From owner-freebsd-isdn Sun Jan 17 14:31:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10893 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 14:31:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from scottb.demon.co.uk (scottb.demon.co.uk [158.152.42.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10885 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 14:31:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from barry@scottb.demon.co.uk) Received: from barrynt (barrynt.private [172.16.1.6]) by scottb.demon.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA28813 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:30:35 GMT (envelope-from barry@scottb.demon.co.uk) From: "Barry Scott" To: "Freebsd-Isdn@Freebsd. Org" Subject: My patches to I4B 0.70 published Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:29:58 -0000 Message-ID: <000001be4268$e9dab890$060110ac@barrynt.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you are interested in my patches for I4B to make the idle timeout algorithms work with networks that charge by time. Please access from my Web site: http://www.scottb.demon.co.uk/isdn/index.html Aside from the patches to the code I have written an isdnd.rates file for BT in the UK. Barry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Jan 19 13:48:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11599 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:48:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.euronet.nl (gaia.euronet.nl [194.134.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA11594 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:48:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-isdn@scc.nl) Received: from scones.sup.scc.nl (i357.ztm.euronet.nl [194.134.67.118]) by gaia.euronet.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12484 from for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:47:53 +0100 (MET) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by scones.sup.scc.nl (8.9.2/8.9.1) id WAA47538 for isdn@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:46:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd-isdn@scc.nl) Received: from GATEWAY by scones.sup.scc.nl with netnews for isdn@FreeBSD.ORG (isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) To: isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:46:31 +0100 From: Marcel Moolenaar Message-ID: <36A4FD37.443DABAE@scc.nl> Organization: SCC vof Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: D-channel communications Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Are there any plans to implement communications over the D-channel? Are people interested in such an implementation? marcel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Jan 19 14:55:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20345 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:55:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20336 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:55:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefan.schmidt@stadtbuch.de) Received: from hpsystem14.informatik.tu-muenchen.de ([131.159.4.9] EHLO hpsystem14.informatik.tu-muenchen.de ident: root [port 4381]) by tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de with ESMTP id <110969-3609>; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:54:58 +0000 Received: from schmidts.modem.informatik.tu-muenchen.de ([172.16.0.35]:1663 "EHLO stadtbuch.de" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by hpsystem14.informatik.tu-muenchen.de with ESMTP id <11991-12467>; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:54:26 +0100 Message-ID: <36A50D88.CAD1772F@stadtbuch.de> Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 23:56:08 +0100 From: Stefan Schmidt Organization: Stadtbuch =?iso-8859-1?Q?=5BM=FCnchen=5D?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcel Moolenaar CC: isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: D-channel communications References: <36A4FD37.443DABAE@scc.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Marcel, > Are there any plans to implement communications over the D-channel? > Are people interested in such an implementation? which protocols? user to user data or even x.31? ;-) stefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Jan 19 15:20:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA23397 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:20:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from peedub.muc.de (newpc.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23385 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:20:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from garyj@peedub.muc.de) Received: from peedub.muc.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peedub.muc.de (8.9.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA70925 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:09:57 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199901192309.AAA70925@peedub.muc.de> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: D-channel communications Reply-To: Gary Jennejohn In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:46:31 +0100." <36A4FD37.443DABAE@scc.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:09:56 +0100 From: Gary Jennejohn Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marcel Moolenaar writes: >Hi, > >Are there any plans to implement communications over the D-channel? Not that I know of. I'm pretty sure that the Deutsche Telekom would not like it. >Are people interested in such an implementation? > It doesn't tickle my fancy, but someone may have a use for it. --- Gary Jennejohn Home - garyj@muc.de Work - garyj@fkr.dec.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Jan 19 18:51:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16164 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:51:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vespucci.advicom.net (vespucci.advicom.net [199.170.120.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA16158 for ; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 18:51:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from avalon@vespucci.advicom.net) Received: from localhost (avalon@localhost) by vespucci.advicom.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA05110; Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:51:37 -0600 (CST) X-Envelope-Recipient: isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:51:37 -0600 (CST) From: Avalon Books To: Marcel Moolenaar cc: isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: D-channel communications In-Reply-To: <36A4FD37.443DABAE@scc.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > Are there any plans to implement communications over the D-channel? > Are people interested in such an implementation? Just a few weeks ago, I was talking to an engineer friend of mine at Alpha Telecom about their AODI (Always-On D Information) project. It seems that (at least locally), the phone companies don't think sneaking stuff over their D-Channels (were they can't do time tracking on it) is very funny, but it is certainly operational as a technology demo. They had no idea if they would be releasing the hardware for this anytime soon (if at all). It seems they were quite pleased with how much use one can get out of a spare 16k-wide channel (grin)... I'll let you know if they release the Black Magic on it--it sure sounds like fun! --Rick Pelletier Sys Admin, House Galiagante We are a Micro$oft-free site To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Jan 20 00:43:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA25932 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:43:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcsext.hcs.de (hcsext.hcs.de [194.123.40.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA25925 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 00:43:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de([192.76.124.5]) (2535 bytes) by hcsext.hcs.de via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:43:05 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.104 1998-Nov-20 #1 built 1998-Dec-11) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m102tE8-0000fUC; Wed, 20 Jan 99 09:43 MET Message-Id: From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: D-channel communications In-Reply-To: <36A4FD37.443DABAE@scc.nl> from Marcel Moolenaar at "Jan 19, 99 10:46:31 pm" To: marcel@scc.nl (Marcel Moolenaar) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:43:04 +0100 (MET) Cc: isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From the keyboard of Marcel Moolenaar: > Are there any plans to implement communications over the D-channel? No. > Are people interested in such an implementation? I'm not interested, but it would be an interesting project ;-) Anyway: which sort of communications ? If its just communications, we are already doing that :-) Basically i can think of 3 sorts of communications over the D-channel: X.31, UUS (User-to-user signalling) and nonstandard communications. X.31 will be alot of work, subscribing to it is _very_ expensive here in Germany and what you gain from using it is 16kbit/sec instead of 64kbit/sec which you have over the B-channel. IMHO its not worth to implement it. UUS: subscribing to it is relatively expensive, the remote side has to subscribe to it too to make it useful and it gives you IIRC 32 bytes messages over the D-channel. I dont see any usefulness in that to work on it .... Nonstandard: Because you are not charged anything here for a call setup unless the call is not taken at the other end, i can think of many many ways to transmit information for no charge over the D-channel. But - trying to setup a call on the D-channel reserves a B-channel for a potential communication in the exchange and therefore it is highly illegal to use this kind of "communication" because resources are reserved which are not going to be used. That type of "communication" will not go into i4b. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 559747-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 559747-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de 22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Jan 20 02:45:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA11621 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 02:45:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goofy.fi.upm.es (goofy.fi.upm.es [138.100.8.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA11519 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 02:44:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from svolker@asterix.fi.upm.es) Received: from asterix.fi.upm.es (asterix.fi.upm.es [138.100.8.6]) by relay.fi.upm.es (PMDF V5.2-31 #33254) with ESMTP id <01J6RGMYP8KY0017WN@relay.fi.upm.es> for freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:43:39 MET Received: by asterix.fi.upm.es (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/FI-4.1) Wed, 20 Jan 1999 10:36:15 GMT Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 11:36:14 +0100 From: Volker Stolz Subject: Re: D-channel communications In-reply-to: <199901192309.AAA70925@peedub.muc.de>; from Gary Jennejohn on Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 12:09:56AM +0100 To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <19990120113614.A5930@asterix.fi.upm.es> Organization: Temporary exile in Madrid MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <36A4FD37.443DABAE@scc.nl> <199901192309.AAA70925@peedub.muc.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 20, 1999 at 12:09:56AM +0100, Gary Jennejohn wrote: > >Are there any plans to implement communications over the D-channel? > > Not that I know of. I'm pretty sure that the Deutsche Telekom would not > like it. I remember an article in de.org.ccc which stated that DT has means of tracking "unusual" D-channel-traffic (including using ring-indication as a means of transmitting low-bandwith data) and prohibits/charges for this service. You can find more on this in de.org.ccc, <4utm29$i0k@sunsystem5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> and the corresponding thread, says DejaNews. -- Volker Stolz * stolz@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de * PGP To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Wed Jan 20 22:28:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA21171 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:28:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21166 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:28:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA14076; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:27:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com( 207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V2.0) id xma014074; Wed, 20 Jan 99 22:27:01 -0800 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id WAA28226; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:27:00 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199901210627.WAA28226@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: D-channel communications In-Reply-To: from Avalon Books at "Jan 19, 99 08:51:37 pm" To: avalon@advicom.net (Avalon Books) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 22:27:00 -0800 (PST) Cc: marcel@scc.nl, isdn@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Avalon Books writes: > > Are there any plans to implement communications over the D-channel? > > Are people interested in such an implementation? Here's the current draft on this.. http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pppext-aodi-00.txt > Just a few weeks ago, I was talking to an engineer friend of mine at > Alpha Telecom about their AODI (Always-On D Information) project. It seems > that (at least locally), the phone companies don't think sneaking stuff > over their D-Channels (were they can't do time tracking on it) is very > funny, but it is certainly operational as a technology demo. I think (at least in the US) your ISDN line has to be provisioned properly before it will transfer X.25 packets. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Jan 21 13:41:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01624 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:41:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dominik.saargate.de (flanders.saargate.de [193.158.76.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01615 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:41:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from domi@saargate.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dominik.saargate.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA00690 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:41:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from domi@saargate.de) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:41:07 +0100 (CET) From: Dominik Brettnacher To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?FritzCard_and_PPP_doesn=B4t_work=2E=2E=2E=2E?= Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a FritzCard, FreeBSD 2.2.8 and i4b-00.70.00-beta. FreeBSD recognizes the following: isic0 at 0x300 irq 15 flags 0x4 on isa isic0: AVM A1 or AVM Fritz!Card isic0: ISAC 2085 Version A1/A2 or 2086/2186 Version 1.1 (IOM-2) (Addr=0x16e0) isic0: HSCX 82525 or 21525 Version 2.1 (AddrA=0x6e0, AddrB=0xee0) i4b: ISDN call control device attached i4bisppp: 4 ISDN SyncPPP device(s) attached i4bctl: ISDN system control port attached i4bipr: 4 IP over raw HDLC ISDN device(s) attached (VJ header compression) i4btel: 2 ISDN telephony interface device(s) attached i4brbch: 4 raw B channel access device(s) attached i4btrc: 4 ISDN trace device(s) attached This is my isdnd.rc: ---cut--- system # accounting # ---------- acctall = on # generate info for everything acctfile = /var/log/isdnd.acct # name & location of accounting file useacctfile = yes # generate accouting info to file # monitor # ------- monitor-allowed = yes # global switch: monitor on/off monitor-port = 451 # default monitor TCP port # Monitor rights are granted due to the most specific host/net spec, i.e. in # the example below host 192.168.1.2 will have the rights specified on that # line, even so it belongs to net 192.168.1.0/24 as well. # # A monitor specification may either be: # # - the name of a local (UNIX-domain) socket; this MUST start with a "/" monitor = "/var/run/isdn-monitor" monitor-access = fullcmd monitor-access = channelstate, logevents monitor-access = callin, callout # ratesfile # --------- ratesfile = /etc/isdn/isdnd.rates # name & location of rates file # regular expression pattern matching # ----------------------------------- #regexpr = "connected.*KTS" # look for matches in log messages #regprog = connectKTS # execute program when match is found # realtime priority section # ------------------------- rtprio = 25 # modify isdnd's process priority ############################################################################### entry name = lf usrdevicename = isp usrdeviceunit = 0 isdncontroller = 0 isdnchannel = -1 local-phone-incoming = 06868180051 remote-phone-incoming = 0686193630 local-phone-dialout = 06868180051 remote-phone-dialout = 0686193630 remdial-handling = first dialin-reaction = accept dialout-type = normal b1protocol = hdlc idletime-incoming = 240 idletime-outgoing = 30 ratetype = 0 unitlength = 90 unitlengthsrc = rate dialretries = 3 dialrandincr = on recoverytime = 25 ---cut--- I try to get a connection with these commands: ifconfig isp0 link1 0.0.0.0 193.158.76.64 netmask 0xffffff00 debug ifconfig isp0 down spppcontrol isp0 myauthproto=pap myauthname=xxxxx myauthsecret="xxxxx" ifconfig isp0 up route add default -interface isp0 But the only thing I get is this: ---cut--- isp0: lcp close(starting) isp0: phase dead isp0: lcp close(initial) isp0: lcp open(initial) isp0: phase establish isp0: lcp close(starting) isp0: phase dead isp0: lcp close(initial) isp0: lcp open(initial) isp0: phase establish isp0: lcp close(starting) isp0: phase dead isp0: lcp close(initial) isp0: lcp open(initial) isp0: phase establish isp0: lcp close(starting) isp0: phase dead isp0: lcp close(initial) isp0: lcp open(initial) isp0: phase establish isp0: lcp close(starting) isp0: phase dead ---cut--- What am I doing wrong? -- Dominik To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Jan 21 16:30:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25365 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:30:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from atlrel1.hp.com (atlrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25269 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:30:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skanduru@cup.hp.com) Received: from esalpha2.cup.hp.com (esalpha2.cup.hp.com [15.13.188.143]) by atlrel1.hp.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id TAA21322 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from cup.hp.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by esalpha2.cup.hp.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_16852)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27014; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:29:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36A7C679.12FC8F15@cup.hp.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:29:45 -0800 From: Srinivasa Raghvan Kanduru Contra Organization: Hewlett Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.11.00 9000/889) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hellmuth Michaelis , freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Support for US Robotics ISDN 128K Databurst with U Interface Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------AA8F598637FDC7B804C8BFC1" Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------AA8F598637FDC7B804C8BFC1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hellmuth, I am having a US Robotics ISDN 128 K/64K Databurst *EXTERNAL* modem with U Interface. I am not able find if there are any supporting driver for this modem on Freebsd, stable version, Ver. 2.2.7. I would appreciate if you could give me pointers to where I can get the relevent driver. -- Regards, Srinivasa Kanduru HP Enterprise Systems Technology Lab skanduru@cup.hp.com 408-447-3990 (w) --------------AA8F598637FDC7B804C8BFC1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hellmuth,

I am having a US Robotics ISDN 128 K/64K Databurst *EXTERNAL* modem with U Interface. I am not able find if there are any supporting driver for this modem on Freebsd, stable version, Ver. 2.2.7. I would appreciate if you could give me pointers to where I can get the relevent driver. 

-- 
Regards,
Srinivasa Kanduru
HP Enterprise Systems Technology Lab
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  --------------AA8F598637FDC7B804C8BFC1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Jan 21 21:30:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA19231 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:30:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19192; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:30:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id TAA28824; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com( 207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V2.0) id xma028822; Thu, 21 Jan 99 19:15:07 -0800 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id TAA06736; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:15:06 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199901220315.TAA06736@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: D-channel communications In-Reply-To: from Avalon Books at "Jan 21, 99 08:15:22 pm" To: avalon@advicom.net (Avalon Books) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:15:06 -0800 (PST) Cc: isdn@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Avalon Books writes: > > I think (at least in the US) your ISDN line has to be provisioned > > properly before it will transfer X.25 packets. > > True. But that's merely a phone call away (same with provisions for > Packet 6 and Packet 30 and a few other things). > > Mostly, I was just pointing out that the phone companies aren't > exactly thrilled with the prospect of AODI... Anybody know of any X.25 implementations out there? Seems like a good candidate for a netgraph node. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Jan 21 21:39:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA20674 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:39:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vespucci.advicom.net (vespucci.advicom.net [199.170.120.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA20669 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:39:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from avalon@vespucci.advicom.net) Received: from localhost (avalon@localhost) by vespucci.advicom.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20061; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:15:22 -0600 (CST) X-Envelope-Recipient: isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:15:22 -0600 (CST) From: Avalon Books To: Archie Cobbs cc: marcel@scc.nl, isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: D-channel communications In-Reply-To: <199901210627.WAA28226@bubba.whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Archie Cobbs wrote: > Here's the current draft on this.. > > http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pppext-aodi-00.txt > Great. Thanks! > > Just a few weeks ago, I was talking to an engineer friend of mine at > > Alpha Telecom about their AODI (Always-On D Information) project. It seems > > that (at least locally), the phone companies don't think sneaking stuff > > over their D-Channels (were they can't do time tracking on it) is very > > funny, but it is certainly operational as a technology demo. > > I think (at least in the US) your ISDN line has to be provisioned > properly before it will transfer X.25 packets. > > -Archie True. But that's merely a phone call away (same with provisions for Packet 6 and Packet 30 and a few other things). Mostly, I was just pointing out that the phone companies aren't exactly thrilled with the prospect of AODI... --R.Pelletier Sys Admin, House Galiagante We are a Micro$oft-free site To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Thu Jan 21 23:25:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA02600 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:25:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcsext.hcs.de (hcsext.hcs.de [194.123.40.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA02595; Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:25:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de([192.76.124.5]) (1434 bytes) by hcsext.hcs.de via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:24:22 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.104 1998-Nov-20 #1 built 1998-Dec-11) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m103ax3-00001dC; Fri, 22 Jan 99 08:24 MET Message-Id: From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: D-channel communications In-Reply-To: <199901220315.TAA06736@bubba.whistle.com> from Archie Cobbs at "Jan 21, 99 07:15:06 pm" To: archie@whistle.com (Archie Cobbs) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:24:21 +0100 (MET) Cc: avalon@advicom.net, isdn@FreeBSD.ORG, net@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From the keyboard of Archie Cobbs: > Anybody know of any X.25 implementations out there? There used to be one in the FreeBSD tree :-) Another can be found on the Motorola web-site, buried in the 68302 development toolbox. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 559747-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 559747-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de 22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Fri Jan 22 01:32:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA15255 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:32:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA15247 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:32:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ernie!bert.kts.org!hm@ppp.net) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc2.ppp.net [194.64.12.42]) by mail.ppp.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA15138; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:32:01 +0100 Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m103cwb-002ZjZC; Fri, 22 Jan 99 10:32 MET Received: from bert.kts.org([194.55.156.2]) (1849 bytes) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with P:smtp/R:smart_host/T:uux (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:08:57 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #3 built 1998-Dec-9) Received: from localhost (1404 bytes) by bert.kts.org via sendmail with P:stdio/R:smart_host/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:08:58 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #4 built 1998-Dec-26) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: D-channel communications In-Reply-To: <199901210627.WAA28226@bubba.whistle.com> from Archie Cobbs at "Jan 20, 1999 10:27: 0 pm" To: archie@whistle.com (Archie Cobbs) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:08:58 +0100 (CET) Cc: avalon@advicom.net, marcel@scc.nl, isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Archie Cobbs wrote: > http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-pppext-aodi-00.txt I doubt that a normal human being in Europe will ever using this given the current ISDN pricing over here. In an ideal world, where i don't have to pay for using X.31 on the D-channel and have a flat rate on my 2 B-channels it would be nice to have. On the other hand, almost all the benefits mentioned in the paper are mostly available right now, with the exception of that 16Kbit D-channel for data transfer in addition to 128kbits for the 2 B-channels and the possibly shorter connection setup time. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe We all live in a yellow subroutine, yellow subroutine, yellow subroutine ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Fri Jan 22 01:35:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA15810 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:35:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from uni-sb.de (uni-sb.de [134.96.252.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA15805 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:35:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netchild@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE) Received: from cs.uni-sb.de (cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.252.31]) by uni-sb.de (8.9.2/1999010400) with ESMTP id JAA04373; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:51:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from wurzelausix (wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de [134.96.247.1]) by cs.uni-sb.de (8.9.2/1999010400) with ESMTP id JAA01058; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:51:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de (IDENT:mGdRCRQBp5Zrdu8bqBWsNisDtiLNHKM+@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wurzelausix (8.9.1/wjp/19980821) with ESMTP id JAA22410; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:51:28 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199901220851.JAA22410@wurzelausix> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:51:26 +0100 (CET) From: Alexander Leidinger Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_FritzCard_and_PPP_doesn=B4t_work....?= To: domi@saargate.de cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 21 Jan, Dominik Brettnacher wrote: > local-phone-incoming = 06868180051 > remote-phone-incoming = 0686193630 > local-phone-dialout = 06868180051 > remote-phone-dialout = 0686193630 I assume 0686 is your own "Ortsvorwahl". I`m not 100% sure, but I think you didn`t need it (at least it works without in my system). > I try to get a connection with these commands: > > ifconfig isp0 link1 0.0.0.0 193.158.76.64 netmask 0xffffff00 debug > ifconfig isp0 down > spppcontrol isp0 myauthproto=pap myauthname=xxxxx myauthsecret="xxxxx" You have to - add hisauthsecret=none or to - provide hisauthname=zzz hisauthsecret=yyy to spppcontrol. > ifconfig isp0 up > route add default -interface isp0 Bye, Alexander. -- http://netchild.home.pages.de A.Leidinger @ wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Fri Jan 22 09:14:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09572 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:14:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dominik.saargate.de (odo.saargate.de [193.158.76.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09561 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:14:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from domi@saargate.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dominik.saargate.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA02115; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:13:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from domi@saargate.de) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:13:51 +0100 (CET) From: Dominik Brettnacher To: "netchild@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE" cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FritzCard and PPP=?ISO-8859-1?Q?_doesn=A5t?= work.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id JAA09568 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, netchild@wurzelausix.CS.Uni-SB.DE wrote: > >> local-phone-incoming = 06868180051 > >> remote-phone-incoming = 0686193630 > >> local-phone-dialout = 06868180051 > >> remote-phone-dialout = 0686193630 > I assume 0686 is your own "Ortsvorwahl". I`m not 100% sure, but I think > you didn`t need it (at least it works without in my system). Luckily, it works now, although i didnīt change those numbers.... I think I have to set up these things once again from scratch to see how it works really........ -- Dominik To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Fri Jan 22 17:07:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14893 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:07:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx2.dmz.fedex.com (mx2.dmz.fedex.com [199.81.194.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA14861 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 17:06:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wam@mohawk.dpd.fedex.com) Received: from mx1.zmd.fedex.com (sendmail@mx1.zmd.fedex.com [199.82.159.10]) by mx2.dmz.fedex.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA29705 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:06:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from s07.sa.fedex.com (root@s07.sa.fedex.com [199.81.124.17]) by mx1.zmd.fedex.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA22610 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:06:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from mohawk.dpd.fedex.com (mohawk.dpd.fedex.com [199.81.74.121]) by s07.sa.fedex.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA19361 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:06:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199901230106.TAA19361@s07.sa.fedex.com> To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: I4B support for US ISDN? Organization: Federal Express Data Protection Distributed Projects Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 19:06:35 -0600 From: William McVey Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Several months ago I found out through this list that the current ISDN for BSD package does not support the ISDN protocols in use in the US. It was explained that documentation was lacking for the US ISDN low level protocols. Subsequent to that, some references* to for ISDN in the US were mailed to the list. I was wondering if these resources were enough to begin doing the port to the US protocols? Also, I could make available account access to a freebsd box which system which could be connected to the serial console of another machine with an USR Sportster TA connected to a a US NT1 switch. This would give someone in Europe the ability to test their code out in the US without incuring international ISDN charges. -- William * The two references which seemed to have the most content were Bellcore's site at http://www.bellcore.com/ISDN/ and the North American ISDN Users' Forum at http://www.niuf.nist.gov/misc/niuf.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Sat Jan 23 05:04:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29508 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 05:04:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aw.ivm.net (mail.ivm.net [195.78.161.2] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29503 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 05:04:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ap@bnc.net) Received: from gemini.bnc.net (gemini.bnc.net [195.247.233.33]) by aw.ivm.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27609; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:04:08 +0100 X-To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Received: (from ap@localhost) by gemini.bnc.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA16324; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:04:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ap) From: Achim Patzner Message-Id: <199901231304.OAA16324@gemini.bnc.net> Subject: Re: I4B support for US ISDN? In-Reply-To: <199901230106.TAA19361@s07.sa.fedex.com> from William McVey at "Jan 22, 1999 7: 6:35 pm" To: wam@sa.fedex.com (William McVey) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:04:15 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Also, I could make available account access to a freebsd box which > system which could be connected to the serial console of another > machine with an USR Sportster TA connected to a a US NT1 switch. Pretty useless, don't you think? I've got a number of USR TAs ion the shelves myself. You should rather set up a machine containing an AVM A1 or the like... > This would give someone in Europe the ability to test their code > out in the US without incuring international ISDN charges. How? You don't have much to do with ISDN running a TA - that's the TA's job. Noses. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Sat Jan 23 06:46:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07716 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 06:46:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA07711 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 06:46:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from martin@rumolt.teuto.de) Received: from rumolt.teuto.de (root@rumolt.teuto.de [212.8.203.81]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA08663; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 15:46:42 +0100 Received: from hwart (hwart.teuto.de [212.8.203.83]) by rumolt.teuto.de (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA02415; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 15:40:55 +0100 (MET) From: "Martin Husemann" To: "Achim Patzner" , "William McVey" Cc: Subject: RE: I4B support for US ISDN? Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 15:40:55 +0100 Message-ID: <000101be46de$620b14d0$53cb08d4@hwart.teuto.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199901231304.OAA16324@gemini.bnc.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Also, I could make available account access to a freebsd box which > > system which could be connected to the serial console of another > > machine with an USR Sportster TA connected to a a US NT1 switch. > > Pretty useless, don't you think? I've got a number of USR TAs ion the > shelves myself. You should rather set up a machine containing an AVM A1 or > the like... This depends on exact thing he is talking about: the "USR Sportster ISDN TA intern" is in fact just a dumb passive ISDN card, just like the AVM A1. A real (active) TA would, of course, be totaly useless. Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Sat Jan 23 09:05:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22726 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:05:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcsext.hcs.de (hcsext.hcs.de [194.123.40.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22718 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:05:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de([192.76.124.5]) (3706 bytes) by hcsext.hcs.de via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:05:22 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.104 1998-Nov-20 #1 built 1998-Dec-11) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m1046Ur-00006RC; Sat, 23 Jan 99 18:05 MET Message-Id: From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: I4B support for US ISDN? In-Reply-To: <199901230106.TAA19361@s07.sa.fedex.com> from William McVey at "Jan 22, 99 07:06:35 pm" To: wam@sa.fedex.com (William McVey) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:05:20 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From the keyboard of William McVey: > Several months ago I found out through this list that the current > ISDN for BSD package does not support the ISDN protocols in use in > the US. It was explained that documentation was lacking for the > US ISDN low level protocols. Subsequent to that, some references* > to for ISDN in the US were mailed to the list. I was wondering if > these resources were enough to begin doing the port to the US > protocols? Hmm, i'd like to ask a different set of questions: 1) What is the most widely used ISDN protocol stack in the US ? 2) What are the the Part-, Order- or Standard numbers for the description of the D-channel layer one, two and three for the protocol answered by (1) and where can i get a copy of them (without paying $$$) ? When i get answers to these questions, i'll try to get the docs for the D-channel protocol. After reading those docs, i'll probably be able to answer _your_ question :-) > Also, I could make available account access to a freebsd box which > system which could be connected to the serial console of another > machine with an USR Sportster TA connected to a a US NT1 switch. In case this is an external TA connected to your machine with a serial cable, this does not help much - anyway, thanks for the offer! What is needed is a FreeBSD machine with a passive card using the standard Siemens chipset connected to an ISDN S0 bus or U ref point. Currently i have no idea, whether in the US the S0 bus or U ref point is the preferred connection (last time i was in the US i looked at Fry's and found only U connected US-made cards). I know that some of the same cards i4b currently supports are sold in the US with an U-interface, _that_ would be an ideal starting point. If there were a good hardware setup, docs available, a reasonable chance to get it run and a (good [i'm getting old ;-)]) place to sleep, i'd even come over for a week or two and implement it ..... > * The two references which seemed to have the most content were Bellcore's > site at http://www.bellcore.com/ISDN/ and the North American ISDN Users' > Forum at http://www.niuf.nist.gov/misc/niuf.html I've scanned them, i even have downloaded a couple of ISDN standards from US ISDN sites, but either question 1 and/or 2 were not answered by reading them. It is at least difficult to find authorative answers to those questions from Europe. Over here i at least had a chance to tap an S0 bus, look at the data on the D-channel and compare that to standard texts until i found the right one ;-) hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 559747-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 559747-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de 22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Sat Jan 23 14:12:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23418 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:12:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23400 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:12:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id OAA23203; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com( 207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023201; Sat, 23 Jan 99 14:12:15 -0800 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id OAA19659; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:12:15 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199901232212.OAA19659@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: I4B support for US ISDN? In-Reply-To: from Hellmuth Michaelis at "Jan 23, 99 06:05:20 pm" To: hm@hcs.de Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:12:15 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hellmuth Michaelis writes: > Hmm, i'd like to ask a different set of questions: > > 1) What is the most widely used ISDN protocol stack in the US ? NI-1 (stands for "National ISDN-1" standard), which attempts to standardize ISDN in the U.S. This covers (I'm guessing) probably about 70-90% of the switches out there (and slowly increasing). Legacy variants include proprietary Nortel DMS-100, AT&T 5ESS, AT&T 5ESS Custom, and Siemens. > 2) What are the the Part-, Order- or Standard numbers for the > description of the D-channel layer one, two and three for the > protocol answered by (1) and where can i get a copy of them > (without paying $$$) ? Bellcore publishes the NI-1 spec.. I don't have the reference off hand. Layer 2 should be almost exactly the same as ETSI. Layer 3 is of course different. I will try to get a list of the relevant specs. > In case this is an external TA connected to your machine with a serial > cable, this does not help much - anyway, thanks for the offer! What > is needed is a FreeBSD machine with a passive card using the standard > Siemens chipset connected to an ISDN S0 bus or U ref point. Currently > i have no idea, whether in the US the S0 bus or U ref point is the > preferred connection (last time i was in the US i looked at Fry's and > found only U connected US-made cards). I know that some of the same > cards i4b currently supports are sold in the US with an U-interface, > _that_ would be an ideal starting point. The phone company only provides up to a U-interface. Also, almost no consumers actually use ISDN telephones. Combine those two things, and the result is that most ISDN lines are only used as a dedicated data connection, and hence most store bought ISDN networking equipment has a U interface. Not many people buy NT1 equipment. On the other hand, from Layer 3 point of view it shouldn't make any difference whether its S or U interface. > If there were a good hardware setup, docs available, a reasonable > chance to get it run and a (good [i'm getting old ;-)]) place to sleep, > i'd even come over for a week or two and implement it ..... > > > * The two references which seemed to have the most content were Bellcore's > > site at http://www.bellcore.com/ISDN/ and the North American ISDN Users' > > Forum at http://www.niuf.nist.gov/misc/niuf.html > > I've scanned them, i even have downloaded a couple of ISDN standards from > US ISDN sites, but either question 1 and/or 2 were not answered by reading > them. I'll try to find out the definitive list of standards you need. ... On another topic.. we've released a beta of the netgraph code: ftp://ftp.whistle.com/pub/archie/misc/netgraph.tgz This code would be perfect for use with ISDN... In fact, we've already implemented it, but are using 3rd party ISDN code that we can't publish. However, we can show you what the ISDN node API looks like. If you implemented the same thing, then mpd (ie, our PPP daemon which is already public) would suddenly start working over your ISDN code as it does ours. We also have a fun little program to make analog calls from the command line and have the output go to the speaker, etc.. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Sat Jan 23 16:05:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06113 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:05:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06076 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:05:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id QAA23833 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:05:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com( 207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V2.0) id xma023827; Sat, 23 Jan 99 16:05:25 -0800 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id QAA21341 for freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:05:25 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199901240005.QAA21341@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: I4B support for US ISDN? In-Reply-To: <199901232212.OAA19659@bubba.whistle.com> from Archie Cobbs at "Jan 23, 99 02:12:15 pm" To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:05:25 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Archie Cobbs writes: > On another topic.. we've released a beta of the netgraph code: > > ftp://ftp.whistle.com/pub/archie/misc/netgraph.tgz > > This code would be perfect for use with ISDN... In fact, we've > already implemented it, but are using 3rd party ISDN code that > we can't publish. > > However, we can show you what the ISDN node API looks like. If you > implemented the same thing, then mpd (ie, our PPP daemon which is > already public) would suddenly start working over your ISDN code > as it does ours. I should add that the main benefit here is you get to bond together both B channels with multi-link PPP to get 128K throughput.. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Sat Jan 23 17:27:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15972 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:27:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from vespucci.advicom.net (vespucci.advicom.net [199.170.120.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15959 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:27:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from avalon@vespucci.advicom.net) Received: from localhost (avalon@localhost) by vespucci.advicom.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA22956; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:26:33 -0600 (CST) X-Envelope-Recipient: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:26:33 -0600 (CST) From: Avalon Books To: William McVey cc: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I4B support for US ISDN? In-Reply-To: <199901230106.TAA19361@s07.sa.fedex.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, William McVey wrote: > * The two references which seemed to have the most content were Bellcore's > site at http://www.bellcore.com/ISDN/ and the North American ISDN Users' > Forum at http://www.niuf.nist.gov/misc/niuf.html Lucky for us in the U.S., we can use the existing PPP code for our TA's, or switch to routers (my personal favorite), making I4B needlessly redundant. And as expected, your inquiry has drawn a less-than- enthusiastic response from our european counter-parts. I have no idea why they give Americans such a frosty reception when we express an interest in ISDN... Lately, I've been testing an Alpha Telecom UTA120 terminal adapter connected to a Boca Research IO650 card (16C650 UARTS), using the existing serial port and PPP code without modification. It runs great and through-put is exactly as expected. My new router (the Mucho 3) comes in next month (combo ISDN router and Ethernet Hub)... After reviewing the I4B package myself (with the help of my engineering contacts), I have yet to see where it would provide substantially better support for our (U.S.) ISDN equipment over the existing packages within the "stock" FreeBSD distributions--though I4B shows the marks of both excellent programming and proper research (hats off the the authors). Of course, we don't normally have to deal with the issue of fully self-supporting drivers. Virtually all the ISDN equipment available in the U.S. is connected via seri~al (aka Terminal Adapter) or Ethernet (aka Router). I4B seems to be a good choice if you have something that doesn't fall into either category. -- R. Pelletier Sys Admin, House Galiagante We are a Micro$oft-free site. P.S. Take a look: http://advicom.net/~avalon/house.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isdn Sat Jan 23 17:32:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16502 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:32:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16497 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:32:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id RAA24511 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:32:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com( 207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V2.0) id xma024505; Sat, 23 Jan 99 17:32:21 -0800 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA22816 for freebsd-isdn@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:32:21 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199901240132.RAA22816@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Driver for Digi Datafire ISA board To: freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:32:21 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just curious.. How many people would be interested in having a driver for the Digi Datafire internal ISDN board (ISA bus)? This would be a netgraph node that mpd (multi-link PPP daemon) knows how to talk to. Not sure if I could distribute the source, it might have to just be a KLD module for now. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message