From owner-freebsd-small Sun Aug 2 06:19:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10797 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 06:19:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10773 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 06:19:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA06022; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:24:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:24:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: ZooT_aLLures cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: progress on "ISP floppy"??? In-Reply-To: <35C3EAFD.7616@wi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 1 Aug 1998, ZooT_aLLures wrote: > greetings, > > I'm interested in any progress being made with the "ISP floppy". > Any info would be appreciated. As I wrote on WWW, there is no progress at all.. :-((, unless someone with more on-hands experience will take and test it. You're more than welcome to do it. Today I finished moving PicoBSD sources to CVS. I hope I can set up something like cvsup service, so that people could track what's going on... Andrzej Bialecki +---------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ | | When in problem or in | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { | | Research & Academic | doubt, run in circles, | fetch("FreeBSD"); | | Network in Poland | scream and shout. | } | + --------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Aug 2 20:37:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19147 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:37:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.indosat.co.id ([202.155.2.218]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA19141 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:37:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zakki@indosat.co.id) Received: from gtw.indosat.co.id (unverified [202.155.2.227]) by dns.indosat.co.id (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 10:50:50 +0700 Received: from REDSAFIR by gtw.indosat.co.id with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1461.56) id QFBDHZTQ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:38:37 +0700 Message-ID: <009601bdbe8f$ea0a8280$d4336464@crying> From: "Zakki Ashshidiqi" To: Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 10:36:34 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0093_01BDBECA.961D0F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01BDBECA.961D0F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Zakki Ashshidiqi -------------------------- ElectronicCommerce I N D O N E S I A ------=_NextPart_000_0093_01BDBECA.961D0F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0093_01BDBECA.961D0F40-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Aug 5 00:09:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29762 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:09:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl ([148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29711 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:08:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA17857; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:12:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:12:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG cc: dinesh@alphaque.com Subject: PicoBSD now runs in 4MB! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm almost finished with preparing the new release of PicoBSD, and I'll let you know when it's available for download... this is only to let you know what are some exciting new features :-) I prepared new type of PicoBSD floppy, namely a "router" - it contains only bare minimum needed to run the system, and modify it's networking parameters. It uses custom init(8), custom netstat, and even doesn't have a shell - only command-line interface. Thus far, you can't log-in to it over the network, but it's a matter of writing some 200 lines of code (volunteers are most welcome :-)) During tests, using 486DX/4MB RAM (though it will also run on 386SX :-) I was able to run that command-line interface on 3 vty's _and_ 2 pppd(8), and I was able to run ps, netstat, ifconfig, ping, traceroute, vmstat, mount etc... to modify its behaviour - in other words, it was working. Right after going multi-user there was over 600kB of free memory, and when I ran the next programs, it would decrease only by the amount of non-shared pages. Now, I'm working on adding a tiny webserver to it, and when I'm done with it, I'll roll the release. Stay tuned! Andrzej Bialecki +---------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ | | When in problem or in | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { | | Research & Academic | doubt, run in circles, | fetch("FreeBSD"); | | Network in Poland | scream and shout. | } | + --------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Aug 5 08:54:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05812 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:54:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05798 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:54:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA11396; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:54:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG, dinesh@alphaque.com Subject: Re: PicoBSD now runs in 4MB! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > I prepared new type of PicoBSD floppy, namely a "router" - it contains > only bare minimum needed to run the system, and modify it's networking > parameters. It uses custom init(8), custom netstat, and even doesn't have > a shell - only command-line interface. Thus far, you can't log-in to it > over the network, but it's a matter of writing some 200 lines of code > (volunteers are most welcome :-)) Was the custom version of netstat for size or is there something I'm missing? Glad to see a custom init(8) up and running...what's the licensing on all this? *evil grin* -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Aug 5 13:24:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18958 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:24:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl ([148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18929 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:24:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA20757; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:27:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:27:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Marc Nicholas cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG, dinesh@alphaque.com Subject: Re: PicoBSD now runs in 4MB! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Marc Nicholas wrote: > Was the custom version of netstat for size or is there something I'm > missing? Yes and yes :-). It's smaller (but nothing spectacular). What's more important is that it works, and doesn't need kvm_kernel.db nor /kernel with symbols. These two take a minimum of 400kB. > Glad to see a custom init(8) up and running...what's the licensing on all > this? *evil grin* You probably played with the earlier version. The newer one has copyright notice attached - it's BSD style copyright. Andrzej Bialecki +---------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ | | When in problem or in | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { | | Research & Academic | doubt, run in circles, | fetch("FreeBSD"); | | Network in Poland | scream and shout. | } | + --------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Aug 5 15:19:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04226 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:19:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oldyeller.comtest.com (comtest.hits.net [206.127.244.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04217 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:19:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randal@comtest.com) Received: from graphics.comtest.com (graphics.comtest.com [206.127.245.194]) by oldyeller.comtest.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA04115; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:18:55 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from randal@comtest.com) Message-Id: <199808052218.MAA04115@oldyeller.comtest.com> From: "Randal S. Masutani" Organization: ComTest Technologies, Inc. To: Andrzej Bialecki , dinesh@alphaque.com, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:23:26 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: PicoBSD now runs in 4MB! Reply-to: randal@comtest.com In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01b) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 5 Aug 98, at 9:12, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > Hi, > > I'm almost finished with preparing the new release of PicoBSD, and I'll > let you know when it's available for download... this is only to let you > know what are some exciting new features :-) I'm very anxious to try out the new version. When could we expect it? I just got some new 10MB IDE Flash modules today! I will be testing them on a PC/104 386 card w/8MB RAM. I will test booting and updating config files from IDE Flash. Can you make a version that does not use compression on the kernel? (since I have such a large IDE Flash size) One reason I'm want to try this method is because it is very slow to decompress the kernel on a 386. I would like it to boot much faster. BTW, I also have noticed something odd. When booting from floppy with a write protected disk, two write protect error messages comes up when just mounting the floppy. Why is that? Does mounting the floppy cause a write to it? This is not good if every time it boots it writes to disk. This can reduce the life on a IDE Flash drive. I do not notice any write protect errors when mounting from a standard FreeBSD system only from PicoBSD. Randal Masutani ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ComTest Technologies, Inc. 3049 Ualena St., Suite 1005 Honolulu, Hawaii 96819 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Aug 5 16:27:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14518 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:27:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14513 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:27:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01650; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808052324.QAA01650@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: randal@comtest.com cc: Andrzej Bialecki , dinesh@alphaque.com, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PicoBSD now runs in 4MB! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:23:26 -1000." <199808052218.MAA04115@oldyeller.comtest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 16:24:28 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > BTW, I also have noticed something odd. When booting from floppy with a > write protected disk, two write protect error messages comes up when just > mounting the floppy. Why is that? Does mounting the floppy cause a > write to it? This is not good if every time it boots it writes to disk. > This can reduce the life on a IDE Flash drive. Mount the filesystem readonly (-o ro). > I do not notice any write protect errors when mounting from a standard > FreeBSD system only from PicoBSD. If you're mounting as the root filesystem, it's likely that stuff in /dev/ is having its atime/mtime updated. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Aug 5 16:49:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17916 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:49:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oldyeller.comtest.com (comtest.hits.net [206.127.244.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17911 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:49:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randal@comtest.com) Received: from graphics.comtest.com (graphics.comtest.com [206.127.245.194]) by oldyeller.comtest.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA04396; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:48:45 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from randal@comtest.com) Message-Id: <199808052348.NAA04396@oldyeller.comtest.com> From: "Randal S. Masutani" Organization: ComTest Technologies, Inc. To: Mike Smith , Andrzej Bialecki , dinesh@alphaque.com, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:53:14 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: PicoBSD now runs in 4MB! Reply-to: randal@comtest.com In-reply-to: <199808052324.QAA01650@dingo.cdrom.com> References: Your message of "Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:23:26 -1000." <199808052218.MAA04115@oldyeller.comtest.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01b) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 5 Aug 98, at 16:24, Mike Smith wrote: > > BTW, I also have noticed something odd. When booting from floppy with a > > write protected disk, two write protect error messages comes up when just > > mounting the floppy. Why is that? Does mounting the floppy cause a > > write to it? This is not good if every time it boots it writes to disk. > > This can reduce the life on a IDE Flash drive. > > Mount the filesystem readonly (-o ro). I guess I could try this. Is this the same as the -r option? > > I do not notice any write protect errors when mounting from a standard > > FreeBSD system only from PicoBSD. > > If you're mounting as the root filesystem, it's likely that stuff in > /dev/ is having its atime/mtime updated. AFAIK, it is just mounting the floppy /etc and copying the files over to the mfs /etc. This is part of the rc script that is on the PicoBSD mfs kernel. echo "Reading /etc from startup floppy..." mount /dev/fd0c /start_floppy echo "debug - copying files over" cd /start_floppy/etc cp -r . /etc/ The error occurs right after the mount command. Does anything look suspicious? I will try changing the line to: mount -r /dev/fd0c /start_floppy Randal Masutani ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ComTest Technologies, Inc. 3049 Ualena St., Suite 1005 Honolulu, Hawaii 96819 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Aug 5 22:53:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03651 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:53:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl ([148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03644 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:53:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA22737; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:56:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:56:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: "Randal S. Masutani" cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PicoBSD now runs in 4MB! In-Reply-To: <199808052218.MAA04115@oldyeller.comtest.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Randal S. Masutani wrote: > On 5 Aug 98, at 9:12, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'm almost finished with preparing the new release of PicoBSD, and I'll > > let you know when it's available for download... this is only to let you > > know what are some exciting new features :-) > > I'm very anxious to try out the new version. > When could we expect it? Next week. > I just got some new 10MB IDE Flash modules today! I will be testing them > on a PC/104 386 card w/8MB RAM. I will test booting and updating config > files from IDE Flash. Can you make a version that does not use > compression on the kernel? (since I have such a large IDE Flash size) I'll think about it. I'm not saying "no", but most people use the compressed version which can fit onto a floppy... and you can easily do that version yourself :-) > BTW, I also have noticed something odd. When booting from floppy with a > write protected disk, two write protect error messages comes up when just > mounting the floppy. Why is that? Does mounting the floppy cause a > write to it? This is not good if every time it boots it writes to disk. > This can reduce the life on a IDE Flash drive. Yes, this was configuration error, and it is corrected in the new version. Andrzej Bialecki +---------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ | | When in problem or in | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { | | Research & Academic | doubt, run in circles, | fetch("FreeBSD"); | | Network in Poland | scream and shout. | } | + --------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Aug 5 23:01:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA04739 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:01:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl ([148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04717 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:01:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA24619; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:01:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:01:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: "Randal S. Masutani" cc: Mike Smith , dinesh@alphaque.com, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PicoBSD now runs in 4MB! In-Reply-To: <199808052348.NAA04396@oldyeller.comtest.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Randal S. Masutani wrote: > echo "Reading /etc from startup floppy..." > mount /dev/fd0c /start_floppy > echo "debug - copying files over" > cd /start_floppy/etc > cp -r . /etc/ > > The error occurs right after the mount command. Does anything look > suspicious? I think this should be 'cp -Rp . /etc' (use of -r is discouraged). Besides, two lines below there is another write caused by kget. Both of these are corrected now. Andrzej Bialecki +---------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ | | When in problem or in | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { | | Research & Academic | doubt, run in circles, | fetch("FreeBSD"); | | Network in Poland | scream and shout. | } | + --------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Aug 5 23:17:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA07970 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:17:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles231.castles.com [208.214.165.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA07958 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:17:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA00673; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808060615.XAA00673@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: randal@comtest.com cc: Mike Smith , Andrzej Bialecki , dinesh@alphaque.com, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PicoBSD now runs in 4MB! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:53:14 -1000." <199808052348.NAA04396@oldyeller.comtest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 23:15:28 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On 5 Aug 98, at 16:24, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > BTW, I also have noticed something odd. When booting from floppy with a > > > write protected disk, two write protect error messages comes up when just > > > mounting the floppy. Why is that? Does mounting the floppy cause a > > > write to it? This is not good if every time it boots it writes to disk. > > > This can reduce the life on a IDE Flash drive. > > > > Mount the filesystem readonly (-o ro). > > I guess I could try this. Is this the same as the -r option? Yes. Or '-o rdonly', as the manpage says. > > > I do not notice any write protect errors when mounting from a standard > > > FreeBSD system only from PicoBSD. > > > > If you're mounting as the root filesystem, it's likely that stuff in > > /dev/ is having its atime/mtime updated. > > AFAIK, it is just mounting the floppy /etc and copying the files over to > the mfs /etc. This is part of the rc script that is on the PicoBSD mfs > kernel. > > echo "Reading /etc from startup floppy..." > mount /dev/fd0c /start_floppy This mounts the floppy read/write, and updates the atime for the root directory on the floppy. > echo "debug - copying files over" > cd /start_floppy/etc > cp -r . /etc/ ... and then this will attept to update the atime records for all the files in the directory, as well as the directory itself. > The error occurs right after the mount command. Does anything look > suspicious? > > I will try changing the line to: > > mount -r /dev/fd0c /start_floppy That should do it. I would normally recommend the use of '-o rdonly' though, just for clarity's sake. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Aug 6 14:01:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01094 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:01:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oldyeller.comtest.com (comtest.hits.net [206.127.244.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00898 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:00:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randal@comtest.com) Received: from graphics.comtest.com (graphics.comtest.com [206.127.245.194]) by oldyeller.comtest.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA05895; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:58:50 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from randal@comtest.com) Message-Id: <199808062058.KAA05895@oldyeller.comtest.com> From: "Randal S. Masutani" Organization: ComTest Technologies, Inc. To: Andrzej Bialecki Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:02:54 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: IDE Flash Works!, but need some advice. Reply-to: randal@comtest.com CC: Mike Smith , dinesh@alphaque.com, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199808052348.NAA04396@oldyeller.comtest.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01b) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I got the IDE Flash to boot PicoBSD! It took me some time to get the IDE flash formatted with UFS and transfer PicoBSD to it. I am not sure what the best way to do it but here is what I did: 1. Created a different version of PicoBSD floppy, changed lang/mfs.rc and lang/update references to the floppy drive(/dev/fd0c) to reference the IDE flash(/dev/wd0s1) instead. 2. Used a FreeBSD 2.2.6 install floppy(boot.flp) and used sysinstall to label the IDE Flash, but it didn't newfs it, because it complained about unable to complete install or something.(I'm not sure how to do this properly) 3. booted PicoBSD(normal version) from floppy. 4. mounted another floppy with newfs on it and newfs /dev/wd0s1. 5. now I was able to mount the IDE Flash. 6. mounted the IDE version(step 1 above) PicoBSD boot floppy and just cp the kernel and etc files over to the IDE flash. 7. then just reboot and let it boot directly out of IDE flash(no floppy). 8. now I can save updates of /etc files to IDE flash. Features of the system: PC/104 cpu card with, ALi's 6117 386-40MHz CPU, 8MB RAM, IDE, floppy, 2 serial, 1 parallel, ethernet(Crystal CS8900), keyboard, 8MB FFS Flash drive(note: this onboard flash drive can only be accessed through BIOS calls, I am currently not using this feature.) I added a separate 10MB IDE Flash module that plugs directly into the IDE header on the PC/104 card. The system bios will first try to boot from floppy then ide. I need some advice of a better way to format the IDE flash and transfer PicoBSD to it? Randal Masutani ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ComTest Technologies, Inc. 3049 Ualena St., Suite 1005 Honolulu, Hawaii 96819 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Aug 6 16:00:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA27476 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:00:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oldyeller.comtest.com (comtest.hits.net [206.127.244.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27471 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:00:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randal@comtest.com) Received: from graphics.comtest.com (graphics.comtest.com [206.127.245.194]) by oldyeller.comtest.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA06449; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:00:45 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from randal@comtest.com) Message-Id: <199808062300.NAA06449@oldyeller.comtest.com> From: "Randal S. Masutani" Organization: ComTest Technologies, Inc. To: Kim Shrier Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:05:23 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: IDE Flash Works!, but need some advice. Reply-to: randal@comtest.com CC: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <9808062252.AA29723@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01b) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 6 Aug 98, at 17:52, Kim Shrier wrote: > Hello, > I don't have any advice but I was considering building a system > like what you described. Could you tell me where to get information on > the components you are using? PC/104 CPU card from http://www.mesanet.com, model 4c27 IDE Flash module from http://www.adlogic-pc104.com > Thanks, > Kim Shrier > kim@tinker.com > > > >Features of the system: > >PC/104 cpu card with, ALi's 6117 386-40MHz CPU, 8MB RAM, IDE, floppy, > >2 serial, 1 parallel, ethernet(Crystal CS8900), keyboard, 8MB FFS Flash > >drive(note: this onboard flash drive can only be accessed through BIOS > >calls, I am currently not using this feature.) > >I added a separate 10MB IDE Flash module that plugs directly into the IDE > >header on the PC/104 card. > >The system bios will first try to boot from floppy then ide. Randal Masutani ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ComTest Technologies, Inc. 3049 Ualena St., Suite 1005 Honolulu, Hawaii 96819 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Aug 7 02:28:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05865 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 02:28:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl ([148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA05733; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 02:27:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01208; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:30:10 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:30:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: "Randal S. Masutani" cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Subject: Re: IDE Flash Works!, but need some advice. In-Reply-To: <199808062058.KAA05895@oldyeller.comtest.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Randal S. Masutani wrote: > > I got the IDE Flash to boot PicoBSD! > > It took me some time to get the IDE flash formatted with UFS and transfer > PicoBSD to it. I am not sure what the best way to do it but here is what > I did: "Normal" way (i.e. when FreeBSD sees the flash as it should, as an IDE drive) should be just to: disklabel -Brw wd0 auto disklabel -e /dev/rwd0 # to adjust the partitions newfs -i xxx /dev/wd0s1a > 1. Created a different version of PicoBSD floppy, changed lang/mfs.rc and > lang/update references to the floppy drive(/dev/fd0c) to reference the > IDE flash(/dev/wd0s1) instead. > 2. Used a FreeBSD 2.2.6 install floppy(boot.flp) and used sysinstall to > label the IDE Flash, but it didn't newfs it, because it complained about > unable to complete install or something.(I'm not sure how to do this > properly) It can be a purely sysinstall problem. > 3. booted PicoBSD(normal version) from floppy. > 4. mounted another floppy with newfs on it and newfs /dev/wd0s1. > 5. now I was able to mount the IDE Flash. > 6. mounted the IDE version(step 1 above) PicoBSD boot floppy and just cp > the kernel and etc files over to the IDE flash. > 7. then just reboot and let it boot directly out of IDE flash(no floppy). > 8. now I can save updates of /etc files to IDE flash. Still, it would be good if you retain the PicoBSD way of keeping the current config files on MFS, and doing explicit 'update' when you really need it. That way you minimize the flash wear, because normally even simple read access would cause implicit write to flash to update the access time of a file. > Features of the system: > PC/104 cpu card with, ALi's 6117 386-40MHz CPU, 8MB RAM, IDE, floppy, > 2 serial, 1 parallel, ethernet(Crystal CS8900), keyboard, 8MB FFS Flash > drive(note: this onboard flash drive can only be accessed through BIOS > calls, I am currently not using this feature.) I hope that Mike can help us with this one... Mike? What is the current status on the driver? Anyway, how much is for such a board (exactly this configuration)? Looks as a good starting point to build a small router around it :-) > I need some advice of a better way to format the IDE flash and transfer > PicoBSD to it? My guess is that whatever caused sysinstall to fail, was due to sysinstall's presumptions. I *think* that when you manually use disklabel and newfs everything should work just ok. So, I imagine that you would boot the system from a picobsd floppy with disklabel, editor (ee or vi - for editing the label), newfs and /usr/mdec/boot*, and then after a few magic incantations you can mount (even NFS-mount if you configure the on-board ethernet) the source media with the binaries you want to install, and just copy them on the flash. Andrzej Bialecki +---------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ | | When in problem or in | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { | | Research & Academic | doubt, run in circles, | fetch("FreeBSD"); | | Network in Poland | scream and shout. | } | + --------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message