From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Jan 27 05:02:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA12485 for sparc-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:02:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA12448 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:01:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05685 for freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:01:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 14:01:43 +0100 (CET) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199801271301.OAA05685@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement Newsgroups: list.freebsd-sparc Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In list.freebsd-sparc Wes Peters wrote: > > I agree with Greg's thought, if you want SCSI, add a SCSI controller. I > > don't think Sun is positioning the Ultra 5 for I/O intensive applications. > > Yeah, NCR 875 boards are pretty cheap these days ($140). Can you boot an Ultra-5 from one of those? You need a SCSI adapter with OpenBoot ROM support, otherwise you won't be able to boot the beast. An el-cheapo NCR certainly won't do. Regards Oliver Fromme -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18-61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Jan 27 13:56:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21080 for sparc-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:56:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@[209.54.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21074 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:56:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: (from mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA05021 for freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:55:53 -0800 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:55:53 -0800 From: Matthew Jacob Message-Id: <199801272155.NAA05021@feral.com> To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From owner-freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Tue Jan 27 05:10:07 1998 >In list.freebsd-sparc Wes Peters wrote: > > > I agree with Greg's thought, if you want SCSI, add a SCSI controller. I > > > don't think Sun is positioning the Ultra 5 for I/O intensive applications. > > > > Yeah, NCR 875 boards are pretty cheap these days ($140). > >Can you boot an Ultra-5 from one of those? You need a SCSI >adapter with OpenBoot ROM support, otherwise you won't be >able to boot the beast. An el-cheapo NCR certainly won't do. > >Regards > Oliver Fromme Not quite true. The glm hba driver and random otehr NCR boards do work on the PCI SCSI cards. If you have problems, I can also go yell at the Sun driver writer. From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Jan 28 03:10:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA11143 for sparc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:10:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA11138 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 03:10:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12295 for freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:10:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:10:30 +0100 (CET) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199801281110.MAA12295@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement Newsgroups: list.freebsd-sparc Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote in list.freebsd-sparc: > > > Yeah, NCR 875 boards are pretty cheap these days ($140). > > > >Can you boot an Ultra-5 from one of those? You need a SCSI > >adapter with OpenBoot ROM support, otherwise you won't be > >able to boot the beast. An el-cheapo NCR certainly won't do. > > Not quite true. The glm hba driver and random otehr NCR boards > do work on the PCI SCSI cards. If you have problems, I can > also go yell at the Sun driver writer. I'm not talking about OS support here. You absolutely have to have OpenBoot support in order to be able to boot. If you plug in an NCR or Adaptec without OpenBoot PROM, then you cannot boot from it. Regards Oliver Fromme -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18-61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Jan 28 08:32:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23217 for sparc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:32:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apollo.tomco.net (security@apollo.tomco.net [207.31.101.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23208 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 08:32:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from security@tomco.net) Received: from localhost (security@localhost) by apollo.tomco.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA11547; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:36:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:36:17 -0500 (EST) From: Marc Williams To: Matthew Jacob cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement In-Reply-To: <199801272155.NAA05021@feral.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If the "Sun driver writer" is going to be yelled at I think his time would be better spent developing a concatenated disk driver that would allow software based RAID 0 (disk striping) across two or more adaptec 2940UW controllers. I have flawlessly cycled about 4GB per day for a year on my FreeBSD PC server running innd1.5 with this technology and it is a beautiful thing! Marcus R. Williams, Jr. security@tomco.net ISP Programmer / Engineer On Tue, 27 Jan 1998, Matthew Jacob wrote: > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 13:55:53 -0800 > From: Matthew Jacob > To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement > > >From owner-freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Tue Jan 27 05:10:07 1998 > >In list.freebsd-sparc Wes Peters wrote: > > > > I agree with Greg's thought, if you want SCSI, add a SCSI controller. I > > > > don't think Sun is positioning the Ultra 5 for I/O intensive applications. > > > > > > Yeah, NCR 875 boards are pretty cheap these days ($140). > > > >Can you boot an Ultra-5 from one of those? You need a SCSI > >adapter with OpenBoot ROM support, otherwise you won't be > >able to boot the beast. An el-cheapo NCR certainly won't do. > > > >Regards > > Oliver Fromme > > Not quite true. The glm hba driver and random otehr NCR boards > do work on the PCI SCSI cards. If you have problems, I can > also go yell at the Sun driver writer. > From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Jan 28 09:29:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01836 for sparc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:29:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu (bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01827 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:29:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ian@nmsu.edu) Received: from NMSU.Edu by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.8.7/NMSU) id KAA07370; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:28:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from wilma by NMSU.Edu (8.8.8/NMSU-1.18) id KAA25331; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:28:23 -0700 (MST) Received: from nmsu.edu by wilma (8.8.8/NMSU) id KAA23797; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:28:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34CF6B3B.4449C096@nmsu.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:30:35 -0700 From: Ian Logan Organization: Computing and Networking X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Williams CC: Matthew Jacob , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marc Williams wrote: > > If the "Sun driver writer" is going to be yelled at I think his time would > be better spent developing a concatenated disk driver that would allow > software based RAID 0 (disk striping) across two or more adaptec 2940UW > controllers. I have flawlessly cycled about 4GB per day for a year on my > FreeBSD PC server running innd1.5 with this technology and it is a > beautiful thing! Sun already has the drivers to do this, its part of the Solstice DiskSuite stuff. I have a ultra-1 here that is using 2 sbus scsi controllers and striping several 4GB disks, works great. Of course I would prefer to have it running FreeBSD-SPARC instead of Solaris but thats going to be a while :) Or is there a problem with 2940UW's? I missed part of this thread. Ian -- Ian Logan Computing & Networking New Mexico State University Email: ian@nmsu.edu Phone: 505-646-6034 Fax: 505-646-5278 From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Jan 28 09:36:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05137 for sparc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:36:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@[209.54.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04886 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:36:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: (from mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA06785 for freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:36:21 -0800 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:36:21 -0800 From: Matthew Jacob Message-Id: <199801281736.JAA06785@feral.com> To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From owner-freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Wed Jan 28 03:13:18 1998 > >Matthew Jacob wrote in list.freebsd-sparc: > > > > Yeah, NCR 875 boards are pretty cheap these days ($140). > > > > > >Can you boot an Ultra-5 from one of those? You need a SCSI > > >adapter with OpenBoot ROM support, otherwise you won't be > > >able to boot the beast. An el-cheapo NCR certainly won't do. > > > > Not quite true. The glm hba driver and random otehr NCR boards > > do work on the PCI SCSI cards. If you have problems, I can > > also go yell at the Sun driver writer. > >I'm not talking about OS support here. You absolutely have to >have OpenBoot support in order to be able to boot. If you plug >in an NCR or Adaptec without OpenBoot PROM, then you cannot >boot from it. > >Regards > Oliver Fromme First of all, Sun isn't supporting the Adaptec driver (neither in prom nor otherwise). I'll reconfirm on my quark back at Sun when I next go in, but that may not be entirely true about OBP on a card- I have a couple NCR cards I'll try. From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Jan 28 09:45:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07699 for sparc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:45:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@[209.54.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07688 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:44:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: (from mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA06834; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:44:35 -0800 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:44:35 -0800 From: Matthew Jacob Message-Id: <199801281744.JAA06834@feral.com> To: mjacob@feral.com, security@tomco.net Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From security@tomco.net Wed Jan 28 08:31:53 1998 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >If the "Sun driver writer" is going to be yelled at I think his time would >be better spent developing a concatenated disk driver that would allow >software based RAID 0 (disk striping) across two or more adaptec 2940UW >controllers. I have flawlessly cycled about 4GB per day for a year on my >FreeBSD PC server running innd1.5 with this technology and it is a >beautiful thing! You're asking for three things here: 1) Metadisk driver (concatenate/stripe/mirro). This has been available from Sun for years (not bundled- this is the md driver part of Online Disk Suite). 2) Adaptec hba driver. I've already done my share of dismay and yelling at Sun on this issue. What the hell's the point of going to PCI if you don't do the damn card drivers for the top 10 cards? There is *some* movement in the ROUTE66 program to get the drivers out, but it sure ain't bundled. 3) "Soft" RAID. Oh- you meant RAID0? Well, I think soft RAID III or V would be more useful- particularly if you port to 8way sun4d or sun4u. In any case, none of the above is likely to be within the province of the poor schmo I'm thinking of. In any case, this is pointless, as *BSD on a SPARC (and will someone answer why FreeBSD && NetBSD aren't the same project?) already has plenty of the above in various instantiations (e.g., the DPT RAID/SCSI and the ccd device and Justin's very fine work with the AIC chipsets..) -matt From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Jan 28 18:14:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21137 for sparc-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:14:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21071 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:13:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23274; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:32:59 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA00542; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:32:41 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980129123241.17584@lemis.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:32:41 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Marc Williams Cc: Matthew Jacob , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Ultra 5 workstation announcement References: <199801272155.NAA05021@feral.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from Marc Williams on Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 11:36:17AM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 28, 1998 at 11:36:17AM -0500, Marc Williams wrote: > If the "Sun driver writer" is going to be yelled at I think his time would > be better spent developing a concatenated disk driver that would allow > software based RAID 0 (disk striping) across two or more adaptec 2940UW > controllers. I have flawlessly cycled about 4GB per day for a year on my > FreeBSD PC server running innd1.5 with this technology and it is a > beautiful thing! I'm working on it for the current FreeBSD versions. I can't see why it shouldn't work on a Sparc port. Greg