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hi,
this might be a little bit off topic, but i hope someone here has 
already done something similar.

i'm tryin' to install freebsd on a raid set connected to a compaq
smart array 3200.
unfortunately this is plugged into an asus p3b-f and not into a compaq
machine, so the help i got from them was: nill.
thing is it seems i can't run the array configuration utility without the
compaq firmware and to use the runtime programm the driver has to
be installed.
however, to install the driver the array has to be configured...

maybee i'm missin' something in the handbook, but at the moment
i'm pretty stuck with this.

so any ideas are welcome, i just can't buy a proliant or a different
controller.

cheers, roland



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Hi,

I'm banging my head at moment with Compaq stuff.:|
(Even with a Proliant machine)

The only thing that I came across was downloadable utilities from their
site.

BTW I beleive that you have checked this, but is it supported by
FreeBSD?

/stefan

Haider Roland wrote:
> 
> hi,
> this might be a little bit off topic, but i hope someone here has
> already done something similar.
> 
> i'm tryin' to install freebsd on a raid set connected to a compaq
> smart array 3200.
> unfortunately this is plugged into an asus p3b-f and not into a compaq
> machine, so the help i got from them was: nill.
> thing is it seems i can't run the array configuration utility without the
> compaq firmware and to use the runtime programm the driver has to
> be installed.
> however, to install the driver the array has to be configured...
> 
> maybee i'm missin' something in the handbook, but at the moment
> i'm pretty stuck with this.
> 
> so any ideas are welcome, i just can't buy a proliant or a different
> controller.
> 
> cheers, roland
> 
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	I wouldn't expect any help from Compaq... although they do have several
FreeBSD Proliants setup for beta testing. I have a SmartArray 2DH card
running using the ida.c driver that comes with 3.3. Mark Dawson the
original writer of the driver helped me out with getting it setup. Does
the 3200 use the same driver?


Stefan Lindgren wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm banging my head at moment with Compaq stuff.:|
> (Even with a Proliant machine)
> 
> The only thing that I came across was downloadable utilities from their
> site.
> 
> BTW I beleive that you have checked this, but is it supported by
> FreeBSD?
> 
> /stefan
> 
> Haider Roland wrote:
> >
> > hi,
> > this might be a little bit off topic, but i hope someone here has
> > already done something similar.
> >
> > i'm tryin' to install freebsd on a raid set connected to a compaq
> > smart array 3200.
> > unfortunately this is plugged into an asus p3b-f and not into a compaq
> > machine, so the help i got from them was: nill.
> > thing is it seems i can't run the array configuration utility without the
> > compaq firmware and to use the runtime programm the driver has to
> > be installed.
> > however, to install the driver the array has to be configured...
> >
> > maybee i'm missin' something in the handbook, but at the moment
> > i'm pretty stuck with this.
> >
> > so any ideas are welcome, i just can't buy a proliant or a different
> > controller.


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> > this might be a little bit off topic, but i hope someone here has
> > already done something similar.
> > 
> > i'm tryin' to install freebsd on a raid set connected to a compaq
> > smart array 3200.
> > unfortunately this is plugged into an asus p3b-f and not into a compaq
> > machine, so the help i got from them was: nill.
> > thing is it seems i can't run the array configuration utility without the
> > compaq firmware and to use the runtime programm the driver has to
> > be installed.
> > however, to install the driver the array has to be configured...
> > 
> > maybee i'm missin' something in the handbook, but at the moment
> > i'm pretty stuck with this.

The Compaq controllers are "captive", ie. they can only be used in a 
Compaq system.

> > so any ideas are welcome, i just can't buy a proliant or a different
> > controller.

You have no choice - the controller just can't be used in any other 
system to the best of my knowledge.  If you want to install onto a raid 
array you'll need to pick up a Mylex or AMI controller and move to 
-current.

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From owner-freebsd-hardware  Tue Dec 14 14:41:19 1999
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Hello,

(apologies for the cross-posting, I'm not sure which is the best path to follow here)

We're trying to build a pair of 2.2.8 servers around Intel L440GX+ Mobos
w/ an integrated Adaptec AIC-7896 controller, and we've learned (ack!)
that 2.2.8 does not support U2W LVD SCSI natively.  It appears we need the
CAM drivers.  However, since this is a virgin install, we need a bootable
floppy that we can use to get the SCSI gear recognized for an install, or
some other way to install 2.2.8 from scratch.  If someone can schlep a
boot image this way that includes CAM support, or if there is a more sane
way, please advise.

We have some old 1542 cards around but they obviously can't juggle the U2W
LVD drives we've got in there, or we'd gen a kernel on that config to get
off the ground.  We also have a PCI 2940-U2W card we could yank from a
server for a few hours if necessary, but we'd prefer not to do that if at
all possible.

Thanks!
Brent Scott



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On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 17:41:09 -0500, Brent Scott wrote:
> (apologies for the cross-posting, I'm not sure which is the best path to follow here)
> 
> We're trying to build a pair of 2.2.8 servers around Intel L440GX+ Mobos
> w/ an integrated Adaptec AIC-7896 controller, and we've learned (ack!)
> that 2.2.8 does not support U2W LVD SCSI natively.  It appears we need the
> CAM drivers.  However, since this is a virgin install, we need a bootable
> floppy that we can use to get the SCSI gear recognized for an install, or
> some other way to install 2.2.8 from scratch.  If someone can schlep a
> boot image this way that includes CAM support, or if there is a more sane
> way, please advise.

There is a CAM-modified FreeBSD snapshot from around FreeBSD 2.2.7 here:

ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/development/cam

I'm not sure, however, that it supports the 7896.  It might.  There are
also diffs in that directory that you can apply against 2.2.x for CAM
support.  They'll probably need tweaking to work completely.

Keep in mind that that version of CAM is fairly old at this point (it is
mid-1998 vintage), and is missing a lot of bug-fixes that have gone into
the tree since then.

I would recommend against using a CAM-modified 2.2.x if you can get around
it at all.  It really would be much easier to just use a newer release.
FreeBSD 3.3 supports your hardware, although -stable has some important
bugfixes for the 7896/7 boards.  You can get a FreeBSD 3.3-stable snapshot
here:

ftp://current.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386

Those snapshots represent what will be (tomorrow, I think) FreeBSD 3.4.

> We have some old 1542 cards around but they obviously can't juggle the U2W
> LVD drives we've got in there, or we'd gen a kernel on that config to get
> off the ground.  We also have a PCI 2940-U2W card we could yank from a
> server for a few hours if necessary, but we'd prefer not to do that if at
> all possible.

Well, you can use LVD drives with 1542 controllers.  The LVD disks will
negotiate down to fast narrow SCSI.  Keep in mind that LVD disks don't have
terminators, so you will need external terminators for them.

The 2940U2W uses an Adaptec 7890, which is also only supported in CAM.  So
that won't help you any.

Ken
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On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Brent Scott wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> (apologies for the cross-posting, I'm not sure which is the best path to follow here)
> 
> We're trying to build a pair of 2.2.8 servers around Intel L440GX+ Mobos
> w/ an integrated Adaptec AIC-7896 controller, and we've learned (ack!)
> that 2.2.8 does not support U2W LVD SCSI natively.  It appears we need the

  Use 3.3 instead?

  2.2.8 is being mantained yet, but nothing new is being added, so don't
hold your breath for support.  

Tom



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> (apologies for the cross-posting, I'm not sure which is the best path to follow here)

-hardware

> We're trying to build a pair of 2.2.8 servers around Intel L440GX+ Mobos
> w/ an integrated Adaptec AIC-7896 controller, and we've learned (ack!)
> that 2.2.8 does not support U2W LVD SCSI natively.

Actually, that's not really correct; there's no system support required 
for U2W/LVD.  More accurately, there is little driver support for U2W/LVD 
adapters in 2.2.8.

> It appears we need the
> CAM drivers.  However, since this is a virgin install, we need a bootable
> floppy that we can use to get the SCSI gear recognized for an install, or
> some other way to install 2.2.8 from scratch.  If someone can schlep a
> boot image this way that includes CAM support, or if there is a more sane
> way, please advise.

Use FreeBSD 3.3.

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Thanks for the advice so far.  We're going to make the leap and jump for
3.3 (or the rumored 3.4 due any hour).  We've been tied to the 2.2.x tree
for a long time, so we were reluctant to move to the next era.  This looks
like the kind of situation that would warrant going for it.

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On Saturday, 11 December 1999 at 13:50:46 -0800, Richard Furda wrote:
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> 	Hello,
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> I have a QIC 40/80 clone floppy tape drive controller (running
> 3.3-stable) and wondering if anyone is working/thinking about porting the
> ft driver to 3.X/4.X branch. I understand the driver was "removed"
> in 2.2.8 due to incompatibility issues. I'd like to help out, thus give
> access to a machine with the QIC 40/80 floppy tape controller.

I think one of the reasons this driver died was due to severe
performance limitations and lack of love.  If you can get it to work
acceptably under -CURRENT, I'm sure we'll find a way of getting it
back into the tree.  But you may find better things to do with your
time.

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From owner-freebsd-hardware  Wed Dec 15  9:31:59 1999
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I need to build two new mail servers and am seeking feedback as to
recommended hardware, in particular, compatible motherboards.

As I see it I have two choices, Pentium III 500 and the new AMD Athelon, I
have always used AMD in the past but have had repeated problems with their
450 MHz K6 processors which I clocked down in order to gain stability.

Our (now) typical mail server uses AMD K6 300 - 400 CPUS, 256 MB RAM,
single SCSI LVD boot drive, Adaptec 2940U2W and is NFS mounted to our RAID
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What's the current sweet spot for intel systems?  I'm looking to spend
about $1500-$2000 on a screaming builder box and was wondering what
the current sweet spot in the hardware curve is??

Warner


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From owner-freebsd-hardware  Wed Dec 15 10:21:43 1999
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In message <199912151801.LAA61965@harmony.village.org>, Warner Losh writes:
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>What's the current sweet spot for intel systems?  I'm looking to spend
>about $1500-$2000 on a screaming builder box and was wondering what
>the current sweet spot in the hardware curve is??

Go for an Athlon and overclock it.  My 500MHz is a happy camper at
700MHz (The chip is marked 600MHz btw).

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From owner-freebsd-hardware  Wed Dec 15 10:28:34 1999
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On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

> In message <199912151801.LAA61965@harmony.village.org>, Warner Losh writes:
> >
> >What's the current sweet spot for intel systems?  I'm looking to spend
> >about $1500-$2000 on a screaming builder box and was wondering what
> >the current sweet spot in the hardware curve is??
> 
> Go for an Athlon and overclock it.  My 500MHz is a happy camper at
> 700MHz (The chip is marked 600MHz btw).

I just built an inexpensive multi-media system for my kids and found
that an equivilent Intel Pentium III system to be about $150.00 cheaper
than an Athlon.  The motherboards are more expensive and the vendors
at the computer fair were not pushing Athlon at all.   I wanted to
buy an Athlon but could not see paying a premium for it.

Jim Doherty

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speaking of prices, all my good sources for hw have blown away.  Can
anybody recommend a good supplier?

I've been mondo happy with my ASUS P2B-LS mobo at work with its "mere"
P3-450 and was wanting something similar for home use.

I was also considering their MP boxes as well and going a dual 500
route with the asus p2b-ds.  At the chip merchant's new site the cpu +
mobo would be $251*2+$454, or just unnder $1k.  Top it off with a
case, dvd drive, ibm ultrastar 18G scsi and 256M of memory and still
come in under $2k ($1958 if my math is good).

Warner



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I was wondering if the Latest ver. of FreeBSD or FBSD 4.0 will support =
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Adaptec makes an Ultra160 PCI-to-Ultra2 SCSI Host Adapter (AHA-3950U2).=20
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On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, EX-PRESSNET2 wrote:

> I was wondering if the Latest ver. of FreeBSD or FBSD 4.0 will support
> the Ultra160 SCSI Feature which delivers 160 Mbyte/sec transfer rates.

Maybe Gerard's sym driver already supports the NCR/LSI-Logic version.

I supposedly will get Qlogic 12160A cards in January- their Ultra3 support
should happen then.

> 
> Adaptec makes an Ultra160 PCI-to-Ultra2 SCSI Host Adapter (AHA-3950U2). 
> Is this card compatible with FBSD or will it be?

Justin will say.



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On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 14:19:25 -0800, EX-PRESSNET2 wrote:
> I was wondering if the Latest ver. of FreeBSD or FBSD 4.0 will support the Ultra160 SCSI Feature which delivers 160 Mbyte/sec transfer rates.
> 

You have to have hardware that supports it.  I don't think any of the
drivers in the tree support Ultra160 yet.  Justin is working on support for
the Adaptec driver, and Gerard Roudier is working on support for his
Symbios driver.  From Matt's message, it looks like he is working on support
for QLogic's Ultra160 boards.

As for whether FreeBSD 4.0 will have support for those boards, that
probably depends on when 4.0 is released.  My guess is that all three
(Symbios, Adaptec and Qlogic) will probably be supported, but there are no
guarantees of course.

> Adaptec makes an Ultra160 PCI-to-Ultra2 SCSI Host Adapter (AHA-3950U2). 
> Is this card compatible with FBSD or will it be?

The 3950U2 is not an Ultra160 board.  It is a dual channel Ultra2 board.
And yes, it does work with FreeBSD.  I've got one, in fact:

ahc0: <Adaptec 3950B Ultra2 SCSI adapter> irq 12 at device 10.0 on pci0
ahc0: aic7896/97 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs
ahc1: <Adaptec 3950B Ultra2 SCSI adapter> irq 12 at device 10.1 on pci0
ahc1: aic7896/97 Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs

Ken
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> 
> What's the current sweet spot for intel systems?  I'm looking to spend
> about $1500-$2000 on a screaming builder box and was wondering what
> the current sweet spot in the hardware curve is??

Probably an ABIT BP6 and two 400MHz celerons.

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From: Olaf Hoyer <Inferno@nightfire.de>
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At 12:31 15.12.99 -0500, you wrote:
>I need to build two new mail servers and am seeking feedback as to
>recommended hardware, in particular, compatible motherboards.
>
>As I see it I have two choices, Pentium III 500 and the new AMD Athelon, I
>have always used AMD in the past but have had repeated problems with their
>450 MHz K6 processors which I clocked down in order to gain stability.
>
>Our (now) typical mail server uses AMD K6 300 - 400 CPUS, 256 MB RAM,
>single SCSI LVD boot drive, Adaptec 2940U2W and is NFS mounted to our RAID
>arrays where mail is spooled/delivered.
Hi!

First question is: Does the mail server app/demon take advantage of dual
CPU config?
If so, you can therefore use cheaper CPUs and upgrade later easily...

OK, for a single CPU config I'd use nowadays an AMD Athlon with 600 MHZ
(most bang for buck), preferrably on the ASUS K7M, which is really cool.
There have been reports of AMD's new stepping of their chipset, question is
, when will it be available. (Fester, I think they call that board). Brings
a real performance gain.

RAM of course as much as possible, where I'd prefer standard PC 100/133
from a good manufacturer, such as micron, corsair etc...

The extended costs of RAMBUS will not bring a corresponding increase in
speed...

HDD subsystem: OK, here it is the question how many users with which volume
it shall serve, and inhowfar the mail server app takes advantage of the
memory as a cache, or do every mail has to be written (for security
purposes) directly to HDD?

If it has a low volume to handle, any good IDE drive (like IBM, or Quantum)
should do the job. Especially the answer times of IDE drives are a bit
better than that of SCSI.

(In -Chat there is curently a discussion raging which RAID/HDD subsystem is
best)

For medium stress, I'd take some good SCSI drives, like IBM DDRS/DRVS or
Quantum Atlas, and hook them up to a single controller, configured in a way
that swap goes to multiple drives. (If ya really crazy, take two SCSI
controllers to have more bandwidth)
Also the drives where mail data will be stored and the logging files will
reside, should be different.

For more stress, and data security, a RAID solution is recommended. Take a
look at -Chat, there they offer some IDE RAIDs, which also look pretty good.

For "standard and old-fashoined" RAIDs, one would take a good
SCSI-controller, hook up some 10000 rpm SCSI drives, and do a corresponding
config.

Ok, all other components are obvious: Good server casing, best with
redundant Power supply, metal HDD frames with cooling,  el cheapo Vid card
from a quality manufacturer (image is not important, but it mustn't fail)

You also should take a look at Tyan, they offer with the Thunder series
some excellent boards designated for small/medium servers.

They have the BX/GX chipsets, (up to 2 GB RAM), dual PIII capable, Adaptec
RAID capable controller (the 3940, I think,with additional card) onboard,
as well as lots of slots...
Others have a U2W onboard...=20
Have an old Tomcat myself, and I'm very content with the
mechanical/electrical stability of it, and with some details of the design.

Here in Germany the biggest costs about  US$ 800 (1500 DM)

Regards
Olaf Hoyer=20
------
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"There is no justice, there is just me", said the Reaper (Terry Pratchett)

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From owner-freebsd-hardware  Wed Dec 15 18:45: 3 1999
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From: Mikel <mikel@ocsny.com>
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I have a couple of AMD k6450's right now and all of them are pretty
stable...but it took some kernel tweaking to get them right...My first
attempt using a minimal conf...yeilded some pretty flaky results...finally
I beefed up my conf and thing are aok.

On a side note: I've two sister machines...both are dual pii400's (Asus
mlb's) one is 1/2 gb ram, the other is 390Mish...both have 10k rpm drives
and uw3 dual channel cntrlrs..alas for some readon we are only using one
channel right now..both also have 12/24 dds3 tapes..absolutely essential
in my book...When I started at this place they had two drive among
something like 20 srvrs...now we've scalled down and put a drive in almost
every srvr...believe me it took one crash for them to see that light...;)

both machines have 400-500 users...and are only pulling 3-7% of cpu cycles
max....added DNS (on both) and Apache on one...(still below 15% duty) The
Apache is a bit higher but only during pek hits..

hope that helps...

Cheers,
mikel

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Olaf Hoyer wrote:

> At 12:31 15.12.99 -0500, you wrote:
> >I need to build two new mail servers and am seeking feedback as to
> >recommended hardware, in particular, compatible motherboards.
> >
> >As I see it I have two choices, Pentium III 500 and the new AMD Athelon,=
 I
> >have always used AMD in the past but have had repeated problems with the=
ir
> >450 MHz K6 processors which I clocked down in order to gain stability.
> >
> >Our (now) typical mail server uses AMD K6 300 - 400 CPUS, 256 MB RAM,
> >single SCSI LVD boot drive, Adaptec 2940U2W and is NFS mounted to our RA=
ID
> >arrays where mail is spooled/delivered.
> Hi!
>=20
> First question is: Does the mail server app/demon take advantage of dual
> CPU config?
> If so, you can therefore use cheaper CPUs and upgrade later easily...
>=20
> OK, for a single CPU config I'd use nowadays an AMD Athlon with 600 MHZ
> (most bang for buck), preferrably on the ASUS K7M, which is really cool.
> There have been reports of AMD's new stepping of their chipset, question =
is
> , when will it be available. (Fester, I think they call that board). Brin=
gs
> a real performance gain.
>=20
> RAM of course as much as possible, where I'd prefer standard PC 100/133
> from a good manufacturer, such as micron, corsair etc...
>=20
> The extended costs of RAMBUS will not bring a corresponding increase in
> speed...
>=20
> HDD subsystem: OK, here it is the question how many users with which volu=
me
> it shall serve, and inhowfar the mail server app takes advantage of the
> memory as a cache, or do every mail has to be written (for security
> purposes) directly to HDD?
>=20
> If it has a low volume to handle, any good IDE drive (like IBM, or Quantu=
m)
> should do the job. Especially the answer times of IDE drives are a bit
> better than that of SCSI.
>=20
> (In -Chat there is curently a discussion raging which RAID/HDD subsystem =
is
> best)
>=20
> For medium stress, I'd take some good SCSI drives, like IBM DDRS/DRVS or
> Quantum Atlas, and hook them up to a single controller, configured in a w=
ay
> that swap goes to multiple drives. (If ya really crazy, take two SCSI
> controllers to have more bandwidth)
> Also the drives where mail data will be stored and the logging files will
> reside, should be different.
>=20
> For more stress, and data security, a RAID solution is recommended. Take =
a
> look at -Chat, there they offer some IDE RAIDs, which also look pretty go=
od.
>=20
> For "standard and old-fashoined" RAIDs, one would take a good
> SCSI-controller, hook up some 10000 rpm SCSI drives, and do a correspondi=
ng
> config.
>=20
> Ok, all other components are obvious: Good server casing, best with
> redundant Power supply, metal HDD frames with cooling,  el cheapo Vid car=
d
> from a quality manufacturer (image is not important, but it mustn't fail)
>=20
> You also should take a look at Tyan, they offer with the Thunder series
> some excellent boards designated for small/medium servers.
>=20
> They have the BX/GX chipsets, (up to 2 GB RAM), dual PIII capable, Adapte=
c
> RAID capable controller (the 3940, I think,with additional card) onboard,
> as well as lots of slots...
> Others have a U2W onboard...=20
> Have an old Tomcat myself, and I'm very content with the
> mechanical/electrical stability of it, and with some details of the desig=
n.
>=20
> Here in Germany the biggest costs about  US$ 800 (1500 DM)
>=20
> Regards
> Olaf Hoyer=20
> ------
> Olaf Hoyer   ICQ: 22838075       mailto: Olaf.Hoyer@nightfire.de
> home: www.nightfire.de (The home of the burning CPU)
>=20
> Death be my master, my soul and saviour... (The book of inferno, chapter =
II)
> "There is no justice, there is just me", said the Reaper (Terry Pratchett=
)
>=20
> Wer mit Ungeheuern k=E4mpft, mag zusehn,=20
> da=DF er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird.
> Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund=20
> auch in dich hinein.
> (Friedrich Nietzsche, Jenseits von Gut und B=F6se)
>=20
>=20
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Hello Mikel:

Care to describe your AMD systems and how you tweaked them?

Regards
Stephen
==================================================

Mikel wrote:

> I have a couple of AMD k6450's right now and all of them are pretty
> stable...but it took some kernel tweaking to get them right...My first
> attempt using a minimal conf...yeilded some pretty flaky results...finally
> I beefed up my conf and thing are aok.
>
> On a side note: I've two sister machines...both are dual pii400's (Asus
> mlb's) one is 1/2 gb ram, the other is 390Mish...both have 10k rpm drives
> and uw3 dual channel cntrlrs..alas for some readon we are only using one
> channel right now..both also have 12/24 dds3 tapes..absolutely essential
> in my book...When I started at this place they had two drive among
> something like 20 srvrs...now we've scalled down and put a drive in almost
> every srvr...believe me it took one crash for them to see that light...;)
>
> both machines have 400-500 users...and are only pulling 3-7% of cpu cycles
> max....added DNS (on both) and Apache on one...(still below 15% duty) The
> Apache is a bit higher but only during pek hits..
>
> hope that helps...
>
> Cheers,
> mikel
>
> On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Olaf Hoyer wrote:
>
> > At 12:31 15.12.99 -0500, you wrote:
> > >I need to build two new mail servers and am seeking feedback as to
> > >recommended hardware, in particular, compatible motherboards.
> > >
> > >As I see it I have two choices, Pentium III 500 and the new AMD Athelon, I
> > >have always used AMD in the past but have had repeated problems with their
> > >450 MHz K6 processors which I clocked down in order to gain stability.
> > >
> > >Our (now) typical mail server uses AMD K6 300 - 400 CPUS, 256 MB RAM,
> > >single SCSI LVD boot drive, Adaptec 2940U2W and is NFS mounted to our RAID
> > >arrays where mail is spooled/delivered.
> > Hi!
> >
> > First question is: Does the mail server app/demon take advantage of dual
> > CPU config?
> > If so, you can therefore use cheaper CPUs and upgrade later easily...
> >
> > OK, for a single CPU config I'd use nowadays an AMD Athlon with 600 MHZ
> > (most bang for buck), preferrably on the ASUS K7M, which is really cool.
> > There have been reports of AMD's new stepping of their chipset, question is
> > , when will it be available. (Fester, I think they call that board). Brings
> > a real performance gain.
> >
> > RAM of course as much as possible, where I'd prefer standard PC 100/133
> > from a good manufacturer, such as micron, corsair etc...
> >
> > The extended costs of RAMBUS will not bring a corresponding increase in
> > speed...
> >
> > HDD subsystem: OK, here it is the question how many users with which volume
> > it shall serve, and inhowfar the mail server app takes advantage of the
> > memory as a cache, or do every mail has to be written (for security
> > purposes) directly to HDD?
> >
> > If it has a low volume to handle, any good IDE drive (like IBM, or Quantum)
> > should do the job. Especially the answer times of IDE drives are a bit
> > better than that of SCSI.
> >
> > (In -Chat there is curently a discussion raging which RAID/HDD subsystem is
> > best)
> >
> > For medium stress, I'd take some good SCSI drives, like IBM DDRS/DRVS or
> > Quantum Atlas, and hook them up to a single controller, configured in a way
> > that swap goes to multiple drives. (If ya really crazy, take two SCSI
> > controllers to have more bandwidth)
> > Also the drives where mail data will be stored and the logging files will
> > reside, should be different.
> >
> > For more stress, and data security, a RAID solution is recommended. Take a
> > look at -Chat, there they offer some IDE RAIDs, which also look pretty good.
> >
> > For "standard and old-fashoined" RAIDs, one would take a good
> > SCSI-controller, hook up some 10000 rpm SCSI drives, and do a corresponding
> > config.
> >
> > Ok, all other components are obvious: Good server casing, best with
> > redundant Power supply, metal HDD frames with cooling,  el cheapo Vid card
> > from a quality manufacturer (image is not important, but it mustn't fail)
> >
> > You also should take a look at Tyan, they offer with the Thunder series
> > some excellent boards designated for small/medium servers.
> >
> > They have the BX/GX chipsets, (up to 2 GB RAM), dual PIII capable, Adaptec
> > RAID capable controller (the 3940, I think,with additional card) onboard,
> > as well as lots of slots...
> > Others have a U2W onboard...
> > Have an old Tomcat myself, and I'm very content with the
> > mechanical/electrical stability of it, and with some details of the design.
> >
> > Here in Germany the biggest costs about  US$ 800 (1500 DM)
> >
> > Regards
> > Olaf Hoyer
> > ------
> > Olaf Hoyer   ICQ: 22838075       mailto: Olaf.Hoyer@nightfire.de
> > home: www.nightfire.de (The home of the burning CPU)
> >
> > Death be my master, my soul and saviour... (The book of inferno, chapter II)
> > "There is no justice, there is just me", said the Reaper (Terry Pratchett)
> >
> > Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn,
> > daß er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird.
> > Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund
> > auch in dich hinein.
> > (Friedrich Nietzsche, Jenseits von Gut und Böse)
> >
> >
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I am looking at getting my hands on a couple of Dell PowerEdge 4300 servers.
In both of these boxes I must spec a hardware RAID controller.  I basically
have two choices.

First is a multi-channel controller that has the Adaptec 7897 chipset.  It
is a 4 channel controller.
http://support.dell.com/docs/storage/obsidian/specs.htm

The second is an American Megatrends based controller.  It is only 1
channel.
http://support.dell.com/docs/storage/perc2sc/specs.htm

I have read conflicting statements in the list archives about whether I can
make these puppies run.  Can I get either one of these to work without much
rigging?  If both can be used... which one is better/easier and more likely
to work well?

On a completely separate note...
anybody have opinions on the best high end video card for x-windows?
Thank you!



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>On a completely separate note...
>anybody have opinions on the best high end video card for x-windows?
>Thank you!
Hi!

For normal 2D/3D operation, you should have a look at the TNT2 cards, like
the Viper 770 or ELSA Erazor III series. Chap got a V770 running under
Linux with a 19" screen.
He had a SUSE 6.2 Linux, the card was already pre-set for X-Windows. There
he only needed to copy the 3D-files manually.

Other good solution is the G400 from Matrox. Real screamer, good picture
quality, and capable of 2 vid outs. Question is the X-Server support...
Have seen it only under Win95, and there it really rocked. But as all those
Linux ppl will work on it, there should be a solution soon.=20

For special apps like CAD you will want to look at special CAD boards or
similar...

Hands off from those Voodoo3 and GeForce cards... They draw much too much
power, thus overheating power regulators...

Regards
Olaf Hoyer
- - - - - - - -=20
Olaf Hoyer   ICQ: 22838075       mailto: Olaf.Hoyer@nightfire.de
home: www.nightfire.de (The home of the burning CPU)

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da=DF er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird.
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auch in dich hinein.
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On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Mike Smith wrote:

> > 
> > What's the current sweet spot for intel systems?  I'm looking to spend
> > about $1500-$2000 on a screaming builder box and was wondering what
> > the current sweet spot in the hardware curve is??
> 
> Probably an ABIT BP6 and two 400MHz celerons.
> 
I can second that.  I have that exact configuration (with a Tekram
DC-390F using the sym driver) and it works extremely well.  It's also
much cheaper than a dual PIII system and for normal home use and
building, it runs fine.  I even use it to play QuakeII/III with my
G400!

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I am looking at getting my hands on a couple of Dell PowerEdge 4300 servers.
In both of these boxes I must spec a hardware RAID controller.  I basically
have two choices.

First is a multi-channel controller that has the Adaptec 7897 chipset.  It
is a 4 channel controller.
http://support.dell.com/docs/storage/obsidian/specs.htm

The second is an American Megatrends based controller.  It is only 1
channel.
http://support.dell.com/docs/storage/perc2sc/specs.htm

I have read conflicting statements in the list archives about whether I can
make these puppies run.  Can I get either one of these to work without much
rigging?  If both can be used... which one is better/easier and more likely
to work well?

Thank you,
Aaron



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> I am looking at getting my hands on a couple of Dell PowerEdge 4300 servers.
> In both of these boxes I must spec a hardware RAID controller.  I basically
> have two choices.
> 
> First is a multi-channel controller that has the Adaptec 7897 chipset.  It
> is a 4 channel controller.
> http://support.dell.com/docs/storage/obsidian/specs.htm

This is an Adaptec aac-364 with a Dell label on it.  It's only supported 
under NT.

> The second is an American Megatrends based controller.  It is only 1
> channel.
> http://support.dell.com/docs/storage/perc2sc/specs.htm

This is an AMI MegaRAID 466.  We support this under the 4.x branch.

> I have read conflicting statements in the list archives about whether I can
> make these puppies run.  Can I get either one of these to work without much
> rigging?  If both can be used... which one is better/easier and more likely
> to work well?

If you want to use FreeBSD, you need the PERC 2/SC.  If you want to run 
3.x, you will either need a separate boot volume (eg. another SCSI disk 
or an IDE disk), or you'll need to wait a little while for boot/install 
support in the 3.x family.

FreeBSD 4.0 will install directly onto this controller, and if you're 
interested you can grab a snapshot and try it out.

> On a completely separate note...
> anybody have opinions on the best high end video card for x-windows?

Voodoo 3 or Matrox G400.

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From owner-freebsd-hardware  Thu Dec 16 16:54:19 1999
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Yeah the Dell rep was telling me that the Adaptec controller was an OEM
based on the 7897 chipset.  I am not going to be allowed to run 4.x on this
server.  I will be able to run 3.4 when it is on CD later this month.  Will
this help?  I also did not plan on booting from the RAID controller.  I had
planned on doing software mirroring on the SCSI boot drives and the RAID5 on
the hardware controller.  Will this allow me to use the Dell/Adaptec
controller at all?  I read in some FreeBSD documentation that the 7897
chipset was supported... but I guess not in a RAID controller?  Based upon
what you said I can at least use the AMI controller with 3.4 if I don't mind
booting off a different controller right?  I hate to drag this out but a lot
of money is involved (relatively) and I really only have one shot at this.
Thanks for your help thus far!

One more question.  Is there any vendor like Dell or SAG that is FreeBSD
friendly?

Aaron


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> I am looking at getting my hands on a couple of Dell PowerEdge 4300
servers.
> In both of these boxes I must spec a hardware RAID controller.  I
basically
> have two choices.
>
> First is a multi-channel controller that has the Adaptec 7897 chipset.  It
> is a 4 channel controller.
> http://support.dell.com/docs/storage/obsidian/specs.htm

This is an Adaptec aac-364 with a Dell label on it.  It's only supported
under NT.

> The second is an American Megatrends based controller.  It is only 1
> channel.
> http://support.dell.com/docs/storage/perc2sc/specs.htm

This is an AMI MegaRAID 466.  We support this under the 4.x branch.

> I have read conflicting statements in the list archives about whether I
can
> make these puppies run.  Can I get either one of these to work without
much
> rigging?  If both can be used... which one is better/easier and more
likely
> to work well?

If you want to use FreeBSD, you need the PERC 2/SC.  If you want to run
3.x, you will either need a separate boot volume (eg. another SCSI disk
or an IDE disk), or you'll need to wait a little while for boot/install
support in the 3.x family.

FreeBSD 4.0 will install directly onto this controller, and if you're
interested you can grab a snapshot and try it out.

> On a completely separate note...
> anybody have opinions on the best high end video card for x-windows?

Voodoo 3 or Matrox G400.

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> Yeah the Dell rep was telling me that the Adaptec controller was an OEM
> based on the 7897 chipset.

Er.  Well, saying the aac-364 is "based on the 7897 chipset" is a bit 
like saying my car is "based on Michelins".  Yes, it does use them, but 
it's really a complete computer system built around a StrongARM 110.

>  I am not going to be allowed to run 4.x on this
> server.  I will be able to run 3.4 when it is on CD later this month.  Will
> this help?  I also did not plan on booting from the RAID controller.  I had
> planned on doing software mirroring on the SCSI boot drives and the RAID5 on
> the hardware controller. 

Ok.  Note that you can't really "software mirror" the boot volume either, 
unless you're talking about something else I'm not aware of.

> Will this allow me to use the Dell/Adaptec
> controller at all?  I read in some FreeBSD documentation that the 7897
> chipset was supported... but I guess not in a RAID controller? 

The aic7897 is supported, yes.  The Adaptec aac-364 is not.

> Based upon
> what you said I can at least use the AMI controller with 3.4 if I don't mind
> booting off a different controller right?  I hate to drag this out but a lot
> of money is involved (relatively) and I really only have one shot at this.

Not a problem.  Yes, the AMI controller is perfectly viable with 3.4, and 
I've been getting quite a lot of good feedback on it so far.

> One more question.  Is there any vendor like Dell or SAG that is FreeBSD
> friendly?

This is always a difficult recommendation to make, simply because 
anything I say may be taken as endorsement and I don't want people to 
feel left out.  Having said that, I've never had cause to regret 
recommending both Telenet Systems (www.tesys.com) and ASA Computers 
(www.asacomputers.com).

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On 16 Dec 1999 14:53:39 -0500, in sentex.lists.freebsd.hardware you wrote:

>I am looking at getting my hands on a couple of Dell PowerEdge 4300 servers.
>In both of these boxes I must spec a hardware RAID controller.  I basically
>have two choices.
>
>First is a multi-channel controller that has the Adaptec 7897 chipset.  It
>is a 4 channel controller.
>http://support.dell.com/docs/storage/obsidian/specs.htm

There is no RAID support for this controller that I know of.

>The second is an American Megatrends based controller.  It is only 1
>channel.
>http://support.dell.com/docs/storage/perc2sc/specs.htm

Perhaps.  There is support for several of the MegaRAID cards.  Have a look
through the freebsd-current mailing list to see which ones are currently
under development.  I am using a 428, and it works quite well so far on
STABLE.

amrd0: <AMI MegaRAID> rev 0x03 int a irq 5 on pci0.9.0
amr0: firmware UF80 bios 1.61  16MB memory
amrd0: 2020MB (4136960 sectors) RAID 5 (optimal)

You can get the drivers from www.freebsd.org/~msmith/RAID


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Hello,

We are considering the Kryotech Super-G (AMD Athlon @ 1GHz) as a
number-crunching machine. Does anybody have any experiences with
Athlon-based Kryotech systems running FreeBSD?

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I have a Compaq 4500 which is EISA bus (no PCI) with a Smart 
RAID Array 2/E controller. From all my attempts and research 
I have come up with the followinq conclusions, perhaps all
incorrect. :)

- Any SCSI disks in the 4500 itself on the embedded controller
can't use the NCR driver (ncr0) as it appears to be a PCI driver 
and 3.3 refused to load it from visual config as device ncr0 is 
not found.

- According to an old post, I cannot load the OS directly onto 
the RAID array, that I must put the OS in a seperate disk and
use the array for extra storage. I also could not get a custom 
kernel to recognize it without hard-coding the EISA slot number
in ida.c as someone suggested and then the system hangs during 
the auto probe.

So am I barking up the wrong tree here or should I be
able to load the OS on either of these? If on the embedded
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This may seem like a silly question but...here goes...

I just bumped up one of my srvrs  in ram, and of course the swap space
is not larger than the new ram config...anyway, I am considering adding
another 18g of disk space...if I partition some swap on that drive
would I need to do anything to fBSD; or will automatically note the
change and take advantage of the new config?

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Thank your for your help thus far!

Mr. Smith, you said that I can't mirror the boot drive either.  How would
you go about securing the OS in a server such as the one I am looking at
purchasing?  It doesn't do me much good to have 10,000 worth of hot swap
drives and power supplies if my main OS is still residing on a single point
of failure... any thoughts?  What is the minimum I would have to have on
this boot drive?  I could put /usr and /var and /etc on the RAID array
correct?  Or do you mean I can't have the boot sector proper on the raid
array... meaning that a tiny slice of the OS for the boot partition is all I
need to be off of the array?  I have to make this system completely
redundant at least one time over and at this point the only hole seems to be
the lack of any ability to protect the main OS with mirroring via
hardware(controller) or software(FreeBSD vinum?).  Your thoughts and time
are greatly appreciated.

Aaron

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 7:36 PM
To: Aaron Sonntag
Cc: Mike Smith; FreeBSD-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: SCSI RAID controller support

> Yeah the Dell rep was telling me that the Adaptec controller was an OEM
> based on the 7897 chipset.

Er.  Well, saying the aac-364 is "based on the 7897 chipset" is a bit
like saying my car is "based on Michelins".  Yes, it does use them, but
it's really a complete computer system built around a StrongARM 110.

>  I am not going to be allowed to run 4.x on this
> server.  I will be able to run 3.4 when it is on CD later this month.
Will
> this help?  I also did not plan on booting from the RAID controller.  I
had
> planned on doing software mirroring on the SCSI boot drives and the RAID5
on
> the hardware controller.

Ok.  Note that you can't really "software mirror" the boot volume either,
unless you're talking about something else I'm not aware of.

> Will this allow me to use the Dell/Adaptec
> controller at all?  I read in some FreeBSD documentation that the 7897
> chipset was supported... but I guess not in a RAID controller?

The aic7897 is supported, yes.  The Adaptec aac-364 is not.

> Based upon
> what you said I can at least use the AMI controller with 3.4 if I don't
mind
> booting off a different controller right?  I hate to drag this out but a
lot
> of money is involved (relatively) and I really only have one shot at this.

Not a problem.  Yes, the AMI controller is perfectly viable with 3.4, and
I've been getting quite a lot of good feedback on it so far.

> One more question.  Is there any vendor like Dell or SAG that is FreeBSD
> friendly?

This is always a difficult recommendation to make, simply because
anything I say may be taken as endorsement and I don't want people to
feel left out.  Having said that, I've never had cause to regret
recommending both Telenet Systems (www.tesys.com) and ASA Computers
(www.asacomputers.com).

--
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(Actually this belongs to -questions.)

Mikel wrote in list.freebsd-hardware:
 > I just bumped up one of my srvrs  in ram, and of course the swap space
 > is not larger than the new ram config...anyway, I am considering adding
 > another 18g of disk space...if I partition some swap on that drive
 > would I need to do anything to fBSD; or will automatically note the
 > change and take advantage of the new config?

Just add the new swap partition to your /etc/fstab,
reboot, and everything works as expected.  Use the
"swapon" command to add the new swap space immediately
(if you don't want to reboot).  Use the "swapinfo"
command to verify that all of your swap partitions
are really in use.

Regards
   Oliver

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You are correct in that you only need enough on the non-RAID device to boot
the system.  The easiest option would be to just put all of / on the boot
device, maybe 10M-20M, total.  You could also likely wire together a system
where the kernel and some minimal subset exist on the boot device, with the
real root mounted over the boot root after the requisite drivers are in
place (I'm not sure if FreeBSD has any equivalent to the /boot partition,
which is specifically for this type of thing).

WARNING: there's a reason that the / partition is there!  A minimal /
should contain all (ALL) of the tools you need to repair the system (in
fact, it never hurts to try booting single user and seeing whether you know
how to get things done without /usr mounted).  For that reason, I would
recommend that instead of playing tricks to get a mirrorred /, you instead
manually mirror /, arrange things so that you can mount it read-only, and
then use standard mounting tricks to get the majority of your system up and
running.  If the normal boot / dies, boot from the backup boot /.

Or just punt and get a RAID controller you can boot from,
scott

----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Sonntag <aaron@sonntag.org>
To: Mike Smith <msmith@FreeBSD.ORG>; Aaron Sonntag <aaron@sonntag.org>
Cc: <FreeBSD-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: SCSI RAID controller support


> Thank your for your help thus far!
>
> Mr. Smith, you said that I can't mirror the boot drive either.  How would
> you go about securing the OS in a server such as the one I am looking at
> purchasing?  It doesn't do me much good to have 10,000 worth of hot swap
> drives and power supplies if my main OS is still residing on a single
point
> of failure... any thoughts?  What is the minimum I would have to have on
> this boot drive?  I could put /usr and /var and /etc on the RAID array
> correct?  Or do you mean I can't have the boot sector proper on the raid
> array... meaning that a tiny slice of the OS for the boot partition is
all I
> need to be off of the array?  I have to make this system completely
> redundant at least one time over and at this point the only hole seems to
be
> the lack of any ability to protect the main OS with mirroring via
> hardware(controller) or software(FreeBSD vinum?).  Your thoughts and time
> are greatly appreciated.
>
> Aaron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Mike Smith
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 7:36 PM
> To: Aaron Sonntag
> Cc: Mike Smith; FreeBSD-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: SCSI RAID controller support
>
> > Yeah the Dell rep was telling me that the Adaptec controller was an OEM
> > based on the 7897 chipset.
>
> Er.  Well, saying the aac-364 is "based on the 7897 chipset" is a bit
> like saying my car is "based on Michelins".  Yes, it does use them, but
> it's really a complete computer system built around a StrongARM 110.
>
> >  I am not going to be allowed to run 4.x on this
> > server.  I will be able to run 3.4 when it is on CD later this month.
> Will
> > this help?  I also did not plan on booting from the RAID controller.  I
> had
> > planned on doing software mirroring on the SCSI boot drives and the
RAID5
> on
> > the hardware controller.
>
> Ok.  Note that you can't really "software mirror" the boot volume either,
> unless you're talking about something else I'm not aware of.
>
> > Will this allow me to use the Dell/Adaptec
> > controller at all?  I read in some FreeBSD documentation that the 7897
> > chipset was supported... but I guess not in a RAID controller?
>
> The aic7897 is supported, yes.  The Adaptec aac-364 is not.
>
> > Based upon
> > what you said I can at least use the AMI controller with 3.4 if I don't
> mind
> > booting off a different controller right?  I hate to drag this out but
a
> lot
> > of money is involved (relatively) and I really only have one shot at
this.
>
> Not a problem.  Yes, the AMI controller is perfectly viable with 3.4, and
> I've been getting quite a lot of good feedback on it so far.
>
> > One more question.  Is there any vendor like Dell or SAG that is
FreeBSD
> > friendly?
>
> This is always a difficult recommendation to make, simply because
> anything I say may be taken as endorsement and I don't want people to
> feel left out.  Having said that, I've never had cause to regret
> recommending both Telenet Systems (www.tesys.com) and ASA Computers
> (www.asacomputers.com).
>
> --
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Ok so we get back to the RAID controller... can I not boot from the AMI
MegaRAID controller?


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Hess [mailto:scott@avantgo.com]
Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 11:20 AM
To: Aaron Sonntag; Mike Smith
Cc: FreeBSD-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: SCSI RAID controller support

You are correct in that you only need enough on the non-RAID device to boot
the system.  The easiest option would be to just put all of / on the boot
device, maybe 10M-20M, total.  You could also likely wire together a system
where the kernel and some minimal subset exist on the boot device, with the
real root mounted over the boot root after the requisite drivers are in
place (I'm not sure if FreeBSD has any equivalent to the /boot partition,
which is specifically for this type of thing).

WARNING: there's a reason that the / partition is there!  A minimal /
should contain all (ALL) of the tools you need to repair the system (in
fact, it never hurts to try booting single user and seeing whether you know
how to get things done without /usr mounted).  For that reason, I would
recommend that instead of playing tricks to get a mirrorred /, you instead
manually mirror /, arrange things so that you can mount it read-only, and
then use standard mounting tricks to get the majority of your system up and
running.  If the normal boot / dies, boot from the backup boot /.

Or just punt and get a RAID controller you can boot from,
scott

----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Sonntag <aaron@sonntag.org>
To: Mike Smith <msmith@FreeBSD.ORG>; Aaron Sonntag <aaron@sonntag.org>
Cc: <FreeBSD-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: SCSI RAID controller support


> Thank your for your help thus far!
>
> Mr. Smith, you said that I can't mirror the boot drive either.  How would
> you go about securing the OS in a server such as the one I am looking at
> purchasing?  It doesn't do me much good to have 10,000 worth of hot swap
> drives and power supplies if my main OS is still residing on a single
point
> of failure... any thoughts?  What is the minimum I would have to have on
> this boot drive?  I could put /usr and /var and /etc on the RAID array
> correct?  Or do you mean I can't have the boot sector proper on the raid
> array... meaning that a tiny slice of the OS for the boot partition is
all I
> need to be off of the array?  I have to make this system completely
> redundant at least one time over and at this point the only hole seems to
be
> the lack of any ability to protect the main OS with mirroring via
> hardware(controller) or software(FreeBSD vinum?).  Your thoughts and time
> are greatly appreciated.
>
> Aaron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Mike Smith
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 7:36 PM
> To: Aaron Sonntag
> Cc: Mike Smith; FreeBSD-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: SCSI RAID controller support
>
> > Yeah the Dell rep was telling me that the Adaptec controller was an OEM
> > based on the 7897 chipset.
>
> Er.  Well, saying the aac-364 is "based on the 7897 chipset" is a bit
> like saying my car is "based on Michelins".  Yes, it does use them, but
> it's really a complete computer system built around a StrongARM 110.
>
> >  I am not going to be allowed to run 4.x on this
> > server.  I will be able to run 3.4 when it is on CD later this month.
> Will
> > this help?  I also did not plan on booting from the RAID controller.  I
> had
> > planned on doing software mirroring on the SCSI boot drives and the
RAID5
> on
> > the hardware controller.
>
> Ok.  Note that you can't really "software mirror" the boot volume either,
> unless you're talking about something else I'm not aware of.
>
> > Will this allow me to use the Dell/Adaptec
> > controller at all?  I read in some FreeBSD documentation that the 7897
> > chipset was supported... but I guess not in a RAID controller?
>
> The aic7897 is supported, yes.  The Adaptec aac-364 is not.
>
> > Based upon
> > what you said I can at least use the AMI controller with 3.4 if I don't
> mind
> > booting off a different controller right?  I hate to drag this out but
a
> lot
> > of money is involved (relatively) and I really only have one shot at
this.
>
> Not a problem.  Yes, the AMI controller is perfectly viable with 3.4, and
> I've been getting quite a lot of good feedback on it so far.
>
> > One more question.  Is there any vendor like Dell or SAG that is
FreeBSD
> > friendly?
>
> This is always a difficult recommendation to make, simply because
> anything I say may be taken as endorsement and I don't want people to
> feel left out.  Having said that, I've never had cause to regret
> recommending both Telenet Systems (www.tesys.com) and ASA Computers
> (www.asacomputers.com).
>
> --
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> \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself,  \\  msmith@freebsd.org
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Anybody have positive experience with this adapter?
I will be using it in a router box.
 
PRO/100+ DUAL PORT SERVER ADAPTER
 
Thank you,
 
Aaron



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On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Aaron Sonntag wrote:

> Anybody have positive experience with this adapter?
> I will be using it in a router box.
>  
> PRO/100+ DUAL PORT SERVER ADAPTER

pcib3: <PCI to PCI bridge (vendor=1011 device=0024)> at device 10.0 on pci2
pci3: <PCI bus> on pcib3
fxp0: <Intel EtherExpress Pro 10/100B Ethernet> irq 10 at device 4.0 on pci3
fxp0: Ethernet address 00:90:27:2a:65:3e
fxp1: <Intel EtherExpress Pro 10/100B Ethernet> irq 10 at device 5.0 on pci3
fxp1: Ethernet address 00:90:27:2a:65:3f

Works perfectly over here.

FreeBSD hawk.internal.chc-chimes.com 4.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #9: Mon Dec 13 22:07:08 EST 1999     billf@hawk.internal.chc-chimes.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/LOVEMACHINE  i386

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On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Aaron Sonntag wrote:

> Anybody have positive experience with this adapter?
> I will be using it in a router box.
>  
> PRO/100+ DUAL PORT SERVER ADAPTER

Should be an adapter with a pci-pci bridge and 2x intel 8255{8,9} chips.

>  
> Thank you,
>  
> Aaron
> 



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> Ok so we get back to the RAID controller... can I not boot from the AMI
> MegaRAID controller?

I believe I've already answered that question.  At this point in time, 
you can't boot from or install to an AMI MegaRAID controller under 
FreeBSD 3.4 or earlier.  You can do this with the upcoming 4.0 release, 
and I expect that when I stop answering questions about it, the 3.4-STABLE
branch will develop this ability as well.

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Is it possible to use a wheel of a wheel mouse in X (KDE) ?
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From owner-freebsd-hardware  Mon Dec 20  8:45:31 1999
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Yes.

See http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/

I haven't tried this myself, yet. :-)


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From owner-freebsd-hardware  Tue Dec 21 15: 2:53 1999
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I may be able to get one of these:

http://www.asus.com/Products/Motherboard/Pentiumpro/P3c-l/index.html

I don't tend to keep up with hardware stuff; I've always hated the PC
architecture and talk of motherboards and bus speeds and such tends to
nauseate me.  I therefore find myself quite unfamiliar with this
chipset, and I can't find reference to it in the archives.  I have
heard of the 440BX, but not this i820 thing.  So I'd really appreciate
it if someone says "Yes, that'll work fine", or "No, you can't boot"
or "It works, but not the USB controller" or something.  I'm
particularly curious about the IDE controller (I have an ATA66 drive
and it would be nice to use it) and the USB.

I'll be running -current on it; this is an upgrade for my play
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Hello & Happy Holidays!

I was wondering if FreeBSD 3.3 or any later versions supported 'Promises
Ultra66 IDE Controller' for 66MB/sec burst data transfers.

I have it on one of my boxes & would like to use it.


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From a Handbook for 2.2.x, AHA-1505, 152x, 1535, 154x are all supported
by FreeBSD.  But in the Handbook for 3.x, which is currently on
http://www.freebsd.org, mentioned only AHA-1535 and 154x.  Are AHA-1505
or 152x supported by FreeBSD-3.3-stable?  And which one is the most
recommendable?  I found from Adaptec's web page that they sells AHA-1505
kit at $55.00.

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On 1999-Dec-22 17:02:39 +1100, Youlgok <youlgok@attglobal.net> wrote:
> Are AHA-1505 or 152x supported by FreeBSD-3.3-stable?

I'll leave this one because I'm not certain.

>  And which one is the most recommendable?

The 154x cards are probably the best choice.  The 1505 and 152x cards
are PIO-only, so you incur a hefty CPU overhead - best avoided unless
you like seeing how many `+' symbols you can get on a systat -v screen
:-).  I don't know the 1535.

>  I found from Adaptec's web page that they sells AHA-1505
>kit at $55.00.

This sounds quite expensive.  You should be able to find an
NCR-based PCI card for that much.

Peter


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Avoid it like the plague, even if it s free. I820 is the much vaunted, =
excessively buggy RAMBUS chipset.=20
A lot of manufacturers were caught out by the discovery of major memory=
 timing and cache reliability=20
problems when more than two RAMBUS slots were filled.

Hence a number of the boards that were underway to delivery are now bei=
ng dumped en masse as
they are pretty much scrap and unsaleable - plus. if they are not popul=
ated with RB SIMMs, you have about
*zero* chance of a) actually getting any, since very few companies are =
producing RAMBUS cards b) finding
anyone willing to sell them as PC133 ramps up even if they had any in t=
he first place c) buying them at
prices anywhere below the price of a reasonable family car.

Rob Schofield

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In message <99Dec22.195539est.40336@border.alcanet.com.au>, Peter Jeremy cleopede:
>On 1999-Dec-22 17:02:39 +1100, Youlgok <youlgok@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> Are AHA-1505 or 152x supported by FreeBSD-3.3-stable?
>
>I'll leave this one because I'm not certain.
>
>>  And which one is the most recommendable?
>
>The 154x cards are probably the best choice.  The 1505 and 152x cards
>are PIO-only, so you incur a hefty CPU overhead - best avoided unless
>you like seeing how many `+' symbols you can get on a systat -v screen
>:-).  I don't know the 1535.
>
>>  I found from Adaptec's web page that they sells AHA-1505
>>kit at $55.00.
>
>This sounds quite expensive.  You should be able to find an
>NCR-based PCI card for that much.

I recently bought 6 Tekram DC-310's from egghead.com at $23 each.

On the topic of the 152x vs the 154x, though, the PIO only mode of
the former may or may not be less efficient than the busmaster DMA
of the latter: DMA, even busmaster DMA, does steal cycles and
represents a performance hit on the CPU.  And in addition to that,
if you have more than 16MB of RAM, the DMA-ed data from the 154x,
but not the 152x, will have to be copied up from a bounce buffer.
Adaptec's theory, if I remember it correctly, was that using the
fast block-mode copy-in/copy-out instructions could in many cases
be faster than busmaster DMA.

Greg Shenaut


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As I said.

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On Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 01:02:39 -0500, Youlgok wrote:
> >From a Handbook for 2.2.x, AHA-1505, 152x, 1535, 154x are all supported
> by FreeBSD.  But in the Handbook for 3.x, which is currently on
> http://www.freebsd.org, mentioned only AHA-1535 and 154x.  Are AHA-1505
> or 152x supported by FreeBSD-3.3-stable?  And which one is the most
> recommendable?  I found from Adaptec's web page that they sells AHA-1505
> kit at $55.00.

Other folks have mentioned that the 154x boards are preferrable if you've
got to get an ISA board.  That is true.

As for the handbook, it is out of date.  The 150x/152x cards, which are
based on the AIC-6260 and AIC-6360 chips, are supported now.  They
weren't originally supported in CAM (3.x), but Luoqi Chen
<luoqi@FreeBSD.ORG> rewrote the aic driver, so they are supported now.

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I am considering buying a PowerStor L200 tape library with the 
DLT4000 drive but I want to make sure this is going to work on 
the FreeBSD box I am going to be putting it on.

The box is running FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE but I can upgrade it if 
need be.

Does anybody have any experiance with this drive?

Thanks in advance.



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On Thursday, 23 December 1999 at 17:30:47 -0500, Christopher S. Weimann wrote:
> I am considering buying a PowerStor L200 tape library with the
> DLT4000 drive but I want to make sure this is going to work on
> the FreeBSD box I am going to be putting it on.
>
> The box is running FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE but I can upgrade it if
> need be.
>
> Does anybody have any experiance with this drive?

I have:

sa1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 3 lun 0
sa1: <Quantum DLT4000 CC1E> Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device 
sa1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15)

It works fine.  I don't know why it shouldn't work with 2.2.7-RELEASE,
but I'd suggest you upgrade anyway.

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On Fri, Dec 24, 1999 at 10:43:23AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote:
> On Thursday, 23 December 1999 at 17:30:47 -0500, Christopher S. Weimann wrote:
> >
> > Does anybody have any experiance with this drive?
> 
> I have:
> 
> sa1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 3 lun 0
> sa1: <Quantum DLT4000 CC1E> Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device 
> sa1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15)
> 
> It works fine.  I don't know why it shouldn't work with 2.2.7-RELEASE,
> but I'd suggest you upgrade anyway.
> 

Is that just the 4000 or the changer too?  I wasn't too worried about the
drive but I get the impression that some changers can be sort of oddball.

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On Thursday, 23 December 1999 at 19:57:47 -0500, Christopher S. Weimann wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 24, 1999 at 10:43:23AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote:
>> On Thursday, 23 December 1999 at 17:30:47 -0500, Christopher S. Weimann wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anybody have any experiance with this drive?
>>
>> I have:
>>
>> sa1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 3 lun 0
>> sa1: <Quantum DLT4000 CC1E> Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device
>> sa1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15)
>>
>> It works fine.  I don't know why it shouldn't work with 2.2.7-RELEASE,
>> but I'd suggest you upgrade anyway.
>
> Is that just the 4000 or the changer too?  I wasn't too worried about the
> drive but I get the impression that some changers can be sort of oddball.

That's just the drive.  I thought that's what you were asking about.
The worst that can happen with the changer is that the changer
commands won't work.  The changers I've seen understand things like
"move to next cassette on eject", which has been adequate for the
things I wanted.

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From owner-freebsd-hardware  Thu Dec 23 17:57:30 1999
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Grog wrote:
> That's just the drive.  I thought that's what you were asking about.
> The worst that can happen with the changer is that the changer
> commands won't work.  The changers I've seen understand things like
> "move to next cassette on eject", which has been adequate for the
> things I wanted.

Ick! Stackers are bad!

The DLT changer electronics/mechanics are pretty straightforward and are
unlikely to be affected one way or the other. You may have a task finding
the right version of amanda that can cope, but that'll be fine. Whether or
not the old st driver copes with the DLT4000, who knows... probably.




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On Thu, Dec 23, 1999 at 05:59:24PM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote:
> 
> Ick! Stackers are bad!
> 

What makes you say that?

> The DLT changer electronics/mechanics are pretty straightforward and are
> unlikely to be affected one way or the other. You may have a task finding
> the right version of amanda that can cope, but that'll be fine. 

The reason I addressed this question to the FreeBSD list is because the 
Amanda site specifically says that for changers it is dependent on the 
tools in the underlying OS.

> Whether or
> not the old st driver copes with the DLT4000, who knows... probably.
> 

The drive apparently works for Greg.

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> On Thu, Dec 23, 1999 at 05:59:24PM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote:
> > 
> > Ick! Stackers are bad!
> > 
> 
> What makes you say that?

Aw, it's just a violation of a principle of least surprise that the
(possibly unwitting) ejection of one tape automatically loads the next
one.
 > 
> > The DLT changer electronics/mechanics are pretty straightforward and are
> > unlikely to be affected one way or the other. You may have a task finding
> > the right version of amanda that can cope, but that'll be fine. 
> 
> The reason I addressed this question to the FreeBSD list is because the 
> Amanda site specifically says that for changers it is dependent on the 
> tools in the underlying OS.

Well, the amanda package that is appropriate for 2.2.X should give a hint
as to what it expects.


> 
> > Whether or
> > not the old st driver copes with the DLT4000, who knows... probably.
> > 
> 
> The drive apparently works for Greg.
> 
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>> > The DLT changer electronics/mechanics are pretty straightforward and are
>> > unlikely to be affected one way or the other. You may have a task finding
>> > the right version of amanda that can cope, but that'll be fine. 
>> 
>> The reason I addressed this question to the FreeBSD list is because the 
>> Amanda site specifically says that for changers it is dependent on the 
>> tools in the underlying OS.
>
>Well, the amanda package that is appropriate for 2.2.X should give a hint
>as to what it expects.

At the time they wrote that everyone was interfacing amanda to the
changer software that came with their individual OS or tape changer
or various freeware offerings.  Since chg-scsi has been out there's
far less reason to try all the choices.  I would suggest you start
with chg-scsi and a more modern version of FreeBSD.  Also, there are
a lot of experienced amanda users on the amanda list at
amanda-users@amanda.org who can help.  Only a couple of whom I've
ever seen around here.
 

>> > Whether or
>> > not the old st driver copes with the DLT4000, who knows... probably.
>> > 
>> 
>> The drive apparently works for Greg.

Yes but he didn't say with 2.2.7.

-Mitch


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On Thursday, 23 December 1999 at 21:15:38 -0500, Christopher S. Weimann wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 23, 1999 at 05:59:24PM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote:

>> Whether or not the old st driver copes with the DLT4000, who
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> The drive apparently works for Greg.

I'm using it with CAM, not the old st driver.  But, as Matt does, I
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Posted to questions and got no response so I'll try here (seems in keeping
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Are hard drives larger than 32 GB supported by Free BSD. I've had both =
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This seems to be a hardware problem.  If you go to maxtor's site
http://www.maxtor.com/technology/infobulls/13027.html
they mention how older BIOSes are non-functional.

I just decided to use IBM 25 gig drives and live with that. :-)

On Thu, 23 Dec 1999, Brandon DeYoung wrote:

> Are hard drives larger than 32 GB supported by Free BSD. I've had both the 3.3 and 3.4 releases fail during the make New FS portion of the install, when installing on a Maxtor 36 GB drive.
> 
> ~Brandon
> brandon@schoolpeople.net
> 
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> Are hard drives larger than 32 GB supported by Free BSD. I've had both =
> the 3.3 and 3.4 releases fail during the make New FS portion of the =
> install, when installing on a Maxtor 36 GB drive.

There shouldn't be any issues with large drives, no.  Since you don't 
provide any details to qualify "fail", it's hard to guess where your 
problems might lie.

(The 'BIOS' supposition already aired seems fairly unlikely, since 
 FreeBSD doesn't use the BIOS at the point you're discussing.)
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See kern/15611- Wes Bauske has seen the very same thing... I have a 50GB
drive I'll try on Sunday...





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>> Are hard drives larger than 32 GB supported by Free BSD. I've had both =
>> the 3.3 and 3.4 releases fail during the make New FS portion of the =
>> install, when installing on a Maxtor 36 GB drive.
>
>There shouldn't be any issues with large drives, no.  Since you don't 
>provide any details to qualify "fail", it's hard to guess where your 
>problems might lie.

There's been discussion of this recently, I think on -questions.
Those involved seemed to agree there is a newfs barrier at around
27 to 27.5 GB.  Smaller works fine, larger fails.  Based on that you
should be able to partition your 36 GB and make it usable now.  IIRC
there is a new driver in the works that's supposed to solve the
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-Mitch


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On Fri, Dec 24, 1999 at 09:19:12PM -0600, marc rassbach wrote:
> This seems to be a hardware problem.  If you go to maxtor's site
> http://www.maxtor.com/technology/infobulls/13027.html
> they mention how older BIOSes are non-functional.

i ran into the same problem w/ a maxtor 36gb ide drive under 3.4-stable.  i
upgraded my bios per maxtor's instructions, but it still wouldn't format.

i ended up creating two partitions.

> On Thu, 23 Dec 1999, Brandon DeYoung wrote:
> 
> > Are hard drives larger than 32 GB supported by Free BSD. I've had both the 3.3 and 3.4 releases fail during the make New FS portion of the install, when installing on a Maxtor 36 GB drive.
> > 
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On Friday, 24 December 1999 at 21:39:40 -0800, Eric Kozowski wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 24, 1999 at 09:19:12PM -0600, marc rassbach wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Dec 1999, Brandon DeYoung wrote:
>>> Are hard drives larger than 32 GB supported by Free BSD. I've had
>>> both the 3.3 and 3.4 releases fail during the make New FS portion
>>> of the install, when installing on a Maxtor 36 GB drive.
>>
>> This seems to be a hardware problem.  If you go to maxtor's site
>> http://www.maxtor.com/technology/infobulls/13027.html
>> they mention how older BIOSes are non-functional.
>
> i ran into the same problem w/ a maxtor 36gb ide drive under
> 3.4-stable.  i upgraded my bios per maxtor's instructions, but it
> still wouldn't format.

I don't know how you can determine that this is the "same problem".
There are almost no details of what happened.  The BIOS upgrade
wouldn't make any difference, since FreeBSD doesn't use the BIOS.

I'm currently investigating some reported problems in this area.
Specifically, ufs file systems of 27.5 GB and up have been reported to
fail to create file systems.  On one occasion, newfs reported that the
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On Friday, 24 December 1999 at 23:16:54 -0500, Mitch Collinsworth wrote:
>
>>> Are hard drives larger than 32 GB supported by Free BSD. I've had both =
>>> the 3.3 and 3.4 releases fail during the make New FS portion of the =
>>> install, when installing on a Maxtor 36 GB drive.
>>
>> There shouldn't be any issues with large drives, no.  Since you don't
>> provide any details to qualify "fail", it's hard to guess where your
>> problems might lie.
>
> There's been discussion of this recently, I think on -questions.
> Those involved seemed to agree there is a newfs barrier at around
> 27 to 27.5 GB.  Smaller works fine, larger fails.  Based on that you
> should be able to partition your 36 GB and make it usable now.  IIRC
> there is a new driver in the works that's supposed to solve the
> problem.

Correct.  That's a thing I forgot to mention in my last message: we've
tried the new ata driver with large disks and had no problems.  That
doesn't mean there are none, though: until we know what causes the
problems, we can't be sure that they're gone.  ata is standard in 4.0.

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To: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
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Subject: Re: 36 GB IDE Hard Drives
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On Sun, Dec 26, 1999 at 10:21:11AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote:
> I don't know how you can determine that this is the "same problem".

s/same/similar/

> There are almost no details of what happened.  The BIOS upgrade
> wouldn't make any difference, since FreeBSD doesn't use the BIOS.

right, but the maxtor site says some of it's 36gb drives have problems
w/ older bios that cause formats to fail.

http://www.maxtor.com/technology/infobulls/13027.html

> I'm currently investigating some reported problems in this area.
> Specifically, ufs file systems of 27.5 GB and up have been reported to
> fail to create file systems.  On one occasion, newfs reported that the
> file system was read only.  In another case, the newfs completed, but
> the system paniced writing to the file system.  It would be nice to
> know what *really* happened to each of you.

newfs croaked w/ the read only error.  i tried using both the tools in
/stand/sysinstall and the equivalent cli commands.  



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