From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 7 2:34:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from j51.com (j51.com [209.94.121.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D28914DE4; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 02:34:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danielm@j51.com) Received: (from danielm@localhost) by j51.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id FAA13170; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 05:32:04 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Malament Message-Id: <199911071032.FAA13170@j51.com> Subject: various To: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 05:32:03 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a number of questions I've been building up... 1) I have a 2.2.8 box on which I've tried two nics: a generic NE2000-compatible PCI (ed1) and a 3com 3c509 ISA (ep0). For comparison, I transferred 600M of files to another machine on the network (the only other one up right now, in fact). It took half an hour with the PCI. (Average of 333 KB/s.) With the 3Com, I didn't let it finish because it was giving me transfer rates of 30K/sec!!! Anybody know why I'm getting such slow performance out of the 3com? Are all ISA nics this slow? For that matter, how much bandwidth can one expect a card to use in general? What prevents getting the full 10MB? Buffer delays? 2) Is there any particular difference in performance between an internal modem and an external, provided the serial port has a 16550A UART? 3) What's the current status of FreeBSD's USB support? 4) Does FreeBSD fully support 100MB Ethernet? As of what version? 5) Should I not have crossposted this? :) Thanks, Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 7 3: 5:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A512F14E08; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 03:05:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: from current1.whiste.com (current1.whistle.com [207.76.205.22]) by alpo.whistle.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA58669; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 03:05:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 03:05:47 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Daniel Malament Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: various In-Reply-To: <199911071032.FAA13170@j51.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 7 Nov 1999, Daniel Malament wrote: > I have a number of questions I've been building up... > > 1) I have a 2.2.8 box on which I've tried two nics: a generic > NE2000-compatible PCI (ed1) and a 3com 3c509 ISA (ep0). For comparison, I > transferred 600M of files to another machine on the network (the only > other one up right now, in fact). It took half an hour with the PCI. > (Average of 333 KB/s.) With the 3Com, I didn't let it finish because it > was giving me transfer rates of 30K/sec!!! Anybody know why I'm getting > such slow performance out of the 3com? Are all ISA nics this slow? For > that matter, how much bandwidth can one expect a card to use in general? > What prevents getting the full 10MB? Buffer delays? You should be able to get close to 10Mb/sec on an NE2000 if you have a pentium200 or more.. I suspect the card doing 30KB/sec is configured for the wrong interrupt.. (check systat -vmstat to se if it's generating any interrrupts) > > 2) Is there any particular difference in performance between an internal > modem and an external, provided the serial port has a 16550A UART? no > > 3) What's the current status of FreeBSD's USB support? various simple devices work (e.g keyboard, mouse.. more complicated devices are being 'improved'. > > 4) Does FreeBSD fully support 100MB Ethernet? As of what version? yes since about 2.1 > > 5) Should I not have crossposted this? :) > > Thanks, > Dan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 7 3:32: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from j51.com (j51.com [209.94.121.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D828F1504A; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 03:31:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danielm@j51.com) Received: (from danielm@localhost) by j51.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id GAA14700; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 06:29:04 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Malament Message-Id: <199911071129.GAA14700@j51.com> Subject: Re: various In-Reply-To: from Julian Elischer at "Nov 7, 1999 3: 5:47 am" To: julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 06:29:04 -0500 (EST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for the prompt reply. > > such slow performance out of the 3com? Are all ISA nics this slow? For > > that matter, how much bandwidth can one expect a card to use in general? > > What prevents getting the full 10MB? Buffer delays? > You should be able to get close to 10Mb/sec on an NE2000 if you have a > pentium200 or more.. Well, it's a P166.... I should clarify, btw: the cards were giving me 333 and 30 kilobytes/sec, whereas ethernet is of course measured in megabits. But - what determines the limits? Processor and buffer, like I said? Is there usually a difference in performance between ISA and PCI nics? > I suspect the card doing 30KB/sec is configured for the wrong interrupt.. > (check systat -vmstat to se if it's generating any interrrupts) It's generating them, all right. There is one odd thing, tho... I'm using ftp to do this, and there seems to be a pause after each file. I'm not sure what that pause is, and if it's being factored into the speed rating. I didn't perceive a pause with the faster nic, but then the transfers were also going faster. > > 3) What's the current status of FreeBSD's USB support? > various simple devices work (e.g keyboard, mouse.. more complicated > devices are being 'improved'. When was USB suport added to the system? And is it actually worth using? I don't see much reason for using USB for a keyboard, and I've also heard that USB is flaky in general... -Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 7 4:17: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20BBE14DA0; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 04:16:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.1b+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id NAA29450; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:16:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11kRQ8-0006fO-00; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:27:44 +0100 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:27:44 +0100 (CET) From: Adam Szilveszter To: Daniel Malament Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: various In-Reply-To: <199911071032.FAA13170@j51.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 7 Nov 1999, Daniel Malament wrote: > I have a number of questions I've been building up... > > 1) I have a 2.2.8 box on which I've tried two nics: a generic > NE2000-compatible PCI (ed1) and a 3com 3c509 ISA (ep0). For comparison, I > transferred 600M of files to another machine on the network (the only > other one up right now, in fact). It took half an hour with the PCI. > (Average of 333 KB/s.) With the 3Com, I didn't let it finish because it > was giving me transfer rates of 30K/sec!!! Anybody know why I'm getting > such slow performance out of the 3com? Are all ISA nics this slow? For > that matter, how much bandwidth can one expect a card to use in general? > What prevents getting the full 10MB? Buffer delays? > Hi Dan! To quote from the LINT file (this is 3.3-STABLE): "# Network interfaces: `cx', `ed', `el', `ep', `ie', `is', `le', `lnc' [snip] # ep: 3Com 3C509 (buggy)" This driver is slooooow, it is a known problem. I suggest sticking with the PCI nic for now. In general there is a difference between ISA and PCI but not this dramatic of course and it varies from location to location. I use a non-brand NE2000 PCI card as ed1 and I am content with it this far although we have a high-speed LAN Internet connection here so it should show if there were problems. Cheers! Szilveszter ADAM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Adam Szilveszter * JATE Szeged * email: sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu * * Homepage : none * alternate email: cc@flanker.itl.net.ua * * Finger sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu for PGP key. * * I prefer using the door instead of Windows(tm)... * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 7 9:33:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.netaxs.com (mail.netaxs.com [207.8.186.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58AB314BE4 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:33:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bleez@netaxs.com) Received: from dyn-7.blackbox-2.netaxs.com (dyn-7.blackbox-2.netaxs.com [207.106.60.7]) by mail.netaxs.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19558 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:33:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:33:00 -0500 (EST) From: Bryan Liesner Reply-To: Bryan Liesner To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Promise Ultra66 / second IDE channel Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm running 4.0 current cvsupped as of Nov 6. I'm having a problem getting an ATAPI CDROM (master) and HP Colorado 8G (slave) to probe using the second channel on a Promise Ultra66 card. During boot, it will set up my hard drives on the first channel, then it will hang for a few seconds, not finding the CDROM/Tape combo plugged into the secondary slot. I know support for the card is kind of new, and there is an improvement. Before Soren's Nov 6 changes, this configuration would cause a kernel panic. Any enlightenment would be welcome. Here's a few relevant dmesg lines: ata-pci0: irq 11 at device 5.0 on pci0 ata-pci0: Busmastering DMA supported ata2 at 0xeff0 irq 11 on ata-pci0 ata3 at 0xefa8 irq 11 on ata-pci0 ad0: ATA-4 disk at ata2 as master ad0: 8693MB (17803440 sectors), 17662 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad0: 16 secs/int, 31 depth queue, UDMA66 Creating DISK ad0 Creating DISK wd0 ad1: ATA-? disk at ata2 as slave ad1: 2441MB (4999680 sectors), 4960 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad1: 16 secs/int, 0 depth queue, DMA Creating DISK ad1 Creating DISK wd1 Mounting root from ufs:/dev/wd0s1a To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 7 10:41:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail-smtp.socket.net (mail-smtp.socket.net [216.106.1.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84EB214BFD for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:41:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vaevictus@socket.net) Received: from mail.socket.net (mail.socket.net [216.106.1.7]) by mail-smtp.socket.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA10337 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 02:47:54 -0600 Received: from nathanm.office.socket.net ([216.106.0.22]) by mail.socket.net ; Sun, 07 Nov 1999 12:41:15 -0600 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:40:55 -0600 (CST) From: Nathan Mahon X-Sender: vaevictus@nathanm.office.socket.net To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Mylex DAC960PG progress Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey... I heard about some beta support in the making for the DAC960PG's (i think). Any update on that? Vaevictus Asmadi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 7 11:42:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles527.castles.com [208.214.165.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 635DB14C87 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:42:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13421; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 11:33:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199911071933.LAA13421@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Nathan Mahon Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mylex DAC960PG progress In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 07 Nov 1999 12:40:55 CST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 11:33:57 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Hey... I heard about some beta support in the making for the DAC960PG's > (i think). Any update on that? Supported in -current, patches for -stable at http://www.freebsd.org/~msmith/mylex/mlx-stable.tar.gz -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 7 22:50:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9396B14BF5; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:50:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA22077; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 01:50:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 01:50:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Daniel Malament Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: various In-Reply-To: <199911071032.FAA13170@j51.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 7 Nov 1999, Daniel Malament wrote: > I have a number of questions I've been building up... > > 1) I have a 2.2.8 box on which I've tried two nics: a generic > NE2000-compatible PCI (ed1) and a 3com 3c509 ISA (ep0). For comparison, I > transferred 600M of files to another machine on the network (the only > other one up right now, in fact). It took half an hour with the PCI. > (Average of 333 KB/s.) With the 3Com, I didn't let it finish because it > was giving me transfer rates of 30K/sec!!! Anybody know why I'm getting > such slow performance out of the 3com? Are all ISA nics this slow? For > that matter, how much bandwidth can one expect a card to use in general? > What prevents getting the full 10MB? Buffer delays? Sounds like an interrupt problem. Verify that all interrupts on the box are accounted for and non-conflicting. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 7 23:38: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C9814A11; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 23:38:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA23205; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 02:37:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 02:37:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Adam Szilveszter Cc: Daniel Malament , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: various In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 7 Nov 1999, Adam Szilveszter wrote: > This driver is slooooow, it is a known problem. There are a few cases where the card and driver realize high latency but in general the performance isn't bad. I would suspect that misconfiguration accounts for a large number of problems. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Nov 8 8:58:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sonet.crimea.ua (OTC-sl3-FLY.CRIS.NET [212.110.136.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28C414C99; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:58:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phantom@scorpion.crimea.ua) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sonet.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id TAA03695; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:02:58 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from phantom@scorpion.crimea.ua) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by scorpion.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5+ssl+keepalive) id TAA15238; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:51:48 +0300 (MSK) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:51:48 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: handbook require major update Message-ID: <19991108195148.B15193@scorpion.crimea.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, I just looked over 12th chapter of the handbook (PC Hardware compatibility) and found that we _must_ update and add/extend all sub-chapters there. This chapter is mostly based on information submited at 1995. It's very sad! :-( Please, take a look over this chapter and feel free to submit any new sub-chapters, sections, paragraphs or fixes to existent ones as simple text or SGML patches to -doc maillist. Thanks you very much! -- /* Alexey Zelkin && phantom@cris.net */ /* Tavric National University && phantom@crimea.edu */ /* http://www.ccssu.crimea.ua/~phantom && phantom@FreeBSD.org */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Nov 8 15:37: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ns.skylink.it (ns.skylink.it [194.177.113.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E101510A; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:36:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hibma@skylink.it) Received: from heidi.plazza.it (va-146.skylink.it [194.185.55.146]) by ns.skylink.it (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14425; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:37:32 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heidi.plazza.it (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA00406; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:10:08 GMT X-No-Spam: Neither the receipients nor the senders email address(s) are to be used for Unsolicited (Commercial) Email without the explicit written consent of either party; as a per-message fee is incurred for inbound and outbound traffic to the originator. Posted-Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:10:08 GMT Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:10:07 +0100 (CET) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@heidi.plazza.it Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Daniel Malament Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: various In-Reply-To: <199911071032.FAA13170@j51.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > 3) What's the current status of FreeBSD's USB support? Mouse and keyboards are working fine. Printers are working as well (Epson USB printer interface, Belkin, Deskjet 740, and more) Iomega Zip drives are being worked on and should be better supported in a week or so. USB hubs are fully supported. Firmware download into EZ-USB based device is working as well. ActiveWire I/O board is working as well. Modems might be supported in a week or two after porting the NetBSD driver for it (3Com modems. Scanners are not supported yet. Support for Kodak 240/260 camera's is in the works See for more information: http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/usb/usb.pl Cheers, Nick -- e-Mail: hibma@skylink.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Nov 8 16:20:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from calliope1.fm.intel.com (calliope1.fm.intel.com [132.233.247.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8A51542C; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:20:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpokorny@pcocd2.intel.com) Received: from pcocd2.intel.com (pcocd2.intel.com [132.233.250.145]) by calliope1.fm.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.10 1999/10/20 18:19:05 spurcell Exp $) with ESMTP id QAA14321; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from eng.fm.intel.com (dpokorny-mobl.fm.intel.com [132.233.44.13]) by pcocd2.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1+p1/d: pcocd2.m4,v 1.4 1990/03/11 18:13:40 jcampbel Exp jcampbel $) with ESMTP id QAA20474; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:20:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <382768D6.3EEF16B3@eng.fm.intel.com> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:20:38 -0800 From: Douglas Pokorny Organization: Intel Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Daniel Malament , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: various References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Julian Elischer wrote: > > On Sun, 7 Nov 1999, Daniel Malament wrote: > > > I have a number of questions I've been building up... > > > > 1) I have a 2.2.8 box on which I've tried two nics: a generic > > NE2000-compatible PCI (ed1) and a 3com 3c509 ISA (ep0). For comparison, I > > transferred 600M of files to another machine on the network (the only > > other one up right now, in fact). It took half an hour with the PCI. > > (Average of 333 KB/s.) With the 3Com, I didn't let it finish because it > > was giving me transfer rates of 30K/sec!!! Anybody know why I'm getting > > such slow performance out of the 3com? Are all ISA nics this slow? For > > that matter, how much bandwidth can one expect a card to use in general? > > What prevents getting the full 10MB? Buffer delays? > > You should be able to get close to 10Mb/sec on an NE2000 if you have a > pentium200 or more.. > > I suspect the card doing 30KB/sec is configured for the wrong interrupt.. > (check systat -vmstat to se if it's generating any interrrupts) Daniel: I've found that with the 3c509 in particular, configuring it for IRQ9 will always cause this type of slowdown. (Even if there are no other conflictions) Any of the other IRQ's are a better choice. As a result, you may want to see if you're using this interrupt request line. In addition, this card has only 2Kb of buffer memory on it, compared to 16Kb on a NE2000. As a result, many operations (esp. NFS operations which try to send 8Kb of packets at once) will overflow the buffer an often require retransmits. -Douglas --- Douglas R. Pokorny, Systems Analyst, Intel Online Services Inc. I do not speak as a representative of Intel Online Services. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 10 2:15:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (news.IAE.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C451525B for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 02:15:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with IAEhv.nl id LAA10156 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:15:09 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bowtie.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16735 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:11:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Message-Id: <199911101011.LAA16735@bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: onStream? Reply-To: marc@bowtie.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:11:12 +0100 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I recently had a talk with someone working for onStream, and he got me all excited about their product, it appears that under Windows you can play dvd movies directly from tape if you manage to get them on the tape... He also told me that the drive has been developed by a group which used to work for Philips on the dcc project, and when that was cancelled they decided to use the technology they had developed for a tapedrive. However, it made me wonder about that status of the driver for it, even more so since a Linux driver has been released, so that should be able to serve as a reference. Regards, Marc. -- ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 10 6: 1:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57590153D7 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:01:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25067 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:01:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:01:28 +0100 (CET) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199911101401.PAA25067@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: onStream? Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marc van Kempen wrote in list.freebsd-hardware: > I recently had a talk with someone working for onStream, and he got me > all excited about their product, it appears that under Windows you can > play dvd movies directly from tape if you manage to get them on the tape... > > He also told me that the drive has been developed by a group which used > to work for Philips on the dcc project, and when that was cancelled they > decided to use the technology they had developed for a tapedrive. That's interesting. I've been told that onStream was started by a group of people whoch worked for Exabyte previously. > However, it made me wonder about that status of the driver for it, > even more so since a Linux driver has been released, so that should > be able to serve as a reference. There's work in progress in the FreeBSD camp (both for the IDE and the SCSI versions), but so far nothing is available yet. (As always, it'll be available when it's ready...) The OnStream "SCSI" interface seems to suck pretty much. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 10 8: 5:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (news.IAE.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA7514BF1 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:05:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with IAEhv.nl id RAA20377 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:05:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bowtie.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20250 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:00:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Message-Id: <199911101600.RAA20250@bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: onStream? In-reply-to: olli's message of Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:01:28 +0100. <199911101401.PAA25067@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:00:24 +0100 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Marc van Kempen wrote in list.freebsd-hardware: > > I recently had a talk with someone working for onStream, and he got me > > all excited about their product, it appears that under Windows you can > > play dvd movies directly from tape if you manage to get them on the tape... > > > > He also told me that the drive has been developed by a group which used > > to work for Philips on the dcc project, and when that was cancelled they > > decided to use the technology they had developed for a tapedrive. > > That's interesting. I've been told that onStream was started > by a group of people whoch worked for Exabyte previously. > It may be that they are also in there somewhere, but the Philips part is definitely present. > > However, it made me wonder about that status of the driver for it, > > even more so since a Linux driver has been released, so that should > > be able to serve as a reference. > > There's work in progress in the FreeBSD camp (both for the IDE > and the SCSI versions), but so far nothing is available yet. > (As always, it'll be available when it's ready...) I know, it just been almost two months since that last messages, so I'm just pinging again. Regards, Marc. -- ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 10 8:51:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C92921537C for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:51:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA13866 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:51:34 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:51:34 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: onStream? In-Reply-To: <199911101401.PAA25067@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Marc van Kempen wrote in list.freebsd-hardware: > > I recently had a talk with someone working for onStream, and he got me > > all excited about their product, it appears that under Windows you can > > play dvd movies directly from tape if you manage to get them on the tape... > > > > He also told me that the drive has been developed by a group which used > > to work for Philips on the dcc project, and when that was cancelled they > > decided to use the technology they had developed for a tapedrive. > > That's interesting. I've been told that onStream was started > by a group of people whoch worked for Exabyte previously. > > > However, it made me wonder about that status of the driver for it, > > even more so since a Linux driver has been released, so that should > > be able to serve as a reference. > > There's work in progress in the FreeBSD camp (both for the IDE > and the SCSI versions), but so far nothing is available yet. > (As always, it'll be available when it's ready...) > The OnStream "SCSI" interface seems to suck pretty much. Yes, it never came to much,. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 10 9: 0:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7AE8715158 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:00:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vev@michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 2069 invoked by uid 1001); 10 Nov 1999 17:00:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:00:19 -0500 (EST) From: Vince Vielhaber To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: onStream? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > > Marc van Kempen wrote in list.freebsd-hardware: > > > I recently had a talk with someone working for onStream, and he got me > > > all excited about their product, it appears that under Windows you can > > > play dvd movies directly from tape if you manage to get them on the tape... > > > > > > He also told me that the drive has been developed by a group which used > > > to work for Philips on the dcc project, and when that was cancelled they > > > decided to use the technology they had developed for a tapedrive. > > > > That's interesting. I've been told that onStream was started > > by a group of people whoch worked for Exabyte previously. Their website says they were spun off from Phillips. > > > However, it made me wonder about that status of the driver for it, > > > even more so since a Linux driver has been released, so that should > > > be able to serve as a reference. > > > > There's work in progress in the FreeBSD camp (both for the IDE > > and the SCSI versions), but so far nothing is available yet. > > (As always, it'll be available when it's ready...) > > The OnStream "SCSI" interface seems to suck pretty much. > > Yes, it never came to much,. Does that mean there's no further development on the OnStream SCSI driver or that it's just slowed way down? Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include Have you seen http://www.pop4.net? Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 10 10:33:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA5814E16 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:33:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA14330; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:33:30 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:33:30 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob To: Vince Vielhaber Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: onStream? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > > > There's work in progress in the FreeBSD camp (both for the IDE > > > and the SCSI versions), but so far nothing is available yet. > > > (As always, it'll be available when it's ready...) > > > The OnStream "SCSI" interface seems to suck pretty much. > > > > Yes, it never came to much,. > > Does that mean there's no further development on the OnStream SCSI driver > or that it's just slowed way down? Now on the bottom of my stack of priorities. Slowed way down as in 'glacial'. If I resume it at all, it will be after December. There are far more important things to take care of for FreeBSD than OnStream. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 10 10:39: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles553.castles.com [208.214.165.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6585C14C36 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:38:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA05178 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:30:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199911101830.KAA05178@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: onStream? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:33:30 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:30:01 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > > > > > There's work in progress in the FreeBSD camp (both for the IDE > > > > and the SCSI versions), but so far nothing is available yet. > > > > (As always, it'll be available when it's ready...) > > > > The OnStream "SCSI" interface seems to suck pretty much. > > > > > > Yes, it never came to much,. > > > > Does that mean there's no further development on the OnStream SCSI driver > > or that it's just slowed way down? > > Now on the bottom of my stack of priorities. Slowed way down as in > 'glacial'. If I resume it at all, it will be after December. There are far > more important things to take care of for FreeBSD than OnStream. If someone else seriously wants to take this on, we do have more sample hardware and documentation. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 10 10:42:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09A1152A5 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:42:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA14397; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:42:49 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:42:49 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: onStream? In-Reply-To: <199911101830.KAA05178@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org And I'll whimper and be glad to give them a unit and media I bought for it. On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There's work in progress in the FreeBSD camp (both for the IDE > > > > > and the SCSI versions), but so far nothing is available yet. > > > > > (As always, it'll be available when it's ready...) > > > > > The OnStream "SCSI" interface seems to suck pretty much. > > > > > > > > Yes, it never came to much,. > > > > > > Does that mean there's no further development on the OnStream SCSI driver > > > or that it's just slowed way down? > > > > Now on the bottom of my stack of priorities. Slowed way down as in > > 'glacial'. If I resume it at all, it will be after December. There are far > > more important things to take care of for FreeBSD than OnStream. > > If someone else seriously wants to take this on, we do have more sample > hardware and documentation. > > -- > \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith > \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org > \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 10 10:49:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.57.60.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 88C9014CBB for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:48:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vev@michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 2305 invoked by uid 1001); 10 Nov 1999 18:48:57 -0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:48:57 -0500 (EST) From: Vince Vielhaber To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: onStream? In-Reply-To: <199911101830.KAA05178@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > > > > > > There's work in progress in the FreeBSD camp (both for the IDE > > > > > and the SCSI versions), but so far nothing is available yet. > > > > > (As always, it'll be available when it's ready...) > > > > > The OnStream "SCSI" interface seems to suck pretty much. > > > > > > > > Yes, it never came to much,. > > > > > > Does that mean there's no further development on the OnStream SCSI driver > > > or that it's just slowed way down? > > > > Now on the bottom of my stack of priorities. Slowed way down as in > > 'glacial'. If I resume it at all, it will be after December. There are far > > more important things to take care of for FreeBSD than OnStream. > > If someone else seriously wants to take this on, we do have more sample > hardware and documentation. I'll seriously ponder this. I have the need and no desire to do business with Exabyte again. Vince. -- ========================================================================== Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com flame-mail: /dev/null # include Have you seen http://www.pop4.net? Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com ========================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 10 10:52:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A2E14CBB for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:52:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA14449; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:52:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:52:47 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Vince Vielhaber Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: onStream? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it never came to much,. > > > > > > > > Does that mean there's no further development on the OnStream SCSI driver > > > > or that it's just slowed way down? > > > > > > Now on the bottom of my stack of priorities. Slowed way down as in > > > 'glacial'. If I resume it at all, it will be after December. There are far > > > more important things to take care of for FreeBSD than OnStream. > > > > If someone else seriously wants to take this on, we do have more sample > > hardware and documentation. > > I'll seriously ponder this. I have the need and no desire to do business > with Exabyte again. It's not clear that OnStream is the answer here. I lost some of my interest in supporting OnStream when they weren't particularly interested in doing a changer. Not only is the amount of running around with this device grief, but for only 25-50GB? It's true that it's a cheap drive, but you know, therere are definitely other devices out there too. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 10 15:10:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from news.IAEhv.nl (news.IAE.nl [194.151.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4FC14E5B for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:10:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news.IAEhv.nl (8.9.1/8.9.1) with IAEhv.nl id AAA15382; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:10:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bowtie.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24666 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:06:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@bowtie.nl) Message-Id: <199911102306.AAA24666@bowtie.nl> To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: onStream? In-reply-to: mjacob's message of Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:52:47 -0800. Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:06:55 +0100 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message , Matthew Jacob writes: > >> > > > > >> > > > > Yes, it never came to much,. >> > > > >> > > > Does that mean there's no further development on the OnStream SCSI dri >ver >> > > > or that it's just slowed way down? >> > > >> > > Now on the bottom of my stack of priorities. Slowed way down as in >> > > 'glacial'. If I resume it at all, it will be after December. There are f >ar >> > > more important things to take care of for FreeBSD than OnStream. >> > >> > If someone else seriously wants to take this on, we do have more sample >> > hardware and documentation. >> >> I'll seriously ponder this. I have the need and no desire to do business >> with Exabyte again. > >It's not clear that OnStream is the answer here. I lost some of my >interest in supporting OnStream when they weren't particularly interested >in doing a changer. Not only is the amount of running around with this What do you mean by "doing a changer"? If you need anything, the guy I spoke to *may* be able to help. >device grief, but for only 25-50GB? It's true that it's a cheap drive, but >you know, therere are definitely other devices out there too. > They have 70GB in the picture and are working on bigger drives. The guy I spoke to also claimed that the drives are more reliable than dat. Regards, Marc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 10 15:15:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E35214EB4 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:15:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA15514; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:15:51 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:15:51 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Marc van Kempen Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: onStream? In-Reply-To: <199911102306.AAA24666@bowtie.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Yes, it never came to much,. > >> > > > > >> > > > Does that mean there's no further development on the OnStream SCSI dri > >ver > >> > > > or that it's just slowed way down? > >> > > > >> > > Now on the bottom of my stack of priorities. Slowed way down as in > >> > > 'glacial'. If I resume it at all, it will be after December. There are f > >ar > >> > > more important things to take care of for FreeBSD than OnStream. > >> > > >> > If someone else seriously wants to take this on, we do have more sample > >> > hardware and documentation. > >> > >> I'll seriously ponder this. I have the need and no desire to do business > >> with Exabyte again. > > > >It's not clear that OnStream is the answer here. I lost some of my > >interest in supporting OnStream when they weren't particularly interested > >in doing a changer. Not only is the amount of running around with this > > What do you mean by "doing a changer"? If you need anything, the guy I spoke > to *may* be able to help. They were not planning to put their drives into larger changers. This meant I could not interest NASA/Ames in picking up and pushing the work. > > >device grief, but for only 25-50GB? It's true that it's a cheap drive, but > >you know, therere are definitely other devices out there too. > > > They have 70GB in the picture and are working on bigger drives. > > The guy I spoke to also claimed that the drives are more reliable than > dat. I've heard mixed reports of reliability, and comparisons with DAT aren't on point. It should be comparisons with DLT and AIT. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 10 15:26:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [209.208.0.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B2EA14D48 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:26:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@mmrd.com) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id SAA06030; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:25:44 -0500 Received: from dave.ppi.com(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma006028; Wed Nov 10 18:25:23 1999 Message-Id: <4.2.2.19991110182427.00ae9270@192.2.2.24> X-Sender: dave@192.2.2.24 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:25:37 -0500 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "David W. Alderman" Subject: Re: onStream? In-Reply-To: <199911102306.AAA24666@bowtie.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:06 AM 11/11/1999 +0100, Marc van Kempen wrote: >The guy I spoke to also claimed that the drives are more reliable than >dat. Everything is more reliable than DAT :-) Dave Alderman - Democracy should not be capital intensive. Business: dave@mmrd.com Personal: dwa@atlantic.net -or- dwa@netcommander.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 10 16:53: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from longacre.demon.co.uk (longacre.demon.co.uk [158.152.156.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8D614E76 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:52:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from searle@longacre.demon.co.uk) Received: (from searle@localhost) by longacre.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA40211; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:52:20 GMT (envelope-from searle) Message-ID: <19991111005138.43321@longacre.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:51:38 +0000 From: Michael Searle To: mjacob@feral.com, Marc van Kempen Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: onStream? References: <199911102306.AAA24666@bowtie.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: ; from Matthew Jacob on Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 03:15:51PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 03:15:51PM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > >device grief, but for only 25-50GB? It's true that it's a cheap drive, but > > >you know, therere are definitely other devices out there too. > > > > > They have 70GB in the picture and are working on bigger drives. > > > > The guy I spoke to also claimed that the drives are more reliable than > > dat. > > I've heard mixed reports of reliability, and comparisons with DAT aren't > on point. It should be comparisons with DLT and AIT. > So DATs are unreliable. They also cost 3 times more than the OnStream. As to DLT, well I'm certainly not spending 1500ukp on a tape, however reliable it is. (although I've heard that they aren't very reliable either, just fast...) Is the OnStream more reliable than a Travan? Because that is the only drive of comparable price and capacity that I've seen. Michael. -- searle@longacre.demon.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 10 16:59:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD0514E7F for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:59:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA15843; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:59:17 -0800 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:59:17 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Michael Searle Cc: Marc van Kempen , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: onStream? In-Reply-To: <19991111005138.43321@longacre.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Michael Searle wrote: > On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 03:15:51PM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >device grief, but for only 25-50GB? It's true that it's a cheap drive, but > > > >you know, therere are definitely other devices out there too. > > > > > > > They have 70GB in the picture and are working on bigger drives. > > > > > > The guy I spoke to also claimed that the drives are more reliable than > > > dat. > > > > I've heard mixed reports of reliability, and comparisons with DAT aren't > > on point. It should be comparisons with DLT and AIT. > > > > So DATs are unreliable. They also cost 3 times more than the OnStream. As to > DLT, well I'm certainly not spending 1500ukp on a tape, however reliable it is. > (although I've heard that they aren't very reliable either, just fast...) > > Is the OnStream more reliable than a Travan? Because that is the only drive > of comparable price and capacity that I've seen. I can't confirm for myself. Given that the HP Travan SCSI clone works for FreeBSD now, I'd say it's more reliable than the OnStream. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 10 17:25:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from atlrel1.hp.com (atlrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F4114DA6 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:25:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darrylo@sr.hp.com) Received: from postal.sr.hp.com (postal.sr.hp.com [15.4.46.173]) by atlrel1.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF06F6E6 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mina.sr.hp.com (root@mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by postal.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id RAA16613; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:25:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (darrylo@mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by mina.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id RAA10387; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:25:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199911110125.RAA10387@mina.sr.hp.com> To: Michael Searle Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: onStream? Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:51:38 GMT." <19991111005138.43321@longacre.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:25:35 -0800 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Michael Searle wrote: > Is the OnStream more reliable than a Travan? Because that is the only drive > of comparable price and capacity that I've seen. At this point, the jury's still out. One "interesting" point is that there seems to be no cleaning cartridges (or foam Q-tips, etc.) for head cleaning. I suppose you might be able to use the usual foam pads w/pure alcohol (or other electronics-grade solvent), but I'd definitely ask OnStream about it first, as the alcohol/foam could conceivably damage the heads instead. As for the "70GB" drive, the estimated street price is US$999 -- quite a bit higher than the current drives. (High as it is, the price probably makes sense, given their competitor's comparable drives. It doesn't help those of us who want cheap hardware, though. ;-) I once thought about writing a userland driver for the SC30, but it's a lot of work if you follow OnStream's programming guidelines. It would be a lot easier to write a driver that didn't follow the guidelines, but you'd then run into possible future compatibility issues with newer drives. I got as far as reading data blocks off tape before stopping work (at US$40/tape, I wasn't brave enough to actually write to a tape, as I suspect that it is possible to trash a tape by writing bad data to just the right location). -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 11 5:45:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.az.home.com (ha1.rdc1.az.home.com [24.1.240.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419BD14D95 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 05:45:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from elgreen@iname.com) Received: from ehome.inhouse ([24.9.114.169]) by mail.rdc1.az.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19991111134547.OINS9546.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@ehome.inhouse>; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 05:45:47 -0800 From: Eric Lee Green Organization: Myself @ Home To: Marc van Kempen , mjacob@feral.com Subject: Re: onStream? Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 06:40:40 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199911102306.AAA24666@bowtie.nl> In-Reply-To: <199911102306.AAA24666@bowtie.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99111106460800.32323@ehome.inhouse> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Marc van Kempen wrote: > In message , Matthew > Jacob writes: > >It's not clear that OnStream is the answer here. I lost some of my > >interest in supporting OnStream when they weren't particularly interested > >in doing a changer. Not only is the amount of running around with this Excuse me, but if you need a changer, you need something a bit more, err, substantial than the OnStream. The OnStream is a QIC-type product intended for personal backup. Onstream Corp. isn't in the corporate backup market. > They have 70GB in the picture and are working on bigger drives. Yes, they have 70GB in the picture, though I can't talk about how it works (yet) :-). > The guy I spoke to also claimed that the drives are more reliable than > dat. I'm sorry, but while the OnStream is in all ways the penultimate of QIC technology, it will never have the reliability and speed of helical-scan technology. Besides, if you want reliability, see the Ecrix VXA. These guys demoed at one of the shows where they made a backup tape, stuck it in boiling water, dried it out -- and it restored! My only complaint with the Ecrix nowdays is the same as Matt's complaint about Onstream -- that they don't have a changer. DDS-4 changers, on the other hand, are either on the market or will be on the market soon, though I don't really trust DDS-4 technology all that much (they're trying to stick altogether too much stuff on one little 4mm DAT cartridge, darn it!). -Eric Lee Green eric@estinc.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 11 6:10:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.az.home.com (ha1.rdc1.az.home.com [24.1.240.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C4414D11 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 06:10:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from elgreen@iname.com) Received: from ehome.inhouse ([24.9.114.169]) by mail.rdc1.az.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19991111141042.ONAX9546.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@ehome.inhouse>; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 06:10:42 -0800 From: Eric Lee Green Organization: Myself @ Home To: Michael Searle , mjacob@feral.com, Marc van Kempen Subject: Re: onStream? Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 07:05:49 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199911102306.AAA24666@bowtie.nl> <19991111005138.43321@longacre.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19991111005138.43321@longacre.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99111107110301.32323@ehome.inhouse> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Michael Searle wrote: > So DATs are unreliable. They also cost 3 times more than the OnStream. And the tapes are half the cost. Depending upon how much data you back up, a DAT changer could very well be cheaper than the OnStream in a corporate backup environment with a decent tape rotation. > Is the OnStream more reliable than a Travan? Because that is the only drive > of comparable price and capacity that I've seen. INFINITELY so. We put tape drives to the torture test in the EST testing lab, and TR-5/NS20 drives are PATHETIC reliability-wise, approximately 30% of the tapes we wrote could not be read back :-(. The OnStream IDE under Linux, by contrast, has been 100% reliable in our testing (you can get those drivers, for Linux, at our FTP site at ftp.estinc.com ). It's a shame that it looks like I'll have to be booting down into Linux to back up my FreeBSD machine (since I am buying one of those OnStream drives for my own personal use here at home). Especially since FreeBSD device nodes don't back up right under Linux :-(. (Due to brain damage on the Linux side of things, BTW -- not enough space fin their device struct for the longer FreeBSD major/minor numbers). -- Eric Lee Green eric@estinc.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 11 11:51:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [209.208.0.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9140A14BF4 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:51:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@mmrd.com) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id OAA00206; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:49:17 -0500 Received: from dave.ppi.com(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma000204; Thu Nov 11 14:49:13 1999 Message-Id: <4.2.2.19991111144543.00ad2330@192.2.2.24> X-Sender: dave@192.2.2.24 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:49:31 -0500 To: Eric Lee Green From: "David W. Alderman" Subject: Re: onStream? Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <99111106460800.32323@ehome.inhouse> References: <199911102306.AAA24666@bowtie.nl> <199911102306.AAA24666@bowtie.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When you say "helical-scan" don't you mean 8mm? I have had nothing but trouble with DDS/DAT drives. I understand that some 8mm technologies are very reliable. Is the VXA based on 8mm, DDS or something new? They have been running the boiling-water gimmick in their ads, you know. :-) At 06:40 AM 11/11/1999 -0700, Eric Lee Green wrote: >I'm sorry, but while the OnStream is in all ways the penultimate of QIC >technology, it will never have the reliability and speed of helical-scan >technology. Dave Alderman - Democracy should not be capital intensive. Business: dave@mmrd.com Personal: dwa@atlantic.net -or- dwa@netcommander.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 11 13:39:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from pegasus.com (a24b31n66client147.hawaii.rr.com [24.31.66.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01EA014BDC for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:39:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard@pegasus.com) Received: (from richard@localhost) by pegasus.com (8.9.2/8.8.7) id LAA20954 for hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:38:51 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from richard) Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:38:51 -1000 (HST) From: Richard Foulk Message-Id: <199911112138.LAA20954@pegasus.com> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: test Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org test To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 11 14:45: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from merlin.emsvs.com.au (merlin.emsvs.com.au [203.39.13.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC5A14D06 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:44:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ahodges@ozemail.com.au) Received: from kanine (kanine.emsvs.com.au [10.0.3.3]) by merlin.emsvs.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA03437 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:14:57 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <01d401bf2c96$9943fef0$0303000a@kanine.emsvs.com.au> From: "Andrew Hodges" To: Subject: Dump and SDT9000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:16:31 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01D1_01BF2CE6.3A01A5F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01D1_01BF2CE6.3A01A5F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 I have recently purchased a Compaq 12/24GB DDS3 DAT Drive to replace my = old 2GB device. 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------=_NextPart_000_01D1_01BF2CE6.3A01A5F0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 11 15:20:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (border.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AAE14A1D for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:20:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <40349>; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:14:37 +1100 Content-return: prohibited Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:20:30 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Dump and SDT9000 In-reply-to: <01d401bf2c96$9943fef0$0303000a@kanine.emsvs.com.au> To: Andrew Hodges Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au Message-Id: <99Nov12.101437est.40349@border.alcanet.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <01d401bf2c96$9943fef0$0303000a@kanine.emsvs.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1999-Nov-12 09:46:31 +1100, Andrew Hodges wrote: >I have recently purchased a Compaq 12/24GB DDS3 DAT Drive If this is a TLZ10, then I use them here (with Digital Unix aka Compaq Tru64). >I think a re-badged Sony SDT 9000. I don't know, sorry. (DEC changed the INQUIRE strings and I haven't had a reason to pull any out yet). > Can anybody help me with the correct parameters for the >dump command for this drive ie buffer sizes etc? The I/O buffer sizes shouldn't matter too much. I use 64k. Unless you have a particular need for dump's tape-size calculations, I'd suggest using `-a' and let the drive complain when it's out of tape. (The calculations don't work when you have multiple backups on a tape or are compressing the data, in any case). One caveat: The DDS compression algorithm appears to perform very badly on compressed data - I found around 25% expansion - and doesn't seem to do a particularly good job on the sort of random text/binary data you're likely to find in a filesystem. I found I was much better off using gzip and running the drive in non-compressed (12GB) mode (assuming you've got the CPU horsepower to make this feasible). Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 12 7:21:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.free.fr (smtp2.free.fr [212.27.32.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6586214DFC; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:21:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nsouch@free.fr) Received: from free.fr ([213.228.23.183]) by smtp2.free.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA31815; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:21:07 +0100 Received: (from nsouch@localhost) by free.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12415; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:25:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nsouch) Message-ID: <19991112172526.36283@breizh.free.fr> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:25:26 +0100 From: Nicolas Souchu To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: BOISSEAU Jean-Philippe , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tekram DC 395 References: <3816B0BB.388315AB@sextant.thomson-csf.com> <199910280226.UAA12960@panzer.kdm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: <199910280226.UAA12960@panzer.kdm.org>; from Kenneth D. Merry on Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 08:26:49PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD breizh 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 08:26:49PM -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > >[ CCed to -scsi, as people there might be interested ] > >BOISSEAU Jean-Philippe wrote... >> Hi. >> I'd like to know if there is a work in progress for Tekram DC 395 SCSI >> card. > >Actually, Tekram has written a driver for the card. I don't know much >about the card or driver, but the driver is available at ftp.tekram.com. Nice. > >I have a slightly newer version (1.06, the version on the ftp site is 1.05) >that Erich Chen sent me in early September, but I haven't had a chance to >do much with it. Is yours -current ported? Nicholas -- nsouch@free.fr / nsouch@freebsd.org FreeBSD - Turning PCs into workstations - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 12 8:20:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from longacre.demon.co.uk (longacre.demon.co.uk [158.152.156.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8B4314F27 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:20:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from searle@longacre.demon.co.uk) Received: (from searle@localhost) by longacre.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31106; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:16:35 GMT (envelope-from searle) Message-ID: <19991112161515.48117@longacre.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:15:15 +0000 From: Michael Searle To: "David W. Alderman" , Eric Lee Green Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: onStream? References: <199911102306.AAA24666@bowtie.nl> <199911102306.AAA24666@bowtie.nl> <99111106460800.32323@ehome.inhouse> <4.2.2.19991111144543.00ad2330@192.2.2.24> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.19991111144543.00ad2330@192.2.2.24>; from David W. Alderman on Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 02:49:31PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 11, 1999 at 02:49:31PM -0500, David W. Alderman wrote: > When you say "helical-scan" don't you mean 8mm? I have had nothing but > trouble with DDS/DAT drives. I understand that some 8mm technologies are > very reliable. Is the VXA based on 8mm, DDS or something new? They have > been running the boiling-water gimmick in their ads, you know. :-) > I've looked up the Ecrix site and the drive looks very impressive - speed and reliability better than a DLT-4000 but at DAT price (for the drive, not the $80 tapes...). Is there anyone using this drive who can give me more information about it? Any problems with it? Does the 'variable speed' feature reduce the capacity of the tape? (as in floppy-tapes) How well does the compression work? (and does it pass through compressed files or bloat them like the DAT drive mentioned here? At the quoted 6MB/s, software compression would mean something cack like LZO on all but the fastest CPUs.) -- searle@longacre.demon.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 12 9:35:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A473D14E93; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:35:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA35878; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:35:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Message-Id: <199911121735.KAA35878@panzer.kdm.org> Subject: Re: Tekram DC 395 In-Reply-To: <19991112172526.36283@breizh.free.fr> from Nicolas Souchu at "Nov 12, 1999 05:25:26 pm" To: nsouch@free.fr (Nicolas Souchu) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:35:30 -0700 (MST) Cc: jean-philipe.boisseau@sextant.thomson-csf.com (BOISSEAU Jean-Philippe), freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Kenneth D. Merry" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nicolas Souchu wrote... > On Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 08:26:49PM -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > >I have a slightly newer version (1.06, the version on the ftp site is 1.05) > >that Erich Chen sent me in early September, but I haven't had a chance to > >do much with it. > > Is yours -current ported? Nope, just -stable. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 12 9:47:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from schooner.svjava.com (schooner.svjava.com [204.75.228.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69B014F56; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:47:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kozowski@svjava.com) Received: (from kozowski@localhost) by schooner.svjava.com (8.9.1a/svjava.com) id JAA17697; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:47:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:47:17 -0800 From: Eric Kozowski To: Randall Hopper Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bt848 w/ 3.3 Message-ID: <19991112094717.A17593@schooner.svjava.com> References: <19991101164348.G9313@schooner.svjava.com> <19991104223256.A29684@ipass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i In-Reply-To: <19991104223256.A29684@ipass.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 04, 1999 at 10:32:56PM -0500, Randall Hopper wrote: > Eric Kozowski: > | > |ok, now that i got the sound blaster working, i'm having trouble w/ a > |bt848 based video capture card from video logic. > | > |the problem is that every time i put the bt848 card in (it's pci) i get > |no video signal on my agp video card. take the bt848 back out and i get > |video signal from the agp video card to my monitor again. > | > |kinda tough to troubleshoot w/ no video out. i searched the freebsd > |archives and web site w/ no luck. anyone have any ideas? > > Strange. Don't know. You might try: > > - Check that you have all the IRQs and DMAs for your ISA cards allocated > to ISA in your BIOS > > - Change which PCI slot the bt848 is in > > - Pull your other cards except for these two > > - For a test, do you have another video card to try with the bt848? > > - Do you have another machine connected to this one (via > ethernet/slip/plip/etc.)? If so, build a kernel with bt848 support, > boot into FreeBSD with the bt848, and check your /var/run/dmesg.boot > for how its being detected > > - If not, you might try: build a kernel with bt848 support, install, make > sure it works with your video card, reboot, power-off, snap the bt848 > in, power on, boot into FreeBSD, let it get to the prompt, reboot, > power-off, yank the bt848, power-on, and see what your > /var/run/messages file has to say about the card and the driver's > detection of it. well, i tried all your suggestions, and none of them worked. i stripped down the machine to just the agp video (diamond fire gl 1000 pro) and the bt848 (videologic captivator) and the system won't boot. thanks for the suggestions, though. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 12 14:37:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from gw.nectar.com (gw.nectar.com [209.98.143.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78ED514D08 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:37:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nectar@nectar.com) Received: from bone.nectar.com (bone.nectar.com [10.0.0.105]) by gw.nectar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8021D2438F2; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:35:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from bone.nectar.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bone.nectar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9A71D7A; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:36:59 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: repl X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: mlist/freebsd/hardware X-PGP-RSAfprint: 00 F9 E6 A2 C5 4D 0A 76 26 8B 8B 57 73 D0 DE EE X-PGP-RSAkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-rsa.txt X-PGP-DSSfprint: AB2F 8D71 A4F4 467D 352E 8A41 5D79 22E4 71A2 8C73 X-PGP-DHfprint: 2D50 12E5 AB38 60BA AF4B 0778 7242 4460 1C32 F6B1 X-PGP-DH-DSSkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-dh-dss.txt From: Jacques Vidrine To: Michael Searle Cc: "David W. Alderman" , Eric Lee Green , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19991112161515.48117@longacre.demon.co.uk> References: <199911102306.AAA24666@bowtie.nl> <199911102306.AAA24666@bowtie.nl> <99111106460800.32323@ehome.inhouse> <4.2.2.19991111144543.00ad2330@192.2.2.24> <19991112161515.48117@longacre.demon.co.uk> Subject: Ericx VXA (Re: onStream?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:36:59 -0600 Message-Id: <19991112223659.5D9A71D7A@bone.nectar.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 12 November 1999 at 16:15, Michael Searle wrote: > I've looked up the Ecrix site and the drive looks very impressive - speed > and reliability better than a DLT-4000 but at DAT price (for the drive, not > the $80 tapes...). Is there anyone using this drive who can give me more > information about it? > Any problems with it? ``It works for me.'' I've had the VXA-1e for a bit over two weeks, and I've done 18 dumps and 4 full restores (all artificial ``make sure we can restore'' activities). Random access seems to work pretty well, too. > Does the 'variable speed' feature reduce the capacity of the tape? (as in > floppy-tapes) No, see the white paper on the web site. Oh, as a nice touch, they send all documentation and their web sites on CD with the drive. > How well does the compression work? (and does it pass through > compressed files or bloat them like the DAT drive mentioned here? At > the quoted 6MB/s, software compression would mean something cack like > LZO on all but the fastest > CPUs.) Beats me. I only have ~21 GB here to back up, so everything easily fits on one tape. Later, -- Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / nectar@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 12 14:42:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from front6m.grolier.fr (front6m.grolier.fr [195.36.216.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E148314D08; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:42:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from groudier@club-internet.fr) Received: from localhost (ppp-98-223.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.98.223]) by front6m.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id XAA09687; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:41:39 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 01:05:29 +0100 (MET) From: Gerard Roudier X-Sender: groudier@localhost To: Nicolas Souchu Cc: "Kenneth D. Merry" , BOISSEAU Jean-Philippe , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tekram DC 395 In-Reply-To: <19991112172526.36283@breizh.free.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Nicolas Souchu wrote: > On Wed, Oct 27, 1999 at 08:26:49PM -0600, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > > > >[ CCed to -scsi, as people there might be interested ] > > > >BOISSEAU Jean-Philippe wrote... > >> Hi. > >> I'd like to know if there is a work in progress for Tekram DC 395 SCSI > >> card. > > > >Actually, Tekram has written a driver for the card. I don't know much > >about the card or driver, but the driver is available at ftp.tekram.com. >=20 > Nice. May-be, but your fast CPU will have to deal with about 5 interrupts per actual IO instead of about 1 using a SCSI chip that has a hardware phase engine. Given the difference in price against the DC 390/F, I am not sure= =20 the DC 395 is an interesting SCSI controller for an O/S like FreeBSD that= =20 offers a state of the art SCSI access method. The DC-395 looks like hardware for clueless Win95 users to me. G=E9rard. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Nov 13 0:39: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from jason.argos.org (a13c051.neo.rr.com [204.210.212.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646FE14C13 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:39:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@argos.org) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by jason.argos.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA13778; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 03:37:23 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 03:37:23 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Nowlin To: Eric Lee Green Cc: Michael Searle , mjacob@feral.com, Marc van Kempen , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: onStream? In-Reply-To: <99111107110301.32323@ehome.inhouse> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Especially since FreeBSD device nodes don't back up right under Linux :-(. > (Due to brain damage on the Linux side of things, BTW -- not enough space fin > their device struct for the longer FreeBSD major/minor numbers). As part of my "FreeBSD-backs-up-to-Linux-over-the-network" script, it starts out by doing an "ls -l > /devicelist" before the actual backup starts... Not really pretty, but it does save the important (but not all) info about /dev... One of these days, I'll make it so that the backup script creates a shell script with a bunch of mknod's in it instead... An icky workaround, but it does the job I need.... mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message