From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Feb 7 21:58:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17032 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:58:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from saturn.spel.com (ip226-39-143.spel.com [208.226.39.143] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17022 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:58:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mturpin@saturn.spel.com) Received: from localhost (mturpin@localhost) by saturn.spel.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA26008 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:54:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mturpin@saturn.spel.com) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:53:59 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Turpin To: Alpha Mailing list Subject: 4.0-19990206-SNAP floppies problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The kern.flp works fine. When I put the mfsroot.flp in it says load: error reading '/mfsroot' : unknown error (-1) then proceeds to give LOTS of error messages, same thing you see when you reboot on a Multia. Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark Turpin | Consulting - Training - Network Installation Systems Engineer | Main Street Technology Centre | http://www.MainStreetTech.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Feb 8 06:48:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA14441 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 06:48:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA14435 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 06:48:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11390; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:48:05 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id PAA53643; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:48:03 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:48:03 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Matthew Jacob Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nullfs works? Message-ID: <19990208154803.B46616@bitbox.follo.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Matthew Jacob on Sun, Jan 17, 1999 at 04:05:30PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jan 17, 1999 at 04:05:30PM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > Jan 17 15:11:23 farrago /kernel: pid 341 (config), uid 31154: exited on > signal 11 (core dumped) > > fatal kernel trap: > > trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) > a0 = 0x60 > a1 = 0x1 > a2 = 0x0 > pc = 0xfffffc000047fad4 > ra = 0xfffffc00003bfc9c > curproc = 0xfffffe00070997e0 > pid = 554, comm = sh > > ddbprinttrap from 0xfffffc000047fad4 > ddbprinttrap(0x60, 0x1, 0x0, 0x2) > panic: trap > panic > Stopped at Debugger+0x2c: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffe0007165640> > > db> t > Debugger() at Debugger+0x2c > panic() at panic+0xf8 > trap() at trap+0x69c > XentMM() at XentMM+0x20 > null_bypass() at null_bypass+0x11c > (null)() at 0x4 Doesn't look like it works to ME. It would have been a significant surprise if it worked, too - see http://www.freebsd.org/~eivind/FixNULL.patch for a start on fixing this. (There are some locking issues that I haven't had time to sort out yet, so that patch will not give you a 100% functional NULLFS. I'll look at this as soon as my testbox is free again.) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Feb 8 10:41:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09931 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:41:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09897 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:40:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA18302; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:40:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA43769; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:40:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199902062108.OAA17997@usr02.primenet.com> Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 10:40:26 -0800 (PST) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: Could somebody please test this patch? Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert wrote: >> >> Fine, then _tell_ me what the specific address is supposed to be, >> if there even really is one. I know there's a specific address in >> SVR4/i386, but as yet you've given me no reason to think the address >> is wired down on the Alpha. Just saying it's wired down doesn't do >> anybody a bit of good if you don't state what the address is supposed >> to be. > > Do you have a copy of DEC UNIX with a compiler? I don't even have an Alpha machine. > Write a program: > > main() > { > for(;;) { > sleep(1000); > } > } > > And then examine the memory mappings for it. That will show where the RTLD is mapped for sleep, but it doesn't show whether the RTLD _has_ to be mapped at that location. I think a better way would be to run objdump on the Digital Unix RTLD and see if it has a fixed load address. John --- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." -- H. L. Mencken To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Feb 8 10:57:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12036 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:57:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12030 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:57:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA28023; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id NAA07104; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:56:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:56:57 -0500 (EST) To: John Polstra Cc: Terry Lambert , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Could somebody please test this patch? In-Reply-To: References: <199902062108.OAA17997@usr02.primenet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14015.12344.625775.923958@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Polstra writes: > > That will show where the RTLD is mapped for sleep, but it doesn't > show whether the RTLD _has_ to be mapped at that location. I think > a better way would be to run objdump on the Digital Unix RTLD and > see if it has a fixed load address. > Shared library loading works a little different on Digital UNIX than everywhere else. The rtdl (/sbin/loader) is actually a static executable in its own right (with its text at 0x3ff800059e0), which maps in the 'real' dynamic executable and its shared libs, then transfers control the 'real' executable. The way the OSF/1 emulator works is that when the image activation routine realizes its loading a dynamic executable, it needs to back out (eg, unmap the first page, cleanup any state, etc), and start executing /sbin/loader instead. Note that you cannot mention /sbin/loader in argv[] (else you'll get '/sbin/loader: Fatal Error: loader cannot be invoked directly'), rather you need to build an auxargs array on the stack. The loader finds the path to the executable there, and proceeds to map it in, along with its shared libs, etc. When this has been done, the loader transfers control to the executable immediately after calling osf1_set_program_attributes() to setup the size & location of the process's text & data segments. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Feb 8 14:33:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16805 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:33:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aquator.amdiv.de (amdiv.de [195.126.47.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16796 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:33:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hans@Huebner.ORG) Received: from localhost (hans@localhost) by aquator.amdiv.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA07859 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:33:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hans@Huebner.ORG) X-Authentication-Warning: aquator.amdiv.de: hans owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:33:24 +0100 (CET) From: Hans Huebner To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: XFree86 server for FreeBSD/alpha? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello people, did any of you successfully compile a SVGA XFree86 server for FreeBSD/alpha and would be willing to share a binary or patch set with me? Thanks in advance, Hans To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Feb 8 14:37:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17563 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:37:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17555 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:37:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA02434; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:36:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id RAA08817; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:36:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:36:19 -0500 (EST) To: Hans Huebner Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: XFree86 server for FreeBSD/alpha? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14015.26307.69846.457647@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hans Huebner writes: > Hello people, > > did any of you successfully compile a SVGA XFree86 server for FreeBSD/alpha > and would be willing to share a binary or patch set with me? See http://www.freebsd.org/~dfr/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 9 08:00:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02139 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:00:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from demon.net (sos.support.demon.net [194.217.150.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA02132 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:00:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from afc@demon.net) Received: from pc253.southend.demon.net ([194.217.151.253]) by sos.support.demon.net id aa08171; 9 Feb 99 15:53 GMT Message-ID: <011e01be5444$c3382ae0$fd97d9c2@sos-npc-dd0392.southend.demon.net> From: Alex Collins To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at sos.support.demon.net Subject: [Newbie] - Getting started - Free BSD - DEC Multia 166 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:56:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi There I have myself an Alpha Multia 166, what I need to know is how to get started on the install for FreeBSD - Alpha. Multia 166 - 64 MB parity RAM - 4 GB IBM HDD - no CD Rom. I have the BSD / Alpha on the Network - Anon FTP Server, with the idea being to install it via FTP. ( from Redhat 5.2- i386 ) I have the Boot images, but I'm stuck at the First Hurdle - the Multia won't read the boot images to enable me to start the install. I simply get loads of read errors, then a Crash. I have tried Fdimage, and rawrite to make the floppies allong with DD Redhat i386 ). I have also upgraded the firmware on the machine. Any help would be appreciated. Also other people have had problems getting Free BSD to recognise the inbuilt network card - am i likly to have the same problem ?. I posted this to the comp.unix.freebsd.misc newsgroup, and got no response. Alex Collins : "What does the screen say now." Demon Helpdesk : "It says, 'Hit ENTER when ready'." afc@demon.net :"Well?" www.demon.net : "How do I know when it's ready?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 9 11:25:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25121 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:25:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25115; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:25:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA03899; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:25:08 -0800 Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:25:08 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Eivind Eklund cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nullfs works? In-Reply-To: <19990208154803.B46616@bitbox.follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Doesn't look like it works to ME. > > It would have been a significant surprise if it worked, too - see > http://www.freebsd.org/~eivind/FixNULL.patch for a start on fixing > this. (There are some locking issues that I haven't had time to sort > out yet, so that patch will not give you a 100% functional NULLFS. > I'll look at this as soon as my testbox is free again.) Bill Studenmund in NetBSD is doing major surgery wrt locking and NullFS. Maybe you'd like to coordinate with him? -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 9 12:01:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29114 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:01:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29107 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:01:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com.demon.co.uk) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA12254; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:00:17 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com.demon.co.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: herring.nlsystems.com: dfr owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:00:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson X-Sender: dfr@localhost To: Christian Weisgerber cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: alpha PC In-Reply-To: <79fo6s$48v$1@mips.rhein-neckar.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 5 Feb 1999, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Don wrote: > > > FreeBSD does not yet support booting from AlphaBIOS. > > The FreeBSD Alpha team is working on a solution for this problem > > Is it? Everything I've seen mentioned here so far has been very > tentative. I'm in the process of acquiring an Alpha. However, that's > going to be a Samsung 164UX board, so I'll initially be forced to run > Linux. Whom should I contact, if I ever decide that it might be within > my abilities to contribute something? Yes it is. The current status is that we can build a version of the FreeBSD kernel loader which runs under ARC and can load kernels from UFS filesystems. Thats the easy part. Next will be setting up the kernel's runtime environment (palcode, HWRPB) and attempting to actually run a kernel. Unfortunately, we haven't had much success so far in running anything at all on the Samsung 164UX. So far, not even linload.exe will run on Stefan's board which doesn't seem right :-(. I'll make an announcement here when there is something worth announcing :-). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 9 12:42:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04176 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:42:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu (friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu [129.186.185.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04158 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 12:42:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccsanady@friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu) Received: from friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu (localhost.res.iastate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED8B6 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:42:10 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: unexpected machine check.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:42:10 -0600 From: Chris Csanady Message-Id: <19990209204210.1ED8B6@friley-185-205.res.iastate.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know what might be causing this? This happens every now and then under heavy network use. This is with my GNIC II driver, although it seems to function on the intel. :\ I would like to get more useful information, although have never been able to get the machine to dump. This is with a recent kernel and a system from Dec 16 or so. I don't remember dumps working when things were in sync either though.. does it work now? Thanks, Chris unexpected machine check: mces = 0x1 vector = 0x670 param = 0xfffffc0000006068 pc = 0xfffffc000048f4a8 ra = 0xfffffc000048f480 curproc = 0xfffffe0010f2a620 pid = 322, comm = NPtcp.alpha panic: machine check panic Stopped at Debugger..ng+0x24: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffe0010fcb890> db> trace Debugger..ng() at Debugger..ng+0x24 panic..ng() at panic..ng+0xf0 machine_check..ng() at machine_check..ng+0x1fc interrupt..ng() at interrupt..ng+0x150 XentInt() at XentInt+0x1c cia_bwx_readw..ng() at cia_bwx_readw..ng+0x18 (null)() at 0x4 db> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 10 02:54:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA10578 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:54:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA10573; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:54:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id TAA06056; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:53:57 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36C1651C.477A3D8@newsguy.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:53:16 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mjacob@feral.com CC: Eivind Eklund , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nullfs works? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote: > > Bill Studenmund in NetBSD is doing major surgery wrt locking and NullFS. > Maybe you'd like to coordinate with him? Did they adopt out vm interface? :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org Well, as a computer geek, I have to believe in the binary universe. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 10 08:55:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20695 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:55:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20678; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:55:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr07.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23553; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:55:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd023429; Wed Feb 10 09:55:02 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA10995; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:54:50 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199902101654.JAA10995@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: nullfs works? To: dcs@newsguy.com (Daniel C. Sobral) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:54:49 +0000 (GMT) Cc: mjacob@feral.com, eivind@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <36C1651C.477A3D8@newsguy.com> from "Daniel C. Sobral" at Feb 10, 99 07:53:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Bill Studenmund in NetBSD is doing major surgery wrt locking and NullFS. > > Maybe you'd like to coordinate with him? > > Did they adopt out vm interface? :-) No. And that's absolutely the wrong frigging direction to go, anyway. The NULLFS should have no knowledge of the VM interface, whatsoever. All FS consumption of I/O interfaces, be they bmap or unified VM page based I/O, should be macrotized so as to be independent of th VM implementation technology. For FreeBSD, this means that the BMAP stubs should be left there, but as macros that expand to nothing on FreeBSD. Anything else shoots FS portability between OS's in the head, and if you do that, then what's the frigging point of having well defined interfaces to what is, in effect, a technological cul de sac? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 10 09:00:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21101 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:00:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21079; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:00:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA04366; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:00:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902101700.JAA04366@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: mjacob@feral.com, Eivind Eklund , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nullfs works? Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:00:03 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:53:16 +0900 "Daniel C. Sobral" wrote: > Did they adopt out vm interface? :-) No. We have a completely different VM system (not Mach VM), UVM. -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 10 09:32:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24479 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:32:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA24459; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:32:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08922; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:32:24 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:32:24 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "Daniel C. Sobral" cc: Eivind Eklund , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nullfs works? In-Reply-To: <36C1651C.477A3D8@newsguy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have no idea. I think it's mostly a recursive locking issue. Ask Bill. > > > > Bill Studenmund in NetBSD is doing major surgery wrt locking and NullFS. > > Maybe you'd like to coordinate with him? > > Did they adopt out vm interface? :-) > > -- > Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) > dcs@newsguy.com > dcs@freebsd.org > > Well, as a computer geek, I have to believe in the binary universe. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 11 07:50:30 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05029 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:50:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA05022; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:50:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA13308; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:50:21 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:50:21 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: problem with dhclient builds for shared src? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Umm- I have a /usr/src shared by an alpha && an i386. The alpha build falls over because there are a bunch of i386 binaries in sbin/dhclient- isn't it supposed to work that all binaries are off in /usr/obj? -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 11 10:52:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28756 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:52:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28750 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:52:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (d60-077.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.77]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA44484; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:52:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA34460; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:52:54 GMT (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:52:54 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Matthew Jacob Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problem with dhclient builds for shared src? Message-ID: <19990211105254.B34398@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Matthew Jacob on Thu, Feb 11, 1999 at 07:50:21AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The alpha build falls over because there are a bunch of i386 binaries > in sbin/dhclient- isn't it supposed to work that all binaries are off > in /usr/obj? Hum.. no idea. Other than my "afterinstall" target, sbin/dhclient/Makefile is simple. I haven't used any explicit install or destination targets (except for dhclient-script in "afterinstall"). I have no idea where to look for the problem. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 11 12:14:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10632 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:14:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA10617 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:14:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 97843 invoked by uid 1000); 11 Feb 1999 21:20:26 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:20:26 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: X11 - Again... Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Y'll, First, many thanx for the X11 patches. Some questions remain: * Compilation fails for many servers. Mainly in assembling some routines in the vgaX directories. Are there Alpha equivalents? * No VGA server builds, thus, XF86config fails. * Is there a buildable server for the Digital video cards? * PEX seems to fail too. * Following are the failing pieces (which I could not avoid, no matter how I specified the configuration): bin/XF86_I128 bin/XF86_Mono bin/XF86_P9000 bin/XF86_SVGA bin/scanpci lib/X11/fonts/PEX/Roman.phont lib/X11/fonts/PEX/Roman_M.phont lib/modules/pex5.so Sincerely Yours, Shimon@Simon-Shapiro.ORG 770.265.7340 Simon Shapiro Unwritten code has no bugs and executes at twice the speed of mouth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 11 13:35:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21134 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:35:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from epistolic.cynic.net (epistolic.cynic.net [199.175.137.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21114; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:35:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjs@cynic.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by epistolic.cynic.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA25342; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:34:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:34:57 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Sampson To: Matthew Jacob cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problem with dhclient builds for shared src? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > Umm- I have a /usr/src shared by an alpha && an i386. The alpha build > falls over because there are a bunch of i386 binaries in sbin/dhclient- > isn't it supposed to work that all binaries are off in /usr/obj? It sure is. Check that you have an obj.alpha symlink in src/sbin/dhclient, and that it actually links to a real directory (one that's not been removed). Without this, the build system will simply silently dump them wherever it can. (This is one of the main reasons I really, really dislike the idea of obj directories, and would rather have builds start from the directory containing object files, rather than the directory containing source files.) cjs -- Curt Sampson 604 801 5335 De gustibus, aut bene aut nihil. The most widely ported operating system in the world: http://www.netbsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 11 13:51:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23211 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:51:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles253.castles.com [208.214.165.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23204; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:51:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07650; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:43:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199902112143.NAA07650@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Curt Sampson cc: Matthew Jacob , obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problem with dhclient builds for shared src? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:34:57 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:43:22 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > Umm- I have a /usr/src shared by an alpha && an i386. The alpha build > > falls over because there are a bunch of i386 binaries in sbin/dhclient- > > isn't it supposed to work that all binaries are off in /usr/obj? > > It sure is. Check that you have an obj.alpha symlink in src/sbin/dhclient, > and that it actually links to a real directory (one that's not been > removed). Without this, the build system will simply silently dump > them wherever it can. (This is one of the main reasons I really, > really dislike the idea of obj directories, and would rather have > builds start from the directory containing object files, rather > than the directory containing source files.) Er, we don't use obj symlinks; the object directory is implicit. It sounds like Matt tried to build without an object directory on the i386, and as you say, ended up with objects in the source directory. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 11 16:14:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA11198 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:14:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11178 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:14:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA15310; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:14:00 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:14:00 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "David O'Brien" cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problem with dhclient builds for shared src? In-Reply-To: <19990211105254.B34398@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, we're all scratching our heads over this one. On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, David O'Brien wrote: > > The alpha build falls over because there are a bunch of i386 binaries > > in sbin/dhclient- isn't it supposed to work that all binaries are off > > in /usr/obj? > > Hum.. no idea. Other than my "afterinstall" target, > sbin/dhclient/Makefile is simple. I haven't used any explicit install or > destination targets (except for dhclient-script in "afterinstall"). > > I have no idea where to look for the problem. > > -- > -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 11 16:28:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13665 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:28:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13649; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:28:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA15424; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:28:08 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:28:07 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@feral-gw Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Curt Sampson cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problem with dhclient builds for shared src? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Umm- In freebsd it's all in /usr/obj somewhere- no symlinks, so you can do the following: sys a: /usr/obj (local) /usr/src nfs sys b: /usr/obj (local) /usr/src nfs It turns out that /usr/obj/usr/src/sbin/dhclient on the FreeBSD-i386 machine was missing- which is odd because the buildworld/installworld pair should have it there- it's there for the FreeBSD-alpha machine, so something got broken- but clearly this is isn't a generic case issue- just that something wierd happened. What, I don't know, but tonite's build will see what transpires. I run nightly's for both alpha && i386 (buildworld- not installworld)- and the success rate is >75%. -matt On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Curt Sampson wrote: > On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > Umm- I have a /usr/src shared by an alpha && an i386. The alpha build > > falls over because there are a bunch of i386 binaries in sbin/dhclient- > > isn't it supposed to work that all binaries are off in /usr/obj? > > It sure is. Check that you have an obj.alpha symlink in src/sbin/dhclient, > and that it actually links to a real directory (one that's not been > removed). Without this, the build system will simply silently dump > them wherever it can. (This is one of the main reasons I really, > really dislike the idea of obj directories, and would rather have > builds start from the directory containing object files, rather > than the directory containing source files.) > > cjs > -- > Curt Sampson 604 801 5335 De gustibus, aut bene aut nihil. > The most widely ported operating system in the world: http://www.netbsd.org > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Feb 12 01:38:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14168 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 01:38:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14152 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 01:37:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01901; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:37:04 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:37:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Simon Shapiro cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X11 - Again... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Simon Shapiro wrote: > Hi Y'll, > > First, many thanx for the X11 patches. Some questions remain: > > * Compilation fails for many servers. Mainly in assembling some routines > in the vgaX directories. Are there Alpha equivalents? > > * No VGA server builds, thus, XF86config fails. > > * Is there a buildable server for the Digital video cards? > > * PEX seems to fail too. > > * Following are the failing pieces (which I could not avoid, no matter how > I specified the configuration): > > bin/XF86_I128 > bin/XF86_Mono > bin/XF86_P9000 > bin/XF86_SVGA > bin/scanpci > lib/X11/fonts/PEX/Roman.phont > lib/X11/fonts/PEX/Roman_M.phont > lib/modules/pex5.so None of the SVGA drivers which use i386 assembler will work on the alpha. Since these are typically drivers for obsolete board, there isn't much incentive to change them. You need to disable the SVGA drivers and servers which are failing by editing xf86site.def I think. I never had any problems with I128 or PEX but I haven't tried to build 3.3.3.1 yet (my patches are for 3.3.3). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Feb 12 08:20:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA01573 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:20:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA01562 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:20:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 3501 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Feb 1999 17:26:53 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:26:53 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Doug Rabson Subject: Re: X11 - Again... Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson, On 12-Feb-99 you wrote: ... > None of the SVGA drivers which use i386 assembler will work on the > alpha. > Since these are typically drivers for obsolete board, there isn't much > incentive to change them. You need to disable the SVGA drivers and > servers which are failing by editing xf86site.def I think. > > I never had any problems with I128 or PEX but I haven't tried to build > 3.3.3.1 yet (my patches are for 3.3.3). I wiped out the XFree86 directiry, applied the patches to clean checkout form CVS, moved the patched files back where they belong and it built cleanly. It is obvious it was a cocpit error on my part. Apologies... Now back to getting that darn DPT board to actually boot... Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Feb 12 09:32:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10481 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:32:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from demon.net (sos.support.demon.net [194.217.150.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10476 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:32:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from afc@demon.net) Received: from pc144.southend.demon.net ([194.217.151.144]) by sos.support.demon.net id aa04637; 12 Feb 99 17:30 GMT Message-ID: <01f201be56ad$87b883a0$9097d9c2@sos-npc-a33628.southend.demon.net> From: Alex Collins To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at sos.support.demon.net Subject: Re: [Newbie] - Getting started - Free BSD - DEC Multia 166 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:31:31 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org cc freebsd-alpha.freebsd.org Mike Thanks for your reply. The network card is fine, i did the install via ftp on the local network. I eventually got the mulita to boot off the disks, I think the first image set was corrupt - so i downloaded them again. That fixed that nicely. I do still get a few data over run errors though. The new problem - once i have installed the OS, is i can't boot it from the SRM console. Typing in : boot dka6 looks at the drive and gives an invalid boot block error. Any suggestions ? I have tried a few bits, but not having an " In Depth" knowledge of the matters, and 2 days later have decided to ask again. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Smith To: Alex Collins Date: 09 February 1999 23:47 Subject: Re: [Newbie] - Getting started - Free BSD - DEC Multia 166 >> Hi There >> >> I have myself an Alpha Multia 166, what I need to know is how to get >> started on the install for FreeBSD - Alpha. >> Multia 166 - 64 MB parity RAM - 4 GB IBM HDD - no CD Rom. >> >> I have the BSD / Alpha on the Network - Anon FTP Server, with the idea >> being to install it via FTP. ( from Redhat 5.2- i386 ) >> >> I have the Boot images, but I'm stuck at the First Hurdle - the Multia >> won't read the boot images to enable me to start the install. >> I simply get loads of read errors, then a Crash. >> >> I have tried Fdimage, and rawrite to make the floppies allong with DD >> Redhat i386 ). I have also >> upgraded the firmware on the machine. > >Sounds like you've done just about everything you can. You could try >netbooting the loader, then using that to load the kernel off the >2.88MB install image via NFS or TFTP. The Multia's floppy is >notoriously bad; it sounds like yours has just died completely. > >> Any help would be appreciated. Also other people have had problems getting >> Free BSD to recognise the inbuilt network card - am i likly to have the same >> problem ?. > >Shouldn't; my Multia works fine. >-- >\\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith >\\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au >\\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org >\\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Feb 12 11:29:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22772 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:29:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (set.spradley.tmi.net [207.170.107.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22756 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:29:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by set.spradley.tmi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23899; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:28:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Message-Id: <199902121928.NAA23899@set.spradley.tmi.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org cc: Doug Rabson , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X11 - Again... In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:26:53 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:28:46 -0600 From: Ted Spradley Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Simon says (sorry, couldn't help it): > I wiped out the XFree86 directiry, applied the patches to clean checkout > form CVS, moved the patched files back where they belong and it built > cleanly. I'm obviously doing something wrong. I don't think I'm applying the right patch to the right tree. I got the patch from http://www.freebsd.org/%7edfr/XFree86.diff and I thought it should apply to /usr/ports/x11/XFree86. I do 'cvs checkout ports/x11/XFree86' and then 'patch --index-first < ~/FreeBSD-Alpha/XFree86.diff' and I get this: [...] |=================================================================== |RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/x11/XFree86/scripts/configure,v |retrieving revision 1.39 |diff -u -u -r1.39 configure |--- configure 1998/12/18 23:56:02 1.39 |+++ configure 1998/12/25 10:35:15 -------------------------- Patching file scripts/configure using Plan A... Hunk #1 failed at 100. Hunk #2 failed at 150. Hunk #3 failed at 181. Hunk #4 succeeded at 176 with fuzz 1 (offset -48 lines). 3 out of 4 hunks failed--saving rejects to scripts/configure.rej done The diffs against /dev/null patch OK, of course. If I run make anyway I get this [...] ===> Patching for XFree86-3.3.2 ===> Applying distribution patches for XFree86-3.3.2 ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for XFree86-3.3.2 1 out of 3 hunks failed--saving rejects to config/cf/FreeBSD.cf.rej 1 out of 1 hunks failed--saving rejects to programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/com mon/compiler.h.rej *** Error code 2 Stop. This should be XFree86-3.3.3, shouldn't it? This is on an AS200-4/233. I installed 4.0-19990209-SNAP, then checked out current sources and built and installed the world and a new kernel, and that all went as perfectly as it always has on i386 PeeCees. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Feb 12 13:38:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10440 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:38:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nomis.simon-shapiro.org (nomis.simon-shapiro.org [209.86.126.163] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA10385 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:37:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shimon@simon-shapiro.org) Received: (qmail 5684 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Feb 1999 22:43:49 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199902121928.NAA23899@set.spradley.tmi.net> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:43:49 -0500 (EST) X-Face: (&r=uR0&yvh>h^ZL4"-TH61PD}/|Y'~58Z# Gz&BK'&uLAf:2wLb~L7YcWfau{;N(#LR2)\i.l8'ZqVhv~$rNx$]Om6Sv36S'\~5m/U'"i/L)&t$R0&?,)tm0l5xZ!\hZU^yMyCdt!KTcQ376cCkQ^Q_n.GH;Dd-q+ O51^+.K-1Kq?WsP9;cw-Ki+b.iY-5@3!YB5{I$h;E][Xlg*sPO61^5=:5k)JdGet,M|$"lq!1!j_>? $0Yc? Reply-To: shimon@simon-shapiro.org Organization: The Simon Shapiro Foundation From: Simon Shapiro To: Ted Spradley Subject: Re: X11 - Again... Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Rabson Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ted Spradley, On 12-Feb-99 you wrote: > Simon says (sorry, couldn't help it): > > > I wiped out the XFree86 directiry, applied the patches to clean > > checkout > > form CVS, moved the patched files back where they belong and it built > > cleanly. > > I'm obviously doing something wrong. I don't think I'm applying the > right patch to the right tree. I got the patch from > http://www.freebsd.org/%7edfr/XFree86.diff and I thought it should apply > to /usr/ports/x11/XFree86. > > I do 'cvs checkout ports/x11/XFree86' and then 'patch --index-first < > ~/FreeBSD-Alpha/XFree86.diff' and I get this: > > > [...] > |=================================================================== > |RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/x11/XFree86/scripts/configure,v > |retrieving revision 1.39 > |diff -u -u -r1.39 configure > |--- configure 1998/12/18 23:56:02 1.39 > |+++ configure 1998/12/25 10:35:15 > -------------------------- > Patching file scripts/configure using Plan A... > Hunk #1 failed at 100. > Hunk #2 failed at 150. > Hunk #3 failed at 181. > Hunk #4 succeeded at 176 with fuzz 1 (offset -48 lines). > 3 out of 4 hunks failed--saving rejects to scripts/configure.rej > done > > The diffs against /dev/null patch OK, of course. > > If I run make anyway I get this > > [...] > ===> Patching for XFree86-3.3.2 > ===> Applying distribution patches for XFree86-3.3.2 > ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for XFree86-3.3.2 > 1 out of 3 hunks failed--saving rejects to config/cf/FreeBSD.cf.rej > 1 out of 1 hunks failed--saving rejects to > programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/com > mon/compiler.h.rej > *** Error code 2 > > Stop. > > This should be XFree86-3.3.3, shouldn't it? > > This is on an AS200-4/233. I installed 4.0-19990209-SNAP, then checked > out current sources and built and installed the world and a new kernel, > and that all went as perfectly as it always has on i386 PeeCees. I use patch -p0 from /usr/ports/x11/XFree86, then move the patched patch-xx files to ./patches/. I think there is something non-kosher in the patches as I stumbled about that too. Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Feb 12 14:41:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17680 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:41:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17661 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:41:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from localhost (dfr@localhost) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00448; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:39:31 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:39:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Ted Spradley cc: shimon@simon-shapiro.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X11 - Again... In-Reply-To: <199902121928.NAA23899@set.spradley.tmi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 12 Feb 1999, Ted Spradley wrote: > Simon says (sorry, couldn't help it): > > > I wiped out the XFree86 directiry, applied the patches to clean checkout > > form CVS, moved the patched files back where they belong and it built > > cleanly. > > I'm obviously doing something wrong. I don't think I'm applying the > right patch to the right tree. I got the patch from > http://www.freebsd.org/%7edfr/XFree86.diff and I thought it should apply > to /usr/ports/x11/XFree86. > > I do 'cvs checkout ports/x11/XFree86' and then 'patch --index-first < > ~/FreeBSD-Alpha/XFree86.diff' and I get this: > > > [...] > |=================================================================== > |RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/x11/XFree86/scripts/configure,v > |retrieving revision 1.39 > |diff -u -u -r1.39 configure > |--- configure 1998/12/18 23:56:02 1.39 > |+++ configure 1998/12/25 10:35:15 > -------------------------- > Patching file scripts/configure using Plan A... > Hunk #1 failed at 100. > Hunk #2 failed at 150. > Hunk #3 failed at 181. > Hunk #4 succeeded at 176 with fuzz 1 (offset -48 lines). > 3 out of 4 hunks failed--saving rejects to scripts/configure.rej > done > > The diffs against /dev/null patch OK, of course. > > If I run make anyway I get this > > [...] > ===> Patching for XFree86-3.3.2 > ===> Applying distribution patches for XFree86-3.3.2 > ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for XFree86-3.3.2 > 1 out of 3 hunks failed--saving rejects to config/cf/FreeBSD.cf.rej > 1 out of 1 hunks failed--saving rejects to programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/com > mon/compiler.h.rej > *** Error code 2 > > Stop. > > This should be XFree86-3.3.3, shouldn't it? > > This is on an AS200-4/233. I installed 4.0-19990209-SNAP, then checked > out current sources and built and installed the world and a new kernel, > and that all went as perfectly as it always has on i386 PeeCees. This is XFree86-3.3.3.1. I need to find the time to update things from 3.3.3 (which I based the patchset on). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Feb 13 00:46:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13104 for freebsd-alpha-outgoing; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 00:46:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from castle.huebner.org (amdiv.de [195.126.47.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13095 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 00:46:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hans@Huebner.ORG) Received: from castle.huebner.org ([192.168.2.1]) by castle.huebner.org with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10BakM-0002Me-00; Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:48:18 +0100 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:48:17 +0100 (CET) From: Hans Huebner To: Simon Shapiro cc: Ted Spradley , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Rabson Subject: Re: X11 - Again... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Filtered-By: exim Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, it is as simple as that: The patches work with XFree-3.3.3.1 without any problem. They will not (not!) work with older versions. To use them, you need the current x11/XFree86 port. Please make sure that your Makefile is: # $Id: Makefile,v 1.52 1999/01/27 18:32:15 fenner Exp $ If all this is given, patch --index-first will give no errors whatsoever, the build will run completely fine and you'll get a useable SVGA server. Note that the server starts up in 8 bpp mode unless you explicitly tell it to use 16 bits on the command line. 8 bit mode is broken, as mentioned on the web page. -Hans To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message