From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 25 07:14:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11888 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:14:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA11882 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:14:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bkogawa@primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20283; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:14:20 -0700 (MST) Received: from ip206.sjc.primenet.com(206.165.96.206), claiming to be "foo.primenet.com" via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd020249; Sun Jan 25 08:14:08 1998 Received: (from bkogawa@localhost) by foo.primenet.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA04372; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:16:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:16:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801251516.HAA04372@foo.primenet.com> To: jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Subject: Re: INN Support for FreeBSD Newsgroups: localhost.freebsd.questions References: <8856271450138320000> From: "Bryan K. Ogawa" Cc: , "Kevin A. Carman" X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In localhost.freebsd.questions you write: >On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Kevin A. Carman wrote: [stuff about INN and news snipped] >> 5). Does FreeBSD support RAID level 5 using 3 - 8.4Gig IDE/EIDE >> Hard Drives? >Look at ccd(4) A few things to note: 1. ccd supports (AFAIK) RAID 0 (software striping), not RAID 5 (fault-tolerant mirroring). This is actually ok for news, because RAID 5 isn't as fast as RAID 0. You probably want RAID 0 for news, whatever you use. 2. I would not recommand using IDE drives for news. While there has been a fair amount of "hey, IDE is good enough for most people" talk lately (my next (cheap) box will probably be IDE), I think news servers are still a place where SCSI is much better than IDE. You might want to search for Joe Greco's posts about sol.net's news servers (search on the www.freebsd.org search engine): he's running a top-10 news server or two with FreeBSD, and he has discussed hardware for both INN and Diablo. -- bryan k ogawa http://www.primenet.com/~bkogawa/ From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 25 16:09:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04647 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:09:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04636 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:09:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18598; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:38:53 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA03794; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:38:51 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980126103850.37289@lemis.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 10:38:50 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Kevin Day Cc: davet@geoplex.com, lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI backup tape drive recommendations (again) References: <7440.885543435@localhost> <199801231636.KAA19671@home.dragondata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801231636.KAA19671@home.dragondata.com>; from Kevin Day on Fri, Jan 23, 1998 at 10:36:44AM -0600 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 23, 1998 at 10:36:44AM -0600, Kevin Day wrote: >> >>>> Check out http://www.corpsys.com/cgi-bin/select?1130679869093&inventory&T >>>> for one supplier ($379 for a 4-tape changer). If you buy one and have >>>> trouble, let me know: I have one and have had none, but some people have >>>> had problems with refurbs which suggest a defective unit. >>>> >>>> Greg >>>> >>> >>> I've got several of those drives, and they work great. They need a *ton* of >>> airflow though, so if you mount them internally, put a fan behind them. >>> >>> I submitted a PR a while back showing how to use the scsi command to >>> autoload with them. (ch0 doesn't work on this drive) >> >> I've had one of these drives controlled with ch0 for over a year and a half. >> Did you forget to hack scsiconf.c so the other LUNs get probed? >> > > Tried that.... It worked, but after 4-5 changes, the drive would either > display 'ERROR 43' or say 'LOAD 0' and try to load a tape above where it > could reach, and lock up.... It was sending goofy commands to it I think... What device was this? Was it new or refurbished? What kind of carrier were you using (4 or 10 tapes)? What happens when you just issue an eject command? Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 25 16:29:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06511 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:29:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.dragondata.com (home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06506 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 16:29:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA08517; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:28:53 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199801260028.SAA08517@home.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: SCSI backup tape drive recommendations (again) In-Reply-To: <19980126103850.37289@lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Jan 26, 98 10:38:50 am" To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:28:52 -0600 (CST) Cc: davet@geoplex.com, lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >>> I've got several of those drives, and they work great. They need a *ton* of > >>> airflow though, so if you mount them internally, put a fan behind them. > >>> > >>> I submitted a PR a while back showing how to use the scsi command to > >>> autoload with them. (ch0 doesn't work on this drive) > >> > >> I've had one of these drives controlled with ch0 for over a year and a half. > >> Did you forget to hack scsiconf.c so the other LUNs get probed? > >> > > > > Tried that.... It worked, but after 4-5 changes, the drive would either > > display 'ERROR 43' or say 'LOAD 0' and try to load a tape above where it > > could reach, and lock up.... It was sending goofy commands to it I think... > > What device was this? Was it new or refurbished? What kind of > carrier were you using (4 or 10 tapes)? What happens when you just > issue an eject command? > > Greg > We have one new, and two refurbished. They all act the same way with ch0, but fine with using the scsi commands i hashed out... Eject works fine. Kevin From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 25 17:54:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17816 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:54:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oncomdis.on.ca (pstewart@oncomdis.on.ca [204.101.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17810 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 17:54:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pstewart@oncomdis.on.ca) Received: from localhost (pstewart@localhost) by oncomdis.on.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA26104; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:46:30 -0500 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:46:29 -0500 (EST) From: pstewart To: server-linux@netspace.org cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: INN errors Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know what is causing this error on our news machine? :) Jan 25 20:30:11 news innxmit[17902]: news.bellglobal.com authenticate failed Math argument out of domain of func Thanks, Paul -- Out the modem, through the SPARC, down the T3, off the router, past the frame-relay... nothing but Net. From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 25 20:55:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04650 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:55:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA04643 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:55:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kendo@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (kendo@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id WAA08531; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:55:25 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (kendo@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id WAA07900; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:55:24 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 22:55:24 -0600 (CST) From: kendo To: Robert Ricci cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Win95 and WINS In-Reply-To: <34C6DD23.D14B6735@theonlynet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I work in the ISP industry. I have encountered Win95 problems of this ilk. Wins Config should be set to disable wins resolution. If it is already set this way try setting it to use DHCP for WINS resolution and rebooting. After reboot, go back in and set it to Disable WINS resolution again. Usually this fixes those problems. I have no explanation as to why Win95 blows. On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Robert Ricci wrote: > We use a FreeBSD box with Cyclades cards in it for our dial-in accounts. > Mgetty answers the line, then pppd is used for the ppp end of things. > Many of our clients who use Windows 95 have had occasional problems > dialing in. The symptoms are diverse ("Cannot establish a compatible > protocol" to inability to send any packets once authenticated). However, > the common theme seems to be that if they change the WINS setting (In > the TCP/IP settings in the Control Panel), the problem goes away. Some > people have to turn on WINS, some have to turn it off. (Don't ask me why > turning it ON helps!) From ijppp on my home FreeBSD machine, I have no > such problems. Have any of you ever had an experience like this? Were > you able to fix it? (Unfortunately, telling all my customers "Get a real > OS" isn't an option.) Here's what's in my /etc/ppp/options file: > > crtscts > modem > proxyarp > defaultroute > dns1 206.29.203.3 > domain theonlynet.com > kdebug 0 > auth > -chap > +pap > login > passive > silent > asyncmap 000a0000 > pap-timeout 30 > > Any changes I should make here? > > Also - We have a WEIRD version of FreeBSD on this machine - 2.2-GAMMA . > I'd love to upgrade, but I can't spare the downtime right now. I've got > Danny's pppkit , but I've been afraid to install the pppd that came with > it, because of our unusual version of FreeBSD. Do you know if it will > work? > > Apparently NT terminal servers (I shudder at the thought) don't have > this problem. Another scheme to try to make us use NT? > > Robert Ricci > rricci@theonlynet.com > > "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" > -- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 26 08:18:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09117 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:18:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wopr.inetu.net (wopr.inetu.net [207.18.13.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09108 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 08:18:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dev@wopr.inetu.net) Received: from localhost (dev@localhost) by wopr.inetu.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04457; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:26:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:26:44 -0500 (EST) From: Dev Chanchani To: Dan Roberts cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Using alternate mail server for virtual hosts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There is a flag for mail.local to check if the mailbox name is valid before attempting delivery. man mail.local and check the flag. You probably want to play with that option. Dev Chanchani - INetU, Inc.(tm) - http://www.INetU.net Electronic commerce - Web development - Web hosting dev@INetU.net - Phone: (610) 266-7441 On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Dan Roberts wrote: > Up until just last week we've had one machine handling all of our virtual > hosted web customers.. the machine handled all websites and email > accounts. Now I've added a second machine which will serve a new set of > virtual host customers, but I want to keep the email boxes for their > domain on the old machine. > > The problem I'm having is getting mail sent properly from the new vhost > machine to users within domains that are hosted there. For example, let's > say we host www.domain.com on the new vhost machine.. if you try to send > email to anyone@domain.com from that server, it tries to deliver it > locally but fails because there are no mailboxes there. Instead, it > should deliver the message to the mailbox on the other server. > > MX records are set up properly, and I am using sendmail on both machines. > What can I do to force delivery for these domains onto the original > server? > > -- > Dan Roberts, http://gwis.com/~droberts Gateway to Internet Services > sysadmin/ircadmin, barovia.oh.us.dal.net for Internet access in NE Ohio > http://barovia.dal.net - Strahd on DALnet http://www.gwis.com > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 26 21:05:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04030 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:05:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from infowest.com (infowest.com [204.17.177.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04011 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:05:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from agifford@infowest.com) Received: from default (homework.infowest.com [207.49.60.254]) by infowest.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA13296 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:04:51 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980126220449.03b35270@infowest.com> X-Sender: agifford@infowest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 22:04:49 -0700 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Aaron D. Gifford" Subject: Re: IRC - Anyone know anything about this? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:42 PM 1/23/98 +0000, Karl Pielorz wrote: >Hi, > >Can someone either answer the questions below, or point me in the right >direction regards IRC? > >We're a small ISP in the UK - and recently all our customers have been >'booted' off other UK ISP's IRC servers (notably Demon) - Not that were saying >this is _wrong_ or anything, as it's their IRC server, their bandwidth etc... > >My questions are: > >1. Where can I get any documentation about setting up IRC on FreeBSD? - what >IRC servers are popular etc.? I'm slightly familiar with the Undernet variation of IRC server, called ircu. At least I was a few years ago. I haven't kept up since then, but I've still got a few references. The Undernet irc daemon development web page is at: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/ircd-dev/ You can download the latest ircu server at: ftp://ftp.undernet.org/irc/servers/ircu2.10.01.tgz >2. If I setup a local IRC server - this isn't going to suck all our bandwidth >is it? - Am I right in thinking it will only use as much bandwidth as the >clients it's supporting are using? (e.g. 4 clients in 5 channels means it will >only be receiving data sent to those 4 clients in 5 channels, and not _all_ >the other channels being sent? - kinda like an IRC proxy 'server' more than >anything else?) The problem with IRC the basic server design (at least this was the case a few years ago -- I don't know how much this has changed) is that the channel and user databases are maintained on each and every server, no matter how many local users are actually online on any subset of channels. So channel topics changes, mode changes, online user list (list of each and every IRC user online everywhere on every connected server), and the channel user lists (1 list per channel, listing who is on that channel and what their status is, whether channel operator, etc). The various flavors of the original IRC server-to-server protocol attempt to synchronize the databases in real-time. It's this maintainence of databases that eats bandwidth for small end-user IRC server sites, even if the server site had NO users online. There were proposals to make "leaf node" servers that query upstream "hub" servers for data on a need-to-know basis and only do real-time synchronization on channels that local users are actually participating in. I don't know what progress has been made on these designs since last I browsed ircu code. >I've played around with ircd, and got some 'interesting' results, which bare >no comparison to the config files I thought I'd been setting up - I thought >I'd better find out more info - before I go round causing 'trouble' ;-) > >Thanks for any help, > >Regards, > >Karl Pielorz Good luck in your IRC endeavors. Aaron out. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 26 23:30:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01587 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:30:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iacsv2.iacnet.or.jp (iacsv2.iacnet.or.jp [202.247.23.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01579 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:30:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from S-Inoue@iacnet.or.jp) Received: from iacsv5.iacnet.or.jp (iacsv6.iacnet.or.jp [202.247.23.45]) by iacsv2.iacnet.or.jp (8.8.8+2.7Wbeta7/3.6W-30/11/1997 16:49:40) with ESMTP id QAA00589 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:30:53 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199801270730.QAA00589@iacsv2.iacnet.or.jp> From: "Shigeo Inoue" To: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:33:20 +0900 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org auth 6d80045c subscribe freebsd-isp S-Inoue@iacnet.or.jp From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 01:09:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14856 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 01:09:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from anna.cs.ru.lv (root@anna.cs.ru.lv [159.148.235.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14847 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 01:09:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vic@anna.cs.ru.lv) Received: (from vic@localhost) by anna.cs.ru.lv (8.8.5/8.6.12) id LAA05609; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:09:10 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:09:09 +0200 (EET) From: Victor Meirans To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Off-topic problem: CISCO 516 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, I know that this is off topic, but I hope somebody can help to solve my problem. We are small ISP (of course we use FreeBSD) with one static link to our upper ISP, and use a pretty old CISCO 516 for routing and dial-up. It runs v.9.21(3) OS. The problem is that it restarts all the time when somebody on the network is trying to access specific IP adrresses. The one I know for sure that it can not acces the host if it's IP contains "90" in the "B" class subnet (XXX.90.XXX.XXX). For example "www.nbceurope.com" or "netvision.net.il". "show version" reports that ..... System restarted by bus error at PC 0xCF35B1D8, address 0xCF35B1D8 ..... Is this error a cisco software bug or it's caused by some incorrect configuration? Maybe someone had something similar? Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advace. With best wishes Victor Meirans From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 02:30:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA25615 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:30:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from anna.cs.ru.lv (root@anna.cs.ru.lv [159.148.235.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA25610 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 02:30:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vic@anna.cs.ru.lv) Received: (from vic@localhost) by anna.cs.ru.lv (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA05937; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:29:59 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:29:58 +0200 (EET) From: Victor Meirans To: Andrew Kaszubski cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Off-topic problem: CISCO 516 In-Reply-To: <01BD2B67.C35DC450@hub.dimpex.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been told that this one is not upgradeable... ---> Vic <--- On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Andrew Kaszubski wrote: > Have you tried getting a newer version of the IOS ? > Just a thought. > > APK From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 07:00:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA28294 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:00:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28289 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:00:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA22746 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:03:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980127100426.00fd8a10@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:04:26 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: dennis Subject: Sendmail - low on space Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What does it mean (and what can you do) when Sendmail complains about being "low on space"? Theres plenty of room on the disk..... db From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 07:23:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03246 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:23:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vs1.virtualisys.com ([207.137.172.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03240 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:23:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randyk@ccsales.com) Received: from ntrkcasa (pool40.hiper.net [207.137.172.40]) by vs1.virtualisys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA05341; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:20:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980127072246.030dc230@ccsales.com> X-Sender: randyk@ccsales.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:22:46 -0800 To: dennis , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Randy A. Katz" Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980127100426.00fd8a10@etinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Could it be: O MinFreeBlocks=??? ... Thanx, Randy Katz At 10:04 AM 1/27/98 -0500, dennis wrote: > >What does it mean (and what can you do) when Sendmail complains >about being "low on space"? Theres plenty of room on the disk..... > >db > > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 07:24:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03455 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:24:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bert.club-web.com (bert.club-web.com [207.176.196.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03450 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:24:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@club-web.com) Received: from club-web.com (ernie.club-web.com [207.176.196.12]) by bert.club-web.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24101 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:28:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34CDFF95.8EF5809F@club-web.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:39:01 -0500 From: Mark Segal Organization: Club-Web Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dennis wrote: > > What does it mean (and what can you do) when Sendmail complains > about being "low on space"? Theres plenty of room on the disk..... > It's probably low on space on /var not /usr.. just do a "df" and you will proably see the disk usage on /var is really high like 90%+ this is probably do to some user with 14 megs of email.. :) mark -- Mark Segal mark@club-web.com System Administrator - Club-Web Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 07:31:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04973 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:31:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from i-p-d.com (artemis.host4u.com [209.60.43.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04967 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:31:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chem@i-p-d.com) From: chem@i-p-d.com Received: from gateway (safehaven@brd1-p75.worldonline.nl [195.241.136.75]) by i-p-d.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA15393 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:32:06 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199801271832.TAA15393@i-p-d.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:32:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: problem with secondary nameserver Reply-to: chem@i-p-d.com In-reply-to: <3.0.32.19980127100426.00fd8a10@etinc.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, We have been renting a preconfigured FreeBSD-server for about a month now, to be able to host websites. I am an absolute beginner on this and I dont know if this is the place to come with the problem i have, but here it goes: Its no problem to registre com, net and org-domains, but when I try to register an .nl-domain, that organisation tells me my secondary nameserver is not 'authoritive' and does not allow zonetransfers from other machines. Any suggestions on how to solve this (besides moving to the US)? TIA Gina van Zundert Internet Page Design tel: 0165-571675 fax: 0165-571710 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 07:50:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08358 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:50:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from support.euronet.nl (support.euronet.nl [194.134.32.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08333 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 07:50:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sake@euronet.nl) Received: (from sake@localhost) by support.euronet.nl (8.8.5/8.6.12) id QAA27613; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:49:26 +0100 (CET) From: Sake Blok Message-Id: <199801271549.QAA27613@support.euronet.nl> Subject: Re: problem with secondary nameserver In-Reply-To: <199801271832.TAA15393@i-p-d.com> from "chem@i-p-d.com" at "Jan 27, 98 04:32:01 pm" To: chem@i-p-d.com Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:49:26 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: sake@nl.euro.net X-URL: http://www.euronet.nl/~sake/ X-quote: Anything you say in your sleep, X-quote: can and WILL be used against you in a court of love. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Its no problem to registre com, net and org-domains, but when I try > to register an .nl-domain, that organisation tells me my secondary > nameserver is not 'authoritive' and does not allow zonetransfers from > other machines. Any suggestions on how to solve this (besides moving > to the US)? In the Netherlands you have to be a member of the domain-registry-organisation to be able to registrate domains (under .nl). Have you checked out the procedure at http://www.domain-registry.nl ? Sake -- Sake Blok * * EuroNet Internet Manager Implementation Team * * Herengracht 208 - 214 * 1016 BS Amsterdam E-mail: sake@nl.euro.net * Tel: +31 20 535 55 55 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 08:06:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA11140 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:06:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.trace.com.tw (ronald@mail.trace.com.tw [203.67.189.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA11134 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:06:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ronald@mail.trace.com.tw) Received: from localhost (ronald@localhost) by mail.trace.com.tw (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA14102; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:51:05 +0800 X-Comments: ****** Message sent through an Trace acount ****** X-http: ****** http://www.trace.com.tw ****** Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:51:04 +0800 (CST) From: Ronald Wiplinger To: dennis cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980127100426.00fd8a10@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, dennis wrote: > > What does it mean (and what can you do) when Sendmail complains > about being "low on space"? Theres plenty of room on the disk..... > It means that it is low on space ;-) Now you need to find out why. 1. read the manual (suggested from ETINC support, and read all related RFC, you don't need it, but it is suggested from ETINC support, e.g., RFC 822, further read sendmail 2nd edition, .....) 2. check if the space is really enough 3. check the permission if you can use the free space. 4. ask a Unix consultant (e.g. Katz) ;-) If you still have problem, than please tell us which FreeBSD version you are using, which sendmail you are using, and if you have changed something since the problem started, e.g. the sendmail.cf file. BTW, don't forget to send the screw and spring. Sendmail DOES come complete, ...... (Sorry, I could not resist, .....) bye Ronald (CISCO sales point for Taiwan) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 08:32:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15817 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:32:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from s02.admin.cantv.net (s02.admin.cantv.net [161.196.66.41] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15810 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:32:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lem@cantv.net) Received: from lemtop.cantv.net ([161.196.66.20]) by s02.admin.cantv.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA15221; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:29:23 -0400 (GMT-0400) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980127121945.008a9c80@pop.cantv.net> X-Sender: lem@pop.cantv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:19:45 -0400 To: Victor Meirans From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= Subject: Re: Off-topic problem: CISCO 516 Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:09 AM 27/01/1998 +0200, Victor Meirans wrote: [snip] >"show version" reports that >..... >System restarted by bus error at PC 0xCF35B1D8, address 0xCF35B1D8 >..... > >Is this error a cisco software bug or it's caused by some incorrect >configuration? Maybe someone had something similar? This is a bug. If your budget is limited, try to buy a used Cisco 2500 box. (Please let's not start the war about dedicated routers again ;) -lem From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 08:43:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17931 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:43:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17911 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:43:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA27933; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:43:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801271643.IAA27933@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: dennis cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 27 Jan 98 10:04:26 -0500. <3.0.32.19980127100426.00fd8a10@etinc.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 08:43:33 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >What does it mean (and what can you do) when Sendmail complains >about being "low on space"? Theres plenty of room on the disk..... There's plenty of room on /var? I'd bet not... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon mvanloon@exmsft.com michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 09:39:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25663 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:39:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from i-p-d.com (artemis.host4u.com [209.60.43.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25658 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:39:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chem@i-p-d.com) From: chem@i-p-d.com Received: from gateway (safehaven@brd1-p8.worldonline.nl [195.241.136.8]) by i-p-d.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15566; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:41:00 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199801271741.SAA15566@i-p-d.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: sake@nl.euro.net Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:39:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: problem with secondary nameserver Reply-to: chem@i-p-d.com CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199801271549.QAA27613@support.euronet.nl> References: <199801271832.TAA15393@i-p-d.com> from "chem@i-p-d.com" at "Jan 27, 98 04:32:01 pm" X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: Sake Blok > > Its no problem to registre com, net and org-domains, but when I try > > to register an .nl-domain, that organisation tells me my secondary > > nameserver is not 'authoritive' and does not allow zonetransfers from > > other machines. Any suggestions on how to solve this (besides moving > > to the US)? > > In the Netherlands you have to be a member of the domain-registry-organisation > to be able to registrate domains (under .nl). Have you checked out the > procedure at http://www.domain-registry.nl ? > I am familiar with the procedure, but because it costs Fl. 2.000 a year ($1.000) to be a member, we didnt sign up yet. Gina van Zundert Internet Page Design tel: 0165-571675 fax: 0165-571710 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 10:45:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09562 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:45:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sabre.goldsword.com (sabre.goldsword.com [199.170.202.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09548 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:45:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfarmer@sabre.goldsword.com) Received: (from jfarmer@localhost) by sabre.goldsword.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id NAA07924; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:41:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:41:51 -0500 (EST) From: "John T. Farmer" Message-Id: <199801271841.NAA07924@sabre.goldsword.com> To: dennis@etinc.com, ronald@mail.trace.com.tw Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jfarmer@goldsword.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:51:04 +0800 (CST) Ronald Wiplinger said: >On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, dennis wrote: > >> [...Dennis asking a reasonable question....] > Some decent answers mixed with smarta*s remarks, such as: >1. read the manual (suggested from ETINC support, and read all related >RFC, you don't need it, but it is suggested from ETINC support, e.g., RFC >822, further read sendmail 2nd edition, .....) And: >BTW, don't forget to send the screw and spring. Sendmail DOES come >complete, ...... (Sorry, I could not resist, .....) > Ronald, You want to tweak Dennis? Do it on your own time, PRIVATELY! I've got too little time to listen to you whine at him on this list. John (who's obviously in a not good mood...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John T. Farmer Proprietor, GoldSword Systems jfarmer@goldsword.com Public Internet Access in East Tennessee dial-in (423)470-9953 for info, e-mail to info@goldsword.com Network Design, Internet Services & Servers, Consulting From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 10:46:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09896 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:46:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09888 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:46:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA02025 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:46:30 GMT (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <34CE2B86.5669FCCD@tdx.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:46:30 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Cosmetics / gettytab / 'issue' equivalent... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Does anyone know why the 'if' option in /etc/gettytab doesn't appear to work? I created a world-readable file under /etc called 'issue.net', then I changed the default gettytab entry thus: default:\ :cb:ce:ck:lc:fd#1000:if=/etc/issue.net:im=test :sp#1200: But it doesn't work - all I get is: test login: I've tried quoting the path to the file, protecting the '/'s (e.g. \/' etc.) - but all to no avail... Can anyone tell me the stupidly simple thing I've missed? Thanks, Karl Pielorz From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 10:59:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12690 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:59:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from breadfruit.seychelles.net (breadfruit.seychelles.net [202.84.227.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12622 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:58:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from atlashlp@seychelles.net) Received: from Atlas.seychelles.net ([202.84.227.21]) by breadfruit.seychelles.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id TAA20708 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:00:14 GMT Message-ID: <34CE2BC3.641D@seychelles.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:47:31 +0400 From: Muditha Gunatilake Reply-To: muditha@seychelles.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [Fwd: error] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------611C502C7580" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------611C502C7580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Can you please expalin what this error exactly means. What should I do about it. Thanx -- --------------------- Muditha Gunatilake Atlas Seychelles Ltd Phone:+248 304060 Fax :+248 324565 email: muditha@seychelles.net mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk muditha@creole.seychelles.net :-) --------------611C502C7580 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: (from root@localhost) by breadfruit.seychelles.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) id SAA20531 for muditha@seychelles.net; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:43:23 GMT Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:43:23 GMT From: Charlie Root Message-Id: <199801271843.SAA20531@breadfruit.seychelles.net> To: muditha@seychelles.net Subject: error error Jan 27 18:42:05 breadfruit /kernel: uid 0 on /: file system full Jan 27 18:42:05 breadfruit /kernel: uid 0 on /: file system full Jan 27 18:42:06 breadfruit mail.local: temporary file write error Jan 27 18:42:06 breadfruit mail.local: temporary file write error --------------611C502C7580-- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 11:09:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14569 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:09:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tabby.kudra.com (gw.kudra.com [199.6.44.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14564 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:09:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@kudra.com) Received: (from robert@localhost) by tabby.kudra.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id OAA26922; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:09:26 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Sexton Message-Id: <199801271909.OAA26922@tabby.kudra.com> Subject: Re: [Fwd: error] To: muditha@seychelles.net Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:09:25 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <34CE2BC3.641D@seychelles.net> from "Muditha Gunatilake" at Jan 27, 98 10:47:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi, > Can you please expalin what this error exactly means. What should I do > about it. > Jan 27 18:42:05 breadfruit /kernel: uid 0 on /: file system full > Jan 27 18:42:06 breadfruit mail.local: temporary file write error > Jan 27 18:42:06 breadfruit mail.local: temporary file write error It means that the file system is full. I'd suggest buying "the UNIX system administration handbook", 2nd edition, by Nemeth, Snyder, Seebass, Hein ISBN 0-13-151051-7 -- Robert Sexton - robert@kudra.com, Cincinnati OH, USA Never was anything great achieved without danger - Niccolo Machiavelli Read the Newton FAQ! From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 11:10:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14670 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:10:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14652 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:10:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@korin.warman.org.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04971 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:12:49 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:12:49 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: One floppy FreeBSD - URL Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! It seems I somehow managed to omit the URL in my announcement... Here it goes: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/incoming/picoBSD/* This directory contains binary versions (two different sets of utilities are installed on each of them), and a set of scripts for creating your own version. Andrzej Bialecki ---------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@warman.org.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. ---------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 11:15:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15794 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:15:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mph124.rh.psu.edu (mph@MPH124.rh.psu.edu [128.118.126.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15649 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:14:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mph@mph124.rh.psu.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by mph124.rh.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27929; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:14:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mph) Message-ID: <19980127141417.10669@mph124.rh.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:14:17 -0500 From: Matthew Hunt To: Karl Pielorz Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cosmetics / gettytab / 'issue' equivalent... References: <34CE2B86.5669FCCD@tdx.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <34CE2B86.5669FCCD@tdx.co.uk>; from Karl Pielorz on Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 06:46:30PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 06:46:30PM +0000, Karl Pielorz wrote: > default:\ > :cb:ce:ck:lc:fd#1000:if=/etc/issue.net:im=test :sp#1200: [...] > test login: I don't have time right now to look at the source (sorry) but I just tried: default:\ :cb:ce:ck:lc:fd#1000:if=/etc/issue:\ im=\fFreeBSD (%h) (%t)\r\n\r\n:sp#1200: The result was that the contents of /etc/issue were displayed, but the "\fFreeBSD (%h) (%t)\r\n\r\n" was not, which is exactly opposite what you observe. Perhaps "if" and "im" are mutually exclusive; you might want to try removing the "im=test " entry from gettytab. Regards, Matthew -- Matthew Hunt * Think locally, act globally. http://mph124.rh.psu.edu/~mph/pgp.key for PGP public key 0x67203349. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 11:21:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16831 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:21:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ohio.river.org (river.org [209.24.233.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16824 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:21:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhawk@ohio.river.org) Received: (from dhawk@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id LAA15107; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:20:17 -0800 (PST) From: David Hawkins Message-Id: <199801271920.LAA15107@ohio.river.org> Subject: Re: Cosmetics / gettytab / 'issue' equivalent... In-Reply-To: <34CE2B86.5669FCCD@tdx.co.uk> from Karl Pielorz at "Jan 27, 98 06:46:30 pm" To: kpielorz@tdx.co.uk (Karl Pielorz) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:20:17 -0800 (PST) Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don't know, but if you're wanting to put a static message before the login prompt you can just put it in 'im' This has always worked for me: # default:\ :cb:ce:ck:lc:fd#1000:im=\r\n River (%h) (%t)\r\n\r\n\ To create an account type "newuser" with a password of "guest"\r\n\ Or enter your userid if you already have an account.\r\n\ Send email to support@river.org if you can't login.\r\n\r\n:sp#1200: Of course if you want a file that changes then this isn't a great answer... later, david -- David Hawkins -- dhawk@river.org http://www.river.org/~dhawk I don't have to take this abuse from you -- I've got hundreds of people waiting to abuse me. -- Bill Murray, "Ghostbusters" From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 11:21:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA16924 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:21:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16915 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:21:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from damian@axe.cablenet.net) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA26310; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:18:02 GMT Message-ID: <34CE32EA.2C67412E@cablenet.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:18:02 +0000 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dennis@etinc.com CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space References: <34CDFF95.8EF5809F@club-web.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Text: stage1: times: phone 0.45 ms, websites 58.668 ms, emailaddr 0.389 ms, keyword 371.539 ms, domains 0.205 ms, X-Spam-Text: stage1: times: html 4.361 ms, X-Spam-Text: Stage Checktimes: stage1 434.886 ms, stage2 19.584 ms, stage3 0.025 ms, Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Segal wrote: > > dennis wrote: > > > > What does it mean (and what can you do) when Sendmail complains > > about being "low on space"? Theres plenty of room on the disk..... > > > It's probably low on space on /var not /usr.. just do a "df" and you > will proably see the disk usage on /var is really high like 90%+ this is > probably do to some user with 14 megs of email.. :) Yes consider moving your mail queue (/var/spool/mqueue) to your /usr partition and symlinking to it. regards damian -- * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net * CableNet & The Landscape Channel * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 11:36:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19330 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:36:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA19321 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:36:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mountin.man@mixcom.com) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id NAA20263; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:37:59 -0600 Received: from dial193-45.mixcom.com(207.250.193.45) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma020238; Tue Jan 27 13:37:38 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980127133217.006954b0@198.137.186.100> X-Sender: mmttnn@198.137.186.100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:32:17 -0600 To: Damian Hamill , dennis@etinc.com From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <34CE32EA.2C67412E@cablenet.net> References: <34CDFF95.8EF5809F@club-web.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:18 PM 1/27/98 +0000, Damian Hamill wrote: >Mark Segal wrote: >> >> dennis wrote: >> > >> > What does it mean (and what can you do) when Sendmail complains >> > about being "low on space"? Theres plenty of room on the disk..... >> > >> It's probably low on space on /var not /usr.. just do a "df" and you >> will proably see the disk usage on /var is really high like 90%+ this is >> probably do to some user with 14 megs of email.. :) > >Yes consider moving your mail queue (/var/spool/mqueue) to your /usr >partition and symlinking to it. Unless disk IO and space is an issue, where a nth disk is mounted a /var, I symlink the entire /var to /usr/var when installing. No sense deciding how much to reserve for /var and /usr and more economical for single disk installs. Some special files won't copy, but are restored upon reboot. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking mountin.man@mixcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 11:50:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22980 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:50:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22928 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:50:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA02455; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:49:28 GMT (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <34CE3A47.E004C056@tdx.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:49:27 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Hunt CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cosmetics / gettytab / 'issue' equivalent... References: <34CE2B86.5669FCCD@tdx.co.uk> <19980127141417.10669@mph124.rh.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmmm... Mine still doesn't work, I've now got:- default:\ :cb:ce:ck:lc:fd#1000:if=/etc/issue:sp#1200: And, (root) >ls -l /etc/issue -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 18 Jan 27 19:45 /etc/issue But it doesn't copy the file... Hmmm... I'll continue looking around, at the moment it's pretty low on my priority list - but thanks for the reply... Regards, Karl Matthew Hunt wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 06:46:30PM +0000, Karl Pielorz wrote: > > > default:\ > > :cb:ce:ck:lc:fd#1000:if=/etc/issue.net:im=test :sp#1200: > [...] > > test login: > > I don't have time right now to look at the source (sorry) but I just > tried: > > default:\ > :cb:ce:ck:lc:fd#1000:if=/etc/issue:\ > im=\fFreeBSD (%h) (%t)\r\n\r\n:sp#1200: > > The result was that the contents of /etc/issue were displayed, > but the "\fFreeBSD (%h) (%t)\r\n\r\n" was not, which is exactly > opposite what you observe. > > Perhaps "if" and "im" are mutually exclusive; you might want to try > removing the "im=test " entry from gettytab. > > Regards, > Matthew > > -- > Matthew Hunt * Think locally, act globally. > http://mph124.rh.psu.edu/~mph/pgp.key for PGP public key 0x67203349. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 12:38:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03247 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:38:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from george.arc.nasa.gov (george.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.194.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03219 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:38:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov) From: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov Received: (from lamaster@localhost) by george.arc.nasa.gov (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA04209; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:34:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:34:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801272034.MAA04209@george.arc.nasa.gov> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space Cc: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org |>> At 07:18 PM 1/27/98 +0000, Damian Hamill wrote: |>> >Mark Segal wrote: |>> >> dennis wrote: |>> >> will proably see the disk usage on /var is really high like 90%+ this is |>> >> probably do to some user with 14 megs of email.. :) |>> > |>> >Yes consider moving your mail queue (/var/spool/mqueue) to your /usr |>> >partition and symlinking to it. |>> |>> Unless disk IO and space is an issue, where a nth disk |>> is mounted a /var, I symlink the entire /var to /usr/var |>> when installing. No sense deciding how much to reserve for |>> /var and /usr and more economical for single disk installs. I know it is unfashionable right now to say this, and, each to his own taste, but, /var was created for a reason. The reason hasn't really gone away. I think it in multiple-user environments it is good planning to decide how much to reserve in advance for, e.g., the user mail input queues. As well as user home directories and other similar requirements. In other words, while the original user needs help and probably doesn't feel like re-partitioning the disk at this point, in general, I recommend planning the /var partition in advance and partitioning the disk accordingly. The FreeBSD sysinstall defaults are reasonable for smallish disks, but most people have more memory and bigger disks today, and would benefit from generally larger partitions (including swap). But, the basic partitioning is very reasonable; the default sizes for /, swap, and /var, should probably be larger for larger disks. -Hugh LaMaster Hugh LaMaster, M/S 258-5, ASCII Email: hlamaster@mail.arc.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Or: lamaster@nas.nasa.gov Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 No Junkmail: USC 18 section 2701 Phone: 415/604-1056 Disclaimer: Unofficial, personal *opinion*. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 13:27:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15990 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:27:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from guardian.fortress.org (fortress.org [199.202.137.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15964 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:27:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA23781; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:24:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:24:55 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-Reply-To: <199801272034.MAA04209@george.arc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'll jump in on this one as I've been bitten by the small /var more than once! Watch out for /tmp too as the the local mail delivery agent called by sendmail (usually rmail) will write into /tmp. So if you are trying to deliver a large file it may still fail, and even if you have the space in /var/mail. I create my systems without a physical /var parition and symlink /var and /tmp into /usr/var and /usr/tmp respectively, this eliminates all problems, and you don't end up "wasting" lots of disk space for temporary files. Can we make this the default of sysinstall? Alternatively you CAN create a biggish /var partion and link /tmp into /var/tmp. On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov wrote: > |>> At 07:18 PM 1/27/98 +0000, Damian Hamill wrote: > |>> >Mark Segal wrote: > |>> >> dennis wrote: > |>> >> will proably see the disk usage on /var is really high like 90%+ this is > |>> >> probably do to some user with 14 megs of email.. :) > |>> > > |>> >Yes consider moving your mail queue (/var/spool/mqueue) to your /usr > |>> >partition and symlinking to it. > |>> > |>> Unless disk IO and space is an issue, where a nth disk > |>> is mounted a /var, I symlink the entire /var to /usr/var > |>> when installing. No sense deciding how much to reserve for > |>> /var and /usr and more economical for single disk installs. > > > I know it is unfashionable right now to say this, and, > each to his own taste, but, /var was created for a reason. > The reason hasn't really gone away. I think it in > multiple-user environments it is good planning > to decide how much to reserve in advance for, e.g., > the user mail input queues. As well as user home > directories and other similar requirements. > > In other words, while the original user needs help and probably > doesn't feel like re-partitioning the disk at this point, > in general, I recommend planning the /var partition in advance > and partitioning the disk accordingly. The FreeBSD sysinstall > defaults are reasonable for smallish disks, but most people > have more memory and bigger disks today, and would benefit from > generally larger partitions (including swap). But, the basic > partitioning is very reasonable; the default sizes for /, swap, > and /var, should probably be larger for larger disks. > > > > -Hugh LaMaster > > Hugh LaMaster, M/S 258-5, ASCII Email: hlamaster@mail.arc.nasa.gov > NASA Ames Research Center Or: lamaster@nas.nasa.gov > Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 No Junkmail: USC 18 section 2701 > Phone: 415/604-1056 Disclaimer: Unofficial, personal *opinion*. > > Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net Key fingerprint = CF E8 16 B8 A6 DB E3 C9 83 E7 96 24 25 58 15 6E PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3 tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 13:29:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16345 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:29:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16274 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:29:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA02966; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:27:12 GMT (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <34CE5130.5FBD90A8@tdx.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:27:12 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space References: <199801272034.MAA04209@george.arc.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would tend to agree... On our large disks we anticipated having a lot of mail users, and made /var a very large partition accordingly... I've also found it's normally better to split the disk up into a few partitions, if you loose say, /usr - the system will still come up - and can be quite manageable with a little forward planning ;-) Whereas if everything is on a '/' file system - and you loose it - you have a lot of stuff to put back in 1 go, usually in a hurry (Touch Wood) We have not run out of /var space at all - some would think 'wasted diskspace', others would say 'careful planning, and accounting of costs vs. risk vs. space' :-) My boss thinks costs... I tend to think trouble when it breaks... Regards, Kp lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov wrote: > I know it is unfashionable right now to say this, and, > each to his own taste, but, /var was created for a reason. > The reason hasn't really gone away. I think it in > multiple-user environments it is good planning > to decide how much to reserve in advance for, e.g., > the user mail input queues. As well as user home > directories and other similar requirements. > > In other words, while the original user needs help and probably > doesn't feel like re-partitioning the disk at this point, > in general, I recommend planning the /var partition in advance > and partitioning the disk accordingly. The FreeBSD sysinstall > defaults are reasonable for smallish disks, but most people > have more memory and bigger disks today, and would benefit from > generally larger partitions (including swap). But, the basic > partitioning is very reasonable; the default sizes for /, swap, > and /var, should probably be larger for larger disks. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 13:49:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19813 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:49:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.mel.aone.net.au (mail.mel.aone.net.au [203.12.176.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19808 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:49:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from normh@aone.com.au) Received: from pc-normh.office.adl.aone.com.au (pc-normh.adl.aone.com.au [203.12.181.67]) by mail.mel.aone.net.au (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA14252; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:49:02 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199801272149.IAA14252@mail.mel.aone.net.au> From: "Norman Hoy" To: , Cc: Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:18:31 +1030 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I must admit I am lazy, and working out how much room to leave for /var and /tmp for some future time is just all too hard. re-partitioning hdd's is also too hard. Where as in comparision to my time several hdd's are cheap. So I put /var and /tmp on their own physical hdd. So if I run out of space all I do is get a bigger hdd and replace the one that is too small regards Norman ---------- > From: Andrew Webster > To: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space > Date: Wednesday, 28 January 1998 7:54 > > I'll jump in on this one as I've been bitten by the small /var more than > once! > > Watch out for /tmp too as the the local mail delivery agent called by > sendmail (usually rmail) will write into /tmp. So if you are trying > to deliver a large file it may still fail, and even if you have the space > in /var/mail. > > I create my systems without a physical /var parition and symlink /var and > /tmp into /usr/var and /usr/tmp respectively, this eliminates all > problems, and you don't end up "wasting" lots of disk space for temporary > files. > > Can we make this the default of sysinstall? > > Alternatively you CAN create a biggish /var partion and link /tmp into > /var/tmp. > > > > On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov wrote: > > > |>> At 07:18 PM 1/27/98 +0000, Damian Hamill wrote: > > |>> >Mark Segal wrote: > > |>> >> dennis wrote: > > |>> >> will proably see the disk usage on /var is really high like 90%+ this is > > |>> >> probably do to some user with 14 megs of email.. :) > > |>> > > > |>> >Yes consider moving your mail queue (/var/spool/mqueue) to your /usr > > |>> >partition and symlinking to it. > > |>> > > |>> Unless disk IO and space is an issue, where a nth disk > > |>> is mounted a /var, I symlink the entire /var to /usr/var > > |>> when installing. No sense deciding how much to reserve for > > |>> /var and /usr and more economical for single disk installs. > > > > > > I know it is unfashionable right now to say this, and, > > each to his own taste, but, /var was created for a reason. > > The reason hasn't really gone away. I think it in > > multiple-user environments it is good planning > > to decide how much to reserve in advance for, e.g., > > the user mail input queues. As well as user home > > directories and other similar requirements. > > > > In other words, while the original user needs help and probably > > doesn't feel like re-partitioning the disk at this point, > > in general, I recommend planning the /var partition in advance > > and partitioning the disk accordingly. The FreeBSD sysinstall > > defaults are reasonable for smallish disks, but most people > > have more memory and bigger disks today, and would benefit from > > generally larger partitions (including swap). But, the basic > > partitioning is very reasonable; the default sizes for /, swap, > > and /var, should probably be larger for larger disks. > > > > > > > > -Hugh LaMaster > > > > Hugh LaMaster, M/S 258-5, ASCII Email: hlamaster@mail.arc.nasa.gov > > NASA Ames Research Center Or: lamaster@nas.nasa.gov > > Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 No Junkmail: USC 18 section 2701 > > Phone: 415/604-1056 Disclaimer: Unofficial, personal *opinion*. > > > > > > Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net > Key fingerprint = CF E8 16 B8 A6 DB E3 C9 83 E7 96 24 25 58 15 6E > PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde > P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3 > tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443 > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 13:59:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21979 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:59:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from guardian.fortress.org (fortress.org [199.202.137.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21878 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:59:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA24781; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:59:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:59:22 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: Norman Hoy cc: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-Reply-To: <199801272149.IAA14252@mail.mel.aone.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Norman Hoy wrote: Of course what would be REALLY nice would be a virtual disk driver like AIX's JFS where you can just keep adding disks when you run out of space on the logical volume! Oh well, we can at least dream... > Hi all, > I must admit I am lazy, and working out how > much room to leave for /var and /tmp for some future time > is just all too hard. re-partitioning hdd's is also too hard. > Where as in comparision to my time several hdd's are cheap. > > So I put /var and /tmp on their own physical hdd. So if I run out > of space all I do is get a bigger hdd and replace the one that is too > small > > regards > Norman > > ---------- > > From: Andrew Webster > > To: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov > > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space > > Date: Wednesday, 28 January 1998 7:54 > > > > I'll jump in on this one as I've been bitten by the small /var more > than > > once! > > > > Watch out for /tmp too as the the local mail delivery agent called by > > sendmail (usually rmail) will write into /tmp. So if you are trying > > to deliver a large file it may still fail, and even if you have the > space > > in /var/mail. > > > > I create my systems without a physical /var parition and symlink /var > and > > /tmp into /usr/var and /usr/tmp respectively, this eliminates all > > problems, and you don't end up "wasting" lots of disk space for > temporary > > files. > > > > Can we make this the default of sysinstall? > > > > Alternatively you CAN create a biggish /var partion and link /tmp into > > /var/tmp. > > > > > > > > On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov wrote: > > > > > |>> At 07:18 PM 1/27/98 +0000, Damian Hamill wrote: > > > |>> >Mark Segal wrote: > > > |>> >> dennis wrote: > > > |>> >> will proably see the disk usage on /var is really high like > 90%+ this is > > > |>> >> probably do to some user with 14 megs of email.. :) > > > |>> > > > > |>> >Yes consider moving your mail queue (/var/spool/mqueue) to your > /usr > > > |>> >partition and symlinking to it. > > > |>> > > > |>> Unless disk IO and space is an issue, where a nth disk > > > |>> is mounted a /var, I symlink the entire /var to /usr/var > > > |>> when installing. No sense deciding how much to reserve for > > > |>> /var and /usr and more economical for single disk installs. > > > > > > > > > I know it is unfashionable right now to say this, and, > > > each to his own taste, but, /var was created for a reason. > > > The reason hasn't really gone away. I think it in > > > multiple-user environments it is good planning > > > to decide how much to reserve in advance for, e.g., > > > the user mail input queues. As well as user home > > > directories and other similar requirements. > > > > > > In other words, while the original user needs help and probably > > > doesn't feel like re-partitioning the disk at this point, > > > in general, I recommend planning the /var partition in advance > > > and partitioning the disk accordingly. The FreeBSD sysinstall > > > defaults are reasonable for smallish disks, but most people > > > have more memory and bigger disks today, and would benefit from > > > generally larger partitions (including swap). But, the basic > > > partitioning is very reasonable; the default sizes for /, swap, > > > and /var, should probably be larger for larger disks. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Hugh LaMaster > > > > > > Hugh LaMaster, M/S 258-5, ASCII Email: > hlamaster@mail.arc.nasa.gov > > > NASA Ames Research Center Or: lamaster@nas.nasa.gov > > > Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 No Junkmail: USC 18 section 2701 > > > Phone: 415/604-1056 Disclaimer: Unofficial, personal > *opinion*. > > > > > > > > > > Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net > > Key fingerprint = CF E8 16 B8 A6 DB E3 C9 83 E7 96 24 25 58 15 6E > > PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde > > P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3 > > tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443 > > > Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net Key fingerprint = CF E8 16 B8 A6 DB E3 C9 83 E7 96 24 25 58 15 6E PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3 tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 14:14:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27085 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:14:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from float.eli.net (float.eli.net [208.131.4.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27019 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:14:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blkirk@float.eli.net) Received: from localhost (blkirk@localhost) by float.eli.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA16242; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:13:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:13:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Ben Kirkpatrick, ELI" To: andrew@pubnix.net cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CCD Dreams? Was (Re: Sendmail - low on space) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I haven't worked with CCD at all, but it sounds like the same ballpark. Any idea how much code would have to be changed to get this kind of functionality? I really like the idea of having everything but the root be under a rubberized partioning scheme. I wonder how much overhead is involved? --Ben Kirkpatrick (not getting any work done today) On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Andrew Webster wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Norman Hoy wrote: > Of course what would be REALLY nice would be a virtual disk driver like > AIX's JFS where you can just keep adding disks when you run out of space > on the logical volume! > > Oh well, we can at least dream... > > > Hi all, > > I must admit I am lazy, and working out how > > much room to leave for /var and /tmp for some future time > > is just all too hard. re-partitioning hdd's is also too hard. > > Where as in comparision to my time several hdd's are cheap. > > > > So I put /var and /tmp on their own physical hdd. So if I run out > > of space all I do is get a bigger hdd and replace the one that is too > > small > > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 14:28:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29660 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:28:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA29644 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:28:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mountin.man@mixcom.com) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id QAA13788; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:25:16 -0600 Received: from dial193-21.mixcom.com(207.250.193.21) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma013750; Tue Jan 27 16:24:46 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980127161925.0070865c@198.137.186.100> X-Sender: mmttnn@198.137.186.100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:19:25 -0600 To: andrew@pubnix.net, lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <199801272034.MAA04209@george.arc.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:24 PM 1/27/98 -0500, Andrew Webster wrote: >I'll jump in on this one as I've been bitten by the small /var more than >once! > >Watch out for /tmp too as the the local mail delivery agent called by >sendmail (usually rmail) will write into /tmp. So if you are trying >to deliver a large file it may still fail, and even if you have the space >in /var/mail. I've been bitten by /tmp myself. Majordomo can kill a small /tmp in a hurry. >I create my systems without a physical /var parition and symlink /var and >/tmp into /usr/var and /usr/tmp respectively, this eliminates all >problems, and you don't end up "wasting" lots of disk space for temporary >files. > >Can we make this the default of sysinstall? > >Alternatively you CAN create a biggish /var partion and link /tmp into >/var/tmp. There may be reasons against this, since some programs use /var/tmp and /usr/tmp for different things, but see no practical reason why not. >On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov wrote: --snip-- >> I know it is unfashionable right now to say this, and, >> each to his own taste, but, /var was created for a reason. >> The reason hasn't really gone away. I think it in >> multiple-user environments it is good planning >> to decide how much to reserve in advance for, e.g., >> the user mail input queues. As well as user home >> directories and other similar requirements. Preference and needs of the situation should dictate how you manage the filesystems. As the number of users grow, more disks are needed... >> In other words, while the original user needs help and probably >> doesn't feel like re-partitioning the disk at this point, >> in general, I recommend planning the /var partition in advance >> and partitioning the disk accordingly. The FreeBSD sysinstall >> defaults are reasonable for smallish disks, but most people >> have more memory and bigger disks today, and would benefit from >> generally larger partitions (including swap). But, the basic >> partitioning is very reasonable; the default sizes for /, swap, >> and /var, should probably be larger for larger disks. I forget the defaults, but do recall that as packages were added to a system, the wasted space having separate /var and /usr partitions was an issue and forced me to start over fresh. :/ For a single user consigning /var to /usr/var and /tmp to either (/usr)/var/tmp or /usr/tmp works fine and if more space is needed, then another disk(s) can be used for the mount point(s) you wish. Even for a personal system, I'd much rather have 2 or 3 small disks. In an ISP environment only a DNS server could have one drive, IMHO. Unless you want to go overkill from the start, adjusting partition sizes on a production server is a greater hassle, easier to add a disk to either a growing or heavily hit filesystem. As the system grows it would be advisable to separate /var/spool/* (or just mqueue) and /var/mail, so the working and storage directories are on different disks, even to the point of using mutiple disks to break apart /var/mail. It all depends on if disk IO can keep up with demand. Break off /usr/home if there are a lot of shell users. I consider / and /usr the "base" of the system and work from there on what the needs will be by adding more drives. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking mountin.man@mixcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 14:33:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00859 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:33:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA00817 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:33:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mountin.man@mixcom.com) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id QAA15076; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:34:27 -0600 Received: from dial193-21.mixcom.com(207.250.193.21) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma015054; Tue Jan 27 16:34:25 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980127162904.0070865c@198.137.186.100> X-Sender: mmttnn@198.137.186.100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:29:04 -0600 To: Karl Pielorz , lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <34CE5130.5FBD90A8@tdx.co.uk> References: <199801272034.MAA04209@george.arc.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:27 PM 1/27/98 +0000, Karl Pielorz wrote: >I would tend to agree... On our large disks we anticipated having a lot of >mail users, and made /var a very large partition accordingly... > >I've also found it's normally better to split the disk up into a few >partitions, if you loose say, /usr - the system will still come up - and can >be quite manageable with a little forward planning ;-) > >Whereas if everything is on a '/' file system - and you loose it - you have a >lot of stuff to put back in 1 go, usually in a hurry I'd be amazing if someone thought a 8.4 GB Maxtor would solve their needs. Can you say "full seek?" One thing about leaving space for a future partition. If one drive should fail, you can create a filesystem on the free space to restore the backup to. When things slow down or downtime is scheduled, then you go for the real cleanup. >(Touch Wood) We have not run out of /var space at all - some would think >'wasted diskspace', others would say 'careful planning, and accounting of >costs vs. risk vs. space' :-) > >My boss thinks costs... I tend to think trouble when it breaks... My ex-boss disregarded my requests. Now the mail spool is filling up on a regular basis. Quite irritating. And it's been going on for 2 months now pending a change to, EEEK!, NT. Did I mention that my mail service will be changing. :O Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking mountin.man@mixcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 14:36:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01541 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:36:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.dragondata.com (toasty@shell.dragondata.com [204.137.237.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01532 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:36:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toasty@shell.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by shell.dragondata.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA06449; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:34:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from toasty) From: User Toasty Message-Id: <199801272234.QAA06449@shell.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980127161925.0070865c@198.137.186.100> from "Jeffrey J. Mountin" at "Jan 27, 98 04:19:25 pm" To: mountin.man@mixcom.com (Jeffrey J. Mountin) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:34:18 -0600 (CST) Cc: andrew@pubnix.net, lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I forget the defaults, but do recall that as packages were added to a > system, the wasted space having separate /var and /usr partitions was an > issue and forced me to start over fresh. :/ As a side note, linux now has growable partitions.... Kevin From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 15:25:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA10608 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:25:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10595 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:25:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from localhost (kpielorz@localhost) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA03728 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:25:05 GMT (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:25:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Karl Pielorz X-Sender: kpielorz@caladan To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Sendmail - setting 'verify only' Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can anyone tell me what I need to set / adjust (and recompile) in sendmail to stop sendmail from expanding all the VRFY names it's given? Also, if theres a way to disable EXPN or make it just return the name it was sent...? I've looked through the source, theres some mention of EEFFLAGS and other such things, but I'm a bit lost... Also - is doing this going to break a lot of things? Any help appreciated, Regards, Karl Pielorz From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 15:39:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13183 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:39:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13176 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:39:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA17437; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:35:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:35:39 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Karl Pielorz cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - setting 'verify only' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Karl Pielorz wrote: > Can anyone tell me what I need to set / adjust (and recompile) in sendmail > to stop sendmail from expanding all the VRFY names it's given? > > Also, if theres a way to disable EXPN or make it just return the name it > was sent...? Don't recompile, there are command-line options for this. sendmail_flags="-bd -q5m -opnoexpn" in your /etc/rc.conf or /etc/sysconfig as appropriate will disable expansion. we left VRFY on, but it returns unexpanded with this option in effect. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 16:02:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17749 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:02:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17732 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:02:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02904; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:33:33 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:33:33 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Muditha Gunatilake cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Fwd: error] In-Reply-To: <34CE2BC3.641D@seychelles.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Muditha Gunatilake wrote: > Can you please expalin what this error exactly means. What should I do > about it. Jan 27 18:42:05 breadfruit /kernel: uid 0 on /: file system full Jan 27 18:42:05 breadfruit /kernel: uid 0 on /: file system full Jan 27 18:42:06 breadfruit mail.local: temporary file write error Jan 27 18:42:06 breadfruit mail.local: temporary file write error The first message is that the / file system has filled up. The second tells you why. mail.local is the program which delivers mail to local users. It uses /tmp as a temporary store for the mail message. /tmp is usually located on /. If / has only 5 MB free, and someone is sent a 6 MB file, you get the messages above, every time the queue is processed. Solutions: 1. Build your freeBSD disk with a large, separate /tmp partition. 2. cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail/mail.local, edit pathnames.h to put the temp files in /var/tmp and rebuild mail.local Danny /* Daniel O'Callaghan */ /* HiLink Internet danny@hilink.com.au */ /* FreeBSD - works hard, plays hard... danny@freebsd.org */ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 16:22:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21976 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:22:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21908 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:22:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21507; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:52:03 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA15826; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:52:03 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980128105203.52257@lemis.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:52:03 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space References: <199801272034.MAA04209@george.arc.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801272034.MAA04209@george.arc.nasa.gov>; from lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov on Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 12:34:26PM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 12:34:26PM -0800, lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov wrote: >>>> At 07:18 PM 1/27/98 +0000, Damian Hamill wrote: >>>>> Mark Segal wrote: >>>>>> dennis wrote: >>>>>> will proably see the disk usage on /var is really high like 90%+ this is >>>>>> probably do to some user with 14 megs of email.. :) >>>>> >>>>> Yes consider moving your mail queue (/var/spool/mqueue) to your /usr >>>>> partition and symlinking to it. >>>> >>>> Unless disk IO and space is an issue, where a nth disk >>>> is mounted a /var, I symlink the entire /var to /usr/var >>>> when installing. No sense deciding how much to reserve for >>>> /var and /usr and more economical for single disk installs. > I know it is unfashionable right now to say this, and, each to his > own taste, but, /var was created for a reason. The reason hasn't > really gone away. I think it in multiple-user environments it is > good planning to decide how much to reserve in advance for, e.g., > the user mail input queues. As well as user home directories and > other similar requirements. We have quotas to limit bloat. They're much more flexible. You can plan all you want, but you can't read the future. The best thing that planning can do is to give you a good starting position. > In other words, while the original user needs help and probably > doesn't feel like re-partitioning the disk at this point, in > general, I recommend planning the /var partition in advance and > partitioning the disk accordingly. The FreeBSD sysinstall defaults > are reasonable for smallish disks, but most people have more memory > and bigger disks today, and would benefit from generally larger > partitions (including swap). But, the basic partitioning is very > reasonable; the default sizes for /, swap, and /var, should probably > be larger for larger disks. I recommend that the system disk should contain a 40 MB root file system, an appropriate amount of swap, and that the rest of the disk should be the /usr file system. Other disks should contain one file system and a swap partition if necessary. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 16:48:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26202 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:48:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uranus.planet-three.com (homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26183 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:48:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@poptart.org) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by uranus.planet-three.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA08460; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:47:47 GMT Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:47:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Scot Elliott To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" cc: Muditha Gunatilake , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Fwd: error] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Maybe I'm being incredibly simplistic here, but if you find that your /tmp is too small, then move it to a partition that does have room and make a symlink there. Similarly with /var/mquere or /var/mail. I've done this and it works fine. What am I missing? Are symlinks hugely slower or something? Yours Scot. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)1344 899401 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 17:34:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07054 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:34:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from guardian.fortress.org (fortress.org [199.202.137.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07007 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:34:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01794; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:34:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:34:19 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: "Ben Kirkpatrick, ELI" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CCD Dreams? Was (Re: Sendmail - low on space) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Ben Kirkpatrick, ELI wrote: > I haven't worked with CCD at all, but it sounds like the same ballpark. > Any idea how much code would have to be changed to get this kind of > functionality? > I really like the idea of having everything but the root be under a > rubberized partioning scheme. I wonder how much overhead is involved? To my understanding, CCD doesn't really offer that because you have to "Start-over" each time you add a disk to it. I'm using CCD on my news server, but I've never needed to add another disk yet. > --Ben Kirkpatrick (not getting any work done today) > > On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Andrew Webster wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Norman Hoy wrote: > > Of course what would be REALLY nice would be a virtual disk driver like > > AIX's JFS where you can just keep adding disks when you run out of space > > on the logical volume! > > > > Oh well, we can at least dream... > > > > > Hi all, > > > I must admit I am lazy, and working out how > > > much room to leave for /var and /tmp for some future time > > > is just all too hard. re-partitioning hdd's is also too hard. > > > Where as in comparision to my time several hdd's are cheap. > > > > > > So I put /var and /tmp on their own physical hdd. So if I run out > > > of space all I do is get a bigger hdd and replace the one that is too > > > small > > > > > Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net Key fingerprint = CF E8 16 B8 A6 DB E3 C9 83 E7 96 24 25 58 15 6E PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3 tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443 From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 17:44:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09093 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:44:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09077 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:43:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21643; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:08:28 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA16318; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:08:27 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980128120827.26052@lemis.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:08:27 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: andrew@pubnix.net Cc: "Ben Kirkpatrick, ELI" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CCD Dreams? Was (Re: Sendmail - low on space) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Webster on Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 08:34:19PM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 08:34:19PM -0500, Andrew Webster wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Ben Kirkpatrick, ELI wrote: >> On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Andrew Webster wrote: >>> On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Norman Hoy wrote: >>> Of course what would be REALLY nice would be a virtual disk driver like >>> AIX's JFS where you can just keep adding disks when you run out of space >>> on the logical volume! >>> >>> Oh well, we can at least dream... >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I must admit I am lazy, and working out how >>>> much room to leave for /var and /tmp for some future time >>>> is just all too hard. re-partitioning hdd's is also too hard. >>>> Where as in comparision to my time several hdd's are cheap. >>>> >>>> So I put /var and /tmp on their own physical hdd. So if I run out >>>> of space all I do is get a bigger hdd and replace the one that is too >>>> small > >> I haven't worked with CCD at all, but it sounds like the same ballpark. >> Any idea how much code would have to be changed to get this kind of >> functionality? >> I really like the idea of having everything but the root be under a >> rubberized partioning scheme. I wonder how much overhead is involved? > > To my understanding, CCD doesn't really offer that because you have to > "Start-over" each time you add a disk to it. I'm using CCD on my news > server, but I've never needed to add another disk yet. The real problem here is not CCD, but UFS. You can't expand a file system, so expanding its partition doesn't help. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 18:38:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18218 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:38:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell.dragondata.com (toasty@shell.dragondata.com [204.137.237.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18213 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:38:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toasty@shell.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by shell.dragondata.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id UAA11962; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:35:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from toasty) From: User Toasty Message-Id: <199801280235.UAA11962@shell.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-Reply-To: <19980128105203.52257@lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Jan 28, 98 10:52:03 am" To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:35:16 -0600 (CST) Cc: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > We have quotas to limit bloat. They're much more flexible. You can > plan all you want, but you can't read the future. The best thing that > planning can do is to give you a good starting position. > Currently, mail.local ignores user's quotas.... Kevin From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 18:58:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21681 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:58:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns2.cetlink.net (root@ns2.cetlink.net [209.54.54.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21625 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 18:57:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jak@cetlink.net) Received: from hot1.auctionfever.com (ts1-cltnc-16.cetlink.net [209.54.58.16]) by ns2.cetlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA17349; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:57:48 -0500 (EST) From: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) To: andrew@pubnix.net Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:58:26 GMT Message-ID: <34cfac75.10985109@mail.cetlink.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id SAA21654 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:24:55 -0500 (EST), Andrew Webster wrote: >I'll jump in on this one as I've been bitten by the small /var more than >I create my systems without a physical /var parition and symlink /var and >/tmp into /usr/var and /usr/tmp respectively, this eliminates all >problems, and you don't end up "wasting" lots of disk space for temporary >files. I do the same thing on every install. >Can we make this the default of sysinstall? I would like it too. I see little benefit in a partition dedicated to /var. John From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 19:33:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA27782 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:33:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA27776 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:33:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA12315; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:33:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:33:02 -0500 (EST) From: jack To: John Kelly cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-Reply-To: <34cfac75.10985109@mail.cetlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, John Kelly wrote: > On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:24:55 -0500 (EST), Andrew Webster > wrote: > > >I create my systems without a physical /var parition and symlink /var and > >/tmp into /usr/var and /usr/tmp respectively, this eliminates all > >problems, and you don't end up "wasting" lots of disk space for temporary > >files. > > I do the same thing on every install. > > >Can we make this the default of sysinstall? > > I would like it too. I wouldn't. > I see little benefit in a partition dedicated to /var. I do. I like the fact that the / partition, with the critical system files, is not written to each time a log entry is made, mail is received, accounting records the user's commands, etc. I like the fact that / can be mounted read only so clueless or malicious users can't touch it. I'd like to see /tmp made a link to /var/tmp by default. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 19:40:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA28965 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:40:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA28930 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:40:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21800; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:08:35 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA16875; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:08:35 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980128140835.25181@lemis.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:08:35 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: jack Cc: John Kelly , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space References: <34cfac75.10985109@mail.cetlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from jack on Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 10:33:02PM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 10:33:02PM -0500, jack wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, John Kelly wrote: > >> On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:24:55 -0500 (EST), Andrew Webster >> wrote: >> >>> I create my systems without a physical /var parition and symlink /var and >>> /tmp into /usr/var and /usr/tmp respectively, this eliminates all >>> problems, and you don't end up "wasting" lots of disk space for temporary >>> files. >> >> I do the same thing on every install. >> >>> Can we make this the default of sysinstall? >> >> I would like it too. > > I wouldn't. > >> I see little benefit in a partition dedicated to /var. > > I do. I like the fact that the / partition, with the critical system > files, is not written to each time a log entry is made, mail is received, > accounting records the user's commands, etc. I like the fact that / can > be mounted read only so clueless or malicious users can't touch it. I'd > like to see /tmp made a link to /var/tmp by default. I think you're missing the point. Nobody's advocating doing away with the /usr file system. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 20:24:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07876 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:24:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns2.cetlink.net (root@ns2.cetlink.net [209.54.54.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA07868 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:24:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jak@cetlink.net) Received: from hot1.auctionfever.com (ts1-cltnc-16.cetlink.net [209.54.58.16]) by ns2.cetlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA27430; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:24:13 -0500 (EST) From: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) To: Greg Lehey Cc: jack , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 05:24:42 GMT Message-ID: <34d5c0e1.16201776@mail.cetlink.net> References: <34cfac75.10985109@mail.cetlink.net> <19980128140835.25181@lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <19980128140835.25181@lemis.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id UAA07870 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:08:35 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >>> I see little benefit in a partition dedicated to /var. >> >> I do. I like the fact that the / partition, with the critical system >> files, is not written to each time a log entry is made, mail is received, >> accounting records the user's commands, etc. I like the fact that / can >> be mounted read only so clueless or malicious users can't touch it. I'd >> like to see /tmp made a link to /var/tmp by default. > >I think you're missing the point. Nobody's advocating doing away with >the /usr file system. Exactly, yes, thank you. ------- The day of the proprietary OS is over. Long live free software. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 21:06:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15876 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:06:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns2.cetlink.net (root@ns2.cetlink.net [209.54.54.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15858 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:06:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jak@cetlink.net) Received: from hot1.auctionfever.com (ts1-cltnc-16.cetlink.net [209.54.58.16]) by ns2.cetlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA27179; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:22:16 -0500 (EST) From: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) To: jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 05:22:44 GMT Message-ID: <34d4bf15.15742383@mail.cetlink.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id VAA15867 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:33:02 -0500 (EST), jack wrote: >On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, John Kelly wrote: > >> On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:24:55 -0500 (EST), Andrew Webster >> wrote: >> >> >I create my systems without a physical /var parition and symlink /var and >> >/tmp into /usr/var and /usr/tmp respectively, this eliminates all >> >problems, and you don't end up "wasting" lots of disk space for temporary >> >files. > >> I see little benefit in a partition dedicated to /var. > >I do. I like the fact that the / partition, with the critical system >files, is not written to each time a log entry is made Please read the message again. Root (/) will still have its own parition. The separate /var partition is the one we're suggesting to eliminate by consolidating it inside /usr. ------- The day of the proprietary OS is over. Long live free software. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 21:32:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21205 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:32:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from RWSystems.net (root@rwsystr.RWSystems.net [204.251.23.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA21196 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:32:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwyatt@rwsystr.RWSystems.net) Received: from rwsystr.RWSystems.net by RWSystems.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0xxPpk-0001KUC; Tue, 27 Jan 98 23:14 CST Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:14:41 -0600 (CST) From: James Wyatt To: Andrew Webster cc: Norman Hoy , lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Andrew Webster wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Norman Hoy wrote: > Of course what would be REALLY nice would be a virtual disk driver like > AIX's JFS where you can just keep adding disks when you run out of space > on the logical volume! > > Oh well, we can at least dream... [ much else deleted, cause I use a tty, not a window... 8{) ] I *love* this feature more than I can tell. Your OS installs with the needed partition sizes, leaving the rest of the disk 'uncommitted'. The install process expands them by the amount they need for each package. When you get paged on a low disk space alarm, you can just sprinkle some more space on whichever filesystem is low. It adjusts the mirroring and striping drives' partitions too! If you do not realize what you are doing, it can easily lead to hopelessly fregmented drives, so don't grow by small amounts. You can grow them while users are going at things full blast, but the new mirror can take a few minutes to catch-up. You can only grow, not shrink. It is *very* easy to get used to this power tool! I use several of different unicies, but AIX is the only one I've used with this. Doesn't someone else like HPUX or OSF/1 have something like this? Another nice feature is SSA (Serial SCSI Array?) drives allow multiple machines to access the same sets of drives to improve process-takeover in fail-over systems. If a box goes, it's sibling grabs it's drives, ARPs for it, and starts whatever processes it needs. Users see a few seconds of pause and then it just works again - while you fix the hardware in peace! We have lost systems and not realized it for hours. A take-over scheme like this could work on FreeBSD if you could have two machines share a SCSI-UW bus with some drives. Target-mode SCSI sould allow the machines to exchange info on who had what drives. Any takers? (^_^) Of course, when we tried to use DCE to make some nice client-server systems, we found the software didn't scale as well as the hardware... Oh well, at least DCE had decent RPCs and DNS still works! James Wyatt (jwyatt@rwsystems.net jwyatt@rwsys.lonestar.org) KA5VJL From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 21:50:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24906 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:50:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24751 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:50:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA12992; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:50:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:50:16 -0500 (EST) From: jack To: Greg Lehey cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-Reply-To: <19980128140835.25181@lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > I think you're missing the point. Nobody's advocating doing away with > the /usr file system. I realize that. I just see no sense in doing the amount of writing that is normally done to /var done on the same slice that houses system files. Has it been forgotten that var is short for variable? For files that are constantly being changed? /usr is the user's playground, for their working files. Loose /var and it's not too traumatic. Loose /usr and you've got a problem. Loose / and you've got nothing to work with. With an intact / slice you can boot single user and rebuild the rest. A read only / is a nice added security measure, not foolproof but every little bit helps. :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 21:56:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26087 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:56:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (0@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA26041 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:55:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from batie@agora.rdrop.com) Received: (from batie@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA13283; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:55:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980127215536.50603@agora.rdrop.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:55:36 -0800 From: Alan Batie To: John Kelly Cc: andrew@pubnix.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space References: <34cfac75.10985109@mail.cetlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=Gajj2nflutpKpyE8 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <34cfac75.10985109@mail.cetlink.net>; from John Kelly on Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 03:58:26AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --Gajj2nflutpKpyE8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 03:58:26AM +0000, John Kelly wrote: > I would like it too. I see little benefit in a partition dedicated to > /var. It makes a lot more sense that having one dedicated to /usr... -- Alan Batie ______ www.rdrop.com/users/batie Me batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ www.anti-spam.net NO SPAM! --Gajj2nflutpKpyE8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNM7IV4v4wNua7QglAQFdLQP+NoevPD+B5xSZ4Mb0EWGF/t/TvBi/t2uX 3wNX1AR/iS/qOXXEHbJjTQIItXCgz1qAFntg1MFIf52fe/z+cz5U6RBY2vpAqrQG FWj/iZBZAD83KEcz/5801moX3CLKkFS5K2QZ0jlJe9/9JqrTdq7cPP8UDfycIypf bTZTRWyeass= =W0n9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Gajj2nflutpKpyE8-- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 22:15:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29848 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:15:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29826 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:15:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA01700; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:14:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801280614.WAA01700@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: andrew@pubnix.net cc: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 27 Jan 98 16:24:55 -0500. Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:14:51 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I create my systems without a physical /var parition and symlink /var and >/tmp into /usr/var and /usr/tmp respectively, this eliminates all >problems, and you don't end up "wasting" lots of disk space for temporary >files. It doesn't eliminate "all" problems. Specifically, it doesn't eliminate the problem separate /var is meant to solve, and that is having someone fill up /usr and bring your entire machine to its knees just by sending you lots of big email messages. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon mvanloon@exmsft.com michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 22:23:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01303 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:23:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (0@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01277 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:23:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from batie@agora.rdrop.com) Received: (from batie@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA15348; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:23:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980127222309.17450@agora.rdrop.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:23:09 -0800 From: Alan Batie To: John Kelly Cc: jack@germanium.xtalwind.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space References: <34d4bf15.15742383@mail.cetlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=ebEcofwtwHh0aNzo X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <34d4bf15.15742383@mail.cetlink.net>; from John Kelly on Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 05:22:44AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ebEcofwtwHh0aNzo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 05:22:44AM +0000, John Kelly wrote: > >> I see little benefit in a partition dedicated to /var. > > > >I do. I like the fact that the / partition, with the critical system > >files, is not written to each time a log entry is made > > Please read the message again. Root (/) will still have its own > parition. The separate /var partition is the one we're suggesting to > eliminate by consolidating it inside /usr. The same applies to /usr; if you want to combine filesystems, combine / and /usr; /var is highly dynamic, whereas without too much trouble / and /usr could be made R/O, which would greatly simplify upgrades. -- Alan Batie ______ www.rdrop.com/users/batie Me batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ www.anti-spam.net NO SPAM! --ebEcofwtwHh0aNzo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNM7OzYv4wNua7QglAQGO1QP/fiwQkWPuWM24JMRDKS459+H+kgZjOSKV rxw0t2TuuJDxeHGVjiRlJZg7ST0J8ZtL/uOsdy2f1ojvzgxy+hZaD6SLwKANE1Fo Et+u968GN0ETP5mUMYWmj5E7u3Xk8/0/MF5Yqf+4fygDRnukrhp4wrLFX5AjryH/ DIpcNrBAwX4= =GciF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ebEcofwtwHh0aNzo-- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 22:28:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01993 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:28:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.mel.aone.net.au (mail.mel.aone.net.au [203.12.176.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01940 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:28:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from normh@aone.com.au) Received: from pc-normh.office.adl.aone.com.au (pc-normh.adl.aone.com.au [203.12.181.67]) by mail.mel.aone.net.au (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23890; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:27:44 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199801280627.RAA23890@mail.mel.aone.net.au> From: "Norman Hoy" To: "John Kelly" , Cc: Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:57:11 +1030 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes but the problem that I have with putting any highly variable file system on a partition is the inability of UFS to expand. Once the system out grows your "allowance" you must then rebuild your hdd. but if you have /var as a separate hdd (even an old 520M/b) when it is getting full you just mount and build another /var under say /mnt then shutdown remove old hdd put new hdd in its place (say 1G/b) and away you go again. All of this depends on you putting /var on its own hdd in the first place otherwise you have to edit the /etc/fstab file to put /temp on say sd3s1 instead of sd0s3. making life very easy to grow your variable file systems. and that was where this thread started once a FS is full how can you grow it painlessly and quickly. answer when you first install keep the /var on its own hdd my opinion only. regards Norman ---------- > From: John Kelly > To: jack@germanium.xtalwind.net > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space > Date: Wednesday, 28 January 1998 15:52 > > On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:33:02 -0500 (EST), jack > wrote: > > >On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, John Kelly wrote: > > > >> On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:24:55 -0500 (EST), Andrew Webster > >> wrote: > >> > >> >I create my systems without a physical /var parition and symlink /var and > >> >/tmp into /usr/var and /usr/tmp respectively, this eliminates all > >> >problems, and you don't end up "wasting" lots of disk space for temporary > >> >files. > > > >> I see little benefit in a partition dedicated to /var. > > > >I do. I like the fact that the / partition, with the critical system > >files, is not written to each time a log entry is made > > Please read the message again. Root (/) will still have its own > parition. The separate /var partition is the one we're suggesting to > eliminate by consolidating it inside /usr. > > ------- > The day of the proprietary OS is over. Long live free software. > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 27 22:46:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA05209 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:46:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA05154 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:46:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00498; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:45:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199801280645.BAA00498@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-Reply-To: <199801280627.RAA23890@mail.mel.aone.net.au> from Norman Hoy at "Jan 28, 98 04:57:11 pm" To: normh@aone.com.au (Norman Hoy) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:45:42 -0500 (EST) Cc: jak@cetlink.net, jack@germanium.xtalwind.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Norman Hoy said: > > Yes but the problem that I have with putting any highly > variable file system on a partition is the inability > of UFS to expand. Once the system out grows > your "allowance" you must then rebuild your hdd. > I don't think that it would be extremely difficult to expand an unmounted FFS filesystem. Could be wrong though, and there may be some limitations. -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@freebsd.org | it just makes you look stupid, jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 01:40:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27178 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:40:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA27145 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 01:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from damian@axe.cablenet.net) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA01683; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:36:23 GMT Message-ID: <34CEFC16.33590565@cablenet.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:36:22 +0000 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space References: <199801272034.MAA04209@george.arc.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Text: stage1: times: phone 0.86 ms, websites 80.684 ms, emailaddr 61.171 ms, keyword 782.413 ms, domains 0.61 ms, X-Spam-Text: stage1: times: html 46.077 ms, X-Spam-Text: Stage Checktimes: stage1 930.035 ms, stage2 109.634 ms, stage3 0.025 ms, Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov wrote: > > |>> At 07:18 PM 1/27/98 +0000, Damian Hamill wrote: > |>> >Mark Segal wrote: > |>> >> dennis wrote: > |>> >> will proably see the disk usage on /var is really high like 90%+ this is > |>> >> probably do to some user with 14 megs of email.. :) > |>> > > |>> >Yes consider moving your mail queue (/var/spool/mqueue) to your /usr > |>> >partition and symlinking to it. > |>> > |>> Unless disk IO and space is an issue, where a nth disk > |>> is mounted a /var, I symlink the entire /var to /usr/var > |>> when installing. No sense deciding how much to reserve for > |>> /var and /usr and more economical for single disk installs. > > I know it is unfashionable right now to say this, and, > each to his own taste, but, /var was created for a reason. > The reason hasn't really gone away. I think it in > multiple-user environments it is good planning > to decide how much to reserve in advance for, e.g., > the user mail input queues. As well as user home > directories and other similar requirements. > > In other words, while the original user needs help and probably > doesn't feel like re-partitioning the disk at this point, > in general, I recommend planning the /var partition in advance > and partitioning the disk accordingly. The FreeBSD sysinstall > defaults are reasonable for smallish disks, but most people > have more memory and bigger disks today, and would benefit from > generally larger partitions (including swap). But, the basic > partitioning is very reasonable; the default sizes for /, swap, > and /var, should probably be larger for larger disks. The problem is that you can't plan for a user receiving a 28MB email, or maybe 10 users getting a 28MB email!! Having the mail spool on the /var partition was probably OK in the days of small text only emails but attachments make it impossible to plan any kind of mail queue disk usage. The safest thing is to put it on a partition with the largest amount of free disk space. regards damian -- * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net * CableNet & The Landscape Channel * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 02:08:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01086 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:08:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA01012 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:08:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from damian@axe.cablenet.net) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA01922; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:04:31 GMT Message-ID: <34CF02AF.773C2448@cablenet.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:04:31 +0000 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karl Pielorz CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - setting 'verify only' References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Text: stage1: times: phone 0.433 ms, websites 58.475 ms, emailaddr 0.369 ms, keyword 359.53 ms, domains 0.206 ms, X-Spam-Text: stage1: times: html 4.9 ms, X-Spam-Text: Stage Checktimes: stage1 422.482 ms, stage2 23.054 ms, stage3 0.023 ms, Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Karl Pielorz wrote: > > Can anyone tell me what I need to set / adjust (and recompile) in sendmail > to stop sendmail from expanding all the VRFY names it's given? > > Also, if theres a way to disable EXPN or make it just return the name it > was sent...? > > I've looked through the source, theres some mention of EEFFLAGS and other > such things, but I'm a bit lost... > > Also - is doing this going to break a lot of things? > > Any help appreciated, > > Regards, > > Karl Pielorz pages 528-530 of the BAT book. regards damian -- * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net * CableNet & The Landscape Channel * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 03:59:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA16490 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:59:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA16471 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:59:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id MAA19793 for isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:45:08 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA21482; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:08:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980128100812.03783@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:08:12 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: apache-ssl, how to generate an unlimited certificate with SSL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The lifetime of a certificate, that I created myself seems to be very low (about 1-2 months). How can I create a certificate, that keeps my apache secure server happy forever ? ;-) -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 04:08:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18982 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:08:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oncomdis.on.ca (pstewart@oncomdis.on.ca [204.101.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18977 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 04:08:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pstewart@oncomdis.on.ca) Received: from localhost (pstewart@localhost) by oncomdis.on.ca (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA05136; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:00:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:00:07 -0500 (EST) From: pstewart To: Andreas Klemm cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: apache-ssl, how to generate an unlimited certificate with SSL In-Reply-To: <19980128100812.03783@klemm.gtn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The default setting is in your ssleay.cnf file... you can change the default in there to 365 days if you like.. possibly more..:) Paul -- Out the modem, through the SPARC, down the T3, off the router, past the frame-relay... nothing but Net. On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Andreas Klemm wrote: > The lifetime of a certificate, that I created myself seems to be very > low (about 1-2 months). How can I create a certificate, that keeps > my apache secure server happy forever ? ;-) > > -- > Andreas Klemm > powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 05:15:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA27675 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 05:15:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from guardian.fortress.org (fortress.org [199.202.137.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA27670 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 05:15:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA24747; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:14:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:14:13 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-Reply-To: <199801280614.WAA01700@MindBender.serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > > >I create my systems without a physical /var parition and symlink /var and > >/tmp into /usr/var and /usr/tmp respectively, this eliminates all > >problems, and you don't end up "wasting" lots of disk space for temporary > >files. > > It doesn't eliminate "all" problems. Specifically, it doesn't > eliminate the problem separate /var is meant to solve, and that is > having someone fill up /usr and bring your entire machine to its knees > just by sending you lots of big email messages. Michael, I fail to see the difference. Whether /usr OR /var fills up, the machine will be brought to its knees. Until FreeBSD has something like AIX's extenisble file system, the /var partition, while it's concept noble, is rather useless since it can't be grown as needed. The bottom line is no matter how well you plan in adanvce, you MAY end up with /var overflow if you are hosting many mail boxes, UUCP feeds, and so forth. Regards, Andrew Webster andrew@pubnix.net Key fingerprint = CF E8 16 B8 A6 DB E3 C9 83 E7 96 24 25 58 15 6E PubNIX Montreal Connected to the world Branche au monde P.O. Box 147 Cote Saint Luc, Quebec H4V 2Y3 tel 514.990.5911 http://www.pubnix.net fax 514.990.9443 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 06:13:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA05369 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:13:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (root@gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com [207.113.159.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA05363 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:13:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (root@sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.191]) by gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA17817; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:12:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.194]) by sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA12843; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:12:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA06432; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:12:52 -0800 (PST) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199801281412.GAA06432@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:12:52 -0800 In-Reply-To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" "Re: Sendmail - low on space" (Jan 27, 4:19pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" , andrew@pubnix.net, lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Jan 27, 4:19pm, "Jeffrey J. Mountin" wrote: } Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space } I forget the defaults, but do recall that as packages were added to a } system, the wasted space having separate /var and /usr partitions was an } issue and forced me to start over fresh. :/ This is still a problem if you make a combined usr+var partition too small. When you add all those packages, you'll end up without enough space for /var. I generally figure out how much space to dedicate to /usr upfront (better planning tools would be helpful) and make a guess based on experience for /var. If /var turns out to be too small, it's pretty painless to move it to a bigger partition or disk since I don't have to touch the stuff in /usr. Doing admin work is a lot more pleasant if /usr is online. For safety reasons, I like to mount publically writable partitions with the nosuid/noexec and nodev options. This isn't possible if you combine /usr and /var. /dev/sd0s1g /usr ufs rw,nodev 1 1 /dev/sd0s1e /var ufs rw,noexec,nodev 1 1 In some environments, it may even be possible to mount /usr read-only for additional protection. With separate partitions, reboots will often be faster because fsck won't need to touch /usr, which has lots of files. It will only need to check the more active /var partition which usually has a much smaller number of files. If you have more than one machine, using separate partitions gives you the option of sharing /usr over NFS. The stuff in /var isn't shareable. If you want to combine partitions, I'd recommend combining / and /usr, since they are both relatively static, and they are the only partitions which normally can't be mounted nosuid. The only downside is that it makes growing /usr less convenient. --- Truck From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 06:34:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07823 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:34:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skyserv.med.osd.mil (skyserv.med.osd.mil [199.209.8.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA07734 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 06:34:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rpotts@med.osd.mil) Received: from (ae1970.med.osd.mil [161.14.168.22]) by skyserv.med.osd.mil (8.6.8.1/SCA-6.6) with SMTP id JAA03468; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:33:52 -0500 From: "Ross Potts" Message-Id: <9801280933.ZM7015@unknown.zmail.host> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:33:51 -0500 In-Reply-To: James Wyatt "Re: Sendmail - low on space" (Jan 27, 11:14pm) References: X-Mailer: ZM-Win (3.2.1 11Sep94) To: James Wyatt Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org HP-UX had LVM (Logical Volume Management) starting with 9.0x I think. I set some HP/9000s up at the Pentagon a few years ago. The nature of our product was such that we needed to create a huge LV for raw space on an Oracle DB. After HP-UX 10.0x, I heard that they were able to get rid of the LVM size limitations. Unfortunately, the 9000 class computers were over 50 Grand, very inaccessible for a hobbyist. But the workstations (900 class?) were a little better in price. I think they were around 10-15Gs, same OS versions. Nowadays, you can probably get them a lot cheaper with the higher OS versions and really make some space. -- UNIX Rules!!! Ross Potts Internet : Ross.Potts@med.osd.mil EDS-D/SIDDOMS Phone : (703) 824-7601 Skyline Two, Suite 1200 Beeper : 5203 Leesburg Pike, Falls Church, VA 22041 From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 08:23:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA21622 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:23:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from RWSystems.net (root@rwsystr.RWSystems.net [204.251.23.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA21589 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:23:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwyatt@rwsystr.RWSystems.net) Received: from rwsystr.RWSystems.net by RWSystems.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0xxZzf-0001KjC; Wed, 28 Jan 98 10:05 CST Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:05:35 -0600 (CST) From: James Wyatt To: Damian Hamill cc: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-Reply-To: <34CEFC16.33590565@cablenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Damian Hamill wrote: > The problem is that you can't plan for a user receiving a 28MB email, or > maybe 10 users getting a 28MB email!! > > Having the mail spool on the /var partition was probably OK in the days > of small text only emails but attachments make it impossible to plan any > kind of mail queue disk usage. The safest thing is to put it on a > partition with the largest amount of free disk space. Yes, it should be on a big filesystem, often its own filesystem. Disks are cheaper than help desk calls. I remember the first time I got a NeXT box for a uucp peer and saw this 700KB lump betwixt all the 1KB ones. 08{) This is why I usually add a /var and /usr on servers or shared machines, but I don't add them on client nodes. I just answer 'OK' to the warning about no /var or /usr. (IMHO client nodes can use IMAP anyway... ) I don't mind the warnings, but would hate to be locked-out of using it. btw: One of our customers uses a 500MB /var/spool/mail filesystem. We had user send a 44MB MIME message that that filled a disk at another company. That sendmail sent us bounce messages saying 'disk full, burp' and sending 26MB of it back to us ... and their postmaster ... every 30 min! We ran short on space on the MX box when the Lotus Message Snitch(tm) downstream choked on the quantity. Nothing went down but webmaster and postmaster mail. James Wyatt (jwyatt@rwsystems.net, jim@rwsys.lonestar.org) KA5VJL ObDeepThought: Do optimists lock their cars? From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 08:37:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23887 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:37:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23882 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:37:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff@mercury.jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA05234; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:32:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:32:57 -0600 (CST) From: Jeff Lynch Reply-To: Jeff Lynch To: jack cc: Greg Lehey , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, jack wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > I think you're missing the point. Nobody's advocating doing away with > > the /usr file system. > > I realize that. I just see no sense in doing the amount of writing that > is normally done to /var done on the same slice that houses system files. > Has it been forgotten that var is short for variable? For files that are > constantly being changed? /usr is the user's playground, for their > working files. Loose /var and it's not too traumatic. Loose /usr and > you've got a problem. Loose / and you've got nothing to work with. With > an intact / slice you can boot single user and rebuild the rest. > > A read only / is a nice added security measure, not foolproof but every > little bit helps. :) Exactly. Wisdom of the ages...way back in the days when heads blew a couple times a year. Eventhough disk technology is more reliable these days, I still fully believe in keeping /, /usr, and /var as separate file systems. It's much faster and easier to rebuild separate filesystems anyway and it's easier to plan your backups. I even separate /home, and a second local filesystem that keeps all my custom stuff there because I usually d/l tarballs from the source and build for FBSD myself rather than rely on packages/ports although I do make use of them when appropriate. This makes it easier at OS upgrade time. On minis I even made /tmp it's own partition to keep temp files from killing mail, logs, and other in-house tools...and vice versa. The FBSD label editor makes it simple to partition disks at install time or when you decide to take the hit and repartition. It's always a pain to resize later but it's better to start out playing it safe. Separate partitions are your friend. Disks are cheap, throw in a few more spindles and waste a little space. Get a performance increase on SCSI or multiple IDE controllers too! The FBSD team knows this, I don't expect to seeing the default changed. This is really small stuff to worry about. ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 08:52:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25996 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:52:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA25989 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:52:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff@mercury.jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA06288; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:52:19 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:52:18 -0600 (CST) From: Jeff Lynch To: James Wyatt cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, James Wyatt wrote: > btw: One of our customers uses a 500MB /var/spool/mail filesystem. We had > user send a 44MB MIME message that that filled a disk at another company. > That sendmail sent us bounce messages saying 'disk full, burp' and sending > 26MB of it back to us ... and their postmaster ... every 30 min! We ran > short on space on the MX box when the Lotus Message Snitch(tm) downstream > choked on the quantity. Nothing went down but webmaster and postmaster > mail. In your .mc file: define(`confMAX_MESSAGE_SIZE', `10000000')dnl For 10MB limit. No one complains about this and it prevents most of the problems. ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 08:57:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA26535 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:57:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parsons.rh.rit.edu (root@d117-h041.rh.rit.edu [129.21.117.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA26528 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:57:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mfisher@harborcom.net) Received: from mfisher by parsons.rh.rit.edu with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xxano-0001Q3-00; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:57:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:57:27 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Fisher X-Sender: mfisher@d117-h041.rh.rit.edu To: Damian Hamill cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-Reply-To: <34CEFC16.33590565@cablenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Damian Hamill wrote: > The problem is that you can't plan for a user receiving a 28MB email, or > maybe 10 users getting a 28MB email!! > > Having the mail spool on the /var partition was probably OK in the days > of small text only emails but attachments make it impossible to plan any > kind of mail queue disk usage. The safest thing is to put it on a > partition with the largest amount of free disk space. The problem is that you can plan for this. The game is implementing quotas in the areas that the users can touch and using software that heeds these quotas. -- Mike "I swear - by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." --Ayn Rand, _Atlas Shrugged_ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 09:52:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10749 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:52:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from RWSystems.net (root@rwsystr.RWSystems.net [204.251.23.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10741 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:52:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwyatt@rwsystr.RWSystems.net) Received: from rwsystr.RWSystems.net by RWSystems.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0xxbMi-0001KbC; Wed, 28 Jan 98 11:33 CST Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:33:29 -0600 (CST) From: James Wyatt To: Jeff Lynch cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Jeff Lynch wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, James Wyatt wrote: > > btw: One of our customers uses a 500MB /var/spool/mail filesystem. We had > > user send a 44MB MIME message that that filled a disk at another company. > > That sendmail sent us bounce messages saying 'disk full, burp' and sending [ .. deleted ... ] > In your .mc file: > define(`confMAX_MESSAGE_SIZE', `10000000')dnl > > For 10MB limit. No one complains about this and it prevents most of > the problems. For some, yes, but I have too many business users using Notes(tm) mail (for the moment, he he) and sending spreadsheets and documents to other companies in the 20MB range. I have aprox. 9000 OS/2 and NT workstations and only one MX server, they win by vote count. 8{) Since we like ESMTP, I have considered limiting messages to 50MB. The problem was when we got a *lot* of big messages. It is more of an annoying feature than a bug. Like wanting to use a fire hose to fill a bathtub. Works great if you don't leave it on long! James (jwyatt@rwsystems.net, jim@rwsys.lonestar.org) KA5VJL We do unix, NT, MVS, OS/2 and soon... VMS! No longer do CP/M, MP/M, Guardian From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 10:30:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17494 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:30:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17453 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:30:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff@mercury.jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA10483; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:29:54 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:29:54 -0600 (CST) From: Jeff Lynch To: James Wyatt cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, James Wyatt wrote: > For some, yes, but I have too many business users using Notes(tm) mail > (for the moment, he he) and sending spreadsheets and documents to other > companies in the 20MB range. I have aprox. 9000 OS/2 and NT workstations > and only one MX server, they win by vote count. 8{) Since we like ESMTP, I > have considered limiting messages to 50MB. The problem was when we got a Yikes. I would set it at 20MB or 30MB and explain why it is necessary. If they have an occaisonal need you can always jack it up temporarily. It you leave it unlimited, you'll probably be sorry. You might even talk them into using ftp. ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 10:46:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24409 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:46:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24337 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:46:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id SAA07493 for isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:30:22 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA12650; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:21:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980128182110.02328@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:21:10 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Need Unix/FreeBSD based accounting/billing software with Radius server and sql database Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi ! My collegue wanted me to use a NT based software, since he didn't find another one... But I don't want to do that and am now urgently looking for something Unix based. Please, is there another software available for Sun or FreeBSD, which has a radius server with connectivity to a sql database. We want to offer internet services and need a very flexible software, that keeps track of logins and does billing and the possibility to make sure, that an internet account is used only by one person at a time. Thanks a lot Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 10:56:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA26713 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:56:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26698 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:56:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id SAA07464; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:30:14 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA12364; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:14:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980128181453.63570@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:14:53 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: pstewart Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: apache-ssl, how to generate an unlimited certificate with SSL References: <19980128100812.03783@klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: ; from pstewart on Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 07:00:07AM -0500 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 07:00:07AM -0500, pstewart wrote: > The default setting is in your ssleay.cnf file... you can change the > default in there to 365 days if you like.. possibly more..:) Thanks ! BTW, there are two values default_days = 365 # how long to certify for default_crl_days= 31 # how long before next CRL What's a CRL, is that the value that I have to increase ? Possibly I created the certificate wrong ?! The first value already is 365 days, but so long the certificate wasn't active. I used the command and options given in the apache-ssl Makefile of the src directory.... Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 10:58:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA26951 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:58:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uranus.planet-three.com (homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26942 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:58:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@poptart.org) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by uranus.planet-three.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA11231 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:58:06 GMT Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:58:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Scot Elliott To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Jeff Lynch wrote: > Yikes. I would set it at 20MB or 30MB and explain why it is necessary. If > they have an occaisonal need you can always jack it up temporarily. > It you leave it unlimited, you'll probably be sorry. > > You might even talk them into using ftp. I totally agree with this. EMail was just not designed for rediculously large transfers like this. It's inefficient because there's no restart facility (I dont think...) in case a connection gets broken, like there is with FTP and HTTP. Definately talk your users into using FTP or something similar. Maybe get them to embed a URL in their document so that the likes of Netscape mail users can just click to open an attachment. Scot ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)1344 899401 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 15:12:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14780 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:12:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wicked.eaznet.com (wicked.eaznet.com [209.75.156.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14739 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:12:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eddie@wicked.eaznet.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by wicked.eaznet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA07106; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:14:12 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <19980128161412.27904@wicked.eaznet.com.> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:14:12 -0700 From: Charlie & To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: chroot Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.74e Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a customer who is somewhat objectionable to some of my other customers. How do I use chroot to automatically set a users root directory to his home directory everytime they telnet in? Do I create a file (ie:ush) that executes the chroot command then the shell program (ie: /bin/sh) then change all of my users to use the new shell (ush)? Is there a better way? Thanks in advance, Eddie From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 15:47:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18276 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:47:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from netdev.comsys.com (netdev.comsys.com [192.94.236.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18267 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:47:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@comsys.com) From: alex@comsys.com Received: from alexhupp.comsys.com (173-222-23.ipt.aol.com [152.173.222.23]) by netdev.comsys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA26136; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:46:13 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34CFC336.7A5@comsys.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:45:58 -0800 Reply-To: alex@comsys.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charlie & CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: chroot References: <19980128161412.27904@wicked.eaznet.com.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Put him in /etc/chroot, create a ~usr/bin/date ~usr/bin/ls, ls and date should have the same perms as the ~ftp/bin versions. Else recompile ftpd with internal support for ls and date. Alex Charlie & wrote: > > I have a customer who is somewhat objectionable to some of my other > customers. How do I use chroot to automatically set a users root directory to > his home directory everytime they telnet in? Do I create a file (ie:ush) that > executes the chroot command then the shell program (ie: /bin/sh) then change > all of my users to use the new shell (ush)? Is there a better way? > > Thanks in advance, > > Eddie From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 17:40:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13328 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:40:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA13278 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:40:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mountin.man@mixcom.com) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id TAA03215; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:41:41 -0600 Received: from dial193-15.mixcom.com(207.250.193.15) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma003196; Wed Jan 28 19:41:15 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980128193555.0071bd70@198.137.186.100> X-Sender: mmttnn@198.137.186.100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:35:55 -0600 To: "John S. Dyson" From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199801280645.BAA00498@dyson.iquest.net> References: <199801280627.RAA23890@mail.mel.aone.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:45 AM 1/28/98 -0500, John S. Dyson wrote: >Norman Hoy said: >> >> Yes but the problem that I have with putting any highly >> variable file system on a partition is the inability >> of UFS to expand. Once the system out grows >> your "allowance" you must then rebuild your hdd. >> >I don't think that it would be extremely difficult to >expand an unmounted FFS filesystem. Could be wrong though, >and there may be some limitations. Touchy thing. Not sure I would like to edit the disklabel to expand, but it could be done (tried for fun once). Just not sure if inodes would then become a problem, so wouldn't advise this for a production server. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking mountin.man@mixcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 17:45:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14511 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:45:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA14505 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:45:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mountin.man@mixcom.com) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id TAA04007; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:46:54 -0600 Received: from dial193-15.mixcom.com(207.250.193.15) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma003929; Wed Jan 28 19:46:44 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980128194124.0071bd70@198.137.186.100> X-Sender: mmttnn@198.137.186.100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:41:24 -0600 To: "Norman Hoy" From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space Cc: In-Reply-To: <199801280627.RAA23890@mail.mel.aone.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:57 PM 1/28/98 +1030, Norman Hoy wrote: >Yes but the problem that I have with putting any highly >variable file system on a partition is the inability >of UFS to expand. Once the system out grows >your "allowance" you must then rebuild your hdd. > >but if you have /var as a separate hdd (even an old 520M/b) >when it is getting full you just mount and build another >/var under say /mnt then shutdown remove old hdd >put new hdd in its place (say 1G/b) and away you go >again. All of this depends on you putting /var on its own >hdd in the first place otherwise you have to edit >the /etc/fstab file to put /temp on say sd3s1 instead >of sd0s3. And if you are filling gaps between SCSI ID's, you have to edit fstab anyways. Unless you want to add the new drive, partition and label, copy the files, pull the old drive, change the ID of the new drive. Certainly a lot of things to plan for. >making life very easy to grow your variable file systems. > >and that was where this thread started once a FS is full >how can you grow it painlessly and quickly. If we are talking GB's, not to mention the circus senario above, then quickly is a relative term. ;) Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking mountin.man@mixcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 17:48:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15486 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:48:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA15449 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:48:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mountin.man@mixcom.com) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id TAA02779; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:37:41 -0600 Received: from dial193-15.mixcom.com(207.250.193.15) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma002765; Wed Jan 28 19:37:39 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980128193219.0071ada0@198.137.186.100> X-Sender: mmttnn@198.137.186.100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:32:19 -0600 To: Don Lewis From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199801281412.GAA06432@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> References: <"Jeffrey J. Mountin" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:12 AM 1/28/98 -0800, Don Lewis wrote: >On Jan 27, 4:19pm, "Jeffrey J. Mountin" wrote: >} Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space > >} I forget the defaults, but do recall that as packages were added to a >} system, the wasted space having separate /var and /usr partitions was an >} issue and forced me to start over fresh. :/ > >This is still a problem if you make a combined usr+var partition too >small. When you add all those packages, you'll end up without enough >space for /var. I was refering to my personal server, so it didn't matter much. As you and others agree, it's all whole different game with a production server. >I generally figure out how much space to dedicate to /usr upfront >(better planning tools would be helpful) and make a guess based on >experience for /var. If /var turns out to be too small, it's pretty >painless to move it to a bigger partition or disk since I don't have >to touch the stuff in /usr. Doing admin work is a lot more pleasant >if /usr is online. Hah! Todays plans don't mean much for unexpected growth. >For safety reasons, I like to mount publically writable partitions with >the nosuid/noexec and nodev options. This isn't possible if you combine >/usr and /var. >/dev/sd0s1g /usr ufs rw,nodev 1 1 >/dev/sd0s1e /var ufs rw,noexec,nodev 1 1 >In some environments, it may even be possible to mount /usr read-only for >additional protection. Damn good point. >With separate partitions, reboots will often be faster because fsck won't >need to touch /usr, which has lots of files. It will only need to check >the more active /var partition which usually has a much smaller number of >files. True, but fsck will check all disks for an unclean shutdown. One thing FBSD doesn't do daily is a fsck of all filesystems, which is a good idea, so checking more or less doesn't matter, IMHO. >If you have more than one machine, using separate partitions gives you >the option of sharing /usr over NFS. The stuff in /var isn't shareable. Not sure why you want to do this. >If you want to combine partitions, I'd recommend combining / and /usr, since >they are both relatively static, and they are the only partitions which >normally can't be mounted nosuid. The only downside is that it makes >growing /usr less convenient. Thowing all the suggestion away, everyone has been giving their options and suggestions, and it boils down to expandability. Since I combine /var and /usr, only to later use additional disks for 2-6 mount points, it doesn't matter much how I start. YMMV. What about with hardware based RAID w/FBSD? Can you add more drives to expand a filesystems capacity? Or would this take a software based RAID. Certainly would make life easier, more reliable, and easy the worry of lost data. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking mountin.man@mixcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 17:56:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA17591 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:56:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA17523 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:55:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mountin.man@mixcom.com) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id TAA05439; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:57:39 -0600 Received: from dial193-15.mixcom.com(207.250.193.15) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma005428; Wed Jan 28 19:57:21 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980128195201.0071d610@198.137.186.100> X-Sender: mmttnn@198.137.186.100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:52:01 -0600 To: James Wyatt From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:14 PM 1/27/98 -0600, James Wyatt wrote: >On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Andrew Webster wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Norman Hoy wrote: >> Of course what would be REALLY nice would be a virtual disk driver like >> AIX's JFS where you can just keep adding disks when you run out of space >> on the logical volume! >> >> Oh well, we can at least dream... > > [ much else deleted, cause I use a tty, not a window... 8{) ] ;) >I *love* this feature more than I can tell. Your OS installs with the >needed partition sizes, leaving the rest of the disk 'uncommitted'. The >install process expands them by the amount they need for each package. >When you get paged on a low disk space alarm, you can just sprinkle some >more space on whichever filesystem is low. It adjusts the mirroring and >striping drives' partitions too! If you do not realize what you are doing, >it can easily lead to hopelessly fregmented drives, so don't grow by small >amounts. > >You can grow them while users are going at things full blast, but the new >mirror can take a few minutes to catch-up. You can only grow, not shrink. >It is *very* easy to get used to this power tool! I use several of >different unicies, but AIX is the only one I've used with this. Doesn't >someone else like HPUX or OSF/1 have something like this? Novell does this. Need space, drop in a drive. >Another nice feature is SSA (Serial SCSI Array?) drives allow multiple >machines to access the same sets of drives to improve process-takeover in >fail-over systems. If a box goes, it's sibling grabs it's drives, ARPs >for it, and starts whatever processes it needs. Users see a few seconds of >pause and then it just works again - while you fix the hardware in peace! >We have lost systems and not realized it for hours. > >A take-over scheme like this could work on FreeBSD if you could have two >machines share a SCSI-UW bus with some drives. Target-mode SCSI sould >allow the machines to exchange info on who had what drives. Any takers? (^_^) > >Of course, when we tried to use DCE to make some nice client-server >systems, we found the software didn't scale as well as the hardware... Oh >well, at least DCE had decent RPCs and DNS still works! This would certainly solve the backup server problem. What about if the SSA fails and 2 or more servers die? Novell can use a fiber link between 2 servers to mirror them. So no matter what fails on the primary, there isn't a hitch in stride. Guess we have some things on our FBSD wish list then. :O Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking mountin.man@mixcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 17:58:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18091 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:58:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA18055 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:57:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mountin.man@mixcom.com) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id TAA05747; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:59:39 -0600 Received: from dial193-15.mixcom.com(207.250.193.15) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma005734; Wed Jan 28 19:59:29 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980128195410.007178ac@198.137.186.100> X-Sender: mmttnn@198.137.186.100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:54:10 -0600 To: Scot Elliott , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:58 PM 1/28/98 +0000, Scot Elliott wrote: >On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Jeff Lynch wrote: > >> Yikes. I would set it at 20MB or 30MB and explain why it is necessary. If >> they have an occaisonal need you can always jack it up temporarily. >> It you leave it unlimited, you'll probably be sorry. >> >> You might even talk them into using ftp. > >I totally agree with this. EMail was just not designed for rediculously >large transfers like this. It's inefficient because there's no restart >facility (I dont think...) in case a connection gets broken, like there is >with FTP and HTTP. What burns me is that they don't compress large files. Don't want to teach them how to use WinZip, make it self-extracting. Nothing like having almost 300 mailboxes for one company and a dozen or more being sent a 12 MB PowerPoint attachment, when most could not download it. Then it had to be purged without killing other messages. Especially since most of the recipients were on their LAN/WAN in the above case. Still it wasn't as bad as the idiot that sent a 42 MB file to a fellow worker, who-was-in-the-same-office!!! Hello?! Did you local network crash? Need I mention the time when someone sent a large attachment, the message bounce, and the person's mail client chokes? Better to educate them. Some mailers choke at 1 MB attachments, but limits were set at 5 MB. Bigger, too bad, use ftp. >Definately talk your users into using FTP or something similar. Maybe get >them to embed a URL in their document so that the likes of Netscape mail >users can just click to open an attachment. Simple enough to setup a virtual web/ftp to handle this. In fact this could be a valuable service addition for business customers. (Must say that this thead has really taken off.) Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking mountin.man@mixcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 19:02:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA29510 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:02:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA29503 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:02:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA06876; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:16:45 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:16:45 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Andreas Klemm cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need Unix/FreeBSD based accounting/billing software with Radius server and sql database In-Reply-To: <19980128182110.02328@klemm.gtn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Andreas Klemm wrote: > Please, is there another software available for Sun or FreeBSD, > which has a radius server with connectivity to a sql database. My colleague has just put radius support into pppd, and I'm about to review and commit it in the next couple of days. I'll also make it into a package so people can test it/use it in 2.2.5+ In the package I'll include ip-up/ip-down scripts, which you can use as models. In these scripts you could put msql statements. Keep your eyes on this list next week (I'm taking Friday-Sunday off). Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 19:18:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02667 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:18:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from portal.net.au (galley.portal.net.au [202.12.71.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02657 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:18:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@portal.net.au) Received: (from matt@localhost) by portal.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17610 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:48:11 +1030 (CST) From: Matt Baker Message-Id: <199801290318.NAA17610@portal.net.au> Subject: Re: Need Unix/FreeBSD based accounting/billing software with Radius server and sql database To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:48:11 +1030 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "Daniel O'Callaghan" at Jan 29, 98 01:16:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Please, is there another software available for Sun or FreeBSD, > > which has a radius server with connectivity to a sql database. > > My colleague has just put radius support into pppd, and I'm about to > review and commit it in the next couple of days. I'll also make it into > a package so people can test it/use it in 2.2.5+ > > In the package I'll include ip-up/ip-down scripts, which you can use as > models. In these scripts you could put msql statements. Have you looked at also doing login.c as well? I'm at the moment using your pppkit package (works well!), which allows for users to connect in two possible ways: 1. PAP login which is handled by pppd itself, 2. and normal login, then kick off pppd. This second one is used by a few of our customers using Trumpet Winsock under Windows 3.1. Matthew. --------- matt baker matt@portal.net.au Adelaide, South Australia. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 21:33:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA29616 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:33:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29587 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:33:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA07428; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:33:10 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:33:09 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Matt Baker cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need Unix/FreeBSD based accounting/billing software with Radius server and sql database In-Reply-To: <199801290318.NAA17610@portal.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Matt Baker wrote: > > > Please, is there another software available for Sun or FreeBSD, > > > which has a radius server with connectivity to a sql database. > > > > My colleague has just put radius support into pppd, and I'm about to > > review and commit it in the next couple of days. I'll also make it into > > a package so people can test it/use it in 2.2.5+ > > > > In the package I'll include ip-up/ip-down scripts, which you can use as > > models. In these scripts you could put msql statements. > > Have you looked at also doing login.c as well? > I'm at the moment using your pppkit package (works well!), which allows > for users to connect in two possible ways: > 1. PAP login which is handled by pppd itself, > 2. and normal login, then kick off pppd. > > This second one is used by a few of our customers using Trumpet Winsock > under Windows 3.1. Well, the merit radius comes with radlogin already, so login was not a priority, but it is worth discussion. Thanks for the comment. Danny /* Daniel O'Callaghan */ /* HiLink Internet danny@hilink.com.au */ /* FreeBSD - works hard, plays hard... danny@freebsd.org */ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 28 23:31:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19308 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:31:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from email.polaccess.com (polaccess.com [205.166.42.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA19301 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:31:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcin@polaccess.com) Received: from [205.166.42.125] by email.polaccess.com (SMTPD32-3.03) id A954BEE800FC; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:23:16 -0500 Message-ID: <34D02F03.46FC@polaccess.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:25:55 -0600 From: Marcin Pasek Reply-To: marcin@polaccess.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Moving server to a diffrent LAN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" I am moving my FREEBSD Server to a diffrent LAN...I already have All IP's and everything...is there a painless procedure to change the network setting on a FreeBSD sever 2.2 I asked that question once but I lost my email address in the meantime...Please help... Send the answer to me not to the list I dont have an access to it... Thanks Marcin From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 00:09:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA25728 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:09:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA25723 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:09:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23702; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:38:49 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA00443; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:38:43 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980129183833.30705@lemis.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:38:33 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: marcin@polaccess.com Cc: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Moving server to a diffrent LAN References: <34D02F03.46FC@polaccess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <34D02F03.46FC@polaccess.com>; from Marcin Pasek on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 01:25:55AM -0600 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 01:25:55AM -0600, Marcin Pasek wrote: > I am moving my FREEBSD Server to a diffrent LAN...I already have All > IP's and everything...is there a painless procedure to change the > network setting on a FreeBSD sever 2.2 Yes. Check the settings in /etc/rc.conf (may still be called /etc/sysconfig in 2.2). If you're running a primary DNS name server on the machine, you may need to change the configuration as well. You'll know if you're running a name server. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 02:03:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA09239 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:03:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA09204 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:03:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id KAA05973; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:45:09 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id DAA29438; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:58:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980129035834.60948@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:58:34 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need Unix/FreeBSD based accounting/billing software with Radius server and sql database References: <19980128182110.02328@klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: ; from Daniel O'Callaghan on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 01:16:45PM +1100 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 01:16:45PM +1100, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Andreas Klemm wrote: > > > Please, is there another software available for Sun or FreeBSD, > > which has a radius server with connectivity to a sql database. > > My colleague has just put radius support into pppd, and I'm about to > review and commit it in the next couple of days. I'll also make it into > a package so people can test it/use it in 2.2.5+ > > In the package I'll include ip-up/ip-down scripts, which you can use as > models. In these scripts you could put msql statements. > > Keep your eyes on this list next week (I'm taking Friday-Sunday off). Hi Danny, this sounds great. But I need this for an USR router as well. But sounds really really good ! -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 02:12:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA10181 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:12:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA10170 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:12:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04141 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:12:01 GMT (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <34D055F2.F5BA005E@tdx.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:12:02 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: wu-ftpd 2.4.2-beta-13-1 - Internal ls? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" I'm sure I've read somewhere that wu-ftpd (2.4.2-b13-1) can be configured to use an internal version of the Date & ls commands, rather than having to put 'ls' and 'date' in bin directories in every users home dir (so there accessable when the system 'chroot's to the user's home-dir) I can't find any options in FreeBSD port / config / Makefiles for wu-ftpd (I'm running 2.2.5) that refer to this... Is this possible - or do I have it confused with another ftpd? Regards, Karl From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 02:24:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA12521 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:24:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA12516 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:24:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA08043; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:23:52 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 21:23:51 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Karl Pielorz cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wu-ftpd 2.4.2-beta-13-1 - Internal ls? In-Reply-To: <34D055F2.F5BA005E@tdx.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" On Thu, 29 Jan 1998, Karl Pielorz wrote: > I'm sure I've read somewhere that wu-ftpd (2.4.2-b13-1) can be configured to > use an internal version of the Date & ls commands, rather than having to put I don't know why you want 'date', but FreeBSD's own ftpd can have built_in ls. cd /usr/src/libexec/ftpd ; vi Makefile and you'll see. Cheers, Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 02:36:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA13748 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:36:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA13734 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:35:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04278 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:35:56 GMT (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Message-ID: <34D05B8D.28D3E87F@tdx.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:35:57 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Backups / Dump Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" If I do a tape dump, but instead write it to disk, e.g. dump 0auf - / >mydump.dmp (Which dumps the root file system to a file called 'mydump.dmp') - and then later either cp, dd or cat this to tape - why does a: restore t /dev/rst0 Give: tape read error: Invalid argument And: /kernel: st0(ncr0:6:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:20,0 Invalid command operation code sks:c0,0 In the syslog? Normal dumps to tapes work fine... The exact error reported by the drive is 'block too big'. I've tried reblocking the dump with something like: dd if=mydump.dmp of=/dev/rst0 bs=512 But all to no avail... Anyone got any suggestions? Regards, Karl From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 03:37:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA20636 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:37:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from grunt.vl.net.ua (daemon@grunt.vl.net.ua [193.124.76.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA20481 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:35:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from news@grunt.vl.net.ua) Received: from news by grunt.vl.net.ua with local (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xxsC9-0004TS-00; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:31:45 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: apache-ssl, how to generate an unlimited certificate with SSL Date: 29 Jan 1998 13:31:45 +0200 Message-ID: <6appb1$gpd$1@grunt.vl.net.ua> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970930; i386 FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE] X-Via: News-To-Mail v1.0 From: Vladimir Litovka Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" In maillist.freebsd.isp pstewart wrote: > The default setting is in your ssleay.cnf file... you can change the > default in there to 365 days if you like.. possibly more..:) This is possible off-topic, but can anybody give me steps for setting up apache-ssl version? Or give me points to information about this thing. May be this is FAQ? If so, where is it? Thanks in advance. -- Vladimir Litovka , hostmaster of vl.net.ua ----------------------------------------------------------------- Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? UNIX: And where do you want to find yourself tomorrow? From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 05:27:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA07558 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 05:27:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay1.mail.uk.psi.net (relay1.mail.uk.psi.net [154.32.105.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA07540 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 05:27:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robmel@nadt.org.uk) Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net [154.32.106.14]) by relay1.mail.uk.psi.net (8.8.5/) with ESMTP id NAA02236; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:26:53 GMT Received: by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id LAA25476; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:12:57 GMT Received: from infodev.nadt.org.uk (infodev.nadt.org.uk [172.16.99.205]) by charlie.nadt.org.uk (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA15166; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:03:34 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980129100333.008501f0@wrcmail> X-Sender: robmel@wrcmail X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:03:33 +0000 To: muditha@seychelles.net From: Robin Melville Subject: Re: [Fwd: error] Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <34CE2BC3.641D@seychelles.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" At 22:47 27/01/98 +0400, you wrote: >Hi, >Can you please expalin what this error exactly means. What should I do >about it. >Jan 27 18:42:05 breadfruit /kernel: uid 0 on /: file system full >Jan 27 18:42:05 breadfruit /kernel: uid 0 on /: file system full >Jan 27 18:42:06 breadfruit mail.local: temporary file write error >Jan 27 18:42:06 breadfruit mail.local: temporary file write error Your "mail.local" program is is trying to write to the /tmp directory and failing because the file system is full. Many system administrators shift the /tmp directory elsewhere to avoid this problem since it's usual to have a pretty small root filesystem, and actually it's preferable to have as little write activity on root as possible. Copy the contents of /tmp to, say, /var/tmp. Remove the /tmp directory. Do: ln -s /var/tmp /tmp to create a symlink. Robin. -------------------------------------------------------- Robin Melville, Addiction & Forensic Information Service Nottingham Alcohol & Drug Team (Extn. 49178) Vox: +44 (0)115 952 9478 Fax: +44 (0)115 952 9421 Email: robmel@nadt.org.uk WWW: http://www.innotts.co.uk/nadt/ --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 07:07:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA19952 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:07:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fastlane.net (fastlane.net [204.251.16.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA19947 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:07:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lacoursj@fastlane.net) Received: from localhost (lacoursj@localhost) by fastlane.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA24165; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:07:07 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:07:07 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeffrey D. Lacoursiere" To: Andreas Klemm cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Need Unix/FreeBSD based accounting/billing software with Radius server and sql database In-Reply-To: <19980128182110.02328@klemm.gtn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" We have just what you are looking for. We call it FLAMS (FastLane Account Management System). It is web based, runs on FreeBSD (using Apache, MySQL, and a proprietary form engine developed in house), and will read (currently) Ascend and Livingston Radius accounting logs in real time. The report engine that works against the radius data allows you to view call logs by user, date, or IP address (catch those spammers), with optional limits on the number of records returned and an optional summary showing total time online, average up and downlink connect speeds, average call length, and several other stats. The report engine is VERY fast. Our development version currently holds 1.7 Million call records and most reports (those not attempting to select several thousand calls, for example, where the browser slows things down) are returned in 2 or 3 seconds. Nightly processing turns accounts off as they expire, suspends accounts that have exceeded dialup limits or have overdue balances, emails warnings as users approach dialup limits, and generates statistics of the days activities, producing historical graphs of account additions, suspensions, and deletions, calls received during the day, call tickets opened and closed, etc. It manages all billing aspects with a very flexible service definition interface, allowing you to charge for services with differing price structures, setup fees, and durations. An interface for manually charging accounts for misc items (hats, T-shirts, etc), manually accepting payments (cash, check, etc), voiding transactions, and doling out refunds is provided. Credit card batches are produced each night, and we are working on integrating with several of the Internet based card processing agencies so your credit card processing will be completely automatic. Currently you must send the batches by hand with ICVerify type card processing software, then ask FLAMS to read the result file and post payments (and send warnings to users whose cards were declined). It seamlessly handles multi-service, multi-user accounts with options to invoice by email, paper, and fax. Multiple tax regions are supported for ISP's that run multiple POPs. Normal business reports are provided for accounts receivable, salestax, and sales. It is a full fledged call ticket system allowing your technicians to manage the calls they take, and allowing your support supervisor to keep track of open tickets and ongoing problems. It manages employee time tracking (no more filling out time sheets!). It has several levels of authentication to seperate billing tasks from tech support tasks. A full C API with documentation comes with FLAMS if you are interested in writing custom reports against the SQL database back end. MySQL comes with a C and a Perl API, so you can write custom reports in Perl as well. Best of all, the form engine works against HTML template files that you may customize to your heart's desire, making FLAMS look however you like. MySQL itself has a SQL monitor interface which you are welcome to use to run SQL commands directly against the FLAMS database (the use of DELETE..WHERE.. is not suggested :) . The full schema is provided with the product documentation. FLAMS will NOT be sold based on the number of users your ISP supports. There will be a fixed price for the product with an optional support contract. A FastLane engineer will spend time on site with your staff to install, integrate, train, and, optionally, customize. FLAMS is currently in beta at two ISP's in the Dallas/Ft. Worth metroplex. Send email if you are interested in participating in the beta. Beta participants will receive a substantial price break when the product is released. We anticipate the first release to occur in March. A demo will be available on the web soon. Thanks! Jeff LaCoursiere President FastLane Communications, Inc. www.fastlane.net On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Andreas Klemm wrote: > Hi ! > > My collegue wanted me to use a NT based software, since he > didn't find another one... But I don't want to do that and > am now urgently looking for something Unix based. > > Please, is there another software available for Sun or FreeBSD, > which has a radius server with connectivity to a sql database. > > We want to offer internet services and need a very flexible > software, that keeps track of logins and does billing and > the possibility to make sure, that an internet account is > used only by one person at a time. > > Thanks a lot > > Andreas /// > > -- > Andreas Klemm > powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' > > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 08:21:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01109 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:21:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (root@NS.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01101 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:21:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rewt@i-plus.net) Received: from abyss (old@b.nu [208.24.67.58]) by Radford.i-Plus.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24266; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:21:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00dc01bd2cd2$2fcf48f0$3a4318d0@abyss.b.nu> From: "Troy Settle" To: "Matt Baker" , Subject: Re: Need Unix/FreeBSD based accounting/billing software with Radius server and sql database Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:23:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" From: Matt Baker >> My colleague has just put radius support into pppd, and I'm about to >> review and commit it in the next couple of days. I'll also make it into >> a package so people can test it/use it in 2.2.5+ >> >> In the package I'll include ip-up/ip-down scripts, which you can use as >> models. In these scripts you could put msql statements. > >Have you looked at also doing login.c as well? >I'm at the moment using your pppkit package (works well!), which allows >for users to connect in two possible ways: >1. PAP login which is handled by pppd itself, >2. and normal login, then kick off pppd. > >This second one is used by a few of our customers using Trumpet Winsock >under Windows 3.1. > For that matter, what about finding some unused attributes in the radius spec, and just hacking up the passwd lib (libc? libutil?) so that any authentication/passwd access could be handled through radius? Kinda like how we currently have support for NIS, kerberos, etc... A single line in the passwd file could, in theory, direct any access to /etc/passwd to go to a radius server for information. Doing this, and getting it into the standard release, would allow us to set up a single authentication scheme for all kinds of uses. Access servers, pop servers, shell servers, ftp servers, etc... Then, when a client goes to authenticate a user, it sends the username/password to the server, and gets back the unix passwd entry. Overlay the local defaults on that, and presto! The user is logged in to do whatever... So, on the radius server, you would have a normal passwd file, where users have a shell of say /usr/bin/false. Then on a terminal server, you could have: +radius:server key,server name:::default class:::::/usr/bin/pppd On a shell server, you could have: +radius:server key,server name:::default class:::::/usr/local/bin/tcsh On a pop3 server, you could have: +radius:server key,server name:::default class::::: The possibilities are endless. TTFN -- Troy Settle Network Administrator, iPlus Internet Services http://www.i-plus.net From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 08:47:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05151 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:47:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from email.polaccess.com (polaccess.com [205.166.42.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA05140 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:46:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcin@polaccess.com) Received: from [205.166.42.125] by email.polaccess.com (SMTPD32-3.03) id AB69F7A300FC; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:38:17 -0500 Message-ID: <34D0B11E.131D@polaccess.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:41:02 -0600 From: Marcin Pasek Reply-To: marcin@polaccess.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey CC: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Moving server to a diffrent LAN References: <34D02F03.46FC@polaccess.com> <19980129183833.30705@lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" Thanks for help and I found the info at /etc/sysconfig....I have one more question... I am using a DNS on a diffrent computer ...how do I change the DNS setup on that server? it's not in the sysconfig file... Marcin Greg Lehey wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 01:25:55AM -0600, Marcin Pasek wrote: > > I am moving my FREEBSD Server to a diffrent LAN...I already have All > > IP's and everything...is there a painless procedure to change the > > network setting on a FreeBSD sever 2.2 > > Yes. Check the settings in /etc/rc.conf (may still be called > /etc/sysconfig in 2.2). If you're running a primary DNS name server > on the machine, you may need to change the configuration as well. > You'll know if you're running a name server. > > Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 08:57:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06287 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:57:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (root@NS.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06254 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:57:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rewt@i-plus.net) Received: from abyss (old@b.nu [208.24.67.58]) by Radford.i-Plus.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA25164; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:57:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <016001bd2cd7$3b3e2080$3a4318d0@abyss.b.nu> From: "Troy Settle" To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" Cc: Subject: Re: Sendmail - setting 'verify only' Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:59:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" From: Eric J. Schwertfeger >sendmail_flags="-bd -q5m -opnoexpn" > >in your /etc/rc.conf or /etc/sysconfig as appropriate will disable >expansion. we left VRFY on, but it returns unexpanded with this option in >effect. > Uhm.. check again: # sendmail -bd -q10m -opnoexpn # telnet localhost 25 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost.i-Plus.net. Escape character is '^]'. 220 Radford.i-Plus.net ESMTP Sendmail 8.8.8/8.8.5; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:51:13 -0500 (EST) expn st 502 Sorry, we do not allow this operation vrfy st 250 Troy Settle I did have luck with: /usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -q10m -opnoexpn -opnovrfy -- Troy Settle Network Administrator, iPlus Internet Services http://www.i-plus.net From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 09:18:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08713 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:18:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (root@NS.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08699 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:18:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rewt@i-plus.net) Received: from abyss (old@b.nu [208.24.67.58]) by Radford.i-Plus.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA25726 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:18:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <018401bd2cda$3a4d2970$3a4318d0@abyss.b.nu> From: "Troy Settle" To: "(ML) FreeBSD ISP" Subject: filesystems Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:20:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" In light of the recent 'Sendmail - low on space' thread, here's a few thoughts on partitioning disk space... A year ago, when faced with the prospect of setting up an ISP, I wasn't sure how to go about allocating disk space. I had a single server, and 2 HDs totaling about 3.5 gig. I ended up creating a number of smallish (250-500 meg) partitions, and playing musical filesystems with them. Last month, I realized that I had a totally crappy filesystem, so I got a 4.3 gig SCSI drive to replace the 2 IDE drives, and started fresh. For a 1000 user system, here's what I came up with: /dev/sd0a 95359 38469 49262 44% / /dev/sd0s1d 1813583 364656 1303841 22% /home /dev/sd0s1h 508655 247143 220820 53% /play /dev/sd0s1g 127151 685 116294 1% /tmp /dev/sd0s1f 289231 152536 113557 57% /usr /dev/sd0s1e 1017327 482766 453175 52% /var / ~100 megs (plenty of breathing room) swap ~250 megs /usr ~300 megs /tmp ~128 megs /var ~1 gig /home ~1.8 gig /play ~500 megs The /play partition is temporary, it will soon be /var/local (/usr/local/var) for my mysql databases The /var partition holds mail and my squid cache until I get a seperate server for squid. I originally wanted to mount /usr as read-only, and have /usr/local on a seperate partition, but found myself running out of room. Eventually, I'll have /home moved over to a second HD, then move /var to where /home was, and /var/local to where /var was, freeing up ~500 megs for /usr/local so I can mount /usr as readonly. comments? Perhaps we could combine our experiences, and add a section to the handbook, "Being a FreeBSD ISP" -- Troy Settle Network Administrator, iPlus Internet Services http://www.i-plus.net From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 10:15:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA20386 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:15:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bert.club-web.com (bert.club-web.com [207.176.196.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20381 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:15:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@club-web.com) Received: from club-web.com (ernie.club-web.com [207.176.196.12]) by bert.club-web.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18581; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:20:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34D0CACB.51AFE3A6@club-web.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:30:35 -0500 From: Mark Segal Organization: Club-Web Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: marcin@polaccess.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Moving server to a diffrent LAN References: <34D02F03.46FC@polaccess.com> <19980129183833.30705@lemis.com> <34D0B11E.131D@polaccess.com> <34D0C596.D3FBB799@club-web.com> <34CF7360.71EC@polaccess.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" Marcin Pasek wrote: > > I think that FreeBSD should have some kind of DNS IP address entered > somewhere for a lot of things, If the server is not a dns server and is being moved to a network that still has access to the old one (ie not a private network) then you don't have to touch anything to so with dns.. btw, it's in your /etc/resolve.conf under the line nameserver. Mark -- Mark Segal mark@club-web.com System Administrator - Club-Web Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 10:19:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA20891 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:19:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lepton.nuc.net (lepton.nuc.net [204.49.61.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20881 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:19:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wheelman@nuc.net) Received: from electron.nuc.net (dhcp1.nuc.net [204.49.61.15]) by lepton.nuc.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA17706 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:18:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <027301bd2ce2$05517f20$0f3d31cc@electron.nuc.net> From: "Jaime Bozza" To: Subject: SQL choice questions. Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:16:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" We're going to be implementing PHP with one of the SQL's out there, and I was curious on recommendations for the SQL. I've looked at both MySQL and PostgreSQL, and (for now) will be picking from one of those. Can anyone give me recommendations on either or both? (If you've used both, what you found for pros and cons on each) Of course, if one it flat out better, I'd like to know that, too. Jaime Bozza Nucleus Communications, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 10:32:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23621 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:32:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bert.club-web.com (bert.club-web.com [207.176.196.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23561 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:31:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@club-web.com) Received: from club-web.com (ernie.club-web.com [207.176.196.12]) by bert.club-web.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA18265; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:57:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34D0C596.D3FBB799@club-web.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:08:22 -0500 From: Mark Segal Organization: Club-Web Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: marcin@polaccess.com CC: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Moving server to a diffrent LAN References: <34D02F03.46FC@polaccess.com> <19980129183833.30705@lemis.com> <34D0B11E.131D@polaccess.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" Marcin Pasek wrote: > > Thanks for help and I found the info at /etc/sysconfig....I have one > more question... I am using a DNS on a diffrent computer ...how do I > change the DNS setup on that server? it's not in the sysconfig file... > Could you be a little more specific.. :).. as in reverse dns.. or is the dns server no longer accessable.. or do you need to change it?.. is is moving to a vpn? :). -- Mark Segal mark@club-web.com System Administrator - Club-Web Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 10:35:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23992 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:35:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from email.polaccess.com (polaccess.com [205.166.42.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23981 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:35:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcin@polaccess.com) Received: from [205.166.42.125] by email.polaccess.com (SMTPD32-3.03) id AF3BE290202; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:02:51 -0500 Message-ID: <34CF7360.71EC@polaccess.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:05:20 -0600 From: Marcin Pasek Reply-To: marcin@polaccess.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Segal CC: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Moving server to a diffrent LAN References: <34D02F03.46FC@polaccess.com> <19980129183833.30705@lemis.com> <34D0B11E.131D@polaccess.com> <34D0C596.D3FBB799@club-web.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" I think that FreeBSD should have some kind of DNS IP address entered somewhere for a lot of things, Mark Segal wrote: > > Marcin Pasek wrote: > > > > Thanks for help and I found the info at /etc/sysconfig....I have one > > more question... I am using a DNS on a diffrent computer ...how do I > > change the DNS setup on that server? it's not in the sysconfig file... > > > Could you be a little more specific.. :).. as in reverse dns.. or is the > dns server no longer accessable.. or do you need to change it?.. is is > moving to a vpn? :). > > -- > Mark Segal > mark@club-web.com > System Administrator - Club-Web Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 11:25:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02692 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:25:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA02687 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:25:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mountin.man@mixcom.com) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id NAA28220; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:27:25 -0600 Received: from dial193-43.mixcom.com(207.250.193.43) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma028185; Thu Jan 29 13:27:07 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980129132147.007041dc@198.137.186.100> X-Sender: mmttnn@198.137.186.100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:21:47 -0600 To: "Troy Settle" , "(ML) FreeBSD ISP" From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: filesystems In-Reply-To: <018401bd2cda$3a4d2970$3a4318d0@abyss.b.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" At 12:20 PM 1/29/98 -0500, Troy Settle wrote: >In light of the recent 'Sendmail - low on space' thread, here's a few >thoughts on partitioning disk space... > >A year ago, when faced with the prospect of setting up an ISP, I wasn't >sure how to go about allocating disk space. I had a single server, and 2 >HDs totaling about 3.5 gig. I ended up creating a number of smallish >(250-500 meg) partitions, and playing musical filesystems with them. > >Last month, I realized that I had a totally crappy filesystem, so I got a >4.3 gig SCSI drive to replace the 2 IDE drives, and started fresh. Personally I would have went for 2 - 2 GB drives or 4 - 1 GB... >For a 1000 user system, here's what I came up with: >/dev/sd0a 95359 38469 49262 44% / >/dev/sd0s1d 1813583 364656 1303841 22% /home >/dev/sd0s1h 508655 247143 220820 53% /play >/dev/sd0s1g 127151 685 116294 1% /tmp >/dev/sd0s1f 289231 152536 113557 57% /usr >/dev/sd0s1e 1017327 482766 453175 52% /var > >/ ~100 megs (plenty of breathing room) >swap ~250 megs >/usr ~300 megs Might be small, but /usr/ports could be a mount point if needed in the future. >/tmp ~128 megs More than enough. >/var ~1 gig >/home ~1.8 gig >/play ~500 megs > > >The /play partition is temporary, it will soon be /var/local >(/usr/local/var) for my mysql databases > >The /var partition holds mail and my squid cache until I get a seperate >server for squid. > >I originally wanted to mount /usr as read-only, and have /usr/local on a >seperate partition, but found myself running out of room. > >Eventually, I'll have /home moved over to a second HD, then move /var to >where /home was, and /var/local to where /var was, freeing up ~500 megs >for /usr/local so I can mount /usr as readonly. All adjustments for what your system's needs are, but periodically it would be a good idea to run 'iostat -c 60' and see if the drives are reaching their transfer limits and if the load is spread over the drives relatively evenly. One web server I maintain has long peaks where the drive's transfer is max'd out and needs 2 faster drives to replace the older slower one. I'd consider moving mail to it's own server at some point, depending on the amount of traffic you have, but first getting a drive for just the mail spool. With only 1 drive, disk IO will most likely kill the system. What does this server handle and what hardware does it have? For a similarly setup server I ran: 1 - 540 IDE / swap /usr 1 - 540 IDE /tmp /var 1 - 1GB SCSI /u (/usr/home) /var/spool/mqueue 1 - 1GB SCSI /misc (local code, RADIUS, most logging and hardest hit) It should have had 2 more SCSI's sharing the logging and breaking things down a bit more, but this worked very well. The server did DNS, mail, shell, RADIUS, and full FTP (most sites were virtual FTP on web servers) on a P133 64MB. Preferably RADIUS and mail should have had their own server, since they were causing DNS to fallback to secondary. Most would also agree that SCSI should be used for all drives, but for infrequently accessed filesystems, IDE is a less expensive start if the bean counter is tight. >comments? Perhaps we could combine our experiences, and add a section to >the handbook, "Being a FreeBSD ISP" It would be very complex and probably should be the best of the methodologies presented. To me size and free space are always a 2nd to disk IO. Plenty of free space may be nice, but if it's slow... Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking mountin.man@mixcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 11:45:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05209 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:45:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA05198 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:45:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mountin.man@mixcom.com) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id NAA01054; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:46:50 -0600 Received: from dial193-43.mixcom.com(207.250.193.43) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma001023; Thu Jan 29 13:46:45 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980129134125.00717914@198.137.186.100> X-Sender: mmttnn@198.137.186.100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:41:25 -0600 To: Damian Hamill , Karl Pielorz From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Sendmail - setting 'verify only' Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <34CF02AF.773C2448@cablenet.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" At 10:04 AM 1/28/98 +0000, Damian Hamill wrote: >Karl Pielorz wrote: >> >> Can anyone tell me what I need to set / adjust (and recompile) in sendmail >> to stop sendmail from expanding all the VRFY names it's given? >> >> Also, if theres a way to disable EXPN or make it just return the name it >> was sent...? >> >> I've looked through the source, theres some mention of EEFFLAGS and other >> such things, but I'm a bit lost... >> >> Also - is doing this going to break a lot of things? >> >> Any help appreciated, >> >> Regards, >> >> Karl Pielorz > >pages 528-530 of the BAT book. First edition? In the 2nd, pgs 352 & 731 with the latter giving more detail. Command line option considered "old style" method in 2nd edition. Stock 2.2.5: # privacy flags O PrivacyOptions=authwarnings This would work: O PrivacyOptions=authwarnings, noexpn ... Or to include authwarnings, noexpn, novrfy, needmailhelo, needexpnhelo, and nedvrfyhelo you just: O PrivacyOptions=goaway I think Karl needs to do some shopping. :) Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking mountin.man@mixcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 11:55:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07694 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:55:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Radford.i-Plus.net (root@NS.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07678 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:55:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rewt@i-plus.net) Received: from abyss (old@b.nu [208.24.67.58]) by Radford.i-Plus.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA29423; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:47:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <020a01bd2cef$09730260$3a4318d0@abyss.b.nu> From: "Troy Settle" To: "(ML) FreeBSD ISP" , "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: filesystems Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:49:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" From: Jeffrey J. Mountin >>Last month, I realized that I had a totally crappy filesystem, so I got a >>4.3 gig SCSI drive to replace the 2 IDE drives, and started fresh. > >Personally I would have went for 2 - 2 GB drives or 4 - 1 GB... This is a 5400 RPM, 8.5ms UW SCSI drive... more on down... >>/usr ~300 megs > >Might be small, but /usr/ports could be a mount point if needed in the future. I'm no longer doing many builds on this machine. I nfs mount from another box to do a 'make install' for most things (including world) >>/tmp ~128 megs > >More than enough. used to be like 250 megs... :) >I'd consider moving mail to it's own server at some point, depending on the amount of traffic you have, but first getting a drive for just the mail spool. > >With only 1 drive, disk IO will most likely kill the system. > >What does this server handle and what hardware does it have? At this point, it handles everything (DNS, http, ftp, radius, sql, squid, pop3, smtp, nfs server for /home, etc..) I believe the system is scaled to handle ~1000 users, at which time I'll get a second box to take some of the load off. Eventually, I'll have a seperate box for damn near every service, though I'm still not sure how to shear the mail server off from a shell server (what, with NFS file locking being broke and all). For now, the few shell users we have know that they risk their mail folders if they use a local mail client. Is there a commercial *nix that can be used as an NFS server, but with no local services? so that mail would be read/writen to from seperate smtp/pop/shell servers without a problem? >>comments? Perhaps we could combine our experiences, and add a section to >>the handbook, "Being a FreeBSD ISP" > >It would be very complex and probably should be the best of the methodologies >presented. To me size and free space are always a 2nd to disk IO. Plenty of >free space may be nice, but if it's slow... Agreed, that's why I'd say to do combine our experiences... come up with some generic guidelines that find a middleground of cost/performance/reliability/etc... If anyone wants to help move forward on this, I suppose that the current thread is about the best place to start... Being A FreeBSD ISP 1. Filesystem allocation 1.1 Hardware selection 1.2 slicing 1.3 partitioning From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 12:03:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08979 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:03:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA08965 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:03:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mountin.man@mixcom.com) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id OAA03847; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:05:11 -0600 Received: from dial193-43.mixcom.com(207.250.193.43) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma003711; Thu Jan 29 14:04:40 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980129135921.00717914@198.137.186.100> X-Sender: mmttnn@198.137.186.100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:59:21 -0600 To: marcin@polaccess.com From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Moving server to a diffrent LAN Cc: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" In-Reply-To: <34D0B11E.131D@polaccess.com> References: <34D02F03.46FC@polaccess.com> <19980129183833.30705@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" At 10:41 AM 1/29/98 -0600, Marcin Pasek wrote: >Thanks for help and I found the info at /etc/sysconfig....I have one >more question... I am using a DNS on a diffrent computer ...how do I >change the DNS setup on that server? it's not in the sysconfig file... If there server is in DNS for some domain and you net you may want to change the DNS ahead of time: @ IN SOA your.net. admin.your.net. ( 1998012802 ; Serial 10800 ; Refresh after 3 hours 3600 ; Retry after 1 hour 604800 ; Expire after 1 week 86400 ) ; Minimum time to live of 1 day Changing the refresh to say 1 hour (or less), so the secondaries pick up faster. You should change the minimum to 1 hour the day prior to changing the IP or whatever the minimum value is. After the secondaries refresh, change the refresh back along with the minimum. All depends on how important DNS is to the machine. If it doesn't matter much, you could just change the IP in the zone record, increment the serial number and reload named, but be aware that the changes will not be global until the cached zone expires. Leaving the values low on the minimum isn't considered good form. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking mountin.man@mixcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 12:30:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13629 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:30:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA13623 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:30:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mountin.man@mixcom.com) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id OAA07458; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:31:39 -0600 Received: from dial193-43.mixcom.com(207.250.193.43) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma007422; Thu Jan 29 14:31:13 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980129142553.0070374c@198.137.186.100> X-Sender: mmttnn@198.137.186.100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:25:53 -0600 To: "Troy Settle" , "(ML) FreeBSD ISP" From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: filesystems In-Reply-To: <020a01bd2cef$09730260$3a4318d0@abyss.b.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" At 02:49 PM 1/29/98 -0500, Troy Settle wrote: >From: Jeffrey J. Mountin >This is a 5400 RPM, 8.5ms UW SCSI drive... more on down... Hmmmm... >I'm no longer doing many builds on this machine. I nfs mount from >another box to do a 'make install' for most things (including world) Saving space. >used to be like 250 megs... :) Overkill. >At this point, it handles everything (DNS, http, ftp, radius, sql, squid, >pop3, smtp, nfs server for /home, etc..) Ouch. >I believe the system is scaled to handle ~1000 users, at which time I'll >get a second box to take some of the load off. Eventually, I'll have a >seperate box for damn near every service, though I'm still not sure how >to shear the mail server off from a shell server (what, with NFS file >locking being broke and all). For now, the few shell users we have know >that they risk their mail folders if they use a local mail client. It will bog down before then. With 2 IDE and 1 SCSI things slowed down before 1000 users and www was always separate. YMMV. >Is there a commercial *nix that can be used as an NFS server, but with no >local services? so that mail would be read/writen to from seperate >smtp/pop/shell servers without a problem? Wouldn't IMAP handle mail and shell on separate servers. Considering the traffic on mail, NFS would be a poor choice. And there was a thread recently concerning NFS and performance. >Agreed, that's why I'd say to do combine our experiences... come up with >some generic guidelines that find a middleground of >cost/performance/reliability/etc... More along the lines of determining _when_ to add drives for _what_ services. Cost and performance are determined by the hardware used, the prior going down and the latter improving as time goes by. Reliability varies. >If anyone wants to help move forward on this, I suppose that the current >thread is about the best place to start... > >Being A FreeBSD ISP > >1. Filesystem allocation >1.1 Hardware selection >1.2 slicing My preferance, but I use (A)ll every time... And wish I weren't nagged about it. ;) >1.3 partitioning I'd imagine it would be a better in handbook, but possibly in the FAQ and then more a "allowing room for growth" question. And then the defaults are good for the average user and one would hope that there is someone with experience that can make good determinations of what is needed for growth. Is there a perceived need for this to reduce traffic on the lists. I'm not on questions anymore, so have no clue if such things are commonly asked about and if more than basic suggestions are really needed. With this list, I'd say no with the sendmail thread as an example. After monitoring a system and reading up on security, a good admin should come to realize many of the opinions given are just common sense. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking mountin.man@mixcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 13:01:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19786 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:01:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from netdev.comsys.com (netdev.comsys.com [192.94.236.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19737 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:01:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@comsys.com) From: alex@comsys.com Received: from alexhupp.comsys.com (166-57-97.ipt.aol.com [152.166.57.97]) by netdev.comsys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA28149; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:00:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34D0EDD6.1FB2@comsys.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:00:06 -0800 Reply-To: alex@comsys.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Filipi-Martin CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: chroot References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" Adrian, I'm sorry, "to the man with a hammer everything appears a nail." My solution does not address your telnet problem. We recently fixed a chroot problem with ftp, and not telnet. My mistake. We never allow any telnet access to our system for the general customer, so the telnet part of your message didn't register. There was an 'rsh' or restricted shell a while back... I don't see it on our recent systems though. Trial and error using .profile, .login, .cshrc, or globals for csh shell, /etc/csh.cshrc /etc/.csh.login might help. -Alex Adrian T. Filipi-Martin wrote: > > Hi, > I can find reference to /etc/ftpchroot, but not /etc/chroot. > Could you give me a pointer to the proper manpage? I cann't find one that > mentions it. > > thanks, > > Adrian > > On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 alex@comsys.com wrote: > > > Put him in /etc/chroot, create a ~usr/bin/date ~usr/bin/ls, ls and > > date should have the same perms as the ~ftp/bin versions. Else > > recompile ftpd with internal support for ls and date. > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > Charlie & wrote: > > > > > > I have a customer who is somewhat objectionable to some of my other > > > customers. How do I use chroot to automatically set a users root directory to > > > his home directory everytime they telnet in? Do I create a file (ie:ush) that > > > executes the chroot command then the shell program (ie: /bin/sh) then change > > > all of my users to use the new shell (ush)? Is there a better way? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Eddie > > > > Adrian > -- > adrian@virginia.edu ---->>>>| If I were stranded on a desert island, and > System Administrator --->>>| I could only have one OS for my computer, > Neurosurgical Visualzation Lab -->>| it would be FreeBSD. Think about it..... > http://www.nvl.virginia.edu/ ->| http://www.freebsd.org/ 1111111 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 13:08:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21801 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:08:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from infowest.com (infowest.com [204.17.177.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21762 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:08:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from agifford@infowest.com) Received: from default (homework.infowest.com [207.49.60.254]) by infowest.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA14705 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:07:56 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980129140755.033893e0@infowest.com> X-Sender: agifford@infowest.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:07:55 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Aaron D. Gifford" Subject: Re: SQL choice questions. In-Reply-To: <027301bd2ce2$05517f20$0f3d31cc@electron.nuc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" At 12:16 PM 1/29/98 -0600, you wrote: >We're going to be implementing PHP with one of the SQL's out there, and I >was curious on recommendations for the SQL. I've looked at both MySQL and >PostgreSQL, and (for now) will be picking from one of those. > >Can anyone give me recommendations on either or both? (If you've used both, >what you found for pros and cons on each) > >Of course, if one it flat out better, I'd like to know that, too. > >Jaime Bozza >Nucleus Communications, Inc. I don't know about Postgress, but MySQL has been an EXCELLENT performer with PHP/FI 2.0 and PHP 3.0beta for us. It seems I recall someone with MySQL claiming benchmark performance superior to Postgress, but I'm not sure. Aaron out. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 14:06:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01279 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:06:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA01272 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:06:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mountin.man@mixcom.com) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id QAA21030; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:07:51 -0600 Received: from dial193-43.mixcom.com(207.250.193.43) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma020989; Thu Jan 29 16:07:20 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980129160200.00720ea4@198.137.186.100> X-Sender: mmttnn@198.137.186.100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:02:00 -0600 To: alex@comsys.com, Adrian Filipi-Martin From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: chroot Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <34D0EDD6.1FB2@comsys.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" At 01:00 PM 1/29/98 -0800, alex@comsys.com wrote: >Adrian, > >I'm sorry, "to the man with a hammer everything appears a nail." > >My solution does not address your telnet problem. We recently >fixed a chroot problem with ftp, and not telnet. My mistake. > >We never allow any telnet access to our system for the >general customer, so the telnet part of your message didn't register. > >There was an 'rsh' or restricted shell a while back... I don't >see it on our recent systems though. Trial and error using >.profile, .login, .cshrc, or globals for csh shell, >/etc/csh.cshrc /etc/.csh.login might help. I might be wrong, but didn't someone say this could be done with telnet as well? It would require files to be copied under the chroot in a structure similiar to the system. Mail would be a problem, if it resided on the same system. Certainly a desirable thing to do for shell users and would save time chmod'ing files and directories. Time to dig back now... Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking mountin.man@mixcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 19:34:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA26783 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:34:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tsi.gte.com ([205.174.176.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA26778 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 19:34:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from smorris@tsi.gte.com) Received: from iiohab.tsi.gte.com by tsi.gte.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01953; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:38:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:33:06 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Morris To: alex@comsys.com Cc: Adrian Filipi-Martin , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: chroot In-Reply-To: <34D0EDD6.1FB2@comsys.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 alex@comsys.com wrote: [snip] > There was an 'rsh' or restricted shell a while back... I don't > see it on our recent systems though. Trial and error using > .profile, .login, .cshrc, or globals for csh shell, > /etc/csh.cshrc /etc/.csh.login might help. > [big snip] I have been using a shell called resh with great success. It provides the chroot environment and is configurable as to what commands etc are available from within the shell. I don't recall the exact site I got it from but give ftp.eunet.sk/archive/unix/sysadmin a try. If you can't find it let me know and I'll be happy to send a copy. I lost the original poster in the quotes, sorry. Scott ----- Scott Morris GTE Telecommunication Services Inc. Information Security smorris@tsi.gte.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 29 22:06:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA28645 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:06:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from electric.tbe.net (electric.tbe.net [208.208.122.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA28640 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 22:06:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: (qmail 8760 invoked from network); 30 Jan 1998 06:02:03 -0000 Received: from shock.tbe.net (gary@208.208.122.6) by electric.tbe.net with SMTP; 30 Jan 1998 06:02:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 01:03:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" cc: Troy Settle , "(ML) FreeBSD ISP" Subject: Re: filesystems In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980129142553.0070374c@198.137.186.100> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" > >Is there a commercial *nix that can be used as an NFS server, but with no > >local services? so that mail would be read/writen to from seperate > >smtp/pop/shell servers without a problem? > > Wouldn't IMAP handle mail and shell on separate servers. Just an opinion... We have a bunch of smaller servers handling separate duties, but the most important are: Mail server 6x86-166, 32MB RAM, 1 GB SCSI Shell/Web Server 6x86-166, 64MB RAM, 4.3 GB UW SCSI The mail server chugs along nicely... we run Q-mail and pass through about 5000 mails/day (not really much in the larger scale of things, but not bad). The box has 64 MB of swap space, and it never touches it. There is about a 750 MB /home, and we have it set up to store all mail in /home/{user}/Mailbox rather than /var/mail. Works fine, please don't ask why it is set this way... I really never had an answer myself... The Shell/Web server runs well, we get about 5000 hits/day for the couple domains we have and our users pages, and it gets used a bit for shell services. We have it partitioned like so: / 50M /var 50M /home 3.5G /tmp 64M swap 128M /usr ~350M Speed isn't a problem, and it barely uses its swap. All users are allowed access to it, and they read al their mail there, almost all use pine. No one is allowed access to the mail server, so they either read via pop, or we have IMAP set up on the shell server. IMAP works quite well, and it interfaces nicely with Q-mail with the current patches. The only complaint we have with it is the fact that whenever you try to open your Inbox in Pine, you are prompted for a username and password. It is a valid idea, after all you need a password when you get it via POP, but if you mistype your password, it takes a while for it to bring back a prompt. Also, it prompts every time you go into retreive your mail, unlike a POP reader which will check every once in a while and save the password. To make pine work with it, all you have to do is add the lines: smtp-server=mail.yourdomain.com inbox-path={mail.yourdomain.com}Mailbox to your pine.conf or pine.conf.fixed, and when pine opens, it will automatically head to the mail server and ask for a login. Now, on the shell server, you want all mail obviously to go out the mail server rather than get delivered locally and defeat the purpose of having a separate mail server. I'm not sure how you configure sendmail to do it, but for us, since we use Q-mail, we had to create a file in /var/qmail/control called 'smtproutes'. and in that file all you put is the line: :mail.yourdomain.com and all mail will go through the mail server rather than try to get delivered locally. As long as popper and imap are installed and called from inetd, all should work. Sorry to blab, but hope this helps in some way... ;) ______________________________________________________________ -Gary Margiotta Voice: (973) 835-9696 TBE Internet Services Fax: (973) 256-4605 http://www.tbe.net E-Mail: gary@tbe.net From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 30 06:51:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12267 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:51:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wicked.eaznet.com (wicked.eaznet.com [209.75.156.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12262 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 06:51:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eddie@eaznet.com) Received: from eaznet.com (as1-33.eaznet.com [209.75.156.237]) by wicked.eaznet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA16449; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:53:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34D1E93A.C91D6A1F@eaznet.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 07:52:42 -0700 From: Eddie Fry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Morris CC: alex@comsys.com, Adrian Filipi-Martin , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: chroot References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" Adrian, It was me. I would definitely be interested. I'll check the link and let you know if I don't find it. Mostly, I was just looking for something simple to allow users to access their own directories for file manipulation, not mail or anything. But, a totally workable, secure environment would help me sleep better at night. Thanks to all who responded. I'll let you know how it goes. Eddie Scott Morris wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 alex@comsys.com wrote: > [snip] > > There was an 'rsh' or restricted shell a while back... I don't > > see it on our recent systems though. Trial and error using > > .profile, .login, .cshrc, or globals for csh shell, > > /etc/csh.cshrc /etc/.csh.login might help. > > > [big snip] > > I have been using a shell called resh with great success. It provides the > chroot environment and is configurable as to what commands etc are > available from within the shell. I don't recall the exact site I got it > from but give ftp.eunet.sk/archive/unix/sysadmin a try. > > If you can't find it let me know and I'll be happy to send a copy. I lost > the original poster in the quotes, sorry. > > Scott > > ----- > Scott Morris > GTE Telecommunication Services Inc. > Information Security > smorris@tsi.gte.com -- Eddie Fry eddie@eaznet.com EAZNet Internet Services http://www.eaznet.com 220 West 7th Street (520) 348-0292 Safford, AZ 85546 EAZing you into the future... There is only one success -- to be able to spend your life in your own way. -Christopher Morley From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 30 12:30:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11809 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:30:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11753 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:30:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jerdfelt@broken.eng.mindspring.net) Received: from broken.eng.mindspring.net (broken.eng.mindspring.net [207.69.192.150]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA10758 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1513 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Jan 1998 20:30:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19980130153024.29770@eng.mindspring.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:30:24 -0500 From: Johannes Erdfelt To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: annoucing default route via gated Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" I have 2 machine which I want to announce a default route into a network. One is Linux and the other is FreeBSD. The Linux machine successfully announces a default route onto the network, whereas the FreeBSD machine will annouce any route, EXCEPT for the default. These are with practically identical configuration files (interface names and metrics are different). Here's the config file I use, with the IP's changed since this is a firewall :) traceoptions "/var/log/gated" replace size 100k files 2 general ; interfaces { interface all passive ; } ; rip yes { interface all version 2 ; interface 192.168.192.3 noripin ripout version 2 ; traceoptions detail send packets ; } ; static { default gateway 192.168.142.1 preference 1 ; } ; export proto rip interface 192.168.192.3 { proto static { default ; } ; proto direct { 192.168.142.0 ; } ; } ; The 192.168.142.0 route is mainly to see if it actually sends a packet. (I've tried both with and without it) The end result is to have the Linux machine announce a default route with a metric 1 and the FreeBSD machine with a metric 2. It can be reversed since they are identical machines. I'd just like to get it to work. Now when I look at the /var/log/gated, I see this: Jan 30 15:13:09 RIP SENT 192.168.192.3 -> 224.0.0.9+520 vers 2, cmd Response, length 24 192.168.142/255.255.255 router 192.168.192.3 metric 1 tag 0000 RIP SENT end of packet The default route is absent. I've looked all through dumps and gated does indeed see the default route and it's in the export list, however it never adds it to the packet it sends out. The Linux machine with a virtually identical configuration works flawlessly. Does anyone have any idea why won't this work under FreeBSD? JE From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 30 20:36:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11006 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:36:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from clifford.inch.com (omar@clifford.inch.com [207.240.140.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10998 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 20:36:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from omar@clifford.inch.com) Received: (from omar@localhost) by clifford.inch.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA30179; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:33:47 -0500 Message-ID: <19980130233347.07030@clifford.inch.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 23:33:47 -0500 From: Omar Thameen To: "Aaron D. Gifford" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SQL choice questions. References: <027301bd2ce2$05517f20$0f3d31cc@electron.nuc.net> <3.0.3.32.19980129140755.033893e0@infowest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980129140755.033893e0@infowest.com>; from Aaron D. Gifford on Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 02:07:55PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" On Thu, Jan 29, 1998 at 02:07:55PM -0700, Aaron D. Gifford wrote: > At 12:16 PM 1/29/98 -0600, you wrote: > >We're going to be implementing PHP with one of the SQL's out there, and I > >was curious on recommendations for the SQL. I've looked at both MySQL and > >PostgreSQL, and (for now) will be picking from one of those. > > > >Can anyone give me recommendations on either or both? (If you've used both, > >what you found for pros and cons on each) > > > >Of course, if one it flat out better, I'd like to know that, too. > > > >Jaime Bozza > >Nucleus Communications, Inc. > > I don't know about Postgress, but MySQL has been an EXCELLENT performer > with PHP/FI 2.0 and PHP 3.0beta for us. It seems I recall someone with > MySQL claiming benchmark performance superior to Postgress, but I'm not sure. Check on the MySQL homepage (http://www.tcx.se) - there's a link to a bunch of benchmarks if performance is an issue for you. FYI, we use MySQL. It performs well and has a nice license agreement. Omar From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 30 21:06:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA14393 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:06:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ymris.ddm.on.ca (cisco4-200.cas.golden.net [207.6.168.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA14195; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 21:04:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dchapes@ddm.on.ca) Received: from squigy.ddm.on.ca (squigy.ddm.on.ca [209.47.139.138]) by ymris.ddm.on.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA03419; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:04:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dchapes@ymris.ddm.on.ca) From: Dave Chapeskie Received: (from dchapes@localhost) by squigy.ddm.on.ca (8.8.8/8.8.7) id AAA03033; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:04:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980131000402.29261@ddm.on.ca> Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 00:04:02 -0500 To: Omar Thameen Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-database@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SQL choice questions. Reply-To: freebsd-database@FreeBSD.ORG References: <027301bd2ce2$05517f20$0f3d31cc@electron.nuc.net> <3.0.3.32.19980129140755.033893e0@infowest.com> <19980130233347.07030@clifford.inch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <19980130233347.07030@clifford.inch.com>; from Omar Thameen on Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 11:33:47PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" [BTW, this belongs in freebsd-database, send all replies there] On Fri, Jan 30, 1998 at 11:33:47PM -0500, Omar Thameen wrote: > Check on the MySQL homepage (http://www.tcx.se) - there's a link to a > bunch of benchmarks if performance is an issue for you. FYI, we use > MySQL. It performs well and has a nice license agreement. Take those benchmarks with a huge grain of salt. They've been discussed recently on the PgSQL mailing lists (with the guy who did the benchmarks participating in the discussion). The impression I got was that his only experience with PgSQL was to get it to run the benchmarks and that he doesn't understand how the PgSQL 'vacuum' command is used in the real world. I'm also not sure how well he understands how large RDBMS systems are used. IMHO, if all you want is simple single table lookups then msql or MySQL may be fine but if you want something free that approaches a real RDBMS then go for PostgreSQL. -- Dave Chapeskie, DDM Consulting E-Mail: dchapes@ddm.on.ca From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 31 09:16:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05351 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:16:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05341 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 09:16:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA10412; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:20:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980131122042.00e82c60@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:20:44 -0500 To: Ronald Wiplinger From: dennis Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space Cc: "John T. Farmer" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" At 09:00 AM 1/29/98 +0800, you wrote: > > > >I suggest to send the missing parts. I paid for a full set of card. I know >that you like to give the ball to other site, including ignoring a long >time the request. > >I will strengthen the request more and more. So if you want to stay in >business, do something: > >1. keep your tone down to a level that is acceptable for the customer. > >2. delievery complete product, including manual, diskette and all screws, >... > > > >Keep watching, I post now in newsgroups about you. Be sure I get what I >paid for. Hopefully your company is that long alive. However even not, >than each new employeer will know if they should stay away from you or >not. Well, we had the biggest month in our history in January...the only thing that you are doing is destroying your own credibiltiy....you know those newsgroups get archived for eternity and your whining will be accessable in the search engines for many years to come. What vendor would want to deal with such an insignificant spec as yourself who would do what you're doing over a cable screw? Perhaps next year Webster's will add "Wiplinger" as a synonym to "cry-baby" in their slang edition. db From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 31 14:21:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16237 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:21:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [209.150.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16229 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:21:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: from localhost (shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA07564 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:19:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:19:59 -0800 (PST) From: Shawn Ramsey To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Radiusd password expiration? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" Is there a proper way to expire passwords in Radiusd? Adding a non-existent dictionary word, will do the trick(keep them from logging in). Is there a feature in radius for this? There is Password-Expiration, what is the purpose of this, and what is the syntax? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 31 16:48:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10344 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:48:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10331 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:48:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id BAA15464; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 01:30:20 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id BAA21866; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 01:18:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980201011847.12880@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 01:18:47 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: andrew@pubnix.net, "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Cc: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space References: <199801280614.WAA01700@MindBender.serv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Webster on Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 08:14:13AM -0500 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" On Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 08:14:13AM -0500, Andrew Webster wrote: > > I fail to see the difference. Whether /usr OR /var fills up, the machine > will be brought to its knees. Only the OS resides in /usr. A separate /var stabilizes much. I assume accounts go to something like /home ! QUOTA might help you, that users have a limited amount of space for mailboxes. > Until FreeBSD has something like AIX's extenisble file system, the /var > partition, while it's concept noble, is rather useless since it can't be > grown as needed. You can buy a 9 GB disk and mount it as /var/spool/mail. > The bottom line is no matter how well you plan in adanvce, you MAY end up > with /var overflow if you are hosting many mail boxes, UUCP feeds, and so > forth. Yes, so consequently spread these services over many machines or disks. -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 31 16:49:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10435 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:49:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10375 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:49:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id BAA15463; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 01:30:17 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id BAA21236; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 01:13:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980201011332.58317@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 01:13:32 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Alan Batie , John Kelly Cc: jack@germanium.xtalwind.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space References: <34d4bf15.15742383@mail.cetlink.net> <19980127222309.17450@agora.rdrop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <19980127222309.17450@agora.rdrop.com>; from Alan Batie on Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 10:23:09PM -0800 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 10:23:09PM -0800, Alan Batie wrote: > On Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 05:22:44AM +0000, John Kelly wrote: > > >> I see little benefit in a partition dedicated to /var. > > > > > >I do. I like the fact that the / partition, with the critical system > > >files, is not written to each time a log entry is made > > > > Please read the message again. Root (/) will still have its own > > parition. The separate /var partition is the one we're suggesting to > > eliminate by consolidating it inside /usr. > > The same applies to /usr; if you want to combine filesystems, combine > / and /usr; /var is highly dynamic, whereas without too much trouble ^^^^^^^^^^ > / and /usr could be made R/O, which would greatly simplify upgrades. but then /usr/local should become a separate filesystem ... /usr/local is highly dynamic as well, if you work with ports. -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 31 16:49:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10667 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:49:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10648 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:49:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id BAA15458; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 01:30:05 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id BAA21225; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 01:11:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980201011125.29929@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 01:11:25 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Jeff Lynch , jack Cc: Greg Lehey , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Jeff Lynch on Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 10:32:57AM -0600 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" On Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 10:32:57AM -0600, Jeff Lynch wrote: > Exactly. Wisdom of the ages...way back in the days when heads > blew a couple times a year. Eventhough disk technology is more reliable > these days, I still fully believe in keeping /, /usr, and /var as > separate file systems. It's much faster and easier to rebuild separate > filesystems anyway and it's easier to plan your backups. I > even separate /home, and a second local filesystem ... / is a memory filesystem here at my site. /var should be large enough, to hold - logfiles (think about http statistics as well) - mail spool - kernel dumps - printer queues - ... Creating separate filesystems for /usr/obj can be an advantage for fast writing/removing temporary files and directory during the build process of the operating system ... On /usr I wouldn't trust the asynchronous mount option ;-) News should get a partition of it's own, because you need more inodes and I'd think about setting the fs up with 4096/512 block-/fragsize. /dev/sd0a on / (local) /dev/sd0s2f on /usr (local) /dev/sd0s2e on /var (local) /dev/ccd0c on /obj (asynchronous, local, noatime) /dev/ccd1c on /news (local, noatime) /dev/ccd2c on /www (local, noatime) /dev/ccd3c on /home (local) procfs on /proc (local) kernfs on /kern (local) mfs:36 on /tmp (asynchronous, local, noatime) Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/sd0a 31743 18567 10637 64% / /dev/sd0s2f 1029135 915739 31066 97% /usr /dev/sd0s2e 127023 24972 91890 21% /var /dev/ccd0c 198327 1 182460 0% /obj /dev/ccd1c 198327 28555 153906 16% /news /dev/ccd2c 99055 29580 61551 32% /www /dev/ccd3c 3400078 2094333 1033739 67% /home procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc kernfs 1 1 0 100% /kern mfs:36 30991 14 28498 0% /tmp And no, sysinstall shouldn't do a dummy installation, which creats "lame" links, only because people don't plan their internet sites correctly. -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 31 17:34:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18894 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:34:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18833 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:33:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29482; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:03:26 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA07892; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:03:25 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980201120325.14137@lemis.com> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:03:25 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Andreas Klemm Cc: Alan Batie , John Kelly , jack@germanium.xtalwind.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail - low on space References: <34d4bf15.15742383@mail.cetlink.net> <19980127222309.17450@agora.rdrop.com> <19980201011332.58317@klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <19980201011332.58317@klemm.gtn.com>; from Andreas Klemm on Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 01:13:32AM +0100 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" On Sun, Feb 01, 1998 at 01:13:32AM +0100, Andreas Klemm wrote: > On Tue, Jan 27, 1998 at 10:23:09PM -0800, Alan Batie wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 05:22:44AM +0000, John Kelly wrote: >>>>> I see little benefit in a partition dedicated to /var. >>>> >>>> I do. I like the fact that the / partition, with the critical system >>>> files, is not written to each time a log entry is made >>> >>> Please read the message again. Root (/) will still have its own >>> parition. The separate /var partition is the one we're suggesting to >>> eliminate by consolidating it inside /usr. >> >> The same applies to /usr; if you want to combine filesystems, combine >> / and /usr; /var is highly dynamic, whereas without too much trouble > ^^^^^^^^^^ >> / and /usr could be made R/O, which would greatly simplify upgrades. > > but then /usr/local should become a separate filesystem ... > /usr/local is highly dynamic as well, if you work with ports. Working with ports doesn't mean installing new ones every day. I "work with ports" too, but it's been 9 days since I changed /usr/local/bin. I wouldn't call that "highly dynamic". I think it depends a lot on your installation. I still see little benefit in three partitions on a single disk. The idea of a read-only root file system and no separate /usr isn't bad, though. Sadly, though you can "update" a mount from read-only to write (for example, to add a port), you can't "update" it back to read-only. I suppose this is a thing we should improve on. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 31 23:40:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02596 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:40:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wopr.inetu.net (wopr.inetu.net [207.18.13.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA02591 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:40:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dev@wopr.inetu.net) Received: from localhost (dev@localhost) by wopr.inetu.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA18778; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 02:47:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 02:47:43 -0500 (EST) From: Dev Chanchani To: alex@comsys.com cc: Adrian Filipi-Martin , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: chroot In-Reply-To: <34D0EDD6.1FB2@comsys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org X-To-Unsubscribe: mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" bash2 has a "restricted shell option" man bash2 and look for restricted. If you invoke it as rbash it will apply certain restrictions like not let the user cd, etc. Dev Chanchani - INetU, Inc.(tm) - http://www.INetU.net Electronic commerce - Web development - Web hosting dev@INetU.net - Phone: (610) 266-7441 On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 alex@comsys.com wrote: > Adrian, > > I'm sorry, "to the man with a hammer everything appears a nail." > > My solution does not address your telnet problem. We recently > fixed a chroot problem with ftp, and not telnet. My mistake. > > We never allow any telnet access to our system for the > general customer, so the telnet part of your message didn't register. > > There was an 'rsh' or restricted shell a while back... I don't > see it on our recent systems though. Trial and error using > .profile, .login, .cshrc, or globals for csh shell, > /etc/csh.cshrc /etc/.csh.login might help. > > > -Alex > > Adrian T. Filipi-Martin wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I can find reference to /etc/ftpchroot, but not /etc/chroot. > > Could you give me a pointer to the proper manpage? I cann't find one that > > mentions it. > > > > thanks, > > > > Adrian > > > > On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 alex@comsys.com wrote: > > > > > Put him in /etc/chroot, create a ~usr/bin/date ~usr/bin/ls, ls and > > > date should have the same perms as the ~ftp/bin versions. Else > > > recompile ftpd with internal support for ls and date. > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > > > Charlie & wrote: > > > > > > > > I have a customer who is somewhat objectionable to some of my other > > > > customers. How do I use chroot to automatically set a users root directory to > > > > his home directory everytime they telnet in? Do I create a file (ie:ush) that > > > > executes the chroot command then the shell program (ie: /bin/sh) then change > > > > all of my users to use the new shell (ush)? Is there a better way? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > Eddie > > > > > > > Adrian > > -- > > adrian@virginia.edu ---->>>>| If I were stranded on a desert island, and > > System Administrator --->>>| I could only have one OS for my computer, > > Neurosurgical Visualzation Lab -->>| it would be FreeBSD. Think about it..... > > http://www.nvl.virginia.edu/ ->| http://www.freebsd.org/ > 1111111 >