From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Nov 15 19:14:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08278 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 19:14:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep02-svc.tin.it (mta02-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08267 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 19:14:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.234.251]) by fep02-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981116031353.FCCT16980.fep02-svc@winworkstation> for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 04:13:53 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 04:15:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Status? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981116031353.FCCT16980.fep02-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Which is the actual status of the porting? No message here about this (and other) topic. 8( Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Nov 15 19:36:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10758 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 19:36:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA10752 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 19:36:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA02068; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:38:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:38:53 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: Paolo Di Francesco cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status? In-Reply-To: <19981116031353.FCCT16980.fep02-svc@winworkstation> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org No clue, i'm not even sure if netbsd will boot on ultrasparc, i'm gonna find out tonight or tomorrow hopefully. Then i can see what has to be done. I also need a book on sparc asm, i'm going to be ordering it tomorrow. -Alfred On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > Which is the actual status of the porting? No message here about this (and > other) topic. 8( > > > > Ciao Ciao > Paolo Di Francesco > _ > ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... > ~ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Nov 15 20:53:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16594 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 20:53:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep04-svc.tin.it (mta04-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16589 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 20:53:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.234.251]) by fep04-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981116045254.SRXV25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 05:52:54 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: Alfred Perlstein Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 05:54:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Status? CC: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19981116031353.FCCT16980.fep02-svc@winworkstation> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981116045254.SRXV25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > No clue, i'm not even sure if netbsd will boot on ultrasparc, i'm gonna > find out tonight or tomorrow hopefully. Then i can see what has to be > done. > NetBSD? Why netbsd? Is this the FreeBSD list? > I also need a book on sparc asm, i'm going to be ordering it tomorrow. > I think you need docs too, about Sparc Architeture.... 8) Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Nov 15 21:16:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18498 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:16:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18493 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:16:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA02154; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 00:19:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 00:19:05 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: Paolo Di Francesco cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status? In-Reply-To: <19981116045254.SRXV25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > > > > No clue, i'm not even sure if netbsd will boot on ultrasparc, i'm gonna > > find out tonight or tomorrow hopefully. Then i can see what has to be > > done. > > > > NetBSD? Why netbsd? Is this the FreeBSD list? NetBSD has a almost usable sparc64 port, since their license is compat with our license i can rip a lot of code as long as i give proper credit. I donot think i have the skill to start from scratch. > > > I also need a book on sparc asm, i'm going to be ordering it tomorrow. > > > > I think you need docs too, about Sparc Architeture.... 8) > i No doubt :) if anyone has anything online about the sparc chips/bus/peripherals I'd love to get a URL to it. Thanks., -Alfred > > > Ciao Ciao > Paolo Di Francesco > _ > ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... > ~ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Nov 15 21:30:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19591 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:30:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep02-svc.tin.it (mta02-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19585 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:30:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.234.251]) by fep02-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981116053016.FFAC16980.fep02-svc@winworkstation>; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 06:30:16 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: Alfred Perlstein Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 06:31:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Status? CC: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19981116045254.SRXV25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981116053016.FFAC16980.fep02-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > NetBSD? Why netbsd? Is this the FreeBSD list? > > NetBSD has a almost usable sparc64 port, since their license is compat with our > license i can rip a lot of code as long as i give proper credit. I donot > think i have the skill to start from scratch. Ok, try and let me know... 8) > > > > > I also need a book on sparc asm, i'm going to be ordering it tomorrow. > > > > > > > I think you need docs too, about Sparc Architeture.... 8) > > > i > No doubt :) if anyone has anything online about the sparc > chips/bus/peripherals I'd love to get a URL to it. > www.sparc.org ? Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Nov 15 22:06:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22715 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:06:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22710 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 22:06:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA02203; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 01:08:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 01:08:57 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: Paolo Di Francesco cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status? In-Reply-To: <19981116053016.FFAC16980.fep02-svc@winworkstation> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > NetBSD has a almost usable sparc64 port, since their license is compat with our > > license i can rip a lot of code as long as i give proper credit. I donot > > think i have the skill to start from scratch. > > Ok, try and let me know... 8) will do. > > > > I also need a book on sparc asm, i'm going to be ordering it tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > I think you need docs too, about Sparc Architeture.... 8) > > > > > i > > No doubt :) if anyone has anything online about the sparc > > chips/bus/peripherals I'd love to get a URL to it. > > > > www.sparc.org ? > yes yes :) i was hoping for something free, but i will most likely order from them tomorrow. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Nov 16 14:31:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25984 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:31:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mescalero.asd1.rl.ac.uk ([130.246.170.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25967 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:31:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmb@mescalero.asd1.rl.ac.uk) Received: (from tmb@localhost) by mescalero.asd1.rl.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA17464 for freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:31:18 GMT (envelope-from tmb) Message-ID: <19981116223118.A17454@asd1.rl.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:31:18 +0000 From: Mark Blackman To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Semi-Historical Note [jasone@canonware.com: Disinvolvement with FreeBSD/SPARC] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just for some context regarding recent messages, and this gentleman if still employed by Sun Microelectronics can get you documentation. ----- Forwarded message from Jason Evans ----- X-Authentication-Warning: mozart.canonware.com: jasone owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 23:37:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Evans Reply-To: Jason Evans To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Disinvolvement with FreeBSD/SPARC Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Back in November or so, I announced that as part of my job at Sun, I would be working on a port of FreeBSD to the UltraSPARC. Since then, a number of events have happened that prevented me from making much progress on the port. In particular, I was put on a high-priority internal project to speed up progress. This project took virtually all of my time at work (plus some). My superiors made the correct decision in putting me on the project, but it did impede my progress on FreeBSD. Most recently, it appears that marketing at Sun Microelectronics does not have the necessary tangible demand from potential customers to put resources into the port, especially given that there are other more lucrative projects that are under-staffed. Once again, the people making the decisions are doing the proper thing, but it of course has a negative impact on the FreeBSD port, at least as far as my time is concerned. This puts me in an uncomfortable position. I'm very interested in seeing a FreeBSD/SPARC port, but it is no longer part of my job to work on the port. That means I have to make a decision about what to do with my "free time" outside of work. Deciding whether to pursue the FreeBSD/SPARC port has been a difficult decision for me. In the end however, I have decided to not work on it as a personal project. The main reason for this is that I have been working on the design for SQRL, a SQL-92 DBMS (http://www.sqrl.org/sqrl) for over two years now, and writing it is very important to me. Since SQRL is my true programming love, I don't think I would be able to do the FreeBSD/SPARC port justice. There are hopefully some positive aspects of my decision for the FreeBSD community. I'm developing SQRL on FreeBSD, and you can be sure that it will run best on FreeBSD. It will be an excellent DBMS, an asset to FreeBSD. =) Also, my job at Sun includes supporting people in porting their OSes to the UltraSPARC. I am available to anyone in the FreeBSD group as an information resource, and I will make it a priority to aid any FreeBSD porting efforts with useful information. I hope the FreeBSD community can understand and accept my decision to discontinue work on FreeBSD/SPARC at this time. Undoubtedly this email will perturb some people, but I'd rather do that now than dishonestly act like I'm kinda sorta working on the port. Regards, Jason Evans Jason Evans Email: [jasone@canonware.com] Home phone: [(650) 856-8204] Work phone: [(408) 774-8007] Quote: ["Invention is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration" - Thomas Edison] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message ----- End forwarded message ----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Nov 16 15:55:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08131 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:55:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep04-svc.tin.it (mta04-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08118 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:55:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.234.86]) by fep04-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981116235412.YBTG25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:54:12 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: Mark Blackman Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 00:55:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Semi-Historical Note [jasone@canonware.com: Disinvolvement w CC: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19981116223118.A17454@asd1.rl.ac.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981116235412.YBTG25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Just for some context regarding recent messages, > and this gentleman if still employed by Sun Microelectronics can > get you documentation. Ok, so now who is working (actively) on the project? I think we need someone who will coordinate this work.... 8) Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Nov 16 16:43:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA15929 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:43:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA15921 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:43:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA03806; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:45:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:45:07 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: Paolo Di Francesco cc: Mark Blackman , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Semi-Historical Note [jasone@canonware.com: Disinvolvement w In-Reply-To: <19981116235412.YBTG25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Afaik I'm the only one who is going to be working on it*, I'm not even sure how far I will get. If anyone wants to jump in that would be great. I'm going to work on simple stuff first, ie. wrapping libc syscalls to better familiarize myself with the sparc arch. I will not co-ordinate the port as I don't feel I have enough experiance to do so, if someone with a firm understanding of porting or sparc arch would like to step up the job it would be much appreciated. Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com -- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. -- http://www.freebsd.org/ 3.0-current [*] i haven't been pointed to any previous stuff in the works and no one has piped up with "oh yeah i'm working on that, i got X or Y done already" On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > > > Just for some context regarding recent messages, > > and this gentleman if still employed by Sun Microelectronics can > > get you documentation. > > Ok, so now who is working (actively) on the project? I think we need someone > who will coordinate this work.... 8) > > > Ciao Ciao > Paolo Di Francesco > _ > ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... > ~ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Nov 16 17:08:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18873 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:08:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nekto.munet.mun.ca (nekto.munet.mun.ca [134.153.252.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18853 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:08:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from amigus@morgan.ucs.mun.ca) Received: from morgan.ucs.mun.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nekto.munet.mun.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA07275 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:37:59 -0330 (NST) Message-ID: <3650CC6E.EFE56232@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:37:58 -0330 From: Adam Migus Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 i86pc) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Semi-Historical Note [jasone@canonware.com: Disinvolvement w References: <19981116235412.YBTG25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > > > Just for some context regarding recent messages, > > and this gentleman if still employed by Sun Microelectronics can > > get you documentation. > > Ok, so now who is working (actively) on the project? I think we need someone > who will coordinate this work.... 8) > > Ciao Ciao > Paolo Di Francesco > _ > ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... > ~ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message I personally would love to do it but I don't think I have the knowledge about operating system development required. I have an extreme interest in learning more but I think a project coordinater should be a person with a little more experience than I. I am willing to dedicate my free time to this cause as well as any resources I have. My purpose for mailing is to insist that this project warrants support and should not die! Is there anyone out there that can take an authoritive role in this project? -- ______________________________________________________________________ Adam Migus (amigus@morgan.ucs.mun.ca) Network Administrator, Dept. of Computing and Communications Memorial University of Newfoundland Phone: (709)-737-2130 Fax: (709)-737-3514 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Nov 16 17:35:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21589 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:35:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21584 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:35:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id UAA16608; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:34:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 20:34:37 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Adam Migus cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Semi-Historical Note [jasone@canonware.com: Disinvolvement w In-Reply-To: <3650CC6E.EFE56232@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Adam Migus wrote: > Is there anyone out there that can take an authoritive role in this project? In for a penny in for a pound. No time like the present! There is no experience like hands on experience! No one is gonna jump to the plate on this im afraid or it wouldnt have died the first time. Your just gonna have to buckle down and do trial and error with each other until it works. Thereby learning ALOT in the process. Thats the only way its gonna get done, so the ball is in your court, do you want to jump in feet first and Just Do It(tm) or sit by and atch it die again. This is the only way its gonna get done. Go for it! You can do it! Chris -- "You both seem to be ignoring the fact that the networking market is driven by so-called 'IT professionals' these days, most of whom can't tell the difference between an ARP and a carp." --Wes Peters ===================================| Open Systems FreeBSD Consulting. FreeBSD 3.0 is available now! | Phone: (402)573-9124 / ICQ # 20016186 -----------------------------------| 3335 N. 103 Plaza, Omaha, NE 68134 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting, Network Engineering, Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 03:32:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA26683 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 03:32:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (in-ruhr.ruhr.de [141.39.224.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA26677 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 03:32:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ch@adimus.de) Received: (from admin@localhost) by mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5) with UUCP id MAA10125; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:01:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail by mx.adimus.de with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0zfiXQ-0004q7-00; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:39:12 +0100 Received: from det.adimus.de(192.168.0.1) via SMTP by adimus.de, id smtpdSXYS79; Tue Nov 17 11:39:08 1998 Received: from ch by det.adimus.de with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0zfiXL-0001Y2-00; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:39:07 +0100 To: Adam Migus Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Semi-Historical Note [jasone@canonware.com: Disinvolvement w References: <19981116235412.YBTG25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> <3650CC6E.EFE56232@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Christoph Haas Date: 17 Nov 1998 11:39:06 +0100 In-Reply-To: Adam Migus's message of "Mon, 16 Nov 1998 21:37:58 -0330" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Adam Migus writes: > I am willing to dedicate my free time to this cause as well as any > resources I have. My purpose for mailing is to insist that this project > warrants support and should not die! And so do I think. But we should (as I read somewhere else) not limit this port to UltraSPARC only. I have a (at least for me) well equipped SPARCStation 4 (which uses a 110MHz MicroSPARC = sun4m) that I'm willing to boot with *BSD and Solaris 7. I'm interested in learning how to port various BSDs to it (Open, Net and now FreeBSD) and to my Alpha in my free time, which will not be as much as I would like to have in the next months. But nevertheless, let's get it going... > Is there anyone out there that can take an authoritive role in this project? I'm afraid, but 1) I don't have the necessary experiences and 2) no time at all (well, nearly...). Christoph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 04:37:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05536 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:37:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep04-svc.tin.it (mta04-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05530 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:37:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.234.68]) by fep04-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981117123651.WCQ25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:36:51 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:38:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Some infos... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981117123651.WCQ25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, now I know the situation. What about more infos? 8) Complete below and send it to the list! Maybe it's better if you send it to me, so I will complete it without double entrie, and I'll send results to the list. Thank you. Name : your name Actively Dev: If you are writing code Why: why you are not writing code Sparc: if you have a sparc box Time: how much time have you? Scale 1-10 Name Actively Dev Why Sparc Time --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paolo Di Francesco No No sparc Hardware No 5 Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 04:37:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05554 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:37:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep04-svc.tin.it (mta04-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05531 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 04:37:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.234.68]) by fep04-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981117123657.WCV25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:36:57 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:38:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Starting point? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981117123657.WCV25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't know if we have to start from 2.2.7 (2.2.x) or 3.0 version of freebsd. Ok 3.0 is the last version, but 2.2.7 (maybe) it's more documented (?) or more easy to port. Someone from the freebsd-core can help us on this topic? Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 05:41:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA12816 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 05:41:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from octopus.originative.co.uk (originat.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA12786 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 05:40:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul@originative.co.uk) Received: by OCTOPUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:39:12 -0000 Message-ID: From: Paul Richards To: "'Paolo Di Francesco'" , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Starting point? Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:39:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Paolo Di Francesco [mailto:paipai@tin.it] > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 1998 1:39 PM > To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Starting point? > > > I don't know if we have to start from 2.2.7 (2.2.x) or 3.0 > version of freebsd. > Ok 3.0 is the last version, but 2.2.7 (maybe) it's more > documented (?) or more > easy to port. Someone from the freebsd-core can help us on this topic? Start from 3.0. Main reasons being, ELF, CAM and the alpha port. You'll suffer from the fact that 3.0 is still stabilising but 2.2.7 will have become old technology by the time you get anywhere with a sparc port and there'll be a considerable porting effort moving from a 2.2.7 code base to the 3.0 branches. Paul Richards Ph.D. Originative Solutions Ltd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 07:35:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25717 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 07:35:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral-gw.feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25712 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 07:35:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral-gw.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA17477; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 07:33:31 -0800 Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 07:33:31 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Paolo Di Francesco cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Starting point? In-Reply-To: <19981117123657.WCV25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Work from 3.0. It has more of the SMP stuff in it and CAM. If I had time, I'd help. But I don't. If there are questions about Sun h/w internals, I can help for sun4, sun4c && sun4m. If there are questions related to how Sun did something in Solaris up to and including Solaris 2.7, I can also help with that . On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > I don't know if we have to start from 2.2.7 (2.2.x) or 3.0 version of freebsd. > Ok 3.0 is the last version, but 2.2.7 (maybe) it's more documented (?) or more > easy to port. Someone from the freebsd-core can help us on this topic? > > > > > Ciao Ciao > Paolo Di Francesco > _ > ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... > ~ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 08:42:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03386 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:42:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03346 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:42:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (wes@zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01479; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:41:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <3651A737.385F86B7@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 09:41:27 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christoph Haas CC: Adam Migus , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Semi-Historical Note [jasone@canonware.com: Disinvolvement w References: <19981116235412.YBTG25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> <3650CC6E.EFE56232@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Christoph Haas wrote: > > Adam Migus writes: > > > I am willing to dedicate my free time to this cause as well as any > > resources I have. My purpose for mailing is to insist that this project > > warrants support and should not die! > > And so do I think. But we should (as I read somewhere else) not limit > this port to UltraSPARC only. I have a (at least for me) well equipped > SPARCStation 4 (which uses a 110MHz MicroSPARC = sun4m) that I'm > willing to boot with *BSD and Solaris 7. I'm interested in learning how > to port various BSDs to it (Open, Net and now FreeBSD) and to my Alpha > in my free time, which will not be as much as I would like to have in the next > months. But nevertheless, let's get it going... > > > Is there anyone out there that can take an authoritive role in this project? > > I'm afraid, but 1) I don't have the necessary experiences and 2) no > time at all (well, nearly...). You're not going to find anyone with the experience to do this; if someone with the experience was on the project, it would be done. I too have a SPARCstation 5 and an a few hours a week to load, compile, test, and file bug reports, and can probably even help with some of the userland stuff, but just don't have the time to dedicate to a full-pitch effort on the SPARC port; I have too many other irons in the fire. Adam, if you want it, step up to the plate. Someone long ago offered that the best way to start this port is to get the entire FreeBSD userland running on NetBSD-SPARC kernel. Wanna jump on that? -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 08:54:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05975 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:54:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05908 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 08:54:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04807; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:56:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:56:34 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: Paolo Di Francesco cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Starting point? In-Reply-To: <19981117123657.WCV25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org if we port 2.2.x we are doomed. 3.0 is the way to go. 3.0 also has a LOT more in terms of portability done from the work towards the alpha port. Still need to pick up those sparc arch books, i'll be doing that sometime this week. :) As far as availability/skills i'm not too available, but will probably spend 50% of my free time on this (which isn't a lot) What i know i can do: write sparc asm, (as soon as i get the books) wrapper libc some of the simple stuff in the low level kernel libraries i haven't done stuff with protected mode coding (page tables, iopl, etc.) but i hope to learn. Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com -- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. -- http://www.freebsd.org/ 3.0-current On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > I don't know if we have to start from 2.2.7 (2.2.x) or 3.0 version of freebsd. > Ok 3.0 is the last version, but 2.2.7 (maybe) it's more documented (?) or more > easy to port. Someone from the freebsd-core can help us on this topic? > > > > > Ciao Ciao > Paolo Di Francesco > _ > ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... > ~ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 11:19:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27304 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:19:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep03-svc.tin.it (mta03-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27272 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:18:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.234.136]) by fep03-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981117191824.ELKO23830.fep03-svc@winworkstation> for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:18:24 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:19:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Porting process (Again) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981117191824.ELKO23830.fep03-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Step #1) Read docs about the booting process, and do experiments on it. This means we need to write some asm code and do some unusefull things, such as to print on the screen "Hello world". I can do it on i386 using a floppy. This mean I can boot ANYTHING from the floppy. (Well, I loaded an image directly from the boot sector). The same thing will happen under Sparc. This will improve the asm skill... Step #2) Choose a version to start from. (Maybe 3.0?) Step #3) Isolate the asm (i386) code from the FreeBSD kernel code. This mean : Step #3.1) Isolate the asm directory and then the asm source files. Many of the directories have no asm code, so we need concentrate on the dirs which HAVE asm code. Then, in these dirs many files have no asm code. And so on. So a document with a tree like sys ----+ +-> dir #1 Nothing to modify +-> dir #2 + Here some asm files +-> file #1 to rewrite (partially) +-> file #2 to rewrite (totally) and so on... Step #3.2) Understand priority. What we need NOW to boot... For example we do not need "low priority" files which are not usefull for the first kernel version. Step #4) configure the base kernel and compile it under i386. This means that when we have well understood which files we need and which not, we can try to delete all unecessary files from the /usr/src/sys dir and then try to compile it under i386. This configuration will be the "starting point". Step #n-1) Write the device dependent code. Controller, network cards, misc cards, and so on. ... ... ... Step #n) write the code and compile it.... (Good Luck!) Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 11:19:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27319 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:19:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep03-svc.tin.it (mta03-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27267 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:18:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.234.136]) by fep03-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981117191810.ELJR23830.fep03-svc@winworkstation> for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:18:10 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:19:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: What we need X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981117191810.ELJR23830.fep03-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How to start the porting process? Well, we need (I think) 1) Documentation references. Something like "read this, that, and those documents BEFORE you start coding...." Possibly the docs must be in PDF (or portable) format, but always (when possible) on the net. 2) The list of all avaible Sparc Box. So you can tell someone else to try to compile the latest version of your beautiful code 8) 3) A common development environment. To port an O.S. you need another O.S. and a crosscompiler. Maybe we need Sparc boxes, but you can use an Intel box to write and crosscompile code. I think the best situation is: o Sparc Box (ultrasparc, etc...) o Solaris or NetBSD on the SPARC BOX o a cross compiler -> gcc I think, because we have to use it when the porting process will be complete o the same source code or environment on the dev. machine More ideas? Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 11:19:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27357 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:19:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep03-svc.tin.it (mta03-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27299 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:19:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.234.136]) by fep03-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981117191818.ELKB23830.fep03-svc@winworkstation> for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:18:18 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:19:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Sparc Booting Process X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981117191818.ELKB23830.fep03-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How the Sparc hw boots up? Where can I find more infos, documents and so on? Can someone test my code? ( I do not have a sparc box... 8( ) I don't think sparc asm will be very far from i386 asm. I hope.... ;) Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 12:07:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04932 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:07:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kit.isi.edu (kit.isi.edu [128.9.160.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04927 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:07:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eddy@kit.isi.edu) Received: (from eddy@localhost) by kit.isi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) id MAA26317; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:06:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eddy) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:06:50 -0800 (PST) From: eddy@isi.edu To: "Paolo Di Francesco" Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What we need In-Reply-To: <19981117191810.ELJR23830.fep03-svc@winworkstation> References: <19981117191810.ELJR23830.fep03-svc@winworkstation> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <13905.54709.543764.312267@kit.isi.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paolo Di Francesco states: > 2) The list of all avaible Sparc Box. So you can tell someone else to try to > compile the latest version of your beautiful code 8) > o Sparc Box (ultrasparc, etc...) > o Solaris or NetBSD on the SPARC BOX I have at least one sparc20 with NetBSD that i can dedicate to the cause. (sorry no ultra sparcs, we've been buying intel lately). and enough time to do some tests and what not. A previous email mentioned the avenue of getting freebsd userland running on a sparc/netbsd kernel. would this be a significant benifiet? if so, i can spend some time doing this. - rusty To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 12:18:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05926 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:18:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from skunkworks.specialty.ab.ca (skunkworks.specialty.ab.ca [207.167.8.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05909 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:18:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jbg@masterplan.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by skunkworks.specialty.ab.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id NAA18047; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:16:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jbg@masterplan.org) Received: from infomat.precident.com (infomat [192.168.4.2]) by gongshow.masterplan.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00331; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:15:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jbg@masterplan.org) Message-Id: <199811172015.NAA00331@gongshow.masterplan.org> From: jbg@masterplan.org (Jason George) To: bright@hotjobs.com, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG, jbg@masterplan.org Subject: Re: Starting point? Organization: The Master Plan Always Fails... Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:15:54 GMT Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't have much extra time on my hands, but I do have access to a Sparc 5 clone for build testing and to a significant amount of extra network capacity. I will offer the bandwidth (a barely used 2Mbit SDSL line located in Western Canada - a T3 and a few hops away from Sprint's Cheyenne, Wyoming POP) and a box to host a FTP repository if anyone's interested. Contact me via e-mail. --Jason jbgmasterplan.org j.b.georgeieee.org > >if we port 2.2.x we are doomed. 3.0 is the way to go. > >3.0 also has a LOT more in terms of portability done from the work towards >the alpha port. > >Still need to pick up those sparc arch books, i'll be doing that sometime >this week. :) > >As far as availability/skills i'm not too available, but will probably >spend 50% of my free time on this (which isn't a lot) > >What i know i can do: >write sparc asm, (as soon as i get the books) >wrapper libc >some of the simple stuff in the low level kernel libraries > >i haven't done stuff with protected mode coding (page tables, iopl, etc.) >but i hope to learn. > >Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com >-- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. >-- http://www.freebsd.org/ 3.0-current > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 12:48:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10460 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:48:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep03-svc.tin.it (mta03-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10444 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:48:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.237.71]) by fep03-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981117204800.EVVJ23830.fep03-svc@winworkstation>; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:48:00 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG, Wes Peters Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:49:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Semi-Historical Note [jasone@canonware.com: Disinvolvement w In-reply-to: <3651A737.385F86B7@softweyr.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981117204800.EVVJ23830.fep03-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > You're not going to find anyone with the experience to do this; if > someone with the experience was on the project, it would be done. I'm here with the same goal.... Learn, learn and learn! 8) > I too have a SPARCstation 5 and an a few hours a week to load, compile, > test, and file bug reports, and can probably even help with some of > the userland stuff, but just don't have the time to dedicate to a > full-pitch effort on the SPARC port; I have too many other irons in the > fire. Ok, so we have 2 sparkstation 5. Good. 8) You will be considered as a tester, ok? > Adam, if you want it, step up to the plate. Someone long ago offered that > the best way to start this port is to get the entire FreeBSD userland > running on NetBSD-SPARC kernel. Wanna jump on that? This could be a good starting point. Someone has more infos about this? Teorically, it is correct, but I think (and this is MY opinion) you must modify something if the kernels are not very, very similar. Actually I don't know if netbsdKernel+FreeBSD userland will work, but we can try. (I have no Sparc box, so someone else will tell us, I hope... ;) ) P.S. Please send me your entry about the developer list. (read my message "some info" please) Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 12:48:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10519 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:48:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep03-svc.tin.it (mta03-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10449 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:48:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.237.71]) by fep03-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981117204753.EVUY23830.fep03-svc@winworkstation> for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:47:53 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:49:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Starting point? References: <19981117123657.WCV25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981117204753.EVUY23830.fep03-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > if we port 2.2.x we are doomed. 3.0 is the way to go. > 3.0 also has a LOT more in terms of portability done from the work towards > the alpha port. Ok, we'll start with 3.0. I hope that in the 3.2 version we'll have the sparc version included in the CD package.... 8) Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 12:49:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10692 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:49:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep03-svc.tin.it (mta03-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10585 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:48:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.237.71]) by fep03-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981117204813.EVVY23830.fep03-svc@winworkstation> for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:48:13 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:49:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Coordinate X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981117204813.EVVY23830.fep03-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If noone wants to coordinate, well, I'll do it until I'll have an UltraSparc Box. Suggestions? Critics? Tell me if it's good for you. Thank you. Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 12:53:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11419 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:53:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nekto.munet.mun.ca (nekto.munet.mun.ca [134.153.252.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11410 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:53:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from amigus@morgan.ucs.mun.ca) Received: from morgan.ucs.mun.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nekto.munet.mun.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA08784 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:23:16 -0330 (NST) Message-ID: <3651E23B.D7AC6F69@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:23:15 -0330 From: Adam Migus Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 i86pc) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Semi-Historical Note [jasone@canonware.com: Disinvolvement w References: <19981116235412.YBTG25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> <3650CC6E.EFE56232@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> <3651A737.385F86B7@softweyr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wes Peters wrote: > Christoph Haas wrote: > > > > Adam Migus writes: > > > > > I am willing to dedicate my free time to this cause as well as any > > > resources I have. My purpose for mailing is to insist that this project > > > warrants support and should not die! > > > > And so do I think. But we should (as I read somewhere else) not limit > > this port to UltraSPARC only. I have a (at least for me) well equipped > > SPARCStation 4 (which uses a 110MHz MicroSPARC = sun4m) that I'm > > willing to boot with *BSD and Solaris 7. I'm interested in learning how > > to port various BSDs to it (Open, Net and now FreeBSD) and to my Alpha > > in my free time, which will not be as much as I would like to have in the next > > months. But nevertheless, let's get it going... > > > > > Is there anyone out there that can take an authoritive role in this project? > > > > I'm afraid, but 1) I don't have the necessary experiences and 2) no > > time at all (well, nearly...). > > You're not going to find anyone with the experience to do this; if > someone with the experience was on the project, it would be done. > > I too have a SPARCstation 5 and an a few hours a week to load, compile, > test, and file bug reports, and can probably even help with some of > the userland stuff, but just don't have the time to dedicate to a > full-pitch effort on the SPARC port; I have too many other irons in the > fire. > > Adam, if you want it, step up to the plate. Someone long ago offered that > the best way to start this port is to get the entire FreeBSD userland > running on NetBSD-SPARC kernel. Wanna jump on that? > > -- > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" > > Wes Peters Softweyr LLC > http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message As I said before I really don't feel I have the experience nessessary to lead the effort in porting FreeBSD to the sparc platform. However given the reaction and the lack of a more qualified person I will accept the duty of coordinator on this port if no one else wishes to take it. As I have said before and will re-iterate I do not presently have the skills required to port an operating system. Providing everyone will bare that in mind I will try my best to learn as much as I can, as fast as I can. I would like to make this mildly democratic so I now want to give anyone listening a chance to suggest an alternative if they feel one is appropriate. In the event that everyone is content with my semi-self-appointment to project coordinator I look forward working with everyone on this project and I hope it will be a learning experience for us all as it certainly will for me. :) -- ______________________________________________________________________ Adam Migus (amigus@morgan.ucs.mun.ca) Network Administrator, Dept. of Computing and Communications Memorial University of Newfoundland Phone: (709)-737-2130 Fax: (709)-737-3514 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 13:27:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17654 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:27:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu (delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu [128.135.5.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17549 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:26:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ecameron@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu) Received: (from ecameron@localhost) by delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA01489; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:26:24 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19981117152624.K7350@bsd.uchicago.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:26:24 -0600 From: Erik Cameron To: Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Starting point? References: <19981117123657.WCV25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> <19981117204753.EVUY23830.fep03-svc@winworkstation> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981117204753.EVUY23830.fep03-svc@winworkstation>; from Paolo Di Francesco on Tue, Nov 17, 1998 at 09:49:00PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I haven't been subscribed to the list very long, but I have read the archive... I'm pretty interested in the port, I was one of a couple admins for about 20 FreeBSD machines at my last job, and I'm a S(l)o(w)laris admin now... I'm perfectly willing to devote my rather little programming knowledge whenever I can. Question: Although it seems that this is being hacked in a very democratic fashion, might we do well to give different people different chunks of the project? Like, say, a couple people work on compiling userland, a couple people work on bootstrap code, etc, and regularly report on progress? I read the archive and didn't really see any mention of that. -e On Tue, Nov 17, 1998 at 09:49:00PM +0000, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > > > if we port 2.2.x we are doomed. 3.0 is the way to go. > > > 3.0 also has a LOT more in terms of portability done from the work towards > > the alpha port. > > > Ok, we'll start with 3.0. I hope that in the 3.2 version we'll have the sparc > version included in the CD package.... 8) > > > > > Ciao Ciao > Paolo Di Francesco > _ > ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... > ~ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message -- erik cameron -- bsd/is support services support engineer, unix frood, sysadmin, etc. ecameron@bsd.uchicago.edu -- pager #4167 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 13:30:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18204 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:30:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu (delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu [128.135.5.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18092 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:29:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ecameron@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu) Received: (from ecameron@localhost) by delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id PAA01626; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:29:11 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19981117152911.L7350@bsd.uchicago.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:29:11 -0600 From: Erik Cameron To: Adam Migus , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Semi-Historical Note [jasone@canonware.com: Disinvolvement w References: <19981116235412.YBTG25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> <3650CC6E.EFE56232@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> <3651A737.385F86B7@softweyr.com> <3651E23B.D7AC6F69@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <3651E23B.D7AC6F69@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>; from Adam Migus on Tue, Nov 17, 1998 at 05:23:15PM -0330 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 17, 1998 at 05:23:15PM -0330, Adam Migus wrote: > Wes Peters wrote: > > Adam, if you want it, step up to the plate. Someone long ago offered that > > the best way to start this port is to get the entire FreeBSD userland > > running on NetBSD-SPARC kernel. Wanna jump on that? > > I'm gonna start work on that tonight. -e -- erik cameron -- bsd/is support services support engineer, unix frood, sysadmin, etc. ecameron@bsd.uchicago.edu -- pager #4167 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 15:05:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04752 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:05:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu (delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu [128.135.5.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04747 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:05:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ecameron@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu) Received: (from ecameron@localhost) by delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id RAA07963; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:04:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19981117170443.A6935@bsd.uchicago.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:04:43 -0600 From: Erik Cameron To: Adam Migus , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Semi-Historical Note [jasone@canonware.com: Disinvolvement w References: <19981116235412.YBTG25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> <3650CC6E.EFE56232@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> <3651A737.385F86B7@softweyr.com> <3651E23B.D7AC6F69@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> <19981117152911.L7350@bsd.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981117152911.L7350@bsd.uchicago.edu>; from Erik Cameron on Tue, Nov 17, 1998 at 03:29:11PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just to let you know, it'll prolly be a little bit before I can give you anything on this... -e On Tue, Nov 17, 1998 at 03:29:11PM -0600, Erik Cameron wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 1998 at 05:23:15PM -0330, Adam Migus wrote: > > Wes Peters wrote: > > > Adam, if you want it, step up to the plate. Someone long ago offered that > > > the best way to start this port is to get the entire FreeBSD userland > > > running on NetBSD-SPARC kernel. Wanna jump on that? > > > > > I'm gonna start work on that tonight. > > -e > > -- > erik cameron -- bsd/is support services > support engineer, unix frood, sysadmin, etc. > ecameron@bsd.uchicago.edu -- pager #4167 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message -- erik cameron -- bsd/is support services support engineer, unix frood, sysadmin, etc. ecameron@bsd.uchicago.edu -- pager #4167 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 15:05:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04792 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:05:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.webspan.net (mail.webspan.net [206.154.70.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04768 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:05:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from opsys@mail.webspan.net) Received: from orion.webspan.net (orion.webspan.net [206.154.70.5]) by mail.webspan.net (WEBSPAN/970608) with SMTP id SAA02422; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:04:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:04:52 -0500 (EST) From: Open Systems Networking X-Sender: opsys@orion.webspan.net To: Adam Migus cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Semi-Historical Note [jasone@canonware.com: Disinvolvement w In-Reply-To: <3651E23B.D7AC6F69@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, Adam Migus wrote: > As I said before I really don't feel I have the experience nessessary to lead the > effort in porting FreeBSD to the sparc platform. However given the reaction and > the lack of a more qualified person I will accept the duty of coordinator on this > port if no one else wishes to take it. > > As I have said before and will re-iterate I do not presently have the skills > required to port an operating system. Providing everyone will bare that in mind I > will try my best to learn as much as I can, as fast as I can. As I have said before this is not a race, this is not a paying job :-) Someone has to take the bull by the horns, and in lieu of that just start writing code and take it piece by piece. No rush, no hurry. Just sit down and start writing code. Make it fun thats what its all about. Dont think of it as getting FreeBSD/SPARC up in 6 days. Just have fun, learn, BE, DO. The rest will fall in place when its time. So all of you just have fun, hack around, compare notes, co-ordinate, help each other out. And soon enough a better more solid framework will start showing for a finished sparc port. But you cant think of it as doing a sparc port as the final goal that is to far ahead. "Baby steps, baby steps" - From the movie what about BOB. :-) Have fun! Enjoy yourselves! Chris -- "You both seem to be ignoring the fact that the networking market is driven by so-called 'IT professionals' these days, most of whom can't tell the difference between an ARP and a carp." --Wes Peters ===================================| Open Systems FreeBSD Consulting. FreeBSD 3.0 is available now! | Phone: (402)573-9124 / ICQ # 20016186 -----------------------------------| 3335 N. 103 Plaza, Omaha, NE 68134 FreeBSD: The power to serve! | E-Mail: opsys@open-systems.net http://www.freebsd.org | Consulting, Network Engineering, Security ===================================| http://open-systems.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 15:07:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05462 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:07:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from atdot.dotat.org (atdot.dotat.org [203.23.150.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05451 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:07:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from newton@atdot.dotat.org) Received: (from newton@localhost) by atdot.dotat.org (8.8.8/8.7) id JAA00931; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:36:42 +1030 (CST) From: Mark Newton Message-Id: <199811172306.JAA00931@atdot.dotat.org> Subject: Re: Porting process (Again) To: paipai@tin.it (Paolo Di Francesco) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:36:42 +1030 (CST) Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19981117191824.ELKO23830.fep03-svc@winworkstation> from "Paolo Di Francesco" at Nov 17, 98 08:19:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > Step #1) Read docs about the booting process, and do experiments on it. > This means we need to write some asm code and do some unusefull things, > such as to print on the screen "Hello world". I can do it on i386 using > a floppy. This mean I can boot ANYTHING from the floppy. (Well, I loaded > an image directly from the boot sector). The same thing will happen > under Sparc. > This will improve the asm skill... NetBSD's /sys/arch/sparc/stand probably has everything you need. Indeed, "borrowing" their bootblocks and standalone code verbatim might be possible. > Step #2) Choose a version to start from. (Maybe 3.0?) Absolutely: 3.0-CURRENT. You don't want the port to be obselete before it even starts. > Step #3) Isolate the asm (i386) code from the FreeBSD kernel code. This > mean : > Step #3.1) Isolate the asm directory and then the asm source files. Many > of the directories have no asm code, so we need concentrate on the dirs > which HAVE asm code. Then, in these dirs many files have no asm code. > And so on. So a document with a tree like [ yada yada ] /sys/i386/i386 should be the only relevent directory which asm code in it (there is also some in /sys/i386/isa, /sys/i386/boot and /sys/i386/linux, yes, but you aren't going to have a SPARC box with an ISA bus or i386 bootblocks, are you?). Some (most?) of the asm code in /sys/i386/i386 is only assembly language for speed, and could just as easily be written in C (indeed, some of it used to be C, from memory: bcopy routines spring immediately to mind). There's also a small amount of assembly-that-could-be-C in /usr/src/lib/libc/i386, but you aren't worried about userland yet anyway, right? Oh, I guess you'll want to port the system call stub routine -- Grab NetBSD's. > Step #3.2) Understand priority. What we need NOW to boot... For example > we do not need "low priority" files which are not usefull for the first > kernel version. Probably the easiest config for initial testing is something which includes the basic kernel, a PROM console device driver (no framebuffers or anything) and a PROM polled ethernet driver. With that config you can use an NFS root filesystem, so you won't have to write/debug any SCSI device drivers to get things up and running (if you use interfaces to the PROM devices you won't have to write any hardware-knowledgable device drivers at all. If you're polling ethernet/console you won't even need to care if your embryonic interrupt system is slightly broken). > Step #4) configure the base kernel and compile it under i386. Natch. Port the toolchain to run on NetBSD/sparc (or NetBSD/sparc64) and develop there. Cross compilation on an i386 isn't necessarily a win. > Step #n-1) Write the device dependent code. Controller, network cards, misc > cards, and so on. Probably start with a hardware-knowledgable ethernet driver to replace the (high-overhead) PROM driver, then do SCSI, then take it from there. On the uSPARC a lot of the PCI drivers have already been written for you; You'd just need PCI glue code. The new bus abstraction being worked on for FreeBSD-current might help a lot here too. - mark -------------------------------------------------------------------- I tried an internal modem, newton@atdot.dotat.org but it hurt when I walked. Mark Newton ----- Voice: +61-4-1958-3414 ------------- Fax: +61-8-83034403 ----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 15:52:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12936 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:52:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ocean.campus.luth.se (ocean.campus.luth.se [130.240.194.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12927 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:52:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se) Received: (from karpen@localhost) by ocean.campus.luth.se (8.9.1/8.9.1) id AAA02687; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:50:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from karpen) From: Mikael Karpberg Message-Id: <199811172350.AAA02687@ocean.campus.luth.se> Subject: Re: Sparc Booting Process In-Reply-To: <19981117191818.ELKB23830.fep03-svc@winworkstation> from Paolo Di Francesco at "Nov 17, 98 08:19:59 pm" To: paipai@tin.it (Paolo Di Francesco) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 00:50:07 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Paolo Di Francesco: > How the Sparc hw boots up? Where can I find more infos, documents and so on? Sorry, can't help there. > Can someone test my code? ( I do not have a sparc box... 8( ) There seems to be some people on this list willing to do that... > I don't think sparc asm will be very far from i386 asm. I hope.... ;) Fortunately it's NOT close to i386. It's a RISC, and it's non-intel. Adds up to "much nicer than i386". :-) Personally I've become quite fond of another RISC (from some labs we did at the university), the mips. :-) /Mikael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 16:13:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18870 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:13:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18840 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:13:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA09934; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:15:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:15:37 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: Mikael Karpberg cc: Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc Booting Process In-Reply-To: <199811172350.AAA02687@ocean.campus.luth.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Mikael Karpberg wrote: > According to Paolo Di Francesco: > > How the Sparc hw boots up? Where can I find more infos, documents and so on? > > Sorry, can't help there. > > > Can someone test my code? ( I do not have a sparc box... 8( ) > > There seems to be some people on this list willing to do that... > > > I don't think sparc asm will be very far from i386 asm. I hope.... ;) > > Fortunately it's NOT close to i386. > It's a RISC, and it's non-intel. Adds up to "much nicer than i386". :-) > Personally I've become quite fond of another RISC (from some labs we did > at the university), the mips. :-) > Yup, you should take a look at the PA-RISC arch, it's simply amazing how well you could design an optimizing compiler for it. I also find the MIPS to be much cooler that SPARC. But this is something i'm interested in working on. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 16:21:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20327 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:21:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from plaidsocks.com (c35486-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.1.70.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20319 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:21:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefan@csudsu.com) Received: from localhost (stefan@localhost) by plaidsocks.com (8.8.8/1.3.2) with SMTP id QAA23314; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:16:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefan@csudsu.com) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:16:07 -0800 (PST) From: Stefan Molnar X-Sender: stefan@c35486-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com To: Mikael Karpberg cc: Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc Booting Process In-Reply-To: <199811172350.AAA02687@ocean.campus.luth.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try www.sunhelp.com and you will find the OpenBoot FAQ and the NVRAM FAQ. On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Mikael Karpberg wrote: > According to Paolo Di Francesco: > > How the Sparc hw boots up? Where can I find more infos, documents and so on? > > Sorry, can't help there. > > > Can someone test my code? ( I do not have a sparc box... 8( ) > > There seems to be some people on this list willing to do that... > > > I don't think sparc asm will be very far from i386 asm. I hope.... ;) > > Fortunately it's NOT close to i386. > It's a RISC, and it's non-intel. Adds up to "much nicer than i386". :-) > Personally I've become quite fond of another RISC (from some labs we did > at the university), the mips. :-) > > /Mikael > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 17:22:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27564 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:22:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ocean.campus.luth.se (ocean.campus.luth.se [130.240.194.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27552 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:22:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karpen@ocean.campus.luth.se) Received: (from karpen@localhost) by ocean.campus.luth.se (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA03098; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 02:20:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from karpen) From: Mikael Karpberg Message-Id: <199811180120.CAA03098@ocean.campus.luth.se> Subject: Re: Porting process (Again) In-Reply-To: <19981117191824.ELKO23830.fep03-svc@winworkstation> from Paolo Di Francesco at "Nov 17, 98 08:19:59 pm" To: paipai@tin.it (Paolo Di Francesco) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 02:20:07 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Step #2) Choose a version to start from. (Maybe 3.0?) -current. There is just NO choice here. > Step #3) Isolate the asm (i386) code from the FreeBSD kernel code. This > mean : > Step #3.1) Isolate the asm directory and then the asm source files. > Many of the directories have no asm code, so we need concentrate on > the dirs which HAVE asm code. Then, in these dirs many files have no > asm code. And so on. So a document with a tree like > > sys ----+ > +-> dir #1 Nothing to modify > +-> dir #2 + Here some asm files > +-> file #1 to rewrite (partially) > +-> file #2 to rewrite (totally) > > and so on... (Please don't use tabs in something like that. Especially not with TAB < 8.) I just want to butt in and say that you should probably NOT start with the i386 specific stuff and convert. Instead, do a verbatim copy of any .../alpha/... directories into corresponding .../sparc/... directories, and convert those. That should make you go with the newest architechtures in the kernel, and hold your hand in that the alpha port should have most things you need to port separated in a nice fashion. In short, start with a port, not with the i386 code as not everything that needs to be written for a port may be written for i386 (but instead take advantage of the fact that FreeBSD is tilted towards i386 (I presume)). > Step #3.2) Understand priority. What we need NOW to boot... For example > we do not need "low priority" files which are not usefull for the first > kernel version. Right. You want the booting, VM, and a working console to print debug things on first. /Mikael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 18:23:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03869 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:23:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep04-svc.tin.it (mta04-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03864 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:23:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.237.51]) by fep04-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981118022320.ESGB25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 03:23:20 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 03:25:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Sparc board, and clones X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981118022320.ESGB25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has someone Sparc clones? As reported in the faq I found some interesting link http://www.sun.com/microelectronics/ for general infos. http://www.sun.com/microelectronics/products/axfamily.html for the boards. http://www.sun.com/microelectronics/SPARCengineUltraAX for the most interesting board in the clone market. Now, again : has someone one of this boards? If yes please contact me, I need more infos (Can I run Solaris? It's _really_ 100% compatible? and so on...) Comparison with a pure Sun-box? Please tell me! P.S. tomorrow I'll phone to the local reseller. I hope less than 800/1.000$ with a good CPU and a decent video card, but I'm an optimist... 8((( Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 18:24:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03950 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:24:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep04-svc.tin.it (mta04-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03945 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:24:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.237.51]) by fep04-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981118022422.ESIB25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation>; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 03:24:22 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: Open Systems Networking , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 03:25:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Semi-Historical Note [jasone@canonware.com: Disinvolvement w References: <3651E23B.D7AC6F69@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981118022422.ESIB25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > As I have said before this is not a race, this is not a paying job :-) Unfortunatly... 8) > Someone has to take the bull by the horns, and in lieu of that just start > writing code and take it piece by piece. No rush, no hurry. Just sit down > and start writing code. Make it fun thats what its all about. Dont think > of it as getting FreeBSD/SPARC up in 6 days. 6 days, 6 weeks or 6 years, this is not important... What we really need now is a war plan! So, this is why I wrote many messages in the last 2/3 days. Now, we have a better idea of what to do and where to start from, who is a tester, and who can write code. > Just have fun, learn, BE, DO. I have no fun, when I do not know what to do, when and where ;) > The rest will fall in place when its time. So all of you just have fun, > hack around, compare notes, co-ordinate, help each other out. As I said it's not important 6 days, 6 weeks or 6 years. We can do a war plan for the next 10 years, but we have to do it! > And soon enough a better more solid framework will start showing for a > finished sparc port. But you cant think of it as doing a sparc port as the > final goal that is to far ahead. The first port will be unstable and not so good. The second one will be rewritten usign the knowledge from the first port. This is how I work. First try to do it, and try to understand how everything works (sparc assembly, sparc architeture, and so on..) Then we can do serious projects and coding. 8) Thanks Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 18:40:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05512 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:40:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jive.nacholand.com (jive.dub.net [169.197.1.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05503 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 18:40:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unfurl@dub.net) Received: from jive.dub.net (unfurl@jive.dub.net [169.197.1.32]) by jive.nacholand.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA25307 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:41:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from unfurl@dub.net) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:41:45 -0700 (MST) From: Unfurl X-Sender: unfurl@jive.nacholand.com To: FreeBSD-SPARC List Subject: intro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, I have been on this list from when it started a ways back and I am really glad that some ppl have taken interest again. My interests lie with a lot of the ppl here: I really want to see a port developed but don't really have the necessary skills to do so but really want to learn. Right now I am a Solaris admin and have about 10 Ultra2's and 5 Sparc5's under my control. Unfortunatly, all of these machines are production servers and I can't go wiping their disks or anything like that. I do want to help though! It is about time that FreeBSD hit the SPARC platform. It would kick some serious ass if we can really get this project off the ground this time! -Bill -- unfurl@dub.net - This is a munition. Fight Back! #!/bin/perl -sp0777i Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21731 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:58:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu (delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu [128.135.5.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21726 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:58:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ecameron@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu) Received: (from ecameron@localhost) by delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id XAA16294 for freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:58:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19981117235826.B15142@bsd.uchicago.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:58:26 -0600 From: Erik Cameron To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: germination of an FAQ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I started working on an faq; as we really have no testing and no questions to ask at this point, it's mainly meta-info type things. Feel free to send mail with suggestions. (If there already is one and I'm being a dunce, please let me know... :) It's available at http://sushi.uchicago.edu/~ecameron/sparc-faq Cheers. -e -- erik cameron -- bsd/is support services support engineer, unix frood, sysadmin, etc. ecameron@bsd.uchicago.edu -- pager #4167 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 22:18:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA23400 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:18:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA23394 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:18:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA10317; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 01:20:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 01:20:52 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: Paolo Di Francesco cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones In-Reply-To: <19981118022320.ESGB25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is to all those on the list, what i tried to strike up is for an ultra-sparc port, i won't be working on any other models. Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com -- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. -- http://www.freebsd.org/ 3.0-current On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > Has someone Sparc clones? As reported in the faq I found some interesting link > > http://www.sun.com/microelectronics/ > for general infos. > > http://www.sun.com/microelectronics/products/axfamily.html > for the boards. > > http://www.sun.com/microelectronics/SPARCengineUltraAX > for the most interesting board in the clone market. > > Now, again : has someone one of this boards? If yes please contact me, I need > more infos (Can I run Solaris? It's _really_ 100% compatible? and so on...) > > Comparison with a pure Sun-box? Please tell me! > > P.S. tomorrow I'll phone to the local reseller. I hope less than 800/1.000$ > with a good CPU and a decent video card, but I'm an optimist... 8((( > > > > Ciao Ciao > Paolo Di Francesco > _ > ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... > ~ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 23:34:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27271 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:34:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tapti.hss.hns.com (tapti.hss.hns.com [139.85.242.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27242 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:33:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kchowksey@hss.hns.com) Received: from tarang.hss.hns.com (tarang.hss.hns.com [139.85.242.33]) by tapti.hss.hns.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05332 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:46:20 +0530 (IST) Received: (from kchowksey@localhost) by tarang.hss.hns.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) id NAA29623; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:21:35 +0530 (IST) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:21:35 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <199811180751.NAA29623@tarang.hss.hns.com> From: Kapil Chowksey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG x-no-archive: yes Subject: for a change, some code X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org List, A while ago, I wrote some bootup code for freebsd/sparc64. It contains the following : 1. A serial console driver (for zs chip) 2. A PROM CIF library 3. generation of hardclock() using ultrasparc's `tick_cmpr' ASR. 4. RAM probing code which puts this info into `phys_avail' array expected by machine independent vm code. 5. A pmap_bootstrap() and corresponding DTLB miss handler. (no dirty bit and reference bit support yet) I have some ideas about a fast optimised pmap for sun4u that can be better than solaris or netbsd's TSB based approach. 6. panic() 7. support for linker sets. 8. identification of CPU. All this code is written from-scratch and I can upload it to some ftp server if someone cares. But pragmatism calls for borrowing netbsd/sparc64 code. Here's an output from the kernel booting up on an ultra 1 : ok 4000 dload /tftpboot/kernel.aout Boot device: /sbus/qec/be:,|tftpboot|kernel.aout File and args: 36400 ok go prom_init: prom_stdout = 0xfffe8700 prom_init: prom_root = 0xf0029588 zs0: zsnode = 0xf005a174 zs0: mapped at = 0xfffd8000 cninit: best_cp is 0x436460 zs0: zscninit() 0xfffd8004 CPU: UltraSparc-I (manuf=0x17, impl=0x10), MAXTL=5, MAXWIN = 7 prom ttable at 0xf0000000 my ttable at 0x428000 pil = 0xd, tick = 0x8000000652bf3efe, tick_cmpr = 0xfffffffffffff261 pil = 0xd, tick = 0x00000006536e4002, tick_cmpr = 0x0000000653840c4f (0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000007efe000) (0x0000000007f00000, 0x0000000007f36000) (locked) va 00000000:fffd8000 -> pa 000001ff:f1100000 firstphys = 0x438000, avail_start = 0x38000 PD1 = 0x0000000000438000, SELF1 = 0x8000000000038037, SELF2 = 0x800000000003a037 firstphys = 0x43c000, avail_start = 0x3c000 i = 0: va(0x0000000000900000) -> pa(0x0000000007f00000) OFS=0, 1, 80 PD2 = 0x000000000043c000, data = 0x800000000003c037 PT = 0x000000000043e000, data = 0x800000000003e037 data = 0x8000000007f00037 i = 1: va(0x0000000000902000) -> pa(0x0000000007f02000) OFS=0, 1, 81 data = 0x8000000007f02037 i = 2: va(0x0000000000904000) -> pa(0x0000000007f04000) OFS=0, 1, 82 data = 0x8000000007f04037 i = 3: va(0x0000000000906000) -> pa(0x0000000007f06000) OFS=0, 1, 83 data = 0x8000000007f06037 i = 4: va(0x0000000000908000) -> pa(0x0000000007f08000) OFS=0, 1, 84 data = 0x8000000007f08037 ptbase is 0x0000000000036000 current translations of 0000000000900000: preparing for a miss ... 0x0000000000000000 dtlb miss handler wrote these translations: va 00000000:00900000 -> pa 00000000:07f00000 current translations of 0000000000902000: preparing for a miss ... 0x0000000000000000 dtlb miss handler wrote these translations: va 00000000:00902000 -> pa 00000000:07f02000 current translations of 0000000000904000: preparing for a miss ... 0x0000000000000000 dtlb miss handler wrote these translations: va 00000000:00904000 -> pa 00000000:07f04000 current translations of 0000000000906000: preparing for a miss ... 0x0000000000000000 dtlb miss handler wrote these translations: va 00000000:00906000 -> pa 00000000:07f06000 current translations of 0000000000908000: preparing for a miss ... 0x0000000000000000 dtlb miss handler wrote these translations: va 00000000:00908000 -> pa 00000000:07f08000 current translations of 000000000090a000: preparing for a miss ... panic: tl=1, tt=068, tpc=0x0000000000430b08 tstate=0000004400001602 %g1 = 0x0000000000000030 %g2 = 0x000000000090a000 %g3 = 0x0000000000000000 %g4 = 0xfffffffe00000000 %g5 = 0x800000000003e037 %g6 = 0x0000000000036000 %g7 = 0x0000000000000414 Program terminated ok All this is sun4u specific code. I am of the opinion that sun4u must be a different archiecture from sun4[c,m,] etc. as far as code organisation is concerned. Device drivers can be shared but not trap handling, and pmap. So, if anyone wants first hand knowledge about the sun4u boot sequence, compilers, sbus etc.; I will be willing to help. -- Kapil Chowksey Viva GNU ! kchowksey@hss.hns.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Nov 17 23:58:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA29033 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:58:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA29026 for ; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:58:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA04454; Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:58:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19981117235827.T26432@nuxi.com> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:58:27 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Erik Cameron , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: germination of an FAQ Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <19981117235826.B15142@bsd.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981117235826.B15142@bsd.uchicago.edu>; from Erik Cameron on Tue, Nov 17, 1998 at 11:58:26PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I started working on an faq; as we really have no testing > and no questions to ask at this point, it's mainly meta-info > type things. Feel free to send mail with suggestions. (If there > already is one and I'm being a dunce, please let me know... :) > > It's available at http://sushi.uchicago.edu/~ecameron/sparc-faq There already is a Sparc FAQ at http://www.freebsd.org/~jseger/freebsd-sparc/ pointed to from http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ Why don't you send me diffs to it? I've sent email to jseger with updates and got no reply, so I'm taking it over. Your current page is unreadable on FreeBSD using Netscape. :-) -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 04:04:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA25514 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 04:04:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (in-ruhr.ruhr.de [141.39.224.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA25425 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 04:04:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ch@adimus.de) Received: (from admin@localhost) by mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5) with UUCP id MAA15547; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:51:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail by mx.adimus.de with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0zg612-0000QW-00; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:43:20 +0100 Received: from det.adimus.de(192.168.0.1) via SMTP by adimus.de, id smtpdhJ1612; Wed Nov 18 12:43:13 1998 Received: from ch by det.adimus.de with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0zg60u-0002ai-00; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:43:12 +0100 To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Christoph Haas Date: 18 Nov 1998 12:43:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: Alfred Perlstein's message of "Wed, 18 Nov 1998 01:20:52 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alfred Perlstein writes: > This is to all those on the list, what i tried to strike up is for an > ultra-sparc port, i won't be working on any other models. But what about all those users that have some sort of "old" hardware at home (like SparcStations 10, 20, 5, 4 and so on) ? It's nice to support only the latest hardware, but here I think this way would be wrong. We should support both the "old" hardware baesd on sun4, sun4m, sun4d and the Ultra-based machines. Christoph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 05:07:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA01285 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 05:07:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jive.nacholand.com (jive.dub.net [169.197.1.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA01279 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 05:07:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unfurl@dub.net) Received: from jive.dub.net (unfurl@jive.dub.net [169.197.1.32]) by jive.nacholand.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA01194; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:06:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from unfurl@dub.net) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:06:59 -0700 (MST) From: Unfurl X-Sender: unfurl@jive.nacholand.com To: Christoph Haas cc: Alfred Perlstein , Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I for one would have to agree with alfred on this one. There are a lot of old sun's sitting out there that ppl could be using. Ov course our decision should be within reason. I think it was a good choice to not support anything below a 386 on the intel side. We need to draw the line *somewhere* but IMHO just working on Ultras will kill this project. (Especially with the price of S5's lately) -Bill -- unfurl@dub.net - This is a munition. Fight Back! #!/bin/perl -sp0777i Alfred Perlstein writes: > > > This is to all those on the list, what i tried to strike up is for an > > ultra-sparc port, i won't be working on any other models. > > But what about all those users that have some sort of "old" hardware > at home (like SparcStations 10, 20, 5, 4 and so on) ? It's nice to > support only the latest hardware, but here I think this way would be > wrong. We should support both the "old" hardware baesd on sun4, sun4m, > sun4d and the Ultra-based machines. > > Christoph > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 05:43:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA05065 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 05:43:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from artemis.syncom.net (artemis.syncom.net [206.64.31.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA05057 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 05:43:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cyouse@icon.com) Received: from windsock.flyboy.net (pppC1.syncom.net [206.64.31.181]) by artemis.syncom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA15202 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:42:55 -0500 From: Chuck Youse To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:51:28 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 0.7.9] Content-Type: text/plain References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <98111808524802.02347@windsock.flyboy.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org These Sparc boards are equipped with Ultras. I follow your point, though: SS5s and such are sun4m (V8) and do not qualify. Chuck On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >This is to all those on the list, what i tried to strike up is for an >ultra-sparc port, i won't be working on any other models. > >Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com >-- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. >-- http://www.freebsd.org/ 3.0-current > >On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > >> Has someone Sparc clones? As reported in the faq I found some interesting link >> >> http://www.sun.com/microelectronics/ >> for general infos. >> >> http://www.sun.com/microelectronics/products/axfamily.html >> for the boards. >> >> http://www.sun.com/microelectronics/SPARCengineUltraAX >> for the most interesting board in the clone market. >> >> Now, again : has someone one of this boards? If yes please contact me, I need >> more infos (Can I run Solaris? It's _really_ 100% compatible? and so on...) >> >> Comparison with a pure Sun-box? Please tell me! >> >> P.S. tomorrow I'll phone to the local reseller. I hope less than 800/1.000$ >> with a good CPU and a decent video card, but I'm an optimist... 8((( >> >> >> >> Ciao Ciao >> Paolo Di Francesco >> _ >> ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... >> ~ >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 05:57:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA06682 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 05:57:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA06674 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 05:57:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA10820; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:56:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:56:01 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: Christoph Haas cc: Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 18 Nov 1998, Christoph Haas wrote: > Alfred Perlstein writes: > > > This is to all those on the list, what i tried to strike up is for an > > ultra-sparc port, i won't be working on any other models. > > But what about all those users that have some sort of "old" hardware > at home (like SparcStations 10, 20, 5, 4 and so on) ? It's nice to > support only the latest hardware, but here I think this way would be > wrong. We should support both the "old" hardware baesd on sun4, sun4m, > sun4d and the Ultra-based machines. > > Christoph > No problem, as Jordan would say, "Show me the diffs." -Alfred Seriously supporting older sparcs would be novel, however i purchased an ultra specifically for trying this port, and the fact that it's 64 vs 32 bit code doesn't make this very trivial to support both. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 06:03:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07370 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:03:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from artemis.syncom.net (artemis.syncom.net [206.64.31.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA07364 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:03:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cyouse@icon.com) Received: from windsock.flyboy.net (pppC1.syncom.net [206.64.31.181]) by artemis.syncom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA15864 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:03:10 -0500 From: Chuck Youse To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:11:52 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 0.7.9] Content-Type: text/plain References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <98111809130300.02392@windsock.flyboy.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Christoph Haas wrote: >Alfred Perlstein writes: > >> This is to all those on the list, what i tried to strike up is for an >> ultra-sparc port, i won't be working on any other models. > >But what about all those users that have some sort of "old" hardware >at home (like SparcStations 10, 20, 5, 4 and so on) ? It's nice to >support only the latest hardware, but here I think this way would be >wrong. We should support both the "old" hardware baesd on sun4, sun4m, >sun4d and the Ultra-based machines. > > Christoph While support for sun4[mcd ] is a good thing, Kapil aptly pointed out that they really are a different architecture than the sun4u. To support both with one kernel is possible, but cumbersome at best. Better to separate the two. Chuck To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 06:31:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12208 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:31:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12203 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:31:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost by echonyc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA29630; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:30:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:30:50 -0500 (EST) From: Snob Art Genre Reply-To: ben@rosengart.com To: Chuck Youse cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones In-Reply-To: <98111809130300.02392@windsock.flyboy.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Chuck Youse wrote: > While support for sun4[mcd ] is a good thing, Kapil aptly pointed > out that they really are a different architecture than the sun4u. > To support both with one kernel is possible, but cumbersome at best. > Better to separate the two. It's not like users of older Suns would be out in the cold -- they can run NetBSD, and I think Linux or OpenBSD as well. It's also not as if coders for this project are coming out of the woodwork. IMHO, it's better to address a smaller problem domain and succeed than to be over-ambitious and fail. Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 06:39:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA13347 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:39:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (in-ruhr.ruhr.de [141.39.224.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA13075 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:38:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ch@adimus.de) Received: (from admin@localhost) by mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5) with UUCP id PAA08010; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:01:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail by mx.adimus.de with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0zg6Po-00001h-00; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:08:57 +0100 Received: from det.adimus.de(192.168.0.1) via SMTP by adimus.de, id smtpdnPmI98; Wed Nov 18 13:08:47 1998 Received: from ch by det.adimus.de with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0zg6Pf-0002rt-00; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:08:47 +0100 To: jbg@masterplan.org (Jason George) Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Starting point? References: <199811172015.NAA00331@gongshow.masterplan.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Christoph Haas Date: 18 Nov 1998 13:08:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: jbg@masterplan.org's message of "Tue, 17 Nov 1998 20:15:54 GMT" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org jbg@masterplan.org (Jason George) writes: > I don't have much extra time on my hands, but I do have access to a > Sparc 5 clone for build testing and to a significant amount of extra > network capacity. > > I will offer the bandwidth (a barely used 2Mbit SDSL line located in > Western Canada - a T3 and a few hops away from Sprint's Cheyenne, > Wyoming POP) and a box to host a FTP repository if anyone's interested. > Well, seems that we now have a point to start from. How should we go on now ? I think we should divide things up so that we don't have to reinvent the wheel every time we write a new piece of code. What about a list of necessary tasks and code-chunks (have a look at the freebsd-alpha webpages on www.freebsd.org), where everyone can pick a task and work on it ? Christoph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 06:40:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA13543 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:40:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.naviant.com (mail.naviant.com [207.106.77.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA13538 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:40:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lgriffin@naviant.com) Received: from tchaikovsky by mail.naviant.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA17082; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:40:27 -0500 From: "Lyndon Griffin" To: Subject: RE: Semi-Historical Note [jasone@canonware.com: Disinvolvement w Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:41:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000101be1301$93b3c600$71e2f4cd@tchaikovsky.naviant.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <19981117152911.L7350@bsd.uchicago.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Someone long ago offered that > > the best way to start this port is to get the entire FreeBSD userland > > running on NetBSD-SPARC kernel. Does it have to be NetBSD, or is OpenBSD acceptable as well? Of course you can infer that I have OpenBSD on my home SPARC... <:) L To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 07:02:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA16105 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:02:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu (delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu [128.135.5.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA16097 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:02:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ecameron@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu) Received: (from ecameron@localhost) by delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA26366; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:02:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19981118090225.B6935@bsd.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:02:25 -0600 From: Erik Cameron To: obrien@NUXI.com, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: germination of an FAQ References: <19981117235826.B15142@bsd.uchicago.edu> <19981117235827.T26432@nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981117235827.T26432@nuxi.com>; from David O'Brien on Tue, Nov 17, 1998 at 11:58:27PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org *grumble* cruddy web server... *grumble* freakin' mime types... I took a look at the current one; the only thing that I didn't really see was a pointer to the freebsd-sparc mailing list as a contact for getting involved. That would be pretty cool... If you need a mirror, I can do that too. -e On Tue, Nov 17, 1998 at 11:58:27PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > > I started working on an faq; as we really have no testing > > and no questions to ask at this point, it's mainly meta-info > > type things. Feel free to send mail with suggestions. (If there > > already is one and I'm being a dunce, please let me know... :) > > > > It's available at http://sushi.uchicago.edu/~ecameron/sparc-faq > > There already is a Sparc FAQ at > http://www.freebsd.org/~jseger/freebsd-sparc/ > pointed to from http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ > > Why don't you send me diffs to it? I've sent email to jseger with > updates and got no reply, so I'm taking it over. > > Your current page is unreadable on FreeBSD using Netscape. :-) > > -- > -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) -- erik cameron -- bsd/is support services support engineer, unix frood, sysadmin, etc. ecameron@bsd.uchicago.edu -- pager #4167 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 07:08:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA16729 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:08:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu (delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu [128.135.5.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA16721 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:08:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ecameron@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu) Received: (from ecameron@localhost) by delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA26738; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:07:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19981118090757.C6935@bsd.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:07:57 -0600 From: Erik Cameron To: Chuck Youse , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones References: <98111809130300.02392@windsock.flyboy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <98111809130300.02392@windsock.flyboy.net>; from Chuck Youse on Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 09:11:52AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 09:11:52AM -0500, Chuck Youse wrote: > While support for sun4[mcd ] is a good thing, Kapil aptly pointed out that they > really are a different architecture than the sun4u. To support both with one > kernel is possible, but cumbersome at best. Better to separate the two. One kernel is insufficient if you're not releasing source code. I mean, if we're talking about going through and isolating all of the (i386|alpha) code out of the kernel and concentrating our rewrites on that, I don't see as how (other than more coding) having separate sun4x and sun4u directories in the dist would be *that* much trouble. -e -- erik cameron -- bsd/is support services support engineer, unix frood, sysadmin, etc. ecameron@bsd.uchicago.edu -- pager #4167 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 07:11:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17024 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:11:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.naviant.com (mail.naviant.com [207.106.77.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA17018 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:11:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lgriffin@naviant.com) Received: from tchaikovsky by mail.naviant.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA17392; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:09:18 -0500 From: "Lyndon Griffin" To: "Christoph Haas" , "Alfred Perlstein" Cc: "Paolo Di Francesco" , Subject: RE: Sparc board, and clones Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:10:41 -0500 Message-ID: <001101be1305$9b416130$71e2f4cd@tchaikovsky.naviant.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alfred Perlstein writes: > This is to all those on the list, what i tried to strike up is for an > ultra-sparc port, i won't be working on any other models. But what about all those users that have some sort of "old" hardware at home (like SparcStations 10, 20, 5, 4 and so on) ? It's nice to support only the latest hardware, but here I think this way would be wrong. We should support both the "old" hardware baesd on sun4, sun4m, sun4d and the Ultra-based machines. ------------------- I want to expand... My input on developing only an UltraSPARC port is this: first off, the knowledge floating around about the Ultras is, in my experience, a lot less quantitative than information you can find about most "plain-old-SPARC" chips. Take into account that there is a lot of work that has already been done on sun4* architecture, in terms of other OS's, that is either GPL or open source - providing this project with a broad base of knowledge to borrow and build on. Finish off with I don't have an Ultra that I can use for development yet, so my contribution to a project that is only UltraSPARC is going to be nil. I don't think it is wrong to include Ultras in the port, but I believe it is stupidity to disclude earlier SPARCs. Disagreements welcome. <:) L To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 07:18:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17905 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:18:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from artemis.syncom.net (artemis.syncom.net [206.64.31.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA17899 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:18:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cyouse@icon.com) Received: from windsock.flyboy.net (pppC1.syncom.net [206.64.31.181]) by artemis.syncom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA18359; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:17:41 -0500 From: Chuck Youse To: Erik Cameron Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:26:38 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 0.7.9] Content-Type: text/plain References: <19981118090757.C6935@bsd.uchicago.edu> Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <98111810273402.02475@windsock.flyboy.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, you wrote: >On Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 09:11:52AM -0500, Chuck Youse wrote: >> While support for sun4[mcd ] is a good thing, Kapil aptly pointed out that they >> really are a different architecture than the sun4u. To support both with one >> kernel is possible, but cumbersome at best. Better to separate the two. > >One kernel is insufficient if you're not releasing source code. I mean, if >we're talking about going through and isolating all of the (i386|alpha) code >out of the kernel and concentrating our rewrites on that, I don't see as how >(other than more coding) having separate sun4x and sun4u directories in the >dist would be *that* much trouble. >erik cameron -- bsd/is support services >support engineer, unix frood, sysadmin, etc. >ecameron@bsd.uchicago.edu -- pager #4167 Isn't that what I said? Chuck To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 07:20:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA18414 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:20:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu (delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu [128.135.5.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA18384 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:20:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ecameron@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu) Received: (from ecameron@localhost) by delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id JAA27578; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:20:27 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19981118092027.D6935@bsd.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:20:27 -0600 From: Erik Cameron To: Chuck Youse Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones References: <19981118090757.C6935@bsd.uchicago.edu> <98111810273402.02475@windsock.flyboy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <98111810273402.02475@windsock.flyboy.net>; from Chuck Youse on Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 10:26:38AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry, when you said supporting "both with one kernel" I thought the implied solution was to separate the projects entirely. It's too early... I'm gonna get a cup of coffee and see if brain likes me more after that... :| -e On Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 10:26:38AM -0500, Chuck Youse wrote: > On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, you wrote: > >On Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 09:11:52AM -0500, Chuck Youse wrote: > >> While support for sun4[mcd ] is a good thing, Kapil aptly pointed out that they > >> really are a different architecture than the sun4u. To support both with one > >> kernel is possible, but cumbersome at best. Better to separate the two. > > > >One kernel is insufficient if you're not releasing source code. I mean, if > >we're talking about going through and isolating all of the (i386|alpha) code > >out of the kernel and concentrating our rewrites on that, I don't see as how > >(other than more coding) having separate sun4x and sun4u directories in the > >dist would be *that* much trouble. > >erik cameron -- bsd/is support services > >support engineer, unix frood, sysadmin, etc. > >ecameron@bsd.uchicago.edu -- pager #4167 > > Isn't that what I said? > > Chuck -- erik cameron -- bsd/is support services support engineer, unix frood, sysadmin, etc. ecameron@bsd.uchicago.edu -- pager #4167 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 08:07:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24081 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:07:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA24061 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:07:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA10989; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:09:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:09:40 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: Lyndon Griffin cc: Christoph Haas , Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Sparc board, and clones In-Reply-To: <001101be1305$9b416130$71e2f4cd@tchaikovsky.naviant.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Lyndon Griffin wrote: > Alfred Perlstein writes: > > > This is to all those on the list, what i tried to strike up is for an > > ultra-sparc port, i won't be working on any other models. > > But what about all those users that have some sort of "old" hardware > at home (like SparcStations 10, 20, 5, 4 and so on) ? It's nice to > support only the latest hardware, but here I think this way would be > wrong. We should support both the "old" hardware baesd on sun4, sun4m, > sun4d and the Ultra-based machines. > ------------------- > I want to expand... > > My input on developing only an UltraSPARC port is this: first off, the > knowledge floating around about the Ultras is, in my experience, a lot less > quantitative than information you can find about most "plain-old-SPARC" > chips. Take into account that there is a lot of work that has already been > done on sun4* architecture, in terms of other OS's, that is either GPL or > open source - providing this project with a broad base of knowledge to > borrow and build on. Finish off with I don't have an Ultra that I can use > for development yet, so my contribution to a project that is only UltraSPARC > is going to be nil. > > I don't think it is wrong to include Ultras in the port, but I believe it is > stupidity to disclude earlier SPARCs. > > Disagreements welcome. > > <:) L > sure, go ahead and do it. i'm not stopping you. :) Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com -- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. -- http://www.freebsd.org/ 3.0-current To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 09:32:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04754 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:32:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from icicle.winternet.com (icicle.winternet.com [198.174.169.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04749 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:32:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mestery@mail.winternet.com) Received: (from adm@localhost) by icicle.winternet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09576; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:31:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from tundra.winternet.com(198.174.169.11) by icicle.winternet.com via smap (V2.0) id xma009554; Wed, 18 Nov 98 11:30:43 -0600 Received: from localhost (mestery@localhost) by tundra.winternet.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA01583; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:30:42 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: tundra.winternet.com: mestery owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:30:42 -0600 (CST) From: Kyle Mestery To: Lyndon Griffin cc: Christoph Haas , Alfred Perlstein , Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Sparc board, and clones In-Reply-To: <001101be1305$9b416130$71e2f4cd@tchaikovsky.naviant.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > My input on developing only an UltraSPARC port is this: first off, the > knowledge floating around about the Ultras is, in my experience, a lot less > quantitative than information you can find about most "plain-old-SPARC" > chips. Take into account that there is a lot of work that has already been > done on sun4* architecture, in terms of other OS's, that is either GPL or > open source - providing this project with a broad base of knowledge to > borrow and build on. Finish off with I don't have an Ultra that I can use > for development yet, so my contribution to a project that is only UltraSPARC > is going to be nil. > > I don't think it is wrong to include Ultras in the port, but I believe it is > stupidity to disclude earlier SPARCs. > You are missing the entire point, which is not to disclude older Sparcs. The point is they are essentially an entirally different port altogether than an Ultrasparc port. Look at NetBSD's recent Ultra port, it's got it's own source directory and everything. They two, while the may share some similaritires, are vastly different, and would be separate ports. So please everyone, stop complaining about supporting the older Sparcs with this port. What we have is basically two separate ports that would happen. -- Kyle Mestery StorageTek's Storage Networking Group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 09:34:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05242 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:34:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (in-ruhr.ruhr.de [141.39.224.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05215 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:34:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ch@adimus.de) Received: (from admin@localhost) by mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5) with UUCP id SAA08146; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:02:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail by mx.adimus.de with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0zgAIH-00002C-00; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:17:25 +0100 Received: from det.adimus.de(192.168.0.1) via SMTP by adimus.de, id smtpdgLSH96; Wed Nov 18 17:17:17 1998 Received: from ch by det.adimus.de with local (Exim 1.92 #1) id 0zgAI8-0001tj-00; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:17:16 +0100 To: "Lyndon Griffin" Cc: "Alfred Perlstein" , "Paolo Di Francesco" , Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones References: <001101be1305$9b416130$71e2f4cd@tchaikovsky.naviant.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Christoph Haas Date: 18 Nov 1998 17:17:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Lyndon Griffin"'s message of "Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:10:41 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Lyndon Griffin" writes: > so my contribution to a project that is only UltraSPARC > is going to be nil. Same for me. > I don't think it is wrong to include Ultras in the port, but I believe it is > stupidity to disclude earlier SPARCs. Yes, I second that. And I think we'll shoot ourselves in the foot if we go on thinking that money for Ultras to develop on grows on trees. Show me those freaks and developers that have enough money to buy a box just to hack code on it, whereas SS4 or SS5 get cheaper every day. I mean it is nice if you have a box to work on at home or at work, but it will take longer for the port to become reality if only those few people will work on it. I can't afford to buy a new board just to play with some code. I have my old SS4, it works for me and if you don't want to port to "plain-old-Sparc" - leave it. As someone said, there are alternatives. Christoph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 09:37:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05915 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:37:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.naviant.com (mail.naviant.com [207.106.77.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA05909 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:37:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lgriffin@naviant.com) Received: from tchaikovsky by mail.naviant.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA18929; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:36:43 -0500 From: "Lyndon Griffin" To: "freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: RE: Sparc board, and clones Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:38:06 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01be131a$332765d0$71e2f4cd@tchaikovsky.naviant.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That was not my point - maybe I wasn't very clear. If it takes two separate ports, then so be it. My point is, if there are going to be two separate ports, lets take the necessary measures to separate them now - for instance, create a new mailing list called freebsd-oldsparc so that those of us that are not particularly interested in the Ultra port can still be productive in our own right. <:) L -----Original Message----- From: Kyle Mestery [mailto:mestery@winternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 12:31 PM To: Lyndon Griffin Cc: Christoph Haas; Alfred Perlstein; Paolo Di Francesco; freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Sparc board, and clones You are missing the entire point, which is not to disclude older Sparcs. The point is they are essentially an entirally different port altogether than an Ultrasparc port. Look at NetBSD's recent Ultra port, it's got it's own source directory and everything. They two, while the may share some similaritires, are vastly different, and would be separate ports. So please everyone, stop complaining about supporting the older Sparcs with this port. What we have is basically two separate ports that would happen. -- Kyle Mestery StorageTek's Storage Networking Group To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 10:01:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10856 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:01:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep02-svc.tin.it (mta02-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10850 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:01:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.237.18]) by fep02-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981118180019.THGP16980.fep02-svc@winworkstation> for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:00:19 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:01:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981118180019.THGP16980.fep02-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I for one would have to agree with alfred on this one. There are a lot > of old sun's sitting out there that ppl could be using. Ov course our > decision should be within reason. I think it was a good choice to not > support anything below a 386 on the intel side. We need to draw > the line *somewhere* but IMHO just working on Ultras will kill this > project. (Especially with the price of S5's lately) I think we have to discuss this topic... Statement #1 : If we have no UltraSparc box we cannot do the port! So, I have no sparc hardware and I can try to buy an UltraSparc (if it does not cost too much), but I think we can try to do ports on Ultra, and old Sparc. For now, we can wait until we know how many Sparc and Ultra we have avaible. In the meantime we can do experiments (on old Sparc too) on booting, and we can try to separate the machine-indipendent-code from the machine-dipendent-code. When we'll have these things done we can decide if we can port on Ultra, on oldSparc, and so on... P.S. We can ask Sun Microsystem if they can sell us MotherBoards at 50% of the price... Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 10:06:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12042 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:06:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12037 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:06:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA14117; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:05:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19981118100543.X26432@nuxi.com> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:05:43 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Erik Cameron , Chuck Youse , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <98111809130300.02392@windsock.flyboy.net> <19981118090757.C6935@bsd.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981118090757.C6935@bsd.uchicago.edu>; from Erik Cameron on Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 09:07:57AM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > One kernel is insufficient if you're not releasing source code. I mean, if > we're talking about going through and isolating all of the (i386|alpha) code > out of the kernel and concentrating our rewrites on that, I don't see as how > (other than more coding) having separate sun4x and sun4u directories in the > dist would be *that* much trouble. Before going down this path, I would send a proposal to freebsd-hackers. If we want the end result merged into the CVS tree, it needs to be acceptable to the committers. (or at least the loudest ones) How does {Open,Net}BSD handle this? -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 10:07:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12149 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:07:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from jive.nacholand.com (jive.dub.net [169.197.1.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12144 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:07:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unfurl@dub.net) Received: from jive.dub.net (unfurl@jive.dub.net [169.197.1.32]) by jive.nacholand.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA02124 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:08:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from unfurl@dub.net) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:08:04 -0700 (MST) From: Unfurl X-Sender: unfurl@jive.nacholand.com To: FreeBSD-SPARC List Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Snob Art Genre wrote: > On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Chuck Youse wrote: > > > While support for sun4[mcd ] is a good thing, Kapil aptly pointed > > out that they really are a different architecture than the sun4u. > > To support both with one kernel is possible, but cumbersome at best. > > Better to separate the two. > > It's not like users of older Suns would be out in the cold -- they can > run NetBSD, and I think Linux or OpenBSD as well. > > It's also not as if coders for this project are coming out of the > woodwork. IMHO, it's better to address a smaller problem domain and > succeed than to be over-ambitious and fail. I agree now that you put it that way. It might be a good idea for us to focus on a small goal initially being that we seem to be underpowered in the coder dept. OF course I think we should also pick that small goal with the idea of expansion and transition to the other platforms in mind. The other issue that I was thinking about was that it seems like there are a lot more older sparcs out there available for development work. Just a thought. -Bill -- unfurl@dub.net - This is a munition. Fight Back! #!/bin/perl -sp0777i Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19165 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:54:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19130 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:54:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA14944; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:53:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19981118105312.Y26432@nuxi.com> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:53:12 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Lyndon Griffin , "freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <002e01be131a$332765d0$71e2f4cd@tchaikovsky.naviant.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <002e01be131a$332765d0$71e2f4cd@tchaikovsky.naviant.com>; from Lyndon Griffin on Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 12:38:06PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > create a new mailing list called freebsd-oldsparc so that those of us that > are not particularly interested in the Ultra port can still be productive in > our own right. Does that really make sense? While some parts of the kernel are different between the two, bus arch, Ethernet drivers, and basic CPU arch (e.g. register windows) are the same. Certainly the userland toolchain will share many of the same issues/problems between 32bit and 64bit Sparc. Will there be *so* much traffic on this list and those not interested in a particular issue can't just delete the message? Like was said before, lets just establish the directory layout and work from there. This is a *volunteer* project. People will work on those parts that interest them. That is fine, all sparc-lovers can work together filling in the bits w/in the source tree that the are able/want to. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 11:58:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28112 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:58:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dub-img-7.compuserve.com (dub-img-7.compuserve.com [149.174.206.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28107 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:58:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from 101355.2112@compuserve.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by dub-img-7.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.16) id OAA22224 for freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:57:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:54:13 -0500 From: Thierry Boudet <101355.2112@compuserve.com> Subject: porting an OS is fun :-) To: Free Sparc BSD Message-ID: <199811181457_MC2-5BCA-46DB@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org # # sorry, hit the wrong key # > Does that really make sense? Sorry for jumping, but I have something to say. I own two Pentium running Linux. And now I've buy a 486sx for running Minix. And I have also an old Sun 4/110. I'm thinking about porting Minix on this "venerable machine". For me, this is a long term project, starting in Feb or Mar 99. Why Minix ? my answer is "Why not ? the fun !". but, may-be we can share code. Booting an OS, cross compiling, remote debugging are common task. And I like the code from ast. May be the best way for understanding any "real OS". Best regards from France. Thierry. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 12:20:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01122 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:20:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01116 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA16569; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:19:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19981118121933.C26432@nuxi.com> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:19:33 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Thierry Boudet <101355.2112@compuserve.com> Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199811181449_MC2-60AB-2B22@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199811181449_MC2-60AB-2B22@compuserve.com>; from Thierry Boudet on Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 02:47:36PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > And I have also an old Sun 4/110. I'm thinking about porting Minix on > this "venerable machine". Minix 1.5 (or was it 1.3 or 1.4?) already runs on sun4c machines. I had the joy of using it on a SparcStation1 in a ugrad OS class. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 12:42:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03781 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:42:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from echonyc.com (echonyc.com [198.67.15.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03768 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:42:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benedict@echonyc.com) Received: from localhost by echonyc.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA16582; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:41:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:41:13 -0500 (EST) From: Snob Art Genre Reply-To: ben@rosengart.com To: Paolo Di Francesco cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones In-Reply-To: <19981118180019.THGP16980.fep02-svc@winworkstation> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > P.S. We can ask Sun Microsystem if they can sell us MotherBoards at > 50% of the price... I don't know about 50%, but I believe Chuck Youse and I can get some discount, since we work for a Sun reseller. Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 13:07:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06537 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:07:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from plaidsocks.com (c35486-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.1.70.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06531 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:07:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefan@csudsu.com) Received: from localhost (stefan@localhost) by plaidsocks.com (8.8.8/1.3.2) with SMTP id NAA26115; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:06:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefan@csudsu.com) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:06:06 -0800 (PST) From: Stefan Molnar X-Sender: stefan@c35486-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com To: Christoph Haas cc: Jason George , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Starting point? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Well, seems that we now have a point to start from. How should we go > on now ? I think we should divide things up so that we don't have to > reinvent the wheel every time we write a new piece of code. What about > a list of necessary tasks and code-chunks (have a look at the > freebsd-alpha webpages on www.freebsd.org), where everyone can pick a > task and work on it ? Well, one thing is to look at the OpenBSD code for the various devices, like the bw2, cg6, and other cards. No matter what cpu set, except the UltraAXi and other PCI based systesms, you need to get the SBus devices. I recomend OpenBSD over NetBSD, mainly Theo did a large part of the sparc port of NetBSD, so the code in OpenBSD should be more up to date. Stefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 13:20:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08522 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:20:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from plaidsocks.com (c35486-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.1.70.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08466 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:20:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefan@csudsu.com) Received: from localhost (stefan@localhost) by plaidsocks.com (8.8.8/1.3.2) with SMTP id NAA26153; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:19:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefan@csudsu.com) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:19:05 -0800 (PST) From: Stefan Molnar X-Sender: stefan@c35486-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com To: ben@rosengart.com cc: Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > P.S. We can ask Sun Microsystem if they can sell us MotherBoards at > > 50% of the price... > > I don't know about 50%, but I believe Chuck Youse and I can get some > discount, since we work for a Sun reseller. I work at sun, and I can not get that. Stefan > > > Ben > > "You have your mind on computers, it seems." > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 13:53:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13828 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:53:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13822 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:53:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11512; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:56:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:56:05 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: Kapil Chowksey cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: for a change, some code In-Reply-To: <199811180751.NAA29623@tarang.hss.hns.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org were you able to upload to ftp://zone.baldcom.net/incoming? i'd love to take a look at this work if you don't mind. Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com -- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. -- http://www.freebsd.org/ 3.0-current On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Kapil Chowksey wrote: > List, > > A while ago, I wrote some bootup code for freebsd/sparc64. It contains > the following : > > 1. A serial console driver (for zs chip) > 2. A PROM CIF library > 3. generation of hardclock() using ultrasparc's `tick_cmpr' > ASR. > 4. RAM probing code which puts this info into `phys_avail' > array expected by machine independent vm code. > 5. A pmap_bootstrap() and corresponding DTLB miss handler. > (no dirty bit and reference bit support yet) I have some > ideas about a fast optimised pmap for sun4u that can be > better than solaris or netbsd's TSB based approach. > 6. panic() > 7. support for linker sets. > 8. identification of CPU. > > All this code is written from-scratch and I can upload it to some ftp > server if someone cares. But pragmatism calls for borrowing > netbsd/sparc64 code. > > Here's an output from the kernel booting up on an ultra 1 : > > ok 4000 dload /tftpboot/kernel.aout > Boot device: /sbus/qec/be:,|tftpboot|kernel.aout File and args: > 36400 > ok go > prom_init: prom_stdout = 0xfffe8700 > prom_init: prom_root = 0xf0029588 > zs0: zsnode = 0xf005a174 > zs0: mapped at = 0xfffd8000 > cninit: best_cp is 0x436460 > zs0: zscninit() 0xfffd8004 > CPU: UltraSparc-I (manuf=0x17, impl=0x10), MAXTL=5, MAXWIN = 7 > prom ttable at 0xf0000000 > my ttable at 0x428000 > pil = 0xd, tick = 0x8000000652bf3efe, tick_cmpr = 0xfffffffffffff261 > pil = 0xd, tick = 0x00000006536e4002, tick_cmpr = 0x0000000653840c4f > (0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000007efe000) > (0x0000000007f00000, 0x0000000007f36000) > (locked) va 00000000:fffd8000 -> pa 000001ff:f1100000 > firstphys = 0x438000, avail_start = 0x38000 > PD1 = 0x0000000000438000, SELF1 = 0x8000000000038037, SELF2 = 0x800000000003a037 > firstphys = 0x43c000, avail_start = 0x3c000 > i = 0: va(0x0000000000900000) -> pa(0x0000000007f00000) > OFS=0, 1, 80 > PD2 = 0x000000000043c000, data = 0x800000000003c037 > PT = 0x000000000043e000, data = 0x800000000003e037 > data = 0x8000000007f00037 > i = 1: va(0x0000000000902000) -> pa(0x0000000007f02000) > OFS=0, 1, 81 > data = 0x8000000007f02037 > i = 2: va(0x0000000000904000) -> pa(0x0000000007f04000) > OFS=0, 1, 82 > data = 0x8000000007f04037 > i = 3: va(0x0000000000906000) -> pa(0x0000000007f06000) > OFS=0, 1, 83 > data = 0x8000000007f06037 > i = 4: va(0x0000000000908000) -> pa(0x0000000007f08000) > OFS=0, 1, 84 > data = 0x8000000007f08037 > ptbase is 0x0000000000036000 > current translations of 0000000000900000: > preparing for a miss ... 0x0000000000000000 > dtlb miss handler wrote these translations: > va 00000000:00900000 -> pa 00000000:07f00000 > current translations of 0000000000902000: > preparing for a miss ... 0x0000000000000000 > dtlb miss handler wrote these translations: > va 00000000:00902000 -> pa 00000000:07f02000 > current translations of 0000000000904000: > preparing for a miss ... 0x0000000000000000 > dtlb miss handler wrote these translations: > va 00000000:00904000 -> pa 00000000:07f04000 > current translations of 0000000000906000: > preparing for a miss ... 0x0000000000000000 > dtlb miss handler wrote these translations: > va 00000000:00906000 -> pa 00000000:07f06000 > current translations of 0000000000908000: > preparing for a miss ... 0x0000000000000000 > dtlb miss handler wrote these translations: > va 00000000:00908000 -> pa 00000000:07f08000 > current translations of 000000000090a000: > preparing for a miss ... panic: tl=1, tt=068, tpc=0x0000000000430b08 > tstate=0000004400001602 > %g1 = 0x0000000000000030 > %g2 = 0x000000000090a000 > %g3 = 0x0000000000000000 > %g4 = 0xfffffffe00000000 > %g5 = 0x800000000003e037 > %g6 = 0x0000000000036000 > %g7 = 0x0000000000000414 > Program terminated > ok > > All this is sun4u specific code. I am of the opinion that sun4u must > be a different archiecture from sun4[c,m,] etc. as far as code > organisation is concerned. Device drivers can be shared but not trap > handling, and pmap. > > So, if anyone wants first hand knowledge about the sun4u boot > sequence, compilers, sbus etc.; I will be willing to help. > > -- > Kapil Chowksey Viva GNU ! > kchowksey@hss.hns.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 14:32:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19937 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:32:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19810 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:31:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA15319; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:33:58 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199811182233.JAA15319@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: Starting point? In-Reply-To: from Stefan Molnar at "Nov 18, 98 01:06:06 pm" To: stefan@csudsu.com (Stefan Molnar) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:33:58 +1100 (EST) Cc: ch@adimus.de, jbg@masterplan.org, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stefan Molnar wrote: [..] > > Well, seems that we now have a point to start from. How should we go > > on now ? I think we should divide things up so that we don't have to > > reinvent the wheel every time we write a new piece of code. What about > > a list of necessary tasks and code-chunks (have a look at the > > freebsd-alpha webpages on www.freebsd.org), where everyone can pick a > > task and work on it ? I don't think that "everyone can pick a task and work on it". Until you have enough of the basic infrastructure for the port in place, nobody can test if the bit they're working on actually works. When I started working on the Alpha port, none of the code in the tree was 64-bit clean, so much of the effort went into fixing that. I did this using a NetBSD kernel, building FreeBSD's libc with NetBSD syscalls. This allows most of the programs to work, however the ones that couldn't were those which expected particular in-kernel support for userland tasks. I think it is worth getting cross-build tools working under FreeBSD/i386 for the target architecture that you want to build. Doug used the SimOS simulator to get the FreeBSD/Alpha kernel to work. If you don't have such a simulator for the target processor, you need a development environment where you can boot test kernels simply (you'll be doing that often!). On Alpha, bootp would have been a convenient way. Once you get a minimal kernel up with serial comms, get remote gdb to work. > Well, one thing is to look at the OpenBSD code for the various > devices, like the bw2, cg6, and other cards. No matter what cpu > set, except the UltraAXi and other PCI based systesms, you need > to get the SBus devices. I recomend OpenBSD over NetBSD, mainly > Theo did a large part of the sparc port of NetBSD, so the code in > OpenBSD should be more up to date. A word of warning about adopting code from NetBSD and OpenBSD... take care to respect the copyrights. Even though you do this, you should still expect to receive "unpleasant" email from NetBSD people (and possibly OpenBSD). They will tell you that you are just turning FreeBSD into NetBSD. But since they don't _use_ FreeBSD, they can't appreciate the ways that FreeBSD differs. With FreeBSD/Alpha core was prepared to allow me to make the Alpha changes to the tree on-the-run, provided I didn't break the i386. This prevented the code from decaying in my local tree while the source tree went on it's merry (-current) way. Continually chasing changes in the source tree is a real pain. By committing the code during the porting process, others are kept up-to-date with where you're up to, and it makes sharing code easy. Just my $0.02. I don't have any Sun machines. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 16:11:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07439 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:11:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07373 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:11:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id QAA19766; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:09:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id QAA17661; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:09:15 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id RAA01582; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:09:14 -0700 Message-ID: <365361AA.4BA262EC@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:09:14 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Molnar CC: ben@rosengart.com, Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stefan Molnar wrote: > > > > P.S. We can ask Sun Microsystem if they can sell us MotherBoards at > > > 50% of the price... > > > > I don't know about 50%, but I believe Chuck Youse and I can get some > > discount, since we work for a Sun reseller. > > I work at sun, and I can not get that. Sun's "standard" discounts for developers are 40% for anything Sun makes, and 25% on things they OEM -- like disk drives. These are from Sun list price; no other discounts apply. I think you have to join the Catalyst program to qualify for these discounts, but the discount can save you the cost of the Catalyst membership, depending on the system you buy. The discounts often do not apply to the very low- end hardware like the Ultra-5; Sun already sells these on much slimmer than normal margins. -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 16:21:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09599 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:21:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09576 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:21:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA18230; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:18:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19981118161852.E26432@nuxi.com> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:18:52 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: John Birrell , Stefan Molnar Cc: ch@adimus.de, jbg@masterplan.org, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Starting point? Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199811182233.JAA15319@cimlogic.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199811182233.JAA15319@cimlogic.com.au>; from John Birrell on Thu, Nov 19, 1998 at 09:33:58AM +1100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Doug used the SimOS simulator to get the FreeBSD/Alpha kernel to work. SimICS might be a choice for us. SimICS is an instruction-set simulator and operating system emulator (Sparc V8 + SunOS 5.x). It is a powerful tool for computer architecture research, program debugging, and performance analysis of software systems. It was presented at USENIX'98 (http://www.sics.se/simics/linux). The older homepage for SimICS is http://www.sics.se/simics/ and the newer (but more sparce) one is http://www.simics.com/. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 19:16:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA28667 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:16:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zee.computing.com (zee.computing.com [207.8.37.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA28659 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:16:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmr@computing.com) Received: from zee.computing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zee.computing.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA21578 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:15:52 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199811190315.VAA21578@zee.computing.com> To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Sparc board, and clones In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Nov 1998 05:07:25 PST." <199811181307.FAA01292@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:15:52 -0600 From: Jim Rowan Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I eventually will have some test/build machines available. I've got 24 Ross rack mount sparc plugs currently gathering dust.. (The rack is powered by 240V, and I haven't managed to find space and power for it yet.) These are essentially sparc 20 clones, intended to be network computers - they have no frame buffer. They run solaris right now.. I'd love it if I could run FreeBSD on them! Jim Rowan DCSI DCE/DFS/Sysadmin Consulting jmr@computing.com (512) 374-1143 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 21:06:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA09456 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:06:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tapti.hss.hns.com (tapti.hss.hns.com [139.85.242.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA09449 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:06:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kchowksey@hss.hns.com) Received: from tarang.hss.hns.com (tarang.hss.hns.com [139.85.242.33]) by tapti.hss.hns.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19295; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:18:53 +0530 (IST) Received: (from kchowksey@localhost) by tarang.hss.hns.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) id JAA06291; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:56:41 +0530 (IST) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:56:41 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <199811190426.JAA06291@tarang.hss.hns.com> From: Kapil Chowksey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: for a change, some code In-Reply-To: References: <199811180751.NAA29623@tarang.hss.hns.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 18 November, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > were you able to upload to ftp://zone.baldcom.net/incoming? > > i'd love to take a look at this work if you don't mind. Now that Alfred has volunteered a ftp server for FreeBSD/sparc64, the code is at ftp://zone.baldcom.net/incoming/src-981023.tar.gz I can send some gcc/binutils patches to anybody who wants to make a FreeBSD-port out of the cross compiler I am using. -- Kapil Chowksey Viva GNU ! kchowksey@hss.hns.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 21:15:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA10392 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:15:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA10386 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:15:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kurihara@rindou.Japan.Sun.COM) Received: from Japan.Sun.COM ([129.158.31.2]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id VAA16970 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:15:26 -0800 Received: from pine.Japan.Sun.COM by Japan.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-sd.fkk200) id OAA19269; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:12:34 +0900 Received: from uganju.Japan.Sun.COM by pine.Japan.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA21576; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:15:44 +0900 Received: from uganju by uganju.Japan.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA05784; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:14:55 +0900 Message-Id: <199811190514.OAA05784@uganju.Japan.Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:14:55 +0900 (JST) From: Nobuhiro Kurihara Reply-To: Nobuhiro Kurihara Subject: Re: Sparc board, and clones To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc Content-Type: text X-Sun-Text-Type: ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org AX, AXi, and AXmp from Sun Microelectronics can run Solaris. Those are Sun-4U. > Has someone Sparc clones? As reported in the faq I found some interesting link > > http://www.sun.com/microelectronics/ > for general infos. > > http://www.sun.com/microelectronics/products/axfamily.html > for the boards. > > http://www.sun.com/microelectronics/SPARCengineUltraAX > for the most interesting board in the clone market. > > Now, again : has someone one of this boards? If yes please contact me, I need > more infos (Can I run Solaris? It's _really_ 100% compatible? and so on...) I have those. (I'm selling those in Japan :-) > Comparison with a pure Sun-box? Please tell me! Those are from Sun, so pure Sun-boxes. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Nov 18 21:47:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13309 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:47:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA13300 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:47:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA12064; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:50:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:50:22 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: Kapil Chowksey cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: for a change, some code In-Reply-To: <199811190426.JAA06291@tarang.hss.hns.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know someone in israel who might do this work ( packaging it up as a port) I'll get back to you on this in a bit. I just downloaded the code you up'd going to be taking a look soon, thanks a lot. Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com -- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. -- http://www.freebsd.org/ 3.0-current On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, Kapil Chowksey wrote: > On Wed, 18 November, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > were you able to upload to ftp://zone.baldcom.net/incoming? > > > > i'd love to take a look at this work if you don't mind. > > Now that Alfred has volunteered a ftp server for FreeBSD/sparc64, the > code is at > > ftp://zone.baldcom.net/incoming/src-981023.tar.gz > > I can send some gcc/binutils patches to anybody who wants to make a > FreeBSD-port out of the cross compiler I am using. > > -- > Kapil Chowksey Viva GNU ! > kchowksey@hss.hns.com > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 00:31:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA28445 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:31:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (in-ruhr.ruhr.de [141.39.224.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA28440 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:31:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ch@adimus.de) Received: (from admin@localhost) by mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5) with UUCP id JAA01472 for freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:02:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail by mx.adimus.de with local (Exim 1.92 #1) for freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org id 0zgP1R-00003k-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:01:01 +0100 Received: from det.adimus.de(192.168.0.1) via SMTP by adimus.de, id smtpdvlrg95; Thu Nov 19 09:00:56 1998 Received: from ch by det.adimus.de with local (Exim 1.92 #1) for freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org id 0zgP1L-0000Q4-00; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:00:55 +0100 To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Intro on Sparc Asm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Christoph Haas Date: 19 Nov 1998 09:00:55 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have a book here called "PANIC!", which mainly deals with the analysis of Solaris coredumps. But it has an introduction on Sparc Assembler. It's not as detailed as a full description of the Sparc assembler, but I think it's quite usefull as a starting point. But I'm afraid it is in German. Anyone interested in a photocopy of the interesting chapters ? Greetings... Christoph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 05:44:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA01645 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 05:44:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA01640 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 05:44:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (gjp@localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA06485 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:44:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Starting point? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:06:06 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:44:04 -0500 Message-ID: <6481.911483044@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stefan Molnar wrote in message ID : > Well, one thing is to look at the OpenBSD code for the various > devices, like the bw2, cg6, and other cards. No matter what cpu > set, except the UltraAXi and other PCI based systesms, you need > to get the SBus devices. I recomend OpenBSD over NetBSD, mainly > Theo did a large part of the sparc port of NetBSD, so the code in > OpenBSD should be more up to date. This to me says that the initial development should be done on a USPARC PCI based box. Why? All that is needed is the host -> pci bridge support code, and we get a whole slew of debugged and working PCI drivers. On the other hand, going the SBUS route, we not only have to debug SBUS bridge & support code, but also the drivers to (since I can virtually guarentee they won't work out of the box) Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 06:05:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA03623 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 06:05:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sunny.bahnhof.se (sunny.bahnhof.se [193.44.91.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA03611; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 06:05:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@bahnhof.se) Received: from metro (metro.bahnhof.se [193.44.91.2]) by sunny.bahnhof.se (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA12410; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:04:20 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:04:21 +0100 (MET) From: Christopher Arnold X-Sender: chris@metro To: Gary Palmer cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Starting point? In-Reply-To: <6481.911483044@gjp.erols.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, Gary Palmer wrote: > This to me says that the initial development should be done on a USPARC PCI > based box. Why? All that is needed is the host -> pci bridge support code, and > we get a whole slew of debugged and working PCI drivers. On the other hand, > going the SBUS route, we not only have to debug SBUS bridge & support code, > but also the drivers to (since I can virtually guarentee they won't work out > of the box) > To me this makes sense, not that i don't want SBUS support (or sun4m support) but it advances the project and gives it the attention it needs. So why not go the quickest/easiest path and then move on from there. I'm quite surtain that as soon as there is some PCI based systems up and running the pressure/interest for SBUS and older architectures will increase and people will start coding. /chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 10:20:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA01633 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:20:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.naviant.com (mail.naviant.com [207.106.77.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA01626 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:20:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lgriffin@naviant.com) Received: from tchaikovsky by mail.naviant.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA28048; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:19:43 -0500 From: "Lyndon Griffin" To: Subject: RE: Starting point? Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:21:07 -0500 Message-ID: <001701be13e9$60562a80$71e2f4cd@tchaikovsky.naviant.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, Gary Palmer wrote: I'm quite surtain that as soon as there is some PCI based systems up and running the pressure/interest for SBUS and older architectures will increase and people will start coding. I'm not exactly a coder by definition, but I have a little experience. I would like to work on the VME bus code, to suit my own needs, and since nobody else seems to be stepping up to anything besides USparc-specific stuff. Hopefully, I can glean some knowledge from this list. Hopefully we can all work together on a single port that will support all SPARC platforms, since there is bound to be code that is the same/similar between all SPARC architectures. Just my 2 cents... <:) L To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 10:58:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA05565 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:58:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp1.mailsrvcs.net (smtp1.gte.net [207.115.153.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05556 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:58:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from orthoefe@gte.net) Received: from localhost (cracktown.com [208.226.218.140]) by smtp1.mailsrvcs.net with SMTP id MAA21801 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:57:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:02:06 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Orthoefer X-Sender: orthoefe@localhost To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cross compiler toolchain for the ultra? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is anybody working on getting a set of cross-tools (hosted on the i386) built? If so could you post a note about getting them built. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 11:22:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09042 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:22:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep01-svc.tin.it (mta01-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09037 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:22:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.234.85]) by fep01-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981119192158.LIKP21309.fep01-svc@winworkstation> for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:21:58 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:23:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Selecting X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981119192158.LIKP21309.fep01-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to collect data for the list of the persons who want to actively develop (write assembly code, write C code, test, coordinate) on sparc stations. If you want to develop/test/anything-else with Sparc send me a private message. Please include the following infos Name : your name Actively Dev: If you are writing code Why: why you are not writing code Sparc: if you have a sparc box Time: how much time have you? Scale 1-10 1 = No time at all, 10 = plenty of time and please tell if you want to develop for the "old-Sparc" or the UltraSparc. I'll send the message with the complete list, in the next days. Thanks. Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 13:35:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21147 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:35:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from plaidsocks.com (c35486-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com [24.1.70.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21133 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:34:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefan@csudsu.com) Received: from localhost (stefan@localhost) by plaidsocks.com (8.8.8/1.3.2) with SMTP id NAA03595; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:33:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefan@csudsu.com) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:33:46 -0800 (PST) From: Stefan Molnar X-Sender: stefan@c35486-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com To: Lyndon Griffin cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Starting point? In-Reply-To: <001701be13e9$60562a80$71e2f4cd@tchaikovsky.naviant.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just a note. Hopefully no one will even try a sun4us port. The Fujitsu sun4us machines are very very hard to port to. Mainly adviablity, and other intresting things. Stefan On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, Lyndon Griffin wrote: > On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, Gary Palmer wrote: > > I'm quite surtain that as soon as there is some PCI based systems up and > running the pressure/interest for SBUS and older architectures will > increase and people will start coding. > > > I'm not exactly a coder by definition, but I have a little experience. I > would like to work on the VME bus code, to suit my own needs, and since > nobody else seems to be stepping up to anything besides USparc-specific > stuff. Hopefully, I can glean some knowledge from this list. Hopefully we > can all work together on a single port that will support all SPARC > platforms, since there is bound to be code that is the same/similar between > all SPARC architectures. Just my 2 cents... > > <:) L > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 14:23:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA28251 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:23:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.hq.tis.com (relay.hq.tis.com [192.94.214.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA28223 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:22:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stevek@tis.com) Received: by relay.hq.tis.com; id RAA12868; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:28:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from clipper.hq.tis.com(10.33.1.2) by relay.hq.tis.com via smap (4.1) id xma012853; Thu, 19 Nov 98 17:28:21 -0500 Received: from mufasa.va.tis.com (mufasa.va.tis.com [192.168.10.18]) by clipper.hq.tis.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA06430 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (stevek@localhost) by mufasa.va.tis.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA25457 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:34:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stevek@mufasa.va.tis.com) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:34:46 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Kiernan Reply-To: Steve Kiernan To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Starting point? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, Gary Palmer wrote: > Stefan Molnar wrote in message ID > : > > Well, one thing is to look at the OpenBSD code for the various > > devices, like the bw2, cg6, and other cards. No matter what cpu > > set, except the UltraAXi and other PCI based systesms, you need > > to get the SBus devices. I recomend OpenBSD over NetBSD, mainly > > Theo did a large part of the sparc port of NetBSD, so the code in > > OpenBSD should be more up to date. > > This to me says that the initial development should be done on a USPARC PCI > based box. Why? All that is needed is the host -> pci bridge support code, and > we get a whole slew of debugged and working PCI drivers. On the other hand, > going the SBUS route, we not only have to debug SBUS bridge & support code, > but also the drivers to (since I can virtually guarentee they won't work out > of the box) True, but we need to start somewhere. I have a Sparc 5 running NetBSD at home and an Ultra 1 (currently it has Solaris 2.6 on it, but I have some spare SCSI drives I can use to hack on the FreeBSD port) that I can use for development. I've done Solaris kernel-level programming and know my fair share of Sparc asm and I have books on the Sparc processor architecture. So, I'll put myself into the pool of workers when I can. We need to get tasks split up among those who want to work on things. So, whatever is immediate, I'll dive in. -- Stephen J. Kiernan kiernasj@connix.com sab@vegamuse.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 14:38:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00252 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:38:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00247 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:38:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA21136; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:07:15 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA02847; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:06:43 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981120090643.G467@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:06:43 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Christoph Haas , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intro on Sparc Asm References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Christoph Haas on Thu, Nov 19, 1998 at 09:00:55AM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 19 November 1998 at 9:00:55 +0100, Christoph Haas wrote: > Hi, > > I have a book here called "PANIC!", which mainly deals with the > analysis of Solaris coredumps. But it has an introduction on Sparc > Assembler. It's not as detailed as a full description of the Sparc > assembler, but I think it's quite usefull as a starting point. But I'm > afraid it is in German. Anyone interested in a photocopy of the > interesting chapters ? I have it in English. It's an excellent book within the framework of the limitations (no source code availability). I suspect, though, that you could find better documentation of the assembler on the Sun web site. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 15:21:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06140 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:21:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep04-svc.tin.it (mta04-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06133 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:21:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.234.116]) by fep04-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981119231929.RADI25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:19:29 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:21:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Intro on Sparc Asm In-reply-to: <19981120090643.G467@freebie.lemis.com> References: ; from Christoph Haas on Thu, Nov 19, 1998 at 09:00:55AM +0100 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981119231929.RADI25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [I have a book here called "PANIC!"] > > I have it in English. It's an excellent book within the framework of > the limitations (no source code availability). I suspect, though, > that you could find better documentation of the assembler on the Sun > web site. > Where? Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 16:05:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12062 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:05:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12030 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:04:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA21507; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:33:56 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id KAA03239; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:33:51 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19981120103350.O467@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:33:50 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intro on Sparc Asm References: ; <19981120090643.G467@freebie.lemis.com> <19981119231929.RADI25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19981119231929.RADI25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation>; from Paolo Di Francesco on Fri, Nov 20, 1998 at 12:21:26AM +0000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 20 November 1998 at 0:21:26 +0000, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > [I have a book here called "PANIC!"] >> >> I have it in English. It's an excellent book within the framework of >> the limitations (no source code availability). I suspect, though, >> that you could find better documentation of the assembler on the Sun >> web site. > > Where? Somewhere. I did say "I suspect", not "I know". Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 16:52:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18573 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:52:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep01-svc.tin.it (mta01-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18551 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:52:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.234.108]) by fep01-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981120005153.MPRU21309.fep01-svc@winworkstation> for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:51:53 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:52:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Clones prices... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981120005153.MPRU21309.fep01-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to understand which is the "right" price of the AXi MotherBoard from Sun. So if someone has just buyied one, or if you are a reseller, please send me the prices (in US$ please). Thank you. Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 17:22:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21669 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:22:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21663 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:22:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id RAA01265; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:21:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id RAA25757; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:21:54 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id SAA13938; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:21:53 -0700 Message-ID: <3654C431.B4D6429A@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:21:53 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SPARC assembler references Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've just purchased a copy of "SPARC Architecture, Assembly Language Programming, & C" by Richard P. Paul (Prentice Hall, ISBN 0-13-876889-7). I'll be poking through it pretty extensively in the next week and a half; I'll probably write a review for Amazon. I can post the review here, too, if anyone is interested. It's expensive; Amazon wants $71 and Barnes and Noble ordered it for me at $66.75 + tax. Good thing my employer is paying for it, eh? -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 17:27:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22012 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:27:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA22005 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:27:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kurihara@rindou.Japan.Sun.COM) Received: from Japan.Sun.COM ([129.158.31.2]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id RAA16255 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:26:53 -0800 Received: from pine.Japan.Sun.COM by Japan.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-sd.fkk200) id KAA14284; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:24:00 +0900 Received: from uganju.Japan.Sun.COM by pine.Japan.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA29521; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:27:12 +0900 Received: from uganju by uganju.Japan.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA06067; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:26:22 +0900 Message-Id: <199811200126.KAA06067@uganju.Japan.Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:26:22 +0900 (JST) From: Nobuhiro Kurihara Reply-To: Nobuhiro Kurihara Subject: Re: Clones prices... To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc Content-Type: text X-Sun-Text-Type: ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org some info for AXi. > I'm trying to understand which is the "right" price of the AXi MotherBoard from > Sun. So if someone has just buyied one, or if you are a reseller, please send > me the prices (in US$ please). > Of course it is depending on volume and distribution channels, but SEUAXI-270-0B ~$1500 SPARCengine UltraAXi with 270MHz/256KB Module no RTU, no memory SEUAXI-300-0B ~$1700 SPARCengine UltraAXi with 300MHz/512KB Module no RTU, no memory SEUAXI-333-0B ~$2500 SPARCengine UltraAXi with 333MHz/2MB Module no RTU, no memory These prices are only for motherboard, don't include memory (168-pin, EDO DIMM with ECC, 60ns) and OS Right To Use. And we also need Chassis (with ATX power supply), Keyboard/mouse (Sun or PS/2), and monitor. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 17:53:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24778 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:53:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA24773 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:53:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kurihara@rindou.Japan.Sun.COM) Received: from Japan.Sun.COM ([129.158.31.2]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id RAA20944 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:53:05 -0800 Received: from pine.Japan.Sun.COM by Japan.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-sd.fkk200) id KAA16645; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:50:13 +0900 Received: from uganju.Japan.Sun.COM by pine.Japan.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA00815; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:53:25 +0900 Received: from uganju by uganju.Japan.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA06135; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:52:34 +0900 Message-Id: <199811200152.KAA06135@uganju.Japan.Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:52:34 +0900 (JST) From: Nobuhiro Kurihara Reply-To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Clones prices... To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc Content-Type: text X-Sun-Text-Type: ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:43:03 -0600 (CST) > From: Steve Price > To: Nobuhiro Kurihara > Subject: Re: Clones prices... > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Nobuhiro Kurihara wrote: > > # These prices are only for motherboard, don't include memory (168-pin, > # EDO DIMM with ECC, 60ns) and OS Right To Use. And we also need Chassis > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > What exactly does this mean? > This RTU is a right to use Solaris. For these boards, CD-ROM or any other media is not shipped with the board. If OEM has RTU they can install Solaris and use it. Media is sold as separate product. Many OEMs don't want to receive same CD-ROM sets with every single board :-) I have evil mailer setting, my previous mail may have reply-to only me.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 18:03:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25914 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:03:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA25891 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:03:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kurihara@rindou.Japan.Sun.COM) Received: from Japan.Sun.COM ([129.158.31.2]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id SAA22526 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:03:20 -0800 Received: from pine.Japan.Sun.COM by Japan.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-sd.fkk200) id LAA17481; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:00:27 +0900 Received: from uganju.Japan.Sun.COM by pine.Japan.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA01350; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:03:39 +0900 Received: from uganju by uganju.Japan.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA06141; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:02:49 +0900 Message-Id: <199811200202.LAA06141@uganju.Japan.Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:02:49 +0900 (JST) From: Nobuhiro Kurihara Reply-To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Clones prices... To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc Content-Type: text X-Sun-Text-Type: ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Of course it is depending on volume and distribution channels, but > > Only one board (for me) 8) I knew that (^^; (BTW, this is japanese version of smiley) > Hum... These prices are not competitive compared to the Intel world, but I know > it's Sun world 8( > > Another question: are they competitive compared to Sun Ultra5/10? It should be so. But I suspect Ultra5/10 may drop the price... nob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 18:14:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27022 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:14:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep01-svc.tin.it (mta01-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27008 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:14:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.234.108]) by fep01-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981120021328.MSYF21309.fep01-svc@winworkstation> for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 03:13:28 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 03:15:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Clones prices... In-reply-to: <199811200152.KAA06135@uganju.Japan.Sun.COM> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981120021328.MSYF21309.fep01-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ OS Right To Use.] > > What exactly does this mean? > > > > This RTU is a right to use Solaris. For these boards, CD-ROM or > any other media is not shipped with the board. If OEM has RTU > they can install Solaris and use it. Media is sold as separate > product. Many OEMs don't want to receive same CD-ROM sets with > every single board :-) What does this mean from the user's point of view? I'm a student so I can buy Solaris for media cost, but without RTU can I install my new (ipotetical) beautiful Solaris 2.7 on these Boards? I mean, Have I to buy something like a licence or the motherboard and Solaris is enough? Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 18:20:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27686 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:20:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep04-svc.tin.it (mta04-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27672 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:20:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.234.108]) by fep04-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981120021931.ROHI25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 03:19:31 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 03:21:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Clones prices... In-reply-to: <199811200202.LAA06141@uganju.Japan.Sun.COM> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981120021931.ROHI25684.fep04-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > > Of course it is depending on volume and distribution channels, but > > > > Only one board (for me) 8) > > I knew that (^^; (BTW, this is japanese version of smiley) > > > > Hum... These prices are not competitive compared to the Intel world, but I know > > it's Sun world 8( > > > > Another question: are they competitive compared to Sun Ultra5/10? > > It should be so. But I suspect Ultra5/10 may drop the price... > Hum.... When Will Sun publish its next list about prices? If Ultra 5/10 drop, maybe Axi drops. Right? (I hope! I'm a student and students are not rich.... 8( ) Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 18:46:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29811 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:46:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA29806 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:46:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kurihara@rindou.Japan.Sun.COM) Received: from Japan.Sun.COM ([129.158.31.2]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id SAA28756 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:46:27 -0800 Received: from pine.Japan.Sun.COM by Japan.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-sd.fkk200) id LAA20780; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:43:35 +0900 Received: from uganju.Japan.Sun.COM by pine.Japan.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA06856; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:46:47 +0900 Received: from uganju by uganju.Japan.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA06180; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:45:57 +0900 Message-Id: <199811200245.LAA06180@uganju.Japan.Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:45:57 +0900 (JST) From: Nobuhiro Kurihara Reply-To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Clones prices... To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc Content-Type: text X-Sun-Text-Type: ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Hum... These prices are not competitive compared to the Intel world, but I know > > > it's Sun world 8( > > > > > > Another question: are they competitive compared to Sun Ultra5/10? > > > > It should be so. But I suspect Ultra5/10 may drop the price... > > > > Hum.... When Will Sun publish its next list about prices? If Ultra 5/10 drop, > maybe Axi drops. Right? > > (I hope! I'm a student and students are not rich.... 8( ) Not only student can mean "not rich" Please don't ask me about price :-) Actually, the price is changing so often, I can show only a snapshot. (And, I'm not a sales person) > > This RTU is a right to use Solaris. For these boards, CD-ROM or > > any other media is not shipped with the board. If OEM has RTU > > they can install Solaris and use it. Media is sold as separate > > product. Many OEMs don't want to receive same CD-ROM sets with > > every single board :-) > > What does this mean from the user's point of view? I'm a student so I can buy > Solaris for media cost, but without RTU can I install my new > (ipotetical) beautiful Solaris 2.7 on these Boards? I mean, Have I to buy > something like a licence or the motherboard and Solaris is enough? Legally speaking, if your media doesn't come with RTU, you cannot. The licensing/product matrix is complex enough to be confused. But, there's a hope for non-commercial Solaris users, I believe you can get FREE from Sun. Please refer: http://www.sun.com/developers/promofaq.html nob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 19:50:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04927 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:50:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from susanna.deranged.schneider.org (susanna.deranged.schneider.org [207.126.69.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA04920 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:50:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rik@deranged.schneider.org) Received: from localhost (rik@localhost) by susanna.deranged.schneider.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA16914 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:48:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rik@deranged.schneider.org) X-Authentication-Warning: susanna.deranged.schneider.org: rik owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:48:58 -0800 (PST) From: Rik Schneider To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SPARC Reference on the web Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I found a starting point for a SPARC Doc search on the web. This is a link page from Bruce Ediger. http://www.csn.net/~bediger/sparc.tech.links.html Some of the links are broken but it does provide a starting place. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 20:31:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA09418 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:31:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA09404 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 20:31:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA06195; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:31:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <3654F092.738ED4B5@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 21:31:14 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr llc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paolo Di Francesco CC: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Clones prices... References: <19981120021328.MSYF21309.fep01-svc@winworkstation> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > > [ OS Right To Use.] > > > What exactly does this mean? > > > > > > > This RTU is a right to use Solaris. For these boards, CD-ROM or > > any other media is not shipped with the board. If OEM has RTU > > they can install Solaris and use it. Media is sold as separate > > product. Many OEMs don't want to receive same CD-ROM sets with > > every single board :-) > > What does this mean from the user's point of view? I'm a student so I can buy > Solaris for media cost, but without RTU can I install my new > (ipotetical) beautiful Solaris 2.7 on these Boards? I mean, Have I to buy > something like a licence or the motherboard and Solaris is enough? No, the "Free Solaris" offer *IS* an RTU license. Plus you have to pay $10 + shipping for the media. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 22:35:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA22746 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:35:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from brooklyn.slack.net (brooklyn.slack.net [206.41.21.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22740 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:35:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfm@brooklyn.slack.net) Received: from localhost (pfm@localhost) by brooklyn.slack.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA09030 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:36:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:36:51 -0500 (EST) From: Patrick McAndrew To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Online Sparc Assembly Tutorial Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A friend of mine found these documents and sent me a tarball of them. They seem to give a really good indepth lesson of Sparc assembler. http://brooklyn.slack.net/~pfm/sparc_asm/ Also on another note, my employer has several unused ultra class machines that I might be able to get ahold of for testing purposes and development. I also have a Sparc 5 to use as well. I'll talk to my manger in the morning to see if it is possible to allocated one of these Ultra's (U 1 170's, 200's and afew Ultra 2's). I can help with userland programming and some device driver stuff, but my kernel level knowledge has been slightly decreasing over the months :( Cheers, Patrick McAndrew pfm@slack.net pmcandre@bbnplanet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Nov 19 23:50:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA29660 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:50:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bright.fx.genx.net (bright.fx.genx.net [206.64.4.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA29655 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:50:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by bright.fx.genx.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA21392; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 02:53:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bright@hotjobs.com) X-Authentication-Warning: bright.fx.genx.net: bright owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 02:53:25 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein X-Sender: bright@bright.fx.genx.net To: Patrick McAndrew cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Online Sparc Assembly Tutorial In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org beautiful, thank you very much. Alfred Perlstein - Programmer, HotJobs Inc. - www.hotjobs.com -- There are operating systems, and then there's FreeBSD. -- http://www.freebsd.org/ 3.0-current On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Patrick McAndrew wrote: > > A friend of mine found these documents and sent me a tarball of them. They > seem to give a really good indepth lesson of Sparc assembler. > > http://brooklyn.slack.net/~pfm/sparc_asm/ > > Also on another note, my employer has several unused ultra class machines > that I might be able to get ahold of for testing purposes and development. > I also have a Sparc 5 to use as well. I'll talk to my manger in the > morning to see if it is possible to allocated one of these Ultra's (U 1 > 170's, 200's and afew Ultra 2's). I can help with userland programming and > some device driver stuff, but my kernel level knowledge has been slightly > decreasing over the months :( > > > Cheers, > > Patrick McAndrew > pfm@slack.net > pmcandre@bbnplanet.com > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Nov 20 05:38:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03227 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 05:38:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep01-svc.tin.it (mta01-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03221 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 05:38:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.236.118]) by fep01-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981120133755.OPSK21309.fep01-svc@winworkstation> for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:37:55 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 14:39:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Emulators, and Simulators X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981120133755.OPSK21309.fep01-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, nice links boys, but if you have a good internet connection and you can surf on the web, can you look for Emulators and Simulators of Sparc CPU/Plattform on other platforms (Intel?)? How will this help us? I think we can simulate many thing, and maybe we can develop faster the kernel. The main problem, when you develop Kernel is that teorically you should use 2 Sparc, one for booting and using the kernel and the second one to monitor the firt one. If we have the Emulators/Simulators we can speed up this process.... Another idea: someone ad Sun can tell us if they use two machine to develop kernel, and how to do this? Can we use an Intel box to monitor via the OBP and a serial port? Can we do the memory dump of a "dead" UltraSparc when it does not boot correctly? How to implement a mechanism which dump the memory "somewhere" when we have a kernel panic? These are questions that can help us very much... Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Nov 20 19:58:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04504 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:58:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA04498 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:58:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kurihara@rindou.Japan.Sun.COM) Received: from Japan.Sun.COM ([129.158.31.2]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id TAA15186 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 19:58:18 -0800 Received: from pine.Japan.Sun.COM by Japan.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-sd.fkk200) id MAA19942; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:55:24 +0900 Received: from uganju.Japan.Sun.COM by pine.Japan.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA03703; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:58:37 +0900 Received: from uganju by uganju.Japan.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA00996; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:57:46 +0900 Message-Id: <199811210357.MAA00996@uganju.Japan.Sun.COM> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 12:57:46 +0900 (JST) From: Nobuhiro Kurihara Reply-To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Emulators, and Simulators To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc Content-Type: text X-Sun-Text-Type: ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Some people use SPARC simulator on SPARC. But I don't think it can be used without appropriate licensing. (And it should cost) > Ok, nice links boys, but if you have a good internet connection and you can > surf on the web, can you look for Emulators and Simulators of Sparc > CPU/Plattform on other platforms (Intel?)? > > How will this help us? I think we can simulate many thing, and maybe we can > develop faster the kernel. The main problem, when you develop Kernel is that > teorically you should use 2 Sparc, one for booting and using the kernel and the > second one to monitor the firt one. > > If we have the Emulators/Simulators we can speed up this process.... > > Another idea: someone ad Sun can tell us if they use two machine to develop > kernel, and how to do this? > Can we use an Intel box to monitor via the OBP and a serial port? Can we do the > memory dump of a "dead" UltraSparc when it does not boot correctly? > How to implement a mechanism which dump the memory "somewhere" when we have a > kernel panic? Basically, through OBP you can access memory and registers. nob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sat Nov 21 05:19:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA11700 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 05:19:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fep02-svc.tin.it (mta02-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA11695 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 05:19:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.237.37]) by fep02-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981121131828.HHYT16980.fep02-svc@winworkstation> for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:18:28 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 14:20:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Emulators, and Simulators In-reply-to: <199811210357.MAA00996@uganju.Japan.Sun.COM> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981121131828.HHYT16980.fep02-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Some people use SPARC simulator on SPARC. But I don't think it > can be used without appropriate licensing. (And it should cost) > Product name? And can this product help us, in the kernel development? Does it emulate everything or the CPU only? > Basically, through OBP you can access memory and registers. Can I access memory when the kernel panics? This could be usefull... Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sat Nov 21 10:26:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA06238 for freebsd-sparc-outgoing; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:26:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06233 for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:26:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA24101; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:25:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19981121102543.A24015@nuxi.com> Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 10:25:43 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Paolo Di Francesco Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Emulators, and Simulators Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <19981120133755.OPSK21309.fep01-svc@winworkstation> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19981120133755.OPSK21309.fep01-svc@winworkstation>; from Paolo Di Francesco on Fri, Nov 20, 1998 at 02:39:54PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This from a friend that has done kernel work at Sun and Auspex on SunOS (he currently does kernel work on HP-UX where he uses simular techniques, and is now playing with {Open,Net}BSD) > Another idea: someone ad Sun can tell us if they use two machine to develop > kernel, and how to do this? Use kgdb. All of the BSD's have it, but I've found the OpenBSD version to be incomplete. I'm using the NetBSD version to fill in the pieces. One of the the kernel hackers that I worked with a Sun did the NetBSD version and it was brought over to OpenBSD. Not sure why it all isn't in OpenBSD. > Can we use an Intel box to monitor via the OBP and a serial port? There is a kgdb <--> OBP interface but my experience at Auspex with a similar one leads me to recommend to just use OBP to debug the kgdb stub. > Can we do the memory dump of a "dead" UltraSparc when it does not boot > correctly? kgdb can handle this. > How to implement a mechanism which dump the memory "somewhere" when we > have a kernel panic? Forget about dumping memory. Just start with a simple kgdb stub, get it solid, and build up a solid kernel from there. Once you have a serial interface working with kgdb you can consider getting fancy and using a Ethernet interface and really fly. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message