From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 8 11:14: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA7414E3C; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:13:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id UAA28671; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:09:10 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id UAA94636; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:27:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990808202728.35157@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:27:28 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Hal Flynn Cc: Bill Swingle , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD at LinuxWorld References: <19990806172432.A12259@dub.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Hal Flynn on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 10:49:59PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hal Flynn writes: > affect of "FreeBSD, the next level" would draw a little attention. True, > not as much as scantily clad females, but somehow reaching into the > attention span long enough to draw an audience. Jordan in a bikini ? *shudder* -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 8 17:25:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7918014BFC; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:25:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA19342; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:24:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd019302; Sun Aug 8 17:24:04 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA06342; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:24:01 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908090024.RAA06342@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD at LinuxWorld To: hal@achilles.gibralter.net (Hal Flynn) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:24:01 +0000 (GMT) Cc: unfurl@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Hal Flynn" at Aug 6, 99 10:49:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Out of curiousity, how are you "bannerizing" your booth, Bill? I'll admit > that when I started using FreeBSD, I was from a Linux and SysV background, > and therefore not knowing what to expect (other than that fact that a > fellow SA at work swore by it). Label me crazy and write me off (as most > other allegedly sane people have), but I think that something to the > affect of "FreeBSD, the next level" would draw a little attention. True, > not as much as scantily clad females, but somehow reaching into the > attention span long enough to draw an audience. So would a graphic login by default, that doesn't look like a kernel horked up a hairball, and advertises the fact that the machines in the lab are running FreeBSD, not DOS. I know there is a lot of resistance to this idea, but when you see an idle Windows box, you *know* it's running Windows; when you see an idle FreeBSD box, the same is not true. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Aug 8 23:10:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE39150A5; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:10:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id IAA07002; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:07:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id IAA95583; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:25:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990809082533.41181@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:25:33 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Terry Lambert Cc: Hal Flynn , unfurl@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD at LinuxWorld References: <199908090024.RAA06342@usr08.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199908090024.RAA06342@usr08.primenet.com>; from Terry Lambert on Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 12:24:01AM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert writes: > > So would a graphic login by default, that doesn't look like a > kernel horked up a hairball, and advertises the fact that the > machines in the lab are running FreeBSD, not DOS. Stimpy as FreeBSD mascot ? -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 9 1:56: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC6C814F89; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 01:55:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA82367; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:52:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Terry Lambert Cc: hal@achilles.gibralter.net (Hal Flynn), unfurl@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD at LinuxWorld References: <199908090024.RAA06342@usr08.primenet.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 09 Aug 1999 10:52:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: Terry Lambert's message of "Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:24:01 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert writes: > So would a graphic login by default, that doesn't look like a > kernel horked up a hairball, and advertises the fact that the > machines in the lab are running FreeBSD, not DOS. Hmm, a graphics-aware getty? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 9 2:20:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC186152AF; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 02:20:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07411; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:17:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id LAA98754; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:17:25 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:17:25 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: CVSROOT avail Message-ID: <19990809111725.O82947@bitbox.follo.net> References: <199908062305.QAA41176@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Dag-Erling Smorgrav on Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 11:11:37AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Moving to -chat] On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 11:11:37AM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Eivind Eklund writes: > > Log: > > Welcome Chris Costello to the Clear Air Turbulence. > > I see you've been reading the book I lent you :) Well, Chris didn't have to kill anyone, as Peter re-wired the ship instead... :) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 9 6:59:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D131521A; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:59:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10026; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:56:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id PAA99913; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:56:28 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:56:27 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Phil Regnauld Cc: Greg Lehey , David Scheidt , Nik Clayton , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history Message-ID: <19990809155627.B99680@bitbox.follo.net> References: <19990804092851.R62948@freebie.lemis.com> <19990804182647.33801@ns.int.ftf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990804182647.33801@ns.int.ftf.net>; from Phil Regnauld on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 06:26:47PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 06:26:47PM +0200, Phil Regnauld wrote: > David Scheidt writes: > > Still sounds really good, though. > > freebsd-recipes ? I'm in favour! (Actually, somewhat seriously meant - I think having more 'social spillover' in the project would be a Good Thing, and about half the good programmers I know are also good cooks - the other ones live on pizza and coke, or have a wife or similar to cook for them). Eivind, who loves cooking and is at least reasonably good at it. Anybody dropping by Norway singularly is hereby compelled to drop by for dinner (but give me two days warning). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 9 9:11:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [208.139.222.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1941516C; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:11:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18217; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:07:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from free.pcs (free.PCS [148.105.10.51]) by right.PCS (8.8.5/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA09701; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:07:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by free.pcs (8.8.6/8.8.5) id LAA23828; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:07:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:07:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Lemon Message-Id: <199908091607.LAA23828@free.pcs> To: eivind@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history X-Newsgroups: local.mail.freebsd-chat In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Architecture and Operating System Fanatics Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article you write: >On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 06:26:47PM +0200, Phil Regnauld wrote: >> David Scheidt writes: >> > Still sounds really good, though. >> >> freebsd-recipes ? > >I'm in favour! (Actually, somewhat seriously meant - I think having >more 'social spillover' in the project would be a Good Thing, and >about half the good programmers I know are also good cooks - the other >ones live on pizza and coke, or have a wife or similar to cook for >them). > >Eivind, who loves cooking and is at least reasonably good at it. >Anybody dropping by Norway singularly is hereby compelled to drop by >for dinner (but give me two days warning). Hmm. I'll have to keep that in mind. My wife is swedish, and my sister-in-law has moved from Stockholm to Norway, although I forget where. I still owe her a visit when I can find the time and money to fly out there. (Although it's cheaper for them to come to the US; It isn't fair that they have subsidized travel, and we don't. :-( Darn it, now you've gone and made me hungry. I definitely fall into the latter category (haveing someone else cook for me), so I'm going to pester my wife to make gravlax this week. :-) -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 9 11:55:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58DD715641; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:54:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id LAA25842; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id LAA20209; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:44:54 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn5.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA13162; Mon, 9 Aug 99 11:49:10 PDT Message-Id: <37AF22A5.D2CA6028@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 12:49:09 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert Cc: Hal Flynn , unfurl@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD at LinuxWorld References: <199908090024.RAA06342@usr08.primenet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Out of curiousity, how are you "bannerizing" your booth, Bill? I'll admit > > that when I started using FreeBSD, I was from a Linux and SysV background, > > and therefore not knowing what to expect (other than that fact that a > > fellow SA at work swore by it). Label me crazy and write me off (as most > > other allegedly sane people have), but I think that something to the > > affect of "FreeBSD, the next level" would draw a little attention. True, > > not as much as scantily clad females, but somehow reaching into the > > attention span long enough to draw an audience. > > So would a graphic login by default, that doesn't look like a > kernel horked up a hairball, and advertises the fact that the > machines in the lab are running FreeBSD, not DOS. > > I know there is a lot of resistance to this idea, but when you > see an idle Windows box, you *know* it's running Windows; when > you see an idle FreeBSD box, the same is not true. It is on mine. I use the wdm login manager from WindowMaker, and the "daemon looking over the wasteland" screen background. One of these days I'm going to replace the planet earth in the little login box with a daemon logo also. The next step would be to make a standard "workstation" configuration button that installs all of this with one (or a few) knobs in sysinstall. The image is available as part of the FreeBSD theme available at themes.org; everything else is vanilla WindowMaker straight from port kits. Maybe I should just write a book... -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 9 13:15:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D382314FBE; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:15:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id NAA27083; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id NAA23495; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:08:52 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com (dyn5.utah.xylan.com) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA17607; Mon, 9 Aug 99 13:13:13 PDT Message-Id: <37AF3657.4F6CDBDD@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 14:13:11 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: AMD Frequently Asked Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Did anyone catch the list of products compatible with the Athlon processor (the CPU formerly known as K7) on the AMD web site? http://www1.amd.com/products/cpg/compatibility/catsearch/result/1,1372,4,00.html?cat=Operating+Systems&hw_sw=sw They specifically mention FreeBSD: Free BSD 2.0 Operating Systems Free BSD 2.0.5 Operating Systems Free BSD 2.1.5 Operating Systems Free BSD 2.2.2 Operating Systems Free BSD 2.2.8 Operating Systems Free BSD 3.0 Operating Systems ;^) -- Wes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 9 14:20:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu (exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FD914D75; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:20:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu (ppp36.pm3a.wport.com [206.129.99.134]) by exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id QS0G62NT; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:18:06 -0700 Message-ID: <37AF45A5.E5A117FC@seattleu.edu> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 14:18:29 -0700 From: Eric Hodel Organization: Dis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wes Peters Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD Frequently Asked Questions References: <37AF3657.4F6CDBDD@softweyr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wes Peters wrote: > > Did anyone catch the list of products compatible with the Athlon processor > (the CPU formerly known as K7) on the AMD web site? What about -current? -- Eric Hodel hodeleri@seattleu.edu "They cook your gonies" -Terry Lambert's uncle on why he doesn't have a microwave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 9 14:31:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832B414D75; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:31:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10401; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:29:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990809152315.041da7c0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 15:28:58 -0600 To: Eric Hodel , Wes Peters From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: AMD Frequently Asked Questions Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <37AF45A5.E5A117FC@seattleu.edu> References: <37AF3657.4F6CDBDD@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't know about -current, but 3.2-RELEASE works fine. On my test system (nominally 600 MHz, though the BIOS reports 616 MHz) a soup-to-nuts "make world" took 49 minutes. This is with a Quantum Fireball ATAPI drive. --Brett At 02:18 PM 8/9/99 -0700, Eric Hodel wrote: >Wes Peters wrote: > > > > Did anyone catch the list of products compatible with the Athlon processor > > (the CPU formerly known as K7) on the AMD web site? > >What about -current? > >-- >Eric Hodel >hodeleri@seattleu.edu > >"They cook your gonies" > -Terry Lambert's uncle on why he doesn't have a microwave > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 9 15:34:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from travelers.mail.cornell.edu (TRAVELERS.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.56.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448E7150A7; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:34:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc26@cornell.edu) Received: from travelers.mail.cornell.edu (travelers.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.13]) by travelers.mail.cornell.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA06022; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:31:09 -0400 (EDT) From: cjc26@cornell.edu Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:31:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: cjc26@travelers.mail.cornell.edu To: Jonathan Lemon Cc: eivind@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history In-Reply-To: <199908091607.LAA23828@free.pcs> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Jonathan Lemon wrote: > Darn it, now you've gone and made me hungry. I definitely fall into > the latter category (haveing someone else cook for me), so I'm going > to pester my wife to make gravlax this week. :-) To make *what*?? "Gravlax"?? -- cliff crawford http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/cjc26/ main(q){6-q&&main(q-1),putchar(67+3*(19%q-q/4));} To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 9 16:25:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B141534D for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:25:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA16230; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:23:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id BAA02601; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:23:03 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:23:03 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: cjc26@cornell.edu Cc: Jonathan Lemon , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Recipies [was Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history] Message-ID: <19990810012303.I99680@bitbox.follo.net> References: <199908091607.LAA23828@free.pcs> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from cjc26@cornell.edu on Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 06:31:09PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 06:31:09PM -0400, cjc26@cornell.edu wrote: > On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Jonathan Lemon wrote: > > > Darn it, now you've gone and made me hungry. I definitely fall into > > the latter category (haveing someone else cook for me), so I'm going > > to pester my wife to make gravlax this week. :-) > > To make *what*?? "Gravlax"?? Graved[1] Salmon[2], to do an exact translation. It is an old norwegian dish involving treating the fish with caustic soda and spices, and leaving it to itself for a while. It tastes good with scrambled eggs, and is traditionally served at christmas breakfast. If anybody want an exact recipie, I can look it up - I've not made it myself, and it is a number of years since I've participated when my parents made it. [1] Any noun can be verbed. [2] Or is that trout? I can never remember which is which. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 9 16:42:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705F214D7D for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:42:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA16335; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:38:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id BAA02702; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:38:06 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:38:06 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Phil Regnauld Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sitting inside, looking out... Message-ID: <19990810013806.J99680@bitbox.follo.net> References: <19990803164207.A46171@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <30735.933704575@critter.freebsd.dk> <19990804163923.A13708@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <19990805104106.A13504@caamora.com.au> <19990805015147.D1109@marder-1> <19990805115218.14830@ns.int.ftf.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990805115218.14830@ns.int.ftf.net>; from Phil Regnauld on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 11:52:18AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 11:52:18AM +0200, Phil Regnauld wrote: > Mark Ovens writes: > > > > > > so what is an anorak(s), i take it that the (s) means more than > > > one of then ? > > > > They're a weather-proof jacket, usually made from nylon or polyester > > with filling/padding for warmth. > > Not originally -- IIRC, they're weather proof jackets, made > from oiled seal or walrus skin. Typically found in Greenland. The main qualification for an anorak is that it is wind-proof. Normally they're not heat-proofed apart from that, and you wear a large sweater underneath. They're the red jackets you see everybody wear when they're shooting footage from the poles. In english, it is more common to see them called windbreakers or windcheaters. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 9 16:43:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C26215474; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:42:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA03596; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:10:04 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id JAA41243; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:09:44 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:09:44 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Eivind Eklund Cc: cjc26@cornell.edu, Jonathan Lemon , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recipies [was Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history] Message-ID: <19990810090943.N31076@freebie.lemis.com> References: <199908091607.LAA23828@free.pcs> <19990810012303.I99680@bitbox.follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990810012303.I99680@bitbox.follo.net>; from Eivind Eklund on Tue, Aug 10, 1999 at 01:23:03AM +0200 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 10 August 1999 at 1:23:03 +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 06:31:09PM -0400, cjc26@cornell.edu wrote: >> On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Jonathan Lemon wrote: >> >>> Darn it, now you've gone and made me hungry. I definitely fall into >>> the latter category (haveing someone else cook for me), so I'm going >>> to pester my wife to make gravlax this week. :-) >> >> To make *what*?? "Gravlax"?? > > Graved[1] Salmon[2], to do an exact translation. It is an old > norwegian dish involving treating the fish with caustic soda and > spices, and leaving it to itself for a while. That's the export version. > It tastes good with scrambled eggs, and is traditionally served at > christmas breakfast. > > If anybody want an exact recipie, I can look it up - I've not made it > myself, and it is a number of years since I've participated when my > parents made it. > > [1] Any noun can be verbed. Don't verb a noun that is already two verbs: 1. "To bury", from OE 'grafan'. 2. "To scrape a ship's bottom", from French 'grève'. > [2] Or is that trout? I can never remember which is which. Salmon. Are you now going to tell the obligatory story about salmon only four days a week, or is that only Swedish? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 9 17: 9:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from travelers.mail.cornell.edu (TRAVELERS.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.56.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F2E1519C for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:09:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc26@cornell.edu) Received: from travelers.mail.cornell.edu (travelers.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.13]) by travelers.mail.cornell.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA25987; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:07:08 -0400 (EDT) From: cjc26@cornell.edu Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:07:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: cjc26@travelers.mail.cornell.edu To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gravlax In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990809183700.0099f9c0@mail85.pair.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > >To make *what*?? "Gravlax"?? > > Isn't that what astronauts eat before re-entering gravity? Gravitational > laxative, perhaps? :-) G-forces are already a laxative, I would think. -- cliff crawford http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/cjc26/ main(q){6-q&&main(q-1),putchar(67+3*(19%q-q/4));} To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 9 18: 9:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [208.139.222.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D3B15301; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:09:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20127; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:06:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.8.5/8.6.4) id UAA03266; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:06:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19990809200653.60952@right.PCS> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:06:53 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: Eivind Eklund Cc: cjc26@cornell.edu, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recipies [was Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history] References: <199908091607.LAA23828@free.pcs> <19990810012303.I99680@bitbox.follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 In-Reply-To: <19990810012303.I99680@bitbox.follo.net>; from Eivind Eklund on Aug 08, 1999 at 01:23:03AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Aug 08, 1999 at 01:23:03AM +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 06:31:09PM -0400, cjc26@cornell.edu wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Jonathan Lemon wrote: > > > > > Darn it, now you've gone and made me hungry. I definitely fall into > > > the latter category (haveing someone else cook for me), so I'm going > > > to pester my wife to make gravlax this week. :-) > > > > To make *what*?? "Gravlax"?? > > Graved[1] Salmon[2], to do an exact translation. It is an old > norwegian dish involving treating the fish with caustic soda and > spices, and leaving it to itself for a while. It tastes good with > scrambled eggs, and is traditionally served at christmas breakfast. > > If anybody want an exact recipie, I can look it up - I've not made it > myself, and it is a number of years since I've participated when my > parents made it. This is what we use: 1 large whole salmon (deboned) 1 cup kosher salt or sea salt 1 1/2 cup sugar 1 tablespoon coarse peppercorns lots of fresh dill (not chopped) 1 cup aquavit Put the salmon (filet side up) in a non-metallic tray large enough to contain all the juice. Mix everything together and pack 3/4 of it inside the salmon. Close the salmon, and put the rest of the mixture on top. Cover with waxed paper, and weight the whole thing down with something heavy (bricks, cans or whatever is handy). Place in refrigerator for 48 hours, turning salmon over every 12 hours. When done, open the fish and scrape off the mixture, keeping some of the dill. Use more fresh dill for garnish. Slice thinly from end, following the fish's "grain". Serve with honey mustard, on crispbread or equivalent. It makes a nice appetizer, smorgasbroad dish, or can just be used for snacking on. You can leave the aquavit out unless you like the taste. For those of you who don't know what this is, it's a traditional scandinavian liquor that's served ice-cold, and tastes like molten black licorice. (oops, that last drew a glare from my wife). -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 9 18:21:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039B815132; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:20:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA04105; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:48:36 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id KAA42115; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:48:36 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:48:35 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Jonathan Lemon Cc: Eivind Eklund , cjc26@cornell.edu, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recipies [was Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history] Message-ID: <19990810104835.X31076@freebie.lemis.com> References: <199908091607.LAA23828@free.pcs> <19990810012303.I99680@bitbox.follo.net> <19990809200653.60952@right.PCS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990809200653.60952@right.PCS>; from Jonathan Lemon on Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 08:06:53PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, 9 August 1999 at 20:06:53 -0500, Jonathan Lemon wrote: > On Aug 08, 1999 at 01:23:03AM +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 06:31:09PM -0400, cjc26@cornell.edu wrote: >>> On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Jonathan Lemon wrote: >>> >>>> Darn it, now you've gone and made me hungry. I definitely fall into >>>> the latter category (haveing someone else cook for me), so I'm going >>>> to pester my wife to make gravlax this week. :-) >>> >>> To make *what*?? "Gravlax"?? >> >> Graved[1] Salmon[2], to do an exact translation. It is an old >> norwegian dish involving treating the fish with caustic soda and >> spices, and leaving it to itself for a while. It tastes good with >> scrambled eggs, and is traditionally served at christmas breakfast. >> >> If anybody want an exact recipie, I can look it up - I've not made it >> myself, and it is a number of years since I've participated when my >> parents made it. > > This is what we use: > > ... > > You can leave the aquavit out unless you like the taste. For those > of you who don't know what this is, it's a traditional scandinavian > liquor that's served ice-cold, and tastes like molten black licorice. > (oops, that last drew a glare from my wife). I thought that the idea was to drink the aquavit while you were preparing the dish. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 9 20:35:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (mail1.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3EE41533B; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:35:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wghicks@bellsouth.net) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (host-216-78-32-223.ath.bellsouth.net [216.78.32.223]) by mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (3.3.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10066; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (wghicks@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wghicks.bellsouth.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA05443; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:35:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net) Message-Id: <199908100335.XAA05443@bellsouth.net> To: Wes Peters Cc: Terry Lambert , Hal Flynn , unfurl@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net Subject: Re: FreeBSD at LinuxWorld In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Aug 1999 12:49:09 MDT." <37AF22A5.D2CA6028@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 23:35:44 -0400 From: W Gerald Hicks Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It is on mine. I use the wdm login manager from WindowMaker, Actually not from Window Maker... It's got quite a few, erm, 'features' too. The person who derived it from xdm told me he wasn't interested in maintaining it so I don't expect the problems to be fixed soon :-( > and the "daemon looking over the wasteland" screen background. Heh... I always interpreted this as the "daemon facing the sun over the wasteland it has created" > One of these days I'm going to replace the planet earth in the > little login box with a daemon logo also. The next step would > be to make a standard "workstation" configuration button that > installs all of this with one (or a few) knobs in sysinstall. I haven't looked at it in a while but 'Login.App' is a nice and lightweight console utility which also doesn't break xdm function- ality like wdm does. It would make a very nice port if dressed up for FreeBSD, but unfortunately I'm too busy right now... Cheers, Jerry Hicks wghicks@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 9 20:42:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 40623153AB for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:42:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: (qmail 80786 invoked from network); 10 Aug 1999 03:40:00 -0000 Received: from shell-2.enteract.com (dscheidt@207.229.143.41) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 03:40:00 -0000 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:40:00 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: Greg Lehey Cc: Jonathan Lemon , Eivind Eklund , cjc26@cornell.edu, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recipies [was Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history] In-Reply-To: <19990810104835.X31076@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > I thought that the idea was to drink the aquavit while you were > preparing the dish. I thought you drank it before you eat it. David Scheidt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 9 22:28:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE39C14DDE; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:28:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id WAA03279; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omni.xylan.com by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id WAA19251; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:20:44 -0700 Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.39]) by omni.xylan.com (4.1/SMI-4.1 (xylan engr [SPOOL])) id AA14734; Mon, 9 Aug 99 22:25:05 PDT Message-Id: <37AFB7B0.792CE05E@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 23:25:04 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Glass Cc: Eric Hodel , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AMD Frequently Asked Questions References: <37AF3657.4F6CDBDD@softweyr.com> <4.2.0.58.19990809152315.041da7c0@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass wrote: > > I don't know about -current, but 3.2-RELEASE works fine. On my test > system (nominally 600 MHz, though the BIOS reports 616 MHz) a soup-to-nuts > "make world" took 49 minutes. This is with a Quantum Fireball ATAPI drive. Mmm... compu-lust is *definitely* setting in. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Aug 9 23:50:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from zabagek.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (zabagek.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0007314E1A; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:50:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tg@zabagek.ihf.rwth-aachen.de) Received: (from tg@localhost) by zabagek.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA69422; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:49:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tg) To: W Gerald Hicks Cc: Wes Peters , Terry Lambert , Hal Flynn , unfurl@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net Subject: Re: FreeBSD at LinuxWorld References: <199908100335.XAA05443@bellsouth.net> From: Thomas Gellekum In-Reply-To: W Gerald Hicks's message of "Mon, 09 Aug 1999 23:35:44 -0400" Date: 10 Aug 1999 08:49:43 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org W Gerald Hicks writes: > > It is on mine. I use the wdm login manager from WindowMaker, > > Actually not from Window Maker... It's got quite a few, erm, > 'features' too. The person who derived it from xdm told me > he wasn't interested in maintaining it so I don't expect the > problems to be fixed soon :-( There's a patched version at . Maybe the author is open to suggestions. tg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 10 0: 3: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (mail1.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C140A14FC6 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:02:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wghicks@bellsouth.net) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (host-216-78-32-223.ath.bellsouth.net [216.78.32.223]) by mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (3.3.0/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA18005; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (wghicks@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wghicks.bellsouth.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA06081; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:04:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net) Message-Id: <199908100704.DAA06081@bellsouth.net> To: Thomas Gellekum Cc: chat@freebsd.org, wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net Subject: Re: wdm (was: FreeBSD at LinuxWorld) In-reply-to: Your message of "10 Aug 1999 08:49:43 +0200." Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:04:59 -0400 From: W Gerald Hicks Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > There's a patched version at > . Maybe the > author is open to suggestions. Yay! Thanks! Cheers, Jerry Hicks wghicks@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 10 1:25:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3D114CF0; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:25:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01825; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:25:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Eivind Eklund Cc: Phil Regnauld , Greg Lehey , David Scheidt , Nik Clayton , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history References: <19990804092851.R62948@freebie.lemis.com> <19990804182647.33801@ns.int.ftf.net> <19990809155627.B99680@bitbox.follo.net> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 10 Aug 1999 10:25:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: Eivind Eklund's message of "Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:56:27 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eivind Eklund writes: > On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 06:26:47PM +0200, Phil Regnauld wrote: > > freebsd-recipes ? > I'm in favour! Seconded. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 10 1:31:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E7F153A5; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:30:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01850; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:30:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Greg Lehey Cc: Eivind Eklund , cjc26@cornell.edu, Jonathan Lemon , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recipies [was Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history] References: <199908091607.LAA23828@free.pcs> <19990810012303.I99680@bitbox.follo.net> <19990810090943.N31076@freebie.lemis.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 10 Aug 1999 10:30:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: Greg Lehey's message of "Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:09:44 +0930" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey writes: > Salmon. Are you now going to tell the obligatory story about salmon > only four days a week, or is that only Swedish? Must be Swedish, as I've never heard it. Do tell! DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 10 1:32:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD6814D02; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:32:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01860; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:31:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Jonathan Lemon Cc: Eivind Eklund , cjc26@cornell.edu, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, jmb@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recipies [was Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history] References: <199908091607.LAA23828@free.pcs> <19990810012303.I99680@bitbox.follo.net> <19990809200653.60952@right.PCS> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 10 Aug 1999 10:31:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: Jonathan Lemon's message of "Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:06:53 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jonathan Lemon writes: > On Aug 08, 1999 at 01:23:03AM +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 06:31:09PM -0400, cjc26@cornell.edu wrote: > > > On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Jonathan Lemon wrote: > > > > Darn it, now you've gone and made me hungry. I definitely fall into > > > > the latter category (haveing someone else cook for me), so I'm going > > > > to pester my wife to make gravlax this week. :-) > > > To make *what*?? "Gravlax"?? > > [...] > > If anybody want an exact recipie, I can look it up - I've not made it > > myself, and it is a number of years since I've participated when my > > parents made it. > This is what we use: > [...] Damn, now I'm hungry too. JMB, could you please create a freebsd-recipes list? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 10 1:37: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15202153BA; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:36:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA05727; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:06:01 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id SAA43830; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:05:59 +0930 (CST) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:05:59 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Eivind Eklund , cjc26@cornell.edu, Jonathan Lemon , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recipies [was Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history] Message-ID: <19990810180558.F31076@freebie.lemis.com> References: <199908091607.LAA23828@free.pcs> <19990810012303.I99680@bitbox.follo.net> <19990810090943.N31076@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Dag-Erling Smorgrav on Tue, Aug 10, 1999 at 10:30:18AM +0200 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 10 August 1999 at 10:30:18 +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Greg Lehey writes: >> Salmon. Are you now going to tell the obligatory story about salmon >> only four days a week, or is that only Swedish? > > Must be Swedish, as I've never heard it. Do tell! A number of Swedish friends have told me that in work contracts in Stockholm round the (last) turn of the century there were undertakings on the part of the company that the canteen would serve something else than salmon at least one day a week. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 10 2: 9:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86601153B9; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:09:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id LAA22797; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:08:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id LAA98280; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:27:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990810112704.43264@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:27:04 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Eivind Eklund Cc: cjc26@cornell.edu, Jonathan Lemon , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recipies [was Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history] References: <199908091607.LAA23828@free.pcs> <19990810012303.I99680@bitbox.follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990810012303.I99680@bitbox.follo.net>; from Eivind Eklund on Tue, Aug 10, 1999 at 01:23:03AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eivind Eklund writes: > > > > To make *what*?? "Gravlax"?? > > Graved[1] Salmon[2], to do an exact translation. It is an old Never substitute Graved with Gravid, though. -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 10 2:49:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B870114D04 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:49:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23154; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:47:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id LAA05475; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:47:38 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:47:38 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Greg Lehey Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recipies [was Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history] Message-ID: <19990810114738.K99680@bitbox.follo.net> References: <199908091607.LAA23828@free.pcs> <19990810012303.I99680@bitbox.follo.net> <19990810090943.N31076@freebie.lemis.com> <19990810180558.F31076@freebie.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990810180558.F31076@freebie.lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Tue, Aug 10, 1999 at 06:05:59PM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Aug 10, 1999 at 06:05:59PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > A number of Swedish friends have told me that in work contracts in > Stockholm round the (last) turn of the century there were undertakings > on the part of the company that the canteen would serve something else > than salmon at least one day a week. Variations over this theme was common in Norway too. Salmon is still reasonably cheap; something like $5 per kilogram if you pick it up at the right time. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 10 4:53:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1611153D1; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:53:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04507; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:52:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Phil Regnauld Cc: Eivind Eklund , cjc26@cornell.edu, Jonathan Lemon , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recipies [was Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history] References: <199908091607.LAA23828@free.pcs> <19990810012303.I99680@bitbox.follo.net> <19990810112704.43264@ns.int.ftf.net> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 10 Aug 1999 13:52:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: Phil Regnauld's message of "Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:27:04 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Phil Regnauld writes: > Eivind Eklund writes: > > > To make *what*?? "Gravlax"?? > > Graved[1] Salmon[2], to do an exact translation. It is an old > Never substitute Graved with Gravid, though. Why not? Salmon roe isn't too bad, IIRC. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 10 12:40:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263B215176; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:40:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.185]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6029; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:39:45 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02346; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:23:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:23:51 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Eivind Eklund , Phil Regnauld , Greg Lehey , David Scheidt , Nik Clayton , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/calendar/calendars calendar.history Message-ID: <19990810212351.D1982@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <19990804092851.R62948@freebie.lemis.com> <19990804182647.33801@ns.int.ftf.net> <19990809155627.B99680@bitbox.follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Dag-Erling Smorgrav on Tue, Aug 10, 1999 at 10:25:36AM +0200 Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Dag-Erling Smorgrav (des@flood.ping.uio.no) [990810 11:40]: >Eivind Eklund writes: >> On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 06:26:47PM +0200, Phil Regnauld wrote: >> > freebsd-recipes ? >> I'm in favour! > >Seconded. Yeah, sounds like a good idea =) At least it will be used more than freebsd-policy *G* -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Love conquers all. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 10 17: 7:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n65.san.rr.com (dt011n65.san.rr.com [204.210.13.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B56154BB; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:07:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by dt011n65.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA60660; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:07:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:07:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug X-Sender: doug@dt011n65.san.rr.com To: "Matthew D. Fuller" Cc: Bill Fumerola , Poul-Henning Kamp , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/games/fortune/datfiles fortunes In-Reply-To: <19990810172355.E27533@futuresouth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > It's probably worth mentioning that, considering the likelyhood (read: > lack thereof) of any 'new releases' having to be merged into fortune(1), > that it might be worthwhile to go hogwild and do more splitting up of the > datfiles, perhaps even expanding fortune itself to have more 'categories' > of humor to select from (all in favor of a Michelle Pfeiffer catalog say > 'aye'). Put me down for being in favor of anything involving michelle pfeiffer, ESPECIALLY if it involves latex body suits. Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 10 22:14:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D041559B for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:14:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gummibear@we.mediaone.net) Received: from winbox (we-24-130-60-28.we.mediaone.net [24.130.60.28]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA12369 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:13:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990810221107.007978b0@we.mediaone.net> X-Sender: gummibear@we.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:11:07 -0700 To: chat@freebsd.org From: Joey Garcia Subject: Robust: Such a Versatile Word Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Robust! I'm like so sick of that word. It's like so over used. Okay, I've seen people use the word "robust" as describing Folgers coffee, Beer, Wine and now Operating Systems such as FreeBSD and Linux. So I'm like...what the hell does robust truly mean. So I'm looking it up. (www.dictionary.com) First definition: robust \Ro*bust"\, a. [L. robustus oaken, hard, strong, fr. robur strength, a very hard kind of oak; cf. Skr. rabhas violence: cf. F. robuste.] 1. Evincing strength; indicating vigorous health; strong; sinewy; muscular; vigorous; sound; as, a robust body; robust youth; robust health. Okay, now that has nothingn to do with software, unless their refferring it to be strong and stuff. Second definition: robust adj 1: physically strong [ant: frail] 2: marked by richness and fullness of flavor; "a rich ruby port"; "full-bodied wines"; "a robust claret"; "the robust flavor of fresh-brewed coffee" [syn: full-bodied, rich] 3: strong enough to withstand intellectual challenge; "the experiment yielded robust results"; "a robust faith" 4: rough and crude; "a robust tale" Hmmmm...FreeBSD is full of strong flavor? Nah...that can't be it. Okay here's some more definitions: robust Said of a system that has demonstrated an ability to recover gracefully from the whole range of exceptional inputs and situations in a given environment. One step below bulletproof. Carries the additional connotation of elegance in addition to just careful attention to detail. Compare smart, opposite: brittle. Okay, now it seems like we're getting somewhere, I think. FreeBSD recovers well when input is thrown at it? Hmmmm....that doesn't sound right. Makes it sound as though it crashes then recovers well. One step below bulletproof? I guess we're getting closer. FreeBSD is almost bulletproof? I'd like to think that it *is* bulletproof. FreeBSD is smart? Hey that sounds good. :) Opposite of brittle. hmmm...the opposite would be something strong! Something that lasts. Okay, now that sounds much better. Sounds to me that robust is some BS word that they came up with to describe a whole slew of things. Reminds me of that "Corinthian Leather" that Ricardo Mantoban was talking about in those commercials. (You do know they made that up right?) Although, it does sound good. Joey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 10 23:11: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from zabagek.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (zabagek.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B89114F54; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:10:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tg@zabagek.ihf.rwth-aachen.de) Received: (from tg@localhost) by zabagek.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00119; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:10:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tg) To: Warner Losh Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/games/fortune/datfiles fortunes References: <199908101654.JAA01445@freefall.freebsd.org> <199908101812.MAA13220@harmony.village.org> From: Thomas Gellekum In-Reply-To: Warner Losh's message of "Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:12:24 -0600" Date: 11 Aug 1999 08:10:35 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Warner Losh writes: > In message <199908101654.JAA01445@freefall.freebsd.org> Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > : Document the usefulness of Michelle Pfeiffer in OS marketing. > > I really *WANT* a copy of that Catalog... :-) Yup. Definitely beats the nekkid Jordan pics we're using now. tg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 10 23:21: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (lsmls02.we.mediaone.net [24.130.1.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9C614E03; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:20:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gummibear@we.mediaone.net) Received: from winbox (we-24-130-60-28.we.mediaone.net [24.130.60.28]) by lsmls02.we.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA00341; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990810231833.007ab510@we.mediaone.net> X-Sender: gummibear@we.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:18:33 -0700 To: advocacy@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org From: Joey Garcia Subject: Tech News Sites Need BSD Education Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey all! So everyday I go through my routine of reading all the Tech News sites. I have noticed that more and more news sites are getting to be Linux centric. I'm sort of fed up with the Linux-hoopla. All I read is "Linux that, Linux this". I swear, people are going to start to believe that "Linux" is the *only* Open Source operating system project around. They're gonna start to believe that "Linux" is the *only* stable OS around. There is one site (www.osopinion.com) that has promise of being a decent site. It usually has interesting stuff to read, but it's mostly Linux centric because the people that submit their articles are Linux people. I'm hoping that this can be changed. I am not the most articulate person, and I'm not that great at writing Reviews or Tech articles but I can at least try. I'm hoping that you can try too. It will only take a bit of your time to write something for this site mentioning all the merits and stregths in the BSD community and BSD software. I'm thinking of submitting a "Unix History" article emphasizing the birth of BSD and evolution of BSD up to the presetnt open projects such as FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD. Through all it's good times and bad times, mentioning all the great software that came about the BSD project and from the CSRG. After I'm done with that, I'm hoping to write software reviews on FreeBSD machines. Reviews on how great the FreeBSD ports collection is, and how easy it is to install and maintain FreeBSD (not to mention how fast and stable it is). But, I need your help. Anyone willing to help me with this project? Anyone willing to send their reviews? Also, it seems that they advertise for free there. I'm wondering if we can put banners on their site. I'll have to look more into that. Now this isn't about anti-Linux, this is about pro-education. This is about pro-BSD!!! We're not here to bash Linux, but to show the stregths of the BSD operating system. We must educate the people about the BSD alternatives. We must let them know that Linux isn't the only game in town. Now are you with me? Joey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 10 23:33: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from aeolus.conio.net (ci221559-a.grnvle1.sc.home.com [24.4.122.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 40E5115001 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:32:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sam@conio.net) Received: (qmail 24375 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 06:39:18 -0000 Received: from ci221559-b.grnvle1.sc.home.com (HELO thanatos) (24.4.122.130) by ci221559-a.grnvle1.sc.home.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 06:39:18 -0000 From: "Sam Stephenson" To: "Joey Garcia" , , Subject: Re: Tech News Sites Need BSD Education Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:40:04 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990810231833.007ab510@we.mediaone.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > But, I need your help. Anyone willing to help me with this project? > Anyone willing to send their reviews? Also, it seems that they advertise > for free there. I'm wondering if we can put banners on their site. I'll > have to look more into that. > I've always wanted a ``Slashdot for BSD'' site, and it seems that the FreeBSD Advocacy site may be transformed into something like this when/if it reopens. I'd be _more_ than willing to contribute articles, and I know masses of other people would be also. I've submitted one too many stories to Slashdot regarding BSD, only to find them not posted. > Now this isn't about anti-Linux, this is about pro-education. This is > about pro-BSD!!! We're not here to bash Linux, but to show the stregths of > the BSD operating system. We must educate the people about the BSD > alternatives. We must let them know that Linux isn't the only > game in town. > > Now are you with me? > Yep. > Joey --Sam Stephenson sam@conio.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 11 0:13:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D41A14FCB; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:13:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11187; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:11:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Joey Garcia Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tech News Sites Need BSD Education References: <3.0.6.32.19990810231833.007ab510@we.mediaone.net> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 11 Aug 1999 09:11:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: Joey Garcia's message of "Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:18:33 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joey Garcia writes: > So everyday I go through my routine of reading all the Tech News sites. I > have noticed that more and more news sites are getting to be Linux centric. > I'm sort of fed up with the Linux-hoopla. All I read is "Linux that, > Linux this". I swear, people are going to start to believe that "Linux" is > the *only* Open Source operating system project around. They're gonna > start to believe that "Linux" is the *only* stable OS around. "going to"? why the future tense? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 11 1: 4: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5907614E34; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:03:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id KAA17108; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:01:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id KAA00558; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:20:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990811102025.39090@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:20:25 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Joey Garcia Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tech News Sites Need BSD Education References: <3.0.6.32.19990810231833.007ab510@we.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990810231833.007ab510@we.mediaone.net>; from Joey Garcia on Tue, Aug 10, 1999 at 11:18:33PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joey Garcia writes: > > I'm thinking of submitting a "Unix History" article emphasizing the birth > of BSD and evolution of BSD up to the presetnt open projects such as > FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD. Through all it's good times and bad times, > mentioning all the great software that came about the BSD project and from > the CSRG. Kirk McKusick made an excellent (and entertaining as hell) presentation at the last USENIX conf. Someone here already asked if there has been a transcript of this -- anyone ? This is a very good way to start. > But, I need your help. Anyone willing to help me with this project? > Anyone willing to send their reviews? Also, it seems that they advertise > for free there. I'm wondering if we can put banners on their site. I'll > have to look more into that. See what the Daemonnews.org (C. Coleman) people have done already -- maybe you can work out something with them. -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 11 1: 4:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBE015444; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:04:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id KAA17178; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:02:25 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id KAA00573; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:21:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990811102108.43981@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:21:08 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Sam Stephenson Cc: Joey Garcia , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tech News Sites Need BSD Education References: <3.0.6.32.19990810231833.007ab510@we.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Sam Stephenson on Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 02:40:04AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sam Stephenson writes: > > > I've always wanted a ``Slashdot for BSD'' site, and it seems that the Then call it RotSlash :-) / - \ | PS: isn't it typical BSD ? -- Divizion by Zero error -- multiplying by zero to recover. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 11 1:48:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (mail.palmerharvey.co.uk [62.172.109.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E60D14F83; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:48:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Dom.Mitchell@palmerharvey.co.uk) Received: from ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk (unverified) by mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:44:42 +0100 Received: from voodoo.pandhm.co.uk (VOODOO [10.100.35.12]) by ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id Q4XVHVV1; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:44:36 +0100 Received: from dom by voodoo.pandhm.co.uk with local (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11EU0E-0000IA-00; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:44:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:44:54 +0100 To: Phil Regnauld Cc: Joey Garcia , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tech News Sites Need BSD Education Message-Id: <19990811094453.A468@voodoo.pandhm.co.uk> References: <3.0.6.32.19990810231833.007ab510@we.mediaone.net> <19990811102025.39090@ns.int.ftf.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19990811102025.39090@ns.int.ftf.net>; from Phil Regnauld on Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 10:20:25AM +0200 From: Dominic Mitchell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 10:20:25AM +0200, Phil Regnauld wrote: > Kirk McKusick made an excellent (and entertaining as hell) presentation > at the last USENIX conf. Someone here already asked if there has been > a transcript of this -- anyone ? This is a very good way to start. You may want to look at his chapter of the Open Sources book. http://www.ora.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html -- Dom Mitchell -- Palmer & Harvey McLane -- Unix Systems Administrator "Finally, when replying to messages only quote the parts of the message your will be discussing or that are relevant. Quoting whole messages and adding two lines at the top is not good etiquette." -- Elias Levy -- ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ********************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 11 5:23:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE11154B4 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 05:23:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (ppp18345.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.130.25]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01943; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA34642; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:25:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:25:40 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Joey Garcia Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Robust: Such a Versatile Word Message-ID: <19990811082540.A34584@mad> References: <3.0.6.32.19990810221107.007978b0@we.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990810221107.007978b0@we.mediaone.net>; from Joey Garcia on Tue, Aug 10, 1999 at 10:11:07PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Aug 10, 1999 at 10:11:07PM -0700, Joey Garcia wrote: [...] > Okay, now it seems like we're getting somewhere, I think. FreeBSD recovers > well when input is thrown at it? Hmmmm....that doesn't sound right. Makes > it sound as though it crashes then recovers well. [...] > Although, it does sound good. That was a very robust message you just posted! -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 11 6:27:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F611512B; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:27:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vnode.vmunix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01494; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:23:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: Phil Regnauld Cc: Joey Garcia , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tech News Sites Need BSD Education In-Reply-To: <19990811102025.39090@ns.int.ftf.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Phil Regnauld wrote: > Joey Garcia writes: > > > > I'm thinking of submitting a "Unix History" article emphasizing the birth > > of BSD and evolution of BSD up to the presetnt open projects such as > > FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and NetBSD. Through all it's good times and bad times, > > mentioning all the great software that came about the BSD project and from > > the CSRG. > > Kirk McKusick made an excellent (and entertaining as hell) presentation > at the last USENIX conf. Someone here already asked if there has been > a transcript of this -- anyone ? This is a very good way to start. Pat Lynch is writing up an article on Kirks talk for Daemon News. I'll have to nudge him to get it finished. > > > But, I need your help. Anyone willing to help me with this project? > > Anyone willing to send their reviews? Also, it seems that they advertise > > for free there. I'm wondering if we can put banners on their site. I'll > > have to look more into that. > > See what the Daemonnews.org (C. Coleman) people have done already -- maybe you can work > out something with them. > I have been trying to put together a daily.daemonnews.org site for some time. I just need to get everything organized... Chris Coleman Daemon News Editor in Chief http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 11 11:42:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEDDB155A8 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:42:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05264; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:41:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:41:53 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Bill Fumerola Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4 Swap partitions limit (was Re: RE: Little question (offtopic)) Message-ID: <19990811134152.D2750@futuresouth.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Bill Fumerola on Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 12:51:10PM -0400 X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Moved to -chat and CC's trimmed , this isn't -security fodder by a long shot] On Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 12:51:10PM -0400, a little birdie told me that Bill Fumerola remarked > On 11 Aug 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > The only cases in which I've ever actually used swap on a box with > > 128 MB RAM or more are: > > - Opening a 120 meg mailfile with pine > - Opening that same mail file in pine and trying '20000G ; dG' > > Both of the above operations destoryed 128M of RAM + 256M swapfile. - Running 35+ xterms with 25+ Netscrape windows - Adding 2 MySQL daemons and misc other long-running mem-use-varying processes - Mutt/Pine/Vi'ing several 400+ meg files - Running Perl scripts that touch multiple hundreds of megs of RAM - Then entering the second hour of uptime ;) (Running -CURRENT. Avg uptime: 2 weeks (interrupted by make worlds)) -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Unix Systems Administrator | fullermd@futuresouth.com Specializing in FreeBSD | http://www.over-yonder.net/ FutureSouth Communications | ISPHelp ISP Consulting "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 11 14:18:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2807015636 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:18:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16324; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:18:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:18:09 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Tim Vanderhoek Cc: Joey Garcia , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Robust: Such a Versatile Word Message-ID: <19990811161809.I2750@futuresouth.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19990810221107.007978b0@we.mediaone.net> <19990811082540.A34584@mad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <19990811082540.A34584@mad>; from Tim Vanderhoek on Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 08:25:40AM -0400 X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 08:25:40AM -0400, a little birdie told me that Tim Vanderhoek remarked > On Tue, Aug 10, 1999 at 10:11:07PM -0700, Joey Garcia wrote: > [...] > > Okay, now it seems like we're getting somewhere, I think. FreeBSD recovers > > well when input is thrown at it? Hmmmm....that doesn't sound right. Makes > > it sound as though it crashes then recovers well. > [...] > > Although, it does sound good. > > That was a very robust message you just posted! Reading threads like this always gives me a burst of very robust laughter... -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Unix Systems Administrator | fullermd@futuresouth.com Specializing in FreeBSD | http://www.over-yonder.net/ FutureSouth Communications | ISPHelp ISP Consulting "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 11 15:13:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EDB015628; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:10:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA26483; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:05:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03862; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:58:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:58:50 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Sam Stephenson Cc: Joey Garcia , advocacy@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tech News Sites Need BSD Education Message-ID: <19990811085850.A3620@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <3.0.6.32.19990810231833.007ab510@we.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Sam Stephenson on Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 02:40:04AM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 02:40:04AM -0400, Sam Stephenson wrote: > I've always wanted a ``Slashdot for BSD'' site, http://www.freebsdrocks.com/ N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 11 15:17:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E35156A9 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:17:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr02.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA27642; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:17:31 -0700 Received: from usr02.primenet.com(206.165.6.202) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdEh1kEa; Wed Aug 11 15:17:21 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr02.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA25342; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:17:18 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908112217.PAA25342@usr02.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Robust: Such a Versatile Word To: gummibear@we.mediaone.net (Joey Garcia) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:17:18 +0000 (GMT) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990810221107.007978b0@we.mediaone.net> from "Joey Garcia" at Aug 10, 99 10:11:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Robust! I'm like so sick of that word. It's like so over used. [ ... ] > robust \Ro*bust"\, a. [L. robustus oaken, hard, strong, fr. robur strength, > a very hard kind of oak; cf. Skr. rabhas violence: cf. F. robuste.] 1. > Evincing strength; indicating vigorous health; strong; sinewy; muscular; > vigorous; sound; as, a robust body; robust youth; robust health. ----- [ ... ] > robust adj 1: physically strong [ant: frail] 2: marked by richness and ------------ > fullness of flavor; "a rich ruby port"; "full-bodied wines"; "a robust > claret"; "the robust flavor of fresh-brewed coffee" [syn: full-bodied, > rich] 3: strong enough to withstand intellectual challenge; "the experiment ------------------------------------------------- > yielded robust results"; "a robust faith" 4: rough and crude; "a robust tale" > Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Aug 11 19:42:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu (exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B4C14DFA for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:42:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu (ppp25.pm3c.wport.com [206.129.99.221]) by exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id QS0G7NL7; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:39:32 -0700 Message-ID: <37B23407.98AFACF@seattleu.edu> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:40:07 -0700 From: Eric Hodel Organization: Dis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joey Garcia Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Robust: Such a Versatile Word References: <3.0.6.32.19990810221107.007978b0@we.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joey Garcia wrote: > 4: rough and crude; "a robust tale" Microsoft Windows NT, a robust Network Operating System -- Eric Hodel hodeleri@seattleu.edu "They cook your gonies" -Terry Lambert's uncle on why he doesn't have a microwave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 12 1:29:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from student-mailhub.dcu.ie (ns.dcu.ie [136.206.1.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A579714E67 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:29:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from singer@redbrick.dcu.ie) Received: from mother.redbrick.dcu.ie (postfix@Mother.RedBrick.DCU.IE [136.206.15.2]) by student-mailhub.dcu.ie (8.9.3/8.9.3/893-FD) with ESMTP id JAA18070 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:29:23 +0100 (BST) Received: by mother.redbrick.dcu.ie (Postfix, from userid 3245) id 6A4C443819; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:29:23 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:29:23 +0100 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Civ ctp for linux? Message-ID: <19990812092923.A8486@mother.redbrick.dcu.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i From: singer@redbrick.dcu.ie (Brian Scanlan) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Not sure if this is the correct mailing list... Anybody know if the Linux version of Civ CTP works on FreeBSD with binary emulation? Also wondering would OpenGL librarys work. A quick READ THIS F***ING URL will do ;) Thanks, Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 12 1:46:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948C214CA8 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:46:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22596; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:14:45 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990812181445:611=_"; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" In-Reply-To: <19990812092923.A8486@mother.redbrick.dcu.ie> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:14:45 +0930 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: (Brian Scanlan) Subject: RE: Civ ctp for linux? Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990812181445:611=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 12-Aug-99 Brian Scanlan wrote: > Also wondering would OpenGL librarys work. > A quick READ THIS F***ING URL will do ;) Well there is a linux mesa port in the emulators section :) The obvious caveat being speed, but if you have a Riva TNT then GLX should work, and if you have a 3dfx card, Glide works under emulation (I've run Q1 & 2) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990812181445:611=_ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBN7KJfVbYW/HEoF9pAQGa5wQAh5BLUfN9lP2oj8yRcAp2sv1hA/rLlF6j mYoTfCOjecgNaflAKcuPrAjXXLby0S7p/qWZjJGjq5X2y95wdHqcoSfkd92ikH11 bAhXw7j8AfEawb8XK/3hj0f+5/Z3Pfj9zmMRgWmaL62v/bu1Vb5V2ky6sc2N75yR iw9nbdN9DNY= =5EaP -----END PGP MESSAGE----- --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990812181445:611=_-- End of MIME message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 12 7:10:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from web1003.mail.yahoo.com (web1003.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 50F79157AB for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:10:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bvmcg@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19990812140814.25346.rocketmail@web1003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [206.71.110.97] by web1003.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:08:14 PDT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:08:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian McGroarty Reply-To: brian@pobox.com Subject: The difference... To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ...between an NT and a *nix admin: Admin: (Global page) Server's going down in five minutes. This means no Visual C++ or Outlook for 20 +. Either loaded means a likely network access and a probable system hang. This hits another dozen programmers and and about 30 artists. Cost: About 14 man hours+ plus gripe time and loss of flow. Me: (on phone) Ray? What's the deal here? We've got a deadline today. This is the second time the system's going down today and I ain't even had my coffee yet. Admin: Yeah, but last time NT rebooted I forgot to turn the switch box and it didn't detect my mouse. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 12 9:12:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from topsecret.net (gill.apk.net [207.54.148.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DA3E215797 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:12:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gill@topsecret.net) Received: from stumpy by topsecret.net with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP5.R) for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:12:15 -0400 From: "James Gill" To: Subject: FW: Is Linux For Real? Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:11:48 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Return-Path: gill@topsecret.net Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am not sure what to think of this. $995? I'm in the wrong business. -----Original Message----- Subject: Is Linux For Real? Dear Planet IT Member: Is Linux for real? You've heard the hype. And sure, Linux is a great toy for hackers. But should you consider this open-source operating system for your commercial applications? Are the promised advantages of Linux achievable? And what about the drawbacks - how serious are they? A new report will help you answer these and other vital questions about Linux. 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So if Linux is on your organization's agenda, pay a visit now to: http://www.marketsurvey.mfi.com/linux Sincerely, Peter Krass Editor Planet IT The Community for IT Professionals http://www.PlanetIT.com pkrass@cmp.com ========================================================= To be removed from this Planet IT promotions mailing list, reply to cmpnet-announcements@lists.cmpnet.com with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line. ~~~~~~~~~ This delivery powered by Exactis.com: http://www.exactis.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 12 10:15:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from beelzebubba.sysabend.org (beelzebubba.sysabend.org [209.201.74.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E3D157B6 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:15:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DE0B41C8; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4754B9BC8; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:15:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: James Gill Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: Is Linux For Real? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, James Gill wrote: : :I am not sure what to think of this. $995? I'm in the wrong :business. : :-----Original Message----- :Subject: Is Linux For Real? : :Dear Planet IT Member: : :Is Linux for real? Oh look, people with nothing to do drafting reports on what they know nothing about. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 1: 6:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C714015776 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:06:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@ifi.uio.no) Received: from hrotti.ifi.uio.no (2602@hrotti.ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.15]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id KAA14256 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:07:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from des@localhost) by hrotti.ifi.uio.no ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:07:04 +0200 (MET DST) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: [rec.humor.funny] Stallman, Thorvalds, and Knuth From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 13 Aug 1999 10:07:03 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Newsgroups: rec.humor.funny Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs From: ermel@gmx.de (Erik Meltzer) Subject: Stallman, Thorvalds, and Knuth Keywords: chuckle, computers, heard it Followup-To: rec.humor.d Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:30:01 PDT Richard M. Stallman, Linus Thorvalds, and Donald E. Knuth engage in a discussion on whose impact on the computerized world was the greatest. Stallman: "God told me I have programmed the best editor in the world!" Thorvalds: "Well, God told *me* that I have programmed the best operating system in the world!" Knuth: "Wait, wait - I never said that." -- Selected by Jim Griffith. MAIL your joke to funny@netfunny.com. Attribute the joke's source if at all possible. A Daemon will auto-reply. Do you know about rec.humor.funny.reruns? It has all the best jokes from the archives of this group. RHF does only new material. See also at http://www.netfunny.com/rhf This joke's link: http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/99/Aug/knuth.html ------- End of forwarded message ------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 1:46:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C0314D82 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:46:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jackv@earthling.net) Received: from ELIOT ([24.5.214.207]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990813084504.QGFE8807.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@ELIOT> for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:45:04 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01bee568$3f7982c0$cfd60518@ELIOT> From: "jack velte" To: Subject: redhat Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 04:36:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2918.2701 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org has a market cap of 4B. -jack To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 1:57:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cs.Technion.AC.IL (csa.cs.technion.ac.il [132.68.32.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D716F14E08; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:57:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nadav@cs.technion.ac.il) Received: from csd.cs.technion.ac.il (csd.cs.technion.ac.il [132.68.32.8]) by cs.Technion.AC.IL (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA27488; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:58:48 +0300 (IDT) Received: from localhost (nadav@localhost) by csd.cs.technion.ac.il (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA04432; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:58:45 +0300 (IDT) X-Authentication-Warning: csd.cs.technion.ac.il: nadav owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:58:45 +0300 (IDT) From: Nadav Eiron X-Sender: nadav@csd To: Mike Meyer Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On freezes in 3.2-Stable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Mike Meyer wrote: > On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, W Gerald Hicks wrote: > :->When I kept up with the numbers for these things in a former > :->life working for a disk manufacturer, I was always astounded > :->at how much current the drives pulled during their power-on > :->sequence. After startup, current begins to taper off rapidly. > > This stopped being relevant a long time ago, but... Moved to -chat then. > > DEC MIPS-based workstations worked around this problem by having > tweaked PROMs on their SCSI drives, with a SPIN-UP-ON-POWERON bit that > defaulted to off. Ultrix would send the drives the SCSI command to > spin them up - *after* everything else in the system was powered > on. This meant they could use a cheaper power supply, as no supported > configuration required it to deal with more than one drive spinning up > at a time. DEC used this scheme on _all_ their machines. This makes a lot of sense, at least to me, when you have many disks. I think most Alpha's do it to this day. VAXen used to do that too, and at least under VMS (never admin'ed anything else on a VAX), the console would spin up the boot device, and the mount commands would spin up the rest of the disks. I think many extenral RAID cases also power up disks sequentially to prevent overloading the power supply (DEC's StorageWorks do). > > Dealing with this was the *least* of the problems in trying to use DEC > SCSI drives on other platforms. But they could be made to work. They had a jumper - no big deal. BTW, many other disks (at least my IBM DDRS's at home) have such a jumper, only it defaults to on. > > > > > Nadav To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 2:18:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBF114E08; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:18:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20936; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:16:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Nick Sayer Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Whither makefiles for src/crypto/telnet/* ? References: <199908121831.LAA55284@medusa.kfu.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 13 Aug 1999 11:16:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: Nick Sayer's message of "Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:31:27 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [from -hackers] Nick Sayer writes: > It was called SRA telnet. It was > vulnerable to monkey-in-the-middle [...] Suzanne Vega fan? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 2:37:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from student-mailhub.dcu.ie (ns.dcu.ie [136.206.1.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B5C14D6B for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:37:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pooka@redbrick.dcu.ie) Received: from mother.redbrick.dcu.ie (postfix@Mother.RedBrick.DCU.IE [136.206.15.2]) by student-mailhub.dcu.ie (8.9.3/8.9.3/893-FD) with ESMTP id KAA00415; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:36:24 +0100 (BST) Received: by mother.redbrick.dcu.ie (Postfix, from userid 2033) id BE89043880; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:36:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:36:24 +0100 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Whither makefiles for src/crypto/telnet/* ? Message-ID: <19990813103624.A14800@mother.redbrick.dcu.ie> References: <199908121831.LAA55284@medusa.kfu.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from Dag-Erling Smorgrav on Fri, Aug 13, 1999 at 11:16:06AM +0200 Organization: My Own Private Hideyhole, Inc. From: pooka@redbrick.dcu.ie (Tiny Non Cats) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 13, 1999 at 11:16:06AM +0200 Dag-Erling Smorgrav said: > > It was called SRA telnet. It was > > vulnerable to monkey-in-the-middle [...] > Suzanne Vega fan? > Are you suggesting that there are people who aren't Suzanne Vega fans? ;o) Cian -- What think ye of Christ? Whose son is he? Will you, like Peter, boldly say: "Who?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 3:38:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59C314E77 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:38:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21062; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:38:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: pooka@redbrick.dcu.ie (Tiny Non Cats) Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Whither makefiles for src/crypto/telnet/* ? References: <199908121831.LAA55284@medusa.kfu.com> <19990813103624.A14800@mother.redbrick.dcu.ie> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 13 Aug 1999 12:38:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: pooka@redbrick.dcu.ie's message of "Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:36:24 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org pooka@redbrick.dcu.ie (Tiny Non Cats) writes: > On Fri, Aug 13, 1999 at 11:16:06AM +0200 Dag-Erling Smorgrav said: > > > It was called SRA telnet. It was > > > vulnerable to monkey-in-the-middle [...] > > Suzanne Vega fan? > Are you suggesting that there are people who aren't Suzanne Vega fans? ;o) Unfortunately, yes... DES (towie - if you gotta ask, you ain't one of them) -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 4:14:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.atl.bellsouth.net (mail2.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3101714D42 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 04:14:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wghicks@bellsouth.net) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (host-216-78-36-202.ath.bellsouth.net [216.78.36.202]) by mail2.atl.bellsouth.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19723; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (wghicks@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wghicks.bellsouth.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA01544; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:17:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net) Message-Id: <199908131117.HAA01544@bellsouth.net> To: "jack velte" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: redhat In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Aug 1999 04:36:29 EDT." <000f01bee568$3f7982c0$cfd60518@ELIOT> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:17:56 -0400 From: W Gerald Hicks Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Has a market cap of 4B Is a kiss of death To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 5:15:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from beelzebubba.sysabend.org (beelzebubba.sysabend.org [209.201.74.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E0B14D42 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 05:15:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 303BE41E7; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 216AB9BD9; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:13:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Glenn Chisholm Cc: "Louis A. Mamakos" , Evren Yurtesen , Bill Fumerola , Michael Mannsberger , chat@FREEBSD.org Subject: Re: (2) hey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Redirected to -chat. On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Glenn Chisholm wrote: :In that case you will know a hell of a lot more than me and I honestly do :not want to contradict you. I was 11 when 952 was written and I do not :claim to know the reasons or motivations behind the decisions that :resulted in that draft. However the Internet is a great deal different, :there are a lot more people with a great deal less knowledge and :understanding maintaining things like DNS servers etc. I feel that the :live and let live attitude that you expouse worked when people like :yourself, Jon Pollard etc were the people controling things. That is just :no longer the case. So everyone is supposed to lower their standards to accomodate idiots? I don't think so. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 5:52:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net (D5778.DIALUP.CORNELL.EDU [128.253.49.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7B414BCC for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 05:52:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc26@cornell.edu) Received: from localhost (cjc26@localhost) by tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA02027; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 04:54:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc26@cornell.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net: cjc26 owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 04:54:31 -0400 (EDT) From: a disembodied voice emerging from the chaos of reality X-Sender: cjc26@tankgrrl To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [rec.humor.funny] Stallman, Thorvalds, and Knuth In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 13 Aug 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: | Stallman: "God told me I have programmed the best editor in | the world!" I thought it was Bill Joy who wrote vi. -- cliff crawford http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/cjc26/ -><- main(q){6-q&&main(q+1),putchar(67+3*(19%q-q/4));} To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 8:16:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29FE814E63 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:16:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19434; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:16:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990813091230.00c39100@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:16:21 -0600 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: [rec.humor.funny] Stallman, Thorvalds, and Knuth In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:07 AM 8/13/99 +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: >Richard M. Stallman, Linus Thorvalds, and Donald E. Knuth >engage in a discussion on whose impact on the computerized >world was the greatest. > >Stallman: "God told me I have programmed the best editor in > the world!" > >Thorvalds: "Well, God told *me* that I have programmed the > best operating system in the world!" > >Knuth: "Wait, wait - I never said that." Actually, Knuth is a regular church-going Lutheran; it's Stallman who thinks he's God. (And also God's gift to females, alas. Has anyone besides me had to help a woman recover from her utter revulsion at his blunt, clumsy, obnoxious passes?) --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 9: 0:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from beelzebubba.sysabend.org (beelzebubba.sysabend.org [209.201.74.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36989151DE for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:00:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2841341C8; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D1069BD1; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:00:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Brett Glass Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [rec.humor.funny] Stallman, Thorvalds, and Knuth In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19990813091230.00c39100@localhost> Message-ID: X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Brett Glass wrote: :Actually, Knuth is a regular church-going Lutheran; it's Stallman :who thinks he's God. (And also God's gift to females, alas. Has :anyone besides me had to help a woman recover from her utter revulsion :at his blunt, clumsy, obnoxious passes?) I've seen several women report that Stallman fancies himself a charmer, despite his lack of style or taste, his odious personal habits, and his inability to come off as anything other than the ubergeek. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 10:18:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from abalaea.ircache.net (abalaea.scd.ucar.edu [128.117.28.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EFB15059 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:18:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glenn@abalaea.ircache.net) Received: from localhost (glenn@localhost) by abalaea.ircache.net (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA60672; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:17:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glenn@abalaea.ircache.net) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:17:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Glenn Chisholm To: Jamie Bowden Cc: "Louis A. Mamakos" , Evren Yurtesen , Bill Fumerola , Michael Mannsberger , chat@FREEBSD.org Subject: Re: (2) hey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > So everyone is supposed to lower their standards to accomodate idiots? I > don't think so. > I think that you missed my point. My point was that when the Internet is populated with a group of people who were involved with the standards maintenance of high standards is easy. They are extreamly unlikely to violate their own standards. However once there are a number of people who have little or no idea what the actual standards are some degree of enforcement will be required. glenn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 11:28:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from beelzebubba.sysabend.org (beelzebubba.sysabend.org [209.201.74.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC641506C for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:27:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E51A41D5; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F5399BD1; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:27:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Glenn Chisholm Cc: chat@FREEBSD.org Subject: Re: (2) hey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Glenn Chisholm wrote: :> So everyone is supposed to lower their standards to accomodate idiots? I :> don't think so. :> : :I think that you missed my point. My point was that when the Internet is :populated with a group of people who were involved with the standards :maintenance of high standards is easy. They are extreamly unlikely to :violate their own standards. However once there are a number of people who :have little or no idea what the actual standards are some degree of :enforcement will be required. The appropriate response is to ignore them. The internet sees non-compliance as damage, and routes around it, or ignores it. I'm not sure where enforcement came into this. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 11:36:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from abalaea.ircache.net (abalaea.scd.ucar.edu [128.117.28.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE145151B0 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:36:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glenn@abalaea.ircache.net) Received: from localhost (glenn@localhost) by abalaea.ircache.net (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA60946; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:34:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glenn@abalaea.ircache.net) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:34:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Glenn Chisholm To: Jamie Bowden Cc: chat@FREEBSD.org Subject: Re: (2) hey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The appropriate response is to ignore them. The internet sees > non-compliance as damage, and routes around it, or ignores it. I'm not > sure where enforcement came into this. > Ignoring them is a form of enforcement. Just as you filter certain networks for the BGP tables, refuse to resolve incorrectly constructed domain names etc. By making it impossible for people to connect to their site you force them to either comply or die. In other cases the code is written so they can not do overly dumb things another form of enforcement. glenn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 11:39:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EA114F2B for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:39:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26007; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:39:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAYva4UY; Fri Aug 13 11:39:15 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21529; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:39:13 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199908131839.LAA21529@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: (2) hey To: glenn@ircache.net (Glenn Chisholm) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:39:12 +0000 (GMT) Cc: ragnar@sysabend.org, louie@TransSys.COM, yurtesen@ispro.net.tr, billf@jade.chc-chimes.com, mannsber@starmedia.net, chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Glenn Chisholm" at Aug 13, 99 11:17:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > So everyone is supposed to lower their standards to accomodate idiots? I > > don't think so. > > I think that you missed my point. My point was that when the Internet is > populated with a group of people who were involved with the standards > maintenance of high standards is easy. They are extreamly unlikely to > violate their own standards. However once there are a number of people who > have little or no idea what the actual standards are some degree of > enforcement will be required. This discussion is irrelevant. The DNS and iDNS working groups of the IETF have already discussed the use of binary characters in domain names. RFC 1036 has been clarified. The reason for the restricted alphabet is legacy applications; the DNS itself is capable of handling binary data. The only remaining issue is one of character set unification; the general consensus is 16 bit Unicode, with an 0xFFFE prefix to indicate Unicode 16 bit tuples will follow (network byte order); the sole dissentor is Matsataka Ohta, which is expected, since the Japanese hate Unicode for not having started with JIS 208 so that they could use the ordinal value of their characters for collation (a natural result of Chinese dictionary order being able to classify Japanese characters, but Japanese order being unable to classify Chinese characters). Forget the fact that there is no longer a valid central hosts.txt file, or that it is named /etc/hosts on most machines. It seems natural (to me) that /etc/hosts will become a Unicode content file, to match the iDNS. For legacy applications that specify a restricted alphabet (e.g. RFC 822 and RFC 821 -- SMTP based email), see the draft on UTF-5, which can be applied at the resolver level for legacy applications. If you wish to participate in the discussion, you need to subscribe to namedroppers (the DNS working group mailing list) or the iDNS working group mailing list (idns-list@idns.org). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 14:27:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.tesserae.com (freebsd.tesserae.com [209.19.206.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2A015003; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:27:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pwiley@freebsd.tesserae.com) Received: by freebsd.tesserae.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 936764F4; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebsd.tesserae.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804B61FE; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:58:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Preston S. Wiley II" To: Sam Stephenson Cc: Joey Garcia , advocacy@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tech News Sites Need BSD Education In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've got a new prototype advococy site up. It now uses a mysql database to store the data and you can add news with an admin script. All of the pages are CGI Perl scripts, except some of the users groups pages because I haven't put all of the groups in the database yet. Check it out and tell me what you think. http://freebsd.tesserae.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Preston Wiley Cadabra, Inc. Systems Administrator 1820 Gateway Drive, Suite 300 pwiley@cadabra.com San Mateo, CA 94404 650/403-2227 http://www.cadabra.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Sam Stephenson wrote: > > But, I need your help. Anyone willing to help me with this project? > > Anyone willing to send their reviews? Also, it seems that they advertise > > for free there. I'm wondering if we can put banners on their site. I'll > > have to look more into that. > > > I've always wanted a ``Slashdot for BSD'' site, and it seems that the > FreeBSD Advocacy site may be transformed into something like this when/if it > reopens. I'd be _more_ than willing to contribute articles, and I know > masses of other people would be also. I've submitted one too many stories > to Slashdot regarding BSD, only to find them not posted. > > > Now this isn't about anti-Linux, this is about pro-education. This is > > about pro-BSD!!! We're not here to bash Linux, but to show the stregths of > > the BSD operating system. We must educate the people about the BSD > > alternatives. We must let them know that Linux isn't the only > > game in town. > > > > Now are you with me? > > > Yep. > > > Joey > > --Sam Stephenson > sam@conio.net > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 16:19:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2EFF14F51 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:19:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt4-208-166-127-137.dialup.HiWAAY.net [208.166.127.137]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA11305; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:16:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09931; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:51:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <199908132251.RAA09931@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: mwm@phone.net (Mike Meyer), freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: On freezes in 3.2-Stable In-reply-to: Message from "Kenneth D. Merry" of "Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:00:55 MDT." <199908131700.LAA61444@panzer.kdm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:51:42 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Kenneth D. Merry" writes: > Believe it or not, we've got something similar to the Ultrix spin-up stuff. > > FreeBSD/CAM will spin up drives on boot that are not already spinning. > Generally, this happens in the probe stage, at the serial number inquiry > stage. Most disks will not return a serial number without being spun up. > Some disks, most notably high end IBM disks, will return their serial > number without being spun up. So the boot process goes on in that case, > and the drives are spun up when the da driver sends its read capacity > command. I didn't know that. Cool. In my case IBM drives are spinning up on the adapter's initial probe. So they are already spinning by the time CAM sees them. Have spent much more time reading Seagate installation manuals than the IBM manuals, but I think both drives offer 3 different ways to handle power up. 1) spin on power up. 2) wait 10 seconds times your SCSI ID. Or 3) don't spin up until told to. I usually opt for #3. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 16:51:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailout1.nyroc.rr.com (mailout1-0.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B29D14FA9 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:51:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reichman@twcny.rr.com) Received: from mail1.twcny.rr.com ([24.92.226.74]) by mailout1.nyroc.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:48:46 -0400 Received: from twcny.rr.com ([24.95.188.113]) by mail1.twcny.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-53939U80000L80000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:48:45 -0400 Message-ID: <37B4B106.5B1B567D@twcny.rr.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:57:58 -0400 From: "Mark S. Reichman" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: BSDs fragmented? Then whats this called? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was reading some articles emphasizing that BSD is fragmented. (Free, Net, Open)... Would these authors please take a look at all the possible Linux fragments one can get nowadays. Source.. http://www.linux.com/jumpstart/ Caldera OpenLinux Debian GNU/Linux Linux Mandrake LinuxPPC MkLinux Red Hat Linux Slackware Linux Stampede Linux S.u.S.E. Linux TurboLinux UltraPenguin Yellow Dog Linux To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 17: 2:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.inreach.com (mail2.inreach.com [209.142.0.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A4514EB8 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:02:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@pobox.com) Received: from relay (209-209-19-236.oak.inreach.net [209.209.19.236]) by smtp.inreach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA01272; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002201bee5e9$29993640$ec13d1d1@relay> From: "Donald Burr" To: "Mark S. Reichman" Cc: References: <37B4B106.5B1B567D@twcny.rr.com> Subject: Re: BSDs fragmented? Then whats this called? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:08:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We mustn't forget... Corel Linux Storm Linux LinuxPro S/Linux WholeLinux Donald Burr web: http://more.at/dburr/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark S. Reichman To: Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 4:57 PM Subject: BSDs fragmented? Then whats this called? > I was reading some articles emphasizing that BSD is fragmented. > (Free, Net, Open)... Would these authors please take a > look at all the possible Linux fragments one can get > nowadays. Source.. http://www.linux.com/jumpstart/ > > Caldera OpenLinux > Debian GNU/Linux > Linux Mandrake > LinuxPPC > MkLinux > Red Hat Linux > Slackware Linux > Stampede Linux > S.u.S.E. Linux > TurboLinux > UltraPenguin > Yellow Dog Linux > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 17: 9:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA6C15085 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:08:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24841; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:07:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990813180524.04845530@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:06:41 -0600 To: "Mark S. Reichman" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: BSDs fragmented? Then whats this called? In-Reply-To: <37B4B106.5B1B567D@twcny.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric Raymond is the source of the nonsense about the BSDs being "fragmented." The "Haloween document" (which Raymond claims was leaked from Microsoft, but who knows if it was or not?) makes this claim, and the Linuxoids have continued to trumpet it. --Brett Glass At 07:57 PM 8/13/99 -0400, Mark S. Reichman wrote: >I was reading some articles emphasizing that BSD is fragmented. >(Free, Net, Open)... Would these authors please take a >look at all the possible Linux fragments one can get >nowadays. Source.. http://www.linux.com/jumpstart/ > > Caldera OpenLinux > Debian GNU/Linux > Linux Mandrake > LinuxPPC > MkLinux > Red Hat Linux > Slackware Linux > Stampede Linux > S.u.S.E. Linux > TurboLinux > UltraPenguin > Yellow Dog Linux > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 17:10:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shattered.disturbed.net (shattered.disturbed.net [205.236.147.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AFE15075 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:09:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veers@disturbed.net) Received: from shattered.disturbed.net ([205.236.147.18]:30724 "EHLO shattered.disturbed.net") by disturbed.net with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:09:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:08:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Perel To: Donald Burr Cc: "Mark S. Reichman" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDs fragmented? Then whats this called? In-Reply-To: <002201bee5e9$29993640$ec13d1d1@relay> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Donald Burr wrote: > We mustn't forget... > Soon Microsoft Linux NT.... Alex G. Perel -=- AP5081 veers@disturbed.net -=- veers@samurai.com Disturbed Networks - Powered exclusively by FreeBSD == The Power to Serve -=- http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 17:45: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9464314BD6 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:45:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-250.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.250]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA22237; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:42:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37B4BB82.6C5B9305@airnet.net> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:42:42 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Kelly Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On freezes in 3.2-Stable References: <199908132251.RAA09931@nospam.hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Kelly wrote: > Have spent much more time reading Seagate installation manuals than the > IBM manuals, but I think both drives offer 3 different ways to handle > power up. 1) spin on power up. 2) wait 10 seconds times your SCSI ID. > Or 3) don't spin up until told to. I usually opt for #3. Some drives sound more important when they spin up... ;-) -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 19:17:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1236814D1B for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:17:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt8-216-180-14-41.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.14.41]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA27135; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:15:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13461; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:15:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <199908140215.VAA13461@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Donald Burr" Cc: "Mark S. Reichman" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: BSDs fragmented? Then whats this called? In-reply-to: Message from "Donald Burr" of "Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:08:38 PDT." <002201bee5e9$29993640$ec13d1d1@relay> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:15:14 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Donald Burr" writes: > We mustn't forget... > > Corel Linux > Storm Linux > LinuxPro > S/Linux > WholeLinux Did SGI actually announce this week they were dropping IRIX in favor of Linux? Or was it simply over zealous wishing by the Linux faithful as reported by the ignorant media (a.k.a. Edupage)? From what I can find at http://www.sgi.com/ only the Intel SGI systems get Linux, but development is continuing on Linux for MIPS. It also appears SGI Linux for Intel is Red Hat 6.0. At least until Linux splinters yet again. I think that's it, BSD is fragmented, Linux is splintered. Now off to solve the rest of the world's problems... -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 19:31:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from november.jaded.net (november.jaded.net [216.94.113.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EEA914C57 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:31:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@november.jaded.net) Received: (from dan@localhost) by november.jaded.net (8.9.3/8.9.3+trinsec_nospam) id WAA80688; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:44:40 -0400 From: Dan Moschuk To: Donald Burr Cc: "Mark S. Reichman" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDs fragmented? Then whats this called? Message-ID: <19990813224440.A80589@trinsec.com> References: <37B4B106.5B1B567D@twcny.rr.com> <002201bee5e9$29993640$ec13d1d1@relay> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <002201bee5e9$29993640$ec13d1d1@relay>; from Donald Burr on Fri, Aug 13, 1999 at 05:08:38PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org | Corel Linux | Storm Linux | LinuxPro | S/Linux | WholeLinux ... and kha0s Linux (or whatever) -D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Aug 13 20:26: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB2F215118 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:25:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt8-216-180-15-126.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.15.126]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA30113; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:24:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13983; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:24:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <199908140324.WAA13983@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: dburr@pobox.com (Donald Burr), freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Speaking about serial numbers... (was Re: On freezes in 3.2-Stable ) In-reply-to: Message from "Kenneth D. Merry" of "Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:37:20 MDT." <199908140237.UAA63955@panzer.kdm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:24:42 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Kenneth D. Merry" writes: > > Did the syntax change between -stable and -current? > > Nope, it didn't change. > > > # camcontrol inquiry da1 > > camcontrol: cam_lookup_pass: CAMGETPASSTHRU ioctl failed [...] > You don't have a da1, evidently. When you don't specify a device name, the > default is da0. Alright, the 4th stupid/bad thing to happen to me on FridayTheThirteenth. Be sure to tune in next week when I report for jury duty. :-) 1) Blood pressure bumped me from "Preferred" to "Standard" on a life insurance application. Cost an extra $52/year. 2) Found a screw in the front tire of my motorcycle today at noon, at work, 18 miles from home, 21 miles from a trusted motorcycle shop. 3) On its centerstand, lifted the front fork with my left hand, turned the wheel with my right, pinched left thumb between fork and disk brake. Am going to loose the thumbnail. Skinned thumb up pretty badly. Isn't doing my blood pressure any good. Put the screw back in the hole, added the missing 15PSI of air, got to the shop with no other events. Yes, it has fairings. http://home.hiwaay.net/~dkelly/pc.gif http://home.hiwaay.net/~dkelly/hondas.gif 4) Forgot to count starting at zero. In my defense *this* machine has an rsa0 and an rsa1 but only da0. My other two FreeBSD machines have two da's each. And my thumb hurts. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 14 0: 4:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from web1002.mail.yahoo.com (web1002.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ED6C414D2C for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:04:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bvmcg@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19990814070453.9999.rocketmail@web1002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.29.199.43] by web1002.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:04:53 PDT Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:04:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian McGroarty Reply-To: brian@pobox.com Subject: Re: BSDs fragmented? Then whats this called? To: Donald Burr , "Mark S. Reichman" Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was going to add "Yggdrasil Plug-And-Play Linux" to the list, but it looks like they gave up on their distro about six months before Linux became mainstream-cool. BAD timing. :) --- Donald Burr wrote: > We mustn't forget... > > Corel Linux > Storm Linux > LinuxPro > S/Linux > WholeLinux > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark S. Reichman > To: > Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 4:57 PM > Subject: BSDs fragmented? Then whats this called? > > > > I was reading some articles emphasizing that BSD is > fragmented. > > (Free, Net, Open)... Would these authors please take a > > look at all the possible Linux fragments one can get > > nowadays. Source.. http://www.linux.com/jumpstart/ > > > > Caldera OpenLinux > > Debian GNU/Linux > > Linux Mandrake > > LinuxPPC > > MkLinux > > Red Hat Linux > > Slackware Linux > > Stampede Linux > > S.u.S.E. Linux > > TurboLinux > > UltraPenguin > > Yellow Dog Linux _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 14 1:25:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF6C015144 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 01:25:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA28112; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:54:34 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id RAA18269; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:54:32 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:54:31 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: a disembodied voice emerging from the chaos of reality Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [rec.humor.funny] Stallman, Thorvalds, and Knuth Message-ID: <19990814175431.T456@freebie.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from a disembodied voice emerging from the chaos of reality on Fri, Aug 13, 1999 at 04:54:31AM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 13 August 1999 at 4:54:31 -0400, a disembodied voice emerging from the chaos of reality wrote: > On 13 Aug 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > >> Stallman: "God told me I have programmed the best editor in >> the world!" > > I thought it was Bill Joy who wrote vi. Correct. So? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 14 1:25:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A08715144 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 01:25:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA28119; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:55:30 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id RAA20491; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:55:29 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:55:28 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Jamie Bowden Cc: Brett Glass , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [rec.humor.funny] Stallman, Thorvalds, and Knuth Message-ID: <19990814175528.U456@freebie.lemis.com> References: <4.2.0.58.19990813091230.00c39100@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Jamie Bowden on Fri, Aug 13, 1999 at 12:00:53PM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 13 August 1999 at 12:00:53 -0400, Jamie Bowden wrote: > On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Brett Glass wrote: > > :Actually, Knuth is a regular church-going Lutheran; it's Stallman > :who thinks he's God. (And also God's gift to females, alas. Has > :anyone besides me had to help a woman recover from her utter revulsion > :at his blunt, clumsy, obnoxious passes?) > > I've seen several women report that Stallman fancies himself a charmer, > despite his lack of style or taste, his odious personal habits, and his > inability to come off as anything other than the ubergeek. I don't know if [UÜ]bergeek fits Stallman. The rest does. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 14 1:31:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A8814EDA for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 01:31:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA00964; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 11:30:36 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 11:30:36 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: jack velte Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: redhat In-Reply-To: <000f01bee568$3f7982c0$cfd60518@ELIOT> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, jack velte wrote: > has a market cap of 4B. > In a year theya re going to have lot's of management that is utterly incompetent when it comes to anything technical... > -jack > Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 14 1:36:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C7714E4E for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 01:36:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA00949; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 11:27:51 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 11:27:51 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: David Kelly Cc: Donald Burr , "Mark S. Reichman" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDs fragmented? Then whats this called? In-Reply-To: <199908140215.VAA13461@nospam.hiwaay.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, David Kelly wrote: > "Donald Burr" writes: > > We mustn't forget... > > > > Corel Linux > > Storm Linux > > LinuxPro > > S/Linux > > WholeLinux > > Did SGI actually announce this week they were dropping IRIX in favor of > Linux? Or was it simply over zealous wishing by the Linux faithful as > reported by the ignorant media (a.k.a. Edupage)? From what I can find at > http://www.sgi.com/ only the Intel SGI systems get Linux, but > development is continuing on Linux for MIPS. > > It also appears SGI Linux for Intel is Red Hat 6.0. At least until Linux > splinters yet again. > It didn't. It didn't say it was dropping making Crays either (despite what was reported). Beluzzo isn't even trying to make a face that he has a strategy of waht to do. Which is a pity. Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. > -- > David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net > ===================================================================== > The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its > capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 14 2: 5:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from python.shoal.net.au (python.shoal.net.au [203.26.44.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E1C14CCB for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:05:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@python.shoal.net.au) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by python.shoal.net.au (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA03664; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 19:04:38 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 19:04:38 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Perry To: David Kelly Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Speaking about serial numbers... (was Re: On freezes in 3.2-Stable ) In-Reply-To: <199908140324.WAA13983@nospam.hiwaay.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Put the screw back in the hole, added the missing 15PSI of air, got > to the shop with no other events. Yes, it has fairings. > http://home.hiwaay.net/~dkelly/pc.gif > http://home.hiwaay.net/~dkelly/hondas.gif > it may have fairings but you have me bluffed. If it didn't say "hondas" in the url i'd have thought your roadbike was a guzzi of some sort and i noticed your trailbike has a V motor (can't tell if it's a 2 or 4 cylinder from the photo) but I can see the honda wings on the tank. i have to say though that from the photos they are well extremely well looked after! they are obviously a model that doesn't arrive here in OZ but that's not that surprising as I think less than 20% of the japanese models make it here :-) what exactly are they? Andrew Perry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 14 3:36:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [204.188.6.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 748E414D09 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 03:36:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unfurl@magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 86015 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Aug 1999 10:36:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 03:36:19 -0700 From: Bill Swingle To: chat@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Pics from LinuxWorld Message-ID: <19990814033619.A85998@dub.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org LinuxWorld was a blast. In the midst of the constant business I was able to snap a few pics of the FreeBSD booth. Enjoy. http://www.freebsd.org/~unfurl/linuxworld99/ -Bill -- -=| Bill Swingle - unfurl@dub.net - unfurl@freebsd.org - bill@cdrom.com -=| "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers" Pablo Picasso To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 14 14:50:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 4AE66151BD; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 14:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA881CD895; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 14:50:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 14:50:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Kip Macy Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD XFS Port & BSD VFS Rewrite In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 14 Aug 1999, Kip Macy wrote: [ Moved to -chat ] > After seeing this discussion go on for just a wee bit too long, I have a > couple of questions for the armchair lawyers to answer. Has anyone ever > successfully enforced the GPL? (in other words, has anyone ever violated > it then been sued over it?) If not, how enforcable is it? From the length > of the discussion I get the impression that it would just boil down to > who had better the lawyer. > > Putting my flamesuit on. I don't believe it's ever been tested in court. Many people believe it would not stand up, although the FSF would certainly have a lot of money behind them if it was seriously challenged in court. Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 14 14:58: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from www.inx.de (www.inx.de [195.21.255.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62B114BCC for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 14:58:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jnickelsen@acm.org) Received: from n241-123.berlin.snafu.de ([195.21.241.123] helo=goting.jn.berlin.snafu.de) by www.inx.de with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11Floi-0005qq-00; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:58:21 +0200 Received: by goting.jn.berlin.snafu.de (Postfix, from userid 100) id 55E0717C; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:42:59 +0200 (CEST) To: Nik Clayton Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Describing FreeBSD References: <19990727133835.E535@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> From: Juergen Nickelsen Date: 14 Aug 1999 20:42:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: Nik Clayton's message of "Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:38:35 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton writes: > ... FreeBSD: Almost exactly unlike a Macintosh. That must be the reason why I have both. -- Juergen Nickelsen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 14 15: 4:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.webmaster.com (mail.webmaster.com [209.133.28.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2483314BCC for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:04:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from davids@webmaster.com) Received: from whenever ([209.133.29.2]) by shell.webmaster.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id com; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:04:49 -0700 From: "David Schwartz" To: "Kris Kennaway" , "Kip Macy" Cc: Subject: RE: BSD XFS Port & BSD VFS Rewrite Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:04:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bee6a1$0714a830$021d85d1@youwant.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I don't believe it's ever been tested in court. Many people believe it > would not stand up, although the FSF would certainly have a lot of money > behind them if it was seriously challenged in court. > > Kris I had an attorney do a search for me about two years ago and they were unable to find any Federal case involving the GPL. You would think that a copyright case would be Federal, but it's possible that it has come up in State cases. DS To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 14 15:35:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B13A51525F for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:35:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk) Received: from ragnet.demon.co.uk ([158.152.46.40]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11FmOc-0000Jw-0A for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:35:26 +0000 Received: from dmlb by ragnet.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11FmEy-0002yQ-00 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:25:28 +0100 Content-Length: 1522 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:25:27 +0100 (BST) From: Duncan Barclay To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Option modem and Libretto Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Has anyone had any experience of using an Option (www.option.be) PC-Card modem? I have just got a s/h Libretto 50 and it came with one. I'm just using tip(1) to talk to the modem and get it to log onto a 3.1-R box running a getty on its modem. The line I'm using in /etc/remote is, cuaa3f:dv=/dev/cuaa3f:br#115200 and the modem settings all look sane (i.e. CTS/RTS is on). The modem will dial and I get the getty banner, I can type the login name but the connection appears to hang when I type my password in. If I try an account with hasn't got a password it freezes at the shell prompt. Under Win 95 the same modem works fine and I can log into the 3.1-R using hyperterm fine. The Libretto has 3.1-R with PAO-19990515 patches. Any suggestions on where to start, this is the first time I've used PC-Cards under FreeBSD so tips on configuration would be welcome. Thanks Duncan PS. All kudos to those involved with PAO and the PC-Card stuff - it impressed the hell out of the Windows lovers at work when the day after I took delivery of the Libretto FreeBSD was running. PPS. I've seen rumours that someone is working on the Adaptec 1460 driver, the Libretto came with one and I offer myself to help/carry one the work. --- ________________________________________________________________________ Duncan Barclay | God smiles upon the little children, dmlb@ragnet.demon.co.uk | the alcoholics, and the permanently stoned. ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 14 20:20:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9128515180 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:20:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt8-216-180-15-209.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.15.209]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA30774; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:19:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA67789; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:19:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <199908150319.WAA67789@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Andrew Perry Cc: David Kelly , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Speaking about serial numbers... (was Re: On freezes in 3.2-Stable ) In-reply-to: Message from Andrew Perry of "Sat, 14 Aug 1999 19:04:38 +1000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:19:28 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Perry writes: > > > > Put the screw back in the hole, added the missing 15PSI of air, got > > to the shop with no other events. Yes, it has fairings. > > http://home.hiwaay.net/~dkelly/pc.gif > > http://home.hiwaay.net/~dkelly/hondas.gif > > > > it may have fairings but you have me bluffed. If it didn't say "hondas" in "fairings" is a long running inside BSD chuckle. > the url i'd have thought your roadbike was a guzzi of some sort and i > noticed your trailbike has a V motor (can't tell if it's a 2 or 4 cylinder > from the photo) but I can see the honda wings on the tank. Actually both are street bikes. Both are of similar design, V-twin, 2 intake valves, one exhaust, 2 sparkplugs per cylinder. Water cooled, shaft drive. Rear drum brake. > i have to say though that from the photos they are well extremely well > looked after! All motorcycles look great in pictures. Both are filthy. The PC has dead bugs all over its front, and has been ridden in the rain several times since its last bubble bath. It helps when one uses good equipment too. Camera is a Canon EOS 630, 28-80mm zoom lens, and Canon 430 flash. Used the flash to take the outside pictures. That's why the reflectors are reflecting so well. You can also see a fine edge of shadow under the bikes where the flash above the camera didn't reach. Forgot I had another picture of the VT500FT where you might notice some corrosion on the left side engine cover. I'll look into buffing it out sometime but have to figure out what is used as a protective layer so it doesn't happen again. You can also see the shaft drive. And its more obvious this is not a dirt bike. The fins on the engine are decorative. The reflector is mounted on the radiator. http://home.hiwaay.net/~dkelly/vt500ft.gif > they are obviously a model that doesn't arrive here in OZ but that's not > that surprising as I think less than 20% of the japanese models make it > here :-) what exactly are they? The big one is a 1998 model of the recently discontinued Honda Pacific Coast PC800. The little one (I didn't used to think of it as little) is a 1984 Honda VT500FT Ascot. I've owned the Ascot since 1986 and it only has 7k miles on it. Long story involving rusted gas tank and plugged carbs. Bought the PC last year and it now has 4500 miles. And a plug in each tire this summer. The Ascot is still wearing its original front tire. I have new tires on backorder. Am afraid to ride much on a 16 year old tire. The Pacific Coast was the first and last motorcycle Honda allowed their American automotive division to design. The motorcycle division handles the Gold Wing. From the rear the PC looks like a big scooter. That's what probably killed it in the market. The Pacific Coast has quite a following: http://members.tripod.com/~pc800/. I don't get much use out of that web site as it has hidden everything under Javascript. In 1983 and 1984 Honda sold two models named Ascot in the US. One was a single cylinder air cooled chain drive, the other was V-twin, water cooled, shaft drive. The air cooled model had a rear disk brake the water cooled model lacked. 1984 was the last year for the Ascot, but its sister model the Shadow continued for many years. The VT500 Shadow used the same engine only in natural aluminum rather than painted black. The Shadow had high handle bars and low seat. The Ascot is what we now call a "standard" bike, and the Shadow is "custom." Don't know what the oil companies are up to this month but gas prices are up about $0.10. I've been enjoying my 36 mile round trip commute on the PC at 48 MPG. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 14 20:34: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84A915187 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:33:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA30344; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:38:00 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:37:59 +1000 From: John Birrell To: David Kelly Cc: Andrew Perry , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Speaking about serial numbers... (was Re: On freezes in 3.2-Stable ) Message-ID: <19990815133759.B21984@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> References: <199908150319.WAA67789@nospam.hiwaay.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <199908150319.WAA67789@nospam.hiwaay.net>; from David Kelly on Sat, Aug 14, 1999 at 10:19:28PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Aug 14, 1999 at 10:19:28PM -0500, David Kelly wrote: > The Pacific Coast was the first and last motorcycle Honda allowed their > American automotive division to design. The motorcycle division handles > the Gold Wing. From the rear the PC looks like a big scooter. Chuckle. I was just thinking that. What does it cost to replace that fairing when you drop it? 8-) Trade 'em all in and get a proper bike: -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Aug 14 21:32: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from forty-two.egroups.net (teapot.findmail.com [206.16.70.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC7114DA6; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:32:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@forty-two.egroups.net) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by forty-two.egroups.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) id VAA27612; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:29:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:29:48 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Bill Swingle Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Pics from LinuxWorld Message-ID: <19990814212948.C14385@forty-two.egroups.net> References: <19990814033619.A85998@dub.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990814033619.A85998@dub.net>; from Bill Swingle on Sat, Aug 14, 1999 at 03:36:19AM -0700 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Aug 14, 1999 at 03:36:19AM -0700, Bill Swingle wrote: > LinuxWorld was a blast. In the midst of the constant business I was able > to snap a few pics of the FreeBSD booth. Enjoy. > > http://www.freebsd.org/~unfurl/linuxworld99/ I take it that that's Jordan's humaniform robot in the pictures. What kind of processor does it have? Are there any noticeable pauses in the speech when odd questions are asked? How does jkh.pl deal with having multiple versions around? I'm sure CVS won't cut it. Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Computing is a terminal addiction. mailto:gsutter@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message