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So I have read through the dpc project primer, the docbook User Guide (is
it just me or isn't there really a port for this?) but I still have some
questions:

1) #include header files - there is no way to mark up the fact that the
thing at hand is a (possibly standard) header file. Should they be just
marked up as files (&lt;<filename>sys/queue.h</filename>&gt;) or the
status marked (&lt;<filename role="C header">sys/queue.h</filename>&gt;)
or ????

2) macros - there is only the <function> element, should macros be marked
up as functions? eg.
	<para>The macro <function>SLIST_ENTRY</function> declares a
	structure that connects the elements in the list.</para>

3) data types, data structures and data structure elements? 

	Sander

	There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future -
	all these are just illusions.



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SIr,

Norman Walsh has very recently fixed the two .dsl files we regularly
have to patch to get a correct and complete french localization. This
is part of the 1.42 DSSSL release.

Is there a chance it would become part of the docproj, this would help
integration of our translations ?

Thanks,

F. Haby  ( mailto:fhaby@freebsd-fr.org )


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Sir,

Here's the exact situation regarding our pdfjadetex "TeX capacity
exceeded ..." problem ( the french translation of the handbook as
become to big, and I can't compile the pdf version anymore, because it
reaches a maximum number of strings of 55941 )

1) I've tried to raise "max_strings" and others variables,

2) I've posted on on comp.text.tex as well as on our internal mailing
list and got the same answer : to define max_strings.jadetexpdf, etc.
and recompile the .fmt files. References were to a bug report on Debian
and a S. Ratz post

Both solutions did'nt solve the problem.

There might be some on this list who know TeX better than I do. Help
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

F. Haby ( mailto:fhaby@freebsd-fr.org )


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On Sun, 4 Jul 1999, Frédéric Haby wrote:

>Sir,
>
>Here's the exact situation regarding our pdfjadetex "TeX capacity
>exceeded ..." problem ( the french translation of the handbook as
>become to big, and I can't compile the pdf version anymore, because it
>reaches a maximum number of strings of 55941 )

[snip]

JadeTeX will dump statistics at the end of the log file. It might help
if I could see that and your texmf.cnf file.

This is what appears at the end of handbook.log when I build the
english version of handbook.pdf:

Here is how much of TeX's memory you used:
 44517 strings out of 55942
 278608 string characters out of 537150
 468746 words of memory out of 1363207
 38516 multiletter control sequences out of 10000+50000
 79069 words of font info for 124 fonts, out of 200000 for 1000
 15 hyphenation exceptions out of 1000
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500i,100n,500p,30000b,6000s
<8r.enc><cmmi10.pfb><cmmi9.pfb><cmmi8.pfb>
Output written on handbook.pdf (604 pages, 11603752 bytes).

-- Jay



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On Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 04:09:18PM +0400, Alexey M. Zelkin wrote:
> I am going with Russian MAN Translation Project and found that
> a lot of man pages in main source tree (like some gzip staff)
> not have cvs $Id$. Is it possible to add that ? It's should
> be very helpful in future updates synchronization.

I don't have a problem with it.  I've forwarded your message to the
-committers mailing list, in case anyone there has any objections.

N
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Aaron,

On Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 03:48:10AM -0700, Aaron Smith wrote:
> i'm credited on the page:
> 
> 19.6. Additional FreeBSD Contributors
> 
> as
> 
> Aaron Smith <aaron@tau.veritas.com>
> 
> can you please, please change my email address to
> 
> Aaron Smith <aaron@mutex.org>
> 
> tau was decomissioned a while ago, i'm not sure how
> that address wound up on there in the first place!

In case no one followed up on this to you, the change was made on 24th
June.

Thanks for letting us know.

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Tom,

On Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 09:41:30PM -0500, Tom Moog wrote:
> I am the maintainer of pccts 1.33, now at version 1.33mr19
> (maintenance release 19).  The information you have on
> pccts is woefully out-of-date.  

Your message came through to the FreeBSD -doc mailing list, which is
primarily for issues concerning FreeBSD documentation.  I've forwarded
your message on to the FreeBSD ports system maintainers for further 
action.  The ports maintainer, Andrey Zakhvatov, will probably be 
contacting you in due course.

Thanks for letting us know.

N
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On Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 12:14:01PM +0300, Narvi wrote:
> So I have read through the dpc project primer, the docbook User Guide (is
> it just me or isn't there really a port for this?) but I still have some
> questions:
> 
> 1) #include header files - there is no way to mark up the fact that the
> thing at hand is a (possibly standard) header file. Should they be just
> marked up as files (&lt;<filename>sys/queue.h</filename>&gt;) or the
> status marked (&lt;<filename role="C header">sys/queue.h</filename>&gt;)
> or ????

In theory you could use the role attribute as you have done.  So far I
haven't, reasoning that (a) it's probably overkill, and (b) we'd need to
come up with a long list of allowed roles, which I haven't given any 
thought to.

For FDP stuff I'd recommend just using <filename>.

> 2) macros - there is only the <function> element, should macros be marked
> up as functions? eg.
> 	<para>The macro <function>SLIST_ENTRY</function> declares a
> 	structure that connects the elements in the list.</para>

Good question.  Here a role attribute might be more appropriate, as
<function role="macro">, although a simple <function> is probably 
sufficient.

> 3) data types, data structures and data structure elements? 

In what context?  In the middle of a paragraph I'd normally use
<literal>.

It might be worth asking these questions on the main DocBook mailing
list as well, davenport@berkshire.net, to see how other DocBook users
marked up the same information.

N
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Synopsis: On a sample in the printing section of The HandBook

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Fix applied, thanks.


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On Thu, Jul 01, 1999 at 08:24:14AM -0400, Tim Singletary wrote:
> I just noticed that FreeBSD 3.2 doesn't have man pages for the ndbm 
> functions (dbm_open(), dbm_close(), dbm_fetch(), etc) even though 
> these are in libc. 

Do you happen to know which part of the source tree they come from?
I'm running 3.2-stable, which has /usr/src/lib/libc/man/, and manual
pages for dbopen(3), btree(3), and so on.

A look in /usr/src/lib/libc/db/hash/ shows the dbm_* functions are
defined here, but it also looks like the proper way to use them is
via the dbopen(3) function.

> Is this the appropriate place to ask why?  

Sort of.  I'm not a dbm_ programmer, and if no one else answers with
authorative advice you may be better off double checking on the -questions
or -hackers mailing lists first.

> Is anyone fixing this?  

Not that I know of.

> If not, I can submit a bare-bone stub-of-a-man-page for these 
> functions ... 

Please do, using send-pr(1) if at all possible.  As I say, please check
on -questions or -hackers first though.

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On Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 02:15:52PM -0400, Spidey wrote:
> dsssl-docbook-modular-1.40
> 
> Here too, it's seems...

OK, I'm stumped now.  I don't suppose the problem's miraculously 
disappeared has it?

> > This is 'cos the FAQ isn't in DocBook.  When it is, it won't be a problem.
> 
> OK.. Is it part of the project?

Yes, quite definitely.

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On Tue, Jun 15, 1999 at 09:08:14AM +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote:
> Can someone add this group? 
> 
> Thanks, Wolfram
> 
> ----- Forwarded message from Christopher Sean Hilton <chris@vindaloo.com> -----
> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:01:31 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Christopher Sean Hilton <chris@vindaloo.com>
> To: www@FreeBSD.ORG, rinaldi@cfug.org
> Subject: Can we get a listing for CFUG (Connecticut Free Unix users Group)?
> 
> Can we get a listing for CFUG on the FreeBSD User's group page at
> www.cfug.org? We are are group devoted to Free Unix in specifically but
> with resources for almost all Unixen. Our area of operation is pretty much
> Connecticut and Western Massachusetts.

I'm adding this very shortly.

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On Thu, Jun 17, 1999 at 10:51:02AM +0200, Wolfram Schneider wrote:
> ----- Forwarded message from Anders Beckman <Anders.Beckman@midcon.se> -----
> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:28:46 +0200
> To: wosch@FreeBSD.org
> From: Anders Beckman <Anders.Beckman@midcon.se>
> Subject: Y2K info
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I read your Y2K page - a readable and informative page, but I disagree
> strongly with the statement under What you can do:
> 
> "There are tests that you can perform to see how your system will respond.
> Set your clock to a few minutes before midnight on
> New Year's Eve and watch the system time. Your system should display the
> year as 2000 and not 1900. If the year is displayed
> incorrectly, then you will have plenty of time to update your hardware.
> Operating your organizations information systems under
> their normal daily load with the clock set forward can provide valuable
> insight into your vulnerablility to year 2000 issues."
> 
> This test will not reveal BIOS/RTC problems in hardware. And setting the
> clock forward in systems in daily use may result in a lot of unneccessary
> problems (such as bad billing dates, file backup confusion etc etc etc).
> 
> Mail me if you need more detailed comments!

I've added the following to this page, which should cover your suggestion.
If you think it should be reworded, please get in touch;

    <blockquote>
      <strong>Important:</strong> Do <strong>not</strong> do this on a live
      production system.  You may confuse any applications you have which rely 
      on dates (billing systems, backup regimes, and so on).  Always conduct
      tests like this on development systems which can not affect any live
      data you may have.
    </blockquote>

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cc: to -core added.

On Tue, Jun 22, 1999 at 02:26:47PM -0500, Chris Costello wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 22, 1999, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote:
> > FREEBSD-POLICY                      FreeBSD Core Team Policy Decisions 
> > This is the mailing list for FreeBSD Core Team Policy Decisions.
> > This is a low volume list.  This list is "read only".
> > 
> > 
> > FREEBSD-IPFW                                Ipfw Technical discussions
> > This is a forum for technical discussions concering the redesign
> > of the IP firewall code in FreeBSD.  It is for individuals actively
> > working on this part of FreeBSD, to bring up problems or discuss
> > alternative solutions.  Individuals interested in following the
> > technical discussion are also welcome.
> 
>    Has anyone already added these to the handbook (or are they
> working on it)?  If not, I will do it.

I'm adding them now.  Core, why do we need "freebsd-policy"?  Isn't
that role also covered by freebsd-announce?

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To: Motoyuki Konno <motoyuki@snipe.rim.or.jp>
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On Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 03:47:51AM +0900, Motoyuki Konno wrote:
> > None of the previous objectors have commented on this yet.  Can I assume
> > that those of you with an interest have run the script that was attached,
> > and are happy with the results?
> 
> Your note (in <19990628212827.C5662@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>)
> includes your plan for the CVS repository copy ONLY.

Yes, that's right.

> Please show me your final plan for the following things.

OK.  They're not the final plan, because, nearer the time, this will 
obviously be opened up to wider comment.  I don't want too much 
discussion about this now, because it's bogging down the whole process.
Although, obviously, if people really want to go through it all now then
we can.

Note that I'm flexible on all of this, what follows is my take on what 
I'd want it to be if we had the freedom to do it all over again.

> 1. Install directory problem
> 
>    In your mail <19990628205537.B5662@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>,
>    > > We have no problem with having a framework to let people choose.
>    > > We're just saying that we would like to choose a default that makes
>    > > sense to most Japanese systems and have people with special
>    > > requirements (such as the ones you mentioned above) change it by
>    > > themselves.
>    >  
>    > OK.
> 
>    I understood this ("OK") means the default install directory
>    of documents will not move.  Is this right?
> 
>       o  The default install directory is [lang] ('ja' for Japanese).

Correct.

>       o  Make a symlink [lang]_[territory].[encoding] ('ja_JP.eucJP'
>          for Japanese).
>          # ln -s ja ja_JP.eucJP

Correct, in the first instance.  In the very long run I'll be pushing for
this to change so that the fully qualified directory name is the default,
and ja/ is the symlink.  I want this to be the way for *every* language
(English, Japanese, Spanish, Chinese, Hungarian, French, Malay, ...).

This change is at least a year in the future, probably more.

> 2. URLs of Web.
> 
>    Do you want to re-organize the URLs of Web pages ?

Yes and no.  Or no and yes might be a better answer.

The existing URLs will not change.  

However, I would like to be able to put together an FDP web server,
docs.freebsd.org, or similar, which would serve just the FreeBSD 
documentation.  This will do all sorts of clever things, like automatically
detect the user's browser language configuration, and send them to the
right homepage.  In time this sort of functionality may be retrofitted
back to www.freebsd.org, but it's simpler to start it from a clean slate.

So, you will be able to tell people to go to either www.freebsd.org/ja/
or docs.freebsd.org/ja_JP.eucJP/ for the same content (Japanese Handbook,
and so on).  In the short term, docs.freebsd.org will have more features.

Note that in this case, the short term is somewhere between 6 months and
a year away.

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The following reply was made to PR docs/12435; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk>
To: shade@dnai.com
Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: docs/12435: allied telesys is now allied telesyn
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 21:20:23 +0100

 On Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 12:55:44PM -0700, shade@dnai.com wrote:
 > >Synopsis:       allied telesys is now allied telesyn
 > 
 > >Description:
 > Allied Telesys has renamed itself to Allied Telesyn.
 > Docs should be updated to reflect this (the supported hardware list being the 
 > major thing i can think of)
 
 Do you know which docs?  I've just grepped through the handbook and the
 website, and can't find a reference to "Telesys" (a case insensitive search)
 anywhere.
 
 The only reference I could find for "Telesyn" is in the 3.2 release notes.
 
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From owner-freebsd-doc  Sun Jul  4 15:18:41 1999
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Kazuo Horikawa wrote:
> The reason why tag is needed (1)
[...]

The tags won't be totally removed from the new copies.  They'll
simply be renamed by prefixing each tag with "old".  For example,
"RELEASE_2_2_6" will be renamed to "oldRELEASE_2_2_6".

The original tags (with their names unchanged) will still exist in
the original files.

This is the way we always do repository copies, and there is a simple
and good reason for it.  The repository holds the history of the
project.  History is something that happened in the past.  It is
immutable.  The tag "RELEASE_2_2_6" must mean the same thing a year
from now that it means today.  If we copied the tags without renaming
them, it would be equivalent to changing the past.  The new copies
did not exist at the time of RELEASE_2_2_6.  I do not want to make it
suddenly appear as if they had existed at that time.

You will still be able to get the diffs you want in two different
ways.

1. Diff the files in their original locations using the original tags.

2. Diff the files in their new locations using the renamed
(oldRELEASE_2_2_6) tags.

John
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--- Big Brother told Nik Clayton to write, at 20:22 of July 4:
> On Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 02:15:52PM -0400, Spidey wrote:
> > dsssl-docbook-modular-1.40
> > 
> > Here too, it's seems...
> 
> OK, I'm stumped now.  I don't suppose the problem's miraculously 
> disappeared has it?

No... of course. But now I can build one gigantic handbook... that's
better than nothing... :)

I don't know what else we could do about this...
 
> > > This is 'cos the FAQ isn't in DocBook.  When it is, it won't be a problem.
> > 
> > OK.. Is it part of the project?
> 
> Yes, quite definitely.

Great!

thanks for everything...

ants.

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Nik Clayton wrote:

> I've just done this for you test out.  The generated .tar.gz file is
> huge (roughly 6 MB in size).  Mine is but a puny modem, and I'd spend
> ages uploading it.
> 
> So, here are my notes on what I did, accompanied by a small shell script
> that recreates the actions I did.
> 
> To use it, make sure you have the doc/ repository in /home/ncvs/doc, and
> plenty of spare room in /var/tmp/.  A /var/tmp/FDP directory will be
> created, and all the work is carried out in there.

OK, I've run the script and what comes out looks fine to me in terms
of CVS repository issues (modulo the tags, which are a job for my own
shell script).  All the original files are still there, unchanged.
Nice job -- it would have taken me four forevers to do it myself,
since I don't have a firm grip on the big picture.

> 6MB to 4KB.  What an incredible compression ratio :-)

Agreed.  There was actually a paper [1] presented at this year's
Usenix on this technique.  It seems pretty unpromising to me as a
general compression algorithm, but it worked very nicely in this case.
:-)

John

[1] Yui-Wah Lee, Kwong-Sak Leung, and Mahadev Satyanarayanan,
"Operation-based Update Propagation in a Mobile File System".


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From:The SFSE(Scientific Facts Search Engine).

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> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 21:02:45 +0100
> From: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk>
> 
> I'm adding them now.  Core, why do we need "freebsd-policy"?  Isn't
> that role also covered by freebsd-announce?



	at Usenix core specifically expressed the desire for a mailing
list, other than announce, which will carry all core decisions.  it
has happened that people have mistaken statements by one member of
core for statements by the Core Team.  

	If it did not appear in freebsd-policy, it aint freebsd
policy.  this email excepted?  ;P

jmb
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From owner-freebsd-doc  Mon Jul  5  7:49:43 1999
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> A look in /usr/src/lib/libc/db/hash/ shows the dbm_* functions are 
> defined here, but it also looks like the proper way to use them is 
> via the dbopen(3) function. 

dbopen() is a much better interface, and any documentation of the
dbm_* functions should reference dbopen(3).

But dbopen() is not in `The Single UNIX Specification' (somewhere
under http://www.opengroup.org/) and is not included in Solaris; the
dbm_* functions are.   Since legacy and `portable' code calls the dbm_*
functions directly, FreeBSD should document these functions.

I assume the best place for dbm_* man pages is the
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Current FreeBSD problem reports

The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users.
These represent problem reports covering all versions including
experimental development code and obsolete releases.

Bugs can be in one of several states:

o - open
     A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed.

a - analyzed
     The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated.

f - feedback
     The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a
     patch or a fix has been committed.  The PR remains in this state
     pending a response from the originator.

s - suspended
     The problem is not being worked on.  This is a prime candidate
     for somebody who is looking for a project to do.
     If the problem cannot be solved at all,
     it will be closed, rather than suspended.

c - closed
     A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated,
     documented, and tested.

Critical problems

S  Submitted   Tracker     Resp.    Description
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
o [1999/06/24] docs/12377 doc      differences of a NULL login class need am

1 problem total.

Serious problems

S  Submitted   Tracker     Resp.    Description
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
o [1999/06/12] docs/12181 doc      [Patch] doc/en/handbook/kernelconfig/chap
o [1999/06/23] docs/12372 doc      man page HISTORY for strdup is wrong

2 problems total.

Non-critical problems

S  Submitted   Tracker     Resp.    Description
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
o [1998/04/14] docs/6295  doc      Reference to nonexistent file in Device D
o [1998/04/15] docs/6307  doc      sgmlfmt not `make -jN' ready
a [1998/07/31] docs/7456  doc      dialog(3) man page outdated
a [1998/08/31] docs/7791  doc      ipf(1) and ipfstat(1) should have been ip
o [1998/09/13] docs/7914  doc      no elf(5) manpage
o [1998/10/25] docs/8445  doc      Update of "Installing Mathematica on Free
o [1999/02/11] docs/10038 doc      Added a site and bug fix (part two)
o [1999/02/14] docs/10084 doc      new FreeBSD user group in Yogyakarta City
o [1999/02/14] docs/10085 doc      NIS Setup Tutorial
o [1999/02/14] docs/10098 doc      Lack of overall guide for NIS setup
o [1999/02/21] docs/10180 doc      Another mirror site not listed...
o [1999/02/21] docs/10182 doc      http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?p
o [1999/02/25] docs/10240 doc      We need a script which check if our web m
o [1999/03/07] docs/10472 doc      Mailing list for discussion of Xircom dri
o [1999/03/08] docs/10488 doc      Error in entry for 02/27 in calendar.hist
o [1999/03/09] docs/10512 doc      ENOBUFS returnable from writev(2) but not
o [1999/03/18] docs/10660 doc      User Group not listed
o [1999/03/18] docs/10664 doc      Notes on 2.2.8 -> 3.1 migration
o [1999/03/23] docs/10762 doc      geocrawler.com mailing list archives
o [1999/03/29] docs/10850 doc      submitting a documentation change for sed
o [1999/04/07] docs/10997 doc      Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi
o [1999/04/11] docs/11087 doc      Portland FreeBSD users group
o [1999/04/11] docs/11089 doc      freebsd user group, sydney
o [1999/04/11] docs/11090 doc      User's group in Melbourne Australia
o [1999/04/21] docs/11258 doc      suggestion to refine npx.4
o [1999/05/11] docs/11643 doc      handbook should state alternatives
o [1999/06/01] docs/11978 doc      timed(8) manpage does not define '-F' swi
o [1999/06/04] docs/12021 doc      support.sgml Sydney UG update
o [1999/06/07] docs/12075 doc      [PATCH] Ports Changes Page Does not List 
o [1999/06/10] docs/12128 doc      Cosmetics changes in eresoureses.sgml
o [1999/06/11] docs/12132 doc      Invalid URL at http://www.freebsd.org/int
o [1999/06/15] docs/12220 doc      No manual page on system command "getkern
o [1999/06/19] docs/12302 doc      Clarification of the static_routes variab
o [1999/06/22] docs/12343 doc      make.conf error in documentation (COM2)
o [1999/06/22] docs/12344 doc      ntpdate flags, usage statement, man page 
o [1999/06/23] docs/12360 doc      telnet(1) man-page doesn't describe skey 
o [1999/06/28] docs/12435 doc      allied telesys is now allied telesyn
o [1999/06/28] docs/12440 doc      added an example to diff(1) man page

38 problems total.



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From: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk>
To: Tim Singletary <tsingle@talon.clark.net>
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Subject: Re: ndbm function man pages?
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On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 10:59:59AM -0400, Tim Singletary wrote:
> > A look in /usr/src/lib/libc/db/hash/ shows the dbm_* functions are 
> > defined here, but it also looks like the proper way to use them is 
> > via the dbopen(3) function. 
> 
> dbopen() is a much better interface, and any documentation of the
> dbm_* functions should reference dbopen(3).
> 
> But dbopen() is not in `The Single UNIX Specification' (somewhere
> under http://www.opengroup.org/) and is not included in Solaris; the
> dbm_* functions are.   Since legacy and `portable' code calls the dbm_*
> functions directly, FreeBSD should document these functions.

Agreed.

> I assume the best place for dbm_* man pages is the
> /usr/src/lib/libc/db/man directory? 

Almost certainly.  If you'd like to write some manual pages that'd be
great.  When you've done so, please make them available for others to
check out, and post a heads-up message about them here and to -hackers.
If someone else (preferably a FreeBSD committer) can then review them
for accuracy I'll gladly commit them in to the tree.

Thanks for volunteering to do this.

N
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Synopsis: ntpdate flags, usage statement, man page are slightly different

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To: Spiderman <billy@isyndicate.com>
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Subject: Re: sup(1) in FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE
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On Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 02:36:16PM -0700, Spiderman wrote:
> In cvsup(1) there is a refrence to sup(1) which doesn't exist.
> Should it exist?

No it shouldn't.  However, CVSup is a port, rather than a part of the
FreeBSD base system, so this should ideally have gone to 
cvsup-bugs@polstra.com.  Thanks for the report though.

I've forwarded your message on to John Polstra, who has said that the
next release will have that note removed from the documentation.

Once again, thanks for letting us know.

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On Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 04:32:05PM +0200, Frdric Haby wrote:
> Here's the exact situation regarding our pdfjadetex "TeX capacity
> exceeded ..." problem ( the french translation of the handbook as
> become to big, and I can't compile the pdf version anymore, because it
> reaches a maximum number of strings of 55941 )
> 
> 1) I've tried to raise "max_strings" and others variables,
> 
> 2) I've posted on on comp.text.tex as well as on our internal mailing
> list and got the same answer : to define max_strings.jadetexpdf, etc.
> and recompile the .fmt files. References were to a bug report on Debian
> and a S. Ratz post
> 
> Both solutions did'nt solve the problem.
> 
> There might be some on this list who know TeX better than I do. Help
> would be greatly appreciated.

Just for the record, this one has me stumped.  There's shortly going
to be new version of teTeX in the ports tree (1.0.4 or 1.0.5, it's out
of beta now) and you might like to try that to see if it fixes the 
problem.

N
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On Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 03:59:58PM -0700, John Polstra wrote:
> Nik Clayton wrote:
> > So, here are my notes on what I did, accompanied by a small shell script
> > that recreates the actions I did.
> > 
> > To use it, make sure you have the doc/ repository in /home/ncvs/doc, and
> > plenty of spare room in /var/tmp/.  A /var/tmp/FDP directory will be
> > created, and all the work is carried out in there.
> 
> OK, I've run the script and what comes out looks fine to me in terms
> of CVS repository issues (modulo the tags, which are a job for my own
> shell script).  

I'm not convinced you need to do anything with the tags, at least not
for the Japanese documentation.

Normally, we use tags to indicate the boundary of a major change.  For
example, the RELENG_* tags reflect the state of the tree at a particular
release point.

I completely agree that these sort of tags should not be propogated to the
new files.  Fortunately, I don't think we have any of these sort of tags
in the doc/ tree.

However, with the Japanese documentation this is not the case.  The tags
there don't mean "This documentation was released with 3.1", but instead
mean "This documentation is now in sync with the English version that was
released at 3.1".  The two meanings are not the same.

In the repository copy we're not changing the content of the manual pages.
So the tags that indicate which revisions of the file correspond with the
revision of the file at the English release number should stay the same.

N
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On Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 05:30:13PM -0700, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote:
> > Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 21:02:45 +0100
> > From: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk>
> > I'm adding them now.  Core, why do we need "freebsd-policy"?  Isn't
> > that role also covered by freebsd-announce?
> 
> 	at Usenix core specifically expressed the desire for a mailing
> list, other than announce, which will carry all core decisions.  it
> has happened that people have mistaken statements by one member of
> core for statements by the Core Team.  
> 
> 	If it did not appear in freebsd-policy, it aint freebsd
> policy.  this email excepted?  ;P

Fair enough.  If someone's already subscribed to -announce should they
subscribe to -policy as well, or will all -policy messages be cc'd to
-announce?

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On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 11:39:19PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 05:30:13PM -0700, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote:
> > > Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 21:02:45 +0100
> > > From: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk>
> > > I'm adding them now.  Core, why do we need "freebsd-policy"?  Isn't
> > > that role also covered by freebsd-announce?
> > 
> > 	at Usenix core specifically expressed the desire for a mailing
> > list, other than announce, which will carry all core decisions.  it
> > has happened that people have mistaken statements by one member of
> > core for statements by the Core Team.  
> > 
> > 	If it did not appear in freebsd-policy, it aint freebsd
> > policy.  this email excepted?  ;P
> 
> Fair enough.  If someone's already subscribed to -announce should they
> subscribe to -policy as well, or will all -policy messages be cc'd to
> -announce?

I imagine most would be boring to a lot of us lowly -announce
subscribers who just want to know when the next version's available
without getting a full mailbox. The Really Quick Newsletter could pick
up any interesting policy announcements.

-- 

Regards,
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> Fair enough.  If someone's already subscribed to -announce should they
> subscribe to -policy as well, or will all -policy messages be cc'd to
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	you should subscribe to policy.  not all policy statements
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From time to time people ask questions about the serial console.  As
README.serial is buried deep inside the kernel source tree, it's almost
time to have a decent text on the serial console in our handbook.

I am reformatting README.serial so that it can be included in our
handbook, and adding bits and pieces to clarify things.  I haven't
finished it yet, but would like to have your comments now, so that we
can make it more informative and useful.

I put up the HTML version in:

	http://www.freebsd.org/~yokota/serialconsole.html

and the SGML version in:

	ftp://www.freebsd.org/~yokota/serial-console.sgml

Please have a look and send me comments, corrections, additional
useful text, relevant pointers, etc.

Some notes:

- The text describes FreeBSD versions 3.0 and 3.1 or later.  Version
3.0 doesn't have our new boot loader, so there is a note in the
introduction section about it.

- Because there are many differences regarding the serial console
setup between 2.X systems and 3.X systems, I don't directly deal with
2.X systems in this text.

- I am not a SGML expart ;-< formatting and links may be wrong.

- Some sections are not yet finished :-)

- The chapter number is arbitrary.  When this text will be eventually
included in the handbook, I expect Nik will put it somewhere suitable
and give appropriate chapter number.


Thank you.

Kazu

PS: I don't subscribe to the doc ML.  Please send mail to the hackers ML
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I've added doc@freebsd.org to the distribution list, for obvious reasons.

On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 02:16:36PM -0500, Chris Costello wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 5, 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote:
> > I'm in favor of the rtfm script. It's amazing the positive
> > things that come out of an offhand IRC comment.
> > 
> > [ from http://www.emsphone.com/FreeBSD/log.cgi/19990704.txt ]
> > 
> > [15:33] <cmc> First it'll search the man pages.  Then the handbook.  Then
> > the FAQ.  Then, maybe see if I can find out if they start bitching, and if
> > so, email Jesus Monroy.
> 
>    Note that I can't figure out a decent way to search the
> Handbook at this point, but I'm open to ideas.

There are a couple of ways you could do it.  Some of them more optimal 
than others.

   Executive summary:  sgrep is probably your best choice now, which can
   can be found at <URL:http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/~jjaakkol/sgrep.html>. 
   But read on for more.

The simplest way is to assume that the user has the plain text handbook
installed, and do a simple grep through that for what you're looking for.

This is nice and easy to do, but doesn't take advantage of the additional
smarts built in to the Handbook's native format.  To do that requires some
additional work.

A brief recap for those not au fait with how the Handbook is organised in
source form. 

  The Handbook is 'marked up' in a language called DocBook.  DocBook was
  designed specifically for formatting technical documentation, and looks
  a lot like HTML.  However, instead of tags like <em>, <b>, <ul>, and so
  on, DocBook has tags like <example>, <screen>, <userinput>, <devicename>,
  <filename>, and so forth.

  A document that is marked up in DocBook therefore contains a lot of 
  additional semantic information about the content (and very little 
  formatting information).

  When the Handbook is converted to HTML, some of this semantic information
  is retained.  For example, the DocBook source for an example that the
  user might want to copy verbatim would look like,

      <screen><prompt>#</prompt> <userinput>rm -rf /</userinput></screen>

  and might be converted to HTML that looks like

      <blockquote class="screen">
        <tt><span class="prompt">#</span> <span 
          class="userinput">rm -rf /</span></tt>
      </blockquote>

  Lots more information can be found at 
  http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/docproj-primer/.

A smart searching mechanism will be able to use this additional semantic
information to reject (or lower the rankings of) results that don't match
what the user wanted.

For example, suppose you're searching the Handbook for examples of the 
make(1) command in action.  The simple string "make" occurs lots of times
in the Handbook.  However, you're only interested in those sections where
it occurs *inside* a <userinput> element; all the other occurences can be
ignored.

For a simple rtfm(1) style search most of this can probably be ignored, and
you can just search the plain text handbook.  But even then you might want
to provide switches that allow the user to specify:

  -  Only match this word if found in an example

  -  Only match this word if found in a title

  -  Only match this word if found in a command name

and so on.

How do you do that?  Good question.  This has been on my list of things
to investigate (at the back of my mind) for a while, but more important
things have taken my time.  If anyone's interested in doing this, here's
what I've discovered.

You could go the full SGML route.  This would involve building an 
application that can parse the DocBook source of the Handbook (and other
articles, and soon to be the FAQ) and allow the user to do their queries
using this application.  This is probably the most 'correct' route from
a purist point of view, but is an awful lot of work.

You could go the XML route.  XML is the buzzword of the moment, can be 
thought of as being SGML-Lite.  Writing an XML parser is much easier than
writing an SGML parser, and you could write an XML aware application could
parse the Handbook and other docs, returning results that only appeared
inside certain elements.  This is still a chunk of work, and the end user
will need to keep an XML copy of the documentation somewhere on their disk.
Converting from SGML to XML is not a hard problem for our documents though,
so at least that hurdle is skipped.

For an example of this, check out SCOOBS, at <URL:http://www.scoobs.com/>.
This is still probably too heavyweight a solution though.

*Much* simpler is to build a grep-alike that understands structured 
documents, but that doesn't care how those documents are structured.  This
is such a great idea that someone's already done it -- sgrep, which can
be found at <URL:http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/~jjaakkol/sgrep.html> can 
search structured text (such as DocBook, HTML, or even mail files).

Some examples of sgrep queries;

    sgrep 'start or "\n" .. (end or "\n") containing "Hello World"'

You can define macros in sgrep, so the above could be simplified to

    sgrep 'LINE containing "Hello World"'

If you wanted to find all the From: fields in a Unix mbox file;

    sgrep '"\nFrom: " .. "\n" extracting ("\n" in "\nFrom: ")'

or with macros

    sgrep 'MAIL_FROM'

Print out the title from a collection of HTML documents in which the word
"SGML" is mentioned more than 12 times, or which have the word "SGML" 
inside H1 or H2 elements;

    sgrep 'HTML_TITLE in (start .. end containing (\
        join(12,"SGML") or (HTML_H1 or HTML_H2 containing "SGML") ) )' *.html

rtfm(1) could provide a simpler front-end to a series of canned sgrep 
searches, depending on switches passed to rtfm(1).

As you can probably tell, I'm in favour of the sgrep(1) approach, simply
because you'll get something working much faster.  

One caveat though -- the sgrep query language is not standard, and is only
implemented by sgrep.  There is a proposal going through for something 
called XQL, the XML Query Language.  In the long run, something that
supported searching using XQL is likely to be most useful.  But in the 
short-term, sgrep will probably get you up and running quickly.

More information about XQL can be found at
<URL:http://www.w3.org/TandS/QL/QL98/pp/xql.html>.  If you do a search
for "xql" at Google (<URL:http://www.google.com/>) then you'll turn up 
all sorts of goodies, including various Perl and Python interfaces to 
XQL, which might make writing an XQL search system easier.

HTH,

N
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On Tue, Jun 29, 1999 at 02:46:21PM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> I've noticed that this bit of -core policy never made it into
> section 20 of the handbook, could one of you guys SGMLify it
> and add it please ?

I'm getting around to this now.  Where (exactly) do you want it?

Should it be a subsection of the "Contributed software" section, or do
you want it as a section in it's own right.

This is the difference between

    20. Source Tree Guidelines and Policies

          MAINTAINER on Makefiles
          Contributed Software
          Shared Libraries

(i.e., it doesn't appear in the index, because it's a sub-section) and

    20. Source Tree Guidelines and Policies
    
          MAINTAINER on Makefiles
          Contributed Software
          Encumbered Files
          Shared Libraries

(i.e., it appears at the same level as the other three).

Also, you wrote:

> Policy on encumbered files in the source tree
> 
> -- PUBLIC SECTION --------------------------------------------------
> 
> 1. Any file which is interpreted or executed by the system CPU(s)
>    and not in source format is encumbered.

<snip>

> -- (CORE) PRIVATE SECTION ------------------------------------------
> 
> 5. Encumbered files go in src/contrib or src/sys/contrib

<snip>

What's with the "PRIVATE SECTION"?  Was this a mistake, or do you want
the whole lot added?

N
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It should probably be it's own section in the index, under the
general title of "House rules for developers"

In message <19990706163801.I15628@lehman.com>, Nik Clayton writes:
>On Tue, Jun 29, 1999 at 02:46:21PM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>> I've noticed that this bit of -core policy never made it into
>> section 20 of the handbook, could one of you guys SGMLify it
>> and add it please ?
>
>I'm getting around to this now.  Where (exactly) do you want it?
>
>Should it be a subsection of the "Contributed software" section, or do
>you want it as a section in it's own right.
>
>This is the difference between
>
>    20. Source Tree Guidelines and Policies
>
>          MAINTAINER on Makefiles
>          Contributed Software
>          Shared Libraries
>
>(i.e., it doesn't appear in the index, because it's a sub-section) and
>
>    20. Source Tree Guidelines and Policies
>    
>          MAINTAINER on Makefiles
>          Contributed Software
>          Encumbered Files
>          Shared Libraries
>
>(i.e., it appears at the same level as the other three).
>
>Also, you wrote:
>
>> Policy on encumbered files in the source tree
>> 
>> -- PUBLIC SECTION --------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> 1. Any file which is interpreted or executed by the system CPU(s)
>>    and not in source format is encumbered.
>
><snip>
>
>> -- (CORE) PRIVATE SECTION ------------------------------------------
>> 
>> 5. Encumbered files go in src/contrib or src/sys/contrib
>
><snip>
>
>What's with the "PRIVATE SECTION"?  Was this a mistake, or do you want
>the whole lot added?
>
>N
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On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 05:44:57PM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> It should probably be it's own section in the index, under the
> general title of "House rules for developers"

OK.  What about my second question, which I've requoted below?

> >Also, you wrote:
> >
> >> Policy on encumbered files in the source tree
> >> 
> >> -- PUBLIC SECTION --------------------------------------------------
> >> 
> >> 1. Any file which is interpreted or executed by the system CPU(s)
> >>    and not in source format is encumbered.
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >> -- (CORE) PRIVATE SECTION ------------------------------------------
> >> 
> >> 5. Encumbered files go in src/contrib or src/sys/contrib
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >What's with the "PRIVATE SECTION"?  Was this a mistake, or do you want
> >the whole lot added?

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In message <19990706170133.K15628@lehman.com>, Nik Clayton writes:
>On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 05:44:57PM +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>> It should probably be it's own section in the index, under the
>> general title of "House rules for developers"
>
>OK.  What about my second question, which I've requoted below?

Ohh, sorry.   The idea was that the stuff in the private section
is implementation details, and core gets to change them with no
notice.

It may be a bad format for the handbook...

>> >Also, you wrote:
>> >
>> >> Policy on encumbered files in the source tree
>> >> 
>> >> -- PUBLIC SECTION --------------------------------------------------
>> >> 
>> >> 1. Any file which is interpreted or executed by the system CPU(s)
>> >>    and not in source format is encumbered.
>> >
>> ><snip>
>> >
>> >> -- (CORE) PRIVATE SECTION ------------------------------------------
>> >> 
>> >> 5. Encumbered files go in src/contrib or src/sys/contrib
>> >
>> ><snip>
>> >
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Hi,
 
I recently had to convert truetype fonts for use with groff.
I thought this might be a useful addition to Dave Bodenstab's
*excellent* primer (http://www.pt.freebsd.org/tutorials/fonts/fonts.html). 

It currently states:
 
    "Using TrueType with groff is difficult because groff would need a
    font description file, and I know of no tools to construct the
    metrics from a TrueType font. In addition, the font would have to
    be downloaded to postscript printers in the appropriate format,
    and again, groff cannot handle TrueType fonts in this fashion."
 
I figured out how to address the first part of this pretty well.
Here's a synopsis of what I've got:  
    
    - Works fine with groff
    - Printing must use ghostscript with the proper printer device name
      (such as ljet4 for HP-PCL)
    - Still doesn't work for pure postscript printer. Must use gs and  
      some native printer language supported by the printer (e.g., PCL)
      OR the printer must somehow get copies of the postscript font loaded
      onto it.
    - I ended up finding a different afmtodit utility than what
      he talks about. Seems like either works.
    - Some points are just my best guess at an explanation, but the
      results do work...

Suggestions:

- I'm wondering if the ttf2ps util I found might also be considered
for inclusion with the FreeBSD distribution?
 
- He refers to ghostscript 4.01 in the current writeup. You might want to
update this to mention that ghostscript 5.10 does a much better
job of handling some of the truetype stuff.
 
...

So, below is the relevant part of some doc I did for my project.
I also attached a lame html version.
 
Thanks for your time.
 
k.

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...

    2. Converting the font to a groff/postscript format for groff

    This requires potentially a bit more work, simply becuase it
    depends on some utilities that often aren't installed or
    downloaded. They are:

    ttf2pf - TrueType to postscript convertsion utilities. This
    allows conversion of a TrueType font to an ascii font metric
    (.afm) file.

    Currently available at:
     http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/GUST/contrib/BachoTeX98/ttf2pf/.
    Note: These files are postscript programs and must be downloaded
    to disk by holding down the shift key when clicking on the
    link. Otherwise, your browser may try to launch ghostview to
    view them.

    The files of interest are:

                      GS_TTF.PS
                      PF2AFM.PS
                      ttf2pf.ps

    The funny upper/lower case is due to their being intended also
    for DOS shells.  ttf2pf.ps makes use of the others as upper
    case, so any renaming must be consistent with this. (Actually,
    GS_TTF.PS and PFS2AFM.PS are supposedly part of the ghostscript
    distribution, but it's just as easy to use these as an isolated
    utility.  FreeBSD doesn't seem to include the latter.) You also
    may want to have these installed to /usr/local/bin, or ...(?)

    afmtodit  - Create font files for use with groff, using a .afm
    file. This usually resides in the directory,
    /usr/src/contrib/groff/afmtodit, and requires some work to get
    going.

    If you're paranoid about working in the /usr/src tree, simply
    copy the contents of the above directory to a work location.
    In the work area, you'll need to make the utility.

    Type:

        make -f Makefile.sub afmtodit

    You may also need to copy /usr/contrib/groff/devps/generate/textmap to
    /usr/share/groff_font/devps/generate if it doesn't already exist.

    Once all these utilities are in place, you're ready to commence:

        Create the .afm file by typing:

        gs [-dNODISPLAY] [-q] -- ttf2pf.ps TTF_name [PS_font_name
        [AFM_name]]

    Where, TTF_name is your TrueType font file, PS_font_name is
    the name by which you wish the font to be known (default is
    whatever is used in the TTF_name file), and AFM_name is the
    name you wish for the .afm file.

    This also produces a .pfa file, the ascii postscript font
    metrics file (.pfb is for the binrary form). This won't be
    needed, but could (I think) be useful for a fontserver.

    Change directories to /usr/share/groff_font/devps so as to make
    the following command easier to execute. You'll probably need
    root priviledges for this. (Or, if you're paranoid about working
    there, make sure you reference the files DESC, text.enc and
    generate/textmap as being in this directory.)

        Create the groff postscript file:

           % afmtodit -d DESC -e text.enc file.afm \
                    generate/textmap PS_font_name

    Where,  file.afm is the AFM_name created by the ttf2pf.ps
    program above, and PS_font_name is the font name used from that
    command, as well as the name that groff (1) will use for
    references to this font. For example, the 3of9 Barcode font
    was created using the command:

        % /tmp/afmtodit/afmtodit -d DESC -e text.enc 3of9.afm \
                 generate/textmap 3of9

    Ensure that the resulting PS_font_name file (e.g., 3of9 in the
    above example) is finally located in the directory,
    /usr/share/groff_font/devps.

    Note that if ttf2pf.ps assigns a font name using the one it
    finds in the ttf file and you want to use a different name,
    you must edit the .afm file prior to running afmtodit.  This
    name must also match the one used in the Fontmap file for
    seemless use of groff, piping to gs.
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2. Converting the font to a groff/postscript format for groff
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This requires potentially a bit more work, simply
becuase it depends on some utilities
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; that often aren't installed or downloaded. They
are:
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ttf2pf - TrueType to postscript convertsion utilities.
This allows conversion of a
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TrueType font to an ascii font metric (.afm) file.
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Currently available at:
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/GUST/contrib/BachoTeX98/ttf2pf/
. Note: These files
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; are postscript programs and must be downloaded to
disk by holding down the shift
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; key when clicking on the link. Otherwise, your browser
may try to launch ghostview
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to view them.
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The files of interest are:
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
GS_TTF.PS
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
PF2AFM.PS
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
ttf2pf.ps
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The funny upper/lower case is due to their being
intended also for DOS shells.
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ttf2pf.ps makes use of the others as upper case,
so any renaming must be consistent
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; with this. (Actually, GS_TTF.PS and PFS2AFM.PS are
supposedly part of the
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ghostscript distribution, but it's just as easy
to use these as an isolated utility.
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; FreeBSD doesn't seem to include the latter.) You
also may want to have these
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; installed to /usr/local/bin, or ...(?)
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; afmtodit&nbsp; - Create font files for use with groff,
using a .afm file. This usually resides
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; in the directory, /usr/src/contrib/groff/afmtodit,
and requires some work to get going.
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you're paranoid about working in the /usr/src
tree, simply copy the contents of the
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; above directory to a work location. In the work
area, you'll need to make the utility.
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Type:
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; make -f Makefile.sub afmtodit
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You may also need to copy /usr/contrib/groff/devps/generate/textmap
to
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; /usr/share/groff_font/devps/generate if it doesn't
already exist.
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Once all these utilities are in place, you're ready
to commence:
<br>&nbsp;
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Create the .afm file by typing:
<br>&nbsp;
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; gs [-dNODISPLAY] [-q] --
ttf2pf.ps TTF_name [PS_font_name
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [AFM_name]]
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Where, TTF_name is your TrueType font file, PS_font_name
is the name by which
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; you wish the font to be known (default is whatever
is used in the TTF_name file), and
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; AFM_name is the name you wish for the .afm file.
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This also produces a .pfa file, the ascii postscript
font metrics file (.pfb is for the
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; binrary form). This won't be needed, but could (I
think) be useful for a fontserver.
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Change directories to /usr/share/groff_font/devps
so as to make the following
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; command easier to execute.
You'll probably need root priviledges for this. (Or, if
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; you're paranoid about working
there, make sure you reference the files DESC,
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; text.enc and generate/textmap
as being in this directory.)
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Create the groff postscript
file:
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; % afmtodit
-d DESC -e text.enc file.afm \
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
generate/textmap PS_font_name
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Where,&nbsp; file.afm is the AFM_name created by
the ttf2pf.ps program above, and
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; PS_font_name is the font name used from that command,
as well as the name that
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; groff (1) will use for references to this font.
For example, the 3of9 Barcode font was
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; created using the command:
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; % /tmp/afmtodit/afmtodit
-d DESC -e text.enc 3of9.afm \
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
generate/textmap 3of9
<br>&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ensure that the resulting
PS_font_name file (e.g., 3of9 in the above example)
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; is finally located in the
directory, /usr/share/groff_font/devps.
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Note that if ttf2pf.ps assigns a font name using
the one it finds in the ttf file and you
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; want to use a different name, you must edit the
.afm file prior to running afmtodit.
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This name must also match the one used in the Fontmap
file for seemless use of
<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; groff, piping to gs.
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> On Mon, Jul 05, 1999 at 02:16:36PM -0500, Chris Costello wrote:
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> > Handbook at this point, but I'm open to ideas.
> 
> There are a couple of ways you could do it.  Some of them more optimal 
> than others.
> 
>    Executive summary:  sgrep is probably your best choice now, which can
>    can be found at <URL:http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/~jjaakkol/sgrep.html>. 
>    But read on for more.
> 
> The simplest way is to assume that the user has the plain text handbook
> installed, and do a simple grep through that for what you're looking for.

   See the FAQ parser.  I want to be able to get meaningful
output for users.  sgrep is also not viable because it's not in
the default system.

> This is nice and easy to do, but doesn't take advantage of the additional
> smarts built in to the Handbook's native format.  To do that requires some
> additional work.

   The handbook's native format won't be on the default system,
will it?  They're all in HTML.

> A smart searching mechanism will be able to use this additional semantic
> information to reject (or lower the rankings of) results that don't match
> what the user wanted.

   See above.  I want rtfm(1) to remain viable on base installs.

> For example, suppose you're searching the Handbook for examples of the 
> make(1) command in action.  The simple string "make" occurs lots of times
> in the Handbook.  However, you're only interested in those sections where
> it occurs *inside* a <userinput> element; all the other occurences can be
> ignored.
> 
> For a simple rtfm(1) style search most of this can probably be ignored, and
> you can just search the plain text handbook.  But even then you might want
> to provide switches that allow the user to specify:
> 
>   -  Only match this word if found in an example
> 
>   -  Only match this word if found in a title
> 
>   -  Only match this word if found in a command name

   This can only be done if the user can access the SGML files.
First off, the SGML files are not installed by default.
Accessing them online would require having to search every single
one or one big one, which isn't a good idea at this point.


> You could go the full SGML route.  This would involve building an 
> application that can parse the DocBook source of the Handbook (and other
> articles, and soon to be the FAQ) and allow the user to do their queries
> using this application.  This is probably the most 'correct' route from
> a purist point of view, but is an awful lot of work.

   If the FAQ is to be DocBook-ified, will the SGML sources be
made availible via HTTP so rtfm(1) can still cleanly parse them
with a minor rewrite of the FAQ section?

> *Much* simpler is to build a grep-alike that understands structured 
> documents, but that doesn't care how those documents are structured.  This
> is such a great idea that someone's already done it -- sgrep, which can
> be found at <URL:http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/~jjaakkol/sgrep.html> can 
> search structured text (such as DocBook, HTML, or even mail files).

   I'd have to integrate it into rtfm(1), and see above about
access to the handbook.

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Ok.. I was navigating in your site searching for something that maybe no
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So please i only ask if you can make a little section with pics of the
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On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 04:57:08PM -0500, Chris Costello wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 6, 1999, Nik Clayton wrote:
> > There are a couple of ways you could do it.  Some of them more optimal 
> > than others.
> > 
> >    Executive summary:  sgrep is probably your best choice now, which can
> >    can be found at <URL:http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/~jjaakkol/sgrep.html>. 
> >    But read on for more.
> > 
> > The simplest way is to assume that the user has the plain text handbook
> > installed, and do a simple grep through that for what you're looking for.
> 
>    See the FAQ parser.  I want to be able to get meaningful
> output for users.  sgrep is also not viable because it's not in
> the default system.

Neither is rtfm(1) yet.  Why not put them in ports, publicise them in the
FAQ (OK, I realise that's a bit of a chicken/egg problem), lobby JKH to get
it mentioned when installing the system, publicise it on the -newbie's list,
and so on.

I'd be surprised if this was something that was bought in to the system
straight away -- pushing it through ports first seems like the natural way
to do it.
 
> > This is nice and easy to do, but doesn't take advantage of the additional
> > smarts built in to the Handbook's native format.  To do that requires some
> > additional work.
> 
>    The handbook's native format won't be on the default system,
> will it?  They're all in HTML.

You are in a maze of twist future plans, all different.

I want to pull the Handbook (and other documentation, like the FAQ) out
of the system as it currently stands.  Instead, these should be packages,
and available in a variety of different formats. 

At install time, sysinstall can present the user with a list of 
documentation options they want (including "All docs, all formats"), which
will just pkg_add(1) the appropriate files.

This doesn't work yet, because I haven't put the code to build the packages
in to the doc/ Makefiles yet.  If anyone wants to collabotate on this (or,
better yet, present me with code that does it) please stand up and be 
counted.

> > A smart searching mechanism will be able to use this additional semantic
> > information to reject (or lower the rankings of) results that don't match
> > what the user wanted.
> 
>    See above.  I want rtfm(1) to remain viable on base installs.

I'm not sure you do.  You want rtfm(1) to remain viable on "newbie" installs.
With a "base" install you can't even count on the manual pages being 
available.
 
> > You could go the full SGML route.  This would involve building an 
> > application that can parse the DocBook source of the Handbook (and other
> > articles, and soon to be the FAQ) and allow the user to do their queries
> > using this application.  This is probably the most 'correct' route from
> > a purist point of view, but is an awful lot of work.
> 
>    If the FAQ is to be DocBook-ified, will the SGML sources be
> made availible via HTTP so rtfm(1) can still cleanly parse them
> with a minor rewrite of the FAQ section?

Yes, you could do it that way.  I prefer the package approach, where 
you'll have packages like

    fdp-books-faq-html.tgz
    fdp-books-faq-sgml.tgz
    fdp-books-faq-html-split.tgz
    fdp-books-faq-xml.tgz
    fdp-books-faq-rtf.tgz

and so on.  Makes it vastly easier for tools like yours to say

  In order to have the greatest chance of finding what you want, you need
  to install the SGML sources for the FAQ.  If you do not install these
  sources your searches will still work, but have a greater chance of
  returning false hits.

  The SGML source will take up roughly 500KB of disk space.

  Do you want to install the FAQ SGML source now? [Y]: 

As I say, for this to work we need to build packages from the doc/ 
repository -- I haven't had the time to investigate doing this yet.

N
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Bob,

[ I've cc'd this reply to doc@FreeBSD.org, so that it gets in to the mail
  archives, and helps out any lurkers who might be wondering the same 
  questions you are ]

On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 09:02:17AM -0500, Bob Van Valzah wrote:
> Nik, Many thanks for your FDP Tutorial material. I'm currently clawing
> my way up the SGML learning curve on a FreeBSD system and your tutorial
> has moved me along farthest with the least effort.

It's good to know people are finding it useful.  There are still gaps,
but I'm working on closing them.

> But I'm still a bit confused when it comes to actually formatting
> DocBook docs with FreeBSD. Stream of consciousness questions:

OK.

>    * Do I still need/want the sgmlfmt command from the sgmlformat-1.7
>      package?

Yes.  The FAQ and a couple of the tutorials are still in LinuxDoc format,
which needs sgmlformat.  When they've converted to DocBook the need for
sgmlformat disappears.

>    * What about the tex-3.14159 vs teTeX-0.9.981113 packages?

You only need TeX if you want to produce Postscript or PDF output, 
otherwise it's not necessary.

You should only have one of these installed.  teTeX-beta is currently
recommended, as it installs all the optional TeX packages (like hyperref)
that are required by the Jade TeX macros.  tex-3.14159 will probably
work, but will need some configuring by hand.  I'm not a hardcore TeX
user, and can't advise on how you'd get tex-3.14159 to work for you.

>    * Do I need both?

No.  See above.  Also, the teTeX port was recently upgraded to v1.05,
which means it's now out of beta.  You should actually be able to use
the teTeX port now instead of the teTeX-beta port.

>    * Why is dvips available as a port and not as a package?

Good question, don't know.  The port maintainer is jmz@FreeBSD.org, who
can probably explain why.

>    * Will I even need dvips?

I don't think so.  I haven't needed to install it by hand, so I assume
a version of it comes with the teTeX port -- however, the version in 
the ports tree might be more up to date.

In addition, if you're producing PDF output and not Postscript output
then you don't need dvips.  If you are producing PS output then you
will need it (but as I say, I think it comes with teTeX).

>    * What does LaTeX have to do with any of this?

It doesn't.  As I understand it;

TeX is the document formatting system.  It's big, forbidding, and has lots
of arcane commands to precisely control the layout of your document.  You
can also write macros in TeX.

LaTeX is a commonly used macro package, that abstracts out a lot of the
TeX syntax, so that you can write one command ("Make this document have
2 columsn from this point on") instead of the multitude of TeX commands
you would otherwise need to write.

The FDP doesn't use LaTeX at all -- the SGML sources are fed through a
processor called Jade, which outputs TeX directly.

The TeX output by Jade assumes that another TeX macro package is installed.
This macro package is called JadeTeX.  JadeTeX is like LaTeX in that it's
purpose is to hide some of TeX's command structure and make it easier to
use.  The difference is that LaTeX is designed to be used by people,
JadeTeX is designed to handle the output from Jade.

>    * How do I produce one giant .html file?

Assuming you've got the doc's installed;

    % cd /path/to/doc/en/handbook
    % make FORMATS=html

What's going on under the hood?  The stylesheets we are using to convert 
from DocBook to HTML have a configurable parameter called "nochunks".  
If you tell the system to make the "html" format then it turns on this
paramter by passing the "-V nochunks" option to Jade.

This option is only understood by the stylesheets.  Jade doesn't understand
what "nochunks" means, it just passes it on to the stylesheets, which do
understand what it means.

>    * How do I produce a linked tree of .html files?

As above;

    % cd /path/to/doc/en/handbook
    % make FORMATS=html-split

The default stylesheet behaviour is to produce split files.

>    * What does a Makefile look like that produces all these wonderful
>      formats from a single DocBook document?

Take a look at

    /path/to/doc/en/handbook/Makefile

which is the main Makefile for the Handbook.  All this does is set a few
variables.  The body of the work is done in

    /path/to/doc/share/mk/docproj.docbook.mk

If you know make(1) then this should be relatively easy to understand.  It's
heavily commented, because I expressly wanted other people to follow it
relatively easily.

The actual command lines that are run to convert the documentation to the
various formats can be found by searching for ".MAIN" in this Makefile,
and then looking at the targets below there.
> 
> As you can probably tell, I'm coming at this from the point of view of a
> FreeBSD use who just wants to be able to produce PDF/PostScript/HTML
> from a single document base. Whatever the answers to these questions, I
> think they'll make valuable additions to your tutorial and perhaps to
> the DocBook FAQ as well.

This is the more interesting comment.  I'm a bit torn about how this
should be done in FreeBSD.

Through the ports system you can install all the applications you need.
In particular, textproc/docproj brings in all the formatters, macro
packages, and so on.

What isn't in the system are any user friendly front-ends to make it 
easier for people such as yourself to actually use the tools.

I *think* this is probably the right way to go.  The FDP Makefiles
(as explained above) are specifically for the FDP internal documentation
(FAQ, Handbook, tutorials, and so on).  They are not designed so that 
they can be taken out of the FDP and dropped in to someone elses 
documentation system, and just work.

I think this is probably a good thing -- your documentation requirements
are probably different from ours, which would mean that you would need to
customise the Makefiles anyway -- it's better to provide you with clearly
documented examples that you can cannabilise as necessary, than to try
and write a collection of Makefiles that try and encompass everyone's
requirements.

That said, I could be wrong about this.

The Linux Documentation Project came up with "sgmltools", which has since
spun off to be a separate project (<URL:http://www.sgmltools.org/>).  
However, it now seems to be spinning down, as the principle architect,
Cees de Groot, has had to step back from it due to other commitments.

In a nutshell, SGMLTools is/was a collection of Python scripts that did
two things.

  1.  Managed the installation of the various programs necessary to convert
      DocBook to different formats.

  2.  Provided commands (like "db2html", "db2pdf", and so on) that just
      converted DocBook to one other format.  All these commands do is
      call the underlying Jade, TeX, and other applications for you, trying
      to get the command line right.

I don't think this is appropriate for FreeBSD for a few reasons.

First, (1) above is already capably handled by the ports system.  We don't
need to reinvent that particular wheel.

I'm unconvinced of the necessity of (2).  In many cases the command line
for converting from (say) DocBook to something like RTF is only one or two
lines -- you can put this in a shell script yourself.  And if you need 
anything more complex then you're almost certainly writing your own scripts
and Makefile's anyway, so the additional layer of simplification doesn't
really buy you anything anyway.

Plus, of course, there's the fact that they're all written in Python.  I've
got nothing against Python as a language (I've never used it, but I've 
heard lots of good things about it[1]).  But I'm not about to bring in
something for the FDP that requires a whole new programming language to
implement it.

Oh, and the name "SGMLTools" is really a bit of a misnomer -- at version
1 the name would more properly have been "LinuxDoc Tools", and at the 
current version 2 it should be called "DocBook Tools".

And FWIW, I've been active on the SGML Tools mailing list for the past
year or so, and I have been keeping a close eye on what's been going on. 
But as I say, I'm not convinced it's the best solution for FreeBSD.

For your particular situation, I'd recommend studying the doc/share/mk
Makefile, and work out which bits you can lift from there to suit your
purposes.  You can then create your own documentation build environment,
either using make(1), as we have, or with shell scripts, or whatever.

I hope all that helps (you, and anyone else reading this).  If you've
got any more questions, don't hesitate to ask -- but if you can send 'em
to doc@freebsd.org instead of direct to me, other people have a chance to
get involved too.

Cheers,

N
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> 
> >    * Why is dvips available as a port and not as a package?

Interactive configuration.


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To: Kazutaka YOKOTA <yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp>,
	hackers@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org
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On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 07:20:10PM +0900, Kazutaka YOKOTA wrote:
> >From time to time people ask questions about the serial console.  As
> README.serial is buried deep inside the kernel source tree, it's almost
> time to have a decent text on the serial console in our handbook.
> 
> I am reformatting README.serial so that it can be included in our
> handbook, and adding bits and pieces to clarify things.  I haven't
> finished it yet, but would like to have your comments now, so that we
> can make it more informative and useful.

This is great.  Every now and then someone says "Hey, Nik, the Doc. Proj.,
is dying, no one's writing new docs" and then people like you submit 
something like this and help prove them wrong.

> I put up the HTML version in:
> 
> 	http://www.freebsd.org/~yokota/serialconsole.html
> 
> and the SGML version in:
> 
> 	ftp://www.freebsd.org/~yokota/serial-console.sgml

I couldn't get the .sgml using FTP, but it was fine using HTTP.  This might
just be because of the firewall settings here.

> - I am not a SGML expart ;-< formatting and links may be wrong.

I'll get on to that in a second.

> - The chapter number is arbitrary.  When this text will be eventually
> included in the handbook, I expect Nik will put it somewhere suitable
> and give appropriate chapter number.

Looking at the Handbook as it stands at the moment, a couple of
places look like they might be suitable.

  (a)  As a chapter somewhere in part 2 ("System Administration").

  (b)  As a section inside chapter 14 ("Serial Communications").

  (c)  As a chapter somewhere in part 4 ("Advanced topics").

I think (b) can probably be ruled out, as the rest of that part deals
with network communications.  Of the other two options, I'm leaning
towards (a) rather than (c).

As to the text and the SGML formatting;

I'll change the text a little bit before committing it.  There are a few
areas where you've used a plural instead of a singular, and general 
policy in the documentation is to avoid contractions like "don't" in 
favour of "do not" and the like.  But apart from these very small nits
the text is great -- your English is certainly much better than my Japanese.

The SGML formatting is also off, see 
http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/docproj-primer/x2041.html for more
specific information.  But this should only take me 10 minutes or so in 
Emacs to fix up, so don't worry about it.

I'm very grateful to you for taking the time to do this.  If you could
let me know when you're happy with the text I'll do a final edit and
commit it.

Once again, thanks very much.

N
-- 
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On 1999-07-06 18:01:23 -0400, David Wheeler wrote:
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on the web:

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(output format troff)


FTP:

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>  I'd like to modify the documents and include them in the Linux Documentation
> Project's documentation set (the FreeBSD & Linux Documentation Projects
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Webmaster:
     I had setup mailinglists which are in chinese three days ago.
	majordomo@cn.FreeBSD.org
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On 1999-07-07 17:43:33 +0000, Peng HaiJie wrote:
> Webmaster:
>      I had setup mailinglists which are in chinese three days ago.
> 	majordomo@cn.FreeBSD.org
> Would you make this to be refered to in the page 
> 	http://www.FreeBSD.org/support.html

I added your mailing list to http://www.FreeBSD.org/support.html
Now we have 2 chinese mailing lists ;-)

The change will appear at http://www.freebsd.org with the next
web server update at 04:00 PDT (UTC -07:00).

Wolfram

> and the WWW accessable URL of it is 
> 	http://www.cn.FreeBSD.org/zh/mailinglists.html
> 
> thanks in advance.
> 
> P.H.J.
> 

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>
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>work, but will need some configuring by hand.  I'm not a hardcore TeX
>user, and can't advise on how you'd get tex-3.14159 to work for you.

This is an interesting question. tex-3.14159 (along with it's friends)
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>>    * What does LaTeX have to do with any of this?
>
>It doesn't.  As I understand it;

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>Number:         12557
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       There are no man pages for the widely used dbm_* functions in libc
>Confidential:   yes
>Severity:       serious
>Priority:       medium
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Wed Jul  7 17:40:01 PDT 1999
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Tim Singletary
>Release:        FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386
>Organization:
>Environment:

	

>Description:

	There are no man pages for the widely used dbm_* functions in libc

>How-To-Repeat:

	

>Fix:
	
	Apply the following patch to src/lib/libc/db/man:
diff -cP org/Makefile.inc new/Makefile.inc
*** org/Makefile.inc	Wed Jul  7 18:11:34 1999
--- new/Makefile.inc	Wed Jul  7 18:13:28 1999
***************
*** 4,10 ****
  .PATH: ${.CURDIR}/../libc/db/man
  
  .if ${LIB} == "c"
! MAN3+=	btree.3 dbopen.3 hash.3 mpool.3 recno.3
  
  MLINKS+= dbopen.3 db.3
  .endif
--- 4,20 ----
  .PATH: ${.CURDIR}/../libc/db/man
  
  .if ${LIB} == "c"
! MAN3+=	btree.3 dbm.3 dbopen.3 hash.3 mpool.3 recno.3
  
+ MLINKS+= dbm.3 dbm_clearerr.3
+ MLINKS+= dbm.3 dbm_close.3
+ MLINKS+= dbm.3 dbm_delete.3
+ MLINKS+= dbm.3 dbm_dirnfo.3
+ MLINKS+= dbm.3 dbm_error.3
+ MLINKS+= dbm.3 dbm_fetch.3
+ MLINKS+= dbm.3 dbm_firstkey.3
+ MLINKS+= dbm.3 dbm_nextkey.3
+ MLINKS+= dbm.3 dbm_open.3
+ MLINKS+= dbm.3 dbm_store.3
  MLINKS+= dbopen.3 db.3
  .endif
diff -cP org/dbm.3 new/dbm.3
*** org/dbm.3	Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969
--- new/dbm.3	Wed Jul  7 18:11:51 1999
***************
*** 0 ****
--- 1,198 ----
+ .\" Copyright (c) 1999 Tim Singletary
+ .\" No copyright is claimed.
+ .\"
+ .\" THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHOR AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND
+ .\" ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE
+ .\" IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE
+ .\" ARE DISCLAIMED.  IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE
+ .\" FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL
+ .\" DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS
+ .\" OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION)
+ .\" HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT
+ .\" LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY
+ .\" OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF
+ .\" SUCH DAMAGE.
+ .\"
+ .\" Note: The date here should be updated whenever a non-trivial
+ .\" change is made to the manual page.
+ .Dd July 7, 1999
+ .Dt dbm 3
+ .Sh NAME
+ .Nm dbm_clearerr Ns No ,
+ .Nm dbm_close Ns No ,
+ .Nm dbm_delete Ns No ,
+ .Nm dbm_dirfno Ns No ,
+ .Nm dbm_error Ns No ,
+ .Nm dbm_fetch Ns No ,
+ .Nm dbm_firstkey Ns No ,
+ .Nm dbm_nextkey Ns No ,
+ .Nm dbm_open Ns No ,
+ .Nm dbm_store
+ .Nd database access functions
+ .Sh SYNOPSIS
+ .Fd #include <fcntl.h>
+ .Fd #include <ndbm.h>
+ .Ft DBM *
+ .Fn dbm_open "const char *base" "int flags" "int mode"
+ .Ft void
+ .Fn dbm_close "DBM *db"
+ .Ft int
+ .Fn dbm_store "DBM *db" "datum key" "datum data" "int flags"
+ .Ft datum
+ .Fn dbm_fetch "DBM *db" "datum key"
+ .Ft int
+ .Fn dbm_delete "DBM *db" "datum key"
+ .Ft datum
+ .Fn dbm_firstkey "DBM *db"
+ .Ft datum
+ .Fn dbm_nextkey "DBM *db"
+ .Ft int
+ .Fn dbm_error "DBM *db"
+ .Ft int
+ .Fn dbm_clearerr "DBM *db"
+ .Ft int
+ .Fn dbm_dirfno "DBM *db"
+ 
+ .Sh DESCRIPTION
+ Database access functions.
+ These functions are implemented using 
+ .Fn dbopen 
+ (see
+ .Xr dbopen 3 Ns No )
+ with a 
+ .Nm hash 
+ (see
+ .Xr hash 3 Ns No )
+ database.
+ 
+ .Fa datum
+ is declared in
+ .Pa ndbm.h Ns No :
+ .Bd -literal
+ typedef struct {
+         char *dptr;
+         int dsize;
+ } datum;
+ .Ed
+ 
+ 
+ .Fn dbm_open base flags mode
+ opens or creates a database.
+ .Fa base No is the basename of the file containing 
+ the database; the actual database has a
+ .Sq .db 
+ suffix.  I.e., if
+ .Fa base
+ is
+ .Pa /home/me/mystuff
+ then the actual database is in the file
+ .Pa /home/me/mystuff.db Ns No .
+ .Fa flags No and
+ .Fa mode No are passed to
+ .Fn open No (see
+ .Xr open 2 Ns No ).
+ .Li O_RDWR | O_CREAT
+ is a typical value for
+ .Fa flags Ns No ;
+ .Li 0660
+ is a typical value for
+ .Fa mode Ns No .
+ .Li O_WRONLY 
+ is not allowed in
+ .Fa flags Ns No .
+ The pointer returned by
+ .Fn dbm_open
+ identifies the database and is the
+ .Fa db
+ argument to the other functions.
+ .Fn dbm_open 
+ returns 
+ .Li NULL 
+ and sets 
+ .Va errno
+ if there are any errors.
+ 
+ .Fn dbm_close db
+ closes the database.
+ .Fn dbm_close
+ normally returns zero.
+ 
+ .Fn dbm_store db key data flags
+ inserts or replaces an entry in the database.  
+ .Fa flags No is either 
+ .Li DBM_INSERT 
+ or 
+ .Li DBM_REPLACE Ns No .  
+ If 
+ .Fa flags 
+ is
+ .Li DBM_INSERT 
+ and the database already contains an entry for
+ .Fa key Ns No , 
+ that entry is not replaced.  Otherwise the entry is replaced or inserted.  
+ .Fn dbm_store
+ normally returns returns zero but returns 1 if the entry could not be
+ inserted (because 
+ .Fa flags
+ is
+ .Li DBM_INSERT 
+ and an entry with
+ .Fa key
+ already exists) or returns -1 and sets
+ .Va errno
+ if there were any errors.
+ 
+ .Fn dbm_fetch db key
+ returns 
+ .Li NULL 
+ or the
+ .Fa data 
+ corresponding to 
+ .Fa key Ns No .
+ 
+ .Fn dbm_delete db key
+ deletes the entry for
+ .Fa key Ns No .
+ .Fn dbm_delete
+ normally returns zero but returns 1 if there was no entry with
+ .Fa key
+ in the database or returns -1 and sets 
+ .Va errno 
+ if there were any errors.
+ 
+ .Fn dbm_firstkey db
+ returns the first key in the database.
+ .Fn dbm_nextkey db
+ returns subsequent keys.  
+ .Fn db_firstkey 
+ must be called before 
+ .Fn dbm_nextkey.
+ The order in which keys are returned is unspecified and may appear
+ random.
+ .Fn dbm_nextkey
+ returns 
+ .Li NULL 
+ after all keys have been returned.
+ 
+ .Fn dbm_error db
+ returns the 
+ .Va errno
+ value of the most recent error.
+ .Fn dbm_clearerr db
+ resets this value to 0 and returns 0.
+ 
+ .Fn dbm_dirfno db
+ returns the file descriptor to the database.
+ 
+ 
+ .Sh SEE ALSO
+ .Xr dbopen 3 Ns ,
+ .Xr hash 3 Ns ,
+ .Xr open 2
+ 
+ .Sh STANDARDS
+ These functions (except 
+ .Fn dbm_dirfno Ns No )
+ are included in the Single Unix Specification for Unix 98.  
+ 
+ 



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Added to FAQ.

> I put together a tutorial on building a database-backed web site using
> software that your group provides. I hope I've found the appropriate
> mail addresses for each group to point out this document for possible
> use on your web site, or announcement via an appropriate mail list. If
> not, I'd appreciate if this could be forwarded to that address, or a
> notice so I could contact that person.
> 
> The tutorial can be found at <URL:
> http://www.phone.net/home/mwm/hotlist/ >. It was originally written
> for a talk, so does tend to be a bit brief. However, it might be
> appropriate as a quick howto or tutorial for the various packages I
> used. It quickly covers setting up a system, installing and
> configuring the appropriate software, and then starting it
> working. Any corrections or suggestion you may have would be most
> appreciated.
> 
> 	Thanx,
> 	<mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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					July 7th,1999
Worshipful SIR:
    I ask for advice about a problem in FreeBSD4.4.
    That is the difference between ipfilter(including 
ip_fil.c ,etc) and ipfw(including ip_fw.c) facility .
    Is the ipfilter a proxy firewall ? Thereinto,what is
group ? Can you explain it by some examples? 
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>> - The chapter number is arbitrary.  When this text will be eventually
>> included in the handbook, I expect Nik will put it somewhere suitable
>> and give appropriate chapter number.
>
>Looking at the Handbook as it stands at the moment, a couple of
>places look like they might be suitable.
>
>  (a)  As a chapter somewhere in part 2 ("System Administration").
>
>  (b)  As a section inside chapter 14 ("Serial Communications").
>
>  (c)  As a chapter somewhere in part 4 ("Advanced topics").
>
>I think (b) can probably be ruled out, as the rest of that part deals
>with network communications.  Of the other two options, I'm leaning
>towards (a) rather than (c).

That's fine!

>As to the text and the SGML formatting;
[...]

Thank you for your comments.  I will send you the file as soon as I
finish writing the text.

Kazu


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The errata.txt for the 3.0 release is not available on you server (the
whole directory 3.0-release no longer exists on your server). I have a
specific question concerning the 3.0 release, so i hope that text will
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:-)
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From: "N. Ryll" <nikolai@buu.de>
Subject: errata for 3.0
Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 14:35:56 +0200

> The errata.txt for the 3.0 release is not available on you server (the
> whole directory 3.0-release no longer exists on your server). I have a
> specific question concerning the 3.0 release, so i hope that text will
> be available again.
> 

See http://www.freebsd.org/ and follow the link "Release Information".
There is information about releases, so you can find easily
"Past Releases" and "Errata List" for 3.0.

Or you want to go the page directly,
see http://www.jp.freebsd.org/www.freebsd.org/releases/3.0R/errata.html .

----
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Jay Nelson writes:

> I've been thinking about pulling teTeX out and
> replacing with this because the footprint is 75% smaller than teTeX.
> It would require pulling in some 25 separate pieces, though, to make
> it work for the Doc Proj. It would definately be the harder way of
> going. If there is any interest out there in making this approach
> work, I could pursue it further.

How would this (dropping teTeX) impact people who wanted to
install teTeX for other purposes?  If it would have any negative
consequences for them, then it sounds like a Bad Idea [tm].

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>Number:         12565
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       [PATCH] New FAQ : Where to find ISO CD-ROM images
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          change-request
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Thu Jul  8 15:30:01 PDT 1999
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Woody Carey
>Release:        3.2-RELEASE
>Organization:
N/A
>Environment:
FreeBSD myname.my.domain 3.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE #3: Tue Jun 22 21:58:03
 PDT 1999     wcarey@myname.my.domain:/usr/src/sys/compile/REDWOOD  i386       
>Description:
I have put together a new FAQ to go at the end of the installation section.
Answering this question enought times on -questions prompted me to 
put together this faq.

>How-To-Repeat:
Ask "Where can I find ISO images of the FreeBSD CD-ROM's?".
>Fix:
Add my suggested FAQ to the FAQ list.

A copy can be found at 
ftp://adsl160.eugn.uswest.net/pub/freebsd-doc.tar.gz

for a few days, perhaps a week from now or so.  The server is getting
a static ip, so the URL will change in a bit.

>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:
>Unformatted:


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On Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 07:05:42PM -0500, Jay Nelson wrote:
> >>    * What about the tex-3.14159 vs teTeX-0.9.981113 packages?
> >
> >You only need TeX if you want to produce Postscript or PDF output, 
> >otherwise it's not necessary.
> >
> >You should only have one of these installed.  teTeX-beta is currently
> >recommended, as it installs all the optional TeX packages (like hyperref)
> >that are required by the Jade TeX macros.  tex-3.14159 will probably
> >work, but will need some configuring by hand.  I'm not a hardcore TeX
> >user, and can't advise on how you'd get tex-3.14159 to work for you.
> 
> This is an interesting question. tex-3.14159 (along with it's friends)
> is the traditional TeX. I've been thinking about pulling teTeX out and
> replacing with this because the footprint is 75% smaller than teTeX.
> It would require pulling in some 25 separate pieces, though, to make
> it work for the Doc Proj. It would definately be the harder way of
> going. If there is any interest out there in making this approach
> work, I could pursue it further.

I'm interested.  Specifically, the JadeTeX port would then have a Makefile 
option that determines which of the two it uses, so the end user can 
choose for themselves -- they might already have one or the other 
installed, for example.

> >>    * What does LaTeX have to do with any of this?
> >
> >It doesn't.  As I understand it;
> 
> It does. JadeTeX is built on the base LaTeX format, along with a half
> dozen LaTeX add ons. You will need LaTeX2e and friends installed to
> build the JadeTeX format files. LaTeX and dvips are installed
> automatically with teTeX.

Ah, I didn't know that.  I thought JadeTeX used TeX from the ground up.
Thanks for the correction.

N
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The following reply was made to PR docs/12557; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk>
To: tsingle@triana.gsfc.nasa.gov
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Subject: Re: docs/12557: no dbm_* man pages
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:23:51 +0100

 Tim,
 
 On Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 08:38:37PM -0400, tsingle@triana.gsfc.nasa.gov wrote:
 > >Synopsis:       There are no man pages for the widely used dbm_* functions in libc
 
 <snip>
 
 > >Fix:
 
 <snip>
 
 Thanks.  I've just send a message to hackers@freebsd.org asking interested
 parties who know something about DBM to take a look at these and give them
 the once over.  When that's done I'll commit them ASAP.
 
 Cheers,
 
 N
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To: Greg Black <gjb-freebsd@gba.oz.au>
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On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Greg Black wrote:

>Jay Nelson writes:
>
>> I've been thinking about pulling teTeX out and
>> replacing with this because the footprint is 75% smaller than teTeX.
>> It would require pulling in some 25 separate pieces, though, to make
>> it work for the Doc Proj. It would definately be the harder way of
>> going. If there is any interest out there in making this approach
>> work, I could pursue it further.
>
>How would this (dropping teTeX) impact people who wanted to
>install teTeX for other purposes?  If it would have any negative
>consequences for them, then it sounds like a Bad Idea [tm].

You misunderstood. I mean't no changes to the Doc Project.  This, if I
do it, would be for my benefit only. If others are interested, I would
be willing to document the steps. Doing this would be a major pain in
the backside and only of value to those who know and use TeX for other
things, but would also like to explore the Doc Project without
dropping ~85MB onto their disk.

I think I expressed myself poorly im my earlier mail and should have
kept my mouth shut.

Sorry for the noise.

-- Jay



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On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Nik Clayton wrote:

>On Wed, Jul 07, 1999 at 07:05:42PM -0500, Jay Nelson wrote:
>> >>    * What about the tex-3.14159 vs teTeX-0.9.981113 packages?
>> >
[snip]
>
>I'm interested.  Specifically, the JadeTeX port would then have a Makefile 
>option that determines which of the two it uses, so the end user can 
>choose for themselves -- they might already have one or the other 
>installed, for example.

OK. Right now, I'm still trying to find the magic incantation to get
teTeX's configuration to do the right thing with memory, which, at
this point, it doesn't appear to be doing -- or I've misunderstood the
relationship of the extra_ params to the wired in params.

With traditional TeX, you edit the correct values in the source. I 
know this works as expected at the price of flexibility. A vanilla 
install of tex-3.14159,though, won't have memory values large enough
for JadeTeX. This could cause a problem for the docproj port.

As soon as the French translation problems are solved, I'll give it a
go and we can find out if it's worth considering.

-- Jay




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> It doesn't look like our manual pages have been updated to reflect the
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> guidance (or a quick message letting me know that someone else is taking
> care of this).

Done.  Why aren't you committing this stuff yourself by now?  You're
not a docs committer?  Why not? :-)

- Jordan


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If at all interested, somebody please send me a piece of email asking me
to try to assemble a page on how to do xDSL setup for FreeBSD.  I have
USWest Cisco 675 (aka NetRunner 102) working in my home, and given a
gentle reminder sitting constantly in my mailbox, I may actually get
around to documenting the config.

-- 
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[ CC'd to doc@freebsd.org, and reply-to pointed there, as this is 
  really a doc issue ]

On Thu, Jul 08, 1999 at 06:38:41PM -0400, Dutch Collins wrote:
> I have started reading the specs for FreeBSD documentation. I was
> wondering if anyone has tried writing with WordPerfect 8. It does 
> support DTDs, so the documentation says.

I haven't yet -- I have an on-off working relationship with Emacs that
sees me through :-)

> Since my BSD disk is "Shagged" [1] (not for long) and I am stuck in
> windoze-land with WP8 - I need to find  the DocBook DTD and try it. In 
> WP8's environment it states that DocBook is supported. I don't know 
> enough to take WP at it's word, although I would like to check it out.

Get the DocBook DTD from http://www.docbook.org/.  I don't know what
you need to do to get it work with WP8, hopefully the WP docs will help.

If you do get it working, could you document how you did it, so it can
be added to the primer?

> [1] is it ok to say  shagged in public if you are not in Great
> Britain?

Yeah, Baby.

N

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I volunteer to update the uptime document.  So how do I do that?


>On 8 Jul 99, at 19:41, David Greenman wrote:
>>    Uh, no, that is not what the load average means. The load average is
>>    a
>> composite number that includes both runnable processes and processes
>> that are blocked in a short term wait (usually disk I/O). This means
>> that for machines that are doing heavy disk I/O, the load average could
>> be quite high even when the CPU is 95% idle. On wcarchive, for example,
>> the load average typically runs around 40-50 with 50% CPU idle time.
>> This may sound high, but there are 38 disk drives on the machine, so
>> although the drives are fairly busy, the I/O is spread out over all of
>> them - keeping the interactive response time low and overall
>> performance quite high.
>
>Where is this documented?  I was trying to locate just this very 
>information during the past week.  Nothing in man uptime.  If it belongs
>there, I volunteer to update it.  How?

   It should be documented in the man page for 'uptime' and 'w', but I see
that 'w' gets it wrong and 'uptime' doesn't say anything.

-DG

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On Thu, 08 Jul 1999 18:48:21 MST, "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote:

> Done.  Why aren't you committing this stuff yourself by now?  You're
> not a docs committer?  Why not? :-)

I mailed for advice before committing (although someone else raced me to
the commit :-). That doesn't mean I didn't have every intention of doing
the commit if nobody got back to me. :-)

Ciao,
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	Note: There was a bad value `no-crítica' for the field `>Severity:'.
	It was set to the default value of `serious'.

	Note: There was a bad value `baja' for the field `>Priority:'.
	It was set to the default value of `medium'.


>Number:         12572
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       Typos on spanish web
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       serious
>Priority:       medium
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
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Synopsis: There are no man pages for the widely used dbm_* functions in libc

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Are the ISO images taken from the Walnut Creek CDROMs? If they are, are
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Nik Clayton wrote:
> 
> [ CC'd to doc@freebsd.org, and reply-to pointed there, as this is
>   really a doc issue ]

      oops!

> 
> On Thu, Jul 08, 1999 at 06:38:41PM -0400, Dutch Collins wrote:
> > I have started reading the specs for FreeBSD documentation. I was
> > wondering if anyone has tried writing with WordPerfect 8. It does
> > support DTDs, so the documentation says.
> 
> I haven't yet -- I have an on-off working relationship with Emacs that
> sees me through :-)

At least its not vi.

> > Since my BSD disk is "Shagged" [1] (not for long) and I am stuck in
> > windoze-land with WP8 - I need to find  the DocBook DTD and try it. In
> > WP8's environment it states that DocBook is supported. I don't know
> > enough to take WP at it's word, although I would like to check it out.
> 
> Get the DocBook DTD from http://www.docbook.org/.  I don't know what
> you need to do to get it work with WP8, hopefully the WP docs will help.
> 
> If you do get it working, could you document how you did it, so it can
> be added to the primer?

I have tried a HTML document in WP8. It loaded, but the user interface
is a
little strange. There is a rather odd method to their system but that
could
be me - I hack HTML in an editor like Pico.

Here is how I am going to attack this:

1) Verify that DocBook and WP8 really do work.
    a) use the windoze version first due to disk problems.
    b) use the X version second. Q - are the results the same?

2) Take my scribble and document it using X-WP8.

3) If I have to, I will upload enough of the /doc stuff to my shell
   account (BSDI) in order to check the WP8 output.

4) Give an offering. May cause my scsi drive to get here quicker.

 
> > [1] is it ok to say  shagged in public if you are not in Great
> > Britain?
> 
> Yeah, Baby.
> 

See P. Anderson RE: for more detail ... I still don't get it. Powers
is funny? Don't think so.

> N
> 
> ...  FreeBSD -- Shagadelic

Ok, I have run out of words now. See ya later.

-dutch

> --
>  [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed,
>  non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs
>  the links.
>     -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu>

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On Fri, 9 Jul 1999 sheldonh@FreeBSD.org wrote:

> Synopsis: [PATCH] New FAQ : Where to find ISO CD-ROM images
> 
> State-Changed-From-To: open->feedback
> State-Changed-By: sheldonh
> State-Changed-When: Fri Jul 9 05:37:12 PDT 1999
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> Are the ISO images taken from the Walnut Creek CDROMs? If they are, are
> you sure it's legal to offer them for public download?

The images are taken from the WC CD-ROMS, AFAIK.  

Is is legal to offer them for download?  I don't know.  Probably.
This answer has gone out on the list several times, and I
did not see anyone from core raise a fuss.  Who do I ask to make sure
this is not a problem?

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On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 06:10:28 MST, Woody Carey wrote:

> The images are taken from the WC CD-ROMS, AFAIK.  
> 
> Is is legal to offer them for download?  I don't know.  Probably.

Definitely not. You're allowed to create your own CD's from stuff that
you downloaded. You're not allowed to create CD's from the WC CDROMs.

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On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote:

> 
> 
> On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 06:10:28 MST, Woody Carey wrote:
> 
> > The images are taken from the WC CD-ROMS, AFAIK.  
> > 
> > Is is legal to offer them for download?  I don't know.  Probably.
> 
> Definitely not. You're allowed to create your own CD's from stuff that
> you downloaded. You're not allowed to create CD's from the WC CDROMs.
> 

Ok, so, does this mean the german ftp site stays up as it has been,
but I (we) are not supposed to tell anyone of it's existence?  Or is
the site supposed to be taken down?  Or can we tell people where to get
these images, but with the express forbiddance to burn discs from them?

FWIW, I was under the impression the utility of these images were for
people with lots of disk space and high bandwidth connections.  For them
it would make sense just to download four files overnight or over a few
days and keep them around as local mirrors.  

I have been in this position before and I know the craving for one big
easy tarball or whatever.  Access  to high bandwidth is funny that way.
:-)

Anyway, unless I can turn this patch into something useful somehow, such
as adding a statement "do not burn from these images" then this pr should
just be closed and I will drop the matter.

 - Woody



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On Fri, 09 Jul 1999 07:59:58 MST, Woody Carey wrote:

> Ok, so, does this mean the german ftp site stays up as it has been,
> but I (we) are not supposed to tell anyone of it's existence?

This is a different issue. Whether or not the FTP site continues to
offer files that it shouldn't is unrelated to whether or not it's
appropriate to include in the FAQ information that will encourage poeple
to piss Walnut Creek off. :-)

> Anyway, unless I can turn this patch into something useful somehow, such
> as adding a statement "do not burn from these images" then this pr should
> just be closed and I will drop the matter.

We should not say anything in the FAQ that encourages people to break
the copyright on the Walnut Creek CDROMs. I'll close the PR for you.

Ciao,
Sheldon.


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Synopsis: [PATCH] New FAQ : Where to find ISO CD-ROM images

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The ISO images in question are of Walnut Creek CDROMs, which we
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On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Woody Carey wrote:

> Ok, so, does this mean the german ftp site stays up as it has been,
> but I (we) are not supposed to tell anyone of it's existence?  Or is
> the site supposed to be taken down?  Or can we tell people where to get
> these images, but with the express forbiddance to burn discs from them?

I'm fairly sure that the German ftp site rolls their own ISOs.

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> The images are taken from the WC CD-ROMS, AFAIK.  
> 
> Is is legal to offer them for download?  I don't know.  Probably.
> This answer has gone out on the list several times, and I
> did not see anyone from core raise a fuss.  Who do I ask to make sure
> this is not a problem?

It's a very fine line since the WC CDs are made using publically
available sources, but some work does go into the organization and
collation process and we prefer that people not simply clone this
unless it's purely for PR purposes.  Otherwise we'd be sending the
message that any small CD publisher was free to just subscribe to the
Walnut Creek CDROM product and start duping the first set they got in
the mail for resale at $10 a copy or something.

Of course, this would also be insane since few people honestly make
money at that price-point and it's not as bad as it sounds even when
it does happen since all the re-order information on the CD will still
point to Walnut Creek CDROM, leading a lot of the reorders in our
direction.  Still, it's easier and better all around if people just
take the 2-3 hours required to actually create their own images and
thus not enter into any potential issues at all.  Everything but
segregating the packages is a total no-brainer, and even segregating
packages can be easily done if you just ask Steve Price for the script
he uses :)

- Jordan


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> Ok, so, does this mean the german ftp site stays up as it has been,
> but I (we) are not supposed to tell anyone of it's existence?  Or is
> the site supposed to be taken down?  Or can we tell people where to get
> these images, but with the express forbiddance to burn discs from them?

Please see my previous reply - images produced privately, as the
German ones were, are perfectly fine.  Perhaps you should simply take
my previous statement on this and SGML-ify it. :)

- Jordan


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Hi,

Chapter 27 of the handbook (Resources on the Internet) talks about 
mailing lists, usenet and www sites.

Do people [dis]agree that a new section might be added here for 
``Other servers'' or ``Other services''.  These services could 
initially include offers of free FreeBSD related email addresses 
(user@ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org can be advertised immediately - anyone that 
wants one can have one... other user groups may want to do this too), 
and if anyone has a need for an account on a FreeBSD box (and wants to 
`further the cause'), shell accounts can be provided too.

I'm sure other services & offers might also fit in here.

I can start the section off with some offers from the UK user group - 
just to get the ball rolling :-)

Suggestions / comments ?

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On Sat, Jul 10, 1999 at 12:16:48AM +0100, Brian Somers wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I can start the section off with some offers from the UK user group - 
> just to get the ball rolling :-)
> 

Sounds like a great idea to me :)  [What am I doing at work already!  I've got
a plane to catch in a few hours, and I really should be still asleep.]

Speak to you the week after next upon my return Brian.

Joe
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On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Jay Nelson wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Greg Black wrote:
>
> >How would this (dropping teTeX) impact people who wanted to
> >install teTeX for other purposes?  If it would have any negative
> >consequences for them, then it sounds like a Bad Idea [tm].
> 
> You misunderstood. I mean't no changes to the Doc Project.  This, if I
> do it, would be for my benefit only. If others are interested, I would
> be willing to document the steps. Doing this would be a major pain in
> the backside and only of value to those who know and use TeX for other
> things, but would also like to explore the Doc Project without
> dropping ~85MB onto their disk.
> 
> I think I expressed myself poorly im my earlier mail and should have
> kept my mouth shut.
> 

Mu impression was always that unless you want to see it in ps/pdf format
you don't have to have tex?

Or do you?

> Sorry for the noise.
> 
> -- Jay
> 

	Sander

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I have stuffed DocBook in the 'ol brain and have a question(s).

1) What are the limits to page beautification, shading and color.

2) I looked over the CD-ROM (walcrk) and did not find the BSD version
   of DocBook. Do I have to ftp the DocBook-FreeBSD version from 
   FreeBSD.org? 

3) Almost all web sites I visited that had something to do with
   documentation had the same look, plain paper. Is this the preferred
   look for sites or just a look generated by DocBook?

a) New Topic: WP8 does have DocBook and the DOD SGML on the CD. I 
   think I have enough windoze\disk\space to give it a try. What 
   kind of HTML will fall out? Got me. As soon as I generate 
   something useful I will post the URL. It will be notes or maybe
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On Sat, 10 Jul 1999, Narvi wrote:

[snip]

>Mu impression was always that unless you want to see it in ps/pdf format
>you don't have to have tex?
>
>Or do you?

Your impression is correct.

-- Jay



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1) found DocBook - ports /text ...

2) WP8 and Netscape do not fit in 32meg - error when validate is
   selected. Will check mail later. I do not think the windoze
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   tries to do memory mapping ... Duh!

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>Number:         12589
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       inetd.8 has a typo (``'': should be ``:'')
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Sat Jul 10 11:40:01 PDT 1999
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Kazuo Horikawa
>Release:        FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386
>Organization:
jpman Project
>Environment:

	inetd.8 from 3.2-19990708-STABLE SNAPSHOT	
	This is src/usr.sbin/inetd/inetd.8 rev. 1.22.2.2 (RELENG_3)

	(current has same typo.)

>Description:

	man 8 inetd shows:
[snip]
     The user entry should contain the user name of the user as whom the serv-
     er should run.  This allows for servers to be given less permission than
     root.  Optional group part separated by ``'': allows to specify group
     name different than default group for this user.  Optional login-class
     part separated by ``/'' allows to specify login class different than de-
     fault ``daemon'' login class.
[snip]

	``'': should be ``:''.

>How-To-Repeat:

	$ man 8 inetd

>Fix:
	
	This is because ":" is a punctuation character, which is
	treated as special character in nroff.  To treat ":" as a
	normal character, ":" should be escaped with "\&", as
	following:

--- inetd.8.orig	Sun Jul 11 00:47:14 1999
+++ inetd.8	Sun Jul 11 00:47:29 1999
@@ -314,7 +314,7 @@
 Optional
 .Em group
 part separated by
-.Dq :
+.Dq \&:
 allows to specify group name different
 than default group for this user.
 Optional

>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:
>Unformatted:


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It seems that Splashkit link
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Have a good time !

Oops - too late.

> On Sat, Jul 10, 1999 at 12:16:48AM +0100, Brian Somers wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I can start the section off with some offers from the UK user group - 
> > just to get the ball rolling :-)
> > 
> 
> Sounds like a great idea to me :)  [What am I doing at work already!  I've got
> a plane to catch in a few hours, and I really should be still asleep.]
> 
> Speak to you the week after next upon my return Brian.
> 
> Joe
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> Pavilion Internet plc.  [joe@pavilion.net, joe@uk.freebsd.org, joe@tao.org.uk]

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