From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 10 01:58:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03982 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 01:58:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [207.90.181.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA03975 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 01:58:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ulf@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA10516; Sun, 10 May 1998 01:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.Alameda.net(207.90.181.2) via SMTP by DNS.Lamb.net, id smtpd010514; Sun May 10 01:58:15 1998 Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.8.6/8.7.6) id BAA07239; Sun, 10 May 1998 01:58:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199805100858.BAA07239@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net> Subject: Re: I am ready to give: How do I tell the kernel I have devices ? In-Reply-To: from Julian Elischer at "May 9, 98 02:27:50 am" To: julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 01:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ulf@Alameda.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > what kind of device? > > try the SYSINIT macro you see in each driver, > combined with the config file.. SYSINIT seems to be what I am missing. I added the SYSINIT line, pointing to my driver init routine. Any other files I need to add things ? > > what do you mean by: > "tell the kernel I have a device"? Tell the kernel that my driver is responsible for /dev/myx* > > that it has a devsw entry? > that it should probe an address? > that the PCI code should know about it? I got all the PCI probe and attach routine, I think. > > > On Sat, 9 May 1998, Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > > > I have read through all kind of kernel source code, specific through > > SCSI drivers, wd.c and sd.c. I do not see it. Could someone point me > > at some document or write a little list of what steps are involved ? > > > > Ulf. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 > > Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > > > > Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 10 02:17:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05446 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 02:17:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from d183-205.uoregon.edu (d183-205.uoregon.edu [128.223.183.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA05439; Sun, 10 May 1998 02:17:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gurney_j@efn.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by d183-205.uoregon.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA08700; Sun, 10 May 1998 02:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980510021714.59821@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 02:17:14 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Luigi Rizzo , jwd@unx.sas.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: exporting an MFS partion? Anyone? References: <199805100314.FAA16052@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> <199805100622.BAA00403@dyson.iquest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199805100622.BAA00403@dyson.iquest.net>; from John S. Dyson on Sun, May 10, 1998 at 01:22:31AM -0500 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John S. Dyson scribbled this message on May 10: > Luigi Rizzo said: > > > > My goal is an nfs mountable MFS. And, I am willing to work on it. > > > > > > > Add "options EXPORTMFS" to your config file. Works well for me. > > > > is this new in 3.0 or it is also present in 2.2.X ? > > And in what files in the source tree should i look for it to see what > > it actually does ? > > > I found it by looking at the MFS code, trying to figure out what > was needed to support it (I looked into it about 6mos ago or so.) > Found out that it already existed. This was in mfs_vfsops.c. ok, another kernel option that we need to document in LINT... so far I have: PCI_QUIET NO_SCSI_SENSE EXPORTMFS any other option that someone have in the kernel source tree that isn't documented that I should add to LINT/conf/options? -- John-Mark Gurney Modem Rev/FAX: +1 541 346 9237 Cu Networking P.O. Box 5693, 97405 Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD Don't trust anyone you don't have the source for To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 10 03:24:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA09777 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 03:24:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA09770 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 03:24:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20765; Sun, 10 May 1998 10:36:37 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199805100936.KAA20765@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "John W. DeBoskey" cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Unexpected behaviour from pdksh. Comments? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 09 May 1998 21:52:21 EDT." <199805100152.AA24180@mozart> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:36:37 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The *only* shell that executes the last bit of a pipe inline is the original ksh. Pdksh, zsh, sh, ash, bash and probably just about all other shells create a subshell. This is a pain - something | read this that theother must be changed to read this that theother < Hi, > > The following is on 3.0-CURRENT using pdksh. > > Given the following sample Korn Shell script: > > export FOO=foo > echo $FOO > > echo bar | while read var; do > export FOO=$var > echo $FOO > done > > echo $FOO > > The output is: > foo > bar > foo > > where I was expecting: > foo > bar > bar > > > > > If I put the value 'bar' in a file and change the while > loop to: > > echo bar > varfile > while read var; do > export FOO=$var > echo $FOO > done < varfile > > I get the expected reult with the above. > > It seems that the pipe '|' is causing the 'while read var' to > execute in a subshell. Does anyone know of a way to make this > work the way I am expecting it to? fyi: this seems to work ok > under hpux 9.05 & 10.20 and SunOS 5.6... > > Thanks, > John > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 10 11:02:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15696 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 11:02:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15679; Sun, 10 May 1998 11:02:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02418; Sun, 10 May 1998 13:02:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199805101802.NAA02418@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: exporting an MFS partion? Anyone? In-Reply-To: <19980510021714.59821@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> from John-Mark Gurney at "May 10, 98 02:17:14 am" To: gurney_j@resnet.uoregon.edu Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:02:19 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, jwd@unx.sas.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > John S. Dyson scribbled this message on May 10: > > Luigi Rizzo said: > > > > > My goal is an nfs mountable MFS. And, I am willing to work on it. > > > > > > > > > Add "options EXPORTMFS" to your config file. Works well for me. > > > > > > is this new in 3.0 or it is also present in 2.2.X ? > > > And in what files in the source tree should i look for it to see what > > > it actually does ? > > > > > I found it by looking at the MFS code, trying to figure out what > > was needed to support it (I looked into it about 6mos ago or so.) > > Found out that it already existed. This was in mfs_vfsops.c. > > ok, another kernel option that we need to document in LINT... so far > I have: > PCI_QUIET > NO_SCSI_SENSE > EXPORTMFS > LINUX MAX_PERF PQ_LARGECACHE GUS_DMA2 GUS_DMA GUS_IRQ (Those are the ones that I run in to often.) John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 10 14:25:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13590 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 14:25:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fdy2.demon.co.uk (fdy2.demon.co.uk [194.222.102.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13578 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 14:24:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rjs@fdy2.demon.co.uk) Received: (from rjs@localhost) by fdy2.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01091; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:19:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rjs) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:19:25 +0100 (BST) From: Robert Swindells Message-Id: <199805102119.WAA01091@fdy2.demon.co.uk> To: danj@3skel.com CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Dan Janowski on Tue, 5 May 1998 22:56:42 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >On a related by different note, just today I've been trying >to get a Compaq with the AMD SCSI/Lance chip working. I've >got 2.2.6, the SCSI is fine, the PCI lance lnc1 is probing ok. >When I ifconfig it I get the 'Initialisation failed' message. >I looked in the archives, the latest comments coming from jkh, >so I didn't do the thing setting the port addrs and irqs of the >ISA driver. The if_lnc driver doesn't contain any specific probing code for anything later than an Am79C970 - the PCnet-PCI I chip, and only seems to initialize a PCnet-PCI II because of a typo in the headers. The PCI probe is done on the PCI ID which is the same across all the AMD devices so this succeeds. My guess is that Compaq have set the thing up with some bus configuration settings that are confusing the initialization code. What is the model number on the AMD chip ? I am doing some changes to the lnc driver for stable at the moment as I am using FreeBSD to debug a laptop with an integrated Am79C970A that we are building at work. Robert Swindells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 10 17:07:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01513 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:07:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (daemon@smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01453; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:06:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00372; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:06:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd000351; Sun May 10 17:06:35 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29608; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:06:35 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805110006.RAA29608@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: exporting an MFS partion? Anyone? To: gurney_j@resnet.uoregon.edu Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 00:06:35 +0000 (GMT) Cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, jwd@unx.sas.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980510021714.59821@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> from "John-Mark Gurney" at May 10, 98 02:17:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > ok, another kernel option that we need to document in LINT... so far > I have: > PCI_QUIET > NO_SCSI_SENSE > EXPORTMFS This last should be non-optional. The real problem with this specific case is that the NFS export handling code is implemented per FS. This has to do with the split root/non-root mount model, if you trace it down. What is needed is: o short term make the "EXPORTMFS" non-optional o long term Use the same export (and mount) code in each FS. Specifically, the mount code needs to lose all knowledge of whether or not the mount is a root or non-root mount. A VFS_MOUNT should result in a populated mount structure *without* any "covered vnode" mapping whatsoever. The vnode "covering" (ie: the act of mounting an FS onto a mount point) should be in common code, above the VFS layer, which deals with vnode pointer manipulations. Note: the mount point traversal code is already in the upper level code in namei(). The covering, at the time a covering occurs, is then responsible for doing the NFS export. That is, it is in the upper level mapping code. The last remaining piece is a VFS_SETMP() VFS OP to set the "last mounted on" field in the superblock of FS's that support the concept. This is also called from the covering code. Common code means that everything works or nothing works; once one thing works, then everything works, and everything is maintained in sync. for the rest of time (fewer per-FS issues, fewer places for bugs to hide). There should probably be a seperation of the idea of a remount into a seperate unmount/mount, and put that at the upper level, as well. This would let soft updates become a mount option that can be specified with a "mount -u", for example. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 10 17:43:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA06402 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:43:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06381 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:43:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA07724; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:13:28 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980511101327.F7546@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:13:27 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Strange VM behaviour Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm currently monitoring performance on a system running 2.2.5-RELEASE, and have found a strange behaviour in the following vmstat output. This particular machine has 128 MB of memory, which seems to be more than ample. On the fifth line of the output, however, the number of pages scanned, normally 0 and never > 10, hits 3005. This is accompanied by an increase of 5700 pages of free memory. What could have caused this? Greg > procs memory page disks faults cpu > r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr s0 s1 in sy cs us sy id > 1 3 0 66248 16752 116 0 0 0 103 6 6 0 298 605 82 12 13 75 > 0 4 0 66300 16748 11 0 0 0 0 0 45 0 354 701 126 4 15 81 > 0 3 0 65768 16760 36 0 0 0 21 0 3 0 297 377 72 4 12 84 > 0 3 0 64636 16764 125 0 0 0 97 0 0 0 298 652 124 19 15 67 > 0 3 0 63884 39556 726 2 0 0 712 3005 1 0 298 516 133 18 23 59 > 0 3 0 64472 39560 3 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 392 306 57 3 10 86 > 0 3 0 64472 39536 5 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 270 131 32 1 8 91 > 0 3 0 64264 39772 101 1 0 0 107 0 10 0 292 404 51 4 13 83 > 0 3 0 65396 39772 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 276 173 25 3 10 88 > 0 3 0 66656 39732 20 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 272 302 45 3 11 86 -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 10 17:58:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08330 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:58:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lamb.sas.com (root@lamb.sas.com [192.35.83.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08307 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:58:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwd@unx.sas.com) Received: from mozart (mozart.unx.sas.com [192.58.184.8]) by lamb.sas.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA29867 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA09375; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:58:08 -0400 From: "John W. DeBoskey" Message-Id: <199805110058.AA09375@mozart> Subject: Re: Unexpected behaviour from pdksh. Comments? To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:58:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I seem to be unable to send mail to brian@Awfulhak.org... I'm not sure why. ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to awfulhak.org.: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... we do not relay jwd@unx.sas.com 550 ... User unknown Anyways... While I understand the following coding style, it isn't a very pretty sight when trying to convert the following: cmdx | cmdy | while read line1; do process line1 echo new_info | while read line2; do process line2 done done While I am not condoning the above (the processing of line1 could be a function of some sort), it is still much, much easier to read than the converted format noted below by Brian. So, what would it take to add execution of the last pipe element in the current shell? Thanks, John brian@Awfulhak.org (Brian Somers) says: > The *only* shell that executes the last bit of a pipe inline is the > original ksh. Pdksh, zsh, sh, ash, bash and probably just about all > other shells create a subshell. > > This is a pain - > > something | read this that theother > > must be changed to > > read this that theother < `something` > eof > > It's too late to change the other shells now though. >> Given the following sample Korn Shell script: >> >> export FOO=foo >> echo $FOO >> >> echo bar | while read var; do >> export FOO=$var >> echo $FOO >> done >> echo $FOO >> >> The output is: >> foo >> bar >> foo >> >> where I was expecting: >> foo >> bar >> bar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 10 18:09:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09754 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:09:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lily.ezo.net (root@lily.ezo.net [206.102.130.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09688 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:09:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jflowers@ezo.net) Received: from violet.eznets.canton.oh.us (MtChiquita.DialUps.NCI2000.NET [208.135.126.161]) by lily.ezo.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA21941; Sun, 10 May 1998 21:09:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jim Flowers" To: "Robert Swindells" Cc: Subject: Re: Call for testers for ThunderLAN ethernet driver Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:09:36 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd7c79$77383020$8a8266ce@violet.eznets.canton.oh.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FWIW the built-in Am79C971 on my notebook computer with the lnc driver in 2.2.6 and 3.0 will not initialize as the read_csr() call to CSR0 never returns with IDON set. It can be forced by substituting a direct call to inw(iobase + 10) ala the lance.c driver from linux which then leads to a "Device timeout -- Resetting" error from lnc_watchdog when using ifconfig. Walking the registers shows initialization has taken place with realistic values (don't know how to check physical memory mapping values yet) but the ring length settings are confusing - CSR76 @ 0xfff8 and CSR78 @ 0x48 although both are set in the init_block at 2^3. This computer works fine with drivers for MS-DOS, Win95 and Linux (lance.c) so it appears that the chip implementation is probably correct per the design sheets. Jim Flowers Your message--------------------------------------- >>got 2.2.6, the SCSI is fine, the PCI lance lnc1 is probing ok. >>When I ifconfig it I get the 'Initialisation failed' message. >The if_lnc driver doesn't contain any specific probing code for >anything later than an Am79C970 - the PCnet-PCI I chip, and only seems >to initialize a PCnet-PCI II because of a typo in the headers. > >The PCI probe is done on the PCI ID which is the same across all the >AMD devices so this succeeds. My guess is that Compaq have set the >thing up with some bus configuration settings that are confusing the >initialization code. What is the model number on the AMD chip ? > >I am doing some changes to the lnc driver for stable at the moment as >I am using FreeBSD to debug a laptop with an integrated Am79C970A that >we are building at work. > >Robert Swindells > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 10 18:33:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12695 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:33:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12683 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:33:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00587; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805110028.RAA00587@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Darren Reed cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), tlambert@primenet.com, fygrave@freenet.bishkek.su, brian@deity.loa.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bpf In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 10 May 1998 16:34:00 +1000." <199805100635.XAA22066@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:28:22 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In some mail from Mike Smith, sie said: > > > > Incidentally, if someone would just fix libpcap so that it opens the bpf > > device read-write (rather than readonly), I'd be happy. Or explain why > > it's not, when it's supposed to be? > > hmmm, libpcap - pcap = Packet CAPture. Since when do you write to a file > to capture data from it ? Seems justifiably read-only to me. That's as may be, however the existence of applications which obtain the BPF file descriptor from libpcap and attempt to write to it tend to indicate that perhaps other platforms don't have such a narrow interpretation of the idea. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 10 18:43:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14035 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:43:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14020 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:43:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA07985; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:13:19 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980511111319.M7546@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:13:19 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "John W. DeBoskey" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Unexpected behaviour from pdksh. Comments? References: <199805110058.AA09375@mozart> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199805110058.AA09375@mozart>; from John W. DeBoskey on Sun, May 10, 1998 at 08:58:08PM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 10 May 1998 at 20:58:08 -0400, John W. DeBoskey wrote: > Hello, > > I seem to be unable to send mail to brian@Awfulhak.org... I'm not > sure why. > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... while talking to awfulhak.org.: >>>> RCPT To: > <<< 550 ... we do not relay jwd@unx.sas.com > 550 ... User unknown You are trying to send mail via a system that doesn't want to do it for you. You've left out the name of the system in the message above, but I'd recommend that you stop trying to use it. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 10 19:10:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA18234 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 19:10:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lamb.sas.com (root@lamb.sas.com [192.35.83.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA18195 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 19:10:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwd@unx.sas.com) Received: from mozart (mozart.unx.sas.com [192.58.184.8]) by lamb.sas.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA05920; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA13144; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:10:03 -0400 From: "John W. DeBoskey" Message-Id: <199805110210.AA13144@mozart> Subject: Re: Awfulhak.com (was pdksh) To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980511111319.M7546@freebie.lemis.com> from "Greg Lehey" at May 11, 98 11:13:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm not so sure about what you say below... The machine on our campus which is directly connected to the outside world (we live behind a firewall), appears to have been talking directly to the Awfulhak.org domain directly. I'm on machine mozart, which talks to our external machine lamb, which talked to Awfulhak.com. The transcript follows: I changed From to Xrom in the first line. Xrom MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 10 09:22 EDT 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lamb.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA11413; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:22:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost) by lamb.sas.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with internal id JAA27460; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:22:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-Id: <199805101322.JAA27460@lamb.sas.com> To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="JAA27460.894806548/lamb.sas.com" Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --JAA27460.894806548/lamb.sas.com The original message was received at Sun, 10 May 1998 09:22:16 -0400 (EDT) from mozart.unx.sas.com [192.58.184.8] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to awfulhak.org.: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... we do not relay jwd@unx.sas.com 550 ... User unknown --JAA27460.894806548/lamb.sas.com Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; lamb.sas.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; mozart.unx.sas.com Arrival-Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Final-Recipient: RFC822; brian@Awfulhak.org Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; awfulhak.org Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 ... we do not relay jwd@unx.sas.c om Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:22:28 -0400 (EDT) > > On Sun, 10 May 1998 at 20:58:08 -0400, John W. DeBoskey wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I seem to be unable to send mail to brian@Awfulhak.org... I'm not > > sure why. > > > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > > ... while talking to awfulhak.org.: > >>>> RCPT To: > > <<< 550 ... we do not relay jwd@unx.sas.com > > 550 ... User unknown > > You are trying to send mail via a system that doesn't want to do it > for you. You've left out the name of the system in the message above, > but I'd recommend that you stop trying to use it. > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers > finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 10 19:33:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20774 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 19:33:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20762 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 19:33:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA10628; Sun, 10 May 1998 21:32:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199805110232.VAA10628@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Strange VM behaviour In-Reply-To: <19980511101327.F7546@freebie.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "May 11, 98 10:13:27 am" To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 21:32:48 -0500 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey said: > I'm currently monitoring performance on a system running > 2.2.5-RELEASE, and have found a strange behaviour in the following > vmstat output. This particular machine has 128 MB of memory, which > seems to be more than ample. On the fifth line of the output, > however, the number of pages scanned, normally 0 and never > 10, hits > 3005. This is accompanied by an increase of 5700 pages of free > memory. What could have caused this? > It is probably detecting that the number of cache or inactive pages is too low. Note that cache pages are usually measured as part of the free page pool, and will fault back to active when needed. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 10 19:40:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA21974 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 19:40:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA21967 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 19:40:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA08258; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:10:02 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980511121002.S7546@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:10:02 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "John W. DeBoskey" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Awfulhak.com (was pdksh) References: <19980511111319.M7546@freebie.lemis.com> <199805110210.AA13144@mozart> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199805110210.AA13144@mozart>; from John W. DeBoskey on Sun, May 10, 1998 at 10:10:03PM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 10 May 1998 at 22:10:03 -0400, John W. DeBoskey wrote: >> On Sun, 10 May 1998 at 20:58:08 -0400, John W. DeBoskey wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I seem to be unable to send mail to brian@Awfulhak.org... I'm not >>> sure why. >> (snip) >> You are trying to send mail via a system that doesn't want to do it >> for you. You've left out the name of the system in the message above, >> but I'd recommend that you stop trying to use it. > > I'm not so sure about what you say below... (I've moved it above, where it belongs). > The machine on our campus which is directly connected to the outside > world (we live behind a firewall), appears to have been talking > directly to the Awfulhak.org domain directly. I'm on machine mozart, > which talks to our external machine lamb, which talked to > Awfulhak.com. > > The transcript follows: I changed From to Xrom in the first line. You don't need to do that. The mailer will automatically quote it. > Xrom MAILER-DAEMON Sun May 10 09:22 EDT 1998 > Return-Path: > Received: from lamb.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) > id AA11413; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:22:29 -0400 > Received: from localhost (localhost) > by lamb.sas.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with internal id JAA27460; > Sun, 10 May 1998 09:22:28 -0400 (EDT) > Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:22:28 -0400 (EDT) > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem > Subject: Returned mail: User unknown > Message-Id: <199805101322.JAA27460@lamb.sas.com> > To: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; > boundary="JAA27460.894806548/lamb.sas.com" > Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) > > This is a MIME-encapsulated message > > --JAA27460.894806548/lamb.sas.com > > The original message was received at Sun, 10 May 1998 09:22:16 -0400 (EDT) > from mozart.unx.sas.com [192.58.184.8] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... while talking to awfulhak.org.: >>>> RCPT To: > <<< 550 ... we do not relay jwd@unx.sas.com > 550 ... User unknown Hmm, yes, now that I see the transcript, you're right. I've just tried it myself, and had the same results. In any case, I'm not sure why you are contacting this system at all. According to DNS, you should be connecting with his MX systems, which are relay.iuinc.com and mail.iuinc.com. They accept mail to anybody, including you (see the other message I just sent out). It would appear that the mailer you are using on mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) is not working correctly. What is this? If it's an old sendmail, you should definitely upgrade it: it must be a real security risk. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 10 19:44:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA22549 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 19:44:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA22458 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 19:43:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03046; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805110140.SAA03046@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: "John W. DeBoskey" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Unexpected behaviour from pdksh. Comments? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 11 May 1998 11:13:19 +0930." <19980511111319.M7546@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:40:13 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sun, 10 May 1998 at 20:58:08 -0400, John W. DeBoskey wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I seem to be unable to send mail to brian@Awfulhak.org... I'm not > > sure why. > > > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > > ... while talking to awfulhak.org.: > >>>> RCPT To: > > <<< 550 ... we do not relay jwd@unx.sas.com > > 550 ... User unknown > > You are trying to send mail via a system that doesn't want to do it > for you. You've left out the name of the system in the message above, > but I'd recommend that you stop trying to use it. Actually, no. This is attepting to deliver to the destination system, and if you look at the transcript, it tells you who the system is. The rejection comes from the *target* system. This is a problem with the current anti-relaying sendmail rules - I am having inordinate difficulty delivering mail from my dialup here in japan due to this. Eg. antipodes:~>telnet awfulhak.org smtp Trying 195.82.107.8... Connected to awfulhak.org. Escape character is '^]'. 220 tele1.inweb.co.uk ESMTP Sendmail 8.8.8/8.8.5; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:41:41 GMT EHLO antipodes.cdrom.com 250-tele1.inweb.co.uk Hello [210.145.37.178], pleased to meet you 250-EXPN 250-VERB 250-8BITMIME 250-SIZE 10000000 250-DSN 250-ONEX 250-ETRN 250-XUSR 250 HELP MAIL from: msmith@freebsd.org 250 msmith@freebsd.org... Sender ok RCPT to: brian@awfulhak.org 550 brian@awfulhak.org... we do not relay msmith@freebsd.org RCPT to: 550 ... we do not relay msmith@freebsd.org -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 10 21:00:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03403 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 21:00:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03394 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 21:00:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28416 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 04:23:36 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199805110323.EAA28416@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SCM_RIGHTS & session ids Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 04:23:36 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've bumped into a bit of a problem implementing multilink ppp. Maybe someone can suggest a way out of my dilemma.... I have two processes, each of which has its own session id and is the only process in the sessions only process group. I've closed STDOUT and STDERR, and STDIN_FILENO is the only thing keeping the controlling terminal attached. Both the process group and the session id of each process is owned by its respective terminal. .-------------. .-------------. | Session 123 | | Session 456 | `-------------' `-------------' | | .------------. .------------. | /dev/cuaa0 | | /dev/cuaa1 | `------------' `------------' | | .-------------. .-------------. | Process 123 | | Process 456 | `-------------' `-------------' I wish to pass descriptor 0 from p123 to p456 using SCM_RIGHTS over a unix domain socket, and then for p123 to exit. When I do this, as soon as p456 selects on the passed descriptor (say descriptor 10), and *after* p123 has exited, I get an exception from select() (exception fdset) and the descriptor is useless. If I have p123 close() STDIN_FILENO after the transfer, then execl("/bin/sleep", "sleep", 100", NULL) p456 can read descriptor 10 for 100 seconds - once (I assume) the process group of /dev/cuaa0 is gone, all descriptors are invalidated. What I've tried (nothing's helped): o p123 does an fd = open(ttyname(STDIN_FILENO), O_RDWR), then close(STDIN_FILENO) and pass fd to p456. o p123 calls tcsetpgrp(STDIN_FILENO, 456) - doesn't work 'cos p456 isn't part of p123s session. This all works when there are no controlling terminals involved (ppp over tcp). I guess that the problem is that a process group has only one session and a session has only one controlling terminal... Is the only way to simply exec() a keepalive process() (yeuch) ? TIA. -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun May 10 23:51:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21945 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:51:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (ns.brainstorm.fr [193.56.58.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21923 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:51:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: from keltia.freenix.fr (keltia.glou.eu.org [193.56.58.65]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.8.8/8.8.8/mexico-1.3/nospam) with ESMTP id IAA20270 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:51:36 +0200 (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.9.0.Beta4/keltia-2.14/nospam) id IAA07526 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:51:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Message-ID: <19980511085107.A7491@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:51:07 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Unexpected behaviour from pdksh. Comments? Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980511111319.M7546@freebie.lemis.com> <199805110140.SAA03046@antipodes.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.92.3i In-Reply-To: <199805110140.SAA03046@antipodes.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Sun, May 10, 1998 at 06:40:13PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT ctm#4274 AMD-K6 MMX @ 225 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Mike Smith: > The rejection comes from the *target* system. This is a problem with > the current anti-relaying sendmail rules - I am having inordinate > difficulty delivering mail from my dialup here in japan due to this. The rules in sendmail 8.9 are much better in that respect. You can authorize relaying based on MX. As long as one machine is a MX for foo.com, it will relay attempt to reach foo.com. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 3.0-CURRENT #8: Tue Apr 21 02:45:53 CEST 1998 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 00:16:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24561 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 00:16:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [194.93.177.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24527 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 00:15:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05758; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:14:46 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Message-ID: <19980511101446.A5530@ucb.crimea.ua> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:14:46 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: New Cyclom-Y Driver for 2.2.[56] from Cyclades Corp. Mail-Followup-To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! Two days ago, on May 9, 1998, Cyclades Corp. released the modified version of Cyclom-Y driver: * FreeBSD Cyclom-Y Driver (for FreeBSD 2.2.5 or later) * * The Cyclom-Y driver included in the FreeBSD distribution does * not support the latest Cyclom-Y gear (8Yo rev. 6.02 and SM8/SM16 II). * In order to support these devices in your system, you must install * this driver revision. The driver is available from ftp://ftp.cyclades.com/pub/cyclades/cyclom-y/freebsd/2.2.5/cyy225.tar.gz The 2.2.6's version is just symlinked to the above. Are there any work in progress to sync the driver in RELENG_2_2 with vendor version? Currently I have and use the Cyclom-8Ye (ISA) card. At the end of this week I'll have the Cyclom-8YeP (PCI) card revision 6.02. -- Ruslan Ermilov System Administrator ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank +380-652-247647 Simferopol, Crimea 2426679 ICQ Network, UIN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 01:03:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00611 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 01:03:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bamboo.verinet.com (root@bamboo.verinet.com [204.144.246.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA00589 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 01:03:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from allenc@verinet.com) Received: from const. (willow25.verinet.com [199.45.181.57]) by bamboo.verinet.com (8.8.8/8.7.1) with ESMTP id CAA12793; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:03:26 -0600 Received: (from allenc@localhost) by const. (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA13278; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:03:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from allenc) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 02:03:54 -0600 (MDT) From: allen campbell Message-Id: <199805110803.CAA13278@const.> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Bounced mail (was Unexpected behaviour from pdksh.) Cc: mike@smith.net.au In-Reply-To: <199805110651.XAA21952@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > <<< 550 ... we do not relay jwd@unx.sas.com > > > 550 ... User unknown > > > > You are trying to send mail via a system that doesn't want to do it > > for you. You've left out the name of the system in the message above, > > but I'd recommend that you stop trying to use it. > > Actually, no. This is attepting to deliver to the destination system, > and if you look at the transcript, it tells you who the system is. > > The rejection comes from the *target* system. This is a problem with > the current anti-relaying sendmail rules - I am having inordinate > difficulty delivering mail from my dialup here in japan due to this. > I experienced similar problems using sendmail via a dialup connection, so I defined SMART_HOST in sendmail.mc to cause all non-local mail to relay through my ISP mail host. I am no mail expert, but I reasoned that the target mail host is doing a reverse name lookup to verify the sender, and when this check fails the mail is bounced. With the mail relaying through my ISP mail host, the remote sendmail is happy. BTW, I have never had mail bounce from the mail host(s) at freebsd.org due to this. However, nearly everything sent elsewhere bounces when not relayed through my ISP mail host. Is freebsd.org's leniency due to the number of messages sent from hosts like root@myname.my.domain that would bounce otherwise? -- Allen Campbell allenc@verinet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 01:49:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA06377 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 01:49:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA06372 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 01:49:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA04933; Mon, 11 May 1998 01:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805110847.BAA04933@implode.root.com> To: Ruslan Ermilov cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New Cyclom-Y Driver for 2.2.[56] from Cyclades Corp. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 11 May 1998 10:14:46 +0300." <19980511101446.A5530@ucb.crimea.ua> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 01:47:31 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Are there any work in progress to sync the driver in RELENG_2_2 with >vendor version? It's on my list of things to do. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 02:31:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA11346 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:31:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from schubert.Promo.DE (schubert.Promo.DE [194.45.188.65] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA11325; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:31:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stefan@promo.de) Received: from d254.promo.de (d254.Promo.DE [194.45.188.254]) by schubert.Promo.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA17264; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:28:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:30:08 +0200 From: "Stefan Bethke" To: "Stefan Esser" cc: "FreeBSD Hackers" Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? Message-ID: <116980.3103875008@d254.promo.de> In-Reply-To: <19980509152137.30068@mi.uni-koeln.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry Demo (MacOS) [1.4.0a4, s/n Evaluation] X-Licensed-To: Unlicensed - for evaluation only MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --On Sam, 9. Mai 1998 15:21 Uhr +0200 "Stefan Esser" wrote: > On 1998-05-06 11:13 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: >> --On Die, 5. Mai 1998 23:47 Uhr +0200 "Stefan Esser" wrote: >> > On 1998-05-05 11:37 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: >> >> Btw., you might want to adjust the comments in sys/i386/isa/pcibus.c, >> they >> >> might prove to be somewhat misleading. > Well, the comment is a little misleading, but not wrong, > nonetheless ... :) I don't get it. Before I beat this to death: what affordable book (besides the standards) would you recommend on PCI configuration and the PC-specific BIOS cruft? Thanks, Stefan -- Stefan Bethke Promo Datentechnik | Tel. +49-40-851744-18 + Systemberatung GmbH | Fax. +49-40-851744-44 Eduardstrasse 46-48 | e-mail: stefan@Promo.DE D-20257 Hamburg | http://www.Promo.DE/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 04:04:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA20478 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 04:04:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA20450 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 04:04:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id NAA10729 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 11 May 1998 13:00:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25905; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:50:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980511125056.A3139@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:50:56 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: -current kernel on top of a -STABLE installation ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi ! I'm getting into the demand to have a -STABLE system at home. Does somebody has made experiences if it would be possible, to run a -current kernel on top of stable installation ? I assume, that everything libkvm related breaks ... BTW, how is it possible, that the Linux folks seem to be able to switch kernels like hell ? Do they have the same problems or do they have something from which we could learn ? Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas What gives you 90% more speed, for example, in kernel compilation ? http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~fsmp/SMP/akgraph-a/graph1.html "NT = Not Today" (Maggie Biggs) ``powered by FreeBSD SMP'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 04:39:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA25671 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 04:39:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA25663; Mon, 11 May 1998 04:39:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA17553; Mon, 11 May 1998 12:07:08 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805111007.MAA17553@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: dummynet is working (more or less) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 12:07:08 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The updated code for dummynet is available at http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ip_dummynet/ i have it mostly working here on 2.2.6 -- differences with -current should be not significant. In order to make it work you need IPFW and IPDIVERT options in your kernel. There is one problem with the code, which I i am not sure how to fix now: in the call to ip_output, the caller passes a few parameters, including a pointer to a "struct route" . The pointer is saved together with the mbuf containing the packet, and used some time later when the packet is extracted from the queue/delay line and passed to the interface. By that time, the original data structure might have been deallocated :( resulting in a panic or other weird behaviours. I am not sure if the correct way to keep this info alive is to increase reference count to this structure (to be cleared at a later time, but the exact time might be tricky to find out, since i don't really want to modify all low level drivers) or what else. Suggestions welcome. cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 05:03:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA28407 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 05:03:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [209.48.124.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA28399 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 05:03:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@tyger.inna.net) Received: (from tom@localhost) by tyger.inna.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11265; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980511080303.04083@tyger.inna.net> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:03:03 -0400 From: GothGeek Sysadmin To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current kernel on top of a -STABLE installation ? Reply-To: tom@inna.net References: <19980511125056.A3139@klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980511125056.A3139@klemm.gtn.com>; from Andreas Klemm on Mon, May 11, 1998 at 12:50:56PM +0200 Organization: TBI, Ltd X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 11, 1998 at 12:50:56PM +0200, Andreas Klemm wrote: > BTW, how is it possible, that the Linux folks seem to be able to switch > kernels like hell ? Practice. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Tom Arnold - the sunrise in the east every morning in my dreams, i - - SysAdmin - turn the music on and start to dance with all my friends- - TBI, Ltd - the sun shines on my way every night and every day and - -------------- takes the sorrows far away, so far away. -- X-Perience - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 05:47:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03458 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 05:47:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA03437 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 05:47:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbabkin@dcn.att.com) From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Mon May 11 07:47 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id HAA20991 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 07:47:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:47:21 -0400 Message-ID: To: fiber@phy.iitkgp.ernet.in Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: how safe is FreeBSD 2.2.5 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:47:20 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > ---------- > From: Sanjit Roy[SMTP:fiber@phy.iitkgp.ernet.in] > > I need some advise regarding the security level in FreeBSD. Lately, a > lot of students in my university campus have been into hacking > activity. > I have a Linux (kernel 1.2.8) system on one of my mail gateways and > it's > a piece of cake becoming 'root' on that machine. I immediately need to > upgrade that to either REDHAT Linux 5.0 or FreeBSD 2.2.5. I have both > the flavours of unix available with me. > > What I want to know is : > > 1. which of the two is more secure? > I believe, FreeBSD > 2. Is shadow util really effective in Linux. Don't know if there's one > in FreeBSD? > Yes, it is effective if you enable it. FreeBSD has master.passwd which is functionally the same (and there are reasons why it's better for supporting many user account). > 3. what do i have to do/install to make my system secure i.e, what are > the available patches and where do i get them? > For Linux you will need at least to walk through inetd.conf and disable lots of never-used services that make system more vulnerable and are by some reason enabled by default in Linux. -Serge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 05:52:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04369 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 05:52:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA04361 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 05:52:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbabkin@dcn.att.com) From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Mon May 11 07:53 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id HAA23511 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 07:52:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 11 May 1998 08:52:43 -0400 Message-ID: To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, onur@dpc107.dpc.kfupm.edu.sa Subject: RE: How to get major device numbers ??? Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 08:52:41 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > ---------- > From: TOKER ONUR[SMTP:onur@dpc107.dpc.kfupm.edu.sa] > > If I know the name of the device (e.g. ed0), how can I get its > major device number. Please don't write me to look at /dev directory > You can't. The network card drivers have no major numbers because they are not character nor block drivers. -Serge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 07:02:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA13415 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 07:02:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA13408 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 07:02:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbabkin@dcn.att.com) From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Mon May 11 09:02 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id JAA02083 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 09:02:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:02:13 -0400 Message-ID: To: mike@smith.net.au, nate@mt.sri.com Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, archie@whistle.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: ISA-PnP w\o BIOS support? Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:02:10 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > ---------- > From: Nate Williams[SMTP:nate@mt.sri.com] > > > Ah, so "easier" means "easier for me". I think you'll find that > most > > people consider an interactive configuration process a lot "easier" > > than having to install and build the kernel sources. > > Actually no. Most people are annoyed at the Linux 'interactive' > process > once they use the FreeBSD process. > I would say that having configuration files is more convenient if you have experience with them, or to modify them by scripts. The menus are more convenient for peoples new to the BSD environment. Personally I hate the menu-based configuration in Linux. But I think that the wrong thing about it is not the idea but the implementation. It is just a very bad designed user interface with lots of short menus nested to crazy levels. -Serge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 07:39:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17707 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 07:39:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA17698 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 07:39:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20767; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:36:53 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199805111436.PAA20767@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: "John W. DeBoskey" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Awfulhak.com (was pdksh) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 11 May 1998 12:10:02 +0930." <19980511121002.S7546@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:36:52 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > ... while talking to awfulhak.org.: > >>>> RCPT To: > > <<< 550 ... we do not relay jwd@unx.sas.com > > 550 ... User unknown > > Hmm, yes, now that I see the transcript, you're right. I've just > tried it myself, and had the same results. In any case, I'm not sure > why you are contacting this system at all. According to DNS, you > should be connecting with his MX systems, which are relay.iuinc.com > and mail.iuinc.com. They accept mail to anybody, including you (see > the other message I just sent out). It would appear that the mailer > you are using on mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) is not working > correctly. What is this? If it's an old sendmail, you should > definitely upgrade it: it must be a real security risk. Well spotted Greg ;-) As it happens, I have MX records pointing at relay.iuinc.com. The ``awfulhak.org'' ``A'' record is the same as the ``www.awfulhak.org'' ``A'' record - and that's a machine that tells the connecting http client that I've moved to www.awfulhak.demon.co.uk. It does this for loads of other domains too. As a result, sending to the ``A'' record will cause a bounce ! > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers > finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 07:40:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17963 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 07:40:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA17946 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 07:40:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA20776; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:38:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199805111438.PAA20776@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Mike Smith cc: Greg Lehey , "John W. DeBoskey" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Unexpected behaviour from pdksh. Comments? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 10 May 1998 18:40:13 PDT." <199805110140.SAA03046@antipodes.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:38:29 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On Sun, 10 May 1998 at 20:58:08 -0400, John W. DeBoskey wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I seem to be unable to send mail to brian@Awfulhak.org... I'm not > > > sure why. > > > > > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > > > > > > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > > > ... while talking to awfulhak.org.: > > >>>> RCPT To: > > > <<< 550 ... we do not relay jwd@unx.sas.com > > > 550 ... User unknown > > > > You are trying to send mail via a system that doesn't want to do it > > for you. You've left out the name of the system in the message above, > > but I'd recommend that you stop trying to use it. > > Actually, no. This is attepting to deliver to the destination system, > and if you look at the transcript, it tells you who the system is. [.....] As Greg pointed out, you're talking to my A record, not my MX :-/ > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 10:52:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16819 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:52:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16685 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:52:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17035; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:51:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd017001; Mon May 11 10:51:48 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04328; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:51:40 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805111751.KAA04328@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Awfulhak.com (was pdksh) To: jwd@unx.sas.com (John W. DeBoskey) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:51:40 +0000 (GMT) Cc: grog@lemis.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805110210.AA13144@mozart> from "John W. DeBoskey" at May 10, 98 10:10:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Content-Type: message/delivery-status > > Reporting-MTA: dns; lamb.sas.com > Received-From-MTA: DNS; mozart.unx.sas.com > Arrival-Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:22:16 -0400 (EDT) > > Final-Recipient: RFC822; brian@Awfulhak.org > Action: failed > Status: 5.1.1 > Remote-MTA: DNS; awfulhak.org > Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 ... we do not relay jwd@unx.sas.c > om > Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Pretty obvious. The machine "lamb.sas.com" believes that the destination is external to sas.com, and that the source is not a machine on the local net. It believes this because the getpeername(3) + gethostbyaddr(3) show a machine with the wrong name as the source. Fix your DNS entries for the source machine, specifically the reverse maps, and/or fix "lamb.sas.com" to open holes for IP address ranges for which it is responsible and/or correctly configure the machines which are designated MX's for awfulhak.org to axtuall "X" the "M" for the hosted domain. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 15:23:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04529 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:23:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iq.org (proff@polysynaptic.iq.org [203.4.184.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04414 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:22:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from proff@iq.org) Received: (qmail 2858 invoked by uid 110); 11 May 1998 22:22:31 -0000 Date: 11 May 1998 22:22:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19980511222231.2857.qmail@iq.org> From: Julian Assange To: gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG cc: dyson@FreeBSD.ORG cc: mrg@eterna.com.au Subject: more queue.h brokenness Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I notice someone (gibbs?) has updated sys/queue.h Unfortunately, because of the manner in which tqe_prev, and tqh_last are calculated, TAILQ_LAST and TAILQ_PREV need to be redefined like so: #define TAILQ_LAST(head) ((*((head)->tqh_last))? (*((head)->tqh_last)): TAILQ_FIRST(head)) #define TAILQ_PREV(head, elm, field) (((elm) == TAILQ_FIRST(head))?NULL: *((elm)->field.tqe_prev)) this is a hack-like solution; the alternative is to do away with the double indirection of tqh_last and tqe_prev, which would be annoying. the other queue.h types (where defined) also have this problem. TAILQ_PREV is only used in vm/vm_object.c, which, presumably, is why no-one has noticed the problem before (and why I've cc'd dyson). Cheers, Julian. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 16:08:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13275 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:08:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from guttenberg.correionet.com.br (guttenberg.correionet.com.br [200.246.35.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13115 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:08:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goto@correionet.com.br) Received: from goto (cnet003.correionet.com.br [200.246.63.3]) by guttenberg.correionet.com.br (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA06471 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:05:55 -0300 (EST) Message-Id: <199805112305.UAA06471@guttenberg.correionet.com.br> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Gotos" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 20:07:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Linux Reply-to: goto@correionet.com.br X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.52) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id QAA13269 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Olá , Eu assino a Linux - br e encontrei uma mensagem sua sobre hacking . Li ela e me interessei muito pelo assunto . Sou usuário do Windows , mas vou instalar o Linux já já , então , você poderia me dar uma mãozinha aqui com ele ? Eu estou muito interessado em aprender Linux exatamente por motivos de hacking , claro , não cracking . Tenho um conhecimento de Visual Basic 5.0 e desenho páginas na web . Gostaria de ter uma resposta ,mesmo que negativa . Obrigado pela sua atenção . Tchau , Os Gotos Email : mailto:goto@correionet.com.br Site : http://www.goto.com.br "f u cn rd ths , u cn gt a gd jb n cmptr prgrmmng !" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 17:07:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21255 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:07:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tera.com (tera.tera.com [207.108.223.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21250 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:07:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by tera.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with UUCP id RAA26069 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.8.5/8.7.3) id RAA22339 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:00:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Kline Message-Id: <199805120000.RAA22339@tao.thought.org> Subject: locale.c and localedef.c? To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Organization: <> thought.org: public access uNix in service... <> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anyone written locale.c and localedef.c for the BSD world? or are these I need to hack out for myself? thanks. gary PS: Please copy me since I'm not subscribed to this list. -- Gary D. Kline kline@tao.thought.org Public service uNix To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 17:26:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23895 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:26:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23874; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:26:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA21481; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:25:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805120025.SAA21481@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Julian Assange cc: gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, mrg@eterna.com.au Subject: Re: more queue.h brokenness In-reply-to: Your message of "11 May 1998 22:22:31 -0000." <19980511222231.2857.qmail@iq.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:21:46 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >I notice someone (gibbs?) has updated sys/queue.h For -stable? Yes, it was me that brought currents sys/queue.h in. The changes that were made to sys/queue.h in this area, however, were performed by Kirk and are used by the soft update code. >Unfortunately, because of the manner in which tqe_prev, and tqh_last >are calculated, TAILQ_LAST and TAILQ_PREV need to be redefined like so: > >#define TAILQ_LAST(head) ((*((head)->tqh_last))? (*((head)->tqh_last)): TAILQ_ >FIRST(head)) >#define TAILQ_PREV(head, elm, field) (((elm) == TAILQ_FIRST(head))?NULL: *((el >m)->field.tqe_prev)) This is unnecessary. The original definitions are correct although perhaps not obviously so. Let's look at the original definitions: #define TAILQ_INIT(head) do { \ (head)->tqh_first = NULL; \ (head)->tqh_last = &(head)->tqh_first; \ } while (0) #define TAILQ_PREV(elm, headname, field) \ (*(((struct headname *)((elm)->field.tqe_prev))->tqh_last)) #define TAILQ_LAST(head, headname) \ (*(((struct headname *)((head)->tqh_last))->tqh_last)) So, in the base case, after initialization, TAILQ_LAST returns exactly what we would expect: (*(((struct headname *)((head)->tqh_last))->tqh_last)) as our tqh_last points to ourselves, this resolves to: (*(head)->tqh_last) resolves to: head->tqh_first == NULL; As the TAILQ macros will return to the initialized state after any number of inserts or removals, the "empty" case works fine. If the list has any elements in it, TAILQ_LAST also works correctly as we will look at either the tqe_next member of the element before the last, or in the case of a single element list, our own tqh_first member. The argument for TAILQ_PREV is much the same. I'm sure that if you write some code that makes use of these macros you will be able to convince yourself that they do work as desired. One of the benefits of the new TAILQ macros is that TAILQ_PREV gives you what you really want, a pointer to the real object, not your own previous double pointer. >TAILQ_PREV is only used in vm/vm_object.c, which, presumably, is why >no-one has noticed the problem before (and why I've cc'd dyson). It's used in the soft update code as well as in latest version of the CAM aic7xxx sequencer compiler. Supporting CAM was the main reason I brought the code in. >Cheers, >Julian. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 17:34:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25783 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:34:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (root@mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA25771; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:34:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA94468; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:34:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: drosih@pop1.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980511222231.2857.qmail@iq.org> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:37:39 -0400 To: Julian Assange , gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: more queue.h brokenness Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:22 PM +0000 5/11/98, Julian Assange wrote: > I notice someone (gibbs?) has updated sys/queue.h [skipping] > the other queue.h types (where defined) also have this problem. > > TAILQ_PREV is only used in vm/vm_object.c, which, presumably, > is why no-one has noticed the problem before (and why I've > cc'd dyson). Not sure what you mean by "the other" queue.h types, but I thought I'd mention that the newer version of lpr also uses sys/queue.h for some things. It seems to use TAILQ_{ENTRY,HEAD,INIT,REMOVE}, in case those are among the other types which have the problem... --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 17:37:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA26654 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:37:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep2.mail.ozemail.net (fep2.mail.ozemail.net [203.2.192.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26605 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:37:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe.shevland@horizonti.com) Received: from fac_c1292 (pc111.slt.tased.edu.au [147.41.72.111]) by fep2.mail.ozemail.net (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA08931 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:37:16 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <355799C4.7396@horizonti.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:37:24 +1000 From: Joe Shevland Reply-To: joe.shevland@horizonti.com Organization: Horizon Techonologies International X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux References: <199805112305.UAA06471@guttenberg.correionet.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gotos wrote: > > Olá , > > > Eu assino a Linux - br e encontrei uma mensagem sua sobre hacking . > Li ela e me interessei muito pelo assunto . Sou usuário do Windows , > mas vou instalar o Linux já já , então , você poderia me dar uma > mãozinha aqui com ele ? > Eu estou muito interessado em aprender Linux exatamente por motivos > de hacking , claro , não cracking . Tenho um conhecimento de > Visual Basic 5.0 e desenho páginas na web . Gostaria de ter > uma resposta ,mesmo que negativa . > > Obrigado pela sua atenção . > Tchau , > Os Gotos > Yip. Understood that. -- Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 18:12:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00965 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:12:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iq.org (proff@polysynaptic.iq.org [203.4.184.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00946 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:12:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from proff@iq.org) Received: (qmail 3076 invoked by uid 110); 12 May 1998 01:11:57 -0000 To: Garance A Drosihn Cc: gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: more queue.h brokenness References: From: Julian Assange Date: 12 May 1998 11:11:57 +1000 In-Reply-To: Garance A Drosihn's message of "Mon, 11 May 1998 20:37:39 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Garance A Drosihn writes: > At 10:22 PM +0000 5/11/98, Julian Assange wrote: > > I notice someone (gibbs?) has updated sys/queue.h > [skipping] > > the other queue.h types (where defined) also have this problem. > > > > TAILQ_PREV is only used in vm/vm_object.c, which, presumably, > > is why no-one has noticed the problem before (and why I've > > cc'd dyson). > > Not sure what you mean by "the other" queue.h types, but I thought > I'd mention that the newer version of lpr also uses sys/queue.h > for some things. It seems to use TAILQ_{ENTRY,HEAD,INIT,REMOVE}, > in case those are among the other types which have the problem... No, by other types I meant the other queue types, e.g STAILQ/LIST. The definitions for TAILQ_LAST and TAILQ_PREV have changed; I'm not sure if these new definitions have fixed the problem or not (the code path is complex). The symptoms were that after a certain combination of inserts and removes, TAILQ_PREV on the first element returned the first member, rather than NULL (meaning a backwards loop through the TAILQ never ended). When there was only one member left, TAILQ_LAST returned NULL, rather than the first member. Cheers, Julian. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 18:16:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01575 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:16:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01560; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:16:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA02410; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805120105.SAA02410@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: lestat.nas.nasa.gov: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Justin T. Gibbs" Cc: Julian Assange , gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, mrg@eterna.com.au, mckusick@mckusick.com Subject: Re: more queue.h brokenness Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:05:34 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 11 May 1998 18:21:46 -0600 "Justin T. Gibbs" wrote: > For -stable? Yes, it was me that brought currents sys/queue.h in. The > changes that were made to sys/queue.h in this area, however, were > performed by Kirk and are used by the soft update code. [ . . . ] > It's used in the soft update code as well as in latest version of the CAM > aic7xxx sequencer compiler. Supporting CAM was the main reason I brought > the code in. Given how the TAILQ_PREV() and TAILQ_LAST() macros work (when I realized how they work, I had to stop, get up, and go get another cup of coffee to calm my nerves), I just have to ask: "Why no just use CIRCLEQ?" I mean, that's what they're for, and they're not really that much more expensive (only on insertion; an extra pointer indirection, and modify two elements rather than one). Jason R. Thorpe thorpej@nas.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Home: +1 408 866 1912 NAS: M/S 258-5 Work: +1 650 604 0935 Moffett Field, CA 94035 Pager: +1 650 428 6939 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 18:32:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04343 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:32:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iq.org (proff@polysynaptic.iq.org [203.4.184.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA04182 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:31:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from proff@iq.org) Received: (qmail 3095 invoked by uid 110); 12 May 1998 01:31:57 -0000 To: Jason Thorpe Cc: "Justin T. Gibbs" , gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, mrg@eterna.com.au, mckusick@mckusick.com Subject: Re: more queue.h brokenness References: <199805120105.SAA02410@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> From: Julian Assange Date: 12 May 1998 11:31:57 +1000 In-Reply-To: Jason Thorpe's message of "Mon, 11 May 1998 18:05:34 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jason Thorpe writes: > Given how the TAILQ_PREV() and TAILQ_LAST() macros work (when I realized > how they work, I had to stop, get up, and go get another cup of coffee > to calm my nerves), I just have to ask: > > "Why no just use CIRCLEQ?" > > I mean, that's what they're for, and they're not really that much more > expensive (only on insertion; an extra pointer indirection, and modify > two elements rather than one). End of list detection is also more complex. Speaking of circle queues, isn't this is an infinite loop? #define CIRCLEQ_FOREACH(var, head, field) \ for((var) = (head)->cqh_first; (var); (var) = (var)->field.cqe_next) Cheers, Julian. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 18:41:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05652 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:41:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05644; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:41:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA26420; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd026418; Tue May 12 01:36:08 1998 Message-ID: <3557A784.31D2DE92@whistle.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:36:04 -0700 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Assange CC: Garance A Drosihn , gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: more queue.h brokenness References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian Assange wrote: > > Garance A Drosihn writes: > > > At 10:22 PM +0000 5/11/98, Julian Assange wrote: > > > I notice someone (gibbs?) has updated sys/queue.h > > [skipping] > > > the other queue.h types (where defined) also have this problem. > > > > > > TAILQ_PREV is only used in vm/vm_object.c, which, presumably, > > > is why no-one has noticed the problem before (and why I've > > > cc'd dyson). > > > > Not sure what you mean by "the other" queue.h types, but I thought > > I'd mention that the newer version of lpr also uses sys/queue.h > > for some things. It seems to use TAILQ_{ENTRY,HEAD,INIT,REMOVE}, > > in case those are among the other types which have the problem... > > No, by other types I meant the other queue types, e.g STAILQ/LIST. > > The definitions for TAILQ_LAST and TAILQ_PREV have changed; I'm not > sure if these new definitions have fixed the problem or not (the code > path is complex). The symptoms were that after a certain combination > of inserts and removes, TAILQ_PREV on the first element returned the > first member, rather than NULL (meaning a backwards loop through the > TAILQ never ended). When there was only one member left, TAILQ_LAST > returned NULL, rather than the first member. Then the problem in in one of the inserts or removals.. probably someone 'optimising' something they didn't quite understand. > > Cheers, > Julian. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 18:48:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA06831 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:48:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06823; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:48:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA02585; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805120137.SAA02585@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: lestat.nas.nasa.gov: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Julian Assange Cc: "Justin T. Gibbs" , gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, mrg@eterna.com.au, mckusick@mckusick.com Subject: Re: more queue.h brokenness Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:37:29 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 12 May 1998 11:31:57 +1000 Julian Assange wrote: > End of list detection is also more complex. More complex from a coder's standpoint, but not necessarily more expensive. It's still a single comparison, it's just that you're not comparing against NULL. > Speaking of circle queues, isn't this is an infinite loop? > > #define CIRCLEQ_FOREACH(var, head, field) \ > for((var) = (head)->cqh_first; (var); (var) = (var)->field.cqe_next) Sure looks like it to me. Jason R. Thorpe thorpej@nas.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Home: +1 408 866 1912 NAS: M/S 258-5 Work: +1 650 604 0935 Moffett Field, CA 94035 Pager: +1 650 428 6939 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 19:56:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15346 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 19:56:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from azrael.uoregon.edu (azrael.uoregon.edu [128.223.194.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15338 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 19:56:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wesman@azrael.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (wesman@localhost) by azrael.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA28685; Mon, 11 May 1998 19:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:56:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Wesley Horner Reply-To: wesman@oregon.uoregon.edu To: Joe Shevland cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux In-Reply-To: <355799C4.7396@horizonti.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id TAA15339 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ahhh now I understand :) >Ol, I sign the Linux - br and found a message its on hacking. >I read it and I was interested myself very for the subject. I am using of >the Windows, but I go to install the Linux already already, then, you >could give one to me; mozinha here with it? I very am interested in >learning Linux for reasons accurately of hacking, clearly, not cracking. I >have a knowledge of Visual 5.0 beginner's all-purpose symbolic >instruction code and drawing pages in web. It would like to have a reply, >exactly that minus. >Debtor for its attention. > Tchau, The Gotos ~~~~wesman@gladstone.uoregon.edu~~~~~~~~~~NeXTMail OK!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Vax a vicious creature known to eat 110AC and quotes through its *DCL*. Vax are usually found in groups of Vaxen called clusters where they lay in wait to ravage thier prey known as users. On Tue, 12 May 1998, Joe Shevland wrote: > Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:37:24 +1000 > From: Joe Shevland > To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Linux > > Gotos wrote: > > > > Olá , > > > > > > Eu assino a Linux - br e encontrei uma mensagem sua sobre hacking . > > Li ela e me interessei muito pelo assunto . Sou usuário do Windows , > > mas vou instalar o Linux já já , então , você poderia me dar uma > > mãozinha aqui com ele ? > > Eu estou muito interessado em aprender Linux exatamente por motivos > > de hacking , claro , não cracking . Tenho um conhecimento de > > Visual Basic 5.0 e desenho páginas na web . Gostaria de ter > > uma resposta ,mesmo que negativa . > > > > Obrigado pela sua atenção . > > Tchau , > > Os Gotos > > > > Yip. Understood that. > > -- > Joe > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 20:36:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20479 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:36:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flamingo.McKusick.COM (root@flamingo.mckusick.com [205.217.47.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA20353; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:35:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mckusick@flamingo.McKusick.COM) Received: from flamingo.McKusick.COM (mckusick@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flamingo.McKusick.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA29353; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805120158.SAA29353@flamingo.McKusick.COM> To: Jason Thorpe Subject: Re: more queue.h brokenness cc: Julian Assange , "Justin T. Gibbs" , gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, mrg@eterna.com.au In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 11 May 1998 18:37:29 PDT." <199805120137.SAA02585@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:58:50 -0700 From: Kirk McKusick Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG TAILQ macros run about 20% faster than CIRCLEQ macros on typical insertion, deletion, and lookup ratios due to fewer tests, and testing terminaion against NULL rather than a computed value. CIRCLEQ's win when your are predominently traversing them in the reverse direction. Frankly, if I had figured out how to traverse TAILQ's backwards when I wrote the queue macros, I would not have put CIRCLEQ's into the macro set at all. Kirk McKusick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 20:49:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22706 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:49:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.atl.bellsouth.net (mail.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA22675 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:49:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from clsmith@bellsouth.net) Received: from runway (host-209-214-76-87.atl-n.bellsouth.net [209.214.76.87]) by mail.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA14181 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:49:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris Smith" To: Subject: rundos Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:48:13 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd7d58$c9e0f840$574cd6d1@runway> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD7D37.42CF5840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD7D37.42CF5840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am interested in joining the RUNDOS effort with FreeBSD! (Once I get = my box running that is) :-) Chris Smith ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD7D37.42CF5840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BD7D37.42CF5840-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 21:02:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24375 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:02:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24364; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:02:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29568; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:02:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805120402.WAA29568@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Julian Assange cc: Garance A Drosihn , gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: more queue.h brokenness In-reply-to: Your message of "12 May 1998 11:11:57 +1000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:58:55 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >No, by other types I meant the other queue types, e.g STAILQ/LIST. > >The definitions for TAILQ_LAST and TAILQ_PREV have changed; I'm not >sure if these new definitions have fixed the problem or not (the code >path is complex). The symptoms were that after a certain combination >of inserts and removes, TAILQ_PREV on the first element returned the >first member, rather than NULL (meaning a backwards loop through the >TAILQ never ended). When there was only one member left, TAILQ_LAST >returned NULL, rather than the first member. Before this change, TAILQ_PREV was unusable for reverse traversals in a list. It returned a pointer to the "links" area of the previous object, not the previous object. >Cheers, >Julian. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 21:06:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24890 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:06:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24873; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:06:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@plutotech.com) Received: from narnia.plutotech.com (narnia.plutotech.com [206.168.67.130]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29681; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:05:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199805120405.WAA29681@pluto.plutotech.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Jason Thorpe cc: "Justin T. Gibbs" , Julian Assange , gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, mrg@eterna.com.au, mckusick@mckusick.com Subject: Re: more queue.h brokenness In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 11 May 1998 18:05:34 PDT." <199805120105.SAA02410@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:02:07 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Given how the TAILQ_PREV() and TAILQ_LAST() macros work (when I realized >how they work, I had to stop, get up, and go get another cup of coffee >to calm my nerves), I just have to ask: > > "Why no just use CIRCLEQ?" I guess I would ask, "Why not use TAILQ?" It works, it's more efficient, and client code never needs to know how they are implemented so who cares if the way they work is "tricky". -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon May 11 21:54:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01236 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:54:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01104 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:54:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA26855; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:23:41 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199805120453.OAA26855@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: joe.shevland@horizonti.com cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 May 1998 10:37:24 +1000." <355799C4.7396@horizonti.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:23:41 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id VAA01228 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Yip. Understood that. Well, altavista says -> Olá, I sign the Linux - br and found a message its on hacking. I read it and I was interested myself very for the subject. I am using of the Windows, but I go to install the Linux already already, then, you could give one here to me mãozinha with it? I very am interested in accurately learning Linux for reasons of hacking, clearly, not cracking. I have a knowledge of Visual 5.0 beginner's all-purpose symbolic instruction code and drawing pages in web. It would like to have a reply, exactly that minus. Debtor for its attention. Tchau, The Gotos So... he wants to learn Linux to hack around.. Easy! :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 12 00:23:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA20458 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:23:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freya.circle.net (freya.circle.net [209.95.95.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA20416 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:23:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tcobb@staff.circle.net) Received: by freya.circle.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2YP7BQ2R>; Tue, 12 May 1998 03:12:16 -0400 Message-ID: <509A2986E5C5D111B7DD0060082F32A402F99D@freya.circle.net> From: tcobb To: "'freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org'" Subject: panic: biodone buffer not busy (2.2.6 with DPT) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 03:12:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am now getting regular (approx. every 3 days) panics on my busy NFS server with the above error. According to what I can piece together, there is no 2.2.6 patch which will fix this problem? As to details, this occurs on a SCSI-only machine with a DPT RAID controller. It doesn't require particularly busy SCSI access to trigger it, though I cannot do so at will. Unfortunately, because this is a production server I cannot wait for a crashdump before rebooting. I upgraded from 2.2.2 to get better integrated DPT support, and to avoid an mbuf leak that appeared in my hacked 2.2.2 version which killed me with a panic about once every 2 weeks. Any idea if I should expect this panic to appear in -current? I don't much like the idea of running -current on this machine b/c this NFS server is absolutely critical to operations. I *will* run -current if it looks like that will fix my problem (and that there is a relatively stable snapshot available). Any suggestions are much appreciated! Thanks in advance. - Troy Cobb Here's the relevant boot details: May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE #0: Sun Apr 5 05:23:44 EDT 1998 May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: root@phoenix.circle.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/BENZAITEN-2 May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: CPU: Pentium (232.67-MHz 586-class CPU) May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x543 Stepping=3 May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: Features=0x8001bf May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: avail memory = 129118208 (126092K bytes) May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: DPT: RAID Manager driver, Version 1.0.1 May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: chip0 rev 2 on pci0:0:0 May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: chip1 rev 1 on pci0:7:0 May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: chip2 rev 0 on pci0:7:1 May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: vx0 <3COM 3C905 Fast Etherlink XL PCI> rev 0 int a irq 11 on pci0:17:0 May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: mii[*mii*] address 00:60:08:15:a9:f4 May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: vga0 rev 211 int a irq 15 on pci0:18:0 May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: fxp0 rev 2 int a irq 10 on pci0:19:0 May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: fxp0: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:9b:23:98 May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: DPT: PCI SCSI HBA Driver, version 1.2.4 May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: dpt0 rev 2 int a irq 9 on pci0:20:0 May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: dpt0: DPT type 3, model PM3334UW firmware 07L0, Protocol 0 May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: on port 6310 with 458753MB Write-Back cache. LED = 0000 0000 May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: dpt0: Enabled Options: May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: Collect Metrics May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: Optimize CPU Cache May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: dpt0 waiting for scsi devices to settle May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: (dpt0:0:0): "DPT RAID-1 07L0" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: sd0(dpt0:0:0): Direct-Access 1029MB (2109328 512 byte sectors) May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: dpt0 waiting for scsi devices to settle May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: (dpt0:2:0): "DPT RAID-5 07L0" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: sd1(dpt0:2:0): Direct-Access 20503MB (41990720 512 byte sectors) May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: npx0 flags 0x1 on motherboard May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: Intel Pentium F00F detected, installing workaround May 12 00:45:54 benzaiten /kernel: WARNING: / was not properly dismounted. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 12 01:42:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA28631 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:42:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xcf.berkeley.edu (scam.XCF.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.43.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA28617 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:42:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nordwick@scam.xcf.berkeley.edu) Received: (qmail 7873 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 08:43:42 -0000 Received: from ip107.san-francisco22.ca.pub-ip.psi.net (HELO scam.xcf.berkeley.edu) (38.28.60.107) by scam.xcf.berkeley.edu with SMTP; 12 May 1998 08:43:42 -0000 Message-ID: <355809C0.301AB313@scam.xcf.berkeley.edu> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 01:35:12 -0700 From: Jason Nordwick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-980222-SNAP i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was looking into bin/5733 concerning cp and since this is my first attempt at fixing anything in the system, I though that I would see if it is an okay fix. The problem was that you could not recursively copy a directory structure where a non terminal directory was read-only. Appended is the diff to cp.c Also appended is a diff to utils.c that fixes a small non-problem; it used to report chown error, but was really a chmod error. Finally a questions: shouldn't the return values in mastercmp() be changed if it is to fit the comments above it? Here is that code segment: /* * mastercmp -- * The comparison function for the copy order. The order is to copy * non-directory files before directory files. The reason for this * is because files tend to be in the same cylinder group as their * parent directory, whereas directories tend not to be. Copying the * files first reduces seeking. */ int mastercmp(a, b) const FTSENT **a, **b; { int a_info, b_info; a_info = (*a)->fts_info; if (a_info == FTS_ERR || a_info == FTS_NS || a_info == FTS_DNR) return (0); b_info = (*b)->fts_info; if (b_info == FTS_ERR || b_info == FTS_NS || b_info == FTS_DNR) return (0); if (a_info == FTS_D) return (-1); if (b_info == FTS_D) return (1); return (0); } And here are the two diffs I said I would have: --- cp.c.orig Wed May 6 04:13:48 1998 +++ cp.c Tue May 12 01:23:46 1998 @@ -249,7 +249,7 @@ struct stat to_stat; FTS *ftsp; FTSENT *curr; - int base = 0, dne, nlen, rval; + int base = 0, dne, nlen, rval, postdir = 0; char *p, *target_mid; if ((ftsp = fts_open(argv, fts_options, mastercmp)) == NULL) @@ -266,8 +266,9 @@ warnx("%s: directory causes a cycle", curr->fts_path); rval = 1; continue; - case FTS_DP: /* Ignore, continue. */ - continue; + case FTS_DP: + postdir = 1; + break; } /* @@ -324,6 +325,14 @@ STRIP_TRAILING_SLASH(to); } + if (postdir) { + if (chmod(to.p_path, curr->fts_statp->st_mode) == -1) + warnx("%s just created, but now missing?", + to.p_path); + postdir = 0; + continue; + } + /* Not an error but need to remember it happened */ if (stat(to.p_path, &to_stat) == -1) dne = 1; @@ -384,9 +393,10 @@ */ if (pflag && setfile(curr->fts_statp, 0)) rval = 1; - else if (dne) - (void)chmod(to.p_path, - curr->fts_statp->st_mode); + /* + * we used to chmod new directories here, but + * now we do it on the way back up the tree. + */ break; case S_IFBLK: case S_IFCHR: --- utils.c.orig Tue May 12 01:24:52 1998 +++ utils.c Tue May 12 01:25:19 1998 @@ -290,7 +290,7 @@ fs->st_mode &= ~(S_ISUID | S_ISGID); } if (fd ? fchmod(fd, fs->st_mode) : chmod(to.p_path, fs->st_mode)) { - warn("chown: %s", to.p_path); + warn("chmod: %s", to.p_path); rval = 1; } -- 4.4 > 95 http://www.xcf.berkeley.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 12 03:52:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA11391 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 03:52:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from titanium.noida.hclt.com ([204.160.248.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA11343 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 03:51:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anuragp@hcltech.noida.hclt.com) Received: from hcltech.noida.hclt.com (hcltech [204.160.252.176]) by titanium.noida.hclt.com (8.6.8.1/SCA-6.6) with ESMTP id LAA12452 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:03:02 GMT Received: from anurag ([204.160.252.213]) by hcltech.noida.hclt.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA015530682; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:28:02 +0530 Received: by anurag with Microsoft Mail id <01BD7DC9.5A3E4210@anurag>; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:13:59 -0000 Message-Id: <01BD7DC9.5A3E4210@anurag> From: Anurag Prakash To: "'freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Help OSI Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:13:57 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have to write an X.400 client, which works on the standard OSI > stack. Can any one point me to resources or reference source code > for transport layer TP0, and /or, session and presentation layer. > > Thanks and regards > > Anurag > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 12 04:46:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18789 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 04:46:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from manchester.genrad.com (x254.genrad.co.uk [195.99.3.254] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18784 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 04:46:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swindellsr@genrad.co.uk) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 04:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805121146.EAA18784@hub.freebsd.org> Received: from CDP275.uk.genrad.com by manchester.genrad.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id KWXY6LND; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:46:13 +0100 From: Robert Swindells To: anuragp@hcltech.noida.hclt.com CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <01BD7DC9.5A3E4210@anurag> (message from Anurag Prakash on Tue, 12 May 1998 17:13:57 -0000) Subject: Re: Help OSI Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have to write an X.400 client, which works on the standard OSI > stack. Can any one point me to resources or reference source code > for transport layer TP0, and /or, session and presentation layer. Check out ISODE for the network stack and PP for the X.400 code. Both will port to FreeBSD fairly easily. Robert Swindells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 12 04:51:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA19313 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 04:51:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from chuck.schiele-ct.de (chuck.schiele-ct.de [193.141.27.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA19308 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 04:51:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from br@schiele-ct.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by chuck.schiele-ct.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id NAA18636; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:25:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from br@schiele-ct.de) X-Authentication-Warning: chuck.schiele-ct.de: uucp set sender to br@schiele-ct.de using -f Received: from schiele-ct.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by faber.netland.inka.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02284; Sat, 9 May 1998 09:46:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199805090746.JAA02284@faber.netland.inka.de> To: Chris Coleman cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sony Dat Drives In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 04 May 1998 22:42:18 +0200." Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 09:46:24 +0200 From: Bernd Rosauer Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Coleman : > Does anyone know if the SDT-9000 DDS-3 DAT tape drives from SONY work on > FreeBSD 2.2.6? The SDT-9000 works fine on my FreeBSD-current box. For the FreeBSD kernel, it's just another SCSI tape drive. -Bernd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 12 05:53:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA26809 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 05:53:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA26800 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 05:53:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA10596 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:56:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:56:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: New boot.flp with CAM support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! I prepared new set of installation floppies with built-in SCSI CAM code. This allows you (among others) to install FreeBSD on the machines equipped with new AHA7895 SCSI controller. You can get them from: http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/cam-boot/ Please read carefully the instructions in README - you'll need both floppies, and you'll need to follow special bootstrapping procedure described therein. I used 3.0-current sources from 13.04.1998, patched with CAM patches from the same day. Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 12 07:50:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA14341 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:50:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [194.93.177.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA13954 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 07:48:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14294; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:48:22 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Message-ID: <19980512174822.A14078@ucb.crimea.ua> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:48:22 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Discussion: the way the files gets installed Mail-Followup-To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! While ``making the world my own'' I noticed the strange thing. Two days ago I've ran ``make buildworld''. Today's morning I've ran ``make installworld''. Then I do: # cd /usr/src/bin/cat; make -n all cc -O -static -o cat cat.o Why the make wants to build the ``cat'' again, I thought? Here's what were digged: 1. The ${PROG} target depends on ${DESTDIR}/usr/lib/libc.a (line 64 of bsd.prog.mk, RELENG_2_2) In this case, the ``cat'' binary depends on /usr/lib/libc.a. 2. /usr/lib/libc.a is older than the /usr/obj/usr/src/bin/cat/cat. -r--r--r-- 1 bin bin 539170 May 12 11:33 /usr/lib/libc.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root bin 539170 May 10 19:52 /usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc/libc.a -rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 63788 May 10 20:31 /usr/obj/usr/src/bin/cat/cat Note, that original libc.a in /usr/obj was built earlier that the ``cat''. That's why the make wants to build the ``cat'' binary again. The reason why /usr/lib/libc.a gets older than the libc.a in /usr/obj is in the way the libs are installed. They are installed with ``install -c'' command. I propose to install progs and libs using ``install -p'' instead of ``install -c''. This will preserve the original modification times of the files being installed and will no confuse the make. There are many ways to implement this. The one I thought of was to define and use something like ``PRESERVE= -p'' in bsd.*.mk. Regards, -- Ruslan Ermilov System Administrator ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank +380-652-247647 Simferopol, Crimea 2426679 ICQ Network, UIN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 12 08:47:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23556 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:47:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from crox.net.kiae.su (crox.net.kiae.su [144.206.130.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23531 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 08:47:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crox.net.kiae.su!vak) Received: by crox.net.kiae.su id TAA04312; (8.8.8/vak/1.8a) Tue, 12 May 1998 19:46:50 +0400 (MSD) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: Organization: Cronyx Ltd. Date: Tue, 12 May 98 19:46:50 +0400 X-Mailer: BML [UNIX Beauty Mail v.1.39] From: vak@cronyx.ru Subject: request for major device number Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Please, I need the character device major number for the Cronyx-Tau serial adapter driver. I am ready to submit the driver sources to FreeBSD-current, as long as I will have the registered major device number. Thanks in advance, Serge Vakulenko --- Serge Vakulenko Cronyx Engineering Ltd., Moscow Digital communication hardware development, phone/fax: +7 (095) 196-40-53 Internet services, FreeBSD support To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 12 10:13:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08178 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:13:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08149 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:13:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02478; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:07:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: vak@cronyx.ru cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: request for major device number In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 May 1998 19:46:50 +0400." Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:07:01 -0700 Message-ID: <2474.894992821@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hello, > > Please, I need the character device major number for > the Cronyx-Tau serial adapter driver. Done: 99 tau Cronyx/Tau serial adaptor I named it "tau" since you neglected to specify any other preference. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 12 11:06:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20104 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:06:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20078 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:06:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10656; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:53:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805121753.KAA10656@rah.star-gate.com> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: vak@cronyx.ru, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: request for major device number In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 May 1998 10:07:01 PDT." <2474.894992821@time.cdrom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <10653.894995580.1@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:53:00 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG And since it is a brand new unused major device the author still has a chance to name his device... Best Regards, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 12 12:21:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05487 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:21:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt053nd2.san.rr.com [204.210.34.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05473 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:21:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07209 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:21:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <3558A123.128D3993@dal.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:21:07 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE-0507 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Generic makefile question References: <355685C4.D52B88B0@dal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This isn't related specifically to FreeBSD but I figured someone here would know. :) I am working on cleaning up a makefile (for our ircd) and I've run into a problem. Here are (what I hope are) the relevant bits: SHELL=/bin/sh ALLSUBDIRS=doc include src RM=rm RMARGS=-f THINGSTOCLEAN=*~ \#* *.orig *.rej *.o *pure* ircd version.c chkconf core clean: $(RM) $(RMARGS) $(THINGSTOCLEAN) @for i in $(ALLSUBDIRS); do \ echo "Cleaning $$i";\ ( cd $$i; ${RM} ${RMARGS} *~ \#* *.orig *.rej *.o *pure* ircd version.c chkconf core ; ) \ (these two are one line) done -@if [ -f include/setup.h ] ; then \ echo "To really restart installation, remove include/setup.h" ; \ fi -@if [ -f include/options.h ] ; then \ echo "and include/options.h" ; \ fi Doing it this way it works just fine. However what I'd like to do is: ( cd $$i; ${RM} ${RMARGS} ${THINGSTOCLEAN}; ) \ When I do that, I get this: 55$ make clean rm -f *~ #* *.orig *.rej *.o *pure* ircd version.c chkconf core Syntax error: end of file unexpected (expecting ")") *** Error code 2 Stop. Note that the first one with the same arguments works. I tried every combination I could think of using $(var), ${var}, spaces, semicolons, etc. The only thing that didn't give me that error was: ( cd $$i; ${RM} ${RMARGS} "${THINGSTOCLEAN}"; ) \ However it apparently didn't expand the variable because nothing got deleted. Any help would be appreciated, including pointers to on line tutorials. Yes, I've read the man page about a thousand times now so if the answer's there a quote would be a good thing. :) Thanks, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud designer and maintainer of the world's largest Internet *** Relay Chat server with 5,328 simultaneous connections. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 12 14:33:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28726 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:33:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ghost.mep.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (dialin65.rhein-main.netsurf.de [194.163.193.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28680 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 14:32:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberte@ghost.mep.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) Received: (from roberte@localhost) by ghost.mep.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (8.8.5/8.8.4) id XAA00791 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:32:10 +0200 (MESZ) From: Robert Eckardt Message-Id: <199805122132.XAA00791@ghost.mep.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Subject: NISplus, SecureRPC To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 23:32:09 +0200 (MESZ) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, since searching in the mail archives revealed nothing new, I try asking on this forum whether someone is (still) working on implementing NIS+ (at least the client part) on FreeBSD and if so what is the status ? It seems that Linux has support for NIS+ clients. Is this usable from FreeBSD ? Is the SecureRPC implementation complete and available to Non-US-citizens ? The reason I ask is simply that I would like to add a FreeBSD-driven PC in a NIS+-administered network. Thanks, Robert -- Dr. Robert Eckardt Robert.Eckardt@Rhein-Main.netsurf.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 12 16:33:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23826 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:33:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc4.wcc.net (wcc4.wcc.net [208.6.232.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23788 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:32:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from piquan@wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (83.camalott.com [208.203.140.83]) by wcc4.wcc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA16377; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:27:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00462; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:32:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:32:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805122332.SAA00462@detlev.UUCP> To: joe.shevland@horizonti.com CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <355799C4.7396@horizonti.com> (message from Joe Shevland on Tue, 12 May 1998 10:37:24 +1000) Subject: Re: Linux From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199805112305.UAA06471@guttenberg.correionet.com.br> <355799C4.7396@horizonti.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> Eu assino a Linux - br e encontrei uma mensagem sua sobre hacking . >> Li ela e me interessei muito pelo assunto . Sou usuário do Windows , >> mas vou instalar o Linux já já , então , você poderia me dar uma >> mãozinha aqui com ele ? >> Eu estou muito interessado em aprender Linux exatamente por ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ >> motivos de hacking , claro , não cracking . Tenho um conhecimento ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^ (have) >> de Visual Basic 5.0 e desenho páginas na web . Gostaria de ter ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^ >> uma resposta ,mesmo que negativa . >> Obrigado pela sua atenção . >> Tchau , >> Os Gotos > Yip. Understood that. Trust me. You are better off not. Best, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 12 21:20:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA05889 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:20:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ctserv.itfs.nsk.su (ctserv.itfs.nsk.su [193.124.36.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA05873 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:20:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nnd@ctserv.itfs.nsk.su) Received: (from nnd@localhost) by ctserv.itfs.nsk.su (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24524; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:29:25 +0700 (NSS) (envelope-from nnd) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:29:25 +0700 (NSS) From: "Nickolay N. Dudorov" Message-Id: <199805130429.LAA24524@ctserv.itfs.nsk.su> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: request for major device number X-Newsgroups: itfs.freebsd.hackers In-Reply-To: <2474.894992821@time.cdrom.com> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980202 (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <2474.894992821@time.cdrom.com> jkh wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Please, I need the character device major number for >> the Cronyx-Tau serial adapter driver. > Done: > 99 tau Cronyx/Tau serial adaptor > I named it "tau" since you neglected to specify any other preference. > - Jordan Is there any chance for this driver to have better author's support than Cronyx/Sigma (cx) from the same source ? After initial import of 'cx' driver in 1995 authors have not provide changes/bug fixes for FreeBSD while changing/developing their version of the driver (see www.cronyx.ru). And now FreeBSD (2.2.6 for example) have old and buggy version of the driver while author's version can not be used (without additional patches) in FreeBSD-2.2.6 and -current. I hope that this new 'tau' driver will be more lucky :-( N.Dudorov To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue May 12 22:28:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13892 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Tue, 12 May 1998 22:28:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tversu.ru (mail.tversu.ru [62.76.80.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13784 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 22:27:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vadim@gala.tversu.ru) Received: from gala.tversu.ru (vadim@gala.tversu.ru [62.76.80.10]) by tversu.ru (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA17796 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:27:00 +0400 (MSD) Received: (from vadim@localhost) by gala.tversu.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25963; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:24:48 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <19980513092446.A25956@tversu.ru> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:24:46 +0400 From: Vadim Kolontsov To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.90.11i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, sorry. please delete it. Regards, V. -- Vadim Kolontsov Tver Internet Center NOC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 03:13:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA27389 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:13:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from crox.net.kiae.su (crox.net.kiae.su [144.206.130.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA27375 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 03:12:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crox.net.kiae.su!vak) Received: by crox.net.kiae.su id OAA00314; (8.8.8/vak/1.8a) Wed, 13 May 1998 14:13:07 +0400 (MSD) To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <2474.894992821@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: Organization: Cronyx Ltd. Date: Wed, 13 May 98 14:13:07 +0400 X-Mailer: BML [UNIX Beauty Mail v.1.39] From: vak@cronyx.ru Subject: Re: request for major device number Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, > > Please, I need the character device major number for > > the Cronyx-Tau serial adapter driver. > > -- Serge > Done: > 99 tau Cronyx/Tau serial adaptor > I named it "tau" since you neglected to specify any other preference. > -- Jordan > And since it is a brand new unused major device the author still > has a chance to name his device... > -- Amancio Please, rename it to: 99 ct Cronyx/Tau serial adapter And please, change also the comments of another Cronyx driver: 42 cx Cronyx/Sigma serial adapter A lot of thanks, Serge --- Serge Vakulenko Cronyx Engineering Ltd., Moscow Digital communication hardware development, phone/fax: +7 (095) 196-40-53 Internet services, FreeBSD support To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 04:40:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA12373 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 04:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beatrice.rutgers.edu (beatrice.rutgers.edu [165.230.209.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA12319; Wed, 13 May 1998 04:39:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from easmith@beatrice.rutgers.edu) Received: (from easmith@localhost) by beatrice.rutgers.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id HAA05866; Wed, 13 May 1998 07:39:15 -0400 From: "Allen Smith" Message-Id: <9805130739.ZM5858@beatrice.rutgers.edu> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:39:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: Allen Smith "make buildworld fails on 2-2-stable system: pccard/cardinfo.h not found" (May 13, 6:00am) References: <9805130600.ZM3960@beatrice.rutgers.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make buildworld fails on 2-2-stable system: pccard/cardinfo.h not found Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi. I got around the pccard problem via the method I mentioned (namely removing pccard from the list of SUBDIRS), but now I can't do an installworld - after going into single-user mode and initiating it, the mtree command fails with a "panic: fdesc attr" and the system reboots. I find this more than a bit disturbing. Is it possible that this has to do with the fdesc filesystem I've got union-mounted over my /dev directory? Thanks, -Allen P.S. Sorry about the size of the file I sent out earlier - I didn't quite realize how big it was even after my trimming... While I've copied the significant stuff down below since this is also now going to hackers, I have trimmed it significantly. On May 13, 6:00am, Allen Smith (possibly) wrote: > Hi. I'm having trouble doing a make buildworld on a 2-2-stable > system, and the problem may be with cvsup. The system in question > is a 2-2-980404-SNAP system from Atipa, updated for the first time > (after a backup, of course) using the following supfile: > [edited - Allen] > # Defaults that apply to all the collections > *default host=cvsup.ca.FreeBSD.org > *default base=/var > *default prefix=/var/cvs > *default release=cvs > *default delete use-rel-suffix > > # This is for the repository, since it's stuff that I may change > > ## Ports > > # the ports_net module > ports-net > # the ports_lang module > ports-lang > # the ports_devel module > ports-devel > # the ports_security module > ports-security > # the ports_sysutils module > ports-sysutils > > ## Main Source Tree. > > # already done below - no module needed; here for CVSROOT > src-base > # the etc module > src-etc > # the include module > src-include > # the lib module > src-lib > # the sys module > src-sys > > # change to installing > *default prefix=/var/usr > > # This is for ports, so the tag is . > *default tag=. > > ## Ports > > ports-archivers > ports-base > ports-comms > ports-editors > # needed for XEmacs: > ports-graphics > ports-mail > ports-misc > ports-print > ports-shells > ports-textproc > ports-www > > # this is for the main source code, e.g. stable > *default tag=RELENG_2_2 > > ## Main Source Tree > > src-base > src-bin > src-contrib > src-gnu > src-libexec > src-release > src-sbin > src-share > src-tools > src-usrbin > src-usrsbin > > src-crypto > src-secure > > The above is more complicated than the norm, since I'm working on some > changes to some of the source code (mainly for ipfilter). I did a > cvs checkout of the appropriate ports and (using -r RELENG_2_2) src > directories. > > The make buildworld failed when it tried building stuff in the > usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc which attempted to include a file > pccard/cardinfo.h. From examining > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-CVS/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/dumpcis.c,v, > the problem appears to be that cvsup fetched an incompatible version of > the dumpcis.c file, which has a change from including pccard/card.h to > including pccard/cardinfo.h. > > Since I have no need for the pccard stuff, I've done the temporary fix > of removing pccard from the SUBDIRS in the src/usr.sbin Makefile, but: > A. this is not suitable for someone who wants the pccard stuff > and B. this goes away, IIRC, the next time I do a cvsup. > Therefore, any assistance would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > -Allen > > Here's the possibly significant sections of the make buildworld > logfile I created using make buildworld |& tee make.buildworld.log: > [edited... - Allen] > ===> usr.sbin/pccard > ===> usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc > rm -f .depend > mkdep -f .depend -a -I/var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/../pccardd -I/usr/obj/var/usr/src/tmp/usr/include /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/dumpcis.c /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/enabler.c /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/pccardc.c /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/pccardmem.c /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/printcis.c /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/rdattr.c /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/rdmap.c /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/rdreg.c /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/../pccardd/readcis.c /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/wrattr.c /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/wrreg.c > /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/dumpcis.c:40: pccard/cardinfo.h: No such file or directory > /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/enabler.c:40: pccard/cardinfo.h: No such file or directory > /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/pccardmem.c:38: pccard/cardinfo.h: No such file or directory > /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/printcis.c:38: pccard/cardinfo.h: No such file or directory > /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/rdattr.c:32: pccard/cardinfo.h: No such file or directory > /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/rdmap.c:39: pccard/cardinfo.h: No such file or directory > /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/rdreg.c:40: pccard/cardinfo.h: No such file or directory > /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/../pccardd/readcis.c:39: pccard/cardinfo.h: No such file or directory > /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/wrattr.c:40: pccard/cardinfo.h: No such file or directory > /var/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/wrreg.c:40: pccard/cardinfo.h: No such file or directory > mkdep: compile failed > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 04:40:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA12374 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 04:40:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from toth.ferginc.com (toth.ferginc.com [205.139.23.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA12321 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 04:39:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from branson@toth.ferginc.com) Received: (from branson@localhost) by toth.ferginc.com (You_Can/Keep_Guessing) id HAA14877; Wed, 13 May 1998 07:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980513073840.58457@toth.FergInc.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:38:40 -0400 From: Branson Matheson To: Amancio Hasty Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. Reply-To: Branson.Matheson@FergInc.com References: <15069.892630061@time.cdrom.com> <199804151034.DAA12985@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199804151034.DAA12985@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 03:34:24AM -0700 Organization: Ferguson Enterprises, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 03:34:24AM -0700,Amancio Hasty did mutter: > Most Cool!! > > So where are the artists because we need some cool FreeBSD theme movies! I am working on one. It is to the tune of Rush, The Body Electric... more to come as I work. - branson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Branson Matheson " If you are falling off of a mountain, Unix System Administrator You may as well try to fly." Ferguson Enterprises, Inc. - Delenn, Minbari Ambassador ( $statements = ) !~ /Corporate Opinion/; To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 05:52:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA21823 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 05:52:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA21657 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 05:51:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA08496; Wed, 13 May 1998 05:42:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: vak@cronyx.ru cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: request for major device number In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 14:13:07 +0400." Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 05:42:48 -0700 Message-ID: <8491.895063368@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Please, rename it to: > > 99 ct Cronyx/Tau serial adapter > > And please, change also the comments of another > Cronyx driver: > > 42 cx Cronyx/Sigma serial adapter Done - please let me know next time you want a major number just what it's supposed to look like and we can do this in one step instead of two. :) Also, any reaction to the comments that the Sigma driver has been very poorly maintained in FreeBSD? I'd hate to see the same thing happen to the Tau driver if this is true. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 06:29:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA28079 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:29:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from crox.net.kiae.su (crox.net.kiae.su [144.206.130.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA28045 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:29:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crox.net.kiae.su!vak) Received: by crox.net.kiae.su id RAA00626; (8.8.8/vak/1.8a) Wed, 13 May 1998 17:29:22 +0400 (MSD) To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <8491.895063368@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: Organization: Cronyx Ltd. Date: Wed, 13 May 98 17:29:22 +0400 X-Mailer: BML [UNIX Beauty Mail v.1.39] From: vak@cronyx.ru Subject: Re: request for major device number Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Also, any reaction to the comments that the Sigma driver has been > very poorly maintained in FreeBSD? I'd hate to see the same thing happen > to the Tau driver if this is true. The version of the Sigma driver in FreeBSD is really obsoleted. The latest version is also always available from www.cronyx.ru, and the users seemed to be quite happy with the situation, that's why I did not bothered with it. Now I am preparing both the Tau and Sigma drivers for committing to FreeBSD-current. Both hardware-level drivers are pretty completed and stable. In the protocol level, which exist now as the separate module (thanks to Joerg Wunsch) and is used by several other drivers, there is a lot of directions for development: multi-link PPP support, data compression, encryption, Frame Relay protocol and so on. The Cronyx will continue to support FreeBSD drivers for Sigma and Tau adapters. I am ready to take part in any FreeBSD community activities concerning the support of these drivers. ___ Regards, Serge --- Serge Vakulenko Cronyx Engineering Ltd., Moscow Digital communication hardware development, phone/fax: +7 (095) 196-40-53 Internet services, FreeBSD support To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 06:31:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA28722 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:31:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA28660 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:31:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA08789; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:30:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: vak@cronyx.ru cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: request for major device number In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 17:29:22 +0400." Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 06:30:05 -0700 Message-ID: <8786.895066205@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The Cronyx will continue to support FreeBSD drivers > for Sigma and Tau adapters. I am ready to take part > in any FreeBSD community activities concerning the support > of these drivers. Excellent! That's really good to hear, thanks. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 06:39:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA00488 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:39:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA00466 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 06:39:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA04205; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:35:37 -0400 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199805131335.JAA04205@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: NISplus, SecureRPC To: roberte@MEP.Ruhr-Uni-Bochum.de (Robert Eckardt) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805122132.XAA00791@ghost.mep.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> from "Robert Eckardt" at May 12, 98 11:32:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Robert Eckardt had to walk into mine and say: > Hi, > > since searching in the mail archives revealed nothing new, I try asking > on this forum whether someone is (still) working on implementing NIS+ > (at least the client part) on FreeBSD and if so what is the status ? > > It seems that Linux has support for NIS+ clients. Is this usable > from FreeBSD ? If you are asking: can I use the Linux NIS+ code with FreeBSD, the answer is no. First, the code needs to be ported. Second, you also need some kind of name service switch to use it, which FreeBSD doesn't have. If you are asking: does FreeBSD have any NIS+ support itself, the answer is no, not yet Yes, I am still working on NIS+ support for FreeBSD-current, however I've been sidetracked by other things recently (like writing a device driver and real work, and, oh, little inconsequential things like sleep). > Is the SecureRPC implementation complete and available to Non-US-citizens ? For the Nth time: Secure RPC itself is not subject to export restrictions. Secure RPC does not, in itself, contain any crypto code and only performs authentication operations, not data encryption. If you've downloaded and installed a FreeBSD-current snapshot, then you already have Secure RPC. The only complication is that in order to use it to interoperate with other systems, you have to install the DES distribution in order to get libdes.so. If you do this, then Secure RPC will work just fine. If you don't, it will still work, but it will only use 40-bit RC4 encrtyption which other systems using DES won't be able to understand. > The reason I ask is simply that I would like to add a FreeBSD-driven PC in > a NIS+-administered network. Be patient. If I'm really lucky, I just might be able to get the code imported in time for FreeBSD 3.0. _However_ we don't have a mechanism in place yet to do the work of a name service switch, so while you'll probably be able to use FreeBSD 3.0 as an NIS+ server, it may not work as a client. Now that BIND 8 has been imported there may be more of a chance to have it work since libbind contains IRS, which works much like the name service switch, however it hasn't yet been merged into libc from what I can tell. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 08:24:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15282 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:24:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from elit.elit.chernigov.ua (elit.elit.chernigov.ua [193.125.84.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14995 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:23:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from al@cn.ua) Received: from cn.ua (al@dragon.cinet.cn.ua [193.125.84.115]) by elit.elit.chernigov.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19619 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:22:57 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <3559BAD0.C398FF11@cn.ua> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:22:56 +0300 From: Alexey Lukin Organization: JSC CINET X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Q. Work on boot code for Intel Flash 2 PCMCIA card? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, hackers! Does anyone already working on boot code for Intel Flash cards 2 and 2+ series (PCMCIA)? If so, please drop me a note. I'm going to make FreeBSD booting from PCMCIA Flash card. Goal is FreeBSD-based diskless router with serial console and a lot of various network interfaces. Another solution for this task is to produce special ISA board with boot ROM and flash matrix, but I'll do it as "last resort" 'cos of difficulties with co-operation in development. I guess it's much easier to get PCMCIA interface+ flash card and make router more powerfull that CISCO or BAY :-) BTW, Linux community already has support for _bootable_ flash cards: http://hyper.stanford.edu/~dhinds/pcmcia/home.html It's relatively easy to boot Linux from anywhere using "inird" support in kernel. But I like FreeBSD :-) Bye, SY, Look_in To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 08:46:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18368 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:46:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA18360; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:46:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15534; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:46:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805131546.IAA15534@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 to: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Letter to DOJ: Microsoft vs. the Software Industry In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 11 May 1998 08:33:32 PDT." <199805111533.IAA05539@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:46:06 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you have not filed pleased do so , "Texas Attorney General Dan Morales who had been leading a multi state investigation of Microsoft backed off his crusade under pressure from computer-makers in his state, include Dell Computer and Compaq Computer." I don't think that I called the above law so file with the DOJ and your State Attorney and if you are a foreigner show your support and pick any State Attorney. If you have a friend or a neat forum post the letter or your opinion. If you are a linux or use a different OS file, file , file with the government! It takes less than a minute and *YOU* can make a difference . Do it and Do it now!! Amancio ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The time to act is NOW!!! I just register my complain with the California State Attorney and the DOJ. Since this is not a formal vote and it is a global concerned , all are invited to file a complain. You are not restricted to file a complain with the California State Attorney in my case it just happen to be where I live.In fact, since it is not known which State Attorney is going to file an Anti-Trust Law suit against Microsoft it is a good idea to file your complain with your local State Attorney . If you disagree with the wording of the complain feel free to modify the complain or write your own. The important aspect is to get involved and do register an opinion. All we are asking is that if the Anti-Trust Laws are applicable to be enforced in the case of the business practices of Microsoft. California state attorney's web page which I easily found thru Yahoo: http://caag.state.ca.us/ DOJ's Anti Trust Division contact web page: http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your Honor, The purpose of this letter is to ask you to block Microsoft's Win98 release until it is clear that its monopolistic practice ceases. I believe that one of the tightest strong-holds that Microsoft has on the PC industry is that Windows is bundled with virtually every PC now sold. This serves as a way to block any other competing operating system and sets the stage for application dominance by Microsoft. Enclosed is Ralph Nader's letter which was submitted to major PC manufacturers. Naturally, there was no response from the PC manufacturers. Clearly, PC manufacturers need to have reassurance that if they start distributing alternative operating systems no retribution from Microsoft will be forthcoming. To not act in this matter will clearly stiffle the creative process in the software industry. Sincereley Yours, Exhibit A This is a web pointer to a letter sent to Compaq, Dell, Gateway 2000, Hewlett-Packard, Micron, and Packard Bell-NEC. http://www.essential.org/antitrust/ms/compaq.html Exhibit B For further information on Microsoft's Monopolistic behavior see: http://www.essential.org/antitrust/microsoft/microsoft.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 09:27:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24302 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:27:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA24283; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:26:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15791; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:26:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199805131626.JAA15791@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: ben@rosengart.com cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Letter to DOJ: Microsoft vs. the Software Industry In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 12:14:46 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:26:36 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Given that the Texas State Attorney has backed up off from the Microsoft vs Software Industry Trust issue, mail your comments to the Texas State attorney . Do it , Do it now and guess what ? You All are invited to mail . Got a friend ask him to email ! Texas State Attorney contact info: http://www.oag.state.tx.us/ email: dan.morales@oag.state.tx.us California state attorney's web page which I easily found thru Yahoo: http://caag.state.ca.us/ They have a contact us button DOJ's Anti Trust Division contact web page: http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/index.html email: antitrust@usdoj.gov Texas State Attorney contact info: http://www.oag.state.tx.us/ email: dan.morales@oag.state.tx.us For ease, you can always cut and paste my complain: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your Honor, The purpose of this letter is to ask you to block Microsoft's Win98 release until it is clear that its monopolistic practice ceases. I believe that one of the tightest strong-holds that Microsoft has on the PC industry is that Windows is bundled with virtually every PC now sold. This serves as a way to block any other competing operating system and sets the stage for application dominance by Microsoft. Enclosed is Ralph Nader's letter which was submitted to major PC manufacturers. Naturally, there was no response from the PC manufacturers. Clearly, PC manufacturers need to have reassurance that if they start distributing alternative operating systems no retribution from Microsoft will be forthcoming. To not act in this matter will clearly stiffle the creative process in the software industry. Sincereley Yours, Exhibit A This is a web pointer to a letter sent to Compaq, Dell, Gateway 2000, Hewlett-Packard, Micron, and Packard Bell-NEC. http://www.essential.org/antitrust/ms/compaq.html Exhibit B For further information on Microsoft's Monopolistic behavior see: http://www.essential.org/antitrust/microsoft/microsoft.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 09:53:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29769 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:53:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rfcnet.com (rfcnet.com [207.227.20.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29762 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:53:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mattc@rfcnet.com) Received: (from mattc@localhost) by rfcnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10654; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:52:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from mattc) Message-ID: <19980513115242.A10613@rfcnet.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:52:42 -0500 From: Matthew Cashdollar To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: why /var/log/ppp.log Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i x-no-archive: yes Organization: RF Communications, Inc. http://www.rfcinc.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Why does PPP use /var/log/ppp.log and/or /var/log/slip.log by default. Doesn't the directory name 'log' imply that the files stored there are logfiles?? I always rename /var/log/ppp.log to /var/log/ppp -- just wondering if there is some reason that it is named differently than the other log files. -- Matthew Cashdollar RF Communications, Inc. -- http://www.rfcinc.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 10:31:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04231 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 10:31:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from att.com (kcgw1.att.com [192.128.133.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA04225 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 10:31:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbabkin@dcn.att.com) From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: by kcgw1.att.com; Wed May 13 12:31 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by kcig1.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA22675 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:31:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:30:55 -0400 Message-ID: To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, al@cn.ua Subject: RE: Q. Work on boot code for Intel Flash 2 PCMCIA card? Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 13:30:52 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > ---------- > From: Alexey Lukin[SMTP:al@cn.ua] > > I'm going to make FreeBSD booting from PCMCIA Flash card. Goal is > FreeBSD-based diskless router with > serial console and a lot of various network interfaces. > > Another solution for this task is to produce special ISA board with > boot > ROM and flash matrix, > but I'll do it as "last resort" 'cos of difficulties with co-operation > in development. > > I guess it's much easier to get PCMCIA interface+ flash card and make > router more powerfull that CISCO or BAY :-) > I think the best solution would be to make an ISA card (yes, ISA, not PCI because there are many other good things to insert into PCI slots while ISA slots are commonly unused) that makes interface to a flash card through a 8K (or some other small) window, exposing the first 8K of flash memory at boot up. It must be mapped into ISA hole. This will allow to put the bootstrap code into this area of the flash memory, that will be automatically called by any BIOS during boot-up. This bootstrap can then do anything from immediate boot to simulating a floppy drive. May be a good idea would be to have two independently mapped 8K or 4K sized windows for convenience of the bootstrap code. -Serge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 11:08:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10876 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:08:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tnt.isi.edu (tnt.isi.edu [128.9.128.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10834 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:07:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@ISI.EDU) Received: from ISI.EDU (vex-s.isi.edu [128.9.192.240]) by tnt.isi.edu (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA04213; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805131807.LAA04213@tnt.isi.edu> To: Branson.Matheson@FergInc.com Cc: Amancio Hasty , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 07:38:40 EDT." <19980513073840.58457@toth.FergInc.com> X-Url: http://www.isi.edu/~faber Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:07:20 -0700 From: Ted Faber Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Branson Matheson wrote: >On Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 03:34:24AM -0700,Amancio Hasty did mutter: >> So where are the artists because we need some cool FreeBSD theme movies! > > I am working on one. It is to the tune of Rush, The Body Electric... > more to come as I work. Barf-O. (Just never liked that album.) If you're doing Rush songs, I recommend Red Barchetta. The nimble, old system outperforming the glossy, bloated, authoritarian pursuer is a much better operating systems fable. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ted Faber faber@isi.edu USC/ISI Computer Scientist http://www.isi.edu/~faber (310) 822-1511 x190 PGP Key: http://www.isi.edu/~faber/pubkey.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNVnhV4b4eisfQ5rpAQGkDwP+OTekdwCWXTQOvt15jGe534n9fWxmANZL M4365CBrOjeNzQOL11omzb5opXLrlAw4P5//YhPWztjzzTADQ2ZRuTw0AyzSweKC 5qmSi1HnDahDhRlxwHWgskMxJdoan6KiZCCeb002QwEj8C6sUclIOyN8rMwfTF+f ZSg6QqbVVtg= =uPMa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 11:41:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18821 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:41:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18788 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:41:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5) id UAA10458 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:41:29 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199805131841.UAA10458@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: sched_setscheduler() usage? To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:41:28 +0200 (SAT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, The latest versions of ntp4 detects that we have sched_setscheduler(2) and try to use it with this piece of code: ------------------- # if defined(HAVE_SCHED_SETSCHEDULER) { struct sched_param sched; sched.sched_priority = sched_get_priority_min(SCHED_FIFO); if ( sched_setscheduler(0, SCHED_FIFO, &sched) == -1 ) { msyslog(LOG_ERR, "sched_setscheduler(): %m"); } } # else /* not HAVE_SCHED_SETSCHEDULER */ ------------------- The problem is that this seems to give ntpd a lower priority (something like idle priority) because any normal priority program that is cpu intensive will starve ntpd totally. So should this piece of code result in higher priority than normal programs (like the rtprio stuff) or is this piece of code broken? I assume the ntp guys wanted ntpd to be scheduled at a relatively high priority to keep delays and jitter to a minimum. Another question, where does the sched_setscheduler() priorities fit in with the rest of our priorities? I have started to look through the kernel code, but because I don't know what its relationship to the rest of the priorities should be, it is difficult to figure out where the problem is. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 11:46:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19652 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:46:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from 12.64.2.62 (62.san-francisco-03.ca.dial-access.att.net [12.64.2.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA19604 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:46:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trinity@my-office.com) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805131846.LAA19604@hub.freebsd.org> From: trinity@my-office.com To: INTERNET, ASSOCIATE@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FREE WEBSITE & BAHAMAS CRUISE! X-Reply-To: trinity@my-office.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG NO NEED TO SEND ROMOVE THIS EMAIL WILL BE SENT OUT ONLY ONCE! FREE WEBSITE AND BAHAMAS CRUISE FOR 2 JUST REPLY YES I WANT A WEBSITE! REPLY TO trintiy@my-office.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 12:04:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23140 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:04:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (root@mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23101; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:04:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id OAA25910; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:03:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Amancio Hasty cc: ben@rosengart.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Letter to DOJ: Microsoft vs. the Software Industry In-Reply-To: <199805131626.JAA15791@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just wanted to backup amancio's request for everyone to do this 30 second cut and paste job and mail your local Attorney General and the DOJ. I mailed the DOJ and the texas AG *MY* AG is to lame to have an email address *sigh* But I called her, but no call back yet. Everyone should do this NOW!!!!!! N-O-W!!!!!!! Chris -- "I don't do favors, I accumulate debts" ===================================| Open Systems Networking And Consulting. FreeBSD 2.2.6 is available now! | Phone: 316-326-6800 -----------------------------------| 1402 N. Washington, Wellington, KS-67152 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting-Network Engineering-Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQENAzPemUsAAAEH/06iF0BU8pMtdLJrxp/lLk3vg9QJCHajsd25gYtR8X1Px1Te gWU0C4EwMh4seDIgK9bzFmjjlZOEgS9zEgia28xDgeluQjuuMyUFJ58MzRlC2ONC foYIZsFyIqdjEOCBdfhH5bmgB5/+L5bjDK6lNdqD8OAhtC4Xnc1UxAKq3oUgVD/Z d5UJXU2xm+f08WwGZIUcbGcaonRC/6Z/5o8YpLVBpcFeLtKW5WwGhEMxl9WDZ3Kb NZH6bx15WiB2Q/gZQib3ZXhe1xEgRP+p6BnvF364I/To9kMduHpJKU97PH3dU7Mv CXk2NG3rtOgLTEwLyvtBPqLnbx35E0JnZc0k5YkABRO0JU9wZW4gU3lzdGVtcyA8 b3BzeXNAb3Blbi1zeXN0ZW1zLm5ldD4= =BBjp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 12:48:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01313 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:48:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01271; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:48:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA07667; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:48:36 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id VAA15149; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:48:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980513214835.64383@follo.net> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:48:35 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Amancio Hasty Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Letter to DOJ: Microsoft vs. the Software Industry References: <199805131626.JAA15791@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805131626.JAA15791@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Wed, May 13, 1998 at 09:26:36AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 09:26:36AM -0700, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Given that the Texas State Attorney has backed up off from the Microsoft vs > Software Industry Trust issue, mail your comments to the Texas State > attorney . Do it , Do it now and guess what ? You All are invited > to mail . Got a friend ask him to email ! [...] > For ease, you can always cut and paste my complain: Here is mine (though it will be more efficient if you write your own - or at least you can rewrite the first portion, which doesn't flow very well): ----- Forwarded message from Eivind Eklund ----- Message-ID: <19980513214528.05773@follo.net> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:45:28 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: dan.morales@oag.state.tx.us Subject: Microsoft investigation Your Honor, I hereby request that you reconsider your decision to allow Windows 98 to be released without a further investigation. This is about Microsoft using their monopoly to try to make the web part of their property (as opposed to the present state, where the basic web technology is based on common standards, viewable by everyone). If they succeed in making the Web (or even a large fraction thereof) accessible from MS-Windows only, they've managed to (a) establish a tax on information (and we'll be talking about _large_ fractions of all publicly available information), and (b) locked out all competing operating systems - thus establishing a monopoly that will be close to impossible to remove. The issues to weight this against is extreme short-term profit motives, and the slight delay of new technology deployment that the investigation will result in if (and only if) you find that their "integration"[1] is OK. This new technology is (in my opinion as a software engineer) not a radical improvement, such as the step from Windows 3.11 to Windows 95 was - it is a small, incremental change with little impact for software developers and little impact on the efficiency of end users. Weighting against a tax on information, this technology advancement is in my opinion negligible. [1] I'm using quotes here, because it is my professional estimate that creating a technical opening for "integrating" another web-browser would be less than 2000 lines extra code. In comparison, the entire Internet Explorer has in excess of 1000 times as much code (that is, more than two million lines of code). In faith of you choosing the right solution for shaping a good future, Eivind Eklund ----- End forwarded message ----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 13:23:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09038 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:23:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08732 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:21:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00336; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:00:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199805132000.VAA00336@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Matthew Cashdollar cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 11:52:42 CDT." <19980513115242.A10613@rfcnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:00:15 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Why does PPP use /var/log/ppp.log and/or /var/log/slip.log by default. Doesn't > the directory name 'log' imply that the files stored there are logfiles?? > > I always rename /var/log/ppp.log to /var/log/ppp -- just wondering if there is > some reason that it is named differently than the other log files. When I originally picked up ppp, it used this name.... when it was syslogd()ified, it kept the name. There's no good reason (except that it's now what everyone knows). > -- > Matthew Cashdollar > RF Communications, Inc. -- http://www.rfcinc.com -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 13:46:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13588 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:46:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hda.hda.com (hda-bicnet.bicnet.net [208.220.66.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13452 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:45:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dufault@hda.hda.com) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA28520; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:41:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199805132041.QAA28520@hda.hda.com> Subject: Re: sched_setscheduler() usage? In-Reply-To: <199805131841.UAA10458@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> from John Hay at "May 13, 98 08:41:28 pm" To: jhay@mikom.csir.co.za (John Hay) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The real time priorities SCHED_FIFO and SCHED_RR are in the class of the RTPRIO priorities and should be treated identically. They share the same scheduling code. SCHED_FIFO processes don't round robin across same level priorities while SCHED_RR do. We have a three level scheme: 1. Idle priority; 2. Normal time sharing; 3. rtprio / SCHED_FIFO / SCHED_RR. Your sample should indeed preempt normal timesharing processes. If this isn't working contact me offline and I'll send you some regression tests to see if it has broken, or if I'm broken. I don't explicitly have a test that verifies that the minimum SCHED_FIFO scheduler works. I assume you have configured in the scheduler stuff? > Another question, where does the sched_setscheduler() priorities fit > in with the rest of our priorities? I have started to look through > the kernel code, but because I don't know what its relationship to > the rest of the priorities should be, it is difficult to figure out > where the problem is. I'll check the man page and clarify this. I've had to give up my crash box for a while so I can't check this. Peter -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime development, Machine control, HD Associates, Inc. Safety critical systems, Agency approval To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 14:13:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17526 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:13:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.atipa.com (altrox.atipa.com [208.128.22.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA17515 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:13:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail 21876 invoked by uid 1017); 13 May 1998 20:10:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:10:42 -0600 (MDT) From: Atipa To: Ted Faber cc: Branson.Matheson@FergInc.com, Amancio Hasty , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-Reply-To: <199805131807.LAA04213@tnt.isi.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Branson Matheson wrote: > >On Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 03:34:24AM -0700,Amancio Hasty did mutter: > >> So where are the artists because we need some cool FreeBSD theme movies! > > > > I am working on one. It is to the tune of Rush, The Body Electric... > > more to come as I work. > > Barf-O. (Just never liked that album.) > > If you're doing Rush songs, I recommend Red Barchetta. The nimble, > old system outperforming the glossy, bloated, authoritarian pursuer is > a much better operating systems fable. I'd recommed The Police's "Ghost in the Machine" if you wanted Win95 support. :) Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 14:46:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23981 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:46:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23973 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:46:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11529; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:44:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Brian Somers cc: Matthew Cashdollar , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 21:00:15 BST." <199805132000.VAA00336@awfulhak.org> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:44:26 -0700 Message-ID: <11526.895095866@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > When I originally picked up ppp, it used this name.... when it was > syslogd()ified, it kept the name. There's no good reason (except > that it's now what everyone knows). Hey, speaking of names, how about renaming (over time) the rather ill-named -alias flag to -nat? :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 15:16:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29502 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:16:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29320 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:16:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA11110; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:15:55 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id AAA15673; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:15:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980514001550.53205@follo.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:15:50 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Brian Somers Cc: Matthew Cashdollar , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log References: <199805132000.VAA00336@awfulhak.org> <11526.895095866@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <11526.895095866@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Wed, May 13, 1998 at 02:44:26PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, May 13, 1998 at 02:44:26PM -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > When I originally picked up ppp, it used this name.... when it was > > syslogd()ified, it kept the name. There's no good reason (except > > that it's now what everyone knows). > > Hey, speaking of names, how about renaming (over time) the rather > ill-named -alias flag to -nat? :-) Possibly a good idea, due to the general confusion over terminology. Aliasing is only a subset of the possible NAT forms. The library should definately have been named libnat, at least :-) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 16:52:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18357 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:52:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18068; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:50:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from enigma003@aol.com) From: enigma003@aol.com Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA20770; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:49:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:49:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from a14.pm3-15.theriver.com(206.26.123.142) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020358; Wed May 13 18:48:30 1998 Subject: Turf Tek Message-Id: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN charset=US-ASCII To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG 5/13/984:44 PM Greetings Golf Enthusiast Welcome, This mailing is being sent to you since you have shown an intrest in Golfing. 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Thank you for your time, Paul Sanderson Turf-Tek paul-sanderson@email.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 18:32:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05121 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:32:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (mailman.cisco.com [171.68.225.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05110 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:32:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsecula@cisco.com) Received: from tsecula2.cisco.com (tsecula-isdn.cisco.com [171.70.247.144]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.2-SunOS.5.5.1.sun4/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with SMTP id SAA04281 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980513212416.006ee1cc@diablo.cisco.com> X-Sender: tsecula@diablo.cisco.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:24:26 -0400 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Tom Secula Subject: isp billing s/w Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG has anyone developed an application for isp billing that can use exported cisco netflow records or could poll the cisco ip precedence accounting mib ? - Tom Secula - voice 609-478-4579 - fax 609-478-2842 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 19:23:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12673 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:23:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA12668 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:23:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA01849; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:53:20 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980514115320.X320@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:53:20 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Vinum: first alpha release available Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG 14 May 1998 The first alpha version of vinum is now available for download at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/vinum/vinum-0.01.tar.gz. Vinum is available under a Berkeley-style copyright. This version of vinum contains a subset of the final functionality, roughly equivalent to the ccd driver. In particular, the following restrictions apply: Automatic startup is not yet complete. It is currently necessary to re-configure the volumes every time the subsystem is started. This operation does not change the data on the disks. Detection of differences between the version of the kernel and the LKM is not yet implemented. Detaching plexes and subdisks has not yet been implemented. Reintegration of failed disks has not yet been implemented. vinum requires a special version of newfs, which has not yet been committed. The current version places some restrictions on volume names. See the documentation for further information. This version of vinum will run (hopefully) on FreeBSD 2.2.6 and recent versions of 3.0-CURRENT. It may also run on 2.2.5, but I haven't tested it. Due to changes in -CURRENT, it will not compile on versions older than about mid-March 1998. Due to licensing restrictions, this version does not contain the RAID5 functionality. If you are interested in testing this, please contact me privately. Don't use this version for performance testing. I have a lot of debug code in there, some of which is quite slow. At the moment, my main concern is stability. Documentation for this version includes man pages (vinum(4) and vinum(8)) and a user's guide, currently (for convenience) in /usr/src/sbin/vinum/doc. You can build PostScript versions of any of these by building the appropriate file (vinum4.ps, vinum8.ps or userguide.ps) in this directory. For convenience' sake, the distribution includes the PostScript file /usr/src/sbin/vinum/doc/userguide.ps. This document is intended to be formatted with troff; you can format it with nroff, but it will look funny. I don't intend to fix this. The documentations Makefile also refers to a file notes.*, which will contain technical notes when it is finished. All documents refer to the RAID5 functionality. Please ignore them for the time being. If you use this version, *PLEASE* give me some feedback, even if things work fine. In particular, of course, I'd like to hear of any problems you have either with the software or the documentation. I'll also accept requests for enhancement, but don't expect to see them in the near future: there's still a lot of code to be written. Greg Lehey 14 May 1998 -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 19:52:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16523 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:52:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16440 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:51:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA21822; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:51:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd021749; Wed May 13 19:51:32 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA03936; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:51:14 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805140251.TAA03936@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log To: eivind@yes.no (Eivind Eklund) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 02:51:14 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, brian@awfulhak.org, mattc@rfcnet.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980514001550.53205@follo.net> from "Eivind Eklund" at May 14, 98 00:15:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > When I originally picked up ppp, it used this name.... when it was > > > syslogd()ified, it kept the name. There's no good reason (except > > > that it's now what everyone knows). > > > > Hey, speaking of names, how about renaming (over time) the rather > > ill-named -alias flag to -nat? :-) > > Possibly a good idea, due to the general confusion over terminology. > Aliasing is only a subset of the possible NAT forms. The library > should definately have been named libnat, at least :-) If you want to use the name it's called in the RFC's, you should use the term "transparent proxy" or just "proxy" for short. The term "NAT" is generally meaningless, and doesn't imply some things that it should, while at the same time imply some things it shouldn't. It's too "fuzzy" to be truly meaningful. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 13 20:15:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20954 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:15:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA20940 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:15:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA17957; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:14:18 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id FAA17607; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:14:17 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980514051417.25127@follo.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 05:14:17 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Terry Lambert Cc: brian@awfulhak.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log References: <19980514001550.53205@follo.net> <199805140251.TAA03936@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805140251.TAA03936@usr08.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Thu, May 14, 1998 at 02:51:14AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 14, 1998 at 02:51:14AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Hey, speaking of names, how about renaming (over time) the rather > > > ill-named -alias flag to -nat? :-) > > > > Possibly a good idea, due to the general confusion over terminology. > > Aliasing is only a subset of the possible NAT forms. The library > > should definately have been named libnat, at least :-) > > If you want to use the name it's called in the RFC's, you should > use the term "transparent proxy" or just "proxy" for short. 'Transparent proxy' is not what we've got. We've got NAT - see RFC1631. I hope we'll get transparent proxy support in libalias, but it isn't too high on my list of priorities at the moment. > The term "NAT" is generally meaningless, and doesn't imply some things > that it should, while at the same time imply some things it shouldn't. > It's too "fuzzy" to be truly meaningful. I'm not sure I follow you - for me, NAT is a very specific technology: Translating packets in transit to do manipulation of the address space. Transparent proxy, on the other hand, is a technology that re-assemble a stream (the easiest way of getting correct results for FTP/IRC(/CVSup?)) and then do a separate connection for that stream. I can see the reasons for letting the definition for 'transparent proxy' flow to include the 'alias-to-single-address' versions of NAT (because it gives the exact same results if done properly), but I can't see how 'NAT' is fuzzy. Help me? Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 00:01:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA21782 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:01:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA21706 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:01:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA21821; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:01:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd017436; Wed May 13 23:25:06 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA21648; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:25:04 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805140625.XAA21648@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log To: eivind@yes.no (Eivind Eklund) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 06:25:04 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, brian@awfulhak.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980514051417.25127@follo.net> from "Eivind Eklund" at May 14, 98 05:14:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Possibly a good idea, due to the general confusion over terminology. > > > Aliasing is only a subset of the possible NAT forms. The library > > > should definately have been named libnat, at least :-) > > > > If you want to use the name it's called in the RFC's, you should > > use the term "transparent proxy" or just "proxy" for short. > > 'Transparent proxy' is not what we've got. We've got NAT - see > RFC1631. I hope we'll get transparent proxy support in libalias, but > it isn't too high on my list of priorities at the moment. RFC1631 is informational. RFC1919 is informational. RFC1918, however, documents best current practice (it is officially "BCP5"). RFC1631 notes the use of a routable net, and specifically suggests the use of a class A network, cv: RFC1597. "NAT" is for IPV4 address space reuse. Even so, the terms "Masquerading" and "Network Address Translation" have bugged me since they first began to be used to describe an RFC1597 (obsoleted by RFC1918, but predating RFC1631) transparent proxy. >From memory, the first use of these terms in reference to BSD came about from certain unnamed OS advocates trolling the FreeBSD "misc" usenet group asking "why doesn't FreeBSD support this feature?", using their own terminology because they had reinvented the feature without bothering to read the RFC's to notice that they weren't inventing something new, but rediscovering history. Nothing is more annoying than "not invented here" unless it's "not invented before". You will note that a NAT *MUST* have proxy facilities (FTP is specifically mentioned on page 7). Perhaps most damning is the inability to implement RFC1631 Figure 2 topologies, and private network spanning of a public backbone (a topology much better addressed by GRE and PTPP). The "-alias" option is *NOT* "NAT". > > The term "NAT" is generally meaningless, and doesn't imply some things > > that it should, while at the same time imply some things it shouldn't. > > It's too "fuzzy" to be truly meaningful. > > I'm not sure I follow you - for me, NAT is a very specific technology: > Translating packets in transit to do manipulation of the address space. > > Transparent proxy, on the other hand, is a technology that re-assemble > a stream (the easiest way of getting correct results for > FTP/IRC(/CVSup?)) and then do a separate connection for that stream. I think you are fonfusing "NAT" with "ALG" -- Application Level Gateway (or "classical application proxy"). You can tell the difference between them when you go to do route autodiscovery. The table on page 31 of RFC1919 makes this even clearer. > I can see the reasons for letting the definition for 'transparent > proxy' flow to include the 'alias-to-single-address' versions of NAT > (because it gives the exact same results if done properly), but I > can't see how 'NAT' is fuzzy. Help me? The "-alias" option doesn't do what RFC1631 says NAT does. The effect is the same. In general, the "NAT" terminology is imprecise. Imprecision is annoying, especially when its tied to historical trolls. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 00:07:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA23048 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:07:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA23035 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 00:06:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22156; Thu, 14 May 1998 07:59:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199805140659.HAA22156@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Brian Somers , Matthew Cashdollar , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Charles Mott Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 May 1998 14:44:26 PDT." <11526.895095866@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 07:59:07 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > When I originally picked up ppp, it used this name.... when it was > > syslogd()ified, it kept the name. There's no good reason (except > > that it's now what everyone knows). > > Hey, speaking of names, how about renaming (over time) the rather > ill-named -alias flag to -nat? :-) Probably not a bad idea. libalias would have to change to libnat too though (for consistency).... Any views Charles (cc'd) ? > - Jordan > -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 02:02:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA13750 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA13735 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:02:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0yZttv-002ZkXC; Thu, 14 May 98 11:02 MET DST Received: from bert.kts.org(really [194.55.156.2]) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with smtp id for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:29:14 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #3 built 1998-Feb-14) Received: by bert.kts.org via sendmail with stdio id for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:25:27 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-Jul-4) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: (Free)BSD social event in Hamburg, June 20/21 1998 To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Hackers) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:25:27 +0200 (CEST) Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, there will be a (Free-)BSD "social event" taking place at my home near Hamburg, Germany on the weekend of June 20 and 21. It is just meant to spend a weekend together and talk to each other face to face instead of just exchanging mail all the time. You need to bring a sleeping bag and an air mattress with you. If you are interested in participating please contact me directly for details. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe "Those who can, do. Those who can't, talk. And those who can't talk, talk about talking." (B. Shaw) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 02:27:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA17297 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:27:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA17290 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:27:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA03585; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:25:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Terry Lambert cc: eivind@yes.no (Eivind Eklund), brian@awfulhak.org, mattc@rfcnet.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 May 1998 02:51:14 -0000." <199805140251.TAA03936@usr08.primenet.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 02:25:07 -0700 Message-ID: <3580.895137907@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If you want to use the name it's called in the RFC's, you should > use the term "transparent proxy" or just "proxy" for short. Which will only confuse the hell out of people all over again when they confuse it with something like socks. RFS or not, I think that's a bad idea. > The term "NAT" is generally meaningless, and doesn't imply some things It's no more or less than what various hardware devices for doing essentially the same thing back in the 80's called themselves, and that's meaningful enough for me. We've also got a "natd" already, so it's self-consistent. That's good enough for me, and the topic is a religious enough one that any dissenting opinions can be safely ignored. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 02:42:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA19850 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:42:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA19837 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:42:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA21707; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:45:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:45:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: sbabkin@dcn.att.com cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, al@cn.ua Subject: RE: Q. Work on boot code for Intel Flash 2 PCMCIA card? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 13 May 1998 sbabkin@dcn.att.com wrote: > > I'm going to make FreeBSD booting from PCMCIA Flash card. Goal is > > FreeBSD-based diskless router with > > serial console and a lot of various network interfaces. Heh! :-) This is the subject of the week... Just few hours ago I received mail from two (independently working) guys who try to do the same, and one of them even succeeded! :-)) (I'll put more info on www.freebsd.org/~abial). I already asked Jonathan Bresler for creating mailing list for this type of discussion. It'll be called freebsd-small, and will cover the issues of small, unusual FreeBSD installations (such as picobsd and embedded applications). You're welcome to join it as soon as it springs into existence.... > > I guess it's much easier to get PCMCIA interface+ flash card and make > > router more powerfull that CISCO or BAY :-) Hmm... This would need some serious work (configuration management, improved routing code, special memory management constraints etc..) but I'd say it's tempting enough... :-) I even collected some interesting pointers, just in case... > I think the best solution would be to make an ISA card (yes, ISA, > not PCI because there are many other good things to insert into > PCI slots while ISA slots are commonly unused) that makes interface > to a flash card through a 8K (or some other small) window, exposing > the first 8K of flash memory at boot up. It must be mapped into ISA > hole. This will allow to put the bootstrap code into this area of the > flash memory, that will be automatically called by any BIOS during > boot-up. This bootstrap can then do anything from immediate boot > to simulating a floppy drive. May be a good idea would be to have > two independently mapped 8K or 4K sized windows for convenience of > the bootstrap code. Have you done any testing with something similar, or written some code...? Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 04:17:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05534 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:17:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05517 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:17:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au) Message-Id: <199805141117.EAA05517@hub.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA019764487; Thu, 14 May 1998 21:14:47 +1000 From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log To: brian@Awfulhak.org (Brian Somers) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 21:14:47 +1000 (EST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, brian@Awfulhak.org, mattc@rfcnet.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, cmott@srv.net In-Reply-To: <199805140659.HAA22156@awfulhak.org> from "Brian Somers" at May 14, 98 07:59:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In some mail from Brian Somers, sie said: > > > > When I originally picked up ppp, it used this name.... when it was > > > syslogd()ified, it kept the name. There's no good reason (except > > > that it's now what everyone knows). > > > > Hey, speaking of names, how about renaming (over time) the rather > > ill-named -alias flag to -nat? :-) > > Probably not a bad idea. libalias would have to change to libnat too > though (for consistency).... Any views Charles (cc'd) ? It's misleading and inaccurate to refer to the "-alias" flag as the "-nat" flag. Darren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 04:17:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05547 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:17:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05524 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:17:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au) Message-Id: <199805141117.EAA05524@hub.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA020244646; Thu, 14 May 1998 21:17:27 +1000 From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: Vinum: first alpha release available To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 21:17:26 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980514115320.X320@freebie.lemis.com> from "Greg Lehey" at May 14, 98 11:53:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What is vinum and what will it be ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 04:21:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA06712 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:21:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA06706 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:21:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA24396; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd024394; Thu May 14 11:13:07 1998 Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 04:13:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Hellmuth Michaelis cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: (Free)BSD social event in Hamburg, June 20/21 1998 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ah the Weekend after USENIX.. I'l be in New Orleans playing tourist :-) On Thu, 14 May 1998, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > Hi, > > there will be a (Free-)BSD "social event" taking place at my home near > Hamburg, Germany on the weekend of June 20 and 21. > > It is just meant to spend a weekend together and talk to each other face > to face instead of just exchanging mail all the time. > > You need to bring a sleeping bag and an air mattress with you. > > If you are interested in participating please contact me directly for details. > > hellmuth > -- > Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe > "Those who can, do. Those who can't, talk. > And those who can't talk, talk about talking." (B. Shaw) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 04:33:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA08870 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:33:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA08833 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:33:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [194.198.43.36]) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA04476; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:30:39 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id NAA19009; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:30:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980514133038.26270@follo.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:30:38 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Terry Lambert Cc: brian@awfulhak.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log References: <19980514051417.25127@follo.net> <199805140625.XAA21648@usr05.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805140625.XAA21648@usr05.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Thu, May 14, 1998 at 06:25:04AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 14, 1998 at 06:25:04AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > 'Transparent proxy' is not what we've got. We've got NAT - see > > RFC1631. I hope we'll get transparent proxy support in libalias, but > > it isn't too high on my list of priorities at the moment. > > RFC1631 is informational. RFC1919 is informational. RFC1918, however, > documents best current practice (it is officially "BCP5"). > > RFC1631 notes the use of a routable net, and specifically suggests > the use of a class A network, cv: RFC1597. > > "NAT" is for IPV4 address space reuse. That is one of it's uses. It can also be used e.g. to do load-balancing. > Even so, the terms "Masquerading" and "Network Address Translation" > have bugged me since they first began to be used to describe an > RFC1597 (obsoleted by RFC1918, but predating RFC1631) transparent > proxy. I agree that they are abused, and I agree that in some setups pure NAT functions indistingushable from a transparent proxy setup. That doesn't mean they're the same, any more than 'man' and 'woman' are the same, even if you sometimes can't see the difference when they're wearing coveralls. > You will note that a NAT *MUST* have proxy facilities (FTP is > specifically mentioned on page 7). I disagree with "*MUST*" here. A NAT that want to support protocols using separate connections back to the client from the server need special handling (which could be considered a proxy, but I'm slightly uncertain about whether this is correct, given that > Perhaps most damning is the inability to implement RFC1631 Figure 2 > topologies, and private network spanning of a public backbone (a > topology much better addressed by GRE and PTPP). Can do, though it can be inconvenient to setup - the interface is none too good. I'm planning to go back and look at that, but it goes along with a set of rewrites of other parts of the system (it has to hook in with IPFW and routing to be done properly). > The "-alias" option is *NOT* "NAT". Beg to differ. > > > The term "NAT" is generally meaningless, and doesn't imply some things > > > that it should, while at the same time imply some things it shouldn't. > > > It's too "fuzzy" to be truly meaningful. > > > > I'm not sure I follow you - for me, NAT is a very specific technology: > > Translating packets in transit to do manipulation of the address space. > > > > Transparent proxy, on the other hand, is a technology that re-assemble > > a stream (the easiest way of getting correct results for > > FTP/IRC(/CVSup?)) and then do a separate connection for that stream. > > I think you are fonfusing "NAT" with "ALG" -- Application Level > Gateway (or "classical application proxy"). Absolutely not, and I'm not certain how you could get that impression. NATwork on a packet-by-packet basis, and doesn't require any modifications. A classical proxy works by connecting to a host and sending in-band data, getting it to connect somewhere else. I don't see how I could confuse them. > You can tell the difference between them when you go to do route > autodiscovery. Sure. > The table on page 31 of RFC1919 makes this even clearer. The table lists only properties we agree on. I'm just arguing that NAT is a specific technology that can be used as a part of transparent proxies or on its own. On its own it can be used both as something that look like a transparent proxy (and probably meet the definition) and to do other translations. > > I can see the reasons for letting the definition for 'transparent > > proxy' flow to include the 'alias-to-single-address' versions of NAT > > (because it gives the exact same results if done properly), but I > > can't see how 'NAT' is fuzzy. Help me? > > The "-alias" option doesn't do what RFC1631 says NAT does. The effect > is the same. I've always considered NAT to be _any_ Network Address Translator - ie, a program that change IP-packets in transit to modify where they appear to come from or go to. With that defintion it's fairly precise, I think. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 04:37:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA10019 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:37:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA10012 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:37:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA04465; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:35:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Darren Reed cc: brian@Awfulhak.org (Brian Somers), mattc@rfcnet.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, cmott@srv.net Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 May 1998 21:14:47 +1000." <199805141116.EAA04353@time.cdrom.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 04:35:48 -0700 Message-ID: <4462.895145748@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In some mail from Brian Somers, sie said: > > > > > > When I originally picked up ppp, it used this name.... when it was > > > > syslogd()ified, it kept the name. There's no good reason (except > > > > that it's now what everyone knows). > > > > > > Hey, speaking of names, how about renaming (over time) the rather > > > ill-named -alias flag to -nat? :-) > > > > Probably not a bad idea. libalias would have to change to libnat too > > though (for consistency).... Any views Charles (cc'd) ? > > It's misleading and inaccurate to refer to the "-alias" flag as the > "-nat" flag. -alias doesn't win many points for being accurate or even particularly unambiguous either. ifconfig, a close neighbor to ppp, also sports an alias flag which people come frequently into contact with when doing virtual web hosting. Your better suggestion please? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 05:19:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17045 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:19:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (daemon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17008 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:19:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au) Message-Id: <199805141219.FAA17008@hub.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA025337690; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:08:10 +1000 From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:08:10 +1000 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4462.895145748@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at May 14, 98 04:35:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In some mail from Jordan K. Hubbard, sie said: > > > In some mail from Brian Somers, sie said: > > > > > > > > When I originally picked up ppp, it used this name.... when it was > > > > > syslogd()ified, it kept the name. There's no good reason (except > > > > > that it's now what everyone knows). > > > > > > > > Hey, speaking of names, how about renaming (over time) the rather > > > > ill-named -alias flag to -nat? :-) > > > > > > Probably not a bad idea. libalias would have to change to libnat too > > > though (for consistency).... Any views Charles (cc'd) ? > > > > It's misleading and inaccurate to refer to the "-alias" flag as the > > "-nat" flag. > > -alias doesn't win many points for being accurate or even particularly > unambiguous either. ifconfig, a close neighbor to ppp, also sports > an alias flag which people come frequently into contact with when > doing virtual web hosting. Your better suggestion please? Oh, I thought this was about ifconfig :) Given that the term "masquerading" is used throughout the man page, maybe call it "--masquerade-as" (or -m for short) ? Other than that, I'm not really concerned - just another modern product with misleading functionality claims. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 05:40:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA20039 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:40:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA19993 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:40:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id UAA17395; Thu, 14 May 1998 20:39:10 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199805141239.UAA17395@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Darren Reed cc: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Vinum: first alpha release available In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 May 1998 21:17:26 +1000." <199805141117.EAA05524@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 20:39:10 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Darren Reed wrote: > > What is vinum and what will it be ? > According to the first line of the README: "This is an alpha version of vinum, a volume manager for FreeBSD." Greg should have mentioned this.. :-) Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 06:09:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24699 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:09:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from att.com (kcgw2.att.com [192.128.133.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA24694 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:09:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbabkin@dcn.att.com) From: sbabkin@dcn.att.com Received: by kcgw2.att.com; Thu May 14 07:51 CDT 1998 Received: from dcn71.dcn.att.com ([135.44.192.112]) by kcig2.att.att.com (AT&T/GW-1.0) with ESMTP id IAA24582 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:09:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: by dcn71.dcn.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:09:40 -0400 Message-ID: To: abial@nask.pl Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, al@cn.ua Subject: RE: Q. Work on boot code for Intel Flash 2 PCMCIA card? Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:09:35 -0400 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > ---------- > From: Andrzej Bialecki[SMTP:abial@nask.pl] > > > I think the best solution would be to make an ISA card (yes, ISA, > > not PCI because there are many other good things to insert into > > PCI slots while ISA slots are commonly unused) that makes interface > > to a flash card through a 8K (or some other small) window, exposing > > the first 8K of flash memory at boot up. It must be mapped into ISA > > hole. This will allow to put the bootstrap code into this area of > the > > flash memory, that will be automatically called by any BIOS during > > boot-up. This bootstrap can then do anything from immediate boot > > to simulating a floppy drive. May be a good idea would be to have > > two independently mapped 8K or 4K sized windows for convenience of > > the bootstrap code. > > Have you done any testing with something similar, or written some > code...? > No. That's why I wrote "would be". But writing the bootstrap code in case such a card would exist would be very straightforward. Simulation of a floppy drive will require to intercept interrupt 14h (if I remember correctly) and then you can use the ordinary floppy boot code. Bootstrapping immediately from the flash would not be difficult either, just take the standard boot code, replace calls to BIOS with flash memory reads and write a small piece of code that brings the main bootstrap to memory. -Serge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 06:29:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA28437 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:29:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA28428 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:29:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01698; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:29:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <355AF1B4.3B4565F3@tdx.co.uk> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:29:24 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darren Reed CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Vinum: first alpha release available References: <199805141117.EAA05524@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Vinum is Greg Lehey's very promising replacement for CCD... It lets you 'join' disks in a system together to gain more speed, redundancy (i.e. store the same data on 2 disks in case one fails) etc. It is not finished yet - Greg has just released the first Alpha version, which is for people to test... Not recomended for the faint hearted at the moment, but it does look very promising... Greg did have a web page with some details on, but I think I mislayed the URL... :-( Regards, Karl Pielorz Darren Reed wrote: > > What is vinum and what will it be ? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 07:32:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08276 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 07:32:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from versa.eng.comsat.com (versa.eng.comsat.com [134.133.169.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08190 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 07:31:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@versa.eng.comsat.com) Received: (from marc@localhost) by versa.eng.comsat.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id RAA02550; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 17:46:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 17:26:24 -0500 (EST) Organization: Comsat Mobile Communications From: Marc Giannoni To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: NETCCITT and NETISO Cc: jhk@time.cdrom.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello: I'm interested in 'resurrecting' the support for X.25 and ISO networking. Is anybody else already doing this? If NOT... I've obtained sources from an old 2.1-RELEASE cdrom (likely obsolete) and placed them in a 'stable' source tree. After some hacking about, I was able to configure and attempt to compile a kernel with the CCITT, ISO, LLC, HDLC options. From what I can tell, all that needs to be done (for the thing to compile) is to sort out function prototyping and some other delcarations. I plan to aquire a Arnet Sync/570i Wan card, and I have access to an X.25 network, so I'll be in a position to perform operational testing soon. Our organization uses X.25, and the platform which performs this activity has some serious Y2K issues. FreeBSD and Intel promise to be a viable alternative since I am planning to 'rehost' this system. First, however, I'll have to set up a testbed and prove that this can be done. (This application is not that fancy or special) This is my first attempt to actually contribute something of value so a little help negotiating the 'community interface' would be appreciated. Thanks Marc Giannoni Sr. Software Engineer Comsat Mobile Communications Marc.Giannoni@Comsat.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 07:49:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11252 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 07:49:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from TomQNX.tomqnx.com (ott-pm6-01.comnet.ca [206.75.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA11222 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 07:49:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@tomqnx.com) Received: by TomQNX.tomqnx.com (Smail3.2 #1) id m0yZzJH-00087aC; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: root@tomqnx.com (Tom Torrance at home Root) Subject: SCSI probe failed To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:48:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I did a cvsup, make world, then compiled a new kernel yesterday. This is the result: Copyright (c) 1992-1998 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE #0: Thu May 14 08:28:47 EDT 1998 tom@tomqnx.tomqnx.com:/ccd/src/sys/compile/TOMQNX CPU: i486 DX2 (486-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x435 Stepping=5 Features=0x3 real memory = 83886080 (81920K bytes) avail memory = 79577088 (77712K bytes) eisa0: Probing for devices on the EISA bus ahc0: at 0x2c00-0x2cff eisa0:2 attach failed ------------- added comment----------------- This should have read: eisa0: Probing for devices on the EISA bus ahc0: at 0x2c00-0x2cff irq 15 on eisa0 slot 2 ahc0: aic7770 >= Rev E, Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 4 SCBs ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle ahc0: target 0 Tagged Queuing Device (ahc0:0:0): "QUANTUM FIREBALL_TM3200S 300N" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 3067MB (6281856 512 byte sectors) sd0(ahc0:0:0): with 6810 cyls, 5 heads, and an average 184 sectors/track (ahc0:1:0): "HP 2213A C938" type 0 fixed SCSI 1 sd1(ahc0:1:0): Direct-Access 633MB (1296512 512 byte sectors) sd1(ahc0:1:0): with 1457 cyls, 16 heads, and an average 55 sectors/track (ahc0:2:0): "HP 2213A C938" type 0 fixed SCSI 1 sd2(ahc0:2:0): Direct-Access 633MB (1296512 512 byte sectors) sd2(ahc0:2:0): with 1457 cyls, 16 heads, and an average 55 sectors/track (ahc0:3:0): "HP 2213A C938" type 0 fixed SCSI 1 sd3(ahc0:3:0): Direct-Access 633MB (1296512 512 byte sectors) sd3(ahc0:3:0): with 1457 cyls, 16 heads, and an average 55 sectors/track (ahc0:6:0): "HP T4000s 1.07" type 1 removable SCSI 2 st0(ahc0:6:0): Sequential-Access density code 0x0, drive empty --------------End of added comment--------------- Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> pca0 on motherboard pca0: PC speaker audio driver sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface lpt1 at 0x278-0x27f on isa psm0 at 0x60-0x64 irq 12 on motherboard psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in fd1: 1.2MB 5.25in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0x80ff on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , multi-block-64 wd0: 504MB (1032192 sectors), 1024 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wt0 at 0x300-0x301 irq 5 drq 1 on isa wt0: type 1 3C5x9 board(s) on ISA found at 0x210 ep0 at 0x210-0x21f irq 11 on isa ep0: aui/bnc[*BNC*] address 00:60:8c:de:bf:e1 joy0 at 0x201 on isa joy0: joystick npx0 msize 81920 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface ccd0: Concatenated disk driver To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 07:55:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA12315 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 07:55:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from srv.net (snake.srv.net [199.104.81.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA12294 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 07:54:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cmott@srv.net) Received: from darkstar.home (cmott.srv.net [199.104.81.25]) by srv.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA10173; Thu, 14 May 1998 08:53:14 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 07:52:43 -0700 (MST) From: Charles Mott X-Sender: cmott@darkstar.home To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Darren Reed , Brian Somers , mattc@rfcnet.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log In-Reply-To: <4462.895145748@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 14 May 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > In some mail from Brian Somers, sie said: > > > > > > > > When I originally picked up ppp, it used this name.... when it was > > > > > syslogd()ified, it kept the name. There's no good reason (except > > > > > that it's now what everyone knows). > > > > > > > > Hey, speaking of names, how about renaming (over time) the rather > > > > ill-named -alias flag to -nat? :-) > > > > > > Probably not a bad idea. libalias would have to change to libnat too > > > though (for consistency).... Any views Charles (cc'd) ? > > > > It's misleading and inaccurate to refer to the "-alias" flag as the > > "-nat" flag. > > -alias doesn't win many points for being accurate or even particularly > unambiguous either. ifconfig, a close neighbor to ppp, also sports > an alias flag which people come frequently into contact with when > doing virtual web hosting. Your better suggestion please? > > - Jordan The library has been developing to have an increasingly generalized NAT capability. When it started out, I called it "packet aliasing". One suggestion is to change the ppp flag to -pktalias or -pkt_alias, since this is closer to the original intent. With all due respect to Darren, I think that -nat would not also be a fairly good option name for ppp. I'm also not averse to changing libalias to libnat and reworking some of the function names. Ari Suutari and I were doing some work to make a libalias3.0 which would support transparent proxying. Maybe the released version of this should be libnat. Personally, I think the ifconfig alias option is equally confusing and should be called a secondary or virtual ip address. I think "secondary" would actually be the most appropriate term rather than "alias" for ifconfig. Charles Mott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 09:19:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27872 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:19:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com [205.162.1.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27839 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:18:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jas@flyingfox.com) Received: (from jas@localhost) by biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28425; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:19:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199805141619.JAA28425@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> To: al@cn.ua, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q. Work on boot code for Intel Flash 2 PCMCIA card? Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG There are flash cards out there that present as an IDE disk. Both the BIOS and FreeBSD "see" them as IDE drives, so no driver work is needed (well, you need a screwdriver to install them :-)). See http://www.adtron.com/sddaover.htm and http://www.sandisk.com. Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 09:22:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28668 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:22:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28412 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:21:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05683; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:20:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Marc Giannoni cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NETCCITT and NETISO In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 21 Jan 2000 17:26:24 EST." Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:20:33 -0700 Message-ID: <5680.895162833@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm interested in 'resurrecting' the support for X.25 and ISO networking. > Is anybody else already doing this? If NOT... You are on your own here, I think. :-) It would be nice to have them back if someone were actually interested in maintaining them over the long term as well as simply making them compile again. If that's your intention, cool! I say go for it. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 10:19:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07478 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:19:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from novell.com (prv-mail20.Provo.Novell.COM [137.65.40.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA07471 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:19:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DARREND@novell.com) Received: from INET-PRV-Message_Server by novell.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:18:53 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:18:16 -0600 From: "Darren Davis" To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Intel adds Linux to Merced... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id KAA07472 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just saw a news story in a UK edition of PC Week. There is an announcement that Intel is working with Red Hat, VA Research, and Cygnus to port Linux to Merced (Intels 64 bit processor). Has there been anythought given to approaching Intel and working out a deal to have FreeBSD ported to Merced? Just a thought, Darren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 10:44:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA11029 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:44:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ringer.cisco.com (ringer.cisco.com [171.69.176.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA11013 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:44:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from amcrae@cisco.com) Received: (amcrae@localhost) by ringer.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/8.6.5) id DAA00034 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:43:50 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew McRae Message-Id: <199805141743.DAA00034@ringer.cisco.com> Subject: CFP - AUUG 98 (Invitation to FreeBSD folks) To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 03:43:50 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Fellow FreeBSD'ers, I am the program chair for AUUG 98, the Australian equivalent of the Usenix technical conference. I have attached a call for papers, and I would especially like to invite people who have a technical paper relating to FreeBSD. It is likely that we will have dedicated streams for freely available systems like Linux, FreeBSD etc. Cheers, Andrew McRae (amcrae@cisco.com) ------------- CALL FOR PAPERS AUUG98 Conference September 14-18, 1998 Sydney Hilton Hotel Sydney, Australia Theme: "Open Systems: The Common Thread" The 1998 AUUG winter conference will be held at the Sydney Hilton Hotel, New South Wales, Australia, between September 16th and 18th. The conference will be preceded by two days of tutorials, on September 14th and 15th. The program committee invites proposals for papers and tutorials relating to: o Technical aspects of Unix and Open Systems o New developments in open software systems, languages and applications o Networking, Internet (including the World Wide Web) and Security o Business and Management Experience and Case Studies o Freely available systems such as Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD etc. The theme of this years conference is "Open Systems: The Common Thread". The program committee will interpret the theme very broadly with the aim of highlighting the breadth of applicability for Open Systems. As always, papers and tutorials with a strong technical flavour are particularly welcome. Presentations may be given as tutorials, technical papers, or management studies. Technical papers are designed for those who need in-depth knowledge, whereas management studies present case studies of real-life experiences in the conference's fields of interest. Tutorials may be either 1/2 day or full day and have a strong practical focus. All presentations must be accompanied by a written paper for the conference proceedings. Speakers may select one of two presentation formats: * Technical presentation: a 25 minute talk, with 5 minutes for questions; * Management presentation: a 20-25 minute talk, with 5-10 minutes for questions (ie a total 30 minutes); Panel sessions will also be timetabled in the conference and speakers should indicate their willingness to participate, and may like to suggest panel topics. Tutorials, which may be of either a technical or management orientation, provide a more thorough presentation, of either a half-day or full-day duration. Representing the largest Unix and Open Systems event held in Australia this conference offers an unparallelled opportunity to present your ideas and experiences to an audience with a major influence on the direction of computing in Australia. SUBMISSION GUIDELINES Those proposing to submit papers should submit an extended abstract (1-3 pages) and a brief biography, and clearly indicate their preferred presentation format. Those submitting tutorial proposals should submit an outline of the tutorial and a brief biography, and clearly indicate whether the tutorial is of half-day or full-day duration. SPEAKER INCENTIVES Presenters of papers are afforded complimentary conference registration. Tutorial presenters may select 25% of the profit of their session OR complimentary conference registration. Past experience suggests that a successful tutorial session of either duration can generate a reasonable return to the presenter. IMPORTANT DATES Abstracts/Proposal Due: May 29, 1998 Authors notified: June 12, 1998 Final copy due: August 7, 1998 Tutorials: September 14-15, 1998 Conference: September 16-18, 1998 Proposals should be sent to: AUUG Inc. PO Box 366 Kensington NSW AUSTRALIA 2003 Email: auug98@auug.org.au ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 11:17:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17094 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:17:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA16835 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:16:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA13905 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG); Thu, 14 May 1998 20:15:44 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA01204; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:58:37 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199805141758.TAA01204@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-Reply-To: from Atipa at "May 13, 98 02:10:42 pm" To: freebsd@atipa.com (Atipa) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:58:37 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: faber@ISI.EDU, Branson.Matheson@FergInc.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Atipa wrote... > > > Branson Matheson wrote: > > >On Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 03:34:24AM -0700,Amancio Hasty did mutter: > > >> So where are the artists because we need some cool FreeBSD theme movies! > > > > > > I am working on one. It is to the tune of Rush, The Body Electric... > > > more to come as I work. > > > > Barf-O. (Just never liked that album.) > > > > If you're doing Rush songs, I recommend Red Barchetta. The nimble, > > old system outperforming the glossy, bloated, authoritarian pursuer is > > a much better operating systems fable. > > I'd recommed The Police's "Ghost in the Machine" if you wanted Win95 > support. :) Na. "Another One Bites The Dust" by Queen seems more appropriate. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 13:14:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04536 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:14:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nest.bistbn.com (yury@nest.bistbn.com [209.88.174.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04473 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:14:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yury@nest.bistbn.com) Received: (from yury@localhost) by nest.bistbn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id XAA01684; Thu, 14 May 1998 23:13:53 +0300 (IDT) (envelope-from yury) From: Yuri Krichevsky Message-Id: <199805142013.XAA01684@nest.bistbn.com> Subject: Serial port driver patch (update for 2.2.6-R) To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:13:53 +0300 (IDT) Cc: grog@lemis.com, roberps@louisville.stortek.com, alessandro@digicron.com Reply-To: yury@luckynet.co.il X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi. Here is updated patch (that can be applied to FreeBSD-2.2.6-R ) for sio driver. If you using motherboard with UART from Acer Labs (for example, IWill motherboard), and FreeBSD can't detect your serial port - this patch is for you ;-) You can get it from WWW also : http://nest.bistbn.com/~yury/FreeBSD/sio.patch/sio.patch.2.2.5-R (for FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE) http://nest.bistbn.com/~yury/FreeBSD/sio.patch/sio.patch.2.2.6-R (for FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE) BTW, 2Mike: where is promised workaround in 2.2.6 ? :( NB: DONT use this patch if you don't have any problem with serial port detection ! *** /sys/i386/isa/sio.c.orig Sun Mar 8 11:57:35 1998 --- /sys/i386/isa/sio.c Thu May 14 22:39:07 1998 *************** *** 489,495 **** struct isa_device *dev; { static bool_t already_init; ! bool_t failures[10]; int fn; struct isa_device *idev; Port_t iobase; --- 489,495 ---- struct isa_device *dev; { static bool_t already_init; ! bool_t failures[12]; int fn; struct isa_device *idev; Port_t iobase; *************** *** 653,668 **** enable_intr(); result = IO_COMSIZE; ! for (fn = 0; fn < sizeof failures; ++fn) ! if (failures[fn]) { ! outb(iobase + com_mcr, 0); ! result = 0; ! if (COM_VERBOSE(dev)) ! printf("sio%d: probe test %d failed\n", ! dev->id_unit, fn); ! } ! return (result); ! } #ifdef COM_ESP static int --- 653,719 ---- enable_intr(); result = IO_COMSIZE; ! ! ! /* ! * Patch (C) Yuri Krichevsky (yury@bistbn.com) ! * ! * If we have'nt found serial port yet, maybe it's strange ! * serial port... (like on IWill motherboard) ! * ! * ! * !WARNING! It's only temporary solution ! Use this patch only if ! * you have problems with serial ports ! ! * ! */ ! if (sizeof failures) { ! { ! result = IO_COMSIZE; ! ! /* ! * Probing port as described in article ! * 'The Serial Port' (C) Chris Blum (chris@phil.uni-sb.de) ! * http://colargol.tihlde.hist.no/~bardj/serial/ ! */ ! ! outb(iobase + com_mcr, 0x10); ! if ((inb(iobase + com_msr) & 0xf0)) { ! failures[10] = 1; ! result = 0; ! } else { ! outb(iobase + com_mcr, 0x1f); ! if ((inb(iobase + com_msr) & 0xf0) != 0xf0) { ! failures[11] = 1; ! result = 0; ! } else { ! /* ! * UART detected (I hope, it's UART). ! */ ! outb(iobase + com_cfcr, CFCR_8BITS); ! outb(iobase + com_ier, 0x0); ! outb(iobase + com_mcr, MCR_IENABLE); ! } ! } ! ! } ! } ! /* ! * END of patch ! */ ! if ( !result ) { ! for (fn = 0; fn < sizeof failures; ++fn) ! if (failures[fn]) { ! outb(iobase + com_mcr, 0); ! result = 0; ! if (COM_VERBOSE(dev)) ! printf("sio%d: probe test %d failed\n", ! dev->id_unit, fn); ! } ! } ! ! return (result); ! } ! #ifdef COM_ESP static int To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 13:55:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09586 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:55:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from postman.true.net (s1.admin.true.net [161.196.66.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09547; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:54:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lem@cantv.net) Received: from s2.admin.true.net (mail.cantv.net [161.196.66.21]) by postman.true.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA01976; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:54:08 -0400 (VET) Received: from lem.cantv.net (root@localhost) by s2.admin.true.net (8.8.7/CS-R-1.4) with SMTP id QAA25891; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:54:07 -0400 (VET) X-BlackMail: ws-7.chacao-1.cantv.net, lem.cantv.net, lem@cantv.net, 200.44.44.23 X-Authenticated-Timestamp: 16:54:07(VET) on May 14, 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980514165055.00793c30@pop.cantv.net> X-Sender: lem@pop.cantv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:50:55 -0400 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Luis Munoz Subject: 3Com 905B-TX on a Compaq Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there: I'm installing a couple of servers and running into a couple of problems: - Servers: Compaq Proliant 1600R w/256M RAM, external RAID arrays - SCSI: 2 Adaptec 2944UW. Built-in NCR controllers are disabled. - NICs: 2 3Com 905B-TX FastEtherLink III 10/100. Built-in 10/100 NIC is disabled. - O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE I have two problems: (1) I can't make FreeBSD locate cards on slots 1, 2 or 3 which fall on PCI bus #2. The following is an excerpt from a boot -v. For this, I installed one Adaptec 2944 UW on slot 6 (PCI bus #0) and a 3Com 3C905B-TX on slot 5 (PCI bus #0). I also disabled the built-in NCR controllers and the NIC so as to free more resources. Those are hooked to the PCI bus #0 internally. This is a testing kernel, with many stuff trimmed down. [snip] FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE #0: Fri May 15 11:06:01 GMT 1998 root@myname.my.domain:/usr/src/sys/compile/TEST Calibrating clock(s) ... i586 clock: 266238554 Hz, i8254 clock: 1193146 Hz CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency CLK_USE_I586_CALIBRATION not specified - using old calibration method CPU: Pentium Pro (266.25-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x633 Stepping=3 Features=0x80f9ff real memory = 16777216 (16384K bytes) Physical memory chunk(s): 0x00001000 - 0x0009efff, 647168 bytes (158 pages) 0x0023b000 -0x00ffdfff, 14430208 bytes (3523 pages) avail memory = 14565376 (14224K bytes) eisa0: Probing for devices on the EISA bus pcibus_setup(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x00000000 pcibus_setup(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) pcibus_check: device 0 is there (id=00051166) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices. chip0 rev 0 on pci0:0:0 # and so on... I don't think the rest is relevant. [snip] (2) The 3Com card is not recognized. I went in and modified if_vx_pci.c to add this board-id to it, and then the machine would hang whenever there was a packet in the network. This is the relevant boot -v info [snip] pci0:11: vendor=0x10b7, device=0x9055, class=network (ethernet) int a irq 5 [no driver assigned] map(10): io(6400) map(14): mem32(c6ffef80) [snip] I would like to know if it's possible to have FreeBSD seeing all of the PCI slots/devices in this machine and if there's a driver that would work with the NICs I have. If this is not the case, which 100 Mbit/sec card is the best replacement for this one? Thanks a lot in advance. -lem To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 14:34:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17097 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:34:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.119.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17064 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:34:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218] (may be forged)) by ns1.yes.no (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA10536; Thu, 14 May 1998 21:33:55 GMT Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id XAA21837; Thu, 14 May 1998 23:33:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19980514233348.17594@follo.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:33:48 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Marc Giannoni , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: jhk@time.cdrom.com Subject: Re: NETCCITT and NETISO References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Marc Giannoni on Fri, Jan 21, 2000 at 05:26:24PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 21, 2000 at 05:26:24PM -0500, Marc Giannoni wrote: > Hello: > > I'm interested in 'resurrecting' the support for X.25 and ISO networking. > Is anybody else already doing this? If NOT... Nobody else is AFAIK doing it. There was some talk of resurrecting parts to make it easier to do Token Ring & better IPX support, but so far little has happened. > I've obtained sources from an old 2.1-RELEASE cdrom (likely obsolete) and > placed them in a 'stable' source tree. After some hacking about, I was able > to configure and attempt to compile a kernel with the CCITT, ISO, LLC, HDLC > options. From what I can tell, all that needs to be done > (for the thing to compile) is to sort out function prototyping and > some other delcarations. I'd suggest a different plan of attack (given that you seem to have a reasonable amount of resources available, and as a such probably isn't too squeamish abou diskspace): Download the CVS repository (or copy it off a friend) and keep it updated through CVSup. From this, check out some reasonably old version (say, at the time of RELENG_2_1_0_BP). Compile up and test this version. (Continue until you find a working version). Now, go forward in 'suitable' steps by 'cvs update -Dxxx', taking backups each time. I'd suggest going forward 6 months at a time; if the new version doesn't have working X.25, use a binary search to find the exact commit that broke X.25. From this, you can probably easier find what to fix - then fix it, and keep bringing the version forward (by cvs update) with that fix in. Repeat until you've actually reach -current with a working X.25. If you need more details on the techniques involved with CVS, feel free to ask. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 14:43:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19297 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:43:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (garbanzo@kenya-144.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.227.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19279; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:42:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA00898; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:43:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:43:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: Open Systems Networking cc: Amancio Hasty , ben@rosengart.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Letter to DOJ: Microsoft vs. the Software Industry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 13 May 1998, Open Systems Networking wrote: > > Just wanted to backup amancio's request for everyone to do this 30 second > cut and paste job and mail your local Attorney General and the DOJ. > > I mailed the DOJ and the texas AG *MY* AG is to lame to have an email > address *sigh* But I called her, but no call back yet. > Everyone should do this NOW!!!!!! N-O-W!!!!!!! Better yet, take a few minutes, and snail mail a letter or call. A call is not only a bit more personal, but being deluged with phone calls should certianly give a lasting impression. Or perhaps someone might want to collect some signatures (Embarcadero or Financial District during lunch..). - alex "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 14:52:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21470 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:52:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21283 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:51:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA08955; Thu, 14 May 1998 23:51:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.6.9) id WAA01298; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:47:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:47:02 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: Stefan Bethke Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? Mail-Followup-To: Stefan Bethke , FreeBSD Hackers References: <19980509152137.30068@mi.uni-koeln.de> <116980.3103875008@d254.promo.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <116980.3103875008@d254.promo.de>; from Stefan Bethke on Mon, May 11, 1998 at 11:30:08AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1998-05-11 11:30 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: > --On Sam, 9. Mai 1998 15:21 Uhr +0200 "Stefan Esser" wrote: > > > > On 1998-05-06 11:13 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: > >> --On Die, 5. Mai 1998 23:47 Uhr +0200 "Stefan Esser" > wrote: > >> > On 1998-05-05 11:37 +0200, Stefan Bethke wrote: > >> >> Btw., you might want to adjust the comments in sys/i386/isa/pcibus.c, > >> they > >> >> might prove to be somewhat misleading. > > > Well, the comment is a little misleading, but not wrong, > > nonetheless ... :) > > I don't get it. Before I beat this to death: what affordable book (besides [ The comment is not wrong, pcibus.c implements the PCI BIOS primitives. The functions could be wrappers that call the BIOS in x86 PC compatible system, but it just doesn't make any sense, IMHO. ] > the standards) would you recommend on PCI configuration and the PC-specific > BIOS cruft? "PCI System Architecture" by Tom Shanley and Don Anderson (Mindshare, Inc., Addison Wesley) is a very good book about most aspects of PCI, but deals with the PCI BIOS on only 10 of its 560 pages. (But that is already more than the PCI BIOS deserves, IMHO :) Feel free to ask (in German ;), if you have any specific question ... Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 15:31:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28853 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 15:31:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (intranet.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28828; Thu, 14 May 1998 15:30:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre@pipeline.ch) Received: from pipeline.ch ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA249; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:29:36 +0200 Message-ID: <355B706A.C08A4A3D@pipeline.ch> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:30:02 +0200 From: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Manar Hussain CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bandwidth limiter available References: <199805141623.SAA00965@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> <3.0.5.32.19980514223309.00929c00@stingray.ivision.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Manar Hussain wrote: > > > Are these limits hi-caps per instant on bandwidth? Is it possible > >to configure a limit over a time period or modify this to do so? > > And/or a means to let bandwidth increase if it's available or even better - > set minimum and maximum bandwidths that some pipes can see where the max is > only reached if there is enough free traffic and then never exceeded (or > even some more general rule set means). Use ALTQ: http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/person/kjc/programs.html#ALTQ Does dynamic BW limiting better than a static ipfw rule. To -hackers: When gets this code merged to -current and what about the if_dequeueing abstraction layer Kenjiro Cho is suggesting? Cisco beware! We are on the way with picoBSD booting from PCCARD and Zebra (http://www.zebra.org), a BGP4/OSPFv2/RIPii routing daemon (yea! delete that crappy gated s***). The last thing we need on our way is a Cisco-IOS shell integrating all those features under the well-known IOS command syntax. Beat 'em! (BTW, just my $0.02) -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 16:53:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA11796 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:53:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11730; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:53:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00382; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805142135.OAA00382@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Luis Munoz cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3Com 905B-TX on a Compaq In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 May 1998 16:50:55 EDT." <3.0.5.32.19980514165055.00793c30@pop.cantv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:35:43 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Hi there: > > I'm installing a couple of servers and running into a couple of > problems: > > - Servers: Compaq Proliant 1600R w/256M RAM, external RAID arrays > - SCSI: 2 Adaptec 2944UW. Built-in NCR controllers are disabled. > - NICs: 2 3Com 905B-TX FastEtherLink III 10/100. Built-in 10/100 NIC is > disabled. The '905 revision B is not supported. There is a third-party driver for the built-in NIC (TI ThunderLan) available however. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 17:07:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15148 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:07:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15060; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:07:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00334; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805142303.QAA00334@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" cc: Manar Hussain , isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bandwidth limiter available In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 May 1998 00:30:02 +0200." <355B706A.C08A4A3D@pipeline.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:03:38 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Manar Hussain wrote: > > Use ALTQ: http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/person/kjc/programs.html#ALTQ > > Does dynamic BW limiting better than a static ipfw rule. I can attest to this, having actually watched it in action. > To -hackers: > When gets this code merged to -current and what about the if_dequeueing > abstraction layer Kenjiro Cho is suggesting? I spoke with Cho-san here last week regarding his work and future directions. He is very emphatic about both the ongoing development of ALTQ and its use in deployed systems. I believe that the FreeBSD core are interested in incorporating his work when he feels it is ready. If you want to hear more about ALTQ, Cho Kenjiro will be talking about it at USENIX this year. We hope also to hear from Ito Jun-ichiro about the WIDE group's IPv6 work at an IPv6 BOF and/or the FreeBSD BOF. > Cisco beware! We are on the > way with picoBSD booting from PCCARD and Zebra (http://www.zebra.org), a > BGP4/OSPFv2/RIPii routing daemon (yea! delete that crappy gated s***). Certainly for the low-middle end routing server market, FreeBSD does a reasonable job. We could route IPX a bit better, perhaps. 8) > The last thing we need on our way is a Cisco-IOS shell integrating all > those features under the well-known IOS command syntax. I will say that is, indeed, the very last thing we need. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 18:27:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28865 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:27:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zippy.dyn.ml.org (garbanzo@ghana-132.ppp.hooked.net [206.169.228.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28837 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:26:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by zippy.dyn.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA00539; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:26:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:26:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex X-Sender: garbanzo@zippy.dyn.ml.org To: Wilko Bulte cc: Atipa , faber@ISI.EDU, Branson.Matheson@FergInc.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. In-Reply-To: <199805141758.TAA01204@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 14 May 1998, Wilko Bulte wrote: > As Atipa wrote... > > > > > Branson Matheson wrote: > > > >On Wed, Apr 15, 1998 at 03:34:24AM -0700,Amancio Hasty did mutter: > > > >> So where are the artists because we need some cool FreeBSD theme movies! > > > > > > > > I am working on one. It is to the tune of Rush, The Body Electric... > > > > more to come as I work. > > > > > > Barf-O. (Just never liked that album.) > > > > > > If you're doing Rush songs, I recommend Red Barchetta. The nimble, > > > old system outperforming the glossy, bloated, authoritarian pursuer is > > > a much better operating systems fable. > > > > I'd recommed The Police's "Ghost in the Machine" if you wanted Win95 > > support. :) > > Na. "Another One Bites The Dust" by Queen seems more appropriate. Nah. Help! By the Beatles. Or perhaps Depeche Mode's Policy of Truth ;^) - alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 18:40:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA02079 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:40:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02061 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:40:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA00419; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:10:25 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980515111025.C305@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:10:25 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: tcobb , "'freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: panic: biodone buffer not busy (2.2.6 with DPT) References: <509A2986E5C5D111B7DD0060082F32A402F99D@freya.circle.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <509A2986E5C5D111B7DD0060082F32A402F99D@freya.circle.net>; from tcobb on Tue, May 12, 1998 at 03:12:12AM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 12 May 1998 at 3:12:12 -0400, tcobb wrote: > I am now getting regular (approx. every 3 days) panics on my busy NFS > server with the above error. According to what I can piece together, > there is no 2.2.6 patch which will fix this problem? > > As to details, this occurs on a SCSI-only machine with a DPT RAID > controller. It doesn't require particularly busy SCSI access to trigger > it, though I cannot do so at will. Unfortunately, because this is a > production server I cannot wait for a crashdump before rebooting. I'm surprised you haven't heard from Simon Shapiro on this point. This sounds very much like a driver bug (I keep producing them with my vinum driver :-). Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 18:52:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04790 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:52:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04751 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:52:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00975; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805150047.RAA00975@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Jonathan Lemon cc: Mike Smith , Chuck Robey , Luigi Rizzo , Nicolas.Souchu@prism.uvsq.fr, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISA PnP / snd PnP developments? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 06 May 1998 11:32:22 CDT." <19980506113222.38033@right.PCS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 17:47:36 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > No, the showstopper I ran into at this point has to do with stack > handling for the 16-bit BIOS. Consider: > > - the stack must be located in the first 64K following %ss, > (the stack base address) since the BIOS often throws away > the upper 16-bits. eg: push %esp, pop %sp > > - %ss is also used to handle kernel interrupts. > > - trap.c takes a stack-relative address and tries to use this > as an absolute address, which normally works, since the stack > base is normally at 0. This breaks if we change the stack base > location in order to make the BIOS happy. Eek. Trap.c should be able to adjust to be stack-relative though, right? I'm not sure what else depends on the stack location though - you might want to run any proposal past Peter Wemm, who seems to be familiar with the BSD/OS and NetBSD compatibility issues. > So, I either play some tricks to move the stack into page 0, so that > absolute addressing works as well as base:offset addressing, or I need > to come up with some form of switching stacks when the kernel is entered. > > The latter would probably impact fastintr handlers as well, and (IMHO) > generate an unacceptable performance impact. The former is probably > feasable, but finals here have prevented me from looking at it in more > detail. I'm inclined to think that moving the stack is easier, if possible. Failing that, perhaps it'd be simpler to stick to the real-mode interfaces where possible. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 18:56:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05677 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:56:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (daemon@smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05569 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:56:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26150; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:56:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd026137; Thu May 14 18:56:05 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA15715; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:56:03 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805150156.SAA15715@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log To: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 01:56:03 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805141219.FAA17008@hub.freebsd.org> from "Darren Reed" at May 14, 98 10:08:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Other than that, I'm not really concerned - just another modern product > with misleading functionality claims. I'm concerned that you're not. 8-|. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 19:01:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06723 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:01:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06674 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:01:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11577; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:01:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd011538; Thu May 14 19:01:00 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA15937; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:00:54 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805150200.TAA15937@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log To: eivind@yes.no (Eivind Eklund) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:00:54 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, brian@awfulhak.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980514133038.26270@follo.net> from "Eivind Eklund" at May 14, 98 01:30:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > You will note that a NAT *MUST* have proxy facilities (FTP is > > specifically mentioned on page 7). > > I disagree with "*MUST*" here. A NAT that want to support protocols > using separate connections back to the client from the server need > special handling (which could be considered a proxy, but I'm slightly > uncertain about whether this is correct, given that Datagrams. The "response" bit in the packet header. > I've always considered NAT to be _any_ Network Address Translator - > ie, a program that change IP-packets in transit to modify where they > appear to come from or go to. With that defintion it's fairly > precise, I think. It's an unnecessariky broad net which happens to capture what -alias does (and a bunch of seaweed and a flounder or two). Suffice it to say that it annoys me as much as someone claiming a "MUD" is "Cyberspace", when it's not possible to actually torture someone to death in a "MUD" and have them die in the real world from wounds inflicted. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 19:05:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07963 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:05:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA07935 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:05:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12539; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:05:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd012479; Thu May 14 19:04:59 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA16311; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:04:53 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805150204.TAA16311@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log To: cmott@srv.net (Charles Mott) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:04:53 +0000 (GMT) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au, brian@Awfulhak.org, mattc@rfcnet.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Charles Mott" at May 14, 98 07:52:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > With all due respect to Darren, I think that -nat would not also be a > fairly good option name for ppp. I'm also not averse to changing libalias > to libnat and reworking some of the function names. Ari Suutari and I > were doing some work to make a libalias3.0 which would support > transparent proxying. Maybe the released version of this should be > libnat. Or if it supports transparent proxy, then "libproxy"? > Personally, I think the ifconfig alias option is equally confusing and > should be called a secondary or virtual ip address. I think "secondary" > would actually be the most appropriate term rather than "alias" for > ifconfig. I agree here, though a "secondary" option implies a third would require "tertiary". 8-|. I like "virtual" or "vip", since it describes what it is used for; on the other hand, there's merite to remaining compatible with SunOS, et. al.. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 19:12:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08908 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:12:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08899 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:12:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05612; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:12:18 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd005543; Thu May 14 19:12:08 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA16619; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:11:43 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805150211.TAA16619@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. To: garbanzo@hooked.net (Alex) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:11:42 +0000 (GMT) Cc: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, freebsd@atipa.com, faber@ISI.EDU, Branson.Matheson@FergInc.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Alex" at May 14, 98 06:26:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > I'd recommed The Police's "Ghost in the Machine" if you wanted Win95 > > > support. :) > > > > Na. "Another One Bites The Dust" by Queen seems more appropriate. > > Nah. Help! By the Beatles. Or perhaps Depeche Mode's Policy of Truth ;^) Anything by "Erasure". The "newfs" disc is good, particularly track 0... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 19:20:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10154 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:20:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA10143 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:20:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA00696; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:50:37 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980515115037.I305@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:50:37 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Announcing vinum: a volume manager for FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yesterday I announced the availability of the first alpha release of vinum, but neglected to say what it was. To all those confused, my apologies. Here's an excerpt from the user guide (included in the distribution). You can find the software on ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/vinum/vinum-0.01.tar.gz. Be warned that it's still pretty flaky. Vinum is a logical volume manager modeled after the Veri- tas(R) volume manager. It is not a clone of Veritas, howev- er, and attempts to solve a number of problems more elegant- ly than Veritas. It also offers features that Veritas does not have. This guide explains how to install and configure Vinum on a FreeBSD system. See also the technical notes and the man pages Vinum(4) and Vinum(8). Concepts ________ As used in this document, a volume manager is a software component which isolates file systems from the underlying disk hardware. Instead of building file systems on disk partitions, they are built on volumes. This has a number of advantages: o Volumes may span disk drives. o Volumes may be larger than any drive. o By spreading the disk load over multiple volumes, it is possible to improve performance. o By dynamically increasing the size of a volume, it is pos- sible to solve space problems without repartitioning. o By replicating data within the volume, it is possible to improve availability. o By changing the volume configuration on-line, it is possi- ble to reorganize disk storage on-line. -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 19:29:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11452 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:29:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from srv.net (snake.srv.net [199.104.81.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11431 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:29:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cmott@srv.net) Received: from darkstar.home (cmott.srv.net [199.104.81.25]) by srv.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01257; Thu, 14 May 1998 20:27:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 19:27:06 -0700 (MST) From: Charles Mott X-Sender: cmott@darkstar.home To: Terry Lambert cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au, brian@Awfulhak.org, mattc@rfcnet.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log In-Reply-To: <199805150204.TAA16311@usr01.primenet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 15 May 1998, Terry Lambert wrote: > Or if it supports transparent proxy, then "libproxy"? I like the term "packet aliasing", since that is what the library does in its most general sense. The ifconfig type of alias is really "interface address aliasing". Possibly libalias could be changed to "libpktalias" or "libpacketalias". The library really only operates on packets. It has to be integrated with other programs which feed it packets to rewrite. Changing the library name is easy. Switching from ppp -alias to ppp -pktalias or something else will cause alot of problems for the average user. > > > Personally, I think the ifconfig alias option is equally confusing and > > should be called a secondary or virtual ip address. I think "secondary" > > would actually be the most appropriate term rather than "alias" for > > ifconfig. > > I agree here, though a "secondary" option implies a third would require > "tertiary". 8-|. I guess the idea is that there can be only one "primary" address but many "secondary" addresses. The word is being used more like a priority than an enumeration. Charles Mott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 19:41:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13461 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:41:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freya.circle.net (freya.circle.net [209.95.95.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13454 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:41:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tcobb@staff.circle.net) Received: by freya.circle.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:30:23 -0400 Message-ID: <509A2986E5C5D111B7DD0060082F32A402F9D4@freya.circle.net> From: tcobb To: "'Greg Lehey'" , "'freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: panic: biodone buffer not busy (2.2.6 with DPT) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:30:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Actually, from PRs on this same panic, it appears to be unrelated to exact hardware, excepting that it be a SCSI subsystem. CAM should supposedly fix this IF you're running one of the supported cards (I'm not). This has been quite a crippling bug for a "stable" OS version. We now see panics about every 1.5 days, without warning of course. We're going to roll a 3.0-current release, make sure it is solid, and use that instead. I'd be happy to make the snapshot we create publicly available for use. From hints from other core folks (Thanks John!), it looks like the 11 May 98 -current will likely be the base for it. Thanks! - Troy Cobb Circle Net, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Lehey [mailto:grog@lemis.com] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 1998 9:40 PM To: tcobb; 'freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org' Subject: Re: panic: biodone buffer not busy (2.2.6 with DPT) On Tue, 12 May 1998 at 3:12:12 -0400, tcobb wrote: > I am now getting regular (approx. every 3 days) panics on my busy NFS > server with the above error. According to what I can piece together, > there is no 2.2.6 patch which will fix this problem? > > As to details, this occurs on a SCSI-only machine with a DPT RAID > controller. It doesn't require particularly busy SCSI access to trigger > it, though I cannot do so at will. Unfortunately, because this is a > production server I cannot wait for a crashdump before rebooting. I'm surprised you haven't heard from Simon Shapiro on this point. This sounds very much like a driver bug (I keep producing them with my vinum driver :-). Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 19:54:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16137 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:54:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16128; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:54:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA22563; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:54:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Luis Munoz cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3Com 905B-TX on a Compaq In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980514165055.00793c30@pop.cantv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 14 May 1998, Luis Munoz wrote: > - Servers: Compaq Proliant 1600R w/256M RAM, external RAID arrays > - SCSI: 2 Adaptec 2944UW. Built-in NCR controllers are disabled. > - NICs: 2 3Com 905B-TX FastEtherLink III 10/100. Built-in 10/100 NIC is > disabled. > - O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE If this builtin card is a ThunderLan you should grab Bill Paul's elite new driver which he seems to have worked nearl all the bugs out of. (I'll let him elaborate.) > (2) The 3Com card is not recognized. I went in and modified if_vx_pci.c > to add this board-id to it, and then the machine would hang > whenever there was a packet in the network. This is the relevant > boot -v info Jordan (I believe) mentioned the lack of support for the 905B. /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 19:57:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA16791 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:57:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16751 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 19:57:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA22584; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:56:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Eivind Eklund cc: Marc Giannoni , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, jhk@time.cdrom.com Subject: Re: NETCCITT and NETISO In-Reply-To: <19980514233348.17594@follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 14 May 1998, Eivind Eklund wrote: > Nobody else is AFAIK doing it. There was some talk of resurrecting > parts to make it easier to do Token Ring & better IPX support, but > so far little has happened. For the moment Token Ring and 802.3 IPX (Novell) frame support don't require the Level 2 LLC support. [battle plans deleted[ Also check out the NetBSD/OpenBSD code to ss if they've got any more fixes. /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 21:27:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02415 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 21:27:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02408 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 21:27:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA22408; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:53:54 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199805150423.NAA22408@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Charles Mott cc: Terry Lambert , jkh@time.cdrom.com, avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au, brian@Awfulhak.org, mattc@rfcnet.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 May 1998 19:27:06 MST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:53:54 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Changing the library name is easy. Switching from ppp -alias to ppp > -pktalias or something else will cause alot of problems for the average > user. Hey, have a compatibility option :) It just warns you when you use it.. (ie 'ppp -alias foo' says 'Warning: -alias is a deprecaed option, please use -pktalias instead') --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 22:16:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10250 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:16:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA10234; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:16:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id FAA01765; Fri, 15 May 1998 05:31:30 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805150331.FAA01765@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Bandwidth limiter available To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 05:31:30 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: andre@pipeline.ch, manar@ivision.co.uk, isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805142303.QAA00334@antipodes.cdrom.com> from "Mike Smith" at May 14, 98 04:03:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Manar Hussain wrote: > > > > Use ALTQ: http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/person/kjc/programs.html#ALTQ > > > > Does dynamic BW limiting better than a static ipfw rule. > > I can attest to this, having actually watched it in action. and i fully agree on this. Just want to comment that dummynet and ALTQ are two different things, that maybe could be integrated together at some point. I do think that ALTQ is a more complete package. On the other hand, the advantages of dummynet are, in my opinion, the following: * ability to simulate delays and packet losses; this is very useful for experiments, less useful for real-life apps :) * device-indipendent, since it works at the IP level; ALTQ works at a lower level so it needs to be aware of the interface (and this could be a problem in some cases). * uses ipfw for packet filtering, which makes it easier to configure things (for those already familiar with ipfw). Also, it might save some work since classification is done once both for queueing and firewalling purposes. The latter are probably design choices that ALTQ might benefit from as well. (if you want to compare sizes, the dummynet patches to the kernel are about 1/10 of the size of ALTQ patches; but ALTQ includes also an ATM device driver and other stuff, so the comparison is not very meaningful). > If you want to hear more about ALTQ, Cho Kenjiro will be talking about it > at USENIX this year. We hope also to hear from Ito Jun-ichiro about and just for the records, I have a paper at the FreeNIX track on dummynet and related networking stuff. cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu May 14 22:35:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13740 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:35:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from chen.ml.org (luoqi.watermarkgroup.com [207.202.73.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13726 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:35:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luoqi@chen.ml.org) Received: (from luoqi@localhost) by chen.ml.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA05452 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:35:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from luoqi) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 01:35:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Luoqi Chen Message-Id: <199805150535.BAA05452@chen.ml.org> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Why is expm1() not implemented using f2xm1 i387 instruction? Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am working on a number crunching program which makes numerous calls to expm1(). I checked its implementation in msun, I was surprised that it's not implemented with the f2xm1 i387 instruction, yet exp() is. I wonder if there is any reason why the C implementation is preferred over the FPU instruction? -lq To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 00:00:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24069 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:00:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [158.152.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24063 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:00:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA07668; Fri, 15 May 1998 07:57:09 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199805150657.HAA07668@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: "Daniel O'Connor" cc: Charles Mott , Terry Lambert , jkh@time.cdrom.com, avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au, brian@Awfulhak.org, mattc@rfcnet.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why /var/log/ppp.log In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 May 1998 13:53:54 +0930." <199805150423.NAA22408@cain.gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 07:57:09 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Changing the library name is easy. Switching from ppp -alias to ppp > > -pktalias or something else will cause alot of problems for the average > > user. > Hey, have a compatibility option :) > It just warns you when you use it.. (ie 'ppp -alias foo' says 'Warning: -alias > is a deprecaed option, please use -pktalias instead') If a decision is made fairly quickly, I can change it with the new MP capable ppp. People will already have to tweak a few bits here and there (there'll be a README.changes file). > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | > |http://www.gsoft.com.au | > |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| > |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 00:42:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29688 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:42:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29678; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA09208; Fri, 15 May 1998 00:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd009205; Fri May 15 07:34:25 1998 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:34:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Luigi Rizzo cc: Mike Smith , andre@pipeline.ch, manar@ivision.co.uk, isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bandwidth limiter available In-Reply-To: <199805150331.FAA01765@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > If you want to hear more about ALTQ, Cho Kenjiro will be talking about it > > at USENIX this year. We hope also to hear from Ito Jun-ichiro about > > and just for the records, I have a paper at the FreeNIX track on > dummynet and related networking stuff. And I may give a WIPS session on Whistle's "smart bandwidth" I shall be really looking forward to meeting both you and Kenjiro. julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 01:16:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA05218 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:16:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [194.93.177.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA05062 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:14:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA12748; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:14:14 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Message-ID: <19980515111414.A12691@ucb.crimea.ua> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:14:14 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problems installing things using /usr/share/mk/* Mail-Followup-To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! While recently ``making the world my own'' I noticed the strange thing. One day (see below) I ran ``make buildworld''. Next morning I've ran ``make installworld''. Then, after succussful upgrade, I tried: # cd /usr/src/bin/cat && make -n all cc -O -static -o cat cat.o Why the make wants to build the ``cat'' again, I thought? Here's what were digged: 1. The ${PROG} target depends on ${DESTDIR}/usr/lib/libc.a (line 64 of /usr/share/mk/bsd.prog.mk, RELENG_2_2) In this particular case, the ``cat'' binary depends on /usr/lib/libc.a. 2. /usr/lib/libc.a is older than the /usr/obj/usr/src/bin/cat/cat. -r--r--r-- 1 bin bin 539170 May 12 11:33 /usr/lib/libc.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root bin 539170 May 10 19:52 /usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc/libc.a -rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 63788 May 10 20:31 /usr/obj/usr/src/bin/cat/cat Note, that original libc.a in /usr/obj was built earlier that the ``cat''. That's why the make wants to build the ``cat'' binary again. The reason why /usr/lib/libc.a gets older than the libc.a in /usr/obj is in the way the libs are installed. They are installed with ``install -c'' command. How about to install binaries using ``install -p'' instead of ``install -c''. This will preserve the original modification times of the files being installed and will no confuse the make. There are many ways to implement this. The one I thought of was to define and use something like ``PRESERVE=-p'' in bsd.*.mk. I tried it (modifying /usr/share/mk/*) and was success. Anyone wants to comment? Regards, -- Ruslan Ermilov System Administrator ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank +380-652-247647 Simferopol, Crimea 2426679 ICQ Network, UIN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 01:33:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07186 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:33:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA07175 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:32:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA00171; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:02:54 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980515180254.H1953@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:02:54 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Vinum alpha 0.02 available Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG 15 May 1998 The second alpha version of vinum is now available for download at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/vinum/vinum-0.02.tar.gz. ABOUT VINUM =========== Vinum is a logical volume manager modeled after the Veri- tas(R) volume manager. It is not a clone of Veritas, howev- er, and attempts to solve a number of problems more elegant- ly than Veritas. It also offers features that Veritas does not have. This guide explains how to install and configure Vinum on a FreeBSD system. See also the technical notes and the man pages Vinum(4) and Vinum(8). Concepts ________ As used in this document, a volume manager is a software component which isolates file systems from the underlying disk hardware. Instead of building file systems on disk partitions, they are built on volumes. This has a number of advantages: o Volumes may span disk drives. o Volumes may be larger than any drive. o By spreading the disk load over multiple volumes, it is possible to improve performance. o By dynamically increasing the size of a volume, it is pos- sible to solve space problems without repartitioning. o By replicating data within the volume, it is possible to improve availability. o By changing the volume configuration on-line, it is possi- ble to reorganize disk storage on-line. FIXES IN VERSION 0.02 ===================== - Fix the source format to conform with style(9) - Improve some configuration file checking. This version is not quite as likely to cause the system to spontaneously reboot. - resetconfig no longer causes the system to drop into the debugger on the next create command - I have included a .gdbinit file for testing, if you want to do this. I haven't documented how to do it yet. Contact me or wait a day or two if you want to use this feature. CAVEATS IN THE CURRENT VERSION ============================== A couple of things to observe: - The configuration is not really up to scratch. I know this, but I plan to leave many fixes until I have attained the more basic goal of stable operation. - The partitions used for vinum *must* be of type "unused". This helps avoid shooting yourself in the foot by building a vinum on top of a file system partition. If you try, you will get the message "Drive has invalid partition type". PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENTS ====================== Vinum is available under a Berkeley-style copyright. It is implemented as a loadable kernel module (LKM). This version of vinum contains a subset of the final functionality, roughly equivalent to the ccd driver. In particular, the following restrictions apply: Automatic startup is not yet complete. It is currently necessary to re-configure the volumes every time the subsystem is started. This operation does not change the data on the disks. Detection of differences between the version of the kernel and the LKM is not yet implemented. Detaching plexes and subdisks has not yet been implemented. Reintegration of failed disks has not yet been implemented. vinum requires a special version of newfs, which has not yet been committed. The current version places some restrictions on volume names. See the documentation for further information. This version of vinum will run (hopefully) on FreeBSD 2.2.6 and recent versions of 3.0-CURRENT. It may also run on 2.2.5, but I haven't tested it. Due to changes in -CURRENT, it will not compile on versions older than about mid-March 1998. Due to licensing restrictions, this version does not contain the RAID5 functionality. If you are interested in testing this, please contact me privately. Don't use this version for performance testing. I have a lot of debug code in there, some of which is quite slow. At the moment, my main concern is stability. Documentation for this version includes man pages (vinum(4) and vinum(8)) and a user's guide, currently (for convenience) in /usr/src/sbin/vinum/doc. You can build PostScript versions of any of these by building the appropriate file (vinum4.ps, vinum8.ps or userguide.ps) in this directory. For convenience' sake, the distribution includes the PostScript file /usr/src/sbin/vinum/doc/userguide.ps. This document is intended to be formatted with troff; you can format it with nroff, but it will look funny. I don't intend to fix this. The documentations Makefile also refers to a file notes.*, which will contain technical notes when it is finished. All documents refer to the RAID5 functionality. Please ignore them for the time being. If you use this version, *PLEASE* give me some feedback, even if things work fine. In particular, of course, I'd like to hear of any problems you have either with the software or the documentation. I'll also accept requests for enhancement, but don't expect to see them in the near future: there's still a lot of code to be written. Greg Lehey 15 May 1998 -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 01:38:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA08134 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:38:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA08123 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:38:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@cain.gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA24038 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:08:04 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199805150838.SAA24038@cain.gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: WINE and Starcraft Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:08:04 +0930 From: "Daniel O'Connor" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I was checking out web.slashdot.org, and found that apparently WINE can run Star Craft (!), which is quite amazing.. I think some tweaking of our port of Wine is in order :) Kind of scarey that it works actually =) --------------------------------------------------------------------- |Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software | |http://www.gsoft.com.au | |The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to| |choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum | --------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 01:41:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA08839 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:41:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sun-test.hightek.com ([194.74.141.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA08787 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:41:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm2.hightek.com) Received: from klemm2.hightek.com ([195.90.203.76]) by sun-test.hightek.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with ESMTP id AAA1923 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:41:12 +0200 Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm2.hightek.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04216; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:41:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980515104111.16534@hightek.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:41:11 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: nfs exported FreeBSD cvs repository, mounted on client, update problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi ! I have one machine (server) carrying the FreeBSD cvs repository. This machine exports the cvs tree to several FreeBSD client machines. On the server: /etc/exports: /export -alldirs client1 client2 On the clients I use the automounter. Client setup: ln -s /host/server/export/ncvs /home/ncvs setenv CVSROOT /home/ncvs Then I try to update my sources on the client: root@client1 [150] [/usr/src] cvs update -P cvs update: Updating . cvs update: failed to create lock directory in repository `/home/ncvs/src': Permission denied cvs update: failed to obtain dir lock in repository `/home/ncvs/src' cvs [update aborted]: read lock failed - giving up Is there a way to avoid this lock ? Or would I have in this case to give root write permissions on the NFS Server (ugly) ? Or would I have to rearrange things, to checkout and update the sources as user != root ? How do you arrange these things if you only want to have one machine cvsupping the repository to update several FreeBSD machines ? Do you checkout the src tree on the server and mount the updated source tree on severyl clients ? Or does every machine have it's own checked out source tree, which I would prefer, since not every machine is perhaps a candidate for an upgrade ? Andreas /// -- B&K Gruppe - Wuppertal phone +49 202 7399 - 170 fax +49 202 7399 - 100 http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 03:08:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA22374 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:08:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [194.93.177.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA22299 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:07:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13925; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:06:50 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Message-ID: <19980515130649.A13822@ucb.crimea.ua> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:06:49 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nfs exported FreeBSD cvs repository, mounted on client, update problems Mail-Followup-To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19980515104111.16534@hightek.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i In-Reply-To: <19980515104111.16534@hightek.com>; from Andreas Klemm on Fri, May 15, 1998 at 10:41:11AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 10:41:11AM +0200, Andreas Klemm wrote: > Hi ! > > I have one machine (server) carrying the FreeBSD cvs repository. > This machine exports the cvs tree to several FreeBSD client machines. [skipped] > Then I try to update my sources on the client: > > root@client1 [150] [/usr/src] cvs update -P > cvs update: Updating . > cvs update: failed to create lock directory in repository `/home/ncvs/src': Permission denied > cvs update: failed to obtain dir lock in repository `/home/ncvs/src' > cvs [update aborted]: read lock failed - giving up > > Is there a way to avoid this lock ? Specify ``-R'' global options to cvs. According to ``cvs --help-options'': -R Assume repository is read-only, such as CDROM -- Ruslan Ermilov System Administrator ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank +380-652-247647 Simferopol, Crimea 2426679 ICQ Network, UIN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 03:18:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA23767 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:18:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nest.bistbn.com (root@nest.bistbn.com [209.88.174.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA23761 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:18:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yury@nest.bistbn.com) Received: from yuryk (yuryk.bistbn.com [209.88.174.51]) by nest.bistbn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA01828 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:18:38 +0300 (IDT) (envelope-from yury@nest.bistbn.com) From: "Yuri Krichevsky" To: Subject: Why not ? Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:18:08 +0300 Message-ID: <007801bd7fea$c1ec0ff0$33ae58d1@yuryk.bistbn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <19980515093912.L320@freebie.lemis.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi. Maybe it will be useful to put somewhere in one place all patches, drivers that for some reasons can't be included in FreeBSD distribution, but is the only solution for some kind of problems ? Maybe it will be good place for alpha and beta versions of drivers too. Or even add to distribution 'last resort' installation floppy with all this drivers and workarounds included in kernel. For example, I spend a lot of time (two days) to install 2.2.6-RELEASE on my COMPAQ Proliant 850R server with COMPAQ SMART SCSI Array Controller and COMPAQ Netelligent NIC. It was not difficult to find IDA driver in freebsd-* mailing archive, but building custom installation floppy is not very easy and it takes a lot of disk space (day after I saw message in -hackers that points to floppy image ;-) In case of IDA driver - it is one year old and it works fine. Yes, it 'eats' wdc0's IRQ, and it is impossible to use SMART SCSI Array Controller and IDE devices at the same time, but if you have 2 choices - 1) use IDE devices (like CD-ROM that ships with Proliant) 2) throw away IDE drives, but be able to use SCSI Array with RAID5 the second one is preferable (at least for me ;-) I think that collection of such drivers will make life just a little bit easy ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 04:29:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05304 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 04:29:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (intranet.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05264; Fri, 15 May 1998 04:29:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre@pipeline.ch) Received: from pipeline.ch ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA269; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:28:00 +0200 Message-ID: <355C26DE.50A6CB29@pipeline.ch> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:28:30 +0200 From: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith CC: IBS / Andre Oppermann , Manar Hussain , isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bandwidth limiter available References: <199805142303.QAA00334@antipodes.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: -snip- > > The last thing we need on our way is a Cisco-IOS shell integrating all > > those features under the well-known IOS command syntax. > > I will say that is, indeed, the very last thing we need. Why not? You have one common syntax for all network related configurations. I don't mean that as shell for the whole FreeBSD box, just for network config. Simply type 'iosh' and do all your ifconfig's, route's and bgp/ospf seamless. -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 04:30:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05793 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 04:30:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dog.farm.org (gw-hssi-2.farm.org [209.66.103.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05752 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 04:30:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dog.farm.org!dk) Received: (from dk@localhost) by dog.farm.org (8.7.5/dk#3) id EAA26800; Fri, 15 May 1998 04:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 04:30:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Dmitry Kohmanyuk Message-Id: <199805151130.EAA26800@dog.farm.org> To: aklemm@hightek.com (Andreas Klemm) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nfs exported FreeBSD cvs repository, mounted on client, update problems Newsgroups: cs-monolit.gated.lists.freebsd.hackers Organization: FARM Computing Association Reply-To: dk+@ua.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <19980515104111.16534@hightek.com> you wrote: [... NFS server with CVS tree, NFS clients want to cvs checkout ...] > Then I try to update my sources on the client: > root@client1 [150] [/usr/src] cvs update -P > cvs update: Updating . > cvs update: failed to create lock directory in repository `/home/ncvs/src': Permission denied > cvs update: failed to obtain dir lock in repository `/home/ncvs/src' > cvs [update aborted]: read lock failed - giving up you need to have write permissions on cvs tree; if you run cvs co / cvs upd as root, you need write permission as root; _OR_ you can run cvs -R ... and then your CVS tree is read-only (CDROM mode ;-) > How do you arrange these things if you only want to have one machine > cvsupping the repository to update several FreeBSD machines ? > Do you checkout the src tree on the server and mount the updated > source tree on severyl clients ? Or does every machine have it's > own checked out source tree, which I would prefer, since not > every machine is perhaps a candidate for an upgrade ? I have local /usr/src and /usr/obj on build machines (build over NFS is broken, at least it used to be many times...). I do make buildworld on build box(es), then NFS-mount it to machines I want to upgrade, and do make installworld there. Note that it is very well possible to have your build boxes run different version from machines you want to upgrade, all the time. Now that we have a great new Makefile, it's possible... -- I remember seeing a sign on a power station that was trilingual: English, French, and American. It said "No Admission. Pas D'admission. Keep Out". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 06:05:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19713 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 06:05:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sun-test.hightek.com ([194.74.141.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19698 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 06:05:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm2.hightek.com) Received: from klemm2.hightek.com ([195.90.203.76]) by sun-test.hightek.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with ESMTP id AAA5352; Fri, 15 May 1998 15:05:13 +0200 Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm2.hightek.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13954; Fri, 15 May 1998 15:05:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980515150513.25195@hightek.com> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 15:05:13 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: dk+@ua.net, Andreas Klemm Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nfs exported FreeBSD cvs repository, mounted on client, update problems References: <199805151130.EAA26800@dog.farm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199805151130.EAA26800@dog.farm.org>; from Dmitry Kohmanyuk on Fri, May 15, 1998 at 04:30:22AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 04:30:22AM -0700, Dmitry Kohmanyuk wrote: > you need to have write permissions on cvs tree; if you run cvs co / cvs upd > as root, you need write permission as root; _OR_ you can run > cvs -R ... > and then your CVS tree is read-only (CDROM mode ;-) Thanks, that would be sufficient ! > I do make buildworld on build box(es), then NFS-mount it to machines > I want to upgrade, and do make installworld there. > > Note that it is very well possible to have your build boxes run > different version from machines you want to upgrade, all the time. > > Now that we have a great new Makefile, it's possible... yes, good idea ! -- B&K Gruppe - Wuppertal phone +49 202 7399 - 170 fax +49 202 7399 - 100 http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 07:37:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03092 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 07:37:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com ([210.145.37.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03080 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 07:37:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA00514; Fri, 15 May 1998 06:33:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805151333.GAA00514@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Andreas Klemm cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nfs exported FreeBSD cvs repository, mounted on client, update problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 May 1998 10:41:11 +0200." <19980515104111.16534@hightek.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 06:33:29 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi ! > > I have one machine (server) carrying the FreeBSD cvs repository. > This machine exports the cvs tree to several FreeBSD client machines. > > On the server: > /etc/exports: > /export -alldirs client1 client2 > > On the clients I use the automounter. > Client setup: > ln -s /host/server/export/ncvs /home/ncvs > setenv CVSROOT /home/ncvs > > Then I try to update my sources on the client: > > root@client1 [150] [/usr/src] cvs update -P > cvs update: Updating . > cvs update: failed to create lock directory in repository `/home/ncvs/src': Permission denied > cvs update: failed to obtain dir lock in repository `/home/ncvs/src' > cvs [update aborted]: read lock failed - giving up > > Is there a way to avoid this lock ? cvs -R Naturally, avoid doing this while CVSup is running. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 09:11:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA18514 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:11:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18248 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:09:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29703 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:09:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199805151609.JAA29703@austin.polstra.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Questions needed for CVSup FAQ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 09:09:50 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We have needed a CVSup FAQ for a long time, so I finally bashed one out on a recent plane flight. It's horribly incomplete and generally not very good, but I had to start somewhere or I was never going to get the thing done. I would really appreciate it if some of you would take a moment to read it, and send me some additional questions that I can add. Please send them to . (Answers would be nice too, but the questions are most important.) Also, if any of the existing text seems unclear to you, suggestions are welcome. The FAQ is located at: http://www.polstra.com/projects/freeware/CVSup/faq.html Thanks in advance, John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 09:50:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26596 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:50:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from eesun3.tamu.edu (eesun3.tamu.edu [165.91.218.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA26586 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:50:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sumit@eesun3.tamu.edu) Received: (from sumit@localhost) by eesun3.tamu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07873 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:50:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Sumit Gupta Message-Id: <199805151650.LAA07873@eesun3.tamu.edu> Subject: how to add a system call To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:50:08 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, This is probably a newbie question. In FreeBSD Release 2.2.2., I have added a global array in the /usr/src/sys/netinet/ip_input.c which I use for some IP level hacking (array of u_long). right now I have harcoded the values in the array but need to have a way to change/set the array entries in a running system. Is a system call the only way to do this? If so, how do I add a new system call that can do this? Is assembly programming neccessary? any help will be greatly appreciated. thanks Sumit -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Sumit Gupta Masters Student Residence: Office: 4302, College Main Dept. of Elec. Engg. Apartment # 339 Texas A&M Univ. Bryan, Texas 77801 College Station, TX 77843 Ph : (409) 268-8053 Ph : (409) 845-9578 E-mail : sumit@tamu.edu Official URL : http://ee.tamu.edu/~sumit Personal URL : http://dropzone.tamu.edu/~sumit ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 10:30:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03790 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:30:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt053nd2.san.rr.com [204.210.34.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03781 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:30:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09279; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:28:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <355C7B43.A3954A1B@dal.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:28:35 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE-0507 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel O'Connor" CC: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WINE and Starcraft References: <199805150838.SAA24038@cain.gsoft.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > Hi, > I was checking out web.slashdot.org, and found that apparently WINE can run > Star Craft (!), which is quite amazing.. I think some tweaking of our port of > Wine is in order :) I would be happy to help test patches in -Stable. I am very interested in a working windows emulator but I'm starting to lose hope. :-/ Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud designer and maintainer of the world's largest Internet *** Relay Chat server with 5,328 simultaneous connections. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 11:00:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07395 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA07292 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:59:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA28429 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org); Fri, 15 May 1998 19:59:22 +0200 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA01974; Fri, 15 May 1998 19:23:20 +0200 (MET DST) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199805151723.TAA01974@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: panic: biodone buffer not busy (2.2.6 with DPT) In-Reply-To: <19980515111025.C305@freebie.lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "May 15, 98 11:10:25 am" To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 19:23:19 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: tcobb@staff.circle.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-Pgp-Info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Greg Lehey wrote... > On Tue, 12 May 1998 at 3:12:12 -0400, tcobb wrote: > > I am now getting regular (approx. every 3 days) panics on my busy NFS > > server with the above error. According to what I can piece together, > > there is no 2.2.6 patch which will fix this problem? > > > > As to details, this occurs on a SCSI-only machine with a DPT RAID > > controller. It doesn't require particularly busy SCSI access to trigger > > it, though I cannot do so at will. Unfortunately, because this is a > > production server I cannot wait for a crashdump before rebooting. > > I'm surprised you haven't heard from Simon Shapiro on this point. > This sounds very much like a driver bug (I keep producing them with my > vinum driver :-). I'm having lots of difficulty reaching Shimon by mail. I've received info that he is moving in the US to a different state. At the same time simon-shapiro.org seems to have lost DNS, MX etc. Internic tells me the domain is still registered. Might be the reason you don't hear much, if anything Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Bulte email: wilko @ yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Arnhem, The Netherlands WWW: http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 11:53:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16947 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:53:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA16937 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:53:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Mailer-Daemon@East.Sun.COM) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id LAA07599; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:53:01 -0700 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id OAA17970; Fri, 15 May 1998 14:52:58 -0400 Received: from compound.east.sun.com by suneast.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA03454; Fri, 15 May 1998 14:52:55 -0400 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.east.sun.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id OAA14259; Fri, 15 May 1998 14:03:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 14:03:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805151903.OAA14259@compound.east.sun.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3D "blender" package from NeoGeo now released. X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 20.3 "Vatican City" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Quoth Wilko Bulte : > Na. "Another One Bites The Dust" by Queen seems more appropriate. Interestingly, if you play it backwards, this song's repetitive refrain becomes "It's fun to smoke marijuana". I kid you not! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 13:02:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24168 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:02:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (daemon@smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24162 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:02:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12630; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:02:24 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpd012609; Fri May 15 13:02:18 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA15795; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:02:16 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199805152002.NAA15795@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Why not ? To: yury@nest.bistbn.com (Yuri Krichevsky) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 20:02:16 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <007801bd7fea$c1ec0ff0$33ae58d1@yuryk.bistbn.com> from "Yuri Krichevsky" at May 15, 98 01:18:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Maybe it will be useful to put somewhere in one place all patches, > drivers that for some reasons can't be included in FreeBSD > distribution, but is the only solution for some kind of problems ? > Maybe it will be good place for alpha and beta versions of drivers > too. Or even add to distribution 'last resort' installation floppy > with all this drivers and workarounds included in kernel. We could call it "the patchkit". Heh. I guess I could dust off my old "patchkit" code. 8-) 8-). I think a better way to handle this would be a "repackaged cvs tree"; the PAO people would benefit from this, as would anyone else making local patches. The main idea is that a cvsup should pull the FreeBSD source tree down not into a duplicate of the FreeBSD source tree, but rather into a vendor branch. This would let anyone who wanted to use the code as a base for something make their own modifications, and actually keep them in their local source tree, with the history intact. It would also help knit various projects closer together, since you could cvsup another projects sources (for instance, bind) into the FreeBSD source tree -- as a vendor branch. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 13:39:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29972 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:39:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (winter@sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29956 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:38:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA21980; Fri, 15 May 1998 16:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:38:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Wilko Bulte cc: Greg Lehey , tcobb@staff.circle.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: panic: biodone buffer not busy (2.2.6 with DPT) In-Reply-To: <199805151723.TAA01974@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 15 May 1998, Wilko Bulte wrote: > I'm having lots of difficulty reaching Shimon by mail. I've received info > that he is moving in the US to a different state. At the same time > simon-shapiro.org seems to have lost DNS, MX etc. Internic tells me the > domain is still registered. He aparently hasn't gotten around to updating his NIC records as I'm providing backup backup MX/NS service for him. (Otherwise things would work) /* Matthew N. Dodd | A memory retaining a love you had for life winter@jurai.net | As cruel as it seems nothing ever seems to http://www.jurai.net/~winter | go right - FLA M 3.1:53 */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 13:48:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01461 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:48:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skylink.skylink.net (skylink.skylink.net [206.25.34.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01439; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:48:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from animal@skylink.net) Received: from shell.skylink.net (animal@shell.skylink.net [206.25.34.5]) by skylink.skylink.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA02862; Fri, 15 May 1998 13:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 13:48:22 -0700 (PDT) From: animal To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Tape Backup (Quantum DLT) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Here is my problem I have a backup script someone else has written and maintained now that person is gone and i have a little prob restoring I am running FreeBSD 2.2.5 using a Quantum DLT the script basically does this /sbin/dump 0auf /dev/nrst0 / /sbin/dump 0auf /dev/nrst0 /usr /sbin/dump 0auf /dev/nrst0 /var and then remotes..... rsh shell /sbin/rdump 0auf rmt.skylink.net:/dev/nrst0 / rsh shell /sbin/rdump 0auf rmt.skylink.net:/dev/nrst0 /usr rsh shell /sbin/rdump 0auf rmt.skylink.net:/dev/nrst0 /var when i try to restore -if /dev/nrst0 on the first three files it works fine but then i mt -f /dev/nrst0 to the next and the next is bad then anything remotely cannot be read.... is there anything that i am doing wrong or that i can do to fix this prob... not only can i not see it with the interactive mode -i of restore i cant even do a -t to list all the files that are on it....... and i cant even do a restore x on it and i need some files off there like ASAP before my users and my boss kills me.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri May 15 14:27:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08086 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Fri, 15 May 1998 14:27:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from larch.math.umn.edu (qmailr@larch.math.umn.edu [128.101.154.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA08051 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 14:26:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rantapaa@math.umn.edu) Received: (qmail 3778 invoked by uid 3044); 15 May 1998 21:26:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 16:26:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "Erik E. Rantapaa" To: ylo@cs.hut.fi, Raphael Manfredi , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ssh/FreeBSD/Storable interaction? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I would like to report a weird behavior with a system involving ssh-1.2.20, FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE and the Perl5 module "Storable". I have a 7-line perl5 script for which the commands: perl-script ssh localhost perl-script produce different output. The output of the ssh version has the same length but the output is rearranged. I haven't determine yet which system(s) are at fault. More details may be found at: http://www.math.umn.edu/~rantapaa/ssh-bug There you can find a test script, input data and two output files which demonstrate the problem. My test script doesn't duplicate this this problem under SunOS 5.5.1 (running perl5.004_01 and ssh-1.2.22). Any pointers would be gratefully appreciated... -- Erik E. Rantapaa -- rantapaa@math.umn.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 16 00:20:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA11679 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 00:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mooseriver.com (dynamic17.pm02.sf3d.best.com [209.24.234.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA11625 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 00:19:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id AAA02099; Sat, 16 May 1998 00:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980516001950.06031@mooseriver.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 00:19:50 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: byron@dbs-ca.com Subject: [byron@dbs-ca.com: FreeBSD install] Reply-To: jgrosch@superior.mooseriver.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I got a call tonight from this guy, Byron Johnson. He is trying to install on to his system. This is his reply to my suggestions. >Thanks for taking the call tonight. I did the floppy thing instead of >the CD, but I'm still toast! The result is exactly the same as coming >of the CD: > >At the blue screen, when the dialog box is showing "Probing devices, >please wait..." >I then get the following error: > panic: vm_fault: fault on nofault entry, addr: f3140000 > >And it reboots after waiting 15 seconds and my life ends there! >What's a next best guess? > I'm stumped as to what is the problem. Any one see this one? Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 2.2.6 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 16 04:38:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA02811 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 04:38:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA02805 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 04:38:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from [208.2.87.10] (user10.dataplex.net [208.2.87.10]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA23973; Sat, 16 May 1998 06:37:38 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980515150513.25195@hightek.com> References: <199805151130.EAA26800@dog.farm.org>; from Dmitry Kohmanyuk on Fri, May 15, 1998 at 04:30:22AM -0700 <199805151130.EAA26800@dog.farm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 06:27:54 -0500 To: dk+@ua.net From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: nfs exported FreeBSD cvs repository, mounted on client, update problems Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >On Fri, May 15, 1998 at 04:30:22AM -0700, Dmitry Kohmanyuk wrote: >> Note that it is very well possible to have your build boxes run >> different version from machines you want to upgrade, all the time. >> >> Now that we have a great new Makefile, it's possible... Not quite. Eivind Eklund was working on a problem that prevents some code from working. In particular, I got caught in the box by the "de" driver. Because there is a difference in the system structures for ethernet information, and the driver is written for FreeBSD2, FreeBSD3, NetBSD, etc. by using conditional compilation, it fails to work when you attempt to cross compile. This is because the COMPILER is providing the version information. This is obviously bogus. The test MUST be based strictly on information in the source. The only place that compiler based conditionals would apply is if there are alternate definitions written in different languages (or perhaps I should use the term dialects). Until the TARGET identifier is placed in the source tree AND the codebase is modified to to handle the new identifier properly, there will be "gotcha's" which prevent the cross compilation which you seek. Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 16 05:33:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09170 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:33:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA09163 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:33:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA04082; Sat, 16 May 1998 12:49:03 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805161049.MAA04082@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: bad behaviour in slow start To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:49:03 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I noticed this a couple of years ago, but the problem appears to be still there in -stable. In tcp_input.c there is an "optimization" that disable slow_start on local networks. This was introduced in version 1.11 of the file. The relevant lines are: /* * Don't force slow-start on local network. */ if (!in_localaddr(inp->inp_faddr)) tp->snd_cwnd = mss; I think this is in violation of good TCP practices, and should be at the very least made optional, controlled by a sysctl variable which defaults to off: static int no_slowstart_on_local_net = 0; SYSCTL_INT(_net_inet_tcp, OID_AUTO, no_slowstart_on_local_net, CTLFLAG_RW, &no_slowstart_on_local_net, 0, ""); ... if (!no_slowstart_on_local_net || !in_localaddr(inp->inp_faddr)) tp->snd_cwnd = mss; comments ? luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 16 08:22:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25789 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:22:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA25782; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:22:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA19695; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805161531.LAA19695@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:30:21 -0400 To: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" From: Dennis Subject: Re: Bandwidth limiter available Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <355C26DE.50A6CB29@pipeline.ch> References: <199805142303.QAA00334@antipodes.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 01:28 PM 5/15/98 +0200, you wrote: >Mike Smith wrote: >-snip- >> > The last thing we need on our way is a Cisco-IOS shell integrating all >> > those features under the well-known IOS command syntax. >> >> I will say that is, indeed, the very last thing we need. > >Why not? You have one common syntax for all network related >configurations. >I don't mean that as shell for the whole FreeBSD box, just for network >config. Simply type 'iosh' and do all your ifconfig's, route's and >bgp/ospf seamless. Because the unix command set is more "standard" than IOS, and IOS is poorly done in many areas because of the limitation in user interface resources. Surely an interface to generate gated configs would be useful, but to trash the well-known and powerful unix interface for IOS would be ridiculous. Dennis > >-- >Andre Oppermann > >CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer >Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) >Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland >Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 >http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 16 08:24:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA26120 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:24:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA25807 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:22:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA08939 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 10:20:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: g++ new allocator Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does anyone know if the "new" operator, using g++, uses it's own allocator, or PHK's libc malloc? I have a problem I'm trying to shoot that uses the libstdc++ and sigbus's, and I was wondering which route the code is going. Thanks. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 16 08:45:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA29587 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:45:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29570; Sat, 16 May 1998 08:45:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA19755; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805161554.LAA19755@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:53:06 -0400 To: Julian Elischer , Luigi Rizzo From: Dennis Subject: Re: Bandwidth limiter available Cc: Mike Smith , andre@pipeline.ch, manar@ivision.co.uk, isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199805150331.FAA01765@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:34 AM 5/15/98 -0700, Julian Elischer wrote: >> >> > If you want to hear more about ALTQ, Cho Kenjiro will be talking about it >> > at USENIX this year. We hope also to hear from Ito Jun-ichiro about >> >> and just for the records, I have a paper at the FreeNIX track on >> dummynet and related networking stuff. > >And I may give a WIPS session on >Whistle's "smart bandwidth" Very fancy. Not what most isps are looking for, but useful. One question: why were the hooks put in the drivers rather than at a higher , more generic level. The process does not have to be as intrusive as ALTQ seems to be. Sounds like an ongoing maintenence nightmare. dennis Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com ISA and PCI Sync Cards for FreeBSD, LINUX and BSD/OS Bandwidth Manager http://www.etinc.com/bwmgr.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 16 10:10:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09241 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:10:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA09233; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:10:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA04372; Sat, 16 May 1998 17:26:00 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199805161526.RAA04372@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Bandwidth limiter available To: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 17:26:00 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: julian@whistle.com, mike@smith.net.au, andre@pipeline.ch, manar@ivision.co.uk, isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199805161554.LAA19755@etinc.com> from "Dennis" at May 16, 98 11:52:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Very fancy. Not what most isps are looking for, but useful. > > One question: why were the hooks put in the drivers rather than at a > higher , more generic level. The process does not have to be as intrusive > as ALTQ seems to be. Sounds like an ongoing maintenence nightmare. i guess you refer to ALTQ. The answer is, to do CBQ/WFQ you want to select the next packet to be sent at the time the interface asks for one. The current implementation of IF_DEQUEUE and friends instead implements a queue in front of the interface, and this can disturb the bandwidth allocation. If you just want a bandwidth limiter you can work at a higher level since each flow is scheduled independently of the others, so you don't care about what is downstream. One way to solve the mainteinance problem could be to make IF_DEQUEUE an upcall to a higher level queue-handling function, so that it can be modified independently of the device driver, and can work with binary-only drivers. But this still requires an upgrade of the driver once the transition is made. i don't know how many drivers are supplied in binary-only format. cheers luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 16 11:11:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15048 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:11:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from widefw.csl.sony.co.jp (widefw.csl.sony.co.jp [133.138.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15008; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:10:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kjc@csl.sony.co.jp) Received: from hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp (root@hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp [43.27.98.57]) by widefw.csl.sony.co.jp (8.8.8/3.6W) with ESMTP id DAA08474; Sun, 17 May 1998 03:10:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (kjc@[127.0.0.1]) by hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp (8.8.8/3.6W/hotaka/98021914) with ESMTP id DAA00252; Sun, 17 May 1998 03:10:56 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199805161810.DAA00252@hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp> To: Luigi Rizzo cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bandwidth limiter available In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 May 1998 17:26:00 +0200." <199805161526.RAA04372@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 03:10:56 +0900 From: Kenjiro Cho Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks Luigi for the clarification. In addition, modification to IF_DEQUEUE isn't enough. There are several drivers that peeks at if_snd or use IF_PREPEND; these operations don't work with multiple queues. If the drivers are written not to use these operations, replacing IF_DEQUEUE works fine. More details are described in my paper available at http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/person/kjc/papers/usenix98/ --Kenjiro Luigi Rizzo said: > Very fancy. Not what most isps are looking for, but useful. > > One question: why were the hooks put in the drivers rather than at a > higher , more generic level. The process does not have to be as intrusive > as ALTQ seems to be. Sounds like an ongoing maintenence nightmare. >> i guess you refer to ALTQ. The answer is, to do CBQ/WFQ you want >> to select the next packet to be sent at the time the interface asks >> for one. The current implementation of IF_DEQUEUE and friends >> instead implements a queue in front of the interface, and this can >> disturb the bandwidth allocation. >> If you just want a bandwidth limiter you can work at a higher level >> since each flow is scheduled independently of the others, so you don't >> care about what is downstream. >> One way to solve the mainteinance problem could be to make IF_DEQUEUE >> an upcall to a higher level queue-handling function, so that it can be >> modified independently of the device driver, and can work with >> binary-only drivers. But this still requires an upgrade of the driver >> once the transition is made. >> i don't know how many drivers are supplied in binary-only format. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 16 11:50:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19803 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:50:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19776 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:50:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11959; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199805161850.LAA11959@austin.polstra.com> To: mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: nfs exported FreeBSD cvs repository, mounted on client, update problems In-Reply-To: <199805151333.GAA00514@antipodes.cdrom.com> References: <199805151333.GAA00514@antipodes.cdrom.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:50:01 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <199805151333.GAA00514@antipodes.cdrom.com>, Mike Smith wrote: > cvs -R > > Naturally, avoid doing this while CVSup is running. CVSup neither creates locks nor pays any attention to them. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 16 11:52:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA20164 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:52:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from austin.polstra.com (austin.polstra.com [206.213.73.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA20152 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:52:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@austin.polstra.com) Received: from austin.polstra.com (jdp@localhost) by austin.polstra.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11984; Sat, 16 May 1998 11:52:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Message-Id: <199805161852.LAA11984@austin.polstra.com> To: sumit@ee.tamu.edu Subject: Re: how to add a system call In-Reply-To: <199805151650.LAA07873@eesun3.tamu.edu> References: <199805151650.LAA07873@eesun3.tamu.edu> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 11:52:44 -0700 From: John Polstra Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <199805151650.LAA07873@eesun3.tamu.edu>, Sumit Gupta wrote: > This is probably a newbie question. In FreeBSD Release 2.2.2., I have > added a global array in the /usr/src/sys/netinet/ip_input.c which > I use for some IP level hacking (array of u_long). right now I have harcoded > the values in the array but need to have a way to change/set the array > entries in a running system. It sounds like a job for sysctl. I can't tell you the precise details of how to use it, but a grep for SYSCTL in "src/sys/kern/*.c" will turn up lots of examples. -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 16 14:24:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08961 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:24:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08952 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:24:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from gate.lan.awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by awfulhak.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA25472; Sat, 16 May 1998 22:19:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@gate.lan.awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199805162119.WAA25472@awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Greg Lehey cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Announcing vinum: a volume manager for FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 May 1998 11:50:37 +0930." <19980515115037.I305@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 22:19:02 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [.....] > o By dynamically increasing the size of a volume, it is pos- > sible to solve space problems without repartitioning. Excellent ! [.....] > o By changing the volume configuration on-line, it is possi- > ble to reorganize disk storage on-line. Even more excellent ! Is this targeted as an eventual addition to FreeBSD ? Is it your own work ? > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers > finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key -- Brian , , Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 16 17:36:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02061 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 17:36:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02022 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 17:35:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA03166; Sun, 17 May 1998 10:05:42 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980517100542.E346@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 10:05:42 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Chuck Robey , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: g++ new allocator References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Chuck Robey on Sat, May 16, 1998 at 10:20:38AM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 16 May 1998 at 10:20:38 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > Does anyone know if the "new" operator, using g++, uses it's own > allocator, or PHK's libc malloc? I have a problem I'm trying to shoot > that uses the libstdc++ and sigbus's, and I was wondering which route > the code is going. My understanding is that it uses whichever malloc is bound in with the executable. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 16 18:13:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07289 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:13:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [139.130.136.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07266 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:13:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA00515; Sun, 17 May 1998 10:41:53 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980517104153.G370@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 10:41:53 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Brian Somers Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Announcing vinum: a volume manager for FreeBSD References: <19980515115037.I305@freebie.lemis.com> <199805162119.WAA25472@awfulhak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199805162119.WAA25472@awfulhak.org>; from Brian Somers on Sat, May 16, 1998 at 10:19:02PM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 16 May 1998 at 22:19:02 +0100, Brian Somers wrote: > [.....] >> o By dynamically increasing the size of a volume, it is pos- >> sible to solve space problems without repartitioning. > > Excellent ! > > [.....] >> o By changing the volume configuration on-line, it is possi- >> ble to reorganize disk storage on-line. > > Even more excellent ! Is this targeted as an eventual addition to > FreeBSD ? Is it your own work ? Yes. Yes. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 16 21:15:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29150 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:15:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29144 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:15:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA13355; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:12:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@localhost To: Greg Lehey cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: g++ new allocator In-Reply-To: <19980517100542.E346@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 17 May 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Sat, 16 May 1998 at 10:20:38 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > > Does anyone know if the "new" operator, using g++, uses it's own > > allocator, or PHK's libc malloc? I have a problem I'm trying to shoot > > that uses the libstdc++ and sigbus's, and I was wondering which route > > the code is going. > > My understanding is that it uses whichever malloc is bound in with the > executable. ... Umm ... it's built using our libstdc++ (I just compiled it). The question is what malloc does the g++ using our own libstdc++ (on current, actually) use? I didn't post this to current because I didn't think it applied only to current. I guess I don't understand what you mean by "whichever malloc is bound in with the executable", if I'm doing the binding here. > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers > finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@glue.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic (FreeBSD-current) (301) 220-2114 | and jaunt (NetBSD). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat May 16 23:49:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12780 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:49:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12751 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:48:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA15423; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805170646.XAA15423@implode.root.com> To: Luigi Rizzo cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bad behaviour in slow start In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 May 1998 12:49:03 +0200." <199805161049.MAA04082@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 23:46:09 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > * Don't force slow-start on local network. ... >I think this is in violation of good TCP practices, and should be at ... >comments ? When sending out to a local peer, ethernet and point-to-point devices will buffer the initial burst of packets with the local buffers draining at the speed of the available link bandwidth, so I don't see why you would want to do slow start in this case. This is different than the case of a congested upstream circuit where you don't know about the congestion and have no control over the buffering. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message