From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 3:27:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7914014C0B for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 03:27:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA14548 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:27:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Aug 1999 02:54:58 PDT." <199908150954.CAA10006@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:27:57 +0200 Message-ID: <14546.934712877@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, autumn and winter is on us pretty soon. At least on my lattitude that means hot tea inside warm and cosy houses while the elements do their best to make life misserable for anything still left on the outside. Here are some tasks which could put an evening or more to productive and educational use for interested kernel hackers. They may also make a nice assignment for CS classes. 1. [easy] The SLIP device/interface could use the same makeover as tun, bpf and pty has received. (see also #5) 2. [easy] The PPP device/interface ditto. (see also #5) 3. [easy] The snp/snoop device/interface ditto. 4. [not quite easy] The CCD device ditto. Earn brownie points: Make ccdconfig use sysctl instead of libkvm to read back configuration. 5. [unknown] The I4B devices ditto. Contact hm@FreeBSD.org before starting on this one. 6. [medium] The TUN, SLIP and PPP interfaces should probably clean up all the way including a if_detach on last close. Earn brownie points: Do The Right Thing for SNMP. 7. [medium] The current naming for ptys doesn't scale that well. Changing it to ttyp%d / pty%d would probably be a good idea in the long run, but the ramifications are relatively widespread (think: "ports") 8. [pretty easy] Track the API documented in draft-mogul-pps-api-*.txt and implement it in FreeBSD. 9. [all winter] Write a proper DEVFS based on the new dev_t, which handles chroot/jail partitions and clone devices and has interface to a "devd" daemon which can DTRT when devices come and go. Have at it, and send patches with send-pr... Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 5:38: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2164814D35 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 05:38:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA09648; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:36:31 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:36:31 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers In-Reply-To: <14546.934712877@critter.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: [snip] > > 7. [medium] The current naming for ptys doesn't scale that > well. Changing it to ttyp%d / pty%d would probably be a > good idea in the long run, but the ramifications are > relatively widespread (think: "ports") > Which while being scaleable in one direction (you can have things like /dev/pty1234567890) as it is essentialy open ended, on the other hand: a) pty/tty names are now variable length b) the name length advances quite quickly as we add more ptys c) it is a totaly new "look and feel" So why not instead: a) have a constant that tells how long the tty name "suffix "is supposed to be (#define TTY_NAMSUFL 4, for example) b) encode the tty name as: pty/ttykl..l where k=[p-sP-S] and l=[0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuv] and the number of l-s is the number given above in TTY_NAMSUFL The current system would just be one where the number of "l-s" is hardwired to 1. Anybody who has been looking at tty names is used to base-32 anyways 8-) > > Poul-Henning > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member > phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." > FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! > Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 5:46:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723ED14D35 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 05:46:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA14856; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 14:46:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Narvi Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:36:31 +0300." Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 14:46:40 +0200 Message-ID: <14854.934721200@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Narvi writes: > >On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >[snip] > >> >> 7. [medium] The current naming for ptys doesn't scale that >> well. Changing it to ttyp%d / pty%d would probably be a >> good idea in the long run, but the ramifications are >> relatively widespread (think: "ports") >> > >Which while being scaleable in one direction (you can have things like >/dev/pty1234567890) as it is essentialy open ended, on the other hand: > > a) pty/tty names are now variable length > b) the name length advances quite quickly as we add more ptys > c) it is a totaly new "look and feel" > >So why not instead: I think that is needlessly complicated. I think tty%05d would solve all but the third of your objections, and quite frankly the "we've never done that before" argument works badly with me. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 5:56:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.netcologne.de (mail2.netcologne.de [194.8.194.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A831714E96 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 05:56:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dr@domix.de) Received: from domix.de (dial11-178.netcologne.de [195.14.233.178]) by mail2.netcologne.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16905 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 14:55:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from dr@localhost) by domix.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23941 for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 14:53:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from dr) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 14:53:53 +0200 From: Dominik Rothert To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: rm works not properly Message-ID: <19990815145353.A23918@speed.localnet.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i X-Encryption: PGP/GnuPG key available X-URL: http://www.domix.de X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello CURRENT-users, I noticed following (mysterious) behaviour today: [ snip ] <1> dr@speed:~ $ touch test/blah <1> dr@speed:~ $ ls -l test total 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 dr dr 0 Aug 15 14:52 blah <1> dr@speed:~ $ rm -rf test/ rm: test: Operation not permitted rm: test: Directory not empty <1> dr@speed:~ $ rm -rf test <1> dr@speed:~ $ ls -l test gnuls: test: No such file or directory [ snap ] My build is two hours old. Best wishes, Dominik Rothert. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 6:27:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B0F15259 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 06:27:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA09979; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:25:31 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:25:31 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers In-Reply-To: <14854.934721200@critter.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message , Narvi writes: > > > >On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > >[snip] > > > >> > >> 7. [medium] The current naming for ptys doesn't scale that > >> well. Changing it to ttyp%d / pty%d would probably be a > >> good idea in the long run, but the ramifications are > >> relatively widespread (think: "ports") > >> > > > >Which while being scaleable in one direction (you can have things like > >/dev/pty1234567890) as it is essentialy open ended, on the other hand: > > > > a) pty/tty names are now variable length > > b) the name length advances quite quickly as we add more ptys > > c) it is a totaly new "look and feel" > > > >So why not instead: > > I think that is needlessly complicated. It's a direct extension to the present tty naming scheme. > I think tty%05d would solve all but the third of your objections, The first was more a question of radix, implying that 10 might be too low. IMHO base-32 has many good qualities to itself. It makes retaining the policy of creating ptys in increments of 32 easy, the name space does not grow as fast (ptyxxxx allows for more ptys than pty%06d) and it is not much different from the naming system. > and quite frankly the "we've never done that before" argument > works badly with me. > It's more the argument of "why do it *significantly* differently from others?" > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member > phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." > FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! > Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 6:35:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285E21530C for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 06:35:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA15068; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:32:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Narvi Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:25:31 +0300." Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:32:49 +0200 Message-ID: <15066.934723969@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Narvi writes: >> I think that is needlessly complicated. > >It's a direct extension to the present tty naming scheme. That doesn't automatically imply that it is a good idea :-) >> I think tty%05d would solve all but the third of your objections, > >The first was more a question of radix, implying that 10 might be too low. You know, then make it tty%012d and pretty much everybody on this planet should be happy, right ? >IMHO base-32 has many good qualities to itself. It makes retaining the >policy of creating ptys in increments of 32 easy, the name space does not >grow as fast (ptyxxxx allows for more ptys than pty%06d) and it is not >much different from the naming system. There is no "policy of creating ptys in increments of 32" that I know of. /dev/MAKEDEV does it that way, but it is neither a policy nor desirable in my mind. I would far rather have it like tun, bpf and other sane pseudodevices: sh MAKEDEV pty200 # Make me 200 ptys. >> and quite frankly the "we've never done that before" argument >> works badly with me. > >It's more the argument of "why do it *significantly* differently from >others?" Run that by me again: what is it ptys are called under Solaris, HPUX, AIX, generic SVR4 etc etc ? I think your suggestion belongs in the Obfuscated Sysadm Contest, not in FreeBSD. I'm also pretty convinced based on your past performances that you intend to argue this point until cows evolve into birds, so expect no more emails from me on this subject. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 6:55:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gaia.euronet.nl (gaia.euronet.nl [194.134.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6AEA156A9 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 06:55:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-current@scc.nl) Received: from mail.scc.nl (i216.ztm.euronet.nl [194.134.67.17]) by gaia.euronet.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06012 from for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:54:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by mail.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06791 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:44:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd-current@scc.nl) Received: from GATEWAY by scones.sup.scc.nl with netnews for current@FreeBSD.ORG (current@FreeBSD.ORG) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:44:05 +0000 From: Marcel Moolenaar Message-ID: <37B6C425.CB48277A@scc.nl> Organization: SCC vof Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, There're a couple of variables in the Linuxulator that can be put under sysctl. These include the kernel version and the OSS version, among probably others. The question is simply were in the MIB to put them? 1) under "kern.linux" 2) under "kern.emu.linux" 3) under "linux" 4) non of the above, because... thanks, -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ Amsterdam, The Netherlands tel: +31 20 4200655 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 7: 3:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8BC614C22 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 07:03:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA15195; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:00:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:44:05 -0000." <37B6C425.CB48277A@scc.nl> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:00:59 +0200 Message-ID: <15193.934725659@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <37B6C425.CB48277A@scc.nl>, Marcel Moolenaar writes: >Hi, > >There're a couple of variables in the Linuxulator that can be put under >sysctl. These include the kernel version and the OSS version, among >probably others. > >The question is simply were in the MIB to put them? >1) under "kern.linux" >2) under "kern.emu.linux" >3) under "linux" I vote for 3. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 9: 1:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98EA415137 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:01:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA02608; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 08:59:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 08:59:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908151559.IAA02608@apollo.backplane.com> To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables References: <15193.934725659@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :>2) under "kern.emu.linux" :>3) under "linux" : :I vote for 3. : :-- :Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member :phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." :FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! Ditto. Linux emulation is going to become increasingly important, burying deep would just make everyone's life more difficult. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 10: 4:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CC6156D0 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:04:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA11544; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:03:23 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:03:22 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: Randy Bush Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pex5 and xie load errors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 14 Aug 1999, Randy Bush wrote: > i just upgraded to current. i still have the following in my > /etc/XF86Config > > Section "Module" > Load "pex5.so" > Load "xie.so" > EndSection > > during X startup i get load errors for these. but i can see nothing unappy > with X. do i > delete them from /etc/XF86Config > or > rebuild X > or > what? > Rebuilding X won't help last I tried. They have been broken for quite some time now. Seems there aren't enough people who care enough. > thanks. > > randy > Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 10:17:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D08151F3 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:17:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA81155; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:16:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: janus.syracuse.net: green owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:16:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian F. Feldman" X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-Reply-To: <15193.934725659@critter.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >The question is simply were in the MIB to put them? >... > >3) under "linux" > > I vote for 3. I suppose, but wouldn't the proper place be under machdep? I agree that a linux top-level MIB would be easiest to remember. > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member > phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." > FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! Brian Fundakowski Feldman _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ green@FreeBSD.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ | _ \._ \ |) | http://www.FreeBSD.org/ _ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 10:23:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06F014C38 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:23:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA81258; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:21:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: janus.syracuse.net: green owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:21:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian F. Feldman" X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: Narvi Cc: Randy Bush , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: pex5 and xie load errors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Narvi wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Aug 1999, Randy Bush wrote: > > > during X startup i get load errors for these. but i can see nothing unappy > > with X. do i > > delete them from /etc/XF86Config > > or > > rebuild X > > or > > what? > > > > Rebuilding X won't help last I tried. They have been broken for quite some > time now. Seems there aren't enough people who care enough. Well, by "they" I hope you don't intend to mean modules in general. I am happily using my Riva TNT with XFree86 3.3.3.1, which is a module (the GLX): Section "Module" Load "glx.so" EndSection (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values (--) no ModulePath specified using default: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules GLX extension module for XFree86 3.3.3.1 -- Mesa version 3.0 GLX package version 0.9, GLX protocol version 1.2. (**) module glx.so successfully loaded from /usr/X11R6/lib/modules So what are the specific errors you get? > > randy > > > > Sander > > There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - > all these are just illusions. Brian Fundakowski Feldman _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ green@FreeBSD.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ | _ \._ \ |) | http://www.FreeBSD.org/ _ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 10:23:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5FD4153B2; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:23:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA15747; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:22:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: "Brian F. Feldman" Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:16:03 EDT." Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:22:02 +0200 Message-ID: <15745.934737722@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , "Brian F. Feldman" writes: >On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> >The question is simply were in the MIB to put them? >>... >> >3) under "linux" >> >> I vote for 3. > >I suppose, but wouldn't the proper place be under machdep? I agree that >a linux top-level MIB would be easiest to remember. We may have to emulate linux on other platforms as well... -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 10:30:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles521.castles.com [208.214.165.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9EB1538B for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13658; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:24:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908151724.KAA13658@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:44:05 -0000." <37B6C425.CB48277A@scc.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:24:30 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi, > > There're a couple of variables in the Linuxulator that can be put under > sysctl. These include the kernel version and the OSS version, among > probably others. > > The question is simply were in the MIB to put them? > 1) under "kern.linux" > 2) under "kern.emu.linux" > 3) under "linux" > 4) non of the above, because... kern.abi.linux or kern.compat.linux. We're staying away from the term "emulation" because it's being associated with things like the abominable 'lxrun' and virtual-machine emulators like VMware. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 10:42:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85FC7151F3; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:42:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA11842; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:41:02 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:41:02 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: "Brian F. Feldman" Cc: Randy Bush , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pex5 and xie load errors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Brian F. Feldman wrote: > Well, by "they" I hope you don't intend to mean modules in general. I am > happily using my Riva TNT with XFree86 3.3.3.1, which is a module (the GLX): > I mean specificly the pex.so module (xie module also usewd to be broken). > So what are the specific errors you get? > Unknown error loading module. Nothing more specific. I guess either everybody using pex on freebsd has fixed it for themselves or there are no such people. It is broken for many-many months. > Brian Fundakowski Feldman _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ > green@FreeBSD.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ > FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ | _ \._ \ |) | > http://www.FreeBSD.org/ _ |___/___/___/ > > Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 12:28:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from fep2.post.tele.dk (fep2.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D200E14C12 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:28:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pho@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.org ([195.249.209.160]) by fep2.post.tele.dk (InterMail v4.0 201-221) with ESMTP id <19990815192855.VJKM22743.fep2@freebsd.org>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:28:55 +0200 Message-ID: <37B73179.12211A8C@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:30:33 +0200 From: Peter Holm X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominik Rothert , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rm works not properly References: <19990815145353.A23918@speed.localnet.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dominik Rothert wrote: > Hello CURRENT-users, > > I noticed following (mysterious) behaviour today: > > [ snip ] > > <1> dr@speed:~ $ rm -rf test/ > rm: test: Operation not permitted > rm: test: Directory not empty This was caused by my fix to fts.c. I have reverted to revision 1.8. Sorry for the inconvenience. Regards, -- Peter Holm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 12:44: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D0614D75; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:43:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from localhost (4015 bytes) by rip.psg.com via sendmail with P:stdio/R:inet_resolve/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:44:23 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #1 built 1999-Apr-1) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:44:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 To: FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD MultiMedia Subject: make of vic broken in current Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG YysrIC1PMiAtRFVTRV9TSE0gLURFRF9ZQklUUz00IC1EU0lHUkVUPXZvaWQgICAtSS91c3Iv bG9jYWwvaW5jbHVkZS90azguMCAtSS91c3IvbG9jYWwvaW5jbHVkZS90Y2w4LjAgIC1JL3Vz ci9YMTFSNi9pbmNsdWRlICAtSS4vanBlZyAtSS4vcDY0IC1JLiAgLW8gdmljIGluZXQubyBj ZWxsYl90YWJsZXMubyB0a1N0cmlwY2hhcnQubyBtZDVjLm8gcmFuZG9tLm8gbWFpbi5vIG5l dC5vIG5ldC1pcC5vIHNvdXJjZS5vICBpb2hhbmRsZXIubyB0aW1lci5vIGlkbGVjYWxsYmFj ay5vIG1lZGlhLXRpbWVyLm8gIHNlc3Npb24ubyBzZXNzaW9uLXJ0cHYxLm8gc2Vzc2lvbi1u di5vIHNlc3Npb24taXZzLm8gIGRlY29kZXIubyBkZWNvZGVyLWpwZWcubyBkZWNvZGVyLW52 Lm8gIGRlY29kZXItaDI2MS5vIGRlY29kZXItaDI2MXYxLm8gIGRlY29kZXItY2VsbGIubyAg ZGV2aWNlLm8gZ3JhYmJlci5vIHZ3Lm8gVGNsLm8gVGNsMi5vIG1vZHVsZS5vIHRyYW5zbWl0 dGVyLm8gIGVuY29kZXItbnYubyBlbmNvZGVyLWNlbGxiLm8gZW5jb2Rlci1oMjYxLm8gIHRy YW5zY29kZXItanBlZy5vIGZyYW1lci1qcGVnLm8gIGdyb3VwLWlwYy5vIGNvbmZidXMubyBy ZW5kZXJlci5vIHJlbmRlcmVyLXdpbmRvdy5vICBjb2xvci5vIGNvbG9yLXRydWUubyBjb2xv ci1wc2V1ZG8ubyBjb2xvci1kaXRoZXIubyBjb2xvci1lZC5vICBjb2xvci1xdWFudC5vIGNv bG9yLWhpLm8gY29sb3ItZ3JheS5vIGNvbG9yLW1vbm8ubyBjb2xvci1oaXN0Lm8gIHJnYi1j b252ZXJ0ZXIubyBqcGVnL2pwZWcubyBwNjQvcDY0Lm8gZGN0Lm8gIGNvbXBvc2l0b3IubyBy YXRlLXZhcmlhYmxlLm8gY3J5cHQubyBjcnlwdC1kdWxsLm8gIGdyYWJiZXItc3RpbGwubyBj bTAubyBjbTEubyBodWZmY29kZS5vIHZlcnNpb24ubyBidi5vICB1aS1jdHJsbWVudS5vIHVp LW1haW4ubyB1aS1yZXNvdXJjZS5vIHVpLXNyY2xpc3QubyB1aS1zdGF0cy5vIHVpLXV0aWwu byB1aS13aW5kb3dzLm8gdWktc3dpdGNoZXIubyB1aS1leHRvdXQubyB1aS1ncmFiYmVyLm8g dWktdW5peC5vIGNmLW1haW4ubyBjZi10bS5vIGNmLWNvbmZidXMubyBjZi1uZXR3b3JrLm8g Y2YtdXRpbC5vIHRrZXJyb3IubyBlbnRyeS5vIHRrLm8gc3RydG9sLm8gc3RydG91bC5vICBn cmFiYmVyLXgxMS5jYyBncmFiYmVyLW1ldGVvci5vICAtTC91c3IvbG9jYWwvbGliIC1sdGs4 MCAtTC91c3IvbG9jYWwvbGliIC1sdGNsODAgLUwvdXNyL1gxMVI2L2xpYiAtbFhleHQgLWxY MTEgIC1sbSANCmdyYWJiZXIteDExLmNjOiBJbiBtZXRob2QgYFgxMURldmljZTo6WDExRGV2 aWNlKGNvbnN0IGNoYXIgKiknOg0KZ3JhYmJlci14MTEuY2M6MTk0OiB3YXJuaW5nOiB0aGUg YWRkcmVzcyBvZiBgZnJlZSh2b2lkICopJywgd2lsbCBhbHdheXMgYmUgYHRydWUnDQpncmFi YmVyLXgxMS5jYzogSW4gbWV0aG9kIGBpbnQgWDExR3JhYmJlcjo6WDExR3JhYl9Jbml0aWFs aXplKFdpbmRvdywgaW50LCBpbnQpJzoNCmdyYWJiZXIteDExLmNjOjU3Mjogd2FybmluZzog YXNzdW1pbmcgJiBvbiBgWDExR3JhYmJlcjo6WDExR3JhYl9MU0JXaGl0ZTEoKScNCmdyYWJi ZXIteDExLmNjOjU3Mjogd2FybmluZzogYXNzdW1pbmcgJiBvbiBgWDExR3JhYmJlcjo6WDEx R3JhYl9NU0JXaGl0ZTEoKScNCmdyYWJiZXIteDExLmNjOjU3NDogd2FybmluZzogYXNzdW1p bmcgJiBvbiBgWDExR3JhYmJlcjo6WDExR3JhYl9MU0JCbGFjazEoKScNCmdyYWJiZXIteDEx LmNjOjU3NDogd2FybmluZzogYXNzdW1pbmcgJiBvbiBgWDExR3JhYmJlcjo6WDExR3JhYl9N U0JCbGFjazEoKScNCmdyYWJiZXIteDExLmNjOjU4NTogd2FybmluZzogYXNzdW1pbmcgJiBv biBgWDExR3JhYmJlcjo6WDExR3JhYl9Qc2V1ZG84KCknDQpncmFiYmVyLXgxMS5jYzo1OTU6 IHdhcm5pbmc6IGFzc3VtaW5nICYgb24gYFgxMUdyYWJiZXI6OlgxMUdyYWJfUkdCMTYoKScN CmdyYWJiZXIteDExLmNjOjYwOTogd2FybmluZzogYXNzdW1pbmcgJiBvbiBgWDExR3JhYmJl cjo6WDExR3JhYl9UcnVlWEJHUjI0KCknDQpncmFiYmVyLXgxMS5jYzo2Mjc6IHdhcm5pbmc6 IGltcGxpY2l0IGRlY2xhcmF0aW9uIG9mIGZ1bmN0aW9uIGBpbnQgVmlkVXRpbF9EZXN0cm95 WEltYWdlKC4uLiknDQpncmFiYmVyLXgxMS5jYzogSW4gbWV0aG9kIGBYMTFHcmFiYmVyOjpY MTFHcmFiYmVyKGNvbnN0IGNoYXIgKiwgY29uc3QgY2hhciAqKSc6DQpncmFiYmVyLXgxMS5j YzoxMDE0OiB3YXJuaW5nOiBhc3NpZ25tZW50IHRvIGBpbnQ4IConIGZyb20gYHVpbnQ4ICon IGNoYW5nZXMgc2lnbmVkbmVzcw0KZ3JhYmJlci14MTEuY2M6MTAxNTogd2FybmluZzogYXNz aWdubWVudCB0byBgaW50OCAqJyBmcm9tIGB1aW50OCAqJyBjaGFuZ2VzIHNpZ25lZG5lc3MN CmdyYWJiZXIteDExLmNjOiBJbiBtZXRob2QgYGludCBYMTFHcmFiYmVyOjpjYXB0dXJlKCkn Og0KZ3JhYmJlci14MTEuY2M6MTE4ODogd2FybmluZzogaW1wbGljaXQgZGVjbGFyYXRpb24g b2YgZnVuY3Rpb24gYGludCBYU2htR2V0SW1hZ2UoLi4uKScNCmdyYWJiZXIteDExLmNjOjEx OTQ6IG11c3QgdXNlIC4qIG9yIC0+KiB0byBjYWxsIHBvaW50ZXItdG8tbWVtYmVyIGZ1bmN0 aW9uIGluIGBYMTFHcmFiYmVyOjpjX2dyYWIgKC4uLiknDQoqKiogRXJyb3IgY29kZSAxDQoN Cmkgc3VzcGVjdCB0aGUgbGF0dGVyIGZvcm0gaXMgd2hhdCBpcyBkZXNpcmVkLCBidXQgYW0g bm90IHN1cmUuDQoNCnJhbmR5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 12:48:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC8114D75 for ; 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(8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11039; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:48:17 +0200 From: Peter Mutsaers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14263.6529.323708.430669@muon.xs4all.nl> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:48:17 +0200 (CEST) To: Mike Smith Cc: Peter Mutsaers , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: recent apm changes In-Reply-To: <199908141954.MAA07929@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <14261.51641.622430.411111@muon.xs4all.nl> <199908141954.MAA07929@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.65 under Emacs 20.3.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> "MS" == Mike Smith writes: >> >> "MS" == Mike Smith writes: >> >> >> Then after 5 seconds the screen blanks, the power light starts >> >> flashing (indicating suspend mode), but when I hit a key, the >> >> console says (slept 00:00:02) only, and programs in fact >> >> continued running (thus it didn't go or remain in suspend mode >> >> at all). >> MS> I think you'll find that programs didn't, in fact, continue MS> running; rather they paused and then resumed when you came out MS> of suspend. >> >> I'm running seti@home, and it really continued while my >> computer was 'suspended'. Also a little test program continued >> running. MS> What you're failing to offer here, and thus why I remain MS> skeptical, is any evidence that suggests that these programs MS> were "running" while the system believed itself to be MS> suspended. I can see that after one hour of 'suspend' mode, the program has done for one hour worth of calculations. Really, I am not insane and know when my programs have run and done work and when not. -- Peter Mutsaers | Abcoude (Utrecht), | Trust me, I know plm@xs4all.nl | the Netherlands | what I'm doing. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 12:56:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B8315155; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:56:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from localhost (3261 bytes) by rip.psg.com via sendmail with P:stdio/R:inet_resolve/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:54:25 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #1 built 1999-Apr-1) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:54:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: FreeBSD Current , FreeBSD MultiMedia Subject: make of vic broken in current Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG excuse previous gibberish. i am at a loss as to how it happened, maybe vm dealing with a very looooong line. i hope it is not reproducable. -current as of 99.08.14 c++ -O2 -DUSE_SHM -DED_YBITS=4 -DSIGRET=void -I/usr/local/include/tk8.0 \ -I/usr/local/include/tcl8.0 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I./jpeg -I./p64 -I. \ -o vic inet.o cellb_tables.o tkStripchart.o md5c.o random.o main.o net.o \ net-ip.o source.o iohandler.o timer.o idlecallback.o media-timer.o \ session.o session-rtpv1.o session-nv.o session-ivs.o decoder.o \ decoder-jpeg.o decoder-nv.o decoder-h261.o decoder-h261v1.o \ decoder-cellb.o device.o grabber.o vw.o Tcl.o Tcl2.o module.o \ transmitter.o encoder-nv.o encoder-cellb.o encoder-h261.o \ transcoder-jpeg.o framer-jpeg.o group-ipc.o confbus.o renderer.o \ renderer-window.o color.o color-true.o color-pseudo.o color-dither.o \ color-ed.o color-quant.o color-hi.o color-gray.o color-mono.o \ color-hist.o rgb-converter.o jpeg/jpeg.o p64/p64.o dct.o compositor.o \ rate-variable.o crypt.o crypt-dull.o grabber-still.o cm0.o cm1.o \ huffcode.o version.o bv.o ui-ctrlmenu.o ui-main.o ui-resource.o \ ui-srclist.o ui-stats.o ui-util.o ui-windows.o ui-switcher.o ui-extout.o \ ui-grabber.o ui-unix.o cf-main.o cf-tm.o cf-confbus.o cf-network.o \ cf-util.o tkerror.o entry.o tk.o strtol.o strtoul.o grabber-x11.cc \ grabber-meteor.o -L/usr/local/lib -ltk80 -L/usr/local/lib -ltcl80 \ -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXext -lX11 -lm grabber-x11.cc: In method `X11Device::X11Device(const char *)': grabber-x11.cc:194: warning: the address of `free(void *)', will always be `true' grabber-x11.cc: In method `int X11Grabber::X11Grab_Initialize(Window, int, int)': grabber-x11.cc:572: warning: assuming & on `X11Grabber::X11Grab_LSBWhite1()' grabber-x11.cc:572: warning: assuming & on `X11Grabber::X11Grab_MSBWhite1()' grabber-x11.cc:574: warning: assuming & on `X11Grabber::X11Grab_LSBBlack1()' grabber-x11.cc:574: warning: assuming & on `X11Grabber::X11Grab_MSBBlack1()' grabber-x11.cc:585: warning: assuming & on `X11Grabber::X11Grab_Pseudo8()' grabber-x11.cc:595: warning: assuming & on `X11Grabber::X11Grab_RGB16()' grabber-x11.cc:609: warning: assuming & on `X11Grabber::X11Grab_TrueXBGR24()' grabber-x11.cc:627: warning: implicit declaration of function `int VidUtil_DestroyXImage(...)' grabber-x11.cc: In method `X11Grabber::X11Grabber(const char *, const char *)': grabber-x11.cc:1014: warning: assignment to `int8 *' from `uint8 *' changes signedness grabber-x11.cc:1015: warning: assignment to `int8 *' from `uint8 *' changes signedness grabber-x11.cc: In method `int X11Grabber::capture()': grabber-x11.cc:1188: warning: implicit declaration of function `int XShmGetImage(...)' grabber-x11.cc:1194: must use .* or ->* to call pointer-to-member function in `X11Grabber::c_grab (...)' *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 13:11:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF971538B for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:11:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from localhost (10416 bytes) by rip.psg.com via sendmail with P:stdio/R:inet_resolve/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:11:33 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #1 built 1999-Apr-1) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:11:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: FreeBSD Current Subject: make cvsup broken Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ===> Cleaning for cvsup-16.0 To build this port without X11 (and without the GUI), define "NO_X11". >> cvsup-16.0.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist on this system. >> Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/development/CVSup/. Receiving cvsup-16.0.tar.gz (342698 bytes): 100% 342698 bytes transferred in 6.7 seconds (49.86 Kbytes/s) ===> Extracting for cvsup-16.0 >> Checksum OK for cvsup-16.0.tar.gz. ===> cvsup-16.0 depends on executable: m3build-6 - found ===> cvsup-16.0 depends on shared library: m3.6 - found ===> Patching for cvsup-16.0 ===> Configuring for cvsup-16.0 ===> Building for cvsup-16.0 mkdir FreeBSD2 --- building in FreeBSD2 --- ===> suptcp m3build mkdir FreeBSD2 --- building in FreeBSD2 --- m3 -w1 -why -O -a libsuptcp.a -F/var/tmp/qkG99460 new source -> compiling ../src/common/SupConnFD.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/common/SupTCP.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/POSIX/SupTCPPosix.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/POSIX/SupTCPHack.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/POSIX/SockOpt.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/common/TCPMisc.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/common/SupConnRW.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/POSIX/SupTCP.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/POSIX/SupTCPHackNull.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/POSIX/SockOptFBSD.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/common/SupConnRW.m3 -> archiving libsuptcp.a ===> suplib m3build mkdir FreeBSD2 --- building in FreeBSD2 --- m3 -w1 -why -O -a libsuplib.a -F/var/tmp/qkH99492 new source -> compiling ../src/FreeBSD/FileAttrOS.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/FreeBSD/UProcTitle.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/FreeBSD/UProcTitle.c new source -> compiling ../src/libglob/fnmatch.c new source -> compiling ../src/Uglob.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/PathComp.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/ChannelMux.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/Logger.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/LoggerClass.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/SplitLogger.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/SysLogger.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/TimeStampLogger.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/WrLogger.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/ProcTitle.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/Ugzip.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/UgzipP.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/Umd5.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/MySyslog.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/WatchDog.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/IOWatchDog.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/MD5Digest.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/MD5.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/AuthMD5.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/TokScan.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/DevT.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/FileAttr.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/FileAttrRep.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/FileID.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/CVProto.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/EscapedRd.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/EscapedWr.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/MD5Wr.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/ErrMsg.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/DirEntry.i3 new source -> compiling DirEntryList.i3 new source -> compiling DirEntryListSort.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/Glob.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/GlobTree.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/LockFile.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/ExecRec.i3 new source -> compiling ExecRecSeq.i3 new source -> compiling ExecRecSeqRep.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSError.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSString.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSPhrase.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSPhrases.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSDate.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSRevNum.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSTag.i3 new source -> compiling RCSTagList.i3 new source -> compiling RCSTagListSort.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSEdit.i3 new source -> compiling RCSEditTbl.i3 new source -> compiling SortedRCSEditTbl.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSDelta.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSKeyword.i3 new source -> compiling RCSDeltaTbl.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSFile.i3 new source -> compiling RCSDeltaList.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSDeltaClass.i3 new source -> compiling RCSDeltaListSort.i3 new source -> compiling SortedRCSDeltaTbl.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/SupFileRec.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/SupMisc.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/FileStatus.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/FileStatusRaw.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/StatusFile.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/CVTree.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/GzipError.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/GzipRd.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/GzipWr.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/RsyncBlock.i3 new source -> compiling RsyncBlockArraySort.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/RsyncFile.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/Reaper.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/SigHandler.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/UnixMisc.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/UnixMiscC.c new source -> compiling ../src/Attic.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/FreeBSD/FileAttrOS.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/FreeBSD/ProcTitle.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/PathComp.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/ChannelMux.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/Logger.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/SplitLogger.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/SysLogger.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/TimeStampLogger.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/WrLogger.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/Ugzip.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/WatchDog.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/IOWatchDog.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/MD5Digest.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/MD5.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/AuthMD5.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/TokScan.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/FileAttr.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/FileID.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/CVProto.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/EscapedRd.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/EscapedWr.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/MD5Wr.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/ErrMsg.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/DirEntry.m3 new source -> compiling DirEntryList.m3 new source -> compiling DirEntryListSort.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/Glob.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/GlobTree.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/LockFile.m3 new source -> compiling ExecRecSeq.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSString.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSPhrase.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSPhrases.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSDate.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSRevNum.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSTag.m3 new source -> compiling RCSTagList.m3 new source -> compiling RCSTagListSort.m3 new source -> compiling RCSEditTbl.m3 new source -> compiling SortedRCSEditTbl.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSDelta.m3 new source -> compiling RCSDeltaList.m3 new source -> compiling RCSDeltaListSort.m3 new source -> compiling RCSDeltaTbl.m3 new source -> compiling SortedRCSDeltaTbl.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSKeyword.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSFile.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/SupFileRec.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/SupMisc.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/SupMiscText.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/FileStatus.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/StatusFile.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/CVTree.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/GzipError.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/GzipRd.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/GzipWr.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/RsyncBlock.m3 new source -> compiling RsyncBlockArraySort.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/RsyncFile.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/Reaper.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/SigHandler.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/UnixMisc.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/Attic.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/dev_t_posix/DevT.m3 -> archiving libsuplib.a ===> server m3build mkdir FreeBSD2 --- building in FreeBSD2 --- m3 -w1 -why -O -o cvsupd -F/var/tmp/qkv99832 new source -> compiling ../src/Version.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/FileInfo.i3 new source -> compiling FileInfoMerger.i3 new source -> compiling LinkTbl.i3 new source -> compiling RCSDeltaMerger.i3 new source -> compiling RCSTagMerger.i3 new source -> compiling SupFileRecSeq.i3 new source -> compiling SupFileRecSeqRep.i3 new source -> compiling FileAttrSeq.i3 new source -> compiling FileAttrSeqRep.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/ParsedDelta.i3 new source -> compiling ParsedDeltaList.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/AccessRules.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/Passwd.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSComp.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/TreeComp.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/FSServer.i3 new source -> compiling ../src/FSServerRep.i3 new source -> compiling Version.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/FileInfo.m3 new source -> compiling FileInfoMerger.m3 new source -> compiling LinkTbl.m3 new source -> compiling RCSDeltaMerger.m3 new source -> compiling RCSTagMerger.m3 new source -> compiling SupFileRecSeq.m3 new source -> compiling FileAttrSeq.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/ParsedDelta.m3 new source -> compiling ParsedDeltaList.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/AccessRules.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/Passwd.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/RCSComp.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/TreeComp.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/FSServer.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/FSServerU.m3 new source -> compiling ../src/Main.m3 -> linking cvsupd ===> client m3build mkdir FreeBSD2 --- building in FreeBSD2 --- "/usr/ports/net/cvsup/work/cvsup-16.0/client/src/m3makefile", line 1: unable to read ".M3EXPORTS" from directory "FreeBSD2" of package "formsvbt" (/usr/local/lib/m3/pkg/formsvbt) *** call stack *** "/usr/ports/net/cvsup/work/cvsup-16.0/client/src/m3makefile", line 1: call to built-in error "/usr/ports/net/cvsup/work/cvsup-16.0/client/src/m3makefile", line 630: call to procedure M3include "/usr/local/lib/m3/pkg/m3build/templates/COMMON", line 619: call to procedure import_version "/usr/ports/net/cvsup/work/cvsup-16.0/client/src/m3makefile", line 86: call to procedure import m3build: /usr/local/bin/quake failed (status = 256) *** Error code 255 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 13:18:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 89A4B1538B; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:18:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA21997; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:41:45 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199908151741.TAA21997@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: make of vic broken in current To: randy@psg.com (Randy Bush) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:41:45 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Randy Bush" at Aug 15, 99 12:54:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3462 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > excuse previous gibberish. i am at a loss as to how it happened, maybe vm > dealing with a very looooong line. i hope it is not reproducable. > > -current as of 99.08.14 could it be the compiler was upgraded recently ? I wrote grabber-x11.cc but i am far from being C++ literate so the most i could do is check that it would compile on the platform i was using (2.2.x at the time). Some review and cleanup from someone who knows C++ would be very welcome. cheers luigi > > c++ -O2 -DUSE_SHM -DED_YBITS=4 -DSIGRET=void -I/usr/local/include/tk8.0 \ > -I/usr/local/include/tcl8.0 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I./jpeg -I./p64 -I. \ > -o vic inet.o cellb_tables.o tkStripchart.o md5c.o random.o main.o net.o \ > net-ip.o source.o iohandler.o timer.o idlecallback.o media-timer.o \ > session.o session-rtpv1.o session-nv.o session-ivs.o decoder.o \ > decoder-jpeg.o decoder-nv.o decoder-h261.o decoder-h261v1.o \ > decoder-cellb.o device.o grabber.o vw.o Tcl.o Tcl2.o module.o \ > transmitter.o encoder-nv.o encoder-cellb.o encoder-h261.o \ > transcoder-jpeg.o framer-jpeg.o group-ipc.o confbus.o renderer.o \ > renderer-window.o color.o color-true.o color-pseudo.o color-dither.o \ > color-ed.o color-quant.o color-hi.o color-gray.o color-mono.o \ > color-hist.o rgb-converter.o jpeg/jpeg.o p64/p64.o dct.o compositor.o \ > rate-variable.o crypt.o crypt-dull.o grabber-still.o cm0.o cm1.o \ > huffcode.o version.o bv.o ui-ctrlmenu.o ui-main.o ui-resource.o \ > ui-srclist.o ui-stats.o ui-util.o ui-windows.o ui-switcher.o ui-extout.o \ > ui-grabber.o ui-unix.o cf-main.o cf-tm.o cf-confbus.o cf-network.o \ > cf-util.o tkerror.o entry.o tk.o strtol.o strtoul.o grabber-x11.cc \ > grabber-meteor.o -L/usr/local/lib -ltk80 -L/usr/local/lib -ltcl80 \ > -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXext -lX11 -lm > grabber-x11.cc: In method `X11Device::X11Device(const char *)': > grabber-x11.cc:194: warning: the address of `free(void *)', will always be `true' > grabber-x11.cc: In method `int X11Grabber::X11Grab_Initialize(Window, int, int)': > grabber-x11.cc:572: warning: assuming & on `X11Grabber::X11Grab_LSBWhite1()' > grabber-x11.cc:572: warning: assuming & on `X11Grabber::X11Grab_MSBWhite1()' > grabber-x11.cc:574: warning: assuming & on `X11Grabber::X11Grab_LSBBlack1()' > grabber-x11.cc:574: warning: assuming & on `X11Grabber::X11Grab_MSBBlack1()' > grabber-x11.cc:585: warning: assuming & on `X11Grabber::X11Grab_Pseudo8()' > grabber-x11.cc:595: warning: assuming & on `X11Grabber::X11Grab_RGB16()' > grabber-x11.cc:609: warning: assuming & on `X11Grabber::X11Grab_TrueXBGR24()' > grabber-x11.cc:627: warning: implicit declaration of function `int VidUtil_DestroyXImage(...)' > grabber-x11.cc: In method `X11Grabber::X11Grabber(const char *, const char *)': > grabber-x11.cc:1014: warning: assignment to `int8 *' from `uint8 *' changes signedness > grabber-x11.cc:1015: warning: assignment to `int8 *' from `uint8 *' changes signedness > grabber-x11.cc: In method `int X11Grabber::capture()': > grabber-x11.cc:1188: warning: implicit declaration of function `int XShmGetImage(...)' > grabber-x11.cc:1194: must use .* or ->* to call pointer-to-member function in `X11Grabber::c_grab (...)' > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-multimedia" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 16:32: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0900714BF4 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:31:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id IAA29773; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:29:39 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <37B73D87.8414A553@newsguy.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:21:59 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Narvi Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Narvi wrote: > > > >So why not instead: > > > > I think that is needlessly complicated. > > It's a direct extension to the present tty naming scheme. That's what he said: it's needlessly complicated. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "You intend to eat me, then?" he asked the dragon. "Well, I must admit, more for the amusement than the taste." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 16:45: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD6914C06 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:44:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA03129; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:15:02 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id JAA04947; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:14:46 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:14:45 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers Message-ID: <19990816091445.F799@freebie.lemis.com> References: <199908150954.CAA10006@freefall.freebsd.org> <14546.934712877@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <14546.934712877@critter.freebsd.dk>; from Poul-Henning Kamp on Sun, Aug 15, 1999 at 12:27:57PM +0200 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 15 August 1999 at 12:27:57 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > Well, autumn and winter is on us pretty soon. At least on my > lattitude that means hot tea inside warm and cosy houses while the > elements do their best to make life misserable for anything still > left on the outside. > > Here are some tasks which could put an evening or more to > productive and educational use for interested kernel hackers. > > They may also make a nice assignment for CS classes. > > 1. [easy] The SLIP device/interface could use the same > makeover as tun, bpf and pty has received. (see also #5) Care to explain (read: document) the makeover? That would make this and the following tasks even simpler. > 7. [medium] The current naming for ptys doesn't scale that > well. Changing it to ttyp%d / pty%d would probably be a > good idea in the long run, but the ramifications are > relatively widespread (think: "ports") Is there any reason not to have both names, at least for the first 256 devices? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 17:38:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8108153CC for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 17:38:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA19111; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:37:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:37:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199908160037.UAA19111@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers In-Reply-To: <14546.934712877@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <199908150954.CAA10006@freefall.freebsd.org> <14546.934712877@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > Here are some tasks which could put an evening or more to > productive and educational use for interested kernel hackers. But by all means, if you start on one of these, TELL someone about it, eh? -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 21:22:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7DA15479 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:22:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA17405; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 06:22:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Greg Lehey Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:14:45 +0930." <19990816091445.F799@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 06:22:27 +0200 Message-ID: <17403.934777347@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <19990816091445.F799@freebie.lemis.com>, Greg Lehey writes: >On Sunday, 15 August 1999 at 12:27:57 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> >> Well, autumn and winter is on us pretty soon. At least on my >> lattitude that means hot tea inside warm and cosy houses while the >> elements do their best to make life misserable for anything still >> left on the outside. >> >> Here are some tasks which could put an evening or more to >> productive and educational use for interested kernel hackers. >> >> They may also make a nice assignment for CS classes. >> >> 1. [easy] The SLIP device/interface could use the same >> makeover as tun, bpf and pty has received. (see also #5) > >Care to explain (read: document) the makeover? That would make this >and the following tasks even simpler. Please examine the most recent commit to tun, bpf or pty. That is much easier than me explaining it. >> 7. [medium] The current naming for ptys doesn't scale that >> well. Changing it to ttyp%d / pty%d would probably be a >> good idea in the long run, but the ramifications are >> relatively widespread (think: "ports") > >Is there any reason not to have both names, at least for the first 256 >devices? Size of /dev directory maybe ? I dunno, who ever implements this can do it however they like... -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 21:30: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F2714BD0 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:29:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA37309; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:29:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA27153; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:30:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908160430.WAA27153@harmony.village.org> To: Narvi Subject: Re: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:25:31 +0300." References: Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:30:24 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Narvi writes: : It's more the argument of "why do it *significantly* differently from : others?" VMS has done the PTYxxxxx: since the mid 80's :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 21:31:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0767714BD0; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:31:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA37322; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:31:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA27173; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:31:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908160431.WAA27173@harmony.village.org> To: "Brian F. Feldman" Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:16:03 EDT." References: Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:31:37 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message "Brian F. Feldman" writes: : I suppose, but wouldn't the proper place be under machdep? I agree that : a linux top-level MIB would be easiest to remember. Linux isn't machdep. It is MI since we could have Linux/Alpha or Linux/MIPS emulators... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 21:33:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8929115105 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:33:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA37329; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:32:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id WAA27186; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:32:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908160432.WAA27186@harmony.village.org> To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:24:30 PDT." <199908151724.KAA13658@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <199908151724.KAA13658@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:32:55 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199908151724.KAA13658@dingo.cdrom.com> Mike Smith writes: : We're staying away from the term "emulation" because it's being : associated with things like the abominable 'lxrun' and virtual-machine : emulators like VMware. Also, there is a perception that "emulation" is slower than native, which isn't the case for the Linux ABI in FreeBSD. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 21:35:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F39014BD0 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:35:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA92930; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:35:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: janus.syracuse.net: green owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:35:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian F. Feldman" X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: Warner Losh Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-Reply-To: <199908160431.WAA27173@harmony.village.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > In message "Brian F. Feldman" writes: > : I suppose, but wouldn't the proper place be under machdep? I agree that > : a linux top-level MIB would be easiest to remember. > > Linux isn't machdep. It is MI since we could have Linux/Alpha or > Linux/MIPS emulators... Well then, we need to move it a directory level and take out machine dependencies, and make it machine independent. > > Warner > Brian Fundakowski Feldman _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ green@FreeBSD.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ | _ \._ \ |) | http://www.FreeBSD.org/ _ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 23:28: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB7D14D0F for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:27:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA22596 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:27:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908160627.XAA22596@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cd writer recommendation? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:27:39 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Any one care to recommend a CD writer for FreeBSD-current since thats typically what I run over here. Tnks -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 23:33:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FB214C2F for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:33:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mmuir@es.co.nz) Received: from es.co.nz (p26-max3.dun.ihug.co.nz [209.76.100.153]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28583; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:33:46 +1200 Message-ID: <37B7B0C9.A4E5437F@es.co.nz> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:33:45 +1200 From: Mike Muir X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Amancio Hasty Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? References: <199908160627.XAA22596@rah.star-gate.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Any one care to recommend a CD writer for FreeBSD-current since thats > typically what I run over here. Well, im using a Sony 948S here, works fine under -CURRENT with GCOMBUST (as a front end to mkisofs, mkhybridfs and cdrecord).. except that GCOMBUST occasionally cant figure out the target, rerunning it seems to get past this minor problem. mike. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sun Aug 15 23:36: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5838914D14 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:35:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA95130; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 02:36:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: janus.syracuse.net: green owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 02:36:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian F. Feldman" X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: Amancio Hasty Cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-Reply-To: <199908160627.XAA22596@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Any one care to recommend a CD writer for FreeBSD-current since thats > typically what I run over here. Are you asking for recommendation about hardware or software? It's not evident from your wording. > > Tnks > -- > > Amancio Hasty > hasty@rah.star-gate.com Brian Fundakowski Feldman _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ green@FreeBSD.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ | _ \._ \ |) | http://www.FreeBSD.org/ _ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 0:29:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1C8150DF; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:29:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA22828; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:29:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908160729.AAA22828@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Brian F. Feldman" Cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 02:36:19 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:29:07 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry about that . The emphasis is more on the hardware and second is the software -- I usually get around problems with the software. Is there any support for IDE CD writers or are they not worth bothering with on FreeBSD. Tnks! > On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > Any one care to recommend a CD writer for FreeBSD-current since thats > > typically what I run over here. > > Are you asking for recommendation about hardware or software? It's not > evident from your wording. > > > > > Tnks > > -- > > > > Amancio Hasty > > hasty@rah.star-gate.com > > Brian Fundakowski Feldman _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ > green@FreeBSD.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ > FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ | _ \._ \ |) | > http://www.FreeBSD.org/ _ |___/___/___/ > -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 0:35:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gaia.euronet.nl (gaia.euronet.nl [194.134.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4347414F54; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:35:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Received: from mail.scc.nl (i339.ztm.euronet.nl [194.134.67.100]) by gaia.euronet.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07760; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:35:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from scc.nl (scones.sup.scc.nl [192.168.2.4]) by mail.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA40592; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:35:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Message-ID: <37B7BF34.166CEAF2@scc.nl> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:35:16 +0000 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: SCC vof X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Brian F. Feldman" Cc: Warner Losh , Poul-Henning Kamp , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Brian F. Feldman" wrote: > > : I suppose, but wouldn't the proper place be under machdep? I agree that > > : a linux top-level MIB would be easiest to remember. > > > > Linux isn't machdep. It is MI since we could have Linux/Alpha or > > Linux/MIPS emulators... > > Well then, we need to move it a directory level and take out machine > dependencies, and make it machine independent. A split of the Linux sources has been discussed already and isn't the issue here. Please stay on topic or change the subject. -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ Amsterdam, The Netherlands tel: +31 20 4200655 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 0:39:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBCA15333 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:39:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA96169; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 03:40:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: janus.syracuse.net: green owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 03:40:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian F. Feldman" X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: Amancio Hasty Cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-Reply-To: <199908160729.AAA22828@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Sorry about that . The emphasis is more on the hardware and second is the > software -- I usually get around problems with the software. > Mkisofs is good for creating an ISO 9660 file systems. Wormcontrol and dd are a good combination for writing them. > Is there any support for IDE CD writers or are they not worth bothering with > on FreeBSD. > Yes, there is support for them :) > Tnks! > > > On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > > > > Any one care to recommend a CD writer for FreeBSD-current since thats > > > typically what I run over here. > > > > Are you asking for recommendation about hardware or software? It's not > > evident from your wording. > > > > > > > > Tnks > > > -- > > > > > > Amancio Hasty > > > hasty@rah.star-gate.com > > > > Brian Fundakowski Feldman _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ > > green@FreeBSD.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ > > FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ | _ \._ \ |) | > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/ _ |___/___/___/ > > > > -- > > Amancio Hasty > hasty@rah.star-gate.com > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > Brian Fundakowski Feldman _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ green@FreeBSD.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ | _ \._ \ |) | http://www.FreeBSD.org/ _ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 0:44:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9FF14F0D; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:44:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA22962; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:42:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908160742.AAA22962@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Brian F. Feldman" Cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 03:40:11 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:42:19 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Most Cool! Is there a list of IDE cd writers which work FreeBSD? Tnks Again! > On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > Sorry about that . The emphasis is more on the hardware and second is the > > software -- I usually get around problems with the software. > > > > Mkisofs is good for creating an ISO 9660 file systems. Wormcontrol and > dd are a good combination for writing them. > > > Is there any support for IDE CD writers or are they not worth bothering with > > on FreeBSD. > > > > Yes, there is support for them :) > > > Tnks! > > > > > On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Any one care to recommend a CD writer for FreeBSD-current since thats > > > > typically what I run over here. > > > > > > Are you asking for recommendation about hardware or software? It's not > > > evident from your wording. > > > > > > > > > > > Tnks > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Amancio Hasty > > > > hasty@rah.star-gate.com > > > > > > Brian Fundakowski Feldman _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ > > > green@FreeBSD.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ > > > FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ | _ \._ \ |) | > > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/ _ |___/___/___/ > > > > > > > -- > > > > Amancio Hasty > > hasty@rah.star-gate.com > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > > > Brian Fundakowski Feldman _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ > green@FreeBSD.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ > FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ | _ \._ \ |) | > http://www.FreeBSD.org/ _ |___/___/___/ > -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 0:47:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gidgate.gid.co.uk (gidgate.gid.co.uk [193.123.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A6814F0D for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:47:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: (from rb@localhost) by gidgate.gid.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) id IAA21096; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:47:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rb) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990816084714.007ce2c0@192.168.255.1> X-Sender: rbmail@192.168.255.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:47:14 +0100 To: Amancio Hasty From: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199908160627.XAA22596@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, >Any one care to recommend a CD writer for FreeBSD-current since thats >typically what I run over here. Yamaha CRW4416S "just works" with -current and cdrecord, both for CD-R and CD-RW. -- Bob Bishop +44 118 977 4017 rb@gid.co.uk fax +44 118 989 4254 (0800-1800 UK) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 1:23:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.is.co.za (mercury.is.co.za [196.4.160.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B05014F5C for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:23:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoffr@is.co.za) Received: from ISJHBEX (isjhbexnode.is.co.za [196.26.1.2]) by mercury.is.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28219 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:17:05 +0200 Received: by isjhbex.is.co.za with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:26:03 +0200 Message-ID: From: Geoff Rehmet To: "'current@freebsd.org'" Subject: Dropping connections without RST Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:26:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After the discussions regarding the "log_in_vain" sysctls, I was thinking about a feature I would like to implement: Instead of sending a RST (for TCP) or Port Unreachable (for UDP) where the box is not listening on a socket, I would like to implement a sysctl, which disables the sending of the RST or the Port unreachable. This is basically for public servers (like DNS servers), which I want to turn into black holes on ports where they are not listening. (This confuses things if someone strobes the machines, and also makes life a little more difficult for anyone who tries to portscan them.) In default configuration, everything would behave as per normal, and you would have to set a sysctl MIB before the behaviour that I have described is displayed. Can anyone think of any reason why this feature should not be implemented? Geoff. -- Geoff Rehmet, The Internet Solution - Infrastructure tel: +27-11-283-5462, fax: +27-11-283-5401 mobile: +27-83-292-5800 email: geoffr@is.co.za URL: http://www.is.co.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 1:24:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gaia.euronet.nl (gaia.euronet.nl [194.134.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9DD1544E for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:24:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-current@scc.nl) Received: from mail.scc.nl (i416.ztm.euronet.nl [194.134.67.137]) by gaia.euronet.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07604 from for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:24:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by mail.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA41824 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:22:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd-current@scc.nl) Received: from GATEWAY by scones.sup.scc.nl with netnews for current@FreeBSD.ORG (current@FreeBSD.ORG) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:22:42 +0000 From: Marcel Moolenaar Message-ID: <37B7CA52.B6CEB30@scc.nl> Organization: SCC vof Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199908151724.KAA13658@dingo.cdrom.com>, <199908160432.WAA27186@harmony.village.org> Subject: Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...] Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warner Losh wrote: > > In message <199908151724.KAA13658@dingo.cdrom.com> Mike Smith writes: > : We're staying away from the term "emulation" because it's being > : associated with things like the abominable 'lxrun' and virtual-machine > : emulators like VMware. > > Also, there is a perception that "emulation" is slower than native, > which isn't the case for the Linux ABI in FreeBSD. The Linuxulator adds overhead, which does make it slower than native. Take for example the overlaying of /compat/linux. File/dir access-bound applications (such as find) pay the penalty. Other areas of overhead are translations of bitmaps and/or structures. In general, the overhead is minimal, but nonetheless there's overhead and there're cases in which you can definitely see a performance drop as compared to native execution. I qualify the Linuxulator as an emulator. Although we are lucky to not have to emulate an architecture (see /usr/ports/emulators for examples) or a subset of an instruction set (option MATH_EMULATE for example), we do have to emulate an OS interface. The Linuxulator isn't a compatability thingy, because we're not that good an emulator. You cannot replace the one with the other and not see any side-effects. The emotional argument that as to why we stay away from the term "emulation" does not mean that the Linuxulator isn't an emulator, we're just calling it differently... anyway, my Euro 0.02 :-) -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ Amsterdam, The Netherlands tel: +31 20 4200655 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 1:36:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A108815431 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:36:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA23267; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:33:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908160833.BAA23267@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...] In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:22:42 -0000." <37B7CA52.B6CEB30@scc.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:33:54 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think that emulation usually denotes simulation so I would find another term or invent one to describe the linux emulation layer. -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 2:15:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp [133.6.124.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D391549A for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 02:15:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kato@ganko.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id SAA00970 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:15:08 +0900 (JST) To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Cyrix/IBM CPU detection From: KATO Takenori X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) X-PGP-Fingerprint: 03 72 85 36 62 46 23 03 52 B1 10 22 44 10 0D 9E Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990816181508C.kato@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:15:08 +0900 X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 63 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Current CPU detection routine sometimes fails to detect IBM BlueLightning CPU. The problem is caused by failure of Cyrix/IBM CPU detection in sys/i386/i386/locore.s. Our Cyrix/IBM CPU detection code is different from that in Cyrix's BIOS writer's guide because latter code cannot distinguish NexGen CPU from Cyrix CPU. Our locore.s detects NexGen CPU before Cyrix CPU detection. So, there is no reason for not using Cyrix's code. I have made a patch bellow which use Cyrix's code. Please report results on following CPUs: 1. IBM BlueLightning CPU (IBM 486SLC) 2. Cyrix/IBM/TI 486SLC/DLC CPU 3. Cyrix/IBM 486DX/DX4 CPU 4. Cyrix 5x86 CPU (aka M1sc CPU) 5. Cyrix 6x86 CPU (aka M1 CPU) 6. Intel 386 CPU I have already received reports on i486DX2 and AMD Am5x86 CPUs and they work without any problem. Also, if you find a problem on other CPU than above list, please let me know. Thank you. ---------- BEGIN ---------- *** locore.s.ORIG Mon Aug 16 14:28:56 1999 --- locore.s Mon Aug 16 14:32:33 1999 *************** *** 674,685 **** * Note: CPUID is enabled on M2, so it passes another way. */ pushfl ! movl $0x5555, %eax ! xorl %edx, %edx ! movl $2, %ecx ! clc ! divl %ecx ! jnc trycyrix popfl jmp 3f /* You may use Intel CPU. */ --- 674,686 ---- * Note: CPUID is enabled on M2, so it passes another way. */ pushfl ! movl $5, %eax ! movl $2, %ebx ! sahf ! divb %bl ! lahf ! cmpb $2, %ah ! je trycyrix popfl jmp 3f /* You may use Intel CPU. */ ---------- END ---------- -----------------------------------------------+--------------------------+ KATO Takenori | FreeBSD | Dept. Earth Planet. Sci, Nagoya Univ. | The power to serve! | Nagoya, 464-8602, Japan | http://www.FreeBSD.org/ | ++++ FreeBSD(98) 3.2: Rev. 01 available! |http://www.jp.FreeBSD.org/| ++++ FreeBSD(98) 2.2.8: Rev. 02 available! +==========================+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 2:18:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from iclub.nsu.ru (iclub.nsu.ru [193.124.222.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A00914F83 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 02:15:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Received: from localhost (fjoe@localhost) by iclub.nsu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17118; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:14:26 +0700 (NSS) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:14:26 +0700 (NSS) From: Max Khon To: Amancio Hasty Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-Reply-To: <199908160627.XAA22596@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, there! On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Any one care to recommend a CD writer for FreeBSD-current since thats > typically what I run over here. I use Sony CDU948S-RP more than year. works like a charm If cd-recorder is not MMC-compatible check that cdrdao supports it directly (Sony driver have been implemented recently) I think any SCSI cd-recorder will work perfectly /fjoe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 6:10:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 94851152CB for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 06:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: (qmail 19400 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 13:10:16 -0000 Received: from shell-2.enteract.com (dscheidt@207.229.143.41) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 13:10:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:10:15 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: Amancio Hasty Cc: "Brian F. Feldman" , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-Reply-To: <199908160729.AAA22828@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Sorry about that . The emphasis is more on the hardware and second is the > software -- I usually get around problems with the software. I have a Yamaha 4416 (or something close to that) which has worked attached to every machine I have tried. (FreeBSD, Linux, ScumOS, HP/UX, spit NT) I would buy an external one, as they generate quite a lot of heat. > > Is there any support for IDE CD writers or are they not worth bothering with > on FreeBSD. There is support, but I don't think they are worth bothering with on any OS. David Scheidt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 7:39:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A0014D3A; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 07:39:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA22965; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA72554; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:39:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:39:26 -0400 (EDT) To: "Brian F. Feldman" Cc: Warner Losh , Poul-Henning Kamp , Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-Reply-To: References: <199908160431.WAA27173@harmony.village.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14264.6988.898174.676708@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brian F. Feldman writes: > On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Warner Losh wrote: > > > In message "Brian F. Feldman" writes: > > : I suppose, but wouldn't the proper place be under machdep? I agree that > > : a linux top-level MIB would be easiest to remember. > > > > Linux isn't machdep. It is MI since we could have Linux/Alpha or > > Linux/MIPS emulators... > > Well then, we need to move it a directory level and take out machine > dependencies, and make it machine independent. > Linux is actually a little bit machdep: we can't move it all up a directory level because most of the syscall numbers, as well as many flags (to mmap, ioctl, etc) are different between linux/i386 & linux/alpha. They bootstrapped themselves off of osf/1 & never reverted back to their own flags/syscall numbers, they just grew a new set instead. So I'd suggest moving everything but linux.h & the syscall related files up a level. There will need to be some ifdefs in the code, but not many. I've been working a little on getting the Linuxulator running on FreeBSD/alpha. Because linux is such a bloody cludge (the syscall & flags differences), its a bit more difficult that I initially thought it would be. The also call some functions (osf1_setsysinfo, for example) which are really osf/1 calls. Luckily, I have my osf/1 compat code which I'm using to field these. Right now it works well enough to install linux_base from ports (good job in keeing it MI, Marcel!) & run things like ls, uname, etc. However, its not useful for anything real just yet. My goal is to get em86 (the x86 emulator that lets linux/alpha run linux/i386 binaries) running, as well as the Compaq compilers. Drew PS: Is anybody interested in reviewing my osf/1 compat code so that it can be comitted? It works quite well (SimOS, Netscape, Mathematica, Matlab, S-Plus, emacs, etc all run), but I'd really like somebody to look it over before I commit it. I've left it at http://www.freebsd.org/~gallatin/osf1.tar.gz ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 8:18:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from pop2.tky.3web.ne.jp (pop2.tky.3web.ne.jp [202.235.209.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D211517A for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:17:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from moris@tky2.3web.ne.jp) Received: from mx2.tky.3web.ne.jp (tky017.tky.3web.ne.jp [202.235.210.49]) by pop2.tky.3web.ne.jp (8.8.8+2.7Wbeta7/3.7W-99073118) with SMTP id AAA28850 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:18:16 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:18:16 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199908161518.AAA28850@pop2.tky.3web.ne.jp> From: =?iso-2022-jp?B?WXVrbyBLYXNoaXdhemFraQ==?= To: =?iso-2022-jp?B?ZnJlZWJzZC1jdXJyZW50QGZyZWVic2Qub3Jn?= Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCPWkkYSReJDckRiEiR3A6aiRIPz0kNyReJDkhIxsoQg==?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset= "ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG $B=i$a$^$7$F!"%$%*%s%IBg3X$NGp:j!!M5;R$H?=$7$^$9!#(B $B%$%*%s%IBg3X!!L>M@Gn;N!!?dA&0Q0w2q@_N)$N$*CN$i$;$,$"$j(B $B$^$7$F!"%a!<%k$rCW$7$^$7$?!#(B $B$3$NEY!"(BIOND University$B!J%O%o%$=#G'2D!"(BWAUC$B2CLA!K$G$O!"(B $BF|K\$N3F3&$K$*$$$FB?Bg$J$kM@Gn;N9f$rM@Gn;N?dA&0Q0wBP>](B $B!!!!!!#2(B. $BG/NpITLd!"3XNrITLd(B $B!!!!!!#3(B. $B?H853NM@Gn;N$r?dA&$7!"K\3X$N3X0L!K$K$h$j@5<07hDj$7$^$9!#L>M@Gn;N9f]e$K$7$F!"3F3&$K$*$$$F==J,$J8y@S$r;D$5$l6H(B $B!!!!!!!!!!3&$H0JFb!#(B $B!!!!!!#2(B. $B3XLdE*!"$"$k$$$OJ88%E*$K==J,$JA&$rLd$$$^$;$s$N$G!"1sN8$J$/$4O"Mm2<$5$$!#(B $BO"MmJ}K!$O%a!<%k$K$F$h$m$7$/$*4j$$CW$7$^$9!#(B ********************************************* Yuko Kashiwazaki E-Mail:moris@tky2.3web.ne.jp Faculty Recruiting Department of IOND University URL:http://member.nifty.ne.jp/Iond_Univ/ ********************************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 10: 2:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (freja.webgiro.com [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B2615284 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:02:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 884271911; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:01:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854A3499A; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:01:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:01:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-Reply-To: <199908151559.IAA02608@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > :>2) under "kern.emu.linux" > :>3) under "linux" > : > :I vote for 3. > : > :-- > :Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member > :phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." > :FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! > > Ditto. Linux emulation is going to become increasingly important, > burying deep would just make everyone's life more difficult. Well, it's also a module, so perhaps we should create the whole subtree for modules (as was already discussed several times..) Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 10: 9:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D3414D04 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:09:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA10454; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:09:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:09:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908161709.KAA10454@apollo.backplane.com> To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : :On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: : :> :>2) under "kern.emu.linux" :> :>3) under "linux" :> : :> :I vote for 3. :> : :> :-- :> :Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member :> :phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." :> :FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! :> :> Ditto. Linux emulation is going to become increasingly important, :> burying deep would just make everyone's life more difficult. : :Well, it's also a module, so perhaps we should create the whole subtree :for modules (as was already discussed several times..) : :Andrzej Bialecki Yes, this is very true. But I think we are fooling ourselves if we believe linux emulation will not become 'standard' in the near future. Then we'll kick ourselves for giving the sysctl's convoluted names :-) -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 10:25:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (freja.webgiro.com [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9034D14D20 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:25:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4BAC21911; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:25:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4899249D2; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:25:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:25:14 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-Reply-To: <199908161709.KAA10454@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > > : > :On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > : > :> :>2) under "kern.emu.linux" > :> :>3) under "linux" > :> : > :> :I vote for 3. > :> : > :> :-- > :> :Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member > :> :phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." > :> :FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! > :> > :> Ditto. Linux emulation is going to become increasingly important, > :> burying deep would just make everyone's life more difficult. > : > :Well, it's also a module, so perhaps we should create the whole subtree > :for modules (as was already discussed several times..) > : > :Andrzej Bialecki > > Yes, this is very true. But I think we are fooling ourselves if we > believe linux emulation will not become 'standard' in the near future. > Then we'll kick ourselves for giving the sysctl's convoluted names :-) Yeah... Then, the next in line after "linux" are: ibcs2 and svr4 and whatever comes next. Can you live with them as main sysctl categories? Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 10:26: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFC3154D7 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:26:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA10553; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:26:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:26:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908161726.KAA10553@apollo.backplane.com> To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : :Yeah... Then, the next in line after "linux" are: ibcs2 and svr4 and :whatever comes next. Can you live with them as main sysctl categories? : :Andrzej Bialecki I think Solaris has a chance, but I doubt any other traditional vendor UNIXes do. So it comes down to Solaris and Linux for the most part. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 10:31:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from tasogare.imasy.or.jp (tasogare.imasy.or.jp [202.227.24.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6C214D20 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:31:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (isdnb01.imasy.or.jp [202.227.24.129]) by tasogare.imasy.or.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W-tasogare/smtpfeed 1.01) with ESMTP id CAA10747; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 02:30:12 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <199908161730.CAA10747@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> To: plm@xs4all.nl Cc: iwasaki@jp.freebsd.org, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: recent apm changes In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:55:57 +0900" <199908130352.MAA19931@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> References: <199908130352.MAA19931@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 02:33:52 +0900 From: Mitsuru IWASAKI X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 91 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I got ASUS P2B M/B & ATX case and assembled new box yesterday. With my patch, new box successfully transit into suspend state. There is no sounds from CPU fun, chassis fun and IDE HDD spin (powered down by BIOS setting, Power management setup -> PM Timers -> HDD Power Down: 1 Min.). The power led keeps flashing during suspending. Without the patch, suspending system is never successful (standby also), message `slept 00:00:00' comes up :-( The key release event seems prevent suspend, so some sort of delay mechanism would be necessary such as my patch. Now I'm wondering why your PC doesn't get quite. I suspect that hardware configuration different from yours (I have no SCSI HD on new box). Any suggestions? I attached my dmesg output FYI. Thanks. > > MI> Please try this patch. > > MI> If it still fails, it's worth to try increasing APM_SUSPEND_DELAY, > > MI> something like: > > MI> #define APM_SUSPEND_DELAY 3 > > > > Alas, it doesn't make a difference. > > Hmmmm. OK, I'll buy new mather board same one as yours and investigate > what's happend on it. Could you tell me which M/B are you using? And > I'd like to have your dmesg output from kernel with APM_DEBUG option. > # In your kernel config file: > # options APM_DEBUG Copyright (c) 1992-1999 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #4: Tue Aug 17 00:16:46 JST 1999 root@celeron.minet.imasy.or.jp:/usr/src/sys/compile/CELERON Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Celeron (367.50-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x660 Stepping = 0 Features=0x183f9ff real memory = 134205440 (131060K bytes) avail memory = 126779392 (123808K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc033d000. Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc033d09c. VESA: v1.2, 4096k memory, flags:0x0, mode table:0xc00c4ead (c0004ead) VESA: S3 Incorporated. Vision968 Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled Probing for PnP devices: npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface apm0: on motherboard apm: APM BIOS version 0102 apm: Code16 0xc00f0000, Data 0xc00fdbf0 apm: Code entry 0x00007870, Idling CPU disabled, Management enabled apm: CS_limit=0xffff, DS_limit=0xffff apm: Engaged control enabled apm: found APM BIOS v1.2, connected at v1.2 apm: Slow Idling CPU disabled Add hook "default suspend" Add hook "default resume" pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 isab0: at device 4.0 on pci0 ide_pci0: at device 4.1 on pci0 uhci0: irq 5 at device 4.2 on pci0 usb0: on uhci0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered chip1: at device 4.3 on pci0 vx0: <3COM 3C590 Etherlink III PCI> irq 10 at device 11.0 on pci0 utp[*utp*]: disable 'auto select' with DOS util! address 00:a0:24:38:b7:0b Warning! Defective early revision adapter! vga-pci0: irq 11 at device 12.0 on pci0 isa0: on motherboard fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 wdc0 at port 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa0 wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 8693MB (17803440 sectors), 17662 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S atkbdc0: at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model GlidePoint, device ID 0 vga0: at port 0x3b0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 11:14:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F6F14D95 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:14:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00570; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:14:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908161814.LAA00570@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: David Scheidt Cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:10:15 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:14:14 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Cool, I forgot to ask about heat generation. My 10k rpm scsi disks are external due to that they like to run hot so my cd recorder most likely will also be external. Tnks for the info on the Yamaha! Cheers > On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > > > Sorry about that . The emphasis is more on the hardware and second is the > > software -- I usually get around problems with the software. > > I have a Yamaha 4416 (or something close to that) which has worked attached > to every machine I have tried. (FreeBSD, Linux, ScumOS, HP/UX, spit NT) I > would buy an external one, as they generate quite a lot of heat. > > > > > > > Is there any support for IDE CD writers or are they not worth bothering with > > on FreeBSD. > > There is support, but I don't think they are worth bothering with on any OS. > > David Scheidt > > -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 11:36:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from leaf.crc.ricoh.com (gateway.crc.ricoh.com [205.226.66.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBAA15487; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjaffe@rsv.ricoh.com) Received: from adc1.adc.rsv.ricoh.com (adc1.adc.rsv.ricoh.com [172.30.31.30]) by leaf.crc.ricoh.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23229; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rsv.ricoh.com by adc1.adc.rsv.ricoh.com (8.8.8/3.6Wpre2-98122121) id LAA05603; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37B86A59.9462A5AB@rsv.ricoh.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:45:29 -0700 From: Mark Jaffe Organization: Ricoh Silicon Valley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: [Fwd: [URGENT] CVS problems] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mark Jaffe wrote: > > Jordan, > > CVS is issuing an "out of memory" message on attempting to checkin a > 12MB file. What can I do? There is 300M of swap on the machine, it is > running FreeBSD 2.2.8, and CVS says: > "Concurrent Versions System (CVS) 1.9.26 (client/server)" > > I'll post this to the lists, too. > -- Anyone help? -- ------------------------------------------- Mark Jaffe | Build Meister Ricoh Silicon Valley | ADC (408) 863-8066 | mjaffe@rsv.ricoh.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 11:41:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E086315487; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:41:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA71000; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: "Brian F. Feldman" Cc: Amancio Hasty , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 03:40:11 EDT." Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:40:00 -0700 Message-ID: <70996.934828800@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Mkisofs is good for creating an ISO 9660 file systems. Wormcontrol and > dd are a good combination for writing them. This would be true if the worm driver wasn't actually dead. You should at least check on these things before publically recommending obsolete mechanisms. :) In the world of CAM these days, cdrecord from the ports collection is the way to go. "dd" was also never a good way of writing CDs since the faster models may suffer from data starvation when you use dd, you want to use cdrecord and/or team from the ports collection to do this. And yes, I've burned probably thousands of CDs under FreeBSD at this point and do know what I'm talking about, should Brian wish to vigorously defend the indefensible again on these points. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 11:41:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from tasogare.imasy.or.jp (tasogare.imasy.or.jp [202.227.24.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07BB15497 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:41:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (isdn33.imasy.or.jp [202.227.24.225]) by tasogare.imasy.or.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W-tasogare/smtpfeed 1.01) with ESMTP id DAA21645; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 03:40:16 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <199908161840.DAA21645@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> To: kfarmer@sympatico.ca Cc: iwasaki@jp.freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: apm problems. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 14 Aug 1999 07:12:07 +0000" <37B516C7.C5F45D04@sympatico.ca> References: <37B516C7.C5F45D04@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 03:43:53 +0900 From: Mitsuru IWASAKI X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 32 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, My understanding on your problems is: 1. Standby by PM timer in BIOS setting fails with the system activity. 2. No new process can be started after resume. Is it correct? 1. My laptops also fails if the console or window is updating by the output from running commands. But standby on other unused console (ttyv1 or something), monitor blanks. Standby usually never stop disk activities. 2. Do you have `calcru: negative time' messages after resume? One of my laptops has this problem, doesn't restore the countdown register of i8254 on resume. After resume, my laptop is getting very slooooooow, takes 2 mins to shutdown... If your problem is the same as mine, hack in PAO (i8254_restore() in /sys/i386/apm/apm.c and /sys/i386/isa/clock.c) would be helpful for you. Another possibility is apmd configuration. Is it correctly configured? Please try to disable apmd to make it clear whether apmd causes your problem. > Apm does not seem to be behaving correctly on my computer (running > yesterday's CURRENT) Is this first time for you? Have you met the problems before or just recently? > if more info is needed, just let me know what to do. Thanks =). I'd like to have your dmesg output. Are you using desktop PC, right? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 11:54:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 787E014BCE for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:54:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA71139; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:54:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...] In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:22:42 -0000." <37B7CA52.B6CEB30@scc.nl> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:54:13 -0700 Message-ID: <71135.934829653@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG All of this would be true if your personal definition of "emulator" were the prevailing one, but that is unfortunately just not the case. :) When the average computing public thinks of an "emulator", they think of something like MAME or the SNES emulator. Even the more compute-minded folks tend to think of BOCHS or SIMOS when they hear the word "emulator" and I need only point to the majority of entries in /usr/ports/emulators in support of this. :-) In any case, my point is simply that we need to be careful in our use of terminology if we don't want to lend the majority the impression that our linux "emulation" code goes through the same sorts of gyrations that MAME does to run linux binaries. I do get questions at trade shows all the time about this, and I can state without reservation that none of the people asking about it share Marcel's definition of the term. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 11:58: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EEA214E40; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:58:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00785; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:56:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908161856.LAA00785@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: "Brian F. Feldman" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:40:00 PDT." <70996.934828800@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:56:06 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Cool, So can we have the manufacture and model of your cd-recorder ? 8) Browsing a little over at http://www.buy.com and noticed that they have quite a few Plextor cd recorders so I am wondering if anyone has any experience with Plextor cd recorders... Tnks! -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 12: 3:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D4A154A4 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:03:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA10397; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:03:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: janus.syracuse.net: green owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:03:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian F. Feldman" X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Amancio Hasty , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-Reply-To: <70996.934828800@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Mkisofs is good for creating an ISO 9660 file systems. Wormcontrol and > > dd are a good combination for writing them. > > This would be true if the worm driver wasn't actually dead. You > should at least check on these things before publically recommending > obsolete mechanisms. :) Wormcontrol uses WORM ioctls, handled by both of the ATAPI drivers. > > In the world of CAM these days, cdrecord from the ports collection is > the way to go. "dd" was also never a good way of writing CDs since the > faster models may suffer from data starvation when you use dd, you > want to use cdrecord and/or team from the ports collection to do this. But ATA and wcd are both not CAM. dd works just fine. You can solve data starvation by using a pipe of two (one to do all the reading, another to do all the writing with the small buffer size.) cdrecord is probably more obvious to most people. > > And yes, I've burned probably thousands of CDs under FreeBSD at this > point and do know what I'm talking about, should Brian wish to > vigorously defend the indefensible again on these points. :-) Your points are arguments to a different set of statements ;) > > - Jordan > Brian Fundakowski Feldman _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ green@FreeBSD.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ | _ \._ \ |) | http://www.FreeBSD.org/ _ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 12:44: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from helmholtz.salk.edu (helmholtz.salk.edu [198.202.70.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4602114CAC for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:44:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bartol@salk.edu) Received: from eccles.salk.edu (eccles [198.202.70.120]) by helmholtz.salk.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA25187; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:43:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Bartol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...] In-Reply-To: <71135.934829653@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I absolutely agree with Jordan on this point. I'm having an increasingly hard time keeping our lab running FreeBSD over Linux due to pressure from higher-ups who aren't in the technical trenches with me and who don't understand the very good technical reasons I have for running FreeBSD here. One constant sticking point is the linux compatibility module. The higher-ups see the word "emulator" and all manner of warning messages go off in their uninformed heads. In a previous e-mail on this or a related thread I saw the term: "Linux image activator" or something close to this pass by. I think this term gave me a much closer feeling to what I imagine is really going on the the "linuxulator" than the term "emulator" and all its baggage. So we could name it the "Linux image activator" or "Lin-Axe" or some such... Tom On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > All of this would be true if your personal definition of "emulator" > were the prevailing one, but that is unfortunately just not the > case. :) > > When the average computing public thinks of an "emulator", they think > of something like MAME or the SNES emulator. Even the more > compute-minded folks tend to think of BOCHS or SIMOS when they hear > the word "emulator" and I need only point to the majority of entries > in /usr/ports/emulators in support of this. :-) In any case, my point > is simply that we need to be careful in our use of terminology if we > don't want to lend the majority the impression that our linux > "emulation" code goes through the same sorts of gyrations that MAME > does to run linux binaries. I do get questions at trade shows all the > time about this, and I can state without reservation that none of the > people asking about it share Marcel's definition of the term. :) > > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 12:55:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gaia.euronet.nl (gaia.euronet.nl [194.134.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA621158B8 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:55:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Received: from mail.scc.nl (i224.ztm.euronet.nl [194.134.67.25]) by gaia.euronet.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01389; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:54:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from scc.nl (scones.sup.scc.nl [192.168.2.4]) by mail.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14942; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:54:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marcel@scc.nl) Message-ID: <37B86C81.10308359@scc.nl> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:54:41 +0200 From: Marcel Moolenaar Organization: SCC vof X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Andrzej Bialecki , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables References: <199908161709.KAA10454@apollo.backplane.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon wrote: > :Well, it's also a module, so perhaps we should create the whole subtree > :for modules (as was already discussed several times..) > > Yes, this is very true. But I think we are fooling ourselves if we > believe linux emulation will not become 'standard' in the near future. > Then we'll kick ourselves for giving the sysctl's convoluted names :-) I don't think we'll do ourselves a favor if we allow the Linuxulator to be compiled into the kernel again. To much depends on it to be a module. I write down "modules.linux" as an option (and a good one too, IMHO). -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ Amsterdam, The Netherlands tel: +31 20 4200655 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 12:58: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from fwgate1e.conexant.com (fwgate1e.conexant.com [198.62.8.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 12A0914D7B for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:58:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from housel@acm.org) Received: by fwgate1e.conexant.com; id MAA25515; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:57:09 -0700 Received: from npbsmtp1.nb.conexant.com(157.152.161.153) by fwgate1e.conexant.com via smap (V4.2) id xmaa25467; Mon, 16 Aug 99 12:56:43 -0700 Received: from snail.nb.conexant.com ([157.152.176.120]) by npbsmtp1.nb.conexant.com (Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.3 (778.2 1-4-1999)) with SMTP id 882567CF.006D2A10; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:52:21 -0700 Received: from shrimp.nb.conexant.com (shrimp.nb.conexant.com [157.152.179.9]) by snail.nb.conexant.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07636 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from housel7352a (housel-7352a.pc.nb.conexant.com [157.152.249.85]) by shrimp.nb.conexant.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA29738 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00cc01bee821$42d9fe20$55f9989d@nb.conexant.com> From: "Peter S. Housel" To: References: Subject: Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...] Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:55:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tom Bartol wrote: > In a previous e-mail on this or a related thread I saw the term: > > "Linux image activator" > > or something close to this pass by. I think this term gave me a much > closer feeling to what I imagine is really going on the the "linuxulator" > than the term "emulator" and all its baggage. So we could name it the > "Linux image activator" or "Lin-Axe" or some such... How about "Linux Compatibility ABI"? It's accurate, it gives the right impression, and it has an impressive ring to it. Cheers, -Peter- housel@acm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 12:59:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D41C14D33 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:59:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA17808; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:53:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Tom Bartol Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Tom Bartol wrote: > > I absolutely agree with Jordan on this point. I'm having an increasingly > hard time keeping our lab running FreeBSD over Linux due to pressure from > higher-ups who aren't in the technical trenches with me and who don't > understand the very good technical reasons I have for running FreeBSD > here. One constant sticking point is the linux compatibility module. The > higher-ups see the word "emulator" and all manner of warning messages go > off in their uninformed heads. > > In a previous e-mail on this or a related thread I saw the term: > > "Linux image activator" > > or something close to this pass by. I think this term gave me a much > closer feeling to what I imagine is really going on the the "linuxulator" > than the term "emulator" and all its baggage. So we could name it the > "Linux image activator" or "Lin-Axe" or some such... I'd just like to have it described as running a program in "linux mode" In Linux mode, FreeBSD appears exactly a s alinux muchine would to a Linux program and the program can run un-modified. (Now that Red Hat has a market capitialisation of 5Billion$ there will be a lot more linux stuff available) > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 13: 8:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB0E14BDB for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:08:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01196; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:05:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908162005.NAA01196@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Julian Elischer Cc: Tom Bartol , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...] In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:53:55 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:05:38 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG And whats Whistle market capitilization since becoming part of IBM ? 8) > > > On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Tom Bartol wrote: > > > > > I absolutely agree with Jordan on this point. I'm having an increasingly > > hard time keeping our lab running FreeBSD over Linux due to pressure from > > higher-ups who aren't in the technical trenches with me and who don't > > understand the very good technical reasons I have for running FreeBSD > > here. One constant sticking point is the linux compatibility module. The > > higher-ups see the word "emulator" and all manner of warning messages go > > off in their uninformed heads. > > > > In a previous e-mail on this or a related thread I saw the term: > > > > "Linux image activator" > > > > or something close to this pass by. I think this term gave me a much > > closer feeling to what I imagine is really going on the the "linuxulator" > > than the term "emulator" and all its baggage. So we could name it the > > "Linux image activator" or "Lin-Axe" or some such... > > I'd just like to have it described as running a program in "linux mode" > > In Linux mode, FreeBSD appears exactly a s alinux muchine would to a Linux > program and the program can run un-modified. > > (Now that Red Hat has a market capitialisation of 5Billion$ there will be > a lot more linux stuff available) > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 13:16:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from wenet.net (pm3-4.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.85.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769AE14BDB for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:16:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by wenet.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24978; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:15:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:15:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Zepeda To: Amancio Hasty Cc: current Subject: Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...] In-Reply-To: <199908162005.NAA01196@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Amancio Hasty wrote: > And whats Whistle market capitilization since becoming part of IBM ? 8) Sure, but the last time I heard a Whistle radio comercial, I heard no mention of FreeBSD. Last time I saw a mention of RedHat, it sure as hell included a mention of Linux. - alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 13:21:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C65414D33 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:21:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01361; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:20:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908162020.NAA01361@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Alex Zepeda Cc: current Subject: Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...] In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:15:56 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:20:27 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, okay. They are sort of hiding the fact that they are using FreeBSD and you will have to ask them why is FreeBSD is not more prominently advertised. Not too long ago I read a review on various internet appliances and Whistle listed their OS as BSD/UNIX. On the other hand, Juniper does have a nice web article on why they are using FreeBSD 8) And I have to kill this thread lets continue on -chat Cheers -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 13:35:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7EA14D1A for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:35:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wolman@cs.washington.edu) Received: from miles.cs.washington.edu (miles.cs.washington.edu [128.95.4.177]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.7+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id NAA25485 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:36:09 -0700 Received: from miles.cs.washington.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by miles.cs.washington.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA69812 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:36:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wolman@miles.cs.washington.edu) Message-Id: <199908162036.NAA69812@miles.cs.washington.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: gnu tar upgrade? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:36:08 -0700 From: "Alec Wolman" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The version of tar that comes with freebsd (v1.11.2 with local freebsd modifications) has a bug: if you attempt to copy large files (> 2GB) it will silently truncate the large file. To reproduce this bug, simply use tar cf - | (cd ; tar xvpf -) where is a directory that contains a large file. There is a new version of gnu tar (v1.13) that has support for large files. I have tested this new version of tar on a recent snapshot of FreeBSD-STABLE (3.2-19990810), and it works fine with >2GB files. I also looked at the local modifications to the 1.11.2 version of tar, to understand how hard it would be to upgrade. FreeBSD has added the following behavior over the years: the --unlink option: tar 1.13 has equivalent functionality with --unlink-first the --norecurse option: tar 1.13 has equivalent functionality with --no-recursion the --bzip and --unbzip options: tar 1.13 has equivalent functionality with the --use-compress-program option the --fast-read option: tar 1.13 does not have equivalent functionality I looked at the implementation of fast-read, and it doesn't look too hard to adapt to the new version of tar. I could create patches if there is interest.... Alec To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 13:36:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475AC14BE4 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:36:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from plm@smtp3.xs4all.nl) Received: from localhost. (dc2-isdn106.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.148.106]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24214 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:36:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from plm@localhost) by localhost. (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00337; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:36:33 +0200 From: Peter Mutsaers Message-ID: <14264.30288.954283.366312@muon.xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:36:32 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <199908161726.CAA10066@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> References: <199908130352.MAA19931@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> <199908161726.CAA10066@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> X-Mailer: VM 6.65 under Emacs 20.3.1 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: recent apm changes Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> "MI" == Mitsuru IWASAKI writes: MI> Hi, MI> I got ASUS P2B M/B & ATX case and assembled new box yesterday. With MI> my patch, new box successfully transit into suspend state. There is MI> no sounds from CPU fun, chassis fun and IDE HDD spin (powered down by MI> BIOS setting, Power management setup -> PM Timers -> HDD Power Down: MI> 1 Min.). The power led keeps flashing during suspending. MI> Without the patch, suspending system is never successful (standby MI> also), message `slept 00:00:00' comes up :-( MI> The key release event seems prevent suspend, so some sort of delay MI> mechanism would be necessary such as my patch. MI> Now I'm wondering why your PC doesn't get quite. I suspect that MI> hardware configuration different from yours (I have no SCSI HD on new MI> box). Any suggestions? After a new cvsup I tried your patch again. Same result. Here is my dmesg output. It is about the same at boot, but the APM debug output when suspend is tried is completely different. Copyright (c) 1992-1999 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #9: Mon Aug 16 20:56:59 MET DST 1999 plm@muon:/var/arch/fbsd/src/sys/compile/PLM Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium II/Xeon/Celeron (350.80-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x651 Stepping = 1 Features=0x183f9ff real memory = 268423168 (262132K bytes) avail memory = 257990656 (251944K bytes) Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled Probing for PnP devices: CSN 1 Vendor ID: CTL00e4 [0xe4008c0e] Serial 0x1f5ceca5 Comp ID: PNPb02f [0x2fb0d041] Add hook "pcm resume handler" Add hook "pcm suspend handler" pcm1 (SB16pnp sn 0x1f5ceca5) at 0x220-0x22f irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 on isa npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface apm0: on motherboard apm: APM BIOS version 0102 apm: Code16 0xc00f0000, Data 0xc00fdbd0 apm: Code entry 0x00007770, Idling CPU disabled, Management enabled apm: CS_limit=0xffff, DS_limit=0xffff apm: Engaged control enabled apm: found APM BIOS v1.2, connected at v1.2 apm: Slow Idling CPU disabled Add hook "default suspend" Add hook "default resume" pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 vga-pci0: irq 11 at device 0.0 on pci1 isab0: at device 4.0 on pci0 ata-pci0: at device 4.1 on pci0 ata-pci0: Busmastering DMA supported ata0 at 0x01f0 irq 14 on ata-pci0 ata1 at 0x0170 irq 15 on ata-pci0 chip1: at device 4.2 on pci0 chip2: at device 4.3 on pci0 ahc0: irq 9 at device 9.0 on pci0 ahc0: aic7850 Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 3/255 SCBs ed0: irq 10 at device 11.0 on pci0 ed0: address 00:40:95:00:57:83, type NE2000 (16 bit) isa0: on motherboard fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model MouseMan+, device ID 0 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> sio2 at port 0x3e8-0x3ef irq 4 on isa0 sio2: type 16550A sio3 at port 0x2e8-0x2ef irq 3 on isa0 sio3: type 16550A ppc0 at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/9 bytes threshold ppb0: IEEE1284 device found /NIBBLE/ECP Probing for PnP devices on ppbus0: ppbus0: MLC,PCL,PML lpt0: on ppbus 0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ata0: master: setting up UDMA2 mode on PIIX4 chip OK ad0: ATA-4 disk at ata0 as master ad0: 6485MB (13281408 sectors), 13176 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad0: piomode=4, dmamode=2, udmamode=2 ad0: 16 secs/int, 0 depth queue, DMA mode ata0: slave: setting up UDMA2 mode on PIIX4 chip OK ad1: ATA-4 disk at ata0 as slave ad1: 9543MB (19545120 sectors), 19390 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad1: piomode=4, dmamode=2, udmamode=2 ad1: 16 secs/int, 0 depth queue, DMA mode ata1: master: setting up UDMA2 mode on PIIX4 chip OK ad2: ATA-3 disk at ata1 as master ad2: 8693MB (17803440 sectors), 17662 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad2: piomode=4, dmamode=2, udmamode=2 ad2: 16 secs/int, 0 depth queue, DMA mode Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle sa0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device sa0: 5.000MB/s transfers (5.000MHz, offset 11) changing root device to wd2s1a APM ioctl: cmd = 0x20005005 called apm_event_enable() cd0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15) cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present cd1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 cd1: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd1: 3.300MB/s transfers cd1: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Logical unit not ready, cause not reportable up to here at boot time. this happens when APM SUSPEND is activated either through BIOS timer or suspend button: Received APM Event: PMEV_SUSPENDREQ Execute APM hook "pcm suspend handler." Called APM sound suspend hook for unit 1 Execute APM hook "default suspend." Received APM Event: PMEV_NORMRESUME Execute APM hook "default resume." resumed from suspended mode (slept 00:00:00) Execute APM hook "pcm resume handler." Called APM sound resume hook for unit 1 Received APM Event: PMEV_USERSUSPENDREQ Execute APM hook "pcm suspend handler." Called APM sound suspend hook for unit 1 Execute APM hook "default suspend." Received APM Event: PMEV_NORMRESUME Execute APM hook "default resume." resumed from suspended mode (slept 00:00:00) Execute APM hook "pcm resume handler." Called APM sound resume hook for unit 1 This happens when I issue 'zzz': APM ioctl: cmd = 0x20005001 Execute APM hook "pcm suspend handler." Called APM sound suspend hook for unit 1 Execute APM hook "default suspend." Received APM Event: PMEV_NORMRESUME Execute APM hook "default resume." resumed from suspended mode (slept 00:00:00) Execute APM hook "pcm resume handler." Called APM sound resume hook for unit 1 Maybe sound has something to do with it? I'll try again without a sound device. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 13:36:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D4BF1550C for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:36:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from plm@smtp1.xs4all.nl) Received: from localhost. (dc2-isdn106.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.148.106]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03282 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:36:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from plm@localhost) by localhost. (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00340; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:36:44 +0200 From: Peter Mutsaers Message-ID: <14264.30300.546811.726638@muon.xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:36:44 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <199908161726.CAA10066@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> References: <199908130352.MAA19931@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> <199908161726.CAA10066@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> X-Mailer: VM 6.65 under Emacs 20.3.1 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: recent apm changes Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Followup: I decided to upgrade my P2B BIOS version. I had 1005, went to 1010. This made a difference! Now suspend works. However still the disks keep spinning until they reach their BIOS timeout. In Linux & Windows, there is some hook when going to suspend mode that spins down the (IDE) disks. This is nice, since it is well possible that you go to suspend but do not set a disk spindown timeout. Weird that 1005 did not, but 1010 does suspend with FreeBSD (& your patch, I didn't try without it again), while 1005 did work with Linux & Windows. That's why I didn't think of upgrading before. I'll report what happens with the original (non patched) kernel later. >> "MI" == Mitsuru IWASAKI writes: MI> Hi, MI> I got ASUS P2B M/B & ATX case and assembled new box yesterday. With MI> my patch, new box successfully transit into suspend state. There is MI> no sounds from CPU fun, chassis fun and IDE HDD spin (powered down by MI> BIOS setting, Power management setup -> PM Timers -> HDD Power Down: MI> 1 Min.). The power led keeps flashing during suspending. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 13:36:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B4B514EB1 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:36:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from plm@smtp3.xs4all.nl) Received: from localhost. (dc2-isdn106.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.148.106]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24290 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:36:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from plm@localhost) by localhost. (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00343; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:36:54 +0200 From: Peter Mutsaers Message-ID: <14264.30309.862889.493890@muon.xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:36:53 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <199908161726.CAA10066@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> References: <199908130352.MAA19931@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> <199908161726.CAA10066@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> X-Mailer: VM 6.65 under Emacs 20.3.1 To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: recent apm changes Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK, here I am once more, after yet another reboot :) Now I'm running an unpatched -current from last week. It behaves almost the same, except for the delay in 'zzz'. That is, the system will go in suspend mode (albeit without spinning down the disks immediately) after a BIOS timeout or power-button press. If I use 'zzz', I have to do the known 'sleep 1; zzz' trick. This is the difference. Regards, -- Peter Mutsaers | Abcoude (Utrecht), | Trust me, I know plm@xs4all.nl | the Netherlands | what I'm doing. ---------------+---------------------+------------------ Powered by FreeBSD (-current). See http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 13:54: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E6E154C1 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:54:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01677; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:53:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908162053.NAA01677@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...] In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:54:13 PDT." <71135.934829653@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:53:10 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Okay, I will bite. What would you call the linux emulator to convey the proper meaning to the suits types? -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 14:16:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E010E156F4 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:16:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-2-55.ucdavis.edu [169.237.16.183]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA62935; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:16:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA67765; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:16:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:16:01 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Alec Wolman Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gnu tar upgrade? Message-ID: <19990816141600.A67747@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199908162036.NAA69812@miles.cs.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199908162036.NAA69812@miles.cs.washington.edu>; from Alec Wolman on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 01:36:08PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I looked at the implementation of fast-read, and it doesn't look > too hard to adapt to the new version of tar. I could create > patches if there is interest.... There is. Upgrading tar is something I've been wanting to do for over a year. Anything to speed me along would be helpful. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 14:26:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974811552B; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:26:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA71683; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:26:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Amancio Hasty Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Brian F. Feldman" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:56:06 PDT." <199908161856.LAA00785@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:26:00 -0700 Message-ID: <71679.934838760@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > So can we have the manufacture and model of your cd-recorder ? 8) Yes, it's a "Smart and Friendly" (gah!) "Rocket Recorder" - it does 8X CDR, 6X CDRW and 24X CD. I like it. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 14:30:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43FBA14E0C; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:30:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA71712; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:30:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: "Brian F. Feldman" Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Amancio Hasty , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:03:21 EDT." Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:30:05 -0700 Message-ID: <71708.934839005@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Wormcontrol uses WORM ioctls, handled by both of the ATAPI drivers. Utterly irrelevant, not that you seem to let it stop you. > But ATA and wcd are both not CAM. dd works just fine. You can solve data See above. dd's unsuitableness for writing CDs has nothing whatsoever to do with CAM. > Your points are arguments to a different set of statements ;) Nope. As usual, you're simply trying to argue your way out of being wrong. Sorry, but being right just isn't the same as being forceful. Perhaps you'll learn that for yourself, given enough time. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 14:35:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (border.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5654C14D86 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:35:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <40332>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:14:21 +1000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:34:00 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: gnu tar upgrade? In-reply-to: <199908162036.NAA69812@miles.cs.washington.edu> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, wolman@cs.washington.edu Message-Id: <99Aug17.071421est.40332@border.alcanet.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alec Wolman wrote: >The version of tar that comes with freebsd (v1.11.2 with local >freebsd modifications) has a bug: if you attempt to copy large >files (> 2GB) it will silently truncate the large file. ... >There is a new version of gnu tar (v1.13) that has support for >large files. > FreeBSD has added the following behavior over >the years: > the --unlink option: > the --norecurse option: > the --bzip and --unbzip options: > the --fast-read option: A check through the CVS logs reveals lots of other changes and enhancements such as: - the builtin regex() code has been replaced with -lgnuregex - 21-bit minor numbers (same as v1.13) - Support for hard-links to files with long names - FreeBSD-specific knowledge of potential names/locations of rsh(1) - support 8-bit filenames - assorted minor bugfixes and compiler-quietenings If we do import GNU tar 1.13 (which I think is probably a good idea), we need to make sure all the `invisible' fixes go in (if they're not there already), as well as the additional options. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 14:36:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DA314BF9; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:36:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01958; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:34:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908162134.OAA01958@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: "Brian F. Feldman" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:26:00 PDT." <71679.934838760@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:34:43 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I take it that the absence of the interface means your cd-recoder uses scsi. Tnks A Lot! > > So can we have the manufacture and model of your cd-recorder ? 8) > > Yes, it's a "Smart and Friendly" (gah!) "Rocket Recorder" - it does > 8X CDR, 6X CDRW and 24X CD. I like it. :) > > - Jordan -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 14:36:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3068315578 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:36:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA71741; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:34:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Amancio Hasty Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...] In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:53:10 PDT." <199908162053.NAA01677@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:34:49 -0700 Message-ID: <71737.934839289@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Others have pretty much already listed my preferences: "Linux compatibility" "Linux ABI support" "Linux binary compatibility" or any of the other obvious permutations thereof... - Jordan > Okay, I will bite. > > What would you call the linux emulator to convey the proper > meaning to the suits types? > > > > > -- > > Amancio Hasty > hasty@rah.star-gate.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 14:38:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B40152A7 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:38:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00861; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:33:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908162133.OAA00861@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:25:14 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:33:12 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Yes, this is very true. But I think we are fooling ourselves if we > > believe linux emulation will not become 'standard' in the near future. > > Then we'll kick ourselves for giving the sysctl's convoluted names :-) > > Yeah... Then, the next in line after "linux" are: ibcs2 and svr4 and > whatever comes next. Can you live with them as main sysctl categories? Adding anything at the top level would be a terrible mistake. Given that "ABI" is a bit obscure, kern.compat is the only sensible choice. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 14:49:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712BB152A7 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:49:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA21674; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:47:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Mike Smith Cc: Andrzej Bialecki , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:33:12 PDT." <199908162133.OAA00861@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:47:55 +0200 Message-ID: <21672.934840075@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199908162133.OAA00861@dingo.cdrom.com>, Mike Smith writes: >> > Yes, this is very true. But I think we are fooling ourselves if we >> > believe linux emulation will not become 'standard' in the near future. >> > Then we'll kick ourselves for giving the sysctl's convoluted names :-) >> >> Yeah... Then, the next in line after "linux" are: ibcs2 and svr4 and >> whatever comes next. Can you live with them as main sysctl categories? >Given that "ABI" is a bit obscure, kern.compat is the only sensible >choice. I think that is too obscure considering the exposure this will get. It doesn't really matter much what we feel about it, linux will be a native and 100% normal binary format for us, if we try to marginalize it we loose in perception. We have things to make us posix compatible at the top level already, I don't see why the linux stuff should live under the top level too. And as father of sysctl, I think this discussion needs to come to a close rather than waste more bandwidth, so unless Mike can convince us why "Adding anything at the top level would be a terrible mistake" I think the conclusion is "linux.*" Last call Mike ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 14:50:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE57B1553C; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:50:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA71933; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:50:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Amancio Hasty Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Brian F. Feldman" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:34:43 PDT." <199908162134.OAA01958@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:50:26 -0700 Message-ID: <71929.934840226@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In my case, you should always assume SCSI unless expressly indicated otherwise. I hate ATAPI devices, no insult to Soren's fine work intended. :) - Jordan > > I take it that the absence of the interface means your cd-recoder uses scsi. > > Tnks A Lot! > > > > > So can we have the manufacture and model of your cd-recorder ? 8) > > > > Yes, it's a "Smart and Friendly" (gah!) "Rocket Recorder" - it does > > 8X CDR, 6X CDRW and 24X CD. I like it. :) > > > > - Jordan > > -- > > Amancio Hasty > hasty@rah.star-gate.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 14:51: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.95.76.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B8215599 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:51:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA22915; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:54:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk) From: Steve Kargl Message-Id: <199908162154.OAA22915@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-Reply-To: <199908162133.OAA00861@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Aug 16, 1999 02:33:12 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: abial@webgiro.com (Andrzej Bialecki), current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > > Yes, this is very true. But I think we are fooling ourselves if we > > > believe linux emulation will not become 'standard' in the near future. > > > Then we'll kick ourselves for giving the sysctl's convoluted names :-) > > > > Yeah... Then, the next in line after "linux" are: ibcs2 and svr4 and > > whatever comes next. Can you live with them as main sysctl categories? > > Adding anything at the top level would be a terrible mistake. > > Given that "ABI" is a bit obscure, kern.compat is the only sensible > choice. > kern.modules seems to be slightly more general in that you can have kern.modules.xxx where xxx is anything under /modules that needs/wants to some tuning via sysctl. -- Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 15:15:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144B815519 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:15:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA72148; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:13:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:00:59 +0200." <15193.934725659@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:13:08 -0700 Message-ID: <72144.934841588@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I kinda like the idea of a top-level compat category; it will keep the top level uncluttered when sysv and iBCS compatibility start requiring their own knobs, and if you put linux at the top level this will later be used as justification for putting all the other "compat" stuff up there too. I think it's a slippery slope. - Jordan > In message <37B6C425.CB48277A@scc.nl>, Marcel Moolenaar writes: > >Hi, > > > >There're a couple of variables in the Linuxulator that can be put under > >sysctl. These include the kernel version and the OSS version, among > >probably others. > > > >The question is simply were in the MIB to put them? > >1) under "kern.linux" > >2) under "kern.emu.linux" > >3) under "linux" > > I vote for 3. > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member > phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." > FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 15:16: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55131593D for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:15:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01088; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:09:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908162209.PAA01088@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Amancio Hasty Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...] In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:53:10 PDT." <199908162053.NAA01677@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:09:10 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Okay, I will bite. > > What would you call the linux emulator to convey the proper > meaning to the suits types? You don't. You say "FreeBSD has Linux binary compatibility", or "FreeBSD will run (most) Linux applications out of the box". -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 15:24:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21097159EC for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:24:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01159; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:17:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908162217.PAA01159@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Mike Smith , Andrzej Bialecki , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:47:55 +0200." <21672.934840075@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:17:54 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >Given that "ABI" is a bit obscure, kern.compat is the only sensible > >choice. > > I think that is too obscure considering the exposure this will get. What "exposure"? It's a backend to a tuning interface for our ABI compatibility... > It doesn't really matter much what we feel about it, linux will be > a native and 100% normal binary format for us, if we try to > marginalize it we loose in perception. I don't see how organising the sysctl namespace in a tidy fashion constitutes "marginalising" anything. > We have things to make us posix compatible at the top level already, > I don't see why the linux stuff should live under the top level too. One wrong... > And as father of sysctl, I think this discussion needs to come to > a close rather than waste more bandwidth, so unless Mike can convince > us why "Adding anything at the top level would be a terrible mistake" > I think the conclusion is "linux.*" For the same reason that fattening any top-level namespace is a bad idea. I mean, why not just put all the Linux libraries in /lib where they expect to be? From the perspective of an integrated namespace, we've already made the wrong moves insofar as vm.* should be kern.vm.*, vfs.* should be kern.vfs.*, etc. Either the entire kernel namespace should have a presumed leading kern. (and the existing kern.* nodes need to move) or we should relocate stuff to reflect a more ubuquitous naming arrangement. (btw, you're not the "father" of sysctl. I might go for "perpetrator" or "culprit" though.) -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 15:28:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (freja.webgiro.com [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7704114CC3 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:28:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7F5D61912; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:28:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E43449D4; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:28:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:28:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Mike Smith Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-Reply-To: <199908162133.OAA00861@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > > Yes, this is very true. But I think we are fooling ourselves if we > > > believe linux emulation will not become 'standard' in the near future. > > > Then we'll kick ourselves for giving the sysctl's convoluted names :-) > > > > Yeah... Then, the next in line after "linux" are: ibcs2 and svr4 and > > whatever comes next. Can you live with them as main sysctl categories? > > Adding anything at the top level would be a terrible mistake. > > Given that "ABI" is a bit obscure, kern.compat is the only sensible > choice. One one hand you're right (it is a compatibility stub) but OTOH it is also a kernel module... ;-) Perhaps modules like this will want to have their stuff in BOTH places, i.e. in kernel.compat and in kernel.modules, depending what the given sysctl does. Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 15:35:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from arnold.neland.dk (mail.neland.dk [194.255.12.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90039152CA; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:35:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arnold.neland.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA63595; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:35:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:35:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Leif Neland To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: "Brian F. Feldman" , Amancio Hasty , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-Reply-To: <70996.934828800@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there an easy way to copy^h^h^h^h make backups from an atapi-cd-reader to a scsi-cd-writer using cd-writer? Leif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 15:35:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9928415599 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:35:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01266; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:30:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908162230.PAA01266@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: Mike Smith , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:28:58 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:30:09 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Given that "ABI" is a bit obscure, kern.compat is the only sensible > > choice. > > One one hand you're right (it is a compatibility stub) but OTOH it is also > a kernel module... ;-) > > Perhaps modules like this will want to have their stuff in BOTH places, > i.e. in kernel.compat and in kernel.modules, depending what the given > sysctl does. Tuning parameters should be organised by function, not by implementation. (Otherwise, think for a moment about a parameter that's used in more than one place...) -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 16: 4: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9225015557 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:03:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA15085; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:59:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: janus.syracuse.net: green owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:59:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian F. Feldman" X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Amancio Hasty , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-Reply-To: <71708.934839005@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Wormcontrol uses WORM ioctls, handled by both of the ATAPI drivers. > > Utterly irrelevant, not that you seem to let it stop you. You bringing up worm(4) was entirely irrelevant. You implied that wormcontrol does not work because the worm old-SCSI driver is gone. Wormcontrol is simply a utility that allows you to issue WORM ioctls to a device. See /usr/src/share/examples/atapi (yes, in -CURRENT too) for exactly how wrong you are about wormcontrol "not working." > > > But ATA and wcd are both not CAM. dd works just fine. You can solve data > > See above. dd's unsuitableness for writing CDs has nothing whatsoever > to do with CAM. Yes, why would it? I simply used your paragraph style: make one statement, then another that is completely unrelated. Oh wait, you mean your writing style utilizing the exact same strategy was _correct_? Give me a break. Your holier-than-thou attitude is getting old, especially when you use things that are entirely unrelated to try to back up the point your never even had. > > > Your points are arguments to a different set of statements ;) > > Nope. As usual, you're simply trying to argue your way out of being > wrong. Sorry, but being right just isn't the same as being forceful. > Perhaps you'll learn that for yourself, given enough time. :) You didn't even reply anything close to what he wanted, and now you're accusing me of the same? What crawled up your pants and died, leaving you chafed and miserable? You see, when you answer someone, try to answer what they asked and they'll appreciate it. > > - Jordan > Brian Fundakowski Feldman _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ green@FreeBSD.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ | _ \._ \ |) | http://www.FreeBSD.org/ _ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 16:14:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D68B156BE for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:12:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA15249; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:08:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: janus.syracuse.net: green owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:08:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian F. Feldman" X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-Reply-To: <72144.934841588@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > I kinda like the idea of a top-level compat category; it will keep the > top level uncluttered when sysv and iBCS compatibility start requiring > their own knobs, and if you put linux at the top level this will later > be used as justification for putting all the other "compat" stuff up > there too. I think it's a slippery slope. > > - Jordan > This is the most convincing argument so far. It's got my vote. One caveat: let's _please_ not use capitalization in the MIB tree as much as possible. Just like the ports, it makes things easier on everyone if we use lower-case (compat.linux, compat.ibcs2, compat.svr4.) Brian Fundakowski Feldman _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ green@FreeBSD.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ | _ \._ \ |) | http://www.FreeBSD.org/ _ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 16:15:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA33155D6; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:09:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id AAA04563; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:31:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 62B648795; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:47:52 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:47:52 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: [URGENT] CVS problems] Message-ID: <19990816234752.A68226@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <37B86A59.9462A5AB@rsv.ricoh.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <37B86A59.9462A5AB@rsv.ricoh.com>; from Mark Jaffe on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 12:45:29PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#5543 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Mark Jaffe: > > CVS is issuing an "out of memory" message on attempting to checkin a > > 12MB file. What can I do? There is 300M of swap on the machine, it is > > running FreeBSD 2.2.8, and CVS says: > > "Concurrent Versions System (CVS) 1.9.26 (client/server)" > > > > I'll post this to the lists, too. Check the limits for the user running the command (datasize & stacksize), both locally and remotely. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #73: Sat Jul 31 15:36:05 CEST 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 16:17:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1535214E10; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:15:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02641; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:11:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908162311.QAA02641@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Brian F. Feldman" Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:59:32 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:11:46 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oh Guys, I simply am trying to get information on which cd-recorder works well on FreeBSD. It will help to avoid confusion and postings if there was a cd-record handbook section explaining all the gory details. Peace -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 16:35: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84CF7152A7; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:35:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA72703; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:34:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: "Brian F. Feldman" Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Amancio Hasty , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:59:32 EDT." Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:34:21 -0700 Message-ID: <72699.934846461@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sigh.. OK, whatever Brian, it's clear that I can't communicate with you and any future correspondence between us will be by way of your mentor, Mike Smith. You had I have had our last public exchange since you're now in my killfile. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 16:38:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n65.san.rr.com (dt011n65.san.rr.com [204.210.13.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9AE156A1 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:38:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by dt011n65.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23278 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:38:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:38:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug X-Sender: doug@dt011n65.san.rr.com To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-Reply-To: <199908162230.PAA01266@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In case anyone cares I'd like to put in a vote for compat.linux. From the design standpoint this balances the needs of prominence and clean top level name space nicely. Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 16:44:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1DC14E7B for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:44:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01689; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:36:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908162336.QAA01689@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Doug Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:38:31 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:36:53 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In case anyone cares I'd like to put in a vote for compat.linux. > >From the design standpoint this balances the needs of prominence and clean > top level name space nicely. And in case it's not clear from the exposition in my message to Poul, I would find this most agreeable too. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 16:45: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B041B14E7B; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:45:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-4-67.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.195]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA70165; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:44:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA68824; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:44:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:44:00 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...] Message-ID: <19990816164400.A68787@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199908162053.NAA01677@rah.star-gate.com> <71737.934839289@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <71737.934839289@localhost>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 02:34:49PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > "Linux compatibility" > "Linux ABI support" > "Linux binary compatibility" The suggested "linux mode", has a nice non-technical simple ring to it. If we called it this, the non-educated might not come away with the wrong idea. Management(tm) may not understand "ABI" and the exact use of "binary". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 16:47:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473FB14DEE; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:47:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA72869; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:46:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: obrien@NUXI.com Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linuxulator: emulation? [was: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB...] In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:44:00 PDT." <19990816164400.A68787@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:46:58 -0700 Message-ID: <72865.934847218@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I agree with this as well. > > "Linux compatibility" > > "Linux ABI support" > > "Linux binary compatibility" > > The suggested "linux mode", has a nice non-technical simple ring to it. > If we called it this, the non-educated might not come away with the wrong > idea. Management(tm) may not understand "ABI" and the exact use of > "binary". > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 16:51:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6FF14DB5 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:51:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-4-67.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.195]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA70208; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:51:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA68852; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:51:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:51:45 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Amancio Hasty Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? Message-ID: <19990816165145.B68787@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <70996.934828800@localhost> <199908161856.LAA00785@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199908161856.LAA00785@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 11:56:06AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > have quite a few Plextor cd recorders so I am wondering if > anyone has any experience with Plextor cd recorders... Excellent experience. I have both their 4x and 8x [SCSI] burners. If you check the various CDROM burner FAQs around, you will also find that Plextors perform better than others in digital audio extraction (if that matters to you). Cdrecord and Plextor just work. :-) Also, Jordan prescribes their CDROM drives. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 16:53:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n65.san.rr.com (dt011n65.san.rr.com [204.210.13.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9E214DB5 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:53:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by dt011n65.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23334; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:53:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:53:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug X-Sender: doug@dt011n65.san.rr.com To: Mike Smith Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-Reply-To: <199908162336.QAA01689@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > In case anyone cares I'd like to put in a vote for compat.linux. > > >From the design standpoint this balances the needs of prominence and clean > > top level name space nicely. > > And in case it's not clear from the exposition in my message to Poul, I > would find this most agreeable too. It dawns on me that this might look like I'm trying to take credit for the idea, which I'm not. I'm just agreeing with those who proposed it already and stating my reasons for agreeing. Doug -- On account of being a democracy and run by the people, we are the only nation in the world that has to keep a government four years, no matter what it does. -- Will Rogers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 18: 9:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from metriclient-1.uoregon.edu (metriclient-1.uoregon.edu [128.223.172.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2977114DF1 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:09:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gurney_j@efn.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by metriclient-1.uoregon.edu (8.9.1/8.8.7) id SAA07407; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19990816180924.56468@hydrogen.fircrest.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:09:24 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Mike Smith Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables References: <21672.934840075@critter.freebsd.dk> <199908162217.PAA01159@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <199908162217.PAA01159@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 03:17:54PM -0700 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith scribbled this message on Aug 16: > >From the perspective of an integrated namespace, we've already made the > wrong moves insofar as vm.* should be kern.vm.*, vfs.* should be > kern.vfs.*, etc. Either the entire kernel namespace should have a > presumed leading kern. (and the existing kern.* nodes need to move) or > we should relocate stuff to reflect a more ubuquitous naming > arrangement. hmmm... last I thought, all of sysctl was information about the kernel, so why don't we stick vm, vfs, net, hw, machdep, user, and p1003_1b all under kern?? I mean, net is all the parameters of the kernel networking, the hw is the hardware the kernel is running on, machdep is more machine dependant (though what is so machine dependance about msgbuf?) info about the kernel, even user contains kernel paramters for the user process... everything could be stuck under kern.* if you really wanted to, and then it just moves the "top" level up to kern.* and doesn't help any... and if we avoid expanding our top levels, we will soon end up w/ sysctl names that are 80+ characters long because they are 10 levels deep... if you can't tell, I'm in favor of the linux.* -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 541 684 8449 Cu Networking P.O. Box 5693, 97405 "The soul contains in itself the event that shall presently befall it. The event is only the actualizing of its thought." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 18:14:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from metriclient-1.uoregon.edu (metriclient-1.uoregon.edu [128.223.172.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB251546F; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:14:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gurney_j@efn.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by metriclient-1.uoregon.edu (8.9.1/8.8.7) id SAA07514; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:14:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19990816181404.41949@hydrogen.fircrest.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:14:04 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: "Brian F. Feldman" Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Poul-Henning Kamp , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables References: <72144.934841588@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: ; from Brian F. Feldman on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 07:08:22PM -0400 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brian F. Feldman scribbled this message on Aug 16: > > be used as justification for putting all the other "compat" stuff up > > there too. I think it's a slippery slope. > > much as possible. Just like the ports, it makes things easier on > everyone if we use lower-case (compat.linux, compat.ibcs2, > compat.svr4.) just to amend my previous comment, I would prefer compat.linux too... -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 541 684 8449 Cu Networking P.O. Box 5693, 97405 "The soul contains in itself the event that shall presently befall it. The event is only the actualizing of its thought." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 18:33:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from bubba.whistle.com (bubba.whistle.com [207.76.205.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068A91546F for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:33:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id SAA25256; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:33:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199908170133.SAA25256@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST In-Reply-To: from Geoff Rehmet at "Aug 16, 1999 10:26:00 am" To: geoffr@is.co.za (Geoff Rehmet) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG ('current@freebsd.org') X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Geoff Rehmet writes: > After the discussions regarding the "log_in_vain" > sysctls, I was thinking about a feature I would > like to implement: > > Instead of sending a RST (for TCP) or Port Unreachable > (for UDP) where the box is not listening on a socket, > I would like to implement a sysctl, which disables the > sending of the RST or the Port unreachable. This is > basically for public servers (like DNS servers), which > I want to turn into black holes on ports where they > are not listening. (This confuses things if someone > strobes the machines, and also makes life a little > more difficult for anyone who tries to portscan them.) > > In default configuration, everything would behave as per > normal, and you would have to set a sysctl MIB before the > behaviour that I have described is displayed. > > Can anyone think of any reason why this feature should > not be implemented? I like that idea... net.inet.{tcp,udp}.drop_in_vain ? -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 18:44:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from beach.silcom.com (beach.silcom.com [199.201.128.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F4114E01 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:44:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from smarter.than.nu (pm0-49.vpop1.avtel.net [207.71.237.49]) by beach.silcom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D14730E; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:44:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian W. Buchanan" X-Sender: brian@smarter.than.nu To: Archie Cobbs Cc: Geoff Rehmet , "'current@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST In-Reply-To: <199908170133.SAA25256@bubba.whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Archie Cobbs wrote: > Geoff Rehmet writes: > > After the discussions regarding the "log_in_vain" > > sysctls, I was thinking about a feature I would > > like to implement: > > > > Instead of sending a RST (for TCP) or Port Unreachable > > (for UDP) where the box is not listening on a socket, > > I would like to implement a sysctl, which disables the > > sending of the RST or the Port unreachable. This is > > behaviour that I have described is displayed. > > > > Can anyone think of any reason why this feature should > > not be implemented? > > I like that idea... net.inet.{tcp,udp}.drop_in_vain ? Why do we need a sysctl knob for this when it can be easily accomplished with IPFW? -- Brian Buchanan brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU -------------------------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 19:19:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from bubba.whistle.com (bubba.whistle.com [207.76.205.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A517015543 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:19:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id TAA01050; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:19:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199908170219.TAA01050@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST In-Reply-To: from "Brian W. Buchanan" at "Aug 16, 1999 06:44:39 pm" To: brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Brian W. Buchanan) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Cc: archie@whistle.com (Archie Cobbs), geoffr@is.co.za (Geoff Rehmet), current@FreeBSD.ORG ('current@freebsd.org') X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brian W. Buchanan writes: > > > Can anyone think of any reason why this feature should > > > not be implemented? > > > > I like that idea... net.inet.{tcp,udp}.drop_in_vain ? > > Why do we need a sysctl knob for this when it can be easily accomplished > with IPFW? Not that easily.. how are you going to make ipfw dynamically know which ports have listeners and which don't? -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 19:38:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cc158233-a.catv1.md.home.com (cc158233-a.catv1.md.home.com [24.3.25.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE5114D15 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:38:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sjr@home.net) Received: (from sjr@localhost) by cc158233-a.catv1.md.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA92253 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:37:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sjr) Message-Id: <199908170237.WAA92253@cc158233-a.catv1.md.home.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:37:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stephen J. Roznowski" Subject: Existance of /var/backups for periodic/daily To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The 200-220 periodic files under daily expect that the directory /var/backups exist when they run to back up various files. If you delete this directory, the "cp" commands will error. There seems to be two ways to fix the files. 1. Add a "if [ ! -d $bak ] ; then exit fi" to the top of the files, or 2. Add a "mkdir -p $bak" to the top. Do others consider this an error, and if so which is the preferred fix? Thanks, -- Stephen J. Roznowski (sjr@home.net) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 19:52:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from wint.itfs.nsk.su (wint.itfs.nsk.su [212.20.32.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0017214D28 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:52:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nnd@wint.itfs.nsk.su) Received: (from nnd@localhost) by wint.itfs.nsk.su (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01806; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:52:40 +0700 (NOVST) (envelope-from nnd) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:52:40 +0700 (NOVST) Message-Id: <199908170252.JAA01806@wint.itfs.nsk.su> From: nnd@mail.nsk.ru To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Can I obtain 'int-cvs-cur' by CTM ? User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990805 ("Preacher Man") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.0-CURRENT (i386)) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Last CTM delta in ftp://ctm.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM-international/int-cvs-cur is 'int-cvs-cur.0114.gz' from May 15 1999. There definitely was commits in International depository after 'may 15'. N.Dudorov To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 19:58: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A6314D28 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:57:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-5-92.ucdavis.edu [169.237.12.92]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA70884; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:58:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA69654; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:58:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:58:22 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Stephen J. Roznowski" Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Existance of /var/backups for periodic/daily Message-ID: <19990816195822.B69622@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199908170237.WAA92253@cc158233-a.catv1.md.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199908170237.WAA92253@cc158233-a.catv1.md.home.com>; from Stephen J. Roznowski on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 10:37:40PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > 1. Add a "if [ ! -d $bak ] ; then exit fi" to the top > of the files, or > 2. Add a "mkdir -p $bak" to the top. > > Do others consider this an error, and if so which is the preferred fix? Both. (2) followed by (1), possible logging a warning. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 20:38:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0988F14DFA for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:38:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10246; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:37:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199908170337.UAA10246@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST In-Reply-To: <199908170133.SAA25256@bubba.whistle.com> from Archie Cobbs at "Aug 16, 1999 06:33:51 pm" To: archie@whistle.com (Archie Cobbs) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Geoff Rehmet writes: > > After the discussions regarding the "log_in_vain" > > sysctls, I was thinking about a feature I would > > like to implement: > > > > Instead of sending a RST (for TCP) or Port Unreachable > > (for UDP) where the box is not listening on a socket, > > I would like to implement a sysctl, which disables the > > sending of the RST or the Port unreachable. This is > > basically for public servers (like DNS servers), which > > I want to turn into black holes on ports where they > > are not listening. (This confuses things if someone > > strobes the machines, and also makes life a little > > more difficult for anyone who tries to portscan them.) > > > > In default configuration, everything would behave as per > > normal, and you would have to set a sysctl MIB before the > > behaviour that I have described is displayed. > > > > Can anyone think of any reason why this feature should > > not be implemented? > > I like that idea... net.inet.{tcp,udp}.drop_in_vain ? > I kinda like the idea of this, but can't that really just be done easily with a few ipfw rules, the last two being the important ones: for port in "22 53" ; do ipfw add allow udp from any to ${myip} ${port} ipfw add allow udp from ${myip} ${port} to any ipfw add allow tcp from any to ${myip} ${port} ipfw add allow tcp from ${myip} ${port} to any done ipfw add deny udp from any to ${myip} ipfw add deny tcp from any to ${myip} Why should we special case this? -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 20:40:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F4714CC0 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:40:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10285; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:41:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199908170341.UAA10285@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST In-Reply-To: <199908170219.TAA01050@bubba.whistle.com> from Archie Cobbs at "Aug 16, 1999 07:19:09 pm" To: archie@whistle.com (Archie Cobbs) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Brian W. Buchanan writes: > > > > Can anyone think of any reason why this feature should > > > > not be implemented? > > > > > > I like that idea... net.inet.{tcp,udp}.drop_in_vain ? > > > > Why do we need a sysctl knob for this when it can be easily accomplished > > with IPFW? > > Not that easily.. how are you going to make ipfw dynamically know > which ports have listeners and which don't? What you going to do about wild card listners: udp 0 0 *.* *.* -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 20:43:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7EA14CC0 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:43:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00408; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:12:27 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990817131226:5835=_"; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" In-Reply-To: <199908170337.UAA10246@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:12:26 +0930 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, (Archie Cobbs) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990817131226:5835=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 17-Aug-99 Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > I kinda like the idea of this, but can't that really just > be done easily with a few ipfw rules, the last two being > the important ones: > > for port in "22 53" ; do > ipfw add allow udp from any to ${myip} ${port} > ipfw add allow udp from ${myip} ${port} to any > ipfw add allow tcp from any to ${myip} ${port} > ipfw add allow tcp from ${myip} ${port} to any > done > ipfw add deny udp from any to ${myip} > ipfw add deny tcp from any to ${myip} > > Why should we special case this? Because this doesn't work for non-passive FTP for starters.. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990817131226:5835=_ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBN7jaIlbYW/HEoF9pAQH6QAQAoTmZcUEGXE+v139G4emHdqJovZHgnfK2 ZAuhkFIxRIs+xcEphyKd8F4FMv33W8p8p9X9cVUkMIHB4gOb7emHEO5QBlE+S3wk n9uPSFdHctByiRoCj5n257OsY10MPsaQw7n6N8lE0slyd5vhcX8gdQjzsTZbIps2 swrE48SxhFE= =JHp4 -----END PGP MESSAGE----- --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990817131226:5835=_-- End of MIME message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 20:50: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C8014E10 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10347; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:49:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199908170349.UAA10347@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Existance of /var/backups for periodic/daily In-Reply-To: <199908170237.WAA92253@cc158233-a.catv1.md.home.com> from "Stephen J. Roznowski" at "Aug 16, 1999 10:37:40 pm" To: sjr@home.net (Stephen J. Roznowski) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The 200-220 periodic files under daily expect that the directory > /var/backups exist when they run to back up various files. If you > delete this directory, the "cp" commands will error. > > There seems to be two ways to fix the files. > > 1. Add a "if [ ! -d $bak ] ; then exit fi" to the top > of the files, or > > 2. Add a "mkdir -p $bak" to the top. > > Do others consider this an error, and if so which is the preferred > fix? I consider it an error, but prefer neither fix, here is something more defensive and verbose in light of failure modes: if [ ! -e $bak ] ; then echo "${0}: $bak missing, creating"; mkdir -p $bak; else if [ ! -d $bak ] ; then echo "${0}: $bak exists and is not a directory, aborting"; exit 1; fi fi -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 20:57:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cs.rpi.edu (mumble.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA0F14E10 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:57:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crossd@cs.rpi.edu) Received: from cs.rpi.edu (monica.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.7.2]) by cs.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA44730; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908170356.XAA44730@cs.rpi.edu> To: Mike Smith Cc: Tom Bartol , "David E. Cross" , current@FreeBSD.ORG, crossd@cs.rpi.edu Subject: Re: yet more TP 600E fun... In-Reply-To: Message from Mike Smith of "Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:02:58 PDT." <199908140502.WAA00524@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:56:24 -0400 From: "David E. Cross" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I modified the biosdisk.c code as follows.... (first part of function) for (unit=0;unitbi_bios_dev) break; if ((unit == nbdinfo ) && (nbdinfo < MAXBDDEV) ) { unit=initial_bootinfo->bi_bios_dev; bdinfo[nbdinfo].bd_unit=unit; bdinfo[nbdinfo].bd_flags=(unit <0x80) ? BD_FLOPPY : 0; printf("Probiobing for bios disk 0x%02x\n", unit); /* I did that to make sure my code was being run*/ if (!bd_int13probe(&bdinfo[nbdinfo])) return 0; printf ("BIOS drive %c is disk%d\n", ...); nbdinfo++; } return 0; } /*end of function */ With these mods it will not find the "0x8b" device, event though the "probing got bios disk..." does indeed print. Suggestions? -- David Cross | email: crossd@cs.rpi.edu Systems Administrator/Research Programmer | Web: http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~crossd Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, | Ph: 518.276.2860 Department of Computer Science | Fax: 518.276.4033 I speak only for myself. | WinNT:Linux::Linux:FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 20:57:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4169414E6E for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:57:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10363; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:56:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199908170356.UAA10363@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST In-Reply-To: from "Daniel O'Connor" at "Aug 17, 1999 01:12:26 pm" To: doconnor@gsoft.com.au (Daniel O'Connor) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On 17-Aug-99 Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > I kinda like the idea of this, but can't that really just > > be done easily with a few ipfw rules, the last two being > > the important ones: > > > > for port in "22 53" ; do > > ipfw add allow udp from any to ${myip} ${port} > > ipfw add allow udp from ${myip} ${port} to any > > ipfw add allow tcp from any to ${myip} ${port} > > ipfw add allow tcp from ${myip} ${port} to any > > done > > ipfw add deny udp from any to ${myip} > > ipfw add deny tcp from any to ${myip} > > > > Why should we special case this? > > Because this doesn't work for non-passive FTP for starters.. Now what would a box with so much security concern such that it needed this knob be doing running an ftp session.... though your point is valid and acceptable for low security boxes. And I can see the real benifit that having this knob for those boxes would be, since it would mean not having to spend the care and attention to create a proper firewall rule set. The idea is okay in the general since, this is an easy knob to add, it would increase the security of some boxes, and not require great configuration pains of writting ipfw rules. Would I use it in place of ipfw for what the original person asked about, no way, not in a million years. If I want a box secure it is going to have ipfw or ipfilter rules down to the last detail. Why, well, it would prevent some junior admin from defeating policy by starting up something we don't want anyone to connect to on that box, like ftpd... IMHO, this know would give some folks a false since of security, but not so much that I would argue about keeping it out. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 21: 1:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4733414E10 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:01:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00692; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:31:18 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990817133118:5835=_"; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" In-Reply-To: <199908170356.UAA10363@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:31:18 +0930 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990817133118:5835=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 17-Aug-99 Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > Would I use it in place of ipfw for what the original person asked > about, no way, not in a million years. If I want a box secure it > is going to have ipfw or ipfilter rules down to the last detail. > Why, well, it would prevent some junior admin from defeating policy > by starting up something we don't want anyone to connect to on that > box, like ftpd... > > IMHO, this know would give some folks a false since of security, > but not so much that I would argue about keeping it out. Well, I'm all in favour for allowing people to shoot themselves in the foot :) IMHO its OK if there is a warning about it. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990817133118:5835=_ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBN7jejlbYW/HEoF9pAQFyBgP+IrPrL1kIyNNtBDZDPJwrJdw+Dc1IL3G/ FKnq1pY3T6jbLkw3uCT90jYmZbO4Ih0FBQCcqpFUXoq2nGnR0JcVBjfSDDfGCcpz DOTRKvCvf0zX3cwncp+Bn+F3VghpOEggBxZmTqKx+HlCR1InNMBE6ubF7kqg33WD GPU6odFMXwk= =L0LB -----END PGP MESSAGE----- --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990817133118:5835=_-- End of MIME message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 21:19:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114BE154DA for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:18:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA80985; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:13:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:13:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: nnd@mail.nsk.ru Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can I obtain 'int-cvs-cur' by CTM ? In-Reply-To: <199908170252.JAA01806@wint.itfs.nsk.su> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 nnd@mail.nsk.ru wrote: > Last CTM delta in > ftp://ctm.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM-international/int-cvs-cur > is 'int-cvs-cur.0114.gz' from May 15 1999. There isn't any "int-cvs-cur", so are you referring to maybe the International Crypto Repository run by Mark Murray out of SA? If not, then please try again, because you've lost me, and I fix ctm stuff (so I should know your answer). ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. (301) 220-2114 | ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 21:53:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cs.rpi.edu (mumble.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EE814C87 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:53:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crossd@cs.rpi.edu) Received: from cs.rpi.edu (monica.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.7.2]) by cs.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA45281; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908170450.AAA45281@cs.rpi.edu> To: "David E. Cross" Cc: Mike Smith , Tom Bartol , current@FreeBSD.ORG, crossd@cs.rpi.edu Subject: Re: yet more TP 600E fun... In-Reply-To: Message from "David E. Cross" of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:56:24 EDT." <199908170356.XAA44730@cs.rpi.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:50:28 -0400 From: "David E. Cross" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok I just tried some other mods... the first was to hard-wire disk0 to be bios device 0x8b. no-go. The second was to patch to 'continue' if it missed a probe, and to limit the probe to the first 0x10 entries... for example: 0x00-0x0f and 0x80-0x8f. How is it that the old boot code works? What is it doing differently, is 0x8b perhaps not the "real" bios boot device unit? -- David Cross | email: crossd@cs.rpi.edu Systems Administrator/Research Programmer | Web: http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~crossd Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, | Ph: 518.276.2860 Department of Computer Science | Fax: 518.276.4033 I speak only for myself. | WinNT:Linux::Linux:FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 21:55:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE131155A6 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:55:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kfarmer@sympatico.ca) Received: from sympatico.ca (ppp12969.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.162.168]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA16484; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37B8EB8F.F7DA55B1@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 04:56:47 +0000 From: Kelvin Farmer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: apm problems. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi, > > My understanding on your problems is: > 1. Standby by PM timer in BIOS setting fails with the system activity. If by fails you mean enters standby mode, then yes the computer enters standby mode while the system is active, after the period of time set in the bios, as long as no keys have been pressed on the keyboard during that time. > 2. No new process can be started after resume. > Is it correct? Yes, although this doesn't happen every time, sometimes everything is ok after a resume. This seems to be very repeatable following these steps. cd /usr/bin cp * /tmp & sleep 1 && apm -z (while copy is still in progress) [hit a key] any new process started freezes, nothing happens (including logins in getty, halt etc). > 1. My laptops also fails if the console or window is updating by the > output from running commands. But standby on other unused console > (ttyv1 or something), monitor blanks. Standby usually never stop > disk activities. > 2. Do you have `calcru: negative time' messages after resume? One of No. > Another possibility is apmd configuration. Is it correctly configured? > Please try to disable apmd to make it clear whether apmd causes > your problem. It does not appear to be apmd causing the problem since it occurs without apmd running. > > Apm does not seem to be behaving correctly on my computer (running > > yesterday's CURRENT) > > Is this first time for you? Have you met the problems before or just > recently? I just recently enabled apm & apmd, I had the problem of it going to standby mode while the system was busy awhile ago so disabled apm, however the problem of not being able to start new process is new. > I'd like to have your dmesg output. Are you using desktop PC, right? Yes, this is a desktop PC. Copyright (c) 1992-1999 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #1: Mon Aug 16 21:14:53 EDT 1999 root@tristal.on.bellglobal.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/TRISTAL Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193343 Hz CPU: AMD-K6tm w/ multimedia extensions (199.93-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x562 Stepping = 2 Features=0x8001bf AMD Features=0x400<> real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) avail memory = 62623744 (61156K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0268000. Probing for PnP devices: CSN 1 Vendor ID: CTL0070 [0x70008c0e] Serial 0xffffffff Comp ID: PNPb02f [0x2fb0d041] Add hook "pcm resume handler" Add hook "pcm suspend handler" pcm1 (SB16pnp sn 0xffffffff) at 0x220-0x22f irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 on isa npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface apm0: on motherboard apm: APM BIOS version 0102 apm: Code16 0xc00f0000, Data 0xc0000400 apm: Code entry 0x0000ef50, Idling CPU disabled, Management enabled apm: CS_limit=0xffff, DS_limit=0xffff apm: Engaged control enabled apm: found APM BIOS v1.2, connected at v1.2 apm: Slow Idling CPU disabled Add hook "default suspend" Add hook "default resume" pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 ata-pci0: at device 7.1 on pci0 ata-pci0: Busmastering DMA supported ata0 at 0x01f0 irq 14 on ata-pci0 ata1 at 0x0170 irq 15 on ata-pci0 vga-pci0: irq 11 at device 20.0 on pci0 isa0: on motherboard fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> vga0: at port 0x3b0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A ppc0 at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: PC87306 chipset (PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode lpt0: on ppbus 0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ata0: master: setting up WDMA2 mode on PIIX3/4 chip OK ad0: ATA-? disk at ata0 as master ad0: 1222MB (2503872 sectors), 2484 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad0: piomode=4, dmamode=2, udmamode=-1 ad0: 16 secs/int, 0 depth queue, DMA mode ata1: master: setting up WDMA2 mode on PIIX3/4 chip OK ad1: ATA-3 disk at ata1 as master ad1: 2014MB (4124736 sectors), 4092 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad1: piomode=4, dmamode=2, udmamode=2 ad1: 16 secs/int, 0 depth queue, DMA mode atapi: piomode=3, dmamode=-1, udmamode=-1 atapi: PIO transfer mode set acd0: CDROM drive at ata0 as slave acd0: drive speed 1378KB/sec, 128KB cache acd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-DA acd0: Audio: play, 256 volume levels acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray acd0: Medium: no/blank disc inside, unlocked changing root device to wd1s1a APM ioctl: cmd = 0x20005005 called apm_event_enable() apmwrite: event 0x2 enabled apmwrite: event 0x3 enabled apmwrite: event 0xa enabled apmwrite: event 0xb enabled To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 22:12:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from infoteka.nsk.ru (infoteka.nsk.ru [212.20.32.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7ABFC14BE6 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:12:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nnd@infoteka.nsk.ru) Received: (qmail 19966 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 1999 05:11:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19990817121126.15625@mail.nsk.ru> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:11:26 +0700 From: "Nickolay N.Dudorov" To: Chuck Robey Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can I obtain 'int-cvs-cur' by CTM ? References: <199908170252.JAA01806@wint.itfs.nsk.su> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: ; from Chuck Robey on Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 12:13:33AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 12:13:33AM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 nnd@mail.nsk.ru wrote: > > > Last CTM delta in > > ftp://ctm.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM-international/int-cvs-cur > > is 'int-cvs-cur.0114.gz' from May 15 1999. > > There isn't any "int-cvs-cur", so are you referring to maybe the And what is (or was earlier) at the URL I post here ? > International Crypto Repository run by Mark Murray out of SA? I refer to the "CTM interface" to "International Crypto Repository run by Mark Murray...". (More precisely about "ftp-ing" CTM deltas from some servers - f.e. 'ctm.freebsd.org'). I can't ftp CTM deltas from internat.freebsd.org directly - there are some problems to connect from Siberia to SA ;-) N.Dudorov > > If not, then please try again, because you've lost me, and I fix ctm > stuff (so I should know your answer). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 22:35:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rucus.ru.ac.za (rucus.ru.ac.za [146.231.29.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A28514C15 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:35:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoff@rucus.ru.ac.za) Received: (qmail 68406 invoked by uid 268); 17 Aug 1999 05:36:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19990817053636.68405.qmail@rucus.ru.ac.za> Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST In-Reply-To: <199908170356.UAA10363@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at "Aug 16, 1999 08:56:54 pm" To: current@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:36:36 +0200 (SAST) Reply-To: "Geoff Rehmet" From: "Geoff Rehmet" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rodney W. Grimes writes : > > > > Now what would a box with so much security concern such that > it needed this knob be doing running an ftp session.... though > your point is valid and acceptable for low security boxes. And > I can see the real benifit that having this knob for those boxes > would be, since it would mean not having to spend the care and > attention to create a proper firewall rule set. > > The idea is okay in the general since, this is an easy knob to > add, it would increase the security of some boxes, and not require > great configuration pains of writting ipfw rules. .... > > IMHO, this know would give some folks a false since of security, > but not so much that I would argue about keeping it out. I never intended this idea as a replacement for ipfw, but rather as a simple setup, which can be done to make a SMALL improvement in security, and just make the lives of inquisitive or nasty people a little harder. Maybe I will eventually decide I want ipfw on some of the boxes concerned, but that is trickier on machines like public ftp servers. Also, the machines concerned already sit behind a packet filtering firewall setup, which is being slated for a $100000 upgrade over the next year anyhow, so this is not for machines that act as any primary line of defense. I'm also making the assumption that the machines concerned are being looked after by competent admins. (A lot to assume sometimes.) It seems, though, that there are no serious objections to this kind of feature. I was thinking of calling it net.inet.tcp.blackhole, and net.inet.udp.blackhole rather than "drop_in_vain". Any advances on that. I never quite cottoned onto the "in vain" bit - it seems a bit obscure, personally, I prefer the idea of the machine behaving like a black hole - refused connections no longer "reflect" off it. :-) Geoff. -- Geoff Rehmet, The Internet Solution geoffr@is.co.za; geoff@rucus.ru.ac.za; csgr@freebsd.org tel: +27-83-292-5800 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 22:45:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7312E155BE for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:45:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA23241; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:43:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Mike Smith Cc: Andrzej Bialecki , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:17:54 PDT." <199908162217.PAA01159@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:43:20 +0200 Message-ID: <23239.934868600@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199908162217.PAA01159@dingo.cdrom.com>, Mike Smith writes: >> I think that is too obscure considering the exposure this will get. > >What "exposure"? It's a backend to a tuning interface for our ABI >compatibility... We will be judged on how well we run linux more than many other sane factors in the future. >>From the perspective of an integrated namespace, we've already made the >wrong moves insofar as vm.* should be kern.vm.*, vfs.* should be >kern.vfs.*, etc. Either the entire kernel namespace should have a >presumed leading kern. (and the existing kern.* nodes need to move) or >we should relocate stuff to reflect a more ubuquitous naming >arrangement. You know, all your argument here supports is that the "kern" toplevel tree is a mistake :-) -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 22:52:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3260614CA5 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:52:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA23357; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:51:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Mike Smith Cc: Doug , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:36:53 PDT." <199908162336.QAA01689@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:51:39 +0200 Message-ID: <23355.934869099@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199908162336.QAA01689@dingo.cdrom.com>, Mike Smith writes: >> In case anyone cares I'd like to put in a vote for compat.linux. >> >From the design standpoint this balances the needs of prominence and clean >> top level name space nicely. > >And in case it's not clear from the exposition in my message to Poul, I >would find this most agreeable too. Cool! Concensus, (I thought "compat" was on the black list with "emulation" ?) Now everybody shut up and code! -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 23:40:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FC414D67 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA42151; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:40:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id AAA36886; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:40:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908170640.AAA36886@harmony.village.org> To: Geoff Rehmet Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST Cc: "'current@freebsd.org'" In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:26:00 +0200." References: Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:40:49 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Geoff Rehmet writes: : In default configuration, everything would behave as per : normal, and you would have to set a sysctl MIB before the : behaviour that I have described is displayed. : : Can anyone think of any reason why this feature should : not be implemented? How would this be different than a packet filter on inbound connections? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 23:44:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2AAF14D67 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:44:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA38060; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:42:55 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199908170642.IAA38060@gratis.grondar.za> To: nnd@mail.nsk.ru Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can I obtain 'int-cvs-cur' by CTM ? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:42:55 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Last CTM delta in > ftp://ctm.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM-international/int-cvs-cur > is 'int-cvs-cur.0114.gz' from May 15 1999. > > There definitely was commits in International depository > after 'may 15'. Send me the address you want them to go to and I'll add you. M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 23:45:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF5A14D67 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:45:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA42168; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:45:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id AAA36916; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:46:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908170646.AAA36916@harmony.village.org> To: Archie Cobbs Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST Cc: brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (Brian W. Buchanan), geoffr@is.co.za (Geoff Rehmet), current@FreeBSD.ORG ('current@freebsd.org') In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:19:09 PDT." <199908170219.TAA01050@bubba.whistle.com> References: <199908170219.TAA01050@bubba.whistle.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:46:04 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199908170219.TAA01050@bubba.whistle.com> Archie Cobbs writes: : Not that easily.. how are you going to make ipfw dynamically know : which ports have listeners and which don't? By filtering all RST packets? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 23:47:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5080714D67 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:47:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.196.232]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAB5490; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:47:57 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA71311; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:48:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:48:00 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Doug Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Smith Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables Message-ID: <19990817084800.B70887@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <199908162230.PAA01266@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 04:38:31PM -0700 Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Doug (Doug@gorean.org) [990817 03:40]: > In case anyone cares I'd like to put in a vote for compat.linux. >From the design standpoint this balances the needs of prominence and clean >top level name space nicely. Count me as another in favor of Mike's explanation. Like Mike said, there were a few mistakes already at the top, and IMHO linux ABI stuff doesn't justify a top-level assignment since in fact it's a remapping of Linux calls to FreeBSD equivalent calls, not a true implementation of Linux. So compat.* sounds way more sensible to shim- like implementations. Just my 0.02 euro's. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at its best Take thy beak from out my heart and take thy form from off my door! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 23:48:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC74E15620 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:48:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA11348; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:18:13 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990817161813:5786=_"; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" In-Reply-To: <199908170646.AAA36916@harmony.village.org> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:18:13 +0930 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Warner Losh Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST Cc: ('current@freebsd.org') Cc: ('current@freebsd.org') , (Geoff Rehmet) , (Brian W. Buchanan) , Archie Cobbs Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990817161813:5786=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 17-Aug-99 Warner Losh wrote: > : Not that easily.. how are you going to make ipfw dynamically know > : which ports have listeners and which don't? > By filtering all RST packets? The defeats the purpose of having the computer not generate them in the first place.. Well not totally I suppose, but at least part of the advantage of dropping them completely would be that the machine wouldn't spend any time doing it at all... --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990817161813:5786=_ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBN7kFrVbYW/HEoF9pAQG76wQAmvk2sySVkjcQRqvr0tK5fdPlR8tw14xb LZAkWaeC+Ac00KBobrW+cLzCdKgMln7L3rG+S+qfhFx+651YAIGlSOYm8vraGbho YihkNg5DTY72XKLi7uieV7sJ0yJBTeym8dJKYrQDJyKEtzEgOzEHKwvwCvHHA8ay tgupwu8kAIk= =PVor -----END PGP MESSAGE----- --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990817161813:5786=_-- End of MIME message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 23:49:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5F3155B5 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:49:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12148; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:48:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199908170648.XAA12148@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST In-Reply-To: <19990817053636.68405.qmail@rucus.ru.ac.za> from Geoff Rehmet at "Aug 17, 1999 07:36:36 am" To: geoffr@is.co.za (Geoff Rehmet) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Rodney W. Grimes writes : > > > > > > > Now what would a box with so much security concern such that > > it needed this knob be doing running an ftp session.... though > > your point is valid and acceptable for low security boxes. And > > I can see the real benifit that having this knob for those boxes > > would be, since it would mean not having to spend the care and > > attention to create a proper firewall rule set. > > > > The idea is okay in the general since, this is an easy knob to > > add, it would increase the security of some boxes, and not require > > great configuration pains of writting ipfw rules. > .... > > > > IMHO, this know would give some folks a false since of security, > > but not so much that I would argue about keeping it out. > > I never intended this idea as a replacement for ipfw, but rather > as a simple setup, which can be done to make a SMALL improvement > in security, and just make the lives of inquisitive or nasty people > a little harder. Maybe I will eventually decide I want ipfw on some > of the boxes concerned, but that is trickier on machines like > public ftp servers. Also, the machines concerned already sit > behind a packet filtering firewall setup, which is being slated for > a $100000 upgrade over the next year anyhow, so this is not for > machines that act as any primary line of defense. > > I'm also making the assumption that the machines concerned are being > looked after by competent admins. (A lot to assume sometimes.) > > It seems, though, that there are no serious objections to this kind > of feature. I was thinking of calling it > net.inet.tcp.blackhole, and > net.inet.udp.blackhole This is an ACK. I like those names, the idea is okay given that the documentation for it reflects what has been discussed here in this thread so folks can understand this is a very simple security measure. And it works just like a blackhole route does... if no more specfic route exists we send the packet to a bit bucket, now someone want to make the routing code under ``port routes'' :-) :-)... > > rather than "drop_in_vain". Any advances on that. I never quite > cottoned onto the "in vain" bit - it seems a bit obscure, personally, > I prefer the idea of the machine behaving like a black hole - > refused connections no longer "reflect" off it. :-) Perhaps one more word in the mib name to reflect that it applies to sockets without listners is all I can think of, but not sure what to add to the name to make this clear. mib's tend to be breif anyway. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 23:50:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB0D15626 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:50:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA38075; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:43:41 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199908170643.IAA38075@gratis.grondar.za> To: Chuck Robey Cc: nnd@mail.nsk.ru, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can I obtain 'int-cvs-cur' by CTM ? Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:43:41 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > There isn't any "int-cvs-cur", so are you referring to maybe the > International Crypto Repository run by Mark Murray out of SA? Yes, he is :-). M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Mon Aug 16 23:51:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.is.co.za (mercury.is.co.za [196.4.160.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C53155B5 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:51:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoffr@is.co.za) Received: from ISJHBEX (isjhbexnode.is.co.za [196.26.1.2]) by mercury.is.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00592; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:46:16 +0200 Received: by isjhbex.is.co.za with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:55:23 +0200 Message-ID: From: Geoff Rehmet To: "'Warner Losh'" , Archie Cobbs Cc: brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Dropping connections without RST Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:55:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <199908170219.TAA01050@bubba.whistle.com> Archie > Cobbs writes: > : Not that easily.. how are you going to make ipfw dynamically know > : which ports have listeners and which don't? > > By filtering all RST packets? My view was that this is much simpler than filtering packets - never generate the packet. My guess is that it creates lower overheads. In some instances, I don't want to look at every packet (which in effect happens with a packet filter). Geoff. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 0: 1:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6E7155B5 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:01:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA38192; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:59:15 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <199908170659.IAA38192@gratis.grondar.za> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:59:14 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I kinda like the idea of a top-level compat category; it will keep the > top level uncluttered when sysv and iBCS compatibility start requiring > their own knobs, and if you put linux at the top level this will later > be used as justification for putting all the other "compat" stuff up > there too. I think it's a slippery slope. Agreed. Sysctl's have a decent hierarchical structure; let's use it. Examples of broken/unused hierarchical structures: o .COM namespace. o Average DOS user's hard disk management (everything off root). M -- Mark Murray Join the anti-SPAM movement: http://www.cauce.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 0: 2:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD191562F for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:02:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12199; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199908170700.AAA12199@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST In-Reply-To: <199908170646.AAA36916@harmony.village.org> from Warner Losh at "Aug 17, 1999 00:46:04 am" To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <199908170219.TAA01050@bubba.whistle.com> Archie Cobbs writes: > : Not that easily.. how are you going to make ipfw dynamically know > : which ports have listeners and which don't? > > By filtering all RST packets? That would be closer than my set of rules, but has the undesired effect of filtering what may be a RST packet from a valid program that has exited for some strange reason who was infact a listner. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 0: 5:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from bubba.whistle.com (bubba.whistle.com [207.76.205.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2F5155C7 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:05:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id AAA02218; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:05:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199908170705.AAA02218@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST In-Reply-To: from Geoff Rehmet at "Aug 17, 1999 08:55:23 am" To: geoffr@is.co.za (Geoff Rehmet) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Cc: imp@village.org ('Warner Losh'), archie@whistle.com (Archie Cobbs), brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Geoff Rehmet writes: > > : Not that easily.. how are you going to make ipfw dynamically know > > : which ports have listeners and which don't? > > > > By filtering all RST packets? > > My view was that this is much simpler than filtering packets - > never generate the packet. My guess is that it creates lower > overheads. In some instances, I don't want to look at every > packet (which in effect happens with a packet filter). Plus, packets with RST in them are used for other purposes besides rejecting new incoming connections.. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 0: 7: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.is.co.za (mercury.is.co.za [196.4.160.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AEA155C7 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:06:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoffr@is.co.za) Received: from ISJHBEX (isjhbexnode.is.co.za [196.26.1.2]) by mercury.is.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02191; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:02:06 +0200 Received: by isjhbex.is.co.za with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:11:14 +0200 Message-ID: From: Geoff Rehmet To: "'Rodney W. Grimes'" , Geoff Rehmet , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Dropping connections without RST Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:11:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > This is an ACK. I like those names, the idea is okay given that > the documentation for it reflects what has been discussed here in > this thread so folks can understand this is a very simple security > measure. Hmm, dumb question for the day - where are things like "log_in_vain" documented. - And don't anyone say "in /etc/defaults/rc.conf"! If there is a manpage, I sure as hell haven't found it! Looks like I'm volunteering to write a manpage for the net.inet sysctls - or does one exist? - I sure as hell can't find it! > > And it works just like a blackhole route does... if no more specfic > route exists we send the packet to a bit bucket, now someone want > to make the routing code under ``port routes'' :-) :-)... That sounds rather like a plug gateway. :-) :-) A kernel level plug gateway would be quite a funky thing though. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 0:11:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.is.co.za (mercury.is.co.za [196.4.160.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067B3156FC for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:11:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoffr@is.co.za) Received: from ISJHBEX (isjhbexnode.is.co.za [196.26.1.2]) by mercury.is.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02497; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:05:32 +0200 Received: by isjhbex.is.co.za with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:14:31 +0200 Message-ID: From: Geoff Rehmet To: "'Archie Cobbs'" Cc: imp@village.org, brian@CSUA.Berkeley.EDU, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Dropping connections without RST Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:14:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Geoff Rehmet writes: > > > : Not that easily.. how are you going to make ipfw > dynamically know > > > : which ports have listeners and which don't? > > > > > > By filtering all RST packets? > > > > My view was that this is much simpler than filtering packets - > > never generate the packet. My guess is that it creates lower > > overheads. In some instances, I don't want to look at every > > packet (which in effect happens with a packet filter). > > Plus, packets with RST in them are used for other purposes besides > rejecting new incoming connections.. True, my implementation is specific that I only omit generating a RST when the icoming segment is a SYN. All other instances where you would generate a RST are left alone, and carry on behaving as before - otherwise you might break TCP behaviour. Geoff. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 0:12:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7EAB1592B for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:12:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12247; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:12:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199908170712.AAA12247@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST In-Reply-To: from Geoff Rehmet at "Aug 17, 1999 09:11:13 am" To: geoffr@is.co.za (Geoff Rehmet) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] > > > > > > This is an ACK. I like those names, the idea is okay given that > > the documentation for it reflects what has been discussed here in > > this thread so folks can understand this is a very simple security > > measure. > Hmm, dumb question for the day - where are things like "log_in_vain" > documented. - And don't anyone say "in /etc/defaults/rc.conf"! > If there is a manpage, I sure as hell haven't found it! > > Looks like I'm volunteering to write a manpage for the net.inet > sysctls - or does one exist? - I sure as hell can't find it! :-), you put your keyboard in it now!!! > > > > > And it works just like a blackhole route does... if no more specfic > > route exists we send the packet to a bit bucket, now someone want > > to make the routing code under ``port routes'' :-) :-)... > That sounds rather like a plug gateway. :-) :-) Yes, exactly, only BETTER... > A kernel level plug gateway would be quite a funky thing though. :-) Not really, given that one could then extend OSPF to pass a new type of route augmented by a port number and cause this stuff to ``just work''. You could do things like multiple redundant servers with automagic equal cost path load balancing for all sorts of stuff. Doing it in user land is currently possible with ipfw divert's, but the kernel already has most of the code in there, including the port demuxer. Okay, I'll put the crack pipe down now.... :-) :-)... I just read that back to myself and realized that this is probably best left to userland code... -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 0:17: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.is.co.za (mercury.is.co.za [196.4.160.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B890B14DFB for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:16:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoffr@is.co.za) Received: from ISJHBEX (isjhbexnode.is.co.za [196.26.1.2]) by mercury.is.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA03085; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:11:33 +0200 Received: by isjhbex.is.co.za with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:20:41 +0200 Message-ID: From: Geoff Rehmet To: "'Rodney W. Grimes'" , Geoff Rehmet Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Dropping connections without RST Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:20:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Looks like I'm volunteering to write a manpage for the net.inet > > sysctls - or does one exist? - I sure as hell can't find it! > > :-), you put your keyboard in it now!!! Yup, well I need the pointy hat too. A grep through the man tree shows references to various sysctl MIBs hidden all over the place! A bit of manpage updating is called for. Definitely looks worth doing, especially seeing I am trying evangelise FreeBSD in a very strong Linux shop! :-) geoff. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 1:17: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (mail.palmerharvey.co.uk [62.172.109.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C4815630 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 01:17:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Dom.Mitchell@palmerharvey.co.uk) Received: from ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk (unverified) by mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:15:50 +0100 Received: from voodoo.pandhm.co.uk (VOODOO [10.100.35.12]) by ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id Q99XZGJF; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:15:40 +0100 Received: from dom by voodoo.pandhm.co.uk with local (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11GePi-000Djr-00; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:16:10 +0100 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:16:10 +0100 To: Steve Kargl Cc: Mike Smith , Andrzej Bialecki , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables Message-Id: <19990817091609.A52669@voodoo.pandhm.co.uk> References: <199908162133.OAA00861@dingo.cdrom.com> <199908162154.OAA22915@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <199908162154.OAA22915@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>; from Steve Kargl on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 02:54:53PM -0700 From: Dominic Mitchell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 02:54:53PM -0700, Steve Kargl wrote: > kern.modules seems to be slightly more general in that you can > have kern.modules.xxx where xxx is anything under /modules that > needs/wants to some tuning via sysctl. This is daft. Given that we are planning on makeing everything dynamically configurable, there should be little to no differences as to whether something is a module or not. And besides, what about all the modules whose static equivalents already have entries in the sysctl space, like nfs? -- Dom Mitchell -- Palmer & Harvey McLane -- Unix Systems Administrator "Finally, when replying to messages only quote the parts of the message your will be discussing or that are relevant. Quoting whole messages and adding two lines at the top is not good etiquette." -- Elias Levy -- ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ********************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 1:32: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1452015630 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 01:31:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11Gebj-0001pl-00; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:28:35 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:27:57 +0200." <14546.934712877@critter.freebsd.dk> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:28:34 +0200 Message-ID: <7049.934878514@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:27:57 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > 4. [not quite easy] The CCD device ditto. > Earn brownie points: Make ccdconfig use sysctl instead of > libkvm to read back configuration. Anyone who decides to tackle this one is likely to have the wherewithall to test a PR which I can't right now -- PR 10077: PR: 10077 Class: kern Synopsis: dd'ing a ccd stripped partition sometimes hangs in physstr Thanks, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 1:55:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gaia.euronet.nl (gaia.euronet.nl [194.134.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F298214DE7 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 01:55:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-current@scc.nl) Received: from mail.scc.nl (i224.ztm.euronet.nl [194.134.67.25]) by gaia.euronet.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19630 from for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:54:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by mail.scc.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA38713 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:32:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd-current@scc.nl) Received: from GATEWAY by scones.sup.scc.nl with netnews for current@FreeBSD.ORG (current@FreeBSD.ORG) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:32:15 +0200 From: Marcel Moolenaar Message-ID: <37B91E0F.A6EBC147@scc.nl> Organization: SCC vof Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Linuxulator: Conclusions Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, 1. The Linuxulator sysctl knobs will be placed under compat.linux 2. The preferred way to advocate the Linuxulator is "Linux mode" Thanks everyone for the input. Now back to Chuck, -- Marcel Moolenaar mailto:marcel@scc.nl SCC Internetworking & Databases http://www.scc.nl/ Amsterdam, The Netherlands tel: +31 20 4200655 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 3:17:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from backup.af.speednet.com.au (af.speednet.com.au [202.135.206.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCD814F77 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 03:16:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by backup.af.speednet.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA78093; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:14:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:14:22 +1000 (EST) From: Andy Farkas X-Sender: andyf@localhost To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Alec Wolman , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gnu tar upgrade? In-Reply-To: <19990816141600.A67747@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Upgrading tar is something I've been wanting to do for over a > year. Anything to speed me along would be helpful. > Well, like the README file in src/gnu/usr.bin/tar says: "This GNU tar 1.11.2. Please send bug reports, etc., to bug-gnu-utils@prep.ai.mit.edu. This is a beta-test release. Please ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ try it out. There is no manual; the release of version 1.12 will contain a manual." [the file is dated Jun 18, 1993!] Doesn't give one much confidence in the quality of the software, especially if you don't know its been heavily modified... Also, our tar has never been compatible with Amanda-2.41p1 (one must install gnu-tar 1.12 + patches). -- :{ andyf@speednet.com.au Andy Farkas System Administrator Speednet Communications http://www.speednet.com.au/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 6:45:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F2E15690; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 06:45:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id PAA32649; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:09:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20996; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:01:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199908171001.MAA20996@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-Reply-To: <199908162311.QAA02641@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Aug 16, 1999 4:11:46 pm" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:01:29 +0200 (CEST) Cc: green@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Amancio Hasty wrote ... > Oh Guys, > > I simply am trying to get information on which cd-recorder works Sigh. This sounds a bit like how the whole Balkan thing got out of hand. > well on FreeBSD. It will help to avoid confusion and postings if > there was a cd-record handbook section explaining all the gory > details. Input to the original question: I've been running a Philips CDD3600 SCSI writer with 3.2-stable over the last couple of months. Works fine with cdrecord. Every now and then it needs a knock over the head with a SCSI reset (camcontrol comes in handy) to have cdrecord work with it. Smells a bit like a firmware bug. Other than that it works just fine, no coasters yet (attributable to the drive that is, the only one I made was trying to force 800Mb on a 74min CDR ;-) It's signature: cd1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 3 lun 0 cd1: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15) cd1: cd present [54776 x 2048 byte records] It is a 2x writer, so not fast by todays standards. But around here the are cheap, US$200-250 I think. I traded mine for a tape drive. Wilko -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 7:16:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gungnir.fnal.gov (gungnir.fnal.gov [131.225.80.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6A715692 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:16:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crawdad@gungnir.fnal.gov) Received: from gungnir.fnal.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gungnir.fnal.gov (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02482 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:17:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908171417.JAA02482@gungnir.fnal.gov> To: current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Matt Crawford" Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:37:09 PDT. <199908170337.UAA10246@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:17:11 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I see no point in the proposed mechanism. The scanner can still tell the difference between a port with a listener and a port with none. The only case in which the attacker is confounded would be in distinguishing a box which is down or off the net from a box which has *no* services and does not answer ping. I call that an uninteresting case. In the endless volley between attacker and defender, this would be a very feeble shot indeed. ______________________________________________________________________________ Matt Crawford crawdad@fnal.gov Fermilab "A5.1.5.2.7.1. Remove all classified and CCI boards from the COMSEC equipment, thoroughly smash them with a hammer or an ax, and scatter the pieces." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 8:30:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from par28.ma.ikos.com (par28.ma.ikos.com [137.103.105.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A357214CD3 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:30:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tich@par28.ma.ikos.com) Received: (from tich@localhost) by par28.ma.ikos.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA29024; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:30:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:30:04 -0400 From: Richard Cownie Message-Id: <199908171530.LAA29024@par28.ma.ikos.com> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: gdb Cc: tich@par28.ma.ikos.com Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I have a problem with gdb in 4.0-CURRENT. gdb-4.18 is almost completely useless for debugging C++ - oveload resolution is completely broken, and attempting to call functions frequently causes it to hang. I believe this is true on linux and solaris as well, gdb-4.18 is just not healthy. So to do any real work you need gdb-4.17, which is a great advance on its successor. However, the port of gdb-4.17 has disappeared, and the old port in my version 4.0-19990604-CURRENT does not build. Does anyone have patches to get gdb-4.17 working in 4.0-CURRENT ? Thanks Richard Cownie (tich@ma.ikos.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 9: 7: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732951570C for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:06:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA25599; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:06:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:06:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199908171606.MAA25599@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Warner Losh Cc: Geoff Rehmet , "'current@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST In-Reply-To: <199908170640.AAA36886@harmony.village.org> References: <199908170640.AAA36886@harmony.village.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > How would this be different than a packet filter on inbound > connections? It would work in open network environments. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 9:28:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ewok.creative.net.au (ewok.creative.net.au [203.30.44.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D8991503B for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:28:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 8876 invoked by uid 1008); 17 Aug 1999 16:28:49 -0000 From: adrian@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:28:49 +0800 To: Geoff Rehmet Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST Message-ID: <19990818002849.A8839@ewok.creative.net.au> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Geoff Rehmet on Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 09:20:39AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Aug 17, 1999, Geoff Rehmet wrote: > > > Looks like I'm volunteering to write a manpage for the net.inet > > > sysctls - or does one exist? - I sure as hell can't find it! > > > > :-), you put your keyboard in it now!!! > Yup, > > well I need the pointy hat too. A grep through the man tree shows > references to various sysctl MIBs hidden all over the place! > > A bit of manpage updating is called for. Definitely looks worth > doing, especially seeing I am trying evangelise FreeBSD in a very > strong Linux shop! :-) If you're still volunteering, write a script to generate a sysctl description map from the sysctl's in the kernel.. That would be very nice, and would kickstart me into finishing documenting all sysctls. :P Adrian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 9:32:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0D31574D for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:32:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA12862; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:31:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA01918; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:31:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908171631.JAA01918@vashon.polstra.com> To: randy@psg.com Subject: Re: make cvsup broken In-Reply-To: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: current@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article , Randy Bush wrote: > ===> client > m3build > mkdir FreeBSD2 > --- building in FreeBSD2 --- > "/usr/ports/net/cvsup/work/cvsup-16.0/client/src/m3makefile", line 1: unable to read ".M3EXPORTS" > from directory "FreeBSD2" of package "formsvbt" (/usr/local/lib/m3/pkg/formsvbt) I don't believe the port is broken. Nobody has changed it recently. Maybe your disk filled up. Maybe you ran out of memory. Make sure you have plenty of swap, and use "ulimit" or "limit" to remove any memory-related resource limits prior to building the port. From the weird stuff in your other recent bug reports, I also think it's entirely possible that your hardware or kernel or filesystems are messed up. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up." -- Nora Ephron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 9:43:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF8A156F6 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:43:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA12901; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:41:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA02146; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:41:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908171641.JAA02146@vashon.polstra.com> To: geoffr@is.co.za Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST In-Reply-To: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: current@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article , Geoff Rehmet wrote: > > > > Plus, packets with RST in them are used for other purposes besides > > rejecting new incoming connections.. > > True, my implementation is specific that I only omit generating > a RST when the icoming segment is a SYN. All other instances > where you would generate a RST are left alone, and carry on > behaving as before - otherwise you might break TCP behaviour. I like the idea. However, something a _little_ more sophisticated would be nice. The policy you describe above wouldn't work against stealth probes. From the nmap man page: -sF -sX -sN Stealth FIN, Xmas Tree, or Null scan modes: There are times when even SYN scanning isn't clandestine enough. Some firewalls and packet filters watch for SYNs to restricted ports, and programs like Synlog- ger and Courtney are available to detect these scans. These advanced scans, on the other hand, may be able to pass through unmolested. The idea is that closed ports are required to reply to your probe packet with an RST, while open ports must ignore the packets in question (see RFC 794 pp 64). The FIN scan uses a bare (surprise) FIN packet as the probe, while the Xmas tree scan turns on the FIN, URG, and PUSH flags. The Null scan turns off all flags. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up." -- Nora Ephron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 10: 5:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from arnold.neland.dk (mail.neland.dk [194.255.12.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6DBA15640 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:05:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arnold.neland.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA78427; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:00:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:00:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Leif Neland To: Matt Crawford Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST In-Reply-To: <199908171417.JAA02482@gungnir.fnal.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Matt Crawford wrote: > I see no point in the proposed mechanism. The scanner can still tell > the difference between a port with a listener and a port with none. > The only case in which the attacker is confounded would be in > distinguishing a box which is down or off the net from a box which > has *no* services and does not answer ping. I call that an > uninteresting case. > When scanning, I guess one needs to have some delay to determine if something is there or not. If you want to hide some listener, you often can afford a fairly long timeout. This will confuse the attacker, having to wait a long time on each port to see if it is a black hole or a slow listener. It will delay simple sequential scanning where the attacker scans one port and waits for answer before proceeding to the next port. This reminds me of a proposal for sendmail; instead of rejecting mail from known spammers, one would accept the connection, but slow traffic down to the slowest possible, so the spammer could only deliver very few messages. Instead of killing the spammer, make every mailserver like quicksand, drawing him down and drowning him :-] Leif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 10:10: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from smtprch1.nortel.com (smtprch1.nortelnetworks.com [192.135.215.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1614F15715 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:10:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from atrens@nortelnetworks.com) Received: from zcars01t by smtprch1.nortel.com; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:01:46 -0500 Received: from hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com by zcars01t; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:09:19 -0400 Received: from hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com (hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com [47.196.31.114]) by hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com (8.9.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08705; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:11:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew Atrens" Reply-To: "Andrew Atrens" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Amancio Hasty Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-Reply-To: <199908171001.MAA20996@yedi.iaf.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orig: X-Orig: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Amancio, I've got a: acd0: CDROM drive at ata1 as master acd0: drive speed 1034KB/sec, 768KB cache acd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA, packet track acd0: supported write types: CD-R, CD-RW, test write acd0: Audio: play, 128 volume levels (HP 7200i) which works great. Burning is done via wormcontrol + dd as per Soren's recommendations. Data starvation was never a problem with my old 430Tx based motherboard, but became a problem when I moved up to Asus P5A/ALi board. The solution, it turns out, was to give dd a larger input/output block size - 20k instead of 2k (yes, I used team, and no, it didn't solve the problem ;)). Unfortunately there is no FreeBSD/cdrecord support for this or any other ATAPI drive. I've suggested to Soren that it wbn if his ATAPI stuff was layered under CAM, since this might possibly make porting things like cdrecord a bit more straightforward. As I understand it though the ATAPI spec is such that ATAPI devices can fail in ways that are not currently handled by CAM so this wouldn't be, shall we say, `a piece of cake'. So, as the saying goes beggars can't be choosers, and I am happy with and grateful for all of Soren's efforts. :) To conclude, I like 7200i, the FreeBSD support is reasonable (for what I need), and this device is somewhat cheaper than it's SCSI cousins. Cheers, Andrew. -- +-- | Andrew Atrens Nortel Networks, Ottawa, Canada. | | All opinions expressed are my own, not those of any employer. | --+ Heller's Law: The first myth of management is that it exists. Johnson's Corollary: Nobody really knows what is going on anywhere within the organization. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 10:59:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from monster.abyss.net (dark.abyss.net [207.198.22.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0E614EBB for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:59:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ksb@abyss.net) Received: from nightmare.abyss.net (ksb@nightmare.abyss.net [10.0.0.3]) by monster.abyss.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA30849; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:48:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ksb@abyss.net) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:58:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kevin S. Brackett" To: Andrew Atrens Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, Amancio Hasty Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For a list of "reported to work" drives that work with cdrecord check out: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private/cdwriters-1.8.html Also, notice the "It should run on: All SCSI-3/mmc compliant drives, All ATAPI/mmc compliant drvies" The HP 7200 drive is listed, so maybe it will work with your drive. - kevin On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Andrew Atrens wrote: > > Hi Amancio, > > I've got a: > > acd0: CDROM drive at ata1 as master > acd0: drive speed 1034KB/sec, 768KB cache > acd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA, packet track > acd0: supported write types: CD-R, CD-RW, test write > acd0: Audio: play, 128 volume levels > > (HP 7200i) which works great. Burning is done via wormcontrol + dd as per > Soren's recommendations. Data starvation was never a problem with my old > 430Tx based motherboard, but became a problem when I moved up to Asus > P5A/ALi board. The solution, it turns out, was to give dd a larger > input/output block size - 20k instead of 2k (yes, I used team, and no, it > didn't solve the problem ;)). > > Unfortunately there is no FreeBSD/cdrecord support for this or any other > ATAPI drive. I've suggested to Soren that it wbn if his ATAPI stuff was > layered under CAM, since this might possibly make porting things like > cdrecord a bit more straightforward. As I understand it though the ATAPI > spec is such that ATAPI devices can fail in ways that are not currently > handled by CAM so this wouldn't be, shall we say, `a piece of cake'. So, > as the saying goes beggars can't be choosers, and I am happy with and > grateful for all of Soren's efforts. :) > > To conclude, I like 7200i, the FreeBSD support is reasonable (for what I > need), and this device is somewhat cheaper than it's SCSI cousins. > > > Cheers, > > Andrew. > > -- > +-- > | Andrew Atrens Nortel Networks, Ottawa, Canada. | > | All opinions expressed are my own, not those of any employer. | > --+ > Heller's Law: The first myth of management is that it exists. > Johnson's Corollary: Nobody really knows what is going on > anywhere within the organization. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 11: 6:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC251571B; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:05:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA60773; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:59:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA54767; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:16:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:16:24 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Amancio Hasty Cc: "Brian F. Feldman" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? Message-ID: <19990817111624.A54492@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <199908162311.QAA02641@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199908162311.QAA02641@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 04:11:46PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Amancio, On Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 04:11:46PM -0700, Amancio Hasty wrote: > I simply am trying to get information on which cd-recorder works > well on FreeBSD. It will help to avoid confusion and postings if > there was a cd-record handbook section explaining all the gory > details. When you get your CD recorder working with FreeBSD, I look forward to your submission of documentation for the Handbook. :-) N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 11:15:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819C315757; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:15:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA89597; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:16:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908171816.LAA89597@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Brian F. Feldman" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:16:24 BST." <19990817111624.A54492@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:16:07 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You got to be joking . Is not that I do or don't want to write documentation is rather that I don't feel qualify to write such a document. Besides, the recent scrimmage between Jordan and Brian does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling to dive into writing the documentation. Have Brian write the doc. Cheers -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 12: 0: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from smtprch1.nortel.com (smtprch1.nortelnetworks.com [192.135.215.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F96C14E0D for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:59:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from atrens@nortelnetworks.com) Received: from zcars01t by smtprch1.nortel.com; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:50:04 -0500 Received: from hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com by zcars01t; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:57:29 -0400 Received: from hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com (hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com [47.196.31.114]) by hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com (8.9.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09502; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:59:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew Atrens" Reply-To: "Andrew Atrens" To: "Kevin S. Brackett" Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, Amancio Hasty Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Orig: X-Orig: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Kevin S. Brackett wrote: > For a list of "reported to work" drives that work with cdrecord check out: > http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private/cdwriters-1.8.html > > Also, notice the "It should run on: All SCSI-3/mmc compliant drives, All > ATAPI/mmc compliant drvies" > > The HP 7200 drive is listed, so maybe it will work with your drive. Hmm, actually it requires Linux's `scsi emulation layer' which makes atapi's look like scsi's (I know this is a simplification) - FreeBSD currently has no equivalent :) . Andrew. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 12: 7: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9933915796 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:06:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA90001; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:06:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908171906.MAA90001@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Andrew Atrens" Cc: "Kevin S. Brackett" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:59:44 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:06:07 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lets see what the CAM people have to say about providing an interface to ATAPI CDs including CD recorders. > > > On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Kevin S. Brackett wrote: > > > For a list of "reported to work" drives that work with cdrecord check out: > > http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private/cdwriters-1.8.html > > > > Also, notice the "It should run on: All SCSI-3/mmc compliant drives, All > > ATAPI/mmc compliant drvies" > > > > The HP 7200 drive is listed, so maybe it will work with your drive. > > Hmm, actually it requires Linux's `scsi emulation layer' which makes > atapi's look like scsi's (I know this is a simplification) - FreeBSD > currently has no equivalent :) . > > Andrew. > > -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 12:30:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from wenet.net (pm3-5.ppp.wenet.net [206.15.85.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75AF155EE for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:30:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) Received: from localhost (garbanzo@localhost) by wenet.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01647; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:29:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garbanzo@hooked.net) X-Authentication-Warning: zippy.dyn.ml.org: garbanzo owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:29:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Zepeda To: Richard Cownie Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, tich@par28.ma.ikos.com Subject: Re: gdb In-Reply-To: <199908171530.LAA29024@par28.ma.ikos.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Richard Cownie wrote: > I have a problem with gdb in 4.0-CURRENT. gdb-4.18 is almost > completely useless for debugging C++ - oveload resolution is > completely broken, and attempting to call functions frequently causes > it to hang. I believe this is true on linux and solaris as well, > gdb-4.18 is just not healthy. 4.17 is really no better, it tended to crash on some C++ programs. If 4.18 doesn't work, try sending email to the authors of gdb, or look for a pre-release version. - alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 13:20:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from par28.ma.ikos.com (par28.ma.ikos.com [137.103.105.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED36014DC1 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:20:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tich@par28.ma.ikos.com) Received: from [[UNIX: localhost]] ([[UNIX: localhost]]) by par28.ma.ikos.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA00911; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:19:36 -0400 From: Richard Cownie To: Alex Zepeda Subject: Re: gdb Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:11:09 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.0] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, tich@par28.ma.ikos.com References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99081716193600.00845@par28.ma.ikos.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Alex Zepeda wrote: > 4.17 is really no better, it tended to crash on some C++ programs. If > 4.18 doesn't work, try sending email to the authors of gdb, or look for a > pre-release version. > > - alex From personal experience here, I disagree. We use gdb-4.17 all the time on Solaris and it works well enough. gdb-4.17 on Linux is also ok. gdb-4.18 is much worse (at least for our particular style of usage). Your mileage may vary. I just checked out the latest sources of gdb from CVS. It doesn't build under 4.0-19990604-CURRENT, has problems compiling gdb/solib.c Richard Cownie (tich@ma.ikos.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 13:26:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gungnir.fnal.gov (gungnir.fnal.gov [131.225.80.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71AF157A0 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:26:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crawdad@gungnir.fnal.gov) Received: from gungnir.fnal.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gungnir.fnal.gov (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA04143; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:21:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908172021.PAA04143@gungnir.fnal.gov> To: "Pleschutznig, Andreas" Cc: "'Leif Neland'" , current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Matt Crawford" Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:55:38 EDT. <11585F032846CF11867900805FE2A57706D6191C@n1002smx.nt.schwab.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:21:49 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > This reminds me of a proposal for sendmail; instead of rejecting > > mail from known spammers, one would accept the connection, but > > slow traffic down to the slowest possible, so the spammer could > > only deliver very few messages. Instead of killing the spammer, > > make every mailserver like quicksand, drawing him down and > > drowning him :-] > > And afterwards we still could remove the mail. I second this motion ;-)What > happened to this proposal? My own thought for this a year or so ago was to accept SMTP connections with an absurdly small windows size. Open up the window (by increasing the buffer size -- if that setsockopt() is accepted at that point, otherwise hack the socket layer so it is accepted) and process normally if the HELO and MAIL From/RCPT To look all right; otherwise continue to read small gulps of the DATA at slow intervals, then answer the final "." with a *temporary* failure code. Mroo hah hah. Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 13:45:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B8E157D8 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:43:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA90654; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:41:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908172041.NAA90654@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Richard Cownie Cc: Alex Zepeda , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, tich@par28.ma.ikos.com Subject: Re: gdb In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:11:09 EDT." <99081716193600.00845@par28.ma.ikos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:41:42 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A side note on gdb-4.18 8) (gdb) run Starting program: /tmp/./sieve Program received signal SIGBUS, Bus error. 0x281eeac7 in GC_find_limit (p=0xbfbfcff8 "", up=1) at ../../../../libgcj-2.95/boehm-gc/os_dep.c:681 681 ../../../../libgcj-2.95/boehm-gc/os_dep.c: No such file or directory. Current language: auto; currently c (gdb) cont Continuing. Running Sieve benchmark. This will take about 10 seconds. Breakpoint 1, Sieve.runSieve () at Sieve.java:16 16 int SIZE = 8190; Current language: auto; currently java (gdb) list 11 System.out.println(results1); 12 System.out.println(results2); 13 } 14 15 static void runSieve() { 16 int SIZE = 8190; 17 boolean flags[] = new boolean[SIZE+1]; 18 int i, prime, k, iter, count; 19 int iterations = 0; 20 double seconds = 0.0; (gdb) list 21 int score = 0; 22 long startTime, elapsedTime; 23 24 startTime = System.currentTimeMillis(); 25 while (true) { 26 count=0; 27 for(i=0; i<=SIZE; i++) flags[i]=true; 28 for (i=0; i<=SIZE; i++) { 29 if(flags[i]) { 30 prime=i+i+3; It still needs a little work however gdb appears to work java programs compiled with "gcj" -- GNU's java compiler -- java to native binary .. gcj still needs work however it is starting to shape up. Enjoy -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 13:56:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A52157A5 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:55:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA04199; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Message-Id: <199908172055.OAA04199@panzer.kdm.org> Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-Reply-To: <199908171906.MAA90001@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Aug 17, 1999 12:06:07 pm" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:55:22 -0600 (MDT) Cc: atrens@nortelnetworks.com (Andrew Atrens), ksb@abyss.net (Kevin S. Brackett), current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Kenneth D. Merry" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Amancio Hasty wrote... > Lets see what the CAM people have to say about providing an > interface to ATAPI CDs including CD recorders. > > > > > > > On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Kevin S. Brackett wrote: > > > > > For a list of "reported to work" drives that work with cdrecord check out: > > > http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private/cdwriters-1.8.html > > > > > > Also, notice the "It should run on: All SCSI-3/mmc compliant drives, All > > > ATAPI/mmc compliant drvies" > > > > > > The HP 7200 drive is listed, so maybe it will work with your drive. > > > > Hmm, actually it requires Linux's `scsi emulation layer' which makes > > atapi's look like scsi's (I know this is a simplification) - FreeBSD > > currently has no equivalent :) . > > > > Andrew. The reason the ATAPI subsystem isn't under CAM is because Soren hasn't been terribly interested in doing it. Justin and I have offered to help, but we won't be the ones doing the bulk of the work if it happens. Perhaps if Soren or someone else has the time and inclination at some point, it will happen. I wouldn't count on it anytime soon, though. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 14: 0: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A950157A5 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:59:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA90801; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:57:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908172057.NAA90801@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: atrens@nortelnetworks.com (Andrew Atrens), ksb@abyss.net (Kevin S. Brackett), current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:55:22 MDT." <199908172055.OAA04199@panzer.kdm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:57:54 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Perhaps PHK could add this item to his list of baby hacker projects... > Amancio Hasty wrote... > > Lets see what the CAM people have to say about providing an > > interface to ATAPI CDs including CD recorders. > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Kevin S. Brackett wrote: > > > > > > > For a list of "reported to work" drives that work with cdrecord check out: > > > > http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private/cdwriters-1.8.html > > > > > > > > Also, notice the "It should run on: All SCSI-3/mmc compliant drives, All > > > > ATAPI/mmc compliant drvies" > > > > > > > > The HP 7200 drive is listed, so maybe it will work with your drive. > > > > > > Hmm, actually it requires Linux's `scsi emulation layer' which makes > > > atapi's look like scsi's (I know this is a simplification) - FreeBSD > > > currently has no equivalent :) . > > > > > > Andrew. > > > The reason the ATAPI subsystem isn't under CAM is because Soren hasn't been > terribly interested in doing it. Justin and I have offered to help, but we > won't be the ones doing the bulk of the work if it happens. > > Perhaps if Soren or someone else has the time and inclination at some > point, it will happen. I wouldn't count on it anytime soon, though. > > Ken > -- > Kenneth Merry > ken@kdm.org -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 14:11:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4039514E91 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:11:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA04351; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:09:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Message-Id: <199908172109.PAA04351@panzer.kdm.org> Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-Reply-To: <199908172057.NAA90801@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Aug 17, 1999 01:57:54 pm" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:09:17 -0600 (MDT) Cc: atrens@nortelnetworks.com, ksb@abyss.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Kenneth D. Merry" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ Amancio's reply moved to the *bottom* where replies belong.. ] Amancio Hasty wrote... > > Amancio Hasty wrote... > > > Lets see what the CAM people have to say about providing an > > > interface to ATAPI CDs including CD recorders. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Kevin S. Brackett wrote: > > > > > > > > > For a list of "reported to work" drives that work with cdrecord check out: > > > > > http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private/cdwriters-1.8.html > > > > > > > > > > Also, notice the "It should run on: All SCSI-3/mmc compliant drives, All > > > > > ATAPI/mmc compliant drvies" > > > > > > > > > > The HP 7200 drive is listed, so maybe it will work with your drive. > > > > > > > > Hmm, actually it requires Linux's `scsi emulation layer' which makes > > > > atapi's look like scsi's (I know this is a simplification) - FreeBSD > > > > currently has no equivalent :) . > > > > > > > > Andrew. > > > > > > The reason the ATAPI subsystem isn't under CAM is because Soren hasn't been > > terribly interested in doing it. Justin and I have offered to help, but we > > won't be the ones doing the bulk of the work if it happens. > > > > Perhaps if Soren or someone else has the time and inclination at some > > point, it will happen. I wouldn't count on it anytime soon, though. > > Perhaps PHK could add this item to his list of baby > hacker projects... This is not a "baby" hacker project by any means. It will take someone with a reasonable amount of knowledge and skill to do it. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 14:27:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EC715844 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:27:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA91034; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:25:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908172125.OAA91034@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: atrens@nortelnetworks.com, ksb@abyss.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:09:17 MDT." <199908172109.PAA04351@panzer.kdm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:25:45 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > This is not a "baby" hacker project by any means. It will take someone > with a reasonable amount of knowledge and skill to do it. > > Ken > -- > Kenneth Merry > ken@kdm.org I am not that familiar with Soren's work nor with CAM however my dealings with Soren in the past have not beeng that smooth -- This is not a flame rather a fact. Nevertheless, if no one else volunteers to respond to the linux challenge I can take a peek at the CAM stuff and ATAPI to see how difficult it would be to integrate . -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 15:33:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D69914E85 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:33:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA44789; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:33:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA40862; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:34:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908172234.QAA40862@harmony.village.org> To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty), atrens@nortelnetworks.com, ksb@abyss.net, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:09:17 MDT." <199908172109.PAA04351@panzer.kdm.org> References: <199908172109.PAA04351@panzer.kdm.org> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:34:36 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199908172109.PAA04351@panzer.kdm.org> "Kenneth D. Merry" writes: : This is not a "baby" hacker project by any means. It will take someone : with a reasonable amount of knowledge and skill to do it. And time... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 16: 9:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5B714E1D for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:09:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA14001; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:39:40 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id IAA13842; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:39:36 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:39:35 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ccd bugs (was: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers) Message-ID: <19990818083935.L7187@freebie.lemis.com> References: <14546.934712877@critter.freebsd.dk> <7049.934878514@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <7049.934878514@axl.noc.iafrica.com>; from Sheldon Hearn on Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 10:28:34AM +0200 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday, 17 August 1999 at 10:28:34 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:27:57 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> 4. [not quite easy] The CCD device ditto. >> Earn brownie points: Make ccdconfig use sysctl instead of >> libkvm to read back configuration. > > Anyone who decides to tackle this one is likely to have the wherewithall > to test a PR which I can't right now -- PR 10077: > > PR: 10077 > Class: kern > Synopsis: dd'ing a ccd stripped partition sometimes hangs in physstr Don't count on it. He's talking serious disk space (starting at 8 GB on two disks). Why did you take this one? It's certainly not a dd problem. I'd guess that it's a numeric overflow problem; there have been other such problems in ccd before. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 16:42:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from monster.abyss.net (dark.abyss.net [207.198.22.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F01514C83 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:42:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ksb@abyss.net) Received: from nightmare.abyss.net (ksb@nightmare.abyss.net [10.0.0.3]) by monster.abyss.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA31791; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:32:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ksb@abyss.net) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:42:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kevin S. Brackett" To: Andrew Atrens Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, Amancio Hasty Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oh, well then, :) I'm glad I said something before I actually bought one (I saw the atapi RW drives were rather cheap now (~US$125)) - kevin On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Andrew Atrens wrote: > > > On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Kevin S. Brackett wrote: > > > For a list of "reported to work" drives that work with cdrecord check out: > > http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private/cdwriters-1.8.html > > > > Also, notice the "It should run on: All SCSI-3/mmc compliant drives, All > > ATAPI/mmc compliant drvies" > > > > The HP 7200 drive is listed, so maybe it will work with your drive. > > Hmm, actually it requires Linux's `scsi emulation layer' which makes > atapi's look like scsi's (I know this is a simplification) - FreeBSD > currently has no equivalent :) . > > Andrew. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 17: 7:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EE4014CB0 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:07:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA40586; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:05:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:05:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908180005.RAA40586@apollo.backplane.com> To: Bob Bishop Cc: Amancio Hasty , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? References: <3.0.6.32.19990816084714.007ce2c0@192.168.255.1> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Hi, : :>Any one care to recommend a CD writer for FreeBSD-current since thats :>typically what I run over here. : :Yamaha CRW4416S "just works" with -current and cdrecord, both for CD-R and :CD-RW. : :-- :Bob Bishop +44 118 977 4017 I picked up a Yamaha CRW6416S today and it "just works" as well. Man, CD-R disks are getting cheap! I'm using it mainly for backups. I got tired of my tape drive dying. Does anyone know how to create a bootable CDRom? -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 17:12:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F73D14D6D for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:12:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA92534; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:10:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908180010.RAA92534@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Bob Bishop , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:05:28 PDT." <199908180005.RAA40586@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:10:49 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Where did you get your Yamaha cd writer ? Tnks -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 17:15: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB9914C42 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:15:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08777; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:07:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908180007.RAA08777@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Bob Bishop , Amancio Hasty , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:05:28 PDT." <199908180005.RAA40586@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:07:08 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Does anyone know how to create a bootable CDRom? There are a couple of techniques; look at /usr/share/examples/worm/makecdfs.sh for the way we make the FreeBSD installation CDs bootable. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 17:24:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from pozo.com (pozo.com [216.101.162.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8D715889 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:23:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@pacbell.net) Received: from dual (dual.pozo.com [216.101.162.51]) by pozo.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04209; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:17:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@pacbell.net) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990817171459.00a42980@216.101.162.50> X-Sender: null@216.101.162.50 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:17:16 -0700 To: "Kevin S. Brackett" , Andrew Atrens From: Manfred Antar Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, Amancio Hasty In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 07:42 PM 08/17/1999 -0400, Kevin S. Brackett wrote: >Oh, well then, :) I'm glad I said something before I actually bought one >(I saw the atapi RW drives were rather cheap now (~US$125)) Computergeeks has a Phillips Model: CDD-3600 2x2x6 SCSI CD-RW Kit for $139 http://www.compgeeks.com/cgi-bin/details.asp?cat=MultiMedia&sku=205-2620 Manfred ===================== || mantar@pacbell.net || || Ph. (415) 681-6235 || ===================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 17:29:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89EA014E85 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:29:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA40808; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:30:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:30:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908180030.RAA40808@apollo.backplane.com> To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Bob Bishop , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? References: <199908180010.RAA92534@rah.star-gate.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Where did you get your Yamaha cd writer ? : :Tnks : :-- : : Amancio Hasty I just picked it up at CompUSA. You can probably also get it via buy.com but I haven't looked. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 17:48:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11A314EA8 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:48:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA40957; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:47:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:47:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908180047.RAA40957@apollo.backplane.com> To: Amancio Hasty , Bob Bishop , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? References: <199908180010.RAA92534@rah.star-gate.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG One thing www.buy.com is really good for, even if you don't buy from them, is to get pricing information on a general search. You can then use it to do comparison shopping. http://www.buy.com/ click on "comp" Search for "rewritable" And there you have it. The smart-and-friendly lists for $460 (yowzer!). The older Yahama models (SCSI) list for $325. The lowest cost one appears to be the HP or Yamaha IDE versions for $200, too bad FreeBSD can't use it under IDE (but personally I think SCSI is the only way to go). Hmm. Plexor lists a SCSI one for $268 but I dunno if it works. Hi-Val lists a SCSI one ofr $282. Again, dunno if it works. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 17:57:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02DA14EA8 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:57:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01100; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:57:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:57:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: "Nickolay N.Dudorov" Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can I obtain 'int-cvs-cur' by CTM ? In-Reply-To: <19990817121126.15625@mail.nsk.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Nickolay N.Dudorov wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 12:13:33AM -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 nnd@mail.nsk.ru wrote: > > > > > Last CTM delta in > > > ftp://ctm.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM-international/int-cvs-cur > > > is 'int-cvs-cur.0114.gz' from May 15 1999. > > > > There isn't any "int-cvs-cur", so are you referring to maybe the > > And what is (or was earlier) at the URL I post here ? > > > International Crypto Repository run by Mark Murray out of SA? > > I refer to the "CTM interface" to "International Crypto > Repository run by Mark Murray...". (More precisely about "ftp-ing" > CTM deltas from some servers - f.e. 'ctm.freebsd.org'). I thought I knew about all the FreeBSD ctm distributions, but Mark told me about the one he does himself, which surprised me! > > I can't ftp CTM deltas from internat.freebsd.org directly - > there are some problems to connect from Siberia to SA ;-) > > N.Dudorov > > > > > If not, then please try again, because you've lost me, and I fix ctm > > stuff (so I should know your answer). > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current. (301) 220-2114 | ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 18:21:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B83C14C59 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:21:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA92848; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:32:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908180032.RAA92848@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Bob Bishop , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:30:10 PDT." <199908180030.RAA40808@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:32:20 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tnks I will drive around a little , Fry's , compusa , central computers -- they are all very close to were I live in Sunnyvale, California. Tnks Again Guys! -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 18:42: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF47155D5 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:42:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA93313; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:41:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908180141.SAA93313@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: current@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:41:25 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:38:27 PDT." <199908180038.RAA40871@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii -------- I just picked up a Yamaha CR6416sz internal scsi 2 for $339 from Central Computers should have gone to CompUSA but didn't feel like driving around too much in the traffic . It appears that CompUSA has a good deal with the Yamaha CRW6416sz . The nice lady at Central Computer stated that they have less returns with the Yamaha CD-Recorder than with the Plextor cd-recorders. And from Matt's report it is probably worth a short drive to CompUSA to pick one up if you are thinking about buying a cd-recorder. Hate to ask, do we support CD-RW? And I will probably bug next the multimedia group;however, those guys appear to be in trance playing Myth2 8) Last but not least tnks to all who responded to my original posting! Enjoy P.S.: Going off-line to install my brand new cd recorder and I am very happy to get off my dat drive for backups 8) -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 19: 1:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41137156A9 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:01:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA41440; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:59:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:59:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908180159.SAA41440@apollo.backplane.com> To: Amancio Hasty Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: re: [re]writable cdrom drive References: <199908180141.SAA93313@rah.star-gate.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Hate to ask, do we support CD-RW? Yup! In fact, I recommend that you get a 5-pack of CD-RW disks so you don't turn your CD-R's into scrap while playing with the unit. -Matt :And I will probably bug next the multimedia group;however, :those guys appear to be in trance playing Myth2 8) : :Last but not least tnks to all who responded to my original :posting! : : Enjoy : :P.S.: Going off-line to install my brand new cd recorder and I am very : happy to get off my dat drive for backups 8) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 19:40:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E93714FE2 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:40:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA00628; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:39:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908180239.TAA00628@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:59:55 PDT." <199908180159.SAA41440@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:39:39 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Again a very good advice. Got four CD-RW . Two came with the unit and I bought 2 HP CD-RW disks. Plus got 5 CD-R . Those I will save much much later 8) Tnks Again! -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 19:45:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D576214C33 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:45:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id EAA16342 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 04:43:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 11E098795; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 02:36:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 02:36:34 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST Message-ID: <19990818023634.A78804@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: current@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199908171417.JAA02482@gungnir.fnal.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.95.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Leif Neland on Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 07:00:51PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#5543 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG According to Leif Neland: > the slowest possible, so the spammer could only deliver very few messages. > Instead of killing the spammer, make every mailserver like quicksand, > drawing him down and drowning him :-] Postfix does this :) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #73: Sat Jul 31 15:36:05 CEST 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 19:58:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA8C15809 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:58:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26754; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:26:21 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990818122621:5786=_"; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" In-Reply-To: <19990818023634.A78804@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:26:21 +0930 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Ollivier Robert Subject: Re: Dropping connections without RST Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990818122621:5786=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 18-Aug-99 Ollivier Robert wrote: > > Instead of killing the spammer, make every mailserver like quicksand, > > drawing him down and drowning him :-] > Postfix does this :) Sendmail has tarpit trapping as well I think. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990818122621:5786=_ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBN7og1VbYW/HEoF9pAQGKagP/UwPod7mf5GnQhoGHi0q4sm3RreyCbrNS eBSkI+VdAur8OkYie8EBsykexTuANpcR0gGiCl9AukKED6li+XRB7w6PS0uw5iUk hPPcaLmXcgfnk0dRYqz+JANPOCoy0pd53QOgHKsSioITSBOIRBr4tYyPIvuWU26U 7Y9GoyakoW4= =2n7W -----END PGP MESSAGE----- --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990818122621:5786=_-- End of MIME message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 19:58:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D471580D for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:58:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA00628; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:39:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908180239.TAA00628@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:59:55 PDT." <199908180159.SAA41440@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:39:39 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Again a very good advice. Got four CD-RW . Two came with the unit and I bought 2 HP CD-RW disks. Plus got 5 CD-R . Those I will save much much later 8) Tnks Again! -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 20:34:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat203.199.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.203.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EC214E85; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:34:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA33474; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:33:48 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:33:48 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: myth2 demo fails to run ... missing /proc/meminfo ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This was mentioned already, and a pseudo-fix suggested, but the fix is only good for those with access to existing Linux system, which, IMHO, kinda defeats the idea of emulation :) > ./myth2_demo_2.0 Cannot open '/proc/meminfo'! Your kernel needs to be compiled with the /proc filesystemsupport. Cannot open '/proc/meminfo'! Your kernel needs to be compiled with the /proc filesystemsupport. blam Is this somethign that can be added to either our procfs, or added to the linux_base install? Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 21:33:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A72314CEF for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:33:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA11141; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:33:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908180433.VAA11141@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:59:55 PDT." <199908180159.SAA41440@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:33:24 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Guys Is me again 8) mkisofs -R /mount/dir | cdrecord -v fs=6m speed=2 -dev=0:1:0 Okay, whats the magic device name to access the yamaha cd recorder . I have tried several combinations of names with no success. dmesg says that I have: cd0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15) cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not presen Tnks! -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 21:50: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBEDA14DC4 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id VAA42534; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:50:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:50:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908180450.VAA42534@apollo.backplane.com> To: Amancio Hasty Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive References: <199908180433.VAA11141@rah.star-gate.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Is me again 8) : :mkisofs -R /mount/dir | cdrecord -v fs=6m speed=2 -dev=0:1:0 : :Okay, whats the magic device name to access the yamaha cd recorder . :I have tried several combinations of names with no success. : :dmesg says that I have: : :cd0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 :cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device :cd0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15) :cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not presen :... : Tnks! : Amancio Hasty : hasty@rah.star-gate.com It found it, that's good. Run this: cdrecord -scanbus The device is probably dev=0,1 Once you figure it all out you can set it up in /etc/default/cdrecord so you never have to specify it on the command line again. See 'man cdrecord' - And to head off another question: When you are recording to a CD-RW you can do a 'quick erase' of the media using 'cdrecord blank=fast'. This does not actually erase the data, so if you have used say 100MB you will only have 550MB left. You can actually erase the media using 'cdrecord blank=all', which takes a while. CD-RW media lasts for around 1000 erasure cycles. CD-R media, obviously, can only be written once. - Finally, when you pipe mkisofs to cdrecord directly it is possible to fall behind enough that an error may occur. The CD writer needs a continuous stream. There are two solution to this if it occurs: First, write at a slower rate (speed=1 or speed=2 rather then the default 4), or you need to mkisofs to an image file and then cdrecord from the image file. What I do is have a 650MB partition on one of my disks which I write my backup files to. Since they are relatively large files there is little chance of mkisofs getting behind so I then 'mkisofs -R' that directory and pipe it to cdrecord to do the actual backup. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 21:59:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B024714D05 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:59:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id VAA42619; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:59:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:59:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908180459.VAA42619@apollo.backplane.com> To: Amancio Hasty , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive References: <199908180433.VAA11141@rah.star-gate.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : The device is probably dev=0,1 I'm sorry, I meant 1,0. Also 0,1,0 should work. Try: cdrecord dev=1,0 -inq You should get: Cdrecord release 1.8a22 Copyright (C) 1995-1999 Jörg Schilling scsidev: '0,3,0' scsibus: 0 target: 3 lun: 0 Device type : Removable CD-ROM Version : 2 Response Format: 2 Capabilities : SYNC Vendor_info : 'YAMAHA ' Identifikation : 'CRW6416S ' Revision : '1.0b' Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 22: 3:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC9914D34 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:03:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11417; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:03:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908180503.WAA11417@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:59:02 PDT." <199908180459.VAA42619@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:03:53 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > : The device is probably dev=3D0,1 > = > I'm sorry, I meant 1,0. Also 0,1,0 should work. > = > Try: > = > cdrecord dev=3D1,0 -inq > = > You should get: > = > Cdrecord release 1.8a22 Copyright (C) 1995-1999 J=F6rg Schilling > scsidev: '0,3,0' > scsibus: 0 target: 3 lun: 0 > Device type : Removable CD-ROM > Version : 2 > Response Format: 2 > Capabilities : SYNC = > Vendor_info : 'YAMAHA ' > Identifikation : 'CRW6416S ' > Revision : '1.0b' > Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW. > = > = > -Matt Yeap, that seems to be the magic incantation. cdrecord dev=3D1,0 -inq Cdrecord release 1.8a22 Copyright (C) 1995-1999 J=F6rg Schilling scsidev: '1,0' scsibus: 0 target: 1 lun: 0 Device type : Removable CD-ROM Version : 2 Response Format: 2 Capabilities : SYNC = Vendor_info : 'YAMAHA ' Identifikation : 'CRW6416S ' Revision : '1.0b' Device seems to be: Generic mmc CD-RW. Just managed to write my first CD-RW and it feels good ! Cool ! -- = Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 22:29:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.is.co.za (mercury.is.co.za [196.4.160.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9D414CC3; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:29:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoffr@is.co.za) Received: from ISJHBEX (isjhbexnode2.is.co.za [196.26.1.3]) by mercury.is.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09528; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 06:24:41 +0200 Received: by ISJHBEX with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:33:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: Geoff Rehmet To: "'adrian@freebsd.org'" Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Dropping connections without RST Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:33:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, Aug 17, 1999, Geoff Rehmet wrote: > If you're still volunteering, write a script to generate a > sysctl description > map from the sysctl's in the kernel.. > > That would be very nice, and would kickstart me into > finishing documenting > all sysctls. :P > First issue: hangdog:~% sysctl -d -a sysctl: sysctl name -1 1024 2: No such file or directory hangdog:~% sysctl -d net.inet.tcp.blackhole sysctl: sysctl name -1 1024 2: No such file or directory hangdog:~% sysctl -d net.inet.tcp.rfc1323 sysctl: sysctl name -1 1024 2: No such file or directory hangdog:~% sysctl net.inet.tcp.blackhole net.inet.tcp.blackhole: 1 hangdog:~% sysctl -d needs fixing. :-) No promises. Geoff. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Tue Aug 17 23:22:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (border.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 521DC14C56 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:22:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <40350>; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:00:50 +1000 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:20:39 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: RE: Dropping connections without RST In-reply-to: To: geoffr@is.co.za Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <99Aug18.160050est.40350@border.alcanet.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Geoff Rehmet wrote: >sysctl -d needs fixing. :-) No, sysctl -d needs _implementing_. I've looked into this myself. I brought it up on -hackers in mid-February, and here in early June. "sysctl -d" invokes sysctl({0,5,...},...) (sysctl.c:show_var()). kern_sysctl.c documents (and implements) the following: /* * "Staff-functions" * * These functions implement a presently undocumented interface * used by the sysctl program to walk the tree, and get the type * so it can print the value. * This interface is under work and consideration, and should probably * be killed with a big axe by the first person who can find the time. * (be aware though, that the proper interface isn't as obvious as it * may seem, there are various conflicting requirements. * * {0,0} printf the entire MIB-tree. * {0,1,...} return the name of the "..." OID. * {0,2,...} return the next OID. * {0,3} return the OID of the name in "new" * {0,4,...} return the kind & format info for the "..." OID. */ It would be a fairly trivial exercise (a couple of hours, if that) to implement sysctl({0,5,...},...). The downside is the the loaded kernel would bloat by the size of the sysctl descriptions. I don't feel that this is acceptable (and it's definitely unnecessary). My feeling is that each sysctl should include a 1-line brief description (which includes any relevant units[0]), followed by a much longer description of what the sysctl does and when it should (or shouldn't) be tweaked. A new option (-D maybe) to sysctl would display the long description. An example of what I mean by the latter is the following (from one of Matt's commits on 1999/02/18 11:57:33 PST): > vm.swap_async_max: 4 > vm.swap_cluster_max: 16 > > Recommended values are a cluster size of 8 or 16 pages. async_max is > about right for 1-4 swap devices. Reduce to 2 if swap is eating too much > bandwidth, or even 1 if swap is both eating too much bandwidth and sitting > on a slow network (10BaseT). > > The defaults work well across a broad range of configurations and should > normally be left alone. I currently have a partially implemented solution which puts the documentation strings into a separate ELF section, which isn't loaded. struct sysctl_oid is extended to include a `pointer' to this string (and will probably need a pointer to the loaded filename[1]). A new `staff function' [2] will return the string offset and filename. There are ~600 sysctl's, so this approach would add ~4.8K to the loaded i386 kernel image size (and about twice that on an alpha[2]). (Whereas the actual description strings should be at least an order of magnitude more). sysctl(8) will then need to open the specified file and extract the string at the specified offset. I'd like to arrange for the offset to actually be the physical offset within the file - which should be possible, but I'm having trouble convincing the linker to do this. Otherwise the sysctl will need to actually decode the ELF structure. If necessary, the relevant kernel section could be stripped off to reduce the size of the kernel image on disk. An alternative approach would be to suitably mark the documentation strings and extract them into man pages (using a perl tool or similar). This would remove `sysctl -d'. [0] Eg most of the IP timers are in units of 500msec. This is not obvious and has caught out a couple of people here recently. [1] This is needed to support description strings in KLDs. The pathnames are currently available in KVM. [2] Probably {0,6,...} to prevent compatibility problems with old sysctl(8) programs (since the return information will be different). [3] Depending on the implementation, and the layout of struct sysctl_oid, this could either be ~9.6K (appending both fields) or ~4.8K (append the pathname pointer, put the 32-bit offset field into some existing padding). Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 1:40:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7879C156B3 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 01:40:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11H1Dq-0003mV-00; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:37:26 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Greg Lehey Cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ccd bugs (was: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:39:35 +0930." <19990818083935.L7187@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:37:26 +0200 Message-ID: <14538.934965446@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:39:35 +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: > Why did you take this one? Because I thought it was a simple problem with dd. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 4:58:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 71D1015738 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 04:58:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 5476 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 11:58:53 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 11:58:53 -0000 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.30]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430152DAA9; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:58:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.3/sat-V0.6) id UAA06299; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:58:50 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:58:50 +0900 Message-ID: <14266.40954.10126.5835K@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, rb@gid.co.uk, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-Reply-To: In your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:47:42 -0700 (PDT)" <199908180047.RAA40957@apollo.backplane.com> References: <199908180010.RAA92534@rah.star-gate.com> <199908180047.RAA40957@apollo.backplane.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/1.0.0 (Kokomo) SEMI/1.13.3 (Komaiko) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.2 (beta13) (Demeter) (i386-unknown-freebsd3.1) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX wrote: > > One thing www.buy.com is really good for, even if you don't buy from them, > is to get pricing information on a general search. You can then use it > to do comparison shopping. > > http://www.buy.com/ > click on "comp" > Search for "rewritable" > > And there you have it. The smart-and-friendly lists for $460 (yowzer!). > The older Yahama models (SCSI) list for $325. The lowest cost one > appears to be the HP or Yamaha IDE versions for $200, too bad FreeBSD > can't use it under IDE (but personally I think SCSI is the only way to > go). Hmm. Plexor lists a SCSI one for $268 but I dunno if it works. > Hi-Val lists a SCSI one ofr $282. Again, dunno if it works. > > > -Matt For backup, I bought DVD-RAM drive for $400. 5.2GB(double side) media is around $35, you can use them as 2.3GB x 2 disks. Enabling raw-write in scsi_cd.c, you can newfs/mount DVD-RAM as UFS. Write speed is around 500KB/s, and read speed is around 1.4MB/s. -- /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 6:22:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gateway.cybernet.com (gateway.cybernet.com [192.245.33.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF4F157E5 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 06:22:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mtaylor@cybernet.com) Received: from gateway.cybernet.com (gateway.cybernet.com [192.245.33.1]) by gateway.cybernet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA12486; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:19:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mtaylor@cybernet.com) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:19:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark J. Taylor" To: Greg Lehey Cc: Sheldon Hearn , Poul-Henning Kamp , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ccd bugs (was: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers) In-Reply-To: <19990818083935.L7187@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This may be related: There is a long as a parameter to ccdbuffer that needs to be a u_long. Otherwise, you'll get panics (can't remember where). Basically, bcount needs to be a u_long in all cases. I haven't gotten around, because of the NetMAX for Linux project, to comitting things like this to the FreeBSD project. -Mark Taylor NetMAX Developer mtaylor@cybernet.com http://www.netmax.com/ Patches relative to FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE. Pine probably botched the formatting, so do this by hand. *** ccd.c 1999/07/17 00:15:53 1.1 --- ccd.c 1999/07/22 04:03:37 1.2 *************** *** 199,201 **** static void ccdbuffer __P((struct ccdbuf **ret, struct ccd_softc *, ! struct buf *, daddr_t, caddr_t, long)); static void ccdgetdisklabel __P((dev_t)); --- 199,201 ---- static void ccdbuffer __P((struct ccdbuf **ret, struct ccd_softc *, ! struct buf *, daddr_t, caddr_t, u_long)); static void ccdgetdisklabel __P((dev_t)); *************** *** 767,769 **** { ! register long bcount, rcount; struct ccdbuf *cbp[4]; --- 767,769 ---- { ! register u_long bcount, rcount; struct ccdbuf *cbp[4]; *************** *** 822,824 **** caddr_t addr; ! long bcount; { --- 822,824 ---- caddr_t addr; ! u_long bcount; { On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Tuesday, 17 August 1999 at 10:28:34 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:27:57 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > >> 4. [not quite easy] The CCD device ditto. > >> Earn brownie points: Make ccdconfig use sysctl instead of > >> libkvm to read back configuration. > > > > Anyone who decides to tackle this one is likely to have the wherewithall > > to test a PR which I can't right now -- PR 10077: > > > > PR: 10077 > > Class: kern > > Synopsis: dd'ing a ccd stripped partition sometimes hangs in physstr > > Don't count on it. He's talking serious disk space (starting at 8 GB > on two disks). > > Why did you take this one? It's certainly not a dd problem. I'd > guess that it's a numeric overflow problem; there have been other such > problems in ccd before. > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers > finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 6:30:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263FB14D57 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 06:30:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11H5nA-0000Ri-00; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:30:12 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: "Mark J. Taylor" Cc: Greg Lehey , Poul-Henning Kamp , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ccd bugs (was: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:19:20 -0400." Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:30:12 +0200 Message-ID: <1717.934983012@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:19:20 -0400, "Mark J. Taylor" wrote: > There is a long as a parameter to ccdbuffer that needs to be a u_long. > Otherwise, you'll get panics (can't remember where). > Basically, bcount needs to be a u_long in all cases. Que? Are you sure? That means you want to change struct buf, where b_bcount is declared as long, as well? Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 6:45:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358DB14D82; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 06:44:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 489011C19; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2F13823; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:46:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: committers@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: HEADS UP: devtoname Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As a result of a discussion between myself, Bruce Evans, and Poul-Henning Kemp, there now exists a kernel function: char *devtoname (dev_t dev) Use it like so: printf("dev: %s", devtoname(dev)); Intead of the previous: printf("dev: %x", dev); Using the old format will only print a pointer that will be of no use after an error has occured. Developers who are using a debugger wouldn't need this debug message anyways, so the memory address is of use to no-one. Examples of how to fix existing code has been committed in cam/scsi/scsi_pt.c and i386/isa/spkr.c, though I'm sure there exists a plethora of old code which uses the old style. The function was written by phk. -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:48:08 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Bill Fumerola Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: HEADS UP: devtoname (was: cvs commit: src/sys/cam/scsi scsi_pt.c src/sys/sys conf.h src/sys/i386/isa spkr.c src/sys/kern kern_conf.c) On Tuesday, 17 August 1999 at 13:25:51 -0700, Bill Fumerola wrote: > billf 1999/08/17 13:25:50 PDT > > Modified files: > sys/cam/scsi scsi_pt.c > sys/sys conf.h > sys/i386/isa spkr.c > sys/kern kern_conf.c > Log: > Welcome devtoname(), to most likely be used when printing information > about a dev_t. > > printf("%x", dev) now becomes printf("%s", devtoname(dev)) because > printing actual information about the device is much more useful then > printing a pointer to an address that would never help the developer debug. This is nice stuff. I think it's worth a heads up. It's far too easy to miss this kind of thing in the daily flood of updated $Id$ strings. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 6:51:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE7014E7E; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 06:51:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11H67X-0000Ya-00; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:51:15 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Bill Fumerola Cc: committers@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: devtoname In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:46:09 -0400." Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:51:15 +0200 Message-ID: <2143.934984275@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:46:09 -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: > As a result of a discussion between myself, Bruce Evans, and Poul-Henning > Kemp, there now exists a kernel function: > > char *devtoname (dev_t dev) Cool. This can be used to sort out the obscure message you get when you attempt a kernel dump to a bad partition. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 6:52:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gateway.cybernet.com (gateway.cybernet.com [192.245.33.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66931585D for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 06:52:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mtaylor@cybernet.com) Received: from gateway.cybernet.com (gateway.cybernet.com [192.245.33.1]) by gateway.cybernet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA14295; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:50:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mtaylor@cybernet.com) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:50:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark J. Taylor" To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Greg Lehey , Poul-Henning Kamp , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ccd bugs (was: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers) In-Reply-To: <1717.934983012@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We didn't go as far as modifying the structure definition, just the few "bcount" variables in the ccd.c code. The problem was that we were seeing bcount go "negative". I believe that "newfs" of the ccd would panic the kernel, reliably. Even on "smaller" ccds (1 Gbyte), I believe. I'm talking about ccds configured as in: ccdconfig -c ccd0 0 0 /dev/da0s1c I know, this is fairly worthless as it stands, but it is done so we can later "upgrade" the ccd to a mirror. RSN, we will be moving to vinum. Hi Greg! Linux, BTW, does s/w RAID5. But, it seems you can't operate in degraded mode, and the RAID5 reconstruction happens at boot time. We've got a 130 GB RAID5 volume under Linux that takes about 10 hours to "ckraid". I hope that this box never panics! -Mark Taylor NetMAX Developer mtaylor@cybernet.com http://www.netmax.com/ On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:19:20 -0400, "Mark J. Taylor" wrote: > > > There is a long as a parameter to ccdbuffer that needs to be a u_long. > > Otherwise, you'll get panics (can't remember where). > > Basically, bcount needs to be a u_long in all cases. > > Que? Are you sure? That means you want to change struct buf, where > b_bcount is declared as long, as well? > > Ciao, > Sheldon. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 7:37:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E6D14C25 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:37:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 725091C19; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D163823; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:37:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: devtoname In-Reply-To: <2143.934984275@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > As a result of a discussion between myself, Bruce Evans, and Poul-Henning > > Kemp, there now exists a kernel function: > > > > char *devtoname (dev_t dev) > > Cool. This can be used to sort out the obscure message you get when you > attempt a kernel dump to a bad partition. :-) The obscure message is really obscure because if you had a debugger you wouldn't need the old message, and if you don't have a debugger the old message is useless. -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 7:45: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.sitaranetworks.com (apollo.sitaranetworks.com [199.103.141.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D2B156B3 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:44:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from loverso@sitara.net) Message-ID: <37BAC5FA.9C57EF63@sitara.net> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:40:58 -0400 From: "John R. LoVerso" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? References: <199908180010.RAA92534@rah.star-gate.com> <199908180047.RAA40957@apollo.backplane.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > One thing www.buy.com is really good for, ... > is to get pricing information on a general search. You can then use it > to do comparison shopping. Or, just use one of the pricing web servers. I use (and in the order I prefer) Pricescan, KillerApp, and Shopper (web pages are s/.*/www.\1.com/, of course). These allow you to search for the best price from a number of different vendors, including Buy, Onsale/AtCost, etc. The best price on the Yamaha CRW4416S (4x4x16 SCSI INT) is $186, found at Pricescan and from at least 3 vendors. The best price on the CRW6416S (6x4x16 SCSI INT) is $246, found at Shopper (the only one quoting this drive). I like KillerApp's interface the best, but it doesn't carry as many products as the others and lately it's pricing database doesn't seem up to date. Unlike the others, it also gives you technical specs on the products, as well as links to the mfg's specific product page. This is invaluable. KillerApp also lets you make comparisions of multiple products. Pricescan has a search interface similar to, and slightly better than, KillerApp's. It far beats Shopper in terms of usefulness. But, Shopper has more products listed. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 7:46:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60E414D9B for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:46:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id QAA07045; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:35:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07967; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:32:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199908180932.LAA07967@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive In-Reply-To: <199908180459.VAA42619@apollo.backplane.com> from Matthew Dillon at "Aug 17, 1999 9:59: 2 pm" To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com (Matthew Dillon) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:32:56 +0200 (CEST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Matthew Dillon wrote ... > : The device is probably dev=0,1 > > I'm sorry, I meant 1,0. Also 0,1,0 should work. > > Try: > > cdrecord dev=1,0 -inq > > You should get: > > Cdrecord release 1.8a22 Copyright (C) 1995-1999 Jörg Schilling > scsidev: '0,3,0' > scsibus: 0 target: 3 lun: 0 > Device type : Removable CD-ROM > Version : 2 And once you've found the right dev you can set CDR_DEVICE and CDR_SPEED in your shell environment. Saves you from typing it every five minutes. Like: CDR_DEVICE=0,1,0 CDR_SPEED=4 -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 7:47:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gate.consol.de (gate.consol.de [194.221.87.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB95158F5 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:47:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Michael.Elbel@consol.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: Michael.Elbel@consol.de (at relayer gate2.consol.de) Received: from msgsrv.bb.consol.de (root@msgsrv.bb.consol.de [10.250.0.100]) by gate2.consol.de (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18297; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:19:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fourier.int.consol.de (fourier.int.consol.de [10.0.1.17]) by msgsrv.bb.consol.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10932; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:19:11 +0200 Received: (from me@localhost) by fourier.int.consol.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) id MAA94834; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:19:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from me) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:19:10 +0200 From: Michael Elbel To: current@freebsd.org Cc: dillon@apollo.backplane.com Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? Message-ID: <19990818121909.A92770@consol.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In lists.freebsd.current you write: > Does anyone know how to create a bootable CDRom? mkisofs -b You just need the image of a bootable floppy. I've made several homegrown FreeBSD install CDs with boot.flp . Michael -- \|/ -O- Michael Elbel, ConSol* GmbH, - me@consol.de - 089 / 45841-256 /|\ Fermentation fault (coors dumped) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 8:33:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D539155B8 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:33:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA47533; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:33:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:33:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908181533.IAA47533@apollo.backplane.com> To: Wilko Bulte Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive References: <199908180932.LAA07967@yedi.iaf.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : :And once you've found the right dev you can set CDR_DEVICE and CDR_SPEED :in your shell environment. Saves you from typing it every five minutes. :Like: : :CDR_DEVICE=0,1,0 :CDR_SPEED=4 Yah, or if you don't want to create yet another environment variable you can stick those in the /etc/default/cdrecord file (note: the directory is 'default' not 'defaults'). Remember that at least for the Yamaha you can set the speed to 6 if you are burning CD-R's. 4 is the max for CD-RW's. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 8:37:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009EE157F6 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:37:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA47581; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:36:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:36:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908181536.IAA47581@apollo.backplane.com> To: "Mark J. Taylor" Cc: Sheldon Hearn , Greg Lehey , Poul-Henning Kamp , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ccd bugs (was: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers) References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :We didn't go as far as modifying the structure definition, just the :few "bcount" variables in the ccd.c code. :The problem was that we were seeing bcount go "negative". I believe that :"newfs" of the ccd would panic the kernel, reliably. Even on "smaller" :ccds (1 Gbyte), I believe. :I'm talking about ccds configured as in: : ccdconfig -c ccd0 0 0 /dev/da0s1c : :I know, this is fairly worthless as it stands, but it is done so we can :later "upgrade" the ccd to a mirror. : :RSN, we will be moving to vinum. Hi Greg! : :Linux, BTW, does s/w RAID5. But, it seems you can't operate in degraded :mode, and the RAID5 reconstruction happens at boot time. We've got a 130 :GB RAID5 volume under Linux that takes about 10 hours to "ckraid". I hope :that this box never panics! : :-Mark Taylor :NetMAX Developer :mtaylor@cybernet.com :http://www.netmax.com/ This is very odd. I use several multi-disk ccd stripes, including one at BEST across three 18G drives (one 54G partition!). I've never had a problem. I believe that at some point in the past 'newfs' and 'fsck' had overflow problems, but those were fixed. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 8:38: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4319C1595F for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:38:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA47607; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:38:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:38:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908181538.IAA47607@apollo.backplane.com> To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: "Mark J. Taylor" , Greg Lehey , Poul-Henning Kamp , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ccd bugs (was: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers) References: <1717.934983012@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : :> There is a long as a parameter to ccdbuffer that needs to be a u_long. :> Otherwise, you'll get panics (can't remember where). :> Basically, bcount needs to be a u_long in all cases. : :Que? Are you sure? That means you want to change struct buf, where :b_bcount is declared as long, as well? : :Ciao, :Sheldon. Absolutely not. The maximum size of a struct buf is 64K or 128K or something like that. b_bcount is fine the way it is. There could be a problem with people *using* b_bcount in a complex expression and not casting it higher, but there is no problem with the structural field itself. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 8:40:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B44D14C93 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:40:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA47644; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:40:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:40:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908181540.IAA47644@apollo.backplane.com> To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, rb@gid.co.uk, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? References: <199908180010.RAA92534@rah.star-gate.com> <199908180047.RAA40957@apollo.backplane.com> <14266.40954.10126.5835K@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :For backup, I bought DVD-RAM drive for $400. :5.2GB(double side) media is around $35, you can use them as 2.3GB x 2 :disks. : :Enabling raw-write in scsi_cd.c, you can newfs/mount DVD-RAM as UFS. :Write speed is around 500KB/s, and read speed is around 1.4MB/s. : :-- :/\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa Isn't that the drive with the enclosed DVD disk -- kinda like a permanent caddy? I've avoided the DVD-RAM drives because of that and because the standard is still going through major changes. I expect those drives to become obsolete very quickly once the technology settles down. But in a year or two when the DVD-writers come down in price I'll probably start using them. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 9: 7:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gate.keisu.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.68.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D0F8114C27 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:07:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: (qmail 6295 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 16:07:56 -0000 Received: from sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (10.6.1.20) by ns06.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 16:07:56 -0000 Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp [10.6.1.30]) by sylph.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7920C2DAA9; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:07:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp by ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp (8.9.3/sat-V0.6) id BAA06749; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:07:55 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:07:53 +0900 Message-ID: <14266.55897.674406.98255P@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Hidetoshi Shimokawa To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, rb@gid.co.uk, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-Reply-To: In your message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:40:59 -0700 (PDT)" <199908181540.IAA47644@apollo.backplane.com> References: <199908180010.RAA92534@rah.star-gate.com> <199908180047.RAA40957@apollo.backplane.com> <14266.40954.10126.5835K@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <199908181540.IAA47644@apollo.backplane.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/1.0.0 (Kokomo) SEMI/1.13.3 (Komaiko) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) MULE XEmacs/21.2 (beta13) (Demeter) (i386-unknown-freebsd3.1) X-Face: OE([KxWyJI0r[R~S/>7ia}SJ)i%a,$-9%7{*yihQk|]gl}2p#"oXmX/fT}Bn7:#j7i14gu$ jgR\S*&C3R/pJX wrote: > > :For backup, I bought DVD-RAM drive for $400. > :5.2GB(double side) media is around $35, you can use them as 2.3GB x 2 > :disks. > : > :Enabling raw-write in scsi_cd.c, you can newfs/mount DVD-RAM as UFS. > :Write speed is around 500KB/s, and read speed is around 1.4MB/s. > : > :-- > :/\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa > > Isn't that the drive with the enclosed DVD disk -- kinda like a permanent > caddy? I've avoided the DVD-RAM drives because of that and because the Type I(double side) is with a permanent caddy, but TypeII(single side) can be pulled out from the enclosure and supposed to be read by DVD-ROM drives. > standard is still going through major changes. I expect those drives > to become obsolete very quickly once the technology settles down. But in > a year or two when the DVD-writers come down in price I'll probably > start using them. Right. Another standard is already proposed, but as for backup device, it's not so much problem. > -Matt > Matthew Dillon > -- /\ Hidetoshi Shimokawa \/ simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp PGP public key: finger -l simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 9:27:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 247C714ED8; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:27:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA12671; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:50:16 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199908181350.PAA12671@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: is pageable memory available in kernel (or will it be ?) To: current@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:50:16 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 911 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, i wonder if some form of pageable memory is available (or will be, or can be done with relatively little effort) to pieces of the lower half of the kernel. The reason is, the PGM implementation i am working on might need to work with really huge windows (megabytes) and on the sender side it is not unlikely to have to store a whole file whatever its size is. I suppose sendfile() might have to deal with a similar problem ? cheers luigi -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ngc99/ ==== First International Workshop on Networked Group Communication ==== -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 9:41:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FB014FBA for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:41:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA47947; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:42:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:42:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908181642.JAA47947@apollo.backplane.com> To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: is pageable memory available in kernel (or will it be ?) References: <199908181350.PAA12671@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Hi, : :i wonder if some form of pageable memory is available (or will be, or :can be done with relatively little effort) to pieces of the lower half :of the kernel. The reason is, the PGM implementation i am working on :might need to work with really huge windows (megabytes) and on the :sender side it is not unlikely to have to store a whole file whatever :its size is. : :I suppose sendfile() might have to deal with a similar problem ? : : cheers : luigi :-----------------------------------+------------------------------------- : Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione The kernel supports the notion of 'managed' pages in KVM, but does not support the notion of actually taking and processing a page fault from supervisor mode. sendfile() pre-reserves a block of KVM and stores the reservation in sf->kva. Essentially, a number of pte entries are being reserved. The memory area is initially unmapped. sendfile() then wires the VM pages associated with the file into this reserved space using pmap_qenter(). It initiates I/O and waits for it to complete when necessary when pages are not already in the VM cache, and unwires them when it is through. DG did a wonderful job writing sendfile, it is very clean code. The only issue with doing this sort of thing in general is that you need to reserve a significant amount of KVM. Fortunately we recently bumped up the amount of KVM in the system so you should be able to safely reserve a significant amount without any potential problems - 5 to 20MB depending. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 10:58:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA59A14D15 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:58:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12956; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:56:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908181756.KAA12956@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Wilko Bulte , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:33:14 PDT." <199908181533.IAA47533@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:56:42 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have to agree with Matt on this plus the set of defaults is system wide . Is it possible to get a system bus enumeration from the system so a program such a cdrecord can attempt to make an intelligent decision as to which device is the cd recorder for instance we know that the system can print the device's name and its scsi address: cd0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device Cheers -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 11:17:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.camalott.com (mail.camalott.com [208.203.140.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76E31502D for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:17:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joelh@gnu.org) Received: from detlev.UUCP (tex-32.camalott.com [208.229.74.32]) by mail.camalott.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA13584; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:25:03 -0500 Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17472; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:17:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from joelh) To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: dillon@apollo.backplane.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, rb@gid.co.uk, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? References: <199908180010.RAA92534@rah.star-gate.com> <199908180047.RAA40957@apollo.backplane.com> <14266.40954.10126.5835K@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Joel Ray Holveck Date: 18 Aug 1999 13:17:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa's message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:58:50 +0900" Message-ID: <86so5hvtqn.fsf@detlev.UUCP> Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > For backup, I bought DVD-RAM drive for $400. > 5.2GB(double side) media is around $35, you can use them as 2.3GB x 2 > disks. No reason to buy double-sided media; just buy single-sided and punch a hole along the edge. :-) joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 11:20:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.camalott.com (mail.camalott.com [208.203.140.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96EE615995 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:20:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joelh@gnu.org) Received: from detlev.UUCP (tex-32.camalott.com [208.229.74.32]) by mail.camalott.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA14033; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:28:13 -0500 Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17482; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:20:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from joelh) To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Richard Cownie , Alex Zepeda , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, tich@par28.ma.ikos.com Subject: SIGBUS [was Re: gdb] References: <199908172041.NAA90654@rah.star-gate.com> From: Joel Ray Holveck Date: 18 Aug 1999 13:20:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: Amancio Hasty's message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:41:42 -0700" Message-ID: <86pv0lvtld.fsf@detlev.UUCP> Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > (gdb) run > Starting program: /tmp/./sieve > Program received signal SIGBUS, Bus error. That reminds me. I thought that SIGBUS meant byte-alignment errors. What does it mean on FreeBSD/x86? Cheers, joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 11:27:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393FC14E30 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:27:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brooks@one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from localhost (brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18680; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:26:56 -0700 (PDT) From: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net X-Authentication-Warning: orion.ac.hmc.edu: brdavis owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:26:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Wilko Bulte , hasty@rah.star-gate.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive In-Reply-To: <199908181533.IAA47533@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > Remember that at least for the Yamaha you can set the speed to 6 if > you are burning CD-R's. 4 is the max for CD-RW's. When I last used cdrecord (on Solaris) I remember finding that if I tried to write with a speed that was too high for the media type (i.e. 2x on a 1x CD-RW writer) that the drive (an older Yamaha) did the right thing so you should be able to set the higher speed globaly. The only problem was that cdrecord didn't do the right thing so the time estimates were bogus. -- Brooks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 11:31: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.camalott.com (mail.camalott.com [208.203.140.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC3F14E30 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:30:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joelh@gnu.org) Received: from detlev.UUCP (tex-32.camalott.com [208.229.74.32]) by mail.camalott.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA14231; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:30:30 -0500 Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17485; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:22:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from joelh) To: "Matt Crawford" Cc: "Pleschutznig, Andreas" , "'Leif Neland'" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Teergrubes [was Re: Dropping connections without RST] References: <199908172021.PAA04143@gungnir.fnal.gov> From: Joel Ray Holveck Date: 18 Aug 1999 13:22:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Matt Crawford"'s message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:21:49 -0500" Message-ID: <86n1vpvtho.fsf@detlev.UUCP> Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > process normally if the HELO and MAIL From/RCPT To look all right; > otherwise continue to read small gulps of the DATA at slow intervals, > then answer the final "." with a *temporary* failure code. I'd rather have spammers consume less of my CPU time and bandwidth, not have them keep coming back again and again. I suppose if you've got the computrons to waste, then it's okay. joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 11:59:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.ev1.net (smtp.ev1.net [216.88.76.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD17815897 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:59:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gagnocg@ev1.net) Received: from hal [216.88.79.74] by mail2.ev1.net (SMTPD32-5.04) id A2D44190134; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:00:36 CDT Date: Wed Aug 18 14:11:04 1999 From: Chuck Gagnon To: "FreeBSD-current" Subject: bootparamd changed for use with inetd X-Mailer: Spruce 0.4.8a for X11 w/smtpio 0.5.8 Message-Id: <199908181400.SM00146@hal> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've dug through the archives and found no mention of this subject. Are there any political/technical reasons why bootparamd was not set up to work with inetd? If the answer is no, I've included a patch for /usr/src/usr.sbin/bootparamd/bootparamd/main.c that allows it to work this way. I was also wondering if it would be more correct to put it in libexec under the name rpc.bootparamd if this patch were accepted? This does not break the ability to run it standalone. here is an example inetd.conf line I use: bootparamd/1 dgram rpc/udp wait root /usr/libexec/rpc.bootparamd rpc.bootparamd and under current naming sceme it would be: bootparamd/1 dgram rpc/udp wait root /usr/sbin/bootparamd bootparamd It accually boots my sparc10 just fine. In fact I can boot the sparc over 10T from my FBSD box faster than it boots from local disk :-) -- any theories on why? --- Chuck Gagnon (gagnocg@ev1.net) --- cut here ------ cut here ------ cut here --- begin 644 patch-aa M+2TM(&UA:6XN8RYOPHM"5-60UA04E0@*G1R86YS<#L*+0EI;G0@:3L*+0ES=')U8W0@ M:&]S=&5N="`J:&4["BT)PHM"0ER;W5T95]A9&1R(#T@:6YE=%]A M9&1R*&]P=&%R9RD["BT)"6)R96%K.PHM"2`@("`@('T@96QS92!["BT)"6AE M(#T@9V5T:&]S=&)Y;F%M92AO<'1APHK("`@(&-A2AH92T^:%]A9&1R+"`H8VAAPHK("`)("`@97)R>"@Q+"`B;F\@F5O9BAFPHK("`@(&9R;VU?:6YE=&0@/2`P.PHK("`@('-O8VL@/2!24$-?04Y94T]# M2SL**R`@("!PF5R M;R@H8VAAF5O M9B!FF5O M9B`H"@Q+"`B=6YA8FQE('1O(')E9VES M=&5R("A"3T]44$%204U04D]'+"!"3T]44$%204U615)3+"!U9'`I(BD["BL@ M('T**PHK("!I9B`HPHK("`@(&=E=%]M>6%D M9')E5]A9&1R+G-I;E]A9&1R M+G-?861DF5O9B`H"@Q+"`B=6YA8FQE('1O(')E9VES M=&5R("A"3T]44$%204U04D]'+"!"3T]44$%204U615)3+"!U9'`I(BD["B`* M+0ES=F-?"@Q+"`B&ET*#$I.PHK("!F<')I;G1F*'-T9&5R&ET*#$I.PHK?0HK"BMV;VED"BMC;&5A;G5P M*"D**WL**R`@*'9O:60I<&UA<%]U;G-E="A"3T]44$%204U04D]'+"!"3T]4 M4$%204U615)3*3L**R`@97AI="@P*3L**WT**PHK=F]I9`HK=7!D871EPHK("!U<&1A=&5S=&%T*"D["BL@(&EF("@A('-T871?:7-?:6YI="D* M*R`@("!S=&%T7VEN:70H*3L**R`@; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:08:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00928 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:08:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908181908.MAA00928@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CD writer : Baby Hacker II Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:08:03 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG 1. Modify cdrecord so that if a device is not specified it will do a -scanbus . Present the user with a choice of cd recorders from which to chose from . Ideally there should be a generic device query interface to the system so other similar utilities can do the same thing . 2. Create an LDAP schema to store the configuration for cdrecord. the entry should have: host , InetOrgPerson, cd recorder brand/model, device name, scsibus address, CD-R speed, CD-RW speed... I can provide a servlet which can manage the configuration of the LDAP server. If you are interested on LDAP see: http://www.openldap.org and/or send me email. 3. A bit more dificult. Create a shared library module out of cdrecord with an interface similar to netscape's plug-in . Pick a graphical utility for instance gcombust and interface it to the plug-in. 4. Pie in the sky: Do step 2 and use xml as your protocol . For instance , if an app such gcombust sents a status query to the plug-in its response should be encapsulated in xml : detailing the device , current status : recording/pause/playing/stop. Enjoy -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 12:18:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEDF14F9D for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:17:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA21502; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:15:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Message-Id: <199908181915.NAA21502@panzer.kdm.org> Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive In-Reply-To: <199908181756.KAA12956@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Aug 18, 1999 10:56:42 am" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:15:55 -0600 (MDT) Cc: dillon@apollo.backplane.com (Matthew Dillon), wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte), current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Kenneth D. Merry" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UNKNOWN-8BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Amancio Hasty wrote... > I have to agree with Matt on this plus the set of defaults is system wide . What are you agreeing with him on? Why not quote what you're talking about? > Is it possible to get a system bus enumeration from the system so > a program such a cdrecord can attempt to make an intelligent > decision as to which device is the cd recorder for instance we > know that the system can print the device's name and its > scsi address: If you want a bus number, there's a really easy way to get it: # camcontrol devlist at scbus0 target 3 lun 0 (pass0,ch0) at scbus0 target 4 lun 0 (pass1,sa0) at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (pass2,da0) at scbus1 target 1 lun 0 (pass3,da1) at scbus1 target 3 lun 0 (pass4,cd0) at scbus1 target 6 lun 0 (pass5,cd1) at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 (pass6,da2) So, in this case, the bus,target,lun combination for my CD-R is 1,3,0. cdrecord itself also has a slightly more obtuse way of doing the same thing: # cdrecord -scanbus Cdrecord release 1.8a22 Copyright (C) 1995-1999 Jörg Schilling scsibus0: 0) * 1) * 2) * 3) 'EXABYTE ' 'EXB-10i ' '2.6 ' Removable Juke Box 4) 'EXABYTE ' 'EXB-8500-85Qanx0' '0415' Removable Tape 5) * 6) * 7) * scsibus1: 100) 'SEAGATE ' 'ST31230W ' '0510' Disk 101) 'SEAGATE ' 'ST32155N ' '0318' Disk 102) * 103) 'PLEXTOR ' 'CD-R PX-R412C ' '1.04' Removable CD-ROM 104) * 105) * 106) 'PLEXTOR ' 'CD-ROM PX-4XCS ' '1.04' Removable CD-ROM 107) * scsibus2: 200) 'SEAGATE ' 'ST34371N ' '0484' Disk 201) * 202) * 203) * 204) * 205) * 206) * 207) * The camcontrol output is easier to figure out, though. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 12:29:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EB515930 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:29:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01073; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:28:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908181928.MAA01073@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: dillon@apollo.backplane.com (Matthew Dillon), wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte), current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:15:55 MDT." <199908181915.NAA21502@panzer.kdm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:28:23 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Amancio Hasty wrote... > > I have to agree with Matt on this plus the set of defaults is system = wide . > = > What are you agreeing with him on? Why not quote what you're talking > about? > = > > Is it possible to get a system bus enumeration from the system so = > > a program such a cdrecord can attempt to make an intelligent > > decision as to which device is the cd recorder for instance we > > know that the system can print the device's name and its > > scsi address: > = > If you want a bus number, there's a really easy way to get it: > = > # camcontrol devlist > at scbus0 target 3 lun 0 (pass0,ch0)= > at scbus0 target 4 lun 0 (pass1,sa0)= > at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (pass2,da0)= > at scbus1 target 1 lun 0 (pass3,da1)= > at scbus1 target 3 lun 0 (pass4,cd0)= > at scbus1 target 6 lun 0 (pass5,cd1)= > at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 (pass6,da2)= > = > So, in this case, the bus,target,lun combination for my CD-R is 1,3,0. > = > cdrecord itself also has a slightly more obtuse way of doing the same > thing: > = > # cdrecord -scanbus > Cdrecord release 1.8a22 Copyright (C) 1995-1999 J=F6rg Schilling > scsibus0: > 0) * > 1) * > 2) * > 3) 'EXABYTE ' 'EXB-10i ' '2.6 ' Removable Juk= e Box > 4) 'EXABYTE ' 'EXB-8500-85Qanx0' '0415' Removable Tap= e > 5) * > 6) * > 7) * > scsibus1: > 100) 'SEAGATE ' 'ST31230W ' '0510' Disk > 101) 'SEAGATE ' 'ST32155N ' '0318' Disk > 102) * > 103) 'PLEXTOR ' 'CD-R PX-R412C ' '1.04' Removable CD-= ROM > 104) * > 105) * > 106) 'PLEXTOR ' 'CD-ROM PX-4XCS ' '1.04' Removable CD-= ROM > 107) * > scsibus2: > 200) 'SEAGATE ' 'ST34371N ' '0484' Disk > 201) * > 202) * > 203) * > 204) * > 205) * > 206) * > 207) * > = > The camcontrol output is easier to figure out, though. > = > Ken This is about ease of use . cdrecord in the absence of a device specifica= tion = should query the bus and present the user with a choice of cd recorder devices i= deally if there is one cd recorder it should go ahead an use it if such behavior= is = not desired then create an option "--confirm" to ask the user if its okay= to use the "guessed" cd recorder. camcontrol is a generic scsi command line interface and very nice . What = I am = after is a generic bus enumerator API so apps like cd recorder or fxtv can use= to locate the device in the absence of a specified device. Cheers -- = Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 12:42:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9162B158DC for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:42:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA21622; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:39:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Message-Id: <199908181939.NAA21622@panzer.kdm.org> Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive In-Reply-To: <199908181928.MAA01073@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Aug 18, 1999 12:28:23 pm" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:39:45 -0600 (MDT) Cc: dillon@apollo.backplane.com, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Kenneth D. Merry" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Amancio Hasty wrote... > > Amancio Hasty wrote... > > > I have to agree with Matt on this plus the set of defaults is system wide . > > > > What are you agreeing with him on? Why not quote what you're talking > > about? > > > > > Is it possible to get a system bus enumeration from the system so > > > a program such a cdrecord can attempt to make an intelligent > > > decision as to which device is the cd recorder for instance we > > > know that the system can print the device's name and its > > > scsi address: > > > > If you want a bus number, there's a really easy way to get it: > > > > # camcontrol devlist > > at scbus0 target 3 lun 0 (pass0,ch0) > > at scbus0 target 4 lun 0 (pass1,sa0) > > at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (pass2,da0) > > at scbus1 target 1 lun 0 (pass3,da1) > > at scbus1 target 3 lun 0 (pass4,cd0) > > at scbus1 target 6 lun 0 (pass5,cd1) > > at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 (pass6,da2) > > > > So, in this case, the bus,target,lun combination for my CD-R is 1,3,0. > > > > cdrecord itself also has a slightly more obtuse way of doing the same > > thing: > > > > # cdrecord -scanbus > > Cdrecord release 1.8a22 Copyright (C) 1995-1999 J_rg Schilling > > scsibus0: > > 0) * > > 1) * [ ... ] > > The camcontrol output is easier to figure out, though. > > > > Ken > > This is about ease of use . cdrecord in the absence of a device specification > should > query the bus and present the user with a choice of cd recorder devices ideally > if there is one cd recorder it should go ahead an use it if such behavior is > not desired then create an option "--confirm" to ask the user if its okay > to use the "guessed" cd recorder. If you think cdrecord should do something different, talk to Joerg Schilling about it. > camcontrol is a generic scsi command line interface and very nice . What I am > after > is a generic bus enumerator API so apps like cd recorder or fxtv can use > to locate the device in the absence of a specified device. There is a generic SCSI bus enumerator API, and one for PCI as well. There isn't a generic API to get trees of devices of any type in the system, though. With new-bus that might be possible, but having done two enumerator APIs already (I wrote the CAM and PCI enumerator code), I can predict that it might be very complicated to do properly. (Things get really hairy when you have to keep the device tree from changing while you're traversing it.) In any case, for the two applications you specified, cdrecord is only interested in SCSI devices, and there is already an API -- that cdrecord already supports -- to do bus/device enumeration. The cdrecord -scanbus code already uses that API. Similarly, there is already a PCI device listing interface, so fxtv should be able to easily pull out the devices it is interested in. All it has to do is search for all "meteor" or "bktr" devices to find what it wants. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 12:51:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E749A15C41 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:50:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ambrisko@whistle.com) Received: from whistle.com (crab.whistle.com [207.76.205.112]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA13518 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ambrisko@localhost) by whistle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA57121 for current@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:46:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ambrisko) From: Doug Ambrisko Message-Id: <199908181946.MAA57121@whistle.com> Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-Reply-To: from "Kevin S. Brackett" at "Aug 17, 99 07:42:24 pm" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:46:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL29 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kevin S. Brackett writes: | Oh, well then, :) I'm glad I said something before I actually bought one | (I saw the atapi RW drives were rather cheap now (~US$125)) I think that most IDE CD-R/CD-RW will just work using Soren's ata driver in current. I'm doing that on my laptop right now with a hacked pccard and hacked ata driver. Also I have an external IDE hard disk as well. I do have a problem with buffer underflows when do a mkisofs to a 4X write over PCMCIA. 2X works fine. BTW I'm using a Sony drive. Doug A. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 12:51:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2834A15C01 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:50:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01438; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:49:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908181949.MAA01438@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: dillon@apollo.backplane.com, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:39:45 MDT." <199908181939.NAA21622@panzer.kdm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:49:13 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Amancio Hasty wrote... > > > Amancio Hasty wrote... > > > > I have to agree with Matt on this plus the set of defaults is system wide . > > > > > > What are you agreeing with him on? Why not quote what you're talking > > > about? > > > > > > > Is it possible to get a system bus enumeration from the system so > > > > a program such a cdrecord can attempt to make an intelligent > > > > decision as to which device is the cd recorder for instance we > > > > know that the system can print the device's name and its > > > > scsi address: > > > > > > If you want a bus number, there's a really easy way to get it: > > > > > > # camcontrol devlist > > > at scbus0 target 3 lun 0 (pass0,ch0) > > > at scbus0 target 4 lun 0 (pass1,sa0) > > > at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (pass2,da0) > > > at scbus1 target 1 lun 0 (pass3,da1) > > > at scbus1 target 3 lun 0 (pass4,cd0) > > > at scbus1 target 6 lun 0 (pass5,cd1) > > > at scbus2 target 0 lun 0 (pass6,da2) > > > > > > So, in this case, the bus,target,lun combination for my CD-R is 1,3,0. > > > > > > cdrecord itself also has a slightly more obtuse way of doing the same > > > thing: > > > > > > # cdrecord -scanbus > > > Cdrecord release 1.8a22 Copyright (C) 1995-1999 J_rg Schilling > > > scsibus0: > > > 0) * > > > 1) * > > [ ... ] > > > > The camcontrol output is easier to figure out, though. > > > > > > Ken > > > > This is about ease of use . cdrecord in the absence of a device specification > > should > > query the bus and present the user with a choice of cd recorder devices ideally > > if there is one cd recorder it should go ahead an use it if such behavior is > > not desired then create an option "--confirm" to ask the user if its okay > > to use the "guessed" cd recorder. > > If you think cdrecord should do something different, talk to Joerg > Schilling about it. > > > camcontrol is a generic scsi command line interface and very nice . What I am > > after > > is a generic bus enumerator API so apps like cd recorder or fxtv can use > > to locate the device in the absence of a specified device. > > There is a generic SCSI bus enumerator API, and one for PCI as well. There > isn't a generic API to get trees of devices of any type in the system, > though. With new-bus that might be possible, but having done two > enumerator APIs already (I wrote the CAM and PCI enumerator code), I can > predict that it might be very complicated to do properly. (Things get > really hairy when you have to keep the device tree from changing while > you're traversing it.) > > In any case, for the two applications you specified, cdrecord is only > interested in SCSI devices, and there is already an API -- that cdrecord > already supports -- to do bus/device enumeration. The cdrecord -scanbus > code already uses that API. > > Similarly, there is already a PCI device listing interface, so fxtv should > be able to easily pull out the devices it is interested in. All it has to > do is search for all "meteor" or "bktr" devices to find what it wants. > > Ken Now how can I map a device name from this bus enumeration so that I can issue an "open" to the device: pciconf -l chip0@pci0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x12378086 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 isab0@pci0:1:0: class=0x060100 card=0x00000000 chip=0x70008086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 ide_pci0@pci0:1:1: class=0x010180 card=0x00000000 chip=0x70108086 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 chip1@pci0:1:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x00000000 chip=0x70208086 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 de0@pci0:9:0: class=0x020000 card=0x11001385 chip=0x00091011 rev=0x22 hdr=0x00 bktr0@pci0:10:0: class=0x040000 card=0x13eb0070 chip=0x036e109e rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 none0@pci0:10:1: class=0x048000 card=0x13eb0070 chip=0x0878109e rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 ahc0@pci0:11:0: class=0x010000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x81789004 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 ahc1@pci0:12:0: class=0x010000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71789004 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 vga-pci0@pci0:13:0: class=0x030000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x0519102b rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 12:56:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0B514CA2 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:56:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA21794; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:55:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Message-Id: <199908181955.NAA21794@panzer.kdm.org> Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive In-Reply-To: <199908181949.MAA01438@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Aug 18, 1999 12:49:13 pm" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:55:38 -0600 (MDT) Cc: dillon@apollo.backplane.com, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Kenneth D. Merry" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Amancio Hasty wrote... > > There is a generic SCSI bus enumerator API, and one for PCI as well. There > > isn't a generic API to get trees of devices of any type in the system, > > though. With new-bus that might be possible, but having done two > > enumerator APIs already (I wrote the CAM and PCI enumerator code), I can > > predict that it might be very complicated to do properly. (Things get > > really hairy when you have to keep the device tree from changing while > > you're traversing it.) > > > > In any case, for the two applications you specified, cdrecord is only > > interested in SCSI devices, and there is already an API -- that cdrecord > > already supports -- to do bus/device enumeration. The cdrecord -scanbus > > code already uses that API. > > > > Similarly, there is already a PCI device listing interface, so fxtv should > > be able to easily pull out the devices it is interested in. All it has to > > do is search for all "meteor" or "bktr" devices to find what it wants. > > > > Ken > > Now how can I map a device name from this bus enumeration so that I can issue > an "open" to the device: > > pciconf -l > chip0@pci0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x12378086 rev=0x02 > hdr=0x00 > isab0@pci0:1:0: class=0x060100 card=0x00000000 chip=0x70008086 rev=0x01 > hdr=0x00 > ide_pci0@pci0:1:1: class=0x010180 card=0x00000000 chip=0x70108086 > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > chip1@pci0:1:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x00000000 chip=0x70208086 rev=0x01 > hdr=0x00 > de0@pci0:9:0: class=0x020000 card=0x11001385 chip=0x00091011 rev=0x22 > hdr=0x00 > bktr0@pci0:10:0: class=0x040000 card=0x13eb0070 chip=0x036e109e > rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 > none0@pci0:10:1: class=0x048000 card=0x13eb0070 chip=0x0878109e > rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 > ahc0@pci0:11:0: class=0x010000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x81789004 rev=0x00 > hdr=0x00 > ahc1@pci0:12:0: class=0x010000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71789004 rev=0x03 > hdr=0x00 > vga-pci0@pci0:13:0: class=0x030000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x0519102b > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 Only one of the above devices actually has a character device interface in /dev. All you have to do is something like this: sprintf(foo, "/dev/%s%d", p->pd_name, p->pd_unit); The only way it would become complicated is if the device name in the kernel were different than the device name in /dev. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 13: 7:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578DE15A4E for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:07:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01623; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:04:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908182004.NAA01623@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: dillon@apollo.backplane.com, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:55:38 MDT." <199908181955.NAA21794@panzer.kdm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:04:31 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Amancio Hasty wrote... > > > There is a generic SCSI bus enumerator API, and one for PCI as well. There > > > isn't a generic API to get trees of devices of any type in the system, > > > though. With new-bus that might be possible, but having done two > > > enumerator APIs already (I wrote the CAM and PCI enumerator code), I can > > > predict that it might be very complicated to do properly. (Things get > > > really hairy when you have to keep the device tree from changing while > > > you're traversing it.) > > > > > > In any case, for the two applications you specified, cdrecord is only > > > interested in SCSI devices, and there is already an API -- that cdrecord > > > already supports -- to do bus/device enumeration. The cdrecord -scanbus > > > code already uses that API. > > > > > > Similarly, there is already a PCI device listing interface, so fxtv should > > > be able to easily pull out the devices it is interested in. All it has to > > > do is search for all "meteor" or "bktr" devices to find what it wants. > > > > > > Ken > > > > Now how can I map a device name from this bus enumeration so that I can issue > > an "open" to the device: > > > > pciconf -l > > chip0@pci0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x12378086 rev=0x02 > > hdr=0x00 > > isab0@pci0:1:0: class=0x060100 card=0x00000000 chip=0x70008086 rev=0x01 > > hdr=0x00 > > ide_pci0@pci0:1:1: class=0x010180 card=0x00000000 chip=0x70108086 > > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 > > chip1@pci0:1:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x00000000 chip=0x70208086 rev=0x01 > > hdr=0x00 > > de0@pci0:9:0: class=0x020000 card=0x11001385 chip=0x00091011 rev=0x22 > > hdr=0x00 > > bktr0@pci0:10:0: class=0x040000 card=0x13eb0070 chip=0x036e109e > > rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 > > none0@pci0:10:1: class=0x048000 card=0x13eb0070 chip=0x0878109e > > rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 > > ahc0@pci0:11:0: class=0x010000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x81789004 rev=0x00 > > hdr=0x00 > > ahc1@pci0:12:0: class=0x010000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x71789004 rev=0x03 > > hdr=0x00 > > vga-pci0@pci0:13:0: class=0x030000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x0519102b > > rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 > > Only one of the above devices actually has a character device interface in > /dev. All you have to do is something like this: > > sprintf(foo, "/dev/%s%d", p->pd_name, p->pd_unit); > > The only way it would become complicated is if the device name in the > kernel were different than the device name in /dev. > > Ken Or if there is a system call or modification to open such that I can issue : open("pci0:10:0", .....) On the kernel side, I hope that the pci code can translate a bus enumeration to an actual major , minor device. The only problem that I see with such an approach is security and I would rather deal with that later. -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 13:10:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D938814F5F for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:10:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA29799; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:11:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:11:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199908182011.QAA29799@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Amancio Hasty Cc: "Kenneth D. Merry" , dillon@apollo.backplane.com, wilko@yedi.iaf.nl, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive In-Reply-To: <199908182004.NAA01623@rah.star-gate.com> References: <199908181955.NAA21794@panzer.kdm.org> <199908182004.NAA01623@rah.star-gate.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: > Or if there is a system call or modification to open such that I can issue : > open("pci0:10:0", .....) Don't be silly. > On the kernel side, I hope that the pci code can translate a bus enumeration > to an actual major , minor device. No, it knows nothing about special files, nor should it. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 13:15:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from smtprch1.nortel.com (smtprch1.nortelnetworks.com [192.135.215.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E698D15994 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:15:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from atrens@nortelnetworks.com) Received: from zcars01t by smtprch1.nortel.com; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:04:01 -0500 Received: from hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com by zcars01t; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:11:29 -0400 Received: from hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com (hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com [47.196.31.114]) by hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com (8.9.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23227; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:13:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew Atrens" Reply-To: "Andrew Atrens" To: Doug Ambrisko Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? In-Reply-To: <199908181946.MAA57121@whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Doug Ambrisko wrote: > I think that most IDE CD-R/CD-RW will just work using Soren's ata driver > in current. I'm doing that on my laptop right now with a hacked pccard and > hacked ata driver. Also I have an external IDE hard disk as well. I do have > a problem with buffer underflows when do a mkisofs to a 4X write over > PCMCIA. 2X works fine. Making your dd blocksize a multiple (say 10) of physical blocksize should cure this. I use something like: AUBLKSIZE=2352 AUWRSIZE=5 AURDSIZE=`expr $AUWRSIZE '*' 2` OBS=`expr $AUBLKSIZE '*' $AUWRSIZE` IBS=`expr $AUBLKSIZE '*' $AURDSIZE` rtprio 5 team -v 1m 5 <$1 | \ rtprio 4 dd ibs=$IBS of=$WORM obs=$OBS conv=osync || exit ymmv, Andrew. -- +-- | Andrew Atrens Nortel Networks, Ottawa, Canada. | | All opinions expressed are my own, not those of any employer. | --+ Heller's Law: The first myth of management is that it exists. Johnson's Corollary: Nobody really knows what is going on anywhere within the organization. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 13:51: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 666FE159FE for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:50:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-4-7.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.135]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA43906; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:51:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA96216; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:51:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:50:30 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Matthew Dillon Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive Message-ID: <19990818135029.A96193@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199908180932.LAA07967@yedi.iaf.nl> <199908181533.IAA47533@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199908181533.IAA47533@apollo.backplane.com>; from Matthew Dillon on Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 08:33:14AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Yah, or if you don't want to create yet another environment variable > you can stick those in the /etc/default/cdrecord file (note: the > directory is 'default' not 'defaults'). If that is truely the case we need to send-pr it -- ports are *not* allowed to have application-specific files anywhere except under PREFIX. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 14: 2:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED1E151E1 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:02:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-4-7.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.135]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA43972; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:02:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA96269; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:02:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:02:09 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Amancio Hasty , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? Message-ID: <19990818140209.B96193@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199908172057.NAA90801@rah.star-gate.com> <199908172109.PAA04351@panzer.kdm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199908172109.PAA04351@panzer.kdm.org>; from Kenneth D. Merry on Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 03:09:17PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > [ Amancio's reply moved to the *bottom* where replies belong.. ] He (and some others on this list) should also learn how to NOT QUOTE THE ENTIRE MESSAGE. Only the relevant parts should be quoted. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 16: 4:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928FA15226 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:04:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA16314 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA78865; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:04:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:04:13 -0400 (EDT) To: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ccd bugs (was: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers) In-Reply-To: <199908181536.IAA47581@apollo.backplane.com> References: <199908181536.IAA47581@apollo.backplane.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14267.14704.457889.455378@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon writes: > This is very odd. I use several multi-disk ccd stripes, including one at > BEST across three 18G drives (one 54G partition!). I've never had a > problem. > > I believe that at some point in the past 'newfs' and 'fsck' had overflow > problems, but those were fixed. > Ditto. We have a pair of scratch servers, each with a ccd stripe across 4 16GB IDE drives on Promise IDE cards(using the new ata driver). They're both running -current from about 2 months ago, and both have behaved flawlessly. Btw, they really perform well too, even when interoperating with NFS clients from other vendors. They can take NFSv3 writes from an Ultrasparc at nearly 100Mb/s wire speed. (10MB/sec). Try that w/linux ;-) Its really a shame we don't have NFS locking. If we had NFS server-side locking, we'd probably convert our home directories servers to FreeBSD servers with Vinum Raid-5. As it is, we're going to have to go with Solaris. Its really a shame, because on the same hardware, FreeBSD (w/Vinum Raid-5) runs circles around Solaris' disksuite software Raid-5. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 17:42:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cygnus.rush.net (cygnus.rush.net [209.45.245.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0993D14F51 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:42:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@rush.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by cygnus.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA13933; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:50:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Alfred Perlstein To: Joel Ray Holveck Cc: Amancio Hasty , Richard Cownie , Alex Zepeda , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, tich@par28.ma.ikos.com Subject: Re: SIGBUS [was Re: gdb] In-Reply-To: <86pv0lvtld.fsf@detlev.UUCP> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 18 Aug 1999, Joel Ray Holveck wrote: > > (gdb) run > > Starting program: /tmp/./sieve > > Program received signal SIGBUS, Bus error. > > That reminds me. I thought that SIGBUS meant byte-alignment errors. > What does it mean on FreeBSD/x86? Another possible source for SIGBUS should be generated when accessing a mmap'd region past the end of a file. -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@rush.net|bright@wintelcom.net] systems administrator and programmer Wintelcom - http://www.wintelcom.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 18:33:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B932615926 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:33:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17301; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:30:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908190130.SAA17301@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Joel Ray Holveck , Richard Cownie , Alex Zepeda , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, tich@par28.ma.ikos.com Subject: Re: SIGBUS [was Re: gdb] In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:50:05 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:30:50 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On 18 Aug 1999, Joel Ray Holveck wrote: > > > > (gdb) run > > > Starting program: /tmp/./sieve > > > Program received signal SIGBUS, Bus error. > > > > That reminds me. I thought that SIGBUS meant byte-alignment errors. > > What does it mean on FreeBSD/x86? > > Another possible source for SIGBUS should be generated when accessing > a mmap'd region past the end of a file. > The boehm garbage collector is trying to find the memory limit so I guess in FreeBSD is going to get a SIGBUS. In linux they get SIGV -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 19:27:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.camalott.com (mail.camalott.com [208.203.140.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7A914D92 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:27:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joelh@gnu.org) Received: from detlev.UUCP (tex-113.camalott.com [208.229.74.113]) by mail.camalott.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA09419; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:35:56 -0500 Received: (from joelh@localhost) by detlev.UUCP (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21585; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:28:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from joelh@gnu.org) X-Authentication-Warning: detlev.UUCP: joelh set sender to joelh@gnu.org using -f To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa Cc: dillon@apollo.backplane.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, rb@gid.co.uk, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cd writer recommendation? References: <199908180010.RAA92534@rah.star-gate.com> <199908180047.RAA40957@apollo.backplane.com> <14266.40954.10126.5835K@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> <199908181540.IAA47644@apollo.backplane.com> <14266.55897.674406.98255P@ett.sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> From: Joel Ray Holveck Date: 18 Aug 1999 21:28:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: Hidetoshi Shimokawa's message of "Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:07:53 +0900" Message-ID: <869078tsg6.fsf@detlev.UUCP> Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>> Isn't that the drive with the enclosed DVD disk -- kinda like a permanent >>> caddy? I've avoided the DVD-RAM drives because of that and because the > Type I(double side) is with a permanent caddy, but TypeII(single side) > can be pulled out from the enclosure and supposed to be read by > DVD-ROM drives. Although perhaps not by all DVD-ROM drives; the spec sheet for mine (Pioneer 303S) specifically says that it won't do DVD-RAM. joelh -- Joel Ray Holveck - joelh@gnu.org Fourth law of programming: Anything that can go wrong wi sendmail: segmentation violation - core dumped To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 19:39:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD6E150C2 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:39:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA23323 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:39:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908190239.TAA23323@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: patches for tosha? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:39:04 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Or does tosha work with CAM? tosha -t 1 Device: /dev/cd0c -- "YAMAHA" "CRW6416S" "1.0b" track playing start end raw size mp3 size # of track number time sector sector in bytes 128 kbps frames type --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 4:37'07 0 20781 48879264 4434328 10608 audio error sending CD-DA read command: Invalid argument gdb tosha ... 139 if (readcmd == 0xd8) (gdb) 150 csio_build (&hdl->ccb->csio, (gdb) 159 if ((result = cam_send_ccb(hdl->cam_dev, hdl->ccb)) < 0) { (gdb) 160 perror ("error sending CD-DA read command"); (gdb) error sending CD-DA read command: Invalid argument (gdb) bt #0 toscsi_readsectors (hdl=0x8062490, start=0, endpp=20782, outfd=7) at toscsi.c:161 #1 0x8049e2b in main (argc=3, argv=0xbfbfd170) at tosha.c:763 #2 0x8048ba9 in _start () (gdb) At least tosha is able to read the index of the AUDIO CD: {root} tosha -i Device: /dev/cd0c -- "YAMAHA" "CRW6416S" "1.0b" track playing start end raw size mp3 size # of track number time sector sector in bytes 128 kbps frames type --------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 4:37'07 0 20781 48879264 4434328 10608 audio 2 4:38'73 20782 41704 49210896 4464408 10680 audio 3 5:17'47 41705 65526 56029344 5082861 12160 audio 4 3:50'18 65527 82794 40614336 3684675 8814 audio 5 4:11'17 82795 101636 44316384 4020461 9618 audio 6 5:28'58 101637 126294 57995616 5261208 12586 audio 7 4:40'72 126295 147366 49561344 4496195 10756 audio 8 3:55'38 147367 165029 41543376 3768941 9016 audio 9 4:57'27 165030 187331 52454304 4758595 11384 audio 10 4:45'53 187332 208759 50398656 4572141 10938 audio 11 3:40'65 208760 225324 38960880 3534701 8456 audio 12 5:21'07 225325 249406 56640864 5138328 12292 audio --------------------------------------------------------------------- total 55:25'32 249407 sectors 586605264 53290417 127302 Tnks! -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 19:52:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp [133.6.124.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DEE14D1B for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:52:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kato@ganko.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp) Received: from localhost (gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp [133.6.124.148]) by eclogite.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id LAA20736 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:51:07 +0900 (JST) To: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Cyrix/IBM CPU detection From: KATO Takenori In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:15:08 +0900" <19990816181508C.kato@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> References: <19990816181508C.kato@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) X-PGP-Fingerprint: 03 72 85 36 62 46 23 03 52 B1 10 22 44 10 0D 9E Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990819115037Q.kato@gneiss.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:50:37 +0900 X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 41 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I revised BlueLightning CPU patch because I found that there are BlueLightning CPUs which do not change undefined flag by dividing 5 by 2 like Intel CPUs. After my obtaining test reports on *both* IBM BlueLightning CPUs and old Intel 486 CPUs that do not support cpuid instruction, I'll commit into current. If the patch has side effect on non-IBM CPU, of course, I'll discard it. ---------- BEGIN ---------- *** sys/i386/i386/identcpu.c.ORIG Wed Aug 18 21:55:33 1999 --- sys/i386/i386/identcpu.c Thu Aug 19 11:40:03 1999 *************** *** 852,857 **** --- 852,871 ---- break; } } + } else if (cpu == CPU_486 && *cpu_vendor == '\0') { + /* + * There are BlueLightning CPUs that do not change + * undefined flags by dividing 5 by 2. In this case, + * the CPU identification routine in locore.s leaves + * cpu_vendor null string and puts CPU_486 into the + * cpu. + */ + isblue = identblue(); + if (isblue == IDENTBLUE_IBMCPU) { + strcpy(cpu_vendor, "IBM"); + cpu = CPU_BLUE; + return; + } } } ---------- END ---------- -----------------------------------------------+--------------------------+ KATO Takenori | FreeBSD | Dept. Earth Planet. Sci, Nagoya Univ. | The power to serve! | Nagoya, 464-8602, Japan | http://www.FreeBSD.org/ | ++++ FreeBSD(98) 3.2: Rev. 01 available! |http://www.jp.FreeBSD.org/| ++++ FreeBSD(98) 2.2.8: Rev. 02 available! +==========================+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 20:53:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF9815A46 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:53:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id MAA26733; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:49:40 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <37B948CA.6E2DE113@newsguy.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:34:34 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Andrzej Bialecki , Poul-Henning Kamp , Marcel Moolenaar , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q: Extending the sysctl MIB for Linuxulator variables References: <199908161709.KAA10454@apollo.backplane.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon wrote: > > :Well, it's also a module, so perhaps we should create the whole subtree > :for modules (as was already discussed several times..) > : > :Andrzej Bialecki > > Yes, this is very true. But I think we are fooling ourselves if we > believe linux emulation will not become 'standard' in the near future. > Then we'll kick ourselves for giving the sysctl's convoluted names :-) Also, the way we choose to tread leds to a highly modularized kernel. Placing stuff in a "module" category would be somewhat redundant, then. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "You intend to eat me, then?" he asked the dragon. "Well, I must admit, more for the amusement than the taste." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 21: 7:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cheddar.netmonger.net (cheddar.netmonger.net [209.54.21.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD9514BD3 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:07:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@cheddar.netmonger.net) Received: (from chris@localhost) by cheddar.netmonger.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA12181; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990819000525.A11800@netmonger.net> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:05:25 -0400 From: Christopher Masto To: current@freebsd.org Subject: -current broken? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yesterday and today, after a cvsup and kernel build, I get a panic very early in the boot on my laptop. What's left on the screen is a general protection fault in kernel mode, and an attempt to trace just causes another panic. Tomorrow I will put a serial cable on it and get some details, but I'm guessing that this comes from the recent BUF_STRATEGY stuff, possibly breaking in the wd driver (which might be why there hasn't been a report yet if most everyone is using ata). I'm stuck with wd for the moment (pccard compact flash stuff), so if that's it and it hasn't been repaired by then, I'll dig into it. -- Christopher Masto Senior Network Monkey NetMonger Communications chris@netmonger.net info@netmonger.net http://www.netmonger.net Free yourself, free your machine, free the daemon -- http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 21:13:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.zuhause.org (c2-178.xtlab.com [205.215.217.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C903515003 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:13:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bruce@zuhause.mn.org) Received: by mail.zuhause.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0B2607C55; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:11:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Bruce Albrecht MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14267.33799.686905.186515@celery.zuhause.org> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:11:51 -0500 (CDT) To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Amancio Hasty , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive In-Reply-To: <199908180450.VAA42534@apollo.backplane.com> References: <199908180433.VAA11141@rah.star-gate.com> <199908180450.VAA42534@apollo.backplane.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon writes: > And to head off another question: When you are recording to a CD-RW > you can do a 'quick erase' of the media using 'cdrecord blank=fast'. > This does not actually erase the data, so if you have used say 100MB > you will only have 550MB left. You can actually erase the media using > 'cdrecord blank=all', which takes a while. In my experience, this is not true. I have used blank=fast on a CDRW that has over 500 MB written, and then written another 500 MB without a problem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 21:20:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04D614DBD for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:20:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA21240; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:50:23 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id NAA27857; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:50:21 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:50:21 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "Mark J. Taylor" Cc: Sheldon Hearn , Poul-Henning Kamp , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ccd bugs (was: Kernel hacker tasks seek interested hackers) Message-ID: <19990819135020.R14964@freebie.lemis.com> References: <1717.934983012@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Mark J. Taylor on Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 09:50:54AM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday, 18 August 1999 at 9:50:54 -0400, Mark J. Taylor wrote: > On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:19:20 -0400, "Mark J. Taylor" wrote: >> >>> There is a long as a parameter to ccdbuffer that needs to be a u_long. >>> Otherwise, you'll get panics (can't remember where). >>> Basically, bcount needs to be a u_long in all cases. >> >> Que? Are you sure? That means you want to change struct buf, where >> b_bcount is declared as long, as well? > > We didn't go as far as modifying the structure definition, just the > few "bcount" variables in the ccd.c code. > The problem was that we were seeing bcount go "negative". That's a bug. I'd guess that your modification took the bite of the bug, but the bug remains. b_bcount is, of course, the number of bytes that the request should transfer. Both ccd and vinum play around with struct bufs, creating their own headers, and it's conceivable that under some circumstances ccd might end up with a negative count. But it's definitely a bug, and a serious one, if it happens. > I believe that > "newfs" of the ccd would panic the kernel, reliably. Even on "smaller" > ccds (1 Gbyte), I believe. > I'm talking about ccds configured as in: > ccdconfig -c ccd0 0 0 /dev/da0s1c > > I know, this is fairly worthless as it stands, but it is done so we can > later "upgrade" the ccd to a mirror. Right, but it's probably also a pointer to the bug. > RSN, we will be moving to vinum. Hi Greg! Hi, Mark! I suppose I should try the corresponding vinum config :-) > Linux, BTW, does s/w RAID5. But, it seems you can't operate in degraded > mode, and the RAID5 reconstruction happens at boot time. We've got a 130 > GB RAID5 volume under Linux that takes about 10 hours to "ckraid". I hope > that this box never panics! You want vinum on Linux? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 21:28:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19BD14DBD for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:28:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00529; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:27:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908190427.VAA00529@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Bruce Albrecht Cc: Matthew Dillon , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:11:51 CDT." <14267.33799.686905.186515@celery.zuhause.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:27:43 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Matthew Dillon writes: > > And to head off another question: When you are recording to a CD-RW > > you can do a 'quick erase' of the media using 'cdrecord blank=fast'. > > This does not actually erase the data, so if you have used say 100MB > > you will only have 550MB left. You can actually erase the media using > > 'cdrecord blank=all', which takes a while. > > In my experience, this is not true. I have used blank=fast on a CDRW > that has over 500 MB written, and then written another 500 MB without > a problem. I could be wrong;nevertheless, last nite I made a couple of CDs over 500MB with "blank=fast" and it worked. -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 21:37: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0425A14DBD for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:36:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id GAA04643; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:36:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Christopher Masto Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current broken? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:05:25 EDT." <19990819000525.A11800@netmonger.net> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:36:00 +0200 Message-ID: <4641.935037360@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I saw that yesterday, and fixed it by: cd /usr/src make includes cd /sys/i386/conf config -r CRITTER cd ../../compile/CRITTER make depend make In message <19990819000525.A11800@netmonger.net>, Christopher Masto writes: >Yesterday and today, after a cvsup and kernel build, I get a panic >very early in the boot on my laptop. What's left on the screen is a >general protection fault in kernel mode, and an attempt to trace just >causes another panic. Tomorrow I will put a serial cable on it and >get some details, but I'm guessing that this comes from the recent >BUF_STRATEGY stuff, possibly breaking in the wd driver (which might >be why there hasn't been a report yet if most everyone is using ata). > >I'm stuck with wd for the moment (pccard compact flash stuff), so if >that's it and it hasn't been repaired by then, I'll dig into it. >-- >Christopher Masto Senior Network Monkey NetMonger Communications >chris@netmonger.net info@netmonger.net http://www.netmonger.net > >Free yourself, free your machine, free the daemon -- http://www.freebsd.org/ > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 23:23:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3085150F8 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:23:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dom@myrddin.demon.co.uk) Received: from myrddin.demon.co.uk ([158.152.54.180]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11HLbN-000CpU-0C for current@freebsd.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:23:05 +0000 Received: (from dom@localhost) by myrddin.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA00551 for current@freebsd.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:23:09 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dom) From: Dominic Mitchell Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:23:09 +0100 To: current@freebsd.org Subject: [fwd] [fm/news] newsletter for Aug 18th 1999, 23:59 Message-ID: <19990819072309.B493@myrddin.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Any ideas on who dsubmitted this to freshmeat? -Dom ----- Forwarded message from freshmeat daemon ----- Date: 19 Aug 1999 03:59:01 -0000 To: freshmeat-news@freshmeat.net From: freshmeat daemon Subject: [fm/news] newsletter for Aug 18th 1999, 23:59 This is the official freshmeat newsletter for Wednesday, August 18th. In total, 58 articles have been posted and are included in this email. [ article list ] o wmmmnn 0.3 (X11/Window Maker Applets) o freemed 19990818 (Web/Database) [snip] subject: FreeBSD 4.0-19990816-CURRENT added by: Xcs on Aug 18th 1999, 18:08 license: BSD type category: Console/OS homepage: http://apps.freshmeat.net/homepage/926468674/ download: http://apps.freshmeat.net/download/926468674/ changelog: http://apps.freshmeat.net/changelog/926468674/ description: Briefly, FreeBSD is a UN*X-like operating system based on U.C. Berkeley's 4.4BSD-lite release for the i386 platform. It is also based indirectly on William Jolitz's port of U.C. Berkeley's Net/2 to the i386, known as 386BSD, though very little of the 386BSD code remains. A fuller description of what FreeBSD is and how it can work for you may be found on the FreeBSD home page. changes: A new jail(2) system call and admin command (jail(8)) have been added for additional flexibility in creating secure process execution environments. An emulator for SVR4 binaries has been added. Support has been added for direct access to NTFS filesystems. The base C/C++ compiler has been upgraded from GCC 2.7.2 to EGCS 1.1.2 and much more. urgency: high |> http://freshmeat.net/news/1999/08/18/935014094.html [snip] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 23:29: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED136150C8 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:28:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23020; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:58:44 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990819155844:19113=_"; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" In-Reply-To: <19990819072309.B493@myrddin.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:58:44 +0930 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Dominic Mitchell Subject: RE: [fwd] [fm/news] newsletter for Aug 18th 1999, 23:59 Cc: current@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990819155844:19113=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 19-Aug-99 Dominic Mitchell wrote: > Any ideas on who dsubmitted this to freshmeat? No idea, but submitted FreeBSD 3.2 when it was released.. (Just being a mouthpiece for msmith :) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990819155844:19113=_ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBN7ukHFbYW/HEoF9pAQHdRQP9F2dH7KdfyP1CjbZXSSKr8L3a6TgSAef7 lKeEq1rSqZKiKv+3tl04oD67SngCk3SVm+UfSV6xuRoQ/9ZBFbLstCnfZ+IX2ofo s5bC34jJH14JaR4kJguoamyBQmrtbCIeSvEuVCYY2tO9fSklBbHenet5tl6aYjuF nRsCQkeS6lI= =VDEp -----END PGP MESSAGE----- --_=XFMail.1.3.p0.FreeBSD:990819155844:19113=_-- End of MIME message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Wed Aug 18 23:34:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from bse.bse.bg (bse.bse.bg [195.138.140.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE4815090 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:34:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hristo@bse.bg) Received: from bse.bg (rojen.bse.bg [195.138.140.13]) by bse.bse.bg (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA62607; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:31:48 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <37BBA4D4.51F8AB5D@bse.bg> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:31:48 +0300 From: Hristo Grigorov Organization: BSE Internet Department X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,bg MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominic Mitchell Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [fwd] [fm/news] newsletter for Aug 18th 1999, 23:59 References: <19990819072309.B493@myrddin.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG xcs@demented.net ??? Dominic Mitchell wrote: > > Any ideas on who dsubmitted this to freshmeat? > > -Dom > > ----- Forwarded message from freshmeat daemon ----- > > Date: 19 Aug 1999 03:59:01 -0000 > To: freshmeat-news@freshmeat.net > From: freshmeat daemon > Subject: [fm/news] newsletter for Aug 18th 1999, 23:59 > > This is the official freshmeat newsletter for Wednesday, August 18th. In > total, 58 articles have been posted and are included in this email. > > [ article list ] > > o wmmmnn 0.3 (X11/Window Maker Applets) > o freemed 19990818 (Web/Database) > > [snip] > > subject: FreeBSD 4.0-19990816-CURRENT > added by: Xcs on Aug 18th 1999, 18:08 > license: BSD type > category: Console/OS > > homepage: http://apps.freshmeat.net/homepage/926468674/ > download: http://apps.freshmeat.net/download/926468674/ > changelog: http://apps.freshmeat.net/changelog/926468674/ > > description: > Briefly, FreeBSD is a UN*X-like operating system based on U.C. > Berkeley's 4.4BSD-lite release for the i386 platform. It is also based > indirectly on William Jolitz's port of U.C. Berkeley's Net/2 to the > i386, known as 386BSD, though very little of the 386BSD code remains. A > fuller description of what FreeBSD is and how it can work for you may > be found on the FreeBSD home page. > > changes: > A new jail(2) system call and admin command (jail(8)) have been added > for additional flexibility in creating secure process execution > environments. An emulator for SVR4 binaries has been added. Support has > been added for direct access to NTFS filesystems. The base C/C++ > compiler has been upgraded from GCC 2.7.2 to EGCS 1.1.2 and much more. > > urgency: > high > > |> http://freshmeat.net/news/1999/08/18/935014094.html > > [snip] > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 0:33:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D93150D6 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:33:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA01860; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:33:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908190733.AAA01860@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Hristo Grigorov Cc: Dominic Mitchell , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fwd] [fm/news] newsletter for Aug 18th 1999, 23:59 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:31:48 +0300." <37BBA4D4.51F8AB5D@bse.bg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:33:00 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It wouldn't surprise me if it was a linux fan who made the posting and probably in reaction to the great success of Red Hat's IPO: "They are making fortunes with my code!! " Well thats what I read and I think it was on www.zdnet.com -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 0:43:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C88F14E9B for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:43:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA04137 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:37:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908190737.AAA04137@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: current@freebsd.org Subject: HEADS UP: at_shutdown going away Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:37:20 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG That's right, systems will never shut down. 8) Seriously though, I'm in the process of replacing a number of the ad-hoc event handler callout lists in the kernel (most notably the at_shutdown and apm* lists) with a generic implementation. The upshot of this is that at_shutdown will go away. The old calls: at_shutdown(func, arg, queue) at_shutdown_pri(func, arg, queue, priority) will be replaced with EVENTHANDLER_REGISTER(queue, func, arg, priority) Due to the way the event handler works, this means that event handler functions which were originally void func(int howto, void *arg) will become void func(void *arg, int howto) This is unfortunate but more or less unavoidable. I will be converting all users of at_shutdown in the kernel to the new mechanism, but it's of some concern to me that there may be external code using the old at_shutdown* interfaces that may benefit from a compatibility interface (which could be done relatively easily). Is there significant interest in having this implemented? -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 0:52:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFD314E9B for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:52:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id AAA52911; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:52:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:52:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908190752.AAA52911@apollo.backplane.com> To: Bruce Albrecht Cc: Amancio Hasty , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive References: <199908180433.VAA11141@rah.star-gate.com> <199908180450.VAA42534@apollo.backplane.com> <14267.33799.686905.186515@celery.zuhause.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : > you can do a 'quick erase' of the media using 'cdrecord blank=fast'. : > This does not actually erase the data, so if you have used say 100MB : > you will only have 550MB left. You can actually erase the media using : > 'cdrecord blank=all', which takes a while. : :In my experience, this is not true. I have used blank=fast on a CDRW :that has over 500 MB written, and then written another 500 MB without :a problem. Really? I'll have to mess with it some more. Maybe I had tried to write more data then I thought in my last test. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 1: 5: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A81150E4 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:04:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02054; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:02:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908190802.BAA02054@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Bruce Albrecht , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:52:49 PDT." <199908190752.AAA52911@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:02:12 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > : > you can do a 'quick erase' of the media using 'cdrecord blank=fast'. > : > This does not actually erase the data, so if you have used say 100MB > : > you will only have 550MB left. You can actually erase the media using > : > 'cdrecord blank=all', which takes a while. > : > :In my experience, this is not true. I have used blank=fast on a CDRW > :that has over 500 MB written, and then written another 500 MB without > :a problem. > > Really? I'll have to mess with it some more. Maybe I had tried to > write more data then I thought in my last test. > I just happen to be writing another cd 8) mkisofs -R /mount/cdrom | cdrecord -blank=fast -v fs=10m speed=3 - Track 01: 597 MB written (fifo 100%).Total extents actually written = 311018 Total translation table size: 0 Total rockridge attributes bytes: 1076001 Total directory bytes: 3112960 Path table size(bytes): 15778 Max brk space used 84a29c 311018 extents written (607 Mb) Track 01: 607 MB written (fifo 100%). Track 01: Total bytes read/written: 636964864/636964864 (311018 sectors). Writing time: 2190.437s Fixating... Fixating time: 129.090s cdrecord: fifo had 10034 puts and 10034 gets. cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 9713 times full, min fill was 89%. This is like the third time that I writing pretty much the same image to the CD. Enjoy -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 2:34:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (wandering-wizard.cybercity.dk [212.242.41.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEEA714C8C; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:34:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA00248; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:07:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: msmith@freebsd.org Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: PnP probe croaks in boot... From: Poul-Henning Kamp Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:07:25 +0200 Message-ID: <246.935050045@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike, the PnP probe you added panics my HP800CT during boot. With -v it prints (typed from barely legible notes:) PnPbios: Found PnPBiosdata 0xc00ff000 PnPbios: Entry e8000:33e1 rev 1.0 PnPbios: eventflag at e801b OEM ID 1826744e and then panics with a pagefault at EIP: %058:0x343e, fault address 0x100e. Adding some debugging showed me that this happens on the very first call to bios16_call(). The funny thing is, this happens after a cold boot (hard reset), and goes on until I have booted my /kernel.good (from before your change) just once. After that, and until next hard reset a -current kernel boots just fine. Smells like som unitialized data or something to me... -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 2:53: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (mail.palmerharvey.co.uk [62.172.109.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8531507F for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:52:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Dom.Mitchell@palmerharvey.co.uk) Received: from ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk (unverified) by mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.0.1) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:49:58 +0100 Received: from voodoo.pandhm.co.uk (VOODOO [10.100.35.12]) by ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id Q99XZ2P8; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:49:44 +0100 Received: from dom by voodoo.pandhm.co.uk with local (Exim 2.10 #1) id 11HOpt-000MKU-00; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:50:17 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:50:17 +0100 To: Hristo Grigorov Cc: Dominic Mitchell , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [fwd] [fm/news] newsletter for Aug 18th 1999, 23:59 Message-ID: <19990819105017.B80805@voodoo.pandhm.co.uk> References: <19990819072309.B493@myrddin.demon.co.uk> <37BBA4D4.51F8AB5D@bse.bg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <37BBA4D4.51F8AB5D@bse.bg>; from Hristo Grigorov on Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 09:31:48AM +0300 From: Dominic Mitchell Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 09:31:48AM +0300, Hristo Grigorov wrote: > xcs@demented.net ??? Well, somebody should probably contact freshmeat and let them know that it's not an "official" release as such. Unless, of course, we want the ability to submit daily snapshots to freshmeat. :-) -- Dom Mitchell -- Palmer & Harvey McLane -- Unix Systems Administrator "Finally, when replying to messages only quote the parts of the message your will be discussing or that are relevant. Quoting whole messages and adding two lines at the top is not good etiquette." -- Elias Levy ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 3:40:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.252.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229B415099 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:40:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netchild@Vodix.CS.Uni-SB.de) Received: from work.net.local (maxtnt-209.telip.uni-sb.de [134.96.71.80]) by uni-sb.de (8.9.3/1999070600) with ESMTP id MAA11371 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:40:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: uni-sb.de: Host maxtnt-209.telip.uni-sb.de [134.96.71.80] claimed to be work.net.local Received: from Vodix.CS.Uni-SB.de (localhost.net.local [127.0.0.1]) by work.net.local (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00975 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:39:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from netchild@Vodix.CS.Uni-SB.de) Message-Id: <199908191039.MAA00975@work.net.local> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:39:52 +0200 (CEST) From: A.Leidinger@WJPServer.CS.Uni-SB.de Subject: Bug with malloc_options To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, -current from ~3 days ago. from malloc(3): ---snip--- To specify in the source that a program does no return value checking on calls to these functions: extern char *malloc_options; malloc_options = "X"; ---snip--- my source: ---snip--- #include #include #include /* malloc() */ #include /* offsetof(...) */ #include /* get?id() */ #include #include #if defined(__FreeBSD__) && defined(DEBUG) extern char *malloc_options; /* Line 22 */ malloc_options = "JX"; /* Line 23 */ #endif ---snip--- The output of gcc: ---snip--- 23: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `malloc_options' 23: conflicting types for `malloc_options' 22: previous declaration of `malloc_options' 23: warning: initialization makes integer from pointer without a cast 23: warning: data definition has no type or storage class ---snip--- The output of gcc -E: ---snip--- extern char *malloc_options; malloc_options = "JX"; ---snip--- Should I go to bed or is this a bug in FreeBSD? Bye, Alexander. -- 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name. http://netchild.home.pages.de A.Leidinger+Home @ WJPServer.CS.Uni-SB.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 4:33:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (wandering-wizard.cybercity.dk [212.242.41.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ECF414E2A for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:33:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA00888; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:32:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: A.Leidinger@WJPServer.CS.Uni-SB.de Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bug with malloc_options In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:39:52 +0200." <199908191039.MAA00975@work.net.local> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:32:56 +0200 Message-ID: <886.935062376@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The two lines were intended to be used inside a function, and I'm sure they'll work there... -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 4:41:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from iclub.nsu.ru (iclub.nsu.ru [193.124.222.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E6314E8D for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:41:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Received: from localhost (fjoe@localhost) by iclub.nsu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA65494; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:37:41 +0700 (NSS) (envelope-from fjoe@iclub.nsu.ru) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:37:41 +0700 (NSS) From: Max Khon To: A.Leidinger@WJPServer.CS.Uni-SB.de Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bug with malloc_options In-Reply-To: <199908191039.MAA00975@work.net.local> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, there! On Thu, 19 Aug 1999 A.Leidinger@WJPServer.CS.Uni-SB.de wrote: > -current from ~3 days ago. > > from malloc(3): > ---snip--- > To specify in the source that a program does no return value checking on > calls to these functions: > > extern char *malloc_options; > malloc_options = "X"; > ---snip--- > > my source: > ---snip--- > #include > #include > #include /* malloc() */ > #include /* offsetof(...) */ > #include /* get?id() */ > #include > #include > > #if defined(__FreeBSD__) && defined(DEBUG) > extern char *malloc_options; /* Line 22 */ > malloc_options = "JX"; /* Line 23 */ > #endif > ---snip--- > > The output of gcc: > ---snip--- > 23: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `malloc_options' > 23: conflicting types for `malloc_options' > 22: previous declaration of `malloc_options' > 23: warning: initialization makes integer from pointer without a cast > 23: warning: data definition has no type or storage class > ---snip--- > > The output of gcc -E: > ---snip--- > extern char *malloc_options; > malloc_options = "JX"; > ---snip--- > > Should I go to bed or is this a bug in FreeBSD? first. 'malloc_options = "JX";' should be be within function body /fjoe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 7:29:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEC214C4C; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:28:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA27015; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA80057; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:25:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:25:58 -0400 (EDT) To: current@freebsd.org Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: cc -O broken in -current for Alpha KLDs X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14268.1961.256187.86499@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I do most of my development on alphas & I just turned some local code into a loadable kernel module. It works fine when compiled into the kernel statically, but fails miserably when loaded into an alpha kernel as a module. This alpha is running -current from monday or so. After a day or so of debugging, I decided to run it on an x86 -- it ran just fine. I've narrowed the problem down to one involving optimization and have extracted a simple, reproducable test case. When the test module is loaded without optimization (CFLAGS += -g -O0), it prints the following (which is correct): &Xmit_completes[2].unused = 0xfffffe00056fd0f0 &Xmit_completes[2].start_sanity = 0xfffffe00056fd0f8 &Xmit_completes[2].send_msg = 0xfffffe00056fd100 &Xmit_completes[2].io_func = 0xfffffe00056fd108 &Xmit_completes[2].arg = 0xfffffe00056fd110 &Xmit_completes[2].end_sanity = 0xfffffe00056fd118 Xmit_completes[2].unused = 0 Xmit_completes[2].start_sanity = 2 Xmit_completes[2].send_msg = 0 Xmit_completes[2].io_func = 0 Xmit_completes[2].arg = 0 Xmit_completes[2].end_sanity = -2 With the normal CFLAGS, it prints: &Xmit_completes[2].unused = 0xfffffe00056fd050 &Xmit_completes[2].start_sanity = 0xfffffe00056fd058 &Xmit_completes[2].send_msg = 0xfffffe00056fd060 &Xmit_completes[2].io_func = 0xfffffe00056fd068 &Xmit_completes[2].arg = 0xfffffe00056fd070 &Xmit_completes[2].end_sanity = 0xfffffe00056fd078 Xmit_completes[2].unused = -2 Xmit_completes[2].start_sanity = 0 Xmit_completes[2].send_msg = 0 Xmit_completes[2].io_func = 0 Xmit_completes[2].arg = 0 Xmit_completes[2].end_sanity = 0 If you look at the array in gdb (or print it all) you notice that the "unused" field has taken all the writes intended for the "end_sanity" fields, and all the writes intended for "start_sanity" have disappeared. I'm using the following Makefile to build the module: .PATH: /usr/project/ari1/users/gallatin/hacks/simple KMOD = simple SRCS += simple.c CFLAGS += -g .include The module contains the following code: /**************** start ************************/ #include #include #include #include #define SHMEM_PAYLOAD_SIZE 30 typedef struct _shmem_ctrl_msg { uint pkt_header; uint ctl_length; /* this is all sent as a message */ uint pkt_length; uint gather_length; uint pkt_type; uint shmem_payload[SHMEM_PAYLOAD_SIZE]; uint pad; } ctrl_msg; typedef void (*io_completion_t)(void *, int, caddr_t); typedef struct _io_complete { long unused; long start_sanity; ctrl_msg *send_msg; io_completion_t io_func; caddr_t arg; long end_sanity; }io_completions; #define NUM_RING_ENTRIES 128 io_completions Xmit_completes[NUM_RING_ENTRIES]; static void simple_init(void) { int i; printf("&Xmit_completes[2].unused = %p\n", &Xmit_completes[2].unused); printf("&Xmit_completes[2].start_sanity = %p\n", &Xmit_completes[2].start_sanity); printf("&Xmit_completes[2].send_msg = %p\n", &Xmit_completes[2].send_msg); printf("&Xmit_completes[2].io_func = %p\n", &Xmit_completes[2].io_func); printf("&Xmit_completes[2].arg = %p\n", &Xmit_completes[2].arg); printf("&Xmit_completes[2].end_sanity = %p\n", &Xmit_completes[2].end_sanity); bzero(Xmit_completes, NUM_RING_ENTRIES*sizeof(io_completions)); for (i = 0; i < NUM_RING_ENTRIES; i++){ Xmit_completes[i].io_func = NULL; Xmit_completes[i].send_msg = NULL; Xmit_completes[i].start_sanity = (long)i; Xmit_completes[i].end_sanity = -1LL*(long)i; } printf("Xmit_completes[2].unused = %ld\n", Xmit_completes[2].unused); printf("Xmit_completes[2].start_sanity = %ld\n", Xmit_completes[2].start_sanity); printf("Xmit_completes[2].send_msg = %p\n", Xmit_completes[2].send_msg); printf("Xmit_completes[2].io_func = %p\n", Xmit_completes[2].io_func); printf("Xmit_completes[2].arg = %p\n", Xmit_completes[2].arg); printf("Xmit_completes[2].end_sanity = %ld\n", Xmit_completes[2].end_sanity); } static int simple_modevent(module_t mod, int type, void *unused) { switch (type) { case MOD_LOAD: /* load */ simple_init(); break; case MOD_UNLOAD: /* unload */ break; default: break; } return 0; } moduledata_t simple_mod = {"simple", simple_modevent, 0}; DECLARE_MODULE(simple, simple_mod, SI_SUB_DRIVERS, SI_ORDER_ANY); /************ end **********************/ Any help would be appreciated. I'm currently trying to see if the problem occurs in egcs 2.95 (from ports). But it currently doesn't build.. Thanks, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 7:35:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from wopr.caltech.edu (wopr.caltech.edu [131.215.240.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA0314C59 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:35:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph@wopr.caltech.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by wopr.caltech.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id HAA45970; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:33:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:33:10 -0700 From: Matthew Hunt To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: patches for tosha? Message-ID: <19990819073310.A45719@wopr.caltech.edu> References: <199908190239.TAA23323@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199908190239.TAA23323@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 07:39:04PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 07:39:04PM -0700, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Or does tosha work with CAM? Tosha works fine with CAM, provided you built it post-CAM. There was also a change to CAM between 3.mumble and 3.mumble+1 which required a rebuild of tosha (but no source changes). Try building a fresh tosha, if it's older than your world. -- Matthew Hunt * Science rules. http://www.pobox.com/~mph/ * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 7:36:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D5714A12 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:36:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from vega. (dialup2-64.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.74.128]) by ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10568 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:35:59 +0300 (EEST) Received: from altavista.net (big_brother [192.168.1.1]) by vega. (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA94371 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:34:30 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Message-ID: <37BC15F4.9ABEFC48@altavista.net> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:34:28 +0300 From: Maxim Sobolev Reply-To: sobomax@altavista.net Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: ru,uk,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Strange notebook boot misbehaviour. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I have a notebook (toshiba satellite pro 445) with WinNT and FreeBSD installed and discovered that when I'm booting FreeBSD directly from power-down state or rebooting after FreeBSD then it boots ok, but when I doing reboot from NT it hangs just before mounting / (probably "hang" is not quite correct term because it still responds to ctrl-alt-del). Any ideas of where I should look? Following is my dmesg (with hang point highlited): FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: Mon Aug 16 15:44:57 EEST 1999 root@home:/usr/src/sys/compile/NOTEBOOK Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193135 Hz CPU: Pentium/P55C (132.63-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x543 Stepping = 3 Features=0x8001bf real memory = 33685504 (32896K bytes) avail memory = 30208000 (29500K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0294000. Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface apm0: on motherboard apm: APM BIOS version 0102 apm: Code16 0xc00f0000, Data 0xc00f0000 apm: Code entry 0x0000f91a, Idling CPU disabled, Management enabled apm: CS_limit=0xffff, DS_limit=0xffff apm: Engaged control enabled apm: found APM BIOS v1.2, connected at v1.2 apm: Slow Idling CPU disabled Add hook "default suspend" Add hook "default resume" pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 vga-pci0: at device 4.0 on pci0 chip1: irq 11 at device 11.0 on pci0 isa0: on motherboard ata0 at port 0x1f0 irq 14 on isa0 ... try to identify the yamaha pcm0 at port 0x530 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x10 on isa0 Add hook "pcm resume handler" Add hook "pcm suspend handler" mss_attach 0 at 0x530 irq 5 dma 1:0 flags 0xc110 setting up yamaha registers set yamaha master volume to max fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 ata1 at port 0x170 irq 15 on isa0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 Add hook "PS/2 mouse" psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 vga0: at port 0x3b0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A ppc0 at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (ECP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/16 bytes threshold plip0: on ppbus 0 PC-Card Intel 82365 (5 mem & 2 I/O windows) Add hook "Intel 82365" Add hook "Intel 82365" pcic: controller irq 3 Add hook "Intel 82365" Add hook "Intel 82365" Initializing PC-card drivers: ed ad0: ATA-? disk at ata0 as master ad0: 1376MB (2818368 sectors), 2796 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad0: piomode=4, dmamode=2, udmamode=-1 ad0: 16 secs/int, 0 depth queue, PIO mode atapi: piomode=3, dmamode=1, udmamode=-1 atapi: PIO transfer mode set acd0: CDROM drive at ata1 as master acd0: drive speed 1722KB/sec, 128KB cache acd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-DA, packet track acd0: Audio: play, 255 volume levels acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray acd0: Medium: CD-ROM 120mm data disc loaded, unlocked changing root device to wd0s1a Card inserted, slot 1 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - Hangs after this message!!! APM ioctl: cmd = 0x20005005 called apm_event_enable() Received APM Event: PMEV_POWERSTATECHANGE -Max -- "We believe in the Power and the Might!" (Manowar, 1996) ---------------------------------------- Maxim V. Sobolev, Financial Analyst, Vega International Capital Phone: +380-(44)-246-6396 Fax: +380-(44)-220-8715 E-mail: sobomax@altavista.net ICQ: #42290709 ---------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 8: 4:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.sitaranetworks.com (apollo.sitaranetworks.com [199.103.141.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A17150B0 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:04:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from loverso@sitara.net) Message-ID: <37BC1BFC.9750ECDF@sitara.net> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:00:12 -0400 From: "John R. LoVerso" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Bruce Albrecht , Amancio Hasty , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive References: <199908180433.VAA11141@rah.star-gate.com> <199908180450.VAA42534@apollo.backplane.com> <14267.33799.686905.186515@celery.zuhause.org> <199908190752.AAA52911@apollo.backplane.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > This does not actually erase the data, so if you have used say 100MB > > you will only have 550MB left. You can actually erase the media using > > 'cdrecord blank=all', which takes a while. > In my experience, this is not true. I have used blank=fast on a CDRW > that has over 500 MB written, and then written another 500 MB without I think there's a little confusion here and I don't want to add to it. But... I thought it the case that a CDRW that is fully reformatted (taking 30 minutes; equivalent to blank=all?) can hold 650MB, while a CDRW that is quickly reformatted (to packet writing aka DirectCD-formatting; is this what blank=fast does?) can hold only about 500 MB. It doesn't matter how is on the disk before the quick format happens. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 8:22:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B4B15125 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:22:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arno@heho.snv.jussieu.fr) Received: from hall.snv.jussieu.fr (hall.snv.jussieu.fr [134.157.37.2]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.2) with ESMTP id RAA44260 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:22:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from heho.snv.jussieu.fr (heho.snv.jussieu.fr [134.157.37.22]) by hall.snv.jussieu.fr (8.8.8/jtpda-5.2) with SMTP id RAA26893 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:20:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by heho.snv.jussieu.fr (4.1/jf930126) at Thu, 19 Aug 99 17:22:30 +0200 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING and cdda2wav From: arno@heho.snv.jussieu.fr (Arno J. Klaassen) Date: 19 Aug 1999 17:22:29 +0200 Message-Id: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, just a quick note: on a -current of this morning I recompiled the cdrecord port; kernel compiled with the options: options P1003_1B options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options _KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L launching cdda2wav immediately panics with: panic: setrunqueue: invalid rtprio type outcommenting _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING and _KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L makes everything work again BTW, this works fine on a -stable system I installed at an hospital last week. I'm awfully busy till August the 26th, but afterwards I'm willing to (finally) spend some time in learning how to debug a kernel and submit proper PRs if that could help someone to track the problem. Amicalement, Arno J. Klaassen -- INSERM U483, University Pierre et Marie Curie 9, quai Saint Bernard 75 252 Paris Cedex 5 arno@ccr.jussieu.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 8:52:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC2C151F4 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:52:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id RAA10304; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:34:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA60526; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:20:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199908191020.MAA60526@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: patches for tosha? In-Reply-To: <199908190239.TAA23323@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Aug 18, 1999 7:39: 4 pm" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:20:51 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Amancio Hasty wrote ... > > > Or does tosha work with CAM? It does for me... (3.2-stable). -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 8:54:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F4D15A46 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:53:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id RAA10299; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:34:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA60333; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:16:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199908191016.MAA60333@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive In-Reply-To: <14267.33799.686905.186515@celery.zuhause.org> from Bruce Albrecht at "Aug 18, 1999 11:11:51 pm" To: bruce@zuhause.mn.org (Bruce Albrecht) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:16:31 +0200 (CEST) Cc: dillon@apollo.backplane.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Bruce Albrecht wrote ... > Matthew Dillon writes: > > And to head off another question: When you are recording to a CD-RW > > you can do a 'quick erase' of the media using 'cdrecord blank=fast'. > > This does not actually erase the data, so if you have used say 100MB > > you will only have 550MB left. You can actually erase the media using > > 'cdrecord blank=all', which takes a while. > > In my experience, this is not true. I have used blank=fast on a CDRW > that has over 500 MB written, and then written another 500 MB without > a problem. I have the same experience. Maybe someone into the physics of the media can explain what the pros-cons are as far as the media itself is concerned? Wilko -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 8:58:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4853C14BFD; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:58:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA24587; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:58:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id RAA70837; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:58:29 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:58:28 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Peter Wemm Cc: current@FreeBSD.org Subject: NFS HEADS UP (was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/nfs nfsm_subs.h xdr_subs.h) Message-ID: <19990819175828.Q45123@bitbox.follo.net> References: <199908191450.HAA43604@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <199908191450.HAA43604@freefall.freebsd.org>; from Peter Wemm on Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 07:50:13AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 07:50:13AM -0700, Peter Wemm wrote: > peter 1999/08/19 07:50:13 PDT > > Modified files: > sys/nfs nfsm_subs.h xdr_subs.h > Log: > Convert all the nfs macros to do { blah } while (0) to ensure it > works correctly in if/else etc. egcs had probably picked up most of the > problems here before with "ambiguous braces" etc, but this should > increase the robustness a bit. Based on an idea from Eivind Eklund. When I tested this, I got significant binary changes after changing the macros to be . Writing a couple of test programs, I was not able to get binary changes without actual semantic changes - the optimizer optimize away do { ... } while(0); just fine. I didn't have any testbed for NFS, which was why I didn't commit similar changes myself. Interpretation: NFS is likely to be different now than it was before these commits. This hopefully mean less bugs, but we might also have had bugs cancelling each other and 'mystery fixes' that no longer work. If you get strange effects in NFS in the upcoming time, you might try flipping this commit. I still think the change is a good and necessary one. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 9: 9:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B261C15024 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:09:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25954; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:09:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA18406; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:09:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908191609.JAA18406@vashon.polstra.com> To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: Re: SIGBUS [was Re: gdb] In-Reply-To: <199908190130.SAA17301@rah.star-gate.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: current@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <199908190130.SAA17301@rah.star-gate.com>, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > On 18 Aug 1999, Joel Ray Holveck wrote: > > > > > That reminds me. I thought that SIGBUS meant byte-alignment errors. > > > What does it mean on FreeBSD/x86? > > The boehm garbage collector is trying to find the memory limit so I guess > in FreeBSD is going to get a SIGBUS. > > In linux they get SIGV Right. FreeBSD gives SIGBUS for pages that are mapped but protected, and SIGSEGV for pages that aren't mapped at all. As I recall, Linux doesn't even have SIGBUS as far as the kernel is concerned. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up." -- Nora Ephron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 9:20:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C9C14C37 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:20:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA30718; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:20:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Message-Id: <199908191620.KAA30718@panzer.kdm.org> Subject: Re: patches for tosha? In-Reply-To: <19990819073310.A45719@wopr.caltech.edu> from Matthew Hunt at "Aug 19, 1999 07:33:10 am" To: mph@astro.caltech.edu (Matthew Hunt) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:20:00 -0600 (MDT) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty), Freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Kenneth D. Merry" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Hunt wrote... > On Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 07:39:04PM -0700, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > > Or does tosha work with CAM? > > Tosha works fine with CAM, provided you built it post-CAM. There was > also a change to CAM between 3.mumble and 3.mumble+1 which required a > rebuild of tosha (but no source changes). Try building a fresh tosha, > if it's older than your world. Also, if you're running -current, you'll have to recompile. Justin made some kernel changes on Monday that will require all userland applications be rebuilt. (you'll want to do a make world first, to make sure you've got the right headers installed before you rebuild various ports) Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 9:54:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from asho.zarathushtra.org (regulator.haloblack.org [208.11.244.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F08A715277 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:54:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tstromberg@rtci.com) Received: from rtci.com (localhost.regulator.org [127.0.0.1]) by asho.zarathushtra.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA21777 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:53:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tstromberg@rtci.com) Message-ID: <37BC369D.EB996B5F@rtci.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:53:49 -0400 From: Thomas Stromberg Organization: Research Triangle Consultants, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Kernel Panic at boot with -CURRENT (last 2-3 days) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Background: ----------- Work recently assigned me a Gateway GP7-500 (PIII-500mhz, 96M RAM) to replace my older 333mhz PII that's been running FreeBSD 3.2.. Of course, as my testing machine, I wanted to run FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT on it, and installed the 19990806 snapshot without a problem, and then cvsupped it to -CURRENT. Problem: -------- This was on 17AUG, my kernel panic'd, I just assumed I left something out, but then I saw that GENERIC panic'd as well, and has panic'd since 17AUG, and continues to do so with the -CURRENT snapshot of an hour ago. However, GENERIC from 19990806 works just fine. I decided that after 3 days of kernel panics that it's a real problem and not just some little -CURRENT breakage. I decided yesterday that maybe I need to make world first, so I did. No dice there. And an hour ago, I also rm -Rf'd /usr/src, cvsupped to -CURRENT, made world again, and attempted to rebuild the kernel. Boot Sequence: -------------- If you want to see dmesg.boot from the 4.0-19990806-CURRENT snapshot, it's at http://haloblack.org/misc/dmesg.boot FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: thu Aug 19 12:44:12 EDT 1999 saoshyant@asho.zarathushtra.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC+DDB Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium III (498.67-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "Genuine Intel" Id = 0x672 Stepping = 2 Features = blah blah blah real memory = 100663296 (98304K bytes) config> di lnc0 config> di le0 .. .. config> q avail memory = 93708288 (91512K bytes) Fatal trap 9: general protection fault while in kernel mode instruction pointer = 0x58:0xbc28 stack pointer = 0x10:0xed4 frame pointer = 0x10:0xf20 code segment = base 0xc00f0000, limit 0xffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 0, gran 0 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = Idle interrupt mask = net tty bio cam kernel: type 9 trap, code=0 Stopped at 0xbc28: -- Med vanlig halsingar, ---------------------------------------------------------------- thomas stromberg [TRS40/SM0VVW] : smtp(thomas@stromberg.org) systems guru / asst. is manager : http(www.afterthought.org) research triangle consultants, inc : pots(919.380.9771 x3210) http://www.rtci.com : fax(919.380.1727) FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! : icq(17468041) BeOS Developer ID: 18330 : efnet(Mithra) ---------------------------------------------------------------- : "if you do nothing enough, something's bound to happen.." : ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 10: 2:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (wandering-wizard.cybercity.dk [212.242.41.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F90B1526C for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:02:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA02603; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:02:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Thomas Stromberg Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel Panic at boot with -CURRENT (last 2-3 days) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:53:49 EDT." <37BC369D.EB996B5F@rtci.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:02:05 +0200 Message-ID: <2601.935082125@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG See my earlier post today, it is due to the PnP probe. If you boot a kernel which is older than Mikes commit, you can boot the new kernel after a soft reboot... Poul-Henning In message <37BC369D.EB996B5F@rtci.com>, Thomas Stromberg writes: >Background: >----------- >Work recently assigned me a Gateway GP7-500 (PIII-500mhz, 96M RAM) to >replace my older 333mhz PII that's been running FreeBSD 3.2.. Of course, >as my testing machine, I wanted to run FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT on it, and >installed the 19990806 snapshot without a problem, and then cvsupped it >to -CURRENT. > >Problem: >-------- >This was on 17AUG, my kernel panic'd, I just assumed I left something >out, but then I saw that GENERIC panic'd as well, and has panic'd since >17AUG, and continues to do so with the -CURRENT snapshot of an hour >ago. However, GENERIC from 19990806 works just fine. I decided that >after 3 days of kernel panics that it's a real problem and not just some >little -CURRENT breakage. > >I decided yesterday that maybe I need to make world first, so I did. No >dice there. And an hour ago, I also rm -Rf'd /usr/src, cvsupped to >-CURRENT, made world again, and attempted to rebuild the kernel. > >Boot Sequence: >-------------- >If you want to see dmesg.boot from the 4.0-19990806-CURRENT snapshot, >it's at http://haloblack.org/misc/dmesg.boot > >FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: thu Aug 19 12:44:12 EDT 1999 > saoshyant@asho.zarathushtra.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC+DDB >Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz >CPU: Pentium III (498.67-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "Genuine Intel" Id = 0x672 Stepping = 2 > Features = blah blah blah >real memory = 100663296 (98304K bytes) >config> di lnc0 >config> di le0 >.. >.. >config> q >avail memory = 93708288 (91512K bytes) > > >Fatal trap 9: general protection fault while in kernel mode >instruction pointer = 0x58:0xbc28 >stack pointer = 0x10:0xed4 >frame pointer = 0x10:0xf20 >code segment = base 0xc00f0000, limit 0xffff, type 0x1b > = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 0, gran 0 >processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 >current process = Idle >interrupt mask = net tty bio cam >kernel: type 9 trap, code=0 >Stopped at 0xbc28: > > > > > >-- >Med vanlig halsingar, > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > thomas stromberg [TRS40/SM0VVW] : smtp(thomas@stromberg.org) > systems guru / asst. is manager : http(www.afterthought.org) > research triangle consultants, inc : pots(919.380.9771 x3210) > http://www.rtci.com : fax(919.380.1727) > FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! : icq(17468041) > BeOS Developer ID: 18330 : efnet(Mithra) >---------------------------------------------------------------- >: "if you do nothing enough, something's bound to happen.." : >---------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 10:22: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F113E15144; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA56717; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:20:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:20:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908191720.KAA56717@apollo.backplane.com> To: Eivind Eklund Cc: Peter Wemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NFS HEADS UP (was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/nfs nfsm_subs.h xdr_subs.h) References: <199908191450.HAA43604@freefall.freebsd.org> <19990819175828.Q45123@bitbox.follo.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 07:50:13AM -0700, Peter Wemm wrote: :> peter 1999/08/19 07:50:13 PDT :> :> Modified files: :> sys/nfs nfsm_subs.h xdr_subs.h :> Log: :> Convert all the nfs macros to do { blah } while (0) to ensure it :> works correctly in if/else etc. egcs had probably picked up most of the :> problems here before with "ambiguous braces" etc, but this should :> increase the robustness a bit. Based on an idea from Eivind Eklund. : :When I tested this, I got significant binary changes after changing :the macros to be . Writing a couple of test programs, I was not able :to get binary changes without actual semantic changes - the optimizer :optimize away do { ... } while(0); just fine. I didn't have any :testbed for NFS, which was why I didn't commit similar changes myself. : :Interpretation: NFS is likely to be different now than it was before :these commits. This hopefully mean less bugs, but we might also have :had bugs cancelling each other and 'mystery fixes' that no longer :work. If you get strange effects in NFS in the upcoming time, you :might try flipping this commit. : :I still think the change is a good and necessary one. : :Eivind. The compiler optimizes differently, that's all. The same thing happened when we fixed the macros in vm_map.h. In that case we also found a bug in i386/include/globals.h --- the inline assembly macros are missing the "memory" side effect specification and the code was trying to optimize global references across subroutine calls! I'll send Luoqi another email. In the case of the NFS stuff, the changes have been pretty well tested so I think we are in the clear. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 10:31:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from jason.argos.org (a1-3a123.neo.rr.com [24.93.180.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D14515143 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:31:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@argos.org) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by jason.argos.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA23534; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:31:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:31:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Nowlin To: Maxim Sobolev Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Strange notebook boot misbehaviour. In-Reply-To: <37BC15F4.9ABEFC48@altavista.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have a notebook (toshiba satellite pro 445) with WinNT and FreeBSD > installed and discovered that when I'm booting FreeBSD directly from > power-down state or rebooting after FreeBSD then it boots ok, but when I > doing reboot from NT it hangs just before mounting / (probably "hang" > is not quite correct term because it still responds to ctrl-alt-del). > Any ideas of where I should look? Following is my dmesg (with hang point > highlited): Same problem occurs on my laptop -- between Win95 & Linux -- Linux will freeze after a minute or so if I don't start it from power-off or "Shut down & reboot" from 95... Toshiba 410CS laptop. --mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 10:36:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919F1151D5 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:36:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21141; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:34:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908191734.KAA21141@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: patches for tosha? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:20:51 +0200." <199908191020.MAA60526@yedi.iaf.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:34:29 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > As Amancio Hasty wrote ... > > > > > > Or does tosha work with CAM? > > It does for me... (3.2-stable). > Hi, I think is that tosha does not know how to read audio tracks with my Yamaha cd recorder. The Yamaha have a slightly weird way of reading the audio tracks . I have cdda2wav as an example on how to read audio tracks on Yamaha CDs. The only gotcha is that is for linux so I will have to translate the linux scsi commands to CAM. Writing audio tracks is no problem with "cdrecord". Cheeers -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 10:44: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D890151D5 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:44:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA51376; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:43:38 -0400 (EDT) From: jack To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: patches for tosha? In-Reply-To: <199908191734.KAA21141@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Today Amancio Hasty wrote: > I think is that tosha does not know how to read audio tracks with > my Yamaha cd recorder. The Yamaha have a slightly weird > way of reading the audio tracks . I have cdda2wav as > an example on how to read audio tracks on Yamaha CDs. > The only gotcha is that is for linux so I will have to > translate the linux scsi commands to CAM. cdrecord-1.8a22 includes cdda2wav, no translation necessary. :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 11: 2:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE4DD14DD3 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:02:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21844; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:00:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908191800.LAA21844@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: jack Cc: Freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: patches for tosha? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:43:38 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:00:20 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I am totally full of joy to be able to read audio CDs in FreeBSD . pwd /mnt/ports/sysutils/cdrecord/work/cdrecord-1.8/cdda2wav/OBJ/i386-freebsd-cc {root} ./cdda2wav -D0,1,0 -B 266240 bytes buffer memory requested, 4 buffers, 27 sectors Read TOC CD Text failed (probably not supported). #Cdda2wav version schily0.4_freebsd_4.0-current_i386_i386 real time sched. soundcard support AUDIOtrack pre-emphasis copy-permitted tracktype channels 1-12 no no audio 2 Table of Contents: total tracks:12, (total time 55:27.43) 1.( 4:37.09), 2.( 4:38.97), 3.( 5:17.63), 4.( 3:50.24), 5.( 4:11.23) 6.( 5:28.77), 7.( 4:40.96), 8.( 3:55.51), 9.( 4:57.36), 10.( 4:45.71) 11.( 3:40.87), 12.( 5:21.09), Table of Contents: starting sectors 1.( 0), 2.( 20782), 3.( 41705), 4.( 65527), 5.( 82795) 6.( 101637), 7.( 126295), 8.( 147367), 9.( 165030), 10.( 187332) 11.( 208760), 12.( 225325), lead-out( 249407) CDDB discid: 0xb80cfd0c Tnks A Lot! -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 11: 2:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from asho.zarathushtra.org (regulator.haloblack.org [208.11.244.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8BD15363 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:02:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tstromberg@rtci.com) Received: from rtci.com (localhost.regulator.org [127.0.0.1]) by asho.zarathushtra.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA23358 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:02:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tstromberg@rtci.com) Message-ID: <37BC46A6.388083B5@rtci.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:02:14 -0400 From: Thomas Stromberg Organization: Research Triangle Consultants, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Kernel Panic at boot with -CURRENT (last 2-3 days) References: <2601.935082125@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > See my earlier post today, it is due to the PnP probe. > > If you boot a kernel which is older than Mikes commit, > you can boot the new kernel after a soft reboot... > > Poul-Henning > Yes, I saw that, and tried to rebuild includes this morning (as per your reply), and I still had a kernel panic. So I just went ahead and re-made world, but that didn't seem to help things either. Just in case it had been fixed after I sent the initial post, I've re-cvsupped, made the includes, and recompiled GENERIC to see if that fixed it.. but it still remains an issue for me. Still get that panic (though it is almost assuredly the problem, as the next event IS the PNP probe). This is of course, assuming I'm not misunderstanding something. -- Med vanlig halsingar, ---------------------------------------------------------------- thomas stromberg [TRS40/SM0VVW] : smtp(thomas@stromberg.org) systems guru / asst. is manager : http(www.afterthought.org) research triangle consultants, inc : pots(919.380.9771 x3210) http://www.rtci.com : fax(919.380.1727) FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! : icq(17468041) BeOS Developer ID: 18330 : efnet(Mithra) ---------------------------------------------------------------- : "if you do nothing enough, something's bound to happen.." : ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 11: 9: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cygnus.rush.net (cygnus.rush.net [209.45.245.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD1015081; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:08:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@rush.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by cygnus.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA09950; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:14:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Alfred Perlstein To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Eivind Eklund , Peter Wemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NFS HEADS UP (was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/nfs nfsm_subs.h xdr_subs.h) In-Reply-To: <199908191720.KAA56717@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > > :On Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 07:50:13AM -0700, Peter Wemm wrote: > :> peter 1999/08/19 07:50:13 PDT > :> > :> Modified files: > :> sys/nfs nfsm_subs.h xdr_subs.h > :> Log: > :> Convert all the nfs macros to do { blah } while (0) to ensure it > :> works correctly in if/else etc. egcs had probably picked up most of the > :> problems here before with "ambiguous braces" etc, but this should > :> increase the robustness a bit. Based on an idea from Eivind Eklund. > : > :When I tested this, I got significant binary changes after changing > :the macros to be . Writing a couple of test programs, I was not able > :to get binary changes without actual semantic changes - the optimizer > :optimize away do { ... } while(0); just fine. I didn't have any > :testbed for NFS, which was why I didn't commit similar changes myself. > : > :Interpretation: NFS is likely to be different now than it was before > :these commits. This hopefully mean less bugs, but we might also have > :had bugs cancelling each other and 'mystery fixes' that no longer > :work. If you get strange effects in NFS in the upcoming time, you > :might try flipping this commit. > : > :I still think the change is a good and necessary one. > : > :Eivind. > > The compiler optimizes differently, that's all. The same thing happened > when we fixed the macros in vm_map.h. In that case we also found a bug > in i386/include/globals.h --- the inline assembly macros are missing > the "memory" side effect specification and the code was trying to optimize > global references across subroutine calls! I'll send Luoqi another email. > > In the case of the NFS stuff, the changes have been pretty well tested > so I think we are in the clear. On a somewhat similar note, what do you think about converting a lot of the NFS macros to functions, yes i know it will be difficult, but there is so much forced inlining it just seems like it would reduce the codesize signifigantly and play nicer with the CPU cache. It would also make the code a lot more readable. Worthwhile exercise? -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@rush.net|bright@wintelcom.net] systems administrator and programmer Wintelcom - http://www.wintelcom.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 11:16:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from bubba.whistle.com (bubba.whistle.com [207.76.205.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFE115227 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:16:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id LAA94843; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:14:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199908191814.LAA94843@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: HEADS UP: at_shutdown going away In-Reply-To: <199908190737.AAA04137@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Aug 19, 1999 00:37:20 am" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:14:20 -0700 (PDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith writes: > I will be converting all users of at_shutdown in the kernel to the new > mechanism, but it's of some concern to me that there may be external > code using the old at_shutdown* interfaces that may benefit from a > compatibility interface (which could be done relatively easily). > > Is there significant interest in having this implemented? We (ie, Whistle) has some "external code" that uses at_shutdown but it would be trivial to update it for the new interface, so I say go ahead! This sounds like a good change. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 11:22:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cosrel2.hp.com (cosrel2.hp.com [156.153.255.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E784B14C9F for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:22:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darrylo@sr.hp.com) Received: from postal.sr.hp.com (root@postal.sr.hp.com [15.4.46.173]) by cosrel2.hp.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id MAA25082; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:21:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mina.sr.hp.com (root@mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by postal.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id LAA01227; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (darrylo@mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by mina.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id LAA08673; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908191821.LAA08673@mina.sr.hp.com> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Matthew Dillon , Amancio Hasty Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:50:30 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:21:45 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon wrote: > Finally, when you pipe mkisofs to cdrecord directly it is possible to > fall behind enough that an error may occur. The CD writer needs a > continuous stream. There are two solution to this if it occurs: First, > write at a slower rate (speed=1 or speed=2 rather then the default 4), > or you need to mkisofs to an image file and then cdrecord from the image > file. Another possibility, if you have the RAM, is to use the team(1) program (it's in the ports) to buffer the data as it goes to the burner. You basically put it into the pipeline between mkisofs and cdrecord, and it buffers up to 5MB in memory (default, adjustable). Of course, you've got to have enough RAM to not go into swap during the operation. It's a very nice program, and I've been told that, with enough memory (32-64MB), you can be running X11 and compiling programs while the CD is burning (this is with a 2X burner, though). -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 11:29:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE5E15146; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:29:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA57025; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:29:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:29:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908191829.LAA57025@apollo.backplane.com> To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Eivind Eklund , Peter Wemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NFS HEADS UP (was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/nfs nfsm_subs.h xdr_subs.h) References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> global references across subroutine calls! I'll send Luoqi another email. :> :> In the case of the NFS stuff, the changes have been pretty well tested :> so I think we are in the clear. : :On a somewhat similar note, what do you think about converting a lot :of the NFS macros to functions, yes i know it will be difficult, but :there is so much forced inlining it just seems like it would reduce :the codesize signifigantly and play nicer with the CPU cache. : :It would also make the code a lot more readable. : :Worthwhile exercise? : :-Alfred Perlstein - [bright@rush.net|bright@wintelcom.net] Well, the issue with converting many of the macros to inline functions is with the embedded goto's and references to variables defined outside the macros. Converting them to functions would basically require rewriting a huge chunk of NFS code. This is one of those "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" scenarios, I'm afraid. It would take too long to redo it all (and remember, I'm the guy who usually *likes* rewriting code!). As much as I would like to make NFS more readable, it just isn't worth the effort. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 11:38: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC5614DFD for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:37:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA57058; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:33:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:33:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908191833.LAA57058@apollo.backplane.com> To: Darryl Okahata Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Amancio Hasty Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive References: <199908191821.LAA08673@mina.sr.hp.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : Another possibility, if you have the RAM, is to use the team(1) :program (it's in the ports) to buffer the data as it goes to the burner. :You basically put it into the pipeline between mkisofs and cdrecord, and :it buffers up to 5MB in memory (default, adjustable). Of course, you've :got to have enough RAM to not go into swap during the operation. It's a :very nice program, and I've been told that, with enough memory :(32-64MB), you can be running X11 and compiling programs while the CD is :burning (this is with a 2X burner, though). : :-- : Darryl Okahata : darrylo@sr.hp.com It should be noted that the 'cdrecord' program implements a FIFO itself, and you can specify the size. The default is 2MB. cdrecord uses a shared memory segment and forks so the process buffering the data is made independant of the buffer draining it. Modern CD writers usually have 1-2MB of buffer internally. The newer Yamahas, for example, have 2MB. So right off the bat we have around 4MB. Still, when you are writing at 600KB/sec it is possible to get behind if the filesystem you are building has lots of small files. Apart from writing the mkisofs output to a file, the easiest solution is to tell cdrecord to burn at a slower rate - e.g. 1x or 2x instead of 4x or 6x. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 11:38:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from bubba.whistle.com (bubba.whistle.com [207.76.205.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75711527F; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:38:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id LAA95045; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:37:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199908191837.LAA95045@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: NFS HEADS UP (was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/nfs nfsm_subs.h xdr_subs.h) In-Reply-To: <199908191829.LAA57025@apollo.backplane.com> from Matthew Dillon at "Aug 19, 1999 11:29:31 am" To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com (Matthew Dillon) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Cc: bright@rush.net (Alfred Perlstein), eivind@FreeBSD.ORG (Eivind Eklund), peter@FreeBSD.ORG (Peter Wemm), current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon writes: > :On a somewhat similar note, what do you think about converting a lot > :of the NFS macros to functions, yes i know it will be difficult, but > :there is so much forced inlining it just seems like it would reduce > :the codesize signifigantly and play nicer with the CPU cache. > : > :It would also make the code a lot more readable. > : > :Worthwhile exercise? > : > :-Alfred Perlstein - [bright@rush.net|bright@wintelcom.net] > > Well, the issue with converting many of the macros to inline functions > is with the embedded goto's and references to variables defined outside > the macros. Converting them to functions would basically require > rewriting a huge chunk of NFS code. > > This is one of those "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" scenarios, I'm > afraid. It would take too long to redo it all (and remember, I'm the > guy who usually *likes* rewriting code!). As much as I would like to > make NFS more readable, it just isn't worth the effort. It still might be a "worthwhile exercise", if your goal is simply to increase your understanding of the NFS code. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 11:50: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D531521D for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:49:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22158; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:43:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908191843.LAA22158@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Darryl Okahata , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:33:43 PDT." <199908191833.LAA57058@apollo.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:43:39 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Please Matt "burn" a summary document ... (Gosh I have been burning too many CDs 8) ) -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 11:51:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6526015166 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:51:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A35171C1F; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:51:13 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: arno@heho.snv.jussieu.fr (Arno J. Klaassen) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING and cdda2wav In-reply-to: Your message of "19 Aug 1999 17:22:29 +0200." Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:51:13 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <19990819185113.A35171C1F@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Arno J. Klaassen wrote: > > Hi, > > just a quick note: on a -current of this morning I recompiled the cdrecord > port; kernel compiled with the options: > options P1003_1B > options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING > options _KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L > > launching cdda2wav immediately panics with: > panic: setrunqueue: invalid rtprio type > > outcommenting _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING and _KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L makes > everything work again I think I've fixed this (and a few other things), can you please re-check after updateing to current kernel source please? You need at least rev 1.3 of kern/kern_switch.c. Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 12:18: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E28A214EAF for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:18:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA62499; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:11:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Mike Smith Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: at_shutdown going away In-Reply-To: <199908190737.AAA04137@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG there was external code at TRW but I don't know if it is still in use.. We have uses of it here at whistle too. (that's why I wrote it..) but I guess I can handle them... why the change? If you re-aranged the arguments you'd have EVENTHANDLER_REGISTER == at_shutdown_pri. :-) what are the selectabel (available) event queues? On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > That's right, systems will never shut down. 8) > > Seriously though, I'm in the process of replacing a number of the > ad-hoc event handler callout lists in the kernel (most notably the > at_shutdown and apm* lists) with a generic implementation. > > The upshot of this is that at_shutdown will go away. The old calls: > > at_shutdown(func, arg, queue) > at_shutdown_pri(func, arg, queue, priority) > > will be replaced with > > EVENTHANDLER_REGISTER(queue, func, arg, priority) > > Due to the way the event handler works, this means that event handler > functions which were originally > > void func(int howto, void *arg) > > will become > > void func(void *arg, int howto) > > This is unfortunate but more or less unavoidable. > > I will be converting all users of at_shutdown in the kernel to the new > mechanism, but it's of some concern to me that there may be external > code using the old at_shutdown* interfaces that may benefit from a > compatibility interface (which could be done relatively easily). > > Is there significant interest in having this implemented? > > -- > \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith > \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 12:18:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44AC914F44 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:18:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id VAA20900; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:04:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA79908; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:23:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199908191823.UAA79908@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: patches for tosha? In-Reply-To: <199908191734.KAA21141@rah.star-gate.com> from Amancio Hasty at "Aug 19, 1999 10:34:29 am" To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:23:55 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Amancio Hasty wrote ... > > As Amancio Hasty wrote ... > > > > > > > > > Or does tosha work with CAM? > > > > It does for me... (3.2-stable). To qualify that a bit more: it works on my Toshiba XM-5701TA (surprise..) and also on my Philips CDD-3600 CDRW drive. > I think is that tosha does not know how to read audio tracks with > my Yamaha cd recorder. The Yamaha have a slightly weird > way of reading the audio tracks . I have cdda2wav as > an example on how to read audio tracks on Yamaha CDs. > The only gotcha is that is for linux so I will have to > translate the linux scsi commands to CAM. Maybe a check on the xmcd source code is of interest. It has a number of vendor-unique support files with interesting info. Wilko -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 12:32:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F39A14E5C for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:32:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22484; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:31:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908191931.MAA22484@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: patches for tosha? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:23:55 +0200." <199908191823.UAA79908@yedi.iaf.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:31:06 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I am all set . cdrecord-1.8a22 includes cdda2wav as jack@germanium.xtalwind.net pointed out and it does work with my Yamaha cd recorder . In summary using FreeBSD-current of about two weeks ago , I am now able to : 1. to burn iso 9660 with mkisofs + cdrecord 2. extract CD audio tracks with cdda2wav 3. Burn audio cds with cdrecord . No other external program is necessary to burn the Audio CD. A bit more work is needed to make the creation of CDs on FreeBSD user friendly and the responsibilty for that falls more on the authors of the CD tools. With FreeBSD-current as of this morning, arno@heho.snv.jussieu.fr (Arno J. Klaassen just reported having problems with cdd2wav panicking the system with: launching cdda2wav immediately panics with: panic: setrunqueue: invalid rtprio type Cheers > As Amancio Hasty wrote ... > > > As Amancio Hasty wrote ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Or does tosha work with CAM? > > > > > > It does for me... (3.2-stable). > > To qualify that a bit more: it works on my Toshiba XM-5701TA > (surprise..) and also on my Philips CDD-3600 CDRW drive. > > > I think is that tosha does not know how to read audio tracks with > > my Yamaha cd recorder. The Yamaha have a slightly weird > > way of reading the audio tracks . I have cdda2wav as > > an example on how to read audio tracks on Yamaha CDs. > > The only gotcha is that is for linux so I will have to > > translate the linux scsi commands to CAM. > > Maybe a check on the xmcd source code is of interest. It has a number > of vendor-unique support files with interesting info. > > Wilko > -- > | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 12:43:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA8915144 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:43:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07580; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:36:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908191936.MAA07580@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Thomas Stromberg Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Kernel Panic at boot with -CURRENT (last 2-3 days) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:53:49 EDT." <37BC369D.EB996B5F@rtci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:36:54 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This appears to be due to our PnP BIOS invocation not being sufficiently bug-compatible with some BIOSsen. I'm going to need to do some more work on this, and if you have time I'd like to get you involved in the testing process. Meanwhile I'll be disabling the PnP BIOS scan which should get you back on the rails. > Boot Sequence: > -------------- > If you want to see dmesg.boot from the 4.0-19990806-CURRENT snapshot, > it's at http://haloblack.org/misc/dmesg.boot > > FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #0: thu Aug 19 12:44:12 EDT 1999 > saoshyant@asho.zarathushtra.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC+DDB > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz > CPU: Pentium III (498.67-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "Genuine Intel" Id = 0x672 Stepping = 2 > Features = blah blah blah > real memory = 100663296 (98304K bytes) > config> di lnc0 > config> di le0 > .. > .. > config> q > avail memory = 93708288 (91512K bytes) > > > Fatal trap 9: general protection fault while in kernel mode > instruction pointer = 0x58:0xbc28 > stack pointer = 0x10:0xed4 > frame pointer = 0x10:0xf20 > code segment = base 0xc00f0000, limit 0xffff, type 0x1b > = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 0, gran 0 > processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 > current process = Idle > interrupt mask = net tty bio cam > kernel: type 9 trap, code=0 > Stopped at 0xbc28: > > > > > > -- > Med vanlig halsingar, > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > thomas stromberg [TRS40/SM0VVW] : smtp(thomas@stromberg.org) > systems guru / asst. is manager : http(www.afterthought.org) > research triangle consultants, inc : pots(919.380.9771 x3210) > http://www.rtci.com : fax(919.380.1727) > FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! : icq(17468041) > BeOS Developer ID: 18330 : efnet(Mithra) > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > : "if you do nothing enough, something's bound to happen.." : > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 12:55:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gungnir.fnal.gov (gungnir.fnal.gov [131.225.80.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839A115A45 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:55:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crawdad@gungnir.fnal.gov) Received: from gungnir.fnal.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gungnir.fnal.gov (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA16335; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:55:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908191955.OAA16335@gungnir.fnal.gov> To: Mike Nowlin Cc: Maxim Sobolev , current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Matt Crawford" Subject: Re: Strange notebook boot misbehaviour. In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:31:28 EDT. Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:55:15 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On the Sony 505 mailing list, this was noted and said to be due to Windows leaving the ethernet chip in some APM-related suspended state. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 13: 3:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE3C152CF for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:03:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07723; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:56:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908191956.MAA07723@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Julian Elischer Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: at_shutdown going away In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:11:49 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:56:56 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > there was external code at TRW but I don't know if it is still in use.. > > We have uses of it here at whistle too. (that's why I wrote it..) > but I guess I can handle them... > > why the change? > If you re-aranged the arguments you'd have EVENTHANDLER_REGISTER == > at_shutdown_pri. It has to do with the way that I deal with arbitrary arguments to the called-out functions, in order to save all the crap that the caller might have to perform with constructing an argument structure and then passing a pointer to it. It's easier to explain like this (backslashes elided): #define EVENTHANDLER_DECLARE(name, type) struct eventhandler_entry_ ## name { struct eventhandler_entry ee; type eh_func; }; #define EVENTHANDLER_INVOKE(name, args...) { struct eventhandler_list *el; struct eventhandler_entry *ep; if ((el = eventhandler_find_list(#name)) != NULL) { for (ep = TAILQ_FIRST(&(el->el_entries)); ep != NULL; ep = TAILQ_NEXT(ep, ee_link)) { ((struct eventhandler_entry_ ## name *)ep)-> eh_func(ep->ee_arg , ## args); } } } ie. the called-out function isn't forced to be of any particular type other than that it can't return anything and it's first argument must be void *. Unfortunately, the way that macro varargs works makes it hard to put the variable arguments _first_ (and I wouldn't want to do that since it would make calling out to a real varargs function impossible). > what are the selectabel (available) event queues? That's one of the nicer features of this mechanism; you can create them more or less on the fly. There are actually two implementations; one optimised for speed which requires the queue to be present in the linked objects (effectively it does the name->list translation using the linker), the other optimised for convenience which just requires the queue to be defined somewhere in a shared header (to get the queue entry type into scope). This latter mechanism means that eg. I can say EVENTHANDLER_REGISTER(pwrmgmt_suspend, foosuspend, foo_softc, 0) from within a driver, even if the code that's going to invoke this handler hasn't been loaded yet. By tying events to named queues rather than to implementations, it helps soften the boundaries - in this example the caller that eventually invokes the pwrmgmt_suspend handlers will initially be APM, but it may later be ACPI, or something totally different on eg. the Alpha, or an OpenFirmware system. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 14: 9:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0508314EC0; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:09:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spud@i.am) Received: from Tomer.Home.Org (RAS10-p27.hfa.netvision.net.il [62.0.150.155]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA17410; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:08:00 +0300 (IDT) From: Tomer Weller To: questions@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Weird X problem Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:06:18 +0300 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99082000075900.50541@Tomer.Home.Org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG very weird X problem, I can only load an X server if I have a ppp connection upi and running... Xfree86 3.4, -CURRENT(made world today) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 15: 8: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from isbalham.ist.co.uk (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E2A14E4E for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:07:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from gid.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by isbalham.ist.co.uk (8.9.2/8.8.7) with UUCP id XAA33619; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:07:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from [194.32.164.2] by seagoon.gid.co.uk; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:55:22 +0100 (BST) X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199908191734.KAA21141@rah.star-gate.com> References: Your message of "Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:20:51 +0200." <199908191020.MAA60526@yedi.iaf.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:55:21 +0000 To: Amancio Hasty From: Bob Bishop Subject: Re: patches for tosha? Cc: Wilko Bulte , Freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:34 am -0700 19/8/99, Amancio Hasty wrote: >> As Amancio Hasty wrote ... >> > >> > >> > Or does tosha work with CAM? >> >> It does for me... (3.2-stable). >> > >Hi, > >I think is that tosha does not know how to read audio tracks with >my Yamaha cd recorder. The Yamaha have a slightly weird >way of reading the audio tracks[etc] tosha works here on a Yamaha and -current; but I did find that you need one more (or less) byteswap than the various documentation would lead me to believe. I'm not sure which doc is wrong though... -- Bob Bishop (0118) 977 4017 international code +44 118 rb@gid.co.uk fax (0118) 989 4254 between 0800 and 1800 UK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 16:33: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B5514BD8 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:33:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA25392; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:02:10 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id JAA61238; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:02:08 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:02:08 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Maxim Sobolev , Matt Crawford Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Nowlin Subject: Re: Strange notebook boot misbehaviour. Message-ID: <19990820090207.D14964@freebie.lemis.com> References: <199908191955.OAA16335@gungnir.fnal.gov> <37BC15F4.9ABEFC48@altavista.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37BC15F4.9ABEFC48@altavista.net>; from Maxim Sobolev on Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 05:34:28PM +0300 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 19 August 1999 at 17:34:28 +0300, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a notebook (toshiba satellite pro 445) with WinNT and FreeBSD > installed and discovered that when I'm booting FreeBSD directly from > power-down state or rebooting after FreeBSD then it boots ok, but when I > doing reboot from NT it hangs just before mounting / (probably "hang" > is not quite correct term because it still responds to ctrl-alt-del). > Any ideas of where I should look? Following is my dmesg (with hang point > highlited): > > [snip] > > acd0: Medium: CD-ROM 120mm data disc loaded, unlocked > changing root device to wd0s1a > Card inserted, slot 1 > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - Hangs after this message!!! On Thursday, 19 August 1999 at 14:55:15 -0500, Matt Crawford wrote: > On the Sony 505 mailing list, this was noted and said to be due to > Windows leaving the ethernet chip in some APM-related suspended > state. Interesting. I see similar behaviour. It also happens in the opposite direction: if I reboot from FreeBSD and select Microsoft, Microsoft hangs during boot. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 18:40:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (freja.webgiro.com [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEAB31518D for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:40:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B15551912; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 03:40:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6DC49D3 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 03:40:52 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 03:40:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: "The Matrix" screensaver Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, This is my poor attempt at reproducing the screens on the movie... Sure, there is much room for improvement, and the whole thing would look cool in VESA, if someone has more spare time... http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/matrix.tgz Unpack it in /sys/modules/syscons. Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 19:20:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA3915232; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:20:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA21492; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 03:28:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 03:28:06 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cc -O broken in -current for Alpha KLDs In-Reply-To: <14268.1961.256187.86499@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > I do most of my development on alphas & I just turned some local code > into a loadable kernel module. It works fine when compiled into the > kernel statically, but fails miserably when loaded into an alpha > kernel as a module. This alpha is running -current from monday or > so. > > After a day or so of debugging, I decided to run > it on an x86 -- it ran just fine. I've narrowed the problem down to > one involving optimization and have extracted a simple, reproducable > test case. > > When the test module is loaded without optimization (CFLAGS += -g > -O0), it prints the following (which is correct): It looks like we aren't handling the relocations correctly. When I get a chance, I will try to look at it. If you want to have another look, the code at fault is probably in alpha/alpha/elf_machdep.c and you can get a list of relocations in the module with 'objdump --dynamic-reloc foo.ko'. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Thu Aug 19 22:50:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E6F1528A; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:50:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mmuir@es.co.nz) Received: from es.co.nz (p37-max6.dun.ihug.co.nz [209.77.130.101]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28826; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:49:22 +1200 Message-ID: <37BCEC5F.7D7EF0BD@es.co.nz> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:49:19 +1200 From: Mike Muir X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tomer Weller Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Weird X problem References: <99082000075900.50541@Tomer.Home.Org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tomer Weller wrote: > > very weird X problem, I can only load an X server if I have a ppp connection > upi and running... > > Xfree86 3.4, -CURRENT(made world today) You might want to check your resolv.conf, having an ip that you cant access in there could be causing some things to load extremely slowly as they have to wait for a query to timeout or something - running ppp obviously lets you access your ISP's name server providing you have resolv.conf setup for that ip - you could always run your own caching only name server for that and chuck the boxes own ip into resolv.conf. Mebe upgrading /etc to be inline with -CURRENT you overwrote a few name resolution related files.. mike. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 1:20:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105A1150C8 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:19:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11HjtG-0005h4-00 for current@freebsd.org; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:19:10 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: current@freebsd.org Subject: REQ: Test /etc/rc clean-up Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:19:10 +0200 Message-ID: <21889.935137150@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi folks, I have a diff for src/etc/rc that I'd like to have had used on a few machines before I commit it. I'm pretty sure I haven't made any mistakes with my changes, but you can never be too careful, right? The diff homogenizes the manner in which variables are tested and is more careful about using variables in a manner that avoids potential problems that are unlikely to occur. I see it as a mostly cosmetic, but healthy change. Ciao, Sheldon. Index: rc =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/etc/rc,v retrieving revision 1.193 diff -u -d -r1.193 rc --- rc 1999/08/06 06:22:43 1.193 +++ rc 1999/08/17 15:36:04 @@ -45,15 +45,15 @@ ccdconfig -C fi -if [ X$start_vinum = XYES ]; then +if [ X"${start_vinum}" = X"YES" ]; then vinum start -elif [ -n "$vinum_drives" ]; then - vinum read $vinum_drives +elif [ -n "${vinum_drives}" ]; then + vinum read ${vinum_drives} fi swapon -a -if [ $1x = autobootx ]; then +if [ X"$1" = X"autoboot" ]; then echo Automatic reboot in progress... fsck -p case $? in @@ -95,7 +95,7 @@ # diskless boot it does not have to be. # -if [ "X$root_rw_mount" != "XNO" ]; then +if [ X"${root_rw_mount}" != X"NO" ]; then mount -u -o rw / fi @@ -106,7 +106,7 @@ umount -a >/dev/null 2>&1 -if [ "X$early_nfs_mounts" != "XYES" ]; then +if [ X"${early_nfs_mounts}" != X"YES" ]; then mount -a -t nonfs else mount -a @@ -119,9 +119,9 @@ # Run custom disk mounting function here # -if [ "X$diskless_mount" != "X" ]; then - if [ -f $diskless_mount ]; then - sh $diskless_mount +if [ X"${diskless_mount}" != X"" ]; then + if [ -f ${diskless_mount} ]; then + sh ${diskless_mount} fi fi @@ -148,9 +148,9 @@ fi # Add additional swapfile, if configured. -if [ "x$swapfile" != "xNO" -a -w "$swapfile" -a -b /dev/vn0b ]; then - echo "Adding $swapfile as additional swap." - vnconfig /dev/vn0b $swapfile && swapon /dev/vn0b +if [ X"${swapfile}" != X"NO" -a -w "${swapfile}" -a -b /dev/vn0b ]; then + echo "Adding ${swapfile} as additional swap." + vnconfig /dev/vn0b ${swapfile} && swapon /dev/vn0b fi # set sysctl variables early as we can @@ -195,7 +195,7 @@ # # See also the example of another cleanup policy in /etc/periodic/daily. # -if [ "X${clear_tmp_enable}" = X"YES" ]; then +if [ X"${clear_tmp_enable}" = X"YES" ]; then echo clearing /tmp # prune quickly with one rm, then use find to clean up /tmp/[lq]* @@ -217,7 +217,7 @@ # start system logging and name service (named needs to start before syslogd # if you don't have a /etc/resolv.conf) # -if [ "X${syslogd_enable}" = X"YES" ]; then +if [ X"${syslogd_enable}" = X"YES" ]; then # Transitional symlink (for the next couple of years :) until all # binaries had a chance to move towards /var/run/log. if [ ! -h /dev/log ] ; then @@ -233,21 +233,21 @@ # enable dumpdev so that savecore can see it # /var/crash should be a directory or a symbolic link # to the crash directory if core dumps are to be saved. -if [ "X${dumpdev}" != X"NO" -a -e ${dumpdev} -a -d /var/crash ]; then +if [ X"${dumpdev}" != X"NO" -a -e ${dumpdev} -a -d /var/crash ]; then dumpon ${dumpdev} echo -n checking for core dump... savecore /var/crash fi -if [ -n "$network_pass1_done" ]; then +if [ -n "${network_pass1_done}" ]; then network_pass2 fi # Enable/Check the quotas (must be after ypbind if using NIS) -if [ "X${enable_quotas}" = X"YES" ]; then +if [ X"${enable_quotas}" = X"YES" ]; then # Only check quotas if they have been previously enabled, and requested - if [ "X${check_quotas}" = X"YES" ]; then + if [ X"${check_quotas}" = X"YES" ]; then echo -n 'checking quotas:' quotacheck -a echo ' done.' @@ -258,7 +258,7 @@ echo ' done.' fi -if [ -n "$network_pass2_done" ]; then +if [ -n "${network_pass2_done}" ]; then network_pass3 fi @@ -274,7 +274,7 @@ "password file may be incorrect -- /etc/ptmp exists" fi -if [ "X${accounting_enable}" = X"YES" -a -d /var/account ]; then +if [ X"${accounting_enable}" = X"YES" -a -d /var/account ]; then echo 'turning on accounting' if [ ! -e /var/account/acct ]; then touch /var/account/acct @@ -287,7 +287,7 @@ if [ -x /sbin/ldconfig ]; then if [ X"`/usr/bin/objformat`" = X"elf" ]; then _LDC=/usr/lib - for i in $ldconfig_paths; do + for i in ${ldconfig_paths}; do if test -d $i; then _LDC="${_LDC} $i" fi @@ -301,7 +301,7 @@ # Default the a.out ldconfig path. : ${ldconfig_paths_aout=${ldconfig_paths}} _LDC=/usr/lib/aout - for i in $ldconfig_paths_aout; do + for i in ${ldconfig_paths_aout}; do if test -d $i; then _LDC="${_LDC} $i" fi @@ -314,23 +314,23 @@ # Now start up miscellaneous daemons that don't belong anywhere else # echo -n starting standard daemons: -if [ "X${inetd_enable}" != X"NO" ]; then +if [ X"${inetd_enable}" != X"NO" ]; then echo -n ' inetd'; inetd ${inetd_flags} fi -if [ "X${cron_enable}" != X"NO" ]; then +if [ X"${cron_enable}" != X"NO" ]; then echo -n ' cron'; cron fi -if [ "X${lpd_enable}" = X"YES" ]; then +if [ X"${lpd_enable}" = X"YES" ]; then echo -n ' printer'; ${lpd_program} ${lpd_flags} fi -if [ "X${sendmail_enable}" = X"YES" -a -r /etc/sendmail.cf ]; then +if [ X"${sendmail_enable}" = X"YES" -a -r /etc/sendmail.cf ]; then echo -n ' sendmail'; /usr/sbin/sendmail ${sendmail_flags} fi -if [ "X${usbd_enable}" = X"YES" ]; then +if [ X"${usbd_enable}" = X"YES" ]; then echo -n ' usbd'; /usr/sbin/usbd ${usbd_flags} fi @@ -344,9 +344,9 @@ # Recover vi editor files. vibackup=`echo /var/tmp/vi.recover/vi.*` -if [ "$vibackup" != '/var/tmp/vi.recover/vi.*' ]; then +if [ X"${vibackup}" != X'/var/tmp/vi.recover/vi.*' ]; then echo 'Recovering vi editor sessions' - for i in $vibackup; do + for i in ${vibackup}; do # Only test files that are readable. if test ! -r $i; then continue @@ -362,8 +362,8 @@ # It is possible to get incomplete recovery files, if the editor # crashes at the right time. virecovery=`echo /var/tmp/vi.recover/recover.*` - if [ "$virecovery" != "/var/tmp/vi.recover/recover.*" ]; then - for i in $virecovery; do + if [ "${virecovery}" != '/var/tmp/vi.recover/recover.*' ]; then + for i in ${virecovery}; do # Only test files that are readable. if test ! -r $i; then continue @@ -373,7 +373,7 @@ # corrupted, or that have no corresponding backup file. # Else send mail to the user. recfile=`awk '/^X-vi-recover-path:/{print $2}' < $i` - if test -n "$recfile" -a -s "$recfile"; then + if test -n "${recfile}" -a -s "${recfile}"; then sendmail -t < $i else rm -f $i @@ -388,7 +388,7 @@ fi # for each valid dir in $local_startup, search for init scripts matching *.sh -if [ "X${local_startup}" != X"NO" ]; then +if [ X"${local_startup}" != X"NO" ]; then echo -n 'Local package initialization:' for dir in ${local_startup}; do [ -d ${dir} ] && for script in ${dir}/*.sh; do @@ -437,7 +437,7 @@ # Raise kernel security level. This should be done only after `fsck' has # repaired local file systems if you want the securelevel to be greater than 1. -if [ "X${kern_securelevel_enable}" = X"YES" -a "${kern_securelevel}" -ge 0 ]; +if [ X"${kern_securelevel_enable}" = X"YES" -a "${kern_securelevel}" -ge 0 ]; then echo 'Raising kernel security level' sysctl -w kern.securelevel=${kern_securelevel} To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 2:13:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ns.skylink.it (ns.skylink.it [194.177.113.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C28415A1D for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:13:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from n_hibma@skylink.it) Received: from heidi.plazza.it (va-163.skylink.it [194.185.55.163]) by ns.skylink.it (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02839; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:13:07 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heidi.plazza.it (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08968; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:06:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:06:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@heidi.plazza.it Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What a ridiculous idea! I love it! Nick > Hi, > > This is my poor attempt at reproducing the screens on the movie... Sure, > there is much room for improvement, and the whole thing would look cool in > VESA, if someone has more spare time... > > http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/matrix.tgz > > Unpack it in /sys/modules/syscons. > > Andrzej Bialecki > > // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) > // ------------------------------------------------------------------- > // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- > // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > -- e-Mail: hibma@skylink.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 2:37:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC2814BF1 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:37:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA27602 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:37:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908200937.CAA27602@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: How To Burn CDs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:37:33 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a summary of the information that I gather over the last = few days with respect to CD recorders. It appears that the preferred and better supported CD recorders are scsi . To shorten the gap what is needed is for ATAPI cd recorders to be integrated into CAM so that we may present a unified interface to both ATAPI and SCSI CD drives. Post on -hackers if you are = interested in working on such a project. The rest of this document will deal with scsi cd recorders. Software Tools : cdrecord is used to burn the CDs . cdrecord http home: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/priva= te/cdr ecord.htm cdrecord supports CD-R, CD-RW and Audio CD (Red Book) formants. cdda2wav which is now bundled with cdrecord can extract audio CD tracks. cdrecord is part of the ports/sysutils collection. tosha is another scsi tool to extract CD audio tracks and it is in the ports/audio directory . tosha is native program to = FreeBSD. tosha was written by Oliver Fromme = cdd another native freebsd program to extract CD audio tracks was written by Charles Henrich and is = part of the ports/audio collection. mkisofs is used to create an iso 9660 cd image. It is located = in the ports/sysutils collection If one of the audio "rippers" does not work report the problem after first making sure that the program does indeed support your CD disk unit and then just try another one. For a list of "reported to work" drives that work with cdrecord + cdd2wav= see: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/priva= te/cdw riters-1.8.html External vs. Internal I find that my YAMAHA CRW6416sz scsi cd = recorder runs rather cool . Some members on the list have reported that at least early models of their CD-Recorders run hot so they preferre= d to have them external due to the heat problem and/or portability . A little bit on cdrecord. To determine which scsi recorder is installed in your system issue: cdrecorder -scanbus Cdrecord release 1.8a22 Copyright (C) 1995-1999 J=F6rg Schilling scsibus0: 0) 'SEAGATE ' 'ST34501W ' '0017' Disk 1) 'YAMAHA ' 'CRW6416S ' '1.0b' Removable CD-RO= M 2) * 3) 'SEAGATE ' 'ST15150W ' '0023' Disk 4) * 5) * 6) * 7) * scsibus1: 100) * 101) * 102) * 103) * 104) * 105) 'UMAX ' 'UMAX S-12 ' 'V2.0' Scanner 106) * 107) * So my Yamaha CD recorder is scsi bus 0 , scsi address 1, lun 0. I recommend sticking this information in /etc/default/record cat /etc/default/cdrecord = CDR_DEVICE=3D1,0 What this means is that every time that cdrecord runs it = gets is device info from /etc/default/cdrecord . If you feel somehow compel to always specify the scsi device in cdrecord, the syntax is: -dev=3Dbus,scsi address, lun or -dev=3Dscsi address, lun in my case is: -dev=3D1,0 (the default scsi bus is 0) I recommend for the first few times to use a CD-RW. They = are more expensive than CD-R;however, for playing for the first time with your scsi cd recorder they can actually probably save you a lot of money. Now that you have all your hardware and software in place what can you do= 8) To create an iso cd9660 with a CD-RW: mkisofs -R /mount/dir | cdrecord -blank=3Dfast -v fs=3D6m speed=3D3 - mkisofs pipes an ISO 9660 cd image to cdrecord. cdrecord does the actual cd burning: -blank=3Dfast first it does a quick blank -v verbose mode so you can see what is doing fs=3D6m forks a process and uses a 6MB buffer = speed=3D3 usually CD-RW can only be burned = as fast as 4X you will have to experiment with your cd recorder to see what speed works best. Take a break pending upon the size of the image the process can take 1/2 hour to just a few minutes so kick back and relax. Here is session for creating audio cds. mkdir cdtracks cd cdtracks cddwa2wav -B This command generates tracks in the format of: audio_nn.wav where nn is a track number . audio in .wav format audio_nn.inf where nn is a track number . pregap info = cdrecord -blank=3Dfast -audio -useinfo audio*.wav -blank=3Dfast blanks your CD-RW for CD-R don't include this command -audio sets audio cd recording -useinfo use the pregap info generated by cdd2wav = *.inf files Issues: In the list there was an exchange of using the tool team for = buffering vs cdrecord's own buffering scheme: "Another possibility, if you have the RAM, is to use the team(1) program (it's in the ports) to buffer the data as it goes to the burner. You basically put it into the pipeline between mkisofs and cdrecord, and it buffers up to 5MB in memory (default, adjustable). Of course, you've got to have enough RAM to not go into swap during the operation. It's a = very nice program, and I've been told that, with enough memory (32-64MB), you can be running X11 and compiling programs while the CD is = burning (this is with a 2X burner, though)." "It should be noted that the 'cdrecord' program implements a FIFO its= elf, and you can specify the size. The default is 2MB. cdrecord uses a shared memory segment and forks so the process buffering the data is made independant of the buffer draining it. Modern CD writers usually have 1-2MB of buffer internally. The newer= Yamahas, for example, have 2MB. So right off the bat we have around 4MB. Still, when you are writing= at 600KB/sec it is possible to get behind if the filesystem you are buil= ding has lots of small files. Apart from writing the mkisofs output to a = file, the easiest solution is to tell cdrecord to burn at a slower rate - e= =2Eg. 1x or 2x instead of 4x or 6x. Possible Problem and we need clarification And to head off another question: When you are recording to a CD-RW you can do a 'quick erase' of the media using 'cdrecord blank=3Dfast'. This does not actually erase the data, so if you have used say 100MB you will only have 550MB left. You can actually erase the media using 'cdrecord blank=3Dall', which takes a while. = In my experience, this is not true. I have used blank=3Dfast on a CDRW= that has over 500 MB written, and then written another 500 MB without a problem. I have the same experience. Maybe someone into the physics of the media= can explain what the pros-cons are as far as the media itself is concer= ned? Hardware : = Yamaha CRW6416sz scsi 2 internal cd recorder I bought the Yamaha CRW6416sz scsi 2 iternal because it is = somewhat cheap and reliable . You can buy one at CompUSA for $300. Reported scsi CD recorders which work and by no means this list is not exhaustive rather is nice to know from a FreeBSD user that it works on their boxes. 1. JKH swears by his Smart and Friendly Rocket Recorder scsi cd recorder 8) Honest is probably a good drive because JKH burns = quite a few CDs. 2. Plextor scsi recorders 4x and 8x good recommendation from the list. 3. Philips CDD-3600 CDRW drive 4. Yamaha 4416 scsi recorder known to work on FreeBSD, Linux, SCO, = HP/UX, and NT 5. Yamaha 6416sz scsi cd recorder. Hidetoshi Shimokawa reported: I bought DVD-RAM drive for $400. 5.2GB(double side) media is around $35, you can use them as 2.3GB x 2 disks. Enabling raw-write in scsi_cd.c, you can newfs/mount DVD-RAM as UFS. Write speed is around 500KB/s, and read speed is around 1.4MB/s. Now this sounds like a very nice scsi cd recorder . Further input on DVD-RAM is welcome . = -- = Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 2:55:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.68.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CBA14BF1 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:55:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Received: from vega. (dialup3-43.iptelecom.net.ua [212.42.74.171]) by ipt2.iptelecom.net.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26266; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:53:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from altavista.net (big_brother [192.168.1.1]) by vega. (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA99902; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:52:24 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from sobomax@altavista.net) Message-ID: <37BD2557.EE942022@altavista.net> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:52:23 +0300 From: Maxim Sobolev Reply-To: sobomax@altavista.net Organization: Vega International Capital X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: ru,uk,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Matt Crawford , current@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Nowlin Subject: Re: Strange notebook boot misbehaviour. References: <199908191955.OAA16335@gungnir.fnal.gov> <37BC15F4.9ABEFC48@altavista.net> <19990820090207.D14964@freebie.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thursday, 19 August 1999 at 17:34:28 +0300, Maxim Sobolev wrote: > > > > I have a notebook (toshiba satellite pro 445) with WinNT and FreeBSD > > installed and discovered that when I'm booting FreeBSD directly from > > power-down state or rebooting after FreeBSD then it boots ok, but when I > > doing reboot from NT it hangs just before mounting / (probably "hang" > > is not quite correct term because it still responds to ctrl-alt-del). > > Any ideas of where I should look? Following is my dmesg (with hang point > > highlited): > > > > [snip] > > > > acd0: Medium: CD-ROM 120mm data disc loaded, unlocked > > changing root device to wd0s1a > > Card inserted, slot 1 > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - Hangs after this message!!! > > On Thursday, 19 August 1999 at 14:55:15 -0500, Matt Crawford wrote: > > On the Sony 505 mailing list, this was noted and said to be due to > > Windows leaving the ethernet chip in some APM-related suspended > > state. > > Interesting. I see similar behaviour. It also happens in the > opposite direction: if I reboot from FreeBSD and select Microsoft, > Microsoft hangs during boot. Well, nice to hear that I'm not alone ;). But anyway does anyone have ideas on how track this down? -Max -- "We believe in the Power and the Might!" (Manowar, 1996) ---------------------------------------- Maxim V. Sobolev, Financial Analyst, Vega International Capital Phone: +380-(44)-246-6396 Fax: +380-(44)-220-8715 E-mail: sobomax@altavista.net ICQ: #42290709 ---------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 4: 6:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from btp1da.phy.uni-bayreuth.de (btp1da.phy.uni-bayreuth.de [132.180.20.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF03B14CF0 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 04:05:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from werner@btp1da.phy.uni-bayreuth.de) Received: (from werner@localhost) by btp1da.phy.uni-bayreuth.de (8.8.8/8.7.3) id NAA11571; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:04:47 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199908200937.CAA27602@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:04:47 +0200 (MEST) Organization: University of Bayreuth From: Werner Griessl To: Amancio Hasty Subject: RE: How To Burn CDs Cc: Freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 20-Aug-99 Amancio Hasty wrote: > This is a summary of the information that I gather over the last > few days with respect to CD recorders. > > > It appears that the preferred and better supported CD recorders are > scsi . To shorten the gap what is needed is for ATAPI cd recorders > to be integrated into CAM so that we may present a unified interface > to both ATAPI and SCSI CD drives. Post on -hackers if you are > interested in working on such a project. > > > > The rest of this document will deal with scsi cd recorders. > > > Software Tools : > > cdrecord is used to burn the CDs . cdrecord http home: > http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private/cd > r > ecord.htm > > cdrecord supports CD-R, CD-RW and Audio CD (Red Book) formants. > > cdda2wav which is now bundled with cdrecord can extract audio CD tracks. > > cdrecord is part of the ports/sysutils collection. > > > tosha is another scsi tool to extract CD audio tracks and it is > in the ports/audio directory . tosha is native program to > FreeBSD. tosha was written by Oliver Fromme > > > cdd another native freebsd program to extract CD audio tracks was > written by Charles Henrich and is > part of the ports/audio collection. > > mkisofs is used to create an iso 9660 cd image. It is located > in the ports/sysutils collection > > > If one of the audio "rippers" does not work report the problem after > first making sure that the program does indeed support your > CD disk unit and then just try another one. > > > For a list of "reported to work" drives that work with cdrecord + cdd2wav > see: > http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private/cd > w > riters-1.8.html > > External vs. Internal I find that my YAMAHA CRW6416sz scsi cd > recorder runs rather cool . Some members on the list have reported > that at least early models of their CD-Recorders run hot so they preferred > to have them external due to the heat problem and/or portability . > > > > A little bit on cdrecord. > > To determine which scsi recorder is installed in your system issue: > > cdrecorder -scanbus > > Cdrecord release 1.8a22 Copyright (C) 1995-1999 Jörg Schilling > scsibus0: > 0) 'SEAGATE ' 'ST34501W ' '0017' Disk > 1) 'YAMAHA ' 'CRW6416S ' '1.0b' Removable CD-ROM > 2) * > 3) 'SEAGATE ' 'ST15150W ' '0023' Disk > 4) * > 5) * > 6) * > 7) * > scsibus1: > 100) * > 101) * > 102) * > 103) * > 104) * > 105) 'UMAX ' 'UMAX S-12 ' 'V2.0' Scanner > 106) * > 107) * > > So my Yamaha CD recorder is scsi bus 0 , scsi address 1, lun 0. > > I recommend sticking this information in /etc/default/record > cat /etc/default/cdrecord > CDR_DEVICE=1,0 > > What this means is that every time that cdrecord runs it > gets is device info from /etc/default/cdrecord . > > If you feel somehow compel to always specify the scsi device in > cdrecord, the syntax is: -dev=bus,scsi address, lun or > -dev=scsi address, lun > > in my case is: > > -dev=1,0 (the default scsi bus is 0) > > > > > I recommend for the first few times to use a CD-RW. They > are more expensive than CD-R;however, for playing for the first > time with your scsi cd recorder they can actually probably > save you a lot of money. > > > > Now that you have all your hardware and software in place what can you do 8) > > To create an iso cd9660 with a CD-RW: > mkisofs -R /mount/dir | cdrecord -blank=fast -v fs=6m speed=3 - > > mkisofs pipes an ISO 9660 cd image to cdrecord. > > cdrecord does the actual cd burning: > -blank=fast first it does a quick blank > -v verbose mode so you can see what is doing > fs=6m forks a process and uses a 6MB buffer > speed=3 usually CD-RW can only be burned > as fast as 4X you will have to experiment > with your cd recorder to see what speed > works best. > > Take a break pending upon the size of the image the process > can take 1/2 hour to just a few minutes so kick back and relax. > > > Here is session for creating audio cds. > > mkdir cdtracks > cd cdtracks > > cddwa2wav -B > > This command generates tracks in the format of: > audio_nn.wav where nn is a track number . audio in .wav format > audio_nn.inf where nn is a track number . pregap info > > > > cdrecord -blank=fast -audio -useinfo audio*.wav > > -blank=fast blanks your CD-RW for CD-R don't include > this command > -audio sets audio cd recording > -useinfo use the pregap info generated by cdd2wav > *.inf files > > Issues: > > In the list there was an exchange of using the tool team for > buffering vs cdrecord's own buffering scheme: > > "Another possibility, if you have the RAM, is to use the team(1) > program (it's in the ports) to buffer the data as it goes to the burner. > You basically put it into the pipeline between mkisofs and cdrecord, and > it buffers up to 5MB in memory (default, adjustable). Of course, you've > got to have enough RAM to not go into swap during the operation. It's a > very nice program, and I've been told that, with enough memory > (32-64MB), you can be running X11 and compiling programs while the CD is > burning (this is with a 2X burner, though)." > > "It should be noted that the 'cdrecord' program implements a FIFO itself, > and you can specify the size. The default is 2MB. cdrecord uses a > shared memory segment and forks so the process buffering the data is > made independant of the buffer draining it. > > Modern CD writers usually have 1-2MB of buffer internally. The newer > Yamahas, for example, have 2MB. > > So right off the bat we have around 4MB. Still, when you are writing at > 600KB/sec it is possible to get behind if the filesystem you are building > has lots of small files. Apart from writing the mkisofs output to a > file, > the easiest solution is to tell cdrecord to burn at a slower rate - e.g. > 1x or 2x instead of 4x or 6x. > > Possible Problem and we need clarification > > And to head off another question: When you are recording to a CD-RW > you can do a 'quick erase' of the media using 'cdrecord blank=fast'. > This does not actually erase the data, so if you have used say 100MB > you will only have 550MB left. You can actually erase the media using > 'cdrecord blank=all', which takes a while. > > In my experience, this is not true. I have used blank=fast on a CDRW > that has over 500 MB written, and then written another 500 MB without > a problem. > > I have the same experience. Maybe someone into the physics of the media > can explain what the pros-cons are as far as the media itself is concerned? > > > Hardware : > > Yamaha CRW6416sz scsi 2 internal cd recorder > > I bought the Yamaha CRW6416sz scsi 2 iternal because it is > somewhat cheap and reliable . You can buy one at CompUSA for > $300. > > Reported scsi CD recorders which work and by no means this > list is not exhaustive rather is nice to know from a FreeBSD user > that it works on their boxes. > > 1. JKH swears by his Smart and Friendly Rocket Recorder > scsi cd recorder 8) > Honest is probably a good drive because JKH burns > quite a few CDs. > > 2. Plextor scsi recorders 4x and 8x good recommendation from > the list. > > 3. Philips CDD-3600 CDRW drive > > 4. Yamaha 4416 scsi recorder known to work on FreeBSD, Linux, SCO, > HP/UX, and NT > > 5. Yamaha 6416sz scsi cd recorder. > > Hidetoshi Shimokawa reported: > I bought DVD-RAM drive for $400. > 5.2GB(double side) media is around $35, you can use them as 2.3GB x 2 > disks. > > Enabling raw-write in scsi_cd.c, you can newfs/mount DVD-RAM as UFS. > Write speed is around 500KB/s, and read speed is around 1.4MB/s. > > Now this sounds like a very nice scsi cd recorder . > > Further input on DVD-RAM is welcome . > > > > -- > > Amancio Hasty > hasty@rah.star-gate.com > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message ---------------------------------- Don't forget cdrdao, it's able to read and burn "video(cdi)"-cd's. Successfully done here with a philips cdr2600 burner for a philips cdi player. It's also in ports. Werner ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 4: 8:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from karga.eelab.itu.edu.tr (kuzgun.eelab.itu.edu.tr [160.75.29.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63AB814C1E for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 04:08:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mete@karga.eelab.itu.edu.tr) Received: from localhost (mete@localhost) by karga.eelab.itu.edu.tr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01211 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:09:20 +0300 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:09:20 +0300 (EEST) From: Mete Balci To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: ftp and cdrom image Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have some questions for distribution. I have started to download freebsd 3.2-current via ftp but it seems to be huge. I think it will be 2 CD. First, how do I have to split it to 2 CDs ? which dirs will going to first and which to second CD ? Second, I have seen there is an iso image file for rel. 4.0. So why is it just 1 CD ? I have experienced Linux for 3 years at an administration level but no idea about freebsd. Which type of download could you recommend to me ? Thanks. Mete BALCI Istanbul Technical University To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 5:33:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7954D14E1A; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 05:33:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E621C1F; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:32:25 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Doug Rabson Cc: Andrew Gallatin , current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cc -O broken in -current for Alpha KLDs In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Aug 1999 03:28:06 +0100." Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:32:25 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <19990820123225.A5E621C1F@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug Rabson wrote: > On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > I do most of my development on alphas & I just turned some local code > > into a loadable kernel module. It works fine when compiled into the > > kernel statically, but fails miserably when loaded into an alpha > > kernel as a module. This alpha is running -current from monday or > > so. > > > > After a day or so of debugging, I decided to run > > it on an x86 -- it ran just fine. I've narrowed the problem down to > > one involving optimization and have extracted a simple, reproducable > > test case. > > > > When the test module is loaded without optimization (CFLAGS += -g > > -O0), it prints the following (which is correct): > > It looks like we aren't handling the relocations correctly. When I get a > chance, I will try to look at it. If you want to have another look, the > code at fault is probably in alpha/alpha/elf_machdep.c and you can get a > list of relocations in the module with 'objdump --dynamic-reloc foo.ko'. I thought of that before I went to sleep this morning too.. Cheers, -Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 6:49:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (freja.webgiro.com [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11CF14D97 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 06:49:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id ACA751912; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:47:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCBA49D4; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:47:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:46:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Nick Hibma Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Nick Hibma wrote: > > What a ridiculous idea! I love it! Hehe.. Now they can run it on their cluster. :-) > > Hi, > > > > This is my poor attempt at reproducing the screens on the movie... Sure, > > there is much room for improvement, and the whole thing would look cool in > > VESA, if someone has more spare time... > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/matrix.tgz > > > > Unpack it in /sys/modules/syscons. > > > > Andrzej Bialecki > > > > // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) > > // ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- > > // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > > > > > -- > e-Mail: hibma@skylink.it > > Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 7:26:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from kremvax.demos.su (kremvax.demos.su [194.87.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A656014BCF for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:26:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sinbin.demos.su!yormungandr.demos.su!mishania@kremvax.demos.su) Received: by kremvax.demos.su (8.6.13/D) from 0@sinbin.demos.su [194.87.5.31] with ESMTP id RAA21617; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:02:57 +0400 Received: from yormungandr.demos.su by sinbin.demos.su with ESMTP id RAA06580; (8.6.12/D) Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:02:10 +0400 Received: (from mishania@localhost) by yormungandr.demos.su (8.9.3/8.9.2) id RAA07520; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:01:58 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from mishania) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:01:58 +0400 From: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" To: Werner Griessl Cc: Amancio Hasty , Freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To Burn CDs Message-ID: <19990820170158.B7366@demos.su> References: <199908200937.CAA27602@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Werner Griessl on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 01:04:47PM +0200 X-Point-of-View: Gravity is myth, - the earth sucks. Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 01:04:47PM +0200, Werner Griessl wrote: # # Don't forget cdrdao, it's able to read and burn "video(cdi)"-cd's. # Successfully done here with a philips cdr2600 burner for a philips cdi player. # It's also in ports. From what I recall, tosha's been able to deal with vcd's as well, it's just they usually start from track 2. # Werner -- -mishania To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 7:29:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36B814BCF; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:29:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08361; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA91199; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:27:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:27:35 -0400 (EDT) To: Doug Rabson Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cc -O broken in -current for Alpha KLDs In-Reply-To: References: <14268.1961.256187.86499@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14269.25728.498019.956479@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug Rabson writes: > On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > I do most of my development on alphas & I just turned some local code > > into a loadable kernel module. It works fine when compiled into the > > kernel statically, but fails miserably when loaded into an alpha > > kernel as a module. This alpha is running -current from monday or > > so. > > > > After a day or so of debugging, I decided to run > > it on an x86 -- it ran just fine. I've narrowed the problem down to > > one involving optimization and have extracted a simple, reproducable > > test case. > > > > When the test module is loaded without optimization (CFLAGS += -g > > -O0), it prints the following (which is correct): > > It looks like we aren't handling the relocations correctly. When I get a > chance, I will try to look at it. If you want to have another look, the > code at fault is probably in alpha/alpha/elf_machdep.c and you can get a > list of relocations in the module with 'objdump --dynamic-reloc foo.ko'. Thanks for the pointer, it was right on the money. It turns out that at the default optimization level, the objdump output looks like this: <...> 0000000000010ea8 RELATIVE *ABS* 0000000000010e80 GLOB_DAT Xmit_completes+0x0000000000000028 0000000000010e88 GLOB_DAT Xmit_completes+0x0000000000000008 0000000000010e90 GLOB_DAT Xmit_completes+0x0000000000000010 0000000000010e98 GLOB_DAT Xmit_completes+0x0000000000000018 0000000000010ea0 GLOB_DAT Xmit_completes 0000000000010e70 JMP_SLOT printf <...> I've just committed a patch to alpha/alpha/elf_machdep.c which takes into account the addends for objects of type R_ALPHA_GLOB_DAT. This fixes my problem. Should it be MFC'ed? Thanks again, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 7:43:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from par28.ma.ikos.com (par28.ma.ikos.com [137.103.105.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9488114FC6 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:43:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tich@par28.ma.ikos.com) Received: from [[UNIX: localhost]] ([[UNIX: localhost]]) by par28.ma.ikos.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA28987; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:41:28 -0400 From: Richard Cownie To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org.gdb@sourceware.cygnus.com Subject: gdb-4.17 in FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:28:04 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.0] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: tich@par28.ma.ikos.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99082010412803.11889@par28.ma.ikos.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I managed to build gdb-4.17 in FreeBSD 4.0, here's how to do it: 1) gdb-4.17/configure --host=i386-unknown-freebsdelf4.0 Have to specify the host explicitly, otherwise it doesn't realize it needs to use ELF. 2) in gdb-4.17/Makefile, add "-DSVR4_SHARED_LIBS" to definition of CFLAGS 3) in gdb-4.17/gdb/solib.c, add #include "elf/common.h" (after #include "elf/external.h") 4) in gdb-4.17/gdb/infptrace.c, add #define U_REGS_OFFSET 0x1fa8 I figured out this number the hard way by searching all the valid PT_READ_U addresses and comparing the results with PT_GETREGS - found locations where eip and esp values matched up. Doubtless there's a better way to get the right value. Then it should all build (and perhaps work). The same hacks probably apply to gdb-4.18 and gdb-current (but so far gdb-4.17 is the most useful version I've seen for debugging C++). Richard Cownie (tich@ma.ikos.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 7:56:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.252.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D47F414FD8 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:56:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netchild@Vodix.CS.Uni-SB.de) Received: from work.net.local (maxtnt-156.telip.uni-sb.de [134.96.71.27]) by uni-sb.de (8.9.3/1999070600) with ESMTP id QAA18740; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:55:27 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: uni-sb.de: Host maxtnt-156.telip.uni-sb.de [134.96.71.27] claimed to be work.net.local Received: from Vodix.CS.Uni-SB.de (localhost.net.local [127.0.0.1]) by work.net.local (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01009; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:53:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from netchild@Vodix.CS.Uni-SB.de) Message-Id: <199908201353.PAA01009@work.net.local> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:53:35 +0200 (CEST) From: A.Leidinger@WJPServer.CS.Uni-SB.de Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive To: Matthew Dillon Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199908191833.LAA57058@apollo.backplane.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 19 Aug, Matthew Dillon wrote: > It should be noted that the 'cdrecord' program implements a FIFO itself, > and you can specify the size. The default is 2MB. cdrecord uses a man cdrecord (v1.8a2?): ---snip--- The default fifo size is currently 4 MB. ---snip--- Bye, Alexander. -- Coming to you live from a finite point in the space-time continuum! http://netchild.home.pages.de A.Leidinger+Home @ WJPServer.CS.Uni-SB.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 9:43:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from southpass.baynetworks.com (ns2.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.3.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8201114C01 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:43:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thomma@BayNetworks.COM) Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (h016b.s86b1.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.1.107]) by southpass.baynetworks.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14008 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fedex.engwest.baynetworks.com (fedex.engwest.baynetworks.com [134.177.110.46]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.9.1/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA12834 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carrera.engwest (carrera.engwest.baynetworks.com) by fedex.engwest.baynetworks.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) Received: from localhost by carrera.engwest (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA02166; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:40:23 -0700 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: ping/egcs X-Mailer: Mew version 1.92 on Emacs 19.28 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990820094022B.thomma@baynetworks.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:40:22 -0700 From: Tamiji Homma X-Dispatcher: imput version 971024 Lines: 32 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I just came across the problem with ping and egcs. If you do # ping -s 57 localhost PING localhost (127.0.0.1): 57 data bytes ^C --- localhost ping statistics --- 2 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss if the data size is even number, it works OK. I think that the problem is that EGCS generates bad code in in_cksum() with -O. Compiling with -O0 solves the problem as well as applying following patch fixes it. I wonder if how many problems like this go unnoticed.... *** ping.c-org Fri Aug 20 09:38:33 1999 --- ping.c Fri Aug 20 09:39:08 1999 *************** *** 944,949 **** --- 944,950 ---- /* mop up an odd byte, if necessary */ if (nleft == 1) { *(u_char *)(&answer) = *(u_char *)w ; + *((u_char *)(&answer)+1) = 0; sum += answer; } Tammy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 10:18:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E33015323 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:18:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id QAA25296; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:40:50 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199908201440.QAA25296@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: problem with vnconfig -s labels ... To: current@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:40:49 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1046 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, trying to build picobsd on 19990816snap of -current, i am consistently hitting a problem, which is totally reproducible from the command line. The following sequence vnconfig -s labels -c /dev/rvn0 fs.PICOBSD disklabel -rw /dev/rvn0 fd1440 causes a panic with a page fault accessing a low address (presumably through a null pointer) in vnstrategy. fs.PICOBSD is a file filled with 0's with dd if=/dev/zero... and the problem appears to occur independently from the size of the file. can someone investigate this ? the code seems to work fine on 3.x cheers luigi -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ngc99/ ==== First International Workshop on Networked Group Communication ==== -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 10:30:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (freja.webgiro.com [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593621536E for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:30:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 488041912; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:30:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4367B499A; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:30:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:30:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with vnconfig -s labels ... In-Reply-To: <199908201440.QAA25296@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > Hi, > > trying to build picobsd on 19990816snap of -current, i am consistently > hitting a problem, which is totally reproducible from the command line. > The following sequence > > vnconfig -s labels -c /dev/rvn0 fs.PICOBSD > disklabel -rw /dev/rvn0 fd1440 > > causes a panic with a page fault accessing a low address (presumably > through a null pointer) in vnstrategy. > > fs.PICOBSD is a file filled with 0's with dd if=/dev/zero... > and the problem appears to occur independently from the size of the > file. > > can someone investigate this ? the code seems to work fine on 3.x Someone also sent me a report on that, so it's a real problem. I have a traceback, but without debugging symbols. Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 10:34:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BDD915399 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:34:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id QAA25376; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:55:22 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199908201455.QAA25376@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: problem with vnconfig -s labels ... To: abial@webgiro.com (Andrzej Bialecki) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:55:22 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Andrzej Bialecki" at Aug 20, 99 07:30:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 399 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > can someone investigate this ? the code seems to work fine on 3.x > > Someone also sent me a report on that, so it's a real problem. I have a > traceback, but without debugging symbols. it's so easy to reproduce that i hope the vm/vn gurus will not require too much effort to find the bug. in the meantime, what you suggest (for picobsd builds that is) ? use a real floppy ? cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 10:34:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (freja.webgiro.com [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1516B15390 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:34:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DEA4F1912; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:34:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE4A499A for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:34:31 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:34:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Due to unexpected demand (I did it mostly as a distraction from real work), I backported this screensaver to 3.2-RELEASE (don't know about STABLE), and corrected some inconsistencies. I added also binary versions to the archives. Both versions are available at: http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/matrix_3.2.tgz http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/matrix_4.0.tgz Have fun... Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 10:38:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (freja.webgiro.com [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15C715390 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:38:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4762F1912; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:38:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4693B499A; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:38:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:38:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with vnconfig -s labels ... In-Reply-To: <199908201455.QAA25376@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > can someone investigate this ? the code seems to work fine on 3.x > > > > Someone also sent me a report on that, so it's a real problem. I have a > > traceback, but without debugging symbols. > > it's so easy to reproduce that i hope the vm/vn gurus will not require > too much effort to find the bug. > > in the meantime, what you suggest (for picobsd builds that is) ? > use a real floppy ? Yes, I think... but this gonna be slow, man! Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 10:40:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from axl.noc.iafrica.com (axl.noc.iafrica.com [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B36E14D6A for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:40:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.noc.iafrica.com) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.noc.iafrica.com) by axl.noc.iafrica.com with local-esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11Hsds-0007YR-00; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:39:52 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:34:31 +0200." Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:39:52 +0200 Message-ID: <29042.935170792@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:34:31 +0200, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > Due to unexpected demand (I did it mostly as a distraction from real > work), I backported this screensaver to 3.2-RELEASE (don't know about > STABLE), and corrected some inconsistencies. I added also binary versions > to the archives. You really do get around, huh? From maintaining the bloat-free PicoBSD to contributing the ultrabloat candidate of the year. ;-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 10:46:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0115C14C4E for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:46:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA04763; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:43:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: abial@webgiro.com (Andrzej Bialecki), current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problem with vnconfig -s labels ... In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:55:22 +0200." <199908201455.QAA25376@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:43:19 +0200 Message-ID: <4761.935170999@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199908201455.QAA25376@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>, Luigi Rizzo writes: >> > can someone investigate this ? the code seems to work fine on 3.x >> >> Someone also sent me a report on that, so it's a real problem. I have a >> traceback, but without debugging symbols. > >it's so easy to reproduce that i hope the vm/vn gurus will not require >too much effort to find the bug. Try to revert the BUF_STRATEGY() patch, if that fixes it vn is broken. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 10:50:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (freja.webgiro.com [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A9F14C34 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:50:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6293B1912; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:50:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C7F499A; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:50:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:50:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 In-Reply-To: <29042.935170792@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > > On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:34:31 +0200, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > Due to unexpected demand (I did it mostly as a distraction from real > > work), I backported this screensaver to 3.2-RELEASE (don't know about > > STABLE), and corrected some inconsistencies. I added also binary versions > > to the archives. > > You really do get around, huh? From maintaining the bloat-free PicoBSD > to contributing the ultrabloat candidate of the year. ;-) Yes, I admit - it's useless. That's why I wrote it... :) Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 11:19:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from smtprch1.nortel.com (smtprch1.nortelnetworks.com [192.135.215.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE641536F for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:19:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from atrens@nortelnetworks.com) Received: from zcars01t by smtprch1.nortel.com; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:09:10 -0500 Received: from wmerh01z.ca.nortel.com by zcars01t; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:16:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (atrens@wmerh01z@wmerh01z) by wmerh01z.ca.nortel.com with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id OAA04204; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:15:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew Atrens" To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with vnconfig -s labels ... In-Reply-To: <199908201440.QAA25296@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi, I've been seeing the same thing for about 6 weeks now :) I, too can reproduce the panic _at will_. If anyone's interested I've got a large selection of kernel cores to choose from :) ... Andrew. Some comments below ... On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > Hi, > > trying to build picobsd on 19990816snap of -current, i am consistently > hitting a problem, which is totally reproducible from the command line. > The following sequence > > vnconfig -s labels -c /dev/rvn0 fs.PICOBSD > disklabel -rw /dev/rvn0 fd1440 > > causes a panic with a page fault accessing a low address (presumably > through a null pointer) in vnstrategy. Yeah, I instrumented my kernel - and it is NULL. I think it's dev_t related breakage but I have no proof :) . Also slices don't work. I try doing: vnconfig -e -s labels /dev/vn0 and then disklabel -rw vn0 auto and disklabel says '/dev/vn0c' not configured, or some such - it seems the mapping between /dev/vn0 /dev/vn0s1 (and friends) and /dev/vn0a /dev/vn0b (and friends) does not work _at all_. This has been the case since early July. > > fs.PICOBSD is a file filled with 0's with dd if=/dev/zero... > and the problem appears to occur independently from the size of the > file. Correct. Same here. > > can someone investigate this ? the code seems to work fine on 3.x > As stated above it worked fine until sometime in July. A point that may be of interest - I've found panics are more likely to occur if the command pair is executed in a script vs. from the command line. This may suggest some sort of race is occurring. Hope some of this is helpful... :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 11:21:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B376715A2E for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:21:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24083; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:20:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199908201820.LAA24083@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: REQ: Test /etc/rc clean-up In-Reply-To: <21889.935137150@axl.noc.iafrica.com> from Sheldon Hearn at "Aug 20, 1999 10:19:10 am" To: sheldonh@uunet.co.za (Sheldon Hearn) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Hi folks, > > I have a diff for src/etc/rc that I'd like to have had used on a few > machines before I commit it. I'm pretty sure I haven't made any mistakes > with my changes, but you can never be too careful, right? Right... > > The diff homogenizes the manner in which variables are tested and is > more careful about using variables in a manner that avoids potential > problems that are unlikely to occur. I see it as a mostly cosmetic, but > healthy change. Looks good, it's been quite some time since someone applied the style rules to the src/etc tree... ---------------------------- revision 1.48 date: 1995/03/21 15:20:47; author: jkh; state: Exp; lines: +59 -49 Begin a long-overdue cleanup of this whole mess. 1. Move all system configuration variables into /etc/sysconfig 2. Adapt other files to use it. 3. Add a host of new variables for micro-managing your system in various ways. For 2.1, /etc/sysconfig will be machine-edited so that the user doesn't even have to care at all about the various funny names we picked. 4. Enable dset. We won't get it debugged if we never use it, and no one has said anything negative about it yet, so here goes! 5. Try to use one consistent style throughout. ---------------------------- (#5 being the last time I can find that this was done to the file...) I always wanted a knob on sh so that variables _had_ to be of the form ${name} just so I could run my scripts through it so it would find all of these types of things for me. > Ciao, > Sheldon. > > Index: rc > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/etc/rc,v > retrieving revision 1.193 > diff -u -d -r1.193 rc > --- rc 1999/08/06 06:22:43 1.193 > +++ rc 1999/08/17 15:36:04 > @@ -45,15 +45,15 @@ > ccdconfig -C > fi > > -if [ X$start_vinum = XYES ]; then > +if [ X"${start_vinum}" = X"YES" ]; then > vinum start > -elif [ -n "$vinum_drives" ]; then > - vinum read $vinum_drives > +elif [ -n "${vinum_drives}" ]; then > + vinum read ${vinum_drives} > fi > > swapon -a > > -if [ $1x = autobootx ]; then > +if [ X"$1" = X"autoboot" ]; then > echo Automatic reboot in progress... > fsck -p > case $? in > @@ -95,7 +95,7 @@ > # diskless boot it does not have to be. > # > > -if [ "X$root_rw_mount" != "XNO" ]; then > +if [ X"${root_rw_mount}" != X"NO" ]; then > mount -u -o rw / > fi > > @@ -106,7 +106,7 @@ > > umount -a >/dev/null 2>&1 > > -if [ "X$early_nfs_mounts" != "XYES" ]; then > +if [ X"${early_nfs_mounts}" != X"YES" ]; then > mount -a -t nonfs > else > mount -a > @@ -119,9 +119,9 @@ > # Run custom disk mounting function here > # > > -if [ "X$diskless_mount" != "X" ]; then > - if [ -f $diskless_mount ]; then > - sh $diskless_mount > +if [ X"${diskless_mount}" != X"" ]; then > + if [ -f ${diskless_mount} ]; then > + sh ${diskless_mount} > fi > fi > > @@ -148,9 +148,9 @@ > fi > > # Add additional swapfile, if configured. > -if [ "x$swapfile" != "xNO" -a -w "$swapfile" -a -b /dev/vn0b ]; then > - echo "Adding $swapfile as additional swap." > - vnconfig /dev/vn0b $swapfile && swapon /dev/vn0b > +if [ X"${swapfile}" != X"NO" -a -w "${swapfile}" -a -b /dev/vn0b ]; then > + echo "Adding ${swapfile} as additional swap." > + vnconfig /dev/vn0b ${swapfile} && swapon /dev/vn0b > fi > > # set sysctl variables early as we can > @@ -195,7 +195,7 @@ > # > # See also the example of another cleanup policy in /etc/periodic/daily. > # > -if [ "X${clear_tmp_enable}" = X"YES" ]; then > +if [ X"${clear_tmp_enable}" = X"YES" ]; then > echo clearing /tmp > > # prune quickly with one rm, then use find to clean up /tmp/[lq]* > @@ -217,7 +217,7 @@ > # start system logging and name service (named needs to start before syslogd > # if you don't have a /etc/resolv.conf) > # > -if [ "X${syslogd_enable}" = X"YES" ]; then > +if [ X"${syslogd_enable}" = X"YES" ]; then > # Transitional symlink (for the next couple of years :) until all > # binaries had a chance to move towards /var/run/log. > if [ ! -h /dev/log ] ; then > @@ -233,21 +233,21 @@ > # enable dumpdev so that savecore can see it > # /var/crash should be a directory or a symbolic link > # to the crash directory if core dumps are to be saved. > -if [ "X${dumpdev}" != X"NO" -a -e ${dumpdev} -a -d /var/crash ]; then > +if [ X"${dumpdev}" != X"NO" -a -e ${dumpdev} -a -d /var/crash ]; then > dumpon ${dumpdev} > echo -n checking for core dump... > savecore /var/crash > fi > > -if [ -n "$network_pass1_done" ]; then > +if [ -n "${network_pass1_done}" ]; then > network_pass2 > fi > > # Enable/Check the quotas (must be after ypbind if using NIS) > -if [ "X${enable_quotas}" = X"YES" ]; then > +if [ X"${enable_quotas}" = X"YES" ]; then > > # Only check quotas if they have been previously enabled, and requested > - if [ "X${check_quotas}" = X"YES" ]; then > + if [ X"${check_quotas}" = X"YES" ]; then > echo -n 'checking quotas:' > quotacheck -a > echo ' done.' > @@ -258,7 +258,7 @@ > echo ' done.' > fi > > -if [ -n "$network_pass2_done" ]; then > +if [ -n "${network_pass2_done}" ]; then > network_pass3 > fi > > @@ -274,7 +274,7 @@ > "password file may be incorrect -- /etc/ptmp exists" > fi > > -if [ "X${accounting_enable}" = X"YES" -a -d /var/account ]; then > +if [ X"${accounting_enable}" = X"YES" -a -d /var/account ]; then > echo 'turning on accounting' > if [ ! -e /var/account/acct ]; then > touch /var/account/acct > @@ -287,7 +287,7 @@ > if [ -x /sbin/ldconfig ]; then > if [ X"`/usr/bin/objformat`" = X"elf" ]; then > _LDC=/usr/lib > - for i in $ldconfig_paths; do > + for i in ${ldconfig_paths}; do > if test -d $i; then > _LDC="${_LDC} $i" > fi > @@ -301,7 +301,7 @@ > # Default the a.out ldconfig path. > : ${ldconfig_paths_aout=${ldconfig_paths}} > _LDC=/usr/lib/aout > - for i in $ldconfig_paths_aout; do > + for i in ${ldconfig_paths_aout}; do > if test -d $i; then > _LDC="${_LDC} $i" > fi > @@ -314,23 +314,23 @@ > # Now start up miscellaneous daemons that don't belong anywhere else > # > echo -n starting standard daemons: > -if [ "X${inetd_enable}" != X"NO" ]; then > +if [ X"${inetd_enable}" != X"NO" ]; then > echo -n ' inetd'; inetd ${inetd_flags} > fi > > -if [ "X${cron_enable}" != X"NO" ]; then > +if [ X"${cron_enable}" != X"NO" ]; then > echo -n ' cron'; cron > fi > > -if [ "X${lpd_enable}" = X"YES" ]; then > +if [ X"${lpd_enable}" = X"YES" ]; then > echo -n ' printer'; ${lpd_program} ${lpd_flags} > fi > > -if [ "X${sendmail_enable}" = X"YES" -a -r /etc/sendmail.cf ]; then > +if [ X"${sendmail_enable}" = X"YES" -a -r /etc/sendmail.cf ]; then > echo -n ' sendmail'; /usr/sbin/sendmail ${sendmail_flags} > fi > > -if [ "X${usbd_enable}" = X"YES" ]; then > +if [ X"${usbd_enable}" = X"YES" ]; then > echo -n ' usbd'; /usr/sbin/usbd ${usbd_flags} > fi > > @@ -344,9 +344,9 @@ > > # Recover vi editor files. > vibackup=`echo /var/tmp/vi.recover/vi.*` > -if [ "$vibackup" != '/var/tmp/vi.recover/vi.*' ]; then > +if [ X"${vibackup}" != X'/var/tmp/vi.recover/vi.*' ]; then > echo 'Recovering vi editor sessions' > - for i in $vibackup; do > + for i in ${vibackup}; do > # Only test files that are readable. > if test ! -r $i; then > continue > @@ -362,8 +362,8 @@ > # It is possible to get incomplete recovery files, if the editor > # crashes at the right time. > virecovery=`echo /var/tmp/vi.recover/recover.*` > - if [ "$virecovery" != "/var/tmp/vi.recover/recover.*" ]; then > - for i in $virecovery; do > + if [ "${virecovery}" != '/var/tmp/vi.recover/recover.*' ]; then > + for i in ${virecovery}; do > # Only test files that are readable. > if test ! -r $i; then > continue > @@ -373,7 +373,7 @@ > # corrupted, or that have no corresponding backup file. > # Else send mail to the user. > recfile=`awk '/^X-vi-recover-path:/{print $2}' < $i` > - if test -n "$recfile" -a -s "$recfile"; then > + if test -n "${recfile}" -a -s "${recfile}"; then > sendmail -t < $i > else > rm -f $i > @@ -388,7 +388,7 @@ > fi > > # for each valid dir in $local_startup, search for init scripts matching *.sh > -if [ "X${local_startup}" != X"NO" ]; then > +if [ X"${local_startup}" != X"NO" ]; then > echo -n 'Local package initialization:' > for dir in ${local_startup}; do > [ -d ${dir} ] && for script in ${dir}/*.sh; do > @@ -437,7 +437,7 @@ > > # Raise kernel security level. This should be done only after `fsck' has > # repaired local file systems if you want the securelevel to be greater than 1. > -if [ "X${kern_securelevel_enable}" = X"YES" -a "${kern_securelevel}" -ge 0 ]; > +if [ X"${kern_securelevel_enable}" = X"YES" -a "${kern_securelevel}" -ge 0 ]; > then > echo 'Raising kernel security level' > sysctl -w kern.securelevel=${kern_securelevel} > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 11:23: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from smtprch1.nortel.com (smtprch1.nortelnetworks.com [192.135.215.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F17B15300 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:23:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from atrens@nortelnetworks.com) Received: from zcars01t by smtprch1.nortel.com; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:15:01 -0500 Received: from wmerh01z.ca.nortel.com by zcars01t; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:22:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (atrens@wmerh01z@wmerh01z) by wmerh01z.ca.nortel.com with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id OAA04795; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:22:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew Atrens" To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: Luigi Rizzo , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with vnconfig -s labels ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Someone also sent me a report on that, so it's a real problem. I have a > traceback, but without debugging symbols. Doh! Sorry about that :) I'll rebuild my kernel later today... Cheers, Andrew. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 11:51:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 758) id 286381524E; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A23C1CD8BD; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:51:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@hub.freebsd.org) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:51:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Mete Balci Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ftp and cdrom image In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Mete Balci wrote: > I have some questions for distribution. I have started to download freebsd > 3.2-current via ftp but it seems to be huge. I think it will be 2 CD. > First, how do I have to split it to 2 CDs ? which dirs will going to first > and which to second CD ? Second, I have seen there is an iso image file > for rel. 4.0. So why is it just 1 CD ? I have experienced Linux for 3 > years at an administration level but no idea about freebsd. Which type of > download could you recommend to me ? I recommend you download FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE, not FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT, which is the developer's version and for experienced hackers only (see http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ7.html#7) For instructions on how to install FreeBSD-STABLE, please see http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install.html. Note that 3.3 is coming out in a few weeks, but there aren't likely to be many differences between the current snapshot of 3.2-STABLE and 3.3-RELEASE (see http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ8.html#8 for why). In general, be sure to always consult the FAQ, handbook, and mailing list archives with your problems before posting to a mailing list - chances are they have been answered (many times) before. Thanks and good luck! Kris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 12: 1:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt010nb9.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06AB6153A7 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:01:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by dt010nb9.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA68762; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:59:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:59:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug X-Sender: doug@dt010nb9.san.rr.com To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: REQ: Test /etc/rc clean-up In-Reply-To: <21889.935137150@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I have a diff for src/etc/rc that I'd like to have had used on a few > machines before I commit it. I'm pretty sure I haven't made any mistakes > with my changes, but you can never be too careful, right? > > The diff homogenizes the manner in which variables are tested and is > more careful about using variables in a manner that avoids potential > problems that are unlikely to occur. I see it as a mostly cosmetic, but > healthy change. I agree that there are a lot of things in the rc.* scripts that need cleaning, and making the variable treatment safe and consistent is a good start. However I'd REALLY like to emphasize again that if we're going to do this the proper fix is to use case wherever possible. There are numerous reasons for this, not the least of which are making the variable case insensitive (and therefore more user friendly) and that case is a builtin. For example: > -if [ X$start_vinum = XYES ]; then case "${start_vinum}" in [Yy][Ee][Ss] ) do whatever ;; esac I have offered several times to do the work if it has a chance of being committed, that offer is still good. Either way I think that the cleanup effort is a good thing. Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 12: 8:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.144.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5643014CA1 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:08:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA80327; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:06:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:06:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > Hi, > > This is my poor attempt at reproducing the screens on the movie... Sure, > there is much room for improvement, and the whole thing would look cool in > VESA, if someone has more spare time... > > http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/matrix.tgz Hey, where'd it go? Doug White Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 12:27:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (freja.webgiro.com [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CB91587F for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:27:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A32671912; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:28:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FEEF499A; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:28:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:28:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Doug White Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Doug White wrote: > On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > This is my poor attempt at reproducing the screens on the movie... Sure, > > there is much room for improvement, and the whole thing would look cool in > > VESA, if someone has more spare time... > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/matrix.tgz > > Hey, where'd it go? See my next announcement on -current. Or, see my page. Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 13: 6:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41BF814EE7 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:06:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA08907; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:05:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG oh THAT screen... quite a giggle.. On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > Hi, > > Due to unexpected demand (I did it mostly as a distraction from real > work), I backported this screensaver to 3.2-RELEASE (don't know about > STABLE), and corrected some inconsistencies. I added also binary versions > to the archives. > > Both versions are available at: > > http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/matrix_3.2.tgz > http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/matrix_4.0.tgz > > Have fun... > > > Andrzej Bialecki > > // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) > // ------------------------------------------------------------------- > // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- > // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 13:42: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (freja.webgiro.com [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D011535D for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:42:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B07271912; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:40:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD834499A; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:40:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:40:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Julian Elischer Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Julian Elischer wrote: > oh THAT screen... > > quite a giggle.. c'mon, you didn't expect me to put an intro scene from the movie, did you? Yeah, that's something - MPEG screensaver... only a few GB. I need to think about it. 8-)) Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 13:42:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ns.skylink.it (ns.skylink.it [194.177.113.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A346714D00 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:42:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from n_hibma@skylink.it) Received: from heidi.plazza.it (va-145.skylink.it [194.185.55.145]) by ns.skylink.it (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA16158; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:42:14 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heidi.plazza.it (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09942; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:27:52 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:27:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@heidi.plazza.it Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Julian Elischer Cc: Andrzej Bialecki , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > oh THAT screen... > > quite a giggle.. Have you seen the source ... very neat and short. Pitty that it consumes 2% intr time. Nick -- e-Mail: hibma@skylink.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 13:48:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD0414D00 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:48:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B88881C0E; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B553B3826; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:47:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: Julian Elischer , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > c'mon, you didn't expect me to put an intro scene from the movie, did you? > Yeah, that's something - MPEG screensaver... only a few GB. I need to > think about it. I wonder where in phk's rules for binary files in the tree that would fall. Just make sure to uuencode the mpeg first. :> -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 13:49:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (freja.webgiro.com [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6408515AD3 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:49:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 910331912; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:49:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0BA499A; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:49:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:49:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Nick Hibma Cc: Julian Elischer , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Nick Hibma wrote: > > oh THAT screen... > > > > quite a giggle.. > > Have you seen the source ... very neat and short. Pitty that it consumes > 2% intr time. Oh, there is still much room for improvement here... if there is any interest, that is. :-) Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 14:10:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from monster.abyss.net (dark.abyss.net [207.198.22.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A411155B3 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:10:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ksb@abyss.net) Received: from nightmare.abyss.net (ksb@nightmare.abyss.net [10.0.0.3]) by monster.abyss.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA42893; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:00:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ksb@abyss.net) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:10:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kevin S. Brackett" To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > Hi, > > Due to unexpected demand (I did it mostly as a distraction from real > work), I backported this screensaver to 3.2-RELEASE (don't know about > STABLE), and corrected some inconsistencies. I added also binary versions > to the archives. > LOL! I love that! Good work. :) - kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 14:23:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from smtprch1.nortel.com (smtprch1.nortelnetworks.com [192.135.215.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27AB15B0F; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:22:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from atrens@nortelnetworks.com) Received: from zcars01t by smtprch1.nortel.com; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:13:09 -0500 Received: from hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com by zcars01t; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:20:32 -0400 Received: from hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com (hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com [47.196.31.114]) by hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com (8.9.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA01424; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:22:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew Atrens" Reply-To: "Andrew Atrens" To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: help! - strange vn behaviour In-Reply-To: <6117.935182962@critter.freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'll cc: hackers and see if this rings a bell for anyone :| .. Andrew > >Btw, can you explain why this happens? > > > > > >$ partitionsize=256 > > > >$ sects=`/bin/expr $partitionsize '*' 64 '-' 1` > > > >$ vnconfig -e -s labels -S $partitionsize"m" /dev/vn0 > > > >$ disklabel -w -r vn0 auto > >disklabel: /dev/rvn0c: Device not configured > > > >$ disklabel vn0 > >disklabel: ioctl DIOCGDINFO: Inappropriate ioctl for device > > > >$ disklabel /dev/vn0 > ># /dev/vn0: > >type: unknown > >disk: amnesiac > >label: fictitious > >flags: > >bytes/sector: 4096 > >sectors/track: 32 > >tracks/cylinder: 8 > >sectors/cylinder: 256 > >cylinders: 256 > >sectors/unit: 65536 > >rpm: 3600 > >interleave: 1 > >trackskew: 0 > >cylinderskew: 0 > >headswitch: 0 # milliseconds > >track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds > >drivedata: 0 > >8 partitions: > ># size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] > > c: 65536 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0-255) > >- > > Now, if I do a - $ vnconfig -u /dev/vn0c && echo "woohoo!" vnconfig: VNIOCDETACH: Device not configured $ vnconfig -u /dev/vn0 && echo "woohoo!" woohoo! > >... > > > > > >The vn device _is_ configured but not useable via /dev/vn0[abc..z] > > > >?????? > > > >Andrew. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 14:43:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from ns.skylink.it (ns.skylink.it [194.177.113.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7060B14E84 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:43:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from n_hibma@skylink.it) Received: from heidi.plazza.it (va-145.skylink.it [194.185.55.145]) by ns.skylink.it (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17265; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:42:56 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heidi.plazza.it (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10136; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:42:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:42:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@heidi.plazza.it Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: Julian Elischer , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > oh THAT screen... > > > > > > quite a giggle.. > > > > Have you seen the source ... very neat and short. Pitty that it consumes > > 2% intr time. > > Oh, there is still much room for improvement here... if there is any > interest, that is. :-) Like rewriting the syscons driver again, to make your 10 line screensaver faster, yeah right. This ain't Linux. Nick -- e-Mail: hibma@skylink.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 14:50:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from paert.tse-online.de (paert.tse-online.de [194.97.69.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C5AE914E84 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:50:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ab@paert.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 39373 invoked by uid 1000); 20 Aug 1999 21:50:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:50:25 +0200 From: Andreas Braukmann To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 Message-ID: <19990820235025.K21346@paert.tse-online.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrzej Bialecki on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 07:34:31PM +0200 Organization: TSE GmbH - Neue Medien Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 07:34:31PM +0200, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > Due to unexpected demand (I did it mostly as a distraction from real > work), I backported this screensaver to 3.2-RELEASE (don't know about ... I saw the announcement for the first release, realised that it's only for -current; went home, tested it on my personal -current machine and instantly wondered how many messages about a port to -stable you might had got already. I decided to just let the others do the begging ;))) What a pity, that our servers are running on those smallish gray-scale 9" screens. And what a pity for 'Chuck' being banned from our consoles ...;) What about a xlock-more module? Thank's alot for the amusement ... -Andreas -- : Anti-Spam Petition: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ : : PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key : : Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 15:24:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu (ip-198-202.guate.net [209.198.197.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF18315175 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:19:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obonilla@voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu) Received: (from obonilla@localhost) by voyager.fisicc-ufm.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00802; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:11:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from obonilla) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:11:42 -0600 From: Oscar Bonilla To: Andreas Braukmann Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 Message-ID: <19990820161142.C673@fisicc-ufm.edu> References: <19990820235025.K21346@paert.tse-online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19990820235025.K21346@paert.tse-online.de>; from Andreas Braukmann on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 11:50:25PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 11:50:25PM +0200, Andreas Braukmann wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 07:34:31PM +0200, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > Due to unexpected demand (I did it mostly as a distraction from real > > work), I backported this screensaver to 3.2-RELEASE (don't know about > ... I saw the announcement for the first release, realised that > it's only for -current; went home, tested it on my personal -current > machine and instantly wondered how many messages about a port to > -stable you might had got already. > I decided to just let the others do the begging ;))) > > What a pity, that our servers are running on those smallish > gray-scale 9" screens. > And what a pity for 'Chuck' being banned from our consoles ...;) > > What about a xlock-more module? > > Thank's alot for the amusement ... > I haven't seen Andrzej's screensaver, but if it is about those green letters that fall from the top of the screen (aka the matrix) then xlock already includes a module for this... I'm using it on my laptop.. regards, -Oscar -- For PGP Public Key: finger obonilla@fisicc-ufm.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 16:53:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (blaubaer.kn-bremen.de [195.37.179.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3280E14E81 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:53:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nox@saturn.kn-bremen.de) Received: from saturn.kn-bremen.de (uucp@localhost) by blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id BAA00912; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:49:06 +0200 Received: (from nox@localhost) by saturn.kn-bremen.de (8.9.3/8.8.5) id WAA88359; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:32:44 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:32:44 +0200 (MET DST) From: Juergen Lock Message-Id: <199908202032.WAA88359@saturn.kn-bremen.de> To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com Subject: user friendly creation of CDs (was: Re: patches for tosha?) X-Newsgroups: local.list.freebsd.current In-Reply-To: <199908191931.MAA22484@rah.star-gate.com> References: <199908191823.UAA79908@yedi.iaf.nl> Organization: home Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <199908191931.MAA22484@rah.star-gate.com> you write: > >Hi, > >I am all set . cdrecord-1.8a22 includes cdda2wav as jack@germanium.xtalwind.net >pointed out and it does work with my Yamaha cd recorder . > >In summary using FreeBSD-current of about two weeks ago , I am now able to : >1. to burn iso 9660 with mkisofs + cdrecord >2. extract CD audio tracks with cdda2wav >3. Burn audio cds with cdrecord . No other external program > is necessary to burn the Audio CD. > >A bit more work is needed to make the creation of CDs on FreeBSD >user friendly and the responsibilty for that falls more on the >authors of the CD tools. Re user friendly creation of CDs, have you tried the sysutils/gcombust port? works quite well for me... (using 3.2-stable.) Regards, -- Juergen Lock (remove dot foo from address to reply) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 17: 3:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92740153D0 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:03:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA32941; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:02:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908210002.RAA32941@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Juergen Lock Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: user friendly creation of CDs (was: Re: patches for tosha?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:32:44 +0200." <199908202032.WAA88359@saturn.kn-bremen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:02:07 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yes, I tried gcombust and opted for the command line approach gcombust looks great ;however, I expect for user firiendly land less knobs for instance: burn iso 9660 cd Select files or directories type of CD : CD-R , CD-RW then pull the appropiate information for buffering and optimal speed from a database. You need something special to burn your CD ? pull out the "expert" tab menus. If I showed gcombust to Bettina , she would snap you got to be kidding and I have to confess that she is right. She already ask me is the system ready for you and I had to respond sorry not quite there yet you will have to wait about a week and she responded thats not bad take your time . Sometimes being the hacker of the house is not an easy task 8) Cheers -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 17:11:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from unix2.it-datacntr.louisville.edu (unix2.it-datacntr.louisville.edu [136.165.4.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6B714DF3 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:11:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from k.stevenson@louisville.edu) Received: from homer.louisville.edu (ktstev01@homer.louisville.edu [136.165.1.20]) by unix2.it-datacntr.louisville.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA55006; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:11:00 -0400 Received: (from ktstev01@localhost) by homer.louisville.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04912; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990820201051.B3664@homer.louisville.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:10:51 -0400 From: Keith Stevenson To: Oscar Bonilla Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 References: <19990820235025.K21346@paert.tse-online.de> <19990820161142.C673@fisicc-ufm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19990820161142.C673@fisicc-ufm.edu>; from Oscar Bonilla on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 04:11:42PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 04:11:42PM -0600, Oscar Bonilla wrote: > > I haven't seen Andrzej's screensaver, but if it is about those > green letters that fall from the top of the screen (aka the matrix) > then xlock already includes a module for this... I'm using it on my > laptop.. I like Andrzej's module a _lot_ better than the xlock module. It looks (IMO) more like the screen from the movie and doesn't eat all of my CPU cycles. --Keith Stevenson-- -- Keith Stevenson System Programmer - Data Center Services - University of Louisville k.stevenson@louisville.edu PGP key fingerprint = 4B 29 A8 95 A8 82 EA A2 29 CE 68 DE FC EE B6 A0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 18:30: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from monster.abyss.net (dark.abyss.net [207.198.22.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E27B153CA for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ksb@abyss.net) Received: from nightmare.abyss.net (ksb@nightmare.abyss.net [10.0.0.3]) by monster.abyss.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA43448; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:18:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ksb@abyss.net) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:28:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kevin S. Brackett" To: Keith Stevenson Cc: Oscar Bonilla , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 In-Reply-To: <19990820201051.B3664@homer.louisville.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Keith Stevenson wrote: > On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 04:11:42PM -0600, Oscar Bonilla wrote: > > > > I haven't seen Andrzej's screensaver, but if it is about those > > green letters that fall from the top of the screen (aka the matrix) > > then xlock already includes a module for this... I'm using it on my > > laptop.. > > I like Andrzej's module a _lot_ better than the xlock module. It looks (IMO) > more like the screen from the movie and doesn't eat all of my CPU cycles. > > --Keith Stevenson-- > Agreed, my friends (who were much larger fans of the movie then I (they've seen it multiple times and I've only seen it once)) were shocked (actually outright amazed in awe) when I showed them it. Now all I have to do is find that perfect looking blond from reading the code... ;) - kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 18:34:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403DF15360 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:34:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA04889; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:33:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) From: John Polstra Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA22703; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:33:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908210133.SAA22703@vashon.polstra.com> To: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Subject: Re: cc -O broken in -current for Alpha KLDs In-Reply-To: <14269.25728.498019.956479@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <14268.1961.256187.86499@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <14269.25728.498019.956479@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Cc: current@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <14269.25728.498019.956479@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > I've just committed a patch to alpha/alpha/elf_machdep.c which takes > into account the addends for objects of type R_ALPHA_GLOB_DAT. This > fixes my problem. Should it be MFC'ed? Nice work! It looks right to me, not to mention that it now agrees with what the dynamic linker does. I think you should definitely bring it into -stable. For good form you might want to give it another day or two in -current first. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up." -- Nora Ephron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 22: 0:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7953E14F02 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:00:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id EAA27932; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 04:22:46 +0200 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199908210222.EAA27932@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: problem with vnconfig -s labels ... To: atrens@nortelnetworks.com (Andrew Atrens) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 04:22:46 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Atrens" at Aug 20, 99 02:14:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 480 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, > I've found panics are more likely to occur if the command pair is > executed in a script vs. from the command line. This may suggest some > sort of race is occurring. no idea... i have always managed to panic the system even running the commands from the command line one at a time, so i don't think it is a race. I think i also got the paninc trying a disklabel when the "vn" device was not in the kernel, but this one i had no time to reproduce. cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 22:11:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D7E15234 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:11:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA01667; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:11:42 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:11:41 +1000 From: John Birrell To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: Andrew Atrens , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problem with vnconfig -s labels ... Message-ID: <19990821151141.A281@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> References: <199908210222.EAA27932@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <199908210222.EAA27932@labinfo.iet.unipi.it>; from Luigi Rizzo on Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 04:22:46AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 04:22:46AM +0200, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > Hi, > > > I've found panics are more likely to occur if the command pair is > > executed in a script vs. from the command line. This may suggest some > > sort of race is occurring. > > no idea... i have always managed to panic the system even running the > commands from the command line one at a time, so i don't think it is a > race. > > I think i also got the paninc trying a disklabel when the "vn" device > was not in the kernel, but this one i had no time to reproduce. The problem is that disklabel executes code in subr_diskslice.c which does: dev1 = dkmodslice(dkmodpart(dev, RAW_PART), slice); The 'dev' structure has s_drv1 set correctly, but the 'dev1' entry has s_drv1 NULL. When vnstrategy() is called using dev1, vn = bp->b_dev->s_drv1 is NULL when it shouldn't be. The first time vn is referenced... fall down go boom. In my code (a bit similar to what picobsd is doing), I can open /dev/vn0, ioctl(fd,VNIOCATTACH,...), ioctl(fd,VNIOCUSET,...) and close without a problem. Execing '/sbin/disklabel -Brw /dev/rvn0 blah' causes the machine to panic. I've patched vnstrategy() to fail gracefully if bp->b_dev->s_drv1 is NULL, but I'm still looking for the place where the dev1 entry is supposed to be initialised. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 22:33:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6725D14D11 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:33:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id HAA11058; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 07:30:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: John Birrell Cc: Luigi Rizzo , Andrew Atrens , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problem with vnconfig -s labels ... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:11:41 +1000." <19990821151141.A281@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 07:30:46 +0200 Message-ID: <11056.935213446@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <19990821151141.A281@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au>, John Birrell writes: >The problem is that disklabel executes code in subr_diskslice.c which >does: > >dev1 = dkmodslice(dkmodpart(dev, RAW_PART), slice); > >The 'dev' structure has s_drv1 set correctly, but the 'dev1' entry >has s_drv1 NULL. When vnstrategy() is called using dev1, >vn = bp->b_dev->s_drv1 is NULL when it shouldn't be. The first time >vn is referenced... fall down go boom. Bingo, thats it. >but I'm still looking for the place >where the dev1 entry is supposed to be initialised. In dkmodslice() (and friends). -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 23: 3: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146C01540F for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:02:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA01819; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:04:05 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:04:04 +1000 From: John Birrell To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: John Birrell , Luigi Rizzo , Andrew Atrens , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problem with vnconfig -s labels ... Message-ID: <19990821160404.B281@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> References: <19990821151141.A281@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> <11056.935213446@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <11056.935213446@critter.freebsd.dk>; from Poul-Henning Kamp on Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 07:30:46AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 07:30:46AM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >but I'm still looking for the place > >where the dev1 entry is supposed to be initialised. > > In dkmodslice() (and friends). Hmmm, I know this is your code, but are you sure? 8-). My understanding of dkmodslice() and friends is that they manipulate dev_t entries, but don't actually initialise them. Since the subr_diskslice code takes a dev_t and goes off and accesses the raw partition entry, my guess is that vnopen() should check if the raw entry has been initialised, and if not do it, just like it does for the one you open. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 23:31:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E5114F29 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:31:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@godzilla.zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA05678; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:30:57 +1000 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:30:57 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199908210630.QAA05678@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: jb@cimlogic.com.au, phk@critter.freebsd.dk Subject: Re: problem with vnconfig -s labels ... Cc: atrens@nortelnetworks.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Hmmm, I know this is your code, but are you sure? 8-). My understanding of >dkmodslice() and friends is that they manipulate dev_t entries, but don't >actually initialise them. Since the subr_diskslice code takes a dev_t dkmodslice() once just manipulated bits in dev_t scalars. Now that dev_t is a pointer, dkmodslice() has to create something for the pointer to point to. That something needs to be fully initialised and not created more than once. The initialisation is apparently incomplete. Multiple creation is avoided by searching the list of previously created entries. Now I understand why my memory is filling up with unused dev_t entries :-). subr_diskslice churns through a not insignificant part of the per-drive minor number space (32 slices * 8 partitions * {raw, buffered}), using dkmodslice to create new dev_t's. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 23:34:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA01814F29 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:34:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA11222; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:31:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: John Birrell Cc: Luigi Rizzo , Andrew Atrens , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problem with vnconfig -s labels ... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:04:04 +1000." <19990821160404.B281@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:31:55 +0200 Message-ID: <11220.935217115@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <19990821160404.B281@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au>, John Birrell writes: >On Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 07:30:46AM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> >but I'm still looking for the place >> >where the dev1 entry is supposed to be initialised. >> >> In dkmodslice() (and friends). > >Hmmm, I know this is your code, but are you sure? 8-). My understanding of >dkmodslice() and friends is that they manipulate dev_t entries, but don't >actually initialise them. Since the subr_diskslice code takes a dev_t >and goes off and accesses the raw partition entry, my guess is that >vnopen() should check if the raw entry has been initialised, and if >not do it, just like it does for the one you open. That could be done too. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Fri Aug 20 23:40:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442CE14F29 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:40:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA11265; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:37:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Bruce Evans Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, atrens@nortelnetworks.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Subject: Re: problem with vnconfig -s labels ... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:30:57 +1000." <199908210630.QAA05678@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:37:50 +0200 Message-ID: <11263.935217470@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199908210630.QAA05678@godzilla.zeta.org.au>, Bruce Evans writes: >>Hmmm, I know this is your code, but are you sure? 8-). My understanding of >>dkmodslice() and friends is that they manipulate dev_t entries, but don't >>actually initialise them. Since the subr_diskslice code takes a dev_t > >dkmodslice() once just manipulated bits in dev_t scalars. Now that dev_t >is a pointer, dkmodslice() has to create something for the pointer to >point to. That something needs to be fully initialised and not created >more than once. The initialisation is apparently incomplete. Multiple >creation is avoided by searching the list of previously created entries. > >Now I understand why my memory is filling up with unused dev_t >entries :-). subr_diskslice churns through a not insignificant part >of the per-drive minor number space (32 slices * 8 partitions * {raw, >buffered}), using dkmodslice to create new dev_t's. yes, this is the remaining sticky issue, and the only cure I know for this and for the DEVFS issue is to relayer the slice/label processing out of the device driver entirely. This is now almost possible to do. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 0: 0:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C31A1505D for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:00:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA58557; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:59:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id AAA41616; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:59:19 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908210659.AAA41616@harmony.village.org> To: Amancio Hasty Subject: Re: [fwd] [fm/news] newsletter for Aug 18th 1999, 23:59 Cc: Hristo Grigorov , Dominic Mitchell , current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:33:00 PDT." <199908190733.AAA01860@rah.star-gate.com> References: <199908190733.AAA01860@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:59:19 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199908190733.AAA01860@rah.star-gate.com> Amancio Hasty writes: : It wouldn't surprise me if it was a linux fan who made the posting : and probably in reaction to the great success of Red Hat's IPO: : "They are making fortunes with my code!! " : Well thats what I read and I think it was on www.zdnet.com To read about silly FreeBSD folks, see http://dowjones.wsj.com/n/SB935005002680255800-d-main-c1.html I told the reporter when he asked me what I'm doing with Linux these days "I've moved on to FreeBSD." Warner P.S. Yes, they got the name of that Silly FreeBSD person wrong... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 0: 1:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 928CD15373 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:01:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA58583; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:01:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA41654; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:01:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908210701.BAA41654@harmony.village.org> To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: HEADS UP: at_shutdown going away Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:37:20 PDT." <199908190737.AAA04137@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <199908190737.AAA04137@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:01:35 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199908190737.AAA04137@dingo.cdrom.com> Mike Smith writes: : Seriously though, I'm in the process of replacing a number of the : ad-hoc event handler callout lists in the kernel (most notably the : at_shutdown and apm* lists) with a generic implementation. Shouldn't the apm stuff use the new-bus hooks? I've migraded a couple of uses in pccard to using that now that I have newbus node to hang them off of... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 0: 8:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2ACB1505D for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:08:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA58608; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:07:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA41698; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:07:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908210707.BAA41698@harmony.village.org> To: "Matt Crawford" Subject: Re: Strange notebook boot misbehaviour. Cc: Mike Nowlin , Maxim Sobolev , current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:55:15 CDT." <199908191955.OAA16335@gungnir.fnal.gov> References: <199908191955.OAA16335@gungnir.fnal.gov> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:07:10 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199908191955.OAA16335@gungnir.fnal.gov> "Matt Crawford" writes: : On the Sony 505 mailing list, this was noted and said to be due to : Windows leaving the ethernet chip in some APM-related suspended : state. I've had problems with my Sony Notebook (my 505-TS) after running windows... A power cycle fixes that... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 0:13:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A697015373 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:13:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA58632; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:11:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA41758; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:11:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908210711.BAA41758@harmony.village.org> To: Sheldon Hearn Subject: Re: REQ: Test /etc/rc clean-up Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:19:10 +0200." <21889.935137150@axl.noc.iafrica.com> References: <21889.935137150@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:11:20 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <21889.935137150@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sheldon Hearn writes: : -if [ X$start_vinum = XYES ]; then : +if [ X"${start_vinum}" = X"YES" ]; then I never understood why you check against X"YES"? XYES always seemed much better than X"YES" since the latter is somewhat obscure. Both are identical... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 0:13:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373A215A89 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:13:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA02017; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:47:46 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:47:46 +1000 From: John Birrell To: Bruce Evans Cc: jb@cimlogic.com.au, phk@critter.freebsd.dk, atrens@nortelnetworks.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Subject: Re: problem with vnconfig -s labels ... Message-ID: <19990821164745.C281@freebsd1.cimlogic.com.au> References: <199908210630.QAA05678@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <199908210630.QAA05678@godzilla.zeta.org.au>; from Bruce Evans on Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 04:30:57PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 04:30:57PM +1000, Bruce Evans wrote: > >Hmmm, I know this is your code, but are you sure? 8-). My understanding of > >dkmodslice() and friends is that they manipulate dev_t entries, but don't > >actually initialise them. Since the subr_diskslice code takes a dev_t > > dkmodslice() once just manipulated bits in dev_t scalars. Now that dev_t > is a pointer, dkmodslice() has to create something for the pointer to > point to. That something needs to be fully initialised and not created > more than once. The initialisation is apparently incomplete. Multiple > creation is avoided by searching the list of previously created entries. I agree that something has to create something for the dev_t pointer to point to, but I thought that it would be the device code that would do that. I've only looked at this from the perspective of vn, since that is what is biting me 8-). -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 0:14:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BB315373 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:14:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA58637; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:13:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA41778; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:13:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908210713.BAA41778@harmony.village.org> To: sobomax@altavista.net Subject: Re: Strange notebook boot misbehaviour. Cc: Greg Lehey , Matt Crawford , current@FreeBSD.ORG, Mike Nowlin In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:52:23 +0300." <37BD2557.EE942022@altavista.net> References: <37BD2557.EE942022@altavista.net> <199908191955.OAA16335@gungnir.fnal.gov> <37BC15F4.9ABEFC48@altavista.net> <19990820090207.D14964@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:13:13 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <37BD2557.EE942022@altavista.net> Maxim Sobolev writes: : > > Card inserted, slot 1 : > > : > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ - Hangs after this message!!! I saw this once or twice on my 505TS when I had a bad IRQ for the pcic device. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 0:27:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F5515373 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:27:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-2-91.ucdavis.edu [169.237.16.219]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01920 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:27:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id AAA57585 for current@freebsd.org; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:27:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:27:14 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: current@freebsd.org Subject: **HEADS UP** libreadline version number reverted Message-ID: <19990821002034.A57519@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 28-May-1999 libreadline was upgraded from readline-2.2 to readline-4.0. At that time the shared library major version number was bumped from "3" to "4". It has been deemed that the interface change between readline-2.2 and readline-4.0 was not suffient to warrant the version number bump. Thus I have reverted it back to "3". You will need to perform the below immediately before your next ``make world'': cd /usr/lib ls -l libreadline.so.4 (if you have /usr/lib/libreadline.so.4) mv libreadline.so.4 libreadline.so.3 rm -f libreadline.so ln -s libreadline.so.3 libreadline.so -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 1:12:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F6414F27 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:10:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA34845; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:09:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908210809.BAA34845@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Warner Losh Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fwd] [fm/news] newsletter for Aug 18th 1999, 23:59 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:59:19 MDT." <199908210659.AAA41616@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:09:43 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Linux land does not look so pretty now days ... Playing with Sun's java jre on linux. Ran jre libgc on redhat 6.0 no problem. slackware 4.0 appears to only like jre libc Suse 6.1 does not like either jre libc nore jre libgc. So on.... My customer should ship an entire linux box with their product 8) Be Happy -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 1:31:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.111.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A539F14D11; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:31:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at) Received: from alphard (alphard [128.130.111.37]) by vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00440; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:27:46 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:27:45 +0200 (MET DST) From: Gerald Pfeifer To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Known MMAP() race conditions ... ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > Three weeks ago, I, and a few other INN administrators, posted about > FreeBSD -STABLE's inability to run the newest INN code, due to MMAP() race > conditions...essentially, after X hours of run time, on a heavily loaded > INN server, the whole thing locks up solid. > > At that time, Matt pop'd up and stated that he knew of *at least* 6 MMAP() > related race conditions that he was hoping to be able to get fixed "within > a week"...that would have been two weeks ago. Maybe I missed that (I'm only on -stable, not -current), but what's the current situation concerning this issue? Can I dare running the newest INN on -STABLE / -CURRENT or do you still experience these problems? Gerald -- Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 2: 1: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D7114FB6 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:00:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-3-41.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.41]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA02220; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:57:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id BAA58125; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:57:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:57:44 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Richard Cownie Cc: tich@par28.ma.ikos.com, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gdb-4.17 in FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Message-ID: <19990821015744.B57737@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <99082010412803.11889@par28.ma.ikos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <99082010412803.11889@par28.ma.ikos.com>; from Richard Cownie on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 10:28:04AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I managed to build gdb-4.17 in FreeBSD 4.0, here's how to do it: ... > Then it should all build (and perhaps work). The same hacks probably apply > to gdb-4.18 and gdb-current (but so far gdb-4.17 is the most useful version > I've seen for debugging C++). Are you saying 4.17 is better than 4.18 for debugging C++? Or are you saying you didn't know FreeBSD comes with gdb: $ which gdb gdb is hashed (/usr/bin/gdb) $ gdb --version GNU gdb 4.18 Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc. ... -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 2: 2:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB1714FE8 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:02:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-3-41.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.41]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02404; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:02:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id CAA58157; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:02:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:02:36 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Amancio Hasty Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How To Burn CDs Message-ID: <19990821020236.C57737@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <199908200937.CAA27602@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199908200937.CAA27602@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 02:37:33AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > "Another possibility, if you have the RAM, is to use the team(1) > program (it's in the ports) to buffer the data as it goes to the burner. Any reason not to use ``cdrecord -fs=64m'' (or some simular size) -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 2: 8:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B110C14C9C; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:08:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA70590; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:14:39 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:14:39 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cc -O broken in -current for Alpha KLDs In-Reply-To: <14269.25728.498019.956479@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Doug Rabson writes: > > On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > > > > I do most of my development on alphas & I just turned some local code > > > into a loadable kernel module. It works fine when compiled into the > > > kernel statically, but fails miserably when loaded into an alpha > > > kernel as a module. This alpha is running -current from monday or > > > so. > > > > > > After a day or so of debugging, I decided to run > > > it on an x86 -- it ran just fine. I've narrowed the problem down to > > > one involving optimization and have extracted a simple, reproducable > > > test case. > > > > > > When the test module is loaded without optimization (CFLAGS += -g > > > -O0), it prints the following (which is correct): > > > > It looks like we aren't handling the relocations correctly. When I get a > > chance, I will try to look at it. If you want to have another look, the > > code at fault is probably in alpha/alpha/elf_machdep.c and you can get a > > list of relocations in the module with 'objdump --dynamic-reloc foo.ko'. > > Thanks for the pointer, it was right on the money. It turns out that > at the default optimization level, the objdump output looks like this: > > <...> > 0000000000010ea8 RELATIVE *ABS* > 0000000000010e80 GLOB_DAT Xmit_completes+0x0000000000000028 > 0000000000010e88 GLOB_DAT Xmit_completes+0x0000000000000008 > 0000000000010e90 GLOB_DAT Xmit_completes+0x0000000000000010 > 0000000000010e98 GLOB_DAT Xmit_completes+0x0000000000000018 > 0000000000010ea0 GLOB_DAT Xmit_completes > 0000000000010e70 JMP_SLOT printf > <...> > > I've just committed a patch to alpha/alpha/elf_machdep.c which takes > into account the addends for objects of type R_ALPHA_GLOB_DAT. This > fixes my problem. Should it be MFC'ed? I think it can be MFC'ed right away. There are no dependancies on the rest of the system and its a serious problem. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 2: 8:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 910F714DB7 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:08:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-3-41.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.41]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02452; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:05:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id CAA58197; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:05:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:05:12 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Werner Griessl Cc: Freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To Burn CDs Message-ID: <19990821020512.D57737@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199908200937.CAA27602@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Werner Griessl on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 01:04:47PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 01:04:47PM +0200, Werner Griessl wrote: Werner, like you we all got 246 line email message. You did not have to quote the *ENTIRE* thing back to us just to add 3 lines. If you don't have the time to trim, we don't have the time to read your reply. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 2: 8:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from server.amis.net (server.amis.net [212.18.32.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739AE155F4 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:08:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blaz@gold.amis.net) Received: by server.amis.net (Postfix, from userid 66) id D706CD5E2F; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:07:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gold.amis.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A605517; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:04:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gold.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93ED81E43 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:04:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:04:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Blaz Zupan To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Forgotten debug messages in ahc Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After compiling yesterday's -current kernel, I see the following in dmesg: ... ahc0: aic7880 SBLKCTL = 0x0 SSTAT0 = 0x0 SFUNCT = 0x0 Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ... Notice the "SBLKCTL"... stuff. I guess this is some forgotten debug printf left, or am I mistaken? Blaz Zupan, blaz@amis.net, http://www.herbie.amis.net Medinet d.o.o., Linhartova 21, 2000 Maribor, Slovenia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 2:31:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE5815022; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:31:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA35279; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:29:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908210929.CAA35279@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: obrien@freebsd.org Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How To Burn CDs In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:02:36 PDT." <19990821020236.C57737@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:29:50 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you have the physical memory sure however if you don't then you will start swapping and most likely your cd recording will fail. Hence my recommendation for a small size buffer. And to the list. Please keep the comments or suggestions rolling and hopefully by early next we will have a nice "How To Burn CD " document. Cheers > > "Another possibility, if you have the RAM, is to use the team(1) > > program (it's in the ports) to buffer the data as it goes to the burner. > > Any reason not to use ``cdrecord -fs=64m'' (or some simular size) > > -- > -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 2:36:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274D214EBE; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:36:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA35304; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:34:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908210934.CAA35304@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Werner Griessl , Freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To Burn CDs In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:05:12 PDT." <19990821020512.D57737@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:34:29 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >If you don't have the time to trim, we don't have the time to read your Easy , Easy we are coming along fine so far so please keep the flame temperature down. If you are compelled or annoyed at the poster send him private e-mail and possibly a pointer to net - etiguette. If you do it nicely you may actually make a long term friend ... Cheers -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 3:31:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE7114DC9 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 03:31:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA44285; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:29:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <199908211029.MAA44285@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: ATA - Trouble mounting secondary master In-Reply-To: <199908120301.UAA00649@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Aug 11, 1999 8: 1:33 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:29:47 +0200 (CEST) Cc: geoffr@is.co.za, brian@pobox.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems Mike Smith wrote: > > Our boot blocks/loader dont have the needed computrons to use the > > "ad" device name. However I have some patches to boot2 that allows > > to boot off an ad root device, provided you dont use the loader, and > > put the rigth boot string in boot.config. > > This should now be totally redundant as long as your /etc/fstab entry > is correct. Define "correct" then please, it doesn't work for my definition... -Current as of aug 21th... If I have this in my fstab: /dev/ad0a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad0f /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0e /var ufs rw 2 2 And have NO wd* entries in /dev, it says on boot: Changing root device to wd0s1a Changing root device to wd0a ... mount: /dev/ad0a on / special device does not match mounted device. Bummer! If however I have a /dev/wd0a it will mount that and show that in a mount/df command, but then it doesn't fit what it is written in /etc/fstab and that is bogus too... So I still stick with my statement that the -current bootblocks/loader doesn't have the computrons needed to use the ad device (or any non wd/da/fd device for that matter) for anything usefull :) -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 5: 0: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dyson.iquest.net. (iq-ind-dns003-90.iquest.net [198.70.149.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDE614FA3; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 04:59:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@dyson.iquest.net) Received: (from toor@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net. (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA20231; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 06:56:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) Message-Id: <199908211156.GAA20231@dyson.iquest.net.> Subject: Re: NFS HEADS UP (was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/nfs nfsm_subs.h xdr_subs.h) In-Reply-To: <199908191829.LAA57025@apollo.backplane.com> from Matthew Dillon at "Aug 19, 1999 11:29:31 am" To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com (Matthew Dillon) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 06:56:38 -0500 (EST) Cc: bright@rush.net (Alfred Perlstein), eivind@FreeBSD.ORG (Eivind Eklund), peter@FreeBSD.ORG (Peter Wemm), current@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@iquest.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon said: > :> global references across subroutine calls! I'll send Luoqi another email. > :> > :> In the case of the NFS stuff, the changes have been pretty well tested > :> so I think we are in the clear. > : > :On a somewhat similar note, what do you think about converting a lot > :of the NFS macros to functions, yes i know it will be difficult, but > :there is so much forced inlining it just seems like it would reduce > :the codesize signifigantly and play nicer with the CPU cache. > : > :It would also make the code a lot more readable. > : > :Worthwhile exercise? > : > :-Alfred Perlstein - [bright@rush.net|bright@wintelcom.net] > > Well, the issue with converting many of the macros to inline functions > is with the embedded goto's and references to variables defined outside > the macros. Converting them to functions would basically require > rewriting a huge chunk of NFS code. > My working kernel runs with a few strategic NFS macros being converted to functions, and the size improvement is about 50K or so (maybe more!!!) John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 5:20: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FB914E95 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 05:19:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA41956; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:06:58 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21770; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:26:23 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:26:23 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 Message-ID: <19990821102623.A20997@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrzej Bialecki on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 07:34:31PM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 07:34:31PM +0200, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > Both versions are available at: > > http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/matrix_3.2.tgz > http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/matrix_4.0.tgz I knew I should have taken the blue pill. FWIW, there are at least two other 'matrix' implementations out there. One is part of xscreensaver, and is quite nice -- it's even better if you halve the size of the image it's using first. This has the advantage that the characters actually look like the ones in the film (reversed numbers and Japanese katana (sp?) characters). That one's (obviously) X only. The other is 'cmatrix'. A web search should turn it up. As the name implies, this is a console version. N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 7:18:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from boco.fee.vutbr.cz (boco.fee.vutbr.cz [147.229.9.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1031510F for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 07:18:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cejkar@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz) Received: from kazi.dcse.fee.vutbr.cz (kazi.dcse.fee.vutbr.cz [147.229.8.12]) by boco.fee.vutbr.cz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA99776 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:16:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.dcse.fee.vutbr.cz (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26392 for current@freebsd.org; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:16:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:16:22 +0200 From: Cejka Rudolf To: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VESA module doesn't work with ATI Mach64 RagePro Message-ID: <19990821161622.A26196@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz> References: <19990810083749.A55581@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz> <199908120218.TAA00452@dingo.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <199908120218.TAA00452@dingo.cdrom.com>; from Mike Smith on Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 07:18:09PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote (1999/08/11): > > Yes, thanks. Information reported by 0x4F01 function about any video > > mode has set MODE_NON_VGA attribute indeed. And now I have found DOS TSR > > program for VESA support... > > Bleagh. Have you tried ignoring that attribute in our code and seeing > what happens when you select one? Yes - in vesa.c(681-683): From if ((vmode.v_modeattr & (V_MODEOPTINFO | V_MODENONVGA)) != (V_MODEOPTINFO)) continue; to if ((vmode.v_modeattr & (V_MODEOPTINFO)) != (V_MODEOPTINFO)) continue; After this change, splash_pcx with picture 640x480x8 blanks screen and OSD on monitor says "ATTN. NO SIGNAL.: CHECK INPUT SIGNAL CONNECTION OR POWER SAVE MODE HAS BEEN ENABLED". From this time displaying is dead and vidcontrol (ssh root@host "/usr/sbin/vidcontrol 80x25 < /dev/ttyv0") doesn't help, only reboot is helpful... -- Rudolf Cejka (cejkar@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz; http://www.fee.vutbr.cz/~cejkar) Brno University of Technology, Faculty of El. Engineering and Comp. Science Bozetechova 2, 612 66 Brno, Czech Republic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 8:43:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from blue-chalk.Stanford.EDU (blue-chalk.Stanford.EDU [171.64.99.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2179E14C09 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:43:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yergeau@gloworm.Stanford.EDU) Received: from localhost (yergeau@localhost) by blue-chalk.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15672; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908211543.IAA15672@blue-chalk.Stanford.EDU> To: Tamiji Homma Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ping/egcs Reply-To: yergeau@gloworm.stanford.edu In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:40:22 MST." <19990820094022B.thomma@baynetworks.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:43:15 -0700 From: Dan Yergeau Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm assuming that you are using egcs-1.1.2. gcc-2.95 seems to work OK. It doesn't discard the initialization of answer like egcs-1.1.2 does. Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 8:47:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6874714C09 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:47:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-2-2.ucdavis.edu [169.237.16.130]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07285; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:45:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA85854; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:45:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:45:50 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Amancio Hasty Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How To Burn CDs Message-ID: <19990821084550.D56777@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <19990821020236.C57737@dragon.nuxi.com> <199908210929.CAA35279@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199908210929.CAA35279@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 02:29:50AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If you have the physical memory sure however if you don't then > you will start swapping and most likely your cd recording will > fail. > > Hence my recommendation for a small size buffer. Then there is no advantage in using `team' vs. ``cdrecord -fs=XX'', right? -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 8:53:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from home.dragondata.com (home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72F514F12; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:53:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toasty@dragondata.com) Received: from dino (dino [204.137.237.6]) by home.dragondata.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA24027; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:53:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990821105211.00ac6270@nfs.dragondata.com> X-Sender: toasty@nfs.dragondata.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:53:45 -0500 To: Nik Clayton , Andrzej Bialecki From: Kevin Day Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19990821102623.A20997@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 10:26 AM 8/21/99 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: >On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 07:34:31PM +0200, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > Both versions are available at: > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/matrix_3.2.tgz > > http://www.freebsd.org/~abial/matrix_4.0.tgz >FWIW, there are at least two other 'matrix' implementations out there. >One is part of xscreensaver, and is quite nice -- it's even better if you >halve the size of the image it's using first. This has the advantage that >the characters actually look like the ones in the film (reversed numbers >and Japanese katana (sp?) characters). That one's (obviously) X only. > >The other is 'cmatrix'. A web search should turn it up. As the name >implies, this is a console version. For those of you using Windows or MacOs.... http://www.whatisthematrix.com/cmp/screensaver_index.html That's the 'official' screen saver. (The Windows version uses some kind of runtime ShockWave and eats nearly 100% cpu, but it looks authentic) Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 8:54:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F547151BB for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:54:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-2-2.ucdavis.edu [169.237.16.130]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07327; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:54:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA85894; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:54:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:54:03 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Doug Cc: Sheldon Hearn , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: REQ: Test /etc/rc clean-up Message-ID: <19990821085403.A85868@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <21889.935137150@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 11:59:05AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > However I'd REALLY like to emphasize again that if we're going to do > this the proper fix is to use case wherever possible. There are > numerous reasons for this, not the least of which are making the > variable case insensitive (and therefore more user friendly) I have to really agree with Doug here. I've seen people use "foo=yes" (vs. "foo=YES") in their rc.conf. They got frustrated when things didn't work. And in IMHO for a no good reason. > I have offered several times to do the work if it has a chance of > being committed, that offer is still good. What do you think Sheldon? -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 9: 5:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from pozo.com (pozo.com [216.101.162.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19BB14F10 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:05:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@pacbell.net) Received: from dual (dual.pozo.com [216.101.162.51]) by pozo.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21203 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:03:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mantar@pacbell.net) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990821090049.00a35b80@216.101.162.50> X-Sender: null@216.101.162.50 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:03:46 -0700 To: current@freebsd.org From: Manfred Antar Subject: Current Kernel build broken Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG With current source tree as of 9 am pacific, I can no longer build a kernel : cc -c -O2 -Os -pipe -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DKERNEL -include opt_glob al.h -elf ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c: In function `dpt_get_conf': ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c:389: warning: cast discards `volatile' from pointer tar get type ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c: In function `dpt_detect_cache': ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c:496: warning: cast discards `volatile' from pointer tar get type ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c: In function `dpt_init': ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c:1187: warning: cast discards `volatile' from pointer ta rget type ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c: In function `dpt_attach': ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c:1410: warning: implicit declaration of function `EVENTH ANDLER_REGISTER' ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c:1410: `shutdown_final' undeclared (first use in this fu nction) ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c:1410: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c:1410: for each function it appears in.) ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c:1411: `SHUTDOWN_PRI_DEFAULT' undeclared (first use in t his function) *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/compile/pro2. ===================== || mantar@pacbell.net || || Ph. (415) 681-6235 || ===================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 9:43:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F06114F64; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:43:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA73693; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:42:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:42:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908211642.JAA73693@apollo.backplane.com> To: Gerald Pfeifer Cc: The Hermit Hacker , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Known MMAP() race conditions ... ? References: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, The Hermit Hacker wrote: :> Three weeks ago, I, and a few other INN administrators, posted about :> FreeBSD -STABLE's inability to run the newest INN code, due to MMAP() race :> conditions...essentially, after X hours of run time, on a heavily loaded :> INN server, the whole thing locks up solid. :> :> At that time, Matt pop'd up and stated that he knew of *at least* 6 MMAP() :> related race conditions that he was hoping to be able to get fixed "within :> a week"...that would have been two weeks ago. : :Maybe I missed that (I'm only on -stable, not -current), but what's the :current situation concerning this issue? : :Can I dare running the newest INN on -STABLE / -CURRENT or do you still :experience these problems? : :Gerald :-- :Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/ I've had fixes for CURRENT in the commit queue for a week but they haven't gone in yet. Once they get put in we will be able to backport the interesting parts to STABLE. There isn't much I can do about it without commit privs. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 9:51:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B562214F64; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:51:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA73759; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:49:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:49:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908211649.JAA73759@apollo.backplane.com> To: "John S. Dyson" Cc: bright@rush.net (Alfred Perlstein), eivind@FreeBSD.ORG (Eivind Eklund), peter@FreeBSD.ORG (Peter Wemm), current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NFS HEADS UP (was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/nfs nfsm_subs.h xdr_subs.h) References: <199908211156.GAA20231@dyson.iquest.net.> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> Well, the issue with converting many of the macros to inline functions :> is with the embedded goto's and references to variables defined outside :> the macros. Converting them to functions would basically require :> rewriting a huge chunk of NFS code. :> :My working kernel runs with a few strategic NFS macros being converted :to functions, and the size improvement is about 50K or so (maybe more!!!) : :John If you want to port some of it in that part of the source tree will be available in a month or two, depending on how quickly the other stuff in my queue gets committed. I've got two patch sets currently under test related to other NFS issues and a third one in the wings. Hey, speaking of NFS ... I'm working on optimizing the commit rpc and I noticed something interesting. The commit rpc includes an offset and a length field. Does anyone know why our NFS clients are sending a separate RPC for each 8K buffer? If the dirty space is contiguous across a number of buffers we should be able to send a *SINGLE* commit rpc to the server. That would greatly reduce system overhead on both the client and server when writing a large file over NFS. This would seem to be an almost free optimization that would mesh extremely well with the nfsrv_commit optimizations I'm making right now. At the moment I can saturate a 100BaseTX with NFS writes and get 10 MBytes/sec to the platter on the server, but the cpu required on both the client and server to do that is well over 60% of a Pentium III-450. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 11:47:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CEC8152ED; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:47:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id UAA05591; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:41:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA96003; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:17:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wilko) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199908211017.MAA96003@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: How To Burn CDs In-Reply-To: <19990821020236.C57737@dragon.nuxi.com> from "David O'Brien" at "Aug 21, 1999 2: 2:36 am" To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:15:57 +0200 (CEST) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As David O'Brien wrote ... > > "Another possibility, if you have the RAM, is to use the team(1) > > program (it's in the ports) to buffer the data as it goes to the burner. > > Any reason not to use ``cdrecord -fs=64m'' (or some simular size) Any reason to? I mean, I never had to go over the default cdrecord uses. But I only have a 2x writer and I generally create an iso image file first. YMMV -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands - Powered by FreeBSD - |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 12: 9:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from tasogare.imasy.or.jp (tasogare.imasy.or.jp [202.227.24.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF1214C84 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:09:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (isdn35.imasy.or.jp [202.227.24.227]) by tasogare.imasy.or.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W-tasogare/smtpfeed 1.01) with ESMTP id EAA24374; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:08:39 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <199908211908.EAA24374@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> To: kfarmer@sympatico.ca Cc: iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: apm problems. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 04:56:47 +0000" <37B8EB8F.F7DA55B1@sympatico.ca> References: <37B8EB8F.F7DA55B1@sympatico.ca> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:12:09 +0900 From: Mitsuru IWASAKI X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 58 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, sorry to late. > > 1. Standby by PM timer in BIOS setting fails with the system activity. > > If by fails you mean enters standby mode, then yes the computer enters > standby mode while the system is active, after the period of time set in > the bios, as long as no keys have been pressed on the keyboard during > that time. Ah, If you want to reject the standby request from BIOS while the system is active, then apmd would be useful. You can configure it like this: in /etc/apmd.conf: apm_event PMEV_STANDBYREQ { reject; } or apm_event PMEV_STANDBYREQ { exec "/etc/rc.standby_with_system_activity"; } with /etc/rc.standby_with_system_activity: #!/bin/sh if [ some_script_to_check_system_is_active ] then # apmd will reject the event... exit 1 fi > > 2. No new process can be started after resume. > > Is it correct? > > Yes, although this doesn't happen every time, sometimes everything is ok > after a resume. > This seems to be very repeatable following these steps. > > cd /usr/bin > cp * /tmp & > sleep 1 && apm -z (while copy is still in progress) > [hit a key] > any new process started freezes, nothing happens (including logins in > getty, halt etc). I tried these steps many times, but I couldn't see the problem. I guess your disks are still in a SLEEP after a resume or I/O interrupts were lost during suspend/resume or something. Anyone suggestions? > ata0: master: setting up WDMA2 mode on PIIX3/4 chip OK > ad0: ATA-? disk at ata0 as master > ad0: 1222MB (2503872 sectors), 2484 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S > ad0: piomode=4, dmamode=2, udmamode=-1 > ad0: 16 secs/int, 0 depth queue, DMA mode If your problem is related with disks, have you tried wd device driver instead of ata? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 12:10: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from tasogare.imasy.or.jp (tasogare.imasy.or.jp [202.227.24.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8FD14CB5 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:09:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (isdn35.imasy.or.jp [202.227.24.227]) by tasogare.imasy.or.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W-tasogare/smtpfeed 1.01) with ESMTP id EAA24420; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:08:47 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <199908211908.EAA24420@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> To: plm@xs4all.nl Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: recent apm changes In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:36:53 +0200 (CEST)" <14264.30309.862889.493890@muon.xs4all.nl> References: <14264.30309.862889.493890@muon.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:12:18 +0900 From: Mitsuru IWASAKI X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 7 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG plm> If I use 'zzz', I have to do the known 'sleep 1; zzz' trick. This is plm> the difference. I'll commit the patch for `key release event prevent suspend' problem if no objections. Thanks a lot! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 12:12:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE00314CB5 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:12:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA15581 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:12:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: current@freebsd.org Subject: if_de.c breakage ? From: Poul-Henning Kamp Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:12:08 +0200 Message-ID: <15579.935262728@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Am I the only one to see these ? critter# make cc -c -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf ../../pci/if_de.c ../../pci/if_de.c: In function `tulip_pci_attach': ../../pci/if_de.c:5316: warning: implicit declaration of function `EVENTHANDLER_REGISTER' ../../pci/if_de.c:5316: `shutdown_post_sync' undeclared (first use in this function) ../../pci/if_de.c:5316: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ../../pci/if_de.c:5316: for each function it appears in.) ../../pci/if_de.c:5317: `SHUTDOWN_PRI_DEFAULT' undeclared (first use in this function) *** Error code 1 Stop. critter# -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 12:12:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from tasogare.imasy.or.jp (tasogare.imasy.or.jp [202.227.24.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D980A14F36 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:12:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (isdn2.imasy.or.jp [202.227.24.194]) by tasogare.imasy.or.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W-tasogare/smtpfeed 1.01) with ESMTP id EAA25036; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:12:13 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <199908211912.EAA25036@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> To: plm@xs4all.nl Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: recent apm changes In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:36:44 +0200 (CEST)" <14264.30300.546811.726638@muon.xs4all.nl> References: <14264.30300.546811.726638@muon.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:15:40 +0900 From: Mitsuru IWASAKI X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 56 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry to late... plm> Now suspend works. However still the disks keep spinning until they plm> reach their BIOS timeout. In Linux & Windows, there is some hook when plm> going to suspend mode that spins down the (IDE) disks. This is nice, plm> since it is well possible that you go to suspend but do not set a disk plm> spindown timeout. I read linux source code closely again, I found their hack in IDE device driver. Does anyone know this could make differences on suspending? From linux/drivers/block/ide.c Version 6.18 August 16, 1998: void ide_intr (int irq, void *dev_id, struct pt_regs *regs) { unsigned long flags; ide_hwgroup_t *hwgroup = (ide_hwgroup_t *)dev_id; ide_hwif_t *hwif; ide_drive_t *drive; ide_handler_t *handler; __cli(); /* local CPU only */ spin_lock_irqsave(&hwgroup->spinlock, flags); hwif = hwgroup->hwif; if ((handler = hwgroup->handler) == NULL || hwgroup->poll_timeout != 0) { /* * Not expecting an interrupt from this drive. * That means this could be: * (1) an interrupt from another PCI device * sharing the same PCI INT# as us. * or (2) a drive just entered sleep or standby mode, * and is interrupting to let us know. * or (3) a spurious interrupt of unknown origin. * * For PCI, we cannot tell the difference, * so in that case we just ignore it and hope it goes away. */ #ifdef CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEPCI if (IDE_PCI_DEVID_EQ(hwif->pci_devid, IDE_PCI_DEVID_NULL)) #endif /* CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEPCI */ { /* * Probably not a shared PCI interrupt, * so we can safely try to do something about it: */ (void)ide_ack_intr(hwif->io_ports[IDE_STATUS_OFFSET], hwif->io_ports[IDE_IRQ_OFFSET]); unexpected_intr(irq, hwgroup); } spin_unlock_irqrestore(&hwgroup->spinlock, flags); return; } ... but I've seen this kind of hack in wd device driver before. How about spin down from userland (apmd) using camcontrol(8) like tool? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 12:19: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from tasogare.imasy.or.jp (tasogare.imasy.or.jp [202.227.24.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B3A14C16; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:19:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (isdn9.imasy.or.jp [202.227.24.201]) by tasogare.imasy.or.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W-tasogare/smtpfeed 1.01) with ESMTP id EAA25846; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:18:58 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from iwasaki@jp.FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <199908211918.EAA25846@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> To: phk@freebsd.org Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: if_de.c breakage ? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:12:08 +0200" <15579.935262728@critter.freebsd.dk> References: <15579.935262728@critter.freebsd.dk> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:22:23 +0900 From: Mitsuru IWASAKI X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 8 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, my mentor :-) phk> Am I the only one to see these ? Me too. I found it other files as well. It seems that adding following line is required in some source code. #include To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 12:23:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from cs.rpi.edu (mumble.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BEB914BD7 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:23:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crossd@cs.rpi.edu) Received: from cs.rpi.edu (monica.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.7.2]) by cs.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30880 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908211921.PAA30880@cs.rpi.edu> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: panic early in boot, no dumpon Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:21:26 -0400 From: "David E. Cross" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am purposely panic()ing the system early in boot so I can get a look at some startup information... unfortunately the 'config kernel dumps on...' no longer works. how is one supposed to get crash dumps from early in the boot process? -- David Cross | email: crossd@cs.rpi.edu Systems Administrator/Research Programmer | Web: http://www.cs.rpi.edu/~crossd Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, | Ph: 518.276.2860 Department of Computer Science | Fax: 518.276.4033 I speak only for myself. | WinNT:Linux::Linux:FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 12:30:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CEBB14C16 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:30:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-4-21.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.149]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08081; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:30:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA31648; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:30:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:30:09 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Wilko Bulte Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To Burn CDs Message-ID: <19990821123009.H56777@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <19990821020236.C57737@dragon.nuxi.com> <199908211017.MAA96003@yedi.iaf.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <199908211017.MAA96003@yedi.iaf.nl>; from Wilko Bulte on Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 12:15:57PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > "Another possibility, if you have the RAM, is to use the team(1) > > > program (it's in the ports) to buffer the data as it goes to the burner. > > > > Any reason not to use ``cdrecord -fs=64m'' (or some simular size) > > Any reason to? I mean, I never had to go over the default cdrecord uses. Since the author was already suggesting the use of team(1) he obvisiously wants a larger buffer. I was mearly asking if there was something about team(1) better than ``cdrecord -fs=XX''. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 12:58: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4CAE14C3E; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:57:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA41558; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:55:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908211955.MAA41558@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: obrien@freebsd.org Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How To Burn CDs In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:45:50 PDT." <19990821084550.D56777@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:55:33 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Then there is no advantage in using `team' vs. ``cdrecord -fs=XX'', right? > > -- > -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) As far as I can tell there is no difference other one component less to use and ease of use. Cheers -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 12:59:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles514.castles.com [208.214.165.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5211517A for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:59:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00837; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:51:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908211951.MAA00837@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Warner Losh Cc: Mike Smith , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: at_shutdown going away In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:01:35 MDT." <199908210701.BAA41654@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:51:29 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <199908190737.AAA04137@dingo.cdrom.com> Mike Smith writes: > : Seriously though, I'm in the process of replacing a number of the > : ad-hoc event handler callout lists in the kernel (most notably the > : at_shutdown and apm* lists) with a generic implementation. > > Shouldn't the apm stuff use the new-bus hooks? I've migraded a couple > of uses in pccard to using that now that I have newbus node to hang > them off of... APM is only attached to the ISA bus for crufty reasons; I'm going to take it off shortly and use the kernel environment to pass it options. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 13:26:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles514.castles.com [208.214.165.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCFD153CD for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:24:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00959; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:14:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908212014.NAA00959@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Soren Schmidt Cc: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith), geoffr@is.co.za, brian@pobox.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATA - Trouble mounting secondary master In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:29:47 +0200." <199908211029.MAA44285@freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:14:43 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > So I still stick with my statement that the -current bootblocks/loader > doesn't have the computrons needed to use the ad device (or any non > wd/da/fd device for that matter) for anything usefull :) The loader is fine; the problem is just that Poul never finished fixing = the mountroot code. All the loader does is read /etc/fstab and pass in = the entry for /. It's up to the kernel to work it out from there, and = that's where it's falling down. -- = \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 13:27: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA26153C2; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:24:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA41715; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:20:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908212020.NAA41715@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To Burn CDs In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:15:57 +0200." <199908211017.MAA96003@yedi.iaf.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:20:45 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > As David O'Brien wrote ... > > > "Another possibility, if you have the RAM, is to use the team(1) > > > program (it's in the ports) to buffer the data as it goes to the burner. > > > > Any reason not to use ``cdrecord -fs=64m'' (or some simular size) > > Any reason to? I mean, I never had to go over the default cdrecord > uses. But I only have a 2x writer and I generally create an iso image > file first. > At 2x, 300kb/sec , the default cdrecord fs's buffer size provides 13 seconds of buffering that should be enough for most cases. At higher speed the amount of prepocessing that mkisofs does starts playing a more important role however if you have created a iso image then mkisofs is not a factor. For illustrative purposes, here is a sample command execution for mkisofs piping an iso 9660 file stream to cdrecord: mkisofs -R /mount | cdrecord -blank=fast -v fs=4m speed=3 - That sample command syntax is sufficient for a "normal" cd creation someone like JKH can probably tell us if it is sufficient for creating a FreeBSD cdrom "package" distribution --- that is a resonable large filesystem structure. Cheers -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 13:31:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A867E14C17 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:31:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id QAA12995; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:31:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:31:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <199908212031.QAA12995@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Mike Smith Cc: Warner Losh , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: at_shutdown going away In-Reply-To: <199908211951.MAA00837@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <199908210701.BAA41654@harmony.village.org> <199908211951.MAA00837@dingo.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG < said: >> [Quoting somebody unidentified, presumably Warner:] >> Shouldn't the apm stuff use the new-bus hooks? I've migraded a couple >> of uses in pccard to using that now that I have newbus node to hang >> them off of... > APM is only attached to the ISA bus for crufty reasons; I'm going to > take it off shortly and use the kernel environment to pass it options. You missed the point. The bus hierarchy has support designed-in to pass power-management requests down the device tree. The only functions which should be registering themselves with APM directly are: 1) Old device drivers using a compatibility shim, or 2) Kernel code which is not a device driver. If you need more functionality than DEVICE_SUSPEND and DEVICE_RESUME, then add more methods. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 13:35:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7837814C17 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:35:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA00478; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:32:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Mike Smith Cc: Soren Schmidt , geoffr@is.co.za, brian@pobox.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATA - Trouble mounting secondary master In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:14:43 PDT." <199908212014.NAA00959@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:32:25 +0200 Message-ID: <476.935267545@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199908212014.NAA00959@dingo.cdrom.com>, Mike Smith writes: >> So I still stick with my statement that the -current bootblocks/loader >> doesn't have the computrons needed to use the ad device (or any non >> wd/da/fd device for that matter) for anything usefull :) > >The loader is fine; the problem is just that Poul never finished fixing >the mountroot code. All the loader does is read /etc/fstab and pass in >the entry for /. It's up to the kernel to work it out from there, and >that's where it's falling down. Excuse me! I fixed boot -a, and you came rushing in and said that the boot code could use the same thing, so obviously I expected you to do that, since the boot code is your baby... I don't even know where to look for the cookies left by the bootcode... -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 13:36:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8C91546B for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:36:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id WAA03914 for freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:34:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 1544D8795; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:27:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:27:01 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: "FreeBSD Current Users' list" Subject: Panic with NFSv3 on a CURRENT/SMP system Message-ID: <19990821222701.A32595@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Current Users' list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.95.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#5543 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I just got a panic when trying to play with NFSv3. The system is a dual PentiumPro system, running CURRENT/SMP. I use NFS as a kld. The FS on keltia is exported as: /z -alldirs -maproot=0 tara And mounted on tara with keltia:/z /spare rw,nfsv3 0 0 I tried making a directory on tara: "mkdir foo" and it succeeded. The directory has been created on keltia: drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Aug 21 21:49 foo Now, as soon as I try to go into that directory, boom! roberto@tara:/z# cd foo panic: zone: entry not free mp_lock = 00000001; cpuid = 0; lapic.id = 00000000 Debugger("panic") Stopped at Debugger+0x37: movl $0,in_Debugger db> trace panic(c021d779,c6235e38,c01b56c4,1,c5d15d60) at panic+0xa8 zerror(1,c5d15d60,c6235ec8,c0887b80,c6235e8c) at zerror+0x3f zalloc(c0853980) at zalloc+0x54 namei(c6235ea4,c5d15d60,c0234a04,0,80ab220) at nami+0x77 stat(c5d15d60,c6235f80,80e0c90,80e0c60,bfbfd5dc) at stat+0x44 syscall(2f,2f,2f,bfbfd5dc,80e0c60) at syscall+0x16e Xint0x80_syscall() at Xint0x80_syscall+0x31 Current process was zsh. I found in ps (from DDB) than c5d15d60 is the "proc" value for this process. The machine was idle (running ntpd, Postfix). db> show registers cs 0x8 gd_npxproc ds 0xc6230010 es 0x802x0010 fs 0xc0250018 db_break_table+0x638 ss 0x10 gd_switchtime eax 0x12 gd_switchtime+0x2 ecx 0x1 edx 0xc026b000 cpl_lock ebx 0xc021d779 __set_sysuninit_set_sym_M_ZONE_uninit_sys_uninit+0x8d esp 0xc6235df8 ebp 0xc6235e00 esi 0x100 gd_prv_PADDR1+0x40 edi 0 eip 0xc01d277f Debugger+0x37 efl 0x256 I'm generating a core dump. Please note that as tara is my test machine, I use "INVARIANT" & "INVARIANT_SUPPORT". Should I remove them ? It seems that from my reading of the code, the panic would not had happened without INVARIANT. Here is the trace from kgdb: SMP 2 cpus IdlePTD 3354624 initial pcb at 253280 panicstr: from debugger panic messages: --- panic: zone: entry not free mp_lock = 00000001; cpuid = 0; lapic.id = 00000000 panic: from debugger mp_lock = 00000002; cpuid = 0; lapic.id = 00000000 boot() called on cpu#0 dumping to dev (13,196609), offset 131072 dump 64 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 2 2 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 --- #0 boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:291 291 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3(); (kgdb) where #0 boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:291 #1 0xc0147201 in panic (fmt=0xc0208df4 "from debugger") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:515 #2 0xc01271f5 in db_panic (addr=-1071831169, have_addr=0, count=-1, modif=0xc6235cc4 "") at ../../ddb/db_command.c:433 #3 0xc0127194 in db_command (last_cmdp=0xc0232970, cmd_table=0xc02327d0, aux_cmd_tablep=0xc024f904) at ../../ddb/db_command.c:333 #4 0xc012725a in db_command_loop () at ../../ddb/db_command.c:455 #5 0xc012929b in db_trap (type=3, code=0) at ../../ddb/db_trap.c:71 #6 0xc01d24ca in kdb_trap (type=3, code=0, regs=0xc6235db8) at ../../i386/i386/db_interface.c:157 #7 0xc01e571c in trap (frame={tf_fs = -1071316968, tf_es = -2144600048, tf_ds = -970784752, tf_edi = 0, tf_esi = 256, tf_ebp = -970760704, tf_isp = -970760732, tf_ebx = -1071523975, tf_edx = -1071206400, tf_ecx = 1, tf_eax = 18, tf_trapno = 3, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = -1071831169, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 598, tf_esp = -1071499293, tf_ss = -10715891}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:534 #8 0xc01d277f in Debugger (msg=0xc020d8d2 "panic") at machine/cpufunc.h:64 #9 0xc01471f8 in panic (fmt=0xc021d779 "zone: entry not free") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:513 #10 0xc01b5a9f in zerror () at ../../vm/vm_zone.c:455 #11 0xc01b56c4 in zalloci (z=0xc0853980) at ../../vm/vm_zone.h:91 #12 0xc016af87 in namei (ndp=0xc6235ea4) at ../../vm/vm_zone.h:117 #13 0xc0171338 in stat (p=0xc5d15d60, uap=0xc6235f80) at ../../kern/vfs_syscalls.c:1668 #14 0xc01e5f9a in syscall (frame={tf_fs = 47, tf_es = 47, tf_ds = 47, tf_edi = -1077946916, tf_esi = 135138400, tf_ebp = -1077946800, tf_isp = -970760236, tf_ebx = 135138448, tf_edx = 135138400, tf_ecx = 135138304, tf_eax = 188, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 2, tf_eip = 672140844, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 582, tf_esp = -1077948072, tf_ss = 47}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1056 #15 0xc01d2eb1 in Xint0x80_syscall () #16 0x804ba24 in ?? () #17 0x804b786 in ?? () #18 0x804b672 in ?? () #19 0x804b2e4 in ?? () #20 0x804aa4b in ?? () #21 0x80552be in ?? () #22 0x8053494 in ?? () #23 0x8052df3 in ?? () #24 0x8052a82 in ?? () #25 0x805f851 in ?? () #26 0x804a32b in ?? () #27 0x804a125 in ?? () If needed I can explore more variables. Client (tara) is a 2x PPro/200, Intel PFX440 motherboard, 64 MB RAM. I SCSI disk on the on-board SCSI controller (AHC-7880/UW). Server (keltia) is a K6-200, 128 MB RAM, 5 SCSI disks on 2 NCR cards. keltia is CURRENT from Sat Jul 31. tara is CURRENT from Sat Aug 14. dmesg(s) available on demand. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #73: Sat Jul 31 15:36:05 CEST 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 13:42:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDB514C17 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:42:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA41793; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:38:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908212038.NAA41793@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: obrien@NUXI.com Cc: Wilko Bulte , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How To Burn CDs In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:30:09 PDT." <19990821123009.H56777@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:38:54 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > "Another possibility, if you have the RAM, is to use the team(1) > > > > program (it's in the ports) to buffer the data as it goes to the burner. > > > > > > Any reason not to use ``cdrecord -fs=64m'' (or some simular size) > > > > Any reason to? I mean, I never had to go over the default cdrecord uses. > > Since the author was already suggesting the use of team(1) he obvisiously > wants a larger buffer. I was mearly asking if there was something about > team(1) better than ``cdrecord -fs=XX''. > To me in the context of cdrecord, cdrecord's option "fs" and team are about the same. Perhaps someone more familiar with cdrecord fifo.c's circular buffer algorithm and team can express a different opinion. Cheers -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 13:44:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A704D15027 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:44:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA62585; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:44:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA48478; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:44:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908212044.OAA48478@harmony.village.org> To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: HEADS UP: at_shutdown going away Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:51:29 PDT." <199908211951.MAA00837@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <199908211951.MAA00837@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:44:49 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199908211951.MAA00837@dingo.cdrom.com> Mike Smith writes: : > In message <199908190737.AAA04137@dingo.cdrom.com> Mike Smith writes: : > : Seriously though, I'm in the process of replacing a number of the : > : ad-hoc event handler callout lists in the kernel (most notably the : > : at_shutdown and apm* lists) with a generic implementation. : > : > Shouldn't the apm stuff use the new-bus hooks? I've migraded a couple : > of uses in pccard to using that now that I have newbus node to hang : > them off of... : : APM is only attached to the ISA bus for crufty reasons; I'm going to : take it off shortly and use the kernel environment to pass it options. No. You misunderstand me. I'm talking about the device_suspend and device_remove methods which get called for all attached devices on suspend and remove. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 13:47: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB8514E03 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:46:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA62597; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:45:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA48501; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:46:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908212046.OAA48501@harmony.village.org> To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: HEADS UP: at_shutdown going away Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:51:29 PDT." <199908211951.MAA00837@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <199908211951.MAA00837@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:46:01 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199908211951.MAA00837@dingo.cdrom.com> Mike Smith writes: : APM is only attached to the ISA bus for crufty reasons; I'm going to Actually, APM is attached to NEXUS. Why pass it kernel environment variables when it will likely be modified to grok whatever config scheme comes from newbus? Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 13:52:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99F314C17 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:52:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA62639; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:51:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id OAA48584; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:51:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908212051.OAA48584@harmony.village.org> To: Garrett Wollman Subject: Re: HEADS UP: at_shutdown going away Cc: Mike Smith , current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:31:04 EDT." <199908212031.QAA12995@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <199908212031.QAA12995@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <199908210701.BAA41654@harmony.village.org> <199908211951.MAA00837@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:51:31 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199908212031.QAA12995@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Garrett Wollman writes: : You missed the point. The bus hierarchy has support designed-in to : pass power-management requests down the device tree. The only : functions which should be registering themselves with APM directly : are: : : 1) Old device drivers using a compatibility shim, or : : 2) Kernel code which is not a device driver. : : If you need more functionality than DEVICE_SUSPEND and DEVICE_RESUME, : then add more methods. That DEVICE_SUSPEND and DEVICE_RESUME methods are exactly the same thing as we have right now with the apm code. No need to reinvent the wheel here. It was on my list of cleanups to do after I got the pccard stuff to the point where modems work again. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 14:43:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles514.castles.com [208.214.165.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6F114C3B; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:43:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01366; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:38:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908212138.OAA01366@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mitsuru IWASAKI Cc: phk@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: if_de.c breakage ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:22:23 +0900." <199908211918.EAA25846@tasogare.imasy.or.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:38:05 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi, my mentor :-) > > phk> Am I the only one to see these ? > > Me too. I found it other files as well. > It seems that adding following line is required in some source code. > > #include Argh! I knew that taking it out of sys/systm.h was a bad idea. 8( -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 14:48:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles514.castles.com [208.214.165.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE02F14F2A for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:48:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01386; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:39:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908212139.OAA01386@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Warner Losh Cc: Mike Smith , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: at_shutdown going away In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:01:35 MDT." <199908210701.BAA41654@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:39:17 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <199908190737.AAA04137@dingo.cdrom.com> Mike Smith writes: > : Seriously though, I'm in the process of replacing a number of the > : ad-hoc event handler callout lists in the kernel (most notably the > : at_shutdown and apm* lists) with a generic implementation. > > Shouldn't the apm stuff use the new-bus hooks? I've migraded a couple > of uses in pccard to using that now that I have newbus node to hang > them off of... Certainly anything that's attached to a bus should be using the bus' suspend event handler, yes. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 14:51:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles514.castles.com [208.214.165.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C62A154B2 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:49:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01442; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:43:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908212143.OAA01442@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Warner Losh Cc: Garrett Wollman , Mike Smith , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: at_shutdown going away In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:51:31 MDT." <199908212051.OAA48584@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:43:59 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > : If you need more functionality than DEVICE_SUSPEND and DEVICE_RESUME, > : then add more methods. > > That DEVICE_SUSPEND and DEVICE_RESUME methods are exactly the same > thing as we have right now with the apm code. No need to reinvent the > wheel here. It was on my list of cleanups to do after I got the > pccard stuff to the point where modems work again. If you're going to do that, take a look at the ACPI spec and implement at least the base set of power states that it defines, since we are going to have to live with hardware that behaves like that for some time to come. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 14:51:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles514.castles.com [208.214.165.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A204E1549E for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:49:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01423; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:42:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908212142.OAA01423@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Warner Losh Cc: Mike Smith , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: at_shutdown going away In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:46:01 MDT." <199908212046.OAA48501@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:42:55 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <199908211951.MAA00837@dingo.cdrom.com> Mike Smith writes: > : APM is only attached to the ISA bus for crufty reasons; I'm going to > > Actually, APM is attached to NEXUS. Why pass it kernel environment > variables when it will likely be modified to grok whatever config > scheme comes from newbus? Because it's not a device, or more specifically, if it should be attached to anything, it should be attached to a 'bios' bus. The kernel environment is simply a convenient way to make it work right now, rather than waiting for the newbus parameter stuff to arrive (which will likely be carried in the environment anyway). -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 14:56:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2339C14BE2 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:56:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA62856; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:55:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA49041; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:55:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199908212155.PAA49041@harmony.village.org> To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: HEADS UP: at_shutdown going away Cc: Garrett Wollman , current@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:43:59 PDT." <199908212143.OAA01442@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <199908212143.OAA01442@dingo.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:55:23 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199908212143.OAA01442@dingo.cdrom.com> Mike Smith writes: : If you're going to do that, take a look at the ACPI spec and implement : at least the base set of power states that it defines, since we are : going to have to live with hardware that behaves like that for some : time to come. Good idea... However, most ACPI machines have a legacy APM model, which is what the device methods support. When the ACPI stuff comes it, it will likely need to expand the methods... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 15: 2: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F217814BFC; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:02:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@jade.chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 99B751C19; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6843826; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:02:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Mike Smith Cc: Mitsuru IWASAKI , phk@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: if_de.c breakage ? In-Reply-To: <199908212138.OAA01366@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 21 Aug 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > Argh! I knew that taking it out of sys/systm.h was a bad idea. 8( I committed the fix for this, FYI, after it tripped someone up on IRC. -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 15:14:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles514.castles.com [208.214.165.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB24214BFC for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:14:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01598; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:06:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908212206.PAA01598@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Manfred Antar Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Current Kernel build broken In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:03:46 PDT." <4.2.0.58.19990821090049.00a35b80@216.101.162.50> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:06:34 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > With current source tree as of 9 am pacific, I can no longer build a kernel : My mistake; should be fixed now. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 16:23:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from paert.tse-online.de (paert.tse-online.de [194.97.69.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B783A14CAC for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:23:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ab@paert.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 58420 invoked by uid 1000); 21 Aug 1999 23:26:34 -0000 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 01:26:34 +0200 From: Andreas Braukmann To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 Message-ID: <19990822012633.N21346@paert.tse-online.de> References: <19990820235025.K21346@paert.tse-online.de> <19990820161142.C673@fisicc-ufm.edu> <19990820201051.B3664@homer.louisville.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <19990820201051.B3664@homer.louisville.edu>; from Keith Stevenson on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 08:10:51PM -0400 Organization: TSE GmbH - Neue Medien Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 08:10:51PM -0400, Keith Stevenson wrote: > On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 04:11:42PM -0600, Oscar Bonilla wrote: > > then xlock already includes a module for this... I'm using it on my > > laptop.. ... ahh. ... Meanwhile I've updated my xlock to xlockmore-4.14 including 'the matrix'. I'm rather disappointed. a) it crawls like a dog without legs :( (especially on my 1600x1200 screen) > I like Andrzej's module a _lot_ better than the xlock module. It looks (IMO) > more like the screen from the movie and doesn't eat all of my CPU cycles. b) I second this. -ab -- : Anti-Spam Petition: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ : : PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key : : Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 16:35:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n65.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4C514CAC for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:35:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt011n65.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA83056; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:34:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <37BF37A0.769435B3@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:34:56 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0815 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warner Losh Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: REQ: Test /etc/rc clean-up References: <21889.935137150@axl.noc.iafrica.com> <199908210711.BAA41758@harmony.village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Warner Losh wrote: > > In message <21889.935137150@axl.noc.iafrica.com> Sheldon Hearn writes: > : -if [ X$start_vinum = XYES ]; then > : +if [ X"${start_vinum}" = X"YES" ]; then > > I never understood why you check against X"YES"? XYES always seemed > much better than X"YES" since the latter is somewhat obscure. Both > are identical... The prevailing shell scripting CW is that putting the X outside the quotes makes it more clear to a casual observer that the X is not part of the value you are testing. Personally I agree with you, I've always thought that "X$VAR" looks cleaner. Doug (assuming I'm understanding your point here...) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 16:36:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from jdyson.com (iq-ind-dns003-90.iquest.net [198.70.149.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EAFB14CAC; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:36:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toor@jdyson.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by jdyson.com (8.9.1/8.9.3) id SAA11404; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:36:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from toor) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199908212336.SAA11404@jdyson.com> Subject: Re: NFS HEADS UP (was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/nfs nfsm_subs.h xdr_subs.h) In-Reply-To: <199908211649.JAA73759@apollo.backplane.com> from Matthew Dillon at "Aug 21, 99 09:49:39 am" To: dillon@apollo.backplane.com (Matthew Dillon) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:36:00 -0500 (EST) Cc: dyson@iquest.net, bright@rush.net, eivind@FreeBSD.ORG, peter@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon said: > :> Well, the issue with converting many of the macros to inline functions > :> is with the embedded goto's and references to variables defined outside > :> the macros. Converting them to functions would basically require > :> rewriting a huge chunk of NFS code. > :> > :My working kernel runs with a few strategic NFS macros being converted > :to functions, and the size improvement is about 50K or so (maybe more!!!) > : > :John > > If you want to port some of it in that part of the source tree will be > available in a month or two, depending on how quickly the other stuff in > my queue gets committed. I've got two patch sets currently under test > related to other NFS issues and a third one in the wings. > The changes are "semi-trivial", and hope that a new kernel hacker can take a crack at it. Part of my comment however true, was meant as a tease to get more kernel people involved (helping the cause.) Anything that any of us does can be done by others, and fostering a talent search is a good thing (IMO.) I am willing to provide the info, but hope that a naiscent kernel hacker comes forward... John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 16:40:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (blaubaer.kn-bremen.de [195.37.179.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4640215463 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:40:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nox@saturn.kn-bremen.de) Received: from saturn.kn-bremen.de (uucp@localhost) by blaubaer.kn-bremen.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id BAA22917; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 01:33:53 +0200 Received: (from nox@localhost) by saturn.kn-bremen.de (8.9.3/8.8.5) id BAA34349; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 01:05:16 +0200 (MET DST) From: Juergen Lock Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 01:05:15 +0200 To: Amancio Hasty Cc: Juergen Lock , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: user friendly creation of CDs (was: Re: patches for tosha?) Message-ID: <19990822010515.A33373@saturn.kn-bremen.de> References: <199908202032.WAA88359@saturn.kn-bremen.de> <199908210002.RAA32941@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199908210002.RAA32941@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 05:02:07PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Heh. I see, you want a program that one could use without having to know _anything_. Your right thats not what gcombust is, but its still useful for those of us who know `something'... On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 05:02:07PM -0700, Amancio Hasty wrote: > Yes, I tried gcombust and opted for the command line approach > > gcombust looks great ;however, I expect for user firiendly land > less knobs for instance: > > burn iso 9660 cd > Select files or directories > type of CD : CD-R , CD-RW > > then pull the appropiate information for buffering and > optimal speed from a database. Not sure a database would be enough for that, as these not only vary for each system (hardware) but also depend on . the type of files to be written (big ones or many small ones) and of course the performance of the disk/controller/fs their on (and the net if their not local) . current and near-future system load (for example any cronjobs coming up that will be hammering the source disk, or network?) (is that all?) of course you could reduce the problems by simply always creating an image file but then you can't write CDs once your low on free space. >... Sometimes being the hacker > of the house is not an easy task 8) :) Still i'd like to know of any solution you come up with... Regards, -- Juergen Lock (remove dot foo from address to reply) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 16:46:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from rah.star-gate.com (216-200-29-190.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.29.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0E2914CAC for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:46:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA42449; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:45:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199908212345.QAA42449@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Juergen Lock Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: user friendly creation of CDs (was: Re: patches for tosha?) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 22 Aug 1999 01:05:15 +0200." <19990822010515.A33373@saturn.kn-bremen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:45:17 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, In my case is a lot easier to customize a simple shell script and use it. Is just that gcombust comes from linux perhaps if I keep using I can get over my hurdle 8) Have Fun Guys! > Heh. I see, you want a program that one could use without > having to know _anything_. Your right thats not what gcombust is, > but its still useful for those of us who know `something'... > > On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 05:02:07PM -0700, Amancio Hasty wrote: > > Yes, I tried gcombust and opted for the command line approach > > > > gcombust looks great ;however, I expect for user firiendly land > > less knobs for instance: > > > > burn iso 9660 cd > > Select files or directories > > type of CD : CD-R , CD-RW > > > > then pull the appropiate information for buffering and > > optimal speed from a database. > > Not sure a database would be enough for that, as these not only > vary for each system (hardware) but also depend on > > . the type of files to be written (big ones or many small ones) > and of course the performance of the disk/controller/fs their on > (and the net if their not local) > . current and near-future system load (for example any cronjobs > coming up that will be hammering the source disk, or network?) > > (is that all?) of course you could reduce the problems by simply > always creating an image file but then you can't write CDs once > your low on free space. > > >... Sometimes being the hacker > > of the house is not an easy task 8) > > :) Still i'd like to know of any solution you come up with... > > Regards, > -- > Juergen Lock > (remove dot foo from address to reply) -- Amancio Hasty hasty@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 16:53: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from pcpsj.pfcs.com (harlan.clark.net [168.143.10.179]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC28A14CAC for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:52:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Harlan.Stenn@pfcs.com) Received: from mumps.pfcs.com [192.52.69.11] (HELO mumps.pfcs.com) by pcpsj.pfcs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) via ESMTP id ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brown.pfcs.com [192.52.69.44] (HELO brown.pfcs.com) by mumps.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.pfcs.com [127.0.0.1] (HELO brown.pfcs.com) by brown.pfcs.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) via ESMTP id ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:50:46 -0400 (EDT) To: Doug Cc: Warner Losh , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: REQ: Test /etc/rc clean-up In-Reply-To: Doug's (Doug@gorean.org) message dated Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:34:56. <37BF37A0.769435B3@gorean.org> X-Face: "csXK}xnnsH\h_ce`T#|pM]tG,6Xu.{3Rb\]&XJgVyTS'w{E+|-(}n:c(Cc* $cbtusxDP6T)Hr'k&zrwq0.3&~bAI~YJco[r.mE+K|(q]F=ZNXug:s6tyOk{VTqARy0#axm6BWti9C d User-Agent: EMH/1.10.0 SEMI/1.13.3 (Komaiko) FLIM/1.12.7 (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Y?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=1B=2ED=8E=FEzaki?=) XEmacs/21.1 (20 Minutes to Nikko) (i386-unknown-freebsd2.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.3 - "Komaiko") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:50:46 -0400 Message-ID: <24142.935279446@brown.pfcs.com> From: Harlan Stenn Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I understand that folks use X$foo becuase if $foo evaluates to -whatever then there is a *chance* that test will misunderstand. I gather the reason for using the X trick *and* the quotes is because there might be some whitespace in there, too. Given that "case" is a builtin and using "case" instead of "test" is both faster, easier to read (less clutter), and supports mixed-case easier, I prefer "case". But I went down this road before. H To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 17: 4:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE25D14BFF for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:04:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA81517; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:59:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Harlan Stenn Cc: Doug , Warner Losh , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: REQ: Test /etc/rc clean-up In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:50:46 EDT." <24142.935279446@brown.pfcs.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:59:38 -0700 Message-ID: <81513.935279978@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I gather the reason for using the X trick *and* the quotes is because there > might be some whitespace in there, too. Actually, that's mostly just historical legacy. When the quotes, it's safe even if the expansion is empty or contains whitespace. I got kinda annoyed with this last night and did the following: http://www.freebsd.org/~jkh/etc.diffs.fix-it-right Which I've sent to Sheldon for review but haven't heard anything back from him yet. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 17:18:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n65.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F4D14E7B for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:18:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt011n65.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA83493; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:17:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <37BF419B.37C260D3@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:17:31 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0815 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Harlan Stenn , Warner Losh , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: REQ: Test /etc/rc clean-up References: <81513.935279978@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > I gather the reason for using the X trick *and* the quotes is because there > > might be some whitespace in there, too. > > Actually, that's mostly just historical legacy. When the quotes, it's > safe even if the expansion is empty or contains whitespace. The X also protected test from the case where the expansion included a string like "-x", although with most modern implementations of test (or shells with test as a builtin) this is no longer a problem. > I got > kinda annoyed with this last night and did the following: I agree with some of your changes here, but can you explain your objection to using case? My argument is that case is a builtin so it makes things just a little bit cleaner, and more importantly it makes case insensitivity for the options that much easier to implement which is a huge win in user friendliness. For example, what happens to if [ "${pccard_ifconfig}" != "NO" ] if the user makes the flag "no"? I'd say that the fact that this is going to go off anyway violates POLA, all "stupid user" arguments aside. Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 17:30:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n65.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1F514E3E; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:30:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt011n65.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA83650; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:28:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <37BF4420.452C5076@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:28:16 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0815 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: "John S. Dyson" , Alfred Perlstein , Eivind Eklund , Peter Wemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NFS HEADS UP (was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/nfs nfsm_subs.h xdr_subs.h) References: <199908211156.GAA20231@dyson.iquest.net.> <199908211649.JAA73759@apollo.backplane.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon wrote: > Does anyone know why our NFS clients are sending a separate RPC for each > 8K buffer? If the dirty space is contiguous across a number of buffers > we should be able to send a *SINGLE* commit rpc to the server. That would > greatly reduce system overhead on both the client and server when writing > a large file over NFS. This would seem to be an almost free optimization > that would mesh extremely well with the nfsrv_commit optimizations I'm > making right now. > > At the moment I can saturate a 100BaseTX with NFS writes and get > 10 MBytes/sec to the platter on the server, but the cpu required on both > the client and server to do that is well over 60% of a Pentium III-450. I'd like to put in a vote to get these NFS write optimizations in the pipe ASAP. The last hurdle (seemingly) on my big project at work that I've been bugging so many of you about is the fact that FreeBSD NFS client writing to Sun NFS server is just DOG slow. I did some pretty extensive testing on this and couldn't come up with any client option twidding that made any difference, except increasing wsize to 16k, which got me about 10%, but it was still very slow. This is on a -current system from around the tenth of August. Matt, thanks for all your hard work on this, and believe me when I say it couldn't come at a better time. Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 17:31:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737EB15474 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:31:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA81728; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:27:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Doug Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Harlan Stenn , Warner Losh , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: REQ: Test /etc/rc clean-up In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:17:31 PDT." <37BF419B.37C260D3@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:27:35 -0700 Message-ID: <81724.935281655@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The X also protected test from the case where the expansion included a > string like "-x", although with most modern implementations of test (or > shells with test as a builtin) this is no longer a problem. And certainly not in any of these cases. :) > I agree with some of your changes here, but can you explain your objection > to using case? My argument is that case is a builtin so it makes things > just a little bit cleaner, and more importantly it makes case insensitivity > for the options that much easier to implement which is a huge win in user > friendliness. For example, what happens to if [ "${pccard_ifconfig}" != I don't disagree with any of this, but that radical a degree of change was simply not my intention with these diffs. :-) I sought only to: 1. Eliminate unnecessary X pollution. 2. Make all variable expansion consistently use ${foo}; only positional parameters are "naked" now. 3. Fix cases where test -n is an obvious simplification of the existing expression. If we were to commit this, I'd suggest that we do my version first and then have a case-ify pass done 2nd, just so we have each option to chose from in the CVS repository should anyone express strong reservations at some stage. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 17:51:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n65.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E774C14DEE for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:51:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt011n65.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA94129 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:49:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <37BF491F.D21E7F3C@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:49:35 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0815 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: current@freebsd.org Subject: buildworld fails in /usr/src/sys/modules/mii/.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Cvsup'ed today, make -DNOCLEAN world failed in gcc, did a 'make includes' and 'make world' and now it fails in: ===> sys/modules/mii @ -> /usr/src/sys machine -> /usr/src/sys/i386/include perl /usr/src/sys/modules/mii/../../kern/makedevops.pl -h /usr/src/sys/modules/mii/../../kern/bus_if.m make: don't know how to make /usr/src/sys/modules/mii/../../dev/mii/miibus_if.m. Stop *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. Just re-cvsup'ed and no new changes. HTH, Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 18: 0:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (skynet.ctr.columbia.edu [128.59.64.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F43315477 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:00:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu) Received: (from wpaul@localhost) by skynet.ctr.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA03010; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:02:14 -0400 From: Bill Paul Message-Id: <199908220102.VAA03010@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Subject: Re: buildworld fails in /usr/src/sys/modules/mii/.. To: Doug@gorean.org (Doug) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Cc: current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <37BF491F.D21E7F3C@gorean.org> from "Doug" at Aug 21, 99 05:49:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1272 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Doug had to walk into mine and say: > Cvsup'ed today, make -DNOCLEAN world failed in gcc, did a 'make includes' > and 'make world' and now it fails in: > > ===> sys/modules/mii > @ -> /usr/src/sys > machine -> /usr/src/sys/i386/include > perl /usr/src/sys/modules/mii/../../kern/makedevops.pl -h > /usr/src/sys/modules/mii/../../kern/bus_if.m > make: don't know how to make > /usr/src/sys/modules/mii/../../dev/mii/miibus_if.m. Stop Aieeee! The stupid bus interface description file escaped before I could commit it with the rest of the miibus code. Okay, I just fixed it. Thanks for the heads up and sorry for the trouble. My turn to wear the pointy hat again. -Bill -- ============================================================================= -Bill Paul (212) 854-6020 | System Manager, Master of Unix-Fu Work: wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu | Center for Telecommunications Research Home: wpaul@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu | Columbia University, New York City ============================================================================= "It is not I who am crazy; it is I who am mad!" - Ren Hoek, "Space Madness" ============================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 18: 1:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n65.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CFD715485 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:01:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt011n65.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA96049; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:01:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <37BF4BD5.9B819420@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:01:09 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0815 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > Hi, > > Due to unexpected demand . . . Ok, I have to say that pretty much rocks. :) Any chance of making an X version of this? The guy in the cube across from mine and I are both big science fiction fans, and he would turn *cough* green with envy . . . Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 18:12:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mw4.texas.net (mw4.texas.net [206.127.30.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF183154DC for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:12:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsnow@lgc.com) Received: from basil.dympna.COM (mnet07-19.sat.texas.net [209.99.53.19]) by mw4.texas.net (2.4/2.4) with ESMTP id UAA25188; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:12:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lgc.com (IDENT:rsnow@turbo [134.132.228.6]) by basil.dympna.COM (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA14148; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:12:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rsnow@lgc.com) Message-ID: <37BF4E63.9019DD62@lgc.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:12:03 -0500 From: Rob Snow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Cc: Matthew Dillon , "John S. Dyson" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NFS HEADS UP (was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/nfs nfsm_subs.h xdr_subs.h) References: <199908211156.GAA20231@dyson.iquest.net.> <199908211649.JAA73759@apollo.backplane.com> <37BF4420.452C5076@gorean.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm with you 100% I've got about 100 Bonnies of trying to optimize Linux Clients (pre and post NFSv3 patch) vs. FreeBSD server. I've gone to current so that I can watch it happen. I'm currently writing around 4.5M - 5.0M/sec vs. 10-15M/sec on my vinum stripe locally. I went through a similar thing 1.5years ago with IBM/Solaris/Irix servers that were sharing VOB's, Irix to Solaris was DOG slow and we finally conquered it wit a bunch of fiddling and patching. -Rob Doug wrote: > > Matthew Dillon wrote: > > > Does anyone know why our NFS clients are sending a separate RPC for each > > 8K buffer? If the dirty space is contiguous across a number of buffers > > we should be able to send a *SINGLE* commit rpc to the server. That would > > greatly reduce system overhead on both the client and server when writing > > a large file over NFS. This would seem to be an almost free optimization > > that would mesh extremely well with the nfsrv_commit optimizations I'm > > making right now. > > > > At the moment I can saturate a 100BaseTX with NFS writes and get > > 10 MBytes/sec to the platter on the server, but the cpu required on both > > the client and server to do that is well over 60% of a Pentium III-450. > > I'd like to put in a vote to get these NFS write optimizations in the pipe > ASAP. The last hurdle (seemingly) on my big project at work that I've been > bugging so many of you about is the fact that FreeBSD NFS client writing to > Sun NFS server is just DOG slow. I did some pretty extensive testing on > this and couldn't come up with any client option twidding that made any > difference, except increasing wsize to 16k, which got me about 10%, but it > was still very slow. This is on a -current system from around the tenth of > August. > > Matt, thanks for all your hard work on this, and believe me when I say it > couldn't come at a better time. > > Doug > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 18:19: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [216.190.188.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00361154CC for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:18:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from freebsd.cybcon.com (william@pm3a-26.cybcon.com [205.147.75.155]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA21852 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: wwoods@cybcon.com From: william woods To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Kernel compile died..... Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is my kernel compile error and where it died.... -------------------------------------------- e -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf ../../dev/aha/aha.c cc -c -O -pipe -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf ../../dev/aic7xxx/aic7xxx.c cc -c -O -pipe -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf ../../dev/aic7xxx/93cx6.c cc -c -O -pipe -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf ../../dev/buslogic/bt.c cc -c -O -pipe -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c: In function `dpt_get_conf': ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c:389: warning: cast discards `volatile' from pointer target type ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c: In function `dpt_detect_cache': ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c:496: warning: cast discards `volatile' from pointer target type ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c: In function `dpt_init': ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c:1187: warning: cast discards `volatile' from pointer target type ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c: In function `dpt_attach': ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c:1410: warning: implicit declaration of function `EVENTHANDLER_REGISTER' ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c:1410: `shutdown_final' undeclared (first use in this function) ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c:1410: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c:1410: for each function it appears in.) ../../dev/dpt/dpt_scsi.c:1411: `SHUTDOWN_PRI_DEFAULT' undeclared (first use in this function) *** Error code 1 ---------------------------------- E-Mail: william woods Date: 21-Aug-99 Time: 18:16:14 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 18:37:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n65.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B26914C1A for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:37:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt011n65.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00446; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:32:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <37BF5334.7EEFDB5C@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:32:36 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0815 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Harlan Stenn , Warner Losh , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: REQ: Test /etc/rc clean-up References: <81724.935281655@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > The X also protected test from the case where the expansion included a > > string like "-x", although with most modern implementations of test (or > > shells with test as a builtin) this is no longer a problem. > > And certainly not in any of these cases. :) Right, I was just being pedantic. > > I agree with some of your changes here, but can you explain your objection > > to using case? My argument is that case is a builtin so it makes things > > just a little bit cleaner, and more importantly it makes case insensitivity > > for the options that much easier to implement which is a huge win in user > > friendliness. For example, what happens to if [ "${pccard_ifconfig}" != > > I don't disagree with any of this, but that radical a degree of change > was simply not my intention with these diffs. :-) Ok, good. Like I said I think cleaning it up in general is a Good Thing (TM). There is one other element of style that it would be nice to see made consistent, namely: if [ blah ]; then as opposed to the various iterations of ] ; then, then's on a seperate line, etc. Even using case for the variables there are still going to be some test's needed. > If we were to commit this, I'd suggest that we do my version first > and then have a case-ify pass done 2nd, just so we have each option > to chose from in the CVS repository should anyone express strong > reservations at some stage. :) Yes, I was going to suggest the same thing. Wow... we are dangerously close to a consensus on this. :) Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 18:37:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n65.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36BEC152B9 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:37:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt011n65.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00744; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:34:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <37BF53AE.1B16C503@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:34:38 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0815 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Paul Cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: buildworld fails in /usr/src/sys/modules/mii/.. References: <199908220102.VAA03010@skynet.ctr.columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bill Paul wrote: > Aieeee! The stupid bus interface description file escaped before I > could commit it with the rest of the miibus code. Okay, I just fixed > it. Thanks for the heads up and sorry for the trouble. My turn to > wear the pointy hat again. Hey, no sweat. It is -current after all. :) Thanks for your work to improve this and the quick response. Glad I could help, Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 19: 4:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41ADA14D35 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:04:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA75421; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:03:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:03:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908220203.TAA75421@apollo.backplane.com> To: Ollivier Robert Cc: "FreeBSD Current Users' list" Subject: Re: Panic with NFSv3 on a CURRENT/SMP system References: <19990821222701.A32595@keltia.freenix.fr> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Hello, : :I just got a panic when trying to play with NFSv3. The system is a dual :PentiumPro system, running CURRENT/SMP. I use NFS as a kld. The very first thing I would do is compile NFS into the kernel and not use it as a kld. Then see if you can repeat the problem. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 19: 6:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from freja.webgiro.com (freja.webgiro.com [212.209.29.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD8E14D8B; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:06:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@webgiro.com) Received: by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 67B491912; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:05:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freja.webgiro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A0149D3; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:05:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:05:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: Nik Clayton Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 In-Reply-To: <19990821102623.A20997@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 21 Aug 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > FWIW, there are at least two other 'matrix' implementations out there. > One is part of xscreensaver, and is quite nice -- it's even better if you > halve the size of the image it's using first. This has the advantage that > the characters actually look like the ones in the film (reversed numbers > and Japanese katana (sp?) characters). That one's (obviously) X only. Katakana, IIRC. You know, if I only had more spare time I could do something with VESA graphics - X is not really needed here. Anyway, this module was meant more as a joke, but if you guys like it so much you could vote for putting it in the tree... Andrzej Bialecki // WebGiro AB, Sweden (http://www.webgiro.com) // ------------------------------------------------------------------- // ------ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.freebsd.org -------- // --- Small & Embedded FreeBSD: http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 19:13:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n65.san.rr.com (dt010nb9.san.rr.com [204.210.12.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F0A14D35 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:13:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt011n65.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA04132; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:11:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <37BF5C55.519542EF@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:11:33 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0815 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, dbaker@distributed.net Subject: Weird differences in rc5 behavior on -current vs. -stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a 3.2-Stable and a 4.0-Current system at home, both running rc5des. On both systems I set the priority in the rc5 options menu to '0', indicating lowest possible priority. On the -Stable system it's running at nice level '0', but it seems to be taking advantage of the idprio stuff since in general my system seems much "snappier," than when I was running 2.2.8 on the exact same machine. On the -current box rc5des shows up as nice level 20, and although it's a pretty snappy system (this is my workstation machine with a celeron 300A and lots of ram) I thought the difference to be pretty strange. The rc5des.ini files for both machines are identical (except for the random value). Also, when rc5des runs on the -current system I get this: ps -ax | grep rc5des 59048 p0 S 0:00.02 _su -m -c /usr/local/distributed.net/rc5des -quiet (c 59062 p0 RN 0:01.63 /usr/local/distributed.net/rc5des -quiet whereas on the -stable system there is no ghost su process. This is with the latest version of rc5 installed from the ports. These aren't major problems, but it's often the small things like this that indicate an area of concern elsewhere, so I thought I'd mention it. Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 19:26:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8D114D35 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:26:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA75601; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:26:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:26:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908220226.TAA75601@apollo.backplane.com> To: Rob Snow Cc: Doug , "John S. Dyson" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Patches available (was Re: NFS HEADS UP) References: <199908211156.GAA20231@dyson.iquest.net.> <199908211649.JAA73759@apollo.backplane.com> <37BF4420.452C5076@gorean.org> <37BF4E63.9019DD62@lgc.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, I have put up the current patch set -- for patching against CURRENT only - on my web site. http://www.backplane.com/FreeBSD4/ They contain a bit more then the NFS stuff, but it's all related to performance. It would take me too long to try to separate them out (this is what happens when things back-up, sorry!). The patches have been tested only somewhat and the one that fixes nfssrv_commit() is not 100% complete - it doesn't sync-out the file metadata yet, only the specific data blocks being requested by the commit rpc. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 19:30:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B146E14EC0 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:30:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA75612; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:27:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:27:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908220227.TAA75612@apollo.backplane.com> To: Rob Snow Cc: "Doug \"John S. Dyson\"" , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: slight note to patchset (was Re: NFS HEADS UP) xdr_subs.h) Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I forgot to mention: It's the 'Multi-patch #1' section of the web page, the section at the top. Ignore all the stuff that comes after that - they've already been committed, as have many other things not listed. http://www.backplane.com/FreeBSD4/ -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 19:31:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from lor.watermarkgroup.com (lor.watermarkgroup.com [207.202.73.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0F314FD9 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:31:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luoqi@watermarkgroup.com) Received: (from luoqi@localhost) by lor.watermarkgroup.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08616; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:30:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from luoqi) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:30:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Luoqi Chen Message-Id: <199908220230.WAA08616@lor.watermarkgroup.com> To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr Subject: Re: Panic with NFSv3 on a CURRENT/SMP system Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm generating a core dump. Please note that as tara is my test machine, I use > "INVARIANT" & "INVARIANT_SUPPORT". Should I remove them ? > > It seems that from my reading of the code, the panic would not had happened > without INVARIANT. > It is these options that caused the panic, you either remove them from the kernel proper, or compile the kld with them. -lq To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 19:33:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC7014EC0; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:33:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA75644; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:32:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:32:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908220232.TAA75644@apollo.backplane.com> To: Doug Cc: "John S. Dyson" , Alfred Perlstein , Eivind Eklund , Peter Wemm , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NFS HEADS UP (was Re: cvs commit: src/sys/nfs nfsm_subs.h xdr_subs.h) References: <199908211156.GAA20231@dyson.iquest.net.> <199908211649.JAA73759@apollo.backplane.com> <37BF4420.452C5076@gorean.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> Does anyone know why our NFS clients are sending a separate RPC for each :> 8K buffer? If the dirty space is contiguous across a number of buffers :> we should be able to send a *SINGLE* commit rpc to the server. That would :> greatly reduce system overhead on both the client and server when writing :... :ASAP. The last hurdle (seemingly) on my big project at work that I've been :bugging so many of you about is the fact that FreeBSD NFS client writing to :Sun NFS server is just DOG slow. I did some pretty extensive testing on :this and couldn't come up with any client option twidding that made any :difference, except increasing wsize to 16k, which got me about 10%, but it :was still very slow. This is on a -current system from around the tenth of :August. : :Doug Well, this is definitely optimization I would love to do, but first I need to know whether it's legal to combine NFSv3 commit RPCs. If there are any NFS experts out there, I'm all ears! This would get rid of half the rpc transaction traffic for sequential writes. My read of the code seems to infer that it *is* legal. There's another optimization which was submitted to me which gets rid half the stat rpcs which I haven't even had time to look at yet. These particular optimizations would not reduce aggregate network bandwidth but it would cut the cpu load on the client and server in half for operations in question. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 19:37:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3C714FD9 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:37:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA75666; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:35:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:35:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199908220235.TAA75666@apollo.backplane.com> To: Luoqi Chen Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, roberto@keltia.freenix.fr Subject: Re: Panic with NFSv3 on a CURRENT/SMP system References: <199908220230.WAA08616@lor.watermarkgroup.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> I'm generating a core dump. Please note that as tara is my test machine, I use :> "INVARIANT" & "INVARIANT_SUPPORT". Should I remove them ? :> :> It seems that from my reading of the code, the panic would not had happened :> without INVARIANT. :> :It is these options that caused the panic, you either remove them from the :kernel proper, or compile the kld with them. : :-lq No mix and match, eh? I don't use kld's at all any more - at least not on the development kernel (CURRENT). Too many changes to system structures almost guarentee crashes when kld's are used. I run all my kernels with INVARIANTS and INVARIANT_SUPPORT, and all modules are built into the kernel. That works for me. -Matt Matthew Dillon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 19:48:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D180150FD for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:48:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA79852; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:47:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:47:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Dillon To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > Anyway, this module was meant more as a joke, but if you guys like it so > much you could vote for putting it in the tree... It's extremely small, so why not? Got my vote. :-) -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and Alpha architectures (SPARC under development). ( http://www.freebsd.org ) "One should admire Windows users. It takes a great deal of courage to trust Windows with your data." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 19:56:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A596150D5; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 19:56:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id LAA11914; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:56:24 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <37BF66A1.F41A3110@newsguy.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:55:29 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrzej Bialecki Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrzej Bialecki wrote: > > On Sat, 21 Aug 1999, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > FWIW, there are at least two other 'matrix' implementations out there. > > One is part of xscreensaver, and is quite nice -- it's even better if you > > halve the size of the image it's using first. This has the advantage that > > the characters actually look like the ones in the film (reversed numbers > > and Japanese katana (sp?) characters). That one's (obviously) X only. > > Katakana, IIRC. You know, if I only had more spare time I could do > something with VESA graphics - X is not really needed here. > > Anyway, this module was meant more as a joke, but if you guys like it so > much you could vote for putting it in the tree... What do you mean "vote"? I was waiting for it to show up on my tree after a cvsup! -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org - Can I speak to your superior? - There's some religious debate on that question. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 20:48:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from home.dragondata.com (home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D392515549; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:48:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from toasty@dragondata.com) Received: from dino (dino [204.137.237.6]) by home.dragondata.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA13971; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:47:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19990821224324.00ac9230@nfs.dragondata.com> X-Sender: toasty@nfs.dragondata.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:46:53 -0500 To: "Daniel C. Sobral" , Andrzej Bialecki From: Kevin Day Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <37BF66A1.F41A3110@newsguy.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A> Anyway, this module was meant more as a joke, but if you guys like it so > > much you could vote for putting it in the tree... > >What do you mean "vote"? I was waiting for it to show up on my tree >after a cvsup! I hate to keep bringing things like this up, or start a legal war, but this screensaver is more than likely a copyright and/or trademark violation, and bringing it into the source tree may not be a good idea. Yes, lots of people may be making things like this, but it would probably be best to distance FreeBSD itself from such a thing. Kevin (speaking as an employee of a company who's products are frequently infringed on, and have been through this exact situation before, except from the other side) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 20:49: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu (exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E151152F9 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:48:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu (ppp17.pm2a.wport.com [206.129.99.66]) by exegrnnts001.seattleu.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id RKP9CCCZ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:48:20 -0700 Message-ID: <37BF7326.6A209ADA@seattleu.edu> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:48:55 -0700 From: Eric Hodel Organization: Dis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Amancio Hasty , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [re]writable cdrom drive References: <199908180141.SAA93313@rah.star-gate.com> <199908180159.SAA41440@apollo.backplane.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matthew Dillon wrote: > > :Hate to ask, do we support CD-RW? > > Yup! In fact, I recommend that you get a 5-pack of CD-RW disks > so you don't turn your CD-R's into scrap while playing with the > unit. Scrap? HA! http://students.seattleu.edu/hodeleri/Images/CDs.gif -- Eric Hodel - hodeleri@seattleu.edu - Aspiring programmer & FPS minor demi-god. Customers will come to our 'home page' in unbelievable numbers and find out everything we want them to know. --Bill Gates To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 22:58: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC85152F8; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:57:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id OAA26463; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 14:56:41 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <37BF716A.2EF7B3BC@newsguy.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:41:30 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith Cc: Mitsuru IWASAKI , phk@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: if_de.c breakage ? References: <199908212138.OAA01366@dingo.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > > > Hi, my mentor :-) > > > > phk> Am I the only one to see these ? > > > > Me too. I found it other files as well. > > It seems that adding following line is required in some source code. > > > > #include > > Argh! I knew that taking it out of sys/systm.h was a bad idea. 8( That doesn't make it a bad idea. It just makes for some code fixing. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org - Come on. - Where are we going? - To get what you came for. - What's that? - Me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-current Sat Aug 21 23: 9:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D1114C15; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:09:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id PAA27675; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 15:09:02 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <37BF93C7.D6640EBC@newsguy.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 15:08:07 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Day Cc: Andrzej Bialecki , Nik Clayton , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "The Matrix" screensaver, v.0.2 References: <4.2.0.58.19990821224324.00ac9230@nfs.dragondata.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kevin Day wrote: > > A> Anyway, this module was meant more as a joke, but if you guys like it so > > > much you could vote for putting it in the tree... > > > >What do you mean "vote"? I was waiting for it to show up on my tree > >after a cvsup! > > I hate to keep bringing things like this up, or start a legal war, but this > screensaver is more than likely a copyright and/or trademark violation, and > bringing it into the source tree may not be a good idea. Yes, lots of > people may be making things like this, but it would probably be best to > distance FreeBSD itself from such a thing. MMmm... not sure... First, it is not an exact copy. Second, it has no mention of trademarked names. Third, The Matrix took it's idea from Ghost in the Shell in first place. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org - Come on. - Where are we going? - To get what you came for. - What's that? - Me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message