From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Feb 22 08:31:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09726 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 08:31:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from castle.netlink.co.uk (castle.netlink.co.uk [194.88.140.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09719 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 08:31:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from slash@slash.org) Received: from userj372.uk.uudial.com (userj372.uk.uudial.com [194.69.101.219]) by castle.netlink.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA07748 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:37:40 GMT Received: by userj372.uk.uudial.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD3FAF.587DAD60@userj372.uk.uudial.com>; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:31:37 -0000 Message-ID: <01BD3FAF.587DAD60@userj372.uk.uudial.com> From: Neil Webster To: "'hardware@freebsd.org'" Subject: 3c509 Cards Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:31:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id IAA09722 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From looking through the web site I see there is no shortage on problems with these cards, unfortunately I am having the same problem. I have got the latest NIC drivers from 3com, and done various things like set my card to address 300h and irq 3, and then set BSD to 0x300 IRQ 3, disabled pnp, etc etc etc.. and no matter what I do ifconfig fails to see the device ep0. Occasionally it says it detected 16 3C509 boards, and configured then, but it still doesnt find the card... anyone have any suggestions? Anything would be appreciated :) Thanks, Neil Webster Webmaster, www.slash.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Feb 22 09:31:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13954 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:31:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from castle.netlink.co.uk (castle.netlink.co.uk [194.88.140.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13942 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:31:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from slash@slash.org) Received: from userj322.uk.uudial.com (userj322.uk.uudial.com [194.69.101.169]) by castle.netlink.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA09225 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:36:44 GMT Received: by userj322.uk.uudial.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD3FB7.97051660@userj322.uk.uudial.com>; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:30:38 -0000 Message-ID: <01BD3FB7.97051660@userj322.uk.uudial.com> From: Neil Webster To: "'hardware@freebsd.org'" Subject: 3c509 update Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:30:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id JAA13943 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Before anyone answers my last message, you dont have to.. the IO address was staring me in the face (sorry). However, I now have another problem. The card is seen, but when it tries to do anything it says "Card in PnP Mode" even though the card is not in pnp mode.. I ran the pnpdsabl.bat twice on the card, so I am quite sure of that. Can anyone think of any reason it would be doing this ? Thanks :) Neil Webster To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Feb 22 09:33:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14554 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:33:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opus.cts.cwu.edu (skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu [198.104.92.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14500 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:33:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Received: from localhost (skynyrd@localhost) by opus.cts.cwu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13544; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:33:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:33:25 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Timmons To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Atipa Subject: Dual PII and environmental monitoring Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been researching dual PII boards and have arrived at a quandry about environmental monitoring. Ideally I would like to be able to remotely query server machines to check for fan failures and overheating. At home where I have 7200rpm disks, no air conditioning and summer temperatures that often approach 40C, operating temperatures are a concern. Tyan and ASUS use the National Semiconductor LM78 for monitoring internal temperature, fan speed, etc. There is Linux support for reading this information and an ostensibly complete data sheet available from national at http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM78.pdf. Likewise, the Intel DK440LX uses the LM79 - data sheet also available. Gigabyte has their own ACOPS technology which they claim is "supported" by all operating systems in that (the bios?) can sense (purportedly more reliably than LM78 based systems) CPU overheating conditions and "auto speed down" the system. Also, the chassis speaker sounds an audible alarm. http://www.giga-byte.com/RACOPS2.html Gigabyte MB's are cost effective and have a good reputation from people on this list; however, it would appear that contrary to their marketing rhetoric ACOPS is a closed-door solution that is a win only for MS$ users who can realize the unmitigatably overwhelming benefits of Gigabyte's bundled patented SIV application. Comments? Technical references from Gigabyte to match National's open, pro free software approach? I can't find them. -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Feb 22 11:19:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27050 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:19:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27041 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:19:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07913; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:16:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802221916.LAA07913@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Chris Timmons cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, Atipa Subject: Re: Dual PII and environmental monitoring In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:33:25 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:16:51 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Tyan and ASUS use the National Semiconductor LM78 for monitoring internal > temperature, fan speed, etc. There is Linux support for reading this > information and an ostensibly complete data sheet available from national > at http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM78.pdf. Likewise, the Intel DK440LX > uses the LM79 - data sheet also available. Actually talking directly to these parts is almost certainly a mistake. These systems almost certainly have DMI BIOS implementations, and we should be talking to those. > Gigabyte has their own ACOPS technology which they claim is "supported" by > all operating systems in that (the bios?) can sense (purportedly more > reliably than LM78 based systems) CPU overheating conditions and "auto > speed down" the system. This is not unreasonable; they are probably using an SMI handler for this. That's fine; they should still be using DMI to export the information in question. > Gigabyte MB's are cost effective and have a good reputation from people on > this list; however, it would appear that contrary to their marketing > rhetoric ACOPS is a closed-door solution that is a win only for MS$ users > who can realize the unmitigatably overwhelming benefits of Gigabyte's > bundled patented SIV application. Supermicro, ASUS, Tyan and Tekram are all other manufacturers to whom you can look for server-grade boards. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Feb 22 15:12:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03531 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:12:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03316; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:09:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhs) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:09:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802222309.PAA03316@hub.freebsd.org> To: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG cc: francisc@incept.ie, webmaster@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Ice Prom From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany X-Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ (Has PGP Key) X-Tel: Tel: +49.89.268616, Fax: +49.89.2608126, Data: +49.89.26023276 X-Company: Vector Systems Ltd, Unix & Internet Consultants. X-Mailer: EXMH-1.6.9 + FreeBSD-2.2.2 (Unix) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Jordan jkh@freebsd.org cc Francis francisc@incept.ie, webmaster@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org, bcc: various hardware electronic/CAD friends I suggest it's worth putting an entry in the "Commercial products available on FreeBSD" section of the FreeBSD Handbook &/or web page, that .... The Incept Ltd http://www.incept.ie Tel+353.61.335800 `icePROM' : EPROM/Flash emulator hardware product has had its (C) control program ported to FreeBSD 2.2.5 (uses fast parallel download to a ROM emulator). The product also runs from Linux & MS-Win PCs, + Sun soon. The icePROM is purchasable direct from Incept Ltd, All technical enquiries to francisc@incept.ie I haven't yet looked at the web page to see if a sales@incept.ie exists, probably does though, if not, ask Francis. Disclaimer: I'm not involved financially with Incept Ltd, but the designers are friends. Francis Cagney did the port on my FreeBSD systems in Munich last week. Incept is based in Ireland, The company's promotional mouse pads have a very nice Iceberg & whale picture .... ask them about it :-) Julian Julian H. Stacey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Feb 22 15:26:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05005 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:26:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.telepac.pt (venus.telepac.pt [194.65.3.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04991 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:26:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bfe00350@mail.telepac.pt) Received: from symbol ([194.65.200.236]) by mail.telepac.pt (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 584-40066L0S0) with SMTP id AAA1965; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:21:43 +0000 From: "Joao Pedras" To: Neil Webster , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:30:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: 3c509 update Reply-to: bfe00350@mail.telepac.pt In-reply-to: <01BD3FB7.97051660@userj322.uk.uudial.com> Message-ID: <19980222232141.AAA1965@symbol> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Neil, I don't know if this will help you but I spent some time with one of those cards some time ago and after some wasted time, I came to the conclusion that the card worked using the default configuration that appears when you use the '-c' / 'visual' option on the boot process. The card was using other irq/io configuration before FreeBSD was installed on that machine (it had other OS). After bsd was installed only that configuration worked (don't ask my why). It was something like irq 10 though I can't remember the I/O. It wasn't nice because I hadn't the disk that comes along with card. Hope this helps. > From: Neil Webster > To: "'hardware@freebsd.org'" > Subject: 3c509 update > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:30:35 -0000 > Before anyone answers my last message, you dont have to.. the IO address was staring me in the face (sorry). However, I now have another problem. The card is seen, but when it tries to do anything > > Thanks :) > > Neil Webster > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Feb 22 17:25:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19199 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:25:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19188; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:25:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA29395; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:25:01 -0800 (PST) To: "Julian H. Stacey" cc: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, francisc@incept.ie, webmaster@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ice Prom In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:09:47 PST." <199802222309.PAA03316@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:25:01 -0800 Message-ID: <29391.888197101@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I suggest it's worth putting an entry in the > "Commercial products available on FreeBSD" > section of the FreeBSD Handbook &/or web page, that .... And as I've mentioned to you in the past, it's our policy not to add entries for 3rd parties that they specifically have not sent to us. If someone from Incept would like to submit an entry as explained in http://www.freebsd.org/commercial.html, that would be great. Thanks! Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 23 03:41:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA26792 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 03:41:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from solaric.UkrCard.Kiev.UA (ukrcard-gu.gu.net [194.93.170.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA26760 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 03:41:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@solaric.UkrCard.Kiev.UA) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by solaric.UkrCard.Kiev.UA (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA03038; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:41:06 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from alex@solaric.UkrCard.Kiev.UA) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:41:05 +0200 (EET) From: Alexander Tatmaniants To: Neil Webster cc: "'hardware@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: 3c509 update In-Reply-To: <01BD3FB7.97051660@userj322.uk.uudial.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 22 Feb 1998, Neil Webster wrote: > Before anyone answers my last message, you dont have to.. the IO address was staring me in the face (sorry). However, I now have another problem. The card is seen, but when it tries to do anything it says "Card in PnP Mode" even though the card is not in pnp mode.. I ran the pnpdsabl.bat twice on the card, so I am quite sure of that. Can anyone think of any reason it would be doing this ? You can use 3c5x9cfg.exe utility to be bit more quite sure of that. I was using 3c509 nic some time ago at my -stable box and it works fine for me. > > Thanks :) > > Neil Webster > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 23 04:47:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA04169 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 04:47:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA04152 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 04:47:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id NAA23828; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:47:02 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:47:02 +0100 (MET) To: Neil Webster Cc: "'hardware@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: 3c509 Cards References: <01BD3FAF.587DAD60@userj372.uk.uudial.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 23 Feb 1998 13:47:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: Neil Webster's message of "Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:31:34 -0000" Message-ID: Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Neil Webster writes: > From looking through the web site I see there is no shortage on > problems with these cards, unfortunately I am having the same > problem. I have got the latest NIC drivers from 3com, and done > various things like set my card to address 300h and irq 3, and then > set BSD to 0x300 IRQ 3, disabled pnp, etc etc etc.. and no matter > what I do ifconfig fails to see the device ep0. Occasionally it says > it detected 16 3C509 boards, and configured then, but it still > doesnt find the card... anyone have any suggestions? Anything would > be appreciated :) Please avoid lines loger than ~70 characters. About the 3c509: 1) Do *not* assign IRQ 3 to your NIC. It is used by one of the serial ports. Conflicts galore. I use port 0x300 or 0x340 with IRQ 10. 2) Your symptoms (ep0 not found at 0x300, 16 3c5x9 boards detected) are consistent with a known bug in the ep driver which prevents it from detecting Etherlink III boards in a machine which also contains a SoundBlaster 32 or 64. I have submitted a patch for that bug, but nobody seems to care. Search the GNATS database for open PRs with "if_ep" in the synopsis. -- "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out." (Michael Press on a.s.r) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 23 11:32:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22237 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:32:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22219; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:32:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.8.8/8.8.7) id VAA29033; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:32:19 +0200 (SAT) From: John Hay Message-Id: <199802231932.VAA29033@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: Riscom /N2 + Fractional E1. In-Reply-To: from Luiz de Barros at "Feb 19, 98 08:48:48 am" To: luiz@nlink.com.br (Luiz de Barros) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:32:19 +0200 (SAT) Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I have come to a strange problem with a Riscom/N2 card running on a > FreeBSD-2.2.5-Stable system. > > The card is working very well with a 64Kbps Syncronous V.35 interface > leased link with CSU/DSU provided by the phone company. I have everything > working fine, HDLC, etc. > > I have another link, a 256Kbps Fractional E1 from a RAD FCD-2L G.703 to > V.35 converter and fractioner, with a cable provided by RAD that does not > want to work with the Riscom/N2. Did anybody already have a similar > problem? What signals are necessary for the card to work with this kind of > link? Will i have to convert the signals to X.21? How? This link is > working with no problem on a IBM 2210 Router and i > would like to switch it to FreeBSD. > It might be that it is using seperate clocks for the TX and RX. Have you tried playing with the device flags? Doesn't the card work at all? Does it give any error messages? John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@mikom.csir.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 23 11:54:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28600 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:54:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rif.hoosierlink.net (rif.hoosierlink.net [208.154.69.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28323 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:53:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rif@rif.hoosierlink.net) Received: from localhost (rif@localhost) by rif.hoosierlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA02329 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:53:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:53:19 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Riffle To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Mainboard recomendation needed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am wondering if anyone can recommend a good Pentium mainboard which will cache 128 Megs of ram in 70 Pin SIMMS. My hardware guy said they stopped making the ASUS board he knew of and found a FIC PA-2007 which looks like it may do the job. However this board uses the VIA VP2 chipset and I am not sure how that has worked out. I already have 4 64Meg simms, so I need to find some motherboards I can utilize this ram in. On a second though, is it important to have all your memory cached on a FreeBSD system? I have heard the primary impact is in other OSes where things are loaded at the upper end of the available ram first. If anyone has had experience with a FIC PA-2007 on a semi-heavily loaded server, I would appreciate hearing of your experiences with that board. Thanks in advance, Jim --- Jim Riffle rif@hoosierlink.net HoosierLink & KC Online Network/Systems Administrator To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 23 12:36:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08031 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:36:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA08005 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:35:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id MAA09495; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:35:20 -0800 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id PAA19295; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:35:05 -0500 Received: from compound.east.sun.com by suneast.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA10069; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:35:00 -0500 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.east.sun.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id MAA07273; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:34:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:34:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802231834.MAA07273@compound.east.sun.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: rif@rif.hoosierlink.net Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Mainboard recomendation needed References: X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under 19.14 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoth Jim Riffle on Mon, 23 February: : they stopped making the ASUS board he knew of and found a FIC PA-2007 : which looks like it may do the job. However this board uses the VIA VP2 FAI and AFAIK, FreeBSD does not support UDMA-33 on VP2. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 23 12:37:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08183 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:37:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08170 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:37:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA12266; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:35:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802232035.MAA12266@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Jim Riffle cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mainboard recomendation needed In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:53:19 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:35:27 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I am wondering if anyone can recommend a good Pentium mainboard which will > cache 128 Megs of ram in 70 Pin SIMMS. My hardware guy said > they stopped making the ASUS board he knew of and found a FIC PA-2007 > which looks like it may do the job. However this board uses the VIA VP2 > chipset and I am not sure how that has worked out. I already have 4 64Meg > simms, so I need to find some motherboards I can utilize this ram in. The VIA VP2 and VP3-based boards are supposed to be pretty good. Another alternative is anything based on the Intel 430HX chipset, eg. the Tekram P5H30WS (onboard fast/wide SCSI). > On a second though, is it important to have all your memory cached on a > FreeBSD system? I have heard the primary impact is in other OSes where > things are loaded at the upper end of the available ram first. On any systems which virtualises the address space, having *all* of your memory cached is critical. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 23 13:40:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18646 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:40:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18323 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:35:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA23080; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:32:42 +1100 (EST) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:32:41 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Jim Riffle cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mainboard recomendation needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Jim Riffle wrote: > I am wondering if anyone can recommend a good Pentium mainboard which will > cache 128 Megs of ram in 70 Pin SIMMS. My hardware guy said > they stopped making the ASUS board he knew of and found a FIC PA-2007 > which looks like it may do the job. However this board uses the VIA VP2 > chipset and I am not sure how that has worked out. I already have 4 64Meg > simms, so I need to find some motherboards I can utilize this ram in. If you look at www.tomshardware.com (or http://sysdoc.pair.com/), you'll see a review of the FIC PA-2007 and the VIA VP2 chipset. Good stuff! As Mike Smith said, Tom's Hardware Guide is a PC hardware rev-head's magazine, but it has interesting information. There is also the Gigabyte GA586STX which is not an Intel TX board, but uses an SiS chipset. Not as fast as the PA-2007, but still good. > On a second though, is it important to have all your memory cached on a > FreeBSD system? I have heard the primary impact is in other OSes where > things are loaded at the upper end of the available ram first. It's worth doing things properly. Danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 23 17:31:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09991 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:31:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09958 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:31:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA08947; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:01:20 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA13745; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:01:20 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980224120119.03846@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:01:19 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" , Jim Riffle Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mainboard recomendation needed References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Daniel O'Callaghan on Tue, Feb 24, 1998 at 08:32:41AM +1100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 February 1998 at 8:32:41 +1100, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Jim Riffle wrote: > >> I am wondering if anyone can recommend a good Pentium mainboard which will >> cache 128 Megs of ram in 70 Pin SIMMS. My hardware guy said >> they stopped making the ASUS board he knew of and found a FIC PA-2007 >> which looks like it may do the job. However this board uses the VIA VP2 >> chipset and I am not sure how that has worked out. I already have 4 64Meg >> simms, so I need to find some motherboards I can utilize this ram in. > > If you look at www.tomshardware.com (or http://sysdoc.pair.com/), you'll > see a review of the FIC PA-2007 and the VIA VP2 chipset. I don't. Just the PA-2012, which seems to be a different board altogether. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Feb 23 23:28:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA20521 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:28:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de [129.70.4.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA20499; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:28:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lkoeller@post.uni-bielefeld.de) Received: from pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de [129.70.3.29]) by hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA29376; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:31:58 +0100 (MEZ) Received: by pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de with SMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA198485320; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:28:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199802240728.AA198485320@pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0delta 6/3/97 From: Lars Koeller To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Conclusion: Seagate Python firmware and hanging SCBs on 2940! X-Face: nLQGe[[K51[{{[C\,BiQm[7]u1m{N>_\%nLBo4t@)CoZ}hK[W7DwX&V=}Wf#Qb,j:Jpj[(12r=b~:dYmh]fDf\,]_frt6eM Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA21114 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:31:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21088; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:31:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09316; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:01:12 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA15271; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:01:11 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980224180111.16031@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:01:11 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Lars Koeller , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Conclusion: Seagate Python firmware and hanging SCBs on 2940! References: <199802240728.AA198485320@pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199802240728.AA198485320@pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de>; from Lars Koeller on Tue, Feb 24, 1998 at 08:28:40AM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 February 1998 at 8:28:40 +0100, Lars Koeller wrote: > -------- > > Hi! > > Just for your information! Don't use any combination of Seagate Python DAT > drives, Adaptec 2940 SCSI controller and FreeBSD or Linux! This is somewhat overstating the case. I've been using exactly that combination for 15 months, and I've been very satisfied. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 24 00:01:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA25465 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:01:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vars1pdc.mail.univars.com (mail.univars.com [207.88.148.218]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA25438 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:01:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mseebach@vars.com) Received: by mail.univars.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:55:02 -0800 Message-ID: From: Martin Seebach To: "'freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org'" Cc: "'support@internex.net'" , "'abuse@internex.net'" , Dave Ellis Subject: FreeBSD Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:55:00 -0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD40B6.74F21690" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. 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X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Lars Koeller Subject: Re: Conclusion: Seagate Python firmware and hanging SCBs on 2940! Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [In "Conclusion: Seagate Python firmware and hanging SCBs on 2940!", on Feb 23, 11:31pm, Lars Koeller whinged something about:] > -------- > Just for your information! Don't use any combination of Seagate Python DAT > drives, Adaptec 2940 SCSI controller and FreeBSD or Linux! I missed the thread leading up to this, but I've used the python with the 2940 on FreeBSD for over a year unremarkably. So much so, that I have adopted this as the drive-of-choice for all my installations. Cheers -skots -- Scott G. Akmentins-Taylor InterNet: staylor@mrynet.com MRY Systems staylor@llyene.jpl.nasa.gov Westlake Village, CA USA VIENOTI LATVIJAI! (Skots Gregorijs Akmentins-Teilors -- just call me "Skots") ----- Labak miris neka sarkans ----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 24 00:04:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA25779 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:04:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA25723; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:03:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA11061; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:03:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802240803.AAA11061@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Greg Lehey cc: Lars Koeller , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, port-i386@netbsd.org Subject: Re: Conclusion: Seagate Python firmware and hanging SCBs on 2940! In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 24 Feb 98 18:01:11 +1030. <19980224180111.16031@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:03:31 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >On Tue, 24 February 1998 at 8:28:40 +0100, Lars Koeller wrote: >> Just for your information! Don't use any combination of Seagate Python DAT >> drives, Adaptec 2940 SCSI controller and FreeBSD or Linux! >This is somewhat overstating the case. I've been using exactly that >combination for 15 months, and I've been very satisfied. This is really weird. This comes across my screen just as I'm wrestling with why the hell my new drive won't write a complete dump. I had an old IBM/Archive/Seagate DDS-2 drive (identified as Archive, not Python), which had been working great for almost a year. But lately it had been having problems, and I was using two tapes per backup on the NT box. So... I bought a refurbished Scorpion DDS-3 drive. It's awesome. Fast, holds tons on a tape. Only one problem -- it wouldn't write to my old DDS-2 tapes. So Seagate send me a firmware upgrade. Now the drive writes my DDS-2 tapes. Excellent! I only had about $300 worth of those I wanted to continue using. ;-) But now I'm getting these SCB resets/timeouts that everyone else is talking about. What the?! The drive works beautifully under NT. It worked fine the last time I tried it last weekend on NetBSD. But this weekend I wasn't able to get a complete dump with four different tapes (under NetBSD -- got NT backups just fine). The thing that people have been saying is wrong is that the drive identifies itself as being able to support tagged-command-queuing, but not actually supporting it? The thing is, my drive doesn't appear to be advertising such an ability (as far as I can see). It identifies itself as such: ahc0: target 2 synchronous at 10.0MHz, offset = 0xf st0 at scsibus0 targ 2 lun 0: SCSI2 1/sequential removable st0: drive empty So does anyone have an idea what the actual problem is? It would be cool if I could make this dude work. The system is a NetBSD 1.3 box, Adaptec 2940UW (7880), 64MB RAM, etc... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon mvanloon@exmsft.com michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 24 00:07:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA26291 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:07:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de [129.70.4.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA26280; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:07:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lkoeller@post.uni-bielefeld.de) Received: from pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de [129.70.3.29]) by hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04000; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:10:15 +0100 (MEZ) Received: by pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de with SMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA214087617; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:06:57 +0100 Message-Id: <199802240806.AA214087617@pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0delta 6/3/97 From: Lars Koeller To: Greg Lehey Cc: Lars Koeller freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Conclusion: Seagate Python firmware and hanging SCBs on 2940! In-Reply-To: grog's message of Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:01:11 +1030. <19980224180111.16031@freebie.lemis.com> X-Face: nLQGe[[K51[{{[C\,BiQm[7]u1m{N>_\%nLBo4t@)CoZ}hK[W7DwX&V=}Wf#Qb,j:Jpj[(12r=b~:dYmh]fDf\,]_frt6eM On Tue, 24 February 1998 at 8:28:40 +0100, Lars Koeller wrote: > > -------- > > > > Hi! > > > > Just for your information! Don't use any combination of Seagate Python DAT > > drives, Adaptec 2940 SCSI controller and FreeBSD or Linux! > > This is somewhat overstating the case. I've been using exactly that > combination for 15 months, and I've been very satisfied. Hmmmm! Are you enable tagged comman queuing? What software? Tar seems to be o.k. dump most time can recover (better survive) 2 hanging SCB! But software which does continuous write lage blocks (30MB) and have a really high optimizing buffer queuing algorithm seems to mak problems, please test ftp://ftp.zn.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/pub/linux/afbackup-2.11.3.tar.gz Lars -- E-Mail: | Lars Koeller Lars.Koeller@Uni-Bielefeld.DE | UNIX Sysadmin lkoeller@cc.FH-Lippe.DE | Computing Center PGP-key: | University of Bielefeld http://www.nic.surfnet.nl/pgp/pks-toplev.html | Germany ----------- FreeBSD, what else? ---- http://www.freebsd.org ------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 24 00:35:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA27830 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:35:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from onyx.auscert.org.au (onyx.auscert.org.au [203.5.112.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA27809 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:35:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from viviani@auscert.org.au) Received: from amethyst.auscert.org.au (amethyst.auscert.org.au [203.5.112.218]) by onyx.auscert.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA20809 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:34:57 +1000 (EST) Received: from amethyst.auscert.org.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by amethyst.auscert.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA27682; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:34:55 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199802240834.SAA27682@amethyst.auscert.org.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: FREEBSD-HARDWARE@FreeBSD.ORG cc: viviani@auscert.org.au Subject: Problem with 21140 chip under FreeBSD 2.2.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:34:54 +1000 From: Viviani Paz Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, My apologies if this question has been asked before. I have been trying to use Accton Ethernet cards with FreeBSD 2.2.5 (dec 21140-AF chip) without much success. I could get the kernel to detect and configure the card correctly and ifconfig also configures the card with no errors, however the card does not talk to the network at all. It does not see any incoming/outgoing packets. I've double checked the cables and they are working fine. Has anyone experienced this problem before? Is there a patch for this? Thanks for your assistance. Regards, Viviani To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 24 01:24:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA04241 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 01:24:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from venus.GAIANET.NET (vince@venus.GAIANET.NET [207.211.200.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA04235 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 01:24:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@venus.GAIANET.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by venus.GAIANET.NET (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA04096 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 01:24:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@venus.GAIANET.NET) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 01:24:22 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Intel Pentium Chipsets Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everyone, Just had a quick question and was wondering if anyone know the specs for the Intel Triton MX chipset. While I know the VX/TX chipsets would only cache up to 64 megs of ram and the HX would do 512 megs of ram. What is the cacheable ram limit on the MX chipset? I was wondering since I'm planning to run FreeBSD on this notebook I just got and the machine comes with 16 megs of ram soldered on but the only memory upgrade options I can do is 24, 32, 80 megs of ram. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 24 03:38:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA21001 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 03:38:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wakko.visint.co.uk (wakko.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA20995 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 03:38:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@visint.co.uk) Received: from dylan (dylan.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.180]) by wakko.visint.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01051; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:37:57 GMT Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:39:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Roome X-Sender: steve@dylan Reply-To: Stephen Roome To: Tony Kimball cc: rif@rif.hoosierlink.net, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mainboard recomendation needed In-Reply-To: <199802231834.MAA07273@compound.east.sun.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Tony Kimball wrote: > > Quoth Jim Riffle on Mon, 23 February: > : they stopped making the ASUS board he knew of and found a FIC PA-2007 > : which looks like it may do the job. However this board uses the VIA VP2 > > FAI and AFAIK, FreeBSD does not support UDMA-33 on VP2. Works fine for me! I've got an FIC PA-2007 and a Fujitsu MPA3035AT (if my memory serves me right), 3.5Gb UDMA-33 disk. Well, it all sped up a bit [lot] when I turned on the UDMA flags at boot. Also, my previous home PC motherboard was SiS based, I'm now using VIA. Neither of these boards have any problems. At work all our boards are Intel-based, and the comparison isn't good. IMHO Intel get away with selling junk just because they can rely on being the "market leader". steve Steve Roome - Vision Interactive Ltd. Tel:+44(0)117 9730597 Home:+44(0)976 241342 WWW: http://dylan.visint.co.uk/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 24 05:43:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA07333 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 05:43:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.itribe.net (gatekeeper.itribe.net [209.49.144.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA07327 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 05:43:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jamie@itribe.net) Message-Id: <199802241339.IAA18063@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Received: forwarded by SMTP 1.5.2. Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:45:08 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Greg Lehey cc: "Daniel O'Callaghan" , Jim Riffle , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mainboard recomendation needed In-Reply-To: <19980224120119.03846@freebie.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Tue, 24 February 1998 at 8:32:41 +1100, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > If you look at www.tomshardware.com (or http://sysdoc.pair.com/), you'll > > see a review of the FIC PA-2007 and the VIA VP2 chipset. > I don't. Just the PA-2012, which seems to be a different board > altogether. http://www.tomshardware.com/motherboard_socket7_fic.html I have an FIC PA-2007, and am very happy with it. It will cache up 256M, but only supports 64M DIMMs, so if you want more than 128M, you have to do it with SIMMs. -- Jamie Bowden Systems Administrator, iTRiBE.net If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 24 06:43:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA14195 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 06:43:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral.com (root@[209.54.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA14176; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 06:43:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from feral-gw (mjacob@gw100.feral.com [192.67.166.129]) by feral.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id GAA21576; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 06:42:08 -0800 Message-ID: <34F2DC3F.61F14B82@feral.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 06:42:07 -0800 From: Matthew Jacob Organization: Feral Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Koeller CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Conclusion: Seagate Python firmware and hanging SCBs on 2940! References: <199802240728.AA198485320@pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is the most ridiculous piece of email I've seen in a while. The point of Linux && FreeBSD is that the software can be changed by you. Since the Python drives are quite functional on quite a number of systems, including ones you have to pay real money for, stating that you should "never use the Python and the Adaptec controller on any FreeBSD or Linux" system seems unfriendly, at best. Lars Koeller wrote: > > -------- > > Hi! > > Just for your information! Don't use any combination of Seagate Python DAT > drives, Adaptec 2940 SCSI controller and FreeBSD or Linux! > > For more information search in > > http://www.dejanews.com/ > > for "SCB +Python" or "firmware +Python" > > Regards > > Lars > -- > E-Mail: | Lars Koeller > Lars.Koeller@Uni-Bielefeld.DE | UNIX Sysadmin > lkoeller@cc.FH-Lippe.DE | Computing Center > PGP-key: | University of Bielefeld > http://www.nic.surfnet.nl/pgp/pks-toplev.html | Germany > ----------- FreeBSD, what else? ---- http://www.freebsd.org ------------- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 24 07:11:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA16963 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:11:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de [129.70.4.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA16947; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:10:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lkoeller@post.uni-bielefeld.de) Received: from pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de [129.70.3.29]) by hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01497; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:13:43 +0100 (MEZ) Received: by pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de with SMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA070613025; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:10:25 +0100 Message-Id: <199802241510.AA070613025@pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0delta 6/3/97 From: Lars Koeller To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Lars Koeller freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Conclusion: Seagate Python firmware and hanging SCBs on 2940! In-Reply-To: mjacob's message of Tue, 24 Feb 1998 06:42:07 -0800. <34F2DC3F.61F14B82@feral.com> X-Face: nLQGe[[K51[{{[C\,BiQm[7]u1m{N>_\%nLBo4t@)CoZ}hK[W7DwX&V=}Wf#Qb,j:Jpj[(12r=b~:dYmh]fDf\,]_frt6eM This is the most ridiculous piece of email I've seen in a while. Great! Do you read all the Email in Dejanews? > The point of Linux && FreeBSD is that the software can be changed > by you. Since the Python drives are quite functional on quite > a number of systems, including ones you have to pay real money for, > stating that you should "never use the Python and the Adaptec > controller on any FreeBSD or Linux" system seems unfriendly, at best. Sure, on Windows it's o.k. On a NCR 815 is's o.k. But I use a Adaptec 2940 now, and the HP1533A at the same SCSI bus works very well, and when the Python should be SCSI-2 conform, it has to work, too. I have two Adaptec (2940U and 2940UW) and a total of 8 devices, which are all running well, I've also tested more than 6 other SCSI disks, some 5 years old, no problem! The Seagate gives me a DOS (ASPI) testprog, which writes 5MB onto the DAT to check if it's working, and this is a very week test in my eyes! The hanging of SCB depends on the software you use. Tar seems to work most, dump gives somtimes probems, and a backup software with a highly optimized buffer queuing system seem to fail always!!!! However. Other people have the same problems, and I only want to bring them onto this path, so they have a chance to avoid this problems! Something else ridiculous? Regards Lars -- E-Mail: | Lars Koeller Lars.Koeller@Uni-Bielefeld.DE | UNIX Sysadmin lkoeller@cc.FH-Lippe.DE | Computing Center PGP-key: | University of Bielefeld http://www.nic.surfnet.nl/pgp/pks-toplev.html | Germany ----------- FreeBSD, what else? ---- http://www.freebsd.org ------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 24 07:14:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17286 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:14:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from voltage.net (voltage.net [208.15.104.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA17279 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:14:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sward@voltage.net) Received: from arky.voltage.net (arky.voltage.net [208.15.104.72]) by voltage.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA04330 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:08:49 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802241508.JAA04330@voltage.net> X-Sender: sward@mail.voltage.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:09:17 -0600 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Susie Ward Subject: Re: Mainboard recomendation needed In-Reply-To: <199802241339.IAA18063@gatekeeper.itribe.net> References: <19980224120119.03846@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:45 AM 2/24/98 -0500, Jamie Bowden wrote: >I have an FIC PA-2007, and am very happy with it. It will cache up 256M, >but only supports 64M DIMMs, so if you want more than 128M, you have to do >it with SIMMs. I guess it's not possible to mix SIMMs and DIMMs? I've read different things about different boards on this topic, but never found any info on the PA-2007 about this. Susie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 24 08:11:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23677 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:11:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from geo.geocast.net (geo.geocast.net [128.177.240.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23672 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:11:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from castor@geocast.net) Received: (from castor@localhost) by geo.geocast.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10757; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:11:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:11:44 -0800 (PST) From: Castor Fu Message-Id: <199802241611.IAA10757@geo.geocast.net> To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, sward@voltage.net Subject: Re: Mainboard recomendation needed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >At 08:45 AM 2/24/98 -0500, Jamie Bowden wrote: >>I have an FIC PA-2007, and am very happy with it. It will cache up 256M, >>but only supports 64M DIMMs, so if you want more than 128M, you have to do >>it with SIMMs. Susie wrote: >I guess it's not possible to mix SIMMs and DIMMs? I've read different >things about different boards on this topic, but never found any info on >the PA-2007 about this. The PA-2011, which appears to be an ATX version of the 2007, in the manual, says: It is recommended that SIMMs and DIIMs are not installed at the same time on this mainboard to avoid unexpected failure. DIM2 and SIMM 1&2 are shared. That is, it is not allowed to install RAM modules on DIM 2 and SIMM 1&2 at the same time. There's a nice table on ram configs. Some of FIC's manuals are available on their web site: http://www.fic.com.tw/techsupport/motherboards/pentium/pa-2007.htm -castor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 24 08:49:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA28672 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:49:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral.com (root@[209.54.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA28570 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:48:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from feral-gw (mjacob@gw100.feral.com [192.67.166.129]) by feral.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA22109; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:33:23 -0800 Message-ID: <34F2F653.73A827AD@feral.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 08:33:23 -0800 From: Matthew Jacob Organization: Feral Software X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Timmons CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, Atipa Subject: Re: Dual PII and environmental monitoring References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------319149932D67F6907E349010" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------319149932D67F6907E349010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I dunno about mainboard monitoring, but I have some uncommitted changes to put into Justin's CAM tree that will do SCSI based environmental monitoring (SES && SAF-TE- used in a lot of new disk arrays). I've been mulling over ways to try and integrate SCSI environmental with mainboard stuff, but not very deeply. I suspect that because the enviro and power stuff shows up in a lot of different places it will just have to be up to a userland app/lib/api-set to sort out what's what. --------------319149932D67F6907E349010 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-POP3-Rcpt: mjacob@feral-gw Return-Path: Received: from sarip.sol.net (mail@sarip.sol.net [169.207.30.120]) by feral.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA01834 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:36:03 -0800 Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) by sarip.sol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNNS-1.02) with ESMTP id LAA01818; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:34:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA14601; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:33:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:33:37 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14554 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:33:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from opus.cts.cwu.edu (skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu [198.104.92.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14500 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:33:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Received: from localhost (skynyrd@localhost) by opus.cts.cwu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13544; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:33:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skynyrd@opus.cts.cwu.edu) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 09:33:25 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Timmons To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Atipa Subject: Dual PII and environmental monitoring Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been researching dual PII boards and have arrived at a quandry about environmental monitoring. Ideally I would like to be able to remotely query server machines to check for fan failures and overheating. At home where I have 7200rpm disks, no air conditioning and summer temperatures that often approach 40C, operating temperatures are a concern. Tyan and ASUS use the National Semiconductor LM78 for monitoring internal temperature, fan speed, etc. There is Linux support for reading this information and an ostensibly complete data sheet available from national at http://www.national.com/ds/LM/LM78.pdf. Likewise, the Intel DK440LX uses the LM79 - data sheet also available. Gigabyte has their own ACOPS technology which they claim is "supported" by all operating systems in that (the bios?) can sense (purportedly more reliably than LM78 based systems) CPU overheating conditions and "auto speed down" the system. Also, the chassis speaker sounds an audible alarm. http://www.giga-byte.com/RACOPS2.html Gigabyte MB's are cost effective and have a good reputation from people on this list; however, it would appear that contrary to their marketing rhetoric ACOPS is a closed-door solution that is a win only for MS$ users who can realize the unmitigatably overwhelming benefits of Gigabyte's bundled patented SIV application. Comments? Technical references from Gigabyte to match National's open, pro free software approach? I can't find them. -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message --------------319149932D67F6907E349010-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 24 09:53:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07735 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:53:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from odd.qualcomm.com (odd.qualcomm.com [129.46.2.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07715 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:53:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from t_sritte@qualcomm.com) Received: from t-sritte (t-sritte.qualcomm.com [129.46.151.245]) by odd.qualcomm.com (8.8.5/1.4/8.7.2/1.14) with SMTP id JAA09087 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:53:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980224095230.00a24c40@happy.qualcomm.com> X-Sender: t_sritte@happy.qualcomm.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:52:30 -0800 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Stephen Ritter Subject: ASUS P2L97DS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am fairly new to FreeBSD (a linux convert!) and would like to know if any of you have experience putting together a machine using the ASUS P2L97DS motherboard? I would like to build a machine which would initially only have one PII300 on the board, but eventually I would add the second. My questions: 1) Will this board work with FreeBSD SMP? 2) Will the FreeBSD kernel be able to detect/use the on-board SCSI controller? 3) Does anyone on this group have experience with this board or ASUS in general? Thanks in advance for any information!! P.S. If my questions can be answered in a FAQ somewhere please let me know (i.e. RTFM is a perfectly good answer). ----------------------------------------------------------- Stephen Ritter t_sritte@qualcomm.com (619)658-3601 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 24 10:51:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15487 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:51:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.itribe.net (gatekeeper.itribe.net [209.49.144.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA15479 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:51:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jamie@itribe.net) Message-Id: <199802241847.NAA19333@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Received: forwarded by SMTP 1.5.2. Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:53:13 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Susie Ward cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mainboard recomendation needed In-Reply-To: <199802241508.JAA04330@voltage.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Susie Ward wrote: > At 08:45 AM 2/24/98 -0500, Jamie Bowden wrote: > >I have an FIC PA-2007, and am very happy with it. It will cache up 256M, > >but only supports 64M DIMMs, so if you want more than 128M, you have to do > >it with SIMMs. > > I guess it's not possible to mix SIMMs and DIMMs? I've read different > things about different boards on this topic, but never found any info on > the PA-2007 about this. It can be done, it's not recommended unless your DIMMs are the same speed and type as your SIMMs, and I am not sure how recommended it is then. The FIC manual has charts on how to mix SIMMs and DIMMs if you choose to do so. -- Jamie Bowden Systems Administrator, iTRiBE.net If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 24 12:32:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01845 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:32:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01836 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:32:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id VAA28564; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:32:11 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:32:10 +0100 (MET) To: Stephen Ritter Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97DS References: <3.0.3.32.19980224095230.00a24c40@happy.qualcomm.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 24 Feb 1998 21:32:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: Stephen Ritter's message of "Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:52:30 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stephen Ritter writes: > Hello, I am fairly new to FreeBSD (a linux convert!) and would like to know > if any of you have experience putting together a machine using the ASUS > P2L97DS motherboard? I would like to build a machine which would initially > only have one PII300 on the board, but eventually I would add the second. I can't answer the questions you asked, but I can tell you this: the P2L97 is not a good performer. It has only three DIMM slots and two ISA slots (although the latter is actually an advantage if you're not planning to use any ISA cards); it is also, to put it mildly, not the fastest LX motherboard around. If I were you, I'd either buy a Tyan or ABIT board instead, or wait for the ASUSTek's *next* LX model. Currently, ABIT LX6 seems to be the best single-CPU PII board, and Tyan Thunder 2 should be a good bet for a dual-CPU PII board. The Thunder 2 has an onboard AIC7895, i.e. Adaptec 3940UW dual-channel SCSI controller, which is supported by the CAM SCSI code (but not by the "old" SCSI code in -stable) -- "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out." (Michael Press on a.s.r) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 24 13:23:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12951 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:23:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from infowest.com (infowest.com [204.17.177.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12943 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:23:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from agifford@infowest.com) Received: from infowest.com (dialup5-30.infowest.net [207.49.60.133]) by infowest.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14075 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:22:36 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34F339F5.F32DA31E@infowest.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:21:57 +0000 From: "Aaron D. Gifford" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97DS References: <3.0.3.32.19980224095230.00a24c40@happy.qualcomm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > > Stephen Ritter writes: > > Hello, I am fairly new to FreeBSD (a linux convert!) and would like to know > > if any of you have experience putting together a machine using the ASUS > > P2L97DS motherboard? I would like to build a machine which would initially > > only have one PII300 on the board, but eventually I would add the second. > > I can't answer the questions you asked, but I can tell you this: the > P2L97 is not a good performer. It has only three DIMM slots and two > ISA slots (although the latter is actually an advantage if you're not > planning to use any ISA cards); it is also, to put it mildly, not the > fastest LX motherboard around. If I were you, I'd either buy a Tyan or > ABIT board instead, or wait for the ASUSTek's *next* LX model. I don't have anything to compare with and I haven't done any benchmarks, so take this with a grain of salt: my P2L97 with a P-II 300MHz on it & 256MB screams! I don't need ISA slots -- I need PCI, and the P2L97 has 5 and an AGP. As for DIMMS, I never noticed, since 256MB is enough for me for now. > > Currently, ABIT LX6 seems to be the best single-CPU PII board, and > Tyan Thunder 2 should be a good bet for a dual-CPU PII board. The > Thunder 2 has an onboard AIC7895, i.e. Adaptec 3940UW dual-channel > SCSI controller, which is supported by the CAM SCSI code (but not by > the "old" SCSI code in -stable) > > -- > "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out." (Michael Press on a.s.r) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message Aaron out. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 24 17:00:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21050 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:00:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gorillanet.gorilla.net (gorillanet.gorilla.net [208.128.8.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA21000 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:00:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@gorilla.net) Received: from [208.143.84.47] by gorillanet.gorilla.net (NTMail 3.03.0014/18.aaac) with ESMTP id wa007614 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:59:29 -0600 Received: (from tom@localhost) by gorilla.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10708; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:00:23 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tom) Message-ID: <19980224185943.32371@TOJ.org> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:59:43 -0600 From: Tom Jackson To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97DS Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3.0.3.32.19980224095230.00a24c40@happy.qualcomm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980224095230.00a24c40@happy.qualcomm.com>; from Stephen Ritter on Tue, Feb 24, 1998 at 09:52:30AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Feb 24, 1998 at 09:52:30AM -0800, Stephen Ritter wrote: > Hello, I am fairly new to FreeBSD (a linux convert!) and would like to know > if any of you have experience putting together a machine using the ASUS > P2L97DS motherboard? I would like to build a machine which would initially > only have one PII300 on the board, but eventually I would add the second. > > My questions: > > 1) Will this board work with FreeBSD SMP? > 2) Will the FreeBSD kernel be able to detect/use the on-board SCSI controller? > 3) Does anyone on this group have experience with this board or ASUS in > general? > > Thanks in advance for any information!! > > P.S. If my questions can be answered in a FAQ somewhere please let me know > (i.e. RTFM is a perfectly good answer). > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Stephen Ritter > t_sritte@qualcomm.com > (619)658-3601 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message Mine runs like a banshee with one pII266 and 128MB. ISA slots are not in mush demand :) Very happy with it, maybe I'm not smart enough to know the difference. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 24 19:17:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15801 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:17:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from atlantis.nconnect.net (root@atlantis.nconnect.net [207.227.50.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15785 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:17:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kb8rjy@m-net.arbornet.org) Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (birddog-mke-x2-185.nconnect.net [207.227.61.185]) by atlantis.nconnect.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA07502 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:08:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34F38E20.C075A8A6@m-net.arbornet.org> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:21:05 -0600 From: "Shaun Q." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: boca #BEN40012R ethernet card support? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is this card supported under fbsd? It is the RJ45/10Base2 combo. Thanks for any help. Shaun Qualheim Manitowoc Lincoln High School To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Feb 24 22:05:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13901 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:05:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA13889 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:05:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y7Zgi-0003Jb-00; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:47:24 -0800 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:47:24 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: "Aaron D. Gifford" cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97DS In-Reply-To: <34F339F5.F32DA31E@infowest.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Aaron D. Gifford wrote: > > I can't answer the questions you asked, but I can tell you this: the > > P2L97 is not a good performer. It has only three DIMM slots and two > > ISA slots (although the latter is actually an advantage if you're not > > planning to use any ISA cards); it is also, to put it mildly, not the > > fastest LX motherboard around. If I were you, I'd either buy a Tyan or > > ABIT board instead, or wait for the ASUSTek's *next* LX model. > > I don't have anything to compare with and I haven't done any benchmarks, > so take this with a grain of salt: my P2L97 with a P-II 300MHz on it & > 256MB screams! I agree with that. The original poster doesn't really seem to qualify what "not a good performer" means either. The poster should back up wild statements with some facts. The ASUS P2L97 is a good board. Also, the P2L97DS has 4 DIMM sockets. Only the P2L97 has three DIMMs. Either way, that is enough for 384MB of RAM using 128MB DIMMs. BTW, the only DIMMs I've ever seen are 128MB... I don't care about ISA cards either. I don't know why anyone would put 16 bit cards in a P2 motherboard. The fewer ISA slots the better. Can't wait until a ZERO ISA slot motherboard is made. Means more room for PCI slots. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 25 04:35:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03454 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 04:35:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA03428 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 04:35:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id NAA27963; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:35:07 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:35:06 +0100 (MET) To: Tom Cc: "Aaron D. Gifford" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97DS References: Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 25 Feb 1998 13:35:05 +0100 In-Reply-To: Tom's message of "Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:47:24 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 55 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tom writes: > On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Aaron D. Gifford wrote: > > [I wrote] > > > I can't answer the questions you asked, but I can tell you this: the > > > P2L97 is not a good performer. It has only three DIMM slots and two > > > > I don't have anything to compare with and I haven't done any benchmarks, > > so take this with a grain of salt: my P2L97 with a P-II 300MHz on it & > > 256MB screams! > > I agree with that. The original poster doesn't really seem to qualify > what "not a good performer" means either. The poster should back up > wild statements with some facts. The ASUS P2L97 is a good board. Is that a variant form of "mommy, the nasty man is dissing my motherboard, make him stop"? I based my claim on benchmark results which place the P2L97 about halfway between "wouldn't use it if they paid me to" and "wouldn't part with it if they paid me to". These results are there for all to see at . The ASUS P2L97 is undoubtedly (as every other board ASUSTek has ever made) a robust, high-quality board, but that does not necessarily mean it is fast. Also, Aaron, when you describe a P2L97 system as a "screamer", what are you comparing with? Do you have a couple of ABIT or Tyan systems with comparable CPUs running alongside your ASUS system? Can *you* point to benchmark results? Or are you comparing your 300 MHz PII with your kid brother's 166 MHz Pentium MMX or something? Sorry, but ASUS aren't what they used to be, although I am looking forward to their next LX motherboard, in the hope that they will live up to the P55T2P4. Besides, my attitude to *any* Slot I motherboard is skepticism. > Also, the P2L97DS has 4 DIMM sockets. Only the P2L97 has three DIMMs. > Either way, that is enough for 384MB of RAM using 128MB DIMMs. BTW, the > only DIMMs I've ever seen are 128MB... I have yet to see one of those. I can get cheap 32 MB and 64 MB DIMMS in at least three different stores in Oslo though. > I don't care about ISA cards either. I don't know why anyone would put > 16 bit cards in a P2 motherboard. The fewer ISA slots the better. Can't > wait until a ZERO ISA slot motherboard is made. Means more room for PCI > slots. How many PCI sound cards do you know of? Sorry - how many *cheap* and *readily available* PCI cound cards do you know of? -- "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out." (Michael Press on a.s.r) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 25 05:29:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09481 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:29:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vader.cs.berkeley.edu (vader.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.38.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09426 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:29:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@vader.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (ala-ca34-52.ix.netcom.com [207.93.143.180]) by vader.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA14237; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:28:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU (8.8.8/8.6.9) id FAA18595; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:28:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:28:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802251328.FAA18595@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> To: vince@venus.GAIANET.NET CC: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Vincent Poy on Tue, 24 Feb 1998 01:24:22 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: Intel Pentium Chipsets From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Go to www.intel.com for Intel chipset datasheets. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 25 07:21:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04494 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:21:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from plains.NoDak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04458 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:20:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.NoDak.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26254; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:20:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:20:30 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199802251520.JAA26254@plains.NoDak.edu> To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, t_sritte@qualcomm.com Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97DS Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Coidan Smrgrav writes: > Currently, ABIT LX6 seems to be the best single-CPU PII board, and > Tyan Thunder 2 should be a good bet for a dual-CPU PII board. be sure to ask your supplier about their customer's ABIT LX6 failure rate. Locally, 2 ABIT LX6 motherboards failed in less than 24 hours of use and our supplier said the return rate on the board is real high. They may have had a bad lot or there could be a design problem. the people working on this machine decided to switch to another motherboard manufacturer. --mark. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 25 08:15:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12723 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:15:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from venus.GAIANET.NET (vince@venus.GAIANET.NET [207.211.200.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA12582; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:14:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@venus.GAIANET.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by venus.GAIANET.NET (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA11725; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:14:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@venus.GAIANET.NET) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:14:50 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Satoshi Asami cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Pentium Chipsets In-Reply-To: <199802251328.FAA18595@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Satoshi Asami wrote: > Go to www.intel.com for Intel chipset datasheets. I did and the link went to the development site. It seems like the datasheets have changed. The ones a few months ago used to mention the amount of cacheable ram but the new ones don't. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 25 09:09:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24520 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:09:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA24413; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:09:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from gnipahellir.ifi.uio.no (2602@gnipahellir.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.86]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id SAA12342; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:09:03 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by gnipahellir.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:09:02 +0100 (MET) To: Vincent Poy Cc: Satoshi Asami , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Pentium Chipsets References: Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 25 Feb 1998 18:09:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: Vincent Poy's message of "Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:14:50 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Vincent Poy writes: > On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Satoshi Asami wrote: > > Go to www.intel.com for Intel chipset datasheets. > I did and the link went to the development site. It seems like > the datasheets have changed. The ones a few months ago used to mention > the amount of cacheable ram but the new ones don't. Look harder, and keep in mind that for the Pentium II, it's not the chipset that determines the amount of cacheable memory, but the processor, since the L2 cache is located on the processor card. The datasheet for the 430HX chipset, for instance, has cacheability information in section 4.3 "Secondary Cache Interface", on page 35. It indicates that the HX chipset can support up to 512 MB of cached RAM when equipped with 11-bit tag chips. BTW, the datasheets I read were those listed on . -- "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out." (Michael Press on a.s.r) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 25 09:15:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25906 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:15:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from venus.GAIANET.NET (root@venus.GAIANET.NET [207.211.200.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25870; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:15:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@venus.GAIANET.NET) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by venus.GAIANET.NET (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA12115; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:15:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vince@venus.GAIANET.NET) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:15:03 -0800 (PST) From: Vincent Poy To: Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav cc: Satoshi Asami , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Pentium Chipsets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id JAA25879 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 25 Feb 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > Vincent Poy writes: > > On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Satoshi Asami wrote: > > > Go to www.intel.com for Intel chipset datasheets. > > I did and the link went to the development site. It seems like > > the datasheets have changed. The ones a few months ago used to mention > > the amount of cacheable ram but the new ones don't. > > Look harder, and keep in mind that for the Pentium II, it's not the > chipset that determines the amount of cacheable memory, but the > processor, since the L2 cache is located on the processor card. > > The datasheet for the 430HX chipset, for instance, has cacheability > information in section 4.3 "Secondary Cache Interface", on page 35. It > indicates that the HX chipset can support up to 512 MB of cached RAM > when equipped with 11-bit tag chips. > > BTW, the datasheets I read were those listed on > . I think I know what I did wrong now. Before, they used to have a comparison chart or a summary of each chipset but now it's in .pdf so that's why I couldn't find it. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 25 09:20:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27397 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA27316 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:19:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y7kDX-0003pF-00; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:01:59 -0800 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:01:57 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav cc: "Aaron D. Gifford" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97DS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id JAA27328 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 25 Feb 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > > I agree with that. The original poster doesn't really seem to qualify > > what "not a good performer" means either. The poster should back up > > wild statements with some facts. The ASUS P2L97 is a good board. > > Is that a variant form of "mommy, the nasty man is dissing my > motherboard, make him stop"? You didn't give any proof for you statement. So I must assume your statement is made up. > I based my claim on benchmark results which place the P2L97 about > halfway between "wouldn't use it if they paid me to" and "wouldn't > part with it if they paid me to". These results are there for all to > see at . Great, WinStone results... Seems to be heavy emphasis on AGP. Another technology I'm not interested in, unless I can plug some kind of network or disk controller into it. > The ASUS P2L97 is undoubtedly (as every other board ASUSTek has ever > made) a robust, high-quality board, but that does not necessarily mean > it is fast. > > Also, Aaron, when you describe a P2L97 system as a "screamer", what > are you comparing with? Do you have a couple of ABIT or Tyan systems > with comparable CPUs running alongside your ASUS system? Can *you* > point to benchmark results? Or are you comparing your 300 MHz PII with > your kid brother's 166 MHz Pentium MMX or something? > > Sorry, but ASUS aren't what they used to be, although I am looking > forward to their next LX motherboard, in the hope that they will live > up to the P55T2P4. > > Besides, my attitude to *any* Slot I motherboard is skepticism. > > > Also, the P2L97DS has 4 DIMM sockets. Only the P2L97 has three DIMMs. > > Either way, that is enough for 384MB of RAM using 128MB DIMMs. BTW, the > > only DIMMs I've ever seen are 128MB... > > I have yet to see one of those. I can get cheap 32 MB and 64 MB DIMMS > in at least three different stores in Oslo though. A single 128MB DIMM is cheaper than two 64MB DIMMs or 4 32MB DIMMs. Besides, the P2L97DS has 4 sockets. Strangely, the www.tomshardware.com site didn't even mention that... > > I don't care about ISA cards either. I don't know why anyone would put > > 16 bit cards in a P2 motherboard. The fewer ISA slots the better. Can't > > wait until a ZERO ISA slot motherboard is made. Means more room for PCI > > slots. > > How many PCI sound cards do you know of? Sorry - how many *cheap* and > *readily available* PCI cound cards do you know of? I don't care about sound either. The two provided ISA slots are more than enough for someone's cheap 16 bit sound card though. If you feel the need to impair your system with further 16bit stuff, you still have one more card. > -- > "I have a closed mind. It helps keeping the rain out." (Michael Press on a.s.r) Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 25 09:24:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA28445 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:24:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from foxdev.parker.net (foxdev.parker.net [206.14.52.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28205 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:24:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jas@flyingfox.com) Received: (from jas@localhost) by foxdev.parker.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24866; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:31:10 GMT Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 10:31:10 GMT From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199802251031.KAA24866@foxdev.parker.net> To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, tom@sdf.com Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97DS Cc: agifford@infowest.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) writes: > I based my claim on benchmark results which place the P2L97 about > halfway between "wouldn't use it if they paid me to" and "wouldn't > part with it if they paid me to". These results are there for all to > see at . To put this into perspective, the Asus board appears to benchmark about 2% slower than the Abit. People's needs will differ; for me, a 2% performance difference is of neglibible importance compared to stability and reliability. Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 25 09:40:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03110 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:40:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02736 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:39:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25600; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:39:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802251739.JAA25600@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Tom cc: "Aaron D. Gifford" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97DS In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 25 Feb 98 09:01:57 -0800. Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:39:19 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> > Also, the P2L97DS has 4 DIMM sockets. Only the P2L97 has three DIMMs. >> > Either way, that is enough for 384MB of RAM using 128MB DIMMs. BTW, the >> > only DIMMs I've ever seen are 128MB... >> I have yet to see one of those. I can get cheap 32 MB and 64 MB DIMMS >> in at least three different stores in Oslo though. > A single 128MB DIMM is cheaper than two 64MB DIMMs or 4 32MB DIMMs. This is not true from any price sheets I've seen. There is a very noticeable jump between 32MB and larger SDRAM DIMMs. For example, according to The Chip Merchant, I could get 128MB with 4 x 32MB DIMMs and pay $244. I could do it with 2 x 64MB DIMMs and pay $316. I could do it with 1 x 128MB DIMMs and pay $325. Note that I'm speaking specifically of SDRAM, here, and there may be cheaper DIMMs out there that don't use SDRAM. Of course, RAM prices change daily, so this balance will change. But we're not there yet, and it will probably be a few months, at least, where 128MB SDRAM DIMMs are consistently cheaper than smaller DIMMs. Currently the "sweet spot" is with 32MB DIMMs. It will probably shift to 64MB DIMMs in the next two to three months (I'm guessing). 128MB DIMMs may be around the end of the year. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon mvanloon@exmsft.com michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 25 09:49:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05355 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:49:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from solaric.UkrCard.Kiev.UA (ukrcard-gu.gu.net [194.93.170.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04970; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:48:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@solaric.UkrCard.Kiev.UA) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by solaric.UkrCard.Kiev.UA (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA19459; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:45:48 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from alex@solaric.UkrCard.Kiev.UA) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:45:47 +0200 (EET) From: Alexander Tatmaniants To: Vincent Poy cc: =?KOI8-R?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav?= , Satoshi Asami , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel Pentium Chipsets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Vincent Poy wrote: > On 25 Feb 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > > > Vincent Poy writes: > > > On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Satoshi Asami wrote: > > > > Go to www.intel.com for Intel chipset datasheets. > > > I did and the link went to the development site. It seems like > > > the datasheets have changed. The ones a few months ago used to mention > > > the amount of cacheable ram but the new ones don't. > > > > Look harder, and keep in mind that for the Pentium II, it's not the > > chipset that determines the amount of cacheable memory, but the > > processor, since the L2 cache is located on the processor card. > > > > The datasheet for the 430HX chipset, for instance, has cacheability > > information in section 4.3 "Secondary Cache Interface", on page 35. It > > indicates that the HX chipset can support up to 512 MB of cached RAM > > when equipped with 11-bit tag chips. > > > > BTW, the datasheets I read were those listed on > > . > > I think I know what I did wrong now. Before, they used to have a > comparison chart or a summary of each chipset but now it's in .pdf so > that's why I couldn't find it. take a look at /usr/ports/print/gv/pkg/DESCR > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 25 12:19:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05113 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:19:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from otess.com (root@cartero.otess.com [207.12.248.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05087 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:18:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mluser01@otess.com) Received: from cafe (cafe.otess.com [207.12.248.75]) by otess.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA05959 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:20:40 -0800 Message-Id: <199802252020.MAA05959@otess.com> X-Sender: mluser01@postoffice.otess.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3-J (32) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:16:23 -0800 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Shin'ichiro Seto/OTESS, Inc." Subject: Configuration for 100 clients Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm planning to build two Internet servers for a site that has about 100 clients with T1 connection. One will be running proxy and the other one will be running SMTP, BIND, http, and pop3(imap4 could be). I wonder if my configuration, shown as below, is good enough for 100 clients with T1 connection. Proxy server Pentium 133Mhz, Memory 64Mbytes, IDE Disk, 10BASE-T Internet server Pentium 133Mhz, Memory 32Mbytes, IDE Disk, 10BASE-T Do I need more memory, SCSI, 100BASE-T, or more powerful CPU? Any suggestions will be very appreciated for me. Thanks in advance, +--------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Shin'ichiro Seto | E-Mail: sseto@OTESS.COM | | Open TEchnology SolutionS, Inc.| URL: http://www.otess.com | | 23272 Mill Creek Dr. Suite 220 | Tel: 714-951-6600 ext105 | | Laguna Hills, CA 92653 | Fax: 714-951-6700 | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | ***** Your Door to the Solutions ***** OTESS, Inc. | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 25 12:30:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08491 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:30:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.linkdesign.com (relay.linkdesign.com [194.42.128.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08481 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 12:30:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michael@linkdesign.com) Received: from cyprus.vds.linkdesign.com (host24.bln.de [194.162.193.232]) by relay.linkdesign.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA23152; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:30:13 +0200 (EET) Received: from Linkdesign.com (localhost. [127.0.0.1]) by cyprus.vds.linkdesign.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA05162; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:29:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Michael.Bielicki@Linkdesign.com) Message-Id: <199802252029.VAA05162@cyprus.vds.linkdesign.com> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:29:08 +0100 (CET) From: Michael.Bielicki@linkdesign.com Reply-To: Michael.Bielicki@linkdesign.com Subject: Re: Configuration for 100 clients To: mluser01@otess.com cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199802252020.MAA05959@otess.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; BOUNDARY="0-1714636915-888438558=:24091" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --0-1714636915-888438558=:24091 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII On 25 Feb, Shin'ichiro Seto/OTESS, Inc. wrote: > > I'm planning to build two Internet servers for a site that has about > 100 clients with T1 connection. > One will be running proxy and the other one will be running SMTP, BIND, > http, and pop3(imap4 could be). I wonder if my configuration, shown as > below, is good enough for 100 clients with T1 connection. > > > Proxy server > Pentium 133Mhz, Memory 64Mbytes, IDE Disk, 10BASE-T Use at least 4 disks and stripe them after creating on each one a swap partition :) One Disk for the System and 3 for the Proxy :) 64MB looks ok we were running a 64MB proxy for 512 simultaneous connections for a year or so and the speed was ok :) > > Internet server > Pentium 133Mhz, Memory 32Mbytes, IDE Disk, 10BASE-T > Same goes here. One Disk for the System, One for Var and /usr/local, tmp in MFS (swapspace) and at least 64MB RAM to handle the mail and BIND stuff will do for ca. 100 customers. CPU does not matter much in that scenario. > > Do I need more memory, SCSI, 100BASE-T, or more powerful CPU? > > Any suggestions will be very appreciated for me. > > > Thanks in advance, > -- Michael Bielicki Buisnetco Telecom. Ltd. Link Design International Ltd. 13 Iras Str., Office 23 65, Cliff Rd, Tramore Nicosia 1061, Cyprus http://www.linkdesign.com Co. Waterford, Ireland Voice: +357-2-362 421 Voice: +353-51-386921 Fax: +357-2-362 429 We use FreeBSD Fax: +353-51-390880 --0-1714636915-888438558=:24091 Content-Type: APPLICATION/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBNPR/GMneSpf+YTVhAQExkgP5AblGZRDxF5wlE962J66FHKUJbVVWrdql NEN7wwIst33gykOa6L3zIkvbf3s5SIe0l724Wwqg4+dzo8zq15d+jQqYTL/cdyG0 ihelZBGvMhRZohfnyeA3emgE/X7oa5ESrK6oWU04F9/e6xblYYNb456nI6O88pM/ KcYiwicbUUg= =+6ri -----END PGP MESSAGE----- --0-1714636915-888438558=:24091-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 25 13:14:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20192 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:14:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net (kalypso.cybercom.net [209.21.136.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19875 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:13:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ksmm@cybercom.net) Received: from atlanta (mfd-dial1-29.cybercom.net [209.21.137.29]) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA29533 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:13:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802252113.QAA29533@kalypso.cybercom.net> X-Sender: ksmm@mail.cybercom.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:00:20 -0500 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: The Classiest Man Alive Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97DS In-Reply-To: References: <34F339F5.F32DA31E@infowest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:47 AM 2/25/98 , Tom wrote: > >On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Aaron D. Gifford wrote: > >>> I can't answer the questions you asked, but I can tell you this: the >>> P2L97 is not a good performer. It has only three DIMM slots and two >>> ISA slots (although the latter is actually an advantage if you're not >>> planning to use any ISA cards); it is also, to put it mildly, not the >>> fastest LX motherboard around. If I were you, I'd either buy a Tyan or >>> ABIT board instead, or wait for the ASUSTek's *next* LX model. >> >> I don't have anything to compare with and I haven't done any benchmarks, >> so take this with a grain of salt: my P2L97 with a P-II 300MHz on it & >> 256MB screams! > > I agree with that. The original poster doesn't really seem to qualify >what "not a good performer" means either. The poster should back up >wild statements with some facts. The ASUS P2L97 is a good board. I'm with you guys. Everybody that I've heard that's actually used one of these boards has had nothing but good things to say about it. More importantly, I'm pleased with my purhase of a P2L97. > Also, the P2L97DS has 4 DIMM sockets. Only the P2L97 has three DIMMs. >Either way, that is enough for 384MB of RAM using 128MB DIMMs. BTW, the >only DIMMs I've ever seen are 128MB... I've seen 32 MB and 64 MB models. Interestingly, at the places I've checked, two 64 MB modules are less and one 128 MB module. Same with 32s and 64s. I never remember that being the case with DIMMs, but it kept me from using 128 MB DIMMs on my board. Just couldn't afford 'em. :-( > I don't care about ISA cards either. I don't know why anyone would put >16 bit cards in a P2 motherboard. The fewer ISA slots the better. Can't >wait until a ZERO ISA slot motherboard is made. Means more room for PCI >slots. Not the least bit nostaglic, huh, Tom? :-) Actually, since I've been migrating hardware for a few processor generations now, I'm glad that there are still a couple of ISA slots on most boards these days. (I still need at least two.) Besides, ISA hardware is extremely cheap and still very useful for cards that don't need mad speed. K.S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 25 13:22:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22940 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:22:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA22847 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:22:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id NAA20879; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:21:53 -0800 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id QAA12833; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:21:49 -0500 Received: from compound.east.sun.com by suneast.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA04171; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 16:21:49 -0500 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.east.sun.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id NAA03011; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:21:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:21:22 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Message-Id: <199802251921.NAA03011@compound.east.sun.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97DS References: X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under 19.14 XEmacs Lucid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id NAA22867 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoth Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav on , 25 February: : : How many PCI sound cards do you know of? Sorry - how many *cheap* and : *readily available* PCI cound cards do you know of? I haven't been looking, but the Ensoniq card comes to mind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 25 21:02:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15468 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:02:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.inreach.com (mail.inreach.com [209.142.0.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15344 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:01:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dburr@POBoxes.com) Received: from 199-170-160-237.la.inreach.net (199-170-160-237.la.inreach.net [199.107.160.237]) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.8/8.8.6/(InReach)) with SMTP id UAA16155; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 20:31:24 -0800 (PST) From: dburr@POBoxes.com (Donald Burr) To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97DS Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 04:35:07 GMT Message-ID: <34f4f0b2.1506866@mail.inreach.com> References: <199802251921.NAA03011@compound.east.sun.com> In-Reply-To: <199802251921.NAA03011@compound.east.sun.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id VAA15380 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:21:22 -0600 (CST), you wrote: >: How many PCI sound cards do you know of? Sorry - how many *cheap* and >: *readily available* PCI cound cards do you know of? > >I haven't been looking, but the Ensoniq card comes to mind. Yeah, but how many of them are compatible with the existing sound drivers? Ex. Luigi's sound driver (which is now part of -current) explicitly states that no PCI soundcards are supported. -- Donald Burr Web: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 25 21:15:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18563 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:15:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18493 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:15:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA10986; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:21:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980226002157.05202@vmunix.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:21:57 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM, dag-erli@ifi.uio.no Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97DS References: <199802251921.NAA03011@compound.east.sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199802251921.NAA03011@compound.east.sun.com>; from Tony Kimball on Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 01:21:22PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Feb 25, 1998 at 01:21:22PM -0600, Tony Kimball wrote: > Quoth Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav on , 25 February: > : > : How many PCI sound cards do you know of? Sorry - how many *cheap* and > : *readily available* PCI cound cards do you know of? > > I haven't been looking, but the Ensoniq card comes to mind. Or the Turtle Beach, based on the same chipset I believe. Both are very reasonably priced for what you're getting. -Mark > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The problem is how do you build tools that understand your programs at a deeper semantic level." - James Gosling To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 25 22:34:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00665 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:34:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roguetrader.com (cold.org [206.81.134.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00650 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:34:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brandon@roguetrader.com) Received: from localhost (brandon@localhost) by roguetrader.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA04118 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:34:47 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:34:47 -0700 (MST) From: Brandon Gillespie To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: YAMAHA CDR, worm device support? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a YAMAHA CD writer I want to use--is there support for it in the worm device, perhaps in -current? With 2.2.5 it just probes as a standard CDROM, as: ahc0:A:5: refuses synchronous negotiation. Using asynchronous transfers (ahc0:5:0): "YAMAHA CDR400t 1.0d" type 5 removable SCSI 2 cd0(ahc0:5:0): CD-ROM cd0(ahc0:5:0): unexpected targ_status: 1 can't get the size -Brandon Gillespie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Feb 25 23:50:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09987 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:50:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from plugcom.ru (uucp@radiance.plugcom.ru [195.2.73.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA09981 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:50:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tarkhil@minas-tirith.pol.ru) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (uucp@localhost) by plugcom.ru (8.8.7/8.8.6) with UUCP id KAA14018 for FreeBSD.ORG!freebsd-hardware; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:50:15 +0300 (MSK) Received: from minas-tirith.pol.ru (minas-tirith.pol.ru [127.0.0.1]) by minas-tirith.pol.ru (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA12799; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:46:52 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from tarkhil@minas-tirith.pol.ru) Message-Id: <199802260746.KAA12799@minas-tirith.pol.ru> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Brandon Gillespie cc: FreeBSD.ORG!freebsd-hardware@minas-tirith.pol.ru Subject: Re: YAMAHA CDR, worm device support? In-reply-to: Your message "Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:34:47 MST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:46:50 +0300 From: Alex Povolotsky Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brandon Gillespie wri tes: >I have a YAMAHA CD writer I want to use--is there support for it in the >worm device, perhaps in -current? With 2.2.5 it just probes as a standard >CDROM, as: Simon Shapiro is writing support for it, and I'm testing it ;-) But I know nothing on SCSI and Yamaha WORM yet :-( and Simon currently has no time :-( Alex. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 26 00:47:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18154 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:47:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18120 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:47:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA23227; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:45:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802260845.AAA23227@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Shaun Q." cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: boca #BEN40012R ethernet card support? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:21:05 CST." <34F38E20.C075A8A6@m-net.arbornet.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:45:15 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Is this card supported under fbsd? It is the RJ45/10Base2 combo. It's not clear which card you are actually talking about. BOCA have a set of NE2000-compatible ISA cards, all of which should work just fine, and a PCI combo card based on the AMD PC-Net chip which also works OK. But you can do much better than this; anything based on the Digital chip, for example, presuming you need the BNC connector. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 26 09:58:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23790 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:58:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [198.53.145.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23781 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:58:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paulg@interlog.com) Received: from shell1.interlog.com (paulg@shell1.interlog.com [207.34.202.8]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.8.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA28041 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:58:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:57:35 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Griffith To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: NEC 4X 7 CD Changer Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just picked up a new NEC Multispin 4X 7 CD changer for about $35CDN to replace my old Toshiba 1X drive. On restart my FreeBSD system sees the CD changer, and all 7 LUNs, plus my other Toshiba 4X. So we have something like this: SCSI 4 - Toshiba 4X cd0 SCSI 5 - NEC 4X changer cd1 ....cd7 So I run the MAKEDEV script to add the additional /dev entries, on the last one MAKEDEV cd7 I get the following error: Bad unit for disk in: cd7 I quick look at MAKEDEV show it only 7 CD-ROM's (cd0 - cd6). I modified MAKEDEV to allow 7 CD-ROM's (cd0-cd7). That seem to work fine, execpt I have to issue the mount command twice, since it times out the first time. Maybe I should add SLOW_SCSI/SCSI_DELAY in the kernal and re-compile ? I would perfer to use the ch driver, Do I have to hard-wire it down in the kernel ? If you can point me in the right directions please let me know ? I already tried man 4 ch. -- Paul Griffith - paulg@interlog.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 26 11:59:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14142 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:59:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [195.1.171.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA13957 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:58:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) From: sthaug@nethelp.no Received: (qmail 25914 invoked by uid 1001); 26 Feb 1998 19:58:33 +0000 (GMT) To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASUS P2L97DS In-Reply-To: Your message of "25 Feb 1998 13:35:05 +0100" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.28.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:58:33 +0100 Message-ID: <25912.888523113@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I agree with that. The original poster doesn't really seem to qualify > > what "not a good performer" means either. The poster should back up > > wild statements with some facts. The ASUS P2L97 is a good board. > > Is that a variant form of "mommy, the nasty man is dissing my > motherboard, make him stop"? > > I based my claim on benchmark results which place the P2L97 about > halfway between "wouldn't use it if they paid me to" and "wouldn't > part with it if they paid me to". These results are there for all to > see at . > > The ASUS P2L97 is undoubtedly (as every other board ASUSTek has ever > made) a robust, high-quality board, but that does not necessarily mean > it is fast. The tests at the URL you refer have the fastest board around 2 to 4% faster than the slowest board on the Winstone benchmarks, and 1% on the 3d benchmarks. To me these differences are extremely small, and using them to support a claim of "not a good performer" shows a certain lack of realism... Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 26 15:48:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25963 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:48:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp2.mailsrvcs.net (smtp2.gte.net [207.115.153.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25685 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:46:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from orthoefe@gte.net) Received: from moltar.oshea.lan (1Cust84.max25.orlando.fl.ms.uu.net [153.34.174.84]) by smtp2.mailsrvcs.net with SMTP id RAA08913; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:46:25 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:47:38 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Orthoefer X-Sender: orthoefe@moltar.oshea.lan To: Brandon Gillespie cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: YAMAHA CDR, worm device support? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Until the mentioned worm support is integrated, try enabling SCSIDEBUG in the kernel and using cdrecord-1.5 from the ports collection. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 26 16:12:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01242 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:12:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thunderdome.plutotech.com (root@thunderdome.plutotech.com [206.168.67.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01005 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:12:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (ken@panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by thunderdome.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01515; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:12:18 -0700 (MST) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id RAA15790; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:12:16 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199802270012.RAA15790@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: NEC 4X 7 CD Changer In-Reply-To: from Paul Griffith at "Feb 26, 98 12:57:35 pm" To: paulg@interlog.com (Paul Griffith) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:12:16 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paul Griffith wrote... > I just picked up a new NEC Multispin 4X 7 CD changer for about $35CDN to > replace my old Toshiba 1X drive. On restart my FreeBSD system sees the > CD changer, and all 7 LUNs, plus my other Toshiba 4X. So we have something > like this: > > SCSI 4 - Toshiba 4X cd0 > SCSI 5 - NEC 4X changer cd1 ....cd7 > > So I run the MAKEDEV script to add the additional /dev entries, on the last > one MAKEDEV cd7 I get the following error: > > Bad unit for disk in: cd7 > > I quick look at MAKEDEV show it only 7 CD-ROM's (cd0 - cd6). I modified > MAKEDEV to allow 7 CD-ROM's (cd0-cd7). I ran into the same problem with MAKEDEV, so I modified the version in the CAM tree to be a little smarter about making CD devices: ===== cut here ===== ==== //depot/cam/etc/etc.i386/MAKEDEV#13 - //depot/cam/etc/etc.i386/MAKEDEV#14 ==== *************** *** 667,694 **** cd*|mcd*|scd*) umask $disk_umask case $i in ! cd*) unit=`expr $i : '..\(.*\)'`; name=cd; blk=6; chr=15;; ! mcd*) unit=`expr $i : '...\(.*\)'`; name=mcd; blk=7; chr=29;; ! scd*) unit=`expr $i : '...\(.*\)'`; name=scd; blk=16; chr=45;; esac ! case $unit in ! 0|1|2|3|4|5|6) ! mknod ${name}${unit}a b $blk `expr $unit '*' 8 + 0` ! mknod ${name}${unit}c b $blk `expr $unit '*' 8 + 2` ! mknod r${name}${unit}a c $chr `expr $unit '*' 8 + 0` ! mknod r${name}${unit}c c $chr `expr $unit '*' 8 + 2` ! chgrp operator ${name}${unit}[a-h] r${name}${unit}[a-h] ! case $name in ! cd) ! mknod r${name}${unit}.ctl c $chr `expr $unit '*' 8 + $scsictl ` ! chmod 600 r${name}${unit}.ctl ! ;; ! esac ! ;; ! *) ! echo bad unit for disk in: $i ! ;; ! esac umask 77 ;; --- 667,699 ---- cd*|mcd*|scd*) umask $disk_umask case $i in ! cd*) units=`expr $i : '..\(.*\)'`; name=cd; blk=6; chr=15;; ! mcd*) units=`expr $i : '...\(.*\)'`; name=mcd; blk=7; chr=29;; ! scd*) units=`expr $i : '...\(.*\)'`; name=scd; blk=16; chr=45;; esac ! if [ "X${units}" = "X" -o ${units} -le 0 ]; then ! units=1 ! fi ! if [ "${units}" -le 31 ]; then ! eval `echo ${chr} ${blk} ${units} ${name} |awk \ ! '{ c=$1; b=$2; n=$3; name=$4;} END{ ! for (i = 0; i < n; i++){ ! printf("rm -f %s%d* r%s%d*; \ ! mknod %s%da b %d %d; \ ! mknod %s%dc b %d %d; \ ! mknod r%s%da c %d %d; \ ! mknod r%s%dc c %d %d; \ ! chgrp operator %s%d* r%s%d*;", ! name, i, name, i, ! name, i, b, (i * 8), ! name, i, b, (i * 8) + 2, ! name, i, c, (i * 8), ! name, i, c, (i * 8) + 2, ! name, i, name, i); }}'` ! ! else ! echo "$i is invalid -- can't have more than 32 cd devices" ! fi umask 77 ;; ===== cut here ===== So, with that change, you can type: sh MAKEDEV 12 If you want 12 CD devices. > That seem to work fine, execpt I > have to issue the mount command twice, since it times out the first time. > Maybe I should add SLOW_SCSI/SCSI_DELAY in the kernal and re-compile ? That probably won't help, since AFAIK, SCSI_DELAY only affects the bus settle delay during probe, and SCSI_SLOW doesn't exist. My guess is that your problem is that one of the commands that is sent to mount the CD is timing out. The changer probably isn't changing fast enough to service the request before the timeout hits. The reason the second mount works is because the changer has already changed to that disk, so it can service the request before the timeout hits. One problem I found with the 2x NEC 7-cd changer that Lars Fredriksen lent me is that it doesn't seem to disconnect from the bus when probed. (and probably at other times as well) If you're just having trouble mounting the CD, that probably isn't your problem, though. > I would perfer to use the ch driver, Do I have to hard-wire it down in the > kernel ? If you can point me in the right directions please let me know ? > I already tried man 4 ch. Unless the NEC drive probes as a changer device as well as a bunch of CD devices, you can't use the ch(4) driver. CD switching is done based upon which cd device you access. The CAM CD driver has much better changer support than the CD driver in -current. I would suggest checking out the next CAM snapshot, it may fix things for you. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 26 17:59:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23356 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:59:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23153; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:58:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01575; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:28:50 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA07161; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:28:49 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980227122849.39793@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:28:49 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Lars Koeller Cc: Lars Koeller , freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Conclusion: Seagate Python firmware and hanging SCBs on 2940! References: <19980224180111.16031@freebie.lemis.com> <199802240806.AA214087617@pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199802240806.AA214087617@pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de>; from Lars Koeller on Tue, Feb 24, 1998 at 09:06:57AM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 February 1998 at 9:06:57 +0100, Lars Koeller wrote: > ---------- > > Oh! > > In reply to Greg Lehey who wrote: > >> On Tue, 24 February 1998 at 8:28:40 +0100, Lars Koeller wrote: >>> -------- >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Just for your information! Don't use any combination of Seagate Python DAT >>> drives, Adaptec 2940 SCSI controller and FreeBSD or Linux! >> >> This is somewhat overstating the case. I've been using exactly that >> combination for 15 months, and I've been very satisfied. > > Hmmmm! Are you enable tagged comman queuing? Not explicitly. I haven't checked. I'm running pretty much the latest -CURRENT. > What software? tar > Tar seems to be o.k. Yup. > dump most time can recover (better survive) 2 hanging SCB! But > software which does continuous write lage blocks (30MB) and have a > really high optimizing buffer queuing algorithm seems to mak > problems, please test > > ftp://ftp.zn.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/pub/linux/afbackup-2.11.3.tar.gz Now that's an interesting viewpoint. I don't intend to change my backup patterns, especially since it would promise to make things worse, but it's a valid comment. On the other hand, it doesn't mean you can say "Don't use any combination of Seagate Python DAT drives, Adaptec 2940 SCSI controller and FreeBSD or Linux!" Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 26 19:53:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10860 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:53:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [206.127.225.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA10845 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:52:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard@pegasus.com) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id RAA22790; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:52:34 -1000 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:52:34 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199802270352.RAA22790@pegasus.com> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Olympus D600L Digital Camera? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Aloha, has anyone used the Olympus D600L Digital Camera with FreeBSD? I'm told it has a serial interface (that's kinda slow) as well as a PCMCIA adapter for it's memory cards which sounds like the preferrable way to transfer images. Sounds like a pretty nice camera, but if it doesn't work with FreeBSD then that makes it much less interesting. Thanks Richard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 26 21:17:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA20223 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:17:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA20168 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:16:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA23462; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:16:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA01515; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:16:44 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:16:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199802270516.WAA01515@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Olympus D600L Digital Camera? In-Reply-To: <199802270352.RAA22790@pegasus.com> References: <199802270352.RAA22790@pegasus.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Aloha, has anyone used the Olympus D600L Digital Camera with FreeBSD? I'm not sure which model I have, hold on.... Nope, I've got the 320L. > I'm told it has a serial interface (that's kinda slow) as well as > a PCMCIA adapter for it's memory cards which sounds like the preferrable > way to transfer images. The PCMCIA adapter looks like a WD hard-disk. It works slick under Win95, but I don't think it's supported in FreeBSD. > Sounds like a pretty nice camera, but if it doesn't work with FreeBSD > then that makes it much less interesting. There is very little useful software for digital imaging that exists under FreeBSD as compared to Windows. For me, I haven't bothered. (Although I believe there is a program in ports that will do the serial port thing.) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 26 22:52:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA06770 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:52:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06762 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:52:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA29492; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:52:27 -0800 (PST) To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Olympus D600L Digital Camera? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:52:34 -1000." <199802270352.RAA22790@pegasus.com> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:52:26 -0800 Message-ID: <29489.888562346@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Aloha, has anyone used the Olympus D600L Digital Camera with FreeBSD? They work fine - see /usr/ports/graphics/camediaplay. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 26 22:55:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07101 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:55:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de [129.70.4.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06871; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:53:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lkoeller@post.uni-bielefeld.de) Received: from pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de [129.70.3.29]) by hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA18887; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:56:53 +0100 (MEZ) Received: by pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de with SMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA182242415; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:53:35 +0100 Message-Id: <199802270653.AA182242415@pollux.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0delta 6/3/97 From: Lars Koeller To: Greg Lehey Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Conclusion: Seagate Python firmware and hanging SCBs on 2940! In-Reply-To: grog's message of Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:28:49 +1030. <19980227122849.39793@freebie.lemis.com> X-Face: nLQGe[[K51[{{[C\,BiQm[7]u1m{N>_\%nLBo4t@)CoZ}hK[W7DwX&V=}Wf#Qb,j:Jpj[(12r=b~:dYmh]fDf\,]_frt6eM On Tue, 24 February 1998 at 9:06:57 +0100, Lars Koeller wrote: > > > In reply to Greg Lehey who wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 24 February 1998 at 8:28:40 +0100, Lars Koeller wrote: > >> > >>> Just for your information! Don't use any combination of Seagate > >>> Python DAT > >>> drives, Adaptec 2940 SCSI controller and FreeBSD or Linux! > >> > >> This is somewhat overstating the case. I've been using exactly that > >> combination for 15 months, and I've been very satisfied. > > > > Hmmmm! Are you enable tagged comman queuing? > > Not explicitly. I haven't checked. I'm running pretty much the > latest -CURRENT. > > > What software? > > tar > > > Tar seems to be o.k. > > Yup. > > > dump most time can recover (better survive) 2 hanging SCB! But > > software which does continuous write lage blocks (30MB) and have a > > really high optimizing buffer queuing algorithm seems to mak > > problems, please test > > > > ftp://ftp.zn.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/pub/linux/afbackup-2.11.3.tar.gz > > Now that's an interesting viewpoint. I don't intend to change my > backup patterns, especially since it would promise to make things > worse, but it's a valid comment. On the other hand, it doesn't mean > you can say "Don't use any combination of Seagate Python DAT drives, > Adaptec 2940 SCSI controller and FreeBSD or Linux!" Yes, you are right, my 'conclusion' was a little bit to general, but it's really a pain, afbackup is really a very good backup solution for smaller networks, or home machines. On the other hand, it's a pain with hardware that works/fail application dependent! I can't really conclude, but it seems to be a firmware problem, which Seagate is not willing to fix. So the only solution is to buy a HP DAT and never choose again a Seagate one in my case. Or to disable tagged command queuing for all devices, which is unresonable. How do you think such problems should be handled in the future? Do we need a fix on the FreeBSD device driver layer, or should we try to make 'preassure' (think this isn't possible) on Seagate??? Lars -- E-Mail: | Lars Koeller Lars.Koeller@Uni-Bielefeld.DE | UNIX Sysadmin lkoeller@cc.FH-Lippe.DE | Computing Center PGP-key: | University of Bielefeld http://www.nic.surfnet.nl/pgp/pks-toplev.html | Germany ----------- FreeBSD, what else? ---- http://www.freebsd.org ------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Feb 26 23:11:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09645 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:11:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@199-170-160-235.la.inreach.net [199.107.160.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA09634 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:11:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dburr@colossus.dyn.ml.org) Received: (from dburr@localhost) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA18063; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:11:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dburr) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:11:36 -0800 (PST) From: Donald Burr Message-Id: <199802270711.XAA18063@colossus.dyn.ml.org> To: nate@mt.sri.com, richard@pegasus.com Subject: Re: Olympus D600L Digital Camera? Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nate says: ----- There is very little useful software for digital imaging that exists under FreeBSD as compared to Windows. For me, I haven't bothered. (Although I believe there is a program in ports that will do the serial port thing.) ----- You may want to check out SANE: http://www.mostang.com/sane/ It is a package for scanning (SANE stands for Scanner Access Now Easy), but (I believe) it also supports some digital cameras, so that you can grab images from them. It compiles under a number of different UNIXlike OS's, including FreeBSD. -- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Feb 27 07:58:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08743 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:58:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08643 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:58:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA27229; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:58:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA03802; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:58:40 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:58:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199802271558.IAA03802@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Donald Burr Cc: nate@mt.sri.com, richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Olympus D600L Digital Camera? In-Reply-To: <199802270711.XAA18063@colossus.dyn.ml.org> References: <199802270711.XAA18063@colossus.dyn.ml.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > ----- > There is very little useful software for digital imaging that exists > under FreeBSD as compared to Windows. For me, I haven't bothered. > (Although I believe there is a program in ports that will do the serial > port thing.) > ----- > > You may want to check out SANE: [ Scanner software ] What I meant was image manipulation/cataloging software. I've got a scanner that works under FreeBSD already, but I've found that almost *every* image that I want to keep that I've taken with my camera needs touch-ups. I can't do that w/any software available in FreeBSD. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Feb 27 08:06:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09719 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:06:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gibson.bathl.westnet.net.uk (cyberc.demon.co.uk [193.237.161.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09688 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:06:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from graham@cyberc.demon.co.uk) Received: (from graham@localhost) by gibson.bathl.westnet.net.uk (8.8.7/8.6.9) id QAA02776 for hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:05:22 GMT From: Graham Breach Message-Id: <199802271605.QAA02776@gibson.bathl.westnet.net.uk> Subject: Writing PCI device driver - HELP! To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:05:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been thrown in at the deep end here - I have a Symbios IEEE 1394 (Firewire) PCI card to get working and I don't know anything about writing device drivers. So far I've managed to hack together enough bits from looking at other PCI drivers to get the card probed, but now I'm stuck. Can anyone point me in the right direction (documentation, books, etc.)? Thanks in advance. Graham Breach To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Feb 27 08:12:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10368 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:12:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA10352 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:12:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA02145; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:10:25 -0800 (PST) To: Nate Williams cc: Donald Burr , richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Olympus D600L Digital Camera? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:58:40 MST." <199802271558.IAA03802@mt.sri.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:10:24 -0800 Message-ID: <2142.888595824@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > What I meant was image manipulation/cataloging software. I've got a > scanner that works under FreeBSD already, but I've found that almost > *every* image that I want to keep that I've taken with my camera needs > touch-ups. I can't do that w/any software available in FreeBSD. Oh, I dunno - between xv and the gimp it's possible to do quite a bit of hardware touching up. I've processed several hundred pictures from my D-320L entirely on my FreeBSD box, using xv to do gamma correction or alter the color balance of an image. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Feb 27 08:15:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11227 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:15:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11182 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:15:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17272; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:11:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802271611.IAA17272@implode.root.com> To: Nate Williams cc: Donald Burr , richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Olympus D600L Digital Camera? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:58:40 MST." <199802271558.IAA03802@mt.sri.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:11:49 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> ----- >> There is very little useful software for digital imaging that exists >> under FreeBSD as compared to Windows. For me, I haven't bothered. >> (Although I believe there is a program in ports that will do the serial >> port thing.) >> ----- >> >> You may want to check out SANE: > >[ Scanner software ] > >What I meant was image manipulation/cataloging software. I've got a >scanner that works under FreeBSD already, but I've found that almost >*every* image that I want to keep that I've taken with my camera needs >touch-ups. I can't do that w/any software available in FreeBSD. Neither xv nor xpaint are useful to you? -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Feb 27 08:24:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13301 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:24:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13264 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:24:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA27460; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:23:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA04190; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:23:10 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:23:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199802271623.JAA04190@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: dg@root.com Cc: Nate Williams , Donald Burr , richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Olympus D600L Digital Camera? In-Reply-To: <199802271611.IAA17272@implode.root.com> References: <199802271558.IAA03802@mt.sri.com> <199802271611.IAA17272@implode.root.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> There is very little useful software for digital imaging that exists > >> under FreeBSD as compared to Windows. For me, I haven't bothered. > >> (Although I believe there is a program in ports that will do the serial > >> port thing.) > >> ----- > >> > >> You may want to check out SANE: > > > >[ Scanner software ] > > > >What I meant was image manipulation/cataloging software. I've got a > >scanner that works under FreeBSD already, but I've found that almost > >*every* image that I want to keep that I've taken with my camera needs > >touch-ups. I can't do that w/any software available in FreeBSD. > > Neither xv nor xpaint are useful to you? Not nearly as much so as the software provided with the camera. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Feb 27 08:26:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA13471 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:26:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13450 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:26:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA27485; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:24:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA04289; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:24:54 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:24:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199802271624.JAA04289@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Nate Williams , Donald Burr , richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Olympus D600L Digital Camera? In-Reply-To: <2142.888595824@time.cdrom.com> References: <199802271558.IAA03802@mt.sri.com> <2142.888595824@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > What I meant was image manipulation/cataloging software. I've got a > > scanner that works under FreeBSD already, but I've found that almost > > *every* image that I want to keep that I've taken with my camera needs > > touch-ups. I can't do that w/any software available in FreeBSD. > > Oh, I dunno - between xv and the gimp it's possible to do quite a bit > of hardware touching up. I've processed several hundred pictures from > my D-320L entirely on my FreeBSD box, using xv to do gamma correction > or alter the color balance of an image. I'm usually doing more than gamma correction/color balance, but I agree that you *must* do that on every picture taken. Nate ps. That D-320L is a *very* nice camera, isn't it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Feb 27 08:29:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA14165 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:29:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14143 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:29:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA02369; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:27:32 -0800 (PST) To: Nate Williams cc: Donald Burr , richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Olympus D600L Digital Camera? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:24:54 MST." <199802271624.JAA04289@mt.sri.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:27:32 -0800 Message-ID: <2366.888596852@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > ps. That D-320L is a *very* nice camera, isn't it. Yes, for the price you can't beat it. :) Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Feb 27 10:12:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29446 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:12:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from EDISWITCH2.uninet.net.mx (EDISWITCH2.uninet.net.mx [200.33.150.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29441 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:12:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@ver1.telmex.net.mx) Received: from sunix (ver1-162.uninet.net.mx [200.38.135.162] (may be forged)) by EDISWITCH2.uninet.net.mx (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA02375; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:02:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34F700FC.3FD92771@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:08:17 -0600 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nate Williams CC: dg@root.com, Donald Burr , richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Olympus D600L Digital Camera? References: <199802271558.IAA03802@mt.sri.com> <199802271611.IAA17272@implode.root.com> <199802271623.JAA04190@mt.sri.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nate Williams wrote: > > > >> There is very little useful software for digital imaging that exists > > >> under FreeBSD as compared to Windows. For me, I haven't bothered. > > >> (Although I believe there is a program in ports that will do the serial > > >> port thing.) > > >> ----- > > >> > > >> You may want to check out SANE: > > > > > >[ Scanner software ] > > > > > >What I meant was image manipulation/cataloging software. I've got a > > >scanner that works under FreeBSD already, but I've found that almost > > >*every* image that I want to keep that I've taken with my camera needs > > >touch-ups. I can't do that w/any software available in FreeBSD. > > > > Neither xv nor xpaint are useful to you? > > Not nearly as much so as the software provided with the camera. > > Nate I recommend that you give the GIMP a try from /usr/ports/graphics/gimp-devel on current it compiles and runs right out-of-the-box. IMHO It is as good as anything in window$ and a lot better than most. You might want to start at http://www.gimp.org provecho ed P.D. If you're not up to date on current, I am referring to version 0.99.18. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Feb 27 13:47:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04819 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:47:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ewc-nt.ewc.edu (surf4282.se.mediaone.net [24.129.49.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04693; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:46:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@ewc-nt.ewc.edu) Received: (from root@localhost) by ewc-nt.ewc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA00745; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:51:25 GMT (envelope-from root) Received: from eot.cs.uoregon.edu ([128.223.202.87]) by ewc-nt.ewc.edu (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA264 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:40:33 -0500 Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) by eot.cs.uoregon.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17458; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:42:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA23326; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:42:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:40:26 -0800 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22452 for current-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:40:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from seera.nttlabs.com (seera.nttlabs.com [204.162.36.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22410; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:40:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gene@nttlabs.com) Received: from nttlabs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by seera.nttlabs.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA28495; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:39:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34CCCA5B.7B5AA8FD@nttlabs.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:39:39 -0800 From: "Eugene M. Kim" Organization: NTT Multimedia Communications Laboratories X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hardware FreeBSD ML CC: Current FreeBSD ML , "Eugene M. Kim" Subject: Re: ie0 and EE16 References: <199801201816.MAA24372@compound.east.sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-IMAP-Date: 26-Jan-1998 12:40:54 +0000 X-UID: 358 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, Tony Kimball wrote: > > Just FYI, the ie driver consistently fails for me after several days > of use, with an EE16 card. The mode: network activity stops (by the > hub light); no messages are logged; ping returns "sendto: no buffer > space available"; 'ifconfig ie0 down; ifconfig ie0 up' causes ping > to stop reporting errors, but no network activity occurs until reboot. > > Strangely, I've never seen this effect with NFS traffic, only with X, > and specific applications seem to trigger it: Acroread, or netscape, > for example, but not ghostview. My 3COM 3C509-TP ISA card (ep) does, too. The network activity on ep0 stops almost invariably when I use Netscape on another Win95 PC and try to download something big which imposes a load on the network continuously. It also stops when using Acroread. The symptom is exactly the same as Mr. Kimball's one, that is, some programs including ping report that there is no buffer space available, and also ifconfig ep0 shows that OACTIVE attribute is set on the interface; does this ring a bell to anyone? I CC'ed this message to FreeBSD-current mailing list because I had not seen this problem until the world was rebuilt with a recent -current source tree. This problem was first seen about a week ago. Hope this helped and thanks much, Gene -- Eugene M. Kim Software Developer NTT Multimedia Communications Laboratories mailto:gene@nttlabs.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Feb 27 14:29:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12279 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:29:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12181; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:28:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA15807; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:28:14 +0100 (MET) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.6.9) id WAA01027; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:16:41 +0100 (CET) X-Face: " Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:16:41 +0100 From: Stefan Esser To: Graham Breach , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Stefan Esser Subject: Re: Writing PCI device driver - HELP! References: <199802271605.QAA02776@gibson.bathl.westnet.net.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199802271605.QAA02776@gibson.bathl.westnet.net.uk>; from Graham Breach on Fri, Feb 27, 1998 at 04:05:22PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1998-02-27 16:05 +0000, Graham Breach wrote: > > I've been thrown in at the deep end here - I have a Symbios IEEE 1394 > (Firewire) PCI card to get working and I don't know anything about writing > device drivers. I'm willing to review your probe/attach code (the only parts that ought to know about PCI), if you send me the sources ... Just curious: Will this driver be available in source form, when it is finished ? > So far I've managed to hack together enough bits from looking at other PCI > drivers to get the card probed, but now I'm stuck. I'll answer your questions, just give me a day or two during the week, since I can't check my new mail each day ... > Can anyone point me in the right direction (documentation, books, etc.)? I have prepared slides (in German), which might be easy to translate. I assume you got the PCI standard documents, and you may want to get "PCI System Architecture" from Mindshare Inc. (Addison Wesley) as a good introduction into the concepts of PCI. Regards, STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Feb 27 14:32:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13269 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:32:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13097 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:32:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29142; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:29:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802272229.OAA29142@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Nate Williams cc: Donald Burr , richard@pegasus.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Olympus D600L Digital Camera? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:58:40 MST." <199802271558.IAA03802@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:29:29 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > [ Scanner software ] > > What I meant was image manipulation/cataloging software. I've got a > scanner that works under FreeBSD already, but I've found that almost > *every* image that I want to keep that I've taken with my camera needs > touch-ups. I can't do that w/any software available in FreeBSD. The GIMP works just fine. I use it for various legally-dubious things all the time. As for cataloging, that's a bit tougher, but the XV 'visual schnauzer' gives you the basic move-by-thumbnails functinality, and beyond that I used an mysql database custom-rolled for the job. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Feb 27 17:04:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10163 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:04:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from srv.net (snake.srv.net [199.104.81.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10086; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:04:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cmott@srv.net) Received: from darkstar.home (ras604.srv.net [205.180.127.104]) by srv.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA08506; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:04:00 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:03:27 -0700 (MST) From: Charles Mott X-Sender: cmott@darkstar.home To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CSU/DSU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are there any CSU/DSU modules that plug into an ISA or PCI slot? My basic interest is getting a T-1 (DS-1, actually) connection using FreeBSD as the router. The CSU/DSU units I have seen communicate with a router via a synchronous serial connection. Are there any economical interface cards designed to receive a 1.5 megabit/sec synchronous connection? Are standard UARTs capable of this? Charles Mott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Feb 28 10:21:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03437 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:21:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA03404; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:20:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0y8qbH-0006xn-00; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:03:03 -0800 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:03:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Charles Mott cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CSU/DSU In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Charles Mott wrote: > Are there any CSU/DSU modules that plug into an ISA or PCI slot? My basic > interest is getting a T-1 (DS-1, actually) connection using FreeBSD as the > router. > > The CSU/DSU units I have seen communicate with a router via a synchronous > serial connection. Are there any economical interface cards designed to > receive a 1.5 megabit/sec synchronous connection? Are standard UARTs > capable of this? You can get high speed sync cards for FreeBSD at http://www.etinc.com. Also, cards supported by the ar(4) driver, and the cx(4) driver. "Standard" UARTs are not capable of sync operation. A typical sync card will do PPP framing for you, so you need a specialized driver to send packets to the card. I think USR/3COM makes a card with a built in DSU. It is not supported under FreeBSD though. Integrated DSUs can be a pain. They almost never give you as much info as a real DSU. > Charles Mott Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message