From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 10 03:45:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA08802 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 03:45:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from leaf.lumiere.net (leaf.lumiere.net [207.218.152.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA08797 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 03:45:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@leaf.lumiere.net) Received: (from j@localhost) by leaf.lumiere.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA05440; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 03:45:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 03:45:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jesse To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RAID Planning Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm in the process of planning the building and setup of a series of new servers which we want to have disk redundancy via RAID. I was wondering if anyone could share their experiences regarding using Mylex external SCSI-to-SCSI RAID solutions with FreeBSD-STABLE. I'm considering either taking that route or sticking with what we have now, which is DPT cards. Also, is anyone aware of any papers/discussions detailing the benefits and disadvantages of SCSI-to-SCSI RAID vs. normal RAID (i.e., RAID card sits in the computer's card slots). Thanks for help, --- Jesse http://www.lumiere.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 10 07:16:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA00655 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 07:16:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rs1s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (rs1s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net [200.44.32.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA00645 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 07:16:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lem@cantv.net) Received: from lg (tc3r9-030.ras.cha.cantv.net [200.44.9.30]) by rs1s2.datacenter.cha.cantv.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/1.0) with SMTP id LAA21764; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:16:05 -0400 (VET) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990110105804.011d25a0@pop.cantv.net> X-Sender: lem@pop.cantv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:58:04 -0400 To: Angelo Nardone , "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" From: Luis Munoz Subject: Re: e-mail server In-Reply-To: <3693A4E6.631F4F00@adinet.com.uy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My advice would be: (1) Stick to FreeBSD no matter what. (2) You need memory. When I do capacity planning for this, I aim for 10% simultaneous users at the box. For something like this, I would use some 256M to have spare legroom. (3) CPU consumption might not be a big issue with today's deals. A PII@256MHz will do very well. (4) If you have the budget, consider a RAID for storing the email. I don't have experience with RAID cards but we use here external RAID systems that look to the server as a single big and fast disk. Keep in mind that disk might very well be your problem. You need a bunch of space AND very good I/O response. (5) The choice of MTA software (sendmail, qmail, etc) is more of a religious choice :) I would go with sendmail and deliver mail to the mailboxes with a patched procmail so that it provides 'maildir' delivery. This makes it easy to share mail stores among machines for redundancy, load balancing, etc. You'll need a POP server that accept this format. It could be a patched POP server from qmail, so that it properly logs to syslog. I don't know about web-mail, so I have no advice about this one. Regards and good luck. -lem At 03:01 PM 06/01/99 -0300, Angelo Nardone wrote: >Could someone help me ? >I need to make an e-mail server for 40.000 users. I'll plan to use >sendmail in a FreeBSD box with web-mail. >I'll very appreciate comments. Like i must use the user account or use a > >database for the mail, how arrange the directories for that amount of >user, quotas, etc. >Thanks. > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > ----- (ASP) Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) announced today that the release of its productivity suite, Office 2000, will be delayed until the first quarter of 1901. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 10 09:11:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12488 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 09:11:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12447 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 09:11:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21195; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:12:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:09:48 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Hovey To: Luis Munoz cc: Angelo Nardone , "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: e-mail server In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990110105804.011d25a0@pop.cantv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If I had to do something that large.. I would try the dnew's peoples dmail - it comes with a popper and a web gateway for web based email, and it databases incoming email kinda like dnews does for news, and it doesnt invoke a separate process for each client, which saves on ram. I havent tried it - I use MMDF and havent thought up a good transitional plan yet.. but I do use dnews and that is pretty kick fanny! :) On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Luis Munoz wrote: > > My advice would be: > > (1) Stick to FreeBSD no matter what. > (2) You need memory. When I do capacity planning for this, I > aim for 10% simultaneous users at the box. For something > like this, I would use some 256M to have spare legroom. > (3) CPU consumption might not be a big issue with today's deals. > A PII@256MHz will do very well. > (4) If you have the budget, consider a RAID for storing the email. > I don't have experience with RAID cards but we use here > external RAID systems that look to the server as a single > big and fast disk. Keep in mind that disk might very well > be your problem. You need a bunch of space AND very good > I/O response. > (5) The choice of MTA software (sendmail, qmail, etc) is more of > a religious choice :) I would go with sendmail and deliver > mail to the mailboxes with a patched procmail so that it > provides 'maildir' delivery. This makes it easy to share > mail stores among machines for redundancy, load balancing, > etc. You'll need a POP server that accept this format. > It could be a patched POP server from qmail, so that it > properly logs to syslog. > > I don't know about web-mail, so I have no advice about this one. > > Regards and good luck. > > -lem > > At 03:01 PM 06/01/99 -0300, Angelo Nardone wrote: > >Could someone help me ? > >I need to make an e-mail server for 40.000 users. I'll plan to use > >sendmail in a FreeBSD box with web-mail. > >I'll very appreciate comments. Like i must use the user account or use a > > > >database for the mail, how arrange the directories for that amount of > >user, quotas, etc. > >Thanks. > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > ----- > (ASP) Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) announced today > that the release of its productivity suite, Office > 2000, will be delayed until the first quarter of > 1901. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Hovey Chief Network Administrator BuffNET More Than Just a Connection! ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 10 22:38:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14733 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:38:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gway.dimpex.com.au (gway.dimpex.com.au [203.36.169.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA14728 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:38:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from apk@dimpex.com.au) Received: by STKILDA-RD with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:42:36 +1100 Message-ID: <71E707C9355FD211872F000044049AEA9661@STKILDA-RD> From: Andrew P Kaszubski Jnr To: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: re Time incorrect. Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:42:35 +1100 Importance: low X-Priority: 5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am having a problem with a FreeBSD2.2.2 server which is reporting the time of emails 10 hours ahead of what it is supposed to be. It appears to only be a pop3 date problem since when the email is opened the time is correct. I presume this has something to do with the time zone since the time on the server is correct. We are located in Melbourne Australia. Which timezone are we supposed to be using, what files should I be modifying? Thanks in advance. Andrew apk@dimpex.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 10 23:12:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18802 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 23:12:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from corp.au.triax.com (slwag2p19.ozemail.com.au [203.108.157.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18793 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 23:12:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@corp.au.triax.com) Received: from localhost (jim@localhost) by corp.au.triax.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA02230; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:11:45 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:11:45 +1100 (EST) From: Jim Mock To: Andrew P Kaszubski Jnr cc: "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: re Time incorrect. In-Reply-To: <71E707C9355FD211872F000044049AEA9661@STKILDA-RD> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Andrew P Kaszubski Jnr wrote: > I am having a problem with a FreeBSD2.2.2 server which is reporting > the time of emails 10 hours ahead of what it is supposed to be. > It appears to only be a pop3 date problem since when the email is > opened the time is correct. > > I presume this has something to do with the time zone since the > time on the server is correct. > > We are located in Melbourne Australia. Which timezone are we > supposed to be using, what files should I be modifying? > An easy way to do it is through /stand/sysinstall, choose Configure, Time Zone, Australia, Victoria. -- : Jim Mock | [jim@corp.au.triax.com] : : System Administrator | http://www.triax.com/ : : Triax Internet Services | ----------------------------- : : Portland, OR USA | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve : : Wagga Wagga, NSW Australia | http://www.freebsd.org/ : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 10 23:37:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA22199 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 23:37:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from inet.chip-web.com (c1003518-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [24.1.82.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA22194 for ; Sun, 10 Jan 1999 23:37:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ludwigp@bigfoot.com) Received: (qmail 21572 invoked from network); 11 Jan 1999 07:37:10 -0000 Received: from speedy.chip-web.com (HELO speedy) (172.16.1.1) by inet.chip-web.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 1999 07:37:10 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.19990110233441.009f0590@mail-r> X-Sender: ludwigp2@mail-r X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 X-Priority: 5 (Lowest) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 23:37:06 -0800 To: Andrew P Kaszubski Jnr , "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" From: Ludwig Pummer Subject: Re: re Time incorrect. In-Reply-To: <71E707C9355FD211872F000044049AEA9661@STKILDA-RD> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:42 PM 1/10/99 , Andrew P Kaszubski Jnr wrote: >I am having a problem with a FreeBSD2.2.2 server which is reporting the time >of emails 10 hours ahead of what it is supposed to be. >It appears to only be a pop3 date problem since when the email is opened the >time is correct. POP3 servers don't change the contents of mail, except maybe to add a Status: header to it. Perhaps 1) the time is being reported in UTC time, which is perfectly OK for email 2) your MUA "interprets" the time given in the email and translates it to your local time zone. --Ludwig Pummer ( ludwigp@bigfoot.com ) ICQ UIN: 692441 ( ludwigp@email.com ) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 11 01:02:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03051 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 01:02:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gjp.erols.com (alex-va-n008c079.moon.jic.com [206.156.18.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA03043 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 01:02:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) Received: from gjp.erols.com (localhost.erols.com [127.0.0.1]) by gjp.erols.com (8.9.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA08199; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 04:01:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gjp@gjp.erols.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Jim Mock cc: Andrew P Kaszubski Jnr , "'freebsd-isp@freebsd.org'" From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: re Time incorrect. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:11:45 +1100." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 04:01:56 -0500 Message-ID: <8195.916045316@gjp.erols.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jim Mock wrote in message ID : > An easy way to do it is through /stand/sysinstall, choose Configure, > Time Zone, Australia, Victoria. Or just run /usr/sbin/tzsetup as root... Gary -- Gary Palmer FreeBSD Core Team Member FreeBSD: Turning PC's into workstations. See http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/ for info To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 11 04:18:31 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA24975 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 04:18:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from prometheus.smlt.com (prometheus.smlt.com [195.172.80.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA24956; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 04:18:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from quintin@smlt.com) Received: from orion.smlt.com (orion.smlt.com [195.172.80.149]) by prometheus.smlt.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA09356; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:23:21 GMT Received: from localhost (quintin@localhost) by orion.smlt.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA04270; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:16:41 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:16:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Quintin Oliver To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Connect speed on FreeBSD. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings! We run a local ISP powered by FreeBSD 2.2.8 and 3.0, our users connect to FreeBSD on 2.2.8 on modem dial. The modems are Modular Technologies V.90 compliant, however, many of our users have reported that they can only connect at about 31k to 35k a second, that is there actuall connect speed NOT BANDWIDTH from the net. I've checked our configuation over and over again, we are using Mgetty and we are asking it to connect the users at 57600?? Does anyone have any ideas on fixing this and/or running diagnostics on the modems and hardware themselfs? Many Thanks, Quintin. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 11 05:19:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA01606 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 05:19:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA01595; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 05:19:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA07404; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:09:05 GMT Message-ID: <3699F7BF.CA899327@tdx.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:08:15 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX - The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Quintin Oliver CC: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Connect speed on FreeBSD. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quintin Oliver wrote: > > Greetings! > > We run a local ISP powered by FreeBSD 2.2.8 and 3.0, our users connect to > FreeBSD on 2.2.8 on modem dial. The modems are Modular Technologies V.90 > compliant, however, many of our users have reported that they can only > connect at about 31k to 35k a second, that is there actuall connect speed > NOT BANDWIDTH from the net. I've checked our configuation over and over > again, we are using Mgetty and we are asking it to connect the users at > 57600?? MGetty only controls the speed at which the system talks to the modem, not the speed at which your modem talks to the other modem... > Does anyone have any ideas on fixing this and/or running diagnostics on > the modems and hardware themselfs? Hmmm... If they're V.90 you do realise that your end has to be fed off a PRI or equivalent type feed? e.g. 2 x V.90 modems will only do 33k6 tops to each other unless one side is connected of a bulk/PRI/ISDN type feed... We have an X2 modem plugged into our ISDN line here, which does 56k, however another counterpart K56Flex will only do 33k6, as it's plugged into a POTS line (plain old telephone). -Kp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 11 06:43:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10741 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:43:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA10732 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:43:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.8) with UUCP id JAA23508 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:42:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA23372 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:25:47 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199901111325.IAA23372@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: Connect speed on FreeBSD. In-Reply-To: from Quintin Oliver at "Jan 11, 99 01:16:41 pm" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:25:47 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quintin Oliver recently said: > Greetings! > > We run a local ISP powered by FreeBSD 2.2.8 and 3.0, our users > connect to FreeBSD on 2.2.8 on modem dial. The modems are Modular > Technologies V.90 compliant, however, many of our users have > reported that they can only connect at about 31k to 35k a second, > that is there actuall connect speed NOT BANDWIDTH from the net. > I've checked our configuation over and over again, we are using > Mgetty and we are asking it to connect the users at 57600?? > Does anyone have any ideas on fixing this and/or running > diagnostics on the modems and hardware themselfs? You don't understand how 56K connections work. Two 56K modems talking to one another, will only conncect at the 33.3K rate. That is because of the line encoding. Going back to "Shannon's Law" a classic on information transmission, the theoretical limit on analog lines is only about 35-36K. 56K is possible to RECEIVE with an add-on modem >>IF<< the transmitting side has a device that is connected digitally to the phone company, and that will mean a PRI connection to your device. On the ISP's side, the signal will leave the device that is attached to the PRI (something along the lines of a Max Ascend or similar) and will remain in a digital format until it reaches the customer modem. This is also the reason you can't uplink to a 56K compliant site. The process of convernting the computers digital signal to an analog signal by the modem (mod stands for modulate where the digital signal is converted to analog form), and the has to be reconverted at the target. You'll really need a device that connects with a PRI, and install a PRI. Locally PRIs are in the high hundreds $800+ month. One line will get you 23 modems and a control channel, or 11 128k ISDN lines, or any combination. I'm not familiar with the Modular Technologies devices - but you did say "modem". If, OTOH, you do have a digital connection and you are not seeing anything fast, there are certain places where telcos cluster phones, and then connect these mini-clusers back to the main CO. In those instances the maximum you can ever expect is 33K as there are addtioinal DA and AD conversions in the line. 56K can only have ONE DA in the line. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 11 09:21:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01477 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:21:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from commnet.accn.org (commnet.accn.org [207.73.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01472 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:21:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ryanm@accn.org) Received: from accn.org (nt1.accn.org [207.73.64.8]) by commnet.accn.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA04166 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:20:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <369A3284.AE26D08D@accn.org> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:19:00 -0500 From: ryanm X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: chroot wu_ftp?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, I recently asked how to chroot() my ftp server. I got several responses from ppl recommending proftp and I tried it. Solaris 2.5.1 has a nasty bug though and I cannot create the /dev directories in every user's home directory. I am wondering if there is a way I can limit certain users to there home directory and only there home directory?? Is there something like a /etc/ftpchroot file?? I would appreciate any info anyone can get back to me on this. Please mail me directly. thank you very much, Ryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 11 10:43:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10150 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:43:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roble.com (gw4.roble.com [199.108.85.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10145 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:43:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sendmail@roble.com) Received: from roble3.roble.com (roble3.roble.com [207.5.40.53]) by roble.com (Roble1b) with SMTP id KAA06200; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:42:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:42:12 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Marquis To: ryanm cc: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: chroot wu_ftp?? In-Reply-To: <369A3284.AE26D08D@accn.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I recently asked how to chroot() my ftp server. I got several responses > from ppl recommending proftp and I tried it. Solaris 2.5.1 has a nasty > bug though and I cannot create the /dev directories in every user's > home directory. We've done this under every version of Solaris and SunOS since 4.02. What bug are you referring to? > I am wondering if there is a way I can limit certain > users to there home directory and only there home directory?? Is there > something like a /etc/ftpchroot file?? Under FreeBSD you'll need to `man ftpd`. Under Solaris install the wu-ftp package from http://sunfreeware.com/. Roger Marquis Roble Systems consulting http://www.roble.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 11 11:22:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15015 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:22:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mimas.eclipse.net.uk (mimas.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15008 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:22:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuart@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (mimas.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.17]) by mimas.eclipse.net.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA07168; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:20:37 GMT Message-ID: <369A4F03.DABEA2FC@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:20:36 +0000 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Vermillion CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Connect speed on FreeBSD. References: <199901111325.IAA23372@bilver.magicnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Vermillion wrote: > > You'll really need a device that connects with a PRI, and install a > PRI. Locally PRIs are in the high hundreds $800+ month. One line > will get you 23 modems and a control channel, or 11 128k ISDN lines, > or any combination. Or for a small-scale setup you can use something like Courier I-modems connected to BRI. I believe you can also get PCI-based v90 server modems for connecting to BRI's but I don't think they've got BSD drivers for those... Lots of background info at http://www.56k.com/ HTH Stuart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 11 15:05:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15063 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:05:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from host07.rwsystems.net (kasie.rwsystems.net [209.197.192.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA15042; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:05:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwyatt@RWSystems.net) Received: from kasie.rwsystems.net([209.197.192.103]) (1801 bytes) by host07.rwsystems.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:46:41 -0600 (CST) (Smail-3.2.0.104 1998-Nov-20 #1 built 1998-Dec-24) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:46:39 -0600 (CST) From: James Wyatt To: Quintin Oliver cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Connect speed on FreeBSD. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Quintin Oliver wrote: > Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:16:41 +0000 (GMT) > From: Quintin Oliver > Subject: Connect speed on FreeBSD. > > Greetings! > > We run a local ISP powered by FreeBSD 2.2.8 and 3.0, our users connect to > FreeBSD on 2.2.8 on modem dial. The modems are Modular Technologies V.90 > compliant, however, many of our users have reported that they can only > connect at about 31k to 35k a second, that is there actuall connect speed > NOT BANDWIDTH from the net. I've checked our configuation over and over > again, we are using Mgetty and we are asking it to connect the users at > 57600?? Remember that 56K modems are asymetric(sp?) and *ONLY* do 33.6 from an analog transmitter. This means that, unless your server has modems on *digital* circuits (PRI, BRI, T1, etc...) with mostly 8-bit clean paths, you will never get near 56K. If these are both modems plugged into analog POTS ports, you are getting about the best throughput you can expect. I usually tell people that their off-the-shelf modem can only *receive* 56K, but is limited to 33.6 transmit. Hope this helps the understanding. - Jy@ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 11 16:50:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29206 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:50:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from office.omc.net (office.omc.net [195.185.142.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29197 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:50:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from LutzRab@omc.net) Received: from lutz (lutz.omc.net [195.185.142.3]) by office.omc.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA14001 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 01:49:44 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199901120049.BAA14001@office.omc.net> From: "Lutz Rabing" Organization: OMCnet IS GmbH To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 01:49:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: BIND named 4.9.7-T1B too many open files Reply-to: LutzRab@omc.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We just upgraded one of our systems to 2.2.8 and get this message from named: ------ Jan 12 01:25:32 named[827]: starting. named 4.9.7-T1B Mon Nov 30 03:56:49 GMT 1998 jkh@time.cdrom.com:/usr/o bj/usr/src/usr.sbin/named Jan 12 01:25:32 abc named[827]: fcntl(dfd, F_DUPFD, 20): Too many open files Jan 12 01:25:32 abc last message repeated 13 times Jan 12 01:25:34 abc named[828]: Ready to answer queries. Jan 12 01:25:34 abc named[828]: Return from getdtablesize() > FD_SETSIZE ------ The machine is a webserver with 250 IPs aliased to the nic. If we add more IP's to the system named refuses to start. Has someone had the same experience? I checked the source of bind and could not find something about a limit of open files. Lutz Rabing -OMCnet- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Lutz Rabing -OMCnet- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 11 17:24:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03449 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:22:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03439 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:22:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA18015; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:51:33 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id LAA31417; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:51:31 +1030 (CST) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:51:31 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Andrew P Kaszubski Jnr Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: re Time incorrect. Message-ID: <19990112115131.P8886@freebie.lemis.com> References: <71E707C9355FD211872F000044049AEA9661@STKILDA-RD> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <71E707C9355FD211872F000044049AEA9661@STKILDA-RD>; from Andrew P Kaszubski Jnr on Mon, Jan 11, 1999 at 05:42:35PM +1100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, 11 January 1999 at 17:42:35 +1100, Andrew P Kaszubski Jnr wrote: > I am having a problem with a FreeBSD2.2.2 server which is reporting the time > of emails 10 hours ahead of what it is supposed to be. That's interesting. I would have expected 11 hours. > It appears to only be a pop3 date problem since when the email is > opened the time is correct. Can you send me the complete headers of a message? As somebody else observed, POP doesn't change much. On the other hand, it's very common to see incorrect times and time zones from Microsoft machines. > I presume this has something to do with the time zone since the time > on the server is correct. It's a pity you used Microsoft to send this message, since otherwise I could check that. > We are located in Melbourne Australia. Which timezone are we supposed to be > using, +1100 (AEST) > what files should I be modifying? # cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/Australia/Melbourne /etc/localtime Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 11 18:45:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13019 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:45:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from java.dpcsys.com (java.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13014 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:44:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dpcsys.com) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by java.dpcsys.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA17660; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:44:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:44:11 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: Lutz Rabing cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BIND named 4.9.7-T1B too many open files In-Reply-To: <199901120049.BAA14001@office.omc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Lutz Rabing wrote: > We just upgraded one of our systems to 2.2.8 and get this message from named: > > ------ > Jan 12 01:25:32 named[827]: starting. named 4.9.7-T1B Mon Nov 30 03:56:49 GMT 1998 jkh@time.cdrom.com:/usr/o > bj/usr/src/usr.sbin/named > Jan 12 01:25:32 abc named[827]: fcntl(dfd, F_DUPFD, 20): Too many open files > Jan 12 01:25:32 abc last message repeated 13 times > Jan 12 01:25:34 abc named[828]: Ready to answer queries. > Jan 12 01:25:34 abc named[828]: Return from getdtablesize() > FD_SETSIZE > ------ > > The machine is a webserver with 250 IPs aliased to the nic. If we add more IP's > to the system named refuses to start. Upgrade bind to 8.1.2 and use the listen-on option to keep bind from binding to every IP on the box. listen-on { 5.6.7.8; }; BTW, named has always had this limit, it wasn't the upgrade to 2.2.8 that caused it. Dan -- Dan Busarow 949 443 4172 Dana Point Communications, Inc. dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 11 22:17:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02311 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:17:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from www.webfront.net.au (www.webfront.net.au [203.23.200.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02298 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:17:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bargi@webfront.net.au) Received: from bargi (bargi.webfront.net.au [203.23.200.29]) by www.webfront.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA29855 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:14:41 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199901120614.RAA29855@www.webfront.net.au> X-Sender: bargi@webfront.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:16:58 +1100 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Ray Brighenti Subject: subscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 12 00:40:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA17001 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:40:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from doriath.saers.com ([194.248.7.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA16995 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:40:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from berenmls@saers.com) Received: from niklas (karon.elanders.no [194.143.3.10]) by doriath.saers.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22927 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:40:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from berenmls@saers.com) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19990112094548.0119c5e0@pop.saers.com> X-Sender: berenmls@pop.saers.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:45:48 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Niklas Saers Subject: Mail & Virus Scan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. I was wondering if anybody of you have set up a mail-system where each incoming mail is virus-scanned through all its attachments. I know we've got vscan for FreeBSD and therefore I hope that this would be possible. Any ideas to how to do this? Niklas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 12 01:50:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24723 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 01:50:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mimas.eclipse.net.uk (mimas.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA24717 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 01:50:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuart@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (mimas.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.17]) by mimas.eclipse.net.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA26846; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:48:54 GMT Message-ID: <369B1A85.A1B1A0E3@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:48:53 +0000 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Busarow CC: Lutz Rabing , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BIND named 4.9.7-T1B too many open files References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dan Busarow wrote: > > Upgrade bind to 8.1.2 and use the listen-on option to keep bind > from binding to every IP on the box. > > listen-on { 5.6.7.8; }; Don't forget to listen on 127.0.0.1 if you do this :-) Stuart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 12 02:18:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA27528 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 02:18:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from soho.london.virgin.net (soho.london.virgin.net [194.168.38.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA27522 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 02:18:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) Received: from kirk.london.virgin.net (kirk.london.virgin.net [194.168.38.227]) by soho.london.virgin.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09722; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:18:11 GMT (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by kirk.london.virgin.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18261; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:18:09 GMT (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.london.virgin.net: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:18:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Scot Elliott To: Stuart Henderson cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BIND named 4.9.7-T1B too many open files In-Reply-To: <369B1A85.A1B1A0E3@eclipse.net.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I seem to remember reading that it's a bad idea to set your name server to be 127.0.0.1 for some reason. Sounds like the sensible thing to do to me - anyone got any ideas about that? Scot. On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Stuart Henderson wrote: > Dan Busarow wrote: > > > > Upgrade bind to 8.1.2 and use the listen-on option to keep bind > > from binding to every IP on the box. > > > > listen-on { 5.6.7.8; }; > > Don't forget to listen on 127.0.0.1 if you do this :-) > > Stuart > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 12 08:49:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA10597 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:49:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from java.dpcsys.com (java.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA10592 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:49:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dpcsys.com) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by java.dpcsys.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA11537; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:48:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:48:34 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: Scot Elliott cc: Stuart Henderson , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BIND named 4.9.7-T1B too many open files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, Scot Elliott wrote: > I seem to remember reading that it's a bad idea to set your name server to > be 127.0.0.1 for some reason. Sounds like the sensible thing to do to me > - anyone got any ideas about that? If you have 127.0.0.1 in resolv.conf you better listen on 127.0.0.1 If you put the primary IP of the name server in resolv.conf then that's the only one you *should* need to listen on. Try it, any problems will show up right away. Dan -- Dan Busarow 949 443 4172 Dana Point Communications, Inc. dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 12 15:49:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06461 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:49:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zoe.iserve.net (zoe.iserve.net [207.250.219.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06432 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:49:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rch@iserve.net) Received: from blackacid_nt (acidic.iserve.net [207.250.219.40]) by zoe.iserve.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA11987 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:48:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:48:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19990112184909.00902590@iserve.net> X-Sender: rch@iserve.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Robert Hough Subject: Suggestions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there, I work with a small but quickly growing ISP, and I realized that eventually, we are going to need to build seperate servers to various jobs. The problem I forsee is users though. If we build a new mail server, I would basically have to add all of our users to that box too, correct? Is there a way to have like a central password server, where no matter what box a user logs into, they will be able to access it, provided we allow them to do so? Is NIS the only way to do this, or are there other ways as well? If someone could point me to some url's on this topic, I would appreciate it. I dont see this as becoming a problem any time soon, but it is something I'd like to start getting ready for. Thanks. __ _______ |__| __|.-----.----.--.--.-----. .-------------------------------. | |__ || -__| _| | | -__| | Robert Hough (rch@iserve.net) | |__|_______||_____|__| \___/|_____| | 317-802-3036 / 317-876-0846 | _____________________________________________________________________| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 12 16:00:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08165 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:00:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from topgun.asiapac.net ([202.188.0.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08147; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:00:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sckhoo@asiapac.net) Received: from topgun ([202.188.0.106]) by topgun.asiapac.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with SMTP id AAA5A9; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:55:18 +0800 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:55:18 +0800 (SGT) From: Swee-Chuan Khoo X-Sender: sckhoo@topgun To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ISP account provisioning/maint Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, is there is product available for doing account provisioning for an ISP? to handle subscribers accounts in mail, radius and billing server? thanx. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Swee-Chuan Khoo, sckhoo@asiapac.net | Not only do i speak for http://www.asiapac.net/~sckhoo/ | myself; I am myself ------------------------------------------------------------------- If you understand what you're doing, you're not learning anything To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 12 16:34:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14156 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:34:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from codine.icr.com.au (codine.icr.com.au [203.17.49.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14122 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:34:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dale@icr.com.au) Received: from sparc.icr.com.au (sparc.icr.com.au [203.17.49.112]) by codine.icr.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00560; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:26:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dale@icr.com.au) Received: from sun1 (roadrunner.secure.icr.com.au [203.37.247.6]) by sparc.icr.com.au (8.8.8+3.0Wbeta13/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA20916; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:27:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dale@icr.com.au) Message-ID: <010101be3e8b$41ed4e80$06f725cb@sun1.icr.com.au> Reply-To: "Dale Walker" From: "Dale Walker" To: , "Robert Hough" Subject: Re: Suggestions Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:25:40 +1000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----Original Message----- From: Robert Hough To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wednesday, 13 January 1999 10:20 Subject: Suggestions >Hi there, I work with a small but quickly growing ISP, and I realized that >eventually, we are going to need to build seperate servers to various jobs. >The problem I forsee is users though. If we build a new mail server, I >would basically have to add all of our users to that box too, correct? Is >there a way to have like a central password server, where no matter what >box a user logs into, they will be able to access it, provided we allow >them to do so? Is NIS the only way to do this, or are there other ways as >well? If someone could point me to some url's on this topic, I would >appreciate it. I dont see this as becoming a problem any time soon, but it >is something I'd like to start getting ready for. Thanks. We have a similar thing, we currently run 12 FBSD boxes, and the usernames/passwords are shared via NIS.. You can get really smart and share the user filesystem and NIS data by a second "back" network using a private address range (eg 192.168.1.x). this way the NIS data is even more secure. remember you don't need to have the usernames and passowrds on all servers, nntp and web proxy machines don't require it, so only have an admin based user... Cheers, Dale -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Dale Walker dale@icr.com.au Manager/Sysadmin - ICRnet Independent Computer Retailers (ICR) http://www.icr.com.au Ph: +61 7 4636 4625 Fax: +61 7 4636 3513 helpdesk@icr.com.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- "Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex." (Where there is no police, there is no speed limit.) -- Roman Law, trans. Petr Beckmann (1971) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 12 18:35:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14417 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:35:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from host07.rwsystems.net (kasie.rwsystems.net [209.197.192.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14385; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:35:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwyatt@RWSystems.net) Received: from kasie.rwsystems.net([209.197.192.103]) (2063 bytes) by host07.rwsystems.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:02:51 -0600 (CST) (Smail-3.2.0.104 1998-Nov-20 #1 built 1998-Dec-24) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:02:50 -0600 (CST) From: James Wyatt To: Swee-Chuan Khoo cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISP account provisioning/maint In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There is a *very* nice package available from FastLane Communications in Fort Worth, Texas. It's called FLAMS and runs on FreeBSD (I think Sun, and others too), handling radius, billing, web, mail, dialup, lan-access, etc... It's web-based and knows about mailing users invoices, turning off unpaid accounts after a grace period, etc... There are call-desk support, paging, and other functions. sales@fastlane.net I do contracting/consulting for FastLane, but was not involved in writing FLAMS so I'm not completely unbiased. Several ISPs of various size, including FastLane) are using it to *run* the business. I hope this helps - James Wyatt On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Swee-Chuan Khoo wrote: > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:55:18 +0800 (SGT) > From: Swee-Chuan Khoo > To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: ISP account provisioning/maint > > is there is product available for doing account provisioning > for an ISP? to handle subscribers accounts in mail, radius and billing > server? [ deleted ] > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Swee-Chuan Khoo, sckhoo@asiapac.net | Not only do i speak for > http://www.asiapac.net/~sckhoo/ | myself; I am myself > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > If you understand what you're doing, you're not learning anything Love the .sig! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 12 19:42:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05300 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:42:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from velvet.sensation.net.au (serial0-velvet.Brunswick.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA05264 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:42:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from localhost (rowan@localhost) by velvet.sensation.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA06607; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:37:38 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) X-Authentication-Warning: velvet.sensation.net.au: rowan owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:37:36 +1100 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: Dale Walker cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Suggestions In-Reply-To: <017201be3e9c$10461040$06f725cb@sun1.icr.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Dale Walker wrote: (posting back to the list in the hope that someone intimately familiar with portmap and maybe NIS can help me with my understanding) > >little nervous about running portmap as I see probes to port 111 quite > >frequently, I can block external access to that using ipfw but I can't > >block the ports that are assigned dynamically. > > > >Any ideas on how to get portmap to bind to a specific (non global) IP > >only? > > > > hmm... no I don't know hos to bind portmap to a specific interface....but, > can't you block port 111 coming in at the router, and perhaps use xinetd or > tcpwrappers on the actual ports used. aslo set the -R flag on inetd... My understanding of portmap is that it's a dynamic port mapping service. Clients query a fixed query port (111) then get redirected to a dynamically(?) assigned port to talk to the relevant server directly. Hmm, OTOH I just started ypserv on a second machine and it opened UDP port 999, which is also open on the main ypserv machine... perhaps that's the NIS port? 999 in /etc/services doesn't seem to indicate it is. Can anyone help out with this, does ypserv _always_ listen on the same port? Anyway, I already have UDP/TCP 111 blocked at my border, but that doesn't stop someone doing a port scan and finding out which port my ypserv happens to be sitting on at the time - thus the need to bind to a single interface only, that is not world reachable! Perhaps it's ypserv that needs to be hacked rather than portmap, if it's opening the ports itself. The only reason for UDP packets arriving to my servers from external sources should be port 53 and port 3130 (squid). I wonder if it's possible to set up a paranoid firewall, along the lines of... 1000 allow udp from any to my_server_ip 53 in via iface 1000 allow udp from my_server_ip to any 53 in via iface 1000 allow udp from any 3130 to any 3130 in via iface # lazy, can be refined 1010 deny log udp from any to any in via iface The only problem is that my servers have multiple interfaces, so I'd need to set up quite a few rules per interface. Does ipfw have something along the lines of "destination is a local ip on this machine" yet? eg: allow udp from any to any_of_my_configured_ips. Another solution might be to block inbound UDP packets to ports 0-1023 except for 53 and any other ports required to have external access. RPC services seem to use ports <1024. Again is anyone able to confirm this? Cheers. -- Rowan Crowe Sensation Internet Services, Melbourne Aust fidonet: 3:635/728 +61-3-9388-9260 http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ http://www.sensation.net.au/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 12 22:05:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA18503 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:05:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from host07.rwsystems.net (kasie.rwsystems.net [209.197.192.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA18466; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:05:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwyatt@RWSystems.net) Received: from kasie.rwsystems.net([209.197.192.103]) (2009 bytes) by host07.rwsystems.net via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:02:15 -0600 (CST) (Smail-3.2.0.104 1998-Nov-20 #1 built 1998-Dec-24) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:02:14 -0600 (CST) From: James Wyatt To: Swee-Chuan Khoo cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISP account provisioning/maint In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One other point: There *is* a web site, I had just missed it. http://www.flams.com After getting several emails, I asked further and was told: "Of course we have a site, haven't you used the demo?" Uh, now I have! - James Wyatt On Tue, 12 Jan 1999, James Wyatt wrote: > There is a *very* nice package available from FastLane Communications in > Fort Worth, Texas. It's called FLAMS and runs on FreeBSD (I think Sun, > and others too), handling radius, billing, web, mail, dialup, > lan-access, etc... It's web-based and knows about mailing users invoices, > turning off unpaid accounts after a grace period, etc... There are > call-desk support, paging, and other functions. > > I do contracting/consulting for FastLane, but was not involved in writing > FLAMS so I'm not completely unbiased. Several ISPs of various size, > including FastLane) are using it to *run* the business. > > I hope this helps - James Wyatt > > On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Swee-Chuan Khoo wrote: > > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:55:18 +0800 (SGT) > > From: Swee-Chuan Khoo > > To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: ISP account provisioning/maint > > > > is there is product available for doing account provisioning > > for an ISP? to handle subscribers accounts in mail, radius and billing > > server? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 12 23:02:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00684 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:02:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00669 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:02:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA04249; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:00:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:00:27 -0500 (EST) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: Rowan Crowe cc: Dale Walker , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org While it's not noted in the manpage, someone pointed this out to me after I tried Wietse's 'secure portmap': oot@bigred[/usr/src/usr.sbin/ypserv]# more ../portmap/Makefile # @(#)Makefile 8.1 (Berkeley) 6/6/93 PROG= portmap MAN8= portmap.8 SRCS= portmap.c from_local.c pmap_check.c SUBDIR= pmap_set pmap_dump # -DHOSTS_ACCESS (requires tcpwrapper libraries) CFLAGS+=-DCHECK_PORT This allows you to restrict access if you have tcpwrappers installed. Looking at ypserv and nfsd and friends, I don't see similar access controls. Here I hard coded in the bind address for nfsd so that it only binds on the private network. Haven't had the guts to touch NIS yet though... Oddly enough I still see the machines try to talk to each other on the 'dirty' net, but they don't succeed. It would be very cool if there were access controls on all the "scary" services like yp and nfs. There's always ipfw, though. Charles --- Charles Sprickman spork@super-g.com --- "...there's no idea that's so good you can't ruin it with a few well-placed idiots." On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Rowan Crowe wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Dale Walker wrote: > > > (posting back to the list in the hope that someone intimately familiar > with portmap and maybe NIS can help me with my understanding) > > > > >little nervous about running portmap as I see probes to port 111 quite > > >frequently, I can block external access to that using ipfw but I can't > > >block the ports that are assigned dynamically. > > > > > >Any ideas on how to get portmap to bind to a specific (non global) IP > > >only? > > > > > > > hmm... no I don't know hos to bind portmap to a specific interface....but, > > can't you block port 111 coming in at the router, and perhaps use xinetd or > > tcpwrappers on the actual ports used. aslo set the -R flag on inetd... > > My understanding of portmap is that it's a dynamic port mapping service. > Clients query a fixed query port (111) then get redirected to a > dynamically(?) assigned port to talk to the relevant server directly. > > Hmm, OTOH I just started ypserv on a second machine and it opened UDP port > 999, which is also open on the main ypserv machine... perhaps that's the > NIS port? 999 in /etc/services doesn't seem to indicate it is. Can anyone > help out with this, does ypserv _always_ listen on the same port? > > Anyway, I already have UDP/TCP 111 blocked at my border, but that doesn't > stop someone doing a port scan and finding out which port my ypserv > happens to be sitting on at the time - thus the need to bind to a single > interface only, that is not world reachable! > > Perhaps it's ypserv that needs to be hacked rather than portmap, if it's > opening the ports itself. > > The only reason for UDP packets arriving to my servers from external > sources should be port 53 and port 3130 (squid). I wonder if it's possible > to set up a paranoid firewall, along the lines of... > > 1000 allow udp from any to my_server_ip 53 in via iface > 1000 allow udp from my_server_ip to any 53 in via iface > 1000 allow udp from any 3130 to any 3130 in via iface # lazy, can be refined > 1010 deny log udp from any to any in via iface > > The only problem is that my servers have multiple interfaces, so I'd need > to set up quite a few rules per interface. Does ipfw have something along > the lines of "destination is a local ip on this machine" yet? eg: allow > udp from any to any_of_my_configured_ips. > > Another solution might be to block inbound UDP packets to ports 0-1023 > except for 53 and any other ports required to have external access. RPC > services seem to use ports <1024. Again is anyone able to confirm this? > > Cheers. > > > -- > Rowan Crowe Sensation Internet Services, Melbourne Aust > fidonet: 3:635/728 +61-3-9388-9260 > http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ http://www.sensation.net.au/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 13 04:15:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA12411 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 04:15:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unixserver.servers.hgs.com.cn ([202.96.234.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA12394 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 04:15:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from xiyuan@unixserver.servers.hgs.com.cn) Received: (from root@localhost) by unixserver.servers.hgs.com.cn (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA01100 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:34:17 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from xiyuan) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:34:17 +0800 (CST) From: xiyuan Message-Id: <199901131234.UAA01100@unixserver.servers.hgs.com.cn> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: enlarge the limit value? Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have recompiled the kernel by replacing the maxusers 10 to 100. But it seems there is not limit value changed. When I enter the limit command, the result remains the same! Why? Best Regaurds! --xiyuan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 13 12:18:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20919 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:18:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20899 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:18:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jer@jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jer@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA08673; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:15:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:15:43 -0600 (CST) From: Jeremy Shaffner To: xiyuan cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: enlarge the limit value? In-Reply-To: <199901131234.UAA01100@unixserver.servers.hgs.com.cn> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, xiyuan wrote: > > Hi, I have recompiled the kernel by replacing the maxusers 10 to 100. But > it seems there is not limit value changed. When I enter the limit command, > the result remains the same! Just for clarification..did you actually build and install the new kernel? Just changing the maxusers settings in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/MYKERNEL isn't enough... cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf config MYKERNEL cd ../../conf/MYKERNEL make depend make make install reboot -Jeremy -===================================================================- Jeremy Shaffner JORSM Internet Senior Technical Support Northwest Indiana's Premium jer@jorsm.com Internet Service Provider support@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com -===================================================================- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 13 18:47:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03187 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:47:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.hgs.com.cn ([202.96.210.159]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA03177 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:47:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from xiyuan@dns.hgs.com.cn) Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by dns.hgs.com.cn (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA09435; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:39:19 GMT (envelope-from xiyuan) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:39:19 GMT From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199901141039.KAA09435@dns.hgs.com.cn> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: How to enlarge the limit value? Cc: xiyuan@dns.hgs.com.cn Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have a game server program running on my FreeBSD box. With the players coming more and more, I want my server can server more net connections. Now, the maxinum net connection limit is 256. I found that this value is related to FD_SETSIZE in sys/types.h file. I modified this value but make no change. Then I recompile the kernel with maxusers=500, the result remains the same. Any suggestions? --xiyuan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 13 21:09:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16910 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:09:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zeus.tds.edu (zeus.tds.edu [38.149.131.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16904 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:09:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from willow@tds.edu) Received: from [38.149.131.19] (apollo.tds.edu [38.149.131.19]) by zeus.tds.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA03494 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:07:23 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: willow@pop.tds.edu Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 00:07:43 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Willow Subject: Update: Free telnet accounts (off-topic) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 We had a 12GB drive die after Christmas and we lost all the comp. accounts for the ISP's that were using our system. We are able to recreate the accounts for anyone that was using them for testing and personal use at NO CHARGE, just re-email me and I will set them up again. Sorry to everyone that I caused problems to. BTW has anyone had problems with 12GGB IDE drives from Quantum, Seagate? BTW: The standard TOS/AUP apply for the account usage, just in case you wanted to know! - ------------- On Tue, Nov 10, 1998 at 03:09:05PM -0500 (on freebsd-isp), Willow wrote: If anyone needs a FREE account on one of our servers please feel free to ask. We have gotten several responses and it seems there is a need for it. Send email to willow@tds.edu with a username, password, and full name in the message and the account will be created. Standard TOS/AUP apply. - -- willow@tds.edu - ------------- - -- Willow The Digital Schoolhouse http://www.tds.edu/~willow Townsend, Massachusetts 01469 icq: 19051309 (office) 978-597-3238 (voice) icq: 22034399 (home) 978-597-3319 (fax) - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.0.2 Comment: Finger for my current public key! iQA/AwUBNp17uztKDJBaJlhhEQJpvQCfVCWxlp3kvelXMnLirhy8NLCvpMQAn1jH QG3RXol41k+YuKWQ3FUuERd/ =SMTh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 13 21:54:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21506 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:54:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from clif.pcinternet.net (clif.pcinternet.net [209.203.111.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21501 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:54:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jblist@pcinternet.net) Received: from dizzy (rivbn02042.pcinternet.net [209.203.111.171]) by clif.pcinternet.net (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA01955 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:57:09 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19990113214956.00aca100@mail.pcinternet.net> X-Sender: jblist@mail.pcinternet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:51:55 -0800 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Joe Bissot Subject: FreeBSD as an access server Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am trying to setup FreeBSD as a PPP access server using a Comtrol RocketPort ISA and an USR MP8/i. Are there any good how to documents available? I have the PPP tutorial but that is much more concerned with dialing out. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 14 04:44:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03158 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 04:44:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rnocserv.urc.ac.ru (rnocserv.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA03136 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 04:43:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joy@urc.ac.ru) Received: from urc.ac.ru (y.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.37]) by rnocserv.urc.ac.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09912 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:41:47 +0500 (ES) (envelope-from joy@urc.ac.ru) Message-ID: <369DE60B.7B350962@urc.ac.ru> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:41:47 +0500 From: Konstantin Chuguev Organization: Southern Regional Center of FREEnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout References: <199901140039.QAA31642@scv2.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. There are some patches now proposed on the new-httpd@apache.org mailing list about adding layouts of various OSes to the Apache distribution. Aren't people making Apache ports bothered of patching its Configure and Makefile.tmpl for every version of Apache? ;-) Let's make a layout once. It's easy, because FreeBSD has kind of strict (conservative) software layout. It is possible to add the FreeBSD layout to Apache's config.layout distribution file. The addition is like this (most values taken from the port; htdocsdir, iconsdir and cgidir are taken from a newly proposed patch for Apache, proxycachedir as I know has no strict layout): ------ # FreeBSD Layout prefix: /usr/local exec_prefix: $prefix bindir: $exec_prefix/bin sbindir: $exec_prefix/sbin libexecdir: $exec_prefix/libexec mandir: $exec_prefix/man sysconfdir: $prefix/etc datadir: $prefix/www/data htdocsdir: $prefix/www/htdocs iconsdir: $prefix/www/icons cgidir: $prefix/www/cgi-bin includedir: $prefix/include/apache localstatedir: /var runtimedir: $localstatedir/run logfiledir: $localstatedir/log proxycachedir: $localstatedir/spool/webcache ------ All this needs discussion... Your opinions? -- Konstantin V. Chuguev. System administrator of Southern http://www.urc.ac.ru/~joy/ Ural Regional Center of FREEnet, mailto:joy@urc.ac.ru Chelyabinsk, Russia. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 14 10:39:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA14109 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:39:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA14098 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:39:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20815; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpdz20783; Thu Jan 14 18:30:05 1999 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:29:58 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Konstantin Chuguev cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout In-Reply-To: <369DE60B.7B350962@urc.ac.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, Konstantin Chuguev wrote: > Hi. > > There are some patches now proposed on the new-httpd@apache.org mailing list > about adding layouts of various OSes to the Apache distribution. > > Aren't people making Apache ports bothered of patching its Configure and > Makefile.tmpl for every version of Apache? ;-) > Let's make a layout once. It's easy, because FreeBSD has kind of strict > (conservative) software layout. > > It is possible to add the FreeBSD layout to Apache's config.layout > distribution file. The addition is like this (most values taken from > the port; htdocsdir, iconsdir and cgidir are taken from a newly proposed > patch for Apache, proxycachedir as I know has no strict layout): > > ------ > # FreeBSD Layout > > prefix: /usr/local > exec_prefix: $prefix > bindir: $exec_prefix/bin > sbindir: $exec_prefix/sbin > libexecdir: $exec_prefix/libexec > mandir: $exec_prefix/man > sysconfdir: $prefix/etc > datadir: $prefix/www/data > htdocsdir: $prefix/www/htdocs > iconsdir: $prefix/www/icons > cgidir: $prefix/www/cgi-bin > includedir: $prefix/include/apache > localstatedir: /var > runtimedir: $localstatedir/run > logfiledir: $localstatedir/log > proxycachedir: $localstatedir/spool/webcache All good down to here.. Many people have /var as a small separate partition.. The cache may overflow it this may have to be more user tunable.... > > ------ > > All this needs discussion... > Your opinions? > > -- > Konstantin V. Chuguev. System administrator of Southern > http://www.urc.ac.ru/~joy/ Ural Regional Center of FREEnet, > mailto:joy@urc.ac.ru Chelyabinsk, Russia. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 14 11:17:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21611 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:17:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.intercom.com (mail.intercom.com [206.98.165.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21593 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:17:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@intercom.com) Received: from mail.intercom.com (mail.intercom.com [206.98.165.10]) by mail.intercom.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA02636 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:15:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:15:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Jason J. Horton" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IP Accounting Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone used IP accounting (i am assuming thru ipfw) to monitor ip based virtual hosts bandwidth usage? And hints, tips or ideas? -J To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 14 11:56:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28021 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:56:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roble.com (gw4.roble.com [199.108.85.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27989 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:56:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sendmail@roble.com) Received: from roble3.roble.com (roble3.roble.com [207.5.40.53]) by roble.com (Roble1b) with SMTP id LAA05513 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:55:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:55:22 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Marquis To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout In-Reply-To: <369DE60B.7B350962@urc.ac.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Aren't people making Apache ports bothered of patching its Configure and > Makefile.tmpl for every version of Apache? ;-) > Let's make a layout once. It's easy, because FreeBSD has kind of strict > (conservative) software layout. Our last Apache install went perfectly. Everything was installed under /usr/local/apache, exactly where we want it. This makes administration a breeze. Too many other ports install files all over the place. Please don't change a thing. If you must modify Apache then use symlinks. For instance: ln -s /usr/local/apache/etc/httpd.conf /usr/local/etc ln -s /usr/local/apache/bin/start /usr/local/etc/rc.d Deterministic file locations are especially important to shops like ours where there are Solaris, Linux, FreeBSD and other Unix operating systems. And remember: KISS (keep it simple...) Roger Marquis Roble Systems Consulting http://www.roble.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 14 12:17:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01154 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:17:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01148 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:17:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jer@jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jer@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA26580 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:16:41 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:16:41 -0600 (CST) From: Jeremy Shaffner To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: enlarge the limit value? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Jeremy Shaffner wrote: > cd ../../conf/MYKERNEL oops ../../compile/MYKERNEL of course -===================================================================- Jeremy Shaffner JORSM Internet Senior Technical Support Northwest Indiana's Premium jer@jorsm.com Internet Service Provider support@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com -===================================================================- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 14 12:35:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA03675 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:35:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from leaf.lumiere.net (twig.lumiere.net [206.170.14.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03670 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:35:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@leaf.lumiere.net) Received: (from j@localhost) by leaf.lumiere.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA23997; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:35:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:35:20 -0800 (PST) From: Jesse To: Roger Marquis cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Our last Apache install went perfectly. Everything was installed under > /usr/local/apache, exactly where we want it. This makes administration a > breeze. Too many other ports install files all over the place. Please > don't change a thing. If you must modify Apache then use symlinks. For > instance: > > ln -s /usr/local/apache/etc/httpd.conf /usr/local/etc > ln -s /usr/local/apache/bin/start /usr/local/etc/rc.d > > Deterministic file locations are especially important to shops like ours > where there are Solaris, Linux, FreeBSD and other Unix operating systems. I'd have to agree, I always install apache under /usr/local/apache. Things are much much simpler if their files aren't sprayed all over the filesystem. Upgrades are easier, removal is easier, backups are easier, installations are easier, configuration is easier. -- Jesse Shrieve j@lumiere.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 14 12:59:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07137 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:59:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07045 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:59:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA030206320; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:05:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:05:20 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Roger Marquis Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, Roger Marquis wrote: > Our last Apache install went perfectly. Everything was installed under > /usr/local/apache, exactly where we want it. This makes administration a > breeze. Too many other ports install files all over the place. Please > don't change a thing. If you must modify Apache then use symlinks. For > instance: Though sometimes nice looking, this really is the Wrong Way to do it. See hier(7) for details. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 14 13:22:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10173 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:22:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roble.com (gw4.roble.com [199.108.85.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10168 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:22:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sendmail@roble.com) Received: from roble3.roble.com (roble3.roble.com [207.5.40.53]) by roble.com (Roble1b) with SMTP id NAA14530 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:21:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:21:43 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Marquis To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Our last Apache install went perfectly. Everything was installed under > > /usr/local/apache, exactly where we want it. This makes administration a > > breeze. Too many other ports install files all over the place. Please > > don't change a thing. If you must modify Apache then use symlinks. For > > instance: > > Though sometimes nice looking, this really is the Wrong Way to do it. See > hier(7) for details. Though it may be the FreeBSD way hier(7), as it applies to /usr/local, is fundamentally flawed. It violates the KISS principle in a big way and, with enough packages, is a system administration nightmare. This, IMHO, is a large part of what's wrong with the otherwise excellent BSD ports collection. I almost always parse /patches/p* to edit out this cruft. It has spared us hours of headaches during upgrades. For an example of how package directory structures should be done see www.sunfreeware.com. Roger Marquis Roble Systems Consulting http://www.roble.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 14 14:54:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23402 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:54:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23395 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:54:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA072123324; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:02:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 12:02:04 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Roger Marquis Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, Roger Marquis wrote: > Though it may be the FreeBSD way hier(7), as it applies to /usr/local, is > fundamentally flawed. It violates the KISS principle in a big way and, > with enough packages, is a system administration nightmare. This, IMHO, > is a large part of what's wrong with the otherwise excellent BSD ports > collection. I almost always parse /patches/p* to edit out this > cruft. It has spared us hours of headaches during upgrades. Storing all your configuration files in one directory is not simple? Storing all your executables in one directory is not simple? Storing all your libraries in one directory is not simple? What do you do to upgrade, delete the whole directory and reinstall it and restore your backup data? If you do, I'm glad I don't have to clean up the mess that can make. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 14 17:20:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18403 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:20:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotmail.com (f126.hotmail.com [207.82.251.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA18325 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:19:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lao22@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 12163 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jan 1999 01:18:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19990115011846.12162.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.105.232.196 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:18:43 PST X-Originating-IP: [206.105.232.196] From: "Stalin Vargas" To: xnetgoth@egroups.com, crosstalk@info.harpercollins.com, ldsmoms@egroups.com, hebrews12@egroups.com, hebreos@egroups.com, nuevavida@cristo.net, cmcv@cristo.net, cnvc@cristo.net, coicom@cristo.net, evangelioeterno@evangelio.net, alexrodriguez@cristo.net, mdmd@wildmail.com, MAURI18@hotmail.com, lassdom@netscape.net, dcubero@usa.net, spnsec@hcjb.org.ec, mariovasquez74@hotmail.com, jvaldez@tamnet.com.mx, melisita_b@hotmail.com Cc: ingr@nik.b29.ingr.com, stricq@egroups.com, castanet-interest@marimba.com Subject: DIOS TE BENDIGA GRANDE Y ABUNDANTEMENTE Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:18:43 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dios le Bendiga Grande y Abundantemente: El proposito de este e-mail después de extenderle un cálido Saludo, es darme a conocer: Soy un Joven de 17 años, que tiene como meta llevar el mensaje de la Palabra de Dios, a traves del internet, Mi Nombre es Manuel Stalin Soto curso el 4to. 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Gracias Dios Te Bendiga!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 14 17:29:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20022 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:29:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roble.com (gw4.roble.com [199.108.85.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20010 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:29:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sendmail@roble.com) Received: from roble3.roble.com (roble3.roble.com [207.5.40.53]) by roble.com (Roble1b) with SMTP id RAA16426 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:28:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:28:35 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Marquis To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - wrote: > Storing all your configuration files in one directory is not simple? Take apache as an example: %ls /usr/local/apache/etc access.conf magic passwd.admin access.conf.default magic.default srm.conf httpd.conf mime.types srm.conf.default httpd.conf.default mime.types.default Now if you had 10 applications with as many configuration files you'd have *110* different configuration files under /usr/local/etc. How exactly would you know which files were associated with which applications? Certainly not using `ls`. > Storing all your executables in one directory is not simple? You'd have the same problem as above. No apache executables ever need be in a path. Why add more cruft to /usr/local/bin than other (poorly patched) ports already do? > Storing all your libraries in one directory is not simple? This presents the biggest problem of all. What if your application library names clash with another library, or you have multiple versions, or you need to use LD_LIBRARY_PATH? Following FreeBSD's heir(7) you would be hosed. Take Netscape for this example. They keep libraries in /usr/local/{lib/}netscape. When I upgrade Netscape I don't want to have to comb through potentially hundreds of files under /usr/local/lib. 12 years of Unix administration has convinced me that upgrades and management are infinitely easier with a manageable number of files under one root directory per application: /usr/local/apache/{etc,bin,lib} (using symlinks where necessary) than with *dozens* or *hundreds* of files under: /usr/local/{etc,bin,lib} Roger Marquis Roble Systems Consulting http://www.roble.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 14 19:19:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04279 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:19:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unixserver.servers.hgs.com.cn ([202.96.234.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA04267 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:19:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from xiyuan@unixserver.servers.hgs.com.cn) Received: (from root@localhost) by unixserver.servers.hgs.com.cn (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA00412 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:38:23 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from xiyuan) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:38:23 +0800 (CST) From: xiyuan Message-Id: <199901150338.LAA00412@unixserver.servers.hgs.com.cn> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: File Size? Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, today I suddenly noticed one file locates in a directory becomes 4118883456 bytes large. What's wrong? --xiyuan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 14 20:01:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA09183 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:01:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from clif.pcinternet.net (clif.pcinternet.net [209.203.111.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA09170 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:01:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jblist@pcinternet.net) Received: from dizzy (rivbn01036.pcinternet.net [209.203.111.101]) by clif.pcinternet.net (2.5 Build 2639 (Berkeley 8.8.6)/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA03243 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:02:42 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.19990114195343.00ae3aa0@mail.pcinternet.net> X-Sender: jblist@mail.pcinternet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:57:06 -0800 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Joe Bissot Subject: named server keeps locking Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I had a NT workstation running software.com's bind it has worked flawlessly for over a year. I switched the system to FreeBSD 2.2.8 and it is hanging. The server will work for a while then it just hangs. The IP still responds to pings but that is it. I'm not sure what else to do. I have reset and even rebuilt the box but nothing changes. I don't have any great clues as to what is happening as it just goes blank and poof its over. I'm going to have to put NT back on to restore my uptime???? Is there a known problem with 2.2.8 and named? I have a 2.2.7 CD maybe I will try that instead....... ????? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 14 20:59:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA15995 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:59:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shemp.palomine.net (shemp.palomine.net [205.198.88.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA15989 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:59:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjohnson@palomine.net) Received: (qmail 17576 invoked by uid 1000); 15 Jan 1999 04:58:25 -0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 23:58:25 -0500 From: Chris Johnson To: Joe Bissot Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: named server keeps locking Message-ID: <19990114235825.A17552@palomine.net> References: <4.1.19990114195343.00ae3aa0@mail.pcinternet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990114195343.00ae3aa0@mail.pcinternet.net>; from Joe Bissot on Thu, Jan 14, 1999 at 07:57:06PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 14, 1999 at 07:57:06PM -0800, Joe Bissot wrote: > I had a NT workstation running software.com's bind it has worked flawlessly > for over a year. I switched the system to FreeBSD 2.2.8 and it is hanging. What is "it"? The FreeBSD system? named? And what does "hanging" mean, exactly? > The server will work for a while then it just hangs. The IP still responds > to pings but that is it. I'm not sure what else to do. I have reset and > even rebuilt the box but nothing changes. I don't have any great clues as > to what is happening as it just goes blank and poof its over. I'm going to > have to put NT back on to restore my uptime???? Is there a known problem > with 2.2.8 and named? I have a 2.2.7 CD maybe I will try that > instead....... ????? Why are you convinced that named is causing the problem, whatever the problem is? You're going to have to provide *much* more detail. Your question is equivalent to: "I have a FreeBSD box. It doesn't work. Can anyone tell me why?" And try not to use the word "it," unless it's clear what "it" is. Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 15 04:33:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05373 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:33:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from leaf.lumiere.net (twig.lumiere.net [206.170.14.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05367 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:33:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@leaf.lumiere.net) Received: (from j@localhost) by leaf.lumiere.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id EAA24436; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:32:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:32:50 -0800 (PST) From: Jesse To: Bill Fumerola cc: Roger Marquis , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Storing all your configuration files in one directory is not simple? > Storing all your executables in one directory is not simple? > Storing all your libraries in one directory is not simple? No, it is not. Then, if I want to delete and reinstall a program, instead of doing a nice rm -rf /usr/local/program, I have to figure out what files come from what programs ,where they are, and manually pick them out. A sysadmins' nightmare. > What do you do to upgrade, delete the whole directory and reinstall it > and restore your backup data? If you do, I'm glad I don't have to clean up > the mess that can make. To upgrade, you simply run the upgrade scripts, or the install scripts of the newest version is --prefix=/usr/local/program. To delete the entire package, rm -rf /usr/local/program. To reinstall it, ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/program; make install. To backup my data, tar cvf program-backup.tar /usr/local/program. To restore my data, cd /usr/local; tar xvf program-backup.tar. Now, imagine doing any of those things with all your files scattered all over multiple directories, especially when you start coming across some files which you're not whether they below to that program or not. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 15 04:33:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05438 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:33:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mimas.eclipse.net.uk (mimas.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05431 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:33:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuart@eclipse.net.uk) Received: from eclipse.net.uk (mimas.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.17]) by mimas.eclipse.net.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18150; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:29:00 GMT Message-ID: <369F3486.FB3E4297@eclipse.net.uk> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:28:54 +0000 From: Stuart Henderson Organization: Eclipse Networking X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.35 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roger Marquis CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Roger Marquis wrote: > > Though it may be the FreeBSD way hier(7), as it applies to /usr/local, is > fundamentally flawed. Just set PREFIX if you don't like it that way :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 15 05:50:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15963 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 05:50:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from soho.london.virgin.net (soho.london.virgin.net [194.168.38.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA15958 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 05:50:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) Received: from kirk.london.virgin.net (kirk.london.virgin.net [194.168.38.227]) by soho.london.virgin.net (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03101; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:48:58 GMT (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by kirk.london.virgin.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20607; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:48:56 GMT (envelope-from scot@london.virgin.net) X-Authentication-Warning: kirk.london.virgin.net: scot owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:48:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Scot Elliott To: Jesse cc: Bill Fumerola , Roger Marquis , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Jesse wrote: > > Now, imagine doing any of those things with all your files scattered all > over multiple directories, especially when you start coming across some > files which you're not whether they below to that program or not. Isn't that the point of the pkg_delete? It looks at /var/db/pkg/... for it's list of files. Scot. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 15 07:13:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA26593 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:13:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from garbo.lodgenet.com (garbo.lodgenet.com [204.124.122.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA26587 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:13:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from johnp@lodgenet.com) Received: from milo.lodgenet.com (milo.lodgenet.com [10.0.122.42]) by garbo.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA04376; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:56:02 -0600 Received: from milo.lodgenet.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by milo.lodgenet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10324; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:08:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from johnp@milo.lodgenet.com) Message-Id: <199901151508.JAA10324@milo.lodgenet.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Scot Elliott cc: Jesse , Bill Fumerola , Roger Marquis , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:48:56 GMT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:08:52 -0600 From: John Prince Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org HMMM.. Sound like the beginning to a New Religious War.. We each have our ``OPINIONS'' as to where things should live.. In my "OPINION", If I do not like where the file(s) live, HMMM I think I can change it.. I don't need to complain about the existing model, which again in my ``OPINION'' does for the most part seem to work well. Can we move it to chat or ports for discussion? Thanks.. --john Scot Elliott writes: > > On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Jesse wrote: > > > > > Now, imagine doing any of those things with all your files scattered all > > over multiple directories, especially when you start coming across some > > files which you're not whether they below to that program or not. > > > Isn't that the point of the pkg_delete? It looks at /var/db/pkg/... for > it's list of files. > > > Scot. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 15 09:58:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15812 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:58:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15807 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:58:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA170912006; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:06:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:06:46 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Roger Marquis Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, Roger Marquis wrote: > Now if you had 10 applications with as many configuration files you'd > have *110* different configuration files under /usr/local/etc. How > exactly would you know which files were associated with which > applications? Certainly not using `ls`. The port installs them in /usr/local/etc/apache, so the configurations are all in one spot, categorized. > > Storing all your executables in one directory is not simple? > > You'd have the same problem as above. No apache executables ever need > be in a path. Why add more cruft to /usr/local/bin than other (poorly > patched) ports already do? Good point, except they're installed in /usr/local/sbin, which isn't in anyone's path (mod root). > Take Netscape for this example. They keep libraries in > /usr/local/{lib/}netscape. When I upgrade Netscape I don't want to > have to comb through potentially hundreds of files under > /usr/local/lib. That's why the ports system is a Good Thing. The ports system creates packing lists, and if I wanted to know which files were for what port, it's a grep/awk/sed statement away from me. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 15 10:09:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17498 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:09:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17488 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:09:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA176072696; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:18:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:18:16 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Jesse Cc: Roger Marquis , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Jesse wrote: > No, it is not. Then, if I want to delete and reinstall a program, instead > of doing a nice rm -rf /usr/local/program, I have to figure out what files > come from what programs ,where they are, and manually pick them out. A > sysadmins' nightmare. (cd /usr/ports/category/portname && make deinstall) or (cd /usr/ports/category/portname && make reinstall) That was too tough for me. > Now, imagine doing any of those things with all your files scattered all > over multiple directories, especially when you start coming across some > files which you're not whether they below to that program or not. I'm going to repeat myself from my last post. This is why ports have packing lists, so you know exactly who installed what. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 15 10:11:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA17938 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:11:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA17933 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:11:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA176122773; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:19:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:19:33 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Scot Elliott Cc: Jesse , Roger Marquis , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Scot Elliott wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Jesse wrote: > > > Now, imagine doing any of those things with all your files scattered all > > over multiple directories, especially when you start coming across some > > files which you're not whether they below to that program or not. > > Isn't that the point of the pkg_delete? It looks at /var/db/pkg/... for > it's list of files. Bingo. The 'reinstall' target for the ports comes in handy as well. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 15 10:26:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA20195 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:26:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roble.com (gw4.roble.com [199.108.85.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA20187 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:26:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sendmail@roble.com) Received: from roble3.roble.com (roble3.roble.com [207.5.40.53]) by roble.com (Roble1b) with SMTP id KAA23779; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:26:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:26:15 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Marquis To: Bill Fumerola cc: Jesse , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > (cd /usr/ports/category/portname && make deinstall) Make deinstall and pkg_delete are certainly nice when they work, and most of the time they do, but not all ports are written to spec. I wouldn't want to have to depend on these utilities when so may ports don't recognize `make deinstall' or `pkg_delete`. Even if FreeBSD has stricter criteria for admitting ports to the collection this would still be a band-aid solution. Better to fix the root problem than to add another layer of complexity. And no pkg_admin utility can fix the problems with combined libraries described earlier. Then too there's the matter of compatibility with other Unix operating systems. Why reinvent the wheel when Solaris has been doing this right for half a decade already? Roger Marquis Roble Systems Consulting http://www.roble.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 15 11:22:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27138 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:22:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heaven.gigo.com (ppp.gigo.com [207.173.132.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27133 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:22:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfesler@gigo.com) From: jfesler@gigo.com Received: from heaven.gigo.com (heaven.gigo.com [207.173.133.57]) by heaven.gigo.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A32CA144C; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:22:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 11:22:04 -0800 (PST) To: Roger Marquis Cc: Bill Fumerola , Jesse , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Then too there's the matter of compatibility with other Unix operating > systems. Why reinvent the wheel when Solaris has been doing this right > for half a decade already? Gentlemen, this is a religious issue. heir() is the bsd way, /opt is the Solaris way. People love and hate one versus the other. It's a fact of life. Can I at least get you guys to agree to disagree, and see each other's points? Nothing's going to *change* and in the end, we all use the ports to our advantage to save time, but yes, they do often need customizing to fit the needs/personalities of a given site. Anything more, is back to religious debate. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 15 12:56:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10871 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:56:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roble.com (gw4.roble.com [199.108.85.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10841 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:55:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sendmail@roble.com) Received: from roble3.roble.com (roble3.roble.com [207.5.40.53]) by roble.com (Roble1b) with SMTP id MAA24952; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:55:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 12:55:35 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Marquis To: jfesler@gigo.com cc: Bill Fumerola , Jesse , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Then too there's the matter of compatibility with other Unix operating > > systems. Why reinvent the wheel when Solaris has been doing this right > > for half a decade already? > > Gentlemen, this is a religious issue. I would have to disagree. A number of good points have been raised on both sides which would seem to preclude the religious label. > heir() is the bsd way, /opt is the Solaris way. Actually /opt, while it is a directory used by Solaris packages is not the Solaris way. Most of the packages at www.sunfreeware.com for example, install under /usr/local. > Can I at least get you guys > to agree to disagree, and see each other's points? At some point sure. Until then I'd like to hear all of Bill's points and make all of mine. When there's nothing new on the table then we can agree to disagree. Until then can you agree to let us continue? Assuming this has been discussed in previous threads or other FreeBSD lists does anyone have a URL for further investigation? Roger Marquis Roble Systems Consulting http://www.roble.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 15 13:08:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12304 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:08:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ua1.cnnet.com (ua1.cnnet.com [207.229.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA12293 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:08:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cnnet@cnnet.com) Received: from [207.229.6.12] by ua1.cnnet.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aikr) with ESMTP id xa562923 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:06:28 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990115140810.00821ae0@cnnet.com> X-Sender: cnnet@cnnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:08:10 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: CNNet Subject: Radius Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Help we have Freebsd 2.2.5 on one machine and 3.0 on another. On the 2.2.5 machine we have radius 2.01 with a patch from the following company http://sysadm.sorosis.ro/devel/radius/index.html and it works fine. The problem arises when we take the radius source from livingston and apply the patch from the above url on the Freebsd 3.0 machine. The patch applies fine but when we go to build it we get nothing but errors. Could someone look into this and tell us why? If we take the binary from the above site and install it on the 3.0 machine radius works but accounting doesn't work. We have checked the port and they are correct on both machines 1645 and 1646 I noticed that on bsd 3.0 in services that radius was set to ports 1812 and 1813 we commented these out and changed them to 1645 and 1646 If someone knows of a radius with the above url's features that works on bsd3 that would suffice as well Thanks in advance Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 15 13:09:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA12428 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:09:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from is2.net.ohio-state.edu (is2.net.ohio-state.edu [128.146.48.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA12414 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:09:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from maf@dev1.net.ohio-state.edu) Received: (qmail 13462 invoked from network); 15 Jan 1999 21:09:24 -0000 Received: from dev1.net.ohio-state.edu (128.146.222.3) by is2.net.ohio-state.edu with SMTP; 15 Jan 1999 21:09:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 12707 invoked by uid 4454); 15 Jan 1999 21:09:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19990115160923.A12095@net.ohio-state.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:09:23 -0500 From: Mark Fullmer To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i In-Reply-To: ; from Jesse on Fri, Jan 15, 1999 at 04:32:50AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 15, 1999 at 04:32:50AM -0800, Jesse wrote: > > > What do you do to upgrade, delete the whole directory and reinstall it > > and restore your backup data? If you do, I'm glad I don't have to clean up > > the mess that can make. > > To upgrade, you simply run the upgrade scripts, or the install scripts of > the newest version is --prefix=/usr/local/program. To delete the entire > package, rm -rf /usr/local/program. To reinstall it, ./configure > --prefix=/usr/local/program; make install. To backup my data, tar cvf > program-backup.tar /usr/local/program. To restore my data, cd /usr/local; > tar xvf program-backup.tar. This works fine for a single machine. When you have many servers delegating one to act as a build box and then pushing out /usr and /usr/local with sdist(1) to each client buys you a consistant environment, less backup tape space, and time installing the same software/upgrade n times. /var, /, and /home/x are all the need to be backed up. It's also nice to be able to dump/restore a /usr or /usr local from one machine to the next when a disk goes bad. The current ports and packages collections don't take this type of environment into account. > Now, imagine doing any of those things with all your files scattered all > over multiple directories, especially when you start coming across some > files which you're not whether they below to that program or not. All that's required is a packing list, or if there are files created at run-time (ie a web server) just stick them in /var/package. *1 rdist modified to use ssh. -- mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 15 13:21:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14934 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:21:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from heaven.gigo.com (ppp.gigo.com [207.173.132.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA14911 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:21:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfesler@gigo.com) From: jfesler@gigo.com Received: from heaven.gigo.com (heaven.gigo.com [207.173.133.57]) by heaven.gigo.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 50A751384; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:21:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:21:06 -0800 (PST) To: Roger Marquis Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > At some point sure. Until then I'd like to hear all of Bill's points and > make all of mine. When there's nothing new on the table then we can agree > to disagree. Until then can you agree to let us continue? Sure thing. > Assuming this has been discussed in previous threads or other FreeBSD > lists does anyone have a URL for further investigation? It seems you're right, I'm wrong. Some of us have heard the rants for far too long, but apparently not in this particular forum. For anyone else tired of it, a procmail entry for you.. :0 * Subject:.*PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout /dev/null To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 15 13:41:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17736 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:41:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17726 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:41:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA250585414; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:50:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:50:14 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Mark Fullmer Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout In-Reply-To: <19990115160923.A12095@net.ohio-state.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Mark Fullmer wrote: > > Now, imagine doing any of those things with all your files scattered all > > over multiple directories, especially when you start coming across some > > files which you're not whether they below to that program or not. > > All that's required is a packing list, or if there are files created > at run-time (ie a web server) just stick them in /var/package. Yeah, that would be nice. Oh, that's right, /var/db/pkg/packagename-version/+CONTENTS already exists for every port or package installed. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 15 13:43:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18045 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:43:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix (phoenix.aye.net [206.185.8.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA18033 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:43:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ratbert@phoenix.aye.net) Received: (qmail 26147 invoked by uid 2800); 15 Jan 1999 21:40:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Jan 1999 21:40:15 -0000 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:40:15 -0500 (EST) From: Barrett Richardson To: Joe Bissot cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: named server keeps locking In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990114195343.00ae3aa0@mail.pcinternet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, Joe Bissot wrote: > I had a NT workstation running software.com's bind it has worked flawlessly > for over a year. I switched the system to FreeBSD 2.2.8 and it is hanging. > The server will work for a while then it just hangs. The IP still responds > to pings but that is it. I'm not sure what else to do. I have reset and > even rebuilt the box but nothing changes. I don't have any great clues as > to what is happening as it just goes blank and poof its over. I'm going to > have to put NT back on to restore my uptime???? Is there a known problem > with 2.2.8 and named? I have a 2.2.7 CD maybe I will try that > instead....... ????? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > Are other network services affected? Does killing named and restarting it have any effect? Trying the latest incarnation of bind version 8 may also be worthwhile. - Barrett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 15 14:06:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21070 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:06:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.webnology.com (mercury.webnology.com [209.155.51.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21065 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:06:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jooji@webnology.com) Received: from localhost (jooji@localhost) by mercury.webnology.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id QAA04719; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:06:02 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:06:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Jasper O'Malley" To: CNNet cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Radius In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990115140810.00821ae0@cnnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, CNNet wrote: > The patch applies fine but when we go to build it we get nothing but errors. > > Could someone look into this and tell us why? Post the errors. > If we take the binary from the above site and install it on the 3.0 machine > radius works but accounting doesn't work. How, precisely, do things not work? > We have checked the port and they are correct on both machines 1645 and 1646 > > I noticed that on bsd 3.0 in services that radius was set to ports 1812 and > 1813 we commented these out and changed them to 1645 and 1646 This is per the RFCs (RFC2138 and RFC2139). The ports chosen by Livingston/Lucent were chosen in error; they've become the de facto standards, unfortunately, but real standards exist :) Cheers, Mick The Reverend Jasper P. O'Malley dotdot:jooji@webnology.com Systems Administrator ringring:asktheadmiral Webnology, LLC woowoo:http://www.webnology.com/~jooji To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 15 14:48:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26736 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:48:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cscfx.sytex.com (cscfx.sytex.com [205.147.190.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA26727 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:48:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rwc@cscfx.sytex.com) Received: (from rwc@localhost) by cscfx.sytex.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA01253 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:45:49 -0500 From: Richard Cramer Message-Id: <199810301445.JAA01253@cscfx.sytex.com> Subject: ISP local to Bradenton, FL. To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:45:49 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: rcramer@sytex.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello to the List, I am in search of a ISP hopefully, FreeBSD, in the Bradenton, FL area that would be able to assist me by having a dedicated IP dial access account. My Dad is in Bradenton and I need to assist him in using his Win95 workstation. It would be so much easier if he had a dedicated IP number I could PCanywhere to. Besides I am tired of dealing with AOL. Using AOL sure sharpens one sales approach in explaining why an independent ISP is a better investment in time and money! Regards, Dick -- Richard Cramer rcramer@sytex.net Phone: 703-425-2515 President Fax: 703-425-4585 SytexNet(tm) Sytex Access Ltd. POB 2385, Fairfax, VA 22031-0385 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 15 16:34:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08873 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:34:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.westbend.net (ns1.westbend.net [156.46.203.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08868; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 16:34:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Received: from admin (admin.westbend.net [156.46.203.13]) by mail.westbend.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA29436; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:34:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Message-ID: <009001be40e7$eaeee3a0$0dcb2e9c@westbend.net> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: Cc: References: <19990115160923.A12095@net.ohio-state.edu> Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:34:02 -0600 Organization: West Bend Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008D_01BE40B5.9F604FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.1012.1001 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.1012.1001 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01BE40B5.9F604FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This attached FreeBSD Layout patch uses the directory assignments as given from the Apache* ports. Now as to the individual that wants to install their port into a directory other than ${PREFIX}, if you use: ./configure --with-layout=FreeBSD --prefix=/some/other/location Your Apache port will be installed into "/some/other/location" instead of "/usr/local". This can even be done when compiling the Apache* port by setting ${PREFIX}. The values in the config.layout files are just default values and can be overridden with the configure directives (i.e. --prefix, --sysconfdir, --localstatedir). Scot H. ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01BE40B5.9F604FA0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="patch-av" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="patch-av" *** config.layout.orig Mon Jan 4 23:14:49 1999=0A= --- config.layout Fri Jan 15 17:53:12 1999=0A= ***************=0A= *** 60,62 ****=0A= --- 60,83 ----=0A= logfiledir: logs=0A= proxycachedir: proxy=0A= =0A= + =0A= + # FreeBSD Layout=0A= + =0A= + prefix: /usr/local=0A= + exec_prefix: $prefix=0A= + bindir: $exec_prefix/bin=0A= + sbindir: $exec_prefix/sbin=0A= + libexecdir: $exec_prefix/libexec/apache=0A= + mandir: $exec_prefix/man=0A= + sysconfdir: $prefix/etc/apache=0A= + datadir: $prefix/www=0A= + docrootdir: $datadir/data=0A= + doc_dir: $prefix/share/doc/apache=0A= + iconsdir: $datadir/icons=0A= + cgidir: $datadir/cgi-bin=0A= + includedir: $prefix/include/apache=0A= + localstatedir: /var=0A= + runtimedir: $localstatedir/run=0A= + logfiledir: $localstatedir/log=0A= + proxycachedir: $datadir/proxy=0A= + =0A= ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01BE40B5.9F604FA0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 15 17:19:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13323 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:19:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alive.znep.com (sense-sea-MegaSub-1-222.oz.net [216.39.144.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13316; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:19:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcs@znep.com) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA10606; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:21:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcs@znep.com) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 17:21:29 -0800 (PST) From: Marc Slemko To: "Scot W. Hetzel" cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout In-Reply-To: <009001be40e7$eaeee3a0$0dcb2e9c@westbend.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 15 Jan 1999, Scot W. Hetzel wrote: > This attached FreeBSD Layout patch uses the directory assignments as given > from the Apache* ports. > > Now as to the individual that wants to install their port into a directory > other than ${PREFIX}, if you use: > > ./configure --with-layout=FreeBSD --prefix=/some/other/location There is no need to add this to the Apache layout file; you can simply put it in a new file and refer to it in the --with-layout option explicitly using the FILE:name format. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 16 01:32:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA23155 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 01:32:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from rnocserv.urc.ac.ru (rnocserv.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA23110; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 01:31:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joy@urc.ac.ru) Received: from urc.ac.ru (y.RNOC-dialup.urc.ac.ru [193.233.85.127]) by rnocserv.urc.ac.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14980; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:30:23 +0500 (ES) (envelope-from joy@urc.ac.ru) Message-ID: <36A05BFD.F2FC3F83@urc.ac.ru> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:29:33 +0500 From: Konstantin Chuguev Organization: Southern Ural Regional Center of FREEnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Scot W. Hetzel" CC: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PATCH for Apache: Add FreeBSD Server Layout References: <19990115160923.A12095@net.ohio-state.edu> <009001be40e7$eaeee3a0$0dcb2e9c@westbend.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Scot W. Hetzel" wrote: > > This attached FreeBSD Layout patch uses the directory assignments as given > from the Apache* ports. > > Now as to the individual that wants to install their port into a directory > other than ${PREFIX}, if you use: > > ./configure --with-layout=FreeBSD --prefix=/some/other/location > > Your Apache port will be installed into "/some/other/location" instead of > "/usr/local". This can even be done when compiling the Apache* port by > setting ${PREFIX}. The values in the config.layout files are just default > values and can be overridden with the configure directives > (i.e. --prefix, --sysconfdir, --localstatedir). > That's exactly what I meant when proposed a FreeBSD layout for Apache. This should just remove at least two patches for each of the Apache, Apache-mod_ssl, Apache-php ports. Those who use another layouts for their Apache installations would just change port's Makefile a bit, adding --with-layout= and/or --prefix=. No need to modify patch-?? files. I'm pretty sure there is a minority of such people amongst all ports users. Most FreeBSD users prefer not to modify ports. Never wanted to start such a flame, folks. Very sorry :-) -- Konstantin V. Chuguev. System administrator of Southern http://www.urc.ac.ru/~joy/ Ural Regional Center of FREEnet, mailto:joy@urc.ac.ru Chelyabinsk, Russia. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 16 06:30:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18993 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 06:30:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.webnology.com (mercury.webnology.com [209.155.51.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA18987 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 06:30:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jooji@webnology.com) Received: from localhost (jooji@localhost) by mercury.webnology.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id IAA14988; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:30:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:30:48 -0600 (CST) From: "Jasper O'Malley" To: Joe Bissot cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: named server keeps locking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 14 Jan 1999, Joe Bissot wrote: > I had a NT workstation running software.com's bind it has worked flawlessly > for over a year. I switched the system to FreeBSD 2.2.8 and it is hanging. > The server will work for a while then it just hangs. The IP still responds > to pings but that is it. I'm not sure what else to do. I have reset and > even rebuilt the box but nothing changes. I don't have any great clues as > to what is happening as it just goes blank and poof its over. I'm going to > have to put NT back on to restore my uptime???? Is there a known problem > with 2.2.8 and named? I have a 2.2.7 CD maybe I will try that > instead....... ????? Do the logs give you any clue? Does named die, or does it merely stop responding? Which revision of 2.2.8 are you on? Is it 2.2.8-RELEASE, or have you updated it with a recent snapshot (or rebuilt it from recent sources)? How long is "a while?" Does the time of death coincide with any other network events? Cheers, Mick The Reverend Jasper P. O'Malley dotdot:jooji@webnology.com Systems Administrator ringring:asktheadmiral Webnology, LLC woowoo:http://www.webnology.com/~jooji To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 16 13:21:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23642 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:21:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from office.omc.net (office.omc.net [195.185.142.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23637 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:21:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from LutzRab@omc.net) Received: from lutz (lutz.omc.net [195.185.142.3]) by office.omc.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA21306 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:21:00 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199901162121.WAA21306@office.omc.net> From: "Lutz Rabing" Organization: OMCnet IS GmbH To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 22:21:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Firewall route add / Cisco Reply-to: LutzRab@omc.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all! This is not exactly a FreeBSD question. However, we use a FreeBSD firewall and have FreeBSD customer servers behind it ... The problem is to assign a /24 to a customer server with: route add -net 1.2.3.0/24 -interface xl1 I can't do that because I have to leave one IP address of the /24 on the cisco. e.g.: customer-server: 62.62.62.2 .. 62.62.62.254 cisco : 62.62.62.1 Does someone know how to alias a /24 to the cisco router without assigning an IP to it? I checked the cisco docs, but did not find a clue. Thanks, Lutz Rabing -OMCnet Internet service GmbH- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, Lutz Rabing -OMCnet- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 16 14:36:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00980 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:36:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from server-03.net-all.com.br (server-03.net-all.com.br [200.245.195.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA00970 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:36:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcds@brasmail.com.br) Received: from server03 [127.0.0.1] by server-03.net-all.com.br [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.7.SP4.R) for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:48:26 -0200 From: "Jose Carlos da Silva" Organization: ALLNET! Internet To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 19:48:25 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Anybody using PortSlave on FreeBSD? Reply-to: jcds@brasmail.com.br X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Return-Path: jcds@brasmail.com.br Message-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear guys, I searched by the web archives of the list, but I didn't find anything about this. Is anybody using PortSlave in a FreeBSD box out there? Is there any secret to make it work? Regards, o-----------------( Jose Carlos da Silva )-----------------o | Administrador de Rede - WebMaster - jcds@brasmail.com.br | | ALLNET! 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