From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 4 22: 9:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DE614F48 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:09:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA20200 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 00:09:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 00:09:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: panic in recent kernel Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I've been experiencing a panic with kernel sources from earlier today. Has anyone else seen this? The particulars are as follows: Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xfffffc00005ee000. fatal kernel trap: trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) a0 = 0x168 a1 = 0x1 a2 = 0x0 pc = 0xfffffc000035abbc ra = 0xfffffc000035ad68 curproc = 0xfffffc000058ea98 pid = 0, comm = swapper panic: trap Note there might be transcription errors in the above. What other information would be helpful in diagnosing this problem? Thanks. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 4 22:34: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D112914D20; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:33:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA00518; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 00:33:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 00:33:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: alpha kernel build failure (w/patch) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone object to me fixing the wb driver so kernel builds on the Alpha don't fall over anymore? The patch was gleened from the similar changes to the al driver. Thanks. -steve Index: if_wb.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/pci/if_wb.c,v retrieving revision 1.11 diff -u -r1.11 if_wb.c --- if_wb.c 1999/07/02 04:17:16 1.11 +++ if_wb.c 1999/07/05 05:29:15 @@ -1096,7 +1096,12 @@ printf ("wb%d: couldn't map ports\n", unit); goto fail; } +#ifdef __i386__ sc->wb_btag = I386_BUS_SPACE_IO; +#endif +#ifdef __alpha__ + sc->wb_btag = ALPHA_BUS_SPACE_IO; +#endif #else if (!(command & PCIM_CMD_MEMEN)) { printf("wb%d: failed to enable memory mapping!\n", unit); @@ -1107,7 +1112,12 @@ printf ("wb%d: couldn't map memory\n", unit); goto fail; } +#ifdef __i386__ sc->wb_btag = I386_BUS_SPACE_MEM; +#endif +#ifdef __alpha__ + sc->wb_btag = ALPHA_BUS_SPACE_MEM; +#endif sc->wb_bhandle = vbase; #endif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 4 23: 3: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2200214D20 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:03:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id BAA32618 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 01:03:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 01:03:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: panic in recent kernel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To followup on my own post I rebuilt a kernel with debugging symbols and DDB. Here's what I get now. Preloader elf kernel "kernel" at 0xfffffc000060a000. fatal kernel trap: trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) a0 = 0x168 a1 = 0x1 a2 = 0x0 pc = 0xfffffc0000361c3c ra = 0xfffffc0000361de8 curproc = 0xfffffc00005a97f0 pid = 0, comm = swapper ddbprinttrap from 0xfffffc0000361c3c ddbprinttrap(0x168, 0x1, 0x0, 0x2) panic: trap panic Stopped at Debugger+0x2c: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc000060faf0> db> Unfortunately I'm unable to type in anything at the prompt. Every character results in a carriage return and a new prompt. :/ It appears the problem is somewhere in cdevsw_add and may be related to Poul-Henning's commit to "Remove cmaj and bmaj args from DEV_DRIVER_MODULE." $ nm /kernel.debug | grep fffffc0000361 | sort fffffc0000361040 T nanouptime fffffc0000361100 t tco_setscales fffffc0000361160 T update_timecounter fffffc0000361180 T init_timecounter fffffc0000361320 T set_timecounter fffffc00003613c0 t sync_other_counter fffffc00003614a0 t tco_forward fffffc0000361680 T pps_ioctl fffffc0000361800 T pps_init fffffc0000361840 T pps_event fffffc0000361a20 T chrtoblk fffffc0000361ac0 T devsw fffffc0000361b00 T bdevsw fffffc0000361be0 T cdevsw_add fffffc0000361d20 T cdevsw_remove fffffc0000361da0 T devsw_module_handler fffffc0000361ea0 T major fffffc0000361ec0 T minor fffffc0000361ee0 T makebdev fffffc0000361f20 T makedev fffffc0000361f40 T dev2udev fffffc0000361fa0 T udev2dev $ -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 5 10:59:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from pinhead.parag.codegen.com (207-44-235-154.CodeGen.COM [207.44.235.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749551515B; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:59:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from parag@pinhead.parag.codegen.com) Received: from pinhead.parag.codegen.com (parag@localhost.parag.codegen.com [127.0.0.1]) by pinhead.parag.codegen.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA64811; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 10:59:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from parag@pinhead.parag.codegen.com) To: Steve Price Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: alpha kernel build failure (w/patch) In-Reply-To: Message from Steve Price of "Mon, 05 Jul 1999 00:33:57 CDT." X-Face: =O'Kj74icvU|oS*<7gS/8'\Pbpm}okVj*@UC!IgkmZQAO!W[|iBiMs*|)n*`X ]pW%m>Oz_mK^Gdazsr.Z0/JsFS1uF8gBVIoChGwOy{EK=<6g?aHE`[\S]C]T0Wm X-URL: http://www.codegen.com Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 10:59:37 -0700 Message-ID: <64807.931197577@pinhead.parag.codegen.com> From: Parag Patel Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 05 Jul 1999 00:33:57 CDT, Steve Price wrote: >+#ifdef __i386__ > sc->wb_btag = I386_BUS_SPACE_IO; >+#endif >+#ifdef __alpha__ >+ sc->wb_btag = ALPHA_BUS_SPACE_IO; >+#endif Just curious, but is there a reason that these lines aren't simply sc->wb_btag = BUS_SPACE_IO; with this macro being set to the correct machine-specific one in some appropriate header file? I'm sure I'm missing something... Thanks! -- Parag Patel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 5 15:22: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4424315206; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:22:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3666F64; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 06:22:01 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Parag Patel Cc: Steve Price , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: alpha kernel build failure (w/patch) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Jul 1999 10:59:37 MST." <64807.931197577@pinhead.parag.codegen.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 06:22:01 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <19990705222201.3666F64@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Parag Patel wrote: > On Mon, 05 Jul 1999 00:33:57 CDT, Steve Price wrote: > >+#ifdef __i386__ > > sc->wb_btag = I386_BUS_SPACE_IO; > >+#endif > >+#ifdef __alpha__ > >+ sc->wb_btag = ALPHA_BUS_SPACE_IO; > >+#endif > > Just curious, but is there a reason that these lines aren't simply > > sc->wb_btag = BUS_SPACE_IO; > > with this macro being set to the correct machine-specific one in some > appropriate header file? I'm sure I'm missing something... > > Thanks! The really annoying thing is that this is handled in the bus configuration system already. The driver only has to ask for the handle and tags for the resource it's activated and can then use that directly for the bus_space calls. But, old style drivers don't have access to that as the information is not available across the compatability shims. > -- Parag Patel Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 5 15:42:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wcug.wwu.edu (sloth.wcug.wwu.edu [140.160.164.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F81715206 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 15:42:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bethany@wcug.wwu.edu) Received: (qmail 13564 invoked by uid 1001); 5 Jul 1999 22:42:02 -0000 Date: 5 Jul 1999 22:42:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19990705224202.13563.qmail@wcug.wwu.edu> Subject: From: bethany-fbsd@wcug.wwu.edu To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 5 16:16:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B7014E95; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 16:16:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20334; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 17:16:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA59341; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 17:14:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199907052314.RAA59341@harmony.village.org> To: Parag Patel Subject: Re: alpha kernel build failure (w/patch) Cc: Steve Price , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Jul 1999 10:59:37 PDT." <64807.931197577@pinhead.parag.codegen.com> References: <64807.931197577@pinhead.parag.codegen.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 17:14:25 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <64807.931197577@pinhead.parag.codegen.com> Parag Patel writes: : Just curious, but is there a reason that these lines aren't simply : : sc->wb_btag = BUS_SPACE_IO; : : with this macro being set to the correct machine-specific one in some : appropriate header file? I'm sure I'm missing something... Yes. The bus tag should be obtained from new-bus's functions rather than it being hard coded. Also, the bus space on more complicated machines might be different than just I/O. In fact, even on Pccard machines one can make a good case for it being a different bus tag... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 5 16:51:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from bubba.whistle.com (s205m7.whistle.com [207.76.205.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FEC14BCD; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 16:51:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id QAA27061; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 16:51:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199907052351.QAA27061@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: alpha kernel build failure (w/patch) In-Reply-To: from Steve Price at "Jul 5, 99 00:33:57 am" To: sprice@hiwaay.net (Steve Price) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 16:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve Price writes: > } > +#ifdef __i386__ > sc->wb_btag = I386_BUS_SPACE_IO; > +#endif > +#ifdef __alpha__ > + sc->wb_btag = ALPHA_BUS_SPACE_IO; > +#endif > #else > if (!(command & PCIM_CMD_MEMEN)) { Just a minor comment.. anytime you have something like this, it's always nice to do it this way instead: #if defined(__i386__) sc->wb_btag = I386_BUS_SPACE_IO; #elif defined(__alpha__) sc->wb_btag = ALPHA_BUS_SPACE_IO; #else #error Machine architecture unsupported #endif That way when somebody wants to add M68K support or whatever they are alerted that they need to implement the new flag at compile time instead of at panic time :-) -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 5 17:27:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A8014BD3 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 17:27:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA10668; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 17:27:14 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 17:27:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Steve Price Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: panic in recent kernel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The problem has to do with an attempt to open a device that's not configured- in my case I found this to be ccd. I'm trying to understand why this is broken now. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 5 18:53:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28AD615399 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:53:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA10937; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:53:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:53:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Steve Price Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: panic in recent kernel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brain idiocy on my part. I couldn't figure out why this kept panic'ing for ccdconfig when I hadn't config'd ccd in. It turns out there *are* .ko modules in /modules- they're way out of date because the interfaces changed. phk rev'd the kernel version, but that didn't stop the modules from loading. Somebody file the appropriate bugs. On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, Steve Price wrote: > To followup on my own post I rebuilt a kernel with debugging > symbols and DDB. Here's what I get now. > > Preloader elf kernel "kernel" at 0xfffffc000060a000. > > fatal kernel trap: > > trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) > a0 = 0x168 > a1 = 0x1 > a2 = 0x0 > pc = 0xfffffc0000361c3c > ra = 0xfffffc0000361de8 > curproc = 0xfffffc00005a97f0 > pid = 0, comm = swapper > > ddbprinttrap from 0xfffffc0000361c3c > ddbprinttrap(0x168, 0x1, 0x0, 0x2) > panic: trap > panic > Stopped at Debugger+0x2c: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffc000060faf0> > db> > > Unfortunately I'm unable to type in anything at the prompt. > Every character results in a carriage return and a new prompt. :/ > > It appears the problem is somewhere in cdevsw_add and may be > related to Poul-Henning's commit to "Remove cmaj and bmaj args > from DEV_DRIVER_MODULE." > > $ nm /kernel.debug | grep fffffc0000361 | sort > fffffc0000361040 T nanouptime > fffffc0000361100 t tco_setscales > fffffc0000361160 T update_timecounter > fffffc0000361180 T init_timecounter > fffffc0000361320 T set_timecounter > fffffc00003613c0 t sync_other_counter > fffffc00003614a0 t tco_forward > fffffc0000361680 T pps_ioctl > fffffc0000361800 T pps_init > fffffc0000361840 T pps_event > fffffc0000361a20 T chrtoblk > fffffc0000361ac0 T devsw > fffffc0000361b00 T bdevsw > fffffc0000361be0 T cdevsw_add > fffffc0000361d20 T cdevsw_remove > fffffc0000361da0 T devsw_module_handler > fffffc0000361ea0 T major > fffffc0000361ec0 T minor > fffffc0000361ee0 T makebdev > fffffc0000361f20 T makedev > fffffc0000361f40 T dev2udev > fffffc0000361fa0 T udev2dev > $ > > -steve > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 5 19:16:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C30714DF1 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:16:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA11678; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:16:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:16:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: Matthew Jacob Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: panic in recent kernel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: # # Brain idiocy on my part. I couldn't figure out why this kept panic'ing for # ccdconfig when I hadn't config'd ccd in. It turns out there *are* .ko # modules in /modules- they're way out of date because the interfaces # changed. # # phk rev'd the kernel version, but that didn't stop the modules from # loading. Somebody file the appropriate bugs. Sorry for being clueless here... What you are saying is that if I install new modules the new kernel will work? I'd be happy to file a problem report if I knew what I was filing. :-) -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 5 21:11: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D755B1533C for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:10:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA11167; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:10:56 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:10:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Steve Price Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: panic in recent kernel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, Steve Price wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > # > # Brain idiocy on my part. I couldn't figure out why this kept panic'ing for > # ccdconfig when I hadn't config'd ccd in. It turns out there *are* .ko > # modules in /modules- they're way out of date because the interfaces > # changed. > # > # phk rev'd the kernel version, but that didn't stop the modules from > # loading. Somebody file the appropriate bugs. > > Sorry for being clueless here... What you are saying is that if > I install new modules the new kernel will work? I'd be happy to That I don't know. Remove the modules first. See if things work. If they do, then install new modules. If things work and the modules load then the problem here is that the module loading isn't cognizant of an incompatible interface change. It's my understanding that if you bump a kernel revision (__FreeBSD_Version), kernel modules and other things that depend upon kernel APIs and data structures need to be recompiled. The module loading code should not have us spend a day to find out that this is what happened. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 7 19:54:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from Prime-FE2.lvcablemodem.com (prime-fe2.lvcablemodem.com [24.234.0.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912D914BCD for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:54:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mholloway@flashmail.com) Received: from prime-fe2.lvcablemodem.com - 24.234.0.11 by lvcablemodem.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:00:51 -0700 Received: from liquid (dhcp235.59.lvcm.com [24.234.59.235]) by prime-fe2.lvcablemodem.com with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Wed, 07 Jul 1999 20:00:50 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01bec8ed$1dd8bba0$eb3bea18@lvcm.com> From: "Mark Holloway" To: Subject: Alpha 500a ok? Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 19:53:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01BEC8B2.7125F740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BEC8B2.7125F740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi FreeBSD/Alpha people..=20 I have been using FreeBSD on intel (PII/333/128MB RAM) and it is great.. = I was looking at getting another machine to act as a personal server on = my home network and maybe eventually into a production environment. For = the money, I could spend around $1200 and build a PII/450 machine but a = friend of mine who is a used Sun/SGI/DEC/IBM reseller has a DEC Alpha = 500a (21164 Generation) Personal Workstation with 128MB Ram, DEC 16MB = PCI Video, 4GB SCSI, and CD-Rom for $1400. The thing that I like most = about this box is that it has 2MB cache versus Intel's 512k (unless you = get a Xeon, but that's a lot more than $1400). =20 Some people have asked me why I'm looking at Alpha and not Intel. Right = now I have an Intel/FreeBSD machine at home and it works great. = However, I've always looked for the best "bang for the buck" and $1400 = is a pretty low price to pay for the Alpha and I feel the components are = built better. The SpecINT on the Alpha 500 is still higher than any = other used RISC based machine in this price range (Sparc 20, SGI Indy, = all with SpecINT around 2.5 -> 4.5). =20 Does anyone know of any issues or quirks with the Alpha 500a machines? = Or are they pretty stable? 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Hi FreeBSD/Alpha people..
 
I have been using FreeBSD on intel (PII/333/128MB = RAM) and it=20 is great.. I was looking at getting another machine to act as a personal = server=20 on my home network and maybe eventually into a production = environment.  For=20 the money, I could spend around $1200 and build a PII/450 machine but a = friend=20 of mine who is a used Sun/SGI/DEC/IBM reseller has a DEC Alpha 500a = (21164=20 Generation) Personal Workstation with 128MB Ram, DEC 16MB PCI Video, 4GB = SCSI,=20 and CD-Rom for $1400.  The thing that I like most about this box is = that it=20 has 2MB cache versus Intel's 512k (unless you get a Xeon, but that's a = lot more=20 than $1400). 
 
Some people have asked me why I'm looking at Alpha = and not=20 Intel.  Right now I have an Intel/FreeBSD machine at home = and it works=20 great.  However, I've always looked for the best "bang for the = buck" and=20 $1400 is a pretty low price to pay for the Alpha and I feel the = components are=20 built better.  The SpecINT on the Alpha 500 is still higher than = any other=20 used RISC based machine in this price range (Sparc 20, SGI Indy, all = with=20 SpecINT around 2.5 -> 4.5). 
 
Does anyone know of any issues or quirks with the = Alpha 500a=20 machines?  Or are they pretty stable?
 
 
Thanks!
Mark
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BEC8B2.7125F740-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 8 2:56:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A02414C14 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 02:56:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA88392; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:56:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 10:56:03 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Mark Holloway Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha 500a ok? In-Reply-To: <000c01bec8ed$1dd8bba0$eb3bea18@lvcm.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 7 Jul 1999, Mark Holloway wrote: > Hi FreeBSD/Alpha people.. > > I have been using FreeBSD on intel (PII/333/128MB RAM) and it is > great.. I was looking at getting another machine to act as a personal > server on my home network and maybe eventually into a production > environment. For the money, I could spend around $1200 and build a > PII/450 machine but a friend of mine who is a used Sun/SGI/DEC/IBM > reseller has a DEC Alpha 500a (21164 Generation) Personal Workstation > with 128MB Ram, DEC 16MB PCI Video, 4GB SCSI, and CD-Rom for $1400. > The thing that I like most about this box is that it has 2MB cache > versus Intel's 512k (unless you get a Xeon, but that's a lot more than > $1400). > > Some people have asked me why I'm looking at Alpha and not Intel. > Right now I have an Intel/FreeBSD machine at home and it works great. > However, I've always looked for the best "bang for the buck" and $1400 > is a pretty low price to pay for the Alpha and I feel the components > are built better. The SpecINT on the Alpha 500 is still higher than > any other used RISC based machine in this price range (Sparc 20, SGI > Indy, all with SpecINT around 2.5 -> 4.5). > > Does anyone know of any issues or quirks with the Alpha 500a machines? > Or are they pretty stable? I have an older model (the 433au) and it works well. I think that all of the PWS series work with FreeBSD/alpha. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 8 9:55:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.du.gtn.com (mail.du.gtn.com [194.77.9.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D388114FA6; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 09:55:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from cicely7.cicely.de (cicely.de [194.231.9.142]) by mail.du.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA08543; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:55:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (cicely8.cicely.de [10.1.2.10]) by cicely7.cicely.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA12192; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:54:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.9.3/8.9.2) id SAA08728; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:55:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:55:11 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Adaptec 2940UW on alpha working? Message-ID: <19990708185508.A8698@cicely8.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I need to add some HDDs to my alpha but unfornately I can't use them on the onboard ncr because of cabeling. I own an unused 2940UW and want to know if it is worth to update to a recent current to use it. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 8 12:26:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4860715077; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:26:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA00319; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:26:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Message-Id: <199907081926.NAA00319@panzer.kdm.org> Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW on alpha working? In-Reply-To: <19990708185508.A8698@cicely8.cicely.de> from Bernd Walter at "Jul 8, 1999 06:55:11 pm" To: ticso@cicely.de (Bernd Walter) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:26:13 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Kenneth D. Merry" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bernd Walter wrote... > I need to add some HDDs to my alpha but unfornately I can't use them on the > onboard ncr because of cabeling. > I own an unused 2940UW and want to know if it is worth to update to a recent > current to use it. It works: ahc0: irq 20 at device 10.0 on pci1 ahc0: aic7890/91 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc0: interrupting at CIA irq 20 da2 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da2: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da2: 4340MB (8888924 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 553C) That's with -current from mid-June on a 433au box. Of course you can't boot from an Adaptec controller, since SRM doesn't know about it. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 8 12:42:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A236150FB; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:42:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA21857; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:42:33 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:42:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: Bernd Walter , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW on alpha working? In-Reply-To: <199907081926.NAA00319@panzer.kdm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I own an unused 2940UW and want to know if it is worth to update to a recent > > current to use it. > > It works: > > ahc0: irq 20 at device 10.0 on pci1 > ahc0: aic7890/91 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs > ahc0: interrupting at CIA irq 20 > da2 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da2: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled > da2: 4340MB (8888924 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 553C) > > That's with -current from mid-June on a 433au box. So why hasn't alpha/conf/GENERIC been updated? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 8 12:46:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E9D150B4; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:46:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA00491; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:46:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Message-Id: <199907081946.NAA00491@panzer.kdm.org> Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW on alpha working? In-Reply-To: from Matthew Jacob at "Jul 8, 1999 12:42:33 pm" To: mjacob@feral.com Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:46:12 -0600 (MDT) Cc: ken@plutotech.com (Kenneth D. Merry), ticso@cicely.de (Bernd Walter), freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, gibbs@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Kenneth D. Merry" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote... > > > > I own an unused 2940UW and want to know if it is worth to update to a recent > > > current to use it. > > > > It works: > > > > ahc0: irq 20 at device 10.0 on pci1 > > ahc0: aic7890/91 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs > > ahc0: interrupting at CIA irq 20 > > da2 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > > da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > > da2: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled > > da2: 4340MB (8888924 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 553C) > > > > That's with -current from mid-June on a 433au box. > > So why hasn't alpha/conf/GENERIC been updated? Probably because Justin didn't update it when he checked in the changes to the Adaptec driver. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 9 0: 2:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B4214BDB for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:02:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rfrohn@ibm.net) Received: from ibm.net (slip139-92-2-145.eh.de.ibm.net [139.92.2.145]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA288742; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 07:01:58 GMT Message-ID: <37846AAA.8AF6EEBE@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 11:08:58 +0200 From: Rainer =?iso-8859-1?Q?Frohnh=F6fer?= Reply-To: rfrohn@ibm.net Organization: I'm not organized at all X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Holloway , alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha 500a ok? References: <000c01bec8ed$1dd8bba0$eb3bea18@lvcm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Holloway wrote: > Hi FreeBSD/Alpha people..[snip]Some people have asked me why I'm > looking at Alpha and not Intel. Right now I have an Intel/FreeBSD > machine at home and it works great. However, I've always looked for > the best "bang for the buck" and $1400 is a pretty low price to pay > for the Alpha and I feel the components are built better. The SpecINT > on the Alpha 500 is still higher than any other used RISC based > machine in this price range (Sparc 20, SGI Indy, all with SpecINT > around 2.5 -> 4.5). Does anyone know of any issues or quirks with the > Alpha 500a machines? Or are they pretty stable? One word on the Spec* benchmarks: I guess the quoted numbers are the ones published by DEC. They probably used their highly polished compiler to produce the benchmark binaries --- on DEC OSF/1 a.k.a. True64 or what they changed the name to. On Net/FreeBSD you'll have to rely on the gcc/egcs family of compilers whose optimization for Alpha is less than perfect. At least, it was like that until gcc2.8.1 (I lost track of recent development). So, if you really get the best 'bang for the buck' is questionable. Any better information on that? I haven't seen any good benches for Alpha/Linux or *BSD recently. For myself, I'd go with the Alpha every day, just because it's got more style, but that's a different story. -Rain. -- "To save energy the light at the end of the tunnel will temporarily be switched off." (I don't employ for my speaker) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 9 2: 5:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from metzelkueche.tabu.uni-bonn.de (metzelkueche.tabu.uni-bonn.de [131.220.159.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4CA11552A; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 02:05:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from armin@metzelkueche.tabu.uni-bonn.de) Received: from localhost (armin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by metzelkueche.tabu.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30760; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:04:33 +0200 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:04:33 +0200 (MEST) From: Armin Ollig X-Sender: armin@metzelkueche.tabu.uni-bonn.de To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW on alpha working? In-Reply-To: <199907081926.NAA00319@panzer.kdm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > It works: Unfortunately not for me. I have a NCR810 and an 2940uw in the same machine (PC164_). The NCR works fine. The kernel detects my 2940uw and the UW disk that is connected. However i cannot access the disk at all (cat /dev/da0c and disklabel do not work). > > ahc0: irq 20 at device 10.0 on pci1 > ahc0: aic7890/91 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs > ahc0: interrupting at CIA irq 20 > da2 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da2: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled > da2: 4340MB (8888924 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 553C) Same kernel messages at my alphaPC164, except the disk is a quantum and the controller is early 2940uw. I have FBSD current from around last week. best regards, --armin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 9 8:35:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A0E14E0A; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:35:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA24896; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:34:51 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:34:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Armin Ollig Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW on alpha working? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You have to give more details than 'does not work'. We're good, but not telepathic. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 9 9:11:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from djk.saintl.com (djk.saintl.com [192.133.52.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E4F14EE1 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:11:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djk@djk.saintl.com) Received: from localhost (djk@localhost) by djk.saintl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00365 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:14:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:14:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Dirk Kleinhesselink To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha 500a ok Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Mark Holloway wrote: >> Hi FreeBSD/Alpha people..[snip]Some people have asked me why I'm >> looking at Alpha and not Intel. Right now I have an Intel/FreeBSD >> machine at home and it works great. However, I've always looked for >> the best "bang for the buck" and $1400 is a pretty low price to pay >> for the Alpha and I feel the components are built better. The SpecINT >> on the Alpha 500 is still higher than any other used RISC based >> machine in this price range (Sparc 20, SGI Indy, all with SpecINT >> around 2.5 -> 4.5). Does anyone know of any issues or quirks with the >> Alpha 500a machines? Or are they pretty stable? > > > One word on the Spec* benchmarks: I guess the quoted numbers are the > ones published by DEC. They probably used their highly polished compiler > to produce the benchmark binaries --- on DEC OSF/1 a.k.a. True64 or what > they changed the name to. On Net/FreeBSD you'll have to rely on the > gcc/egcs family of compilers whose optimization for Alpha is less than > perfect. At least, it was like that until gcc2.8.1 (I lost track of > recent development). So, if you really get the best 'bang for the buck' > is questionable. > > Any better information on that? I haven't seen any good benches for > Alpha/Linux or *BSD recently. > For myself, I'd go with the Alpha every day, just because it's got more > style, but that's a different story. > > -Rain Compaq has released for beta testing their Digital UNIX FORTRAN compiler ported to Linux/Alpha and this seems to be working pretty well, at least for me and for some of the people who've commented on it in the redhat-alpha list. Can Linux apps work on FreeBSD/alpha as they do for FreeBSD/386 ? I intend to try FreeBSD/alpha as soon as I can get my ARC based PC164 over to SRM. BTW the newest SRM recognizes and will boot from IDE drives, so I hope the FreeBSD/alpha developers can take advantage of this. OpenBSD will boot and install to IDE drives from SRM. Dirk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 9 10:40: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631D915672 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA73487; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from farrago.feral.com (farrago.feral.com [192.67.166.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7587615665 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:31:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@farrago.feral.com) Received: (from mjacob@localhost) by farrago.feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA17137; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:31:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob) Message-Id: <199907091731.KAA17137@farrago.feral.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:31:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: alpha/12579: procfs broken for alpha Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 12579 >Category: alpha >Synopsis: procfs broken for alpha >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-alpha >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Jul 9 10:40:01 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Matthew Jacob >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT alpha >Organization: Feral Software >Environment: Sources as of Fri Jul 9 10:31:15 PDT 1999 >Description: cc -c -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -g -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I/usr/include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h -mno-fp-regs -Wa,-mev56 ../../miscfs/procfs/procfs_dbregs.c ../../miscfs/procfs/procfs_dbregs.c: In function `procfs_dodbregs': ../../miscfs/procfs/procfs_dbregs.c:62: storage size of `r' isn't known ../../miscfs/procfs/procfs_dbregs.c:62: warning: unused variable `r' ../../miscfs/procfs/procfs_dbregs.c:63: warning: `kv' might be used uninitialized in this function >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 9 10:50:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C39514C3F; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:50:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from mjacob@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id KAA74767; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:50:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:50:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <199907091750.KAA74767@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mjacob@feral.com, mjacob@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: alpha/12579: procfs broken for alpha Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: procfs broken for alpha State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: mjacob State-Changed-When: Fri Jul 9 10:49:21 PDT 1999 State-Changed-Why: added stubs missing on the alpha procfs code To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 9 13:19: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9985214D7E for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:19:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA79681; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:16:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:16:46 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Dirk Kleinhesselink Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha 500a ok In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Dirk Kleinhesselink wrote: > > > > Mark Holloway wrote: > > >> Hi FreeBSD/Alpha people..[snip]Some people have asked me why I'm > >> looking at Alpha and not Intel. Right now I have an Intel/FreeBSD > >> machine at home and it works great. However, I've always looked for > >> the best "bang for the buck" and $1400 is a pretty low price to pay > >> for the Alpha and I feel the components are built better. The SpecINT > >> on the Alpha 500 is still higher than any other used RISC based > >> machine in this price range (Sparc 20, SGI Indy, all with SpecINT > >> around 2.5 -> 4.5). Does anyone know of any issues or quirks with the > >> Alpha 500a machines? Or are they pretty stable? > > > > > > One word on the Spec* benchmarks: I guess the quoted numbers are the > > ones published by DEC. They probably used their highly polished compiler > > to produce the benchmark binaries --- on DEC OSF/1 a.k.a. True64 or what > > they changed the name to. On Net/FreeBSD you'll have to rely on the > > gcc/egcs family of compilers whose optimization for Alpha is less than > > perfect. At least, it was like that until gcc2.8.1 (I lost track of > > recent development). So, if you really get the best 'bang for the buck' > > is questionable. > > > > Any better information on that? I haven't seen any good benches for > > Alpha/Linux or *BSD recently. > > > For myself, I'd go with the Alpha every day, just because it's got more > > style, but that's a different story. > > > > -Rain > Compaq has released for beta testing their Digital UNIX FORTRAN compiler > ported to Linux/Alpha and this seems to be working pretty well, at least > for me and for some of the people who've commented on it in the > redhat-alpha list. Can Linux apps work on FreeBSD/alpha as they do for > FreeBSD/386 ? The Linux emulator has not yet been ported. It shouldn't be a huge job though. > I intend to try FreeBSD/alpha as soon as I can get my ARC > based PC164 over to SRM. BTW the newest SRM recognizes and will boot from > IDE drives, so I hope the FreeBSD/alpha developers can take advantage of > this. OpenBSD will boot and install to IDE drives from SRM. Current snapshots don't include the ATA drivers needed for this. It might be a case of just adding the drivers to GENERIC but I'm not sure if sysinstall understands the ATA driver (it should). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 9 14:54:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from osbie.layer8.net (osbie.layer8.net [166.88.69.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 771A014C44 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:54:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from black@osbie.layer8.net) Received: (qmail 52930 invoked by uid 1001); 9 Jul 1999 21:54:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:54:47 -0700 From: Ben Black To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: fpa driver? Message-ID: <19990709145447.Z12860@layer8.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is the fpa driver functional on alpha? -- --b To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message