From owner-freebsd-java Sun Feb 15 13:10:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22784 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:10:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from prime.arces.net (gateway.arces.net [206.124.14.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22766 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:10:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from monachus@prime.arces.net) Received: (from monachus@localhost) by prime.arces.net (8.8.8/8.8.nospam) id OAA08707; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:13:45 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <19980215141344.55326@arces.net> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:13:44 -0700 From: Adrian Goins To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: US FTP mirror of JDK1.1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=GuTyElPB9bOcsMOR X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --GuTyElPB9bOcsMOR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A domestic US mirror of the JDK 1.1.5 for FreeBSD has been set up at the following location: ftp://ftp.aob.org/pub/FreeBSD/java Any questions or concerns regarding this mirror should be sent to admin@arces.net. --=20 Regards, Adrian Goins Arces Network, Inc. =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D = =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D admin@arces.net http://www.arces.net 719.282.8133vox pgr not avail yet =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D = =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D --GuTyElPB9bOcsMOR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNOdah/3qHshR21gJAQEHOQP/czZtNSo34h4YDcbSVSoz/+4ndKn6mPrP XykN66gAAq4lDPOEc6QRd7g5u4W/Sg7LDoR78M3xo2epw8l/KLapuU+zONTfZ1z7 ujtosFbuHE1km1wCLPyp2DKjHA21F8vxv+hKvzKEgSD7Iy41Gcav1DKQ/hDZUdKb bmeKyr5j0kM= =4HNk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GuTyElPB9bOcsMOR-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sun Feb 15 13:12:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22990 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:12:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from prime.arces.net (gateway.arces.net [206.124.14.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22984 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:12:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from monachus@prime.arces.net) Received: (from monachus@localhost) by prime.arces.net (8.8.8/8.8.nospam) id OAA08726; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:16:18 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <19980215141618.45625@arces.net> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:16:18 -0700 From: Adrian Goins To: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (forw) US FTP mirror of JDK1.1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=CMA9jn6tkzFBcd8L X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --CMA9jn6tkzFBcd8L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A domestic US mirror of the JDK 1.1.5 for FreeBSD has been set up at the following location: ftp://ftp.aob.org/pub/FreeBSD/java Any questions or concerns regarding this mirror should be sent to admin@arces.net. Regards, Adrian Goins Arces Network, Inc. admin@arces.net http://www.arces.net 719.282.8133vox pgr not avail yet --CMA9jn6tkzFBcd8L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNOdbIf3qHshR21gJAQGX4QP9EBSvlBuTXHKqdNKg2kpnBCXr4oB6TQJg pqs9zTn9bglf0jaKnzyZBgkv9PimvS4gdtyVqxhznP/ormI5obHGHiqFeGrIpHTk HYyysVlJsZa1VgWOesETKSJA5filtYGggUx7cP0sjj7mdADIpiTUpybDnjl5yx2v 1u2WqCtFZ7g= =tmdu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CMA9jn6tkzFBcd8L-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Sun Feb 15 15:43:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17045 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:43:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from stcgate.statcan.ca (stcgate.statcan.ca [142.206.192.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA16972 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 15:43:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeays@statcan.ca) Received: (from root@localhost) by stcgate.statcan.ca (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA15126 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:46:34 -0500 Received: from stcinet.statcan.ca(142.206.128.146) by stcgate via smap (V1.3) id sma015111; Sun Feb 15 23:45:55 1998 Received: from statcan.ca by statcan.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA15833; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:44:29 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:40:57 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Jeays X-Sender: jeays@austral To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Java 1.1.5 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can report that I installed jdk1.1.5.V98-2-8.tar.gz on my FreeBSD 2.2.1 system, and that it works perfectly for everything I have tried so far. Congratulations to those who have done a great job on the port, and who wrote a very clear and thorough web page on how to download and install it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Mon Feb 16 01:30:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA06450 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:30:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from edison.dialix.com.au (root@edison.dialix.com.au [203.12.2.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA06443 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:30:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from giles@nemeton.com.au) Received: from nemeton.com.au (dy18.edison.dialix.com.au [203.12.2.49]) by edison.dialix.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/DIALixFlat) with ESMTP id UAA10202 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:04:58 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from giles@nemeton.com.au) Received: (qmail 18701 invoked from network); 16 Feb 1998 09:04:02 -0000 Received: from topaz.nemeton.com.au (203.8.3.18) by nemeton.com.au with SMTP; 16 Feb 1998 09:04:02 -0000 To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Java 1.1.5 In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:03:40 +1100 Message-ID: <14772.887619820@nemeton.com.au> From: Giles Lean Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:40:57 -0500 (EST) Mike Jeays wrote: > I can report that I installed jdk1.1.5.V98-2-8.tar.gz on my FreeBSD 2.2.1 > system, and that it works perfectly for everything I have tried so far. > Congratulations to those who have done a great job on the port ... The port also works (so far :-) on NetBSD-1.3C/i386 using FreeBSD emulation. Thanks all! Giles To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Feb 17 07:30:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11456 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:30:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA11415 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:30:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kelly@plutotech.com) Received: from plutotech.com (tampopo.plutotech.com [206.168.67.161]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09458; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:30:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34E9ACFD.C7ADC4FC@plutotech.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:30:05 -0700 From: Sean Kelly Organization: Pluto Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nate Williams CC: Thamer Al-Herbish , java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: typo on webpage References: <199802140109.SAA14148@mt.sri.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > jdk1.1.5.V98-2-8.tar.gz appears appears to have some difficult to track down > > ^^^^^^^^^ > > should be difficulty > No, that is the correct English. Perhaps, but it's definitely awkward, and not friendly to nonnative speakers. If this phrase is indeed modifying "bugs," it ought to be hyphenated. If not, reword as "appears to have some socket bugs that hard to track down." --Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Feb 17 07:51:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15285 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:51:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aiai.ed.ac.uk (eigg.aiai.ed.ac.uk [129.215.41.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15277 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:51:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff@aiai.ed.ac.uk) Received: from gairsay.aiai.ed.ac.uk (gairsay.aiai.ed.ac.uk [129.215.105.57]) by aiai.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA13561; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:50:51 GMT Received: (jeff@localhost) by gairsay.aiai.ed.ac.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) id PAA24179; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:50:50 GMT Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:50:50 GMT Message-Id: <199802171550.PAA24179@gairsay.aiai.ed.ac.uk> From: Jeff Dalton Subject: Re: recommended To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM, java@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Tony Kimball's message of Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:47:18 -0600 (CST) Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > See > http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/formula.nsf/system/technologies/fd69b7e20c32011a882565340002ec13 > for the Jikes portable, graphical, Java debugger. > Recommended over jdb any day, and 100% Java. It looks interesting, but is it supposed to be possible to download it? I can't get anything on the initial page to work reasonably and keep getting things like Window.head has no property named 'navTabs'. -- jd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Feb 17 10:28:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18702 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:28:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18694 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:28:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA27353; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:28:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA28834; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:28:53 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:28:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199802171828.LAA28834@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Sean Kelly Cc: Nate Williams , java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: typo on webpage In-Reply-To: <34E9ACFD.C7ADC4FC@plutotech.com> References: <199802140109.SAA14148@mt.sri.com> <34E9ACFD.C7ADC4FC@plutotech.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > jdk1.1.5.V98-2-8.tar.gz appears appears to have some difficult to track down > > > ^^^^^^^^^ > > > should be difficulty > > No, that is the correct English. > > Perhaps, but it's definitely awkward, and not friendly to nonnative speakers. > > If this phrase is indeed modifying "bugs," it ought to be hyphenated. If not, > reword as "appears to have some socket bugs that hard to track down." FWIW, I modified the WWW page to be more easily understood as soon as it was brought up. All of this is a moot point. :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Feb 17 11:20:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA00565 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:20:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA00509 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:20:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id LAA07670; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:19:42 -0800 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id OAA24073; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:19:21 -0500 Received: from compound.east.sun.com by suneast.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA16902; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:19:22 -0500 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.east.sun.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id NAA05794; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:19:05 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:19:05 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM Message-Id: <199802171919.NAA05794@compound.east.sun.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn To: jeff@aiai.ed.ac.uk Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: recommended References: <199802171550.PAA24179@gairsay.aiai.ed.ac.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under 19.14 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org : It looks interesting, but is it supposed to be possible to download : it? I can't get anything on the initial page to work reasonably : and keep getting things like Try www.alphaworks.ibm.com and select the jikes debugger link To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Feb 17 12:02:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08284 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:02:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.learnps.com (mail.learnps.com [207.33.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08207 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:02:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from acapell@value.net) Received: from value.net (sj38.gadzoox.com [170.1.193.38]) by mail.learnps.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12850 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:58:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34E9EBD7.3DDB6BE8@value.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:58:15 -0800 From: Adam Capell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Sunsoft swing classes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has tried using Sunsoft's Swing with the FreeBSD implementation of JDK? Any problems? Just running apps built with Swing seems to work OK, but there are huge differences in appearence between Win32 and Motif components, so much that they don't seem to be the same components at all. The JDirectoryPane is one example. Anyone else notice this? Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Feb 17 12:11:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11090 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:11:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11059 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:11:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kelly@plutotech.com) Received: from plutotech.com (tampopo.plutotech.com [206.168.67.161]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23128; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:11:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34E9EEFE.D24DAA09@plutotech.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:11:42 -0700 From: Sean Kelly Organization: Pluto Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Capell CC: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sunsoft swing classes References: <34E9EBD7.3DDB6BE8@value.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Swing seems to work OK, but > there are huge differences in appearence between Win32 and Motif > components, so much that they don't seem to be the same components at > all. That's part of the point of Swing: you get a standard look-and-feel no matter what platform you're using. Although the goals of the AWT are noble, it turns out for some applications that a native look-and-feel from platform to platform works out to be sub-optimal. Swing applications look the same from platform to platform. Depending on the application and the environment, that's better. (Consider an enterprise with many different desktop clients and a company-wide application. Supporting that with manuals and tech support is much easier if the programs looks the same on Wendy's Mac as it does Carl's UNIX system and Lisa's Windows box.) (Of course, in Swing you can change the look-and-feel at run time. :-) --Sean PS: And it's entirely possible I missed the point you were trying to make. If so, sorry! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Feb 17 13:45:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28175 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:45:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pluto.plutotech.com (mail.plutotech.com [206.168.67.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28161 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:44:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kelly@plutotech.com) Received: from plutotech.com (tampopo.plutotech.com [206.168.67.161]) by pluto.plutotech.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27384; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:44:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34EA04D4.5608730A@plutotech.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:44:52 -0700 From: Sean Kelly Organization: Pluto Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nate Williams CC: Adam Capell , java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sunsoft swing classes References: <34E9EBD7.3DDB6BE8@value.net> <34E9EEFE.D24DAA09@plutotech.com> <199802172134.OAA29842@mt.sri.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nate Williams wrote: > > Swing applications look the same from platform to > > platform. > > That is no longer the case. They have a different look and feel now > depending on the platform, which is IMHO a step in the wrong direction. > But, it's apparently necessary to skirt legal/licensing issues. I'll say. Do they achieve this by using the native widgets or by drawing things differently depending on the platform? Damn lawyers. They really know how to screw up good software. --Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Feb 17 13:45:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28202 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:45:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28170 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:45:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA28668; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:33:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA29832; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:33:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:33:38 -0700 Message-Id: <199802172133.OAA29832@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Adam Capell Cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sunsoft swing classes In-Reply-To: <34E9EBD7.3DDB6BE8@value.net> References: <34E9EBD7.3DDB6BE8@value.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Has tried using Sunsoft's Swing with the FreeBSD implementation of JDK? Yes. > Any problems? Sometimes the 'signal' bug mentioned on the WWW page shows up, but not consistantly. > Just running apps built with Swing seems to work OK, but > there are huge differences in appearence between Win32 and Motif > components, so much that they don't seem to be the same components at > all. This is 'the way things are'. Previous versions of the Swing releases had the same 'look and feel', but given the recent legal affairs between Sun and M$, the Swing folks felt it might be asking for trouble to have the same look as Win32 on Unix, so now the Swing uses the 'motif' look and feel (which requires you to use the motif.jar library under unix but not under Win32). Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Feb 17 13:47:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28486 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:47:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28203 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:45:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA28672; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:34:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA29842; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:34:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:34:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199802172134.OAA29842@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Sean Kelly Cc: Adam Capell , java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sunsoft swing classes In-Reply-To: <34E9EEFE.D24DAA09@plutotech.com> References: <34E9EBD7.3DDB6BE8@value.net> <34E9EEFE.D24DAA09@plutotech.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Swing seems to work OK, but > > there are huge differences in appearence between Win32 and Motif > > components, so much that they don't seem to be the same components at > > all. > > That's part of the point of Swing: you get a standard look-and-feel no > matter what platform you're using. > > Although the goals of the AWT are noble, it turns out for some > applications that a native look-and-feel from platform to platform works > out to be sub-optimal. Swing applications look the same from platform to > platform. That is no longer the case. They have a different look and feel now depending on the platform, which is IMHO a step in the wrong direction. But, it's apparently necessary to skirt legal/licensing issues. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Feb 17 14:09:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01745 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:09:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [208.131.56.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01674 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:08:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from notwerk@calweb.com) Received: by mail.calweb.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13662; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:08:39 -0800 (PST) X-SMTP: helo web1.calweb.com from notwerk@calweb.com server notwerk@web1.calweb.com ip 208.131.56.51 Received: (from notwerk@localhost) by web1.calweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06589; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:08:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980217140837.17539@calweb.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:08:37 -0800 From: Giao Nguyen To: Nate Williams , Sean Kelly Cc: Adam Capell , java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sunsoft swing classes References: <34E9EBD7.3DDB6BE8@value.net> <34E9EEFE.D24DAA09@plutotech.com> <199802172134.OAA29842@mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199802172134.OAA29842@mt.sri.com>; from Nate Williams on Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 02:34:48PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nate Williams said: > > Although the goals of the AWT are noble, it turns out for some > > applications that a native look-and-feel from platform to platform works > > out to be sub-optimal. Swing applications look the same from platform to > > platform. > > That is no longer the case. They have a different look and feel now > depending on the platform, which is IMHO a step in the wrong direction. > But, it's apparently necessary to skirt legal/licensing issues. This will be until the new look and feels are complete. For example the Metal look and feel and the Mac look and feel. Again, if legal problems exist for the Mac L&F, we always have the Metal L&F which looks pretty Giao To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Feb 17 14:15:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03191 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:15:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03082 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:14:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA28757; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:47:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA29926; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:47:07 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:47:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199802172147.OAA29926@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Sean Kelly Cc: Nate Williams , Adam Capell , java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sunsoft swing classes In-Reply-To: <34EA04D4.5608730A@plutotech.com> References: <34E9EBD7.3DDB6BE8@value.net> <34E9EEFE.D24DAA09@plutotech.com> <199802172134.OAA29842@mt.sri.com> <34EA04D4.5608730A@plutotech.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Swing applications look the same from platform to > > > platform. > > > > That is no longer the case. They have a different look and feel now > > depending on the platform, which is IMHO a step in the wrong direction. > > But, it's apparently necessary to skirt legal/licensing issues. > > I'll say. > > Do they achieve this by using the native widgets or by drawing things > differently depending on the platform? Differently. They plug a different 'look and feel' into the system. Note, you can provide provide your own 'native' look and feel and use it on all the systems, but it no longers comes that way out of the box. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Feb 17 14:44:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07866 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:44:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07796 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:43:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: (from hasty@localhost) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24882; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:01:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:01:16 -0800 (PST) From: Amancio Hasty Message-Id: <199802172201.OAA24882@rah.star-gate.com> To: kelly@plutotech.com, nate@mt.sri.com Subject: Re: Sunsoft swing classes Cc: acapell@value.net, java@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <34EA04D4.5608730A@plutotech.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try looking up the swing connection at suns web site : http://www.javasoft.com swing are light weight components unlike awt -- this means that they do the rendering in java . Cheers, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Feb 17 15:06:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13289 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:06:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxy.fastparts.com (qmailr@proxy.fastparts.com [208.201.54.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA13143 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:06:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from awd@fastparts.com) Received: (qmail 23374 invoked from network); 17 Feb 1998 23:05:57 -0000 Received: from resistor.fastparts.com (HELO fastparts.com) (208.201.54.220) by proxy.fastparts.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 1998 23:05:57 -0000 Message-ID: <34EA1805.558724CB@fastparts.com> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:06:45 -0600 From: "Adam W. Dace" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nate Williams CC: Sean Kelly , Adam Capell , java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sunsoft swing classes References: <34E9EBD7.3DDB6BE8@value.net> <34E9EEFE.D24DAA09@plutotech.com> <199802172134.OAA29842@mt.sri.com> <34EA04D4.5608730A@plutotech.com> <199802172147.OAA29926@mt.sri.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nate Williams wrote: > > Do they achieve this by using the native widgets or by drawing things > > differently depending on the platform? > > Differently. They plug a different 'look and feel' into the system. > Note, you can provide provide your own 'native' look and feel and use it > on all the systems, but it no longers comes that way out of the box. Interesting! Don't mind me chiming in(unfortunately I don't have the time right now to really contribute to the FBSD port of java, but keep it brewing!), but I didn't realize this was the case under Unix. That's okay though. It sounds to me like it's time for someone to setup a .org domain, then start shipping GPL'ed (can lawyers sue an organization that doesn't make any money?) pluggable Look'n'Feel modules that look -exactly- like Windows95, MacOS, NextStep(why not?), etc. I'm sure someone will find a way around this hangup sooner or later. Heck, if they don't, I'd be up to cloning a Look'n'Feel once the 1.2 API settles down... Still in the world of JDK 1.1.x, -- Adam W. Dace (AD332) | E-Mail: awd@fastparts.com Software Programmer | Office URL: http://www.fastparts.com/ FastParts, Inc. | Personal URL: http://www.turing.com/awd/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Feb 17 15:25:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18861 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:25:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shire.domestic.de (kuebart.stuttgart.netsurf.de [194.233.216.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18823 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:24:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joki@kuebart.stuttgart.netsurf.de) Received: from yacht.domestic.de (yacht.domestic.de [192.168.1.4]) by shire.domestic.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA02531 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:23:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from joki@shire.domestic.de) From: Joachim Kuebart Received: (from joki@localhost) by yacht.domestic.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) id BAA08248 for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:25:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from joki@shire.domestic.de) Message-Id: <199802180025.BAA08248@yacht.domestic.de> Subject: appletviewer Problem To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG (Java Liste) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:25:50 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, IÄm using the latest jdk1.1.5, but my appletviewer refuses to work when I enter URLs instead of file names. Sometimes the Applet starts but doesn't run, and sometimes it just locks without even opening a window. Does this work better for anyone else? cu Jo --------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve Joachim Kuebart Tel: +49 711 653706 Replicants are like any other machine -- Germany they're either a benefit or a hazard. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Feb 17 15:37:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21580 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:37:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from damon.com (MIC3gmVY4sZxF4Rhf9oH9+yPVlxuISAn@damon.com [207.170.114.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21508 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:36:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dap@damon.com) Received: (from dap@localhost) by damon.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA07632; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:35:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dap) From: Damon Permezel Message-Id: <199802172335.RAA07632@damon.com> Subject: Re: appletviewer Problem In-Reply-To: <199802180025.BAA08248@yacht.domestic.de> from Joachim Kuebart at "Feb 18, 98 01:25:50 am" To: joki@kuebart.stuttgart.netsurf.de (Joachim Kuebart) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:35:21 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Joachim Kuebart sez: " > Hi, > > IÄm using the latest jdk1.1.5, but my appletviewer refuses to work > when I enter URLs instead of file names. Sometimes the Applet starts > but doesn't run, and sometimes it just locks without even opening a > window. Does this work better for anyone else? > What is the output of "java -version"? what version of the OS are you running? What happens if you do: pid=the_pid_of_the_java_running_the_appletviewer while :; do kill -IO $pid sleep 1 done Does this help? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Feb 17 15:42:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22777 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:42:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22678 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:42:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA29592; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:42:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA01016; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:42:02 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:42:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199802172342.QAA01016@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Adam W. Dace" Cc: Nate Williams , java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sunsoft swing classes In-Reply-To: <34EA1805.558724CB@fastparts.com> References: <34E9EBD7.3DDB6BE8@value.net> <34E9EEFE.D24DAA09@plutotech.com> <199802172134.OAA29842@mt.sri.com> <34EA04D4.5608730A@plutotech.com> <199802172147.OAA29926@mt.sri.com> <34EA1805.558724CB@fastparts.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > That's okay though. It sounds to me like it's time for someone to setup > a .org domain, then start shipping GPL'ed (can lawyers sue an > organization that doesn't make any money?) pluggable Look'n'Feel modules > that look -exactly- like Windows95, MacOS, NextStep(why not?), etc. Not a smart idea. Copyright/trademark law applies to people who don't make money the same as people who make money. Note the recent 'Boggle' thread FreeBSD just went through. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Feb 17 15:58:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25792 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:58:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25741 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:58:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA29720; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:58:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA01179; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:58:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:58:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199802172358.QAA01179@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 To: Joachim Kuebart Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG (Java Liste) Subject: Re: appletviewer Problem In-Reply-To: <199802180025.BAA08248@yacht.domestic.de> References: <199802180025.BAA08248@yacht.domestic.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id PAA25758 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > IÄm using the latest jdk1.1.5, but my appletviewer refuses to work > when I enter URLs instead of file names. Sometimes the Applet starts > but doesn't run, and sometimes it just locks without even opening a > window. Does this work better for anyone else? All I can say is that it works for me. What URL are you using? (I just did the following command: appletviewer "http://www.javasoft.com:81/index.html?" Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Tue Feb 17 16:10:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA27333 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:10:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA27323 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:10:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Anthony.Kimball@East.Sun.COM) Received: from East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id QAA03450; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:09:03 -0800 Received: from suneast.East.Sun.COM by East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) id TAA25039; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:08:59 -0500 Received: from compound.east.sun.com by suneast.East.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA24976; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:08:59 -0500 Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.east.sun.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id SAA06847; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:08:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:08:40 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802180008.SAA06847@compound.east.sun.com> From: Tony Kimball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Face: O9M"E%K;(f-Go/XDxL+pCxI5*gr[=FN@Y`cl1.Tn Reply-To: alk@pobox.com To: nate@mt.sri.com Cc: awd@fastparts.com, java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sunsoft swing classes References: <34E9EBD7.3DDB6BE8@value.net> <34E9EEFE.D24DAA09@plutotech.com> <199802172134.OAA29842@mt.sri.com> <34EA04D4.5608730A@plutotech.com> <199802172147.OAA29926@mt.sri.com> <34EA1805.558724CB@fastparts.com> <199802172342.QAA01016@mt.sri.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.33 under 19.14 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoth Nate Williams on Tue, 17 February: : > That's okay though. It sounds to me like it's time for someone to setup : > a .org domain, then start shipping GPL'ed (can lawyers sue an : > organization that doesn't make any money?) pluggable Look'n'Feel modules : > that look -exactly- like Windows95, MacOS, NextStep(why not?), etc. : : Not a smart idea. Copyright/trademark law applies to people who don't : make money the same as people who make money. Note the recent 'Boggle' : thread FreeBSD just went through. : Oh it's a *very* good idea! An LLC with no assets is the closest you can get to being lawsuit-proof. (The coders obviously incur no liabilities, only the publisher.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Feb 18 01:45:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26223 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:45:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.learnps.com (mail.learnps.com [207.33.95.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA26213 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:45:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adam.capell@learnps.com) Received: from learnps.com (omnibot.learnps.com [207.33.95.98]) by mail.learnps.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA17145 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:41:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34EAAC75.411F81E8@learnps.com> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 01:40:05 -0800 From: Adam Capell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sunsoft swing classes References: <34E9EBD7.3DDB6BE8@value.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Boy, am I stupid. Sunsoft is not finished with the Components I mentioned. Some motif versions have more functionality than the Win32 versions in this release. But I am finally glad to be seeing these things on both platforms. Adam Capell wrote: > Has tried using Sunsoft's Swing with the FreeBSD implementation of JDK? > Any problems? Just running apps built with Swing seems to work OK, but > there are huge differences in appearence between Win32 and Motif > components, so much that they don't seem to be the same components at > all. The JDirectoryPane is one example. Anyone else notice this? > > Adam > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Feb 18 04:41:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA26266 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:41:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from team.uni-c.dk (team.uni-c.dk [130.228.9.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA26225 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 04:41:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Lennart.Sorth@uni-c.dk) Received: (from unils@localhost) by team.uni-c.dk (8.7.6/8.7.1) id NAA19294 for freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:40:59 +0100 (MET) From: Lennart Sorth Message-Id: <199802181240.NAA19294@team.uni-c.dk> Subject: javac and Java/VRML authoring tools anyone ? To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:40:59 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks to all You great people, I have now JDK 1.1.5 up and running on my FreeBSD2.2.5. thanks. But - the reason why I requested it, was that I would like to get VRwave (http://www2.iicm.edu/vrwave) or Vrweb (http://www2.iicm.edu/vrweb) installed. VRweb is a VRML 1.0 browser, of which the 1.3 version is available as a FreebSD binary, but the 1.5 is not (closest is a Linux version) The source is public, and believe me, I have tried a lot to get it compiled, - but it's been too long time since I had any hands-on experience in porting stuff, so I am reall somewhat rusty I have even gone so far as to try using the Linux binary (modload Linux...) but it fails when it wants to draw on the screen - some shared object fails - which I am ready to accept, as Linux and FreeBSD are not that alike) PLEA #1: Has anyone got the VRweb 1.5 running on FreeBSD, I would be very very happy - the 1.5 includes editing facilities, - I am getting a bit tired of using vi() as my VRML authoring tool number One. ;-) VRwave is a Java/VRML2.0 browser - which shoyld be the successor of VRweb - but here I am completely out of luck ... This is what I needed the javac for, - and as soon as I had that, I could get a little further (beforehand the compilation coredumped after roughly 127 miliseconds ;-/ ) But I still can't get the Imake/make system to produce much else but "No such file or directory" errors ... its amazing that this thing should be compileable anywhere - but again, I'm pretty sure it must me caused by my fading knowlede of the once so useable Imake system. PLEA #2: Has anyone got the VRwave running on FreeBSD, I would be very very happy indeed. Both VRweb and VRwave are said to compile under almost any Unix platform (including SGI, Sun, Dec, HP, IBM, Linux, BSD) and Windows (NT, 95, 3.x) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Feb 18 09:59:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26709 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:59:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from teel.info-noire.com (XP11-1-5-04.interlinx.qc.ca [207.253.79.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA26546 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:58:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@gel.usherb.ca) Received: from localhost (alex@localhost) by teel.info-noire.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA16830; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:02:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from alex@teel.info-noire.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:02:48 -0500 (EST) From: Alex Boisvert Reply-To: boia01@gel.usherb.ca To: Tony Kimball cc: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sunsoft swing classes In-Reply-To: <199802180008.SAA06847@compound.east.sun.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Tony Kimball wrote: > Quoth Nate Williams on Tue, 17 February: > : > That's okay though. It sounds to me like it's time for someone to setup > : > a .org domain, then start shipping GPL'ed (can lawyers sue an > : > organization that doesn't make any money?) pluggable Look'n'Feel modules > : > that look -exactly- like Windows95, MacOS, NextStep(why not?), etc. > : > : Not a smart idea. Copyright/trademark law applies to people who don't > : make money the same as people who make money. Note the recent 'Boggle' > : thread FreeBSD just went through. > : > > Oh it's a *very* good idea! An LLC with no assets is the closest you > can get to being lawsuit-proof. (The coders obviously incur no > liabilities, only the publisher.) > I can't say anything for the US, but in Canada if you did that, the administrators of the corporation WOULD be considered possible lawsuit targets has they have a 'civil' responsibility with respect to law. That's why administrators who fraud can be sued... and that's a very good thing. There's probably an equivalent concept in the US. Wanna be the administrator, not just the coder? ;0) Alex. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Wed Feb 18 22:52:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA18781 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:52:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA18766 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:52:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12763 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:51:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199802190651.WAA12763@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: http://www.geom.umn.edu/java/JGV/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:51:58 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org JGV: 3D Viewing in Java JGV is a Java program that lets you embed movable 3D objects in Web pages. Users can rotate, scale, and translate the objects interactively with the mouse. .... JGV is written entirely in Java and it looks like it is cool for small applets. Have fun, Amancio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Feb 19 08:03:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07441 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:03:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxy.fastparts.com (qmailr@proxy.fastparts.com [208.201.54.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA07429 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:03:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from awd@fastparts.com) Received: (qmail 5088 invoked from network); 19 Feb 1998 15:56:36 -0000 Received: from resistor.fastparts.com (HELO fastparts.com) (208.201.54.220) by proxy.fastparts.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 1998 15:56:36 -0000 Message-ID: <34EC5668.DB3255D0@fastparts.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:57:28 -0600 From: "Adam W. Dace" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: boia01@gel.usherb.ca CC: Tony Kimball , java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sunsoft swing classes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alex Boisvert wrote: > > Oh it's a *very* good idea! An LLC with no assets is the closest you > > can get to being lawsuit-proof. (The coders obviously incur no > > liabilities, only the publisher.) > > I can't say anything for the US, but in Canada if you did that, the > administrators of the corporation WOULD be considered possible lawsuit > targets has they have a 'civil' responsibility with respect to law. > > That's why administrators who fraud can be sued... and that's a very good > thing. There's probably an equivalent concept in the US. > > Wanna be the administrator, not just the coder? ;0) Not particularly, I just want to see it happen. Imagine pulling up a Java-based mail tool(or anything else for that matter) and having a Look'n'Feel menu that gives you the following options: Win95, MacOS, Motif, Java, Metal, OpenStep, Rhapsody. *chuckle* A lot of Internet gambling companies and other misc. companies have been setting up shop in countries like Anguilla where they pay a fixed setup fee, then hardly anything in taxes. This also protects them from U.S. law. I wonder what the law in Anguilla would be? :-) In many cases like this, it's quite possible to be living in the U.S., but have a corporation or other entity setup in another country. Ahh the joys of legalese(something I am definietly not complete cogniscent of, but enjoy theorizing about). -- Adam W. Dace (AD332) | E-Mail: awd@fastparts.com Software Programmer | Office URL: http://www.fastparts.com/ FastParts, Inc. | Personal URL: http://www.turing.com/awd/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Feb 19 12:05:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14219 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:05:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [209.133.7.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA14213 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:05:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03116 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:04:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199802192004.MAA03116@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: kernel socket fix Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:04:57 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To those working on the jdk , Not sure if this is going to help however it does look rather interesting 8) Enjoy, Amancio fenner 1998/02/19 11:38:21 PST Modified files: sys/kern uipc_socket.c Log: Revert sosend() to its behavior from 4.3-Tahoe and before: if so_error is set, clear it before returning it. The behavior introduced in 4.3-Reno (to not clear so_error) causes potentially transient errors (e.g. ECONNREFUSED if the other end hasn't opened its socket yet) to be permanent on connected datagram sockets that are only used for writing. (soreceive() clears so_error before returning it, as does getsockopt(...,SO_ERROR,...).) Submitted by: Van Jacobson , via a comment in the vat sources. Revision Changes Path 1.37 +7 -3 src/sys/kern/uipc_socket.c To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Feb 19 15:05:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09249 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:05:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sniff.iway.nl (sniff.iway.nl [193.78.30.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09241 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:05:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from iang@systemics.com) Received: from hayek.guvnet (noddy [192.168.1.5]) by sniff.iway.nl (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA00586; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:19:47 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <34ECBB05.7A5F06AF@systemics.com> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:06:45 +0000 From: Ian Grigg Organization: Systemics X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-971022-SNAP i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Adam W. Dace" CC: java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sunsoft swing classes References: <34EC5668.DB3255D0@fastparts.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > *chuckle* A lot of Internet gambling companies and other misc. > companies have been setting up shop in countries like Anguilla where > they pay a fixed setup fee, then hardly anything in taxes. This also > protects them from U.S. law. Anguilla doesn't allow gambling, last I heard, although Antigua is big on it. If you are really interested, I'll check next week, I am going to Anguilla for the Financial Cryptography conference. After that little name dropping exercise, I'll drop out of this Java-contentless conversation :-) -- iang systemics.com FP: 1189 4417 F202 5DBD 5DF3 4FCD 3685 FDDE on pgp.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Feb 19 17:01:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05331 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:01:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from orion.ign.com.au (root@orion.ign.com.au [203.30.192.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05232 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:00:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from psl@ign.com.au) Received: from claude3 (usr-ppp51.ign.com.au [203.30.192.115]) by orion.ign.com.au (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02112 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:00:02 +1100 Message-ID: <34ECD681.41C67EA6@ign.com.au> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:04:01 +1100 From: Philip Sydney Lavers Organization: GeoBits Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: i downloaded java now what? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have down loaded java and installed it in /usr/local/jdk1.1.5 as recommended I did this because my Netscape 3.01 will not view a web site, www.geobits.com that my kids gave me as a birthday present, although any of my win95 browsers see it ok I thought the problem might have been a lack of java on my system Now I have more problems that I am not competent to solve: 1 I had to su to root to get the tar to work. now Icant get into the /usr/local/jdk1.1.5 as an ordinaryt user 2 even when i su back to root and get ino /usr/local/jdk1.1.5/demo/Clock say what do I do to run the demonstration? Is there some sort of exe or bin somewhere that I should invoke first I can navigate into the demo files with my navigator (funnily as a user, not root) but I cant get any demos to run - all I get is a java source code listing i am trying to eschew Microsoft and encourage others to do the same via FreeBSD or Linux, but it is an uphill battle all the way. I realise everything would be easier if i were an unix guru, but i am not and have better things to do than to try to become one. I would be grateful for some help. ps Netscape help does not reply to my problem report thanking you To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Feb 19 17:40:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11431 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:40:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oznet02.ozemail.com.au (oznet02.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11401 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:40:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe.shevland@horizonti.com) Received: from jupiter ([203.33.128.245]) by oznet02.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA22476; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:40:22 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199802200140.MAA22476@oznet02.ozemail.com.au> From: "Joe Shevland" To: "Philip Sydney Lavers" Cc: Subject: Re: i downloaded java now what? Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:38:43 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Apologies for any paragraph mangling that occurs as a result of using an as-expected shocking M$ mail client. > I have down loaded java and installed it in /usr/local/jdk1.1.5 as > recommended > I did this because my Netscape 3.01 will not view a web site, > www.geobits.com that my kids gave me as a birthday present, although any > of my win95 browsers see it ok > I thought the problem might have been a lack of java on my system Browser's use their own virtual machine, so you don't need to have a JDK or JRE installed. > Now I have more problems that I am not competent to solve: > 1 > I had to su to root to get the tar to work. now Icant get into the > /usr/local/jdk1.1.5 as an ordinaryt user Use 'chmod' and 'chown' to alter permissions on the files that have been installed. These routines use octal values to specify read/write/execute permissions. Although I would have thought the installation process would fix permissions for you. e.g. chmod 777 'filename' will give owner, group and world read, write and execute privs. > 2 > even when i su back to root and get ino /usr/local/jdk1.1.5/demo/Clock > say what do I do to run the demonstration? 'appletviewer ' from the command line will work, as will navigating to this directory using a browser (I've set up apache on localhost to do this). Applications (as opposed to applets) use the 'java' command line script/executable. > i am trying to eschew Microsoft and encourage others to do the same via > FreeBSD or Linux A noble pursuit. > I realise > everything would be easier if i were an unix guru, but i am not and have > better things to do than to try to become one. I would be grateful for > some help. I agree. FreeBSD would be an even more potent platform if it become more accessible to the average user. Hopefully Java will have a large part ot play in providing nice frontends and admin tools :) Hope this helped. ********************************************************************** Joe Shevland - Horizon Technologies International Email: joe.shevland@horizonti.com We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars - Oscar Wilde ********************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Feb 19 21:39:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18819 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:39:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oznet07.ozemail.com.au (oznet07.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18800 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:39:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe.shevland@horizonti.com) Received: from jupiter ([203.33.128.245]) by oznet07.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA15186 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:39:13 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199802200539.QAA15186@oznet07.ozemail.com.au> From: "Joe Shevland" To: Subject: Admin Tool Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:37:34 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is the following possible? ----------------------------------------------- (Sorry in advance for what my M$ mail client is going to do to the paragraphs). As often happens to me on a Friday afternoon I lose the will to work. I've been following the discussions on the hackers and config mailing lists about administration tools and frontends (especially for /stand/sysinstall). This idea may be shot down, but its worth a try. Could the following be performed: 1) Install a version of the JDK as a default on FBSD installation media. (Maybe start with 1.1.5 and then get the installation to later suck down the current version from a repository?) 2) When the media boots, launch the Java interpreter and execute the installation application. (What does the Java interpreter require as far as system libraries and other files go? Simple console I/O would be all that's required, I guess, initially). 3) Have the app determine whether the client can run a generic VGA mode, and if not launch the text-only Java application. If so, install X and fire up a nice GUI installation tool (I'm volunteering to write any C or Java code necessary if some other kernel guru can point out what's required as far as booting and determining video card hardware capabilities etc. I think a collaborative effort would be the only way to go anyway, as far as gathering opinions and preferences.) 4) Away we go with the installation... ? The reason I raise this is that IMHO all that is stopping FreeBSD from becoming not only a powerful enterprise solution, but also a user friendly platform is its frontend. Not everyone is a Unix guru :). The benefits of this, I think, would be huge. The interface could be standardised among other admin tools, maybe providing ones for setting up DNS, users, devices etc... With Java's sweet networking API's and other powerful API's, remote admin and many other doors would open. Just some idle thoughts... ********************************************************************** Joe Shevland - Horizon Technologies International Email: joe.shevland@horizonti.com We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars - Oscar Wilde ********************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Feb 19 21:44:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19576 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:44:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19539 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:44:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA19724; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:44:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA11857; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:43:55 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:43:55 -0700 Message-Id: <199802200543.WAA11857@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Philip Sydney Lavers Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: i downloaded java now what? In-Reply-To: <34ECD681.41C67EA6@ign.com.au> References: <34ECD681.41C67EA6@ign.com.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have down loaded java and installed it in /usr/local/jdk1.1.5 as > recommended > I did this because my Netscape 3.01 will not view a web site, > www.geobits.com that my kids gave me as a birthday present, although any > of my win95 browsers see it ok Installing java will not help you, since the java inside of the browser is a completely independent work from the JDK. The purpose of the JDK is to develop Java programs, sort of like having a C compiler. To run applets, you need a better browser. Try getting a newer version of netscape (available in ports). Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Feb 19 21:59:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21269 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:59:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oznet07.ozemail.com.au (oznet07.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21261 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:59:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joe.shevland@horizonti.com) Received: from jupiter ([203.33.128.245]) by oznet07.ozemail.com.au (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA20371; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:59:01 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199802200559.QAA20371@oznet07.ozemail.com.au> From: "Joe Shevland" To: "Nate Williams" , "Philip Sydney Lavers" Cc: Subject: Re: i downloaded java now what? Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 16:57:20 +1100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: Nate Williams > [trim] > To run applets, you need a better browser. Try getting a newer version > of netscape (available in ports). Or download Netscape Communicator from the Netscape site. I'm not sure if this supports 1.1, but all 1.0.2 applets I've used have been fine. Does the FBSD port of the JDK not come with an appletviewer? (Sorry to bother the mailing list with this question but I haven't installed 1.1.5 yet. A private reply is all that required, and thanks in advance. My address is joe.shevland@horizonti.com). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Thu Feb 19 23:46:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03902 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:46:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from orion.ign.com.au (root@orion.ign.com.au [203.30.192.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03897 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:46:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from psl@ign.com.au) Received: from claude3 (usr-ppp61.ign.com.au [203.30.192.125] (may be forged)) by orion.ign.com.au (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA13597; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:46:02 +1100 Message-ID: <34ED35A3.41C67EA6@ign.com.au> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 18:49:55 +1100 From: Philip Sydney Lavers Organization: GeoBits Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Nash CC: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: i downloaded java now what? and also Netscape 4 References: <199802200131.TAA10758@nash.pr.mcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alex Nash wrote: > > On 20 Feb, Philip Sydney Lavers wrote: > > I have down loaded java and installed it in /usr/local/jdk1.1.5 as > > recommended > > I did this because my Netscape 3.01 will not view a web site, > > The JDK will not assist Netscape in anything Java related. > > > www.geobits.com that my kids gave me as a birthday present, although any > > of my win95 browsers see it ok > > I thought the problem might have been a lack of java on my system > > As much as I detest the unreliability of later versions of Netscape, > you could probably view it ok if you installed Netscape 4.04. Netscape > 4.04 is available in the ports collection. Holler if you don't know > how to use the ports collection. > Thanks for the many useful advices so far from Alex and others Regarding Netscape 4.04 I downloaded it as suggested. When I try to run it I get: quote ld.so: warning: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6.0: minor version 0 older than expected 3, using it anyway ld.so: warning: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6.0: minor version 0 older than expected 1, using it anyway ld.so: warning: /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6.0: minor version 0 older than expected 3, using it anyway ld.so failed: Can't find shared library "libg++.so.4.0" unquote wow! what does this all mean? Do I need to link in g++ or something? sorry for this trouble but I would like to read web pages from FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Feb 20 09:20:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27021 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:20:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA26948 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:20:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23764; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:19:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA13356; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:19:43 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:19:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199802201719.KAA13356@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Joe Shevland" Cc: "Nate Williams" , "Philip Sydney Lavers" , Subject: Re: i downloaded java now what? In-Reply-To: <199802200559.QAA20371@oznet07.ozemail.com.au> References: <199802200559.QAA20371@oznet07.ozemail.com.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > [trim] > > To run applets, you need a better browser. Try getting a newer version > > of netscape (available in ports). > > Or download Netscape Communicator from the Netscape site. I'm not sure > if this supports 1.1, but all 1.0.2 applets I've used have been fine. This is what I meant. The ports stuff do this for you automatically. > Does the FBSD port of the JDK not come with an appletviewer? Yep, but you will only see the applet, and it rarely does you much good without the accompanying html page. Hence, it really only good for developing applets. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Feb 20 14:10:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12241 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:10:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from orion.ign.com.au (root@orion.ign.com.au [203.30.192.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA12232 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:10:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from psl@ign.com.au) Received: from claude3 (usr-ppp36.ign.com.au [203.30.192.100]) by orion.ign.com.au (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA31163; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 08:56:53 +1100 Message-ID: <34EDFD0F.41C67EA6@ign.com.au> Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:00:47 +1100 From: Philip Sydney Lavers Organization: GeoBits Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Nash CC: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: i downloaded java now what? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alex Nash wrote: > > > If you have the 2.2.5 CD, you can find the port files in > /cdrom/ports/www/netscape4. this is a sore point with me I have twice paid good money for a cdrom "TurboFreeBSD" from Pacific HiTech through Dymocks in Sydney, Australia. The version is 2.1.5 allegedly the latest. Firstly I get a message that the CDrom is not authentic, but proceeded anyway and am thus this far Secondly, there are no ports, just a message saying that these are now on a second cdrom, which however is not wrapped in the package? I cannot find any other cdrom source in Sydney. Thus I must rely on downloading Otherwise, you can download it from > > ftp://ftp.cdrom.com/pub/FreeBSD ok I will do this. then should I proceed as if i got the port from the cdrom? as you show below? > > If you're using the CD, simply copy the port into your /tmp directory: > > # cp -r /cdrom/ports/www/netscape4 /tmp > > then cd to the port directory: > > # cd /tmp/netscape4 > > and install the port: > > # make install > > You can then run /usr/local/bin/netscape as psl thanks again To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Feb 20 14:27:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA15310 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:27:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA15299 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 14:27:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.7) id JAA07255; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:27:24 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199802202227.JAA07255@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: i downloaded java now what? In-Reply-To: <34EDFD0F.41C67EA6@ign.com.au> from Philip Sydney Lavers at "Feb 21, 98 09:00:47 am" To: psl@ign.com.au (Philip Sydney Lavers) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 09:27:23 +1100 (EST) Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Philip Sydney Lavers wrote: > Secondly, there are no ports, just a message saying that these are now > on a second cdrom, which however is not wrapped in the package? I cannot > find any other cdrom source in Sydney. > Thus I must rely on downloading I buy FreeBSD CDs direct from Walnut Creek and use the ports from there. But netscape always expires on me so I have to download direct and use the -current port (on 2.2.5). I suggest you forget about Oz book stores and go direct too. Fax WC an order with a credit card number and you'll get a 4-CD set in your mailbox within 2 weeks. Regards, -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@netbsd.org; jb@freebsd.org CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-java Fri Feb 20 20:50:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24687 for freebsd-java-outgoing; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:50:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA24679 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 20:50:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@vnode.vmunix.com) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15890; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:58:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mark) Message-ID: <19980220235815.17053@vmunix.com> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 23:58:15 -0500 From: Mark Mayo To: Lennart Sorth , freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: javac and Java/VRML authoring tools anyone ? References: <199802181240.NAA19294@team.uni-c.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199802181240.NAA19294@team.uni-c.dk>; from Lennart Sorth on Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 01:40:59PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Feb 18, 1998 at 01:40:59PM +0100, Lennart Sorth wrote: > PLEA #1: > Has anyone got the VRweb 1.5 running on FreeBSD, I would be very > very happy - the 1.5 includes editing facilities, - I am getting > a bit tired of using vi() as my VRML authoring tool number One. ;-) I compiled up VRweb with no problems... if you can't compile it, just grab the BSDI version, it worked for me as well. You need MESA installed, BTW.. as well as a few other goodies that I can't recall right now. I had to tweek the makefiles a bit, but very simple stuff, like pointing to the GL libs and such... > > VRwave is a Java/VRML2.0 browser - which shoyld be the successor > of VRweb - but here I am completely out of luck ... > This is what I needed the javac for, - and as soon as I had that, > I could get a little further (beforehand the compilation coredumped > after roughly 127 miliseconds ;-/ ) Haven't tried this one.. Sorry. -Mark -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mark Mayo mark@vmunix.com RingZero Comp. http://www.vmunix.com/mark finger mark@vmunix.com for my PGP key and GCS code ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The problem is how do you build tools that understand your programs at a deeper semantic level." - James Gosling To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message