From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Jan 11 04:59:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA20585 for sparc-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:59:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mozart.canonware.com (canonware.com [206.184.206.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA20574 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:58:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jasone@canonware.com) Received: from localhost (jasone@localhost) by mozart.canonware.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA03110; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:57:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jasone@canonware.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mozart.canonware.com: jasone owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:57:16 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Evans Reply-To: Jason Evans To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG cc: Ian Logan , Chris Toshok Subject: How UltraAX boots Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been looking through FreeBSD's boot loading code, and have been trying to match it to what needs to be done to boot on the UltraAX/UltraAXi motherboards. Here are a few interesting details I discovered. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OBP (Open Boot PROM) scans the system for hardware during boot. Depending on some settings, it will automatically or manually boot by grabbing a boot loader from somewhere. That "somewhere" must be one of the devices that OBP detects during its scan. The implication is that all boot hardware must directly support OBP. For example, to be able to boot off of an Adaptec 2940UW, the Adaptec card must have an expansion PROM installed to allow it to talk to the FCode engine (the actual program stored in OBP). So, without taking pains to buy "compatible" hardware, the following options exist for booting the UltraAX: * floppy drive * 10/100BaseT BOOTP/TFTP * EIDE HDD For the UltraAXi, instead of EIDE, we get SCSI. =) Similar restrictions apply to older Sun workstations, which comes as no surprise, since all the hardware is proprietary anyway (i.e. no PCI). Of course, the actual filesystem, kernel, etc. can be located on any range of hardware, as long as our boot loader can detect it. Our boot loader needs to fit into 512K on the UltraAX[i], not a very stiffling limitation, really. I don't know what the limits are for older Suns. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We're going to be facing a big bang problem as far as booting goes. In order to get a serial console working, it looks like we'll have to have the UPA, PCI, and EBus code working, in addition to serial code (just need to port the serial code). So, we'll pretty much have to make the whole motherboard work all at once, unless we can route the console through OBP (seems unlikely, or at least problematic). Yuck. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Jason Evans Email: [jasone@canonware.com] Home phone: [(650) 856-8204] Work phone: [(408) 774-8007] Quote: ["Invention is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration" - Thomas Edison] From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Jan 11 09:18:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA13466 for sparc-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:18:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu (bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA13458 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:18:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ian@nmsu.edu) Received: from NMSU.Edu by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.8.7/NMSU) id KAA22973; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:17:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from wilma by NMSU.Edu (8.8.8/NMSU-1.18) id KAA08750; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:18:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from nmsu.edu by wilma (8.8.8/NMSU) id KAA28979; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:18:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34B8FF49.42027ECC@nmsu.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:20:09 -0700 From: Ian Logan Organization: Computing and Networking X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Evans CC: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG, Chris Toshok Subject: Re: How UltraAX boots References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jason Evans wrote: > We're going to be facing a big bang problem as far as booting goes. In > order to get a serial console working, it looks like we'll have to have > the UPA, PCI, and EBus code working, in addition to serial code (just need > to port the serial code). So, we'll pretty much have to make the whole > motherboard work all at once, unless we can route the console through OBP > (seems unlikely, or at least problematic). Yuck. Actually it shouldn't be too bad :) OBP has functions that work almost like printf and they automaticly send their output to whatever output device is set in the enviroment variables, I believe they are output-device and input-device. For example, the startup code in sys/sparc/sparc/locore.s uses these functions to printout a message if it's running on a unsupported CPU. In Linux they wrote a little library of interface functions for the prom, so we could do the same thing. Then just pick our output function based on a #define. ie. #if defined(PROM_DEBUG) prom_printf(...) #else printf(...) #endif Of course this is still pretty ugly, but it could be a lot worse. Ian -- Ian Logan Computing & Networking New Mexico State University Email: ian@nmsu.edu Phone: 505-646-6034 Fax: 505-646-5278 From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Jan 11 12:02:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA01041 for sparc-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:02:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from minot.com (db@minot.com [205.218.4.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA01022 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:02:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from db@minot.com) Received: from localhost (db@localhost) by minot.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA26365 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:06:10 -0600 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:06:10 -0600 (CST) From: Jeremy Kraft To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: website? In-Reply-To: <34B8FF49.42027ECC@nmsu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there a website up yet for freebsd-sparc ? Thanks.. Personally, ive got a ss2-40mhz/32ram .. id love to see freebsd come out for it -- will there be a ss2 version out the same time (or before) the ultra version is ?? Jeremy Kraft \ web: www.minot.com/~db Surrey, ND 58785 \ voice: (701) 838-7670 db@minot.com \ fax: (701) 837-9779 From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Jan 11 18:02:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA06273 for sparc-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:02:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mozart.canonware.com (canonware.com [206.184.206.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA06260 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:02:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jasone@canonware.com) Received: from localhost (jasone@localhost) by mozart.canonware.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA06243; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:01:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jasone@canonware.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mozart.canonware.com: jasone owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:01:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Evans Reply-To: Jason Evans To: Jeremy Kraft cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: website? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Jeremy Kraft wrote: > Is there a website up yet for freebsd-sparc ? Thanks.. At this point we're not bothering with a website since we're rather resource limited. Follow freebsd-sparc to stay notified of the port status. > Personally, ive got a ss2-40mhz/32ram .. id love to > see freebsd come out for it -- will there be a ss2 > version out the same time (or before) the ultra version > is ?? "Difficult to say." - Yoda Jason Jason Evans Email: [jasone@canonware.com] Home phone: [(650) 856-8204] Work phone: [(408) 774-8007] Quote: ["Invention is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration" - Thomas Edison] From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Jan 11 19:18:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA15846 for sparc-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:18:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oldwarez.com (root@oldwarez.com [208.11.244.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA15824 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:18:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bits@oldwarez.com) Received: from oldwarez.com (bits@oldwarez.com [208.11.244.5]) by oldwarez.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA16475; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:21:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:21:36 -0500 (EST) From: BitS To: Jason Evans cc: Jeremy Kraft , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: website? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Should anyone be interested, I am willing to donate the time/space for a FreeBSD-sparc website... although time is someone limited, once its created, there shouldn't be more then a couple hours of work on it per week, so I don't believe that would be a problem. And as for space... well, freebsd is a non profit project, so I should have no problem getting my company to host it. Let me know how the rest of you guys feel about this. If the response is good, I'll work on it right away. David Wimsey dwimsey@rtci.com Reseach Triangle Consultants, Inc Cary, NC On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Jason Evans wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Jeremy Kraft wrote: > > Is there a website up yet for freebsd-sparc ? Thanks.. > > At this point we're not bothering with a website since we're rather > resource limited. Follow freebsd-sparc to stay notified of the port > status. > > > Personally, ive got a ss2-40mhz/32ram .. id love to > > see freebsd come out for it -- will there be a ss2 > > version out the same time (or before) the ultra version > > is ?? > > "Difficult to say." - Yoda > > Jason > > Jason Evans > Email: [jasone@canonware.com] > Home phone: [(650) 856-8204] > Work phone: [(408) 774-8007] > Quote: ["Invention is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration" - Thomas Edison] > > > > From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Jan 11 20:28:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA22820 for sparc-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:28:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA22648 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:27:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id EAA10932; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 04:09:54 GMT Message-ID: <19980111200933.54043@relay.nuxi.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:09:33 -0800 From: "David E. O'Brien" To: BitS Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: website? Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81 In-Reply-To: ; from BitS on Sun, Jan 11, 1998 at 10:21:36PM -0500 X-Warning: Mutt Bites! X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE Organization: The NUXI *BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Should anyone be interested, I am willing to donate the time/space for a > FreeBSD-sparc website... although time is someone limited, once its Space has already been offered on the main freebsd web site. I guess what's missing is content. What is there that needs a web page? -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Jan 11 20:42:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA24132 for sparc-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:42:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mozart.canonware.com (canonware.com [206.184.206.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA24122 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:42:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jasone@canonware.com) Received: from localhost (jasone@localhost) by mozart.canonware.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA06436; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:39:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jasone@canonware.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mozart.canonware.com: jasone owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:39:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Evans Reply-To: Jason Evans To: Ian Logan cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG, Chris Toshok Subject: Re: How UltraAX boots In-Reply-To: <34B8FF49.42027ECC@nmsu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Ian Logan wrote: > Jason Evans wrote: > > > We're going to be facing a big bang problem as far as booting goes. In > > order to get a serial console working, it looks like we'll have to have > > the UPA, PCI, and EBus code working, in addition to serial code (just need > > to port the serial code). So, we'll pretty much have to make the whole > > motherboard work all at once, unless we can route the console through OBP > > (seems unlikely, or at least problematic). Yuck. > > Actually it shouldn't be too bad :) OBP has functions that work almost > like printf and they automaticly send their output to whatever output > device is set in the enviroment variables, I believe they are > output-device and input-device. For example, the startup code in > sys/sparc/sparc/locore.s uses these functions to printout a message if > it's running on a unsupported CPU. > > In Linux they wrote a little library of interface functions for the > prom, so we could do the same thing. Then just pick our output function > based on a #define. > ie. > #if defined(PROM_DEBUG) > prom_printf(...) > #else > printf(...) > #endif > > Of course this is still pretty ugly, but it could be a lot worse. This will be good. We'll probably have to be careful not to probe for the serial port if we're using OBP for the console, but that's just a minor detail in comparison. =) Jason Jason Evans Email: [jasone@canonware.com] Home phone: [(650) 856-8204] Work phone: [(408) 774-8007] Quote: ["Invention is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration" - Thomas Edison] From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Jan 11 20:50:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA24598 for sparc-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:50:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu (bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA24579 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:50:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ian@NMSU.Edu) Received: from NMSU.Edu by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.8.7/NMSU) id VAA11256; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:48:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from wilma by NMSU.Edu (8.8.8/NMSU-1.18) id VAA09877; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:49:53 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:49:53 -0700 (MST) From: Ian Logan Message-Id: <199801120449.VAA09877@NMSU.Edu> Received: by wilma (8.8.8/NMSU) id VAA04847; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:49:36 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: BitS , Jason Evans Subject: Re: website? Cc: Jeremy Kraft , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well someone already setup a site, but its a bit low on content at the moment. If your interested in working on it you might want to contact him. I can't remember his name at the moment, but its in the archives. Ian Ian Logan Computing & Networking New Mexico State University Email: ian@nmsu.edu Phone: 505-646-6034 Fax: 505-646-5278 From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Jan 11 20:53:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA24921 for sparc-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:53:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu (bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA24916 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:53:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ian@NMSU.Edu) Received: from NMSU.Edu by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.8.7/NMSU) id VAA11381; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:52:47 -0700 (MST) Received: from wilma by NMSU.Edu (8.8.8/NMSU-1.18) id VAA10040; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:53:43 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:53:43 -0700 (MST) From: Ian Logan Message-Id: <199801120453.VAA10040@NMSU.Edu> Received: by wilma (8.8.8/NMSU) id VAA04969; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:53:26 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Jason Evans Subject: Re: How UltraAX boots Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG, Chris Toshok Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay. When the time comes I'll write up a interface to the prom, of course thats still a good way off :) I believe that the calls are different for Sun4u vs. sun4m, but it shouldn't be a major problem. Ian From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Jan 11 22:00:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA02482 for sparc-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:00:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sunny.bog.msu.su (sunny.bog.msu.su [158.250.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA02474 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:00:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dima@bog.msu.su) Received: from localhost (dima@localhost) by sunny.bog.msu.su (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA12107; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:59:45 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from dima@bog.msu.su) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:59:44 +0300 (MSK) From: Dmitry Khrustalev To: Jason Evans cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG, Ian Logan , Chris Toshok Subject: Re: How UltraAX boots In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > We're going to be facing a big bang problem as far as booting goes. In > order to get a serial console working, it looks like we'll have to have > the UPA, PCI, and EBus code working, in addition to serial code (just need > to port the serial code). So, we'll pretty much have to make the whole > motherboard work all at once, unless we can route the console through OBP > (seems unlikely, or at least problematic). Yuck. > NetBSD/powerpc uses OBP(OpenFirmware) for all it's device drivers. You may want to look at it. -Dima From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Jan 18 15:26:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25458 for sparc-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:26:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebsd.scds.com (jseger.shore.net [204.167.102.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25445 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:26:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jseger@freebsd.scds.com) Received: (from jseger@localhost) by freebsd.scds.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id SAA22731; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:26:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 18:26:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801182326.SAA22731@freebsd.scds.com> From: "Justin M. Seger" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD-Sparc Website Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I've put together a small website about FreeBSD-Sparc. It currently has the FAQ as well as links to related web pages. If you have anything that you'd like to be added to the page, send me a message at jseger@freebsd.scds.com. The URL is http://www.freebsd.org/~jseger/freebsd-sparc TTYL, -Justin Seger- From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Jan 18 19:51:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA18617 for sparc-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:51:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA18580 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:50:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from softweyr@xmission.com) Received: from xmission.com [166.70.1.69] by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #4) id 0xu8ES-0003W1-00; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:50:41 -0700 Message-ID: <34C2D187.7E3F3713@xmission.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:07:35 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Ultra 5 workstation announcement Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I presume all of you on this list got the good news about the new Ultra 5 workstation last week. If not, go visit www.sun.com and learn about their new low-cost workstation. The "loss leader" configuration includes an UltraSPARC IIi processor, 64Mb of SDRAM, a 4.3 Gb disk, graphics controller, 10/100 Mb ethernet, and 3 PCI slots for $2995. This would probably be a good machine to run FreeBSD-SPARC on. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Jan 18 20:04:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19790 for sparc-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:04:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from saturn.ops.neosoft.com (dbaker@saturn.ops.NeoSoft.COM [206.109.4.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA19767 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:03:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dbaker@saturn.ops.neosoft.com) Received: (from dbaker@localhost) by saturn.ops.neosoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA13474; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:53:24 -0600 (CST) From: Daniel Baker Message-Id: <199801190353.VAA13474@saturn.ops.neosoft.com> Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement In-Reply-To: <34C2D187.7E3F3713@xmission.com> from Wes Peters at "Jan 18, 98 09:07:35 pm" To: softweyr@xmission.com (Wes Peters) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 21:53:24 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I presume all of you on this list got the good news about the new Ultra 5 > workstation last week. If not, go visit www.sun.com and learn about their > new low-cost workstation. > > The "loss leader" configuration includes an UltraSPARC IIi processor, 64Mb > of SDRAM, a 4.3 Gb disk, graphics controller, 10/100 Mb ethernet, and 3 PCI > slots for $2995. This would probably be a good machine to run FreeBSD-SPARC > on. ;^) Not really. I was about to buy one for home before I saw that it's all IDE. I think it was a really bad move... Daniel -- Daniel Baker -- Network Operations Administrator - NeoSoft, Inc. dbaker@neosoft.com dbaker@neo.net Phone: +1 713 968 5800 Fax: +1 713 968 5801 From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Jan 18 20:16:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20629 for sparc-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:16:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from minot.com (db@minot.com [205.218.4.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA20619 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:16:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from db@minot.com) Received: from localhost (db@localhost) by minot.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA11226 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:22:06 -0600 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:22:06 -0600 (CST) From: Jeremy Kraft To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement In-Reply-To: <199801190353.VAA13474@saturn.ops.neosoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org yeah, the all IDE made me a little mad as well ;) Jeremy Kraft \ web: www.minot.com/~db Surrey, ND 58785 \ voice: (701) 838-7670 db@minot.com \ fax: (701) 837-9779 ------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Daniel Baker wrote: > > I presume all of you on this list got the good news about the new Ultra 5 > > workstation last week. If not, go visit www.sun.com and learn about their > > new low-cost workstation. > > > > The "loss leader" configuration includes an UltraSPARC IIi processor, 64Mb > > of SDRAM, a 4.3 Gb disk, graphics controller, 10/100 Mb ethernet, and 3 PCI > > slots for $2995. This would probably be a good machine to run FreeBSD-SPARC > > on. ;^) > > Not really. I was about to buy one for home before I saw that it's all IDE. > > I think it was a really bad move... > > Daniel > > -- > Daniel Baker -- Network Operations Administrator - NeoSoft, Inc. > > dbaker@neosoft.com dbaker@neo.net > Phone: +1 713 968 5800 Fax: +1 713 968 5801 > From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Jan 18 20:43:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22682 for sparc-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:43:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA22669 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:43:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06886; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:59:15 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA03195; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:59:15 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980119145915.52313@lemis.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:59:15 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Jeremy Kraft Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement References: <199801190353.VAA13474@saturn.ops.neosoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from Jeremy Kraft on Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 10:22:06PM -0600 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 10:22:06PM -0600, Jeremy Kraft wrote: > On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Daniel Baker wrote: > >>> I presume all of you on this list got the good news about the new Ultra 5 >>> workstation last week. If not, go visit www.sun.com and learn about their >>> new low-cost workstation. >>> >>> The "loss leader" configuration includes an UltraSPARC IIi processor, 64Mb >>> of SDRAM, a 4.3 Gb disk, graphics controller, 10/100 Mb ethernet, and 3 PCI >>> slots for $2995. This would probably be a good machine to run FreeBSD-SPARC >>> on. ;^) >> >> Not really. I was about to buy one for home before I saw that it's all IDE. >> >> I think it was a really bad move... > > yeah, the all IDE made me a little mad as well ;) What's so bad about IDE? It's a good start. In case you haven't been following, IDE has got a whole lot better in the last few years, and can now often outperform SCSI as long as there aren't too many concurrent I/Os. And the board has PCI slots, so you can add a SCSI controller if you want. Greg From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Jan 18 22:16:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29245 for sparc-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:16:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pooh.cdrom.com (pooh.cdrom.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29241 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:15:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from murray@pooh.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (murray@localhost) by pooh.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA20303; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:15:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:15:24 -0800 (PST) From: Murray Stokely To: Wes Peters cc: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement In-Reply-To: <34C2D187.7E3F3713@xmission.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Wes Peters wrote: % I presume all of you on this list got the good news about the new Ultra 5 % workstation last week. If not, go visit www.sun.com and learn about their % new low-cost workstation. % % The "loss leader" configuration includes an UltraSPARC IIi processor, 64Mb % of SDRAM, a 4.3 Gb disk, graphics controller, 10/100 Mb ethernet, and 3 PCI % slots for $2995. This would probably be a good machine to run FreeBSD-SPARC % on. ;^) The 4500rpm IDE disk doesn't bother me as much as the measly 8bit graphics "On-board ATI Rage II+ DVD Graphics Controller Chip The Ultra 5 workstation comes with a standard, on-board 8-bit ATI Rage II+ DVD graphics controller with 2 MB of SGRAM video RAM. A highly integrated graphics controller, the ATI Rage II+ includes 2-D, 3-D, and video accelerators, palette DAC, and a dual-clock synthesizer to provide low-cost, 8-bit color graphics. A standard VGA connector (DB15) located on the back panel attaches to both Sun monitors and standard VGA monitors" http://www.sun.com/desktop/products/Ultra5/u5technologies.html Its definately a step in the right direction though! I wonder if we can expect cheaper clones in the coming months? Murray Stokely From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Jan 19 00:51:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA08841 for sparc-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:51:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA08832 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 00:51:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au) Message-Id: <199801190851.AAA08832@hub.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA242549856; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:50:56 +1100 From: Darren Reed Subject: SPARCengine boards. To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:50:55 +1100 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Where abouts can one get them or order them ? From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Jan 19 22:39:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08275 for sparc-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:39:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.tomco.net (root@apollo.tomco.net [207.31.101.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA08267 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 22:39:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from security@tomco.net) Received: from localhost (security@localhost) by apollo.tomco.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA26079; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 01:14:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 01:14:29 -0500 (EST) From: Marc Williams To: Greg Lehey cc: Jeremy Kraft , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement In-Reply-To: <19980119145915.52313@lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I remember a day when you couldn't touch a 45mhz sparc5 for <= 20k. Marcus R. Williams, Jr. security@tomco.net ISP Programmer / Engineer On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:59:15 +1030 > From: Greg Lehey > To: Jeremy Kraft > Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement > > On Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 10:22:06PM -0600, Jeremy Kraft wrote: > > On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Daniel Baker wrote: > > > >>> I presume all of you on this list got the good news about the new Ultra 5 > >>> workstation last week. If not, go visit www.sun.com and learn about their > >>> new low-cost workstation. > >>> > >>> The "loss leader" configuration includes an UltraSPARC IIi processor, 64Mb > >>> of SDRAM, a 4.3 Gb disk, graphics controller, 10/100 Mb ethernet, and 3 PCI > >>> slots for $2995. This would probably be a good machine to run FreeBSD-SPARC > >>> on. ;^) > >> > >> Not really. I was about to buy one for home before I saw that it's all IDE. > >> > >> I think it was a really bad move... > > > > yeah, the all IDE made me a little mad as well ;) > > What's so bad about IDE? It's a good start. In case you haven't been > following, IDE has got a whole lot better in the last few years, and > can now often outperform SCSI as long as there aren't too many > concurrent I/Os. And the board has PCI slots, so you can add a SCSI > controller if you want. > > Greg > From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Jan 19 23:58:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13558 for sparc-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:58:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13548 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:58:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id IAA16570; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:45:09 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA24218; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:40:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980120084021.54974@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:40:21 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Wes Peters Cc: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement References: <34C2D187.7E3F3713@xmission.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <34C2D187.7E3F3713@xmission.com>; from Wes Peters on Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 09:07:35PM -0700 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 09:07:35PM -0700, Wes Peters wrote: > I presume all of you on this list got the good news about the new Ultra 5 > workstation last week. If not, go visit www.sun.com and learn about their > new low-cost workstation. > > The "loss leader" configuration includes an UltraSPARC IIi processor, 64Mb > of SDRAM, a 4.3 Gb disk, graphics controller, 10/100 Mb ethernet, and 3 PCI > slots for $2995. This would probably be a good machine to run FreeBSD-SPARC > on. ;^) Great, but do they really use EIDE ;-) Shudder. I'm also astonished about graphics, 256 colors arent that good. Which desktop product uses SCSI components and allows 16 or 24 color depth ? -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Jan 19 23:58:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13584 for sparc-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:58:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [194.77.0.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13571 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:58:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id IAA16614; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:45:14 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA24227; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:44:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980120084445.07245@klemm.gtn.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:44:45 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: Murray Stokely Cc: Wes Peters , sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement References: <34C2D187.7E3F3713@xmission.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: ; from Murray Stokely on Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 10:15:24PM -0800 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 10:15:24PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > > The 4500rpm IDE disk doesn't bother me as much as the measly 8bit graphics Yeah ;-) > Its definately a step in the right direction though! I wonder if we > can expect cheaper clones in the coming months? One should contact suns marketing gurus, that they should offer 24 Bit graphic cards as a standard (who can really live with 8 Bit color depth if I look at window managers like afterstep and applications like xv, gimp, xpaint, Netscape, ... ) and Ultra SCSI controller / drives as an option. Does somebody have a good contact to them ? Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm powered by ,,symmetric multiprocessor FreeBSD'' From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Jan 20 07:40:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10620 for sparc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:40:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@[209.54.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10614 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:40:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: (from mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA20398; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:39:50 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:39:50 -0800 From: Matthew Jacob Message-Id: <199801201539.HAA20398@feral.com> To: grog@lemis.com, security@tomco.net Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement Cc: db@minot.com, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From owner-freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Mon Jan 19 22:44:31 1998 > >I remember a day when you couldn't touch a 45mhz sparc5 for <= 20k. And I remember a day when you couldn't touch a 20Mhz SS1 for < 13K (w/o monitor). From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Jan 20 12:37:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03143 for sparc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:37:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gargoyle.bazzle.com (gargoyle.bazzle.com [206.103.246.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA03136 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:37:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejc@bazzle.com) Received: (qmail 3958 invoked from network); 20 Jan 1998 20:37:02 -0000 Received: from gargoyle.bazzle.com (206.103.246.189) by gargoyle.bazzle.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 1998 20:37:02 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:37:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Eric J. Chet" To: Greg Lehey cc: Jeremy Kraft , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement In-Reply-To: <19980119145915.52313@lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 10:22:06PM -0600, Jeremy Kraft wrote: > > yeah, the all IDE made me a little mad as well ;) > > What's so bad about IDE? It's a good start. In case you haven't been > following, IDE has got a whole lot better in the last few years, and > can now often outperform SCSI as long as there aren't too many > concurrent I/Os. And the board has PCI slots, so you can add a SCSI > controller if you want. > > Greg > It doesn't support UltraDMA/33, It's old EIDE technology. Spend 3k on a box with a UltraSparc chip and have it doing PIO. Eric Chet -- ejchet@lucent.com || ejc@bazzle.com Systems Analysts - Specializing in OOA, OOD and CORBA Bazzle Systems Consulting, Inc. Software Engineering Services Empowering Your Business for Internet Commerce From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Jan 20 12:52:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04230 for sparc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:52:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phibeta.the-reeds.com (rjr@phibeta.the-reeds.com [208.207.21.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA04178 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:51:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rjr@the-reeds.com) Received: from localhost by phibeta.the-reeds.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13140; Tue, 20 Jan 98 15:49:51 EST Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:49:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Reginald J. Reed" To: "Eric J. Chet" Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Eric J. Chet wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 10:22:06PM -0600, Jeremy Kraft wrote: > > > yeah, the all IDE made me a little mad as well ;) > > > > What's so bad about IDE? It's a good start. In case you haven't been > > following, IDE has got a whole lot better in the last few years, and > > can now often outperform SCSI as long as there aren't too many > > concurrent I/Os. And the board has PCI slots, so you can add a SCSI > > controller if you want. > > It doesn't support UltraDMA/33, It's old EIDE technology. Spend 3k on a > box with a UltraSparc chip and have it doing PIO. I agree with Greg's thought, if you want SCSI, add a SCSI controller. I don't think Sun is positioning the Ultra 5 for I/O intensive applications. Take the machine for what it is, a LOW COST workstation with potential. I will probably end up buying a couple of these machines. If the performance isn't up to snuff, then I'll stuff an Ultra-Wide SCSI controller and disk in 'em (which will probably make them fly) all for very little money. Just my opinion. -- Reginald Reed Cisco Systems Engineering Eta Sigma Chapter - Raleigh, NC InterWorks Business Unit Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Inc. Research Triangle Park, NC Home: rjr@The-Reeds.Com Work: reginald@cisco.com From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Jan 20 16:53:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23744 for sparc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:53:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (softweyr@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23723 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:53:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from softweyr@xmission.xmission.com) Received: (from softweyr@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.7/8.7.5) id RAA13736; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:53:21 -0700 (MST) From: Wes Peters - Softweyr LLC Message-Id: <199801210053.RAA13736@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement To: rjr@the-reeds.com (Reginald J. Reed) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:53:19 -0700 (MST) Cc: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Reginald J. Reed" at Jan 20, 98 03:49:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I agree with Greg's thought, if you want SCSI, add a SCSI controller. I > don't think Sun is positioning the Ultra 5 for I/O intensive applications. Yeah, NCR 875 boards are pretty cheap these days ($140). > Take the machine for what it is, a LOW COST workstation with potential. I > will probably end up buying a couple of these machines. If the > performance isn't up to snuff, then I'll stuff an Ultra-Wide SCSI > controller and disk in 'em (which will probably make them fly) all for > very little money. Exactly my thinking when I started this thread. For those looking into FreeBSD-SPARC, this would allow you to get a brand-new workstation which should run FreeBSD-SPARC (if we get the IDE controller in there) for about $3K; perhaps less if you are a Catalyst member. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Jan 20 18:15:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00534 for sparc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:15:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx1.tm.net.my (mx.tm.net.my [202.188.0.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00523 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:15:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ance@1997.tm.net.my) Received: from genius ([202.188.100.82]) by mx1.tm.net.my (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 581-40942U100000L100000S0) with SMTP id AAA5659 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:46:57 +0800 Message-ID: <34C55519.2418@1997.tm.net.my> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:53:29 +0800 From: Mohd Yusri Mahadi X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe yusri@tm.net.my From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Jan 21 00:18:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA03156 for sparc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:18:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA03122 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:17:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from softweyr@xmission.com) Received: from xmission.com [166.70.1.67] by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #4) id 0xuuGb-0007JI-00; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:08:06 -0700 Message-ID: <34C5A310.A5F50036@xmission.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:26:08 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darren Reed CC: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SPARCengine boards. References: <199801190851.AAA08832@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Darren Reed wrote: > Where abouts can one get them or order them ? See http://www.sun.com/sparc/SPARCengineUltraAX/ for more information. Click on "How to Order" in the left-hand frame for info on buying one (or more). I should apply to Sun for a commission on this stuff! ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Jan 21 13:13:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by catfish.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22505 for sparc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:13:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) by catfish.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22499 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:13:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from circe.bonn-online.com (root@circe.bonn-online.com [195.52.214.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28229 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:12:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lederer@bonn-online.com) Received: from bonn-online.com (ppp141.dialin.bonn-online.com [194.162.223.141]) by circe.bonn-online.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17135 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:39:12 +0100 Message-ID: <34C64EFB.266D31E5@bonn-online.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:39:40 +0100 From: Sebastian Lederer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Reginald J. Reed wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Eric J. Chet wrote: > > > On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 10:22:06PM -0600, Jeremy Kraft wrote: > > > > yeah, the all IDE made me a little mad as well ;) > > > > > > What's so bad about IDE? It's a good start. In case you haven't been > > > following, IDE has got a whole lot better in the last few years, and > > > can now often outperform SCSI as long as there aren't too many > > > concurrent I/Os. And the board has PCI slots, so you can add a SCSI > > > controller if you want. > > > > It doesn't support UltraDMA/33, It's old EIDE technology. Spend 3k on a > > box with a UltraSparc chip and have it doing PIO. The manual says that the EIDE interface supports DMA. Not UltraDMA/33, but that is useless anyway if you have only one disk. Basically, there is no port i/o on a non-intel system, the PCI i/o space will be memory-mapped. By the way, the ATI Rage II graphics chip can of course do 1024x768 at 16 bpp with 2MB video memory. Even i f Sun's X-Server did not support it, a port of XFree will. Best regards, Sebastian Lederer -- Sebastian Lederer lederer@bonn-online.com