From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 27 21:34:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27311 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:34:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tasam.com (tasam.com [198.232.144.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA27306 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:34:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from clash@tasam.com) Received: from bug (bug.tasam.com [198.232.144.254]) by tasam.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA10580 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005e01bdea99$3611e440$f10408d1@bug.tasam.com> From: "Joe Gleason" To: Subject: Server Stability not good anymore Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 00:33:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am a madman that runs a shell server. The server was running just fine untill a few days ago when I upgraded some hardware. Now it randomly reboots every 20 or so hours, which is very bad for me. Does anyone know where I should start in finding the problem? I was running: A PII 233mhz with 512mb of Ram on a Tyan S1832DL with FreeBSD 2.2.6. I ran in this configuration with 4 128mb dimms at one time and 2 128mb dimms and 1 256mb dimm on anouther occasion with no problems. In both cases the stability was great. Recently, I replaced the 233mhz with a 350mhz and put in anouther 128mb dimm. So I now have 3 128mb dimms and 1 256mb dimm for a total of 640mb. Each of these dimms was running just fine in one of the previous setups with great reliability. So I know the Ram I am using works fine at 66mhz and I *think* it is all pc100, but I am not sure. If one of the dimms is not, should the system even boot when I try a 100mhz bus processor? Is there anything else anyone can think of that might cause the about problem of randomly rebooting after many hours? Is there any strange thing that freebsd might start doing when the system has more than 512mb that could do this? I can't really open the box and check to see if all the ram is pc100 right now, because the box is a few miles away right now. Joe Gleason Tasam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 27 22:13:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01220 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:13:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from VMS.UCI.KUN.NL (vms.uci.kun.nl [131.174.64.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01215 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:13:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.Staring@UCI.KUN.NL) Received: from uci.kun.nl (ops4.uci.kun.nl) by VMS.UCI.KUN.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #8798) with ESMTP id <01J2BXY9P9K0000INY@VMS.UCI.KUN.NL> for hardware@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 07:13:11 +0200 (MET-DST) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:13:18 +0200 From: Purrcat Subject: Traxdata CDr To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: K.Staring@UCI.KUN.NL Message-id: <360F28FE.A52F0BDD@uci.kun.nl> Organization: Universitary Center for Informationprovision MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [nl] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi , I'd like to know if anyone has a traxdata cd recorder up and running on FreeBSD. And if so (or if not), can anyone recommend any cd record device that isn't already recommended by The Jordan? -- Khamba Staring "Windhose NT can be run by any idiot, and it usually is..." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 27 22:23:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02603 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:23:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tasam.com (tasam.com [198.232.144.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02592 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:23:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from clash@tasam.com) Received: from bug (bug.tasam.com [198.232.144.254]) by tasam.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA07973 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00ee01bdeaa0$23aeb100$f10408d1@bug.tasam.com> From: "Joe Gleason" To: Subject: Re: Server Stability not good anymore Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:23:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To answer my own question, I think it is my ram. Every time my backup runs, which is coping from one drive to anouther drive, all the free ram becomes disk cache and the system reboots, aparently having hit a bad bit of ram. It might be something to do with something broken with the ide under high usage, but that makes no sense because non of the disk setup has changed. Does any one know what order dimms are used? Is it like bank 0 is filled before using bank 1 or does it fill them all simultanously? Am I making sense, or am I raving like a madman? (Either happens rarely, usally I am in a gray area in between) Joe Gleason Tasam >I am a madman that runs a shell server. The server was running just fine >untill a few days ago when I upgraded some hardware. Now it randomly >reboots every 20 or so hours, which is very bad for me. Does anyone know >where I should start in finding the problem? > >I was running: >A PII 233mhz with 512mb of Ram on a Tyan S1832DL with FreeBSD 2.2.6. >I ran in this configuration with 4 128mb dimms at one time and 2 128mb dimms >and 1 256mb dimm on anouther occasion with no problems. In both cases the >stability was great. > >Recently, I replaced the 233mhz with a 350mhz and put in anouther 128mb >dimm. So I now have 3 128mb dimms and 1 256mb dimm for a total of 640mb. >Each of these dimms was running just fine in one of the previous setups with >great reliability. > >So I know the Ram I am using works fine at 66mhz and I *think* it is all >pc100, but I am not sure. If one of the dimms is not, should the system >even boot when I try a 100mhz bus processor? Is there anything else anyone >can think of that might cause the about problem of randomly rebooting after >many hours? Is there any strange thing that freebsd might start doing when >the system has more than 512mb that could do this? > >I can't really open the box and check to see if all the ram is pc100 right >now, because the box is a few miles away right now. > >Joe Gleason >Tasam > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 27 22:33:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03382 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:33:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tasam.com (tasam.com [198.232.144.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03377 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:33:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from clash@tasam.com) Received: from bug (bug.tasam.com [198.232.144.254]) by tasam.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA15139; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <015401bdeaa1$8dd01320$f10408d1@bug.tasam.com> From: "Joe Gleason" To: "Jan B. Koum " Cc: Subject: Re: Server Stability not good anymore Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:31:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2110.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You would think that 640mb is exesive, but you have never run a shell server then. ;-) I do need it. At 512mb, I was swaping a good 30mb to disk. Right now, I am agreeing with your conclusion. > > Bad bad bad. Mixing ram is not good. :P My guess is that one of >those new 128MB dimms you put in is no good. Take it out and see if >crashes still take place. Also, I am sure you really don't need 640MB in >your system. :P > >-- Yan > >I don't have the password .... + Jan Koum >But the path is chainlinked .. | Spelled Jan, pronounced Yan. There. >So if you've got the time .... | Web: http://www.best.com/~jkb >Set the tone to sync ......... + OS: http://www.FreeBSD.org > >On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Joe Gleason wrote: > >>I am a madman that runs a shell server. The server was running just fine >>untill a few days ago when I upgraded some hardware. Now it randomly >>reboots every 20 or so hours, which is very bad for me. Does anyone know >>where I should start in finding the problem? >> >>I was running: >>A PII 233mhz with 512mb of Ram on a Tyan S1832DL with FreeBSD 2.2.6. >>I ran in this configuration with 4 128mb dimms at one time and 2 128mb dimms >>and 1 256mb dimm on anouther occasion with no problems. In both cases the >>stability was great. >> >>Recently, I replaced the 233mhz with a 350mhz and put in anouther 128mb >>dimm. So I now have 3 128mb dimms and 1 256mb dimm for a total of 640mb. >>Each of these dimms was running just fine in one of the previous setups with >>great reliability. >> >>So I know the Ram I am using works fine at 66mhz and I *think* it is all >>pc100, but I am not sure. If one of the dimms is not, should the system >>even boot when I try a 100mhz bus processor? Is there anything else anyone >>can think of that might cause the about problem of randomly rebooting after >>many hours? Is there any strange thing that freebsd might start doing when >>the system has more than 512mb that could do this? >> >>I can't really open the box and check to see if all the ram is pc100 right >>now, because the box is a few miles away right now. >> >>Joe Gleason >>Tasam >> >> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message >> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 27 22:46:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04884 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:46:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA04867 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:46:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkb@best.com) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) with SMTP id WAA20028; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:45:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 22:45:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jan B. Koum " X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: Joe Gleason cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server Stability not good anymore In-Reply-To: <015401bdeaa1$8dd01320$f10408d1@bug.tasam.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Joe Gleason wrote: >You would think that 640mb is exesive, but you have never run a shell server >then. ;-) >I do need it. At 512mb, I was swaping a good 30mb to disk. > >Right now, I am agreeing with your conclusion. > I beg to differ. I have ran a shell server before and still do run a couple. They might not have as many users/jobs as your server however. OTOH, my ISP (best.com) runs heave HEAVE loaded servers. They do all: shell, web, ftp, telnet, pop, imap, etc. But they are not throwing all their users into a single system - instead they are putting about 2000 users per box. The boxes are PPro200s with 128MB of RAM. They usually have 150-200 users on line at any time (this is logged in users + pop/imap/web users) per system. One of their head engineers (who is also a FreeBSD developer) wrote an article recently for Newsletter #2 about FreeBSD use in ISP like environment. Check out: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/newsletter/ How many users do you have on your system? If it less then 5000 you should be fine with 512 or less MB of ram (unless the all like to run emacs at the same time *grin*) -- Yan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 27 23:40:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA11098 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:40:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.dragondata.com (home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA11093 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:40:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id BAA00519; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:40:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199809280640.BAA00519@home.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: Server Stability not good anymore In-Reply-To: from "Jan B. Koum" at "Sep 27, 98 10:45:23 pm" To: jkb@best.com (Jan B. Koum) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:40:26 -0500 (CDT) Cc: clash@tasam.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Joe Gleason wrote: > > >You would think that 640mb is exesive, but you have never run a shell server > >then. ;-) > >I do need it. At 512mb, I was swaping a good 30mb to disk. > > > >Right now, I am agreeing with your conclusion. > > > > I beg to differ. I have ran a shell server before and still do run > a couple. They might not have as many users/jobs as your server however. > OTOH, my ISP (best.com) runs heave HEAVE loaded servers. They do > all: shell, web, ftp, telnet, pop, imap, etc. But they are not throwing all > their users into a single system - instead they are putting about 2000 > users per box. The boxes are PPro200s with 128MB of RAM. They usually have > 150-200 users on line at any time (this is logged in users + pop/imap/web > users) per system. One of their head engineers (who is also a FreeBSD > developer) wrote an article recently for Newsletter #2 about FreeBSD use > in ISP like environment. Check out: > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/newsletter/ > How many users do you have on your system? If it less then 5000 > you should be fine with 512 or less MB of ram (unless the all like to run > emacs at the same time *grin*) > To add some data: Right now, 8 users logged in, 103 eggdrops running, 15 bnc's running, and god only knows what else they've decided to run: shell1# top last pid: 28349; load averages: 0.57, 0.30, 0.51 01:36:44 176 processes: 1 running, 172 sleeping, 3 zombie CPU states: 2.7% user, 0.0% nice, 0.8% system, 1.2% interrupt, 95.3% idle Mem: 214M Active, 12M Inact, 46M Wired, 41M Cache, 8342K Buf, 63M Free Swap: 256M Total, 128K Used, 256M Free (all web/mail/etc is done on another server) We've got 384MB of ram in the box right now - seems to be handling the bursts we get of 5 users deciding to compile something with -j4 at once. :) The PII/400 we're using now seems to be overkill, but our users aren't exactly complaining. :) Kevin Day DragonData To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 27 23:54:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12887 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:54:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12882 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:54:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkb@best.com) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) with SMTP id XAA26158; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:53:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:53:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jan B. Koum " X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: Kevin Day cc: clash@tasam.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server Stability not good anymore In-Reply-To: <199809280640.BAA00519@home.dragondata.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Uhm.. it is somewhat your fault if you let your users to use as much memory as they want. :) They are users and don't know any better (nice? what nice?). I'd suggest limiting memory and cpu to your users via login class features (look at /etc/login.conf). Thanks, -- Yan I don't have the password .... + Jan Koum But the path is chainlinked .. | Spelled Jan, pronounced Yan. There. So if you've got the time .... | Web: http://www.best.com/~jkb Set the tone to sync ......... + OS: http://www.FreeBSD.org On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Kevin Day wrote: >> >> On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Joe Gleason wrote: >> >> >You would think that 640mb is exesive, but you have never run a shell server >> >then. ;-) >> >I do need it. At 512mb, I was swaping a good 30mb to disk. >> > >> >Right now, I am agreeing with your conclusion. >> > >> >> I beg to differ. I have ran a shell server before and still do run >> a couple. They might not have as many users/jobs as your server however. >> OTOH, my ISP (best.com) runs heave HEAVE loaded servers. They do >> all: shell, web, ftp, telnet, pop, imap, etc. But they are not throwing all >> their users into a single system - instead they are putting about 2000 >> users per box. The boxes are PPro200s with 128MB of RAM. They usually have >> 150-200 users on line at any time (this is logged in users + pop/imap/web >> users) per system. One of their head engineers (who is also a FreeBSD >> developer) wrote an article recently for Newsletter #2 about FreeBSD use >> in ISP like environment. Check out: >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/newsletter/ >> How many users do you have on your system? If it less then 5000 >> you should be fine with 512 or less MB of ram (unless the all like to run >> emacs at the same time *grin*) >> > >To add some data: > >Right now, 8 users logged in, 103 eggdrops running, 15 bnc's running, and >god only knows what else they've decided to run: > >shell1# top >last pid: 28349; load averages: 0.57, 0.30, 0.51 01:36:44 >176 processes: 1 running, 172 sleeping, 3 zombie >CPU states: 2.7% user, 0.0% nice, 0.8% system, 1.2% interrupt, 95.3% idle >Mem: 214M Active, 12M Inact, 46M Wired, 41M Cache, 8342K Buf, 63M Free >Swap: 256M Total, 128K Used, 256M Free > >(all web/mail/etc is done on another server) > >We've got 384MB of ram in the box right now - seems to be handling the >bursts we get of 5 users deciding to compile something with -j4 at once. :) > >The PII/400 we're using now seems to be overkill, but our users aren't >exactly complaining. :) > > >Kevin Day >DragonData > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 27 23:57:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13094 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:57:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.dragondata.com (home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13089 for ; Sun, 27 Sep 1998 23:57:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id BAA01249; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:57:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199809280657.BAA01249@home.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: Server Stability not good anymore In-Reply-To: from "Jan B. Koum" at "Sep 27, 98 11:53:51 pm" To: jkb@best.com (Jan B. Koum) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 01:57:17 -0500 (CDT) Cc: clash@tasam.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Uhm.. it is somewhat your fault if you let your users to use as > much memory as they want. :) They are users and don't know any better > (nice? what nice?). > > I'd suggest limiting memory and cpu to your users via login class > features (look at /etc/login.conf). Thanks, > This should probably be moved to freebsd-isp if we go any further here... :) No, we don't let them run free.... Most users are limited to one background process (must stay under 2MB) or some software we have goes through and kills it. I don't mind them (temporarily) eating up ram, but nothing for more than 10-15 mins. We're using login.conf to limit CPU usage already. (eggdrop seems to have a bug where it'll go nuts and sit in a loop.... the cpu limit kills them rather easily). Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 28 06:52:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12270 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 06:52:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12265 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 06:52:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@mail.HiWAAY.net) Received: (from dkelly@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) id IAA21493; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:52:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:52:26 -0500 (CDT) From: David Kelly Message-Id: <199809281352.IAA21493@mail.HiWAAY.net> To: clash@tasam.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server Stability not good anymore Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Joe Gleason" writes: > > I am a madman that runs a shell server. The server was running just fine > untill a few days ago when I upgraded some hardware. Now it randomly > reboots every 20 or so hours, which is very bad for me. Does anyone know > where I should start in finding the problem? > > I was running: > A PII 233mhz with 512mb of Ram on a Tyan S1832DL with FreeBSD 2.2.6. > I ran in this configuration with 4 128mb dimms at one time and 2 128mb dimms > and 1 256mb dimm on anouther occasion with no problems. In both cases the > stability was great. Parity/ECC memory? If you had parity memory you should get a nice crash informing you of the bad memory. If you have ECC turned on on the MB then the system should run thru most memory errors. Not sure if FreeBSD logs a message about corrected memory problems. There is no excuse for not using parity and/or ECC in critical applications. Only 30MB swapped out on 512M system? So? I run about that quite often on a single user (me) system: PeeCee: {237} swapinfo Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type /dev/wd0s1b 32768 10532 22172 32% Interleaved /dev/sd0s1b 59384 10948 48372 18% Interleaved Total 92024 21480 70544 23% PeeCee: {238} The above poor machine only has 24MB of core. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net (hm) ====================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 28 08:26:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25631 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:26:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk [130.159.196.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA25608; Mon, 28 Sep 1998 08:26:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roger@cs.strath.ac.uk) Received: from cs.strath.ac.uk (posh.dmem.strath.ac.uk [130.159.202.3]) by fleming.cs.strath.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19477 Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:26:26 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <360FAAA2.DEFDC4E9@cs.strath.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 16:26:26 +0100 From: Roger Hardiman Organization: Strathclyde Uni X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-980520-SNAP i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Realtek 8029 goes slow. 200k/second Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have a couple of PCI network cards with the Realtek 8029 chip. (a no-name and a Genuis) Both these cards give 1000k / sec on all of my FreeBSD machines except my new one. My new PII400 (BX chipset) gives just 200k / second on our lab network. Perfect test conditions - no other network traffic. New PC has 128 Megs of RAM, tried both AGP and PCI video card and runs SNAP1998-0804. Any ideas what is going on? bye Roger Hardiman Strathclyde Uni Telepresence Research Group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 29 11:42:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14505 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:42:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www1.asacomputers.com ([204.153.176.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14423 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:42:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kedar@asacomputers.com) Received: from kedar.asacomputers.com (alan.asacomputers.com [204.153.176.86]) by www1.asacomputers.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA23481; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:52:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kedar@asacomputers.com) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980929183720.01549854@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:37:20 -0700 To: "Joe Gleason" From: Kedar Rajadnya Subject: Re: Server Stability not good anymore Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, >So I know the Ram I am using works fine at 66mhz and I *think* it is all >pc100, but I am not sure. That very well might be it. Also, mixture of ECC and non-ECC DIMMS. > Is there anything else anyone >can think of that might cause the about problem of randomly rebooting after >many hours? You might want to quickly verify the positioning of the DIMMS. It is generally better to have them installed in an increasing progression. Also, if you are using different capacity DIMMS, it is sometimes advisable to use them in pairs. >Is there any strange thing that freebsd might start doing when >the system has more than 512mb that could do this? Not FreeBSD, but Tyan boards do. Please be very consistent about the kind/quality of memory on those boards. They are very picky. Kedar. Take care, Kedar Rajadnya. ASA Computers, Inc. TEL: (408)232-5999 ext201 FAX:(408)232-5959 ********************************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 29 13:05:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27871 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:05:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from redfish.go2net.com (redfish.go2net.com [207.178.55.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA27845 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:05:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcs@go2net.com) Received: from marcs by redfish.go2net.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0zO5zr-000436-00; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:03:43 -0700 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:03:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Slemko X-Sender: marcs@redfish To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netgear FA310TX Card (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For anyone interested... There was some discussion of the FA310TX changing chipsets earlier. Not sure if the comments are valid or all apply to the latest chipsets. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:40:27 +0930 (CST) From: Berndt Josef Wulf To: Deepak Vaidya Cc: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Netgear FA310TX Card Deepak Vaidya wrote > > On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Deepak Vaidya wrote: > > > > > FYI. > > > > Just talked to Netgear support on the Netgear card. Bay no longer uses > > the DEC chipset and they have started to use a propietary chipset. > > > > I am going to drive over to Compusa and see if I can get the card > > replaced. > > > > I looked at the new driver disks on netgears web site and it has linux > support. The driver is listed under tulip.c and basically they added > couple of lines about netgear, which leads me to believe that the chipset > used is nothing but an oem dec chip, which prints out a different string. > > Can someone let me know where I can find the driver for DEC card in the > source tree. I am just going to install the kernel source and leave the > rest out. I donot have enough disk space to install the whole cvs tree. > > I am not very good at programming, but will give it a try to see if I can > get the card recoginized. > FYI - There is a FAQ which explains that the generic DEC driver on Win95 will work in full duplex with revision C6 cards and the full duplex LED inoperational. This leads me to believe that the chipset would be very close to the original DEC chipset with perhaps some minor hardware changes. (I can't confirm this at the moment since my adapter employs the original DEC chipset). see - http://netgear.baynetworks.com/support/support_fa310tx/fa310tx_faqs.shtml paragraph - 2.2 Why doesn't the Full Duplex LED on the FA310TX light up when I am connected to the network? hope this helps cheerio Berndt -- Name : Berndt Josef Wulf E-Mail : wulf@ping.net.au Sysinfo : DEC AXPpci33+, NetBSD-1.3 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 29 16:06:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02185 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:06:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA02179; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:06:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA12549; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:11:53 -0400 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199809292311.TAA12549@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: 2nd call for testers for RealTek 8139 driver To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:11:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is another call for testers for the RealTek 8139 fast ethernet driver. So far I have only gotten one (1) response to my first call for testers (Hi Mark!). C'mon guys: there's got to be a few of you lurking out there who got stuck with some of these cheap cards. Now's your big chance to put them to good use. Things that have changed since the first announcement: - Fixed a small bug in the receiver code: if the packet header ends up being the last thing in the receive buffer, account for this properly and loop back to the head of the buffer to start copying the actual packet data. This fixes a possible 'tried to copy 0 bytes' error that could occur once in a while. (I had actually fixed this once already but the change got lost while I was zipping back and force between different code versions.) - Default to using PIO for register access since memory mapped mode seems to cause SMP machines to wedge. - Add support for another RealTek device. If you have a RealTek 8139 or 8129, please download and test the code from: http://www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/RealTek/3.0 FreeBSD 3.0 source code http://www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/RealTek/2.2 FreeBSD 2.2.x source code Note that I only have an 8139 adapter so I don't know for sure than an 8129 will actually work. If you have one and it doesn't work, please let me know. If it does work, let me know too. To add the RealTek driver to your system, do the following: - Copy if_rl.c and if_rlreg.h to /sys/pci (make sure to get the right source for your system: the 2.2 code is for 2.2.5, 2.2.6, 2.2.7 and 2.2.7-STABLE; the 3.0 code is for FreeBSD-current). - Edit /sys/conf/files and add a line that says: pci/if_rl.c optional rl device-driver - Edit your kernel config file (e.g. /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC) and add a line that says: device rl0 - Config and build a new kernel and boot it. Please report any successes or failures to wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu. Act now: supplies are limited. Operators are standing by. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 29 19:20:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02162 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:20:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from laker.net (jet.laker.net [205.245.74.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02146; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:20:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sfriedri@laker.net) Received: from nt (digital-pbi-140.laker.net [208.0.233.40]) by laker.net (8.9.0/8.9.LAKERNET.NO-SPAM.SPAMMERS.AND.RELAYS.WILL.BE.TRACKED.AND.PROSECUTED.) with SMTP id WAA15912; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:20:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199809300220.WAA15912@laker.net> From: "Steve Friedrich" To: "Bill Paul" , "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" , "hackers@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:19:53 -0400 Reply-To: "Steve Friedrich" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 2nd call for testers for RealTek 8139 driver Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:11:50 -0400 (EDT), Bill Paul wrote: >C'mon guys: there's got to be a few of you >lurking out there who got stuck with some of these cheap cards. Actually, a couple years ago I read a NIC ReadMe from Slackware Linux where the device driver guys were explaining defects about many so-called NE2000 clones. I've also been running Windows NT and OS/2 since they came out, since I'm in the profession. Therefore, I wouldn't touch a $29 NIC for any reason. If all I ever ran was Winblows and Netware, I might. But I've got better things to do with my time... I do hope you find some testers, but I'd rather pay a little more to get a board from a quality , name-brand source, that follows reasonable engineering practices, that piss away my time wrestling with some bullshit, "we cut corners that we shouldn't of", "you'll never find a name on this board" bargain bin NIC. Good luck... Unix systems measure "uptime" in years, Winblows measures it in minutes. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 29 20:39:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13812 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:39:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA13788; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 20:39:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA12955; Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:44:06 -0400 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199809300344.XAA12955@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: 2nd call for testers for RealTek 8139 driver To: SteveFriedrich@Hot-Shot.com Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 23:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199809300220.WAA15912@laker.net> from "Steve Friedrich" at Sep 29, 98 10:19:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Steve Friedrich had to walk into mine and say: > On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 19:11:50 -0400 (EDT), Bill Paul wrote: > > >C'mon guys: there's got to be a few of you > >lurking out there who got stuck with some of these cheap cards. > > Actually, a couple years ago I read a NIC ReadMe from Slackware Linux > where the device driver guys were explaining defects about many > so-called NE2000 clones. I've also been running Windows NT and OS/2 > since they came out, since I'm in the profession. Therefore, I > wouldn't touch a $29 NIC for any reason. If all I ever ran was > Winblows and Netware, I might. But I've got better things to do with > my time... The 8139 isn't an NE2000 clone. RealTek does make NE2000 clone cards, but those use the 8029 and 8039 chips, which are 10Mbps only. The 8129 and 8139 are fast ethernet controllers (the difference between them is the 8129 uses an external physical interface chip whereas the 8139 has one built in). > I do hope you find some testers, but I'd rather pay a little more to > get a board from a quality , name-brand source, that follows reasonable > engineering practices, that piss away my time wrestling with some > bullshit, "we cut corners that we shouldn't of", "you'll never find a > name on this board" bargain bin NIC. I agree with you that people should use better quality hardware. However it also annoys me when people complain that FreeBSD doesn't have a driver for their cheapo hardware while Linux does. Even if the hardware sucks, it's still nice to have driver support for it, and if the driver can't be drop dead fast it should at least be reliable. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 30 06:25:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA00509 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 06:25:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rch.ip.lt (rch.ip.lt [194.176.42.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA00490 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 06:25:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rch@rch.ip.lt) Received: (from rch@localhost) by rch.ip.lt (8.9.1/8.9.1) id RAA01157 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:24:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rch) Message-ID: <19980930172402.F902@ip.lt> Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 17:24:02 +0200 From: Ricardas Cepas To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: reverting to PIO mode Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, After adding to kernel disk wd0 configuration flags 0xa0ff I'm getting this at boot time: wd0s1a: reverting to PIO mode readi ng fsbn 19888 of 19888-19999 (wd0s1 bn 19888; cn 1 tn 60 sn 43)wd0: status 51 error 84 What does it means? Should I remove this flags? I'm using 3.0-19980923, ATC-6220 Intel 440BX Motherboard, it claims UDMA/33 support and I think has Windbond 83977 I/O chipset. wd0 is detected as: wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16 wd0: 3093MB (6335280 sectors), 6704 cyls, 15 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S Thank you, -- Ričardas Čepas ~~ ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 30 12:48:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07132 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:48:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from symbion.srrc.usda.gov ([199.78.118.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06981 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 12:48:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glenn@nola.srrc.usda.gov) Received: from nola.srrc.usda.gov (localhost.srrc.usda.gov [127.0.0.1]) by symbion.srrc.usda.gov (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22292; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:46:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from glenn@nola.srrc.usda.gov) Message-Id: <199809301946.OAA22292@symbion.srrc.usda.gov> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Marc Slemko cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Glenn Johnson Subject: Re: Netgear FA310TX Card (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 29 Sep 1998 13:03:43 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:46:38 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >For anyone interested... > >There was some discussion of the FA310TX changing chipsets earlier. > >Not sure if the comments are valid or all apply to the latest chipsets. > ...snip... I was getting ready to order one these for a home machine. Should I wait? What is another good PCI based NIC for FreeBSD that is priced @ < $30? Thanks. -- Glenn Johnson Technician USDA, ARS, SRRC New Orleans, LA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 1 14:38:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10010 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:38:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10002 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 14:38:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk) Received: from [158.152.46.40] (helo=ragnet.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zOqQ0-0006Rn-00 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:37:48 +0000 Received: from dmlb by ragnet.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0zOoqw-0000pQ-00; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 20:57:30 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:57:30 +0100 (BST) From: Duncan Barclay To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Exabyte 8200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi I've have just picked up a Exabyte 8200 from a fire sale at work (almost free). This appears to be fine for use at home and as something is better than nothing when it comes to backups. I wonder if anyone can help me out on working out how to use it/point me to manuals? It seems to be working, although I haven't got any tapes in it yet, it probes fine etc. The model I have has an LCD panel over the drive door. When the drive powers up it asks me to select a compression mode, there is a small round button on the LCD which toggles a little "C" on the LCD, next to a "2". There is also an extra card plugged into the SCSI connector which I think controls the LCD. This model doesn'y seem to be a standard Exabyte model and markings on the chassis don't tell me much. I'm going to try and get manuals from work (but they may be in the bin...) Any suggestions as to which brands of tape are good/bad etc. I only need to back up a few hundred meg. on it at home (everything else is on CDs or CVSup!) Duncan --- ________________________________________________________________________ Duncan Barclay | God smiles upon the little children, dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk | the alcoholics, and the permanently stoned. ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 1 16:04:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22273 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:04:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [206.127.225.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA22259 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:04:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard@pegasus.com) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id NAA09752; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:03:31 -1000 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:03:31 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199810012303.NAA09752@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Duncan Barclay "Exabyte 8200" (Oct 1, 8:57pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Duncan Barclay , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Exabyte 8200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org } Hi } } I've have just picked up a Exabyte 8200 from a fire sale at work (almost free). } This appears to be fine for use at home and as something is better than nothing } when it comes to backups. } } I wonder if anyone can help me out on working out how } to use it/point me to manuals? It seems to be working, although I haven't got } any tapes in it yet, it probes fine etc. Just throw data at it with tar or dump, etc. dump 0ubBf 8 5000000 /dev/nrst0 / } } The model I have has an LCD panel over the drive door. When the drive powers up } it asks me to select a compression mode, there is a small round button on the } LCD which toggles a little "C" on the LCD, next to a "2". There is also an } extra card plugged into the SCSI connector which I think controls the LCD. } } This model doesn'y seem to be a standard Exabyte model and markings on the } chassis don't tell me much. The 8200 doesn't do compression and it didn't come with an LCD. Sounds like you have a newer model. } Any suggestions as to which brands of tape are good/bad etc. I only need to } back up a few hundred meg. on it at home (everything else is on CDs or CVSup!) } I've had very good results with Sony 8mm video tapes. Costco sells them here for about $3 each. A cleaning tape is good to have too. Richard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 1 18:26:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08230 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:26:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08225 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:26:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA03791; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:55:47 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id KAA26162; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:55:45 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981002105545.O24146@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:55:45 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Duncan Barclay , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Exabyte 8200 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Duncan Barclay on Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 08:57:30PM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 1 October 1998 at 20:57:30 +0100, Duncan Barclay wrote: > Hi > > I've have just picked up a Exabyte 8200 from a fire sale at work (almost free). > This appears to be fine for use at home and as something is better than nothing > when it comes to backups. > > I wonder if anyone can help me out on working out how > to use it/point me to manuals? It seems to be working, although I haven't got > any tapes in it yet, it probes fine etc. I hope the head is in good condition. Otherwise you may have paid more than it's worth. Anyway, use any standard utility. Apart from the sighing and wheezing noises it makes when loading and starting (which are *very* slow), it should work fine. > The model I have has an LCD panel over the drive door. When the drive powers up > it asks me to select a compression mode, there is a small round button on the > LCD which toggles a little "C" on the LCD, next to a "2". There is also an > extra card plugged into the SCSI connector which I think controls the LCD. > > This model doesn'y seem to be a standard Exabyte model Indeed. > and markings on the chassis don't tell me much. > > I'm going to try and get manuals from work (but they may be in the > bin...) You can probably find them at http://www.exabyte.com/ once you've established what it really is. The 8200s (and 8500s) I know don't have LCD panels. > Any suggestions as to which brands of tape are good/bad etc. I only need to > back up a few hundred meg. on it at home (everything else is on CDs or CVSup!) Exabyte recommends *only* Exabyte tapes (surprise, surprise). They're made by Sony, so my tame Exabyte expert at Siemens-Nixdorf says that Sonys are probably the best bet. Make sure you get a cleaning cassette as well. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 1 22:24:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01623 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:24:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pobox.com (port32.prairietech.net [208.141.230.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01614 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:24:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alk@pobox.com) Received: (from alk@localhost) by pobox.com (8.9.1/8.7.3) id AAA04844; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:23:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:23:32 -0500 (CDT) X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Sony CDU926S X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13844.25386.281859.47006@avalon.east> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is anyone using this CD-R drive succesfully with CAM? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 1 22:52:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04379 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:52:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA04374 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 22:52:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.1/8.8.5) id XAA11908; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:52:00 -0600 (MDT) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199810020552.XAA11908@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Sony CDU926S In-Reply-To: <13844.25386.281859.47006@avalon.east> from Tony Kimball at "Oct 2, 98 00:23:32 am" To: alk@pobox.com Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 23:52:00 -0600 (MDT) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28s (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tony Kimball wrote... > Is anyone using this CD-R drive succesfully with CAM? Talk to Parag Patel . He submitted a quirk entry to disable multi-LUN probing for that drive. He could probably tell you how it works... Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 2 02:53:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA25728 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 02:53:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tccn.cs.kun.nl (tccn.cs.kun.nl [131.174.32.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA25640 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 02:53:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dutchman@tccn.cs.kun.nl) Received: from LikeEver.ccg.nl (kees.sci.kun.nl [131.174.10.40]) by tccn.cs.kun.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA20894 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 12:09:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3614A28C.41C67EA6@tccn.cs.kun.nl> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:53:27 +0000 From: Kees Jan Koster X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Hardware List Subject: Phillips Brilliance 107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear FreeBSD hardware hackers, I recently accuired a new monitor for my PC, a Brilliance 107 from Philips. As I was flipping through the manual I found a rather odd statement in the troubleshooting section. I quote: Problem: Picture has a double image. Solution: (...) Face the monitor East for best picture quality. Could anyone shed some light on this issue? (Preferably from the East). On a more serious note. I was told that the Moire menu option in the OSD could be used to eliminate the interference patterns I see on the xdm login screen. Could anyone tell me how to use it? When I turn up either horizontal or vertical Moire, I just get a fuzzy image, and the patterns do not disappear. One more question (then I'll let you go). When I more xterms about on the X11 desktop, I get little flashes of white snow on the darker portions of the screen. They only show up when I move windows. What is that? Is that a monitor problem, an X server problem (XFree86 Version 3.3.2.3, SVGA), or a video card (Diamond Viper V330) problem? Thanks for your input, Kees Jan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kees Jan Koster e-mail: dutchman@tccn.cs.kun.nl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Calvin: "Sometimes the world seems like a pretty mean place." Hobbes: "That's why animals are so soft and huggy." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 2 06:21:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23832 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:21:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA23812 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:21:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id GAA17132 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810021321.GAA17132@mailgate.cadence.com> Received: from symnt3.cadence.com(194.32.101.100) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (mjr-v1.2) id xma907334461.017112; Fri, 2 Oct 98 06:21:01 -0700 Received: from pc287-cam.cadence.com (d194032096136.Cadence.COM [194.32.96.136]) by symnt3.Cadence.COM with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id Q4J1BYNT; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:21:20 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Duncan Barclay" To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:20:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Exabyte 8200 media selct command? Reply-to: dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, me again The only tapes I have managed to find for the drive I got from work are 112m long. The exabyte 8200 DIP switch page http://www.exabyte.com/suppserv/techsupp/8mm/fullhigh/in0011.html says * If you use 112m EXATAPE data cartridges, it does not matter how switch 8 is set. The tape drive must be told to expect a 112m cartridge through the MODE SELECT command. The MODE SELECT command overrides the power-on setting defined by the DIP switch. For more information, see the EXB-8200 User's Manual (510006), available from Exabyte. I don't have a manual so can someone email me the right command (or amanda settings etc). Thanks. Duncan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 2 06:34:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26050 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:34:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles231.castles.com [208.214.165.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26009 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:33:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA02334; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:38:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199810021338.GAA02334@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Kees Jan Koster cc: FreeBSD Hardware List Subject: Re: Phillips Brilliance 107 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:53:27 -0000." <3614A28C.41C67EA6@tccn.cs.kun.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 06:38:26 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Dear FreeBSD hardware hackers, > > I recently accuired a new monitor for my PC, a Brilliance 107 from > Philips. It's worth mentioning that these are not the greatest monitors around, especially if you have a B or C grade unit. > As I was flipping through the manual I found a rather odd > statement in the troubleshooting section. I quote: > > Problem: Picture has a double image. > Solution: (...) > Face the monitor East for best picture quality. > > Could anyone shed some light on this issue? (Preferably from the East). It doesn't matter where you are, only where you're facing. It has to do with the orientation of the Earth's magnetic field, and east only works in the northern hemisphere. The goal is to have the field lines perpendicular to the plane of the screen; if you're facing eg. North they come through at an angle > On a more serious note. I was told that the Moire menu option in the OSD > could be used to eliminate the interference patterns I see on the xdm > login screen. Could anyone tell me how to use it? When I turn up either > horizontal or vertical Moire, I just get a fuzzy image, and the patterns > do not disappear. The Moire adjustent is rarely good enough to give you that sort of accuracy. Better to change the xdm background if you can't handle it. > One more question (then I'll let you go). When I more xterms about on > the X11 desktop, I get little flashes of white snow on the darker > portions of the screen. They only show up when I move windows. What is > that? Is that a monitor problem, an X server problem (XFree86 Version > 3.3.2.3, SVGA), or a video card (Diamond Viper V330) problem? It's an interaction between your card and the driver, and unless the snow stays once you stop moving windows, it's harmless. You can probably reduce it or make it go away at the cost of some speed by fiddling with the driver settings. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 2 07:06:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01346 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:06:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01301 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:05:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@n4hhe.ampr.org) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt2-179.HiWAAY.net [208.147.148.179]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA32209; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:05:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: from n4hhe.ampr.org (localhost.ampr.org [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00235; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:55:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@n4hhe.ampr.org) Message-Id: <199810021355.IAA00235@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Duncan Barclay cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Exabyte 8200 In-reply-to: Message from Duncan Barclay of "Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:57:30 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 08:55:52 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Duncan Barclay writes: > The model I have has an LCD panel over the drive door. When the drive powers > up > it asks me to select a compression mode, there is a small round button on the > LCD which toggles a little "C" on the LCD, next to a "2". There is also an > extra card plugged into the SCSI connector which I think controls the LCD. > > This model doesn'y seem to be a standard Exabyte model and markings on the > chassis don't tell me much. Big LCD display, full width of the 5-1/4" drive, at least 2 lines high? Believe that is a Cybernetic Microsystems (?) model. Compression and the LCD display are handled by a custom CPU between the external SCSI bus and the internal exabyte SCSI. The company I'm thinking of advertises heavily in NASA Tech Briefs and other odd places. Think they have a web site too but I'm offline right now and can't go find it. As I recal, the only real problem with a Cybernetic tape drive is the compression is vendor unique. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 2 07:22:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03840 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:22:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03823 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:22:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id HAA01170; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810021421.HAA01170@mailgate.cadence.com> Received: from symnt3.cadence.com(194.32.101.100) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (mjr-v1.2) id xma907338104.001139; Fri, 2 Oct 98 07:21:44 -0700 Received: from pc287-cam.cadence.com (d194032096136.Cadence.COM [194.32.96.136]) by symnt3.Cadence.COM with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id Q4J1BYRM; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:22:03 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Duncan Barclay" To: David Kelly Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:21:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Exabyte 8200 Reply-to: dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199810021355.IAA00235@nospam.hiwaay.net> References: Message from Duncan Barclay of "Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:57:30 BST." X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Duncan Barclay writes: > > The model I have has an LCD panel over the drive door. When the drive powers > > up > > it asks me to select a compression mode, there is a small round button on the > > LCD which toggles a little "C" on the LCD, next to a "2". There is also an > > extra card plugged into the SCSI connector which I think controls the LCD. > > > > This model doesn'y seem to be a standard Exabyte model and markings on the > > chassis don't tell me much. > > Big LCD display, full width of the 5-1/4" drive, at least 2 lines > high? Believe that is a Cybernetic Microsystems (?) model. > Compression and the LCD display are handled by a custom CPU between > the external SCSI bus and the internal exabyte SCSI. Sounds about right. There is a daughter board sitting on the SCSI connector of the 8200. > The company I'm thinking of advertises heavily in NASA Tech Briefs > and other odd places. Think they have a web site too but I'm offline > right now and can't go find it. I'll try and find it. > As I recal, the only real problem with a Cybernetic tape drive is > the compression is vendor unique. Doesn't matter as it's for home use. And I only need to back up a gigabyte or so. Thanks Duncan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 2 10:47:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08435 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:47:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pinhead.parag.codegen.com (ppp-asfm08--184.sirius.net [205.134.241.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08415 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:46:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from parag@pinhead.parag.codegen.com) Received: from pinhead.parag.codegen.com (localhost.parag.codegen.com [127.0.0.1]) by pinhead.parag.codegen.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05314; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:46:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from parag@pinhead.parag.codegen.com) Message-Id: <199810021746.KAA05314@pinhead.parag.codegen.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: alk@pobox.com cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sony CDU926S In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Oct 1998 00:23:32 CDT." <13844.25386.281859.47006@avalon.east> X-Face: =O'Kj74icvU|oS*<7gS/8'\Pbpm}okVj*@UC!IgkmZQAO!W[|iBiMs*|)n*`X ]pW%m>Oz_mK^Gdazsr.Z0/JsFS1uF8gBVIoChGwOy{EK=<6g?aHE`[\S]C]T0Wm X-URL: http://www.codegen.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 10:46:39 -0700 From: Parag Patel Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Is anyone using this CD-R drive succesfully with CAM? Yup, and it works just fine, with the submitted quirk entry to avoid probing multi-LUNs. I successfully burned a CD-R on it yesterday (it was mountable and readable). You'll need the cdrecord patches for CAM support to make it work. I use a simple one-line shell-script containing the following: cdrecord -v dev=0,4,0 fs=8m speed=2 -data $* just so I don't have to remember the options, and can add -dummy for testing. cdrecord thinks it is a CDU924S but is otherwise happy with the drive. -- Parag To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 2 11:34:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14871 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:34:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.volant.org (phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14848 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:34:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from patl@phoenix.volant.org) From: patl@phoenix.volant.org Received: from asimov.phoenix.volant.org ([205.179.79.65]) by phoenix.volant.org with smtp (Exim 1.92 #8) id 0zPA1y-0003pV-00; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:34:18 -0700 Received: from localhost by asimov.phoenix.volant.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA18311; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:34:10 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: patl@phoenix.volant.org Subject: Re: Exabyte 8200 To: Richard Foulk cc: Duncan Barclay , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199810012303.NAA09752@pegasus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > } Any suggestions as to which brands of tape are good/bad etc. I only need > to } back up a few hundred meg. on it at home (everything else is on CDs > or CVSup!) } > > I've had very good results with Sony 8mm video tapes. Costco sells them > here for about $3 each. This is likely to prove to be a false economy. 'Data' tapes and 'video' tapes use different materials. The 'video' tapes are reported to drasticly increase head wear. A worn out head is going to cost you a lot more than data tapes would have... (Video tape drives don't have the data density and integrety requirements of data drives; so they can be made of less delicate materials and to take wear that causes a small quantity of data loss.) Here in Silicon Valley, 112m data quality tapes are available for around $8 each. > A cleaning tape is good to have too. Nearly essential. Every now and then the drive will tell you that it needs to be cleaned. You should be prepared to do it. Cleaning cartridges are fairly cheap; and should last quite a while, especially if the drive isn't heavily used. (I do a single tape backup on my 8505 every night. It asks for cleaning every three or four months; so a single cleaning tape lasts for years.) -Pat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 2 18:07:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04789 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:07:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04773 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 18:07:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA09320; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 10:36:52 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id KAA07490; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 10:36:52 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19981003103651.K2176@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 10:36:51 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Exabyte 8200 media selct command? References: <199810021321.GAA17132@mailgate.cadence.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199810021321.GAA17132@mailgate.cadence.com>; from Duncan Barclay on Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 02:20:39PM +0000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 2 October 1998 at 14:20:39 +0000, Duncan Barclay wrote: > Hi, me again > > The only tapes I have managed to find for the drive I got from work > are 112m long. The exabyte 8200 DIP switch page > http://www.exabyte.com/suppserv/techsupp/8mm/fullhigh/in0011.html > says > * If you use 112m EXATAPE data cartridges, it does not matter how > switch 8 is set. The tape drive must be told to expect a 112m > cartridge through the MODE SELECT command. The MODE SELECT command > overrides the power-on setting defined by the DIP switch. For more > information, see the EXB-8200 User's Manual (510006), available from > Exabyte. > > I don't have a manual so can someone email me the right command (or > amanda settings etc). You should find the manuals on the Exabyte web site as well. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Oct 2 22:24:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00985 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 22:24:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from garden.metrobbs.com (garden.metrobbs.com [206.27.215.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA00977 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 22:24:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from worsco@garden.metrobbs.com) X-ROUTED: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 22:24:18 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: Worsco Received: from garden.metrobbs.com [206.27.215.163] by garden.metrobbs.com with smtp id BGBHDFGB ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 22:23:54 -0500 Message-ID: <3615B4E9.8E2585A9@garden.metrobbs.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 22:23:53 -0700 From: Scott Worthington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: akuehl@free.de, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with Adaptec AHA-2940xx References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I posted my final solution regarding my problem with my Adaptec 2940UW and the "waiting for scsi to settle" on the questions@freebsd.org. I'll recap my final fix and findings... I have two FIC Corporation PA-2011 Motherboards, one with a Pentium MMX 200 and one with a Pentium MMX 233. Both motherboards utilized AMI BIOS version 626C13 and the VIA chipset. Slackware 3.5 and FreeBSD 2.2.5 2.2.6 2.2.7 hated both motherboards and the Adaptec 2940UW (that is, waiting for scsi... forever) So, I popped the 2940UW in a Pentium Dell at work, booted FreeBSD 2.2.7 boot floppy---and the she worked! Okay, so I tried the 2940UW in a FIC Corporation PA-2007 motherboard with Award BIOS. SHE WORKED AGAIN! Okay, the culprit was the AMI BIOS! I went to www.fic.com.tw and downloaded the latest _AWARD_ BIOS for the FIC PA-2011 motherboard.... and PRESTO, she works! Currently, I down-graded the 2940UW BIOS to 1.25 from 1.34.3. I have a tech call in to Adaptec to re-load the 1.34.3 to see if it works ok on the Award BIOS. (Adaptec is hiding the latest BIOS with user id/password) I hope this information helps someone else with their problems! akuehl@free.de wrote: > Hello > > Thanks a lot for your answer. > > This problem took about two weeks of my life, until we found a hint > just a day before your mail arrived: > > Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:48:25 +0100 > From: Karl Pielorz > To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: ahc0: board not responding - update > Message-ID: <35C59579.951693CB@tdx.co.uk> > > >>To fix my problem - I swapped the 2940 that said "board not responding" > with an identical (but earlier revision) 2940 from another machine - and > it worked.<< > > So we swapped the motherboard and it worked... > > You wrote: > > In article <6udv6l$iuf$1@FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw>, > > akuehl@mail.free.de (Andreas Kuehl) wrote: > (...) > > Friend, I too am having the similar problems with the ahc0 problem that > > you are also experiencing. > (...) > > So, there's something wrong with the Driver and the AHA-2940xx cards > > with > > BIOS after 1.25 (OR SOMETHING). > > > > Did you get any responses to your posts? > > No, there was no response at all. I was just going crazy, having a new > adaptec, I was shure it's ok, because I installed Linux successfully, and no > way to make it run under FreeBSD. > > > I don't want to switch to Slackware, but this problem is significant. > > Ok, thanks for your help, I hope you tell adaptec, the new bios is a ... :-) > > Andreas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Oct 3 07:01:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10687 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 07:01:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10682 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 07:01:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@n4hhe.ampr.org) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt1-80.HiWAAY.net [208.147.147.80]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA30704 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 09:01:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from n4hhe.ampr.org (localhost.ampr.org [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06022 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 09:01:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@n4hhe.ampr.org) Message-Id: <199810031401.JAA06022@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Exabyte 8200 In-reply-to: Message from patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG of "Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:34:10 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 09:01:29 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG writes: > > I've had very good results with Sony 8mm video tapes. Costco sells them > > here for about $3 each. > > This is likely to prove to be a false economy. 'Data' tapes and > 'video' tapes use different materials. The 'video' tapes are reported > to drasticly increase head wear. A worn out head is going to cost > you a lot more than data tapes would have... (Video tape drives > don't have the data density and integrety requirements of data drives; > so they can be made of less delicate materials and to take wear that > causes a small quantity of data loss.) > > Here in Silicon Valley, 112m data quality tapes are available for > around $8 each. > > > A cleaning tape is good to have too. > > Nearly essential. Every now and then the drive will tell you that > it needs to be cleaned. You should be prepared to do it. Cleaning > cartridges are fairly cheap; and should last quite a while, especially > if the drive isn't heavily used. (I do a single tape backup on my > 8505 every night. It asks for cleaning every three or four months; > so a single cleaning tape lasts for years.) >From experience: do *NOT* use 8mm video tapes in Exabyte tape drives. If you rewind and verify, the data is there. But is often lost 6 months or a year later. Video tape seems to be very sensitive to being read in a different tape drive than the data was written with. Possibly related to the lubricant used on video tapes being different than for real data tapes. We write about 7,000 8mm tapes per year at work with about 20 Exabyte 8505's (we love tcopy and have purchased Sun workstations in the past simply because they have tcopy). Have used many brands of tape. For the last couple of years have exclusively used Sony 8mm 112M data tape. Have had such awful time with video tape screwing up my tape drives to the point they require professional cleaning that I have one drive as the "designated sacrificial goat" which is the only one used when somebody insists on sending digital data on video tape. A cleaning tape is also essential. Actually in our case, a case of cleaning tapes. Again, there are special digital versions. Again we mostly use Sony but also use Exabyte brand. OTOH: have never had any problems using digital 8mm tape in a video camera. Then again, I don't run anywhere near as many tapes thru a video camera as an Exabyte. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Oct 3 10:39:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29703 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 10:39:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from laker.net (jet.laker.net [205.245.74.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29696 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 10:39:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sfriedri@laker.net) Received: from nt ([208.0.233.52]) by laker.net (8.9.0/8.9.LAKERNET.NO-SPAM.SPAMMERS.AND.RELAYS.WILL.BE.TRACKED.AND.PROSECUTED.) with SMTP id NAA03300; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:35:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199810031735.NAA03300@laker.net> From: "Steve Friedrich" To: "akuehl@free.de" , "hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Scott Worthington" Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 13:34:29 -0400 Reply-To: "Steve Friedrich" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problem with Adaptec AHA-2940xx Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 02 Oct 1998 22:23:53 -0700, Scott Worthington wrote: >I'll recap my final fix and findings... > >I have two FIC Corporation PA-2011 Motherboards, one >with a Pentium MMX 200 and one with a >Pentium MMX 233. Both motherboards utilized >AMI BIOS version 626C13 and the VIA chipset. >snip< >So, I popped the 2940UW in a Pentium Dell at work, >booted FreeBSD 2.2.7 boot floppy---and the she worked! > >Okay, so I tried the 2940UW in a FIC Corporation >PA-2007 motherboard with Award BIOS. > >SHE WORKED AGAIN! > >Okay, the culprit was the AMI BIOS! How did you jump to this conclusion?? You're using a different motherboard too. >I went to www.fic.com.tw and downloaded the latest >_AWARD_ BIOS for the FIC PA-2011 motherboard.... >and PRESTO, she works! I've never heard of a moboard manufacturer offering multiple BIOSes for their moboards. Did FIC switch to Award because of problems with AMI ?? Have you reported your findings to FIC and AMI ?? Unix systems measure "uptime" in years, Winblows measures it in minutes. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Oct 3 12:52:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20497 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:52:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from forest.fscinternet.com (aurora.fscinternet.com [165.154.230.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20488 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:52:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rreiner@forest.fscinternet.com) Received: from jupiter (jupiter.fscinternet.com [10.1.1.103]) by forest.fscinternet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA18545; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199810031916.PAA18545@forest.fscinternet.com> From: "Richard Reiner" Organization: FSC Internet To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:55:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: DDS3 problems with DDS-2 & DDS-1 tapes Reply-to: rreiner@fscinternet.com CC: Chris Stenton , , grog@lemis.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I noticed a thread on the freebsd-hardware list from a little while back re. getting a DDS-3 drive to work with DDS-2 and DDS-1 tapes... I have the same problem, our new HP DDS-3 drive works flawlessly with new DDS-3 tapes, *appears* to write to old tapes from my DDS-1 drive (i.e. the write completes without complaining), but cannot read them back (fails with messages like this: "st0: MEDIUM ERROR asc:9,0 Track following error field replaceable unit: 2"). Did anyone ever find a solution to this? Thanks, Richard -- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Richard Reiner, Ph.D. . rreiner@fscinternet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ . http://www.fscinternet.com FSC Internet Corp. . +1 416 921-4280 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Oct 3 13:50:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28584 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:50:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from laker.net (jet.laker.net [205.245.74.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28569 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:50:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sfriedri@laker.net) Received: from nt (digital-pbi-165.laker.net [208.0.233.65]) by laker.net (8.9.0/8.9.LAKERNET.NO-SPAM.SPAMMERS.AND.RELAYS.WILL.BE.TRACKED.AND.PROSECUTED.) with SMTP id QAA08998 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 16:49:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199810032049.QAA08998@laker.net> From: "Steve Friedrich" To: "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 16:49:23 -0400 Reply-To: "Steve Friedrich" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows NT (4.0.1381;3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Hardware monitoring capabilities Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am interested in motherboards that provide the ability to monitor various temperature readings, fan speeds, etc. I have an ASUS TX97. Is it possible to read these values from freebsd? If so, has anyone written a daemon to run in the background to monitor interrupts from the LM78/75 so freebsd can inform a user at the consoles when temp is too high, etc. Can the LM78/75's Over Temp Shutdown feature be used to invoke shutdown ?? Unix systems measure "uptime" in years, Winblows measures it in minutes. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Oct 3 13:50:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28607 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:50:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28587 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:50:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA29990; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 13:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810032050.NAA29990@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: rreiner@fscinternet.com cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, Chris Stenton , grog@lemis.com Subject: Re: DDS3 problems with DDS-2 & DDS-1 tapes In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 03 Oct 98 15:55:41 -0400. <199810031916.PAA18545@forest.fscinternet.com> Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 13:50:00 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I noticed a thread on the freebsd-hardware list from a little while >back re. getting a DDS-3 drive to work with DDS-2 and DDS-1 >tapes... I have the same problem, our new HP DDS-3 drive works >flawlessly with new DDS-3 tapes, *appears* to write to old tapes >from my DDS-1 drive (i.e. the write completes without complaining), >but cannot read them back (fails with messages like this: "st0: >MEDIUM ERROR asc:9,0 Track following error field replaceable >unit: 2"). > >Did anyone ever find a solution to this? I emailed Seagate tech support and they sent me a flash BIOS update. I flashed the new BIOS and it has worked fine ever since. Go to http://www.seagate.com/ and fill out a service request form. (Assuming your HP drive is actually an Archive/Seagate unit.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon mvanloon@exmsft.com michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Oct 3 14:54:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05587 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 14:54:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [206.127.225.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA05580 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 14:54:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard@pegasus.com) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id LAA10068; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 11:53:27 -1000 Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 11:53:27 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199810032153.LAA10068@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: David Kelly "Re: Exabyte 8200" (Oct 3, 9:01am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: David Kelly , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Exabyte 8200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org } >From experience: do *NOT* use 8mm video tapes in Exabyte tape drives. } If you rewind and verify, the data is there. But is often lost 6 months } or a year later. Video tape seems to be very sensitive to being read in } a different tape drive than the data was written with. Possibly } related to the lubricant used on video tapes being different than for } real data tapes. Rewind and verify is unnecessary on Exabytes. They do their own verify. That's one of the reasons they're so robust. If a write fails they just write again on the next section of tape. I've had good results with 10-year old tapes written on various drives. Mostly on Sony tapes. Compatibility and longevity haven't been a problem. There were some compatibility problems when Exabytes were new, but have long-since been fixed. Data quality tapes are necessary for the higher density drives. The 8200's work fine with good quality video tapes. On anything above an 8200 video tapes are not recommended. On 8200's they are the right choice. Richard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Oct 3 15:46:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11902 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:46:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roma.coe.ufrj.br (roma.coe.ufrj.br [146.164.53.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA11866; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 15:46:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonny@jonny.eng.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by roma.coe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA27322; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:45:46 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199810032245.TAA27322@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: 2nd call for testers for RealTek 8139 driver In-Reply-To: <199809300344.XAA12955@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> from Bill Paul at "Sep 29, 98 11:44:05 pm" To: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (Bill Paul) Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:45:46 -0300 (EST) Cc: SteveFriedrich@Hot-Shot.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #define quoting(Bill Paul) // The 8139 isn't an NE2000 clone. RealTek does make NE2000 clone cards, // but those use the 8029 and 8039 chips, which are 10Mbps only. The 8129 // and 8139 are fast ethernet controllers (the difference between them // is the 8129 uses an external physical interface chip whereas the 8139 // has one built in). But the 8029 (and probably 8039 also) does have media select and full duplex support. Are there any plans to add support for these in the ed driver ? Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis M.Sc. Student jonny@jonny.eng.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro "This .sig is not meant to be politically correct." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Oct 3 18:30:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04741 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:30:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles144.castles.com [208.214.165.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04638; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:29:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00613; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 18:33:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199810040133.SAA00613@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis cc: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (Bill Paul), SteveFriedrich@Hot-Shot.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2nd call for testers for RealTek 8139 driver In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Oct 1998 19:45:46 -0300." <199810032245.TAA27322@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 18:33:22 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > #define quoting(Bill Paul) > // The 8139 isn't an NE2000 clone. RealTek does make NE2000 clone cards, > // but those use the 8029 and 8039 chips, which are 10Mbps only. The 8129 > // and 8139 are fast ethernet controllers (the difference between them > // is the 8129 uses an external physical interface chip whereas the 8139 > // has one built in). > > But the 8029 (and probably 8039 also) does have media select and full > duplex support. Are there any plans to add support for these in the > ed driver ? No, not as far as I'm aware. Full duplex on a 10Mbps card is really somewhat of a waste unless you have a 10Mbps port on a switch. There aren't that many 10Mbps switches on the market to begin with, and if you have a 100Mbps switch, connecting to it with a crappy 10Mbps card doesn't make any sense. All of the 80x9 cards I've seen have automatic media detection, so there's no need for driver support AFAIK. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Oct 3 21:16:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02575 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 21:16:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02496 for ; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 21:16:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@n4hhe.ampr.org) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt1-114.HiWAAY.net [208.147.147.114]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA02066; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:15:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from n4hhe.ampr.org (localhost.ampr.org [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13143; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 17:59:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@n4hhe.ampr.org) Message-Id: <199810032259.RAA13143@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Exabyte 8200 In-reply-to: Message from richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) of "Sat, 03 Oct 1998 11:53:27 -1000." <199810032153.LAA10068@pegasus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 17:59:43 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Richard Foulk writes: > Rewind and verify is unnecessary on Exabytes. They do their own verify. > That's one of the reasons they're so robust. If a write fails they just > write again on the next section of tape. Same holds true with 4mm (DDS) and real-QIC (QIC-150 and the like). > I've had good results with 10-year old tapes written on various drives. > Mostly on Sony tapes. > > Compatibility and longevity haven't been a problem. There were some > compatibility problems when Exabytes were new, but have long-since > been fixed. > > Data quality tapes are necessary for the higher density drives. The > 8200's work fine with good quality video tapes. > > On anything above an 8200 video tapes are not recommended. On 8200's > they are the right choice. I have trashed too many Exabyte 8505's trying to read data on video tapes to accept your statement. I'm not just worried about reading the data, its just that the only times (about twice per year) I've messed up an Exabyte drive has been when a video tape has been inserted. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Oct 3 22:57:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15777 for freebsd-hardware-outgoing; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:57:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (gatekeeper.Alameda.net [207.90.181.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15762; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:57:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ulf@Gatekeeper.Alameda.net) Received: by Gatekeeper.Alameda.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id WAA25421; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19981003225627.G13610@Alameda.net> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:56:27 -0700 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: Mike Smith , Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Cc: Bill Paul , SteveFriedrich@Hot-Shot.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2nd call for testers for RealTek 8139 driver Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net References: <199810032245.TAA27322@roma.coe.ufrj.br> <199810040133.SAA00613@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199810040133.SAA00613@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 06:33:22PM -0700 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 06:33:22PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > #define quoting(Bill Paul) > > // The 8139 isn't an NE2000 clone. RealTek does make NE2000 clone cards, > > // but those use the 8029 and 8039 chips, which are 10Mbps only. The 8129 > > // and 8139 are fast ethernet controllers (the difference between them > > // is the 8129 uses an external physical interface chip whereas the 8139 > > // has one built in). > > > > But the 8029 (and probably 8039 also) does have media select and full > > duplex support. Are there any plans to add support for these in the > > ed driver ? > > No, not as far as I'm aware. Full duplex on a 10Mbps card is really > somewhat of a waste unless you have a 10Mbps port on a switch. There > aren't that many 10Mbps switches on the market to begin with, and if you > have a 100Mbps switch, connecting to it with a crappy 10Mbps card > doesn't make any sense. I have a very nice HP 24 port 10Mbps switch. It has also 1 100mbit uplink, plus a second slot for another 100mbit. If you do not have the mgmt module, the 10 ports are 10 half. If you have the SNMP mgmt module, you can set the 10 ports to full duplex. Price for a 24 port incl. mgmt is around $1400. I am using it for colocation. (plus I got a $750 rebatte from HP :-) ). > > All of the 80x9 cards I've seen have automatic media detection, so > there's no need for driver support AFAIK. > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message