From owner-freebsd-small Tue Aug 11 03:18:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA10359 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:18:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Guard.PolyNet.Lviv.UA (Guard.PolyNet.Lviv.UA [194.44.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA10350 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:18:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ts@polynet.lviv.ua) From: ts@polynet.lviv.ua Received: (qmail 27538 invoked by alias); 11 Aug 1998 10:17:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 27531 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1998 10:17:33 -0000 Received: from postoffice.polynet.lviv.ua (194.44.138.1) by guard.polynet.lviv.ua with SMTP; 11 Aug 1998 10:17:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 22935 invoked by uid 1000); 11 Aug 1998 10:17:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:17:31 +0300 (EEST) To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PicoBSD w/ DEC Etherworks driver needed, PLEASE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Is there any kind soul which can make for me to download PicoBSD with DEC Etherworks 2 & 3 NIC driver (le0). I hope there should be space for ed0 driver also, and if possible ep0 too. Thanks in advance, and if you think I can help you somehow let me know. Bye To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Aug 11 03:40:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA11935 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:40:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA11926 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:40:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA06654; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:44:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:44:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: ts@polynet.lviv.ua cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PicoBSD w/ DEC Etherworks driver needed, PLEASE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 ts@polynet.lviv.ua wrote: > Hi > Is there any kind soul which can make for me to download > PicoBSD with DEC Etherworks 2 & 3 NIC driver (le0). > I hope there should be space for ed0 driver also, > and if possible ep0 too. Please wait patiently two or three days more - the new release of PicoBSD is coming, and you'll find these drivers in it (all three of 'em :-). I'll make an announcement on mailing lists. Andrzej Bialecki +---------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ | | When in problem or in | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { | | Research & Academic | doubt, run in circles, | fetch("FreeBSD"); | | Network in Poland | scream and shout. | } | + --------------------+------------------------+--------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Aug 13 07:44:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06160 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:44:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06148 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:44:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luiz@nlink.com.br) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA06350 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:43:39 -0300 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:43:39 -0300 (EST) From: Luiz de Barros Reply-To: Luiz de Barros To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: DISKLESS and FLOPPYLESS remote serial boot. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear All, We are planning to install in some of our clients an small router with no HardDisk. We plan to use PicoBSD but one of our fears is having a floppy disk inside the disk drive all the time, subject to disk errors, CRC errors, etc. Is it possible to have the following setup? One computer with network card, BOOTPROM, no floppy and no Hard Disks. One serial conection connected to a remote freebsd PPP server. I want to load a small bootstrap from the PROM and download the FreeBSD boot code from the serial line ( PPP + TFTP ), the same way it is done with bootp+ TFTP loading the boot code from the ethernet bus. Is it done anywhere? Is it possible? Could anybody point me some tips? Thanks in advance. Luiz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Aug 13 09:45:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24314 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:45:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.intercom.com ([207.51.55.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA24306 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:45:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@intercom.com) Received: from intercom.com (shagalicious.com [206.98.165.250]) by mail.intercom.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA12392; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D317C9.4D9F3B2D@intercom.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:43:53 -0400 From: "Jason J. Horton" X-Sender: "Jason J. Horton" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en]C-NECCK (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luiz de Barros , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DISKLESS and FLOPPYLESS remote serial boot. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ever look into DiskOnChip? I believe it goes from 1meg to 72 megs of space. Since its chip, and not floppy or HDD, it should be fast. Anyone have any experience with DiskOnChip and getting it to work with FreeBSD/PicoBSD? -J Luiz de Barros wrote: > > Dear All, > > We are planning to install in some of our clients an small router with no > HardDisk. We plan to use PicoBSD but one of our fears is having a floppy > disk inside the disk drive all the time, subject to disk errors, CRC > errors, etc. > > Is it possible to have the following setup? > > One computer with network card, BOOTPROM, no floppy and no Hard Disks. > One serial conection connected to a remote freebsd PPP server. I want to > load a small bootstrap from the PROM and download the FreeBSD boot code > from the serial line ( PPP + TFTP ), the same way it is done with bootp+ > TFTP loading the boot code from the ethernet bus. > > Is it done anywhere? > Is it possible? > Could anybody point me some tips? > > Thanks in advance. > > Luiz > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Aug 13 10:16:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29888 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:16:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles250.castles.com [208.214.165.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA29883 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:16:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00775; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808131714.KAA00775@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Luiz de Barros cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DISKLESS and FLOPPYLESS remote serial boot. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:43:39 -0300." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:14:17 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Dear All, > > We are planning to install in some of our clients an small router with no > HardDisk. We plan to use PicoBSD but one of our fears is having a floppy > disk inside the disk drive all the time, subject to disk errors, CRC > errors, etc. > > Is it possible to have the following setup? > > One computer with network card, BOOTPROM, no floppy and no Hard Disks. > One serial conection connected to a remote freebsd PPP server. I want to > load a small bootstrap from the PROM and download the FreeBSD boot code > from the serial line ( PPP + TFTP ), the same way it is done with bootp+ > TFTP loading the boot code from the ethernet bus. > > Is it done anywhere? > Is it possible? > Could anybody point me some tips? I don't believe that anyone has a PPP bootrom. I've deployed floppy-based systems in a number of environments, with generally good results. You want to make sure that the drive is sealed to prevent dust problems - I normally just put some masking tape over the front of the drive. If reliability is a really serious issue though, I would suggest that you look at purchasing a flash memory card which emulates a floppy drive at the BIOS level. This has no moving parts, cannot be written to by the operating system, and can be easily upgraded if necessary. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Aug 13 10:31:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03217 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:31:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles250.castles.com [208.214.165.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA03189 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:31:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00920; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808131728.KAA00920@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Jason J. Horton" cc: Luiz de Barros , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DISKLESS and FLOPPYLESS remote serial boot. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:43:53 EDT." <35D317C9.4D9F3B2D@intercom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:28:57 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Ever look into DiskOnChip? I believe it goes from 1meg to 72 megs > of space. Since its chip, and not floppy or HDD, it should be fast. > Anyone have any experience with DiskOnChip and getting it to work > with FreeBSD/PicoBSD? M-Systems are writing a FreeBSD device driver as we speak. No ETA yet, but it's in the pipeline. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Aug 13 11:11:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11298 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:11:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11289 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:11:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luiz@nlink.com.br) Received: from mirage.nlink.com.br (mirage.nlink.com.br [200.238.120.3]) by mirage.nlink.com.br (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA12324; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:09:09 -0300 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:09:09 -0300 (EST) From: Luiz de Barros To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DISKLESS and FLOPPYLESS remote serial boot. In-Reply-To: <199808131714.KAA00775@antipodes.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Mike and All, Thanks for the reply. Where can i find these cards? How Much for 2MB? They would work with FreeBSD as if it was a floppy disk? L On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > We are planning to install in some of our clients an small router with no > > HardDisk. We plan to use PicoBSD but one of our fears is having a floppy > > disk inside the disk drive all the time, subject to disk errors, CRC > > errors, etc. > > > > Is it possible to have the following setup? > > > > One computer with network card, BOOTPROM, no floppy and no Hard Disks. > > One serial conection connected to a remote freebsd PPP server. I want to > > load a small bootstrap from the PROM and download the FreeBSD boot code > > from the serial line ( PPP + TFTP ), the same way it is done with bootp+ > > TFTP loading the boot code from the ethernet bus. > > > > Is it done anywhere? > > Is it possible? > > Could anybody point me some tips? > > I don't believe that anyone has a PPP bootrom. > > I've deployed floppy-based systems in a number of environments, with > generally good results. You want to make sure that the drive is sealed > to prevent dust problems - I normally just put some masking tape over > the front of the drive. > > If reliability is a really serious issue though, I would suggest that > you look at purchasing a flash memory card which emulates a floppy > drive at the BIOS level. This has no moving parts, cannot be written > to by the operating system, and can be easily upgraded if necessary. > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Aug 13 12:29:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24055 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:29:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA24047 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:29:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00387; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808131925.MAA00387@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Luiz de Barros cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DISKLESS and FLOPPYLESS remote serial boot. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:09:09 -0300." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:25:59 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Dear Mike and All, > > Thanks for the reply. > Where can i find these cards? How Much for 2MB? I don't know anything about the local market in Brazil; you should be looking for local suppliers that specialise in Industrial Automation. If you want to try on the 'net, I'd start with www.advantech.com, but definitely shop around. > They would work with FreeBSD > as if it was a floppy disk? No. You can boot (eg. PicoBSD) from them, but once FreeBSD is running they are invisible. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Aug 13 13:03:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01745 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:03:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oldyeller.comtest.com (comtest.hits.net [206.127.244.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01726 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:03:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randal@comtest.com) Received: from graphics.comtest.com (graphics.comtest.com [206.127.245.194]) by oldyeller.comtest.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA21830; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:05:46 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from randal@comtest.com) Message-Id: <199808132005.KAA21830@oldyeller.comtest.com> From: "Randal S. Masutani" Organization: ComTest Technologies, Inc. To: Luiz de Barros , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@smith.net.au Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:08:51 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: DISKLESS and FLOPPYLESS remote serial boot. Reply-to: randal@comtest.com References: <199808131714.KAA00775@antipodes.cdrom.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01b) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 13 Aug 98, at 15:09, Luiz de Barros wrote: > Dear Mike and All, > > Thanks for the reply. > Where can i find these cards? How Much for 2MB? > > They would work with FreeBSD > as if it was a floppy disk? There are several options: 1. IDE Flash modules from Sandisk, http://www.sandisk.com. Their flash disks emulate an IDE hard drive. This is the simplist method since PicoBSD see this as a standard IDE hard drive. I have been able to get PicoBSD to boot from this with only a few changes to some startup script files. You can also mount the IDE flash to update config files. 2. BIOS Flash drives, check out M-Systems, http://www.m-sys.com. This type emulates a hard drive only thru BIOS calls. PicoBSD should be able to boot from it but once the kernel is running it won't be able to see the drive. You will need to modify PicoBSD to have all of its files in the MFS. You will also need to create a DOS program to write the PicoBSD image to flash, since there is no way to access the BIOS flash from PicoBSD directly. (there is work being done to make BIOS calls from the kernel in 3.0-current, but it is not done yet. When it becomes available it will allow you to mount it as a file system.) Randal Masutani ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ComTest Technologies, Inc. 3049 Ualena St., Suite 1005 Honolulu, Hawaii 96819 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message