From owner-freebsd-install Sun Aug 1 15:53:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-install@freebsd.org Received: from alcatraz.BayLinks.COM (pop1.baylinks.com [209.220.132.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5DD14CC2 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dshrestha@baylinks.com) Received: from baylinks.com ([209.220.132.164]) by alcatraz.BayLinks.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09676 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:45:22 -0700 Message-ID: <37A4D159.56946BCF@baylinks.com> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 15:59:38 -0700 From: dipu Organization: student X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-install@freebsd.org Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-install@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe freebsd-install dipu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-install" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-install Tue Aug 3 7: 7:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-install@freebsd.org Received: from Bespin.worldnet.net (bespin.worldnet.net [195.3.3.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B480152A3; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:07:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcasidy@worldnet.fr) Received: from greatoak.home (p14-026.province.worldnet.fr [195.3.14.26]) by Bespin.worldnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA28564; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:02:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from pcasidy@localhost) by greatoak.home (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04997; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:57:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pcasidy) Message-Id: <199908031357.PAA04997@greatoak.home> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:57:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Philippe CASIDY Subject: Status of sysinstall ? To: freebsd-install@FreeBSD.org Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-install@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! If I read the man page about sysinstall, I can read : BUGS This utility is a prototype which lasted approximately 3 years past its expiration date and is greatly in need of death. If there something currently being developped to replace it? My may concern is to know if this tool is worth being improved! Thanks, Phil. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-install" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-install Tue Aug 3 10:10:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-install@freebsd.org Received: from logatome.micronet.fr (logatome-2.francenet.fr [193.149.96.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7B014C10; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:10:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Sebastien.Gioria@FranceNet.fr) Received: from gioria.dialup.FranceNet.fr (eku28.francenet.fr [193.149.97.60]) by logatome.micronet.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09608; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:07:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gioria.dialup.FranceNet.fr (Postfix, from userid 42) id 466431FF8A; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:09:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990803190924.B31541@FranceNet.fr> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:09:24 +0200 From: Sebastien GIORIA To: Philippe CASIDY Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, freebsd-install@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Status of sysinstall ? Reply-To: Sebastien GIORIA References: <199908031357.PAA04997@greatoak.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199908031357.PAA04997@greatoak.home>; from Philippe CASIDY on Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 03:57:13PM +0200 Operating-System: Definitely FreeBSD Function: Security Administrator X-Work-Organization: FranceNet X-Work-Postal-Address: 28 Rue Desaix , 75015 Paris, France, Terre X-Home-Organization: French FreeBSD Documentation Project X-Home-Postal-Address: 32 Rue Baron Le Roy, 75012 Paris, France, Terre X-Operating-System: FreeBSD-STABLE + PAO enabled X-URL-Home: http://www.FreeBSD-fr.org X-URL-Work: http://www.FranceNet.fr Sender: owner-freebsd-install@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 03:57:13PM +0200, the keyboard of Philippe CASIDY write: > Hi! > > If I read the man page about sysinstall, I can read : > > BUGS > This utility is a prototype which lasted approximately 3 years past its > expiration date and is greatly in need of death. > > If there something currently being developped to replace it? > > My may concern is to know if this tool is worth being improved! Particulary for supporting the multi-lingual. We (French Doc Project) are very interesst for the internationalising of this tools.. S. > > Thanks, > > Phil. > -- FranceNet Security Administrator Sebastien.Gioria@FranceNet.fr French FreeBSD Documentation Project gioria@FreeBSD.org Tout FreeBSD en Francais http://www.FreeBSD-fr.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-install" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-install Tue Aug 3 10:26:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-install@freebsd.org Received: from sendero.simon-shapiro.org (sendero.simon-shapiro.org.142.69.207.in-addr.arpa [207.69.142.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD66114D2C for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:26:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ShapiroS@MindSpring.NET) Received: (qmail 522 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 17:12:10 -0000 Received: from nomis.ems.mindspring.net (HELO MindSpring.NET) (209.86.81.177) by sendero.simon-shapiro.org with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 17:12:10 -0000 Message-ID: <37A7260B.C2FF8B8E@MindSpring.NET> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:25:31 -0400 From: Simon Shapiro Organization: EMS, MindSpring Enterprises, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philippe CASIDY Cc: freebsd-install@FreeBSD.org, jkh@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Status of sysinstall ? References: <199908031357.PAA04997@greatoak.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-install@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Philippe CASIDY wrote: > > Hi! > > If I read the man page about sysinstall, I can read : > > BUGS > This utility is a prototype which lasted approximately 3 years past its > expiration date and is greatly in need of death. > > If there something currently being developped to replace it? > > My may concern is to know if this tool is worth being improved! IMHO, yes! > > Thanks, > > Phil. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-install" in the body of the message -- Sincerely Yours, Simon Shapiro Research Fellow MindSpring Enterprises ShapiroS@mindspring.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-install" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-install Tue Aug 3 10:56:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-install@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0E5152E6; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:56:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04418; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:55:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Philippe CASIDY Cc: freebsd-install@FreeBSD.org, jkh@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Status of sysinstall ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:57:13 +0200." <199908031357.PAA04997@greatoak.home> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:55:10 -0700 Message-ID: <4414.933702910@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-install@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi! > > If I read the man page about sysinstall, I can read : > > BUGS > This utility is a prototype which lasted approximately 3 years past its > expiration date and is greatly in need of death. This is still true. :) > If there something currently being developped to replace it? Sort of, but progress is very slow. > My may concern is to know if this tool is worth being improved! Probably not, no. :) Though if there are incremental improvements you want to make, it might make sense to do so anyway. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-install" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-install Tue Aug 3 14:57:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-install@freebsd.org Received: from leaf.crc.ricoh.com (gateway.crc.ricoh.com [205.226.66.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E28714F75 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:57:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjaffe@rsv.ricoh.com) Received: from adc1.adc.rsv.ricoh.com (adc1.adc.rsv.ricoh.com [172.30.31.30]) by leaf.crc.ricoh.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA18697; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rsv.ricoh.com by adc1.adc.rsv.ricoh.com (8.8.8/3.6Wpre2-98122121) id OAA13572; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37A7756F.C95778F1@rsv.ricoh.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:04:15 -0700 From: Mark Jaffe Organization: Ricoh Silicon Valley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: freebsd-install@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of sysinstall ? References: <4414.933702910@zippy.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-install@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > If I read the man page about sysinstall, I can read : > > > > BUGS > > This utility is a prototype which lasted approximately 3 years past its > > expiration date and is greatly in need of death. > > This is still true. :) > > > If there something currently being developped to replace it? > > Sort of, but progress is very slow. > Yes! We would love to have a totally scriptable install for our product. Any way we could help? Mark -- ------------------------------------------- Mark Jaffe | Build Meister Ricoh Silicon Valley | ADC (408) 863-8066 | mjaffe@rsv.ricoh.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-install" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-install Tue Aug 3 16:21:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-install@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BD214F7D for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:21:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05548; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:18:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Mark Jaffe Cc: freebsd-install@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Status of sysinstall ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:04:15 PDT." <37A7756F.C95778F1@rsv.ricoh.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 16:18:01 -0700 Message-ID: <5544.933722281@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-install@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Yes! We would love to have a totally scriptable install for our product. > Any way we could help? Well, the current install tools do provide a fair amount of scripting (see sysinstall man page) but I'd say it's going to be awhile before the new stuff offers a similar degree of functionality. Unless you could help by loaning me an engineer for about 90 days. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-install" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-install Wed Aug 4 2: 6:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-install@freebsd.org Received: from Bespin.worldnet.net (bespin.worldnet.net [195.3.3.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F0A1514D for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:06:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcasidy@worldnet.fr) Received: from greatoak.home (p14-018.province.worldnet.fr [195.3.14.18]) by Bespin.worldnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA08877; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:01:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from pcasidy@localhost) by greatoak.home (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00526; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:06:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pcasidy) Message-Id: <199908040806.KAA00526@greatoak.home> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:06:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Philippe CASIDY Subject: Re: Status of sysinstall ? To: Sebastien.Gioria@FranceNet.fr Cc: freebsd-install@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <19990803190924.B31541@FranceNet.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-install@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 3 Aug, Sebastien GIORIA wrote: > On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 03:57:13PM +0200, the keyboard of Philippe CASIDY write: >> Hi! >> >> If I read the man page about sysinstall, I can read : >> >> BUGS >> This utility is a prototype which lasted approximately 3 years past its >> expiration date and is greatly in need of death. >> >> If there something currently being developped to replace it? >> >> My may concern is to know if this tool is worth being improved! > > Particulary for supporting the multi-lingual. We (French Doc Project) > are very interesst for the internationalising of this tools.. > > I will have a look about how to make it possible! -- Philippe CASIDY Consultant Génie Logiciel Systèmes & Réseaux Informatiques Tél : +33 (0)5 34 60 37 47 Fax : +33 (0)5 34 60 37 46 mailto: pcasidy@worldnet.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-install" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-install Wed Aug 4 8: 7:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-install@freebsd.org Received: from Bespin.worldnet.net (bespin.worldnet.net [195.3.3.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1BE14D94; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:07:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcasidy@worldnet.fr) Received: from greatoak.home (p14-015.province.worldnet.fr [195.3.14.15]) by Bespin.worldnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27562; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:02:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from pcasidy@localhost) by greatoak.home (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02766; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:51:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pcasidy) Message-Id: <199908041451.QAA02766@greatoak.home> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:51:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Philippe CASIDY Subject: Re: Status of sysinstall ? To: Sebastien.Gioria@FranceNet.fr Cc: freebsd-install@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199908040806.KAA00526@greatoak.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-install@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 4 Aug, Philippe CASIDY wrote: > On 3 Aug, Sebastien GIORIA wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 03:57:13PM +0200, the keyboard of Philippe CASIDY write: >>> Hi! >>> >>> If I read the man page about sysinstall, I can read : >>> >>> BUGS >>> This utility is a prototype which lasted approximately 3 years past its >>> expiration date and is greatly in need of death. >>> >>> If there something currently being developped to replace it? >>> >>> My may concern is to know if this tool is worth being improved! >> >> Particulary for supporting the multi-lingual. We (French Doc Project) >> are very interesst for the internationalising of this tools.. >> >> > I will have a look about how to make it possible! > > [is it the right list to discuss about this?] I spent a few time looking into the sources of sysinstall. It is "quite" easy to make a French version : moving all the texts in a separate file and to compile either a French or English version using a macro definition. I think that for PAO, they just translate the text but I am not sure : I hav to get hand on PAO sysinstall sources. The most interesting is having a multi-lingual tool. Let the user select which language he wants and then dynamically change the text. But unfortunately, it requires huge code rework I cannot evaluate now. The problem is that most (if not all) of the texts are declared in static structure: DMenu MenuInitial = { DMENU_NORMAL_TYPE, "/stand/sysinstall Main Menu", /* title */ "Welcome to the FreeBSD installation and configuration tool. Please\n" /* prompt */ .... and it is not easy to dynamically change this values! John, do you confirm? -- Philippe CASIDY Consultant Génie Logiciel Systèmes & Réseaux Informatiques Tél : +33 (0)5 34 60 37 47 Fax : +33 (0)5 34 60 37 46 mailto: pcasidy@worldnet.fr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-install" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-install Wed Aug 4 13:37:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-install@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2350C15180; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:37:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11051; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:36:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Philippe CASIDY Cc: Sebastien.Gioria@FranceNet.fr, freebsd-install@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Status of sysinstall ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Aug 1999 16:51:06 +0200." <199908041451.QAA02766@greatoak.home> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 13:36:35 -0700 Message-ID: <11047.933798995@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-install@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I spent a few time looking into the sources of sysinstall. It is "quite" > easy to make a French version : moving all the texts in a separate > file and to compile either a French or English version using a macro > definition. I think that for PAO, they just translate the text but I am > not sure : I hav to get hand on PAO sysinstall sources. It needs to be message-cataloged in a really big way, but that's still a ways off. I think the Japanese folks sort of did this once, but the patches have vanished into obscurity. > The most interesting is having a multi-lingual tool. Let the user > select which language he wants and then dynamically change the text. > But unfortunately, it requires huge code rework I cannot evaluate now. Yep! > and it is not easy to dynamically change this values! > > John, do you confirm? Yes, the current sysinstall was not written with localization in mind and it's a difficult task for anyone to contemplate. I wish I could give you better news than this. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-install" in the body of the message