From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 20 08:27:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24815 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:27:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA24791 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:27:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luiz@nlink.com.br) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA08126 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:27:22 -0300 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 13:27:22 -0300 (EST) From: Luiz de Barros To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PPTP and Compaq/Microcom 4000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear All, I have a Compaq Microcom 4000 System that will be connected to an ISDN PRI E1 line. The process of authentication for dial-in users is done via PPTP by an ethernet connection. They say it works with NT4.0 + RAS + Microsoft PPTP server (urgh ;;;!) As we do not want to use NT IS there any PPTP server solution for FreeBSD or Any flavour of Unix? Luiz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Dec 20 09:10:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29265 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 09:10:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailhost.clipper.net (mailhost.clipper.net [207.109.253.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29259 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 09:10:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tim@clipper.net) Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by mailhost.clipper.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA16741; Sun, 20 Dec 1998 09:10:16 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 09:10:16 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Wolfe To: Luiz de Barros cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PPTP and Compaq/Microcom 4000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 20 Dec 1998, Luiz de Barros wrote: > They say it works with NT4.0 + RAS + Microsoft PPTP server (urgh ;;;!) > As we do not want to use NT IS there any PPTP server solution for FreeBSD > or Any flavour of Unix? I searched for a similar piece of software about 2 months ago. Although I can not say positively that this does not exist, I was unable to locate such a program after about 2 weeks of looking.. Tim ---------------------------------------------------- Timothy M. Wolfe | Why surf when you can Sail? tim@clipper.net | Join Oregon's Premier Sr. Network Engineer | Wireless Internet Provider! ClipperNet Corporation | http://www.clipper.net/ ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 21 01:34:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA28321 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 01:34:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Guard.PolyNet.Lviv.UA (Guard.PolyNet.Lviv.UA [194.44.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA28293 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 01:34:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pam@polynet.lviv.ua) From: pam@polynet.lviv.ua Received: (qmail 27912 invoked by alias); 21 Dec 1998 09:33:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 27904 invoked from network); 21 Dec 1998 09:33:39 -0000 Received: from postoffice.polynet.lviv.ua (194.44.138.1) by guard.polynet.lviv.ua with SMTP; 21 Dec 1998 09:33:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 14174 invoked by uid 1001); 21 Dec 1998 09:33:38 -0000 Date: 21 Dec 1998 11:33:38 +0200 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:33:37 +0200 (EET) X-Sender: pam@NetSurfer.lp.lviv.ua To: Julian Elischer cc: Steve Ames , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Transparent Proxy: FBSD 3.0, Squid and NAT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 17 Dec 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > If you are using FreeBSD 3.0 then why not use the kernel's built-in > transproxy support? Can somebody post sample code for using that kernel-level transparent proxy support? It seems to lack documentation on this feature :-( Do I have just to invoke getsockname() to get real destination IP/port or what? Thanks in advance. > what machine is the proxy server running on? If on the gateway machine, > then all you need is the firewall rule: > > ipfw add 2 fwd 127.0.0.1,3128 tcp from any to 0.0.0.0/0 80 in recv ed1 out > xmit ed0 > > where ed0 is your internet interface, and ed1 is your internal interface > 3128 is the squid listenning port. > > your kernel needs option IPFIREWALL_FORWARD Adrian Pavlykevych email: System Administrator phone/fax: +380 (322) 742041 State University "Lvivska Polytechnica" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 21 04:35:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA17874 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 04:35:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17869 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 04:35:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA31305 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:35:05 GMT Message-ID: <367E4077.423AF797@tdx.co.uk> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:35:03 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IPFW, logging and Syslog Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there any way of getting Syslog not to do the following: /kernel: ipfw: 9600 Deny TCP 192.168.19.187:55008 192.168.177.2:23 in via fxp0 last message repeated 3 times I'd really like to see the 'deny' rule written 3 times rather than "Last message repeated 3 times"... I know why it writes the "repeated" lines, but I don't think this is such a good idea for IPFW... If theres no switches - Does anyone see the need for a switch/setup for this? - i.e. worst case if this is going to be a 'private hack' or something other people are interested in... :) -Kp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 21 07:26:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04514 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:26:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from commnet.accn.org (commnet.accn.org [207.73.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04509 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:26:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ryanm@accn.org) Received: from accn.org (nt1.accn.org [207.73.64.8]) by commnet.accn.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA19535 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:26:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <367E6842.B3026A35@accn.org> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:24:50 -0500 From: ryanm X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Popstats Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I could not find a popstats script so I wrote one myself. It is probably not the quickest implementation but it works. If you are interested in it email me privately and I will sent the perl code. The information extracted is appended to this message. If anyone has any ideas where I can post this script to I would appreciate it as I am sure there are prob many admin's out there who need the same type of stat's. Ryan Report from December 13 TO December 20 ============ SERVER POP3 Stat's ============ Overall: Connections: 73158 Messages Read: 40478 Bytes Read: 1230469864 Timeouts: 174 Lockfiles: 392 Averages: Bytes Per Connection: 16819.3 Messages Per Connection: 0.6 Average Message Size: 30398.5 ====== Users Receiving Lockfile Busy Errors ====== =============================== Username Lockfiles Encountered =============================== USERNAME ##### ====== Users with Bad Passwords ===== ============================================ Username Failures ============================================ USERNAME ###### ====== Top 30 users to Connect ========= ======================== Username Connections ======================== USERNAME ####### ====== Top 30 users in terms of Bytes Trasmitted ====== ==================== Username Bytes ==================== USERNAME BYTES ====== Top 30 users in terms of Messages Read ====== ==================== Username Messages ==================== USERNAME ###### To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 21 10:10:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28335 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:10:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from amber.eaznet.com (amber.eaznet.com [216.19.20.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28327 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:10:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eddie@eaznet.com) Received: from eaznet.com (admin.eaznet.com [216.19.20.16]) by amber.eaznet.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10060; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:13:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <367E8CF7.771FC47@eaznet.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:01:27 -0700 From: Eddie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ulf@Alameda.net CC: Administrator , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID 5 References: <367AEE9F.16FA1555@eaznet.com> <19981218165918.A17687@TelcoSucks.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ooops! Sorry! Eddie Ulf Zimmermann wrote: > On Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 05:09:03PM -0700, Eddie wrote: > > To the best of my knowledge, Mylex controllers are not supported, only DPT. > > The first thing I'd do is check out DPT's web site. They also have a > > knowledgable tech support staff. You might want to send them an e-mail to > > see what they suggest. > > He is talking about the Mylex 960XSI, whcih are SCSI-2-SCSI and are supported > fine, as they present itself as one disk. > > > > > Eddie > > > > Administrator wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I'm wanting to setup a centralized Raid 5 disk array... I would like to > > > use something along the lines of the Mylex 960SXI. > > > > > > I'm new to RAID setups as a whole, so I need some info as to what parts > > > are needed, what goes where, etc. > > > > > > Has anyone configured a system with the 960SXI that would be willing to > > > give me some detailed info on installation, etc.? It would be much > > > appreciated. > > > > > > I would like to have a 960SXI (or better, per reccomendation) with a > > > single drive array (7 drives, for now). I'm obviously going to need the > > > drive chassis, drives, cabling, and Mylex controller... but would > > > appreciate more specifics as well as cautions/warnings. > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > -- > > Eddie Fry > > EAZNet Internet Services > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > -- > Regards, Ulf. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-769-2936 > Alameda Networks, Inc. | http://www.Alameda.net | Fax#: 510-521-5073 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Eddie Fry EAZNet Internet Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 21 10:47:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03454 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:47:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.seidata.com (ns1.seidata.com [208.10.211.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03447 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:47:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@seidata.com) From: mike@seidata.com Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by ns1.seidata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05402 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:39:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 13:39:24 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID 5 (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Administrator wrote: > He is talking about the Mylex 960XSI, whcih are SCSI-2-SCSI and are supported > fine, as they present itself as one disk. Which is what ftp.freebsd.org is running, correct? I figure if the Mylex can handle the load at ftp.freebsd.org, it can handle anything I'll throw its way. :) I'd really appreciate a technical rundown from anyone already successfully running a similar config... cabling/housing requirements, cooling setups, system connectiviy, etc. Thanks for your reply... the reason I wasn't more clear as to specifying the SCSI-2-SCSI model is that I'm not sure what I want/need... ;) -- Mike Hoskins System/Network Administrator SEI Data Network Services, Inc. http://www.seidata.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 21 11:36:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10468 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:36:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10453 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:36:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA19041; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:34:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:34:02 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: George Wenzel cc: richard , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Usenet performance issues (was Re: RAID solutions?) In-Reply-To: <367A135D.471A@realtime.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We're currently using Dnews, and we're happy with it for the most part, our news machine was up and running for 344 days before I had to put more memory in... We are also considering moving to Typhoon, as it has support for external anti-spam progs, and it lets us specify which hierarchies go where, which would be a great help to us. The only problem is, it only runs on 3.0... Anyone have any experience with this product under FreeBSD? Dnews has been very stable, but I really like some of the additional features Typhoon has. Thanks, Charles --- Charles Sprickman spork@super-g.com On Fri, 18 Dec 1998, George Wenzel wrote: > richard wrote: > > > > > > I came across a ISP using DNEWS, whenever I access a group, my requests > > will be placed into a long queue waiting for a long long fetching the > > group ....... I didn't like it and left the ISP. > > > > Surely, as the administrator or owner of ISP , people love DNEWS, but > > as a user, you might have different view over the DNEWS. > > > Actually, there are a lot of ways to use Dnews. > > Dnews has lots of options I simply don't use. I am using Dnews in the > same way I was using INN. I do peer to peer NNTP, and users read live > hot news. > > Dnews has the option to use a "sucking" feed. A sucking feed emulates > a user while connecting to the upstream site. For someone with a > small number of users, this is MUCH more efficient than a full feed. > however if you provide feeds, or have enough users that sucking is > impractical, you simply don't use it. > > I tested the sucking feed against my INN server when I first evaluated > Dnews. I agree with the theory behind it, but I could tell within > a few minutes that I didn't want that. I have thousands of users > trained > to expect news on demand, and the sucking feed configuration would have > been unexciting to them. > > I'd write your experience off as an inexperienced ISP making a > management decision destined for unpopularity. Just because you > /can/ shoot yourself in the foot doesn't mean you should. > > I guess that is the universal caveat... Your milage is dependant on how > YOU drive more than what you drive. > > Few of the complaints I get about news have anything to do with the > server. In fact, I can't think of any complaints that were because > of the software. Perhaps complaints on how I configured expire or > something, but then not everyone understands that carrying a month > of binaries is impractical. My largest problems have been that the > whole thing seems clogged and poorly managed... Usenet that is... but > I wouldn't have it any other way ;) > > > George > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 21 12:36:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21000 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:36:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail1.realtime.net (mail1.realtime.net [205.238.128.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA20942 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:36:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gee2@realtime.net) Received: (qmail 8380 invoked from network); 21 Dec 1998 20:34:23 -0000 Received: from pit.bga.com (HELO pit) (205.238.164.35) by mail1.realtime.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 1998 20:34:23 -0000 Message-ID: <367EB18D.47B0@realtime.net> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:37:33 -0600 From: George Wenzel Reply-To: gee2@realtime.net Organization: Real/Time Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: spork CC: richard , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Usenet performance issues (was Re: RAID solutions?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org spork wrote: > > We're currently using Dnews, and we're happy with it for the most part, > our news machine was up and running for 344 days before I had to put more > memory in... We are also considering moving to Typhoon, as it has support > for external anti-spam progs, and it lets us specify which hierarchies go > where, which would be a great help to us. > > The only problem is, it only runs on 3.0... Anyone have any experience > with this product under FreeBSD? Dnews has been very stable, but I really > like some of the additional features Typhoon has. > Did you ask the Dnews guys to add a feature or two? Last time I told them I needed a feature, they added it before I was ready to use it. It might be easier than switching. The transaction went something like this... I sent a mail request asking for what I needed, then went on to explain why everyone really needed the feature. Two days later I got a mail message saying they would think about it and get back to me, then about 8 hours after that I got a mail message saying "download a beta with your new feature at http://..." Current word is new features are on delay untill January, due to the holiday. But it is clear that their policy is to try to do anything that is asked of them. If you are already using their product, and are moving to another just because of a feature or two, you should ask them. On the other hand, Typhoon does sound like a good product... George To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 21 12:50:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22887 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:50:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22659 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:50:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jer@jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jer@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA27705; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:50:05 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:50:04 -0600 (CST) From: Jeremy Shaffner Reply-To: Jeremy Shaffner To: Karl Pielorz cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Alternate ipfw log file (Re: IPFW, logging and Syslog) In-Reply-To: <367E4077.423AF797@tdx.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org While we're on the subject of IPFW logging, how do you get ipfw to log to a file other than messages? -Jeremy On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Karl Pielorz wrote: > Is there any way of getting Syslog not to do the following: > > /kernel: ipfw: 9600 Deny TCP 192.168.19.187:55008 192.168.177.2:23 in via fxp0 > last message repeated 3 times > > I'd really like to see the 'deny' rule written 3 times rather than "Last > message repeated 3 times"... > > I know why it writes the "repeated" lines, but I don't think this is such a > good idea for IPFW... > > If theres no switches - Does anyone see the need for a switch/setup for this? > - i.e. worst case if this is going to be a 'private hack' or something other > people are interested in... :) > > -Kp > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > -===================================================================- Jeremy Shaffner JORSM Internet Senior Technical Support Northwest Indiana's Premium jer@jorsm.com Internet Service Provider support@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com -===================================================================- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 21 17:39:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27842 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:39:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27826 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:38:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA35221; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:38:51 GMT Message-ID: <367EF82A.C28ADE64@tdx.co.uk> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 01:38:50 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Shaffner CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alternate ipfw log file (Re: IPFW, logging and Syslog) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeremy Shaffner wrote: > > While we're on the subject of IPFW logging, how do you get ipfw to log to > a file other than messages? > > -Jeremy Good question... I guess /etc/syslog.conf, but as to exactly what to put in there, I don't know... A lot of our machines run with "*.* /var/log/messages" - I'll see if I can find out while I'm looking at Syslog... I'd guess the IPFW.'message repeated' hack is going to be nasty(ish) as no one else seems interested... I'll let you know if I find anything out... -Kp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 21 18:09:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA01938 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:09:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01931 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:09:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16739; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:59:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpdf16737; Tue Dec 22 01:59:44 1998 Message-ID: <367EFD0D.794BDF32@whistle.com> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:59:41 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karl Pielorz CC: Jeremy Shaffner , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alternate ipfw log file (Re: IPFW, logging and Syslog) References: <367EF82A.C28ADE64@tdx.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Karl Pielorz wrote: > > Jeremy Shaffner wrote: > > > > While we're on the subject of IPFW logging, how do you get ipfw to log to > > a file other than messages? > > > > -Jeremy > > Good question... I guess /etc/syslog.conf, but as to exactly what to put in > there, I don't know... A lot of our machines run with "*.* /var/log/messages" > - I'll see if I can find out while I'm looking at Syslog... the syslog.conf(5) man page gives an example of ipfw messages being sent to a separate file.. > > I'd guess the IPFW.'message repeated' hack is going to be nasty(ish) as no one > else seems interested... > > I'll let you know if I find anything out... > > -Kp > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 21 19:08:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08842 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:08:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aniwa.sky (p42-max7.wlg.ihug.co.nz [209.79.142.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08832 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:08:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by aniwa.sky (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA25441; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:07:03 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:07:02 +1300 (NZDT) From: Andrew McNaughton X-Sender: andrew@aniwa.sky Reply-To: andrew@squiz.co.nz To: Karl Pielorz cc: Jeremy Shaffner , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alternate ipfw log file (Re: IPFW, logging and Syslog) In-Reply-To: <367EF82A.C28ADE64@tdx.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, Karl Pielorz wrote: > Jeremy Shaffner wrote: > > > > While we're on the subject of IPFW logging, how do you get ipfw to log to > > a file other than messages? > > > > -Jeremy > > Good question... I guess /etc/syslog.conf, but as to exactly what to put in > there, I don't know... A lot of our machines run with "*.* /var/log/messages" > - I'll see if I can find out while I'm looking at Syslog... It's in the example in "man syslog.conf". !ipfw *.* /var/log/ipfw > I'd guess the IPFW.'message repeated' hack is going to be nasty(ish) as no one > else seems interested... There's a good reason for this behaviour - it helps to stop DOS due to your disk being filled. IPFW does have it's own mechanism for this of course. It's pretty trivial to filter your logs to expand out those 'message repeated' messages. You lose a little bit of detail in your time stamps, but it might give you what you need in order to run it through some other processing stage. #!/usr/local/bin/perl $|=1; while (<>) { if (/^.{15} \w+ last message repeated (\d+) times$/ ) { for (1..$1) {print $last} } else { $last = $_; print; } } The alternative would be to hack /usr/src/usr.sbin/syslogd/syslogd.c and modify the condition found at line 698 (in my 2.2.7-RELEASE source). You could either just disable the conditional, disable if a command line flag is set, or disable if (strcmp(prog, "ipfw") ==0). Depends exactly what you're trying to accomplish. Andrew McNaughton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 21 19:13:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10045 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:13:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from excala.netpacq.com ([208.239.156.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA10038 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:13:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@netpacq.com) Received: from [208.239.156.4] by excala.netpacq.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/1d.aafj) with ESMTP id pa031163 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:24:56 +0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19981221182408.00a63a60@mail.netpacq.com> X-Sender: paul@mail.netpacq.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:24:39 -0800 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Paul Subject: test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org this is a test Best regards, Paul Jacobs Full NT 4.0/IIS 4.0 Servers. Commerce Service Provider (CSP) Internet Presence Provider (IPP) http://www.netpacq.com mailto:paul@netpacq.com "We are Microsoft. Resistance Is Futile. You Will Be assimilated" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 21 19:34:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13237 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:34:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silk.net (music.silk.net [206.12.206.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13221 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:34:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eddie@silk.net) Received: from Support3 (support3.silk.net [204.244.106.70]) by silk.net (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id TAA13092; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:34:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981221193534.006e17f4@silk.net> X-Sender: eddie@silk.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:35:34 -0800 To: Paul , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Eddie Lawhead Subject: Re: test In-Reply-To: <4.1.19981221182408.00a63a60@mail.netpacq.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It works..:) Eddie Lawhead eddie@silk.net At 06:24 PM 12/21/98 -0800, Paul wrote: >this is a test > > >Best regards, >Paul Jacobs >Full NT 4.0/IIS 4.0 Servers. >Commerce Service Provider (CSP) >Internet Presence Provider (IPP) >http://www.netpacq.com >mailto:paul@netpacq.com >"We are Microsoft. Resistance Is Futile. > You Will Be assimilated" > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 21 19:49:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15614 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:49:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from excala.netpacq.com ([208.239.156.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA15609 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:49:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@netpacq.com) Received: from [208.239.156.4] by excala.netpacq.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/1d.aafj) with ESMTP id ba031175 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:45:55 +0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19981221194623.00a834b0@mail.netpacq.com> X-Sender: paul@mail.netpacq.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:46:37 -0800 To: Eddie Lawhead From: Paul Subject: Re: test Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19981221193534.006e17f4@silk.net> References: <4.1.19981221182408.00a63a60@mail.netpacq.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Cool. At 07:35 PM 12/21/98 -0800, Eddie Lawhead wrote: > >It works..:) > >Eddie Lawhead >eddie@silk.net > >At 06:24 PM 12/21/98 -0800, Paul wrote: >>this is a test Best regards, Paul Jacobs Commerce Service Provider (CSP) Internet Presence Provider (IPP) http://www.netpacq.com mailto:paul@netpacq.com "We are Microsoft. Resistance Is Futile. You Will Be assimilated" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 21 20:05:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17469 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:05:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from excala.netpacq.com ([208.239.156.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA17463 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:05:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@netpacq.com) Received: from [208.239.156.4] by excala.netpacq.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/1d.aafj) with ESMTP id fa031179 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:02:01 +0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19981221195242.00a77dd0@mail.netpacq.com> X-Sender: paul@mail.netpacq.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:02:43 -0800 To: Rico Pajarola , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Paul Subject: Re: test In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19981222045129.0086ad30@www.dlc.cybertime.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Very funny... I need to startup a Dns server under Free BSD. It makes me sad to say NT, can not handle my up and coming domain needs. The right product for the job is what I allways say. With that in mind, I have started the move to put up a Freebsd server here, NS3.NETPACQ.NET, I dont want to F^*% around with internic and my current DNS servers, so I will simply put up a 3rd, server and take my time replacing NS!, and NS2. I joined this list in the hopes that some kind souls will help me in this new venture!, I did 6 months of admin on BSD at http://www.ixpres.com , But do not as of yet know how to install and configure a Free BSD box from scratch. I have a working understanding of Bind 4.xx and Look forward to bind 8.xx on BSD. I will ask stupid, beginner questions, but then I am new to installing BSD. At 04:51 AM 12/22/98 +0100, you wrote: >Haha, very funny. There is no need to test in a public mailinglist. And >according to your sig you should have rather sent it to >helpdesk@microsoft.com. > >regards, >Rico Pajarola >-- >An NT server can be run by an idiot, and usually is. > >At 18:24 98.12.21 -0800, you wrote: >>this is a test Best regards, Paul Jacobs Commerce Service Provider (CSP) Internet Presence Provider (IPP) http://www.netpacq.com mailto:paul@netpacq.com "We are Microsoft. Resistance Is Futile. You Will Be assimilated" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Dec 21 22:11:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04040 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:11:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ethel.basspro.com (ethel.basspro.com [12.14.224.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA04035 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 1998 22:11:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from troyk@basspro.com) Received: from gateway.basspro.com by ethel.basspro.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/29Jan96-0343PM) id AA21815; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:14:10 -0600 Message-Id: <367F36D2.17A777E4@basspro.com> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 00:06:10 -0600 From: Troy Kittrell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: test References: <4.1.19981221195242.00a77dd0@mail.netpacq.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rule #1 on FreeBSD (not necessarily a slam against Linux): Don't put a FreeBSD boot.flp disk in the machine and reboot it unless you *really* want a real Unix server. I've yet to have a FreeBSD (ftp) install fail. It was only last week (with Redhat 5.2 on CD) that I've ever had a Linux install complete without incident. DNS: 8.x without question!!! Why? It's the future. I can write BIND 4.x zone files blindfolded, but no longer have the time to learn the 8.x format. Which brings me to the next subject: I've found a wonderful program(s) (webmin) that makes administration of most of the functions of an Internet server a breeze, including DNS 8.x, Sendmail 8.9.1 and many others. I've run it under Digital Unix 3.2c & 4.0b, Solaris 2.5.1 & 2.6, FreeBSD 2.2.7 & 3.0 as well as Linux (Redhat 5.2) 2.0.38 kearnel. Worked fine every time (with Perl 5.004+)! It's basically a perl-based web server that provides an "HTML interface" to all of the administrative functions (via a *bunch* of perl scripts) you could ask for. I've pecked at it a little from a security standpoint and can't find any holes short of DOS attacks, but that's not to say it isn't 100% secure. Take a look at www.webmin.com, install it and see for for yourself. And no, I receive absolutely nothing for this endorsement besides helping someone else as webmin has helped me. FreeBSD is so easy to install & configure, and can make an old 486 PC so useful again that I found I had too many of them installed as servers to effectively manage by myself. Webmin has gone a long way in making management of these machines easier. Paul wrote: > > Very funny... > > I need to startup a Dns server under Free BSD. > > It makes me sad to say NT, can not handle my up and coming domain needs. > > The right product for the job is what I allways say. > > With that in mind, I have started the move to put up a Freebsd server here, > NS3.NETPACQ.NET, I dont want to F^*% around with internic and my current > DNS servers, so I will simply put up a 3rd, server and take my time > replacing NS!, and NS2. > > I joined this list in the hopes that some kind souls will help me in this > new venture!, I did 6 months of admin on BSD at > http://www.ixpres.com , But do not as of yet know how to install and > configure a Free BSD box from scratch. > > I have a working understanding of Bind 4.xx and Look forward to bind 8.xx > on BSD. > > I will ask stupid, beginner questions, but then I am new to installing BSD. > > At 04:51 AM 12/22/98 +0100, you wrote: > >Haha, very funny. There is no need to test in a public mailinglist. And > >according to your sig you should have rather sent it to > >helpdesk@microsoft.com. > > > >regards, > >Rico Pajarola > >-- > >An NT server can be run by an idiot, and usually is. > > > >At 18:24 98.12.21 -0800, you wrote: > >>this is a test > > Best regards, > Paul Jacobs > Commerce Service Provider (CSP) > Internet Presence Provider (IPP) > http://www.netpacq.com > mailto:paul@netpacq.com > "We are Microsoft. Resistance Is Futile. > You Will Be assimilated" > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Troy Kittrell troyk@basspro.com Internet Systems Coordinator Bass Pro Shops To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 22 07:58:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06703 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:58:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from eclipse.4d.net (eclipse.4dcomm.com [207.137.152.8] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06697 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:58:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kahn@unet.tm) Received: from erinf (max-headroom-3.4d.net [207.137.153.132]) by eclipse.4d.net (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA28493; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:59:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:58:40 -0800 Message-ID: <01BE2D80.E36407C0.kahn@unet.tm> From: Kahn Reply-To: "kahn@unet.tm" To: "'mike@seidata.com'" , "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: RAID 5 (fwd) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:56:15 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ftp.freebsd.org is running through cdrom.com. If you want to see what they are running look here: ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/archive-info/wca rchive.txt Its a monster. Kahn -----Original Message----- From: mike@seidata.com [SMTP:mike@seidata.com] Sent: Monday, December 21, 1998 10:39 AM To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID 5 (fwd) On Mon, 21 Dec 1998, Administrator wrote: > He is talking about the Mylex 960XSI, whcih are SCSI-2-SCSI and are supported > fine, as they present itself as one disk. Which is what ftp.freebsd.org is running, correct? I figure if the Mylex can handle the load at ftp.freebsd.org, it can handle anything I'll throw its way. :) I'd really appreciate a technical rundown from anyone already successfully running a similar config... cabling/housing requirements, cooling setups, system connectiviy, etc. Thanks for your reply... the reason I wasn't more clear as to specifying the SCSI-2-SCSI model is that I'm not sure what I want/need... ;) -- Mike Hoskins System/Network Administrator SEI Data Network Services, Inc. http://www.seidata.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 22 09:21:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA19371 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:21:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from excala.netpacq.com ([208.239.156.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA19366 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:21:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@netpacq.com) Received: from [208.239.156.4] by excala.netpacq.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/1d.aafj) with ESMTP id ra031243 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:18:04 +0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19981222091817.00a8e340@mail.netpacq.com> X-Sender: paul@mail.netpacq.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:18:33 -0800 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Paul Subject: Re: test Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >At 05:28 AM 12/22/98 +0100, you wrote: >>Sorry, I didn't want to upset you... I don't mind so-called stupid >>questions (these lists are here for asking questions, not for demonstrating >>your 'guruhood'), nobody is born as a wizard. But I don't like useless test >>messages on a mailinglist. >>Moving DNS from NT to a FreeBSD box is easier than the other way round, and >>I am sure you won't miss all the problems you had with NT (I started >>exactly the same way, replacing the GUI-only, slow, and unstable NT-DNS >>with FreeBSD and BIND). > >I do not use MS-DNS I use Dns Pro!, http://www.fbli.com > >So much easier and faster to resolve. > >>fbsd2.2.x (stable) comes with BIND 4 and fbsd3.0 (current) with BIND 8, if >>you install fbsd2.2.x, you should install the port for bind8. Only the >>configuration file is different, but it's quite easy to understand (there >>is also a reasonable example file), and it's much more configurable. There >>should also be a script to convert your old config (but it can't process >>includes) >>I guess, if you have admined a FBSD box for 6 months, you shouldn't have >>any problems setting one up, it's quite straight forward. >>This list is for isp-specific questions, if you have general questions on >>FreeBSD (installing etc), send them to questions@freebsd.org. Help keeping >>this list low noise. >> >>regards, >>Rico Pajarola >>-- >>A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming is >>not worth knowing. >> >> >>At 20:02 98.12.21 -0800, you wrote: >>>Very funny... >>> >>>I need to startup a Dns server under Free BSD. >>> >>>It makes me sad to say NT, can not handle my up and coming domain needs. >>> >>>The right product for the job is what I allways say. >>> >>>With that in mind, I have started the move to put up a Freebsd server here, >>>NS3.NETPACQ.NET, I dont want to F^*% around with internic and my current >>>DNS servers, so I will simply put up a 3rd, server and take my time >>>replacing NS!, and NS2. >>> >>>I joined this list in the hopes that some kind souls will help me in this >>>new venture!, I did 6 months of admin on BSD at >>>http://www.ixpres.com , But do not as of yet know how to install and >>>configure a Free BSD box from scratch. >>> >>>I have a working understanding of Bind 4.xx and Look forward to bind 8.xx >>>on BSD. >>> >>>I will ask stupid, beginner questions, but then I am new to installing BSD. >>> >>> >>>At 04:51 AM 12/22/98 +0100, you wrote: >>>>Haha, very funny. There is no need to test in a public mailinglist. And >>>>according to your sig you should have rather sent it to >>>>helpdesk@microsoft.com. >>>> >>>>regards, >>>>Rico Pajarola Best regards, Paul Jacobs Commerce Service Provider (CSP) Internet Presence Provider (IPP) http://www.netpacq.com mailto:paul@netpacq.com "We are Microsoft. Resistance Is Futile. You Will Be assimilated" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 22 09:35:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21788 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:35:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from excala.netpacq.com ([208.239.156.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA21762 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:35:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@netpacq.com) Received: from [208.239.156.4] by excala.netpacq.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/1d.aafj) with ESMTP id ya031250 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:31:59 +0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19981222092830.00a78100@mail.netpacq.com> X-Sender: paul@mail.netpacq.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:32:28 -0800 To: Troy Kittrell From: Paul Subject: Re: test Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <367F36D2.17A777E4@basspro.com> References: <4.1.19981221195242.00a77dd0@mail.netpacq.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:06 AM 12/22/98 -0600, Troy Kittrell wrote: >Rule #1 on FreeBSD (not necessarily a slam against Linux): Don't put a >FreeBSD boot.flp disk in the machine and reboot it unless you *really* >want a real Unix server. I've yet to have a FreeBSD (ftp) install fail. >It was only last week (with Redhat 5.2 on CD) that I've ever had a Linux >install complete without incident. So this is why people say use FreeBSD... -:))) > DNS: 8.x without question!!! Why? It's the future. I can write BIND 4.x >zone files blindfolded, but no longer have the time to learn the 8.x >format. Which brings me to the next subject: I've found a wonderful >program(s) (webmin) that makes administration of most of the functions >of an Internet server a breeze, including DNS 8.x, Sendmail 8.9.1 and >many others. I've run it under Digital Unix 3.2c & 4.0b, Solaris 2.5.1 & >2.6, FreeBSD 2.2.7 & 3.0 as well as Linux (Redhat 5.2) 2.0.38 kearnel. >Worked fine every time (with Perl 5.004+)! It's basically a perl-based >web server that provides an "HTML interface" to all of the >administrative functions (via a *bunch* of perl scripts) you could ask >for. I've pecked at it a little from a security standpoint and can't >find any holes short of DOS attacks, but that's not to say it isn't 100% >secure. Take a look at www.webmin.com, install it and see for for >yourself. And no, I receive absolutely nothing for this endorsement >besides helping someone else as webmin has helped me. Right on!!, not that I was'nt looking forward to using pico.. -:))) FreeBSD is so easy >to install & configure, and can make an old 486 PC so useful again that >I found I had too many of them installed as servers to effectively >manage by myself. Webmin has gone a long way in making management of >these machines easier. Too cool, I will check it out. > >Paul wrote: >> >> Very funny... >> >> I need to startup a Dns server under Free BSD. >> >> It makes me sad to say NT, can not handle my up and coming domain needs. >> >> The right product for the job is what I allways say. >> >> With that in mind, I have started the move to put up a Freebsd server here, >> NS3.NETPACQ.NET, I dont want to F^*% around with internic and my current >> DNS servers, so I will simply put up a 3rd, server and take my time >> replacing NS!, and NS2. >> >> I joined this list in the hopes that some kind souls will help me in this >> new venture!, I did 6 months of admin on BSD at >> http://www.ixpres.com , But do not as of yet know how to install and >> configure a Free BSD box from scratch. >> >> I have a working understanding of Bind 4.xx and Look forward to bind 8.xx >> on BSD. >> >> I will ask stupid, beginner questions, but then I am new to installing BSD. >> >> At 04:51 AM 12/22/98 +0100, you wrote: >> >Haha, very funny. There is no need to test in a public mailinglist. And >> >according to your sig you should have rather sent it to >> >helpdesk@microsoft.com. Best regards, Paul Jacobs Commerce Service Provider (CSP) Internet Presence Provider (IPP) http://www.netpacq.com mailto:paul@netpacq.com "We are Microsoft. Resistance Is Futile. You Will Be assimilated" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 22 18:18:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09120 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:18:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.webfront.net.au (www.webfront.net.au [203.23.200.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09115 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:18:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bargi@webfront.net.au) Received: from bargi (bargi.webfront.net.au [203.23.200.29]) by www.webfront.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA13161 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:15:39 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: X-Sender: bargi@webfront.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:16:11 +1100 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Ray Brighenti Subject: subscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org __________________________ WebFront webmaster@webfront.net.au http://www.webfront.net.au __________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Dec 22 19:17:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14747 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:17:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from faith.mynet.net (faith.mynet.net [208.162.200.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14730 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:17:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from saleh@megold.net) Received: from CS101.riyadh.zajil.com (cs101.riyadh.zajil.com [193.188.107.67]) by faith.mynet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA11637 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:10:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from msx101.riyadh.zajil.com (msx101.riyadh.zajil.com [208.162.203.10]) by CS101.riyadh.zajil.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id GAA20460 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 06:09:38 +0300 (AST) Received: from p2-300 (mdm114.riyadh.zajil.com [208.162.203.29]) by msx101.riyadh.zajil.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA14313 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 06:11:56 +0300 (AST) Message-Id: <4.1.19981223060019.0092b3c0@208.162.203.12> Message-Id: <4.1.19981223060019.0092b3c0@208.162.203.12> X-Sender: sal88@208.162.203.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 06:00:24 +0300 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Saleh Al-Kharashi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 23 11:33:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27828 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:33:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.seidata.com (ns1.seidata.com [208.10.211.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27823 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 11:33:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@seidata.com) From: mike@seidata.com Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by ns1.seidata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11857; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:33:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:33:32 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG cc: mike@seidata.com Subject: Sendmail Config ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Here's my setup... domain.com is hosted by remoteserver.com, ns1.remoteserver.com provides authoritative DNS services for domain.com and contains a MX of mx.domain.com for handling all of domain.com's mail, The owner of domain.com wants to host his website on my server, localserver.com as www.domain.com, I 'mirrored' (zone transfers not allowed, of course) the DNS records of ns1.remoteserver.com (they faxed their records to me) and they, in turn, mirrored the 'www.domain.com' entry which maps to one of my IPs, In my DNS records, I setup the 'MX' entry to point to their mx.domain.com, Their site/domain now works perfectly, but SMTP is not quite there... What happens is that email sent to user@domain.com from my server immediately comes back with a 'user unknown' message, as if my server is attempting to find 'user' locally rather than realizing that domain.com is remote and it needs to route the mail to the remote mx. I don't think it's DNS, but a sendmail misconfig on my part... Something's making the mailer client on the SMTP server think the domain is local when it isn't... Here's what I have for DNS: [soa stuff] IN NS ns1.localserver.com. IN NS ns1.remoteserver.com. IN MX 10 mx.domain.com. domain.com. IN A 1.1.1.7 mx IN A 1.1.1.2 www IN A 2.2.2.1 'domain.com' and 'mx.domain.com' map to remoteserver.com's namespace (mirrored axactly), and only 'www.domain.com' maps to my namespace (mirrored by ns1.remoteserver.com). The Bat book doesn't say anything special about off-site MX hosts, but it does say a *lot* that I'm not familiar with concerning sendmail-specific configuration... I'll keep reading, but if anyone can enlighten me re: a proper setup, it'd be much appreciated. :) Happy Holidays... -- Mike Hoskins System/Network Administrator SEI Data Network Services, Inc. http://www.seidata.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Dec 23 14:26:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16011 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:26:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.seidata.com (ns1.seidata.com [208.10.211.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16003 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:26:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@seidata.com) From: mike@seidata.com Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by ns1.seidata.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26037 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:26:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 17:26:20 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail Config ? In-Reply-To: <199812231958.LAA07171@pau-amma.whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello again, Just wanted to say 'Thanks' to all those who offered advice... and to state that, as is usually the case when one has problems with Unix, it was a silly oversight on the part of the admin. *duck* Thanks again... --- Mike Hoskins System/Network Administrator SEI Data Network Services, Inc. http://www.seidata.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 24 07:56:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15291 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:56:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15283 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 07:56:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA75560; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:55:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: pidentd From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 24 Dec 1998 16:55:52 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 34 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (is this the right list?) I installed pidentd from the ports and set up inetd to handle ident requests, but efnet.telia.no claims that it gets no ident response three out of four times. Here's a tcpdump of one such session: des@flood ~$ tcpdump -i ed0 \( dst port 113 and dst host flood \) or \( src port 113 and src host flood \) tcpdump: listening on ed0 16:13:27.013637 efnet.telia.no.6928 > flood.ping.uio.no.auth: S 1225673011:1225673011(0) win 512 16:13:27.013937 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: S 1319906409:1319906409(0) ack 1225673012 win 17520 (DF) 16:13:27.318156 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6907: S 1311276730:1311276730(0) ack 229293295 win 17520 (DF) 16:13:29.818138 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: S 1319906409:1319906409(0) ack 1225673012 win 17520 (DF) 16:13:30.006699 efnet.telia.no.6928 > flood.ping.uio.no.auth: S 1225673011:1225673011(0) win 32120 16:13:30.006919 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: . ack 1 win 17520 (DF) 16:13:35.818201 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: S 1319906409:1319906409(0) ack 1225673012 win 17520 (DF) 16:13:36.007252 efnet.telia.no.6928 > flood.ping.uio.no.auth: S 1225673011:1225673011(0) win 32120 16:13:36.007462 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: . ack 1 win 17520 (DF) 16:13:47.818309 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: S 1319906409:1319906409(0) ack 1225673012 win 17520 (DF) 16:13:48.008423 efnet.telia.no.6928 > flood.ping.uio.no.auth: S 1225673011:1225673011(0) win 32120 16:13:48.008644 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: . ack 1 win 17520 (DF) 16:13:57.318420 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6907: R 1:1(0) ack 1 win 17520 (DF) 16:14:11.818561 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: S 1319906409:1319906409(0) ack 1225673012 win 17520 (DF) 16:14:41.818826 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: R 1:1(0) ack 1 win 17520 (DF) The ident entry in my inetd.conf looks like this: ident stream tcp wait kmem:kmem /usr/local/sbin/identd identd -w -t120 -l Does anybody have any idea what's wrong or do I have to run a packet sniffer to find out what they're actually saying to eachother? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 24 14:58:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01837 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:58:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01810; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:58:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:58:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812242258.OAA01810@hub.freebsd.org> From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: des@flood.ping.uio.no CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Dag-Erling Smorgrav on 24 Dec 1998 16:55:52 +0100) Subject: Re: pidentd References: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav > Date: 24 Dec 1998 16:55:52 +0100 > Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > (is this the right list?) > > I installed pidentd from the ports and set up inetd to handle ident > requests, but efnet.telia.no claims that it gets no ident response > three out of four times. Here's a tcpdump of one such session: interesting.....might this have something to do with our mail delay problem??? jmb > > des@flood ~$ tcpdump -i ed0 \( dst port 113 and dst host flood \) or \( src port 113 and src host flood \) > tcpdump: listening on ed0 > 16:13:27.013637 efnet.telia.no.6928 > flood.ping.uio.no.auth: S 1225673011:1225673011(0) win 512 > 16:13:27.013937 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: S 1319906409:1319906409(0) ack 1225673012 win 17520 (DF) > 16:13:27.318156 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6907: S 1311276730:1311276730(0) ack 229293295 win 17520 (DF) > 16:13:29.818138 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: S 1319906409:1319906409(0) ack 1225673012 win 17520 (DF) > 16:13:30.006699 efnet.telia.no.6928 > flood.ping.uio.no.auth: S 1225673011:1225673011(0) win 32120 > 16:13:30.006919 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: . ack 1 win 17520 (DF) > 16:13:35.818201 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: S 1319906409:1319906409(0) ack 1225673012 win 17520 (DF) > 16:13:36.007252 efnet.telia.no.6928 > flood.ping.uio.no.auth: S 1225673011:1225673011(0) win 32120 > 16:13:36.007462 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: . ack 1 win 17520 (DF) > 16:13:47.818309 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: S 1319906409:1319906409(0) ack 1225673012 win 17520 (DF) > 16:13:48.008423 efnet.telia.no.6928 > flood.ping.uio.no.auth: S 1225673011:1225673011(0) win 32120 > 16:13:48.008644 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: . ack 1 win 17520 (DF) > 16:13:57.318420 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6907: R 1:1(0) ack 1 win 17520 (DF) > 16:14:11.818561 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: S 1319906409:1319906409(0) ack 1225673012 win 17520 (DF) > 16:14:41.818826 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: R 1:1(0) ack 1 win 17520 (DF) > > The ident entry in my inetd.conf looks like this: > > ident stream tcp wait kmem:kmem /usr/local/sbin/identd identd -w -t120 -l > > Does anybody have any idea what's wrong or do I have to run a packet > sniffer to find out what they're actually saying to eachother? > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 24 15:11:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03219 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:11:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03211; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:11:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:11:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199812242311.PAA03211@hub.freebsd.org> From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: des@flood.ping.uio.no CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: (message from Dag-Erling Smorgrav on 24 Dec 1998 16:55:52 +0100) Subject: Re: pidentd References: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav > Date: 24 Dec 1998 16:55:52 +0100 > Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > (is this the right list?) > > I installed pidentd from the ports and set up inetd to handle ident > requests, but efnet.telia.no claims that it gets no ident response > three out of four times. Here's a tcpdump of one such session: interesting.....might this have something to do with our mail delay problem??? jmb > > des@flood ~$ tcpdump -i ed0 \( dst port 113 and dst host flood \) or \( src port 113 and src host flood \) > tcpdump: listening on ed0 > 16:13:27.013637 efnet.telia.no.6928 > flood.ping.uio.no.auth: S 1225673011:1225673011(0) win 512 > 16:13:27.013937 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: S 1319906409:1319906409(0) ack 1225673012 win 17520 (DF) > 16:13:27.318156 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6907: S 1311276730:1311276730(0) ack 229293295 win 17520 (DF) > 16:13:29.818138 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: S 1319906409:1319906409(0) ack 1225673012 win 17520 (DF) > 16:13:30.006699 efnet.telia.no.6928 > flood.ping.uio.no.auth: S 1225673011:1225673011(0) win 32120 > 16:13:30.006919 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: . ack 1 win 17520 (DF) > 16:13:35.818201 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: S 1319906409:1319906409(0) ack 1225673012 win 17520 (DF) > 16:13:36.007252 efnet.telia.no.6928 > flood.ping.uio.no.auth: S 1225673011:1225673011(0) win 32120 > 16:13:36.007462 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: . ack 1 win 17520 (DF) > 16:13:47.818309 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: S 1319906409:1319906409(0) ack 1225673012 win 17520 (DF) > 16:13:48.008423 efnet.telia.no.6928 > flood.ping.uio.no.auth: S 1225673011:1225673011(0) win 32120 > 16:13:48.008644 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: . ack 1 win 17520 (DF) > 16:13:57.318420 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6907: R 1:1(0) ack 1 win 17520 (DF) > 16:14:11.818561 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: S 1319906409:1319906409(0) ack 1225673012 win 17520 (DF) > 16:14:41.818826 flood.ping.uio.no.auth > efnet.telia.no.6928: R 1:1(0) ack 1 win 17520 (DF) > > The ident entry in my inetd.conf looks like this: > > ident stream tcp wait kmem:kmem /usr/local/sbin/identd identd -w -t120 -l > > Does anybody have any idea what's wrong or do I have to run a packet > sniffer to find out what they're actually saying to eachother? > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Dec 24 16:12:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA10585 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:12:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA10578; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:12:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA76715; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:12:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pidentd References: <199812242258.OAA01810@hub.freebsd.org> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 25 Dec 1998 01:12:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Jonathan M. Bresler"'s message of "Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:58:49 -0800 (PST)" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jonathan M. Bresler" writes: > > I installed pidentd from the ports and set up inetd to handle ident > > requests, but efnet.telia.no claims that it gets no ident response > > three out of four times. Here's a tcpdump of one such session: > interesting.....might this have something to do with our mail delay > problem??? Possibly... netstat -I ed0 shows a very low error rate, but there may be a problem with one of the switches between me and the backbone. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Dec 25 14:36:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09055 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:36:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from excala.netpacq.com ([208.239.156.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA09050 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:36:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@netpacq.com) Received: from [208.239.156.4] by excala.netpacq.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/1d.aafj) with ESMTP id ea031854 for ; Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:33:56 +0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19981225143203.00a7c100@mail.netpacq.com> X-Sender: paul@mail.netpacq.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 14:34:08 -0800 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG From: Paul Subject: F.Y.I - Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just F.Y.I. for All The "BE" Os is based on a concept called "symmetric Multiprocessing", That works Great with a multi processor Intel based system, because it comes ready to support ANY number of CPU's Out of the BOX!!, this is got to be the best feature. BTW, The Os it self has built in load balancing, using a process called "Pervasive Multithreading", that will break down your applications into Hundreds od smaller tasks!, and can be switched in/out as you move from app to app. Also Can be distributed across ANY number of CPUS!!!!, This OS WILL Give *nix, OS/2, Windows NT A VERY BIG RUN FOR THERE MONEY. I always said that Unix could task better than anything I have seen, now I Must change that view to the "Be OS". It uses a 64Bit Journaling File system, NT uses a 32Bit one, supports a Terabyte in drive space, Intergrated Database Capabilites, and a multi- Threaded Graphics system for 2D and 3D graphics using the Open GL Graphics Lib, And on top of all that it has a mutilthreaded I/O system. -:)))))) Designed as an Internet NATIVE System, TCP/IP is the native Network Protocal You could use it as a file server, built in mail, and WWW services, and has Remote Acess Capabilities Thru Telnet. The Be OS will work with any Intel Pentium Or Power PC (Mac) system!, then To go one step farther....... It works With Mac OS, DOS, And UNIX Disks, >From Within the BE OS!!. Support for Java, Has it's own replication software, AND, YES AND, UNIX/ POSIX CAPABILITYS.... Etc, etc, Etc. I could go on and on.... and they only call the Be Os and "OS" not a "NOS"... Shit man...... -:)))))))))) Forget most everything else this Os Will set the standard That All OTHERS MUST follow. Best regards, Paul Jacobs Commerce Service Provider (CSP) Internet Presence Provider (IPP) http://www.netpacq.com mailto:paul@netpacq.com "We are Microsoft. Resistance Is Futile. You Will Be assimilated" If you wish to have me stop sending you email I think relivent to you please email me back with "stop sending" and I will remove you from my list. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Dec 26 09:20:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13978 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:20:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamefish.pcola.gulf.net (gamefish.pcola.gulf.net [198.69.72.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13969 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from psalzman@gamefish.pcola.gulf.net) Received: from localhost (psalzman@localhost) by gamefish.pcola.gulf.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04258; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:19:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from psalzman@gamefish.pcola.gulf.net) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:19:39 -0600 (CST) From: Phillip Salzman To: mwlucas@exceptionet.com cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: livingston radius startup question In-Reply-To: <199812181751.MAA15724@easeway.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just to add my two cents, I haven't had that problem. Are you added all the users to raddb/users? If not, make sure you have it set to default to System or UNIX for authentication. -- Phillip Salzman On Fri, 18 Dec 1998 mwlucas@exceptionet.com wrote: > Hello, > > I'm attempting to upgrade a radius server from the merit radius to > Livingston 2.0.1. The build went OK, per instructions from this lists' > archive. However, when I run builddbm, it only generates a users.db file, > rather than the users.pag and users.dir. > > If I run radiusd with only the users.db, all authentication requests fail > with "unknown user". > > Is this a problem with the FreeBSD hack on Livingston Radius, or is this a > general Radius issue? How can I fix this? > > Thanks, > ==ml > > -- > Michael Lucas | > Exceptionet, Inc. | www.exceptionet.com > "Exceptional Networking" | > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Dec 26 10:58:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22759 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:58:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from excala.netpacq.com ([208.239.156.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA22754 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:58:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@netpacq.com) Received: from [208.239.156.4] by excala.netpacq.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/1d.aafj) with ESMTP id ia031910 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:55:05 +0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19981226105345.00a9dce0@mail.netpacq.com> X-Sender: paul@mail.netpacq.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:55:58 -0800 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Paul Subject: Apoligy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I wish to make a formal apology, to this list for my recent B.Y.I - Post, It was not relevant and I am sorry. Best regards, Paul Jacobs Commerce Service Provider (CSP) Internet Presence Provider (IPP) http://www.netpacq.com mailto:paul@netpacq.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Dec 26 11:21:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24733 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:21:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamefish.pcola.gulf.net (gamefish.pcola.gulf.net [198.69.72.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24728 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:21:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from psalzman@gamefish.pcola.gulf.net) Received: from localhost (psalzman@localhost) by gamefish.pcola.gulf.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA04643 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:21:22 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from psalzman@gamefish.pcola.gulf.net) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:21:22 -0600 (CST) From: Phillip Salzman To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: BESS internet filtering Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This may be a little bit off topic, but does anyone know much about the BESS filtering system? It is a program that filters "unwanted" content from ISPs dialup users. Some of the things it filters is pornography, with an assortment of others. It's up to the ISP on what they want filtered. I was wondering if any of you have had legal problems with something like this, or technical. Someone I know told me it either runs FreeBSD or Linux, but he wasn't sure. With a hacked-up squid, or started with squid. The website for BESS is at http://www.n2h2.com/ Thanks in advance, Phil To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Dec 26 13:45:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04728 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:45:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamefish.pcola.gulf.net (gamefish.pcola.gulf.net [198.69.72.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04723 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:45:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from psalzman@gamefish.pcola.gulf.net) Received: from localhost (psalzman@localhost) by gamefish.pcola.gulf.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA05043; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:43:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from psalzman@gamefish.pcola.gulf.net) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:43:52 -0600 (CST) From: Phillip Salzman To: Casper cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BESS internet filtering In-Reply-To: <3685483B.A759226F@acc.am> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That would be a good idea, except we lack the resources to constantly update the database whenever someone finds a new pornography site, which i'm guessing 18% of the internet sites are, if not more. I was mostly interested if someone knows about the legal status of doing something like this. Will we lose our carrier status as an ISP, and become provider of internet content? Have you ever heard of someone being sued due to finding pornography when it was supposed to be filtered (even though we will say "This does not entirely remove..."), etc. Thanks for the reply. Phillip Salzman On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Casper wrote: > and what about simply write redirector for squid? You only need some database of > url , that you want to disable .. > > Phillip Salzman wrote: > > > > This may be a little bit off topic, but does anyone > > know much about the BESS filtering system? It is a program > > that filters "unwanted" content from ISPs dialup users. > > > > Some of the things it filters is pornography, with an > > assortment of others. It's up to the ISP on what they > > want filtered. > > > > I was wondering if any of you have had legal problems with > > something like this, or technical. Someone I know told > > me it either runs FreeBSD or Linux, but he wasn't sure. With > > a hacked-up squid, or started with squid. > > > > The website for BESS is at http://www.n2h2.com/ > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Phil > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Dec 26 13:51:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05565 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:51:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wind.freenet.am ([194.151.101.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05550 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 13:51:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from casper@acc.am) Received: from lemming.acc.am (acc.freenet.am [194.151.101.251]) by wind.freenet.am (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA28617; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:50:50 +0400 (GMT) Received: from acc.am (acc.freenet.am [194.151.101.251]) by lemming.acc.am (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA07727; Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:56:44 +0400 (AMT) Message-ID: <3685595A.3CB86555@acc.am> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:47:06 +0400 From: Casper Organization: Armenian Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Phillip Salzman CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BESS internet filtering References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You can use database that suppling some firms for thier products ... NetNanny , for instance .... I dontt know anything about legal status of this problem .... but in practice it's unapplicable in 90% , if you are ISP, because what you will do with most of your clients (by our statistics , the porno-traffic :) is about 35-40% )? Phillip Salzman wrote: > > That would be a good idea, except we lack the resources to > constantly update the database whenever someone finds a new > pornography site, which i'm guessing 18% of the internet > sites are, if not more. > > I was mostly interested if someone knows about the legal status > of doing something like this. Will we lose our carrier status > as an ISP, and become provider of internet content? Have you > ever heard of someone being sued due to finding pornography > when it was supposed to be filtered (even though we will say > "This does not entirely remove..."), etc. > > Thanks for the reply. > > Phillip Salzman > > On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Casper wrote: > > > and what about simply write redirector for squid? You only need some database of > > url , that you want to disable .. > > > > Phillip Salzman wrote: > > > > > > This may be a little bit off topic, but does anyone > > > know much about the BESS filtering system? It is a program > > > that filters "unwanted" content from ISPs dialup users. > > > > > > Some of the things it filters is pornography, with an > > > assortment of others. It's up to the ISP on what they > > > want filtered. > > > > > > I was wondering if any of you have had legal problems with > > > something like this, or technical. Someone I know told > > > me it either runs FreeBSD or Linux, but he wasn't sure. With > > > a hacked-up squid, or started with squid. > > > > > > The website for BESS is at http://www.n2h2.com/ > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Dec 26 14:00:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA06898 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:00:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06889 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:00:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA50522; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:59:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) To: Phillip Salzman cc: Casper , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: BESS internet filtering In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 26 Dec 1998 15:43:52 CST." Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:59:22 -0500 Message-ID: <50518.914709562@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Phillip Salzman wrote in message ID : > I was mostly interested if someone knows about the legal status > of doing something like this. Will we lose our carrier status > as an ISP, and become provider of internet content? Have you ISPs have never had Common Carrier Status in the United States. CC Status needs to be assigned by Congress. However, I suggest you read parts of the first CDA (especially the bits which didn't get overturned) as I believe they have some relevance to this. > ever heard of someone being sued due to finding pornography > when it was supposed to be filtered (even though we will say > "This does not entirely remove..."), etc. The only *real* way to totally filter content is to use `allow' lists, rather than exclude lists. I personally don't think that content filtering is the job of the ISP, with or without disclaimers. Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Dec 26 14:07:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07954 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:07:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamefish.pcola.gulf.net (gamefish.pcola.gulf.net [198.69.72.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07944; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 14:07:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from psalzman@gamefish.pcola.gulf.net) Received: from localhost (psalzman@localhost) by gamefish.pcola.gulf.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA05123; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:07:16 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from psalzman@gamefish.pcola.gulf.net) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:07:16 -0600 (CST) From: Phillip Salzman To: Gary Palmer cc: Casper , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BESS internet filtering In-Reply-To: <50518.914709562@gjp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > The only *real* way to totally filter content is to use `allow' lists, > rather than exclude lists. I personally don't think that content > filtering is the job of the ISP, with or without disclaimers. > I agree entirely. But several customers have requested it, and work we are doing with an upstart ISP called Family Internet Services (http://www.familyinet.net/) has raised the issue. They wish to provide filtering. What we are going to do is go in half with them on the BESS system, pipe all of their traffic through it, and setup certain user accounts to go through it also. Those accounts will be extra ones requested by parents for their children. No other accounts will be filtered in any way. Phillip Salzman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Dec 26 18:10:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26145 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:10:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from m4.stox.sa.enteract.com (stox.sa.enteract.com [207.229.132.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA26140 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 18:10:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@stox.sa.enteract.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.stox.sa.enteract.com [127.0.0.1]) by m4.stox.sa.enteract.com (8.9.1/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA05934; Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:45:14 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 17:45:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Kenneth P. Stox" Reply-To: stox@enteract.com To: Phillip Salzman cc: Casper , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BESS internet filtering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 26 Dec 1998, Phillip Salzman wrote: [SNIP] > I was mostly interested if someone knows about the legal status > of doing something like this. Will we lose our carrier status > as an ISP, and become provider of internet content? Have you > ever heard of someone being sued due to finding pornography > when it was supposed to be filtered (even though we will say > "This does not entirely remove..."), etc. Another issue, on which I have seen little discussion, is the inverse case. What are the liabilities for filtering a site which has no pornographic content ? I recently had the chance to experience this first hand. One of the experiments, where I work, is known as Dzero. They have a rather sizable web site which they use to publish scientific data, dissertations, and other documents ( Some 400,000 pages at last count ). A decision was made to reorganize the site, and the newly re-organized site was put under a URL which contained the string "newdzero" or something close to that. Suddenly we were barraged by complaints that these pages were not accessible. Turns out that a number of filtering services were blocking the site, or portions of the site, since it contained the string "newdz" which is claimed to be hacker-speak for "nudes." Fortunately, this is a group of very understanding physicists, and no litigation was threatened. A few kind emails cleared up the situation quickly, along with some changes in URL's. In a slightly different case, had this been a commercial site, I could see all sorts of litigation, from liable to civil rights violations. Just some food for thought. -Ken Stox stox@enteract.com stox@fnal.gov To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message