From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 19 11:25:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10222 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:25:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bsampley.vip.best.com (bsampley.vip.best.com [206.184.160.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10091 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 18:24:44 GMT (envelope-from bsampley@best.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.vip.best.com [127.0.0.1]) by bsampley.vip.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA00291 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:15:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsampley@best.com) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:15:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Burton Sampley X-Sender: bsampley@bsampley.vip.best.com To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: pine dumps core under -stable Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-672753157-893009710=:240" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-672753157-893009710=:240 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Greetings, I'm running -stable (last cvsup'd about 2 days ago). Pine 3.96 built from the ports collection under my current -stable kernel core dumps claiming 'Not Enough free memory' when ever I try to open a large 'folder' like: bsampley users 21211890 Apr 19 10:40 ./Mail/questions-incoming This is the folder where procmail saves all my incoming mail from - -questions. I have other 'folders' which are around ~10 meg that pine can open without core-dumping. I've attached .pine-debug1 from the most recent core-dump. My system currently has 128meg of RAM. The kernel was compiled immediately after cvsuping and completion of 'make world'. In my kernel config file I have commented out all the hardware I don't have and increased the number of max users up to 20. I'm fairly confident I'm not out of memory, but I simply hit the process limit. Is there any way to increase the maximum amount of memory a process can use? BTW, while running X I can open the actual file with vi and according to TOP I still having 53meg free. Any suggestions? If you need more info about my system, please email me and I'll send to you. Thanks in advance. - -burton- Oh, BTW, I tried to search the www archives for this topic, but I received a response that the archives were not available. - --------------- Burton Sampley bsampley@best.com or bsampley@haywire.csuhayward.edu PGP key available at http://www.best.com/~bsampley/pgp.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNTo/Pnt2O8KJtMdBAQGB+QP+IOdZ6qtFqo9rl16vvOFewh/uc4LLE0p0 93HYD/IZpuQFHA4Oq9aWcjrVs05v2IW0uoGG7AOx2P6bFjso7bzpjFue5r/uu/ot hLTznHmJe3EvsAFv2ouaWxEOapM8GlO6I5jOpkHaYoZWIhFyJL9Nski5mAaB96zj 89JG11JsQdk= =QSgD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0-672753157-893009710=:240 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name=".pine-debug1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: RGVidWcgb3V0cHV0IG9mIHRoZSBQaW5lIHByb2dyYW0gKGF0IGRlYnVnIGxl dmVsIDkpLiAgVmVyc2lvbiAzLjk2DQpTdW4gQXByIDE5IDEwOjQwOjIyIDE5 OTgNCg0KcmVhZGluZ19waW5lcmMgIi91c3IvbG9jYWwvZXRjL3BpbmUuY29u ZiINCk9wZW4gZmFpbGVkOiBObyBzdWNoIGZpbGUgb3IgZGlyZWN0b3J5DQpy 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19 Apr 1998 17:20:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Burton Sampley X-Sender: bsampley@bsampley.vip.best.com Reply-To: Burton Sampley To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pine dumps core under -stable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Thanks for the help. A number of people have responded to check /etc/login.conf for per user limits. Somehow I don't think that is the problem since I *can* open the same file that causes Pine to blow up in VI wihtout VI dumping core. I tried changing all values for memory in the default section to inifinity and then logging out and back in, I still get the same results. Any other suggestions I have used Pine to open larger files at work on Solaris 2.X (on Sparc 5's) without any problems. - -burton- - --------------- Burton Sampley bsampley@best.com or bsampley@haywire.csuhayward.edu PGP key available at http://www.best.com/~bsampley/pgp.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNTqU1nt2O8KJtMdBAQFqdAP+OSYiSBC4ia9dUePCfdUBl1bqJABMlRvK XpXGkSCsJTiFEaVt6KjIjOZ04HrnfUtkx9CKiTmCglEhHYE5TxPM8Xu/227Aj7gN fibCj41gfvT5nMvh9pM+vj4F+Yi+Kil95LKi5M8a8MzxaPGcrlI77cJ5YtLc5g8K vaQD983nNNc= =qqz/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 19 17:31:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22080 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:31:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cesit1.unifi.it (cesit1.unifi.it [150.217.1.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA22041 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:31:11 GMT (envelope-from ugo@dsi.UNIFI.IT) Received: from aguirre.dsi.unifi.it by CESIT1.UNIFI.IT (PMDF V5.1-10 #23168) with SMTP id <01IW2R7KDD36000FA9@CESIT1.UNIFI.IT> for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 02:31:38 MET Received: from dsi.unifi.it (com2.unifi.it) by aguirre.dsi.unifi.it (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03697; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 02:33:04 +0200 Received: from pegasus.home.net (pegasus.home.net [192.168.1.3]) by dsi.unifi.it (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07799 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:05:42 +0200 (MET DST envelope-from ugo) Received: (from ugo@localhost) by pegasus.home.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id QAA00358 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:05:42 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:05:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ugo Paternostro Subject: How to detect obsolete files after a make world? To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: Organization: Not an organization MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [Well, this applies to -current too, but I post here as I run -stable] Is there a way to detect obsolete files/shared libs after a make world other than manually scanning the directories looking for files that do not match the make world date? Every time a so version number is bumped, you end with an old copy of the library in /usr/lib, and every time a program is removed (like lfs some time ago, or sgml tools a lot of time ago) you still retain that copy. Tell me it is possible without "newfs && make reinstall": that's the MircoSoft way :-) What about a very dangerous use of "find / -type f \! -mtime 1 -delete", or similar? ;-) Bye, UP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 19 19:49:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA18739 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:49:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles224.castles.com [208.214.165.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18564 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 02:48:39 GMT (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA03575; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804200246.TAA03575@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Burton Sampley cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pine dumps core under -stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:20:31 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:46:02 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Thanks for the help. A number of people have responded to check > /etc/login.conf for per user limits. Somehow I don't think that is the > problem since I *can* open the same file that causes Pine to blow up in VI > wihtout VI dumping core. I tried changing all values for memory in the > default section to inifinity and then logging out and back in, I still get > the same results. Your naivete is touching. Let me upset you by observing that Pine is not a text editor, and does not treat files in the same fashion as such a device does. Pine is known to interact extremely poorly with the FreeBSD malloc() (a fault in pine), and this manifests as excessive memory consumption when it comes to reading large mailboxes. Increasing the soft limits in login.conf won't increase the hard limits, which is what pine is running into. To put it simply - if you want to work with large mailboxes, use a better mailreader. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 19 20:15:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA25049 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:15:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [209.150.92.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA24990 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 03:15:40 GMT (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: from localhost (shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA13447; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:13:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Shawn Ramsey To: Mike Smith cc: Burton Sampley , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pine dumps core under -stable In-Reply-To: <199804200246.TAA03575@antipodes.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Your naivete is touching. Let me upset you by observing that Pine is > not a text editor, and does not treat files in the same fashion as such > a device does. > > Pine is known to interact extremely poorly with the FreeBSD malloc() (a > fault in pine), and this manifests as excessive memory consumption when > it comes to reading large mailboxes. > > Increasing the soft limits in login.conf won't increase the hard > limits, which is what pine is running into. > > To put it simply - if you want to work with large mailboxes, use a > better mailreader. Have any suggestions? Pine begins to bog really bad on this machine at about 2000-3000 messages.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 19 20:38:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA00608 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:38:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from odyssey.apana.org.au (odyssey.apana.org.au [203.11.114.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA00532 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 03:38:13 GMT (envelope-from dean@odyssey.apana.org.au) Received: from localhost (dean@localhost) by odyssey.apana.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA13355; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:32:12 +0800 (WST) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:32:12 +0800 (WST) From: Dean Hollister To: Shawn Ramsey cc: Mike Smith , Burton Sampley , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pine dumps core under -stable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > Have any suggestions? Pine begins to bog really bad on this machine at > about 2000-3000 messages.... Yeah. It also doesn't like large attachments 10Mb+. Yet elm has not trouble. Regards, d. +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Dean Hollister, | dean@odyssey.apana.org.au | | Perth, Western Australia. | deanh@iinet.net.au | +-------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 19 20:59:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06337 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:59:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [209.150.92.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA06329 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 03:59:41 GMT (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: from localhost (shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA29565; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:57:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Shawn Ramsey To: Dean Hollister cc: Mike Smith , Burton Sampley , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pine dumps core under -stable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Have any suggestions? Pine begins to bog really bad on this machine at > > about 2000-3000 messages.... > > Yeah. It also doesn't like large attachments 10Mb+. Yet elm has not > trouble. Its been awhile since i've used ELM. Maybe I'll give it a try... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 19 21:27:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13261 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:27:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.atipa.com (altrox.atipa.com [208.128.22.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA13219 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 04:27:29 GMT (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail 26054 invoked by uid 1017); 20 Apr 1998 03:24:51 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:24:51 -0600 (MDT) From: Atipa To: Shawn Ramsey cc: Mike Smith , Burton Sampley , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pine dumps core under -stable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk try procmail. It hits you harder or disk IO, but is MUCH nicer on RAM and CPU. You can sort really well with it. Kevin On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > > Your naivete is touching. Let me upset you by observing that Pine is > > not a text editor, and does not treat files in the same fashion as such > > a device does. > > > > Pine is known to interact extremely poorly with the FreeBSD malloc() (a > > fault in pine), and this manifests as excessive memory consumption when > > it comes to reading large mailboxes. > > > > Increasing the soft limits in login.conf won't increase the hard > > limits, which is what pine is running into. > > > > To put it simply - if you want to work with large mailboxes, use a > > better mailreader. > > Have any suggestions? Pine begins to bog really bad on this machine at > about 2000-3000 messages.... > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 19 21:31:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA14553 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:31:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles147.castles.com [208.214.165.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA14504 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 04:30:36 GMT (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03867; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804200427.VAA03867@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Shawn Ramsey cc: Mike Smith , Burton Sampley , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pine dumps core under -stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:13:30 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:27:20 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Increasing the soft limits in login.conf won't increase the hard > > limits, which is what pine is running into. > > > > To put it simply - if you want to work with large mailboxes, use a > > better mailreader. > > Have any suggestions? Pine begins to bog really bad on this machine at > about 2000-3000 messages.... Mutt has a large, loyal following. I use exmh, and regularly visit my sent folder which I rotate at the 10000 message mark (~6 months). My inbox is at 9947 messages (651 live), and this is all quite usable on a 16M P133 with a sloooow disk. Prior to this I used to use elm, which is OK except when it eats your inbox. 8( -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 19 21:43:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17937 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:43:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from parsons.rh.rit.edu (root@d117-h041.rh.rit.edu [129.21.117.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA17881 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 04:43:23 GMT (envelope-from mfisher@harborcom.net) Received: from mfisher by parsons.rh.rit.edu with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yR8ON-00071B-00; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:41:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:41:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Fisher X-Sender: mfisher@d117-h041.rh.rit.edu Reply-To: Mike Fisher To: Dean Hollister cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pine dumps core under -stable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Dean Hollister wrote: > Yeah. It also doesn't like large attachments 10Mb+. Yet elm has not > trouble. Are you reading the mail via IMAP or locally (NFS)? IMHO, if you are reading large attachments (that will possibly exceed user resource limits) then it is more of a problem from your philosophy than Pine. In either case, I don't see this as a -stable issue as it would probably be better handled by the UW people or by the -ports people. -- Mike "I swear - by my life and by my love of it - that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." --Ayn Rand, _Atlas Shrugged_ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 19 21:55:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21110 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:55:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from beast.FreibergNet.de (beast.freibergnet.de [194.123.255.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA20864 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 04:54:46 GMT (envelope-from mw@freibergnet.de) Received: from beast.FreibergNet.de (localhost.FreibergNet.de [127.0.0.1]) by beast.FreibergNet.de (8.8.5/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA02772; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 06:54:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mw@freibergnet.de) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 06:54:18 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: mw@freibergnet.de Organization: FreibergNet Liebscher & Partner Werbeagentur und XLink-PoP Freiberg From: Martin Welk To: The Hermit Hacker Subject: Re: Linux And FreeBSD Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, lrios , Wes Peters - Softweyr LLC Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 16-Apr-98 The Hermit Hacker wrote: () Not completely accurate...I've had a bugger of a time with my () -stable box and crashes, yet my ASYNC mounted drives have *yet* to cause () me any grief. I don't do it on anything i consider to be critical, so () just use it for news, but my history file is mounted async, and I () imagine () I would notice corruption very quickly in that... I do the same, mounting /var/tmp and /var/news on a separate disk async. Until the system is running normally and shut down regularly, I have experienced no problems. I don't experience difficulties either mounting /usr async doing compiles in /usr/src. But on power failure, I have one time lost my file /var/tmp when there was heavy disk activity. For /var/tmp, that's no problem, newfs is your friend. For /var/news, it's not totally the same, but as I run a single-user leaf site, I have no problem to deal with that risk. At work, on "production machines", I don't use async mounts. Regards, Martin -- Liebscher & Partner Werbeagentur GbR // Martin Welk Advertising, Art Design & DTP // network administration Xlink Point Of Presence Freiberg // phone: (+49|0) 3731 781-387 Am St. Niclas Schacht 13 // fax: (+49|0) 3731 781-377 D-09599 Freiberg, Germany // http://www.freibergnet.de/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 19 22:07:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA25410 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:07:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA25323 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 05:07:27 GMT (envelope-from berend@pobox.com) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:06:52 -0400 Received: from auke.deboer (ld39-041.lon.compuserve.com [195.232.21.41]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with ESMTP id BAA16856; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bmach (bmach.deboer [192.168.33.3]) by auke.deboer (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA16594; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:11:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from berend@pobox.com) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:11:16 +0200 Message-ID: <01BD6B0E.863498B0.berend@pobox.com> From: Berend de Boer To: "'Mike Smith'" Cc: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: best sd0 flags ? (was wdc0) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:11:14 +0200 Organization: NederWare X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Saturday, April 18, 1998 6:46 PM, Mike Smith [SMTP:mike@smith.net.au] wrote: > We've been duplicating 3GB Western Digital disks the last few days under > 2.2.6, flags 0x80ff80ff on 166MHz P5/430TX boards, and averaging about > 5M/sec throughput. Try 'dd if=/dev/wd1 of=/dev/null bs=1m' to get an > idea of your raw disk speed as opposed to filesystem throughput. Hmm, something is seriously wrong here it seems. I've a Pentium II, 233MHz, 128MB, Adaptec Ultra Wide SCSI and SCSI 2 4GB IBM drive. Using the above code I get an average of 2MB. Is there something seriously wrong with this system? And how can I tune it? I've compiled a custom kernel with P686 enabled and removed some devices. That's all I did. Groetjes, Berend. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 19 22:23:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00722 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:23:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from trinity.radio-do.de (trinity.Radio-do.de [193.101.164.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA00649 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 05:22:59 GMT (envelope-from fn@trinity.radio-do.de) Received: (from fn@localhost) by trinity.radio-do.de (8.8.8/8.8.5/RADIO-1.1) id HAA25486; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:22:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Frank Nobis Message-Id: <199804200522.HAA25486@trinity.radio-do.de> Subject: Re: How to detect obsolete files after a make world? In-Reply-To: from Ugo Paternostro at "Apr 19, 98 04:05:42 pm" To: paterno@dsi.UNIFI.IT (Ugo Paternostro) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:22:44 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > [Well, this applies to -current too, but I post here as I run -stable] > > Is there a way to detect obsolete files/shared libs after a make world other > than manually scanning the directories looking for files that do not match the > make world date? > > Every time a so version number is bumped, you end with an old copy of the > library in /usr/lib, and every time a program is removed (like lfs some time > ago, or sgml tools a lot of time ago) you still retain that copy. > > Tell me it is possible without "newfs && make reinstall": that's the MircoSoft > way :-) > > What about a very dangerous use of "find / -type f \! -mtime 1 -delete", or > similar? ;-) This would for sure clear your /usr/local tree :-) Btw. there are shared libs under /usr/lib that are there from previous builds or from binaries linked against older shared libs, so they are neccessary. One could traverse the filesystem, take all the executables, do something like `find / -print |xargs ldd| sort -u` to get all the libraries in use and remove all others. Regards Frank To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 19 22:34:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03525 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:34:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles147.castles.com [208.214.165.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03490 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 05:34:24 GMT (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04185; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804200531.WAA04185@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Berend de Boer cc: "'Mike Smith'" , "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: best sd0 flags ? (was wdc0) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:11:14 +0200." <01BD6B0E.863498B0.berend@pobox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:31:37 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > On Saturday, April 18, 1998 6:46 PM, Mike Smith [SMTP:mike@smith.net.au] > wrote: > > > > We've been duplicating 3GB Western Digital disks the last few days under > > 2.2.6, flags 0x80ff80ff on 166MHz P5/430TX boards, and averaging about > > 5M/sec throughput. Try 'dd if=/dev/wd1 of=/dev/null bs=1m' to get an > > idea of your raw disk speed as opposed to filesystem throughput. > > Hmm, something is seriously wrong here it seems. I've a Pentium II, 233MHz, > 128MB, Adaptec Ultra Wide SCSI and SCSI 2 4GB IBM drive. Using the above > code I get an average of 2MB. Is there something seriously wrong with this > system? And how can I tune it? As Bruce mentioned, you should use the raw device: azaria# dd if=/dev/sd1 of=/dev/null bs=1m count=20 20+0 records in 20+0 records out 20971520 bytes transferred in 9.182458 secs (2283868 bytes/sec) azaria# dd if=/dev/rsd1 of=/dev/null bs=1m count=20 20+0 records in 20+0 records out 20971520 bytes transferred in 2.571084 secs (8156684 bytes/sec) for a similar configuration (DCAS34330UW, PII/337, AHA2940UW) -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 19 23:02:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09190 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:02:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA09162 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 06:02:21 GMT (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17712; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:02:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Message-ID: <353AE4E4.A8169BC5@san.rr.com> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:02:12 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jose Marques CC: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Build question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jose Marques wrote: > > I currently have a single "master" machine on which I run CVSup to follow > "FreeBSD-stable". I use this master machine to update a number of > "client" machines on which I do not run CVSup or maintain source. I have > followed the instructions in the handbook on how to do this and it works > quite well apart from one problem. > > I find that in order to run "make installworld" on the client PCs I need > to exporte the "/usr/obj/" and "/usr/src" filesystems on the master > read/write with "-maproot=root:wheel". If I don't I get build errors. Is > this the best I can do or am I missing something obvious. Can I build my > client machines with read-only access to the required filesystems. Since no one more knowledgeable answered, I'll give it a shot. My understanding is that you must mount both /usr/obj and /usr/src, although /usr/src should not need to be mounted with write access. Basically, if what you have works, be happy. :) Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud designer and maintainer of the world's largest Internet *** Relay Chat server with 5,328 simultaneous connections. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 01:01:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00170 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:01:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA00163; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:01:27 GMT (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA18491; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:01:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Message-ID: <353B00D0.9A7A03F8@san.rr.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:01:20 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Burr CC: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: best wdc0 flags ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Donald Burr wrote: > The best combination of flags is 0x80ff, this will turn on 32-bit > transfers and will do multi-block up to the maximum that is supported by > the drive. I tried those flags and noticed that it turned on 32-bit transfers for my wd0, resulting in a 20% increase in throughput. Out of curiosity, why aren't these flags included in GENERIC? Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud designer and maintainer of the world's largest Internet *** Relay Chat server with 5,328 simultaneous connections. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 01:30:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA06213 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:30:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06171; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:30:25 GMT (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA15511; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:27:45 +1000 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:27:45 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199804200827.SAA15511@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: dburr@POBoxes.com, Studded@san.rr.com Subject: Re: best wdc0 flags ? Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I tried those flags and noticed that it turned on 32-bit transfers for >my wd0, resulting in a 20% increase in throughput. Out of curiosity, why >aren't these flags included in GENERIC? Becuase they break operation of drives that don't support them. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 03:40:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA25812 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 03:40:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from internationalschool.co.uk (intschool.easynet.co.uk [194.72.37.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25803 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:40:46 GMT (envelope-from stuart@internationalschool.co.uk) Received: from internationalschool.co.uk (bamboo.tis [10.0.0.70]) by internationalschool.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05812 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:33:22 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <353B2476.45E1C8B9@internationalschool.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:33:26 +0100 From: Stuart Henderson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: best wdc0 flags ? References: <19980418023307.34709@vmunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Mark Mayo wrote: > > Hi. I just put a shiney new IDE (Ultra33) drive in a machine, and > I'm wondering what the best flags to use for the drive are.. I realize > that I can't get DMA on -STABLE (cvsupping right now), but with the > default LINT flags of: LINT still says # NB: ``Enhanced IDE'' is NOT supported at this time. surely this is old by now? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 03:48:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA26846 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 03:48:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obsidian.noc.dfn.de (obsidian.noc.dfn.de [193.174.247.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26784 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:47:45 GMT (envelope-from schweikh@obsidian.noc.dfn.de) Received: (from schweikh@localhost) by obsidian.noc.dfn.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA27087 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:47:12 +0200 (MET DST) From: Jens Schweikhardt Message-Id: <199804201047.MAA27087@obsidian.noc.dfn.de> Subject: make world newbie: how to build not in /usr/src To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:47:11 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk hello, world\n when I run make in /usr/src I get warnings that the object directory has not been changed. Apart from that, /usr/src isn't big enough to hold all compilation results. I've read all the READMEs I could find in /usr/src but it seems I'm missing the obvious. If someone could clue me in on how to compile with a readonly /usr/src... Thanks a bunch. Regards, -- Jens Schweikhardt http://www.shuttle.de/schweikh/ SIGSIG -- signature too long (core dumped) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 04:14:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA01778 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 04:14:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c243.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01749 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:14:16 GMT (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA18086; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:13:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Burton Sampley cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: pine dumps core under -stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:20:31 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:13:57 -0400 Message-ID: <18082.893070837@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Burton Sampley wrote in message ID : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Thanks for the help. A number of people have responded to check > /etc/login.conf for per user limits. Somehow I don't think that is the > problem since I *can* open the same file that causes Pine to blow up in VI > wihtout VI dumping core. I tried changing all values for memory in the > default section to inifinity and then logging out and back in, I still get > the same results. Opening the file with vi is not a good indication. pine does some weird stuff with MIME encoded messages which means it uses more memory than vi does with your average, modern, mail box. You may want to try typing `unlimit' before starting pine, see if that helps... Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 04:19:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA02466 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 04:19:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [194.93.177.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02444 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:19:00 GMT (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27786; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:18:50 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Message-ID: <19980420141850.A27699@ucb.crimea.ua> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:18:50 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world newbie: how to build not in /usr/src Mail-Followup-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199804201047.MAA27087@obsidian.noc.dfn.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i In-Reply-To: <199804201047.MAA27087@obsidian.noc.dfn.de>; from Jens Schweikhardt on Mon, Apr 20, 1998 at 12:47:11PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, Apr 20, 1998 at 12:47:11PM +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote: > hello, world\n > > when I run make in /usr/src I get warnings that the object directory > has not been changed. Apart from that, /usr/src isn't big enough to > hold all compilation results. I've read all the READMEs I could find > in /usr/src but it seems I'm missing the obvious. If someone could > clue me in on how to compile with a readonly /usr/src... > > Thanks a bunch. Why are you running ``make'' in /usr/src? Read the head of /usr/src/Makefile for the list of user-driven targets. Anyway, according to /usr/share/mk/bsd.obj.mk ``obj'' target will create build directory in /usr/obj. Regards, -- Ruslan Ermilov System Administrator ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank +380-652-247647 Simferopol, Crimea 2426679 ICQ Network, UIN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 07:50:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05199 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:50:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (ver2-71.uninet.net.mx [200.38.135.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04535 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:48:23 GMT (envelope-from eculp@ver1.telmex.net.mx) Received: from sunix (telmex@sunix.mexcom.net [206.103.64.3]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA18063; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:45:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <353B616F.107382F0@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:53:35 -0500 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Studded CC: Jose Marques , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Build question References: <353AE4E4.A8169BC5@san.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Studded wrote: > > Jose Marques wrote: > > > > I currently have a single "master" machine on which I run CVSup to follow > > "FreeBSD-stable". I use this master machine to update a number of > > "client" machines on which I do not run CVSup or maintain source. I have > > followed the instructions in the handbook on how to do this and it works > > quite well apart from one problem. > > > > I find that in order to run "make installworld" on the client PCs I need > > to exporte the "/usr/obj/" and "/usr/src" filesystems on the master > > read/write with "-maproot=root:wheel". If I don't I get build errors. Is > > this the best I can do or am I missing something obvious. Can I build my > > client machines with read-only access to the required filesystems. > > Since no one more knowledgeable answered, I'll give it a shot. My > understanding is that you must mount both /usr/obj and /usr/src, > although /usr/src should not need to be mounted with write access. One, I'm afraid, D U M B question. Do I not want to build my new kernel here before unmounting? If I do, I should be rw. If I don't, am I not going to have to cvsup anyway? Sorry if the answers are obvious. ed > > Basically, if what you have works, be happy. :) This is easy to agree with. > > Doug > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 08:04:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09286 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:04:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lepton.nuc.net (root@lepton.nuc.net [204.49.61.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09216 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:04:21 GMT (envelope-from wheelman@nuc.net) Received: from electron (dhcp1.nuc.net [204.49.61.15]) by lepton.nuc.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06918; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:03:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jaime Bozza" To: "Mike Smith" , "Berend de Boer" Cc: Subject: RE: best sd0 flags ? (was wdc0) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:01:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000801bd6c6d$34866560$0f3d31cc@electron.nuc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199804200531.WAA04185@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > As Bruce mentioned, you should use the raw device: > > azaria# dd if=/dev/sd1 of=/dev/null bs=1m count=20 > 20+0 records in > 20+0 records out > 20971520 bytes transferred in 9.182458 secs (2283868 bytes/sec) > azaria# dd if=/dev/rsd1 of=/dev/null bs=1m count=20 > 20+0 records in > 20+0 records out > 20971520 bytes transferred in 2.571084 secs (8156684 bytes/sec) > > for a similar configuration (DCAS34330UW, PII/337, AHA2940UW) I decided to try the same thing. Always been curious about the performance. %dd if=/dev/sd0 of=/dev/null bs=1m count=20 20+0 records in 20+0 records out 20971520 bytes transferred in 4.835489 secs (4337001 bytes/sec) %dd if=/dev/rsd0 of=/dev/null bs=1m count=20 20+0 records in 20+0 records out 20971520 bytes transferred in 2.201617 secs (9525508 bytes/sec) I did it a few times, and have seen slightly higher and slightly lower. 9M seems to be about an average for me. That particular system is a SEAGATE ST34555W 0930 (Seagate Hawk), Pentium 133, Adaptec 2940W (Not a(n) UW, though the drive is an UltraWide) Another system with a 2940UW/P5-133/SEAGATE ST15150W 0011 (One of the original Seagate Barracudas!) meson# dd if=/dev/sd0 of=/dev/null bs=1m count=20 20+0 records in 20+0 records out 20971520 bytes transferred in 8.065788 secs (2600058 bytes/sec) meson# dd if=/dev/rsd0 of=/dev/null bs=1m count=20 20+0 records in 20+0 records out 20971520 bytes transferred in 3.049587 secs (6876839 bytes/sec) Jaime Bozza Nucleus Communications, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 08:35:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15024 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:35:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14855; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:34:19 GMT (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00441; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804201530.IAA00441@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Bruce Evans cc: dburr@POBoxes.com, Studded@san.rr.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: best wdc0 flags ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:27:45 +1000." <199804200827.SAA15511@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:30:49 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I tried those flags and noticed that it turned on 32-bit transfers for > >my wd0, resulting in a 20% increase in throughput. Out of curiosity, why > >aren't these flags included in GENERIC? > > Becuase they break operation of drives that don't support them. Do we have any examples of controllers that don't? MHO is that at this point we should perhaps consider converting the option to accomodate the majority case, where they do. I've never encountered a controller that didn't work with 32-bit transfers. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 08:50:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18339 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:50:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ziplink.net (relay-0.ziplink.net [206.15.168.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18066 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:49:59 GMT (envelope-from lrios@ziplink.net) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net (zip1.ziplink.net [206.15.168.18]) by ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA11284 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:48:35 -0400 (EDT) From: lrios To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Free BSD and Windows Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Is there a way to boot windows (on a seperate disk) from FreeBSD's booteasy?? It seems to recognize the 2nd disk but will not boot from it. Any help would be appreciated.... ______ __ /___ / / / __ / /(@)__ / (@)__ / /__ lrios@ziplink.net / // / _ \/ / / _ \/ '_/ / //_/ .__/_/_/_//_/_/\_\ NASA TEAM / /__/_/___________________ `He who dies with the most toys win!` /___________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 09:01:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21966 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:01:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21835 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:01:08 GMT (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00554; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804201558.IAA00554@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: lrios cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:48:35 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:58:07 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Is there a way to boot windows (on a seperate disk) from FreeBSD's > booteasy?? It seems to recognize the 2nd disk but will not boot from it. > Any help would be appreciated.... MS-DOS does not support being booted from anything other than BIOS disk 0x80 (the first disk in the system). I believe that a number of boot managers (eg. System Commander) support working around this defect. Alternatively, you can try patching the boot record at the beginning of the MS-DOS partition by hand - search for 0x80, and replace with 0x81. Do it one at a time; there are likely to be several 0x80 bytes, but only one is of interest. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 09:10:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24896 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:10:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24763; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:10:31 GMT (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA04114; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:05:03 +1000 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:05:03 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199804201605.CAA04114@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: best wdc0 flags ? Cc: dburr@POBoxes.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Studded@san.rr.com Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> > I tried those flags and noticed that it turned on 32-bit transfers for >> >my wd0, resulting in a 20% increase in throughput. Out of curiosity, why >> >aren't these flags included in GENERIC? >> >> Becuase they break operation of drives that don't support them. > >Do we have any examples of controllers that don't? I thought I did, but my oldest accessible drive (all 400MB of it from 4 years ago) supports them. The probe seems to handle any that don't. Setting the multi-block flag is not such a good optimization, since it pessimizes throughput on some drives and it increases interrupt latency. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 09:14:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26082 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:14:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from versa.eng.comsat.com (versa.eng.comsat.com [134.133.169.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25959 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:13:49 GMT (envelope-from marc@versa.eng.comsat.com) Received: (from marc@localhost) by versa.eng.comsat.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id MAA08188; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Comsat Mobile Communications From: Marc Giannoni To: Burton Sampley Subject: RE: pine dumps core under -stable Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Pine is a buggy program. I rewrote large portions of this program to make it more stable over low speed lines, (1200 bps over X.25!) and to implement a proprietary user interface to Inmarsat-C. My advice: Find a better mail reader! Sorry, the improvements do not belong to me, otherwise I would submit them to Pine's maintainers. On 19-Apr-98 Burton Sampley wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Greetings, > >I'm running -stable (last cvsup'd about 2 days ago). Pine 3.96 built from >the ports collection under my current -stable kernel core dumps claiming >'Not Enough free memory' when ever I try to open a large 'folder' like: > > bsampley users 21211890 Apr 19 10:40 ./Mail/questions-incoming > >This is the folder where procmail saves all my incoming mail from >- -questions. I have other 'folders' which are around ~10 meg that pine can >open without core-dumping. I've attached .pine-debug1 from the most >recent core-dump. > >My system currently has 128meg of RAM. The kernel was compiled >immediately after cvsuping and completion of 'make world'. In my kernel >config file I have commented out all the hardware I don't have and >increased the number of max users up to 20. I'm fairly confident I'm not >out of memory, but I simply hit the process limit. Is there any way to >increase the maximum amount of memory a process can use? BTW, while >running X I can open the actual file with vi and according to TOP I still >having 53meg free. > >Any suggestions? If you need more info about my system, please email me >and I'll send to you. > > >Thanks in advance. > >- -burton- > >Oh, BTW, I tried to search the www archives for this topic, but I received >a response that the archives were not available. >- --------------- > >Burton Sampley >bsampley@best.com or bsampley@haywire.csuhayward.edu >PGP key available at http://www.best.com/~bsampley/pgp.html > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.6.2 > >iQCVAwUBNTo/Pnt2O8KJtMdBAQGB+QP+IOdZ6qtFqo9rl16vvOFewh/uc4LLE0p0 >93HYD/IZpuQFHA4Oq9aWcjrVs05v2IW0uoGG7AOx2P6bFjso7bzpjFue5r/uu/ot >hLTznHmJe3EvsAFv2ouaWxEOapM8GlO6I5jOpkHaYoZWIhFyJL9Nski5mAaB96zj >89JG11JsQdk= >=QSgD >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Use of this email address for advertisement, market research or promotion is strictly prohibited. Any sender of unsolicited advertisements or promotions agrees to US $1000 compensation for each message sent to this address. Receipt of this message implies agreement to these terms. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 09:15:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA26596 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:15:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ziplink.net (relay-0.ziplink.net [206.15.168.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26452 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:15:15 GMT (envelope-from lrios@ziplink.net) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net (zip1.ziplink.net [206.15.168.18]) by ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA15122; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:13:43 -0400 (EDT) From: lrios To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows In-Reply-To: <199804201558.IAA00554@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk So if I were to place Windows on my first IDE and BSD on my second drive will boot easy boot both?? ______ __ /___ / / / __ / /(@)__ / (@)__ / /__ lrios@ziplink.net / // / _ \/ / / _ \/ '_/ / //_/ .__/_/_/_//_/_/\_\ NASA TEAM / /__/_/___________________ `He who dies with the most toys win!` /___________________________ On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > Is there a way to boot windows (on a seperate disk) from FreeBSD's > > booteasy?? It seems to recognize the 2nd disk but will not boot from it. > > Any help would be appreciated.... > > MS-DOS does not support being booted from anything other than BIOS disk > 0x80 (the first disk in the system). > > I believe that a number of boot managers (eg. System Commander) support > working around this defect. Alternatively, you can try patching the > boot record at the beginning of the MS-DOS partition by hand - search > for 0x80, and replace with 0x81. Do it one at a time; there are likely > to be several 0x80 bytes, but only one is of interest. > > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 09:31:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01328 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:31:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01183; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:30:32 GMT (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00670; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804201626.JAA00670@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Bruce Evans cc: mike@smith.net.au, dburr@POBoxes.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Studded@san.rr.com Subject: Re: best wdc0 flags ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:05:03 +1000." <199804201605.CAA04114@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:26:38 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >> > I tried those flags and noticed that it turned on 32-bit transfers for > >> >my wd0, resulting in a 20% increase in throughput. Out of curiosity, why > >> >aren't these flags included in GENERIC? > >> > >> Becuase they break operation of drives that don't support them. > > > >Do we have any examples of controllers that don't? > > I thought I did, but my oldest accessible drive (all 400MB of it from > 4 years ago) supports them. The probe seems to handle any that don't. OK. Should we make it the default then? > Setting the multi-block flag is not such a good optimization, since it > pessimizes throughput on some drives and it increases interrupt latency. Can you qualify "some drives" again? The overall performance improvement in general use is marked, and it decreases interrupt load in the DMA case. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 09:32:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01544 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:32:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01405 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:31:23 GMT (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00684; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804201627.JAA00684@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: lrios cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:13:43 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:27:43 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > So if I were to place Windows on my first IDE and BSD on my second drive > will boot easy boot both?? Yes. If you have FreeBSD already installed on the first IDE disk, you will need to change the "wd0" entries in /etc/fstab to reflect the new disk identity (either "wd1" if you make it the second disk on the first controller, or "wd2" if you make it the first disk on the second controller). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 09:48:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06384 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:48:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wiley.csusb.edu (wiley.csusb.edu [139.182.2.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06184 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:47:57 GMT (envelope-from ccordero@wiley.csusb.edu) Received: from localhost (ccordero@localhost) by wiley.csusb.edu (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA00140; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:46:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Chad R Cordero To: lrios cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Is there a way to boot windows (on a seperate disk) from FreeBSD's > booteasy?? It seems to recognize the 2nd disk but will not boot from it. > Any help would be appreciated.... > When I used multiple OSs I had to, first (yes, order does matter), put Windows on the primary hard disk. Then, second, install FreeBSD on the second hard disk. This way windows wont get jealous (DOS after 6.x and windows has been known to mess up boot managers). The only thing is, now, windows may be the default. I left it here because it was my home system, but, maybe one of the gurus can help you if this occurs. I hope this helps. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 09:49:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06528 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:49:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mystique.hunter.com (mystique.hunter.com [199.217.245.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06352 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:48:30 GMT (envelope-from KHamilton@Hunter.COM) From: KHamilton@Hunter.COM Received: by mystique.hunter.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <28XNM4YV>; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:48:10 -0500 Message-ID: <92BD86195CB3D011832F0000C052D9E3548263@mystique.hunter.com> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com, FreeBSD-Stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Legato Networker for FreeBSD Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:48:09 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I don't know if anyone from Legato has mentioned this here or not but there is a *unsupported* version of the Legato Networker client now available for FreeBSD 2.x. For any of us running Legato as our enterprise/departmental backup product this helps. It is at ftp://ftp.legato.com/pub/Unsupported/freebsd2.tar.gz -- Kent Hamilton Work: KHamilton@Hunter.COM Sr Systems Admin URL: http://www.hunter.com/ Hunter Engineering Co. Home: KentH@HNS.St-Louis.Mo.US NIC Handle: KH91 URL: http://www2.hunter.com/~skh/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 09:56:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08924 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:56:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08569; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:55:43 GMT (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA05910; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:50:39 +1000 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:50:39 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199804201650.CAA05910@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, mike@smith.net.au Subject: Re: best wdc0 flags ? Cc: dburr@POBoxes.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Studded@san.rr.com Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> I thought I did, but my oldest accessible drive (all 400MB of it from >> 4 years ago) supports them. The probe seems to handle any that don't. > >OK. Should we make it the default then? In -current. >> Setting the multi-block flag is not such a good optimization, since it >> pessimizes throughput on some drives and it increases interrupt latency. > >Can you qualify "some drives" again? The overall performance >improvement in general use is marked, and it decreases interrupt load >in the DMA case. Old drives. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 09:58:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09501 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:58:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA09412 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:58:31 GMT (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.com [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yRJtH-00048n-00; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:57:59 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:57:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Mike Smith cc: Burton Sampley , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pine dumps core under -stable In-Reply-To: <199804200246.TAA03575@antipodes.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > To put it simply - if you want to work with large mailboxes, use a > better mailreader. Or read mail via imap. Memory usage remains fixed for any size of mailbox. Pine's memory allocation isn't that bad. Because it uses the c-client libs, when accessing bezerk mailboxes, it loads the entire thing into memory. Using other mailbox types (which you may want to because bezerk is terrible anyhow) will help a lot too. > -- > \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith > \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au > \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 10:00:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10337 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:00:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ziplink.net (relay-0.ziplink.net [206.15.168.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10184 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:00:17 GMT (envelope-from lrios@ziplink.net) Received: from zip1.ziplink.net (zip1.ziplink.net [206.15.168.18]) by ziplink.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA21850; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:58:56 -0400 (EDT) From: lrios To: Chad R Cordero cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk So should I instdall Booteasy on my Windows disk?? Will that interfere with Windows?? ______ __ /___ / / / __ / /(@)__ / (@)__ / /__ lrios@ziplink.net / // / _ \/ / / _ \/ '_/ / //_/ .__/_/_/_//_/_/\_\ NASA TEAM / /__/_/___________________ `He who dies with the most toys win!` /___________________________ On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Chad R Cordero wrote: > > Is there a way to boot windows (on a seperate disk) from FreeBSD's > > booteasy?? It seems to recognize the 2nd disk but will not boot from it. > > Any help would be appreciated.... > > > When I used multiple OSs I had to, first (yes, order does matter), put > Windows on the primary hard disk. Then, second, install FreeBSD on the > second hard disk. This way windows wont get jealous (DOS after 6.x and > windows has been known to mess up boot managers). The only thing is, now, > windows may be the default. I left it here because it was my home system, > but, maybe one of the gurus can help you if this occurs. > > I hope this helps. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 10:23:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16807 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:23:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16710 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:22:43 GMT (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00862; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804201719.KAA00862@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: lrios cc: Chad R Cordero , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:58:56 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:19:06 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > So should I instdall Booteasy on my Windows disk?? Will that interfere > with Windows?? Yes. No (but Windows will interfere with Booteasy if you (re)install Windows later). -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 10:28:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17737 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:28:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.111.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA17685 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:28:42 GMT (envelope-from pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at) Received: from alcyone (alcyone.dbai.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.111.54]) by vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA04976 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:28:31 +0200 (MET-DST) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:28:30 +0200 (MET DST) From: Gerald Pfeifer X-Sender: pfeifer@alcyone.dbai.tuwien.ac.at Reply-To: Gerald Pfeifer To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pine dumps core under -stable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Tom wrote: > On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Mike Smith wrote: >> To put it simply - if you want to work with large mailboxes, use a >> better mailreader. > Or read mail via imap. Memory usage remains fixed for any size of > mailbox. ...which is, btw, also what the developers of Pine have been recommending over and over again for years and years. (This and ``Never mount mail over NFS!'') > Pine's memory allocation isn't that bad. Because it uses the c-client > libs, when accessing bezerk mailboxes, it loads the entire thing into > memory. Using other mailbox types (which you may want to because bezerk > is terrible anyhow) will help a lot too. On a related note, Pine 4.0 will use a new version of c-client, which won't read entire mail files into main memory, but operate from disk (like Mutt, for example) Again Tom is right here, though: If you have lots of mail or large folders, go for a different format! Gerald -- Gerald Pfeifer (Jerry) Vienna University of Technology pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 10:49:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21982 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:49:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21912 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:49:24 GMT (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Received: from san.rr.com (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02172; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:49:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@san.rr.com) Message-ID: <353B8A96.F5208FD3@san.rr.com> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:49:10 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE-0420 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Edwin Culp CC: Jose Marques , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Build question References: <353AE4E4.A8169BC5@san.rr.com> <353B616F.107382F0@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Edwin Culp wrote: > One, I'm afraid, D U M B question. Do I not want to build my new kernel > here > before unmounting? If I do, I should be rw. If I don't, am I not going > to have > to cvsup anyway? Not dumb at all. If you're not exporting a kernel too, then yes, /usr/src will probably have to be rw, but that wasn't the original question. :) Thanks for clarifying, Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud designer and maintainer of the world's largest Internet *** Relay Chat server with 5,328 simultaneous connections. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 10:49:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21995 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:49:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wiley.csusb.edu (wiley.csusb.edu [139.182.2.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21939 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:49:30 GMT (envelope-from ccordero@wiley.csusb.edu) Received: from localhost (ccordero@localhost) by wiley.csusb.edu (8.8.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id KAA05861; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:48:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Chad R Cordero To: lrios cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, lrios wrote: > So should I instdall Booteasy on my Windows disk?? Will that interfere > with Windows?? > Yes, Booteasy should go on the windows disk, or at least the boot sector should. No, it should not interfere with windows, all you would be doing is overwriting the the boot sector, not data should be affected. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 11:21:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA00704 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:21:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00483 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:20:36 GMT (envelope-from berend@pobox.com) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:19:57 -0400 Received: from auke.deboer (pd05-211.par.compuserve.com [195.232.69.211]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with ESMTP id OAA25083; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bmach (bmach.deboer [192.168.33.3]) by auke.deboer (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA19294; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:12:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from berend@pobox.com) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:12:02 +0200 Message-ID: <01BD6C98.94B1A1E0.berend@pobox.com> From: Berend de Boer To: "'Mike Smith'" Cc: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: best sd0 flags ? (was wdc0) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:12:00 +0200 Organization: NederWare X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Monday, April 20, 1998 7:32 AM, Mike Smith [SMTP:mike@smith.net.au] wrote: > As Bruce mentioned, you should use the raw device: I saw it. Makes great difference indeed. > 20971520 bytes transferred in 2.571084 secs (8156684 bytes/sec) > > for a similar configuration (DCAS34330UW, PII/337, AHA2940UW) I have exactly the same SCSI controller and drive. I get about 8MB, I suppose the 0.15MB difference is due to processor speed. Groetjes, Berend. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 11:44:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04525 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:31:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mexcom.net (ver1-49.uninet.net.mx [200.38.135.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03687 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:28:52 GMT (envelope-from eculp@ver1.telmex.net.mx) Received: from sunix (telmex@sunix.mexcom.net [206.103.64.3]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA02374; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:24:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <353B94E5.4F39E79C@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:33:09 -0500 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Studded CC: Jose Marques , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Build question References: <353AE4E4.A8169BC5@san.rr.com> <353B616F.107382F0@ver1.telmex.net.mx> <353B8A96.F5208FD3@san.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Studded wrote: > > Edwin Culp wrote: > > > One, I'm afraid, D U M B question. Do I not want to build my new kernel > > here > > before unmounting? If I do, I should be rw. If I don't, am I not going > > to have > > to cvsup anyway? > > Not dumb at all. If you're not exporting a kernel too, then yes, > /usr/src will probably have to be rw, but that wasn't the original > question. :) > > Thanks for clarifying, > > Doug > I'm sorry. I think what I was really trying to do was justify what I'm doing. Thanks for letting me think "out loud" :-) ed To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 12:46:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA25965 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:46:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA25907; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:46:13 GMT (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02812; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:44:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199804201944.OAA02812@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: best wdc0 flags ? In-Reply-To: <199804201605.CAA04114@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from Bruce Evans at "Apr 21, 98 02:05:03 am" To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:44:05 -0500 (EST) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, mike@smith.net.au, dburr@POBoxes.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Studded@san.rr.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >> > I tried those flags and noticed that it turned on 32-bit transfers for > >> >my wd0, resulting in a 20% increase in throughput. Out of curiosity, why > >> >aren't these flags included in GENERIC? > >> > >> Becuase they break operation of drives that don't support them. > > > >Do we have any examples of controllers that don't? > > I thought I did, but my oldest accessible drive (all 400MB of it from > 4 years ago) supports them. The probe seems to handle any that don't. > > Setting the multi-block flag is not such a good optimization, since it > pessimizes throughput on some drives and it increases interrupt latency. > What about defaulting to multi-block 4 instead of maximum. This would help the latency issue (re: 16), and mitigate alot of the CPU performance issues (re: 1)? John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 13:12:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04284 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:12:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from adsdevelop2.autodebit.com (adsdevelop2.autodebit.com [204.50.245.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA04114 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:12:03 GMT (envelope-from davidg@autodebit.com) Received: by adsdevelop2.autodebit.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:14:35 -0800 Message-ID: <71D507C37988D11182ED0000F80462AC072126@adsdevelop2.autodebit.com> From: David Green-Seed To: lrios Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Free BSD and Windows Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:14:34 -0800 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >From my experience, Windows 95 wants to be on the first partition of the first hard drive. (I could be mistaken) I've happily run Booteasy with Windows 95. Another option - which I now use, is to boot to '95 first, but put a menu in the config.sys and autoexec.bat, and use fbsdboot.exe to get to FreeBSD. The reason that I do this, is that Booteasy seems to have troubles since I've put my FreeBSD partition beyond the 512MB mark. Dave. _________________________ David Green-Seed davidg@autodebit.com Automated Debit Systems > -----Original Message----- > From: Chad R Cordero [SMTP:ccordero@wiley.csusb.edu] > Sent: Monday, April 20, 1998 10:48 AM > To: lrios > Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows > > On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, lrios wrote: > > > So should I instdall Booteasy on my Windows disk?? Will that > interfere > > with Windows?? > > > Yes, Booteasy should go on the windows disk, or at least the boot > sector > should. No, it should not interfere with windows, all you would be > doing > is overwriting the the boot sector, not data should be affected. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 14:55:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02476 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:55:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xyplex.com (xap.xyplex.com [140.179.130.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02248 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:54:15 GMT (envelope-from dpennell@xyplex.com) Received: from ltnsvex2.xyplex.com (east.xyplex.com [140.179.176.22]) by xyplex.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02533 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dpennell.xyplex.com by ltnsvex2.xyplex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1460.8) id GWTJK5NA; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:58:23 -0400 Message-ID: <006d01bd6ca6$e8fb5bc0$059cb38c@dpennell.xyplex.com> From: "David Pennell" To: Subject: SIS 5598 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:54:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01BD6C85.61CFCB20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01BD6C85.61CFCB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anybody done support for the SIS 5598 PCI Chipset? -david ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01BD6C85.61CFCB20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has anybody done support for the SIS = 5598 PCI=20 Chipset?
 
-david
------=_NextPart_000_006A_01BD6C85.61CFCB20-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 15:14:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA07225 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:14:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alushta.NL.net (alushta.NL.net [193.78.240.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07199 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:14:26 GMT (envelope-from benst@terminus.stuyts.nl) Received: from stuyts by alushta.NL.net with UUCP id <15032-25379>; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:14:06 +0200 Received: from daneel.stuyts.nl (daneel.stuyts.nl [193.78.231.7]) by terminus.stuyts.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27339; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:28:27 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from benst) Received: (from benst@localhost) by daneel.stuyts.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA03555; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:28:30 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199804202128.XAA03555@daneel.stuyts.nl> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ben Stuyts Date: Mon, 20 Apr 98 23:28:27 +0200 To: Ugo Paternostro Subject: Re: How to detect obsolete files after a make world? cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: ben@stuyts.nl References: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 Apr 1998, Ugo Paternostro wrote: > Is there a way to detect obsolete files/shared libs after a make world other > than manually scanning the directories looking for files that do not match > the make world date? There is a very nice script in /usr/src/tools/LibraryReport/LibraryReport.tcl that does this. I do not know if this script is available under -stable, but it is here on -current. Ben To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 15:33:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12013 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:33:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xyplex.com (xap.xyplex.com [140.179.130.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11920 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:33:11 GMT (envelope-from dpennell@xyplex.com) Received: from ltnsvex2.xyplex.com (east.xyplex.com [140.179.176.22]) by xyplex.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02770 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dpennell.xyplex.com by ltnsvex2.xyplex.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1460.8) id GWTJK5PD; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:37:16 -0400 Message-ID: <00aa01bd6cac$57bb2860$059cb38c@dpennell.xyplex.com> From: "David Pennell" To: Subject: SIS 5598 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:33:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Has anybody done support for the SIS 5598 PCI Chipset? My apologies for sending the HTML version of the message earlier. -david To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 16:18:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21944 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:18:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ptialaska.net (husky.ptialaska.net [198.70.245.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA21815 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:17:06 GMT (envelope-from pstern@icefog.polarnet.com) From: pstern@icefog.polarnet.com Received: from icefog.polarnet.com (pstern@icefog.polarnet.com [204.119.24.13]) by ptialaska.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA23446 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:16:51 -0800 (AKDT) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:16:50 -0800 (AKDT) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk subscribe freebsd-stable To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 16:21:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22664 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:21:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from titus.stade.co.uk (root@stade.demon.co.uk [158.152.29.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA22492 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:20:31 GMT (envelope-from aw1@titus.stade.co.uk) Received: (from aw1@localhost) by titus.stade.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.3) id GAA03234; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 06:37:35 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980420063735.A27762@stade.co.uk> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 06:37:35 +0100 From: Adrian Wontroba To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pine dumps core under -stable Reply-To: aw1@stade.co.uk Mail-Followup-To: stable@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=9amGYk9869ThD9tj X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Shawn Ramsey on Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 08:57:11PM -0700 Organization: Stade Computers Ltd, UK X-Phone: +(44) 121 681 6677 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Apr 19, 1998 at 08:57:11PM -0700, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > Its been awhile since i've used ELM. Maybe I'll give it a try... Try mutt as well. There is a port, and a news group (comp.mail.mutt). It can look like elm, I believe can be made to look like pine, is very configurable, threads, handles mailing lists well, .... and does pgp if you are in to that. --=20 Adrian Wontroba, Stade Computers Limited. phone: (+44) 121 681 6677 Mail info@accu.org for information about the Association of C and C++ Users or see --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBNTrfH/afnz58Zbu1AQHwyQP/S2ydt4JM4IJ0NOH49MFNBBphjC52qDEN K6Dnts7A7MJZyhSkhs6ngKl2tJ3Gb/I6/GYgEZwYYssNeiBffvohu8euqH0Orz2l j+AqOTzPK9ko8cshUBLeLF8gc+/YoQ5Y8pAuKjzyODubegut+AraLIYyEzsBD0oH DE2ZnxlwL/8= =AIO5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9amGYk9869ThD9tj-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 16:33:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25387 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:33:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from conductor.synapse.net (conductor.synapse.net [199.84.54.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA25241 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:33:07 GMT (envelope-from evanc@synapse.net) Received: (qmail 330 invoked from network); 20 Apr 1998 23:32:53 -0000 Received: from cpu1970.adsl.bellglobal.com (HELO cello) (206.47.37.201) by conductor.synapse.net with SMTP; 20 Apr 1998 23:32:53 -0000 Message-ID: <012e01bd6cb4$a3e8d4a0$c9252fce@cello.synapse.net> From: "Evan Champion" To: Subject: make buildworld over NFS Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:32:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It looks like the problems I have been having with make buildworld (mkdep making garbage .depend files) were fixed by mounting /usr/src and /usr/obj with nfsv2 instead of v3. The only problem is that now /usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc gets full of .nfs* files, which causes make buildworld to fail because the directory isn't empty... I can't be the only person who is doing this... I'm mounting with rw,soft,bg,intr and now nfsv2 as well. Is anyone else able to get make buildworld to do "wierd stuff" when building over NFS (in my case, client and server both 2.2.6-STABLE from April 4). Evan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 20 18:54:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22941 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:54:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bsampley.vip.best.com (bsampley.vip.best.com [206.184.160.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA22926 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:54:41 GMT (envelope-from bsampley@best.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.vip.best.com [127.0.0.1]) by bsampley.vip.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA04447 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:26:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsampley@best.com) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:25:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Burton Sampley X-Sender: bsampley@bsampley.vip.best.com To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pine dumps core under -stable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Thanks again everybody for your help. I dug a little deeper into /etc/login.conf and set the userid that pine barfed on to 'root' for limits. Pine will now open the file/folder in question without barfing. It has ~6000 messages (-questions since 2/1/98) and is approaching 22 meg. I'm assuming it's not the best way to determine the memory consumption of a given process/program, but according to TOP, pine was using about ~30 meg while the file/folder in question was 'open'. As for the recommendations to find a better mail reader, I've been using pine for about 2 years. I'm very comfortable with the 'user interface' and like the fact that it does not *require* X windows. I do wish Pine handled pgp a little better than it currently does. I'll look into some of the other mail programs. Thanks again. - -burton- - --------------- Burton Sampley bsampley@best.com or bsampley@haywire.csuhayward.edu PGP key available at http://www.best.com/~bsampley/pgp.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNTv1qHt2O8KJtMdBAQEdGQP7BRFu7px3+pCaUii2pXmtCJF6yi98aRyc 0uZJeIOr3sSxE77pzDrjcKtbABYUp/qSg0CfFd4f3JAhaudtn7LYMpzOi9+a+4YS qOAroFoAlC9TKorZKksYGsi1RbqRfTNkAeWmIEOCjc4tUK6nLP6SQ90qxmytuROx YasmnrnizhY= =kKtR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 02:36:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00752 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:36:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ren.dtir.qld.gov.au (firewall-user@ns.dtir.qld.gov.au [203.108.138.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00735 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:36:39 GMT (envelope-from syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au) Received: by ren.dtir.qld.gov.au; id TAA17395; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:36:13 +1000 (EST) Received: from ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au(167.123.8.3) by ren.dtir.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma017360; Tue, 21 Apr 98 19:35:46 +1000 Received: from troll.dtir.qld.gov.au (troll.dtir.qld.gov.au [167.123.8.1]) by ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA10792; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:35:46 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (syssgm@localhost) by troll.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA11395; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:35:42 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199804210935.TAA11395@troll.dtir.qld.gov.au> X-Authentication-Warning: troll.dtir.qld.gov.au: syssgm@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Evan Champion" cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: make buildworld over NFS References: <012e01bd6cb4$a3e8d4a0$c9252fce@cello.synapse.net> In-Reply-To: <012e01bd6cb4$a3e8d4a0$c9252fce@cello.synapse.net> from "Evan Champion" at "21 Apr 1998 09:59:08 +1000" Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:35:42 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tuesday, 21st April 1998, "Evan Champion" wrote: >It looks like the problems I have been having with make buildworld (mkdep >making garbage .depend files) were fixed by mounting /usr/src and /usr/obj >with nfsv2 instead of v3. The only problem is that now >/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libc gets full of .nfs* files, which causes make >buildworld to fail because the directory isn't empty... > >I can't be the only person who is doing this... I'm mounting with >rw,soft,bg,intr and now nfsv2 as well. Is anyone else able to get make >buildworld to do "wierd stuff" when building over NFS (in my case, client >and server both 2.2.6-STABLE from April 4). Interesting. I posted a message today about .depend corruption in -current. (Both machines involved run -current.) NFS may have been broken for ages. Check -current for a full description of how my setup fails. BTW, I use hard mounts, not soft. It's a bad idea to use soft except with read-only mounts. Stephen. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 02:56:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05253 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:56:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bagira.fsz.bme.hu (bagira.fsz.bme.hu [152.66.76.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05146; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:55:28 GMT (envelope-from mohacsi@bagira.fsz.bme.hu) Received: from localhost (mohacsi@localhost) by bagira.fsz.bme.hu (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta3+BME-IIT) with SMTP id KAA04988; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:53:44 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:53:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: Janos Mohacsi Reply-To: Janos Mohacsi To: freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kernel permissions In-Reply-To: <199804171615.MAA11623@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Garrett Wollman wrote: > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:15:57 -0400 (EDT) > From: Garrett Wollman > To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > Cc: Johan Allard , > Robert Watson , > Dima Ruban , Matthew Hunt , > stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: kernel permissions > > < said: > > >> On the whish list I would like to add support for IPsec. It must be > > The WIDE project folks have already implemented both IPsec and > > IPv6 - we just need to incorporate their stuff without hopefully > > pissing off any of the 1,473 different other IPv6 implementors out > > there .: -) > > If we could just get the WIDE people and the INRIA people (and the NRL > people) to all coalesce around a single solution, we'd have a clear > winner. According to our test the most stable IPv6 implementation is the INRIA IPv6 (The result of our test will due to published in TERENA Networking Conference '98). Althought it does not contain either DES or other cryptographic software all the hooks in the kernel are available to fill out. (The necessary code is available from http://www.ipv6.ticl.co.uk/devpv6.htm ). Unfortunately IPsec is not available for IPv4 in the INRIA implementation. Compiling the WIDE implementation is quite hard because of misnamed structure fields, etc. And the kernels dumps core sometimes... The most important argument against the WIDE IPv6 (for me) that the applications are not so tightly integrated to the system as in the INRIA. The solutions would be the import INRIA IPv6 code and integrate WIDE or ticl IPSec (with addition photurisd from OpenBSD and ISA KMP/Oakley). Sincerely, Janos Mohacsi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 05:58:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02768 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 05:58:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zed.ludd.luth.se (zed.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02761 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:58:08 GMT (envelope-from pantzer@sister.ludd.luth.se) Received: from sister.ludd.luth.se (pantzer@sister.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.77]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA28387; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:57:53 +0200 Message-Id: <199804211257.OAA28387@zed.ludd.luth.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Stephen McKay cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make buildworld over NFS In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:35:42 +1000." <199804210935.TAA11395@troll.dtir.qld.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:57:51 +0200 From: Mattias Pantzare Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > BTW, I use hard mounts, not soft. It's a bad idea to use soft except with > read-only mounts. Why? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 06:34:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07716 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 06:34:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ren.dtir.qld.gov.au (firewall-user@ns.dtir.qld.gov.au [203.108.138.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07701 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:34:43 GMT (envelope-from syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au) Received: by ren.dtir.qld.gov.au; id XAA21321; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:34:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au(167.123.8.3) by ren.dtir.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma021310; Tue, 21 Apr 98 23:33:49 +1000 Received: from troll.dtir.qld.gov.au (troll.dtir.qld.gov.au [167.123.8.1]) by ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA12669; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:33:48 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (syssgm@localhost) by troll.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA12764; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:33:45 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199804211333.XAA12764@troll.dtir.qld.gov.au> X-Authentication-Warning: troll.dtir.qld.gov.au: syssgm@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Mattias Pantzare cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: make buildworld over NFS References: <199804211257.OAA28387@zed.ludd.luth.se> In-Reply-To: <199804211257.OAA28387@zed.ludd.luth.se> from Mattias Pantzare at "Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:57:51 +0200" Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:33:44 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tuesday, 21st April 1998, Mattias Pantzare wrote: >> BTW, I use hard mounts, not soft. It's a bad idea to use soft except with >> read-only mounts. > >Why? Nobody explains it much: To quote from the Solaris mount_nfs page "File systems that are mounted read-write or that contain executable files should always be mounted with the hard option. Applications using soft mounted file systems may incur unexpected I/O errors." And Digital Unix offers: "File systems that are mounted rw (read-write) should use the hard option", which is just ripped off from SunOS. But it's really quite simple: soft mounts are allowed to return errors after a certain number of timeouts. So your programs will fail when the server goes down or temporarily is hard to reach. Hard mounts must retry until doomsday. So, in theory, the writes will complete when the server comes back up, even if it is next year. Same deal for executables running off NFS. Hard mounts should just block the process until the server comes back. Soft mounts will let them die if they need some new text pages and the server is unavailable. Also, nfsiod is doing write-behind for you, so you probably could lose writes without your programs even noticing if the server drops out then returns. I just made the mistake of trying to verify this by reading the code. Oh, my head! Stephen. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 10:58:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28346 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:58:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28044 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:57:02 GMT (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id TAA27879; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:56:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:56:52 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith Cc: lrios , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows References: <199804201558.IAA00554@dingo.cdrom.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 21 Apr 1998 19:56:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: Mike Smith's message of "Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:58:07 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Mike Smith writes: > > Is there a way to boot windows (on a seperate disk) from FreeBSD's > > booteasy?? It seems to recognize the 2nd disk but will not boot from it. > > Any help would be appreciated.... > MS-DOS does not support being booted from anything other than BIOS disk > 0x80 (the first disk in the system). It will (should) work if BootEasy sets DX to the number of the drive DOS is being booted from (0x81 in this case). I wrote an OS loader once which could boot DOS from arbitrary drives, I'll see if I can dig up the code. Modifying the DOS boot sector should not be necessary. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 11:08:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01897 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:08:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01866 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:08:30 GMT (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00981; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804211804.LAA00981@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) cc: Mike Smith , lrios , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows In-reply-to: Your message of "21 Apr 1998 19:56:52 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:04:06 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Mike Smith writes: > > > Is there a way to boot windows (on a seperate disk) from FreeBSD's > > > booteasy?? It seems to recognize the 2nd disk but will not boot from it. > > > Any help would be appreciated.... > > MS-DOS does not support being booted from anything other than BIOS disk > > 0x80 (the first disk in the system). > > It will (should) work if BootEasy sets DX to the number of the drive > DOS is being booted from (0x81 in this case). I wrote an OS loader > once which could boot DOS from arbitrary drives, I'll see if I can dig > up the code. Modifying the DOS boot sector should not be necessary. I've done this before. 8) Unless Microsoft changed their sector-0 bootloader (which is possible), it still has 0x80 hardcoded. The symptoms would tend to indicate that they haven't - FreeBSD boots correctly from the second drive using the value in %dx, but Windows does not. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 11:09:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02130 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:09:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01996 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:09:03 GMT (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id UAA29375; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:08:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:08:56 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen McKay Cc: Mattias Pantzare , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make buildworld over NFS References: <199804211257.OAA28387@zed.ludd.luth.se> <199804211333.XAA12764@troll.dtir.qld.gov.au> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 21 Apr 1998 20:08:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: Stephen McKay's message of "Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:33:44 +1000" Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Stephen McKay writes: > On Tuesday, 21st April 1998, Mattias Pantzare wrote: > >> BTW, I use hard mounts, not soft. It's a bad idea to use soft except with > >> read-only mounts. > >Why? > [...] > But it's really quite simple: soft mounts are allowed to return errors > after a certain number of timeouts. So your programs will fail when > the server goes down or temporarily is hard to reach. Hard mounts must > retry until doomsday. So, in theory, the writes will complete when the > server comes back up, even if it is next year. s/hard/interruptible/g will at least let you interrupt processes you *know* will not lose data (or interrupt any process and take the consequences),without letting other processes time out and die. Keep in mind that with hard mounts, stuff like df and mount/umount will hang too, even if you are trying to mount / umount / change flags on a local filesystem. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 11:16:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA04208 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:16:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roma.coe.ufrj.br (jonny@roma.coe.ufrj.br [146.164.53.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04078 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:15:51 GMT (envelope-from jonny@coe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by roma.coe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01144 for stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:15:48 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199804211815.PAA01144@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Subject: FDSEEKWAIT and floppy problems To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:15:48 -0300 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, Maybe this also true for current, but why does -stable's LINT has an FDSEEKWAIT option that is not used anywhere ? I found the XXX remark strange and gone search for it to find out that the only place in /sys where a FDSEEKWAIT word exists is in LINT config file. Time to remove this option from LINT to avoid misinformaton ? I went through this because I have a floppy that works under DOS but not under FreeBSD, giving me this error: fd0c: hard error reading fsbn 0 (ST0 40 ST1 1 ST2 0 cyl 0 hd 0 sec 1) It's not a floppy fault because I used the same floppy at DOS testing, and read and wrote from it without problems. I'm still searching for the problem (right now compiling a new kernel with FDC_DEBUG), but if somebody could send me in the right direction I would love. The dmesg messages at boot are: fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in Thanks in advance, Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 ( Job ) jonny@coppe.ufrj.br M.Sc. Student Electrical Engineering Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 11:17:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05039 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:17:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from conductor.synapse.net (conductor.synapse.net [199.84.54.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA04982 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:17:39 GMT (envelope-from evanc@synapse.net) Received: (qmail 21063 invoked from network); 21 Apr 1998 18:17:38 -0000 Received: from cpu1970.adsl.bellglobal.com (HELO cello) (206.47.37.201) by conductor.synapse.net with SMTP; 21 Apr 1998 18:17:37 -0000 Message-ID: <003201bd6d51$c3b2dea0$c9252fce@cello.synapse.net> From: "Evan Champion" To: "Mattias Pantzare" , "Stephen McKay" Cc: , Subject: Re: make buildworld over NFS Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:17:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk My make buildworld with rw,bg,intr,nfsv2 succeeded. I still can't get make -j4 buildworld to work due to the .nfs* file buildup. Evan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 11:24:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07045 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:24:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gershwin.tera.com (gershwin.tera.com [207.224.230.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06855 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:23:53 GMT (envelope-from kline@tera.tera.com) Received: from athena.tera.com (athena.tera.com [207.224.230.127]) by gershwin.tera.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21918; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:22:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Kline Received: (from kline@localhost) by athena.tera.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA27407; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804211822.LAA27407@athena.tera.com> Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows In-Reply-To: <199804211804.LAA00981@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Apr 21, 98 11:04:06 am" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, mike@smith.net.au, lrios@ziplink.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL23 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk According to Mike Smith: > > Mike Smith writes: > > > > Is there a way to boot windows (on a seperate disk) from FreeBSD's > > > > booteasy?? It seems to recognize the 2nd disk but will not boot from it. > > > > Any help would be appreciated.... > > > MS-DOS does not support being booted from anything other than BIOS disk > > > 0x80 (the first disk in the system). > > > > It will (should) work if BootEasy sets DX to the number of the drive > > DOS is being booted from (0x81 in this case). I wrote an OS loader > > once which could boot DOS from arbitrary drives, I'll see if I can dig > > up the code. Modifying the DOS boot sector should not be necessary. > > I've done this before. 8) > > Unless Microsoft changed their sector-0 bootloader (which is possible), > it still has 0x80 hardcoded. The symptoms would tend to indicate that > they haven't - FreeBSD boots correctly from the second drive using the > value in %dx, but Windows does not. > I've been meaning to ask the entire group the following questions(s) about OS bootloaders, since it seems that FBSD lacks a very powerful one. How hard would it be for someone who understands this problem to write a loader that would be powerful and configurable? It probably requires an in-depth understanding of how PC's work with DOS; how the BIOS talks to the disk(s). Writing a loader that worked with any PC-Unix would be a major win. After 5 weeks of trying to dual-boot FBSD and Debian, I gave up. Shouldn't be this hard, but is. gary kline To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 11:25:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07631 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:25:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gateman.zeus.leitch.com (gateman.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07534 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:25:15 GMT (envelope-from woods@tap.zeus.leitch.com) Received: from zeus.leitch.com (tap.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.10]) by gateman.zeus.leitch.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/1.0) with ESMTP id OAA25154 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brain.zeus.leitch.com (brain.zeus.leitch.com [204.187.61.32]) by zeus.leitch.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.0) with ESMTP id OAA03496 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from woods@localhost) by brain.zeus.leitch.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23758; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:25:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from woods@tap.zeus.leitch.com) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199804211825.OAA23758@brain.zeus.leitch.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: woods@zeus.leitch.com (Greg A. Woods) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make buildworld over NFS In-Reply-To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= )'s message of ", April 21, 1998 20:08:55 +0200" regarding "Re: make buildworld over NFS" id References: <199804211257.OAA28387@zed.ludd.luth.se> <199804211333.XAA12764@troll.dtir.qld.gov.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.45 under Emacs 20.2.1 Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Planix, Inc.; Toronto, Ontario; Canada Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk [ On , April 21, 1998 at 20:08:55 (+0200), dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) wrote: ] > Subject: Re: make buildworld over NFS > > s/hard/interruptible/g will at least let you interrupt processes you > *know* will not lose data (or interrupt any process and take the > consequences),without letting other processes time out and die. Keep > in mind that with hard mounts, stuff like df and mount/umount will > hang too, even if you are trying to mount / umount / change flags on a > local filesystem. Although I've not had the unfortunate chance to test this recently on FreeBSD, it is my recollection that df(1) is not interruptible even when mounted with '-i' and even though it's only reading filesystem metadata. One related option BSD/OS 1.1 had that doesn't seem to be in FreeBSD is: spongy Soft semantics for the stat, lookup, fsstat, readlink and readdir filesystem operations and hard semantics for the others. This option is meant to be similar to hard, except that processes will not be hung forever when they trip over mount points to dead servers. Of course here not being "hung forever" is a relative thing. I think the default retries result in the perception of the hang being for an infinite amount of time. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 443-1734 VE3TCP Planix, Inc. ; Secrets of the Weird To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 11:51:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14824 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:51:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from netjava.com (Espresso.NetJava.net [204.253.66.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA14618 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:51:06 GMT (envelope-from jayb@netjava.com) Received: from ssuply.arn.net (ssuply.arn.net [204.177.232.173]) by netjava.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ea369100 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:07:00 -0500 Message-ID: <353CEC05.5F1C041@netjava.com> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:57:09 -0500 From: Jay Bratcher X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows References: <199804211822.LAA27407@athena.tera.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Gary Kline wrote: > > I've been meaning to ask the entire group the following > questions(s) about OS bootloaders, since it seems that > FBSD lacks a very powerful one. How hard would it be > for someone who understands this problem to write a loader > that would be powerful and configurable? > > It probably requires an in-depth understanding of how PC's > work with DOS; how the BIOS talks to the disk(s). Writing > a loader that worked with any PC-Unix would be a major win. > > After 5 weeks of trying to dual-boot FBSD and Debian, I > gave up. Shouldn't be this hard, but is. > > gary kline Just out of curiosity, has anyone ported (or tried porting) lilo to FreeBSD? Lilo seems a bit more flexible than booteasy. Better yet, has anyone tried running lilo under the Linux emulation? All lilo does is parse a config file and write a MBR from a set of data files. The only problem that is immediately obvious is with device naming conventions. I haven't done much with the Linux emulation, so I'm not sure how it handles device names. On the other hand, I know lilo will boot FreeBSD, DOS, Win[95|NT], and OS/2. There are some special requirements for FreeBSD, but nothing which wouldn't be considered if you were going dual-boot anyway. Jay To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 11:52:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14925 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:52:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14766 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:51:24 GMT (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id UAA03654; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:51:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:51:08 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline Cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), lrios@ziplink.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows References: <199804211822.LAA27407@athena.tera.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 21 Apr 1998 20:51:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: Gary Kline's message of "Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:22:49 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Gary Kline writes: > I've been meaning to ask the entire group the following > questions(s) about OS bootloaders, since it seems that > FBSD lacks a very powerful one. How hard would it be > for someone who understands this problem to write a loader > that would be powerful and configurable? Not at all. Been there, done that, it works. Tested with DOS, Windows 95, Windows NT, FreeBSD, and OS/2 IIRC. Don't want to release it the way the code looks now though :) > It probably requires an in-depth understanding of how PC's > work with DOS; how the BIOS talks to the disk(s). Writing > a loader that worked with any PC-Unix would be a major win. No, it's really not that complicated. Shouldn't be, at least. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 12:30:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29272 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:30:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from horst.bfd.com (horst.bfd.com [204.160.242.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA29146 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:29:59 GMT (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Received: from harlie.bfd.com (bastion.bfd.com [204.160.242.14]) by horst.bfd.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA00551; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:29:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ejs@bfd.com) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:29:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" To: Jay Bratcher cc: Gary Kline , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows In-Reply-To: <353CEC05.5F1C041@netjava.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Jay Bratcher wrote: > Just out of curiosity, has anyone ported (or tried porting) lilo to > FreeBSD? Lilo seems a bit more flexible than booteasy. Define flexible. Booteasy has the advantage that it understands the filesystem structure, so that you give it the name of a kernel to boot, and it does it. Lilo hardcodes the sectors to load into the boot file, which lets it boot off of other FS, but causes problems if you install a new kernel, but don't rerun Lilo. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 12:36:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00349 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:36:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gershwin.tera.com (gershwin.tera.com [207.224.230.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA00243 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:35:59 GMT (envelope-from kline@tera.tera.com) Received: from athena.tera.com (athena.tera.com [207.224.230.127]) by gershwin.tera.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23891; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:35:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Kline Received: (from kline@localhost) by athena.tera.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA27481; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804211935.MAA27481@athena.tera.com> Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows In-Reply-To: <353CEC05.5F1C041@netjava.com> from Jay Bratcher at "Apr 21, 98 01:57:09 pm" To: jayb@netjava.com (Jay Bratcher) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: kline@tera.tera.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL23 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk According to Jay Bratcher: > Gary Kline wrote: > > > > After 5 weeks of trying to dual-boot FBSD and Debian, I > > gave up. Shouldn't be this hard, but is. > > > > gary kline > > Just out of curiosity, has anyone ported (or tried porting) lilo to > FreeBSD? Lilo seems a bit more flexible than booteasy. Better yet, has > anyone tried running lilo under the Linux emulation? All lilo does is > parse a config file and write a MBR from a set of data files. The only > problem that is immediately obvious is with device naming conventions. > I haven't done much with the Linux emulation, so I'm not sure how it > handles device names. On the other hand, I know lilo will boot FreeBSD, > DOS, Win[95|NT], and OS/2. There are some special requirements for > FreeBSD, but nothing which wouldn't be considered if you were going > dual-boot anyway. > I was musing the same question about porting lilo; or else porting BootEasy to Linux; or merging whatever features of each could be merged. My thinking is that fdisk and other disklevel utilities could automate almost all of the configuration. When you installed the loader you might tell it, for example, that you had DOS on drive 0, Linux on drive 1, and FreeBSD rooted on drive 2. Lilo does require you to fill out /etc/lilo.conf. But there cannot be any errors or it dies. I gave up with some syntax errors in the configuration file.... probably should've hunted up the code. But by then I was tired of the mess. gary > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 13:08:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09009 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:08:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cesit1.unifi.it (cesit1.unifi.it [150.217.1.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08928 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:07:24 GMT (envelope-from ugo@dsi.UNIFI.IT) Received: from aguirre.dsi.unifi.it by CESIT1.UNIFI.IT (PMDF V5.1-10 #23168) with SMTP id <01IW5AKWWAU8000GHE@CESIT1.UNIFI.IT> for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:07:36 MET Received: from dsi.unifi.it (com9.unifi.it) by aguirre.dsi.unifi.it (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15595; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:09:11 +0200 Received: from pegasus.home.net (pegasus.home.net [192.168.1.3]) by dsi.unifi.it (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15051; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:36:01 +0200 (MET DST envelope-from ugo) Received: (from ugo@localhost) by pegasus.home.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA14547; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:36:01 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:36:00 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ugo Paternostro Subject: Re: How to detect obsolete files after a make world? In-reply-to: <199804202128.XAA03555@daneel.stuyts.nl> To: ben@stuyts.nl Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: Organization: Not an organization MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 20-Apr-98 Ben Stuyts wrote about "Re: How to detect obsolete files after a make world?": >> Is there a way to detect obsolete files/shared libs after a make world other > > There is a very nice script in /usr/src/tools/LibraryReport/LibraryReport.tcl > that does this. I do not know if this script is available under -stable, but > it is here on -current. Thanks! And yes, it is available under -stable (that's not a problem for me, as I track both -stable and -current...) Anyway, I still need to find obsolete binaries :-/ > Ben Bye, UP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 13:08:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09066 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:08:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cesit1.unifi.it (cesit1.unifi.it [150.217.1.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08948 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:07:32 GMT (envelope-from ugo@dsi.UNIFI.IT) Received: from aguirre.dsi.unifi.it by CESIT1.UNIFI.IT (PMDF V5.1-10 #23168) with SMTP id <01IW5ALCAW4A000GHE@CESIT1.UNIFI.IT> for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:07:57 MET Received: from by aguirre.dsi.unifi.it (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB15595; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:09:22 +0200 Received: from pegasus.home.net (pegasus.home.net [192.168.1.3]) by dsi.unifi.it (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15068; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:54:52 +0200 (MET DST envelope-from ugo) Received: (from ugo@localhost) by pegasus.home.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id NAA14564; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:54:52 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:54:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ugo Paternostro Subject: Re: How to detect obsolete files after a make world? In-reply-to: <199804200522.HAA25486@trinity.radio-do.de> To: Frank Nobis Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: Organization: Not an organization MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 20-Apr-98 Frank Nobis wrote about "Re: How to detect obsolete files after a make world?": >> What about a very dangerous use of "find / -type f \! -mtime 1 -delete", or >> similar? ;-) > > This would for sure clear your /usr/local tree :-) Not talking about your /etc, /usr/X11R6, /home and /var =:-/ I know this, but what about using find on selected directories? I.e.: replace "/" on the command I posted with /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/lib and so on. > Btw. there are shared libs under /usr/lib that are there from previous > builds or from binaries linked against older shared libs, so they are > neccessary. True, but you can safely nuke them and then recompile your binaries (ports?) as soon as they complain about a missing library. You may still have problems with binary distributions (commercial software and so on), maybe you need to install lib compat. > One could traverse the filesystem, take all the executables, do > something like `find / -print |xargs ldd| sort -u` to get all the > libraries in use and remove all others. Yikes! :-) See Ben's post about /usr/src/tools/LibraryReport/LibraryReport.tcl Please remember that I have to remove also old binaries (e.g. sgmlfmt, newlfs etc.) > Frank Bye, UP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 13:13:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10914 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:13:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from netjava.com (Espresso.NetJava.net [204.253.66.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA10716 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:13:07 GMT (envelope-from jayb@netjava.com) Received: from ssuply.arn.net (ssuply.arn.net [204.177.232.173]) by netjava.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id wa369118 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:29:22 -0500 Message-ID: <353CFF53.F02CBEC@netjava.com> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:19:31 -0500 From: Jay Bratcher X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Eric J. Schwertfeger wrote: > > On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Jay Bratcher wrote: > > > Just out of curiosity, has anyone ported (or tried porting) lilo to > > FreeBSD? Lilo seems a bit more flexible than booteasy. > > Define flexible. Booteasy has the advantage that it understands the > filesystem structure, so that you give it the name of a kernel to boot, > and it does it. Lilo hardcodes the sectors to load into the boot file, > which lets it boot off of other FS, but causes problems if you install a > new kernel, but don't rerun Lilo. make zlilo :) Seriously though, by flexible, I meant more options. Anyway, I can definitely get in over my head arguing about boot managers, so I won't do it. I only meant to point out that lilo would be a good alternative to booteasy if it could be ported. Jay To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 13:24:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13486 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:24:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA13451 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:24:24 GMT (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yRjZt-0006i8-00; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:23:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:23:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" cc: Jay Bratcher , Gary Kline , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Eric J. Schwertfeger wrote: > On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Jay Bratcher wrote: > > > Just out of curiosity, has anyone ported (or tried porting) lilo to > > FreeBSD? Lilo seems a bit more flexible than booteasy. > > Define flexible. Booteasy has the advantage that it understands the > filesystem structure, so that you give it the name of a kernel to boot, > and it does it. Lilo hardcodes the sectors to load into the boot file, That isn't booteasy, that is the standard FreeBSD bootloader. The FreeBSD bootloader also support serial consoles. This and the ability to boot different kernels, and provide kernel flags really sets us far ahead of LILO. Booteasy is the thing that gives you the F-key menu of which OS to boot. BTW, I hope you realize that FreeBSD includes an old version of booteasy. Also, booteasy is only required for dual-boot situations (boot selector). LILO is a combination boot selector and boot loader for the kernel. I don't care for it. Mainly because I can't choose a kernel and pass kernel flags, without re-configuring LILO first. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 13:50:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19559 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:50:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA19490 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:50:11 GMT (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01484; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804212046.NAA01484@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Jay Bratcher cc: "Eric J. Schwertfeger" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:19:31 CDT." <353CFF53.F02CBEC@netjava.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:46:20 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Seriously though, by flexible, I meant more options. Anyway, I can > definitely get in over my head arguing about boot managers, so I won't > do it. I only meant to point out that lilo would be a good alternative > to booteasy if it could be ported. ... except that BootEasy and Lilo do completely different things. Booteasy lets you select a partition from which to load an operating system bootstrap. Lilo is an operating system bootstrap. The FreeBSD bootstrap doesn't have a cute name; it's called 'boot', or sometimes boot1/boot2. There is very little that Lilo does that boot doesn't. On the other hand, boot understands how the BSD filesystem works, so you can boot any kernel that you want, without having to screw around with it. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 14:31:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA29417 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:31:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29287; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:30:57 GMT (envelope-from se@dialup124.zpr.uni-koeln.de) Received: from dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.219.124]) by Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19257; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:30:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from se@localhost) by dialup124.zpr.Uni-Koeln.DE (8.8.8/8.6.9) id WAA00995; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:56:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Face: " Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:56:16 +0200 From: Stefan Esser To: David Pennell , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Stefan Esser Subject: Re: SIS 5598 References: <006d01bd6ca6$e8fb5bc0$059cb38c@dpennell.xyplex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <006d01bd6ca6$e8fb5bc0$059cb38c@dpennell.xyplex.com>; from David Pennell on Mon, Apr 20, 1998 at 05:54:36PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 1998-04-20 17:54 -0400, David Pennell wrote: > Has anybody done support for the SIS 5598 PCI Chipset? What kind of support do you need ? (None should be required. We can add a probe message, if the PCI vendor/device ID is known, but that is purely cosmetic :) STefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 14:41:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01546 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:41:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au (gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au [203.17.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01082 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:39:16 GMT (envelope-from Peter.Jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au ([139.188.23.1]) by gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IW5UIR4M7K000ED5@gatekeeper.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 07:38:32 +1000 Received: from cbd.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IW5UIIOKG0DDYZMB@cim.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 07:38:20 +1000 Received: from gsms01.alcatel.com.au by cbd.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.1-7 #U2695) with ESMTP id <01IW5UIMOJ6OAZTU3Y@cbd.alcatel.com.au> for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 07:38:26 +1100 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsms01.alcatel.com.au (8.8.8/8.7.3) id HAA15469 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 07:38:24 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 07:38:24 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Jeremy Subject: NFS mount types (was Re: make buildworld over NFS) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <199804212138.HAA15469@gsms01.alcatel.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:33:44 +1000, Stephen McKay wrote: > soft mounts are allowed to return errors >after a certain number of timeouts. So your programs will fail when >the server goes down or temporarily is hard to reach. It's hard to see how soft NFS semantics differ from having a disk die underneath you. Given the uptimes possible with decent OS's (eg FreeBSD), and the painfullness of getting around hard NFS semantics when a server does go away, I think soft mounts are probably better for most purposes. > So, in theory, the writes will complete when the >server comes back up, even if it is next year. Of course, if the server is never coming back, you'll need to reboot the client to recover - I've gotten caught a couple of times testing with temporary machines. Peter -- Peter Jeremy (VK2PJ) peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au Alcatel Australia Limited 41 Mandible St Phone: +61 2 9690 5019 ALEXANDRIA NSW 2015 Fax: +61 2 9690 5247 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 15:14:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08897 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:14:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk (tweetie-pipex.online.barbour-index.co.uk [194.129.192.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA08773 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:13:30 GMT (envelope-from scot@online.barbour-index.co.uk) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA13876 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:13:08 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from scot@online.barbour-index.co.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:13:08 +0100 (BST) From: Scot Elliott cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NFS mount types (was Re: make buildworld over NFS) In-Reply-To: <199804212138.HAA15469@gsms01.alcatel.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Peter Jeremy wrote: > >server comes back up, even if it is next year. > Of course, if the server is never coming back, you'll need to reboot the > client to recover - I've gotten caught a couple of times testing with > temporary machines. > I use NFS for one or two home directories (via the Auto-Mounter). I've had some big problems even with soft mounts when the NFS server dies (it usually seems to die on a Friday afternoon for some reason - hense being down the whole weekend)... and then my login machine fills up with CRON jobs for my login users. Nightmare. I don't think I've ever recover without rebooting the client when then server comes back up. Scot. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)171 7046777 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 15:15:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09017 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:15:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA08754 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:13:22 GMT (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25515; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:12:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) To: Gary Kline cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, lrios@ziplink.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:22:49 PDT." <199804211822.LAA27407@athena.tera.com> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:12:10 -0700 Message-ID: <25512.893196730@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I've been meaning to ask the entire group the following > questions(s) about OS bootloaders, since it seems that > FBSD lacks a very powerful one. How hard would it be > for someone who understands this problem to write a loader > that would be powerful and configurable? Probably not very - why don't you do so and then come back and tell us about it? People have been either quite happy or very displeased with "booteasy", taking the time to let me know either way over the years, but no one on the "displeased" side has ever bothered to submit something better and I rather consider the issue closed until one of them does. Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 16:18:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18174 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:18:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk (tweetie-pipex.online.barbour-index.co.uk [194.129.192.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18116 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:17:52 GMT (envelope-from scot@online.barbour-index.co.uk) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA13999 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:17:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from scot@online.barbour-index.co.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:17:51 +0100 (BST) From: Scot Elliott To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows In-Reply-To: <25512.893196730@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I believe there's another boot-loader on the FreeBSD CD-ROMs under /tools called osbs. I've used the beta version for a while and it's quite a good alternalive to the standard thing that /sysinstall puts on your disk. And it's prettier too ;) Yours Scot. On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:12:10 -0700 > From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > To: Gary Kline > Cc: Mike Smith , dag-erli@ifi.uio.no, lrios@ziplink.net, > freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows > > > I've been meaning to ask the entire group the following > > questions(s) about OS bootloaders, since it seems that > > FBSD lacks a very powerful one. How hard would it be > > for someone who understands this problem to write a loader > > that would be powerful and configurable? > > Probably not very - why don't you do so and then come back and > tell us about it? > > People have been either quite happy or very displeased with > "booteasy", taking the time to let me know either way over the years, > but no one on the "displeased" side has ever bothered to submit > something better and I rather consider the issue closed until one of > them does. > > Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)171 7046777 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 17:13:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27701 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:13:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail2.sirius.com (mail2.sirius.com [205.134.253.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA27665 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:13:33 GMT (envelope-from parag@mail.codegen.com) Received: from [192.168.100.101] (ppp-asok06--101.sirius.net [205.134.245.101]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with SMTP id RAA29620; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804220013.RAA29620@mail2.sirius.com> Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:14:49 -0700 x-sender: parag@mail.codegen.com x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Parag Patel To: "Gary Kline" , "Mike Smith" cc: , , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 4/21/98 11:22 AM, Gary Kline (kline@tera.tera.com) said: > After 5 weeks of trying to dual-boot FBSD and Debian, I > gave up. Shouldn't be this hard, but is. I surrendered and spent $50 on a copy of System Commander. I wish I'd bought a copy years ago. It can boot anything from any slice from any disk. Nice. FYI, I setup a small DOS partition as disk 0 slice 0 - just enough to hold DOS and System Commander. Then I installed various OSes (including Win95, WNT, BeOS, and of course FreeBSD) in no particular order on various disks and slices, again in no particular order. If the last installed OS stepped on the MBR (ie Win*), I simply reran its install app and things were fine thereafter. At startup it fires up the System Commander menu to select an OS. The last OS booted will autoboot after a timeout unless configured otherwise. It can boot anything, and recognized the BSD slice without my having to teach it (it can be taught for OSes like BeOS). Selecting FreeBSD brings up the FBSD bootloader that then allows selecting a kernel or setting options. Yeah, it's not free, but it just works with no headaches and no hassles. -- Parag Patel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 18:56:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15667 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:56:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA15622 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 01:56:19 GMT (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA28916; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:51:45 +1000 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:51:45 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199804220151.LAA28916@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: ejs@bfd.com, tom@uniserve.com Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, jayb@netjava.com, kline@tera.tera.com Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > LILO is a combination boot selector and boot loader for the kernel. I >don't care for it. Mainly because I can't choose a kernel and pass kernel >flags, without re-configuring LILO first. I don't care for it either, but it can pass kernel flags. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 19:05:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA18253 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:05:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA18120 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 02:05:24 GMT (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yRott-0006HS-00; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:04:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:04:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Bruce Evans cc: ejs@bfd.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, jayb@netjava.com, kline@tera.tera.com Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows In-Reply-To: <199804220151.LAA28916@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Bruce Evans wrote: > > LILO is a combination boot selector and boot loader for the kernel. I > >don't care for it. Mainly because I can't choose a kernel and pass kernel > >flags, without re-configuring LILO first. > > I don't care for it either, but it can pass kernel flags. Yes it can, but you need to re-configure LILO with the flags you want first. > Bruce Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 19:49:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25019 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:49:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA25012 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 02:49:20 GMT (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA31379; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:42:22 +1000 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:42:22 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199804220242.MAA31379@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, tom@uniserve.com Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows Cc: ejs@bfd.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, jayb@netjava.com, kline@tera.tera.com Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> > LILO is a combination boot selector and boot loader for the kernel. I >> >don't care for it. Mainly because I can't choose a kernel and pass kernel >> >flags, without re-configuring LILO first. >> >> I don't care for it either, but it can pass kernel flags. > > Yes it can, but you need to re-configure LILO with the flags you want >first. No, you can give flags (actually, environment strings) on the command line. The Linux BootPrompt HOWTO gives the example "LILO: linux root=/dev/hda1" where "LILO: " is the boot prompt. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 20:02:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26910 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:02:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from euthyphro.uchicago.edu (euthyphro.uchicago.edu [128.135.21.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA26854 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 03:01:58 GMT (envelope-from sfarrell@phaedrus.uchicago.edu) Received: from phaedrus.uchicago.edu (phaedrus [128.135.21.10]) by euthyphro.uchicago.edu (8.8.6/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA29746; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:01:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from sfarrell@localhost) by phaedrus.uchicago.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) id WAA04658; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 22:01:47 -0500 (CDT) To: Gary Kline Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows References: <199804211822.LAA27407@athena.tera.com> From: sfarrell+lists@farrell.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 21 Apr 1998 22:01:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: Gary Kline's message of "Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:22:49 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: <87zpheo8ys.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.3/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Gary Kline writes: > I've been meaning to ask the entire group the following > questions(s) about OS bootloaders, since it seems that > FBSD lacks a very powerful one. How hard would it be > for someone who understands this problem to write a loader > that would be powerful and configurable? how about GRUB? http://www.uruk.org/grub/ -- Steve Farrell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 20:55:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA03894 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:55:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles47.castles.com [208.214.165.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA03886 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 03:55:50 GMT (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA00315; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804220351.UAA00315@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: sfarrell+lists@farrell.org cc: Gary Kline , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows In-reply-to: Your message of "21 Apr 1998 22:01:47 CDT." <87zpheo8ys.fsf@phaedrus.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:51:57 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Gary Kline writes: > > > I've been meaning to ask the entire group the following > > questions(s) about OS bootloaders, since it seems that > > FBSD lacks a very powerful one. How hard would it be > > for someone who understands this problem to write a loader > > that would be powerful and configurable? > > how about GRUB? > > http://www.uruk.org/grub/ It uses a hardcoded block list to locate the boot1.5 component. Given that in the same space, we not only support FFS but bad144, I don't think it's that much of an improvement yet. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 21 23:32:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA29536 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:32:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from public.bta.net.cn (public.bta.net.cn [202.96.0.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA29382 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 06:31:50 GMT (envelope-from robinson@public.bta.net.cn) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by public.bta.net.cn (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA10099 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:30:56 +0800 (GMT) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:30:56 +0800 (GMT) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <199804220630.OAA10099@public.bta.net.cn> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ppbus drivers fail to probe under 2.2.5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I have downloaded the ppbus code (ppb1125.tgz), and installed it on my 2.2.5 system according to the instructions. The kernel builds with no errors, and runs normally, except that none of the ppbus controllers or drivers get probed at boot time. The "nm" command shows that the code (including probe functions) is in the running kernel, but it never seems to get called. Am I missing something obvious, or is this an obscure kernel abnormality? -Michael Robinson --------------------------------------------------------------------- from "/sys/i386/conf/TECRA": ##################################################################### # Parallel port stuff controller scbus0 # SCSI stuff device sd0 controller ppbus0 # ppbus stuff controller ppc0 at isa? port? irq 7 vector ppcintr controller vpo0 at ppbus? # Iomega ZIP support device nlpt0 at ppbus? # printer support device ppi0 at ppbus? # ppbus interface #device plip0 at ppbus0 # PLIP support #controller ppa0 at isa? port 0x378 # Obsolete #device lpt0 at isa? port? tty # Obsolete --------------------------------------------------------------------- from "nm /kernel": f0102508 t ___set_ppbdriver_set_sym_nlptdriver f0103098 t ___set_ppbdriver_set_sym_nulldriver f01022b4 t ___set_ppbdriver_set_sym_ppidriver f0103d74 t ___set_ppbdriver_set_sym_vpodriver f0102528 t _lpt_release_ppbus f010250c t _lpt_request_ppbus f01030bc T _ppb_alloc_bus f010369c T _ppb_attach_device f01035e8 T _ppb_attachdevs f0103980 T _ppb_ecp_sync f01038fc T _ppb_exec_microseq f01039a8 T _ppb_get_status f0103820 T _ppb_intr f0103678 T _ppb_lookup_bus f0103660 T _ppb_next_bus f01032e0 t _ppb_pnp_detect f0103860 T _ppb_poll_device f01037a4 T _ppb_release_bus f01036cc T _ppb_remove_device f01036f4 T _ppb_request_bus f0103958 T _ppb_reset_epp_timeout f0103928 T _ppb_set_mode f0220728 B _ppbdata f01ff9fc d _ppbdata_initted.116 f020e988 ? _ppbdriver_set f0208aa4 d _ppc_adapter f0208a10 d _ppc_avms f01db6ac t _ppc_check_epp_timeout f01dbf6c t _ppc_detect f01db37c t _ppc_detect_port f01db33c t _ppc_ecp_config f01db2c8 t _ppc_ecp_sync f0208a98 d _ppc_epp_protocol f01dc040 t _ppc_exec_microseq f01dbef4 t _ppc_generic_detect f01dc1b0 t _ppc_generic_setmode f01db0d4 t _ppc_insb_epp f01db11c t _ppc_insl_epp f01db0f8 t _ppc_insw_epp f0208a54 d _ppc_modes f01db068 t _ppc_outsb_epp f01db0b0 t _ppc_outsl_epp f01db08c t _ppc_outsw_epp f01db464 t _ppc_pc873xx_detect f01db170 t _ppc_rctr f01db140 t _ppc_rdtr f01db1a8 t _ppc_recr f01db18c t _ppc_repp f01dc1f0 t _ppc_reset_epp_timeout f01db1c4 t _ppc_rfifo f01db158 t _ppc_rstr f01db6ec t _ppc_smc37c66xgt_detect f02089e4 d _ppc_types f01db9d4 t _ppc_w83877f_detect f01db218 t _ppc_wctr f01db1e0 t _ppc_wdtr f01db250 t _ppc_wecr f01db234 t _ppc_wepp f01db270 t _ppc_wfifo f01db1fc t _ppc_wstr f01dc32c t _ppcattach f0217728 b _ppcdata f02089d0 D _ppcdriver f01db324 T _ppcintr f01dc230 t _ppcprobe f01ff940 d _ppi_cdevsw f01ff978 d _ppi_devsw_installed f01024c8 t _ppi_drvinit f0102364 t _ppiattach f01023ac t _ppiclose f020e9d8 b _ppidata f01ff97c d _ppidev_sys_init f01ff934 d _ppidriver f0102388 t _ppiintr f01023b4 t _ppiioctl f0102390 t _ppiopen f01022d0 t _ppiprobe f0103a30 F ppb_1284.o f0103820 F ppb_base.o f0103090 F ppbconf.o f01daf10 F ppc.o f01022b0 F ppi.o f018621c t ___set_sysctl__vfs_nfs_sym_sysctl___vfs_nfs_nfs_privport f0204124 d _nfs_privport f0185964 T _nfsm_srvpostopattr f01ffa60 d _nvpo f01861f0 t _sysctl___vfs_nfs_nfs_privport f0103d78 t _vpo_adapter_info f01047e0 t _vpo_detect f01ffa84 d _vpo_dev f0103f90 t _vpo_scsi_cmd f01ffa64 d _vpo_switch f0103e94 t _vpoattach f020ea18 b _vpodata f01ffae0 d _vpodriver f010447c t _vpoio_connect f0104200 t _vpoio_disconnect f0104c00 t _vpoio_do_scsi f0104704 t _vpoio_in_disk_mode f01049c8 t _vpoio_instr f010482c t _vpoio_outstr f010478c t _vpoio_reset f0103f54 t _vpominphys f0103db8 t _vpoprobe f0103d70 F vpo.o --------------------------------------------------------------------- from "dmesg": Copyright (c) 1992-1997 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE #0: Wed Apr 22 10:59:08 GMT 1998 root@sidewinder.bei.globalone.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/TECRA CPU: Pentium (132.63-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping=12 Features=0x1bf real memory = 33685504 (32896K bytes) avail memory = 30498816 (29784K bytes) Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0 rev 17 on pci0:0 vga0 rev 69 on pci0:4 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <8 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> psm0 at 0x60-0x64 irq 12 on motherboard psm0: device ID 0 pccard driver sio added sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 2067MB (4233600 sectors), 4200 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 on isa wdc1: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, accel, dma, ior dy wcd0: 1722Kb/sec, 128Kb cache, audio play, 255 volume levels, ejectable tray wcd0: 120mm data disc loaded, unlocked fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa scd0 not found at 0x230 pccard driver ep added ep0 not found at 0x300 npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface sb0 at 0x220 irq 7 drq 1 on isa sb0: apm0 on isa PC-Card Intel 82365 (5 mem & 2 I/O windows) pcic: controller irq 5 ccd0-3: Concatenated disk drivers Card inserted, slot 1 ep0: utp/bnc[*UTP*] address 00:60:08:92:07:57 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 01:17:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24193 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 01:17:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fw.tue.le (pC19F83D3.dip.t-online.de [193.159.131.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA24187 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:17:35 GMT (envelope-from thz@Lennartz-Electronic.DE) Received: from mezcal.tue.le (mezcal.tue.le [192.168.201.20]) by fw.tue.le (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14297 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:15:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from thz@mezcal.tue.le) Received: (from thz@localhost) by mezcal.tue.le (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04264; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:15:26 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from thz) Message-ID: <19980422091526.53196@tue.le> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:15:26 +0200 From: Thomas Zenker To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199804220013.RAA29620@mail2.sirius.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199804220013.RAA29620@mail2.sirius.com>; from Parag Patel on Tue, Apr 21, 1998 at 05:14:49PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, Apr 21, 1998 at 05:14:49PM -0700, Parag Patel wrote: > On 4/21/98 11:22 AM, Gary Kline (kline@tera.tera.com) said: > > I surrendered and spent $50 on a copy of System Commander. I wish I'd > bought a copy years ago. It can boot anything from any slice from any > disk. Nice. > > FYI, I setup a small DOS partition as disk 0 slice 0 - just enough to > hold DOS and System Commander. Then I installed various OSes (including You loose one of four slices. -- Thomas Zenker at work thz@lennartz-electronic.de private thz@tuebingen.netsurf.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 04:12:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18290 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 04:12:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18284 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:12:32 GMT (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id NAA12220; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:11:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:11:54 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Parag Patel Cc: "Gary Kline" , "Mike Smith" , , , Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows References: <199804220013.RAA29620@mail2.sirius.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 22 Apr 1998 13:11:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: Parag Patel's message of "Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:14:49 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Parag Patel writes: > On 4/21/98 11:22 AM, Gary Kline (kline@tera.tera.com) said: > > After 5 weeks of trying to dual-boot FBSD and Debian, I > > gave up. Shouldn't be this hard, but is. > I surrendered and spent $50 on a copy of System Commander. I wish I'd > bought a copy years ago. It can boot anything from any slice from any > disk. Nice. No, not nice. It`s a horrible hack and will crash and burn (not to mention fsck up your filesystems) if you have anything but the most conventional setup, because it makes assumptions about various operatings systems that just don`t hold. The Right Way (tm) to do this is assume nothing at all and pretend you weren`t there (POLA). -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 05:17:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29469 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 05:17:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from python.shoal.net.au (perrya@python.shoal.net.au [203.26.44.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29463 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:17:42 GMT (envelope-from perrya@python.shoal.net.au) Received: from localhost (perrya@localhost) by python.shoal.net.au (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA21808; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:17:25 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:17:25 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew To: Scot Elliott cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I believe there's another boot-loader on the FreeBSD CD-ROMs under /tools > called osbs. I've used the beta version for a while and it's quite a good > alternalive to the standard thing that /sysinstall puts on your disk. And > it's prettier too ;) > I've used something similar/a later version to boot my work machine between unixware and something else that I'll not mention. Have a look at http://www.freebird.org/sw-map.html and there's a link to bootmanager/osbs20b8.zip and a readme I installed it without any hassles and it's quite phd (push here dummy) which suits me just fine :-) Andrew Perry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 05:22:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA00923 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 05:22:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from athena.dorm.rutgers.edu (damascus@athena.dorm.rutgers.edu [165.230.188.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00874 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:22:43 GMT (envelope-from damascus@eden.rutgers.edu) Received: from localhost (damascus@localhost) by athena.dorm.rutgers.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id IAA01093 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:22:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:22:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Carroll Kong X-Sender: damascus@athena.dorm.rutgers.edu cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id MAA00882 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Whoa... totally not true here guys. I am new to the list, but I have been Quad Booting from Windows 95 / PC-DOS, Windows NT, FreeBSD, and Linux for quite some time. I will admit, running FreeBSD 3.0 and mounting ext2fs drives is bad bad news... at least mounting root drives. I must have missed a setting and it ripped some SUID bits for Linux. But overall, if you just mount stuff like the /home partition for linux under FreeBSD, the interoperability is great. (except for the fact that ONLY 3.0 can read fat, but it is supposed unstable, so I am putting back 2.2.6 on this box with the vfat patch... can anyone attest to 3.0 being stable - unstable, I know this is the wrong list for it.. but.. :) ) Unfortunately, the real key to success here is NT's bootloader. Since with it, all I need is a mere 512 byte sector from FreeBSD, which is pretty easy to do. (and a bit of partitioning knowledge). If anyone needs help ... I will be glad to help. I figure it should not be too bad with lilo either?!? Carroll Kong On 22 Apr 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > Parag Patel writes: > > On 4/21/98 11:22 AM, Gary Kline (kline@tera.tera.com) said: > > > After 5 weeks of trying to dual-boot FBSD and Debian, I > > > gave up. Shouldn't be this hard, but is. > > I surrendered and spent $50 on a copy of System Commander. I wish I'd > > bought a copy years ago. It can boot anything from any slice from any > > disk. Nice. > > No, not nice. It`s a horrible hack and will crash and burn (not to > mention fsck up your filesystems) if you have anything but the most > conventional setup, because it makes assumptions about various > operatings systems that just don`t hold. The Right Way (tm) to do this > is assume nothing at all and pretend you weren`t there (POLA). > > -- > Noone else has a .sig like this one. I agree 100%. System Commander is.... will I personally do not like it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 06:41:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11443 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 06:41:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11436 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:41:14 GMT (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from grotte.ifi.uio.no (2602@grotte.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.60]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id PAA08704; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:41:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by grotte.ifi.uio.no ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:41:08 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Carroll Kong Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Free BSD and Windows References: Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 22 Apr 1998 15:41:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: Carroll Kong's message of "Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:22:54 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id NAA11439 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Carroll Kong writes: > Whoa... totally not true here guys. I am new to the list, but I have Precisely. You are new to the list, and should have read the thread - or at least the message you replied to - with more care before following up. You are wildly off-topic. We are not discussing the feasability of runninge several operating systems on the same machine, but the quality of various multibooters. I have had very negative experiences with System Commander and will *not* recommend it to anybody under any circumstances. There are many alternatives; if we stick to commercial solutions, the OS/2 boot loader (which is also distributed with Partition Magic) is a good one. > On 22 Apr 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > > Parag Patel writes: > > > I surrendered and spent $50 on a copy of System Commander. I wish I'd > > > bought a copy years ago. It can boot anything from any slice from any > > > disk. Nice. > > No, not nice. It`s a horrible hack and will crash and burn (not to > > mention fsck up your filesystems) if you have anything but the most > > conventional setup, because it makes assumptions about various > > operatings systems that just don`t hold. The Right Way (tm) to do this > > is assume nothing at all and pretend you weren`t there (POLA). -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 11:27:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09099 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:27:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk (tweetie-pipex.online.barbour-index.co.uk [194.129.192.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09081 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:27:28 GMT (envelope-from scot@online.barbour-index.co.uk) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA16343 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:27:27 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from scot@online.barbour-index.co.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: tweetie.online.barbour-index.co.uk: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:27:26 +0100 (BST) From: Scot Elliott To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Security stuff with sysinstall Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi there. Just for information really... I just installed a 2.2.5-RELEASE version from CD. The web-counter package installs with the following permissions in /usr/local : drwxr-xr-x 3 nobody nogroup 512 Apr 22 16:57 www Of course, this means that if a CGI script is exploitable, it would be able to overwrite anything in my web hierachy. Same applies for /usr/local/www/cgi-bin. Bit of a mare. Was it supposed to be this way? Yours Scot. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)171 7046777 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 13:35:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13980 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:35:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rige.physik.fu-berlin.de (rige.physik.fu-berlin.de [160.45.33.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA13959 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:35:15 GMT (envelope-from thimm@rige.physik.fu-berlin.de) Received: (from thimm@localhost) by rige.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00367; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:35:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from thimm) Message-ID: <19980422223508.A27999@physik.fu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:35:08 +0200 From: Axel Thimm To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: sendmail in -stable and aliases Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I cannot say if this is general sendmail related or FreeBSD specific, as I only have a FreeBSD box to tamper with. On a three week old -stable system I get the following behaviour from sendmail: 1) If I add aliases to /etc/aliases and call newaliases thereafter, everything works as it should 2) If I make a new aliases file and wish sendmail to take both into account, by e.g. O AliasFile=/etc/aliases,/usr/local/etc/aliases or O AliasFile=/etc/aliases O AliasFile=/usr/local/etc/aliases then localy everything works again, but not for incoming mails from outside: > Apr 22 22:12:03 rige sendmail[29993]: WAA29993: ... User unknown where testing was defined as an alias in /usr/local/etc/aliases. telnet localhost 25 and vrfy also don't work. Have I done something wrong? Or is this a bug in sendmail.cf? On a related note I also have problems installing the majordomo aliases (I get a strange error from newaliases), which I posted on freebsd-ports. Thanks, Axel. -- Axel Thimm Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de Axel.Thimm@ifh.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 13:43:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16640 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:43:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16587 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:43:33 GMT (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00639; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804222038.NAA00639@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Axel Thimm cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sendmail in -stable and aliases In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:35:08 +0200." <19980422223508.A27999@physik.fu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:38:06 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > O AliasFile=/etc/aliases > O AliasFile=/usr/local/etc/aliases > > then localy everything works again, but not for incoming mails from outside: > > Apr 22 22:12:03 rige sendmail[29993]: WAA29993: ... User unknown Did you try restarting sendmail? > On a related note I also have problems installing the majordomo aliases (I get a > strange error from newaliases), which I posted on freebsd-ports. The port installs the alias file in an insecure fashion. The diagnostic from 'newaliases' makes this fairly clear. You need to change the ownership of the directory containing the alias file. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 13:44:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17375 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:44:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17270; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:44:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199804222044.NAA17270@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: sendmail in -stable and aliases In-Reply-To: <19980422223508.A27999@physik.fu-berlin.de> from Axel Thimm at "Apr 22, 98 10:35:08 pm" To: Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de (Axel Thimm) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Axel Thimm wrote: > I cannot say if this is general sendmail related or FreeBSD specific, as I only have a > FreeBSD box to tamper with. > > On a three week old -stable system I get the following behaviour from sendmail: > 1) If I add aliases to /etc/aliases and call newaliases thereafter, everything works as > it should > 2) If I make a new aliases file and wish sendmail to take both into account, by e.g. > > O AliasFile=/etc/aliases,/usr/local/etc/aliases on hub.freebsd.org, the mail server for all the freebsd mailing lists, we use: O AliasFile=/etc/aliases,/etc/majordomo.aliases > then localy everything works again, but not for incoming mails from outside: > > Apr 22 22:12:03 rige sendmail[29993]: WAA29993: ... User unknown works for incoming mail as well as local mail. > where testing was defined as an alias in /usr/local/etc/aliases. > telnet localhost 25 and vrfy also don't work. > > Have I done something wrong? Or is this a bug in sendmail.cf? > > On a related note I also have problems installing the majordomo aliases (I get a > strange error from newaliases), which I posted on freebsd-ports. please check you configuration. what are the permissions and ownerships on /usr/local/etc/aliases, /usr/local/etc, /usr/local, and /usr. they should be reasonable, so that only users that sendmail trusts can modify the aliases files. here's what we are using: drwxr-xr-x 10 root wheel 2048 Apr 22 07:39 /etc -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 39567 Mar 17 09:23 /etc/aliases -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 65536 Apr 15 09:32 /etc/aliases.db -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 46717 Apr 15 09:32 /etc/majordomo.aliases -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 81920 Apr 15 09:32 /etc/majordomo.aliases.db jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 13:54:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21532 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:54:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21435 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:54:29 GMT (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00756; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804222050.NAA00756@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Michael Robinson cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ppbus drivers fail to probe under 2.2.5 In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:30:56 +0800." <199804220630.OAA10099@public.bta.net.cn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:50:50 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I have downloaded the ppbus code (ppb1125.tgz), and installed it on my 2.2.5 > system according to the instructions. The kernel builds with no errors, and > runs normally, except that none of the ppbus controllers or drivers get probed > at boot time. The "nm" command shows that the code (including probe functions) > is in the running kernel, but it never seems to get called. Am I missing > something obvious, or is this an obscure kernel abnormality? ... > controller ppc0 at isa? port? irq 7 vector ppcintr ... > sb0 at 0x220 irq 7 drq 1 on isa > sb0: You have an IRQ conflict between the ppc and sb devices. You'll need to use Tsetup to move the sound hardware elsewhere, and update your config to suit. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 13:56:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22008 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:56:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from casper.haunt.com (casper.haunt.com [204.134.9.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA21894 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:55:53 GMT (envelope-from steve@casper.haunt.com) Received: (from steve@localhost) by casper.haunt.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02506 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:55:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from steve) From: Steven Jorgensen Message-Id: <199804222055.OAA02506@casper.haunt.com> Subject: buildworld fails in msun To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:55:52 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I was running a buildworld today after cvsup'ing, and it is failing in the lib/msun/src directory because the math.h in their is getting installed as the real math.h, and it has a declaration for cabs as extern double cabs __P((double)); Since cabs takse a struct of two doubles this is definately not correct, but I'm not sure why the math.h in include is not getting installed instead of this one. Any ideas? I ran this cvsup and compile after a completely clean install of 2.2.6, so I know nothing bogus is hanging around in my /usr/src directory. Steve -- --------------------------------------------------------- Steven Jorgensen steve@haunt.com --------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 14:04:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25393 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:04:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rige.physik.fu-berlin.de (rige.physik.fu-berlin.de [160.45.33.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25265; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:03:43 GMT (envelope-from thimm@rige.physik.fu-berlin.de) Received: (from thimm@localhost) by rige.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00560; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:03:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from thimm) Message-ID: <19980422230340.A415@physik.fu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:03:40 +0200 From: Axel Thimm To: Mike Smith , "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sendmail in -stable and aliases References: <19980422223508.A27999@physik.fu-berlin.de> <199804222038.NAA00639@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199804222038.NAA00639@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 01:38:06PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 01:38:06PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > Did you try restarting sendmail? No, I hadn't, and this was the cause of the grief. After a HUP sendmail behavied well again. > > On a related note I also have problems installing the majordomo aliases (I get a > > strange error from newaliases), which I posted on freebsd-ports. > > The port installs the alias file in an insecure fashion. The > diagnostic from 'newaliases' makes this fairly clear. You need to > change the ownership of the directory containing the alias file. This is also very correct. I just copied the majordomo aliases over to /etc and now they have all the protection they need. About the `restarting sendmail' trap: I had looked through the man pages and found nothing suggesting a restart. Should this be mentioned in newaliases at least? On the other hand there are some parts of sendmail.cf > # automatically rebuild the alias database? > #O AutoRebuildAliases implying that it might even be safe to not issue newaliases at all, if these entries had been uncommented. (But then this might be the reasin they are commented). Thanks for the *very* fast replies! You made my day (or better night on this part of the world). Regards, Axel. -- Axel Thimm Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de Axel.Thimm@ifh.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 14:18:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00561 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:18:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA00266; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:17:34 GMT (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yS6rZ-0000AT-00; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:15:29 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:15:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Axel Thimm cc: Mike Smith , "Jonathan M. Bresler" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sendmail in -stable and aliases In-Reply-To: <19980422230340.A415@physik.fu-berlin.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Axel Thimm wrote: > On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 01:38:06PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > Did you try restarting sendmail? > > No, I hadn't, and this was the cause of the grief. After a HUP sendmail behavied > well again. > > > > On a related note I also have problems installing the majordomo aliases (I get a > > > strange error from newaliases), which I posted on freebsd-ports. > > > > The port installs the alias file in an insecure fashion. The > > diagnostic from 'newaliases' makes this fairly clear. You need to > > change the ownership of the directory containing the alias file. > > This is also very correct. I just copied the majordomo aliases over to /etc and now > they have all the protection they need. > > About the `restarting sendmail' trap: I had looked through the man pages and found > nothing suggesting a restart. Should this be mentioned in newaliases at least? A HUP should not be required for newaliases. I'm thinking that you did not rebuild the secondary alias file properly, so sendmail did not notice the changes. > On the other hand there are some parts of sendmail.cf > > > # automatically rebuild the alias database? > > #O AutoRebuildAliases > > implying that it might even be safe to not issue newaliases at all, if these entries > had been uncommented. (But then this might be the reasin they are commented). This is different. This option means that sendmail will automagically rebuild aliases on the fly. This is not safe. newaliases is safe. > Thanks for the *very* fast replies! You made my day (or better night on this part of the > world). > > Regards, Axel. > -- > Axel Thimm Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de Axel.Thimm@ifh.de Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 14:28:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03571 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:28:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rige.physik.fu-berlin.de (rige.physik.fu-berlin.de [160.45.33.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03522; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:28:38 GMT (envelope-from thimm@rige.physik.fu-berlin.de) Received: (from thimm@localhost) by rige.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00840; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:28:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from thimm) Message-ID: <19980422232828.A757@physik.fu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:28:28 +0200 From: Axel Thimm To: Tom Cc: Mike Smith , "Jonathan M. Bresler" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sendmail in -stable and aliases References: <19980422230340.A415@physik.fu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Tom on Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 02:15:27PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 02:15:27PM -0700, Tom wrote: > On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Axel Thimm wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 01:38:06PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > > Did you try restarting sendmail? > > > > No, I hadn't, and this was the cause of the grief. After a HUP sendmail behavied > > well again. > [...] > > About the `restarting sendmail' trap: I had looked through the man pages and found > > nothing suggesting a restart. Should this be mentioned in newaliases at least? > > A HUP should not be required for newaliases. > > I'm thinking that you did not rebuild the secondary alias file properly, > so sendmail did not notice the changes. What else other than using `newaliases' should I have done (and I tried it a lot of times before posting)? A secondary aliases.db was created and was only taken into account for local mail delivery. The HUP activated also the alias expansion for incoming mails send from other hosts. This is repeatable with -stable sources from 3-Apr 98 (/etc properly updated, also). Axel. -- Axel Thimm Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de Axel.Thimm@ifh.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 14:46:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08920 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:46:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.2.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA08862 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:46:20 GMT (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3a) id OAA18835; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:33:30 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199804222133.OAA18835@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: sendmail in -stable and aliases To: Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de (Axel Thimm) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:33:29 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980422223508.A27999@physik.fu-berlin.de> from Axel Thimm at "Apr 22, 98 10:35:08 pm" Reply-to: chad@dcfinc.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I cannot say if this is general sendmail related or FreeBSD specific, > as I only have a FreeBSD box to tamper with. [snip] > then localy everything works again, but not for incoming mails from > outside: Apr 22 22:12:03 rige sendmail[29993]: WAA29993: > ... User unknown The big clue is that it works for outgoing and local mail, but not incoming. Your mailer spawns a new copy of sendmail for each delivery, and those will read the alias database(s) as they start. But incoming mail (TCP to port 25) connects to the daemon sendmail, which loaded it's idea of aliases at boot time. Stop and start the daemon version, and you should be fine. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 15:01:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11625 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:01:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA11619 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:01:15 GMT (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 0yS7Xp-00043z-00; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:59:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:59:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: chad@dcfinc.com cc: Axel Thimm , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sendmail in -stable and aliases In-Reply-To: <199804222133.OAA18835@freebie.dcfinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Chad R. Larson wrote: > > I cannot say if this is general sendmail related or FreeBSD specific, > > as I only have a FreeBSD box to tamper with. > [snip] > > then localy everything works again, but not for incoming mails from > > outside: Apr 22 22:12:03 rige sendmail[29993]: WAA29993: > > ... User unknown > > The big clue is that it works for outgoing and local mail, but not incoming. > Your mailer spawns a new copy of sendmail for each delivery, and those > will read the alias database(s) as they start. But incoming mail (TCP > to port 25) connects to the daemon sendmail, which loaded it's idea of > aliases at boot time. No. The alias database is queried when necessary. It is only opened when queried. The Bat book has a good dicussion of this, including what sendmail does if it trying to access the aliases database while newaliases is creating it. I think this is a bug in sendmail. It is probably forgetting to close the secondary aliases database, so it does not notice the new version. Remember, the primary aliases database does work properly. > Stop and start the daemon version, and you should be fine. Another tip: make sure your mail server is secured against unauthorized relaying. > -crl > -- > Chad R. Larson (CRL22) Brother, can you paradigm? > 602-953-1392 chad@dcfinc.com chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.com > DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 15:36:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19719 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:36:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (root@gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com [207.113.159.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA19687 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:36:01 GMT (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (root@sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.191]) by gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09908; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:31:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.194]) by sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28395; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA21410; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:31:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199804222231.PAA21410@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:31:42 -0700 In-Reply-To: Tom "Re: sendmail in -stable and aliases" (Apr 22, 2:59pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: Tom , chad@dcfinc.com Subject: Re: sendmail in -stable and aliases Cc: Axel Thimm , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Apr 22, 2:59pm, Tom wrote: } Subject: Re: sendmail in -stable and aliases } No. The alias database is queried when necessary. It is only opened } when queried. The Bat book has a good dicussion of this, including what } sendmail does if it trying to access the aliases database while newaliases } is creating it. } } I think this is a bug in sendmail. It is probably forgetting to close } the secondary aliases database, so it does not notice the new version. } Remember, the primary aliases database does work properly. Was the sendmail daemon restarted after the sendmail.cf was modified to add the secondary alias database? If the sendmail.cf was modified without restarting the daemon, then local mail will see the new alias database because sendmail will read the .cf file when it is invoked, but incoming mail will cause the sendmail daemon to fork a copy of itself that won't reread the .cf file and therefore won't know that the secondary alias database has been added to the .cf. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 16:51:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05438 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:51:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05310; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:51:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199804222351.QAA05310@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: sendmail in -stable and aliases In-Reply-To: <19980422230340.A415@physik.fu-berlin.de> from Axel Thimm at "Apr 22, 98 11:03:40 pm" To: Axel.Thimm@physik.fu-berlin.de (Axel Thimm) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Cc: mike@smith.net.au, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Axel Thimm wrote: > > About the `restarting sendmail' trap: I had looked through the man pages and found > nothing suggesting a restart. Should this be mentioned in newaliases at least? > > On the other hand there are some parts of sendmail.cf > > > # automatically rebuild the alias database? > > #O AutoRebuildAliases > > implying that it might even be safe to not issue newaliases at all, if these entries > had been uncommented. (But then this might be the reasin they are commented). no it does not imply that at all. rather some sites chose not to rebuild aliases automatically. automatic rebuilds slow sendmail down a little, auto rebuilds of large aliases files can slow things down noticeably. any time you change the sendmail.cf file, you must notify the sendmail daemon. you can notify sendmail by sending a HUP, if and only if sendmail was started with a fully quantified pathname (/usr/bin/sendmail not just sendmail). if it was started as "sendmail" (without the full pathname) you must kill the daemon first. then start it again. mb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 20:44:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA21054 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:44:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wcc.wcc.net (wcc.wcc.net [208.6.232.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA20876 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 03:43:18 GMT (envelope-from piquan@wcc.wcc.net) Received: from detlev.UUCP (tnt166.wcc.net [208.10.139.166]) by wcc.wcc.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07761; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:38:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01515; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:42:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from joelh) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:42:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199804230342.WAA01515@detlev.UUCP> To: ru@ucb.crimea.ua CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19980420141850.A27699@ucb.crimea.ua> (message from Ruslan Ermilov on Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:18:50 +0300) Subject: Re: make world newbie: how to build not in /usr/src From: Joel Ray Holveck Reply-to: joelh@gnu.org References: <199804201047.MAA27087@obsidian.noc.dfn.de> <19980420141850.A27699@ucb.crimea.ua> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> when I run make in /usr/src I get warnings that the object directory >> has not been changed. Apart from that, /usr/src isn't big enough to >> hold all compilation results. I've read all the READMEs I could find >> in /usr/src but it seems I'm missing the obvious. If someone could >> clue me in on how to compile with a readonly /usr/src... >> Thanks a bunch. > Why are you running ``make'' in /usr/src? > Read the head of /usr/src/Makefile for the list of user-driven targets. > Anyway, according to /usr/share/mk/bsd.obj.mk ``obj'' target will create > build directory in /usr/obj. This brings up another question... Is there a generally accepted way of only building what's changed since your last `make world'? I can handle occassional dependancy lossage, but I have a slow machine and would rather not have to put up with how long a `make world' takes. Best, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org - http://www.wp.com/piquan Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 20:54:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22365 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:54:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail-gw5.pacbell.net (mail-gw5.pacbell.net [206.13.28.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA22357 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 03:54:14 GMT (envelope-from oski@pacbell.net) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-207-215-85-122.scrm01.pacbell.net [207.215.85.122]) by mail-gw5.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id UAA28440; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <353EBA75.A2C3E61D@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:50:14 -0700 From: Michael Oski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Jorgensen CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: buildworld fails in msun References: <199804222055.OAA02506@casper.haunt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hey, I just checked progress of my "very first" make release and found the exact same error. So, it's definately not you... But the thing, which sucks more than anything has ever sucked before, is that after wrestling with cvs for two days trying to figure out why I wasn't checking out the full repository, I *finally* get the release actually building - then... barf... So assuming this is just requires a minor adjustment in the source, *my* three-penny question is: How do I restart the make release without having to rebuild everything that was successful? I'd really hate to have to start over again :-( Me! Steven Jorgensen wrote: > I was running a buildworld today after cvsup'ing, > and it is failing in the lib/msun/src directory > because the math.h in their is getting installed as > the real math.h, and it has a declaration for > cabs as > > extern double cabs __P((double)); > > Since cabs takse a struct of two doubles this > is definately not correct, but I'm not sure > why the math.h in include is not getting installed > instead of this one. Any ideas? I ran > this cvsup and compile after a completely clean > install of 2.2.6, so I know nothing bogus is > hanging around in my /usr/src directory. > > Steve > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------- > Steven Jorgensen steve@haunt.com > --------------------------------------------------------- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 21:52:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA01645 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:52:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from red.juniper.net (red.juniper.net [208.197.169.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01634 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:52:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pst@juniper.net) Received: from bplus.juniper.net (bplus.juniper.net [208.197.169.251]) by red.juniper.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24731; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bplus.juniper.net (localhost.juniper.net [127.0.0.1]) by bplus.juniper.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07756; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804230434.VAA07756@bplus.juniper.net> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, oski@pacbell.net, steve@capser.haunt.com Subject: Re: Michael Oski: Re: buildworld fails in msun In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:09:44 PDT." <27964.893304584@time.cdrom.com> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:34:48 -0700 From: Paul Traina Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Sorry, didn't see the problem when I did my make world (wierd). Fixing now. In message <27964.893304584@time.cdrom.com>, "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > Uhh.. Were you going to fix your breakage? > > ------- Forwarded Message > > Return-Path: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Received: from whisker.cdrom.com (whisker.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) > by time.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA27891 > for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:59:28 -0700 (P > DT) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) > Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) > by whisker.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA21893 > for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:59:03 -0700 (P > DT) > Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA23106; > Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:59:18 -0700 (PDT) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable) > Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:54:26 -0 > 700 > Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA22365 > for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:54:26 -0700 (PDT) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) > Received: from mail-gw5.pacbell.net (mail-gw5.pacbell.net [206.13.28.23]) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA22357 > for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 03:54:14 GMT > (envelope-from oski@pacbell.net) > Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-207-215-85-122.scrm01.pacbell.net [207.215.85 > .122]) by mail-gw5.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id UAA28440; > Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:53:22 -0700 (PDT) > Message-ID: <353EBA75.A2C3E61D@pacbell.net> > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:50:14 -0700 > From: Michael Oski > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: Steven Jorgensen > CC: stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: buildworld fails in msun > References: <199804222055.OAA02506@casper.haunt.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > Hey, I just checked progress of my "very first" make release and found > the exact same error. So, it's definately not you... > > But the thing, which sucks more than anything has ever sucked before, is > that after wrestling with cvs for two days trying to figure out why I > wasn't checking out the full repository, I *finally* get the release > actually building - then... barf... > > So assuming this is just requires a minor adjustment in the source, *my* > three-penny question is: How do I restart the make release without > having to rebuild everything that was successful? I'd really hate to > have to start over again :-( > > Me! > > Steven Jorgensen wrote: > > > I was running a buildworld today after cvsup'ing, > > and it is failing in the lib/msun/src directory > > because the math.h in their is getting installed as > > the real math.h, and it has a declaration for > > cabs as > > > > extern double cabs __P((double)); > > > > Since cabs takse a struct of two doubles this > > is definately not correct, but I'm not sure > > why the math.h in include is not getting installed > > instead of this one. Any ideas? I ran > > this cvsup and compile after a completely clean > > install of 2.2.6, so I know nothing bogus is > > hanging around in my /usr/src directory. > > > > Steve > > > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Steven Jorgensen steve@haunt.com > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > ------- End of Forwarded Message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 22 23:06:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA10785 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:06:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA10779 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:06:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from urnaza@wpi.edu) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id BAA25513 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 01:05:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wor-ma7-11.ix.netcom.com(206.217.145.139) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma025505; Thu Apr 23 01:05:20 1998 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:05:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Urnaza X-Sender: urnaza@cloud9 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cvs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello all, I resently took interest in FreeBSD, after being a avid x86 Unices user over the years. My question is rather simple, but I was unsure of it's answer even after reading through docs. After installing 2.2.6-RELEASE I of course want to obtain and run the most stable and bug free code possible. So in my cvs supfile do I want to use: tag=RELENG_2_2 or do I want to use tag=RELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE My first guess was tag=RELENG_2_2 ... because I figure the 2.2.6 tag is the src that already exists on my system. Is this correct? I just wanted to verify this before cvs started deleting src on my system. Thanx In Advance, - Jeff "Angel headed hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the machinery of the night" -Ginsberg P.L.U.R. * (P)eace * (L)ove * (U)nity * (R)espect * P.L.U.R. http://www.cloud9.dyn.ml.org #-------------------Important-Notice-To-All-Recipients-------------------# The entire physical universe, including this product, may one day collapse back into an infinitesimally small space. Should another universe subsequently and spontaneously re-emerge, the existence of this message in that universe cannot be guaranteed. #------------------------------------------------------------------------# -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNT7aHfaNGVDZj5npAQFSoQP8CwsJJssUC3qTR2dZ2wH2sWFx9GmExZpT Z0WPT4ZI+I01kfCO3X09G06ZI1IZtsR/qaaLnkKVe/VZV8G77J/yBW9Y9Uu+SCBs xu3a2QPyKQ+vj63VErzm5xMTECIjOUVxR6zFLvS8SAzCTO69ERxNduJbx9gCQsL9 lRpHeXPsfXs= =ORZt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 23 01:47:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00760 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 01:47:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tyree.iii.co.uk (tyree.iii.co.uk [195.89.149.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA00755 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 01:47:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@iii.co.uk) From: nik@iii.co.uk Received: from carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (carrig.strand.iii.co.uk [192.168.7.25]) by tyree.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04959; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:45:37 +0100 (BST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by carrig.strand.iii.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA10800; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:44:48 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980423094446.17806@iii.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:44:46 +0100 To: joelh@gnu.org Cc: ru@ucb.crimea.ua, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world newbie: how to build not in /usr/src References: <199804201047.MAA27087@obsidian.noc.dfn.de> <19980420141850.A27699@ucb.crimea.ua> <199804230342.WAA01515@detlev.UUCP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.85e In-Reply-To: <199804230342.WAA01515@detlev.UUCP>; from Joel Ray Holveck on Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 10:42:22PM -0500 Organization: interactive investor Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Wed, Apr 22, 1998 at 10:42:22PM -0500, Joel Ray Holveck wrote: > This brings up another question... Is there a generally accepted way > of only building what's changed since your last `make world'? make -DNOCLEAN world http://www.nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk/FreeBSD/make-world/make-world.html has a few useful things to say about this. N -- *DON'T DO THIS*. It is *BAD* engineering. *BAD* engineers *DESERVE* to be unemployed, living under park benches, and feeding off of slow moving pigeons. -- Terry Lambert, in comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 23 02:57:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA08486 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:57:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08414 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:56:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rkw@Dataplex.NET) Received: from [208.2.87.6] (user6.dataplex.net [208.2.87.6]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA02862; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 04:56:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) X-Sender: rkw@mail.dataplex.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 04:52:11 -0500 To: Jeff Urnaza From: Richard Wackerbarth Subject: Re: cvs Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 1:05 AM -0500 4/23/98, Jeff Urnaza wrote: > I resently took interest in FreeBSD, after being a avid x86 >Unices user over the years. My question is rather simple, but I was >unsure of it's answer even after reading through docs. After installing >2.2.6-RELEASE I of course want to obtain and run the most stable and bug >free code possible. So in my cvs supfile do I want to use: > >tag=RELENG_2_2 or do I want to use tag=RELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE > >My first guess was tag=RELENG_2_2 ... because I figure the 2.2.6 tag is >the src that already exists on my system. Is this correct? I just wanted >to verify this before cvs started deleting src on my system. "Yes. I believe he's got it." "Spot On" RELENG_2_2 is a branch tag. Using that tag, you get the latest version of the 2.2 branch. RELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE was a point along that branch when they cut a CD set. Richard Wackerbarth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 23 03:38:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA13675 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 03:38:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sun-test.hightek.com ([194.74.141.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA13670 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 03:38:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm2.hightek.com) Received: from klemm2.hightek.com ([195.90.203.76]) by sun-test.hightek.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with ESMTP id AAA13224 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:38:25 +0200 Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm2.hightek.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00745; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:38:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980423123824.08779@hightek.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:38:24 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: /usr/src/lib/msun/src/w_cabs.c:18: argument `z' doesn't match prototype Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi ! I get this error on FreeBSD-STABLE ... I cvsupped newly and checked out freshly, I even did a cd /usr/src make includes to make sure, that I don't use old headers... Andreas /// -- B&K Gruppe - Wuppertal phone +49 202 7399 - 170 fax +49 202 7399 - 100 http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 23 08:59:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23400 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:59:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23375 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:58:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id RAA01210 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:58:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:58:27 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: bin/1315 Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 23 Apr 1998 17:58:26 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Following a (two-year old) suggestion from Zahemszky Gabor, I have added a '-b' option to ls(1). When this option is used, ls will display unprintable characters in octal (in the form "\xxx"). Note that unlike e.g. Solaris, it will not use C escapes (e.g. \n for newline), just plain octal. So far, I've only committed this to current. Before I commit to stable, does anybody have any comments on this change, or requests for further changes? Should I make the -b option behave exactly as in AT&T Unices, or is it OK with just octal? -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 23 09:25:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01464 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:25:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.lanline.com (root@mail.lanline.com [206.152.160.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01359 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:25:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsecor@seqlogic.com) Received: from spaceball1.seqlogic.com (rtx01s14.lanline.com [206.152.172.206]) by mail.lanline.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11605; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005301bd6ed4$8818f120$ceac98ce@spaceball1.seqlogic.com> Reply-To: "Richard Secor" From: "Richard Secor" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Coidan_Sm=F8rgrav_?=" Cc: Subject: Re: bin/1315 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:26:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk wny not do both so that say -b1 uses octal and -b2 behaves like AT&T Unices ? -----Original Message----- From: Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Thursday, April 23, 1998 12:07 PM Subject: bin/1315 >Following a (two-year old) suggestion from Zahemszky Gabor, I have >added a '-b' option to ls(1). When this option is used, ls will >display unprintable characters in octal (in the form "\xxx"). Note >that unlike e.g. Solaris, it will not use C escapes (e.g. \n for >newline), just plain octal. > >So far, I've only committed this to current. Before I commit to >stable, does anybody have any comments on this change, or requests for >further changes? Should I make the -b option behave exactly as in AT&T >Unices, or is it OK with just octal? > >-- >Noone else has a .sig like this one. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 23 09:26:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01722 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:26:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw.jmrodgers.com (gw.jmrodgers.com [205.247.224.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01515 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:25:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from meuston@jmrodgers.com) Received: from max.jmrodgers.com (max.jmrodgers.com [205.247.224.209]) by gw.jmrodgers.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA17483; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:24:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from meuston@jmrodgers.com) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:24:22 -0400 Message-ID: <01BD6EB2.BF180B60.meuston@jmrodgers.com> From: Max Euston To: =?us-ascii?Q?=27Dag=2DErling_Coidan_Smorgrav_=27?= , "stable@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: bin/1315 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:24:21 -0400 Organization: J.M. Rodgers Co., Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thursday, April 23, 1998 11:58 AM, Dag-Erling Coidan Smorgrav [SMTP:dag-erli@ifi.uio.no] wrote: > Following a (two-year old) suggestion from Zahemszky Gabor, I have > added a '-b' option to ls(1). [snip] I was going to do this, you beat me to it! > So far, I've only committed this to current. Before I commit to > stable, does anybody have any comments on this change, or requests for > further changes? I have an outstanding PR bin/6140 that adds '-H' and '-P' options to ls(1). This should not conflict with yours except with the usage message and the 'getopts' call. Could you commit this change first or send me your diff and I will update my PR? Thanks, Max ----- Max Euston To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 23 09:41:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05458 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:41:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05407 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:41:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id SAA05984; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:40:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:40:56 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Max Euston Cc: =?us-ascii?Q?=27Dag=2DErling_Coidan_Smorgrav_=27?= , "stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: bin/1315 References: <01BD6EB2.BF180B60.meuston@jmrodgers.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 23 Apr 1998 18:40:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: Max Euston's message of "Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:24:21 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Max Euston writes: > I have an outstanding PR bin/6140 that adds '-H' and '-P' options to ls(1). > This should not conflict with yours except with the usage message and the > 'getopts' call. Could you commit this change first or send me your diff > and I will update my PR? I will take a look at your changes and commit them if they seem sound. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 23 23:27:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01299 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:27:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mh2.cts.com (root@mh2.cts.com [205.163.24.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01281 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:27:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mdavis@io.cts.com) Received: from io.cts.com (io.cts.com [198.68.174.34]) by mh2.cts.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA14331 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mdavis@localhost) by io.cts.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24973 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:27:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mdavis) From: Morgan Davis Message-Id: <199804240627.XAA24973@io.cts.com> Subject: 2.2.6 sees a PPro 333 as a 233 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:27:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Is it a known problem that 2.2.6-RELEASE would see a Pentium Pro 333Mhz as a "233.86-MHz 686-class CPU"? After booting, BIOS post messages say it's 333MHz, but dmesg says otherwise. If this is not a known problem with kernel code, what might the problem be? Thanks. --Morgan Davis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 23 23:46:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA04868 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:46:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from implode.root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04814 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:45:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01923; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804240644.XAA01923@implode.root.com> To: Morgan Davis cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.6 sees a PPro 333 as a 233 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:27:03 PDT." <199804240627.XAA24973@io.cts.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:44:10 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Is it a known problem that 2.2.6-RELEASE would see a Pentium Pro >333Mhz as a "233.86-MHz 686-class CPU"? After booting, BIOS post >messages say it's 333MHz, but dmesg says otherwise. > >If this is not a known problem with kernel code, what might the >problem be? It's not a known problem. I put together a PII/333 a few weeks ago and it was identified properly during the FreeBSD boot. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 01:15:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA19757 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:15:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sun-test.hightek.com ([194.74.141.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA19696 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:14:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm2.hightek.com) Received: from klemm2.hightek.com ([195.90.203.76]) by sun-test.hightek.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with ESMTP id AAA25803 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:14:52 +0200 Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm2.hightek.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA03834; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:14:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980424101451.37947@hightek.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:14:51 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: HEADS UP PLEASE, since three days make world breakage... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi ! I'm trying to get a 2.2.5 production server to 2.2-STABLE. Three times I had compile problems. Even a checkout of RELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE brought the necessarity of removing 2 subdirs from 2 Makefiles, because the subdirs have been brought into the Attic I think. Now I get this... /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/link.h:189: conflicting types for `dlopen' I'm trying since three days to get a 2.2-STABLE system compiled by "make world". usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/../i386/mdprologue.S cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/.. -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/../i386 -fpic -fno-function-cse -DRTLD -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/rtld.c In file included from /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/rtld.c:59: /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/link.h:189: conflicting types for `dlopen' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/dlfcn.h:54: previous declaration of `dlopen' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/link.h:191: conflicting types for `dlsym' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/dlfcn.h:55: previous declaration of `dlsym' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/link.h:192: conflicting types for `dlerror' /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/dlfcn.h:56: previous declaration of `dlerror' *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 -- B&K Gruppe - Wuppertal phone +49 202 7399 - 170 fax +49 202 7399 - 100 http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 01:50:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA25106 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:50:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA25050 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:49:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id KAA27188; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:49:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:49:55 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Morgan Davis Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.6 sees a PPro 333 as a 233 References: <199804240627.XAA24973@io.cts.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 24 Apr 1998 10:49:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: Morgan Davis's message of "Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:27:03 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Morgan Davis writes: > Is it a known problem that 2.2.6-RELEASE would see a Pentium Pro > 333Mhz as a "233.86-MHz 686-class CPU"? After booting, BIOS post > messages say it's 333MHz, but dmesg says otherwise. Now when the h* did Intel start shipping 300+ MHz PPro chips? PII certainly, but no PPro I know of runs over 200 MHz unless overclocked. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 02:23:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03478 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:23:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sun-test.hightek.com ([194.74.141.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA03469 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:23:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm2.hightek.com) Received: from klemm2.hightek.com ([195.90.203.76]) by sun-test.hightek.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with ESMTP id AAA26759; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:23:39 +0200 Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm2.hightek.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14705; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:23:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980424112338.53181@hightek.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:23:38 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: John Saunders , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP PLEASE, since three days make world breakage... References: <19980424101451.37947@hightek.com> <35405375.CE66773@scitec.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <35405375.CE66773@scitec.com.au>; from John Saunders on Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 06:55:17PM +1000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 06:55:17PM +1000, John Saunders wrote: > Did you make your world with -DCLOBBER? No. > I tend to do that to pick up any include file changes. Ok, thanks, will try that ! -- B&K Gruppe - Wuppertal phone +49 202 7399 - 170 fax +49 202 7399 - 100 http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 03:01:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA09153 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:01:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sun-test.hightek.com ([194.74.141.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA09088 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:00:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm2.hightek.com) Received: from klemm2.hightek.com ([195.90.203.76]) by sun-test.hightek.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with ESMTP id AAA27187 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:58:22 +0200 Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm2.hightek.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09009; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:58:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980424115821.65510@hightek.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:58:21 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk After finishing a make buildworld on another system (2.2-STABLE) a make installworld brings: -------------------------------------------------------------- Re-scanning the shared libraries.. -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/src && ldconfig -R -------------------------------------------------------------- Rebuilding man page indexes -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/src/share/man && /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin/make makedb makewhatis /usr/share/man gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe -- B&K Gruppe - Wuppertal phone +49 202 7399 - 170 fax +49 202 7399 - 100 http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 03:44:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA13843 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:44:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA13838; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 03:44:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from gjallarhorn.ifi.uio.no (2602@gjallarhorn.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.40]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id MAA15859; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:44:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by gjallarhorn.ifi.uio.no ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:44:11 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ls Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 24 Apr 1998 12:44:11 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk current's ls now accepts three new options: -? Display a short list of options (this was already in the code, but was left out from the call to getopt) -B Display all unprintable characters in octal (\xxx) -b As -B, but use C escape codes when possible (as in AT&T Unices) Note that -b currently doesn't behave *exactly* like it does on AT&T Unices, but I'm working on that, using Solaris 2.5.1 for reference. I'll look through (and probably commit) Max Euston's patches (-H and -P, see bin/6140) later today or this weekend, and merge everything into stable at some point during the next week unless somebody strongly objects. Any comments / suggestions? -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 04:05:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA17528 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:05:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17507 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:05:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from gjallarhorn.ifi.uio.no (2602@gjallarhorn.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.40]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id NAA19272; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:05:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by gjallarhorn.ifi.uio.no ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:05:04 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Klemm Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe References: <19980424115821.65510@hightek.com> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 24 Apr 1998 13:05:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: Andreas Klemm's message of "Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:58:21 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Andreas Klemm writes: > After finishing a make buildworld on another system > (2.2-STABLE) a make installworld brings: > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Re-scanning the shared libraries.. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > cd /usr/src && ldconfig -R > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Rebuilding man page indexes > -------------------------------------------------------------- > cd /usr/src/share/man && /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin/make makedb > makewhatis /usr/share/man > > gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe > [...] Well, at least you needn't worry about reinstalling; everything is there. But it seems that makewhatis had some trouble. Check your system logs; my bet is that $TMPDIR went full. Try running makewhatis manually and see what you get. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 06:07:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA00779 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:07:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from murkwood.gaffaneys.com (dialup5.gaffaneys.com [208.155.161.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA00770 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:06:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zach@gaffaneys.com) Received: (from zach@localhost) by murkwood.gaffaneys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01006; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:06:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from zach) Message-ID: <19980424080628.15375@gaffaneys.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:06:28 -0500 From: Zach Heilig To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: reboot after panic: free vnode isn't Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Yesterday, I did a make world, then recompiled my -stable kernel, and rebooted. After shutdown to reboot, I replaced the cpu (p5-166/mmx with a k6-233) and removed an unused card. It booted fine, and I started another make world to test. About ~1.5 hours into the build, the machine locked up (I was in X, it probably dropped to the debugger). I set the memory timings the next speed slower (assuming the p5->k6 may have affected something there), and started another make world (in text mode). After a couple hours, I returned to see the progress, and found "reboot after panic: free vnode isn't" and the normal boot sequence. I am about to reboot the old kernel and see if that works better. I am curious if the k6 might possibly be the culprit? -- Zach Heilig -- zach@gaffaneys.com Real Programs don't use shared text. Otherwise, how can they use functions for scratch space after they are finished calling them? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 07:33:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08977 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:33:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (spinner.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08970; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:33:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from spinner.netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spinner.netplex.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Spinner) with ESMTP id WAA14634; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:32:49 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@spinner.netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <199804241432.WAA14634@spinner.netplex.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ls In-reply-to: Your message of "24 Apr 1998 12:44:11 +0200." Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:32:47 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= wrote: > current's ls now accepts three new options: > > -? Display a short list of options (this was already in the code, but > was left out from the call to getopt) Umm.. getopt() cannot have a ? option. It's what it returns if it doesn't recognize the given arg. while ((c = getopt("abc")) != 1) { switch (c) { case 'a': .. case 'b': .. case 'c': .. case '?': warnx("unknown option '%c' supplied", optopt); usage(); default: warnx("unknown return from getopt()"); ... } } So, "default" is normally a programming error - ie: a character is supplied in the optstring but not handled in the switch statement. "?" is what getopt returns when the user supplies an arg that is not known to getopt at all. I'd suggest removing the '?' from the optstring again.. 'some_cmd -?' will always return '?' from getopt() (by definition), regardless of whether it is listed or not. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm Netplex Consulting To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 07:45:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA11856 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:45:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from huset.math.ntnu.no (huset.math.ntnu.no [129.241.211.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA11844 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:45:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arnej@stud.math.ntnu.no) Message-Id: <199804241445.HAA11844@hub.freebsd.org> Received: (qmail 27416 invoked from network); 24 Apr 1998 14:45:23 -0000 Received: from huset.math.ntnu.no (HELO stud.math.ntnu.no) (129.241.211.212) by huset.math.ntnu.no with SMTP; 24 Apr 1998 14:45:23 -0000 To: aklemm@hightek.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP PLEASE, since three days make world breakage... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:14:51 +0200" References: <19980424101451.37947@hightek.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.54 on Emacs 19.34.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:45:23 +0200 From: Arne Henrik Juul Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I'm trying to get a 2.2.5 production server to 2.2-STABLE. > > Three times I had compile problems. Hmm, I've been cvsup'ing and using the RELENG_2_2 branch for some time on my main FreeBSD compile server, with no problems like this. > Even a checkout of RELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE brought the necessarity of > removing 2 subdirs from 2 Makefiles, because the subdirs have been > brought into the Attic I think. Hmm, I just did cvs -d /usr/cvs co -r RELENG_2_2_6_RELEASE src and had no problem with that, at least. > Now I get this... > > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/link.h:189: conflicting types for `dlopen' Hmm... I'm not sure that I understand this... where does /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp come into the picture? Is this just a normal 'make', and what environment variables do you have set (DESTDIR or similar?) > cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/.. -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/../i386 -fpic -fno-function-cse -DRTLD -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/rtld.c > In file included from /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/rtld.c:59: > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/link.h:189: conflicting types for `dlopen' > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/dlfcn.h:54: previous declaration of `dlopen' [...etc...] This is what it looks like for me, when I do a make in /sd/226/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld, with DESTDIR=/sd/226/built set. cc -O -I/sd/226/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/.. -I/sd/226/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld -I/sd/226/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/../i386 -fpic -fno-function-cse -DRTLD -I/sd/226/built/usr/include -c /sd/226/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/rtld.c /sd/226/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/rtld.c:210: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type /sd/226/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/rtld.c:210: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type /sd/226/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/rtld.c:210: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type /sd/226/src/gnu/usr.bin/ld/rtld/rtld.c:211: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type no problem, in my main /usr/src tree (which is yesterday's RELENG_2_2) even the warnings are gone. Both link.h and dlfcn.h have: $ grep dlopen /usr/include/link.h /usr/include/dlfcn.h /usr/include/link.h: void *(*dlopen) __P((const char *, int)); /* NONE */ /usr/include/link.h:extern void *dlopen __P((const char *, int)); /usr/include/dlfcn.h: * Modes for dlopen(). /usr/include/dlfcn.h:void *dlopen __P((const char *, int)); The const's seem to have been added at the same time: revision 1.5 date: 1997/11/22 03:34:46; author: brian; state: Exp; lines: +3 -3 const correctness for dl*() revision 1.15 date: 1997/11/22 03:34:39; author: brian; state: Exp; lines: +8 -8 const correctness for dl*() Are you sure you've done your "make includes" correctly? - Arne H. J. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 07:48:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA12477 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:48:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sun-test.hightek.com ([194.74.141.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA12121 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:47:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andreas@klemm2.hightek.com) Received: from klemm2.hightek.com ([195.90.203.76]) by sun-test.hightek.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with ESMTP id AAA1000; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:46:58 +0200 Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm2.hightek.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03102; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:46:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andreas) Message-ID: <19980424164657.00582@hightek.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:46:57 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: Arne Henrik Juul , aklemm@hightek.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP PLEASE, since three days make world breakage... References: <19980424101451.37947@hightek.com> <199804241445.QAA03083@klemm2.hightek.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1i In-Reply-To: <199804241445.QAA03083@klemm2.hightek.com>; from Arne Henrik Juul on Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 04:45:23PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 04:45:23PM +0200, Arne Henrik Juul wrote: > Are you sure you've done your "make includes" correctly? Hmm, I removed everything in /usr/include and created it newly ... Now it works ... puh ... Thanks for your thoughts ! -- B&K Gruppe - Wuppertal phone +49 202 7399 - 170 fax +49 202 7399 - 100 http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 07:58:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA13846 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:58:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns1.webbernet.net (root@dns1.webbernet.net [206.137.184.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA13832 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 07:58:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sek@superiorcam.com) Received: from incad1.superiorcam.com (cust136.webbernet.net [208.205.95.136]) by dns1.webbernet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03145 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from supsvr.superiorcam.com (supsvr.superiorcam.com [192.0.0.2]) by incad1.superiorcam.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA00606 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seknb.superiorcam.com (incad5.superiorcam.com [192.0.0.5]) by supsvr.superiorcam.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA07594 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:31:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen Krzywicki" To: Subject: Digital 21143-PC network drivers Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:32:50 -0400 Message-ID: <01bd6f8d$dbb22900$050000c0@seknb.superiorcam.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I just downloaded FreeBSD stable to setup some new systems, the current release I'm running on most of my boxes is a stable release from 2.2-970921-RELENG. One problem I had with the 970921 release was the DE network drivers. To get around this in 2.2-970921-RELENG I downloaded a updated driver from some other site. My question is why isn't a working DE driver in the stable release yet? With my current cards, 21143-PC, FreeBSD thinks they running on 100Mbs, not 10Mbs like the hub they're connected to. Steve Krzywicki NoSpaMsek@superiorcam.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 08:06:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15683 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:06:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.missouri.edu (mail.missouri.edu [128.206.2.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15674 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:06:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rich@chumbly.math.missouri.edu) Received: from chumbly.math.missouri.edu (chumbly.math.missouri.edu [128.206.72.12]) by mail.missouri.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA80108 for <@mail.missouri.edu:freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:06:39 -0500 Received: by chumbly.math.missouri.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG id KAA10881; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:06:34 -0500 From: rich@chumbly.math.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel) Message-Id: <199804241506.KAA10881@chumbly.math.missouri.edu> Subject: Fdisk problems with 9GB scsi disk To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:06:34 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'm running 2.2.5 stable with an adaptec 2940 UW and a seagate ST39173W, which is not for booting. The disk has 7520 cyls and 10 heads, according to the manual. dmesg says it has 17783240 sectors. Fdisk says: "A geometry of 7503/10/237 for sd2 is incorrect. Using a more likely geometry" It uses 1106cyl/255trk/63sec which gives 17767890 sectors. Close enough. I assigned the whole disk to fbsd. When I attempted to run disklabel from /stand/sysinstall, it bombed with no error messages I could catch. So I ran "disklabel -r /dev/rsd2 >proto" and edited the file. ---------- type: SCSI disk: sd2s1 label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 63 tracks/cylinder: 255 sectors/cylinder: 16065 cylinders: 1106 sectors/unit: 17783240 rpm: 7200 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 17767827 64 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0*- 1106*) c: 17783240 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 1106*) --------- I just added the A partition and fixed the rpm. It updated the label fine, but when when I do a newfs, I get Warning: 622 sector(s) in last cylinder unallocated /dev/rsd2a: 17767826 sectors in 4338 cylinders of 1 tracks, 4096 sectors 8675.7MB in 272 cyl groups (16 c/g, 32.00MB/g, 7680 i/g) Newfs thinks it has 1 track/cyl. Is there any rhyme or reason to the above? Should I just ignore the geometry numbers and let it think what it wants? Will I run into problems down the road? It would be nice if newfs agreed with disklabel ... By the way, what do the asterisks mean in the partition cyl lines? I assumed it meant the partition boundary is not on a cyl boundary... Thanks for any advice! Rich To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 08:38:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA21465 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:38:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from murkwood.gaffaneys.com (dialup5.gaffaneys.com [208.155.161.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA21453 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:38:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zach@gaffaneys.com) Received: (from zach@localhost) by murkwood.gaffaneys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18460; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:38:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from zach) Message-ID: <19980424103802.40364@gaffaneys.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:38:02 -0500 From: Zach Heilig To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: reboot after panic: free vnode isn't References: <19980424080628.15375@gaffaneys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <19980424080628.15375@gaffaneys.com>; from Zach Heilig on Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 08:06:28AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 08:06:28AM -0500, Zach Heilig wrote: > I am about to reboot the old kernel and see if that works better. I am > curious if the k6 might possibly be the culprit? Make world just finished without problems with k6/233 and old (March 27) kernel. It crashed twice when running April 23 kernel. Just in case it was an accident that the old kernel worked with the new CPU, I am going to make world several more times today (with the March 27 kernel). -- Zach Heilig -- zach@gaffaneys.com Real Programs don't use shared text. Otherwise, how can they use functions for scratch space after they are finished calling them? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 09:25:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA29420 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:25:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29404 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 09:25:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA29475; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 02:20:32 +1000 Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 02:20:32 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199804241620.CAA29475@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, rich@chumbly.math.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Fdisk problems with 9GB scsi disk Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >I'm running 2.2.5 stable with an adaptec 2940 UW and a seagate >ST39173W, which is not for booting. >The disk has 7520 cyls and 10 heads, according to the manual. >dmesg says it has 17783240 sectors. >Fdisk says: >"A geometry of 7503/10/237 for sd2 is incorrect. Using a more likely geometry" >It uses 1106cyl/255trk/63sec which gives 17767890 sectors. Close enough. >I assigned the whole disk to fbsd. Apparently not the first "track" of 63 cylinders. >When I attempted to run disklabel from /stand/sysinstall, it bombed >with no error messages I could catch. I don't know what caused this. >So I ran "disklabel -r /dev/rsd2 >proto" and edited the file. >---------- >type: SCSI >disk: sd2s1 >label: >flags: >bytes/sector: 512 >sectors/track: 63 >tracks/cylinder: 255 >sectors/cylinder: 16065 >cylinders: 1106 >sectors/unit: 17783240 >rpm: 7200 >interleave: 1 >trackskew: 0 >cylinderskew: 0 >headswitch: 0 # milliseconds >track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds >drivedata: 0 > >8 partitions: ># size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] > a: 17767827 64 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0*- 1106*) > c: 17783240 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 1106*) >--------- >I just added the A partition and fixed the rpm. >It updated the label fine, but when when I do a newfs, I get >Warning: 622 sector(s) in last cylinder unallocated >/dev/rsd2a: 17767826 sectors in 4338 cylinders of 1 tracks, 4096 sectors > 8675.7MB in 272 cyl groups (16 c/g, 32.00MB/g, 7680 i/g) > >Newfs thinks it has 1 track/cyl. Is there any rhyme or reason to the above? >Should I just ignore the geometry numbers and let it think what it wants? >Will I run into problems down the road? >It would be nice if newfs agreed with disklabel ... >By the way, what do the asterisks mean in the partition cyl lines? >I assumed it meant the partition boundary is not on a cyl boundary... This is all correct. The label is weird but should work if it is applied to the whole disk (not the whole disk less 63 sectors, possibly rounded to a cylinder boundary) (it has size 1106*255*63 - 63, which is correct if it is to go on a slice of this size, and sysinstall probably wants to create such a slice. It has offset 64, which is weird. 0 is normal and 63 makes some sense. Since it is nonzero, the partition won't fit on a slice of size 1106*255*63 - 63; the slice size needs to be at least 1106*255*63 + 1). A similar but more natural label for the whole disk would make the A partition have the same base and offset as the C partition. The warning is due to rounding of block bitmaps to an 8K block boundary. By default, newfs ignores everything in the disk label except the size. It invents a geometry with 1 big track/cyl. This geometry often disagrees with the geometry invented by fdisk, so rounding to an fdisk "cylinder" boundary often gives a partial last "cylinder" in newfs if you use one partition for the whole disk. Yes, the asterisks mean that the partition boundaries are not "cylinder" boundaries, where yet another geometry (the one in the label) determines what a cylinder is. By default, this geometry is only used to move the asterisks around. It is used by newfs if newfs is invoked with options '-t 0 -u 0'. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 10:18:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA06355 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:18:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (softweyr@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05914 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:17:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from softweyr@xmission.xmission.com) Received: (from softweyr@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.8/8.7.5) id LAA06488; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:14:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Wes Peters - Softweyr LLC Message-Id: <199804241714.LAA06488@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Re: Digital 21143-PC network drivers To: sek@superiorcam.com (Stephen Krzywicki) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <01bd6f8d$dbb22900$050000c0@seknb.superiorcam.com> from "Stephen Krzywicki" at Apr 24, 98 10:32:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Steve Krzywicki lamented: > To get around this in 2.2-970921-RELENG I downloaded a > updated driver from some other site. > > My question is why isn't a working DE driver in the stable release yet? Did you check with the "other site" to see if they had submitted their driver changes? Are their drivers still in development, or test? Are they copyright such that they cannot be included? I'd say you should take this up with the writers of the drive you are using, if you're pleased with it. Please acquire network cards with 21140, 21141, 21040, and 21041 chips and make sure the driver doesn't break backwards compatibility (with my 21041-AA card, for instance) before submitting it. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 11:38:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26015 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:38:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25950 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:38:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00897; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804241834.LAA00897@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Zach Heilig cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: reboot after panic: free vnode isn't In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:06:28 CDT." <19980424080628.15375@gaffaneys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:34:51 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > After shutdown to reboot, I replaced the cpu (p5-166/mmx with a k6-233) and > removed an unused card. It booted fine, and I started another make world to > test. About ~1.5 hours into the build, the machine locked up (I was in X, > it probably dropped to the debugger). All the usual questions: - Did you reconfigure the motherboard, specifically timing and power? - Do you have the most enormous honking heatsink and fan you have ever seen on your K6? The K6 is *extremely* dependant on good cooling, much more so than any Intel P5. Using a "normal" socket-7 cooler on one is not adequate. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 11:45:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28753 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:45:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28730 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:45:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00948; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804241841.LAA00948@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Morgan Davis cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.2.6 sees a PPro 333 as a 233 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:27:03 PDT." <199804240627.XAA24973@io.cts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:41:32 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Is it a known problem that 2.2.6-RELEASE would see a Pentium Pro > 333Mhz as a "233.86-MHz 686-class CPU"? After booting, BIOS post > messages say it's 333MHz, but dmesg says otherwise. No currently released Pentium Pro products run at 333MHz. It is generally possible to overclock Pentium Pros to 233MHz. > If this is not a known problem with kernel code, what might the > problem be? If the device is indeed a Pentium Pro, then there may be a bug in your BIOS. Note that Pentium II processors are also identified as Pentium Pros, and these are available in 333MHz grades. If you have a PII which your BIOS is claiming runs at 333MHz, but the boot-time calibration reports 233MHz, then you have either: - motherboard jumpers set incorrectly, confusing the BIOS. - a BIOS bug. - a motherboard bug. - faulty motherboard timekeeping hardware. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 12:02:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02568 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:02:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [209.47.148.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02419; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:01:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.8.8/8.7.5) with SMTP id PAA27498; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:02:00 -0400 (EDT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Odd SCSI problem in 2.2-STABLE... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi... On one of our 2.2-STABLE servers, we get this message if we try to do a 'reboot' on the machine: ahc0 rev 1 int a irq 11 on pci0:11 ahc0: aic7860 Single Channel, SCSI Id=7, 3 SCBs ahc0: board is not responding (ahc0:0:0): SCB 0x0 - timed out while idle, LASTPHASE == 0x1, SCSISIGI == 0x0 SEQADDR = 0x162 SCSISEQ = 0x12 SSTAT0 = 0x4 SSTAT1 = 0x0 (ahc0:0:0): Queueing an Abort SCB ahc0: board is not responding cmd fail (ahc0:0:0): SCB 0x1 timedout while recovery in progress (ahc0:0:0): "unknown unknown ????" type 13 fixed SCSI 0 uk0(ahc0:0:0): Unknown ahc0: board is not responding (ahc0:0:1): SCB 0x2 timedout while recovery in progress We have to physically shut everything down and then turn it all back on again in order to get it to work... Has anyone seen this before? Any way to fix it? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 13:08:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17257 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:08:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ifi.uio.no (0@ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17203; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:07:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id WAA24247; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:07:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:07:52 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Wemm Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ls References: <199804241432.WAA14634@spinner.netplex.com.au> Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse / KRST / PUMS / YASMW X-url: http://www.stud.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ X-Stop-Spam: http://www.cauce.org From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= ) Date: 24 Apr 1998 22:07:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: Peter Wemm's message of "Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:32:47 +0800" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Peter Wemm writes: > Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= wrote: > > -? Display a short list of options (this was already in the code, but > > was left out from the call to getopt) > Umm.. getopt() cannot have a ? option. It's what it returns if it > doesn't recognize the given arg. Doh. Teach me to read the manual. -- Noone else has a .sig like this one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 15:45:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17486 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:45:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from infowest.com (infowest.com [204.17.177.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17462; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:44:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from agifford@infowest.com) Received: from infowest.com ([207.49.62.253]) by infowest.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06721; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:44:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <354115BC.B41113BE@infowest.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:44:12 +0000 From: "Aaron D. Gifford" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 2.2.6-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Out via tun0 and in via ep0??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello, Is there any easy way to configure a FreeBSD system so that ALL outgoing packets are sent out via the tun0 (PPP) interface? All imcoming packets will be coming via the ep0 (3Com Ethernet) interface. What I need is for the OUTGOING packets to use the ep0 interface IP address as the SOURCE address, that way the return packets will come via the ep0 interface. Why, you may ask? I hope to test a cable modem that attaches via ethernet and use a standard analog modem as the return channel. Thanks, Aaron out. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 15:47:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17961 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:47:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from murkwood.gaffaneys.com (dialup10.gaffaneys.com [208.155.161.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17937 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 15:47:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zach@gaffaneys.com) Received: (from zach@localhost) by murkwood.gaffaneys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA01276; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:46:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from zach) Message-ID: <19980424174655.54801@gaffaneys.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:46:55 -0500 From: Zach Heilig To: Mike Smith Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: reboot after panic: free vnode isn't References: <19980424080628.15375@gaffaneys.com> <199804241834.LAA00897@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199804241834.LAA00897@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 11:34:51AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 11:34:51AM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > All the usual questions: > > - Did you reconfigure the motherboard, specifically timing and power? Yes. > - Do you have the most enormous honking heatsink and fan you have > ever seen on your K6? I have about a mid-sized heatsink/fan. It does get much warmer than the p5 ever did, this very probably could be heat related (I hope so... at least that is easily fixable... I got an increase in speed almost exactly proportional to the processor speed difference, with only changing the CPU and not getting other faster components as well). > The K6 is *extremely* dependant on good cooling, much more so than any > Intel P5. Using a "normal" socket-7 cooler on one is not adequate. I saw a cyrix cooler for 200 MHz cyrix processors. I will go grab that and see if that helps at all. Thanks for the help, I was (am still) really hoping it would be an easily fixed problem. BTW, the results of the multiple make world tests with March 27 kernel: 1st -> ok (2.25 hrs) [ this one was a test to see if it would lock up] 2st -> ok (2.25 hrs) [ these were automated ] 3nd -> ok (2.25 hrs) 4th -> lockup about 1.25 hours into it. tested like: for a in 1 2 3 { # faster to clean most of the cruft out first. rm -rf /usr/obj/* chflags -R /usr/obj/* rm -rf /usr/obj/* make world } -- Zach Heilig -- zach@gaffaneys.com Real Programs don't use shared text. Otherwise, how can they use functions for scratch space after they are finished calling them? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 16:23:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24338 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:23:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24296 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:22:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01929; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804242319.QAA01929@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Zach Heilig cc: Mike Smith , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: reboot after panic: free vnode isn't In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:46:55 CDT." <19980424174655.54801@gaffaneys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:18:59 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > On Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 11:34:51AM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > All the usual questions: ... > > - Do you have the most enormous honking heatsink and fan you have > > ever seen on your K6? > > I have about a mid-sized heatsink/fan. It does get much warmer than the p5 > ever did, this very probably could be heat related (I hope so... at least that > is easily fixable... I got an increase in speed almost exactly proportional > to the processor speed difference, with only changing the CPU and not getting > other faster components as well). You want the most ridiculously big heatsink/fan combo you can get. Building the world is a far more intensive load than anything that a Wintel box will ever encounter, and the K6 seems to power-save quite well when it's not doing anything. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 18:12:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14517 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:12:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14493; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:12:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02337; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804250108.SAA02337@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Bruce Evans cc: mike@smith.net.au, dburr@POBoxes.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Studded@san.rr.com Subject: Re: best wdc0 flags ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:50:39 +1000." <199804201650.CAA05910@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:08:35 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > >> I thought I did, but my oldest accessible drive (all 400MB of it from > >> 4 years ago) supports them. The probe seems to handle any that don't. > > > >OK. Should we make it the default then? > > In -current. Sure. 8) > >> Setting the multi-block flag is not such a good optimization, since it > >> pessimizes throughput on some drives and it increases interrupt latency. > > > >Can you qualify "some drives" again? The overall performance > >improvement in general use is marked, and it decreases interrupt load > >in the DMA case. > > Old drives. Ok. Do we have general consensus then that the defaults should be: - 32-bit transfers. - multi-block 4, if supported by the drive. ??? -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 21:35:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04248 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 21:35:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from murkwood.gaffaneys.com (dialup6.gaffaneys.com [208.155.161.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04179 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zach@gaffaneys.com) Received: (from zach@localhost) by murkwood.gaffaneys.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA20312; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:33:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from zach) Message-ID: <19980424233339.57305@gaffaneys.com> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:33:39 -0500 From: Zach Heilig To: Mike Smith Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: reboot after panic: free vnode isn't References: <19980424174655.54801@gaffaneys.com> <199804242319.QAA01929@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199804242319.QAA01929@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 04:18:59PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, Apr 24, 1998 at 04:18:59PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > You want the most ridiculously big heatsink/fan combo you can get. > Building the world is a far more intensive load than anything that a > Wintel box will ever encounter, and the K6 seems to power-save quite > well when it's not doing anything. I think I have the problem figured out. I thought it may be a cooling problem, but after visiting the store and being told they don't make a bigger fan than what I already had (and adding 2 more case fans to blow air around better), the problem appears to be somewhat different: Whenever the hard drives begin chattering quite a bit, the pitch of the fans goes down slightly... I think I have a power problem. Yep, coincidentally, chucking a jaz cartridge into the jaz drive causes a crash... foo! I guess it's time to actually get a couple of those external SCSI cases and move all the SCSI devices out of the main case. It's pretty full in there. -- Zach Heilig -- zach@gaffaneys.com Real Programs don't use shared text. Otherwise, how can they use functions for scratch space after they are finished calling them? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 24 21:35:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04311 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 21:35:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from independence.ecn.uoknor.edu (independence.ecn.ou.edu [129.15.112.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04242 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 21:35:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from servalan!servalan.servalan.com!rmtodd@mailhost.ecn.ou.edu) Received: from servalan (1461 bytes) by independence.ecn.uoknor.edu via rmail with P:uucp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for freebsd.org!stable; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:27:39 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #3 built 1997-Dec-28) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by servalan.servalan.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Fri, 24 Apr 98 23:09:30 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.1.91 1996-Mar-5 #2 built 1997-May-2) Message-Id: To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: seks@wildstar.net, danny@wildstar.net Subject: cvs problem after latest stable upgrade. Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:09:27 -0500 From: Richard Todd Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi. I just finished upgrading a FreeBSD 2.2.2 box to 2.2-stable. Things seem to have gone very well, but after the upgrade someone on the system found that attempting to do cvs commits to a local repository no longer worked, giving the following error. Checking in Debug/malloc.c; cvs [commit aborted]: cannot rename file /tmp/cvsa14204 to malloc.c: Cross-device link Any ideas as to what I should look for that's causing this, and how to fix this? I've gone ahead and given them back an old cvs binary so they can get back to work, but I'd hate for things to break if we upgrade again, so I'd like to know if this is some odd permissions/setup thing on the local repository that the newer cvs doesn't like, or if this is actually a bug in cvs. Thanks for any help y'all can provide. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 25 14:56:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24193 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 14:56:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from garman.dyn.ml.org (pm106-03.dialip.mich.net [192.195.231.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA24171 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 14:56:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garman@earthling.net) From: garman@earthling.net Received: (qmail 1414 invoked by uid 1000); 11 May 1997 14:10:22 -0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 10:10:21 -0400 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: missed keyboard interrupts? X-Mailer: Mutt 0.58 Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: garman@earthling.net X-Phase-Of-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Crescent (24% of Full) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD/i386 2.2-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I just upgraded my machine to a PII/300... running 2.2.6-stable cvsupped as of a couple days ago. The trouble is that now, under "medium" load (say 500-600 interrupts/sec) the keyboard loses a _significant_ amount of interrupts (say compiling a kernel in the background makes the keyboard unusable) even with a "nonexistent" load (100-300 int/sec) occassionally a character will be lost. This is the same keyboard that worked fine with my old system (a p150) Is this a freebsd problem? Or does this lie elsewhere? The board is an ABIT with intel 440LX chipset. enjoy -- Jason Garman http://garman.dyn.ml.org/ Student, University of Maryland garman@earthling.net "Life's not fair... But the root password helps" -- BOFH Whois: JAG145 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 25 16:59:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA11681 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:59:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fnord.ir.bbn.com (FNORD.IR.BBN.COM [192.1.100.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA11665 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:59:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdt@ir.bbn.com) Received: (qmail 7759 invoked by uid 10853); 25 Apr 1998 00:13:48 -0000 To: "Stephen Krzywicki" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Digital 21143-PC network drivers References: <01bd6f8d$dbb22900$050000c0@seknb.superiorcam.com> From: Greg Troxel Date: 24 Apr 1998 20:13:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Stephen Krzywicki"'s message of Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:32:50 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 29 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As far as I know the 21143 is fairly new, and is included on the DE500-BA. II just got some, and the stock 2.2.6 kernel seems to work fine with it. 970921 is a long time ago; did you try the driver that's in -stable now? There have been a number of commits since then, and one of them pulled in the -current driver. Here's dmesg output from a PII with a BA booting the 2.2.6 release kernel. FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE #0: Wed Mar 25 02:28:49 GMT 1998 jkh@time.cdrom.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC CPU: Pentium Pro (300.68-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x634 Stepping=4 Features=0x80f9ff ... de0 rev 48 int a irq 10 on pci0:10:0 de0: DEC DE500-BA 21143 [10-100Mb/s] pass 3.0 de0: address 00:00:f8:08:5a:4f de1 rev 48 int a irq 10 on pci0:11:0 de1: DEC DE500-BA 21143 [10-100Mb/s] pass 3.0 de1: address 00:00:f8:1f:f7:7f ... de1: autosense failed: cable problem? de0: enabling 10baseT port There are two cards; one is plugged into a 10Mb/s hub, and the other indeed has no cable in it. Greg Troxel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 25 19:47:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA27924 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 19:47:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fledge.watson.org (root@FLEDGE.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.91.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA27809 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 19:46:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA03983; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 22:46:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: Dag-Erling Coidan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: Andreas Klemm , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id TAA27818 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I started seeing this just yesterday, also. -stable works fine on all my test machines, but the moment I dumped it on a production machine, makewhatis barfed all over the floor :-). About the same number of gzcats file. I'm currently rebuilding world to try again on a slightly more recent revision. My /tmp has 64mb free so I don't think that is the problem (it's MFS, and this is what I normally build and install on). /usr and / both have sufficient room also. On 24 Apr 1998, Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav wrote: > Andreas Klemm writes: > > After finishing a make buildworld on another system > > (2.2-STABLE) a make installworld brings: > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Re-scanning the shared libraries.. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > cd /usr/src && ldconfig -R > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Rebuilding man page indexes > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > cd /usr/src/share/man && /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin/make makedb > > makewhatis /usr/share/man > > > > gzcat: stdout: Broken pipe > > [...] > > Well, at least you needn't worry about reinstalling; everything is > there. But it seems that makewhatis had some trouble. Check your > system logs; my bet is that $TMPDIR went full. Try running makewhatis > manually and see what you get. > > -- > Noone else has a .sig like this one. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > Robert N Watson ---- Carnegie Mellon University http://www.cmu.edu/ Trusted Information Systems http://www.tis.com/ SafePort Network Services http://www.safeport.com/ robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 25 21:03:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA08939 for freebsd-stable-outgoing; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:03:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.196.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA08928 for ; Sat, 25 Apr 1998 21:03:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp) Received: by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp id AA01994; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:03:22 +0900 Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id NAA27061; Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:12:05 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199804260412.NAA27061@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: garman@earthling.net Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: missed keyboard interrupts? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 11 May 1997 10:10:21 -0400." References: Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:12:04 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >I just upgraded my machine to a PII/300... running 2.2.6-stable cvsupped >as of a couple days ago. > >The trouble is that now, under "medium" load (say 500-600 interrupts/sec) >the keyboard loses a _significant_ amount of interrupts (say compiling a >kernel in the background makes the keyboard unusable) > >even with a "nonexistent" load (100-300 int/sec) occassionally a character >will be lost. > >This is the same keyboard that worked fine with my old system (a p150) > >Is this a freebsd problem? Or does this lie elsewhere? > >The board is an ABIT with intel 440LX chipset. In what configuration and environment does this happen? Are you running X? If so, which video card and X server do you use? Do you use a PS/2 mouse? Would you compile a kernel with the following option? option "KBDIO_DEBUG=2" The kernel with this option will generate quite a number of debug messages. You will see many lines like: kbdio: kbd q: N calls, max M chars, aux q: X calls, max Y chars I would like to know what the above lines look like in your machine. Kazu yokota@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message