From owner-freebsd-arch Mon Dec 27 10:39:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D825150F6 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:39:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18925 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:39:36 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id TAA66038 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:39:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from fgwmail5.fujitsu.co.jp (fgwmail5.fujitsu.co.jp [192.51.44.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B2015266; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 10:38:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp) Received: from m3.gw.fujitsu.co.jp by fgwmail5.fujitsu.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-MX9912-Fujitsu Gateway) id DAA15649; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 03:38:50 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp) Received: from incapgw.fujitsu.co.jp by m3.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-9912-Fujitsu Domain Master) id DAA23440; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 03:38:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost ([192.168.245.29]) by incapgw.fujitsu.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-9912) id DAA03727; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 03:38:48 +0900 (JST) To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, cvs-committers@freebsd.org Subject: [Solicite review for KAME 7th patch] In-Reply-To: <19991223014928J.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> References: <19991217030527N.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> <19991218013056S.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> <19991223014928J.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) X-Prom-Mew: Prom-Mew 1.93.4 (procmail reader for Mew) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991228033918X.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 03:39:18 +0900 From: Yoshinobu Inoue X-Dispatcher: imput version 990905(IM130) Lines: 43 Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The 7th KAME patches is prepared. patches to the kernel: http://paradise.kame.net/v6proxy/diana2/shin/work/freebsd/kernel-tcp.19991228 patches to usr.sbin/trpt: http://paradise.kame.net/v6proxy/diana2/shin/work/freebsd/trpt.19991228 These patches support tcp over IPv6. Other than just adding IPv6 support, there are small points. -The timing of ip and tcp header removal(from the point of view of mbuf) at tcp_input() is now delayed just before sbappend(). Because there are IPv6 ext headers before tcp header. Some information contained in those headers need to be passed up to user-land. ip6_savecontrol() do that task and it want protocol headers remain in mbuf. -A patch to sys/nfs/nfs_socket.c is necessary to avoid kernel panic. This is because the original code assume that protocol header plus nfs data could be put into a small mbuf, but now max_hdr is bigger and mbuf data is a little bit smaller than before, so it become not true. This patch is originally made by Jean-Luc.Richier@Imag.Fr for unified IPv6. I also added a small change to it this time. -There is also small clean up for udp part. I think tcp changes are very critical to system stability, so above patches need to be specially carefully reviewed and tested. After I take some review period, I will announce the patch to freebsd-current, and solicite broader tests. As far as I checked locally, basical TCP communication for both over IPv4 and IPv6 seems to be working. And also I will commit the 6th KAME patches tomorrow, if there are not big comments. Yoshinobu Inoue To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Dec 28 13:37:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D64C15039 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:37:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05733 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:37:08 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id WAA73943 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:37:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CAE14D9A for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:36:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@d60-025.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.25]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08084 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:36:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA06467 for arch@freebsd.org; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:36:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:36:54 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Changing diff's default output format Message-ID: <19991228133654.A6358@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm tired of getting useless diffs from clueless people in traditional format. I'd like to change the default format to -u (or even -c if that is more popular). Opinions? -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Dec 28 13:40:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46B114EE9 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:40:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05769 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:40:04 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id WAA73973 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:40:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2143F14D9A; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:39:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA40882; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:39:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA64375; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:39:02 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199912282139.OAA64375@harmony.village.org> To: obrien@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format Cc: arch@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:36:54 PST." <19991228133654.A6358@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <19991228133654.A6358@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:39:02 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <19991228133654.A6358@dragon.nuxi.com> "David O'Brien" writes: : I'm tired of getting useless diffs from clueless people in traditional : format. I'd like to change the default format to -u (or even -c if that : is more popular). Opinions? I'd love to see the default format changed to -u (since most people have learned to read it, but there are a few vocal exceptions). I worry that it will break scripts, cvs, etc. What is the impact of doing this? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Dec 28 13:40:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B029154E6 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:40:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05776 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:40:18 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id WAA73987 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:40:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF93414D2C; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:40:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 588B81C5D; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556DA3821; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:38:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:38:16 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: "David O'Brien" Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-Reply-To: <19991228133654.A6358@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, David O'Brien wrote: > I'm tired of getting useless diffs from clueless people in traditional > format. I'd like to change the default format to -u (or even -c if that > is more popular). Opinions? I'd go with '-u', I think it's a good change and I don't see that it would break anything. -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Dec 28 13:42:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9282614D6A for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:42:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05806 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:42:40 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id WAA74032 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:42:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759E7154E8; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:42:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05454; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:44:04 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:41:48 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "David O'Brien" Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-Reply-To: <19991228133654.A6358@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG No, please don't. This is something which is so basic to *all* unix systems that it would be very unwise to change the default expected behaviour. If you want a default format, either use aliases, an environment variable, or even a different argv[0] to get the -u or -c behaviour. On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, David O'Brien wrote: > I'm tired of getting useless diffs from clueless people in traditional > format. I'd like to change the default format to -u (or even -c if that > is more popular). Opinions? > > -- > -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Dec 28 13:43: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9334914D9A for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:42:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05818 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:42:57 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id WAA74054 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:42:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F28114F39; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:42:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05458; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:44:52 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:42:37 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Warner Losh Cc: obrien@freebsd.org, arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-Reply-To: <199912282139.OAA64375@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -u over -c will break the movement of diffs from *BSD to Solaris which I use every nigh t. On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <19991228133654.A6358@dragon.nuxi.com> "David O'Brien" writes: > : I'm tired of getting useless diffs from clueless people in traditional > : format. I'd like to change the default format to -u (or even -c if that > : is more popular). Opinions? > > I'd love to see the default format changed to -u (since most people > have learned to read it, but there are a few vocal exceptions). I > worry that it will break scripts, cvs, etc. What is the impact of > doing this? > > Warner > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Dec 28 13:46:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B3314BCC for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:46:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05858 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:46:10 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id WAA74114 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:46:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E46314BCC; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:46:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 365C81C5D; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:45:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A233821; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:45:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:45:16 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Warner Losh , obrien@freebsd.org, arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > -u over -c will break the movement of diffs from *BSD to Solaris which I > use every nigh > t. Solaris's patch isn't smart enough to read those? What decade are they in? -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Dec 28 13:52:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C0914BCC for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:52:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05911 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:52:03 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id WAA74176 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:52:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B76315528; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:51:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA40947; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:51:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA64511; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:51:09 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199912282151.OAA64511@harmony.village.org> To: mjacob@feral.com Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format Cc: obrien@freebsd.org, arch@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:42:37 PST." References: Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:51:09 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Matthew Jacob writes: : -u over -c will break the movement of diffs from *BSD to Solaris which I : use every nigh : t. Don't you explicitly use -c now? Right now there is no context diff output. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Dec 28 13:59: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C0014EE9 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:59:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05960 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:57:48 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id WAA74211 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:57:48 +0100 (MET) Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D3415039 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:55:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05515; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:58:02 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:55:46 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Bill Fumerola Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > -u over -c will break the movement of diffs from *BSD to Solaris which I > > use every nigh > > t. > > Solaris's patch isn't smart enough to read those? What decade are they in? That's hardly the point. The point here, which I won't defend very vigorously, is that there are maybe 10 basic Unix utilities, that should be default look pretty much the same across *all* Unix systems. There may be some POSIX collateral on this, if not SVID stuff- I'm too far out of the standards game now to remember. But the idea here is default warm && fuzzies for things like ls, sh, cat, who, grep, tail, wc and diff. It's not like all of this cannot be worked around- it's not *that* big of a deal. But I argue that for the very few simple basic utils that keeping it standard by default is a very large plus for all Unix variants. Making it 'different' even if 'better' is the route that SCO, DG-UX, IRIX, OSF/1 all have fallen into, thus allowing Microsoft (and now Linux) to sell everyone a load of counterfeit diamonds. Things like whether there are or are not block devices, whether there are one or two filemarks at the end of a tape are very much non-issues relative to a basic look/feel. I've made my point- if people agree, great. If not, it's not that big of a deal. I was hacking on Unix before BSD let alone FreeBSD was around, and I'm sure I'll outlive FreeBSD too despite the g/better/s//different/g trap. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Dec 28 14: 0:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2600615461 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:00:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05976 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:59:23 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id WAA74225 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:59:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB41114D8F; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:56:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05519; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:58:37 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:56:21 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Warner Losh Cc: obrien@freebsd.org, arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-Reply-To: <199912282151.OAA64511@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message Matthew Jacob writes: > : -u over -c will break the movement of diffs from *BSD to Solaris which I > : use every nigh > : t. > > Don't you explicitly use -c now? Right now there is no context diff Sorry, I'm a bonehead, that's true enough. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Dec 28 15:19:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE58314EB9 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:19:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06426 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:19:05 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id AAA74604 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:19:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419F115639; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:18:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id JAA83372; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:48:25 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:48:25 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Warner Losh , Matthew Jacob Cc: obrien@freebsd.org, arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format Message-ID: <19991229094825.P1316@freebie.lemis.com> References: <199912282151.OAA64511@harmony.village.org> <19991228133654.A6358@dragon.nuxi.com> <199912282139.OAA64375@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <199912282139.OAA64375@harmony.village.org> WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday, 28 December 1999 at 14:39:02 -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <19991228133654.A6358@dragon.nuxi.com> "David O'Brien" writes: >> I'm tired of getting useless diffs from clueless people in traditional >> format. I'd like to change the default format to -u (or even -c if that >> is more popular). Opinions? > > I'd love to see the default format changed to -u (since most people > have learned to read it, but there are a few vocal exceptions). I > worry that it will break scripts, cvs, etc. What is the impact of > doing this? On Tuesday, 28 December 1999 at 13:56:21 -0800, Matt Jacob wrote: > >> In message Matthew Jacob writes: >>> -u over -c will break the movement of diffs from *BSD to Solaris which I >>> use every nigh >>> t. >> >> Don't you explicitly use -c now? Right now there is no context diff > > Sorry, I'm a bonehead, that's true enough. So we have no objection to the change? I suppose the real question is: does *anyone* use the default format? I'm definitely in favour of changing the default, and I'd prefer -u to -c. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Dec 28 15:22: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C35615486 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:21:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06457 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:21:55 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id AAA74642 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:21:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E0F14E53; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:21:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05783; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:23:43 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:21:27 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Greg Lehey Cc: Warner Losh , obrien@freebsd.org, arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-Reply-To: <19991229094825.P1316@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > So we have no objection to the change? I suppose the real question > is: does *anyone* use the default format? I'm definitely in favour of > changing the default, and I'd prefer -u to -c. No, I still do object to the change for reasons stated in separate mail. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Dec 28 16:48:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7B814CD2 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:48:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07008 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 01:48:54 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id BAA75033 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 01:48:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CAB4154E6 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:48:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@d60-025.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.25]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08945; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:48:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA07541; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:48:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:48:40 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Matthew Jacob Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format Message-ID: <19991228164840.A7516@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <19991228133654.A6358@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from mjacob@feral.com on Tue, Dec 28, 1999 at 01:41:48PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Dec 28, 1999 at 01:41:48PM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > If you want a default format, either use aliases, an environment variable, > or even a different argv[0] to get the -u or -c behaviour. BUT, this does not fix the problem -- lusers constantly sending me traditional diffs that usually don't apply for various reasons. On my machines I already have ``DIFF_OPTIONS=-u''. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Dec 28 16:59:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA0F14C95 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:59:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA07075 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 01:59:25 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id BAA75095 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 01:59:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3BD814EBB; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:59:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA41385; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:59:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id RAA65616; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:59:03 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199912290059.RAA65616@harmony.village.org> To: obrien@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format Cc: Matthew Jacob , arch@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:48:40 PST." <19991228164840.A7516@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <19991228164840.A7516@dragon.nuxi.com> <19991228133654.A6358@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:59:03 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <19991228164840.A7516@dragon.nuxi.com> "David O'Brien" writes: : BUT, this does not fix the problem -- lusers constantly sending me : traditional diffs that usually don't apply for various reasons. On my : machines I already have ``DIFF_OPTIONS=-u''. Hmmm, maybe we need a DIFF_POSIX_ME_HARDER=y to restore the old behavior after David makes this change :-) Actually, DIFF_POSIXLY_CORRECT might be a better name. This wouild solve David's problem with an escape hatch for those that need compatibility between systems. However, having said that, I'm afraid that the cure may be worse than the problem. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Dec 28 17:29:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B0B14F39 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:29:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07512 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 02:29:49 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id CAA75455 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 02:29:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6165B14E74; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:29:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06049; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:31:53 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:29:37 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "David O'Brien" Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-Reply-To: <19991228164840.A7516@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > If you want a default format, either use aliases, an environment variable, > > or even a different argv[0] to get the -u or -c behaviour. > > BUT, this does not fix the problem -- lusers constantly sending me > traditional diffs that usually don't apply for various reasons. On my > machines I already have ``DIFF_OPTIONS=-u''. Fixing lusers is not a -arch question/issue :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Dec 28 17:30:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F751500A for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:30:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07531 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 02:30:39 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id CAA75493 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 02:30:38 +0100 (MET) Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242B214F3C; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:30:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06057; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:32:43 -0800 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:30:27 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Warner Losh Cc: obrien@freebsd.org, arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-Reply-To: <199912290059.RAA65616@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The actual solution to the problem is to ignore mail (and broken diff output) that's stupid. On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <19991228164840.A7516@dragon.nuxi.com> "David O'Brien" writes: > : BUT, this does not fix the problem -- lusers constantly sending me > : traditional diffs that usually don't apply for various reasons. On my > : machines I already have ``DIFF_OPTIONS=-u''. > > Hmmm, maybe we need a DIFF_POSIX_ME_HARDER=y to restore the old > behavior after David makes this change :-) Actually, > DIFF_POSIXLY_CORRECT might be a better name. This wouild solve > David's problem with an escape hatch for those that need compatibility > between systems. > > However, having said that, I'm afraid that the cure may be worse than > the problem. > > Warner > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Tue Dec 28 17:38:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1C215127 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:38:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA07578 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 02:38:15 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id CAA75539 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 02:38:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [216.240.41.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A0B1554D; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:38:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA46356; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:38:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:38:08 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199912290138.RAA46356@apollo.backplane.com> To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Warner Losh , obrien@freebsd.org, arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format References: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On the one hand we all know that a unified diff is really the best way to go for patches. On the other hand there is no good argument to change the default except to 'catch the bozos who don't know about -u' since the rest of us just use -u, and I really don't like the idea of adding pollution to make.conf or other files, or even adding a hardlink, just to change the default. Or perhaps hand the problem off to the principle architect with the question: "We all agree that a unified diff is better, but changing the default may cause pain to installations already out there. Is it worth changing the default?". -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Dec 29 0:58:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2067114E46 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:58:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09850 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:58:33 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id JAA77118 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:58:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B391314CCB for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 00:58:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA52798 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:57:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:38:08 PST." <199912290138.RAA46356@apollo.backplane.com> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:57:57 +0100 Message-ID: <52796.946457877@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199912290138.RAA46356@apollo.backplane.com>, Matthew Dillon writes: > On the other hand there is no good argument to change the default > except to 'catch the bozos who don't know about -u' since the rest of > us just use -u I really don't think this is sufficient ground to change the default. But it would make sense to modify GNATS to automatically barf back to people who send non-context diffs. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Dec 29 6:22: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB481505D for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 06:21:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13291 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:21:55 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id PAA78403 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:21:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B3214C8D for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 06:21:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6C5A11C5D; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:20:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B6E3843; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:20:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:20:54 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-Reply-To: <52796.946457877@critter.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > I really don't think this is sufficient ground to change the default. > > But it would make sense to modify GNATS to automatically barf back > to people who send non-context diffs. those and ones with --- foo.c +++ foo.c.orig :-> -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Dec 29 7: 0:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AFD156C5 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 07:00:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13667 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:00:23 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA78580 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:00:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from fgwmail5.fujitsu.co.jp (fgwmail5.fujitsu.co.jp [192.51.44.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F00B150A5; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 07:00:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp) Received: from m3.gw.fujitsu.co.jp by fgwmail5.fujitsu.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-MX9912-Fujitsu Gateway) id AAA29694; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:00:09 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp) Received: from incapgw.fujitsu.co.jp by m3.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-9912-Fujitsu Domain Master) id AAA14692; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:00:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost ([192.168.245.205]) by incapgw.fujitsu.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-9912) id AAA24417; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:00:06 +0900 (JST) To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, cvs-committers@freebsd.org Subject: [Solicite review for KAME 8th patch] X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) X-Prom-Mew: Prom-Mew 1.93.4 (procmail reader for Mew) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991230000034Q.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:00:34 +0900 From: Yoshinobu Inoue X-Dispatcher: imput version 990905(IM130) Lines: 35 Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The 8th KAME patches is prepared. http://paradise.kame.net/v6proxy/diana2/shin/work/freebsd/ipsec-apps.19991229 These patches are libipsec and IPsec apps. - libipsec - sbin/ping update for IPsec - IPsec, IPv6, KAME, and other man - usr.sbin/netstat update for IPsec - usr.sbin/rrenumd Router IPv6 prefix renumbering daemon. Sender side of renumbering request. - usr.sbin/rtadvd Router advertisement sending daemon. That message autoconfigures neighboring hosts states including IPv6 prefixes and addrs, and default router. This is also receiver side of router renumbering request. - usr.sbin/setkey Manual configuration command for IPsec keys and policies. - usr.sbin/traceroute6 Just added -DIPSEC into Makefile - usr.sbin/ndp This is not IPsec related. Similar to arp command but many more. -display and control Neighbor node state -display and control default router state -display and control IPv6 prefix state Comments are welcome. Yoshinobu Inoue To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Dec 29 7:12:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA06151A4 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 07:12:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13840 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:12:12 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id QAA78653 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:12:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au (mailman.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D6714FE8 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 07:12:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: from bde.zeta.org.au (beefcake.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.12]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA29573; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 02:11:45 +1100 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 02:11:25 +1100 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-Sender: bde@alphplex.bde.org To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Bill Fumerola , arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > That's hardly the point. The point here, which I won't defend very > vigorously, is that there are maybe 10 basic Unix utilities, that should > be default look pretty much the same across *all* Unix systems. > > There may be some POSIX collateral on this, if not SVID stuff- I'm too far From a POSIX.2 draft: P2> 4.17 diff - Compare two files P2> P2> P2> 4.17.1 Synopsis P2> P2> diff [ -c | -e | -C n ] [-br] file1 file2 P2> P2> P2> 4.17.2 Description P2> P2> The diff utility shall compare the contents of file1 and file2 and write P2> to standard output a list of changes necessary to convert file1 into P2> file2. This list should be minimal. No output shall be produced if the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ P2> files are identical. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Dec 29 9:28:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA244155F3 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:28:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15103 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:28:19 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id SAA79246 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:28:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601EB15596 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:28:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1847E1CCF; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 01:27:59 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Bruce Evans Cc: Matthew Jacob , Bill Fumerola , arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-Reply-To: Message from Bruce Evans of "Thu, 30 Dec 1999 02:11:25 +1100." Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 01:27:59 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <19991229172759.1847E1CCF@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bruce Evans wrote: > On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > That's hardly the point. The point here, which I won't defend very > > vigorously, is that there are maybe 10 basic Unix utilities, that should > > be default look pretty much the same across *all* Unix systems. > > > > There may be some POSIX collateral on this, if not SVID stuff- I'm too far > > >From a POSIX.2 draft: > > P2> 4.17 diff - Compare two files > P2> > P2> > P2> 4.17.1 Synopsis > P2> > P2> diff [ -c | -e | -C n ] [-br] file1 file2 > P2> > P2> > P2> 4.17.2 Description > P2> > P2> The diff utility shall compare the contents of file1 and file2 and write > P2> to standard output a list of changes necessary to convert file1 into > P2> file2. This list should be minimal. No output shall be produced if the > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > P2> files are identical. Typical POSIX - Ambiguous as usual. "should" != "must". One could argue that context diffs would fit in there depending on who is doing the conversion - the minimum required for most humans to do a "conversion" is -c format, see the PR database for examples. Anyway, as much as I'd love to change the default, I'm sure somebody somewhere will have something broken and/or take offence. Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Dec 29 9:30:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417751568D for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:30:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15150 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:30:39 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id SAA79281 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:30:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80A6155F3 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:30:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20164; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:30:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA34411; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:30:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:30:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199912291730.JAA34411@vashon.polstra.com> To: bde@zeta.org.au Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: arch@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article , Bruce Evans wrote: > On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > That's hardly the point. The point here, which I won't defend very > > vigorously, is that there are maybe 10 basic Unix utilities, that should > > be default look pretty much the same across *all* Unix systems. > > > > There may be some POSIX collateral on this, if not SVID stuff- I'm too far > > From a POSIX.2 draft: [...] The Single Unix Specification also states that the default output format has the traditional (ed-style) form. I am strongly against changing the default. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Dec 29 9:40:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC53415267 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:40:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15211 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:40:11 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id SAA79327 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:40:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F142E151E5 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:38:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA54993; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:37:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Peter Wemm Cc: Bruce Evans , Matthew Jacob , Bill Fumerola , arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 30 Dec 1999 01:27:59 +0800." <19991229172759.1847E1CCF@overcee.netplex.com.au> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:37:58 +0100 Message-ID: <54991.946489078@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <19991229172759.1847E1CCF@overcee.netplex.com.au>, Peter Wemm writes : >> P2> 4.17.2 Description >> P2> >> P2> The diff utility shall compare the contents of file1 and file2 and write >> P2> to standard output a list of changes necessary to convert file1 into >> P2> file2. This list should be minimal. No output shall be produced if the >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> P2> files are identical. > >Typical POSIX - Ambiguous as usual. "should" != "must". One could argue >that context diffs would fit in there depending on who is doing the >conversion - the minimum required for most humans to do a "conversion" is >-c format, see the PR database for examples. Uhm, I think the point of the posix text is to find the minimal set of changes, not the actual number of ascii-characters in the output. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Dec 29 9:54: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB1B14DA2 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:54:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15329 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:54:01 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id SAA79379 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:54:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04EDD14CC2 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:53:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 109141C66; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018B73847; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:52:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:52:59 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Peter Wemm Cc: Bruce Evans , Matthew Jacob , arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-Reply-To: <19991229172759.1847E1CCF@overcee.netplex.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 30 Dec 1999, Peter Wemm wrote: > Typical POSIX - Ambiguous as usual. "should" != "must". One could argue > that context diffs would fit in there depending on who is doing the > conversion - the minimum required for most humans to do a "conversion" is > -c format, see the PR database for examples. -u0 is minimal. :-> -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Dec 29 10:21: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C6A1519E for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:20:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15565 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:20:58 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id TAA79514 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:20:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from isbalham.ist.co.uk (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923E41568D; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:20:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from gid.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by isbalham.ist.co.uk (8.9.2/8.8.7) with UUCP id SAA99991; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:20:38 GMT (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from [194.32.164.2] by seagoon.gid.co.uk; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:17:01 GMT X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991228133654.A6358@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:17:00 +0000 To: obrien@freebsd.org From: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format Cc: arch@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, At 1:36 pm -0800 28/12/99, David O'Brien wrote: >I'm tired of getting useless diffs from clueless people in traditional >format. I'd like to change the default format to -u (or even -c if that >is more popular). Opinions? Don't Do That - the cure would be far worse than the disease. -- Bob Bishop (0118) 977 4017 international code +44 118 rb@gid.co.uk fax (0118) 989 4254 between 0800 and 1800 UK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Dec 29 10:36:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B04014E87 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:36:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15705 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:36:30 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id TAA79606 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:36:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6174B156FD for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:35:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08512; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:36:58 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:36:58 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Peter Wemm Cc: Bruce Evans , Bill Fumerola , arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-Reply-To: <19991229172759.1847E1CCF@overcee.netplex.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Typical POSIX - Ambiguous as usual. You mean "oracular" don't you? :-) > that context diffs would fit in there depending on who is doing the > conversion - the minimum required for most humans to do a "conversion" is > -c format, see the PR database for examples. > > Anyway, as much as I'd love to change the default, I'm sure somebody > somewhere will have something broken and/or take offence. By all means change the default (in your environment). Under what theory of operation are you convinced that changing the default for everyone is such a wonderful thing? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Dec 29 11:20:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C33314FD5 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:20:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16068 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 20:20:28 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id UAA79922 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 20:20:28 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F841520F for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@d60-025.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.25]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12493; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:20:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA08197; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:20:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:20:02 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Bob Bishop Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format Message-ID: <19991229112002.P2130@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <19991228133654.A6358@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from rb@gid.co.uk on Wed, Dec 29, 1999 at 06:17:00PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Dec 29, 1999 at 06:17:00PM +0000, Bob Bishop wrote: > Don't Do That - the cure would be far worse than the disease. Why? Can you substantiate? -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Dec 29 11:51: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9EE15122 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:51:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16281 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 20:51:03 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id UAA80082 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 20:50:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from isbalham.ist.co.uk (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0989115605; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:50:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from gid.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by isbalham.ist.co.uk (8.9.2/8.8.7) with UUCP id TAA01157; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:50:40 GMT (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from [194.32.164.2] by seagoon.gid.co.uk; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:49:44 GMT X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19991229112002.P2130@dragon.nuxi.com> References: ; from rb@gid.co.uk on Wed, Dec 29, 1999 at 06:17:00PM +0000 <19991228133654.A6358@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:49:41 +0000 To: obrien@freebsd.org From: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format Cc: arch@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 11:20 am -0800 29/12/99, David O'Brien wrote: >On Wed, Dec 29, 1999 at 06:17:00PM +0000, Bob Bishop wrote: >> Don't Do That - the cure would be far worse than the disease. > >Why? Can you substantiate? Well just for a start it will break /etc/security (fairly trivially, I'll grant). How many other scripts in the world will it break? What about cvs? (Just guessing). Plus as others have pointed out nobody else's diff does this. How about adding "DIFF_OPTIONS=-u" to standard profiles instead? -- Bob Bishop (0118) 977 4017 international code +44 118 rb@gid.co.uk fax (0118) 989 4254 between 0800 and 1800 UK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Dec 29 12:54:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 143821515A for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:54:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16711 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:53:57 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id VAA80328 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:53:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from alcanet.com.au (border.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C76154C4 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:53:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <40323>; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 07:44:02 +1100 Content-return: prohibited Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 07:53:22 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-reply-to: ; from bde@zeta.org.au on Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 02:11:25AM +1100 To: Bruce Evans Cc: arch@freebsd.org Message-Id: <99Dec30.074402est.40323@border.alcanet.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 1999-Dec-30 02:11:25 +1100, Bruce Evans wrote: >From a POSIX.2 draft: > >P2> file2. This list should be minimal. No output shall be produced if the > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I would read this as `the list of differences should be minimal', not `the output size should be minimal'. If you want to minimize output size, I think 'diff -e' will normally be shorter than plain diff :-) (because deleted lines turn into a single `d', rather than a repeat of the deleted line). Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Dec 29 19: 8:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FB415096 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:08:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19736 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 04:08:32 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id EAA82212 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 04:08:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C581509C for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:08:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@d60-025.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.25]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14344; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:08:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA16211; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:08:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:08:19 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: John Polstra Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format Message-ID: <19991229190819.E16090@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <199912291730.JAA34411@vashon.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <199912291730.JAA34411@vashon.polstra.com>; from jdp@polstra.com on Wed, Dec 29, 1999 at 09:30:31AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Dec 29, 1999 at 09:30:31AM -0800, John Polstra wrote: > > The Single Unix Specification also states that the default output > format has the traditional (ed-style) form. That's the strongest and best argument against the change so far. And one I'm willing to follow. [Had POSIX been non-ambiguously worded, I'd have listened to it.] -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Dec 29 19: 8:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDBF14FE6 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:08:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19727 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 04:08:28 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id EAA82190 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 04:08:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589E814C9A for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:06:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@d60-025.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.25]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14332; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:06:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA16192; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:06:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:06:32 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Bob Bishop Cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format Message-ID: <19991229190632.D16090@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: ; <19991228133654.A6358@dragon.nuxi.com> <19991229112002.P2130@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from rb@gid.co.uk on Wed, Dec 29, 1999 at 07:49:41PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Well just for a start it will break /etc/security (fairly trivially, I'll > grant). Ok, a 3-line edit and that is fixed. Whoppie. > How many other scripts in the world will it break? What about cvs? > (Just guessing). To quote wpaul: Don't guess, substantiate. CVS uses its own internal diff routines. Anyway, most people use ``cvs diff -(u|c)'' anyway. I would be saying them typing. > Plus as others have pointed out nobody else's diff does > this. So? We start the revolution. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Dec 29 22:22:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5611E14FC1 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:22:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20817 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 07:22:32 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id HAA82931 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 07:22:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au (mailman.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A177E14D9A; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:22:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: from bde.zeta.org.au (beefcake.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.12]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA07361; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:22:18 +1100 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:21:09 +1100 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-Sender: bde@alphplex.bde.org To: "David O'Brien" Cc: John Polstra , arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-Reply-To: <19991229190819.E16090@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, David O'Brien wrote: > On Wed, Dec 29, 1999 at 09:30:31AM -0800, John Polstra wrote: > > > > The Single Unix Specification also states that the default output > > format has the traditional (ed-style) form. > > That's the strongest and best argument against the change so far. And > one I'm willing to follow. > > [Had POSIX been non-ambiguously worded, I'd have listened to it.] POSIX 1992 draft standard continued (I trimmed too much context in the previous quote): P2> 4.17.6.1.2 diff Default Output Format P2> P2> The default (without -e, -c, or -C options) diff utility output contains P2> lines of these forms: P2> P2> "%da%d\n", , P2> P2> "%da%d,%d\n", , , P2> P2> [...] P2> P2> These lines resemble ed subcommands to convert file1 into file2. The line P2> [...] P2> P2> Following each of these lines, diff shall write to standard output all P2> lines affected in the first file using the format: P2> P2> "<W%s", P2> P2> and all lines affected in the second file using the format: P2> P2> ">W%s", P2> P2> If there are lines affected in both file1 and file2 (as with the c P2> subcommand), the changes are separated with a line consisting of three P2> hyphens: P2> P2> "---\n" P2> Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Dec 29 23:22:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19C08150C5 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:22:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21187 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:22:37 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id IAA83113 for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:22:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB7E14CC4; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:22:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10206; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:24:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:22:28 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Bob Bishop , arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing diff's default output format In-Reply-To: <19991229190632.D16090@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Plus as others have pointed out nobody else's diff does > > this. > > So? We start the revolution. yah, yah, yah... I've said it before- don't do the g/better/s//different/ dance... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message