])9g[C9`1N@]u3,MHY7f*l7C)[_NjM4y4K8$uIUh|\u (K&&HS6,M!61&GMTk'mqmB/Qg]]X}"?TzsFl]"2v!bl8']dma.:^IY^a[lbOI>U:b<~FyK3q-p{HmZ mn~g.`~BE!5{2D:}Yi+\_KkWe?XaHj9$ko1k8iKLYv5*_2c8"G=?Up[}hn+7RNM(bzBZ_wWk6!Pf&B ?3Tcm7M7B~W%K/I0aX3]*=jP?aM]H6HBPT`oLk+0n^_;N\2\%|Rhy;p}34Q.jEsM\qtnxcm;ag%Nq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm trying to build a 3.0 kernel on a system with the following layout: 1. System is running 2.2.6 2. 2.2.6 source is in /usr/src 3. -current source is in /home/current/usr/{src,obj} I did a make buildworld in /home/current/usr/src. It completed without errors. I'm now trying to build a -current kernel (GENERIC) using the config generated by the -current buildworld. 1. Is this possible? 2. If so, then what is causing the following errors: cc -c -O -Wreturn-type -Wcomment -Wredundant-decls -Wimplicit -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h ../../pci/if_de.c ../../pci/if_de.c: In function `tulip_addr_filter': ../../pci/if_de.c:3041: storage size of `step' isn't known ../../pci/if_de.c:3099: warning: implicit declaration of function `ETHER_FIRST_MULTI' ../../pci/if_de.c:3101: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type ../../pci/if_de.c:3101: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type ../../pci/if_de.c:3102: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type ../../pci/if_de.c:3109: warning: implicit declaration of function `ETHER_NEXT_MULTI' ../../pci/if_de.c:3150: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type ../../pci/if_de.c:3150: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type ../../pci/if_de.c:3151: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type ../../pci/if_de.c:3152: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type ../../pci/if_de.c:3153: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type ../../pci/if_de.c: In function `tulip_ifioctl': ../../pci/if_de.c:4704: warning: implicit declaration of function `ether_addmulti' ../../pci/if_de.c:4706: warning: implicit declaration of function `ether_delmulti' ../../pci/if_de.c: In function `tulip_pci_attach': ../../pci/if_de.c:5583: request for member `cfg1' in something not a structure or union ../../pci/if_de.c:5583: request for member `cfg1' in something not a structure or union *** Error code 1 Stop. ----------------------- I figure that I can't actually do the above, maybe due to include file conflicts. But, some authoritative answer would be nice. Thanks Viren -- Viren R. Shah, {viren @ rstcorp . com} "Hi, I'm a hero, but I can't tell you why. It's classified." -- Miles muses on one of the disadvantages of a double life (Lois McMaster Bujold, Cetaganda) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Apr 4 08:30:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04715 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 08:30:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04705 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 08:30:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA12755; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 17:29:03 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id SAA00475; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 18:29:41 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980404182941.54947@follo.net> Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 18:29:41 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: "Viren R. Shah" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Building 3.0 kernel on 2.2.6 system? References: <199804041547.KAA03150@rstcorp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199804041547.KAA03150@rstcorp.com>; from Viren R. Shah on Sat, Apr 04, 1998 at 10:47:04AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Apr 04, 1998 at 10:47:04AM -0500, Viren R. Shah wrote: > > I'm trying to build a 3.0 kernel on a system with the following > layout: > 1. System is running 2.2.6 > 2. 2.2.6 source is in /usr/src > 3. -current source is in /home/current/usr/{src,obj} > > I did a make buildworld in /home/current/usr/src. It completed without > errors. I'm now trying to build a -current kernel (GENERIC) using the > config generated by the -current buildworld. > > 1. Is this possible? It should be possible, but I've never tested it. > 2. If so, then what is causing the following errors: Are you building your kernel in /home/current/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC? If /../../../include does not exist, the kernel build will use /usr/include instead. This can generate failures. If you are building from the requisite location, something is seriously wrong. I just remembered: This 'something' is that there is no in-kernel indication of which kernel version you're building for, and the 'de' driver is externally maintained and depends on the version number of the system. A workaround is the following patch (or similar - this is Id dependend...): Index: if_de.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/pci/if_de.c,v retrieving revision 1.80 retrieving revision 1.81 diff -u -r1.80 -r1.81 --- if_de.c 1998/02/20 13:11:50 1.80 +++ if_de.c 1998/03/08 09:58:13 1.81 @@ -1,3 +1,5 @@ +#undef __FreeBSD__ +#define __FreeBSD__ 3 /* $NetBSD: if_de.c,v 1.56 1997/10/20 14:32:46 matt Exp $ */ /* $Id$ */ This does not fix the real problem (which is that the required meta-information is not available), but it makes your system build correctly (producing the exact correct results). Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Apr 4 16:14:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA27791 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 16:14:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27333 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 16:13:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA14107; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:26:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199804041426.PAA14107@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Malcolm Newton" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: modem settings using chat In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:51:29 EST." <000301bd59d2$e281bf00$070b9a8e@notbook.mbm.on.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:26:42 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I need to have a cron job ensure that the modem is set to s0=1 (Auto Answer) > for an uucp dialup connection. Once in a while the modem loses the setting > and > then (obviously won't answer) > I am trying > chat -f chat.script /dev/cuaa1 > with chat script set to > AT s0=1 > > and it doesn't seem to work > > any one got any ideas (preferably better ones that work! ) > > ta muchly > mn I'd try `chat -f chat.script &0 otherwise, it'll probably just hang trying to open cuaa1 for the second time.... -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Apr 4 16:14:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA27915 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 16:14:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27653 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 16:14:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA14118; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:29:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199804041429.PAA14118@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Christian Kuhtz cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PPP install broken in 2.2.6? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:16:29 CDT." <19980329101629.03184@delirium.eng.bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:29:12 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Ok, I am not only seeing this during the install, also later on.. the only > thing that actually does work is the old fashioned ppp0 via pppd. > > This is irritating. What happened? > > Chris > > On Mar 28, Christian Kuhtz wrote: > > > > Errr.. 2.2.5-RELEASE boot.flp worked flawlessly over here when trying to install > > via PPP.. this is what happens under 2.2.6-RELEASE: > > > > ppp ON schizophrenia> Packet mode. > > PPP ON schizophrenia> Error: SetIpDevice: ioctl(SIOCAIFADDR): Destination address required > > Error: IPcpLayerUp: unable to set ip address > > > > Anyone have similiar experiences or knows a workaround? > > -- > Christian Kuhtz (770) 522-4000 BellSouth.net > Sr. Network Architect > I speak only for myself, and my opinion belongs to me. Atlanta, GA, U.S. What's your destination address set to ? 0.0.0.0 by any chance ? Try changing it to (say) 10.0.0.1/0. -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Apr 4 20:50:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21609 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 20:50:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from frankenstein.bluetongue.com (frankenstein.bluetongue.com [203.31.198.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21575; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 20:50:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drew@bluetongue.com.au) Received: from bluetongue.com.au (jade.bluetongue.com [203.31.198.30]) by frankenstein.bluetongue.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28756; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:49:45 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <35270D2D.D0F362E4@bluetongue.com.au> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 14:48:46 +1000 From: Andrew Heath Organization: Blue Tongue Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Fieber CC: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Memory Leak??? Apache, CGI, can't spawn child process References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'd like to publicly thank John, he has hit the nail right on the head. I've no reconfigured the server, rebooted, and all seems to be running well. Thankyou to the others who also pointed out other potential problems with the system. Below I have included the important data from his script before and after the reconfiguration of /etc/login.conf Before: Limits: file size (512-blocks, -f) 131072 max user processes (-u) 32 After: Limits: file size (512-blocks, -f) 262144 max user processes (-u) 256 Hopefully, we will be able to start having less problems now. Cheers, Drew Blue Tongue Online Services - http://www.bluetongue.com.au/ Melbourne Internet Business Directory - http://www.melbourne.business.au.com/ John Fieber wrote: > On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, Andrew Heath wrote: > > > I appreciate any assistance here, as our server is now continually comung > > up with a CGI can't spawn child process error, and as we are running a > > reasonable heavily loaded server, this is a problem. > > > > FYI we are also running a reasonable loaded DNS server, and Hughes > > MiniSQL. The mimiSQL server is running as "nobody" > > One word: /etc/login.conf > > According to the information you supplied, you have gobs of free > resources, but /etc/login.conf sets limits on how much users can > use. Put the attached cgi script in your cgi-bin and call it. It > will report limits that the web server is running under. > > The limits specified under "daemon" in /etc/login.conf are in > effect when /etc/rc is run, which I presume is when you are > starting apache and friends. You probably need to boost the > number of processes that daemon can run. > > Resource limits are inherited and don't change unless explicitly > changed by the process. Init sets the limits according to the > daemon entry in /etc/login.conf when running /etc/rc. Thus, > httpd daemons started by boot by root running as nobody inherit > the limits for daemon. > > -john > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > #!/bin/sh > > # > # Print some information about the operating environment > # of the httpd daemon and the cgi scripts it runs. > # > > echo "Content-type: text/plain" > echo "" > > echo "I am:" > id > > echo "" > echo "Limits:" > ulimit -a > > echo "" > echo "Environment:" > env > > echo "" > echo "Uptime:" > uptime To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Apr 4 20:59:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23584 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 20:59:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from asteroid.svib.ru (root@asteroid.svib.ru [195.151.166.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA23578 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 20:59:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (shuttle.svib.ru [195.151.166.144]) by asteroid.svib.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA12082 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 08:59:07 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (minas-tirith.pol.ru [127.0.0.1]) by minas-tirith.pol.ru (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA19976 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 08:58:56 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from tarkhil@minas-tirith.pol.ru) Message-Id: <199804050458.IAA19976@minas-tirith.pol.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru Subject: Perl5 port and PII: am I crazy? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 08:58:53 +0400 From: Alex Povolotsky Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! I've tried recently to build perl5 (5.004.04 if that matters) on new PII box, and, during configure, sh ./makedepend caused sh ./makedepend to be run, and recursion proceeded until system runs out of processes. I've tried three different version of FreeBSD (from 2.2.5-STABLE to 3.0-980225-SNAP), and it runned nicely from the same disk on the box with P5. Am I crazy, or my hardware, or makefile? Generic kernel in all cases. Alex. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Apr 4 22:04:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA28844 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:04:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ophelia.uoregon.edu (sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu [128.223.194.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA28835 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:04:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (sharding@localhost) by ophelia.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA01151; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:04:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:04:06 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Harding Reply-To: Sean Harding To: wsanchez@apple.com cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD and Rhapsody (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm forwarding this to freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; those are good people to talk to. Sean ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 20:46:22 -0800 From: Wilfredo Sanchez To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD and Rhapsody Howdy- I'm having a hard time figuring out how one becomes a FreeBSD developer from your web site, so perhaps you guys can help me out. I work for Apple Computer, and as you may know, we're building this operating system with the code name Rhapsody. Rhapsody has a full BSD subsystem in it, and we'd like to get a relationship going with FreeBSD if the FreeBSD team is interested. Most of our BSD code comes from 4BSD Lite, which is a bit dated. Since last year, I've updated a lot of our user commands using NetBSD's sources. The decision to use NetBSD was pretty much arbitrary, although the fact that I can acces their code via CVS, and now can commit changes back in was a big influence. In any case, the BSD kernel guys at Apple usually use FreeBSD as a reference. This led to some small gotchas due to differences between NetBSD and FreeBSD, such as the fact that NetBSD lets you change mode bits on symlinks, which FreeBSD (I think) doesn't. So I had a little trouble with commands like cp, which tried to do this thing we don't support. I haven't gotten to the network and system commands and the libraries, where I think the biggest incompatibility problem lie, and the consensus is that I should look into using FreeBSD for those. There will be problems in any case, since we implement BSD over Mach, which makes commands like ps somewhat unique from other BSD's, but the goal is to minimize that. What I need to know is the degree that you would like to work together with Apple, if at all, in this regard. It's important that we be able to send our changes back upstream, since I believe that staying in sync with our source provider is more important than any competitive advantage that might buy us. UNIX is of little importance to Rhapsody from a market standpoint; there are plenty of good UNIX flavors that one can get for free; the value in Rhapsody lies elsewhere. But BSD *is* important for several reason, which I'm sure you appreciate. The key is we don't want to provide "a better UNIX", we just want to be compatible and play nice with other systems, and have all that functionality. To that end, we don't need to be unique, and cooperating with you guys would be much better. I tried a few times to get CVSup to work on Rhapsody, and I found it somewhat difficult, so I don't have that tool, although I could set up a FreeBSD box to do that. Currently I plan to use the Walnut Creek CDs, since that's more convenient. The question is how I would get changes back up to FreeBSD. CVS access would be ideal, and is our current arrangement with NetBSD. I understand that such access isn't easily granted, so I'm open to alternatives. I should mention that I'm really not all that interested in the merits of one BSD effort over the others. I'm a little surprised at the animosity between some developers toward the other groups, and don't really want to get involved in that debate, so don't tell me why the other guys stink, in case you are so inclined. I have no loyalties towards any one group. Ideally, we'd get the best of each, although I think we'll need a primary to keep things sane, and our kernel guys like FreeBSD. I believe that getting something set up that let us work together will be mutually beneficial. We can leverage the work you have done, and you can some paid developers to help with bugs. Thanks, -Fred --- Wilfredo Sanchez - wsanchez@apple.com - 408.974-5174 Apple Computer, Inc. - Rhapsody Core Operating Systems Group 2 Infinite Loop, Mail Stop 302-4K, Cupertino, CA 95014 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Apr 4 23:25:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA06829 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:25:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06789 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:25:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from greenpeace.grondar.za (iZlqWrwxuvr2II+R59g0EkAYXl4keRoM@greenpeace.grondar.za [196.7.18.132]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09824; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:25:17 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (sf95OVJwolit17kxVCSe9QsogkvauBR2@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by greenpeace.grondar.za (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11696; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 09:25:14 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199804050725.JAA11696@greenpeace.grondar.za> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: tarkhil@asteroid.svib.ru cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Perl5 port and PII: am I crazy? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 09:25:13 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alex Povolotsky wrote: > Am I crazy, or my hardware, or makefile? Reinstall you rorts collection some where and try again. Methinks your configuration or something is screwed. The P5 port works just fine for me. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message