From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 31 5:27:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58BA314C3A; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 05:26:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA52424; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 10:18:53 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 10:18:52 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: fifi -- hamster of Satoshi Cc: Brian Fundakowski Feldman , Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.org, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/share/calendar/calendar.freebsd ? Message-ID: <19991031101852.A52200@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Reply-To: chat@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from fifi -- hamster of Satoshi on Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 02:05:14AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Redirecting to -chat] On Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 02:05:14AM -0700, fifi -- hamster of Satoshi wrote: > * From: Brian Fundakowski Feldman > > * Cool idea! Let's just limit it to the committer birthdays and not > * pets' birthdays too (sorry Asami's hamster and Jordan's cats, but it > > Why not? Discrimination! I've committed things too! Isn't this a breach of some "You shall not share your account and password with anyone else rule?" If it isn't, it should be :-) N -- A different "distribution" of Linux is really a different operating system. They just refuse to call it that because it's bad press. But that's what the shoe fits. -- Tom Christiansen, <199910211639.KAA18701@jhereg.perl.com> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 31 23:57:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from agora.bafug.org (chicago.mooseriver.com [209.133.53.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50ECE14E8B for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:57:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch@agora.bafug.org) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by agora.bafug.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA57699 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:00:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch) From: Josef Grosch Message-Id: <199911010800.AAA57699@agora.bafug.org> Subject: BAFUG Announce To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:00:01 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is the monthly BAFUG posting. It contains 3 sections; Jobs, Counter, and Retail notice. This is posted on the first of the month. If there are any questions please send them to jgrosch@MooseRiver.com Thanks *** JOBS NOTICE *** San Francisco Bay Area FreeBSD Jobs BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) has put up a web page of employers in the San Francisco Bay Area who are looking for employees, permanent or contact, who have FreeBSD skills. The URL is : http://www.bafug.org/BayAreaJobs.html Employers: The emphasis here is FreeBSD. The job you are advertising should have FreeBSD as a major component of the job. If you wish to advertise a job please send the URL to your web page with the job listings to jgrosch@MooseRiver.com. Employees: When contacting these employers please tell them that you saw this job listing on the Bay Area FreeBSD Jobs page. *** COUNTER NOTICE *** FreeBSD Counter Project The FreeBSD Counter project and BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) have put up the first public beta of its counter page. The Counter project is an attempt to gauge the installed base of FreeBSD. We current do not have a very good idea as to what is our installed base, how FreeBSD is being used and by whom. Because of this, FreeBSD is at a disadvantage when talking to ISVs and hardware and software vendors. You are invited to register with the counter project. The counter page can be found at : http://www.bafug.org/FbsdCounter.html Couple of caveats: * Your information is held to be confidential. Only those on the project, FreeBSD core group, and Walnut Creek CDROM will ever see this information. It will _NOT_ be handed over to spammers, direct marketers, and any of the other assorted bozos. * Suggestions and comments are welcome! * The database behind this page was built from the email registrations sent to Walnut Creek. If you registered at the time of an install chances are you are in this database. *** RETAIL NOTICE *** Retail outlets for FreeBSD A common question for new users of FreeBSD is, "Where can I get a copy of FreeBSD"? Aside from Walnut Creek CDROM (http://www.cdrom.com) there are a number of retail outlets world wide. A partial list can be found at http://www.bafug.org/Retail.html Notice this is a partial list. We are collecting addresses (snail, email, and web) of retail outlets for FreeBSD. So, send us the address of you friendly (or not-so-friendly) store that carries FreeBSD. -- $Id: BafugAnnounce.txt,v 1.2 1999/10/01 07:10:24 jgrosch Exp $ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 1 0: 5: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from moose.mooseriver.com (mooseriver.com [209.133.53.192]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1528414E8B for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:05:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch@moose.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by moose.mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA97964 for chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:05:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch) From: Josef Grosch Message-Id: <199911010805.AAA97964@moose.mooseriver.com> Subject: BAFUG Announcements To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 00:05:00 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is the monthly BAFUG posting. It contains 3 sections; Jobs, Counter, and Retail notice. This is posted on the first of the month. If there are any questions please send them to jgrosch@MooseRiver.com Thanks *** JOBS NOTICE *** San Francisco Bay Area FreeBSD Jobs BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) has put up a web page of employers in the San Francisco Bay Area who are looking for employees, permanent or contact, who have FreeBSD skills. The URL is : http://www.bafug.org/BayAreaJobs.html Employers: The emphasis here is FreeBSD. The job you are advertising should have FreeBSD as a major component of the job. If you wish to advertise a job please send the URL to your web page with the job listings to jgrosch@MooseRiver.com. Employees: When contacting these employers please tell them that you saw this job listing on the Bay Area FreeBSD Jobs page. *** COUNTER NOTICE *** FreeBSD Counter Project The FreeBSD Counter project and BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) have put up the first public beta of its counter page. The Counter project is an attempt to gauge the installed base of FreeBSD. We current do not have a very good idea as to what is our installed base, how FreeBSD is being used and by whom. Because of this, FreeBSD is at a disadvantage when talking to ISVs and hardware and software vendors. You are invited to register with the counter project. The counter page can be found at : http://www.bafug.org/FbsdCounter.html Couple of caveats: * Your information is held to be confidential. Only those on the project, FreeBSD core group, and Walnut Creek CDROM will ever see this information. It will _NOT_ be handed over to spammers, direct marketers, and any of the other assorted bozos. * Suggestions and comments are welcome! * The database behind this page was built from the email registrations sent to Walnut Creek. If you registered at the time of an install chances are you are in this database. *** RETAIL NOTICE *** Retail outlets for FreeBSD A common question for new users of FreeBSD is, "Where can I get a copy of FreeBSD"? Aside from Walnut Creek CDROM (http://www.cdrom.com) there are a number of retail outlets world wide. A partial list can be found at http://www.bafug.org/Retail.html Notice this is a partial list. We are collecting addresses (snail, email, and web) of retail outlets for FreeBSD. So, send us the address of you friendly (or not-so-friendly) store that carries FreeBSD. -- $Id: BafugAnnounce.txt,v 1.3 1999/11/01 07:03:18 jgrosch Exp $ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 1 11:21:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 4259214F16; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:21:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9861CD61D; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:21:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:21:32 -0800 (PST) From: Kris Kennaway To: Chuck Robey Cc: Warner Losh , Jun Kuriyama , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cc-mode configuration for KNF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Chuck Robey wrote: > I tell you, when I found out that the style(9) called for the > "} else {" type style (which I personally think is the best way to hide > else's and lose things) I was more than a little unhappy. I write neat > looking code, and I sure don't think much of that type of style. Well, personally I think that looks much neater, so there you go :-) Kris ---- Cthulhu for President! For when you're tired of choosing the _lesser_ of two evils.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 1 11:38:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7B314D5E; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 11:38:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA48875; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:37:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:37:14 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Warner Losh , Jun Kuriyama , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cc-mode configuration for KNF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Chuck Robey wrote: > > > I tell you, when I found out that the style(9) called for the > > "} else {" type style (which I personally think is the best way to hide > > else's and lose things) I was more than a little unhappy. I write neat > > looking code, and I sure don't think much of that type of style. > > Well, personally I think that looks much neater, so there you go :-) I wasn't questioning your taste; I just dislike that style a great deal, and since my own is very neat (readable, repeatable) also, I don't like being forced to write to that style. I think the benefit (if one *does* keep to a clear style, just not *that* one) is very questionable. I think keeping to a clear, readable style is quite important; I think keeping to *your* version of that style is xenophobic. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include C programming, Electronics, 213 Lakeside Dr. Apt. T-1 | communications, and signal processing. Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD-current(i386) and (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD-current(Alpha) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 1 14:15: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mojave.sitaranetworks.com (mojave.sitaranetworks.com [199.103.141.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C5914E2A for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:14:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Message-ID: <19991101155350.57247@mojave.sitaranetworks.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:53:50 -0500 From: Greg Lehey To: David Scheidt Cc: Ollivier Robert , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: /usr/share/calendar/calendar.freebsd ? Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <19991101141751.16107@mojave.sitaranetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: ; from David Scheidt on Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 03:47:41PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [moved to -chat] On Monday, 1 November 1999 at 15:47:41 -0600, David Scheidt wrote: > On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> I've never let my horses commit anything. Well, I won't admit it, >> anyway. >> >> But I still think their birthdays belong in the list :-) > > Can't remember 1 January? Very few horses are born on 1 January where we live. That's just for racehorses in the Northern Hemisphere. Where we live, we play that game with the Queen's birthday, not with horses. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 1 14:27:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CAA14E2A for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:27:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.42]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA11386; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:26:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:26:46 -0600 (CST) From: David Scheidt To: Greg Lehey Cc: Ollivier Robert , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: /usr/share/calendar/calendar.freebsd ? In-Reply-To: <19991101155350.57247@mojave.sitaranetworks.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > > Can't remember 1 January? > > Very few horses are born on 1 January where we live. That's just for > racehorses in the Northern Hemisphere. Where we live, we play that > game with the Queen's birthday, not with horses. So what do you Aussies do about keeping track of the age of racehorses? David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 1 14:49:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mojave.sitaranetworks.com (mojave.sitaranetworks.com [199.103.141.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3986D14DC4 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:49:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Message-ID: <19991101162817.36405@mojave.sitaranetworks.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:28:17 -0500 From: Greg Lehey To: David Scheidt Cc: Ollivier Robert , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: /usr/share/calendar/calendar.freebsd ? Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <19991101155350.57247@mojave.sitaranetworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: ; from David Scheidt on Mon, Nov 01, 1999 at 04:26:46PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, 1 November 1999 at 16:26:46 -0600, David Scheidt wrote: > On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > >>> Can't remember 1 January? >> >> Very few horses are born on 1 January where we live. That's just for >> racehorses in the Northern Hemisphere. Where we live, we play that >> game with the Queen's birthday, not with horses. > > So what do you Aussies do about keeping track of the age of racehorses? Personally, I don't do anything (no racehorses). But the ETB crowd celebrate their horse's birthdays on 1 August. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 1 15:50:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9BA31516F for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 15:50:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lowell@world.std.com) Received: from world.std.com (lowell@world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03438 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from lowell@localhost) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08122; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:50:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:50:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199911012350.SAA08122@world.std.com> From: Lowell Gilbert To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: too cute, maybe, but we could find a "Tux" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://world.std.com/~lowell/josh/1999-halloween/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 2 0:55:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC041539F; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 00:55:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA93974; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:51:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Chuck Robey Cc: Kris Kennaway , Warner Losh , Jun Kuriyama , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cc-mode configuration for KNF References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 02 Nov 1999 09:51:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: Chuck Robey's message of "Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:37:14 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chuck Robey writes: > I wasn't questioning your taste; I just dislike that style a great deal, > and since my own is very neat (readable, repeatable) also, I don't like > being forced to write to that style. I think the benefit (if one *does* > keep to a clear style, just not *that* one) is very questionable. > > I think keeping to a clear, readable style is quite important; I think > keeping to *your* version of that style is xenophobic. *cough* *cough* and you *don't* see a contradiction in your mail? Anyway, what's important about coding style isn't so much aesthetics as consistency and predictability. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 2 6:48: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D71153E3; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:47:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA32167; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:46:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:46:07 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Kris Kennaway , Warner Losh , Jun Kuriyama , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cc-mode configuration for KNF In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2 Nov 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Chuck Robey writes: > > I wasn't questioning your taste; I just dislike that style a great deal, > > and since my own is very neat (readable, repeatable) also, I don't like > > being forced to write to that style. I think the benefit (if one *does* > > keep to a clear style, just not *that* one) is very questionable. > > > > I think keeping to a clear, readable style is quite important; I think > > keeping to *your* version of that style is xenophobic. > > *cough* *cough* > > and you *don't* see a contradiction in your mail? > > Anyway, what's important about coding style isn't so much aesthetics > as consistency and predictability. Maybe I should have said *one* instead of *your*, I meant that keeping to a clear style is important, but keeping the entire codebase to a single style is far overly stuffy. Inside one file, the style has to be the same, anything else would drive you crazy, but across files, I don't think that's defensible. > > DES > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include C programming, Electronics, 213 Lakeside Dr. Apt. T-1 | communications, and signal processing. Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD-current(i386) and (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD-current(Alpha) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 2 7: 8:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Pegasus.cc.ucf.edu [132.170.240.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F6414CCD for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:08:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ewayte@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu) Received: from pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (pegasus.cc.ucf.edu [132.170.240.30]) Ident [ewayte] by pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66EF135C9; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:08:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:08:38 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Wayte To: Lowell Gilbert Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: too cute, maybe, but we could find a "Tux" In-Reply-To: <199911012350.SAA08122@world.std.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Found 'em! http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/99oct/19991031.html -Eric- On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:50:29 -0500 (EST) > From: Lowell Gilbert > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Subject: too cute, maybe, but we could find a "Tux" > > http://world.std.com/~lowell/josh/1999-halloween/ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 2 7:27:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B27415401; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:26:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA95070; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 16:26:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Chuck Robey Cc: Kris Kennaway , Warner Losh , Jun Kuriyama , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cc-mode configuration for KNF References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 02 Nov 1999 16:26:48 +0100 In-Reply-To: Chuck Robey's message of "Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:46:07 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chuck Robey writes: > Maybe I should have said *one* instead of *your*, I meant that keeping to > a clear style is important, but keeping the entire codebase to a single > style is far overly stuffy. Inside one file, the style has to be the > same, anything else would drive you crazy, but across files, I don't think > that's defensible. That translates into the assumption that no one will ever wish to read (or, God forbid! modify) more than one file (or a few number of files in similar style). DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 2 12:41:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from tardis.patho.gen.nz (tardis.patho.gen.nz [203.97.2.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7C015067 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:41:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jabley@tardis.patho.gen.nz) Received: (from jabley@localhost) by tardis.patho.gen.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15913 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:41:18 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:41:17 +1300 From: Joe Abley To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Not good for the civil advocacy debate :) Message-ID: <19991103094116.C16550@patho.gen.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i X-Files: the Truth is Out There Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From a friend of a friend :) http://www.ecotech.com/pics/bsdvslinux.jpg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 2 13:27:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from chain.freebsd.os.org.za (chain.freebsd.os.org.za [196.7.162.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A213C14C35 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:26:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za) X-Disclaimer: Contents of this e-mail are the writer's opinion X-Disclaimer2: and may not be quoted, re-produced or forwarded X-Disclaimer3: (in part or whole) without the author's permission. Received: from localhost (khetan@localhost) by chain.freebsd.os.org.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA67924; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:25:53 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from khetan@chain.freebsd.os.org.za) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:25:53 +0200 (SAST) From: Khetan Gajjar Reply-To: Khetan Gajjar To: Joe Abley Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Not good for the civil advocacy debate :) In-Reply-To: <19991103094116.C16550@patho.gen.nz> Message-ID: X-Mobile: +27 82 9907663 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Around Tomorrow, "Joe Abley" wrote : JA> http://www.ecotech.com/pics/bsdvslinux.jpg Similar to http://khetan.os.org.za/misc/images/computer/ChuckVsTux.jpg, http://khetan.os.org.za/misc/images/computer/crucified_linux.jpg and http://khetan.os.org.za/misc/images/computer/rhoenie-chuck_and_tux.jpg There are a couple of other nice ones there. Be patient; it's a 28.8 analogue leased line in South Africa :-( --- Khetan Gajjar (!kg1779) * khetan@os.org.za http://khetan.os.org.za/ * Talk/Finger khetan@khetan.os.org.za FreeBSD enthusiast * http://www2.za.freebsd.org/ /dev/random output : Certainly nothing is unnatural that is not physically impossible. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 2 13:55:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F3A1544D for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:55:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: from shell-2.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-2.enteract.com [207.229.143.41]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA84538; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:55:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:55:18 -0600 (CST) From: David Scheidt To: Khetan Gajjar Cc: Joe Abley , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Not good for the civil advocacy debate :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Khetan Gajjar wrote: > Around Tomorrow, "Joe Abley" wrote : > > JA> http://www.ecotech.com/pics/bsdvslinux.jpg > > Similar to > http://khetan.os.org.za/misc/images/computer/ChuckVsTux.jpg, > http://khetan.os.org.za/misc/images/computer/crucified_linux.jpg > and > http://khetan.os.org.za/misc/images/computer/rhoenie-chuck_and_tux.jpg > > There are a couple of other nice ones there. > Be patient; it's a 28.8 analogue leased line in South Africa :-( I have put mirrors of these at http://www.tumbolia.com/pics/ , which should save Khetan some of his bandwidth. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 2 15:37:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E017014D81 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:37:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@oldserver.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.105.241] (helo=propro) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11inUF-00025W-00; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:37:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:37:11 +0100 (CET) From: Marc Schneiders To: David Scheidt Cc: Khetan Gajjar , Joe Abley , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Not good for the civil advocacy debate :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, David Scheidt wrote: > On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Khetan Gajjar wrote: > > > Around Tomorrow, "Joe Abley" wrote : > > > > JA> http://www.ecotech.com/pics/bsdvslinux.jpg > > > > Similar to > > http://khetan.os.org.za/misc/images/computer/ChuckVsTux.jpg, > > http://khetan.os.org.za/misc/images/computer/crucified_linux.jpg > > and > > http://khetan.os.org.za/misc/images/computer/rhoenie-chuck_and_tux.jpg > > > > There are a couple of other nice ones there. > > Be patient; it's a 28.8 analogue leased line in South Africa :-( > > I have put mirrors of these at http://www.tumbolia.com/pics/ , which should > save Khetan some of his bandwidth. > > David > Are there similar pics which show a little more brains and less blood? Marc || Marc Schneiders || In re tam justa || || nulla est deliberatio! || marc@venster.nl || || marc@oldserver.demon.nl || Acta SS. MM. Scillitanorum || || propro 12:35am up 6 days, 18:16, load average: 1.09 1.62 1.84 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 2 17:21: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8372815566 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:20:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.45]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA1913 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:20:19 -0500 Message-ID: <381F9024.B041B10B@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 20:30:12 -0500 From: "Pedro Fernando Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Not good for the civil advocacy debate :) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Exactly my thought...I have always wanted to see a smiling penguin with gunshot between the eyes. Any of those ?? ;-). cheers, Pedro. Marc Schneiders wrote: > ... > > Are there similar pics which show a little more brains and less blood? > > Marc > > || Marc Schneiders || In re tam justa > || || nulla est deliberatio! > || marc@venster.nl || > || marc@oldserver.demon.nl || Acta SS. MM. Scillitanorum > || || > propro 12:35am up 6 days, 18:16, load average: 1.09 1.62 1.84 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 2 17:41: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA193154D4 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:41:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@oldserver.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.105.241] (helo=propro) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ipQh-000N4k-00; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 01:41:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:40:59 +0100 (CET) From: Marc Schneiders To: Pedro Fernando Giffuni Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Not good for the civil advocacy debate :) In-Reply-To: <381F9024.B041B10B@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Too violent still for my taste. How about the daemon looking into an empty tux scull? Marc On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Pedro Fernando Giffuni wrote: > Exactly my thought...I have always wanted to see a smiling penguin with > gunshot between the eyes. > Any of those ?? ;-). > > cheers, > > Pedro. > > > Marc Schneiders wrote: > > > ... > > > > Are there similar pics which show a little more brains and less blood? > > > > Marc > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 2 17:45:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5252614D50 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:45:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.45]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA1A0A; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:44:54 -0500 Message-ID: <381F95E7.89073809@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 20:54:47 -0500 From: "Pedro Fernando Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Schneiders Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Not good for the civil advocacy debate :) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That's less blood, but I thought you also wanted brains..Perhaps a "scanners" type of thing ? Pedro. Marc Schneiders wrote: > > Too violent still for my taste. How about the daemon looking into an > empty tux scull? > > Marc > > On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Pedro Fernando Giffuni wrote: > > > Exactly my thought...I have always wanted to see a smiling penguin with > > gunshot between the eyes. > > Any of those ?? ;-). > > > > cheers, > > > > Pedro. > > > > > > Marc Schneiders wrote: > > > > > ... > > > > > > Are there similar pics which show a little more brains and less blood? > > > > > > Marc > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 2 18:43:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from relax.dreamfire.net (relax.dreamfire.net [207.113.154.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D9315360 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:43:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sean@dreamfire.net) Received: from dreamfire.net (indigo.dreamfire.net [192.168.10.8]) by relax.dreamfire.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DBCF2 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:43:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <381FA175.87D97BDF@dreamfire.net> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 18:44:05 -0800 From: Sean-Paul Rees Organization: The Dreamfire Solutions Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: CAM and CD Ripping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In my recent craze to rip many-a-cd and encode them into MP3 for portable playing, I utilized multiple machines. You guessed it, my FreeBSD server too. My FreeBSD server has an UltraWideSCSI 20X Cdrom. It shows up as 10MB/Sec in the dmesg. The thing rips at 16-18X (no problems. i use tosha), compared to 2X on my 24X IDE here. Is this because of CAM or is my CDROM hardware extraordinary? Cheers, Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 2 18:53:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8392714CAD for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:53:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20501; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:23:18 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <381FA175.87D97BDF@dreamfire.net> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:23:18 +0930 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Sean-Paul Rees Subject: RE: CAM and CD Ripping Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 03-Nov-99 Sean-Paul Rees wrote: > The thing rips at 16-18X (no problems. i use tosha), compared to 2X on > my 24X IDE here. Is this because of CAM or is my CDROM hardware > extraordinary? Well its just that IDE CDroms suck :) They are VERY cheap parts.. My 40x IDE CD reads at about 2x too. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 2 19:29:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.gfit.net (ns.gfit.net [209.41.124.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CCD14EF7 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:29:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Received: from PARANOR (timembt.iinc.com [206.67.169.229]) by mercury.gfit.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA12200 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:34:33 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991102222925.0123bd90@mail.embt.com> X-Sender: tembt@mail.embt.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:29:25 -0800 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Tom Embt Subject: RE: CAM and CD Ripping In-Reply-To: References: <381FA175.87D97BDF@dreamfire.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 13:23 11/3/1999 +0930, you wrote: > >On 03-Nov-99 Sean-Paul Rees wrote: >> The thing rips at 16-18X (no problems. i use tosha), compared to 2X on >> my 24X IDE here. Is this because of CAM or is my CDROM hardware >> extraordinary? > >Well its just that IDE CDroms suck :) > >They are VERY cheap parts.. My 40x IDE CD reads at about 2x too. > I got an "el cheapo" 32x Samsung IDE CD-ROM that does DAE around 8x in windows. Not bad when you consider the thing was worth about $35-40 when it was new (and that was a while ago). Tom Embt tom@embt.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Nov 2 19:32:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from vortex.greycat.com (vortex.greycat.com [207.173.133.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3048314EF7 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:32:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dann@greycat.com) Received: (qmail 20770 invoked from network); 3 Nov 1999 03:32:33 -0000 Received: from bigphred.greycat.com (HELO greycat.com) (207.173.133.2) by vortex.greycat.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 1999 03:32:33 -0000 Message-ID: <381FACD5.236388D0@greycat.com> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 19:32:37 -0800 From: Dann Lunsford Organization: You're kidding, right? X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Cat toys... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My wife just came up with something so good, I *must* share it. Pets.com (http://www.pets.com) has catnip toys designed as Billygates lookalikes. Not kidding, they're about six inches tall, stuffed with (if my cat's reaction is any indication) superior catnip, and looks like BG. It did my heart good to see what my cat Trouble did to BG...Now if only I could get it away from her to stick some pins in. On the other hand, Trouble's claws make most needles I've seen look dull, so maybe the pins aren't needed. Dann Lunsford To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 2:51:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from neptune.psn.net (neptune.psn.net [207.211.58.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9DB414F8D for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:51:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrews@technologist.com) Received: from 5042-243.008.popsite.net ([209.224.140.243] helo=argon) by neptune.psn.net with smtp (PSN Internet Service 2.12 #3) id 11iy04-0007jt-00; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 03:50:44 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19991103055022.008813a0@mail.psn.net> X-Sender: andrews@mail.psn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 05:50:22 -0500 To: Sean-Paul Rees From: Will Andrews Subject: Re: CAM and CD Ripping Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <381FA175.87D97BDF@dreamfire.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:44 PM 11/2/99 -0800, you wrote: >In my recent craze to rip many-a-cd and encode them into MP3 for >portable playing, I utilized multiple machines. You guessed it, my >FreeBSD server too. > >My FreeBSD server has an UltraWideSCSI 20X Cdrom. It shows up as >10MB/Sec in the dmesg. > >The thing rips at 16-18X (no problems. i use tosha), compared to 2X on >my 24X IDE here. Is this because of CAM or is my CDROM hardware >extraordinary? Uh, you _HAVE_ a 16X ripper? Fastest CD-R(W) I've seen released has been an 8X. And the fastest hardware I've seen CD-R(W) drives built to use has been Ultra SCSI 2 (my Yamaha CRW4416S). Plus, I've never seen media designed to handle anything faster than 8X burn.. I'd certainly like to hear from somebody who knows more about this than I do, and prove me wrong. :) -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 2:57:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7319914F8D for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:57:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from mail1.siemens.de (mail1.siemens.de [139.23.33.14]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02186 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:55:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [139.25.42.7]) by mail1.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15061 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:55:55 +0100 (MET) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA34332 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:55:55 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:55:52 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Will Andrews Cc: Sean-Paul Rees , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CAM and CD Ripping Message-ID: <19991103115552.A62482@internal> References: <381FA175.87D97BDF@dreamfire.net> <3.0.6.32.19991103055022.008813a0@mail.psn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991103055022.008813a0@mail.psn.net>; from andrews@technologist.com on Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 05:50:22AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 03-Nov-1999 at 05:50:22 -0500, Will Andrews wrote: > At 06:44 PM 11/2/99 -0800, you wrote: > >In my recent craze to rip many-a-cd and encode them into MP3 for > >portable playing, I utilized multiple machines. You guessed it, my > >FreeBSD server too. > > > >My FreeBSD server has an UltraWideSCSI 20X Cdrom. It shows up as > >10MB/Sec in the dmesg. > > > >The thing rips at 16-18X (no problems. i use tosha), compared to 2X on > >my 24X IDE here. Is this because of CAM or is my CDROM hardware > >extraordinary? > > Uh, you _HAVE_ a 16X ripper? Fastest CD-R(W) I've seen released has > been an 8X. And the fastest hardware I've seen CD-R(W) drives built > to use has been Ultra SCSI 2 (my Yamaha CRW4416S). Plus, I've never > seen media designed to handle anything faster than 8X burn.. I have got a: cd0 at ahc1 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd0: 3.300MB/s transfers It does 12x data and 12x audio. That's why I stick with it :-) -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 3:48:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.gfit.net (ns.gfit.net [209.41.124.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E199D15530 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 03:48:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Received: from PARANOR (timembt.iinc.com [206.67.169.229]) by mercury.gfit.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA27572; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:52:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19991103064745.0124c470@mail.embt.com> X-Sender: tembt@mail.embt.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 06:47:45 -0800 To: Will Andrews From: Tom Embt Subject: Re: CAM and CD Ripping Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991103055022.008813a0@mail.psn.net> References: <381FA175.87D97BDF@dreamfire.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 05:50 11/3/1999 -0500, you wrote: >At 06:44 PM 11/2/99 -0800, you wrote: >>In my recent craze to rip many-a-cd and encode them into MP3 for >>portable playing, I utilized multiple machines. You guessed it, my >>FreeBSD server too. >> >>My FreeBSD server has an UltraWideSCSI 20X Cdrom. It shows up as >>10MB/Sec in the dmesg. >> >>The thing rips at 16-18X (no problems. i use tosha), compared to 2X on >>my 24X IDE here. Is this because of CAM or is my CDROM hardware >>extraordinary? > >Uh, you _HAVE_ a 16X ripper? Fastest CD-R(W) I've seen released has >been an 8X. And the fastest hardware I've seen CD-R(W) drives built >to use has been Ultra SCSI 2 (my Yamaha CRW4416S). Plus, I've never >seen media designed to handle anything faster than 8X burn.. > >I'd certainly like to hear from somebody who knows more about this >than I do, and prove me wrong. :) > I believe you're confusing "ripping" with "burning". Ripping, aka DAE (digital audio extraction) is the process of extracting the CD audio tracks to .wav or similar format files. This is done on normal CD-ROMS (or DVDs or CD-R(W)s) with varying success depending on their quality. Burning is what you do in a CD-R. The fancy new ones are 8x, like you said, as is much of the good media. Tom Embt tom@embt.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 5:11:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE48D15301 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:11:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA98716; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:10:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: "Pedro Fernando Giffuni" Cc: Marc Schneiders , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Not good for the civil advocacy debate :) References: <381F95E7.89073809@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 03 Nov 1999 14:10:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Pedro Fernando Giffuni"'s message of "Tue, 02 Nov 1999 20:54:47 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070097 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.97) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Pedro Fernando Giffuni" writes: > That's less blood, but I thought you also wanted brains..Perhaps a > "scanners" type of thing ? Hmm, how about that "X-ray of Homer Simpson's skull" cartoon, except with Tux instead of Homer? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 5:14: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69AE814F62 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:13:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA98723; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:12:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Joe Abley Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Not good for the civil advocacy debate :) References: <19991103094116.C16550@patho.gen.nz> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 03 Nov 1999 14:12:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: Joe Abley's message of "Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:41:17 +1300" Message-ID: Lines: 8 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070097 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.97) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe Abley writes: > http://www.ecotech.com/pics/bsdvslinux.jpg The One And Only: DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 5:14:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33CE14F62 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:14:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA98731; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:14:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Andre Albsmeier Cc: Will Andrews , Sean-Paul Rees , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CAM and CD Ripping References: <381FA175.87D97BDF@dreamfire.net> <3.0.6.32.19991103055022.008813a0@mail.psn.net> <19991103115552.A62482@internal> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 03 Nov 1999 14:14:35 +0100 In-Reply-To: Andre Albsmeier's message of "Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:55:52 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070097 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.97) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andre Albsmeier writes: > I have got a: > > cd0 at ahc1 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 > cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device > cd0: 3.300MB/s transfers > > It does 12x data and 12x audio. That's why I stick with it :-) It's also a very fast seeker (80 ms avg seek time, IIRC) which makes a *huge* difference when reading data CDs. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 5:27:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from umd5.umd.edu (umd5.umd.edu [128.8.10.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CCA14C40 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 05:27:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from maigret.umd.edu (maigret.umd.edu [128.8.10.42]) by umd5.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA04450; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:27:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by maigret.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA26234; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:27:11 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: maigret.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:27:10 -0500 (EST) From: James Howard X-Sender: howardjp@maigret.umd.edu To: Joe Abley Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Not good for the civil advocacy debate :) In-Reply-To: <19991103094116.C16550@patho.gen.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Joe Abley wrote: > >From a friend of a friend :) > > http://www.ecotech.com/pics/bsdvslinux.jpg Can we clean this up and get t-shirts and sweatshirts of this? Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 6:19:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from kuzhmaker.tec2000.org.il (f194.ifirewall.israsrv.net.il [192.117.193.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6A915506 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:19:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aeg@iname.com) Received: from lair ([192.168.0.226]) by kuzhmaker.tec2000.org.il (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA22467 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:51:33 +0200 (IST) (envelope-from aeg@iname.com) Message-ID: <001f01bf2603$77be97c0$e200a8c0@tec2000.org.il> From: "Alexandr Gribenko" To: Subject: Logo Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:58:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anybody knows where to get a good logo of FreeBSD to put on my servers. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 8:52: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (bachue.usc.unal.edu.co [168.176.3.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C04B15467 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:51:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfgiffun@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co) Received: from bachue.usc.unal.edu.co ([168.176.3.57]) by bachue.usc.unal.edu.co (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA3422; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:50:57 -0500 Message-ID: <38206A46.C0989401@bachue.usc.unal.edu.co> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:00:54 -0500 From: "Pedro Fernando Giffuni" Organization: Universidad Nacional de Colombia X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexandr Gribenko Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logo References: <001f01bf2603$77be97c0$e200a8c0@tec2000.org.il> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org www.FreeBSDmall.com sells some nice stickers, if you buy the CD's you'll get them for free. cheers, Pedro. Alexandr Gribenko wrote: > > Anybody knows where to get a good logo of FreeBSD to put on my servers. > (I mean GIF or JPEG ) to print and label all those computers instead of > IntelInside ;o) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 9:56:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3596715985 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:56:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: from shell-1.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-1.enteract.com [207.229.143.40]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA48582; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:55:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:55:46 -0600 (CST) From: David Scheidt To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: Sean-Paul Rees , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: RE: CAM and CD Ripping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On 03-Nov-99 Sean-Paul Rees wrote: > > The thing rips at 16-18X (no problems. i use tosha), compared to 2X on > > my 24X IDE here. Is this because of CAM or is my CDROM hardware > > extraordinary? > > Well its just that IDE CDroms suck :) They do, but some non-trivial fraction of the poor performance is drivers. My desktop at work does DAE at less than 1x speed, while my office mate, with an indentical machine can get 8xish, under NT. At home, I get 2X from the IDE drive and 12X from the SCSI 16X one. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 12:40:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB14014F04 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:40:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21065 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:39:31 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:39:31 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Hosting from pair.com Message-ID: <19991103203931.A20845@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, I'm in need of a bit of web hosting, and stumbled across pair.com. I already know they use FreeBSD extensively, which is a plus, but I was wondering if anyone had heard any stories (good or bad) about experiences with them. A Deja/Alta/Google search didn't turn up any rants from disatisfied customers, so I figure they're probably OK. N -- A different "distribution" of Linux is really a different operating system. They just refuse to call it that because it's bad press. But that's what the shoe fits. -- Tom Christiansen, <199910211639.KAA18701@jhereg.perl.com> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 13:29:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (athserv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB0414CE0 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:29:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr364-a118.otenet.gr [195.167.112.214]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA08095 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:28:40 +0200 (EET) Received: (qmail 961 invoked by uid 1001); 3 Nov 1999 15:39:07 -0000 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logo References: <001f01bf2603$77be97c0$e200a8c0@tec2000.org.il> From: Giorgos Keramidas Date: 03 Nov 1999 17:39:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Alexandr Gribenko"'s message of "Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:58:12 +0200" Message-ID: <86iu3j8u05.fsf@localhost.hell.gr> Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.1 - "20 Minutes to Nikko" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Alexandr Gribenko" writes: > Anybody knows where to get a good logo of FreeBSD to put on my servers. > (I mean GIF or JPEG ) to print and label all those computers instead of > IntelInside ;o) www.freebsd.org has been ripped off some nice images for this by me alot of times. that 'powered by freebsd' looks quite cute; especially when you change it to something like 'powered by the devil' :) -- Giorgos Keramidas, "What we have to learn to do, we learn by doing." [Aristotle] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 13:35:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935B914CE0 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:35:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: from shell-1.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-1.enteract.com [207.229.143.40]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA88855; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:35:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:35:00 -0600 (CST) From: David Scheidt To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Logo In-Reply-To: <86iu3j8u05.fsf@localhost.hell.gr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 3 Nov 1999, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > "Alexandr Gribenko" writes: > > > Anybody knows where to get a good logo of FreeBSD to put on my servers. > > (I mean GIF or JPEG ) to print and label all those computers instead of > > IntelInside ;o) > > www.freebsd.org has been ripped off some nice images for this by me alot > of times. that 'powered by freebsd' looks quite cute; especially when > you change it to something like 'powered by the devil' :) Stay out of restaurants in Texas. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 13:38:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [207.154.84.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 402CE150D1 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:38:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unfurl@magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 86313 invoked by uid 1001); 3 Nov 1999 21:37:55 -0000 Date: 3 Nov 1999 13:37:55 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:37:55 -0800 From: Bill Swingle To: James Howard Cc: Joe Abley , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Not good for the civil advocacy debate :) Message-ID: <19991103133755.A85526@dub.net> References: <19991103094116.C16550@patho.gen.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kirk would be most unhappy with whoever printed this up on shirts and the like. It's most likely a Bad Idea. -Bill On Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 08:27:10AM -0500, James Howard wrote: > On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Joe Abley wrote: > > > >From a friend of a friend :) > > > > http://www.ecotech.com/pics/bsdvslinux.jpg > > Can we clean this up and get t-shirts and sweatshirts of this? > > Jamie -- -=| --- B i l l S w i n g l e --- http://www.dub.net/ -=| unfurl@dub.net - unfurl@freebsd.org - bill@cdrom.com -=| Different all twisty a of in maze are you, passages little To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 14:49:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bamf.demon.co.uk (bamf.demon.co.uk [158.152.173.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1151E1552E; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:49:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rich@dynamite.org) Received: from clyde (unverified [192.168.1.2]) by clyde.chugaboom.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:46:15 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Rich Wood" Organization: dynamite.org To: Nik Clayton Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:46:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Hosting from pair.com Reply-To: rich@dynamite.org Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19991103203931.A20845@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 3 Nov 99, at 20:39, Nik Clayton wrote: > Folks, > > I'm in need of a bit of web hosting, and stumbled across pair.com. I > already know they use FreeBSD extensively, which is a plus, but I was > wondering if anyone had heard any stories (good or bad) about experiences > with them. A Deja/Alta/Google search didn't turn up any rants from > disatisfied customers, so I figure they're probably OK. I've been with them for 2.5 years or so, and have no complaints. The longest downtime so far was 8 hours for an office move, there is another move due later this month (17th I think, http://www.pair-is- moving.com or http://www.pair.com/Move/ for more details), but other than that they are very reliable. Most servers have an uptime approaching 250 days (IIRC that outage was for network reconfiguration). External connectivity is currently 4 DS3's with a 5th due for the new office later this month. The server I am on (no. 9) is a little higher loaded so only normally manages 100 day uptimes :-( I have several domains hosted with pair, and have nothing but praise for them. They have a private news server, if you contact me privately I'll give you the username/password for it if you want to read more (I'm sure they won't mind). Rich (Just a satisfied customer) -- rich@dynamite.org rich@FreeBSD.org.uk If that's what they call normal, I'd rather be insane To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 17: 4:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE65814CEF for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:03:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac4.wam.umd.edu (root@rac4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.144]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21625; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:01:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from rac4.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA13424; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:01:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by rac4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13420; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:01:51 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: rac4.wam.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:01:50 -0500 (EST) From: James Howard To: Bill Swingle Cc: Joe Abley , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Not good for the civil advocacy debate :) In-Reply-To: <19991103133755.A85526@dub.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 3 Nov 1999, Bill Swingle wrote: > Kirk would be most unhappy with whoever printed this up on shirts and > the like. It's most likely a Bad Idea. I was being sarcastic...not that I wouldn't wear it given the chance :) Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 17:12:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [207.154.84.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E2E514D70 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:12:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unfurl@magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 92723 invoked by uid 1001); 4 Nov 1999 01:12:03 -0000 Date: 3 Nov 1999 17:12:03 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:12:03 -0800 From: Bill Swingle To: James Howard Cc: Joe Abley , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Not good for the civil advocacy debate :) Message-ID: <19991103171203.B92624@dub.net> References: <19991103133755.A85526@dub.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 08:01:50PM -0500, James Howard wrote: > On 3 Nov 1999, Bill Swingle wrote: > > > Kirk would be most unhappy with whoever printed this up on shirts and > > the like. It's most likely a Bad Idea. > > I was being sarcastic...not that I wouldn't wear it given the chance :) The only reason I mention it was that there was an even more offensive shirt floating around at this years USENIX that made quite a stink with Kirk. Not that I would be opposed to wearing one though... :) -Bill -- -=| --- B i l l S w i n g l e --- http://www.dub.net/ -=| unfurl@dub.net - unfurl@freebsd.org - bill@cdrom.com -=| Different all twisty a of in maze are you, passages little To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 17:16:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EFB114E96 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:16:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@oldserver.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.105.241] (helo=propro) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11jBVS-0001St-00; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 01:16:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:15:30 +0100 (CET) From: Marc Schneiders To: James Howard Cc: Bill Swingle , Joe Abley , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Not good for the civil advocacy debate :) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, James Howard wrote: > On 3 Nov 1999, Bill Swingle wrote: > > > Kirk would be most unhappy with whoever printed this up on shirts and > > the like. It's most likely a Bad Idea. > > I was being sarcastic...not that I wouldn't wear it given the chance :) > Is there not some daemon vs. tux cartoon somewhere that is really and intelligently funny? Don't tell me to contribute it myself. I was a failure in Kindergarten. Marc Marc Schneiders marc@venster.nl marc@oldserver.demon.nl propro 2:12am up 7 days, 19:53, load average: 0.88 0.78 0.82 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 17:20:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from rz5.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (rz5.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.57.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AFD14E96 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:20:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de) Received: from fettesau.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (stuwopc5.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.209.5]) by rz5.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA08691; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:20:06 +0100 Message-Id: <4.1.19991104021603.00bd65f0@mailserv.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> X-Sender: ohoyer@mailserv.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 02:19:22 +0100 To: Andre Albsmeier From: Olaf Hoyer Subject: Re: CAM and CD Ripping Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <19991103115552.A62482@internal> References: <3.0.6.32.19991103055022.008813a0@mail.psn.net> <381FA175.87D97BDF@dreamfire.net> <3.0.6.32.19991103055022.008813a0@mail.psn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> >The thing rips at 16-18X (no problems. i use tosha), compared to 2X on >> >my 24X IDE here. Is this because of CAM or is my CDROM hardware >> >extraordinary? >>=20 >> Uh, you _HAVE_ a 16X ripper? Fastest CD-R(W) I've seen released has >> been an 8X. And the fastest hardware I've seen CD-R(W) drives built >> to use has been Ultra SCSI 2 (my Yamaha CRW4416S). Plus, I've never >> seen media designed to handle anything faster than 8X burn.. Hi! Actual Toshiba and Plextor drives can do audio up to 32x speed. (OK, the Teac 532S can do up to 10x under Wwindoze95 with special drivers, otherwise only 4x, the Teac CD-R 55S does full 12x audio extraction, I use Feurio for that purpose) (OK-these numbers come from benches done on Windoze systems, some from friends and magazine tests...) Regards Olaf Hoyer - - - - - - - -=20 Olaf Hoyer ICQ: 22838075 mailto: Olaf.Hoyer@nightfire.de home: www.nightfire.de (The home of the burning CPU) Wer mit Ungeheuern k=E4mpft, mag zusehn,=20 da=DF er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund=20 auch in dich hinein. (Friedrich Nietzsche, Jenseits von Gut und B=F6se) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Nov 3 21: 7:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mentisworks.com (rm02-24-29-197-208.ce.mediaone.net [24.29.197.208]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A76314C94; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:07:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nathank@mentisworks.com) Received: from [192.168.245.111] (HELO mentisworks.com) by mentisworks.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2b3) with ESMTP id 480006; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 23:06:32 -0600 Message-ID: <3821144D.FED89F94@mentisworks.com> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 23:06:21 -0600 From: Nathan Kinsman Reply-To: nathan@kinsman.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hosting from pair.com References: <19991103203931.A20845@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik, I was looking at them for a project a few weeks ago, and I had a lot of problems with response times. I think they are having a staffing problem right now or something related, as it took around 5 days for each of my correspondances to be replied to. Something to consider anyway.. - Nathan Kinsman Nik Clayton wrote: > > Folks, > > I'm in need of a bit of web hosting, and stumbled across pair.com. I > already know they use FreeBSD extensively, which is a plus, but I was > wondering if anyone had heard any stories (good or bad) about experiences > with them. A Deja/Alta/Google search didn't turn up any rants from > disatisfied customers, so I figure they're probably OK. > > N > -- > A different "distribution" of Linux is really a different operating system. > They just refuse to call it that because it's bad press. But that's what > the shoe fits. > -- Tom Christiansen, <199910211639.KAA18701@jhereg.perl.com> > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 4 5:30:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from kuzhmaker.tec2000.org.il (f194.ifirewall.israsrv.net.il [192.117.193.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4749915856 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 05:30:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aeg@iname.com) Received: from lair ([192.168.0.226]) by kuzhmaker.tec2000.org.il (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA24818 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:29:38 +0200 (IST) (envelope-from aeg@iname.com) Message-ID: <003a01bf26c9$95f979a0$e200a8c0@tec2000.org.il> From: "Alexandr Gribenko" To: References: <3.0.6.32.19991103055022.008813a0@mail.psn.net><381FA175.87D97BDF@dreamfire.net><3.0.6.32.19991103055022.008813a0@mail.psn.net> <4.1.19991104021603.00bd65f0@mailserv.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> Subject: Re: CAM and CD Ripping Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:36:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Occasionally I spend a lot of time ripping audio the best results ofcourse you get with Brand name CDROMS But there is no connection between BUS and ripping speed. I compared TEAC532s SCSI with TEAC532E IDE they had just the same ripping at up to 8x or more with special setup tool from teac. and ofcourse IDE cost half the price. In our days with IDE CDROMs support UDMA2 there is no problem with bus. If you are looking for a cheap ripping solution you can check 1)TEAC drives about 40$ you get up to x8 most times 2)CREATIVE (from panasonic) x24 or x32 did x12 or smth like this. Interesting but x24 is much better. 3)ASUSx32 great CDROM, reads almost everything, even bad cds but sometimes short life (4-5months) (who cares, there is wararnty) 4)SONY almost everything makes good ripping 5)Toshiba at x32 ripped very well all of these IDE were placed about 45-50$ here. Ofcourse there is phlextor and Pioneer but does it pays to pay 100$ more for the difference between x12 and x16??? > >> >The thing rips at 16-18X (no problems. i use tosha), compared to 2X on > >> >my 24X IDE here. Is this because of CAM or is my CDROM hardware > >> >extraordinary? > >> > >> Uh, you _HAVE_ a 16X ripper? Fastest CD-R(W) I've seen released has > >> been an 8X. And the fastest hardware I've seen CD-R(W) drives built > >> to use has been Ultra SCSI 2 (my Yamaha CRW4416S). Plus, I've never > >> seen media designed to handle anything faster than 8X burn.. > Hi! > > Actual Toshiba and Plextor drives can do audio up to 32x speed. > (OK, the Teac 532S can do up to 10x under Wwindoze95 with special drivers, > otherwise only 4x, the Teac CD-R 55S does full 12x audio extraction, I use > Feurio for that purpose) > (OK-these numbers come from benches done on Windoze systems, some from > friends and magazine tests...) > > Regards > Olaf Hoyer > > - - - - - - - - > Olaf Hoyer ICQ: 22838075 mailto: Olaf.Hoyer@nightfire.de > home: www.nightfire.de (The home of the burning CPU) > > Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, > daß er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. > Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund > auch in dich hinein. > (Friedrich Nietzsche, Jenseits von Gut und Böse) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 4 7: 5:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mojave.sitaranetworks.com (mojave.sitaranetworks.com [199.103.141.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69ED314C05 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:05:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.sitaranetworks.com) Message-ID: <19991104100516.38920@mojave.sitaranetworks.com> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:05:16 -0500 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Customer excuses (was: [Oz-ISP] anyone else ??) Reply-To: Greg Lehey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Forwarded message from Adrian Chadd ----- > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:56:50 +0100 > To: aussie-isp@aussie.net > On Thu, Nov 04, 1999, Allan McDonald wrote: >> My latest one.. >> >> User: What is this charge for extra download on my bill? >> >> Tech: Sir, that was for data downloaded to your PC in excess of the >> 200Mb we allow. >> >> User: Well, can't you just take it back?? We don't really need it now >> anyway. >> > > Tech: Sure, but the universe requires us to convert you to energy to give > back to the universe .. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 4 7:12:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net (ith1-322.twcny.rr.com [24.24.11.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC7314C05 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:12:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc26@cornell.edu) Received: from localhost (cjc26@localhost) by tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04078 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:11:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc26@cornell.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net: cjc26 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:11:29 -0500 (EST) From: Cliff Crawford X-Sender: cjc26@tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Rare Glitch Project Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9911/03/rare.glitch.project.idg/index.html -- cliff crawford http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/cjc26/ -><- Shall she hear the lion's roar? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Nov 4 11:57: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from limbo.cdrom.com (limbo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0810915148 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:57:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@limbo.cdrom.com) Received: (from jim@localhost) by limbo.cdrom.com (8.10.0.Beta6/8.10.0.Beta6) id dA4JubM10116 for chat@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:56:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:56:37 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSDCon '99 Message-ID: <19991104115637.A10059@limbo.cdrom.com> Reply-To: jim@cdrom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've just put up the 'post-conference mode' version of the FreeBSDCon web site. It's got most of the talks (slides) available for browsing or download. It's also got links to all the pictures and press that I know about. If there are any that I'm missing, let me know and I'll add them to the list. - jim -- - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@cdrom.com - - phone: 925.691.2800 x3814 - fax: 925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - - freebsdzine - http://www.freebsdzine.org/ - jim@freebsdzine.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 6 14:28:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from guppy.pond.net (guppy.pond.net [205.240.25.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C6E14CC6 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:28:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmp@aracnet.com) Received: from aracnet.com (snapuser2-89.pacificcrest.net [216.36.34.89]) by guppy.pond.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06903 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:15:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3824AB99.A90271A2@aracnet.com> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 14:28:42 -0800 From: "D.M.P." Organization: dmp@aracnet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Official release by Greenbay CDROM? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was browsing eBay and found an auction for a FreeBSD 3.2 set: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=194999650 Look at the image, it says "Official Release by Greenbay CDROM". I thought the official releases came from WC? -- "Nothing is more noble, nothing more venerable than fidelity. Truth and faithfulness are the most sacred excellences and endowments of the human mind." -- Cicero To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 6 14:36: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0618514CC6 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:36:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28372; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:35:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991106153354.047abdf0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 15:35:42 -0700 To: "D.M.P." , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Official release by Greenbay CDROM? In-Reply-To: <3824AB99.A90271A2@aracnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The "official" release, at least in theory, comes from the FreeBSD Project. Walnut Creek duplicates that release, but should certainly not have a monopoly on doing so. If it did, FreeBSD would not be free at all. The packages being sold on EBay are 3.2, not 3.3, which means that they are dumping old inventory. --Brett At 02:28 PM 11/6/1999 -0800, D.M.P. wrote: >I was browsing eBay and found an auction for a FreeBSD 3.2 set: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=194999650 > >Look at the image, it says "Official Release by Greenbay CDROM". I >thought the official releases came from WC? > >-- >"Nothing is more noble, nothing more venerable than fidelity. Truth >and faithfulness are the most sacred excellences and endowments of >the human mind." -- Cicero > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message