From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 8 4: 5:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from zed.ludd.luth.se (zed.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD28F14E50 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 04:05:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pantzer@speedy.ludd.luth.se) Received: from speedy.ludd.luth.se (pantzer@speedy.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.164]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28183; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:04:10 +0200 Message-Id: <199908081104.NAA28183@zed.ludd.luth.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: brian@pobox.com Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The $500 Performance Question In-Reply-To: Message from Brian McGroarty of "Fri, 06 Aug 1999 22:15:05 PDT." <19990807051505.3696.rocketmail@web1003.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 13:04:10 +0200 From: Mattias Pantzare Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm not sure I see where building objects to another drive would > help either with lazy writes/soft updates on since the entire > block of files to be written easily fits within RAM. They are not cached forever. Dirty blocks are written everey 30 seconds. = Why = not just try a diffrent disk for obj? > Interestingly, despite there only being a (roughly) 15% decrease > in time, CPU usage jumps tremendously. Most of the time I'm > averaging about 20% free on one CPU and as little as 5% on the > other. I'll be curious to look at the soft update code - I > wonder if that's coded as efficiently as it could be. You can probably blame the giant locks instead. The CPUs will wait for = eachother a lot. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 8 11:43:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2C215033 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:43:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA10218 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:40:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:40:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kern/12275: Patches to add support for new chipset (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1280420877-934137657=:10179" Content-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1280420877-934137657=:10179 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Updated patches to use the Diamond HomeFree home phoneline based network card (AMD Am79C978) are now available from http://www.watson.org/freebsd/hardware/amd_pcnet_home_patch.txt The updated version doesn't interfere with the probing of other lnc-supported ethernet devices, unlike the previous patches. They are also a little cleaner. I've had a number of reports that these cards+patches work for other people than me, and emails interested in having them comitted. I was wondering what the procedure for doing this would be? Robert N M Watson robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ PGP key fingerprint: AF B5 5F FF A6 4A 79 37 ED 5F 55 E9 58 04 6A B1 TIS Labs at Network Associates, Computing Laboratory at Cambridge University Safeport Network Services ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:36:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson Reply-To: Robert Watson To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kern/12275: Patches to add support for new chipset Attached are cleaned up patches against -current from Aug 7, and that don't interfere with the existing lnc supported cards, unlike the previous patches. I've received a number of emails asking about having this added to -stable and -current, and reporting success in using the driver. Thanks, Robert N M Watson robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ PGP key fingerprint: AF B5 5F FF A6 4A 79 37 ED 5F 55 E9 58 04 6A B1 TIS Labs at Network Associates, Computing Laboratory at Cambridge University Safeport Network Services --0-1280420877-934137657=:10179-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 8 12: 5:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C233414D53 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:05:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03593 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:01:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:01:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199908081901.VAA03593@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kodak DC240 camera USB download utility Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In list.freebsd-hardware you wrote (5 Aug 1999 00:32:40 +0200): > On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > A first alpha version of my picture download utility for the > > Kodak DC240 camera is available, it's called ``oPhoto''. It > > has been tested with the following environment: > > Er, Ophoto is a product by Apple... the name is probably copyrighted. I searched Apple's web site, there is no such thing. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 8 12: 7:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.az.home.com (ha1.rdc1.az.home.com [24.1.240.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34C314D53; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:07:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from elgreen@iname.com) Received: from ehome.local.net ([24.9.114.169]) by mail.rdc1.az.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990808190544.FZGW27077.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@ehome.local.net>; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:05:44 -0700 From: Eric Lee Green Organization: Myself @ Home To: Doug Subject: Re: More on receiver lockups Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:00:21 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG References: <37ACA0E3.7064314B@gorean.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99080812061000.00360@ehome.local.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 07 Aug 1999, Doug wrote: > Eric Lee Green wrote: > > > Well, I cvsup'ed "stable" (just the kernel) > > I'm glad it worked for you this time, but I can't let this pass without a > warning. It's a very bad idea to upgrade your source then build just the > kernel. You should always make world first to avoid possible > incompatabilities between the kernel and your userland programs. Hmm, is the kernel in "stable" going to change enough for this to be a big deal? I know that if you don't do "make world" in "current" you're likely to bomb big-time, but I thought "stable" was, well, stable, and the changes in the kernel would be like the changes from 2.0.36 to 2.0.37 Linux kernel, i.e. updates, some minor functionality fixes, but no big changes to existing functionality. I didn't do a "make world" because I didn't cvsup the world, I just cvsup'ed the kernel, due to lack of time, lack of bandwidth, and overcrowded cvsup servers. I will set a cvsup going this AM out of my crontab, I guess, and go ahead and update the rest of my "stable"... -- Eric Lee Green http://members.tripod.com/e_l_green mail: e_l_green@hotmail.com ^^^^^^^ Burdening Microsoft with SPAM! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 8 14: 3:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5933A14DBA for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:03:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: from current1.whistle.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA95551; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:01:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: brian@pobox.com Cc: Brian McGroarty , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The $500 Performance Question In-Reply-To: <19990807051505.3696.rocketmail@web1003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Brian McGroarty wrote: > Moving from the old wd driver to the new ata made very, very > little difference. Soft updates shaved about 10 minutes off the > build however. > > I don't believe more RAM will buy me anything as I'm already at > 512 and I don't think the free section dips under 200 during > make world. > > I'm not sure I see where building objects to another drive would > help either with lazy writes/soft updates on since the entire > block of files to be written easily fits within RAM. the writes to disk get in the way of the reads of needed source files therefore the CPU stalls, hence idle time.. > > I'm also of the opinion that reading ahead in the make file > won't make a tremendous difference if I'm using "make -j 40 > world" as there should most always be a task ready to run while > the read operation waits to complete on a stalled thread. No, most of the processes will be waiting for souce most of the time.. > > Interestingly, despite there only being a (roughly) 15% decrease > in time, CPU usage jumps tremendously. Most of the time I'm > averaging about 20% free on one CPU and as little as 5% on the > other. I'll be curious to look at the soft update code - I > wonder if that's coded as efficiently as it could be. it trades CPU/memory for IO. > > > --- Julian Elischer wrote: > > ensure that all output is to different drives and a different > > controller > > from the source. use soft updates, (or async if the output > > drive is > > expendable). use -current. possibly modify each makefile at a > > medium > > level to preread the sources so they are in cache (and use the > > money to > > add more RAM). The disks should be DMA and the trick is to > > make sure that > > everything is already in RAM. > > > > On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Brian McGroarty wrote: > > > > > I've got a PC used primarily for programming. Projects tend > > to be large (8-12 > > > megs of C++ source), so build time is a concern. I'd like > > ideas on where the > > > best place to sink $500 would be to boost performance. > > > > > > Relevant in the current configuration: > > > > > > o (2) Celeron 300a (on socket converters, overclocked to > > 500mhz) > > > o Tyan Tiger 100 motherboard (Dual CPU) > > > o 512mb 100mhz RAM > > > > > > EIDE controller: > > > o 14 gig 7200 EIDE (/usr,/,swap) > > > o 28 gig 7200 EIDE (/tobackup,/cvs) > > > > > > EIDE controller 1: > > > o 14 gig 7200 EIDE (/home) > > > o 2/8x CDRW/CD-ROM > > > > > > For a familiar benchmark, a FreeBSD 'make world -j 40' takes > > about an hour > > > and ten minutes. This may be slewed against your ssytem by > > the inclusion of > > > -O3 optimization. > > > > > > The CPUs realize a lot of idle time; upward of 60%. I expect > > then that I/O is > > > my main bottleneck. > > > > > > The drives are Ultra-66 capable, but I don't believe FreeBSD > > supports this at > > > current. Thus, I don't see a way to enhance what I've got. > > (I'm already > > > enabling 32-bit and DMA on the controllers via flags). > > > > > > So what's my best bet? Is there a fast and economical SCSI-2 > > controller and > > > drive I should try? Any supported IDE RAID controllers? Or > > is there an > > > Ultra-66 controller FreeBSD merely sees as really fast EIDE? > > > > > > Or is this time being spent in the huge kernel lock? Would > > CAS2 capable RAM > > > then perhaps speed the buffer transfers noticably and get > > the CPUs back to > > > unmanaged portions more quickly? > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the > > message > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 8 14:25:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from online.no (pilt-s.online.no [148.122.208.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F2414C4F for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:25:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shaun.jurrens@stud.uni-regensburg.de) Received: from dakota.shamz.net (ti01a26-0031.dialup.online.no [130.67.3.159]) by online.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA29020 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:22:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from shaun@localhost) by dakota.shamz.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01031 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:35:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from shaun) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:35:28 +0200 From: Shaun Jurrens To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Parallel Zip Drive on FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE Message-ID: <19990808143528.A376@dakota.shamz.net> References: <003b01bee10b$07297580$0100a8c0@duncan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <003b01bee10b$07297580$0100a8c0@duncan>; from Duncan Spooner on Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 08:28:02PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Doug (and everyone who finds this in the archives), 1. It's good that you included the dmesg, but without your kernel config file, it's damn hard to know if you included everything correctly. 2. I'm assuming you searched the mail archives at www.freebsd.org first. I know the topic has been covered on many occasions. 3. Setting up the zip drive is not unproblematic. 4. A few suggestions that have helped me on different platforms... On Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 08:28:02PM +0100, Duncan Spooner wrote: #> I have a parallel port Iomega Zip Drive. I have installed 3.2-RELEASE and #> although the vpo0 is detected it does not see da0, and when I try "mount -t #> msdos /dev/da0s4 /mnt" it gives me the error message "msdos: /dev/da0s4: #> Device not configured". Try to make a subdirectory that is unique to the zip drive like /mnt/zip , in case you want to mount other things in the future. Then make sure that the devices exist (i.e.: ls -l /dev/da*, if not make them as root in the /dev directory with ./MAKEDEV da0 making sure the slice(s) you need are there afterward as well (if not, use MAKEDEV again only with da0s[slice number]). #> #> I have added scbus0 and da0 to the kernel as well. Here is a copy of what I use on a comparable config (only relevant excerpts): controller ppbus0 controller vpo0 at ppbus0 controller scbus0 at vpo0 device da0 device lpt0 at ppbus0 device ppi0 at ppbus0 device ppc0 at isa? port 0x378 tty irq 7 #see your BIOS for parallel #port address setting #> Also, don't forget to see in your BIOS (DEL key at boot time), if the parallel port is set for ECP/EPP mode 1.9, it's faster and _may_ help with recognition (varies based on your parallel port chip set). Don't forget to rtfm (read the f**ing man page) because all of these drivers have one (albeit with a few errors). #> The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. #> FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE #6: Fri Aug 6 14:22:48 BST 1999 #> duncan@freebsd.duncanspooner.co.uk:/usr/src/sys/compile/FREEBSD #> Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz #> CPU: Pentium/P54C (133.12-MHz 586-class CPU) #> Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping=12 #> real memory = 16777216 (16384K bytes) #> avail memory = 13840384 (13516K bytes) Without being too pushy, try to get some more ram before they don't make it anymore, 16mb works, but you can easily use more :) #> Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02bd000. #> Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: #> chip0: rev 0x23 on pci0.0.0 #> chip1: rev 0x25 on pci0.7.0 #> ide_pci0: rev 0x06 on #> pci0.7.1 #> vga0: rev 0x00 on pci0.8.0 #> ed1: rev 0x00 int a irq 11 on pci0.10.0 #> ed1: address 00:e0:29:2b:16:06, type NE2000 (16 bit) I keep seeing this more often. There is a driver for the RealTek cards called rl0. If you read /sys/i386/conf/LINT or even the GENERIC kernel you will see that this is for ISA NE2000 compatible cards and unless the man pages are out of date (mine should only be 2 days old) or I am terribly misinformed (again man rl or man ed) you should be using it. Seems to be newer users with this problem. Is it a sysinstall recognition mistake? In any case, it is interesting that it works... #> Probing for PnP devices: #> Probing for devices on the ISA bus: #> sc0 on isa #> sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ---So we end up with messages like this: #> ed0 not found at 0x280 #> atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard #> atkbd0 irq 1 on isa #> psm0 not found ---- #> Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle #> changing root device to wd0s1a You can eliminate this message by including: config kernel root on wd0s1a in your kernel config file. I assume you still use the GENERIC setting. -- Yours truly, Shaun D. Jurrens 0860 Oslo (new) (hopefully soon: shaun@shamz.net) IRCnick: shamz #chillout #unix To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 8 14:45: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3046515051; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:44:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Duncan.Spooner_freebsd@btinternet.com) Received: from [212.140.97.153] (helo=duncan) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11Daif-0006jv-00; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:43:05 +0100 Message-ID: <009001bee1e6$80a9ec60$0100a8c0@duncan> From: "Duncan Spooner" To: , References: <003b01bee10b$07297580$0100a8c0@duncan> <19990808143528.A376@dakota.shamz.net> Subject: Re: Parallel Zip Drive on FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:37:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > 1. It's good that you included the dmesg, but without your kernel config > file, it's damn hard to know if you included everything correctly. ---------> Start of current kernel configuration: # # GENERIC -- Generic machine with WD/AHx/NCR/BTx family disks # machine "i386" cpu "I386_CPU" cpu "I486_CPU" cpu "I586_CPU" cpu "I686_CPU" ident GENERIC maxusers 32 options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options MFS #Memory Filesystem options MFS_ROOT #MFS usable as root device, "MFS" req'ed options NFS #Network Filesystem options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root device, "NFS" req'ed options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 Filesystem options "CD9660_ROOT" #CD-ROM usable as root. "CD9660" req'ed options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options SCSI_DELAY=15000 #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options FAILSAFE #Be conservative options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options COMPAT_LINUX config kernel root on wd0 controller isa0 controller pnp0 controller eisa0 controller pci0 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 #disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 options "CMD640" # work around CMD640 chip deficiency controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 #disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 #disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 #disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 options ATAPI #Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus options ATAPI_STATIC #Don't do it as an LKM device acd0 #IDE CD-ROM #device wfd0 #IDE Floppy (e.g. LS-120) # A single entry for any of these controllers (ncr, ahb, ahc) is # sufficient for any number of installed devices. #controller ncr0 #controller ahb0 #controller ahc0 #controller isp0 # This controller offers a number of configuration options, too many to # document here - see the LINT file in this directory and look up the # dpt0 entry there for much fuller documentation on this. #controller dpt0 #controller adv0 at isa? port ? cam irq ? #controller adw0 #controller bt0 at isa? port ? cam irq ? #controller aha0 at isa? port ? cam irq ? controller scbus0 # Zip Drive support device da0 # Zip Drive support #device sa0 #device pass0 #device cd0 #Only need one of these, the code dynamically grows #device wt0 at isa? port 0x300 bio irq 5 drq 1 #device mcd0 at isa? port 0x300 bio irq 10 #controller matcd0 at isa? port 0x230 bio #device scd0 at isa? port 0x230 bio # atkbdc0 controlls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse controller atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD tty device atkbd0 at isa? tty irq 1 #device psm0 at isa? tty irq 12 device vga0 at isa? port ? conflicts # splash screen/screen saver pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? tty # Enable this and PCVT_FREEBSD for pcvt vt220 compatible console driver #device vt0 at isa? tty options XSERVER # support for X server #options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor # If you have a ThinkPAD, uncomment this along with the rest of the PCVT lines #options PCVT_SCANSET=2 # IBM keyboards are non-std device npx0 at isa? port IO_NPX irq 13 # # Laptop support (see LINT for more options) # device apm0 at isa? disable flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support #controller card0 #device pcic0 at card? #device pcic1 at card? device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" flags 0x10 tty irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 #device sio2 at isa? disable port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5 #device sio3 at isa? disable port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9 # Parallel port device ppc0 at isa? port? flags 0x40 net irq 7 controller ppbus0 controller vpo0 at ppbus? # Zip drive support device lpt0 at ppbus? device plip0 at ppbus? device ppi0 at ppbus? device pps0 at ppbus? #device lpbb0 at ppbus? # # The following Ethernet NICs are all PCI devices. # #device ax0 # ASIX AX88140A #device de0 # DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip'') #device fxp0 # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) #device mx0 # Macronix 98713/98715/98725 (``PMAC'') #device pn0 # Lite-On 82c168/82c169 (``PNIC'') #device rl0 # RealTek 8129/8139 #device tl0 # Texas Instruments ThunderLAN #device tx0 # SMC 9432TX (83c170 ``EPIC'') #device vr0 # VIA Rhine, Rhine II #device vx0 # 3Com 3c590, 3c595 (``Vortex'') #device wb0 # Winbond W89C840F #device xl0 # 3Com 3c90x (``Boomerang'', ``Cyclone'') # Order is important here due to intrusive probes, do *not* alphabetize # this list of network interfaces until the probes have been fixed. # Right now it appears that the ie0 must be probed before ep0. See # revision 1.20 of this file. device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 #device ie0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd0000 #device ep0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 #device ex0 at isa? port? net irq? #device fe0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq ? #device le0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 5 iomem 0xd0000 #device lnc0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 10 drq 0 #device ze0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 #device zp0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 #device cs0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq ? pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether pseudo-device sl 1 pseudo-device ppp 1 pseudo-device tun 1 pseudo-device pty 16 pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's pseudo-device speaker # KTRACE enables the system-call tracing facility ktrace(2). # This adds 4 KB bloat to your kernel, and slightly increases # the costs of each syscall. options KTRACE #kernel tracing # This provides support for System V shared memory and message queues. # options SYSVSHM options SYSVMSG options SYSVSEM # The `bpfilter' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. Be # aware of the legal and administrative consequences of enabling this # option. The number of devices determines the maximum number of # simultaneous BPF clients programs runnable. pseudo-device bpfilter 4 #Berkeley packet filter ---------> End of current kernel configuration: > > On Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 08:28:02PM +0100, Duncan Spooner wrote: > #> I have a parallel port Iomega Zip Drive. I have installed 3.2-RELEASE and > #> although the vpo0 is detected it does not see da0, and when I try "mount -t > #> msdos /dev/da0s4 /mnt" it gives me the error message "msdos: /dev/da0s4: > #> Device not configured". > > Try to make a subdirectory that is unique to the zip drive like /mnt/zip > , in case you want to mount other things in the future. Then make sure that the > devices exist (i.e.: ls -l /dev/da*, if not make them as root in the /dev > directory with ./MAKEDEV da0 making sure the slice(s) you need are there > afterward as well (if not, use MAKEDEV again only with da0s[slice number]). > #> > #> I have added scbus0 and da0 to the kernel as well. Have tried that as well. > Here is a copy of what I use on a comparable config (only relevant > excerpts): > > controller ppbus0 > controller vpo0 at ppbus0 > controller scbus0 at vpo0 > device da0 > device lpt0 at ppbus0 > device ppi0 at ppbus0 > device ppc0 at isa? port 0x378 tty irq 7 #see your BIOS for parallel > #port address setting > #> > > Also, don't forget to see in your BIOS (DEL key at boot time), if the > parallel port is set for ECP/EPP mode 1.9, it's faster and _may_ help > with recognition (varies based on your parallel port chip set). Don't > forget to rtfm (read the f**ing man page) because all of these drivers > have one (albeit with a few errors). You could see from the dmesg file, that vpo0 loaded with EEP 1.9 mode. > #> The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > #> FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE #6: Fri Aug 6 14:22:48 BST 1999 > #> duncan@freebsd.duncanspooner.co.uk:/usr/src/sys/compile/FREEBSD > #> Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz > #> CPU: Pentium/P54C (133.12-MHz 586-class CPU) > #> Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping=12 > #> real memory = 16777216 (16384K bytes) > #> avail memory = 13840384 (13516K bytes) > Without being too pushy, try to get some more ram before they don't make > it anymore, 16mb works, but you can easily use more :) > #> Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02bd000. > #> Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: > #> chip0: rev 0x23 on pci0.0.0 > #> chip1: rev 0x25 on pci0.7.0 > #> ide_pci0: rev 0x06 on > #> pci0.7.1 > #> vga0: rev 0x00 on pci0.8.0 > #> ed1: rev 0x00 int a irq 11 on pci0.10.0 > #> ed1: address 00:e0:29:2b:16:06, type NE2000 (16 bit) > > I keep seeing this more often. There is a driver for the RealTek cards > called rl0. If you read /sys/i386/conf/LINT or even the GENERIC kernel > you will see that this is for ISA NE2000 compatible cards and unless the > man pages are out of date (mine should only be 2 days old) or I am > terribly misinformed (again man rl or man ed) you should be using it. > Seems to be newer users with this problem. Is it a sysinstall > recognition mistake? In any case, it is interesting that it works... Note, my card is a RealTek 8029, and the rl0 driver is for RealTek 8129/8139, and that works for me anyway. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 8 19: 4:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4DE14E5A for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 19:04:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA15262; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:01:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Robert Watson Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kern/12275: Patches to add support for new chipset (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I may be missing something but this patch contains read_mii() and write_mii() but never does anything with them. I'm going to go out on a limb and make a guess that you really mean: + media = read_mii(sc, BCR49); ... + write_mii(sc, BCR49, media); Any chance that we can identify the PHY used by these cards and make sure we're dealing with one of them before we go reading and writing to one blindly? What if Diamond changes PHYs? Anyhow, I don't see these design issues getting in the way of adding functionality. Regenerate your patch and I'll commit it. (unless someone else wants to.) On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Robert Watson wrote: > Updated patches to use the Diamond HomeFree home phoneline based network > card (AMD Am79C978) are now available from > > http://www.watson.org/freebsd/hardware/amd_pcnet_home_patch.txt > > The updated version doesn't interfere with the probing of other > lnc-supported ethernet devices, unlike the previous patches. They are > also a little cleaner. > > I've had a number of reports that these cards+patches work for other > people than me, and emails interested in having them comitted. I was > wondering what the procedure for doing this would be? > > Robert N M Watson > > robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ > PGP key fingerprint: AF B5 5F FF A6 4A 79 37 ED 5F 55 E9 58 04 6A B1 > TIS Labs at Network Associates, Computing Laboratory at Cambridge University > Safeport Network Services > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:36:03 -0400 (EDT) > From: Robert Watson > Reply-To: Robert Watson > To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: kern/12275: Patches to add support for new chipset > > > Attached are cleaned up patches against -current from Aug 7, and that > don't interfere with the existing lnc supported cards, unlike the previous > patches. I've received a number of emails asking about having this added > to -stable and -current, and reporting success in using the driver. > > Thanks, > > Robert N M Watson > > robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ > PGP key fingerprint: AF B5 5F FF A6 4A 79 37 ED 5F 55 E9 58 04 6A B1 > TIS Labs at Network Associates, Computing Laboratory at Cambridge University > Safeport Network Services > > -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 8 20:19:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A7C150FC for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:19:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA14154; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:14:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:14:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kern/12275: Patches to add support for new chipset (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > I may be missing something but this patch contains read_mii() and > write_mii() but never does anything with them. Ah--those actually went in for debugging purposes, as apparently these cards suffer from interference due to line quality. For example, I can send packets around on one floor of my house fine, but when I try to send packets along a wire that goes out via the telco's interface box, half the packets are lost at certain times of day. In theory, you can read in statistics on loss, error conditions, and modify power levels and speeds via the MII, but I could never get the card to actually read this data. The datasheet claims it is possible, but (for example) the Linux driver also marks this as a card not capable of MII. You may want to strip out the read/write_mii, but they are actually quite useful on other PCnet-style cards, just not this one :-(. > I'm going to go out on a limb and make a guess that you really mean: > > + media = read_mii(sc, BCR49); > ... > + write_mii(sc, BCR49, media); Given that the card doesn't work without the lines as I have them, I think that the current arrangement is actually the correct one. See below. > Any chance that we can identify the PHY used by these cards and make sure > we're dealing with one of them before we go reading and writing to one > blindly? What if Diamond changes PHYs? The AM79C979 datsheet (p178) defines bits 1 - 0 of BCR49 as follows: 1-0 PHY_SEL PHY Select. These bits define the active PHY as follows: 00 10BASE-T PHY 01 HomePNA PHY 10 External PHY 11 Reserved/Undefined As far as I can tell, there does not seem to be a way to probe for available PHY's. At least on the card I have, there is only a phone-net port, so I'm not sure why they don't auto-assign the PHY. I'll look into this further though--perhaps this should be influenced by the interface link state, or the like. BSD/OS has a nice feature wherein (I believe) interfaces can generate their own lists of link types and ifconfig can be used to dynmically list and select from among these, with custom strings. > Anyhow, I don't see these design issues getting in the way of adding > functionality. > > Regenerate your patch and I'll commit it. (unless someone else wants to.) Sounds great. I'll investigate further, but I think just hard-assigning the PHY is the best solution for the time being. Thanks, Robert > > On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Robert Watson wrote: > > Updated patches to use the Diamond HomeFree home phoneline based network > > card (AMD Am79C978) are now available from > > > > http://www.watson.org/freebsd/hardware/amd_pcnet_home_patch.txt > > > > The updated version doesn't interfere with the probing of other > > lnc-supported ethernet devices, unlike the previous patches. They are > > also a little cleaner. > > > > I've had a number of reports that these cards+patches work for other > > people than me, and emails interested in having them comitted. I was > > wondering what the procedure for doing this would be? > > > > Robert N M Watson > > > > robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ > > PGP key fingerprint: AF B5 5F FF A6 4A 79 37 ED 5F 55 E9 58 04 6A B1 > > TIS Labs at Network Associates, Computing Laboratory at Cambridge University > > Safeport Network Services > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:36:03 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Robert Watson > > Reply-To: Robert Watson > > To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: kern/12275: Patches to add support for new chipset > > > > > > Attached are cleaned up patches against -current from Aug 7, and that > > don't interfere with the existing lnc supported cards, unlike the previous > > patches. I've received a number of emails asking about having this added > > to -stable and -current, and reporting success in using the driver. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Robert N M Watson > > > > robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ > > PGP key fingerprint: AF B5 5F FF A6 4A 79 37 ED 5F 55 E9 58 04 6A B1 > > TIS Labs at Network Associates, Computing Laboratory at Cambridge University > > Safeport Network Services > > > > > > -- > | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | > | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | > | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | > > Robert N M Watson robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ PGP key fingerprint: AF B5 5F FF A6 4A 79 37 ED 5F 55 E9 58 04 6A B1 TIS Labs at Network Associates, Computing Laboratory at Cambridge University Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 8 23:57:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91E21513B for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:57:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA18453; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 02:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 02:55:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Robert Watson Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kern/12275: Patches to add support for new chipset (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Robert Watson wrote: > Given that the card doesn't work without the lines as I have them, I think > that the current arrangement is actually the correct one. See below. Great. Like I said, I was blindly guessing in an attmept to make sense of the bulk of the patch. > > > Any chance that we can identify the PHY used by these cards and make sure > > we're dealing with one of them before we go reading and writing to one > > blindly? What if Diamond changes PHYs? > > The AM79C979 datsheet (p178) defines bits 1 - 0 of BCR49 as follows: > > 1-0 PHY_SEL PHY Select. These bits define the active PHY as follows: > 00 10BASE-T PHY > 01 HomePNA PHY > 10 External PHY > 11 Reserved/Undefined Ah. If its an internal PHY its likely not an MII PHY. > As far as I can tell, there does not seem to be a way to probe for > available PHY's. At least on the card I have, there is only a phone-net > port, so I'm not sure why they don't auto-assign the PHY. I'll look into > this further though--perhaps this should be influenced by the interface > link state, or the like. BSD/OS has a nice feature wherein (I believe) > interfaces can generate their own lists of link types and ifconfig can be > used to dynmically list and select from among these, with custom strings. Where is the datasheet for this chip? > > Anyhow, I don't see these design issues getting in the way of adding > > functionality. > > > > Regenerate your patch and I'll commit it. (unless someone else wants to.) > > Sounds great. I'll investigate further, but I think just hard-assigning > the PHY is the best solution for the time being. Indeed. Give me a patch with your debuging stuff deleted and I'll commit to -current. We can investigate the bells and whistles later. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 9 7:34:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D2415217 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:34:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA16317; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:31:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from robert@cyrus.watson.org) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:31:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org Reply-To: Robert Watson To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kern/12275: Patches to add support for new chipset (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > Where is the datasheet for this chip? AMD Chip ID's are at: http://www.amd.com/products/npd/software/developers_tools/design_docs/chip_id2.html Am79C978 homepage: http://www.amd.com/products/npd/overview/homenetworking/intro.html Product Blurb + cute home networking image: http://www.amd.com/products/npd/overview/homenetworking/22257.html The datasheet for this card is at: http://www.amd.com/products/npd/techdocs/22206.pdf > > Sounds great. I'll investigate further, but I think just hard-assigning > > the PHY is the best solution for the time being. > > Indeed. > > Give me a patch with your debuging stuff deleted and I'll commit to > -current. We can investigate the bells and whistles later. I've updated the patch at http://www.watson.org/freebsd/hardware/amd_pcnet_home_patch.txt Which should apply cleanly against a -current of about half an hour ago. Robert N M Watson robert@fledge.watson.org http://www.watson.org/~robert/ PGP key fingerprint: AF B5 5F FF A6 4A 79 37 ED 5F 55 E9 58 04 6A B1 TIS Labs at Network Associates, Computing Laboratory at Cambridge University Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 9 11: 3:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ensor.valleyip.net (geeks.valleyip.net [204.248.155.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781AA14A2E for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:03:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bgs@ensor.valleyip.net) Received: (from bgs@localhost) by ensor.valleyip.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17799 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:07:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bgs) From: Brian Skrab Message-Id: <199908091807.LAA17799@ensor.valleyip.net> Subject: Adaptec 1505 ISA SCSI To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:07:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I've just moved a piece of hardware from a 486 running FBSD2.2.8 to a nice new Pentium with FBSD3.2 installed. This is a SCSI card that I use to access my external Zip Drive. 2.2.8 recognized it fine after the following line was compiled into the kernel. controller aic0 at isa? port 0x340 bio irq 10 vector aicintr Adding the same line to 3.2 generates a compile error when making the new kernel. I assume that there is some other way of adding support for this device to the kernel, but cannot seem to figure out what that is. Whenever the computer is booted, the card is recognized by the BIO, FBSD can't seem to see it. Am I missing something? Thanks for any ideas you can provide. ~brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 9 11:53: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF2514F66 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 11:53:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA29721; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:48:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Message-Id: <199908091848.MAA29721@panzer.kdm.org> Subject: Re: Adaptec 1505 ISA SCSI In-Reply-To: <199908091807.LAA17799@ensor.valleyip.net> from Brian Skrab at "Aug 9, 1999 11:07:17 am" To: bgs@ensor.valleyip.net (Brian Skrab) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Kenneth D. Merry" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brian Skrab wrote... > Hello, > > I've just moved a piece of hardware from a 486 running FBSD2.2.8 to > a nice new Pentium with FBSD3.2 installed. This is a SCSI card that > I use to access my external Zip Drive. 2.2.8 recognized it fine > after the following line was compiled into the kernel. > > controller aic0 at isa? port 0x340 bio irq 10 vector aicintr > > Adding the same line to 3.2 generates a compile error when making > the new kernel. I assume that there is some other way of adding > support for this device to the kernel, but cannot seem to figure out > what that is. Whenever the computer is booted, the card is > recognized by the BIO, FBSD can't seem to see it. Am I missing > something? > > Thanks for any ideas you can provide. The aic driver hasn't yet been ported to CAM. I think Brian Beattie is working on it, you can ask him how it's going. I wouldn't count on it anytime soon. So, you can: - get another (supported) SCSI card - downgrade to 2.2.8 again Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 9 16:47:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF1A14BE9 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:47:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kwc@world.std.com) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (STD1.2/BZS-8-1.0) id TAA06525; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA28622; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:42:47 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:42:47 -0400 From: kwc@world.std.com (Kenneth W Cochran) Message-Id: <199908092342.AA28622@world.std.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Managed vs unmanaged NICs Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi... What are the relative merits of "managed" vs "unmanaged" NIC cards for FreeBSD? I've heard that managed cards are wastes of money under Unix-type OSes, but I don't remember why... Could someone fill me in? :) For examples, the Intel 100+ and the 3Com 905B are both available as either "managed" or "unmanaged" cards. Which would be the better choice(s) & why? Thanks, -kc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 9 19:31: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from daedal.oneway.com (daedal.oneway.com [205.252.89.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F00150F2 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:31:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jay@oneway.com) Received: from localhost (jay@localhost) by daedal.oneway.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA25867; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:25:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jay@oneway.com) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:25:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Jay Kuri To: Kenneth W Cochran Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Managed vs unmanaged NICs In-Reply-To: <199908092342.AA28622@world.std.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I've heard that managed cards are wastes of money under > Unix-type OSes, but I don't remember why... Could someone fill > me in? :) > For examples, the Intel 100+ and the 3Com 905B are both > available as either "managed" or "unmanaged" cards. Well, I can't say much about managed vs. unmanaged in general, I can say that there are some problems I can only describe as 'wierd' with the intel managed cards. They only show up rarely, but on some hardware, the cards just lock up and don't send data anymore. Intel is aware of the problem and trying to figure it out... Most hardware works fine... but we have computers at my work that will work with the older unmanaged cards that won't work with the new ones. *shrug* beats me. Jay To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 9 22:45: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from geeks.valleyip.net (geeks.valleyip.net [204.248.155.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8654C15373 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:44:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bgs@geeks.valleyip.net) Received: (from bgs@localhost) by geeks.valleyip.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19102 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:51:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bgs) From: Brian Skrab Message-Id: <199908100551.WAA19102@geeks.valleyip.net> Subject: ISDN TA --> Faster serial port... To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:51:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, The latest addition to my system is a 3Com ImpactIQ ISDN Terminal Adapter. I have been running it off the standard serial port found on the motherboard, but the i/o speed on it is limited to 115k. I would like to take full advantage of the 128k provided by the ISDN line, and will require a high-speed serial card to do so. Does anyone know of a single or dual port (please, not 4/8 port) serial card that will support an i/o speed higher than 115k? I have a TurboCom card that came with the TA, but it uses a 16750 UART that FreeBSD doesn't recognize. As usual, the drivers that the manufacturer of the card provides are Windoze, along with a Linux kernel, which is useless to me (right?). Any recommendations and/or pointers will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, ~brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 9 23:29:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47FE614E70 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:29:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10509; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908100625.XAA10509@implode.root.com> To: Jay Kuri Cc: Kenneth W Cochran , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Managed vs unmanaged NICs In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 09 Aug 1999 22:25:42 EDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 23:25:56 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> I've heard that managed cards are wastes of money under >> Unix-type OSes, but I don't remember why... Could someone fill >> me in? :) >> For examples, the Intel 100+ and the 3Com 905B are both >> available as either "managed" or "unmanaged" cards. > > Well, I can't say much about managed vs. unmanaged in general, I can >say that there are some problems I can only describe as 'wierd' with the >intel managed cards. They only show up rarely, but on some hardware, the >cards just lock up and don't send data anymore. Intel is aware of the >problem and trying to figure it out... Most hardware works fine... but we >have computers at my work that will work with the older unmanaged cards >that won't work with the new ones. *shrug* beats me. This is almost certainly the bug reported in a recent PR. Intel has changed the SEEPROM layout, causing the fxp driver to get the MAC address wrong - it's always the same 6 bytes, so if you have more than one of these on your network, look out! I've been in contact with Intel and have asked for an update on the SEEPROM layout changes. I'm still waiting for a response. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 10 0:55: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from gw-nl3.philips.com (gw-nl3.philips.com [192.68.44.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2046D1538A for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:54:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from R.Schofield@pbc.be.philips.com) Received: from smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (localhost.philips.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl3.philips.com with ESMTP id JAA06047 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:54:37 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from R.Schofield@pbc.be.philips.com) Received: from smtprelay-eur1.philips.com(130.139.36.3) by gw-nl3.philips.com via mwrap (4.0a) id xma006042; Tue, 10 Aug 99 09:54:37 +0200 Received: from bcs11.pbc.be.philips.com (bcs11.bcs.cs.philips.com [130.139.40.111]) by smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (8.9.3/8.8.5-1.2.2m-19990317) with ESMTP id JAA06771 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:54:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from exchvs01.bcs.cs.philips.com (exchvs01.bcs.cs.philips.com [130.139.40.10]) by bcs11.pbc.be.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.2.1a-961023) with ESMTP id JAA09601 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:48:09 +0200 Received: by exchvs01.bcs.cs.philips.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:51:51 +0200 Message-ID: <29F16C82368FD111914F00805F858E4F029DCFDE@exchvs01.bcs.cs.philips.com> From: "Schofield, Robert " To: "'freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: Managed vs unmanaged NICs Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:51:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay Kuri [mailto:jay@oneway.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 4:26 > To: Kenneth W Cochran > Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Managed vs unmanaged NICs I was under the impression that a "Managed" card is where the card has built-in SNMP MIB support to allow remote card parameter management; unmanaged cards require application level support. I don't know it is much use to have somebody "manage" your card settings from under your feet {8^) Rob Schofield To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 10 5:54:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from vespucci.advicom.net (vespucci.advicom.net [199.170.120.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C4C1519C for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:54:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from avalon@vespucci.advicom.net) Received: from localhost (avalon@localhost) by vespucci.advicom.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA26142; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:47:35 -0500 (CDT) X-Envelope-Recipient: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:47:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Avalon Books To: Brian Skrab Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISDN TA --> Faster serial port... In-Reply-To: <199908100551.WAA19102@geeks.valleyip.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Brian Skrab wrote: > The latest addition to my system is a 3Com ImpactIQ ISDN Terminal > Adapter. I have been running it off the standard serial port found > on the motherboard, but the i/o speed on it is limited to 115k. I > would like to take full advantage of the 128k provided by the ISDN > line, and will require a high-speed serial card to do so. Does > anyone know of a single or dual port (please, not 4/8 port) serial > card that will support an i/o speed higher than 115k? I have a > TurboCom card that came with the TA, but it uses a 16750 UART that > FreeBSD doesn't recognize. As usual, the drivers that the > manufacturer of the card provides are Windoze, along with a Linux > kernel, which is useless to me (right?). I use a Boca IO650 card with my ISDN TA (an Alpha Telecom UTA120). Its a plain-jane ISA dual 16C650 serial card that runs quite nicely under FreeBSD 2.2.x (mine has for over a year now). And it didn't even cost me very much (something like $30, as I recall). --R. Pelletier Sys Admin, House Galiagante http://advicom.net/~avalon/house.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 10 6:23:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6DCE153FB for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 06:23:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kwc@world.std.com) Received: from world.std.com (root@world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA14460 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA10469; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:19:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:19:27 -0400 From: kwc@world.std.com (Kenneth W Cochran) Message-Id: <199908101319.AA10469@world.std.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Managed vs unmanaged NICs Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From root@implode.root.com Tue Aug 10 02:30:24 1999 >To: Jay Kuri >Cc: Kenneth W Cochran , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: Managed vs unmanaged NICs >In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 09 Aug 1999 22:25:42 EDT." > >From: David Greenman >Reply-To: dg@root.com >Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 23:25:56 -0700 > >>> I've heard that managed cards are wastes of money under >>> Unix-type OSes, but I don't remember why... Could someone fill >>> me in? :) >>> For examples, the Intel 100+ and the 3Com 905B are both >>> available as either "managed" or "unmanaged" cards. >> >> Well, I can't say much about managed vs. unmanaged in general, I can >>say that there are some problems I can only describe as 'wierd' with the >>intel managed cards. They only show up rarely, but on some hardware, the >>cards just lock up and don't send data anymore. Intel is aware of the >>problem and trying to figure it out... Most hardware works fine... but we >>have computers at my work that will work with the older unmanaged cards >>that won't work with the new ones. *shrug* beats me. > > This is almost certainly the bug reported in a recent PR. Intel has changed >the SEEPROM layout, causing the fxp driver to get the MAC address wrong - it's >always the same 6 bytes, so if you have more than one of these on your network, >look out! > I've been in contact with Intel and have asked for an update on the SEEPROM >layout changes. I'm still waiting for a response. > >-DG > >David Greenman >Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org I s'pose I can assume that there are "problems" with the managed cards. :-) But... A somewhat more "general" Q: Why might/would I want a managed NIC anyway? Also, Intel (for example -- I'm sure the other NIC manufacturers, too) has lines of "desktop" & "server" NICs, both managed & unmanaged, except the server NICs are all "managed." This might make a nice FAQ: How do I select a NIC for FreeBSD? Ie. What features are useful (& not-so-useful)? -kc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 10 7: 0:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188A0153D6 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:00:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA15857; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 06:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908101357.GAA15857@implode.root.com> To: kwc@world.std.com (Kenneth W Cochran) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Managed vs unmanaged NICs In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:19:27 EDT." <199908101319.AA10469@world.std.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 06:57:57 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >A somewhat more "general" Q: > >Why might/would I want a managed NIC anyway? > >Also, Intel (for example -- I'm sure the other NIC >manufacturers, too) has lines of "desktop" & "server" NICs, both >managed & unmanaged, except the server NICs are all "managed." The only significant difference that I know about in the Pro/100 management adapter is the wake-on-lan capability, although I don't have the updated programming data for the 82559 chip so there could be other improvements. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 10 8:19:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail-smtp.socket.net (mail-smtp.socket.net [216.106.1.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F68A15417 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:19:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vaevictus@socket.net) Received: from mail.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.1.7]) by mail-smtp.socket.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA29282 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:19:31 -0500 From: vaevictus@socket.net Received: from socket.net ([216.106.1.12]) by mail.socket.net ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:19:12 -0600 Reply-To: vaevictus@socket.net To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 10 Aug 99 10:19:12 -600 Subject: Problems with a pair of 3c905b's X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 1.5af, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <37b042f0.7cfd.0@socket.net> X-User-Info: 216.106.1.31 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've got a 3.2 box running squid on a Internet routed network and a separate local network, used by the customers of the ISP I work for. It probably deals with a significant amount of traffic. Since I brought the machine to life, I've had virtually no problems. However, occasionally, the server will loose it's network connectivity. The console had panic messages of "kernel: xl0: no memory for rx list -- packet dropped!" for xl0 and xl1. Upon reboot, the system would be fine. I fear that this has happened before, and will occur again. In the /var/log/messages archive, I located what looked like the beginning of the problem, "kernel: Out of mbuf clusters - adjust NMBCLUSTERS or increase maxusers". I'm running the generic 3.2 kernel which has maxusers 32, which i thought would be more than sufficient. NMBCLUSTERS I'm not sure of. Does anyone have any suggestions or info about this situation? Nathan Mahon vaevictus@socket.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 10 8:32:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from gw-nl3.philips.com (gw-nl3.philips.com [192.68.44.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12098153CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:32:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from R.Schofield@pbc.be.philips.com) Received: from smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (localhost.philips.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl3.philips.com with ESMTP id RAA13799 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:31:05 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from R.Schofield@pbc.be.philips.com) Received: from smtprelay-eur1.philips.com(130.139.36.3) by gw-nl3.philips.com via mwrap (4.0a) id xma013795; Tue, 10 Aug 99 17:31:05 +0200 Received: from bcs11.pbc.be.philips.com (bcs11.bcs.cs.philips.com [130.139.40.111]) by smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (8.9.3/8.8.5-1.2.2m-19990317) with ESMTP id RAA22591 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:31:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from exchvs01.bcs.cs.philips.com (exchvs01.bcs.cs.philips.com [130.139.40.10]) by bcs11.pbc.be.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.2.1a-961023) with ESMTP id RAA15897 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:24:38 +0200 Received: by exchvs01.bcs.cs.philips.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:28:19 +0200 Message-ID: <29F16C82368FD111914F00805F858E4F02BD6CF6@exchvs01.bcs.cs.philips.com> From: "Schofield, Robert " To: "'freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: ISDN TA --> Faster serial port... Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:28:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > would like to take full advantage of the 128k provided > by the ISDN > line, and will require a high-speed serial card to do so. Does > anyone know of a single or dual port (please, not 4/8 > port) serial > card that will support an i/o speed higher than 115k? I have a > TurboCom card that came with the TA, A TurboCOM would have been my immediate suggestion, so no joy there then {8^( To be honest, I'm not sure you'd notice the difference between 115k and 128k anyway; I went through this exercise and was disappointed in the results. It's pretty much OS dependent anyway; the best solution I eventually came up with was to bin the serial port TA and bought a LAN based ISDN gateway/router. Slightly more expensive, but fast to set up, uses ethernet (well understood and cheap), has no special serial port hardware and just *works*. I would sincerely hope that your TA is rate buffered (it should be; bin it if it ain't) and that your handshaking control is hardware based and properly functional. If so, then I would have thought it should be pretty much sufficient for most general needs. Rob Schofield To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 10 14: 7:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from tasam.com (tasam.com [206.161.83.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B5F14D41 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:07:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from clash@tasam.com) Received: from bug (209-122-196-239.s239.tnt5.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.196.239]) by tasam.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA06936; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001401bee374$41aa8bc0$0286860a@tasam.com> From: "Joe Gleason" To: , References: <37b042f0.7cfd.0@socket.net> Subject: Re: Problems with a pair of 3c905b's Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:06:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For the network card issue, I suggest that you either upgrade to 3.2-stable or goto http://www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/ and see if there are newer xl0 drives you could use. The later is the simplest, but will require a kernel recompile. I remember a discussion on one of the list a while back. The main idea of it was that increasing individual items such NMBCLUSTERS instead of increasing MAXUSERS will yeild better/more reliable results. Look in LINT for examples of how to do either. Joe Gleason Tasam ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 12:19 Subject: Problems with a pair of 3c905b's > I've got a 3.2 box running squid on a Internet routed network and a separate > local network, used by the customers of the ISP I work for. It probably deals > with a significant amount of traffic. Since I brought the machine to life, > I've had virtually no problems. However, occasionally, the server will loose > it's network connectivity. > The console had panic messages of "kernel: xl0: no memory for rx list -- packet > dropped!" for xl0 and xl1. > > Upon reboot, the system would be fine. I fear that this has happened before, > and will occur again. In the /var/log/messages archive, I located what looked > like the beginning of the problem, "kernel: Out of mbuf clusters - adjust NMBCLUSTERS > or increase maxusers". I'm running the generic 3.2 kernel which has maxusers > 32, which i thought would be more than sufficient. > NMBCLUSTERS I'm not sure of. > > Does anyone have any suggestions or info about this situation? > > > Nathan Mahon > vaevictus@socket.net > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 10 20:41:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from richard2.pil.net (richard2.pil.net [207.8.164.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E830314CBB for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:41:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from up@pil.net) Received: (qmail 27932 invoked by uid 1825); 11 Aug 1999 03:39:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:39:47 -0400 (EDT) From: X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Adaptec ARO-1130 RAID Controller Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I searched the website, documentation and mailing list archives, but came up empty. I see that FreeBSD supports the Adaptec AIC-7896 on-board SCSI, but I can find no mention of the ARO-1130U2, which is a RAID subsystem add-on for the AIC-7896. A post to freebsd-scsi came up empty as well. Is it supported? If not, is anyone known to be working on it? TIA, James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= ISPF 3 - The Forum for ISPs by ISPs(tm) || Nov 15-17, 1999, New Orleans 3 days of clues, news, and views from the industry's best and brightest. Visit for information and registration. ========================================================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 10 23:10:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f28.hotmail.com [216.32.181.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F81C154C8 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:10:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from amybsd@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 36254 invoked by uid 0); 11 Aug 1999 06:10:24 -0000 Message-ID: <19990811061024.36253.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 24.29.199.43 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:10:23 PDT X-Originating-IP: [24.29.199.43] From: "Amy Wennings" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: IDE tape backup suggestions Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:10:23 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know. SCSI is better. But I can't put a SCSI card in this machine. Who has an IDE tape drive they want to brag about? :) I need model recommendations. I want an 8 gig uncompressed or bigger. Are some tapes more reliable than others? QIC, DAT, Travan, ? Is tar realistic? I have about 30 gigs to backup, but only about 200 megs changes most months. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 11 6:29: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mrelay.jrc.it (mrelay.jrc.it [139.191.1.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C7BC14D2E for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:28:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nick.hibma@jrc.it) Received: from elect8 (elect8.jrc.it [139.191.71.152]) by mrelay.jrc.it (LMC5692) with SMTP id PAA26894; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:24:06 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:24:05 +0200 (MET DST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@elect8 Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Duncan Spooner Cc: FreeBSD hardware mailing list Subject: Re: Parallel Zip Drive on FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE In-Reply-To: <009001bee1e6$80a9ec60$0100a8c0@duncan> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > controller scbus0 # Zip Drive support > > device da0 # Zip Drive support > > #device sa0 > > #device pass0 Add the pass0 device as well. Nick -- ISIS/STA, T.P.270, Joint Research Centre, 21020 Ispra, Italy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 11 11:32:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from nick.cendant.com (nick.cendant.com [198.245.183.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71FCF155CF for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:32:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rra@cuc.com) Received: from mailhub.cuc.com (stratford.cuc.com [206.28.153.114]) by nick.cendant.com (8.8.5/8.9.2+) with ESMTP id OAA01433; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:29:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Aliwalas X-Sender: rra@pikachu.oakview.cuc.com To: Amy Wennings Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE tape backup suggestions In-Reply-To: <19990811061024.36253.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Amy Wennings wrote: > I know. SCSI is better. But I can't put a SCSI card in this machine. > > Who has an IDE tape drive they want to brag about? :) > > I need model recommendations. I want an 8 gig uncompressed or bigger. > > Are some tapes more reliable than others? QIC, DAT, Travan, ? > > Is tar realistic? I have about 30 gigs to backup, but only about 200 megs > changes most months. I'd use dump(8). If the 200 megs are in a single file system, you could do a level 0 dump of the whole system say once a month. In between, you could do incremental dumps of the single file system. I don't have any experience w/ non-SCSI tape drives. > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 11 12: 1:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from alice.gba.oz.au (gba-254.tmx.com.au [203.9.155.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 620EE150FD for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:01:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjb-freebsd@gba.oz.au) Received: (qmail 8210 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Aug 1999 02:52:52 +1000 Message-ID: <19990811165252.8209.qmail@alice.gba.oz.au> X-Posted-By: GBA-Post 1.03 20-Sep-1998 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5A91 6942 8CEA 9DAB B95B C249 1CE1 493B 2B5A CE30 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 02:52:52 +1000 From: Greg Black To: vaevictus@socket.net Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with a pair of 3c905b's References: <37b042f0.7cfd.0@socket.net> In-reply-to: <37b042f0.7cfd.0@socket.net> of Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:19:12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org vaevictus@socket.net writes: > I've got a 3.2 box running squid on a Internet routed network and a separate > local network, used by the customers of the ISP I work for. It probably deals > with a significant amount of traffic. Since I brought the machine to life, > I've had virtually no problems. However, occasionally, the server will loose > it's network connectivity. > The console had panic messages of "kernel: xl0: no memory for rx list -- packet > dropped!" for xl0 and xl1. > > Upon reboot, the system would be fine. I fear that this has happened before, > and will occur again. In the /var/log/messages archive, I located what looked > like the beginning of the problem, "kernel: Out of mbuf clusters - adjust NMBCLUSTERS > or increase maxusers". I'm running the generic 3.2 kernel which has maxusers > 32, which i thought would be more than sufficient. > NMBCLUSTERS I'm not sure of. I've just spent a day watching a 3.2 box panic ten times in a row with this and have implemented a fix which has passed the repeatable crash provoking test several times now. I was using pax to copy a filesystem via NFS from this box and when I watched it with systat -mbufs, I found that it actually needed around 1700 mbufs out of the 1024 available to do the job. It turns out that increasing maxusers to 64 does give useful increases in various kernel resources, but in fact that was not enough to fix this problem, as it only lifts nmbclusters to 1536 which was still not enough for me. So I have put the following line in my kernel config file as well as changing maxusers to 64: options NMBCLUSTERS=4096 You can check the current value by "sysctl kern.ipc.nmbclusters" but you can only change the value by changing the kernel config, building and installing a new kernel and rebooting. As for *why* it needed so many mbufs, I have no idea -- the box on the receiving end used less than 200, although it was writing the data direct to tape so that may have made a difference. But the box that was crashing was able to receive the data to disk from another non-FreeBSD box over NFS with no problems, which is why I was surprised when it crashed on sending it. I have no theories about this, and no time to follow it up right now. -- Greg Black -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 11 12: 7:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from beelzebubba.sysabend.org (beelzebubba.sysabend.org [209.201.74.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463A315601 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:07:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 506A341BA; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4CD649BB9; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:07:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Rick Aliwalas Cc: Amy Wennings , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE tape backup suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Rick Aliwalas wrote: :On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Amy Wennings wrote: : :> I know. SCSI is better. But I can't put a SCSI card in this machine. :> Who has an IDE tape drive they want to brag about? :) :> I need model recommendations. I want an 8 gig uncompressed or bigger. :> Are some tapes more reliable than others? QIC, DAT, Travan, ? :> Is tar realistic? I have about 30 gigs to backup, but only about 200 megs :> changes most months. :I'd use dump(8). If the 200 megs are in a single file system, :you could do a level 0 dump of the whole system say once a month. :In between, you could do incremental dumps of the single file system. :I don't have any experience w/ non-SCSI tape drives. The only tape drives I've seen that will do 30+ gigs native are DLT drives, and so far as I know, they are SCSI only. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 11 12:11:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6846915585 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:11:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA06992; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:09:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:09:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Jamie Bowden Cc: Rick Aliwalas , Amy Wennings , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE tape backup suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > :On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Amy Wennings wrote: > : > :> I know. SCSI is better. But I can't put a SCSI card in this machine. > :> Who has an IDE tape drive they want to brag about? :) > :> I need model recommendations. I want an 8 gig uncompressed or bigger. > :> Are some tapes more reliable than others? QIC, DAT, Travan, ? > :> Is tar realistic? I have about 30 gigs to backup, but only about 200 megs > :> changes most months. > > :I'd use dump(8). If the 200 megs are in a single file system, > :you could do a level 0 dump of the whole system say once a month. > :In between, you could do incremental dumps of the single file system. > :I don't have any experience w/ non-SCSI tape drives. > > The only tape drives I've seen that will do 30+ gigs native are DLT > drives, and so far as I know, they are SCSI only. Onstream are 30 GB plus. And there's an IDE version. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 11 12:13:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DFD15531 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:13:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA07005; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:13:16 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:13:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Jamie Bowden Cc: Rick Aliwalas , Amy Wennings , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE tape backup suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > : > > :> I know. SCSI is better. But I can't put a SCSI card in this machine. > > :> Who has an IDE tape drive they want to brag about? :) > > :> I need model recommendations. I want an 8 gig uncompressed or bigger. > > :> Are some tapes more reliable than others? QIC, DAT, Travan, ? > > :> Is tar realistic? I have about 30 gigs to backup, but only about 200 megs > > :> changes most months. > > > > :I'd use dump(8). If the 200 megs are in a single file system, > > :you could do a level 0 dump of the whole system say once a month. > > :In between, you could do incremental dumps of the single file system. > > :I don't have any experience w/ non-SCSI tape drives. > > > > The only tape drives I've seen that will do 30+ gigs native are DLT > > drives, and so far as I know, they are SCSI only. > > Onstream are 30 GB plus. And there's an IDE version. Let me qualify this- this is 30GB after compression. Newer drives will be higher density. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 11 12:15:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from tasam.com (tasam.com [206.161.83.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE236155FF for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:15:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd.list@bug.tasam.com) Received: from bug (216-164-231-95.s349.tnt7.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.231.95]) by tasam.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA18363; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005f01bee42d$bac29c50$0286860a@tasam.com> From: "Joe Gleason" To: , "Jamie Bowden" Cc: "Rick Aliwalas" , "Amy Wennings" , References: Subject: Re: IDE tape backup suggestions Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:14:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Onstream are 30 GB plus. And there's an IDE version. > Do Onstream devices work with FreeBSD? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 11 12:18:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3AF15616 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:17:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA07022; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:17:09 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:17:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Joe Gleason Cc: Jamie Bowden , Rick Aliwalas , Amy Wennings , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE tape backup suggestions In-Reply-To: <005f01bee42d$bac29c50$0286860a@tasam.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > Onstream are 30 GB plus. And there's an IDE version. > > > > Do Onstream devices work with FreeBSD? being worked on. me for scsi, sos for ide. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 11 15:46:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.az.home.com (ha1.rdc1.az.home.com [24.1.240.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFBB14BF2 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:46:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from elgreen@iname.com) Received: from ehome.local.net ([24.9.114.169]) by mail.rdc1.az.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990811224558.DIPA27077.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@ehome.local.net>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:45:58 -0700 From: Eric Lee Green Organization: Myself @ Home To: mjacob@feral.com Subject: Re: IDE tape backup suggestions Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:37:14 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99081115455601.05193@ehome.local.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > Onstream are 30 GB plus. And there's an IDE version. Avoid the OnStream for the moment. I have a half dozen here and they will not work, believe me. They are so cheap because they omit a lot of the hardware that generates tape blocks and block checksums and etc., so the computer (software) side has to generate that stuff as part of the actual data stream. Sort of like the old floppy-controller based tape drives. I don't know if I'm allowed to say whether they're working on Linux drivers or not. If they are, presumably they'll be easy to port to FreeBSD. In the meantime, just repeat after me: "The BRU guys say wait on the OnStream" (Not that I'm officially speaking for the BRU guys, of course, I'm too low on the totem pole to make official statments :-). 'Nuff said. The Travan NS-20 tape drives do work just fine under Linux, I'd assume they would work just as well under FreeBSD but I've only tried the SCSI model under FreeBSD. Can't attest as to how the IDE version may or may not work. -- Eric (not speaking for the BRU guys!) -- Eric Lee Green http://members.tripod.com/e_l_green mail: e_l_green@hotmail.com ^^^^^^^ Burdening Microsoft with SPAM! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 11 15:53:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.az.home.com (ha1.rdc1.az.home.com [24.1.240.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1F915580 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:53:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from elgreen@iname.com) Received: from ehome.local.net ([24.9.114.169]) by mail.rdc1.az.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990811225328.DJXW27077.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@ehome.local.net>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:53:28 -0700 From: Eric Lee Green Organization: Myself @ Home To: mjacob@feral.com Subject: Re: IDE tape backup suggestions Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:47:06 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99081115532802.05193@ehome.local.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > Onstream are 30 GB plus. And there's an IDE version. > > > > Do Onstream devices work with FreeBSD? > > being worked on. me for scsi, sos for ide. Great! I knew that Linux drivers were forthcoming, but didn't know about the FreeBSD efforts! It sounds like you have it well in hand, but if there's anything we can do for you, feel free to drop me a line at eric@estinc.com and I'll forward it to someone who actually knows something about tape drive hardware (grin) (I'm the networking and systems guru here, tape drives are not my thing). -- Eric (Not speaking for the BRU guys!) -- Eric Lee Green http://members.tripod.com/e_l_green mail: e_l_green@hotmail.com ^^^^^^^ Burdening Microsoft with SPAM! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 11 17:15:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from palrel3.hp.com (palrel3.hp.com [156.153.255.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0240F156DC for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:15:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darrylo@sr.hp.com) Received: from postal.sr.hp.com (root@postal.sr.hp.com [15.4.46.173]) by palrel3.hp.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id RAA13202; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mina.sr.hp.com (root@mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by postal.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id RAA03730; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (darrylo@mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by mina.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id RAA03317; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199908120014.RAA03317@mina.sr.hp.com> To: Eric Lee Green Cc: mjacob@feral.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE tape backup suggestions Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:37:14 PDT." <99081115455601.05193@ehome.local.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:14:44 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric Lee Green wrote: > Avoid the OnStream for the moment. I have a half dozen here and they will not > work, believe me. They are so cheap because they omit a lot of the hardware > that generates tape blocks and block checksums and etc., so the computer > (software) side has to generate that stuff as part of the actual data stream. > Sort of like the old floppy-controller based tape drives. Well, if the media and drive electronics/mechanics are reliable, the OnStream drives may not be all that bad. I've seen the developer's documentation, and it doesn't look really ugly. Different -- yes. Tedious -- yes. Ugly/awful/nasty -- not really. [ The task becomes even easier if you do what the Echo software appears to do -- ignore OnStream's ADR developer guidelines and use your own proprietary tape format. ] My concerns about the current OnStream drives would be: 1. Is it reliable (software/driver issues aside)? Will the drive be able to read a tape that's been sitting on a shelf for a couple of years? Are there any tape head issues -- do you need to clean the tape heads (which is a possible concern, as the documentation has no mention of head/drive cleaning)? What about dust in the drive? 2. Are the current drives the end of the line? OnStream has announced a "Unix-compatible" drive, although it is a bit expensive. Now, if OnStream produces only "Unix-compatible" drives, then the current product offerings become something like orphans. There's less incentive to develop and maintain drivers for such drives, not to mention possible problems if your current drive dies and you somehow need to find a replacement one. However, FreeBSD used to support the old floppy tape drives, and so there is a precedent. -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 11 18:56:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820A315562 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:56:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA08127; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:56:15 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:56:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Eric Lee Green Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IDE tape backup suggestions In-Reply-To: <99081115455601.05193@ehome.local.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > Onstream are 30 GB plus. And there's an IDE version. > > Avoid the OnStream for the moment. I have a half dozen here and they will not > work, believe me. They are so cheap because they omit a lot of the hardware > that generates tape blocks and block checksums and etc., so the computer > (software) side has to generate that stuff as part of the actual data stream. > Sort of like the old floppy-controller based tape drives. > > I don't know if I'm allowed to say whether they're working on Linux drivers or > not. If they are, presumably they'll be easy to port to FreeBSD. In the > meantime, just repeat after me: "The BRU guys say wait on the OnStream" (Not > that I'm officially speaking for the BRU guys, of course, I'm too low on the > totem pole to make official statments :-). 'Nuff said. > > The Travan NS-20 tape drives do work just fine under Linux, I'd assume they > would work just as well under FreeBSD but I've only tried the SCSI model under > FreeBSD. Can't attest as to how the IDE version may or may not work. > They don't work because the drivers aren't finished yet. And yes, they're very cheap so that you have to do things like filemarks and data defect management in the driver. But- not bad for a drive that's < 500$. A comparable drive is at least a DLT 7000- that's still 7K$, right? And then you start getting into the STK and high end IBM or Ampex drives- 25K$ and higher. If I were the tape drive divisions of these companies, I'd be sweating a bit now. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 11 18:56:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EDF14E5D for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:56:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA08135; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:56:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:56:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Eric Lee Green Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IDE tape backup suggestions In-Reply-To: <99081115532802.05193@ehome.local.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > Onstream are 30 GB plus. And there's an IDE version. > > > > > > Do Onstream devices work with FreeBSD? > > > > being worked on. me for scsi, sos for ide. > > Great! I knew that Linux drivers were forthcoming, but didn't know about the > FreeBSD efforts! > > It sounds like you have it well in hand, but if there's anything we can do for > you, feel free to drop me a line at eric@estinc.com and I'll forward it to > someone who actually knows something about tape drive hardware (grin) (I'm the > networking and systems guru here, tape drives are not my thing). > Testing assistance will be helpful. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 11 19: 9:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from dt011n65.san.rr.com (dt011n65.san.rr.com [204.210.13.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDDB1517C; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:09:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt011n65.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA73486; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:09:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <37B22CDA.6D0BC5FA@gorean.org> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:09:30 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0730 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Lee Green Cc: freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: More on receiver lockups References: <37ACA0E3.7064314B@gorean.org> <99080812061000.00360@ehome.local.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric Lee Green wrote: > > On Sat, 07 Aug 1999, Doug wrote: > > Eric Lee Green wrote: > > > > > Well, I cvsup'ed "stable" (just the kernel) > > > > I'm glad it worked for you this time, but I can't let this pass without a > > warning. It's a very bad idea to upgrade your source then build just the > > kernel. You should always make world first to avoid possible > > incompatabilities between the kernel and your userland programs. > > Hmm, is the kernel in "stable" going to change enough for this to be a big > deal? In general? No. If you are following the -stable mailing list you should be in good shape. However you have to balance the number of times such breakage is going to occur, and the concurrent inconvenience vs. the inconvenience of doing the make world (which is really small once you get into a rythm with it). Of course, it's your decision ultimately, I just didn't want any new users reading your post to get the idea that upgrading kernel without upgrading userland too was the "right" way to do it. Good luck, Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 11 21:11:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.az.home.com (ha1.rdc1.az.home.com [24.1.240.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA55114C15 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:11:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from elgreen@iname.com) Received: from ehome.local.net ([24.9.114.169]) by mail.rdc1.az.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990812041136.FLQU27077.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@ehome.local.net>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:11:36 -0700 From: Eric Lee Green Organization: Myself @ Home To: mjacob@feral.com Subject: Re: IDE tape backup suggestions Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:13:02 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99081121113304.05193@ehome.local.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, you wrote: > > On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > Onstream are 30 GB plus. And there's an IDE version. > They don't work because the drivers aren't finished yet. And yes, they're > very cheap so that you have to do things like filemarks and data defect > management in the driver. But- not bad for a drive that's < 500$. A > comparable drive is at least a DLT 7000- that's still 7K$, right? And then > you start getting into the STK and high end IBM or Ampex drives- 25K$ and > higher. If I were the tape drive divisions of these companies, I'd be > sweating a bit now. Actually, the nearest competitive drives that I can see are the AIT/DLT/Mammoth (around $2500), and perhaps closest of all, the Ecrix VXA. 33 megabytes per tape uncompressed, 3 megabytes per second, Hardware compression. Sweet. For $1295 MSRP. The Quantum 35/70 DLT's are still around $5K., and the Ecrix is almost as fast (I believe the 35/70 does 4 megabytes per second), while holding about the same amount of data, for a L OT less money... if anybody is sweating, it's Quantum. And there's other tape drives that I can't talk about (non-disclosure) that are coming down the stream, that will make Quantum sweat even more... there's one technology that looks rather promising indeed, in that the tapes will be very cheap and it will do 2 megabytes per second while holding 24 megabytes per tape, the one bad thing about Ecrix is that the tapes are a little pricey compared to, say, a DDS-3 tape (I can get DDS-3 tapes in bulk for $12 apiece). I don't think I need to tell you how outrageous DLT media is, even AIT is cheaper and AIT has a microchip on-board! So anyhow, the OnStream is rather slow compared to any of the above, and its reliability will probably be equivalent to that of other consumer-type drives, such as the TR-4 tape drives (i.e., nothing to write home about). OnStream isn't worrying the enterprise backup people, who figure that their speed and robustness will keep them in business. On the other hand, I want one for my personal backup when the driver is ready -- I'm sick of needing two or three TR-4 tapes to backup my computer here at home, and I can't afford an Ecrix! Not to mention that the OnStream may be twice as fast as my TR-4, meaning that much less time needed to back up... -- Eric Lee Green http://members.tripod.com/e_l_green mail: e_l_green@hotmail.com ^^^^^^^ Burdening Microsoft with SPAM! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 11 21:25:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.az.home.com (ha1.rdc1.az.home.com [24.1.240.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F7314E45 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:25:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from elgreen@iname.com) Received: from ehome.local.net ([24.9.114.169]) by mail.rdc1.az.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990812042530.FOCJ27077.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@ehome.local.net> for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:25:30 -0700 From: Eric Lee Green Organization: Myself @ Home To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Err, gigabytes, not megabytes :-) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:18:50 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: <99081121113304.05193@ehome.local.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99081121252805.05193@ehome.local.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Eric Lee Green wrote: > (around $2500), and perhaps closest of all, the Ecrix VXA. 33 megabytes per make that gigabytes (grin). The 35/70 Seagate AIT has been announced and goes for around $1800. Nice fast technology, media is a few bucks cheaper than DLT. If they can ship these in quantity, Quantum is really hurting. -- Eric Lee Green http://members.tripod.com/e_l_green mail: e_l_green@hotmail.com ^^^^^^^ Burdening Microsoft with SPAM! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 12 0:48:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from paert.tse-online.de (paert.tse-online.de [194.97.69.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0839414C4B for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:48:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ab@paert.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 20477 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Aug 1999 07:49:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:49:43 +0200 From: Andreas Braukmann To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE tape backup suggestions Message-ID: <19990812094943.I5904@paert.tse-online.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Matthew Jacob on Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 12:13:14PM -0700 Organization: TSE GmbH - Neue Medien Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org HI, On Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 12:13:14PM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > Onstream are 30 GB plus. And there's an IDE version. > > Let me qualify this- this is 30GB after compression. Newer drives will be > higher density. Don't forget the Tandberg SLR50 (former MLR-3), native capacity is 25 GB. ... it's SCSI, though. -Andreas -- : Anti-Spam Petition: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ : : PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key : : Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 12 6: 9:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from uswgne6.uswc.uswest.com (uswgne6.uswest.com [204.26.87.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7F01575B; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 06:09:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mmeola@ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com) Received: from egate-ut3.uswc.uswest.com (egate-ut3.uswc.uswest.com [148.157.122.201]) by uswgne6.uswc.uswest.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04416; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:12:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from smokey.uswc.uswest.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by egate-ut3.uswc.uswest.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09957; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:09:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com (ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com [151.116.151.207]) by smokey.uswc.uswest.com (8.6.11/uswc-hub.950320) with ESMTP id HAA11810; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:09:48 -0600 Received: from ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com (8.8.8+Sun/uswc-server.950313) with ESMTP id HAA06138; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:09:47 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.3 3/22/99 From: Matt Meola To: questions@FreeBSD.org Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Having both SCSI and IDE hard disks... X-URL: http://www.qsl.net/kc0dxw Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:09:47 -0600 Message-ID: <6136.934463387@ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If someone comes to you, and asks, "Hey, I've got a SCSI system, but EIDE drives are so cheap, that I'd like to buy one for more space on my machine. Will FreeBSD handle this?" Run away. Run _far_ away. Either that, or say, "Ni!" to him. I am traveling down this primrose path; or, perhaps more accurately, I am continually tripping at the trailhead. Two years ago, I built a SCSI system with a 2.1G IBM drive; 800M for Ebola95 and 1.2G for FreeBSD. Having little space on either partition, and seeing the prices of EIDE drives come down, I bought a Maxtor 17.2G. I've tried: o A 4G partition for Ebola95, with th rest for FreeBSD; o Dangerously dedicated FreeBSD on the whole EIDE drive; o FreeBSD consuming all of wd0, but not "dangerously dedicated". In each case, booteasy simply won't allow me to boot FreeBSD from wd0. I've got an Award BIOS, which allows me to boot from the SCSI drive first; a real life-saver. If I do that, then I get an "F5 drive 2" prompt, along with the normal "F1 Dos" and "F2 FreeBSD" prompts. With dangerously dedicated mode, if I hit F5, I'll get "F1 FreeBSD" and "F5 drive 1"; F1 does nothing (actually, the menu comes up again). With an MBR on wd0, booteasy just beeps at me when I try to boot FreeBSD from that drive. My preference is not to have to reinstall Ebola95; toward that end, my ultimate goal would be to boot FreeBSD from wd0 and Ebola95 from da0. I am told, however, that Ebola must boot from the "first" disk; but that's OK, I can boot SCSI,C,A -- just as long as I can boot FreeBSD from wd0. Any insight would be much appreciated. An remember, if you're contemplating something like this -- "Ni!" -- Matt Meola Bailey, Colorado NRA Life Member Amateur Radio Operator - KC0DXW http://www.qsl.net/kc0dxw "Gun control means using two hands." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 12 6:27:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D82F14D18 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 06:27:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vev@michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 23689 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Aug 1999 13:27:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:27:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Vielhaber To: Matt Meola Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Having both SCSI and IDE hard disks... In-Reply-To: <6136.934463387@ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Matt Meola wrote: [snip] > I've tried: > o A 4G partition for Ebola95, with th rest for FreeBSD; > o Dangerously dedicated FreeBSD on the whole EIDE drive; > o FreeBSD consuming all of wd0, but not "dangerously dedicated". > > In each case, booteasy simply won't allow me to boot FreeBSD from wd0. > I've got an Award BIOS, which allows me to boot from the SCSI drive > first; a real life-saver. If I do that, then I get an "F5 drive 2" > prompt, along with the normal "F1 Dos" and "F2 FreeBSD" prompts. > > With dangerously dedicated mode, if I hit F5, I'll get "F1 FreeBSD" and > "F5 drive 1"; F1 does nothing (actually, the menu comes up again). > > With an MBR on wd0, booteasy just beeps at me when I try to boot > FreeBSD from that drive. Have you tried using osbsbeta.exe from the tools directory on disk one? Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include TEAM-OS2 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 12 7:18:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from uswgco3.uswc.uswest.com (uswgco3.uswest.com [209.54.108.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F7B1573B; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:18:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mmeola@ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com) Received: from egate-ut2.uswc.uswest.com (egate-ut2.uswc.uswest.com [148.157.122.199]) by uswgco3.uswc.uswest.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA07636; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:18:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smokey.uswc.uswest.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by egate-ut2.uswc.uswest.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13046; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:18:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com (ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com [151.116.151.207]) by smokey.uswc.uswest.com (8.6.11/uswc-hub.950320) with ESMTP id IAA12032; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:18:18 -0600 Received: from ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com (8.8.8+Sun/uswc-server.950313) with ESMTP id IAA06730; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:18:16 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.3 3/22/99 From: Matt Meola To: Vince Vielhaber Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Having both SCSI and IDE hard disks... In-Reply-To: References: X-URL: http://www.qsl.net/kc0dxw Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:18:16 -0600 Message-ID: <6728.934467496@ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Vince Vielhaber said: [ my own whining elided... ] > Have you tried using osbsbeta.exe from the tools directory on disk one? No... I have tried OS-BS v1.35, though... No joy. -- Matt Meola Bailey, Colorado NRA Life Member Amateur Radio Operator - KC0DXW http://www.qsl.net/kc0dxw "Gun control means using two hands." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 12 7:23:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2102914D58 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:23:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vev@michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 23803 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Aug 1999 14:23:13 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:23:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Vielhaber To: Matt Meola Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Having both SCSI and IDE hard disks... In-Reply-To: <6728.934467496@ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Matt Meola wrote: > On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Vince Vielhaber said: > > [ my own whining elided... ] > > > Have you tried using osbsbeta.exe from the tools directory on disk one? > > No... I have tried OS-BS v1.35, though... No joy. 135 doesn't support multiple disks AFAIK, I've used the beta for that and it worked. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include TEAM-OS2 Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 12 7:24: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from gw-nl3.philips.com (gw-nl3.philips.com [192.68.44.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E36A157B6 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:23:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from R.Schofield@pbc.be.philips.com) Received: from smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (localhost.philips.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl3.philips.com with ESMTP id QAA09888 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:23:34 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from R.Schofield@pbc.be.philips.com) Received: from smtprelay-eur1.philips.com(130.139.36.3) by gw-nl3.philips.com via mwrap (4.0a) id xma009885; Thu, 12 Aug 99 16:23:35 +0200 Received: from bcs11.pbc.be.philips.com (bcs11.bcs.cs.philips.com [130.139.40.111]) by smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (8.9.3/8.8.5-1.2.2m-19990317) with ESMTP id QAA07858 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:23:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from exchvs01.bcs.cs.philips.com (exchvs01.bcs.cs.philips.com [130.139.40.10]) by bcs11.pbc.be.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.2.1a-961023) with ESMTP id QAA01183 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:23:33 +0200 Received: by exchvs01.bcs.cs.philips.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:20:42 +0200 Message-ID: <29F16C82368FD111914F00805F858E4F02BD6D14@exchvs01.bcs.cs.philips.com> From: "Schofield, Robert " To: "'freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org'" Subject: PCMCIA/USB Cards Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:20:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone aware of a manufacturer doing a PCMCIA (16-bit) type 1 card for USB as a hub? I have seen a 32-bit (Cardbus) type 2 card, but I am stuck with 16 bit slots for now. Any info appreciated. Rob Schofield To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 12 7:43:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from uswgco3.uswc.uswest.com (uswgco3.uswest.com [209.54.108.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BAD157CA; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 07:43:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mmeola@ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com) Received: from egate-ne2.uswc.uswest.com (egate-ne2.uswc.uswest.com [151.117.64.200]) by uswgco3.uswc.uswest.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA15275; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:42:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smokey.uswc.uswest.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by egate-ne2.uswc.uswest.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02175; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:41:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com (ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com [151.116.151.207]) by smokey.uswc.uswest.com (8.6.11/uswc-hub.950320) with ESMTP id IAA12131; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:42:00 -0600 Received: from ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com (8.8.8+Sun/uswc-server.950313) with ESMTP id IAA06893; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:41:58 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.3 3/22/99 From: Matt Meola To: Vince Vielhaber Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Having both SCSI and IDE hard disks... In-Reply-To: References: X-URL: http://www.qsl.net/kc0dxw Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:41:58 -0600 Message-ID: <6891.934468918@ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Vince Vielhaber said: > On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Matt Meola wrote: > > > On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Vince Vielhaber said: > > > > [ my own whining elided... ] > > > > > Have you tried using osbsbeta.exe from the tools directory on disk one? > > > > No... I have tried OS-BS v1.35, though... No joy. > > 135 doesn't support multiple disks AFAIK, I've used the beta for that > and it worked. I didn't know that the beta supported multiple disks... I'll try that tonight! Thanks...! BTW, I just upgraded to a General-class license -- have we any other hams with whom we could form a net? :-) -- Matt Meola Bailey, Colorado NRA Life Member Amateur Radio Operator - KC0DXW http://www.qsl.net/kc0dxw "Gun control means using two hands." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 12 8: 2: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mrelay.jrc.it (mrelay.jrc.it [139.191.1.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E322157B0 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:02:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nick.hibma@jrc.it) Received: from elect8 (elect8.jrc.it [139.191.71.152]) by mrelay.jrc.it (LMC5692) with SMTP id RAA19143; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:01:15 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:01:14 +0200 (MET DST) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@elect8 Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: "Schofield, Robert " Cc: "'freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: PCMCIA/USB Cards In-Reply-To: <29F16C82368FD111914F00805F858E4F02BD6D14@exchvs01.bcs.cs.philips.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you find one, let me/us know: usb-bsd@egroups.com Nick On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Schofield, Robert wrote: > Anyone aware of a manufacturer doing a PCMCIA (16-bit) type 1 card for USB > as a hub? I have seen a 32-bit (Cardbus) type 2 card, but I am stuck with 16 > bit slots for now. > > Any info appreciated. > > Rob Schofield > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > -- ISIS/STA, T.P.270, Joint Research Centre, 21020 Ispra, Italy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 12 8:25: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from backdoor.macom.com (backdoor.macom.com [208.239.159.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DFC1157CE for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:25:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kinayman@macom.com) Received: by backdoor.macom.com id (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:25:12 -0400 Received: by backdoor.macom.com (Internal Mail Agent-1); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:25:12 -0400 Received: by backdoor.macom.com (Internal Mail Agent-0); Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:25:12 -0400 From: Noyan Kinayman X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:12:06 -0400 Subject: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="FreeBSD" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="FreeBSD" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990812152504.7DFC1157CE@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am planning to install the FreeBSD on my Dell Inspiron 7K laptop. I have searched the WEB a little bit but I couldn't find sufficient information about the FreeBSD on this particular machine. I would greatly appreciate if anyone forwards his/her experience on the intallation of FreeBSD to a Dell Inspiron 7K with a 15 inch display. Best regards, Noyan. +===============================+================================+ | Noyan Kinayman | EMAIL: kinayman@macom.com | | M/A-COM Division of AMP | noyan@ee.bilkent.edu.tr | | Corporate R&D Center | | | 100 Chelmsford St. | TEL: 978-656-2505 | | Lowell, MA 01853-3294 | FAX: 978-656-2777 | +===============================+================================+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 12 8:37:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from tahiti.oss.uswest.net (tahiti.oss.uswest.net [204.147.85.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E733E157DE for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:37:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pmckenna@uswest.net) Received: from uswest.net (otto.oss.uswest.net [204.147.85.81]) by tahiti.oss.uswest.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA84934; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:35:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from pmckenna@uswest.net) Message-ID: <37B2EA40.297BD2E6@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:37:36 -0500 From: Pete Mckenna X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Noyan Kinayman Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron References: <19990812152504.7DFC1157CE@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If it uses the ATI Rage LT video card it's not supported by Xfree86 yet. I have an Inspiron clone with a 14" screen that uses this card and was only able to get a $ Xserver running. However if anyone has gotten this to work I'd love to hear about it. Pete Noyan Kinayman wrote: > > Hello, > > I am planning to install the FreeBSD > on my Dell Inspiron 7K laptop. I have > searched the WEB a little bit but I couldn't > find sufficient information about the > FreeBSD on this particular machine. > > I would greatly appreciate if anyone > forwards his/her experience on the intallation > of FreeBSD to a Dell Inspiron 7K with > a 15 inch display. > > Best regards, > > Noyan. > > +===============================+================================+ > | Noyan Kinayman | EMAIL: kinayman@macom.com | > | M/A-COM Division of AMP | noyan@ee.bilkent.edu.tr | > | Corporate R&D Center | | > | 100 Chelmsford St. | TEL: 978-656-2505 | > | Lowell, MA 01853-3294 | FAX: 978-656-2777 | > +===============================+================================+ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 12 8:39: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from daedal.oneway.com (daedal.oneway.com [205.252.89.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81462157CE for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:38:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jay@oneway.com) Received: from localhost (jay@localhost) by daedal.oneway.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA03764; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:39:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jay@oneway.com) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:39:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Jay Kuri To: Noyan Kinayman Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron In-Reply-To: <19990812152504.7DFC1157CE@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have FreeBSD running on the Dell Inspiron I7k 15" display. It was an adventure, but it works fine. The ethernet card they send you does not work with FreeBSD. You will need to do a CDRom install, or get another pcmcia ethernet card that will work. If you choose to do a CD install, you will have to eject the CD right after you leave the kernel configuration screen. (For some reason, the install kernel has problems with the cd drive when booting) Once you see the blue install screen, you can put the CD back in and it will work fine. The current X server does not support the ATI Rage Mobility-P that the Dell Inspiron 7000 uses. But I have hacked up the X11R6.4 Mach64 server for use with this card. It seems to work fine. You can get the hacked-up binary at: http://oneway.com/jay/stuff/XF86_Mach64_FreeBSD-3.2.gz Or I can forward the patch, if you prefer. The patch will also install onto a X11R6.3 source tree. Good Luck, I love mine. Jay On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Noyan Kinayman wrote: > Hello, > > I am planning to install the FreeBSD > on my Dell Inspiron 7K laptop. I have > searched the WEB a little bit but I couldn't > find sufficient information about the > FreeBSD on this particular machine. > > I would greatly appreciate if anyone > forwards his/her experience on the intallation > of FreeBSD to a Dell Inspiron 7K with > a 15 inch display. > > Best regards, > > Noyan. > > +===============================+================================+ > | Noyan Kinayman | EMAIL: kinayman@macom.com | > | M/A-COM Division of AMP | noyan@ee.bilkent.edu.tr | > | Corporate R&D Center | | > | 100 Chelmsford St. | TEL: 978-656-2505 | > | Lowell, MA 01853-3294 | FAX: 978-656-2777 | > +===============================+================================+ > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - UNIX: because reboots are for hardware upgrades Jay Kuri jay@oneway.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 12 8:56:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DA5157E5; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:56:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbettle@criterion-group.com) Received: from criterion-group.com ([24.5.44.161]) by mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990812155606.WYDL7447.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@criterion-group.com>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:56:06 -0700 Message-ID: <37B2EF79.EC1B4DB0@criterion-group.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:59:53 -0700 From: Roy Bettle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vince Vielhaber Cc: Matt Meola , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Having both SCSI and IDE hard disks... References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------40E27519F90E32A93163B720" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------40E27519F90E32A93163B720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What make/model of drive is wd0? I don't know much in the way of *BSD-related fixes, but this sounds suspiciously like a hardware issue we ran into a couple of months ago with a Western Digital Caviar drive and an older (+/- 1 year-old) Award BIOS. Simply put, it refused to boot when jumpered as "Master" (it was the only IDE device on that controller). What we ultimately had to do was jumper it as "Only" and from then on it worked fine. Sorry if this was a wasted message; I'm coming into this thread a little late so I'm missing a bit of background on your issue. Hope this helps. RAB Vince Vielhaber wrote: > On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Matt Meola wrote: > > [snip] > > > I've tried: > > o A 4G partition for Ebola95, with th rest for FreeBSD; > > o Dangerously dedicated FreeBSD on the whole EIDE drive; > > o FreeBSD consuming all of wd0, but not "dangerously dedicated". > > > > In each case, booteasy simply won't allow me to boot FreeBSD from wd0. > > I've got an Award BIOS, which allows me to boot from the SCSI drive > > first; a real life-saver. If I do that, then I get an "F5 drive 2" > > prompt, along with the normal "F1 Dos" and "F2 FreeBSD" prompts. > > > > With dangerously dedicated mode, if I hit F5, I'll get "F1 FreeBSD" and > > "F5 drive 1"; F1 does nothing (actually, the menu comes up again). > > > > With an MBR on wd0, booteasy just beeps at me when I try to boot > > FreeBSD from that drive. > > Have you tried using osbsbeta.exe from the tools directory on disk one? > > Vince. > -- > ========================================================================== > Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null > # include TEAM-OS2 > Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com > Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com > ========================================================================== > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message --------------40E27519F90E32A93163B720 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="rbettle.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Roy Bettle Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rbettle.vcf" begin:vcard n:Bettle;Roy tel;work:(949) 452-1203 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.criterion-group.com org:Criterion Group, Inc. version:2.1 email;internet:rbettle@criterion-group.com title:President note:Businesses that depend on computers, depend on us. adr;quoted-printable:;;26895 Aliso Creek Road=0D=0ASuite B404;Aliso Viejo;CA;92656;USA fn:Bettle, Roy end:vcard --------------40E27519F90E32A93163B720-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 12 9:20: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from uswgco3.uswc.uswest.com (uswgco3.uswest.com [209.54.108.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60EA15040; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:20:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mmeola@ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com) Received: from egate-ne3.uswc.uswest.com (egate-ne3.uswc.uswest.com [151.117.64.202]) by uswgco3.uswc.uswest.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20700; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:19:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from smokey.uswc.uswest.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by egate-ne3.uswc.uswest.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07245; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:19:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com (ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com [151.116.151.207]) by smokey.uswc.uswest.com (8.6.11/uswc-hub.950320) with ESMTP id KAA12731; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:19:57 -0600 Received: from ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com (8.8.8+Sun/uswc-server.950313) with ESMTP id KAA07278; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:19:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.3 3/22/99 From: Matt Meola To: Roy Bettle Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Having both SCSI and IDE hard disks... In-Reply-To: <37B2EF79.EC1B4DB0@criterion-group.com> References: <37B2EF79.EC1B4DB0@criterion-group.com> X-URL: http://www.qsl.net/kc0dxw Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:19:54 -0600 Message-ID: <7276.934474794@ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:59:53 -0700 Roy Bettle said: > Simply put, it refused to boot when jumpered as "Master" (it was the only IDE > device on that controller). What we ultimately had to do was jumper it as > "Only" and from then on it worked fine. > > Sorry if this was a wasted message; I'm coming into this thread a little late > so I'm missing a bit of background on your issue. No, this isn't wasted at all! In point of fact, the drive is a Maxtor Diamondmax 17.2 Gig jumpered as master on IDE1... FreeBSD sysinstall sees this as wd0. As things stand right now, I've installed FreeBSD 3.2 from CD onto the thing as "dangerously dedicated" and have booteasy installed on da0 (my boot drive). I'd really prefer to share wd0 with an Ebola95 partition, and boot FreeBSD from wd0 and Ebola95 from da0. I know it can be done, I'm just not sure how... Tonight, I'll have to try the following: 1. Install OS-BS beta and see if it helps (I'll probably end up with this anyway, since it allows me to properly call Windows95 Ebola95 :)) 2. Jumper wd0 to be a slave, necessitating boot up from da0. This is an adequate solution, although optimal is for the BIOS to boot from "C,A,SCSI" -- otherwise, it's "SCSI,C,A". 3. Install Ebola95 into a dos partition on wd0, leaving my previously-installed applications on da0. I suppose that'll work; I just don't want to go through the hassle of having to install all my apps again on wd0. 4. Commit hari-kuri (sp?) with a butter knife. Any other suggestions (especially additions to #4 :-)) are welcome! -- Matt Meola Bailey, Colorado NRA Life Member Amateur Radio Operator - KC0DXW http://www.qsl.net/kc0dxw "Gun control means using two hands." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 12 11:48:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mailserv.wright.edu (mailserv.wright.edu [130.108.128.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485F614DB9 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:48:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from loree.3@wright.edu) Received: from wright.edu (ss180049.wright.edu) by mailserv.wright.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3101) with ESMTP id <0FGD0071F881ST@mailserv.wright.edu> for hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:46:22 -0400 From: Andrew Loree Subject: Re: Having both SCSI and IDE hard disks... To: Matt Meola , hardware@freebsd.org Message-id: <37B3167E.A408C861@wright.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <6136.934463387@ima2wk6.uswc.uswest.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > [SNIP, SNIP] Just a few things: * Win 95 doesn't support drives over 8 GB. Even if you only partition a small partition of a larger drive, you are going to run into to problems. Use 98 or NT 4.0 service pack 3 or 4. I assume that your bios is reading the drive settings properly (e.g. your bios supports extended int 13, and drives over 8 GB). * How are you trying to partition the drive? What software? IMHO, I have found that using NT's disk admin (4.0 sp 4) is the best way to deal with multiple os's. Andrew Loree CWIS Staff Wright State University To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 12 12:38:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mailserv.wright.edu (mailserv.wright.edu [130.108.128.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64E515023 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:38:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from loree.3@wright.edu) Received: from wright.edu (ss180049.wright.edu) by mailserv.wright.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3101) with ESMTP id <0FGD003MCAHPRK@mailserv.wright.edu> for hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:35:22 -0400 From: Andrew Loree Subject: Re: Having both SCSI and IDE hard disks... To: Gregory Benjamin , hardware@freebsd.org Message-id: <37B321FA.D506830A@wright.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <199908121935.MAA01955@carbon.laserlab.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry, I ment Win 95 pre-OSR 2 (Fat 32 support) Gregory Benjamin wrote: > > > Just a few things: > > * Win 95 doesn't support drives over 8 GB. Even if you only partition a > > Actually, it does. I have a machine running '95 and a 12GB disk in a > single "C:" partition. It is done using a FAT32X (X stands for extended) > partition. This is how the machine was supplied by HP. > > > Andrew Loree > > CWIS Staff > > Wright State University > > o------------------------------------------------------------------------o > | Gregory Benjamin Laserlab, Inc. o Laser photoplotting | > | gregb@laserlab.com 6790 Top Gun Street o CNC machining | > | Suite 9 o Chemical milling | > | San Diego, CA 92121 o Printed Circuit Fabrication | > | www.laserlab.com Tel: 858-646-7660 o Precision photomasks | > | ftp.laserlab.com Fax: 858-646-7667 o AutoCAD to Gerber conversion | > o------------------------------------------------------------------------o To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 12 17: 7:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from cs.rpi.edu (mumble.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563A014CCE for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:07:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maniattb@cs.rpi.edu) Received: from cs.rpi.edu (maniattb@dishwasher.cs.rpi.edu [128.213.8.31]) by cs.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA76798 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908130006.UAA76798@cs.rpi.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:06:14 -0400 From: Bill Maniatty Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello All: I am getting to the point was considering trying to put together a machine (which would have a 2 printers and a scanner) for use under FreeBSD Stable. I would like to get some feedback on the component selection, and its fitness for use (and do you think it will integrate well?). On a side note I am considering waiting for the Onstream ADR tape drives before purchasing a larger capacity backup device. Motherboard: Asus P2B-DS (with ultrwide SCSI) Processors: 2 Intel PIII 450 MHZ Disk: 2x9.1 GB SCSI 7200 RPM (Quantum Viking or Atlas? IBM?) SCSI Zip Drive RAM: 256 MB 100 PCI ECC RAM CD/ROM: Toshiba SCSI (32 or 40X) Scanner: Hewlett Packard ScanJet 6200cxi (SCSI interface) Printers: Epson Stylus 850 HP Laser 2100 Ethernet: 3Com 10/100 Monitor: Viewsonic 19 Inch PT795 Flat monitor Case: Inwin Q500 (Full tower + 300 watt power supply) Video Card: Matrox Millenium G200 (or G400 if the price is right) AGP Sound Card: Creative Labs Soundblaster PCI 512 Extra Parallel Port Card: who knows? (Accidentally omitted from bid) Keyboard: Normal PS-2 Keyboard Mouse: 3 Button Logitech Mouse (NOT an OEM mouse!) Speakers: ??? Don't know Thanks: Bill Maniatty To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 12 18:37:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sammy.tibco.com (sammy.tibco.com [192.216.111.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C193E14C86 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:36:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aram@tibco.com) Received: from osgood.tibco.com (osgood.tibco.com [160.101.240.42]) by sammy.tibco.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22681 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.tibco.com (venus.tibco.com [160.101.240.40]) by osgood.tibco.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13646 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tibco.com ([160.101.22.192]) by venus.tibco.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA5DDB; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:32:37 -0700 Message-ID: <37B376C6.29DB3DE8@tibco.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:37:10 -0700 From: "Aram Compeau" Organization: TIBCO X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Maniatty Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: References: <199908130006.UAA76798@cs.rpi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You can save youself some $$$ by buying Celerons and slockets (if they are PPGA Celerons). There's nothing special about a P-III-450. The Celeron's on-chip full clock cache will probably make things a bit faster/same for you even with its smaller amount (unless you plan on running one hell of an I-net server with it). With the money you save there, buy a different motherboard (Say the P2B-D), and get Ultra 2 wide SCSI. Then pick up some nice IBM LVD U2W SCSI drives (Say, the IBM 18LZX if cost is not an issue, 18ES if it is :-). You'll get a better boost from the U2W SCSI and the faster hard drives than the dual CPU under most circumstance, IMHO. Those IBM drives are very nice... Look at a Sony GDM-F400 monitor if you get the chance. The PT795 is a fine monitor, but check a Sony out, if possible. I can highly recommend the Lite-On FS020 case over an Inwin Q500. Only $143 at Cobra Computers (good mail-order company, too). Look under `Products->Cases and Power Supplies->Server Cases`. The model is FSP-020.... http://www.cobracomp.net/ Everything else looks ok, or I'm not sure about. Good luck! :-) -Aram Bill Maniatty wrote: > Hello All: > > I am getting to the point was considering trying to put together > a machine (which would have a 2 printers and a scanner) for use > under FreeBSD Stable. I would like to get some feedback on the > component selection, and its fitness for use (and do you think it > will integrate well?). On a side note I am considering waiting > for the Onstream ADR tape drives before purchasing a larger capacity > backup device. > > Motherboard: Asus P2B-DS (with ultrwide SCSI) > Processors: 2 Intel PIII 450 MHZ > Disk: 2x9.1 GB SCSI 7200 RPM (Quantum Viking or Atlas? IBM?) > SCSI Zip Drive > RAM: 256 MB 100 PCI ECC RAM > CD/ROM: Toshiba SCSI (32 or 40X) > Scanner: Hewlett Packard ScanJet 6200cxi (SCSI interface) > Printers: Epson Stylus 850 > HP Laser 2100 > Ethernet: 3Com 10/100 > Monitor: Viewsonic 19 Inch PT795 Flat monitor > Case: Inwin Q500 (Full tower + 300 watt power supply) > > Video Card: Matrox Millenium G200 (or G400 if the price is right) AGP > Sound Card: Creative Labs Soundblaster PCI 512 > Extra Parallel Port Card: who knows? > > (Accidentally omitted from bid) > Keyboard: Normal PS-2 Keyboard > Mouse: 3 Button Logitech Mouse (NOT an OEM mouse!) > Speakers: ??? Don't know > > Thanks: > > Bill Maniatty > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 12 21:31: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6806C14C3B for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:30:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (jack@localhost) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA41460; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:31:07 -0400 (EDT) From: jack To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Bill Maniatty Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <37B376C6.29DB3DE8@tibco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Aug 12 Aram Compeau wrote: > With the money you save there, buy a different motherboard (Say the > P2B-D), and get Ultra 2 wide SCSI. Then pick up some nice IBM LVD U2W > SCSI drives (Say, the IBM 18LZX if cost is not an issue, 18ES if it is > :-). You'll get a better boost from the U2W SCSI and the faster hard > drives than the dual CPU under most circumstance, IMHO. Those IBM drives > are very nice... Definitely IBM drives. > I can highly recommend the Lite-On FS020 case over an Inwin Q500. Only > $143 at Cobra Computers (good mail-order company, too). Look under > `Products->Cases and Power Supplies->Server Cases`. The model is > FSP-020.... > http://www.cobracomp.net/ Get the Inwin Q500-300 from the same place for $71.33 and get 3 more 5.24 and one more 3.5 drive bays than the Lite-On. The last four cases I've bought have been Inwin and I have yet to scratch or cut my hand in any of them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 13 13:12:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sammy.tibco.com (sammy.tibco.com [192.216.111.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C367914F13 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:12:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aram@tibco.com) Received: from osgood.tibco.com (osgood.tibco.com [160.101.240.42]) by sammy.tibco.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29027 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venus.tibco.com (venus.tibco.com [160.101.240.40]) by osgood.tibco.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12764 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tibco.com ([160.101.22.192]) by venus.tibco.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA3755; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:08:41 -0700 Message-ID: <37B47C59.3190F045@tibco.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:13:13 -0700 From: "Aram Compeau" Organization: TIBCO X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jack Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, Bill Maniatty Subject: Re: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hehe.. case wars. Well, I'm sure you'll be satisfied with either case. The differences basically come down to personal preference, I think. Cheers, Aram jack wrote: > On Aug 12 Aram Compeau wrote: > > > With the money you save there, buy a different motherboard (Say the > > P2B-D), and get Ultra 2 wide SCSI. Then pick up some nice IBM LVD U2W > > SCSI drives (Say, the IBM 18LZX if cost is not an issue, 18ES if it is > > :-). You'll get a better boost from the U2W SCSI and the faster hard > > drives than the dual CPU under most circumstance, IMHO. Those IBM drives > > are very nice... > > Definitely IBM drives. > > > I can highly recommend the Lite-On FS020 case over an Inwin Q500. Only > > $143 at Cobra Computers (good mail-order company, too). Look under > > `Products->Cases and Power Supplies->Server Cases`. The model is > > FSP-020.... > > http://www.cobracomp.net/ > > Get the Inwin Q500-300 from the same place for $71.33 and get 3 > more 5.24 and one more 3.5 drive bays than the Lite-On. > > The last four cases I've bought have been Inwin and I have yet to > scratch or cut my hand in any of them. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst > jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. > Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. > PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD > enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 13 16:20:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11CE14F7A for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:20:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA01744; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:14:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908132314.QAA01744@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Greg Black Cc: vaevictus@socket.net, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with a pair of 3c905b's In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Aug 1999 02:52:52 +1000." <19990811165252.8209.qmail@alice.gba.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:14:56 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > options NMBCLUSTERS=4096 > > You can check the current value by "sysctl kern.ipc.nmbclusters" > but you can only change the value by changing the kernel config, > building and installing a new kernel and rebooting. You can tune this at boot time on -stable and -current systems; check 'help set tunables' in the loader. -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 14 3:24:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from alice.gba.oz.au (gba-254.tmx.com.au [203.9.155.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DDAB314A14 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 03:24:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjb-freebsd@gba.oz.au) Received: (qmail 20310 invoked by uid 1001); 14 Aug 1999 16:01:33 +1000 Message-ID: <19990814060133.20309.qmail@alice.gba.oz.au> X-Posted-By: GBA-Post 1.03 20-Sep-1998 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5A91 6942 8CEA 9DAB B95B C249 1CE1 493B 2B5A CE30 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 16:01:33 +1000 From: Greg Black To: Mike Smith Cc: vaevictus@socket.net, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with a pair of 3c905b's References: <199908132314.QAA01744@dingo.cdrom.com> In-reply-to: <199908132314.QAA01744@dingo.cdrom.com> of Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:14:56 MST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith writes: > > options NMBCLUSTERS=4096 > > > > You can check the current value by "sysctl kern.ipc.nmbclusters" > > but you can only change the value by changing the kernel config, > > building and installing a new kernel and rebooting. > > You can tune this at boot time on -stable and -current systems; check > 'help set tunables' in the loader. I had originally written "you can't set it with sysctl -w" and probably should have left it at that. I never use boot time loader stuff because it's too easy to lose it, whereas things that you set in the kernel config tend to be reliable. -- Greg Black -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 14 7:42: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from reliam.teaser.fr (reliam.teaser.fr [194.51.80.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE8114A0B for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 07:42:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsouch@teaser.fr) Received: from teaser.fr (ppp1087-ft.teaser.fr [194.206.156.40]) by reliam.teaser.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31705; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 16:42:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from nsouch@localhost) by teaser.fr (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA00468; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:23:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nsouch) Message-ID: <19990814152340.02863@breizh.teaser.fr> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 15:23:40 +0200 From: Nicolas Souchu To: David Gilbert Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: smbus not quite right? References: <199907190324.XAA08403@strike.velocet.ca> <19990724180824.18086@breizh.teaser.fr> <14239.10592.948209.726743@trooper.velocet.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <14239.10592.948209.726743@trooper.velocet.ca>; from David Gilbert on Wed, Jul 28, 1999 at 12:01:36PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD breizh 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 28, 1999 at 12:01:36PM -0400, David Gilbert wrote: > >>>>>> "Nicolas" == Nicolas Souchu writes: > >Nicolas> On Sun, Jul 18, 1999 at 11:24:05PM -0400, dgilbert@velocet.ca >Nicolas> wrote: >>> I have a machine with a P5A motherboard, which probes as follows: >>> >>> pcf0: iicbus0: on >>> pcf0 addr 0xaa iicsmb0: on iicbus0 smbus0: >>> on iicsmb0 smb0: >> I/O> on smbus0 iic0: on iicbus0 >>> >>> Now... If I run mbmon in ISA mode, which opens /dev/io, it works. >>> If I run it in in smbus mode, which opens /dev/smb0, it fails. >>> Having read the documentation on /dev/io, I'd rather not have that >>> ability on a server... I would guess that it requires an insecure >>> level. > >Nicolas> Whats mbmon? You have actually a Philips PCF8584 connected to >Nicolas> your ISA bus? > >mbmon is a little application (inside a xmbmon tarball) that probes >this chipset for information. I don't actually know any details about >my chipset per se, but it would appear that I do have a pcf8584... Ok. /dev/smb0 is completly different than /dev/io. /dev/smb0 supports SMB protocol commands thanks to appropriate ioctls. /dev/io only supports low-level outb/inb operations. > >Dave. > >-- >============================================================================ >|David Gilbert, Velocet Communications. | Two things can only be | >|Mail: dgilbert@velocet.net | equal if and only if they | >|http://www.velocet.net/~dgilbert | are precisely opposite. | >=========================================================GLO================ > -- nsouch@teaser.fr / nsouch@freebsd.org FreeBSD - Turning PCs into workstations - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 14 8:56:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from cheddar.netmonger.net (cheddar.netmonger.net [209.54.21.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F65614FAF for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 08:56:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@cheddar.netmonger.net) Received: (from chris@localhost) by cheddar.netmonger.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05056; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 11:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990814115411.A7341@netmonger.net> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 11:54:11 -0400 From: Christopher Masto To: mjacob@feral.com, Eric Lee Green Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE tape backup suggestions Mail-Followup-To: mjacob@feral.com, Eric Lee Green , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG References: <99081115532802.05193@ehome.local.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Matthew Jacob on Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 06:56:56PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 06:56:56PM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > Onstream are 30 GB plus. And there's an IDE version. > > > > > > > > Do Onstream devices work with FreeBSD? > > > > > > being worked on. me for scsi, sos for ide. > > > > Great! I knew that Linux drivers were forthcoming, but didn't know about the > > FreeBSD efforts! > > > > It sounds like you have it well in hand, but if there's anything we can do for > > you, feel free to drop me a line at eric@estinc.com and I'll forward it to > > someone who actually knows something about tape drive hardware (grin) (I'm the > > networking and systems guru here, tape drives are not my thing). > > > > Testing assistance will be helpful. I have one of these (the IDE version) and have been volunteering to help (testing and otherwise) for months and months, and have gotten nothing but brushed off. I would advise anyone considering one of these drives NOT to buy it in anticipation of a forthcoming driver.. with comments like "OnStream has asked me not to release the documents", I have serious doubts that we will ever see anything. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong. -- Christopher Masto Senior Network Monkey NetMonger Communications chris@netmonger.net info@netmonger.net http://www.netmonger.net Free yourself, free your machine, free the daemon -- http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 14 10:19:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles547.castles.com [208.214.165.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9441548A for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 10:19:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07083; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 10:12:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199908141712.KAA07083@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Greg Black Cc: vaevictus@socket.net, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with a pair of 3c905b's In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 14 Aug 1999 16:01:33 +1000." <19990814060133.20309.qmail@alice.gba.oz.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 10:12:50 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Mike Smith writes: > > > > options NMBCLUSTERS=4096 > > > > > > You can check the current value by "sysctl kern.ipc.nmbclusters" > > > but you can only change the value by changing the kernel config, > > > building and installing a new kernel and rebooting. > > > > You can tune this at boot time on -stable and -current systems; check > > 'help set tunables' in the loader. > > I had originally written "you can't set it with sysctl -w" and > probably should have left it at that. I never use boot time > loader stuff because it's too easy to lose it, whereas things > that you set in the kernel config tend to be reliable. Stuff in /boot/loader.conf is just as reliable, providing you're not in the habit of randomly deleting files... -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 14 12:37:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034D715248 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:37:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA17022; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:36:11 -0700 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:36:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Christopher Masto Cc: Eric Lee Green , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IDE tape backup suggestions In-Reply-To: <19990814115411.A7341@netmonger.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > > On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > > Onstream are 30 GB plus. And there's an IDE version. > > > > > > > > > > Do Onstream devices work with FreeBSD? > > > > > > > > being worked on. me for scsi, sos for ide. > > > > > > Great! I knew that Linux drivers were forthcoming, but didn't know about the > > > FreeBSD efforts! > > > > > > It sounds like you have it well in hand, but if there's anything we can do for > > > you, feel free to drop me a line at eric@estinc.com and I'll forward it to > > > someone who actually knows something about tape drive hardware (grin) (I'm the > > > networking and systems guru here, tape drives are not my thing). > > > > > > > Testing assistance will be helpful. > > I have one of these (the IDE version) and have been volunteering to > help (testing and otherwise) for months and months, and have gotten > nothing but brushed off. I would advise anyone considering one of > these drives NOT to buy it in anticipation of a forthcoming > driver.. with comments like "OnStream has asked me not to release the > documents", I have serious doubts that we will ever see anything. > > Hopefully I'll be proven wrong. So do I. But thanks for offering to help and sorry if you've been what you consider 'brushed off'. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message