From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 11 11:47:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23857 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:47:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sar.anit.es (sar.anit.es [195.76.122.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23840 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:47:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swalk@anit.es) Received: from cyrix (p1h190.anit.es [195.76.122.190]) by sar.anit.es (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA27765; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 20:45:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981011175654.0097f210@sar.anit.es> X-Sender: swalk@sar.anit.es X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 17:56:54 +0200 To: Sue Blake From: Steven Walker Subject: Re: XFree86 & things Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981011080657.49962@welearn.com.au> References: <3.0.5.32.19981010215645.0080c210@sar.anit.es> <3.0.5.32.19981010215645.0080c210@sar.anit.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Thanks Sue, that was very helpful. >You mean XFree86? It gives you a graphical interface, like windoze, >rather than a commandline interface, like DOS. (Gee, I'd get shot down >in flames if I said that on another list!) Right, I will press on. Amazing the risks people will take to help a stranger :-)) > >Understood. That's the cost of free professional level support. One of the things which attracted me to FreeeBSB was the philosophy of sharing. At the moment I do not have a lot to give. > >They also help the developers to see and understand the problems faced by newbies. I had not thought of that. > >If for some peculiar reason you want a discussion-only group, somewhere >to let of steam amongst peers only, a place to be guided to the right >list or documentation that works for newbies, or to meet other newbies >who want to give back to the FreeBSD Project, you're here. Great. I look forward to it. Thanks. Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 12 06:39:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA22493 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 06:39:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.sic.shibaura-it.ac.jp (mail.sic.shibaura-it.ac.jp [202.18.114.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA22419 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 06:39:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from l94066@sic.shibaura-it.ac.jp) Received: from fso.o.sic.shibaura-it.ac.jp (fso.o.sic.shibaura-it.ac.jp [172.25.201.3]) by mail.sic.shibaura-it.ac.jp (8.9.0/3.7W-sic1.6) with ESMTP id WAA13164 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:38:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from default (oppp16.sras.sic.shibaura-it.ac.jp [192.168.9.16]) by fso.o.sic.shibaura-it.ac.jp (8.9.0/3.7W-o.sic1.6) with SMTP id WAA04642 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:38:56 +0900 (JST) From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCRURDZhsoQiAbJEI9KE9CGyhC?=" To: Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJE8kOCRhJF4kNyRGI0IjUyNEJE49aT80PFQkRyQ5ISMbKEI=?= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:38:21 +0900 Message-ID: <01bdf5e5$93cf6380$LocalHost@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org はじめまして ２週間程前にＦｒｅｅＢＳＤを、はじめたばかりの田中と申します。 この程 ports(ja-navigator-4.05, ja-communicator-4.05) をダウンロードしたのですが インストールするための tarball（Netscape-V405.gz)はどこで入手 すればよいのでしょうか？ 加えて、ブラウザに日本語を入力するためにはネットスケープの ４．０５のバージョン以降でないと扱えないのでしょうか？ 本当に初歩的な事を聞いて申し訳ございません。 もし、よろしければ教えてください。 失礼します。 =============================== 田中 秀和(Tanaka Hidekazu) E-Mail : l94066@sic.shibaura-it.ac.jp =============================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 12 06:40:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA23052 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 06:40:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.sic.shibaura-it.ac.jp (mail.sic.shibaura-it.ac.jp [202.18.114.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA22651 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 06:39:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from l94066@sic.shibaura-it.ac.jp) Received: from fso.o.sic.shibaura-it.ac.jp (fso.o.sic.shibaura-it.ac.jp [172.25.201.3]) by mail.sic.shibaura-it.ac.jp (8.9.0/3.7W-sic1.6) with ESMTP id WAA13160 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:38:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from default (oppp16.sras.sic.shibaura-it.ac.jp [192.168.9.16]) by fso.o.sic.shibaura-it.ac.jp (8.9.0/3.7W-o.sic1.6) with SMTP id WAA04639 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:38:54 +0900 (JST) From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCRURDZhsoQiAbJEI9KE9CGyhC?=" To: Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?cGF0aBskQiRPJEkkTiRoJCYkS0BfRGokOSRrJE4kRyQ5JCsbKEI/?= Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 22:34:56 +0900 Message-ID: <01bdf5e5$19c37e00$LocalHost@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 初めて、メールをします。 私は、２週間ほど前にＦｒｅｅＢＳＤをはじめた 田中と申します。 早速ですが、今回 ＪＤＫ1.1.6 をインストールしたのですが すぐには使えないようです。 PATHの設定が必要なようですがどのようにすればよいのでしょうか？ よろしければ教えてください。 ちなみに使っているシェルはｃｓｈです。 あと、/usr/local/java/bin にカレントディレクトリを移して javac filename.java と打っても Ｔｈｉｓ command is not found と表示されます。 何か他に原因があるのでしょうか？ ちゃんと、bin には java javac などのシェルらしき もので書かれたものが入っているのですが？ よろしければ、お願いします。 =0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0= Hidekazu Tanaka Mail : l94066@sic.shibaura-it.ac.jp =0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0=0= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 12 13:27:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03254 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:27:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03249 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:27:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA15780 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:27:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:27:05 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199810122027.NAA15780@pau-amma.whistle.com> Subject: Re: XFree86 & things Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981011080657.49962@welearn.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 08:06:57 +1000 >From: Sue Blake >> Maybe it is because I have no Unix background that I am finding it >> hard going. >Yep, that's a problem for all of us. We're trying to learn about a >particular unix operating system without knowing unix first. Ahem.... Please note that I'm *only* speaking (writing) for myself.... But there are some of us who are not at all "new" to UNIX (even UNIX of the BSD persuasion), but who are new to FreeBSD. In my case, for example, the primary challenge is figuring out how to deal with hardware that is either PC-specific (IDE drives, anyone?) or significantly more common on PC-type machines than (say) SPARCstations or UltraSPARCs. Dealing with the ways in which FreeBSD is idiosyncratic with respect to other UNIX variants (even BSD-ish ones) is comparatively minor. And for me, "explaining" a UNIX concept by referring to a Microsoft one is quite the wrong way 'round. david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 12 14:26:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA18656 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:26:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA18590 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:26:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id HAA03800; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:25:42 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19981013072536.11957@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 07:25:36 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: David Wolfskill Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XFree86 & things References: <19981011080657.49962@welearn.com.au> <199810122027.NAA15780@pau-amma.whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199810122027.NAA15780@pau-amma.whistle.com>; from David Wolfskill on Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 01:27:05PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 01:27:05PM -0700, David Wolfskill wrote: > >Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 08:06:57 +1000 > >From: Sue Blake > > >> Maybe it is because I have no Unix background that I am finding it > >> hard going. > > >Yep, that's a problem for all of us. We're trying to learn about a > >particular unix operating system without knowing unix first. > > Ahem.... Oops... > Please note that I'm *only* speaking (writing) for myself.... But there > are some of us who are not at all "new" to UNIX (even UNIX of the BSD > persuasion), but who are new to FreeBSD. OK, change "all" to "most of us" and make it less colloquial :-) > In my case, for example, the primary challenge is figuring out how to > deal with hardware that is either PC-specific (IDE drives, anyone?) or > significantly more common on PC-type machines than (say) SPARCstations > or UltraSPARCs. Dealing with the ways in which FreeBSD is idiosyncratic > with respect to other UNIX variants (even BSD-ish ones) is comparatively > minor. > > And for me, "explaining" a UNIX concept by referring to a Microsoft one > is quite the wrong way 'round. Sure, but I would never attempt to explain any unix concepts to you and this explanation was oriented towards the statistically most likely needs of the person I was addressing. I figured you'd cope, just like the other unix experts figure we microsoft refugees will cope without reference to what we already know. When such diverse backgrounds come together we all have our capacity for tolerance stretched to the limit. You might be pleased to note, though, that you were included in the newbies column of this month's Daemon News (http://www.daemonnews.org/newnewbies.html), even though its purpose is to describe the other kind of newbies :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 13 13:35:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18559 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:35:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sar.anit.es (sar.anit.es [195.76.122.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18547 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 13:35:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swalk@anit.es) Received: from cyrix (p1h181.anit.es [195.76.122.181]) by sar.anit.es (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA13715; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:34:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19981013212217.00945320@sar.anit.es> X-Sender: swalk@sar.anit.es X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:22:17 +0200 To: Sue Blake , David Wolfskill From: Steven Walker Subject: Re: XFree86 & things Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981013072536.11957@welearn.com.au> References: <199810122027.NAA15780@pau-amma.whistle.com> <19981011080657.49962@welearn.com.au> <199810122027.NAA15780@pau-amma.whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, >> >> And for me, "explaining" a UNIX concept by referring to a Microsoft one >> is quite the wrong way 'round. I am sure that you are right. This thread started when I was moaning about the difficulties facing complete novices. If you start explaining a Unix concept in Unix terms I am liable to wonder what you are talking about. > >Sure, but I would never attempt to explain any unix concepts to you and >this explanation was oriented towards the statistically most likely >needs of the person I was addressing. I figured you'd cope, I understood perfectly which achieved the object even if it was a heresy. Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 13 15:20:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08402 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:20:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08392 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:20:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id IAA08687; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:19:44 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19981014081936.62831@welearn.com.au> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:19:36 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Steven Walker Cc: David Wolfskill , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XFree86 & things References: <199810122027.NAA15780@pau-amma.whistle.com> <19981011080657.49962@welearn.com.au> <199810122027.NAA15780@pau-amma.whistle.com> <19981013072536.11957@welearn.com.au> <3.0.5.32.19981013212217.00945320@sar.anit.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19981013212217.00945320@sar.anit.es>; from Steven Walker on Tue, Oct 13, 1998 at 09:22:17PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Oct 13, 1998 at 09:22:17PM +0200, Steven Walker wrote: > Hi, > > >> > >> And for me, "explaining" a UNIX concept by referring to a Microsoft one > >> is quite the wrong way 'round. > > I am sure that you are right. This thread started when I was moaning about > the difficulties facing complete novices. Ah, complete novices? For many but not all of us, being a complete novice means not knowing unix. Learning FreeBSD is not the same thing as learning unix. It's a bit like we've bought a swimming pool without knowing how to swim. People like David, or pool makers, might be pleasantly astonished that we lurch in without any of the fundamentals. They are even more surprised when we expect FreeBSD people to help with unix or X usage, though they usually oblige. (Similarly, WordPerfect would occasionally advise on typing technique or hardware in order to keep people productive.) From our point of view, it's all a single area of unknowns; we can't distinguish its parts, and others' attempts to do so seem unreasonably pedantic. The newbies page on the FreeBSD web site aims to separate out the three areas of knowledge that we seek (FreeBSD, unix, X Window System), to make them easier for we multiple-newbies to learn, so we can seek help from the appropriate sources, and to stop people from being bogged down material that is unnecessary or out of sequence. Sorry David, there's nothing there on resources for learning about PC hardware. If you find something, we should add a fourth skill set. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 14 10:41:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27134 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:41:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-ord-2.pilot.net (mail-ord-2.pilot.net [205.243.174.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27127 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:41:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from John_Sconieres@ama-assn.org) Received: from unknown-31-162.ama-assn.org ([204.48.31.162]) by mail-ord-2.pilot.net (Pilot/) with ESMTP id MAA03351 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:40:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gateway.ama-assn.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unknown-31-162.ama-assn.org with SMTP id MAA07362 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:40:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: by gateway.ama-assn.org id AA24433 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org); Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:40:13 -0500 Received: by gateway.ama-assn.org (Internal Mail Agent-1); Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:40:13 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:37:09 -0500 From: John Sconiers To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Disk slice up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm not that new to freebsd however I would like to gain perspectives on slicing up hard drive space. IE How much space for user etc.....My cuurent machine has the following configuration and planned file systems. 400MHZ CPU 384 MB 12gig UDMA Hard Drive 4Gig SCSI Hard Drive 1Gig Jazz Drive (small backups) etc This machine is going to do triple duty. It is going to be a workstation(xwindows), web server(+-20 sites) , ftp server, DNS server, and Development Machine, +-100 users (telnet),etc. ) Basically I have 12gig of space to use.......with the following file systems plus the standar unix file system. /home --home directories-- /development--Software Developers /apps 3 party application (netscape, oracle, etc) /mnt NFS mount area /prd Production deveolpers code /tst Testing area PS /development /tst and /prd currently take up 500MB total /home has a quota of 20MB and the system is going to run 3.0-release JOHN Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Oct 14 15:13:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05747 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:13:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05729 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:13:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id IAA13408; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:13:06 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19981015081301.52747@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:13:01 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: John Sconiers Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disk slice up References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from John Sconiers on Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 12:37:09PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 12:37:09PM -0500, John Sconiers wrote: > Hi, Hi, I see you're using GroupWise which makes Internet email very hard. You might have to resort to hitting the enter key every 70-75 characters if you can't get it to do that for you. Either that, or I have to do it for you before I can reply. > I'm not that new to freebsd however I would like to gain perspectives > on slicing up hard drive space. IE How much space for user etc.....My > cuurent machine has the following configuration and planned file > systems. This kind of thing is discussed on freebsd-questions. In fact, there was a long thread on it recently, with many different viewpoints to choose from. One benefit of dealing with this stuff in freebsd-questions is that all the messages are archived and searchable together at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html. After reading what was said there, you will probably decide not to tie yourself down to fixed sizes so much, but that's up to you. All the relevant issues were raised in the archives. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Oct 15 07:55:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA03935 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:55:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-ord-2.pilot.net (mail-ord-2.pilot.net [205.243.174.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA03929 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:55:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from John_Sconieres@ama-assn.org) Received: from unknown-31-162.ama-assn.org ([204.48.31.162]) by mail-ord-2.pilot.net (Pilot/) with ESMTP id JAA24728 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:55:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gateway.ama-assn.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unknown-31-162.ama-assn.org with SMTP id JAA04700 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:55:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: by gateway.ama-assn.org id AA20205 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG); Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:54:31 -0500 Received: by gateway.ama-assn.org (Internal Mail Agent-1); Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:54:31 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:52:03 -0500 From: John Sconiers To: John_Sconieres@ama-assn.org, sue@welearn.com.au Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Disk slice up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Do you remember what the subject was. I did a few searches using "file system creation etc" And did not find the thread you were talking about. I hope the email is beter now. JOHN -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 16 13:09:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00525 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:09:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp2.jps.net (smtp2.jps.net [209.63.224.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00519 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:09:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gseward@jps.net) Received: from default (209-239-198-102.oak.jps.net [209.239.198.102]) by smtp2.jps.net (8.9.0/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA04453 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:10:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810162010.NAA04453@smtp2.jps.net> From: "Gil" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:08:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Another similar first install Reply-to: gseward@jps.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am having a problem similar to Bill Hamilton's. I have a Pentium 166 on an Abit MB, 64MB ram , two FAT32 IDE drives on the first IDE port and another IDE drive dedicated to FreeBSD (master) and a CDROM on the second IDE port. My BIOS lets me choose my boot drive and I have it set to E:. I installed FreeBSD, and the user configuration showed no conflicts except for my Ps/2 mouse, which configuration said was allowed. When I try to boot it I get a message "Panic: cannot mount root". When, at the Boot: prompt, I enter: 0:wd(0,a)? I get a result like this: . .. dev usr var stand etc proc cdrom dist bin lkm mnt root sbin tmp sys boot.hlp.cshrc .profile COPYRIGHT kernel.GENERIC kernel.config boot.config home I have tried "0:wd(0,a)GENERIC kernel" and "0:wd(0,a)compat kernel", and both run, but both also give me the "Panic: cannot mount root" error. Can anyone help a Newbie? Gil Seward Gil To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 16 13:25:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04611 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:25:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from guadalajara.net (guadalajara.net [167.114.28.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04573 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:25:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arturom@olflex.com.mx) Received: from olflex.com.mx (ppp37-gdl.acnet.net [167.114.28.230]) by guadalajara.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16348 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:30:25 GMT Message-ID: <3627644A.A6ADC21A@olflex.com.mx> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:20:42 +0000 From: LAPP Administrator Root Organization: LAPP X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Saludos y ayuda Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hola! soy Arturo Mondragon radico en Guadalajara, Jalisco hace 1 mes que instalaron en un servidor de la empresa el FreeBSD 2.2.6 y estoy aprendiendo a manejarlo, tengo poca experiencia en sistemas UNIX pero me intersa mucho aprender a dominar esta herramienta, les pido que por favor me manden la informacion que requiero dominar para empezar a administrar este sistema (la configuracion que esta funcionando en este momento es: Un servidor HP, con 13 estaciones de trabajo en red, todos los usuarios navegan, mandan y reciben correo electronico interno y externo por un solo modem conectado al servidor, todos los usuarios mandan sus faxes desde otro modem tambien conectado al servisor, se maneja cinta de respaldo HP, CDROM y compartimos Archivos.) Sin mas por el momento les agradesco su atencion y les mando un gran saludo. Arturo M. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 16 13:55:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12559 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:55:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from guadalajara.net (guadalajara.net [167.114.28.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12509 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:55:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arturom@olflex.com.mx) Received: from olflex.com.mx (ppp37-gdl.acnet.net [167.114.28.230]) by guadalajara.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16749 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:00:13 GMT Message-ID: <36276B47.E2503B7A@olflex.com.mx> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:50:32 +0000 From: LAPP Administrator Root Organization: LAPP X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Complemento Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Soy de nuevo Arturo Mondragon. Solo para corrgir mi Mail anterior, el release que tengo de FreeBSD el la 2.2.7 y las PC'S que tengo en la red todas estan utilizando Win95. De nuevo muchas gracias, Saludos. Arturo M. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 16 19:30:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA14273 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:30:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA14244 for ; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:30:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA25363 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:30:12 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:30:12 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199810170230.MAA25363@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:charters.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message