From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 29 8: 2:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from comet.connix.com (comet.connix.com [198.69.10.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF2315719 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 08:02:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from booga@comet.connix.com) Received: from localhost (booga@localhost) by comet.connix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24160; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:01:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Shawn Kelly O Shea Reply-To: sko@eth0.net To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Martin Heller , Chuck Robey , FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: Java In-Reply-To: <14280.39103.106078.648056@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org About 6 months ago I was looking into kaffe on Linux alpha. Current snapshot releases at that time weregetting close to supporting all features on Alpha. Maybe it's something to check out? http://www.kaffe.org/ -Shawn On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Martin Heller writes: > > There's JAVA for DU , OVMS, NT at > > http://www.digital.com/java/download/index.html > > MARTIN > > That won't work under emulation. It uses the native pthreads which in > turn use mach systems calls. I have no idea how they work or how to > emulate them.. > > Sorry.. > > Drew > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin > Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu > Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------- # ifconfig eth0.net "Shawn O'Shea" netmask 255.255.255.0 up # route add -net smtp shawn@eth0.net # route add -net http http://eth0.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 29 8:27:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.150.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680B215706 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 08:27:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from heller@informatik.uni-freiburg.de) Received: from merkur.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (merkur.informatik.uni-freiburg.de [132.230.151.11]) by avalon.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA18529; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:26:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (heller@localhost) by merkur.informatik.uni-freiburg.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA00377; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:26:26 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:26:26 +0200 (MET DST) From: Martin Heller To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Chuck Robey , FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: Java In-Reply-To: <14280.39103.106078.648056@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I thought he asked if there was Java for any kind of alpha os ... (as a DECUS member, you get OVMS + compilers for free - private use only) emulating DU native pthreads / mach syscalls ... well this is really not easy - most DU apps don't use them, but as you correctly stated Java does. On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Martin Heller writes: > > There's JAVA for DU , OVMS, NT at > > http://www.digital.com/java/download/index.html > > MARTIN > > That won't work under emulation. It uses the native pthreads which in > turn use mach systems calls. I have no idea how they work or how to > emulate them.. > > Sorry.. > > Drew > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin > Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu > Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 29 9:17:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E648115737 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:17:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23522; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:14:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:14:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Martin Heller Cc: Andrew Gallatin , FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: Java In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Martin Heller wrote: > I thought he asked if there was Java for any kind of alpha os ... > (as a DECUS member, you get OVMS + compilers for free - private > use only) > emulating DU native pthreads / mach syscalls ... well this is > really not easy - most DU apps don't use them, but as you > correctly stated Java does. That's ok. I meant any kind of emulation that FreeBSD was capable of, I wanted to run Java on my new Alpha. > > On Sat, 28 Aug 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > Martin Heller writes: > > > There's JAVA for DU , OVMS, NT at > > > http://www.digital.com/java/download/index.html > > > MARTIN > > > > That won't work under emulation. It uses the native pthreads which in > > turn use mach systems calls. I have no idea how they work or how to > > emulate them.. > > > > Sorry.. > > > > Drew > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin > > Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu > > Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD/i386 (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD/Alpha ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 29 10:19:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.ham.muohio.edu (dragon.ham.muohio.edu [134.53.141.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FEF1537E for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:19:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by dragon.ham.muohio.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24734; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:46:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dragon.ham.muohio.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:46:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Howard X-Sender: howardjp@dragon.ham.muohio.edu To: sko@eth0.net Cc: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: Java In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Shawn Kelly O Shea wrote: > About 6 months ago I was looking into kaffe on Linux alpha. Current Does FreeBSD/Alpha run Linux/Alpha binaries? Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 29 11:36:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0065A152EB for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:36:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10542; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA17564; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:36:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:36:25 -0400 (EDT) To: Jamie Howard Cc: sko@eth0.net, FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: Java In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14281.27642.391620.757352@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jamie Howard writes: > On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Shawn Kelly O Shea wrote: > > > About 6 months ago I was looking into kaffe on Linux alpha. Current > > Does FreeBSD/Alpha run Linux/Alpha binaries? > > Jamie > I'm working on it. Its a bit more of a challenge than I'd thought, primarily because linux/alpha is a bit more of a dirty hack than I'd expected. They've moved their system call numbers around & share a number of calls with osf/1, their flags (eg, mmap flags, ioctl numbers, etc) are also different. This is probably a result of their initial bootstrap from osf/1. Still a lot of problems, but some (simple) things work: <2:28pm>broil/gallatin:linux>uname -srm FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT alpha <2:28pm>broil/gallatin:linux>/compat/linux/bin/bash bash$ /compat/linux/bin/uname Linux bash$ /bin/uname -srm Linux 2.2.5 alpha bash$ exit However, nothing truely useful works yet. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 29 22:48: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461CF14F4B for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:47:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-44.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.44] (may be forged)) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA26342; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:46:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37CA1AC6.2A77C6B4@airnet.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:46:46 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Jamie Howard , sko@eth0.net, FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: Java References: <14281.27642.391620.757352@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Jamie Howard writes: > > On Sun, 29 Aug 1999, Shawn Kelly O Shea wrote: > > > > > About 6 months ago I was looking into kaffe on Linux alpha. Current > > > > Does FreeBSD/Alpha run Linux/Alpha binaries? > > > > Jamie > > > > I'm working on it. Its a bit more of a challenge than I'd thought, > primarily because linux/alpha is a bit more of a dirty hack than I'd > expected. They've moved their system call numbers around & share a > number of calls with osf/1, their flags (eg, mmap flags, ioctl > numbers, etc) are also different. This is probably a result of their > initial bootstrap from osf/1. > > Still a lot of problems, but some (simple) things work: > > <2:28pm>broil/gallatin:linux>uname -srm > FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT alpha > <2:28pm>broil/gallatin:linux>/compat/linux/bin/bash > bash$ /compat/linux/bin/uname > Linux > bash$ /bin/uname -srm > Linux 2.2.5 alpha > bash$ exit > > However, nothing truely useful works yet. Hey, if rc5des for linux/alpha works, I'm happy. -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 30 6:18:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08EEA15709 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 06:18:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04866 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:17:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:17:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199908301317.PAA04866@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Java Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: oliver.fromme@heim3.tu-clausthal.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kirby wrote in list.freebsd-alpha: > Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Jamie Howard writes: > > > Does FreeBSD/Alpha run Linux/Alpha binaries? > > > > I'm working on it. Its a bit more of a challenge than I'd thought, > > [...] > > However, nothing truely useful works yet. > > Hey, if rc5des for linux/alpha works, I'm happy. If anyone needs a FreeBSD/Alpha binary of the setiathome client, let me know. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 30 6:24:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A01814BE1 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 06:24:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA23944; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA18906; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:24:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:24:38 -0400 (EDT) To: Kris Kirby Cc: Jamie Howard , sko@eth0.net, FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: Java In-Reply-To: <37CA1AC6.2A77C6B4@airnet.net> References: <14281.27642.391620.757352@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <37CA1AC6.2A77C6B4@airnet.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14282.33315.863444.271338@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kirby writes: > > However, nothing truely useful works yet. > > Hey, if rc5des for linux/alpha works, I'm happy. > The OSF/1 client already works & the osf/1 emulation is much more mature than the linux emulation on alpha. Assuming they built it w/DEC compilers, it should be considerably faster than the linux client. Grab http://www.freebsd.org/~gallatin/osf1.tar.gz (this is for -current, not -stable). Build & load the osf/1 kernel module. Put the following into /compat/osf1/etc/svc.conf: aliases=local group=local,yp hosts=bind,local,yp netgroup=local,yp networks=local,yp passwd=local,yp protocols=local,yp rpc=local,yp services=local,yp SECLEVEL=BSD # for backwards compatibility ONLY I think you'll also need to tell it what CPU you have. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 30 7:45:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3315815743 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 07:45:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01129; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA19159; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:43:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:43:56 -0400 (EDT) To: Kris Kirby Cc: Jamie Howard , sko@eth0.net, FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: Java In-Reply-To: <37CA1AC6.2A77C6B4@airnet.net> References: <14281.27642.391620.757352@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <37CA1AC6.2A77C6B4@airnet.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14282.38946.282560.169780@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To follow up on my own mail -- I've updated my osf1 tarball at http://www.freebsd.org/~gallatin/osf1.tar.gz This provides some minor cleanups to be more conformant with style(9) as well as a fix to osf1_usleep_thread() to catch sleep values which are too small. This will prevent rc5des from going to sleep & never waking up. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 30 10:11:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail13.digital.com (mail13.digital.com [192.208.46.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A3F15339 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:11:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikel@zso.dec.com) Received: from slugbt.zso.dec.com (slugbt.zso.dec.com [16.64.0.18]) by mail13.digital.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/WV2.0g) with SMTP id NAA11441; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jupiter.zso.dec.com by slugbt.zso.dec.com (5.65v4.0/DECwest-OSF-Nov-11-93) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:09:47 -0700 Message-Id: <9908301709.AA21257@slugbt.zso.dec.com> To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com Cc: dg@root.com, tlambert@primenet.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <7557.935737955@localhost> (jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Clustering? From: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Reply-To: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks Jordan for hooking me up with them! I got email back from them; for the record, the product is "PolyServe", not "PolyServ", this makes a big difference trying to find their website . They're at http://www.polyserve.com and the product is called "Understudy". > To: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) > Cc: dg@root.com, tlambert@primenet.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Clustering? > Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:12:35 -0700 > From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > > > However, I'd be happy to get minimal one-or-the-other functionality like > > Wolfpack does. I run a small-time website hosting business off a FreeBSD > > server, and something as crude as this would be a big improvement over the > > current mechanism where on failure, I'd have to physically swap the drive > > cable to a partner machine and boot it. > > It sounds like you want the product that a company called Polyserv is > putting out. It handles fail-over to n servers (IP service monitoring) > and data replication through the Intermezzo shared filesystem. > > - Jordan > > > -- *** Due to layoffs, I will lose my old zso.dec.com address as of *** *** 07-Sep-1999. Please update your address book entry for me. *** Pacific NorthWest wine, blues, jazz info; http://vintners.net/~mikel Mike Lempriere-Home: *** mikel@vintners.net *** WA State resident-junk email prohibited by law: RCW19.190 & RCW19.86 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 30 12:25: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9187F1533B for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:25:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08409 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA19491; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:24:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:24:32 -0400 (EDT) To: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: Java In-Reply-To: <14282.38946.282560.169780@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <14281.27642.391620.757352@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <37CA1AC6.2A77C6B4@airnet.net> <14282.38946.282560.169780@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14282.55596.197430.976538@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To follow up on my own mail AGAIN, the linux rc5des client works and actually appears to be faster than the osf client on my 21264: OSF: 705.85 kkeys/s vs. Linux: 1.02 Mkeys/s The probably didn't use the DEC compilers. Sigh. BTW: The linux code isn't ready for prime-time. If somebody really, really wants it, I can give them early access. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 31 8:39:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from castle.netlink.co.uk (castle.netlink.co.uk [194.88.140.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0056C14E5D for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:34:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoffb@castle.netlink.co.uk) Received: (from geoffb@localhost) by castle.netlink.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00376 for alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:57:22 +0100 (BST) From: Geoff Buckingham Message-Id: <199908311557.QAA00376@castle.netlink.co.uk> Subject: Refusal to boot multi user To: alpha@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:57:22 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My alpha current of about 6-7 weeks ago refuses to boot multi user unaided It simply drops into single user mode without repoering any errors ctrl D takes it multi user without any errors, I would be gratfull for any ideas. -- GeoffB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 31 8:43:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9432F14E5D for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:43:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA29187; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA23371; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:43:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:43:22 -0400 (EDT) To: Geoff Buckingham Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Refusal to boot multi user In-Reply-To: <199908311557.QAA00376@castle.netlink.co.uk> References: <199908311557.QAA00376@castle.netlink.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14283.63498.144988.691808@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Geoff Buckingham writes: > > My alpha current of about 6-7 weeks ago refuses to boot multi user unaided > > It simply drops into single user mode without repoering any errors ctrl D > takes it multi user without any errors, I would be gratfull for any ideas. > >From the the SRM console (the >>> prompt) type 'set boot_osflags A' Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 31 10:35: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A4A14CE1 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:35:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from feral.com (mjacob@feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA13038; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:32:54 -0700 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:32:54 -0700 (PWT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Geoff Buckingham Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Refusal to boot multi user In-Reply-To: <199908311557.QAA00376@castle.netlink.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Geoff... hope your new jobs/life is going well... you need to set a prom variable to go to multiuser as a default. set bootdef_flags a is what it is, I believe... On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Geoff Buckingham wrote: > > My alpha current of about 6-7 weeks ago refuses to boot multi user unaided > > It simply drops into single user mode without repoering any errors ctrl D > takes it multi user without any errors, I would be gratfull for any ideas. > > -- > GeoffB > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 31 10:36:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from castle.netlink.co.uk (castle.netlink.co.uk [194.88.140.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A28814E21 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:36:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoffb@castle.netlink.co.uk) Received: (from geoffb@localhost) by castle.netlink.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05746; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:00:07 +0100 (BST) From: Geoff Buckingham Message-Id: <199908311800.TAA05746@castle.netlink.co.uk> Subject: Re: Refusal to boot multi user In-Reply-To: from Matthew Jacob at "Aug 31, 99 10:32:54 am" To: mjacob@feral.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:00:07 +0100 (BST) Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi Geoff... hope your new jobs/life is going well... > > you need to set a prom variable to go to multiuser as a default. > > set bootdef_flags a > That worked thanks. > > is what it is, I believe... > > > On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Geoff Buckingham wrote: > > > > > My alpha current of about 6-7 weeks ago refuses to boot multi user unaided > > > > It simply drops into single user mode without repoering any errors ctrl D > > takes it multi user without any errors, I would be gratfull for any ideas. > > > > -- > > GeoffB > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 31 10:42:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from castle.netlink.co.uk (castle.netlink.co.uk [194.88.140.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CEA614E21 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:42:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoffb@castle.netlink.co.uk) Received: (from geoffb@localhost) by castle.netlink.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05789; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:02:38 +0100 (BST) From: Geoff Buckingham Message-Id: <199908311802.TAA05789@castle.netlink.co.uk> Subject: Re: Refusal to boot multi user In-Reply-To: <14283.63498.144988.691808@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> from Andrew Gallatin at "Aug 31, 99 11:43:22 am" To: gallatin@cs.duke.edu (Andrew Gallatin) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:02:38 +0100 (BST) Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Geoff Buckingham writes: > > > > >From the the SRM console (the >>> prompt) type 'set boot_osflags A' > As said elsewhere, for anyone following this through archives, this worked. Thanks. -- GeoffB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Sep 1 7:38:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7135914FD9 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:38:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA86700 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:38:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:38:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: relative alpha speed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have just begin to compare my dual 333 MHz PII system against my PC164SX system. I haven't any rela confidence yet that I've got the new PC164SX correctly set up (particularly, I am not certain about the way I have my RAM installed), but in timing and comparing makes of buildworld and of the kernel, the 333 MHZ PII seems to be beating the 533MHz Alpha by nearly 2:1. I did the testing before and after I activated softupdates on the alpha, and I was very surprised to note that I saw about a 5 percent slowdown when using softupdates. Are these experiences what I should have expected, or should I take this as clear evidence that I have something misconfigured? ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD/i386 (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD/Alpha ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Sep 1 7:50:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C3114E0F for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 07:50:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27322; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA00462; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:50:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:50:26 -0400 (EDT) To: Chuck Robey Cc: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: relative alpha speed In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14285.15184.962395.217919@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chuck Robey writes: > I have just begin to compare my dual 333 MHz PII system against my > PC164SX system. I haven't any rela confidence yet that I've got the new > PC164SX correctly set up (particularly, I am not certain about the way I > have my RAM installed), but in timing and comparing makes of buildworld > and of the kernel, the 333 MHZ PII seems to be beating the 533MHz Alpha > by nearly 2:1. Bear in mind that the alpha is a risc machine. Compilers for risc machines tend to have a more difficult task and take longer. Also bear in mind that the size of the objects produced on an alpha are just about double the size on an x86, so if you have the same amount of memory on both boxes, the alpha will be breathing a lot harder. For example, I just built the world last night on both platforms. The size of /usr/obj on the alpha was ~420MB, and on the i386 it was 220MB. How much memory do you have in each machine? Also, your PC164SX is more the alpha equivalent of a 300Mhz Celeron, not a dual PII. Its missing one level of the cache hierarchy entirely. > I did the testing before and after I activated softupdates on the alpha, > and I was very surprised to note that I saw about a 5 percent slowdown > when using softupdates. No idea about this. Softupdates are usually faster here. I've been running softupdates on alphas for over a year with no problems. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Sep 1 8: 5:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zaphod.in.tu-clausthal.de (zaphod.in.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.100.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4190514E17 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:05:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jc@joerch.org) Received: from eressea.in.tu-clausthal.de (37cd405281279@eressea.in.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.100.9]) by zaphod.in.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA07208; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:03:46 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:03:46 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199909011503.RAA07208@zaphod.in.tu-clausthal.de> From: Joerg Czeranski To: Chuck Robey , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: relative alpha speed Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chuck Robey wrote: > I have just begin to compare my dual 333 MHz PII system against my > PC164SX system. I haven't any rela confidence yet that I've got the new > PC164SX correctly set up (particularly, I am not certain about the way I > have my RAM installed), but in timing and comparing makes of buildworld > and of the kernel, the 333 MHZ PII seems to be beating the 533MHz Alpha > by nearly 2:1. That seems right, for integer stuff my AlphaPC164 500MHz (21164A, yours is a 21164PC) is ~25% slower than a single PII-400. Make should scale well to two processors, so the dual-PII should be about twice as fast as a 533MHz 21164PC. (N.b.: 21164 is 96/97's technology) > I did the testing before and after I activated softupdates on the alpha, > and I was very surprised to note that I saw about a 5 percent slowdown > when using softupdates. > > Are these experiences what I should have expected, or should I take this > as clear evidence that I have something misconfigured? I don't know anything about the FreeBSD specifics. joerch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Sep 1 10:31:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84AFF14C9F for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:31:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-3-21.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.21]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27833; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA21661; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:29:56 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Chuck Robey Cc: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: relative alpha speed Message-ID: <19990901102956.J62240@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > and of the kernel, the 333 MHZ PII seems to be beating the 533MHz Alpha > by nearly 2:1. JDP told me his takes around 1.5 hours for a make buildworld, with "CFLAGS=-mcpu=ev56 -O -pipe" in /etc/make.conf. This specs are: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: Thu Aug 5 16:11:13 PDT 1999 jdp@alpha.polstra.com:/a/src/sys/compile/ALPHA EB164 Digital AlphaPC 164LX 533 MHz, 531MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: EV56 (21164A) major=7 minor=2 extensions=0x1 OSF PAL rev: 0x1000100020116 real memory = 132276224 (129176K bytes) avail memory = 124100608 (121192K bytes) -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Sep 1 10:32:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F26315A67 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:32:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-3-21.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.21]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27856; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:32:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA21682; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:32:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:32:33 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: relative alpha speed Message-ID: <19990901103233.K62240@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <14285.15184.962395.217919@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: <14285.15184.962395.217919@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 10:50:26AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > Also, your PC164SX is more the alpha equivalent of a 300Mhz Celeron, > not a dual PII. Its missing one level of the cache hierarchy > entirely. What are the relative performance of the 164LX, 164SX, and PC164(am I refering to this properly)? Also the CPU's that match these boards. I'm having trouble finding suffient docs on the various models of 500-533MHz parts. Is there a good source for 164LX boards? -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Sep 1 10:35:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D3315392 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:35:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-3-21.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.21]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27865; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:34:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA21696; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:34:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:34:10 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Chuck Robey Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: relative alpha speed Message-ID: <19990901103410.L62240@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > PC164SX correctly set up (particularly, I am not certain about the way I > have my RAM installed) I was reading in the NetBSD/Alpha lists that the PC164 board must have all of its memory slots filled to get the memory bandwidth of a 164LX. Can anyone here comment? (I might easily be blowing it out my ass WRT to the way I'm refering to things here) -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Sep 1 10:44:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zaphod.in.tu-clausthal.de (zaphod.in.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.100.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409C415597 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:44:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jc@joerch.org) Received: from eressea.in.tu-clausthal.de (37cd65b58eaba@eressea.in.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.100.9]) by zaphod.in.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA24686; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:43:17 +0200 (MET DST) From: Joerg Czeranski To: obrien@NUXI.com, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <19990901103410.L62240@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:43:12 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <5yqaTz5zL$4fQ$1@joerch.org> Subject: Re: relative alpha speed Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien wrote: > > PC164SX correctly set up (particularly, I am not certain about the way I > > have my RAM installed) > > I was reading in the NetBSD/Alpha lists that the PC164 board must have > all of its memory slots filled to get the memory bandwidth of a 164LX. > Can anyone here comment? (I might easily be blowing it out my ass WRT > to the way I'm refering to things here) The PC164 (= AlphaPC 164) supports 128bit on the memory bus with four of the PS/2 slots filled, and 256bit with all eight PS/2 slots filled. The 164SX (= PC164SX = AlphaPC 164SX) and the 164LX only have one possible bus configuration regardless of the number of slots used. joerch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Sep 1 12: 7:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD782154DA for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:07:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA04484; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA00770; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:06:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:06:20 -0400 (EDT) To: obrien@NUXI.com Cc: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: relative alpha speed In-Reply-To: <19990901103233.K62240@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <14285.15184.962395.217919@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <19990901103233.K62240@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14285.30795.469601.964937@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien writes: > On Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 10:50:26AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Also, your PC164SX is more the alpha equivalent of a 300Mhz Celeron, > > not a dual PII. Its missing one level of the cache hierarchy > > entirely. > > What are the relative performance of the 164LX, 164SX, and PC164(am I > refering to this properly)? Also the CPU's that match these boards. I'm > having trouble finding suffient docs on the various models of 500-533MHz > parts. > > Is there a good source for 164LX boards? I think the relative performance is PC164 (with both memory banks populated), 164LX, and 164SX. I don't know of any good sources. Be careful to avoid the 164UX. This board does not support the SRM console & FreeBSD cannot be booted on it. I do know that you can find Personal Workstations (aka DPW, aka Miata) for somewhere in the $1000 -- $2000 range if you look hard enough. These are similar to 164LXs, but have slightly lower memory bandwidth. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Sep 1 12:37:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D612615A97 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:37:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00427; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:30:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199909011930.MAA00427@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Chuck Robey Cc: FreeBSD-Alpha Subject: Re: relative alpha speed In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 01 Sep 1999 10:38:08 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 12:30:35 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have just begin to compare my dual 333 MHz PII system against my > PC164SX system. I haven't any rela confidence yet that I've got the new > PC164SX correctly set up (particularly, I am not certain about the way I > have my RAM installed), but in timing and comparing makes of buildworld > and of the kernel, the 333 MHZ PII seems to be beating the 533MHz Alpha > by nearly 2:1. > > I did the testing before and after I activated softupdates on the alpha, > and I was very surprised to note that I saw about a 5 percent slowdown > when using softupdates. > > Are these experiences what I should have expected, or should I take this > as clear evidence that I have something misconfigured? As has already been pointed out, the Alpha backend for gcc takes a lot more CPU than the i386 backend for the same task, so neither of these are good cross-platform benchmarks. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Sep 1 13:56:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from fuzzy.helloworld.org (adsl-216-62-132-139.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [216.62.132.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C7A915A4A for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:56:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@fuzzy.helloworld.org) Received: (from jon@localhost) by fuzzy.helloworld.org (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id PAA01813 for alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:57:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:57:33 -0500 (CDT) From: jon@cops.com Message-Id: <199909012057.PAA01813@fuzzy.helloworld.org> To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: relative alpha speed X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am a little perplexed about all of this. If the performance and disk space usage are better on intel what benefit do I have using an alpha instead of an intel... besides just being cooler than all of my intel friends? Jon Rowell > From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 1 14:09:08 1999 > Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org > From: Andrew Gallatin > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:06:20 -0400 (EDT) > To: obrien@NUXI.com > Cc: FreeBSD-Alpha > Subject: Re: relative alpha speed > X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > David O'Brien writes: > > On Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 10:50:26AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > Also, your PC164SX is more the alpha equivalent of a 300Mhz Celeron, > > > not a dual PII. Its missing one level of the cache hierarchy > > > entirely. > > > > What are the relative performance of the 164LX, 164SX, and PC164(am I > > refering to this properly)? Also the CPU's that match these boards. I'm > > having trouble finding suffient docs on the various models of 500-533MHz > > parts. > > > > Is there a good source for 164LX boards? > > I think the relative performance is PC164 (with both memory banks > populated), 164LX, and 164SX. I don't know of any good sources. Be > careful to avoid the 164UX. This board does not support the SRM > console & FreeBSD cannot be booted on it. > > I do know that you can find Personal Workstations (aka DPW, aka Miata) > for somewhere in the $1000 -- $2000 range if you look hard enough. > These are similar to 164LXs, but have slightly lower memory > bandwidth. > > Drew > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin > Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu > Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Sep 1 14:40:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C7615C2F for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:40:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA67342; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:40:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:40:45 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: jon@cops.com Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: relative alpha speed In-Reply-To: <199909012057.PAA01813@fuzzy.helloworld.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 jon@cops.com wrote: > > I am a little perplexed about all of this. If the performance and > disk space usage are better on intel what benefit do I have using an > alpha instead of an intel... besides just being cooler than all of my > intel friends? Floating point performance rocks compared to intel. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Sep 1 14:47:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9BD15B16 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:47:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05140; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:48:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:48:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: "David O'Brien" Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: relative alpha speed In-Reply-To: <19990901103410.L62240@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, David O'Brien wrote: > > PC164SX correctly set up (particularly, I am not certain about the way I > > have my RAM installed) > > I was reading in the NetBSD/Alpha lists that the PC164 board must have > all of its memory slots filled to get the memory bandwidth of a 164LX. > Can anyone here comment? (I might easily be blowing it out my ass WRT > to the way I'm refering to things here) I know that's true for the PC164, but not, I thought, for the PC164SX. No, I'm certain of that one, but I'm not sure I have the 4 slots filled right (I use 2 of them, but which two?) I am using the first 2 now, which seems like what the manual says, but it's a little ambiguous. > > -- > -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) > ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD/i386 (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD/Alpha ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Sep 1 17:16: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from MAIL.MEGABITS.NET (mail.megabits.net [207.30.122.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F371543D for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:16:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gmckinney@megabits.net) Received: from gary2 (host-216-76-214-172.coi.bellsouth.net [216.76.214.172]) by MAIL.MEGABITS.NET (8.9.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA28711; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002601bef4d8$24abba60$1e00000a@gary2.megabits.net> From: "Gary McKinney" To: , "Chuck Robey" Cc: Subject: Re: relative alpha speed Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:14:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to my PC164 motherboard manual (if you consider a thin book a manual ) the PC164 can be populated with half the memory slots filled and a jumper set to indicate the data path to the RAM is 128-bits wide. With all eight slots filled (must be the SAME SIZE SIMMs) and the jumper set in the "other" configuration the data path is 256-bits wide (which I think is the configuration of the LX motherboard ([and the EB164 motherboard as well - have one of them too with the docs...])... I would opt to run all eight slots as the Memory Manager can then keep the CPU running full speed (no wait state insertions because the memory data path is too narrow)... Hope this helps... gm... -----Original Message----- From: David O'Brien To: Chuck Robey Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 1:37 PM Subject: Re: relative alpha speed >> PC164SX correctly set up (particularly, I am not certain about the way I >> have my RAM installed) > >I was reading in the NetBSD/Alpha lists that the PC164 board must have >all of its memory slots filled to get the memory bandwidth of a 164LX. >Can anyone here comment? (I might easily be blowing it out my ass WRT >to the way I'm refering to things here) > >-- >-- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Sep 1 17:23:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30841543D for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:23:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06994; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:23:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:23:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Gary McKinney Cc: obrien@NUXI.com, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: relative alpha speed In-Reply-To: <002601bef4d8$24abba60$1e00000a@gary2.megabits.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Gary McKinney wrote: > According to my PC164 motherboard manual (if you consider a thin book a > manual ) the PC164 can be populated with half the memory slots filled > and a jumper set to indicate the data path to the RAM is 128-bits wide. > With all eight slots filled (must be the SAME SIZE SIMMs) and the jumper set > in the "other" configuration the data path is 256-bits wide (which I think > is the configuration of the LX motherboard ([and the EB164 motherboard as > well - have one of them too with the docs...])... I would opt to run all > eight slots as the Memory Manager can then keep the CPU running full speed > (no wait state insertions because the memory data path is too narrow)... I'm going to guess here and say you meant the PC164 only, and not the PC164SX, right? I can't see any such connector called out in the PC164SX's manual. We all have to keep in mind here that the PC164, PC164SX, and PC164LX are all different animals. ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD/i386 (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD/Alpha ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Sep 1 17:41:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C430B14D41 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:41:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07074; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:41:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:41:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Joerg Czeranski Cc: obrien@NUXI.com, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: relative alpha speed In-Reply-To: <5yqaTz5zL$4fQ$1@joerch.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Joerg Czeranski wrote: > David O'Brien wrote: > > > PC164SX correctly set up (particularly, I am not certain about the way I > > > have my RAM installed) > > > > I was reading in the NetBSD/Alpha lists that the PC164 board must have > > all of its memory slots filled to get the memory bandwidth of a 164LX. > > Can anyone here comment? (I might easily be blowing it out my ass WRT > > to the way I'm refering to things here) > > The PC164 (= AlphaPC 164) supports 128bit on the memory bus with four > of the PS/2 slots filled, and 256bit with all eight PS/2 slots filled. > > The 164SX (= PC164SX = AlphaPC 164SX) and the 164LX only have one > possible bus configuration regardless of the number of slots used. Yes, but page 1-3 of the manual, section 1.1.2, at the end of the paragraph refers to main memory as a 128 bit array. This makes me think that the PC164SX's memory is 128 bits wide. I'm using 72 bit wide PC100 SDRAMs, 64MB X 2. > > joerch > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD/i386 (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD/Alpha ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 2 1:18:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from laurasia.com.au (lauras.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.93.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA27814EC5 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 01:18:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@laurasia.com.au) Received: (from mike@localhost) by laurasia.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA19052 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:16:02 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from mike) From: Michael Kennett Message-Id: <199909020816.QAA19052@laurasia.com.au> Subject: Changes to binutils (--target=alpha-freebsd) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:16:01 +0800 (WST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello All, This morning I tried building a cross of binutils (from i386-freebsd) for the target alpha-freebsd. The configuration worked (./configure --target= alpha-freebsd), but during the build there were linkage errors in ld/. (Nothing serious, just unresolved externals.) I've changed the following files to allow the cross-binutils to build: bfd/config.bfd 56a57,60 > alpha*-*-freebsd*) > targ_defvec=bfd_elf64_alpha_vec > targ_selvecs=ecoffalpha_little_vec > ;; bfd/configure.in 116a117 > alpha*-*-freebsd*) COREFILE=elf-core.lo ;; This last change (configure.in) is not necessary for building a cross of binutils. AFAIK, it sets the format of the core file (!), and as yet, I haven't got FreeBSD up and running on an alpha to test it. i.e. IT IS VERY PROBABLY WRONG (!) AND NEEDS TESTING Can these changes be checked, and submitted into the source tree? In the next few days, I'll attempt to build world for the alpha target. I've had a (quick) dig around the /usr/src/Makefile's, and it appears that support for cross-compilation exists. It appears to be as simple as setting TARGET, and TARGET_ARCH. I'd appreciate any comments/hints on how to go about the build. Kind Regards, Michael Kennett (mike@laurasia.com.au) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 2 13:28:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from ding.mindspring.com (ding.mindspring.com [207.69.142.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A5C15B39 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:28:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brianpet@ding.mindspring.com) Received: from localhost (brianpet@localhost) by ding.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA30807 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:31:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:31:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "brian j. peterson" Reply-To: "brian j. peterson" To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unfortunately, i don't have any help to offer here. i just wanted to say that i ran into the same problem. i have an AS200 4/233 with 80 MB RAM and a 2.1 GB SCSI hard drive (/usr is ~1.5 GB). during the FTP install of FreeBSD/alpha 3.2-RELEASE, i get the following error: "Write failure on transfer! (wrote -1 bytes of 1024 bytes)". this occurs during the transfer of slib and appears to occur in (or around) chunk 18. i was originally running SRM 6.2-2 when i ran into this problem, but i have since upgraded to SRM 7.0-9 and am still seeing the same problem. does anyone know if this is a problem with the distrobution? or if this is a problem isolated to AS200 4/233s? or what? if i need to provide more information, don't hesitate to ask. -bjp On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Don wrote: # Problem: # While attempting to install FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE on my Alpha I keep getting # an error that the machine could not transfer slib (while installing # /usr/src) This has occurred several times and occurs with the boot # floppies in the 3.2 release and 3.2 stable directories. I have also tried # this on 3 different Alpha systems with no luck. The site for the install # was ftp.freebsd.org. # # The machines in question are AS200 4/233's with 96 megs of ram and 3 gig # scsi hard disks. I am also getting a repeated sig 11 (whenever I tell the # system to cancel the installation I get a sig 11 on every one of the # systems) # # Could someone please let me know what I am doing incorrectly. # # (Previously 2 of these systems had NetBSD and one had FreeBSD current on # them; all of which went in smoothly) # # -don # # # # To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org # with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message # # To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 2 14:11:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from alfheim.satanic.net (alfheim.satanic.net [194.200.106.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C22D314D0F for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 14:11:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nicolai@satanic.net) Received: from nicolai by alfheim.satanic.net with local (Exim) id 11Me8f-0005Ou-00; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:11:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14286.59384.798578.95115@alfheim.satanic.net> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:11:20 +0100 (BST) From: Nicolai E M Plum To: "brian j. peterson" Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation Problem In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.67 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org brian j. peterson writes: > unfortunately, i don't have any help to offer here. i just wanted to say > that i ran into the same problem. > > i have an AS200 4/233 with 80 MB RAM and a 2.1 GB SCSI hard drive (/usr is > ~1.5 GB). during the FTP install of FreeBSD/alpha 3.2-RELEASE, i get the > following error: "Write failure on transfer! (wrote -1 bytes of 1024 > bytes)". this occurs during the transfer of slib and appears to occur in > (or around) chunk 18. i was originally running SRM 6.2-2 when i ran into > this problem, but i have since upgraded to SRM 7.0-9 and am still seeing > the same problem. > > does anyone know if this is a problem with the distrobution? or if this > is a problem isolated to AS200 4/233s? or what? I have had this also. I discovered the following: In a standard-layout FTP tree, eg my local copy (mirror.uk.uu.net, feel free to use it if it's near you) the directory /pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/3.2-RELEASE/src contains -r--r--r-- 1 mirror nobody 240640 May 16 20:29 slib.ao -r--r--r-- 1 mirror nobody 240640 May 16 20:29 slib.ap -r--r--r-- 1 mirror nobody 32768 May 16 21:52 slib.aq -r--r--r-- 1 mirror nobody 240640 May 16 20:29 slib.ar -r--r--r-- 1 mirror nobody 240640 May 16 20:29 slib.as so slib.aq appears to be short. It's short on ftp.freebsd.org as well. I just avoided the problem by installing a snapshot of 4.0. 4.0 seems to work a whole lot better for me anyway; 3.2-RELEASE seems to hang up after a while with errors from the SCSI driver to do with not being able to read a page of swap (which I seem to have lost the copy I saved of :-( ). Nicolai -- I speak only for myself. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 2 17: 4: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from calis.blacksun.org (Calis.blacksun.org [168.100.186.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCDD14E59 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 17:03:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from don@calis.blacksun.org) Received: from localhost (don@localhost) by calis.blacksun.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA01522; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:01:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from don@calis.blacksun.org) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:01:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Don To: "brian j. peterson" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installation Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > unfortunately, i don't have any help to offer here. i just wanted to say > that i ran into the same problem. > > i have an AS200 4/233 with 80 MB RAM and a 2.1 GB SCSI hard drive (/usr is > ~1.5 GB). during the FTP install of FreeBSD/alpha 3.2-RELEASE, i get the > following error: "Write failure on transfer! (wrote -1 bytes of 1024 > bytes)". this occurs during the transfer of slib and appears to occur in > (or around) chunk 18. i was originally running SRM 6.2-2 when i ran into > this problem, but i have since upgraded to SRM 7.0-9 and am still seeing > the same problem. > > does anyone know if this is a problem with the distrobution? or if this > is a problem isolated to AS200 4/233s? or what? The problem is with the distribution. There is a checksum error on that part of distribution. (if you switch to tty4 whil doing the install you will see the error.) I dont know why this hasnt been fixed but everyone seems to be having the error. I also simply installed 4.0 which works great but makes me uncomfortable (I always prefer stability). Everything has gone well with 4.0 with the exception of an ncr scsi controller bus error that occurs any time I reboot after changing the scsi delay time in the kernel. -don To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 2 18:45:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645FC15021 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:45:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02697 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:39:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199909030139.SAA02697@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Reorg of the alpha/SRM bootcode sources Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 18:39:42 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As a tiny part of what I'm doing on the diskless boot support I'd like to reorganise the layout of the alpha/SRM specific boot code. Can any interested parties have a look at http://www.freebsd.org/~msmith/alpha-boot.diff and comment? The goal is mostly to reduce duplication, as well as to make it easy to generate various flavours loader relatively easily. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 2 18:49:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDE814F28 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:49:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA22632; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:48:58 -0700 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:48:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Mike Smith Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reorg of the alpha/SRM bootcode sources In-Reply-To: <199909030139.SAA02697@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It would help if it were there. On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > As a tiny part of what I'm doing on the diskless boot support I'd like > to reorganise the layout of the alpha/SRM specific boot code. Can any > interested parties have a look at > > http://www.freebsd.org/~msmith/alpha-boot.diff > > and comment? The goal is mostly to reduce duplication, as well as to > make it easy to generate various flavours loader relatively easily. > > -- > \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith > \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 2 18:53: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9383914F28 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:53:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA02747; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:46:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199909030146.SAA02747@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: Mike Smith , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reorg of the alpha/SRM bootcode sources In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Sep 1999 18:48:54 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 18:46:22 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gah, not doing well with this publishing stuff for review; I should just commit it I guess. 8) Try again, and sorry. > It would help if it were there. > > > On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > As a tiny part of what I'm doing on the diskless boot support I'd like > > to reorganise the layout of the alpha/SRM specific boot code. Can any > > interested parties have a look at > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/~msmith/alpha-boot.diff > > > > and comment? The goal is mostly to reduce duplication, as well as to > > make it easy to generate various flavours loader relatively easily. > > > > -- > > \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith > > \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org > > \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 2 21:16:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D846214D42 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:16:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA00374; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:16:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id VAA07533; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:16:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909030416.VAA07533@vashon.polstra.com> To: dfr@nlsystems.com Subject: Re: relative alpha speed In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article , Doug Rabson wrote: > On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 jon@cops.com wrote: > > > I am a little perplexed about all of this. If the performance and > > disk space usage are better on intel what benefit do I have using > > an alpha instead of an intel... besides just being cooler than all > > of my intel friends? > > Floating point performance rocks compared to intel. ... until you make the Alpha conform to the IEEE FP rules and handle the whole range of numbers it is supposed to handle (-mieee). Then it becomes much slower than ix86 once again. I've been disappointed in the performance of the Alphas, given that performance is supposed to be their strong point. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up." -- Nora Ephron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 2 22:18: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C7B1507A for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:17:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-233.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.233]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA28627 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:16:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37CF59C5.2D81B8E5@airnet.net> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 00:16:53 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Multia panics when PCI slot is used. Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------06F031DE2963FE976631C20A" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------06F031DE2963FE976631C20A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tried my 10/100 Dec Tulip card (MFG: KTI Networks) and a 3C905B-TX. kernel -v needed? -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. --------------06F031DE2963FE976631C20A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="Multi.panic" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Multi.panic" Multia SRM Console BL5 V3.8-2, built on Aug 10 1995 at 03:04:14 *** keyboard not plugged in... Keyboard error; using serial port terminal Testing Memory from 8 to 24 meg... CPU 0 booting (boot dka0.0.0.6.0 -file kernel -flags a) block 0 of dka0.0.0.6.0 is a valid boot block reading 15 blocks from dka0.0.0.6.0 bootstrap code read in base = 166000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 1e00 initializing HWRPB at 2000 initializing page table at 158000 initializing machine state setting affinity to the primary CPU jumping to bootstrap code |/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/Console: SRM firmware console VMS PAL rev: 0x1000000010530 OSF PAL rev: 0x1000000020123 Switch to OSF PAL code succeeded. FreeBSD/alpha SRM disk boot, Revision (jkh@beast.cdrom.com, Sun May 16 17:48:25 GMT 1999) Memory: 24576 k |/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\ Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. Booting [kernel] in 9 seconds... Booting [kernel] in 8 seconds... Booting [kernel] in 7 seconds... Booting [kernel] in 6 seconds... Booting [kernel] in 5 seconds... Booting [kernel] in 4 seconds... Booting [kernel] in 3 seconds... Booting [kernel] in 2 seconds... Booting [kernel] in 1 seconds... Booting [kernel]... |/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-/kernel data=0x209878+0x28820 \|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/syms=[0x8+0x443e8-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\+0x8+0x2e6f6|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-] Entering kernel at 0xfffffc0000320ca0... Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE #0: Wed Aug 25 01:30:28 CDT 1999 kris@daemon.bsd.nws.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/DAEMON DEC AXPpci (PCI ISA), 167MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: LCA Family major=4 minor=2 OSF PAL rev: 0x1000000020123 real memory = 22740992 (22208K bytes) avail memory = 17473536 (17064K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xfffffc00005a8000. lca0: <21066 PCI adapter> isa0 Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: ncr0: rev 0x02 int a irq 11 on pci0.6.0 chip0: rev 0x84 on pci0.7.0 de0: rev 0x23 int a irq 15 on pci0.8.0 de0: DEC 21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3 de0: address 08:00:2b:e6:ed:c0 xl0: <3Com 3c905B-TX Fast Etherlink XL> rev 0x24 int a irq 15 on pci0.12.0 fatal kernel trap: trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) a0 = 0x50 a1 = 0x1 a2 = 0x0 pc = 0xfffffc0000373a3c ra = 0xfffffc00004a2d94 curproc = 0 panic: trap Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort --> Press a key on the console to reboot <-- Rebooting... halted CPU 0 halt code = 5 HALT instruction executed PC = fffffc00004885a0 *** no timer interrupts on CPU 0 *** CPU 0 booting Unexpected Machine Check through vector 00000067 IPRs: EXC_ADD:00000000001303A0 ICCSR: 0000000000000000 HIER: 000000001FFFDC70 HIRR: 0000000000001022 MM_CSR: 0000000000005120 DC_STAT:0000000000000003 DC_ADDR:00000007FFFFFFFF ESR: 6FB0D8F900020000 EAR: 0001000000000074 STAT0: 0000013A0000013A STAT1: 0000080000000800 VA: 0000000000000000 EXC_SUM:0000000000000000 BC_TAG: 0000000000000000 Process entry, pcb = 0174FE00 pc: 00000000 001303A0 ps: 38000000 00000000 r2: 00000000 001306D4 r5: 00000000 00001F04 r3: 00000000 0002A9C8 r6: 00000000 0012FC98 r4: 00000000 00000048 r7: 00000001 2AEAD3AC exception context saved starting at 01751BC0 GPRs: 0: 00000000 0000001F 16: 00000000 00000000 1: 00000000 00000000 17: 00000001 20000000 2: 00000000 0010C9E0 18: 00000000 00000000 3: 00000000 00000000 19: 00000000 0160DCD8 4: 00000000 00000000 20: 00000000 0174FE00 5: 00000000 00128B60 21: 00000000 00000001 6: 00000000 0012FC98 22: 00000000 00142B50 7: 00000001 2AEAD3AC 23: 00000000 0000001F 8: 00000000 00000000 24: 00000000 00000000 9: 00000000 0174FE00 25: 00000000 00000001 10: 00000000 00000003 26: 00000000 00059A00 11: 00000000 00000001 27: 00000000 00130FB0 12: 00000000 00000000 28: 00000000 00146DB0 13: 00000000 00128A40 29: 00000000 01751D78 14: 00000000 00000000 30: 00000000 01751D38 15: 00000000 00000001 dump of active call frames: PC = 0013039C PD = 0010C9E0 (krn$_set_console_mode) FP = 01751D78 SP = 01751D38 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 R7 R8 R9 R10 R11 R12 R13 R14 R15 R29 saved starting at 01751D90 R2 = 00114128 R3 = 001292C0 R4 = 000DFD98 R5 = 00000042 R6 = 00000001 R7 = 00000001 R8 = 00000000 R9 = 00000000 R10 = 00000000 R11 = 00000000 R12 = 00000000 R13 = 00000000 R14 = 00000000 R15 = 00000000 R29 = 01751E18 PC = 00075574 PD = 00114128 (start_drivers) FP = 01751E18 SP = 01751DD8 R2 R3 R4 R5 R29 saved starting at 01751E20 R2 = 001094B0 R3 = 01751ED0 R4 = 000DFD98 R5 = 00000042 R29 = 01751E58 PC = 00045080 PD = 001094B0 (boot) FP = 01751E58 SP = 01751E18 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 R7 R8 R9 R10 R29 saved starting at 01751E70 R2 = 0010A238 R3 = 000DFCD8 R4 = 000DFD98 R5 = 00000042 R6 = 00000001 R7 = 00000001 R8 = 00000000 R9 = 00000000 R10 = 00000000 R29 = 01751EC8 PC = 0004BD10 PD = 0010A238 (boot_system) FP = 01751EC8 SP = 01751E88 R2 R3 R29 saved starting at 01751F18 R2 = 0010A310 R3 = 00000000 R29 = 01751F38 PC = 0004BF1C PD = 0010A310 (system_reset_or_error) FP = 01751F38 SP = 01751EF8 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 R7 R8 R29 saved starting at 01751F48 R2 = 00111A30 R3 = 0174FE00 R4 = 0174FFC8 R5 = 0174FE00 R6 = 00000000 R7 = 00000000 R8 = 00000000 R29 = 01751F98 PC = 0006A7C0 PD = 00111A30 (krn$_process) FP = 01751F98 SP = 01751F58 R2 R3 R4 R5 R29 saved starting at 01751FA0 R2 = 00000000 R3 = 00000000 R4 = 00000000 R5 = 00000000 R29 = 00000000 *** keyboard not plugged in... Keyboard error; using serial port terminal Testing Memory from 8 to 24 meg... CPU 0 booting (boot dka0.0.0.6.0 -file kernel -flags a) block 0 of dka0.0.0.6.0 is a valid boot block reading 15 blocks from dka0.0.0.6.0 bootstrap code read in base = 166000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 1e00 initializing HWRPB at 2000 initializing page table at 158000 initializing machine state setting affinity to the primary CPU jumping to bootstrap code |/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/Console: SRM firmware console VMS PAL rev: 0x1000000010530 OSF PAL rev: 0x1000000020123 Switch to OSF PAL code succeeded. FreeBSD/alpha SRM disk boot, Revision (jkh@beast.cdrom.com, Sun May 16 17:48:25 GMT 1999) Memory: 24576 k |/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\ Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. Booting [kernel] in 9 seconds... Booting [kernel] in 8 seconds... Booting [kernel] in 7 seconds... Booting [kernel] in 6 seconds... Booting [kernel] in 5 seconds... Booting [kernel] in 4 seconds... Booting [kernel] in 3 seconds... Booting [kernel] in 2 seconds... Booting [kernel] in 1 seconds... Booting [kernel]... |/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-/kernel data=0x209878+0x28820 \|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/syms=[0x8+0x443e8-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\+0x8+0x2e6f6|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-] Entering kernel at 0xfffffc0000320ca0... Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE #0: Wed Aug 25 01:30:28 CDT 1999 kris@daemon.bsd.nws.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/DAEMON DEC AXPpci (PCI ISA), 167MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: LCA Family major=4 minor=2 OSF PAL rev: 0x1000000020123 real memory = 22740992 (22208K bytes) avail memory = 17473536 (17064K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xfffffc00005a8000. lca0: <21066 PCI adapter> isa0 Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: ncr0: rev 0x02 int a irq 11 on pci0.6.0 chip0: rev 0x84 on pci0.7.0 de0: rev 0x23 int a irq 15 on pci0.8.0 de0: DEC 21040 [10Mb/s] pass 2.3 de0: address 08:00:2b:e6:ed:c0 de1: rev 0x20 int a irq 15 on pci0.12.0 fatal kernel trap: trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) a0 = 0x50 a1 = 0x1 a2 = 0x0 pc = 0xfffffc0000373a3c ra = 0xfffffc00004a2d94 curproc = 0 panic: trap Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort --> Press a key on the console to reboot <-- Rebooting... halted CPU 0 halt code = 5 HALT instruction executed PC = fffffc00004885a0 *** no timer interrupts on CPU 0 *** CPU 0 booting Unexpected Machine Check through vector 00000067 IPRs: EXC_ADD:00000000001303A0 ICCSR: 0000000000000000 HIER: 000000001FFFDC70 HIRR: 0000000000001022 MM_CSR: 0000000000005120 DC_STAT:0000000000000003 DC_ADDR:00000007FFFFFFFF ESR: 6FB0D8F900020000 EAR: 0000000000000070 STAT0: 0000013A0000013A STAT1: 0000080000000800 VA: 0000000000000000 EXC_SUM:0000000000000000 BC_TAG: 0000000000000000 Process entry, pcb = 0174FE00 pc: 00000000 001303A0 ps: 38000000 00000000 r2: 00000000 001306D4 r5: 00000000 00001F04 r3: 00000000 0002A9C8 r6: 00000000 0012FC98 r4: 00000000 00000048 r7: 00000001 2AEAD3AC exception context saved starting at 01751BC0 GPRs: 0: 00000000 0000001F 16: 00000000 00000000 1: 00000000 00000000 17: 00000001 20000000 2: 00000000 0010C9E0 18: 00000000 00000000 3: 00000000 00000000 19: 00000000 0160DCD8 4: 00000000 00000000 20: 00000000 0174FE00 5: 00000000 00128B60 21: 00000000 00000001 6: 00000000 0012FC98 22: 00000000 00142B50 7: 00000001 2AEAD3AC 23: 00000000 0000001F 8: 00000000 00000000 24: 00000000 00000000 9: 00000000 0174FE00 25: 00000000 00000001 10: 00000000 00000003 26: 00000000 00059A00 11: 00000000 00000001 27: 00000000 00130FB0 12: 00000000 00000000 28: 00000000 00146DB0 13: 00000000 00128A40 29: 00000000 01751D78 14: 00000000 00000000 30: 00000000 01751D38 15: 00000000 00000001 dump of active call frames: PC = 0013039C PD = 0010C9E0 (krn$_set_console_mode) FP = 01751D78 SP = 01751D38 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 R7 R8 R9 R10 R11 R12 R13 R14 R15 R29 saved starting at 01751D90 R2 = 00114128 R3 = 001292C0 R4 = 000DFD98 R5 = 00000042 R6 = 00000001 R7 = 00000001 R8 = 00000000 R9 = 00000000 R10 = 00000000 R11 = 00000000 R12 = 00000000 R13 = 00000000 R14 = 00000000 R15 = 00000000 R29 = 01751E18 PC = 00075574 PD = 00114128 (start_drivers) FP = 01751E18 SP = 01751DD8 R2 R3 R4 R5 R29 saved starting at 01751E20 R2 = 001094B0 R3 = 01751ED0 R4 = 000DFD98 R5 = 00000042 R29 = 01751E58 PC = 00045080 PD = 001094B0 (boot) FP = 01751E58 SP = 01751E18 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 R7 R8 R9 R10 R29 saved starting at 01751E70 R2 = 0010A238 R3 = 000DFCD8 R4 = 000DFD98 R5 = 00000042 R6 = 00000001 R7 = 00000001 R8 = 00000000 R9 = 00000000 R10 = 00000000 R29 = 01751EC8 PC = 0004BD10 PD = 0010A238 (boot_system) FP = 01751EC8 SP = 01751E88 R2 R3 R29 saved starting at 01751F18 R2 = 0010A310 R3 = 00000000 R29 = 01751F38 PC = 0004BF1C PD = 0010A310 (system_reset_or_error) FP = 01751F38 SP = 01751EF8 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 R7 R8 R29 saved starting at 01751F48 R2 = 00111A30 R3 = 0174FE00 R4 = 0174FFC8 R5 = 0174FE00 R6 = 00000000 R7 = 00000000 R8 = 00000000 R29 = 01751F98 PC = 0006A7C0 PD = 00111A30 (krn$_process) FP = 01751F98 SP = 01751F58 R2 R3 R4 R5 R29 saved starting at 01751FA0 R2 = 00000000 R3 = 00000000 R4 = 00000000 R5 = 00000000 R29 = 00000000 --------------06F031DE2963FE976631C20A-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 1: 4: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5349B14CEE for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:03:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11947; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:05:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:05:35 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: relative alpha speed In-Reply-To: <199909030416.VAA07533@vashon.polstra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, John Polstra wrote: > In article , > Doug Rabson wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 jon@cops.com wrote: > > > > > I am a little perplexed about all of this. If the performance and > > > disk space usage are better on intel what benefit do I have using > > > an alpha instead of an intel... besides just being cooler than all > > > of my intel friends? > > > > Floating point performance rocks compared to intel. > > ... until you make the Alpha conform to the IEEE FP rules and handle > the whole range of numbers it is supposed to handle (-mieee). Then it > becomes much slower than ix86 once again. I've been disappointed in > the performance of the Alphas, given that performance is supposed to > be their strong point. I think the problem may be with our compiler. I don't think the penalty for using -mieee ought to be so high. I wonder how well the Compaq compiler deals with this. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 1:29:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9427F14A2F for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:29:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12121; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:29:36 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:29:36 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Mike Smith Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Reorg of the alpha/SRM bootcode sources In-Reply-To: <199909030139.SAA02697@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > As a tiny part of what I'm doing on the diskless boot support I'd like > to reorganise the layout of the alpha/SRM specific boot code. Can any > interested parties have a look at > > http://www.freebsd.org/~msmith/alpha-boot.diff > > and comment? The goal is mostly to reduce duplication, as well as to > make it easy to generate various flavours loader relatively easily. I just read through it. It tidies things up a lot and I can't see any problems with it. Commit the thing. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 1:38:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from diablo.OntheNet.com.au (diablo.OntheNet.com.au [203.10.89.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D14315627 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:38:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tonyg@OntheNet.com.au) Received: from OntheNet.com.au (quasar.nt.com.au [203.14.201.5]) by diablo.OntheNet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16072; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:35:07 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37CF883C.B81B8FF5@OntheNet.com.au> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:35:08 +1000 From: Tony Griffiths Organization: Network Technologies P/L X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Rabson Cc: John Polstra , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: relative alpha speed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson wrote: > On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, John Polstra wrote: > > > In article , > > Doug Rabson wrote: > > > On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 jon@cops.com wrote: > > > > > > > I am a little perplexed about all of this. If the performance and > > > > disk space usage are better on intel what benefit do I have using > > > > an alpha instead of an intel... besides just being cooler than all > > > > of my intel friends? > > > > > > Floating point performance rocks compared to intel. > > > > ... until you make the Alpha conform to the IEEE FP rules and handle > > the whole range of numbers it is supposed to handle (-mieee). Then it > > becomes much slower than ix86 once again. I've been disappointed in > > the performance of the Alphas, given that performance is supposed to > > be their strong point. > > I think the problem may be with our compiler. I don't think the penalty > for using -mieee ought to be so high. I wonder how well the Compaq > compiler deals with this. I've been lead to believe that the main problem with ieee format FP is the method of handling exceptions (NANs, etc). Normally, with 'native' FP, exceptions are handled imprecisely while I belive that with ieee FP the default is precise exceptions. Of course with a pipelined architecture, there is a considerable penalty handling precise exceptions (ie. the pipeline has to be drained after each FP operation that could possibly generate an exception!!!). Check to see if there is a conpiler switch for this... And yes, compiling for Alpha object code is going to be considerably slower than for a CISC environment. Tony To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 1:52:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A70D14D4A for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:52:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12283; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:53:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:53:05 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Tony Griffiths Cc: John Polstra , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: relative alpha speed In-Reply-To: <37CF883C.B81B8FF5@OntheNet.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, Tony Griffiths wrote: > Doug Rabson wrote: > > > On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, John Polstra wrote: > > > > > In article , > > > Doug Rabson wrote: > > > > On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 jon@cops.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > I am a little perplexed about all of this. If the performance and > > > > > disk space usage are better on intel what benefit do I have using > > > > > an alpha instead of an intel... besides just being cooler than all > > > > > of my intel friends? > > > > > > > > Floating point performance rocks compared to intel. > > > > > > ... until you make the Alpha conform to the IEEE FP rules and handle > > > the whole range of numbers it is supposed to handle (-mieee). Then it > > > becomes much slower than ix86 once again. I've been disappointed in > > > the performance of the Alphas, given that performance is supposed to > > > be their strong point. > > > > I think the problem may be with our compiler. I don't think the penalty > > for using -mieee ought to be so high. I wonder how well the Compaq > > compiler deals with this. > > I've been lead to believe that the main problem with ieee format FP is the > method of handling exceptions (NANs, etc). Normally, with 'native' FP, > exceptions are handled imprecisely while I belive that with ieee FP the > default is precise exceptions. Of course with a pipelined architecture, > there is a considerable penalty handling precise exceptions (ie. the pipeline > has to be drained after each FP operation that could possibly generate an > exception!!!). > > Check to see if there is a conpiler switch for this... The compiler switch is what we are discussing. In egcs/gcc-2.95, -mieee forces the compiler to restrict its use of floating point in a way which allows the kernel to emulate operations involving or producing NaNs, INFs and denorms. This tends to slow the code down somewhat, possibly because gcc is being extra conservative. > > And yes, compiling for Alpha object code is going to be considerably slower > than for a CISC environment. True. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 1:54:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD5F1566E for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:54:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-2-59.ucdavis.edu [169.237.16.187]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA43706 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:54:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id BAA49928 for alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:54:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 01:54:44 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: relative alpha speed Message-ID: <19990903015443.B49271@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <37CF883C.B81B8FF5@OntheNet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: <37CF883C.B81B8FF5@OntheNet.com.au> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I think the problem may be with our compiler. I don't think the penalty > > for using -mieee ought to be so high. I wonder how well the Compaq > > compiler deals with this. There is a long thread about -mieee in the EGCS lists. Extracted thread at ftp://relay.nuxi.com/obrien/mieee.mbox. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 4: 6:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from MAIL.MEGABITS.NET (mail.megabits.net [207.30.122.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8271513F for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 04:06:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gmckinney@megabits.net) Received: from gary2 (host-216-76-214-143.coi.bellsouth.net [216.76.214.143]) by MAIL.MEGABITS.NET (8.9.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA15011; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00ee01bef5fc$203599e0$1e00000a@gary2.megabits.net> From: "Gary McKinney" To: , Subject: Re: relative alpha speed Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:04:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There is also a thread in the Debian Linux group about performance of the floating point lib routines (the lib routines are patterned after the Intel FP unit and the Alpha is a different creature with different needs). Compaq has a download area for the fp libs that run under Linux and I have heard (not first hand knowledge) that it makes a BIG difference in performance (ref to Linux here as they are using the egcs compiler as well)... You also have to structure the order of operations to take advantage of the pipeline architecture to optimize for the inherit latencies the different fp operation have as opposed to the way the Intel fp unit operates... The Compaq compiler deals with it very well as the lib routines are tuned to the way the Alpha FP Unit and pipeline works... The link to the libs at Compaq (free) is: http://www.unix.digital.com/linux/cpml/index.html If I had the time I would look further into this but I'm totally overloaded as it is (don't ask - work at a financial institution and in the process of a merger, two new branches, installing a new host system [HP9000 K370] and upgrading all the workstations [85] and need to be complete by Oct 1 ).... Maybe someone could try out the Alpha fp libs and see if it makes a difference ... gm.. -----Original Message----- From: David O'Brien To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Friday, September 03, 1999 4:57 AM Subject: Re: relative alpha speed >> > I think the problem may be with our compiler. I don't think the penalty >> > for using -mieee ought to be so high. I wonder how well the Compaq >> > compiler deals with this. > >There is a long thread about -mieee in the EGCS lists. Extracted thread >at ftp://relay.nuxi.com/obrien/mieee.mbox. > >-- >-- David (obrien@NUXI.com) > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 6:37: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from fisica.df.ufpe.br (fisica.df.ufpe.br [150.161.3.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A8B14BEC for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 06:36:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adauto@fisica.df.ufpe.br) Received: from localhost (adauto@localhost) by fisica.df.ufpe.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA77329 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:36:43 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from adauto@fisica.df.ufpe.br) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:36:43 -0300 (EST) From: Adauto Souza To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: NFS_UIDHASHSIZ Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I tried to install freebsd 3.2-RELEASE on a PC164LX Alpha machine, all were smooth. However, the system doesn't start automaticly. It halted before mounting the disk and prompted to choose the shell (/bin/sh). Further, the kernel complain: struct nfssvc_sock bloated (> 256bytes) and recomend: Try reducing NFS_UIDHASHSIZ. It was possible to login by choosing /bin/sh and forcing a mount -a. After that, exiting /bin/sh the system responds with the login prompt. Any idea??? Thank you all. Adauto. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 6:50:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65ED714CA9 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 06:50:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA21414; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA08698; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:49:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:49:32 -0400 (EDT) To: Adauto Souza Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NFS_UIDHASHSIZ In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14287.53512.845969.916417@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Your machine is coming up in single user mode. To make it boot into multi-user mode do the following from the SRM console prompt (the >>> prompt): >>> set boot_osflags A Don't worry about the NFS_UIDHASHSIZ -- it is harmless. Cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 8:34:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from fuzzy.helloworld.org (adsl-216-62-132-139.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [216.62.132.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789F0151E1 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:34:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@fuzzy.helloworld.org) Received: (from jon@localhost) by fuzzy.helloworld.org (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id KAA04814 for alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:35:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:35:43 -0500 (CDT) From: jon@cops.com Message-Id: <199909031535.KAA04814@fuzzy.helloworld.org> To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: tclX8.1 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am running FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT on an alpha server 400 (avanti). I am trying to compile tclX8.1 and I get "Signal 11" close to the end of the compile. Any ideas? What does "Signal 11" mean? Jon Rowell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 8:50:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968551509D for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:50:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA03706; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:48:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA08217; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:48:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 08:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: mgraffam@idsi.net Subject: Re: relative alpha speed Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org mgraffam@idsi.net wrote: > > What generation of Alpha are you using? EB164 Digital AlphaPC 164LX 533 MHz, 531MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: EV56 (21164A) major=7 minor=2 extensions=0x1 OSF PAL rev: 0x1000100020116 real memory = 132276224 (129176K bytes) avail memory = 124076032 (121168K bytes) > It's not fair to compare anything but the A #1 newest Alpha to a PII > 500. To me it seems perfectly fair to compare an $N Intel system to an $N Alpha system, regardless of anything else. > Alphas tend to cost more, so people have a tendancy to compare a $500 > Alpha to a $500 Intel box.. if you do this, Intel machines will > consistently out perform the Alpha. > > The Multia is a good example. A few months ago, a bare multia would run > you about $90-100.. and gives weak performance compared to the P5 233 MMX > that you can get for $100.. but the Multia was born around the time that > 486/66's were coming out. The proper comparison is to compare the 21064 > to a 80486, not to a P5. I disagree. The proper comparison is by price/performance ratio. If I can get better performance from an $N Intel system than from an $N Alpha system, how can you say the Alpha is better? One thing I should have mentioned before, though, is that it's entirely possible that the disappointing -mieee performance on the Alpha is due to inferior code generation by gcc. Maybe that can be improved in future versions of the compiler. John --- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up." -- Nora Ephron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 16:10:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70DFE1588C for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:10:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23399; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:10:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA48427; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:10:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909032310.RAA48427@harmony.village.org> To: Michael Kennett Subject: Re: Changes to binutils (--target=alpha-freebsd) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Sep 1999 16:16:01 +0800." <199909020816.QAA19052@laurasia.com.au> References: <199909020816.QAA19052@laurasia.com.au> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 17:10:23 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <199909020816.QAA19052@laurasia.com.au> Michael Kennett writes: : In the next few days, I'll attempt to build world for the alpha target. : I've had a (quick) dig around the /usr/src/Makefile's, and it appears that : support for cross-compilation exists. It appears to be as simple as setting : TARGET, and TARGET_ARCH. I'd appreciate any comments/hints on how to go : about the build. It is almost that simple. However, binutils doesn't support generating 64-bit targets with 32-bit hosts. Until binutils does, you are not going to make this work. I've have some MIPS stuff that is lurking in my personal tree and need to get back to the cross building problem. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 17: 7:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.netbsd.org (redmail.netbsd.org [155.53.200.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4064614A12 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:07:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cgd@netbsd.org) Received: (qmail 7894 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Sep 1999 00:06:29 -0000 To: Warner Losh Cc: Michael Kennett , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Changes to binutils (--target=alpha-freebsd) References: <199909020816.QAA19052@laurasia.com.au> <199909032310.RAA48427@harmony.village.org> From: cgd@netbsd.org (Chris G. Demetriou) Date: 03 Sep 1999 17:06:28 -0700 In-Reply-To: Warner Losh's message of Fri, 03 Sep 1999 17:10:23 -0600 Message-ID: <87iu5rbkvv.fsf@redmail.netbsd.org> Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warner Losh writes: > It is almost that simple. However, binutils doesn't support > generating 64-bit targets with 32-bit hosts. Until binutils does, you > are not going to make this work. probably depends on what you mean by "support." I've definitely used (self-built) cross-tools on my NetBSD/i386 laptop to build e.g. NetBSD/alpha kernels in the past. I seem to recall that i had to tweak one or two uses of strtoul() i think it was, but other than that it produced working results. cgd -- Chris Demetriou - cgd@netbsd.org - http://www.netbsd.org/People/Pages/cgd.html Disclaimer: Not speaking for NetBSD, just expressing my own opinion. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 17:17: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC2C1522B for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:16:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23548; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:16:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA48672; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909040016.SAA48672@harmony.village.org> To: cgd@netbsd.org (Chris G. Demetriou) Subject: Re: Changes to binutils (--target=alpha-freebsd) Cc: Michael Kennett , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "03 Sep 1999 17:06:28 PDT." <87iu5rbkvv.fsf@redmail.netbsd.org> References: <87iu5rbkvv.fsf@redmail.netbsd.org> <199909020816.QAA19052@laurasia.com.au> <199909032310.RAA48427@harmony.village.org> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:16:36 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <87iu5rbkvv.fsf@redmail.netbsd.org> Chris G. Demetriou writes: : I've definitely used (self-built) cross-tools on my NetBSD/i386 laptop : to build e.g. NetBSD/alpha kernels in the past. I seem to recall that : i had to tweak one or two uses of strtoul() i think it was, but other : than that it produced working results. I've had problems in the past getting working Alpha binaries produced from compilation on a i386 box. I'd been told by several people this was due to the lack of support of producing 64-bit targets on 32-bit hosts in binutils... Is that not true? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 17:37:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.prserv.net [165.87.194.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4641507C for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:37:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rfrohn@ibm.net) Received: from ibm.net (slip166-72-80-15.ca.us.ibm.net [166.72.80.15]) by out5.ibm.net (/) with ESMTP id AAA09706 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 00:37:24 GMT Message-ID: <37D06627.21527792@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 17:21:59 -0700 From: Rainer =?iso-8859-1?Q?Frohnh=F6fer?= Organization: Comfortably @ Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD on a Multia References: <199908211122.NAA18179@noses.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Achim Patzner wrote: > : From what I've recently learned, using a Multia is a Really Bad Idea. > : Yes, they are cheap, but that's the ONLY good thing about them. Both > [snip] > Mine died after I tried installing NetBSD (which doesn't really mean that > NetBSD is that bad an OS 8-) ). I paid about USD 60 for each hour it ran. > But as the NetBSD people (obviously - they started quite a bit earlier) had > lots of them they started repairing them (better: improving their health 8-) > ). > > Take a look in the NetBSD/alpha archives to find out more about un-frying > Multias. > To say something positive, mine (a 233 one) has been running 24/7 for months without trouble. And with floppy and internal 2.5" hd, on the vertical stand. -- "To save energy we will temporarily switch off the light at the end of the tunnel." (I don't employ for my speaker) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 18: 2:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.vintners.net (162-136-19.cortland.com [209.162.136.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A457C14C2E for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:02:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikel@vintners.net) Received: from mars.vintners.net (162-136-19.cortland.com [209.162.136.19]) by mail.vintners.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00502 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:07:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikel@vintners.net) X-Diagnostic: g=mikel@vintners.net, f=mikel@vintners.net Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909040107.SAA00502@mail.vintners.net> To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: "bye" From: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Reply-To: mikel@zso.dec.com (Mike Lempriere) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, sorry to waste the bandwidth, but I wanted to thank all for the help I've gotten from this list. As Compaq closes down the NT Alpha group, I was not able to purchase any Alpha machines, so I'm off the list. If your company is hiring computer personnel (programmers, managers, documenters, the whole ball of wax) in the greater Seattle area, please email me or call/email John Madsen (Digital HR guy) 425-644-2600 john.madsen@compaq.com. "Goodbye, and Thanks for all the fish". -- *** Due to layoffs, I will lose my old zso.dec.com address as of *** *** 03-Sep-1999. Please update your address book entry for me. *** Pacific NorthWest wine, blues, jazz info; http://vintners.net/~mikel Mike Lempriere-Home: *** mikel@vintners.net *** WA State resident-junk email prohibited by law: RCW19.190 & RCW19.86 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 18:39:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7759E14DB5 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:39:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA06702; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:37:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA10144; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:37:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909040137.SAA10144@vashon.polstra.com> To: gmckinney@megabits.net Subject: Re: relative alpha speed In-Reply-To: <00ee01bef5fc$203599e0$1e00000a@gary2.megabits.net> References: <00ee01bef5fc$203599e0$1e00000a@gary2.megabits.net> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <00ee01bef5fc$203599e0$1e00000a@gary2.megabits.net>, Gary McKinney wrote: > There is also a thread in the Debian Linux group about performance of the > floating point lib routines (the lib routines are patterned after the Intel > FP unit and the Alpha is a different creature with different needs). The test I used was a matrix multiplication function which had been carefully hand-optimized to take advantage of the Alpha pipeline. (Sorry, the program is not mine to redistribute. Hidetoshi Shimokawa kindly got permission from the author to send me a copy.) It didn't call any floating point library functions. It was blazingly fast when compiled without "-mieee". But when built with "-mieee" it was much slower on my 533 MHz 164LX than on my 400 MHz PII. Hidetoshi told me: This program exploits four pipelines(2 integers, 2 floats), and L1(or L2, I forgot detail) cache efficiently. You can easily check this by 'iprobe quad'. (Even if it is compiled with `-mieee', it still issuing quad instructions at a cycle) Further testing indicated that enabling precise traps was responsible for the performance degradation. N.B., no traps were actually generated -- I instrumented the kernel to make sure. But the changes in the code generation to permit identifying which instruction caused a trap slowed it down. I'm not sure how much the code generation could improved. Right now it emits "trapb" (trap barrier) instructions in the places it thinks they're needed -- not after each FP instruction. It's not obvious that it could do much better. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up." -- Nora Ephron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 18:41:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE2614DB5 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:41:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA06726; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:41:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA10170; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:41:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909040141.SAA10170@vashon.polstra.com> To: imp@village.org Subject: Re: Changes to binutils (--target=alpha-freebsd) In-Reply-To: <199909040016.SAA48672@harmony.village.org> References: <87iu5rbkvv.fsf@redmail.netbsd.org> <199909020816.QAA19052@laurasia.com.au> <199909032310.RAA48427@harmony.village.org> <199909040016.SAA48672@harmony.village.org> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <199909040016.SAA48672@harmony.village.org>, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <87iu5rbkvv.fsf@redmail.netbsd.org> Chris G. Demetriou writes: > : I've definitely used (self-built) cross-tools on my NetBSD/i386 laptop > : to build e.g. NetBSD/alpha kernels in the past. I seem to recall that > : i had to tweak one or two uses of strtoul() i think it was, but other > : than that it produced working results. > > I've had problems in the past getting working Alpha binaries produced > from compilation on a i386 box. I'd been told by several people this > was due to the lack of support of producing 64-bit targets on 32-bit > hosts in binutils... Is that not true? I don't know about binutils. But there was a 32->64 bit cross compilation bug for the Alphas in gcc for a long time -- up until around the time of egcs 1.1.2. It wasn't present in old gccs, but it got re-introduced at some point. Once I fixed that, I was able to cross-bootstrap Modula-3 from an i386 to an Alpha. (Modula-3 uses the gcc back end, slightly modified.) John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up." -- Nora Ephron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 18:59:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA8D14F1D for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:59:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23831; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:58:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id TAA61964; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909040159.TAA61964@harmony.village.org> To: John Polstra Subject: Re: Changes to binutils (--target=alpha-freebsd) Cc: alpha@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Sep 1999 18:41:27 PDT." <199909040141.SAA10170@vashon.polstra.com> References: <199909040141.SAA10170@vashon.polstra.com> <87iu5rbkvv.fsf@redmail.netbsd.org> <199909020816.QAA19052@laurasia.com.au> <199909032310.RAA48427@harmony.village.org> <199909040016.SAA48672@harmony.village.org> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:59:05 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <199909040141.SAA10170@vashon.polstra.com> John Polstra writes: : I don't know about binutils. But there was a 32->64 bit cross : compilation bug for the Alphas in gcc for a long time -- up until : around the time of egcs 1.1.2. It wasn't present in old gccs, but it : got re-introduced at some point. Does that mean it is still present? : Once I fixed that, I was able to cross-bootstrap Modula-3 from an i386 : to an Alpha. (Modula-3 uses the gcc back end, slightly modified.) Well then. Time to crank up the make to see if I've been informed incorrectly.... I do know there may be several binaries that may need to be built that might not work out right.... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 19: 5:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.netbsd.org (redmail.netbsd.org [155.53.200.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4BDF314F1D for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:05:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cgd@netbsd.org) Received: (qmail 19623 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Sep 1999 02:05:17 -0000 To: Warner Losh Cc: John Polstra , alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changes to binutils (--target=alpha-freebsd) References: <199909040141.SAA10170@vashon.polstra.com> <87iu5rbkvv.fsf@redmail.netbsd.org> <199909020816.QAA19052@laurasia.com.au> <199909032310.RAA48427@harmony.village.org> <199909040016.SAA48672@harmony.village.org> <199909040159.TAA61964@harmony.village.org> From: cgd@netbsd.org (Chris G. Demetriou) Date: 03 Sep 1999 19:05:16 -0700 In-Reply-To: Warner Losh's message of Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:59:05 -0600 Message-ID: <871zcfbfdv.fsf@redmail.netbsd.org> Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warner Losh writes: > Well then. Time to crank up the make to see if I've been informed > incorrectly.... I seem to recall that when I did it, if i tried to optimize bad things happened. Of course, this is all 2+ year-old rememberances, so take it with a grain of salt. 8-) cgd -- Chris Demetriou - cgd@netbsd.org - http://www.netbsd.org/People/Pages/cgd.html Disclaimer: Not speaking for NetBSD, just expressing my own opinion. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 19:18:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C8214C1B for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:18:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA06856; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:18:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA10203; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:18:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199909040159.TAA61964@harmony.village.org> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: Warner Losh Subject: Re: Changes to binutils (--target=alpha-freebsd) Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warner Losh wrote: > In message <199909040141.SAA10170@vashon.polstra.com> John Polstra writes: >: I don't know about binutils. But there was a 32->64 bit cross >: compilation bug for the Alphas in gcc for a long time -- up until >: around the time of egcs 1.1.2. It wasn't present in old gccs, but it >: got re-introduced at some point. > > Does that mean it is still present? No, it's gone now. I think it was fixed just before egcs-1.1.2. John --- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up." -- Nora Ephron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 19:23:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA7E14C1B for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:23:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23894; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:22:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA87658; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:22:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909040222.UAA87658@harmony.village.org> To: John Polstra Subject: Re: Changes to binutils (--target=alpha-freebsd) Cc: alpha@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:18:31 PDT." References: Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 20:22:26 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message John Polstra writes: : No, it's gone now. I think it was fixed just before egcs-1.1.2. Still not working :-(. Dies when building gdb... Time to figure out why... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 20:14:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from laurasia.com.au (lauras.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.93.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2E514C59 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:14:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@laurasia.com.au) Received: (from mike@localhost) by laurasia.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA82560; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:14:06 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from mike) From: Michael Kennett Message-Id: <199909040314.LAA82560@laurasia.com.au> Subject: Re: Changes to binutils (--target=alpha-freebsd) In-Reply-To: <199909040222.UAA87658@harmony.village.org> from Warner Losh at "Sep 3, 1999 08:22:26 pm" To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:14:06 +0800 (WST) Cc: alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > In message John Polstra writes: > : No, it's gone now. I think it was fixed just before egcs-1.1.2. > > Still not working :-(. Dies when building gdb... Time to figure out > why... > > Warner > It is more than gdb. There is also a problem in building egcs (with mkstemps). Looks like a simple fix (add mkstemp.o to a makefile somewhere...). I'll certainly be looking at it later today. I'd like to get the cross-compilation working. O/w, what's the point of supporting multiple platforms :-) Mike Kennett mike@laurasia.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 20:33:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F396214D4E for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:33:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-2-14.ucdavis.edu [169.237.16.142]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA49912; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:33:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id UAA92438; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:32:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:32:54 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Michael Kennett Cc: Warner Losh , alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changes to binutils (--target=alpha-freebsd) Message-ID: <19990903203254.B74635@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199909040222.UAA87658@harmony.village.org> <199909040314.LAA82560@laurasia.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: <199909040314.LAA82560@laurasia.com.au> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It is more than gdb. There is also a problem in building egcs (with mkstemps). I've been thinking we might need to add mkstemps.o back in the EGCS Makefile because of the xbuild issues. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 20:36:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F1814D4E for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:36:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24089; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:35:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id VAA88127; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:35:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909040335.VAA88127@harmony.village.org> To: Michael Kennett Subject: Re: Changes to binutils (--target=alpha-freebsd) Cc: alpha@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 04 Sep 1999 11:14:06 +0800." <199909040314.LAA82560@laurasia.com.au> References: <199909040314.LAA82560@laurasia.com.au> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 21:35:38 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <199909040314.LAA82560@laurasia.com.au> Michael Kennett writes: : It is more than gdb. There is also a problem in building egcs (with : mkstemps). : Looks like a simple fix (add mkstemp.o to a makefile somewhere...). I'll : certainly be looking at it later today. mkstemp or mkstemps? : I'd like to get the cross-compilation working. O/w, what's the point of : supporting multiple platforms :-) Let's work together.... I'm looking at the gdb right now. Things like this make me nervious. I don't think that libbfd will work.... /home/imp/FreeBSD/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/libbfd/../../../../contrib/binutils/bfd/elf64-alpha.c:1704: warning: right shift count >= width of type /home/imp/FreeBSD/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/libbfd/../../../../contrib/binutils/bfd/elf64-alpha.c:1772: warning: right shift count >= width of type /home/imp/FreeBSD/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/libbfd/../../../../contrib/binutils/bfd/elf64-alpha.c:1789: warning: right shift count >= width of type /home/imp/FreeBSD/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/libbfd/../../../../contrib/binutils/bfd/elf64-alpha.c:1790: warning: right shift count >= width of type /home/imp/FreeBSD/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/libbfd/../../../../contrib/binutils/bfd/elf64-alpha.c:2758: warning: right shift count >= width of type /home/imp/FreeBSD/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/libbfd/../../../../contrib/binutils/bfd/elf64-alpha.c:2915: warning: left shift count >= width of type /home/imp/FreeBSD/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/libbfd/../../../../contrib/binutils/bfd/elf64-alpha.c:2953: warning: left shift count >= width of type /home/imp/FreeBSD/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/libbfd/../../../../contrib/binutils/bfd/elf64-alpha.c:3003: warning: left shift count >= width of type /home/imp/FreeBSD/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/libbfd/../../../../contrib/binutils/bfd/elf64-alpha.c:3009: warning: left shift count >= width of type /home/imp/FreeBSD/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/libbfd/../../../../contrib/binutils/bfd/elf64-alpha.c:3164: warning: left shift count >= width of type /home/imp/FreeBSD/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/libbfd/../../../../contrib/binutils/bfd/elf64-alpha.c:3202: warning: left shift count >= width of type /home/imp/FreeBSD/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/libbfd/../../../../contrib/binutils/bfd/elf64-alpha.c:3228: warning: left shift count >= width of type Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 20:38: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from burka.rdy.com (burka.rdy.com [205.149.163.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F70914D4E for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:37:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@burka.rdy.com) Received: (from dima@localhost) by burka.rdy.com (8.9.3/RDY&DVV) id UAA49077 for alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909040337.UAA49077@burka.rdy.com> Subject: no init? To: alpha@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:37:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Class: Fast Organization: HackerDome Reply-To: dima@best.net From: dima@best.net (Dima Ruban) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey guys! Any ideas, what's going on? da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 4340MB (8888924 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 553C) exec /sbin/init: error 8 init: not found panic: no init panic Stopped at Debugger+0x2c: ldq ra,0(sp) <0xfffffe0007ad3dc0> db> call boot I've got this from latest -current update. (10 minutes ago). Good thing that I have an old kernel. -- dima To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 3 21:23:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4D4151F9 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:23:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24190; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:23:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA41674; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:23:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909040423.WAA41674@harmony.village.org> To: obrien@NUXI.com Subject: Re: Changes to binutils (--target=alpha-freebsd) Cc: Michael Kennett , alpha@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Sep 1999 20:32:54 PDT." <19990903203254.B74635@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <19990903203254.B74635@dragon.nuxi.com> <199909040222.UAA87658@harmony.village.org> <199909040314.LAA82560@laurasia.com.au> Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 22:23:16 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <19990903203254.B74635@dragon.nuxi.com> "David O'Brien" writes: : I've been thinking we might need to add mkstemps.o back in the EGCS : Makefile because of the xbuild issues. So which one is active right now? contrib/gcc or contrib/egcs? I'm building the cross tools and it seems to be building both... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Sep 4 1:51:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08EEA1527F for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 01:51:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-61.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.61] (may be forged)) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id DAA15213; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 03:50:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37D0DD61.D67B2CC1@airnet.net> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 03:50:41 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rainer Frohnhvfer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD on a Multia References: <199908211122.NAA18179@noses.com> <37D06627.21527792@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rainer Frohnhvfer wrote: > > Achim Patzner wrote: > > > : From what I've recently learned, using a Multia is a Really Bad Idea. > > : Yes, they are cheap, but that's the ONLY good thing about them. Both > > [snip] > > Mine died after I tried installing NetBSD (which doesn't really mean that > > NetBSD is that bad an OS 8-) ). I paid about USD 60 for each hour it ran. > > But as the NetBSD people (obviously - they started quite a bit earlier) had > > lots of them they started repairing them (better: improving their health 8-) > > ). > > > > Take a look in the NetBSD/alpha archives to find out more about un-frying > > Multias. > > > > To say something positive, mine (a 233 one) has been running 24/7 for months > without trouble. And with floppy and internal 2.5" hd, on the vertical stand. I cheated horribly. I've bolted a 24V fan to the stock fan. My Multia doen't run hot anymore :-). -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Sep 4 2:43:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from laurasia.com.au (lauras.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.93.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71FB215102 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 02:43:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@laurasia.com.au) Received: (from mike@localhost) by laurasia.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26591; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:42:53 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from mike) From: Michael Kennett Message-Id: <199909040942.RAA26591@laurasia.com.au> Subject: Re: Changes to binutils (--target=alpha-freebsd) In-Reply-To: <199909040335.VAA88127@harmony.village.org> from Warner Losh at "Sep 3, 1999 09:35:38 pm" To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 17:42:52 +0800 (WST) Cc: alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warner wrote: > In message <199909040314.LAA82560@laurasia.com.au> Michael Kennett writes: > : It is more than gdb. There is also a problem in building egcs (with > : mkstemps). > : Looks like a simple fix (add mkstemp.o to a makefile somewhere...). I'll > : certainly be looking at it later today. > > mkstemp or mkstemps? It is the file mkstemp.o. I've added it to the Makefile /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/ cc/cc_drv/Makefile (in the line SRCS). > > Let's work together.... I'm looking at the gdb right now. > > Things like this make me nervious. I don't think that libbfd will > work.... > > /home/imp/FreeBSD/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/libbfd/../../../../contrib/binutils/bfd/elf64-alpha.c:1704: warning: right shift count >= width of type [Lots more cut out] Hidden in the bowels of the FreeBSD source tree (/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ libbfd/alpha) is the file 'bfd.h', which configures the characteristics of the host architecture. In this file is the line #define BFD_HOST_64BIT_LONG 1 i.e. It is saying that a (native) alpha compiler has 64-bit registers. By changing this line to #define BFD_HOST_64BIT_LONG 0 the cross-compilation from the x86 architecture passes binutils without any warnings. Note that I've cut gdb out of the build (no need to track down bugs :-). There could still be problems in the compile there. The build now progresses to cc_tools, where there a few more warnings of a similar nature. Now to track those down.... :-) Regards, Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Sep 4 4:38:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from ding.mindspring.com (ding.mindspring.com [207.69.142.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8B4151BA for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 04:38:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brianpet@ding.mindspring.com) Received: from localhost (brianpet@localhost) by ding.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA23850; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:41:51 -0400 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 07:41:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "brian j. peterson" To: Nicolai E M Plum Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installation Problem In-Reply-To: <14286.59384.798578.95115@alfheim.satanic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org this just got fixed on ftp.freebsd.org a few minutes ago. dunno how long it will take to get to the mirrors, but at least it won't be long. =) -brian On Thu, 2 Sep 1999, Nicolai E M Plum wrote: # brian j. peterson writes: # > unfortunately, i don't have any help to offer here. i just wanted to say # > that i ran into the same problem. # > # > i have an AS200 4/233 with 80 MB RAM and a 2.1 GB SCSI hard drive (/usr is # > ~1.5 GB). during the FTP install of FreeBSD/alpha 3.2-RELEASE, i get the # > following error: "Write failure on transfer! (wrote -1 bytes of 1024 # > bytes)". this occurs during the transfer of slib and appears to occur in # > (or around) chunk 18. i was originally running SRM 6.2-2 when i ran into # > this problem, but i have since upgraded to SRM 7.0-9 and am still seeing # > the same problem. # > # > does anyone know if this is a problem with the distrobution? or if this # > is a problem isolated to AS200 4/233s? or what? # # I have had this also. I discovered the following: # # In a standard-layout FTP tree, eg my local copy (mirror.uk.uu.net, feel # free to use it if it's near you) the directory # /pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/3.2-RELEASE/src contains # # -r--r--r-- 1 mirror nobody 240640 May 16 20:29 slib.ao # -r--r--r-- 1 mirror nobody 240640 May 16 20:29 slib.ap # -r--r--r-- 1 mirror nobody 32768 May 16 21:52 slib.aq # -r--r--r-- 1 mirror nobody 240640 May 16 20:29 slib.ar # -r--r--r-- 1 mirror nobody 240640 May 16 20:29 slib.as # # so slib.aq appears to be short. It's short on ftp.freebsd.org as well. # # I just avoided the problem by installing a snapshot of 4.0. 4.0 seems to work # a whole lot better for me anyway; 3.2-RELEASE seems to hang up after a while # with errors from the SCSI driver to do with not being able to read a page of # swap (which I seem to have lost the copy I saved of :-( ). # # Nicolai # -- # I speak only for myself. # # # # To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org # with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message # -- brian j. peterson (aka rbw) brianpet@ding.mindspring.com rbw@myplace.org *** the opinions expressed here are my own and not those of my employer. *** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Sep 4 9: 9:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30ABF14F1D for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 09:09:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27925; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:09:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA69243; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:09:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909041609.KAA69243@harmony.village.org> To: Michael Kennett Subject: Re: Changes to binutils (--target=alpha-freebsd) Cc: alpha@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 04 Sep 1999 17:42:52 +0800." <199909040942.RAA26591@laurasia.com.au> References: <199909040942.RAA26591@laurasia.com.au> Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 10:09:38 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Diffs? In message <199909040942.RAA26591@laurasia.com.au> Michael Kennett writes: : Hidden in the bowels of the FreeBSD source tree (/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ : libbfd/alpha) is the file 'bfd.h', which configures the characteristics of the : host architecture. In this file is the line : : #define BFD_HOST_64BIT_LONG 1 : : i.e. It is saying that a (native) alpha compiler has 64-bit registers. By : changing this line to : : #define BFD_HOST_64BIT_LONG 0 : : the cross-compilation from the x86 architecture passes binutils without any : warnings. OK. Should be a better way of doing that than editing the source. : Note that I've cut gdb out of the build (no need to track down bugs : :-). There could still be problems in the compile there. Yes. In the cross compile case, we shouldn't be building gdb here anyway. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Sep 4 13: 5:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.mmcable.com (fe3.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1122150A8 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 13:05:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from emoe@mmcable.com) Received: from zymurgy ([24.94.234.58]) by mail3.mmcable.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Sat, 4 Sep 1999 14:57:27 -0500 Message-ID: <001301bef710$c4745bd0$3aea5e18@zymurgy.mmcable.com> From: "Erik Moe" To: Subject: Multia Install Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 15:04:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to install FreeBSD/Alpha-3.2-RELEASE on a Multia: >>>boot dva0 (boot dva0.0.0.0.1 -flags 0 ) block 0 of dva0.0.0.0.1 is a valid boot block reading 14 blocks from dva0.0.0.0.1 bootstrap code read in base = 154000, image_start =0, image_bytes = 1c000 initializing HWRPB at 2000 initializing page table at 146000 initializing machine state setting affinity to the primary CPU jumping to bootstrap code At which point the Multia promptly hangs with the floppy drive spinning. The "version" string displayed when I boot is "BL3 X3.5-72 Nov 30 1994 18:22:35. Any suggestions? I have successfully installed Redhat 5.2 on this machine, but would rather run FreeBSD. Erik Moe emoe@mmcable.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Sep 4 18: 7:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from annuminas.tusculum.edu (tusculum.edu [206.228.254.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0FFE15051 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 18:07:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmachi@tusculum.edu) Received: from localhost (dmachi@localhost) by annuminas.tusculum.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29862; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:09:44 -0400 Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 21:09:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Dustin Machi To: Erik Moe Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Multia Install In-Reply-To: <001301bef710$c4745bd0$3aea5e18@zymurgy.mmcable.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As this is the problem I had, I know the solution. Its working fine, just just to the serial console. before booting dva0, do set console graphics. Dustin On Sat, 4 Sep 1999, Erik Moe wrote: > I'm trying to install FreeBSD/Alpha-3.2-RELEASE on a Multia: > > >>>boot dva0 > (boot dva0.0.0.0.1 -flags 0 ) > block 0 of dva0.0.0.0.1 is a valid boot block > reading 14 blocks from dva0.0.0.0.1 > bootstrap code read in > base = 154000, image_start =0, image_bytes = 1c000 > initializing HWRPB at 2000 > initializing page table at 146000 > initializing machine state > setting affinity to the primary CPU > jumping to bootstrap code > > At which point the Multia promptly hangs with the floppy drive spinning. > The "version" string displayed when I boot is "BL3 X3.5-72 Nov 30 1994 > 18:22:35. > > Any suggestions? > > I have successfully installed Redhat 5.2 on this machine, but would rather > run FreeBSD. > > Erik Moe > emoe@mmcable.com > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message