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>This is fine if the IP's are static, and only authorised users are
>using it; otherwise, you're opening your system to relaying abuse
>by other people.

Wouldn't it minimize the abuse if it checked upon request if the user
existed, and if it existed, it would allow relaying? Perhaps even with the
possibillity to stop certain standard users for relaying (i.e, root etc)

	Niklas


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Thanks to everyone for their helpful replies.  It looks like the best =
route to
go is to get a case with "hotswapable" drive enclosure support.  So we're
gonna get a kingston unit and test away!

Thanks again,
-joe


On Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:15:06 +0100, Stuart Henderson =
<stuart@eclipse.net.uk>
wrote:

>> If you can power it off you should be fine.  If you pull the cable
>> you conceivable could kill your array
>
>Seems to fit with how our 'proper' hotswap drives work, they
>do let you pull the drive from the cage but have two rows of pins,
>one row gets connected/disconnected before the other. A poweroff
>is a lot more 'normal' situation.
>
>> and have to backup from tape.
>
>Good point to make assuming this is a live system with important
>data :-))) Joe make sure you have a tape or copy on another system=20
>before you try this <grin>
>
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Niklas Saers wrote in message ID
<4.1.19990613111339.01fa8ad0@pop.saers.com>:
> Wouldn't it minimize the abuse if it checked upon request if the user
> existed, and if it existed, it would allow relaying? Perhaps even with the
> possibillity to stop certain standard users for relaying (i.e, root etc)

That just opens you up to unauthorized relaying, except that you make
the spammer make it look like it comes from your domain (on the from
line) which would just make people think that its authorized.

Also, places like ORBS check for that form of `relay protection' and
will list you if you allow it.

POP Before SMTP, Authenticated SMTP and limiting access to your own
netblocks are the only ``secure'' methods of denying
relaying. Unfortunately, authenticated SMTP (by far the best solution)
isn't all that widespread yet, and I don't know any freeware programs
that come with AuthSMTP built in. Sendmail doesn't have it yet,
although Eric says it will be in the next rev (I believe)

Gary Palmer
Senior System Administrator, E-Mail
RCN Corporation


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Hi 

I am in the proccess of setting a new mail server
for my company I need to use RAID 5 (hardware)

other than the DPT boards .. have you guys had any
success with other RAID controlers like Adaptec or AMI

or Hardware RAID in general on FreeBSD. Both AMI and 
DPT seem to support linux .. but I would like something
for FreeBSD

Cheers

Rami

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Rami Abu Jebara wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I am in the proccess of setting a new mail server
> for my company I need to use RAID 5 (hardware)
> 
> other than the DPT boards .. have you guys had any
> success with other RAID controlers like Adaptec or AMI

AFAIK, the only native 'RAID-5' card (as opposed to SCSI-2-SCSI solutions)
that's support by FreeBSD is DPT... We have a DPT based system, and it's both
fast and reliable, so much so - if I was building any other system (e.g.
Windows NT etc.) - I'd probably also go for DPT :)

There was some talk a while ago about Mylex - but it seems to be a little out
the picture now (though may well be being worked on behind the scenes)...


-Karl


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I am looking for an ISP to host some chat channels.

Would prefer an ISP with an existing chat system, but I am
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Don't expect too many users, at least initialy, and could work
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On Sun, 13 Jun 1999, Gary Palmer wrote:

>POP Before SMTP, Authenticated SMTP and limiting access to your own
>netblocks are the only ``secure'' methods of denying
>relaying. Unfortunately, authenticated SMTP (by far the best solution)
>isn't all that widespread yet, and I don't know any freeware programs
>that come with AuthSMTP built in. Sendmail doesn't have it yet,
>although Eric says it will be in the next rev (I believe)

Is it likely that you will ever see something like this built-in ?
I ask because there are so many different POP3 servers
(although by covering qpopper, cucipop and ipop3d, you'd probably
cover at least 60% of them), and the functionality lies not in 
sendmail, but rather in an external program constantly evaluating
pop connections and putting hosts in and removing hosts from a 
"allow relay" database.

And of course, several Win32 clients are stupid and SEND first and
then receive, and don't allow you to choose; resulting in your users
whining; notably, M$-crap e-mail clients. Pegasus and Eudora work correctly,
from what I remember.

Does anyone know of any SMTP server or e-mail client that supports
username+password pairs for SMTP relaying ?

If that was the case, I'm sure it would be relatively easy to patch
the authentication module to do lookups via Radius or LDAP.
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From owner-freebsd-isp  Sun Jun 13 18:26:17 1999
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From: Chuck Robey <chuckr@picnic.mat.net>
To: FreeBSD-ISP <FreeBSD-isp@freebsd.org>
Subject: ppp using dynamic IPs
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I am setting up a new machine, the server side of a bunch of ppp
connections, and I have it now working for static IPs.  I am letting
login do my security checking (owner wants that, it's not my choice),
but I need to be able to convert it to using dynamic IPs.

I have the user's shell set up as /usr/local/bin/ppplogin, which starts
the user's ppp session.  Is using dynamic IPs (from the server side, NOT
the user side) documented anywhere, of can someone describe what I have
to do?  I have the block of IPs already.

(I'm converting an old BSDi machine to FreeBSD.  Owner says I can
convert ppp to chap after I get it working the old way first.)

----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------
Chuck Robey                 | Interests include any kind of voice or data 
chuckr@picnic.mat.net       | communications topic, C programming, and Unix.
213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1  |
Greenbelt, MD 20770         | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current.
(301) 220-2114              | 
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From owner-freebsd-isp  Sun Jun 13 19:41:19 1999
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Subject: Re: ppp using dynamic IPs 
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> I am setting up a new machine, the server side of a bunch of ppp
> connections, and I have it now working for static IPs.  I am letting
> login do my security checking (owner wants that, it's not my choice),
> but I need to be able to convert it to using dynamic IPs.
> 
> I have the user's shell set up as /usr/local/bin/ppplogin, which starts
> the user's ppp session.  Is using dynamic IPs (from the server side, NOT
> the user side) documented anywhere, of can someone describe what I have
> to do?  I have the block of IPs already.
> 
> (I'm converting an old BSDi machine to FreeBSD.  Owner says I can
> convert ppp to chap after I get it working the old way first.)

Hmm, this isn't very ``searchable'' in the user-ppp man page (I'll 
add the word ``dynamic'' somwhere :-)


             Hisaddr may also be specified as a range of IP numbers in the
             format

                   IP[-IP][,IP[-IP]]...

             for example:

                   set ifaddr 10.0.0.1 10.0.1.2-10.0.1.10,10.0.1.20


The range can be put in ppp.conf as above or even in ppp.secret if 
you want to change the range based on their pap or chap username.


> ----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------
> Chuck Robey                 | Interests include any kind of voice or data 
> chuckr@picnic.mat.net       | communications topic, C programming, and Unix.
> 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1  |
> Greenbelt, MD 20770         | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current.
> (301) 220-2114              | 
> ----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------

-- 
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From owner-freebsd-isp  Sun Jun 13 20:19:13 1999
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Hi, all!

I attempt to install Sendmail 8.9.3 with anti-relay, spam shields and
some more...You say, it's good idea. Yes, I do. But:

1. When I sending mail to some user (f.E aaa@granch.ru, which have it's
owners .forward file, which remapped mail to aaa@bbb.granch.ru, file has
access 0644), sendmail say "file .forward or group include is writing
access, unsafe alert...",and so more and do not forward mail. Setting
DontBlameSendmail does not have effect. "UnsafeGroupWrites" too. WHY?

2. When one from users of my server (BSD/OS 2.1, very old :-( ),which
work with old version (8.7.3) without any troubles, senidng mail with
new Sendmail, it suddenly say "Relaying denyed" :-( But it was ordinary
mail from my user into world! I don't probe set advanced features, like
granted relay domain lists, simply grant third-party relaying. Work
begin... :-(

3. What is a file /var/log/mailacct? With my old version (8.7.3) with
each mail, comes with SMTP or UUCP, into it add one line with
sender/recipient/time/length of message. With new version, I don't see
any setup for this file. May be SITECONFIG? In README says, what
SITECONFIG is obsolete, and I don't setup it. File content vital for
me...

PS: Today I work with 8.7.3 :-(, alas...
-- 
     With Best Regards.
     Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Granch Ltd. lead engineer
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To: Brian Somers <brian@Awfulhak.org>
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On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, Brian Somers wrote:

> > I am setting up a new machine, the server side of a bunch of ppp
> > connections, and I have it now working for static IPs.  I am letting
> > login do my security checking (owner wants that, it's not my choice),
> > but I need to be able to convert it to using dynamic IPs.
> > 
> > I have the user's shell set up as /usr/local/bin/ppplogin, which starts
> > the user's ppp session.  Is using dynamic IPs (from the server side, NOT
> > the user side) documented anywhere, of can someone describe what I have
> > to do?  I have the block of IPs already.
> > 
> > (I'm converting an old BSDi machine to FreeBSD.  Owner says I can
> > convert ppp to chap after I get it working the old way first.)
> 
> Hmm, this isn't very ``searchable'' in the user-ppp man page (I'll 
> add the word ``dynamic'' somwhere :-)
> 
> 
>              Hisaddr may also be specified as a range of IP numbers in the
>              format
> 
>                    IP[-IP][,IP[-IP]]...
> 
>              for example:
> 
>                    set ifaddr 10.0.0.1 10.0.1.2-10.0.1.10,10.0.1.20
> 
> 
> The range can be put in ppp.conf as above or even in ppp.secret if 
> you want to change the range based on their pap or chap username.

Great, this actually searches for which numbers are currently not in
use?


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> >POP Before SMTP, Authenticated SMTP and limiting access to your own
> >netblocks are the only ``secure'' methods of denying
> >relaying. Unfortunately, authenticated SMTP (by far the best solution)
> >isn't all that widespread yet, and I don't know any freeware programs
> >that come with AuthSMTP built in. Sendmail doesn't have it yet,
> >although Eric says it will be in the next rev (I believe)
> 
> Is it likely that you will ever see something like this built-in ?
> I ask because there are so many different POP3 servers

Doesn't matter - AuthSMTP is not the same thing as POP before SMTP.
AuthSMTP is where you authenticate directly to the SMTP server 
rather than popping first and requires support from the mail client.
I think Netscape and Outlook do this but it's still not too
widespread. Another alternative is to check for a 'password' in
the HELO which in many cases is easier to set (for example on
Windows you would just put it into the domain name box in tcp/ip
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Hi,

I'm trying use pppd 2.3.8 with FreeBSD 3.2 to resolve problems in PAM
authentication. I found same problem. If I use pppd compiled without PAM,
then it works fine. If I try to use PAM (flag -DUSE_PAM in Makefile),
always return: 

pppd[268]: no modules loaded for `ppp' service

Is it PAM problem or pppd pam problem?

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From owner-freebsd-isp  Mon Jun 14 11:46:18 1999
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> other than the DPT boards .. have you guys had any
> success with other RAID controlers like Adaptec or AMI

I was really disappointed with the performance I was getting out of the
DPT.  It was easy to saturate the poor thing.  Further investigation
suggests that this is probably because RAID parity calculation is done
by the on-board CPU rather than by silicon.  Under normal operation, I
only need 1 or 2 MB/s writes, but being limited to not much more than
that by the DPT would have been very irritating.

SCSI-to-SCSI RAID controllers are nicer and the Mylex can be configured
from the front panel (as opposed to something like the DPT SmartRAID IV
which requires a DOS app).

They appear to the OS as an actual storage device, rather than as a 
number of discrete drives.  This means that you can install OS and stuff
on them too, because the PC BIOS sees them as a single drive too.

da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
da1: <MYLEX DAC960SX 61278B5 4332> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 16, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled
da1: 61278MB (125497344 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 7811C)

CMD makes a smaller and I believe less expensive unit.  If you are less into
performance and simply need RAID5 ability, that may be the way to go... it
is half-height too, as opposed to the full-height Mylex.  However, the CMD
unit has some performance limits (#tags, as I recall).

The DAC960SX comes in a three-channel config (2 drive, 1 host) with 16MB
cache for a bit more than $2K.

... Joe

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>SCSI-to-SCSI RAID controllers are nicer and the Mylex can be configured
>from the front panel (as opposed to something like the DPT SmartRAID IV
>which requires a DOS app).
>
>They appear to the OS as an actual storage device, rather than as a
>number of discrete drives.  This means that you can install OS and stuff
>on them too, because the PC BIOS sees them as a single drive too.

I'm not sure about the speed of the SmartRAID V stuff (U2W suite), but the
configuration is all done through the BIOS now.  No DOS App is needed to
configure.

It may be worth a second look.


Jaime Bozza
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Jaime Bozza wrote:
>
> I'm not sure about the speed of the SmartRAID V stuff (U2W suite), but the
> configuration is all done through the BIOS now.  No DOS App is needed to
> configure.
> 
> It may be worth a second look.

Speed wise, we've found our "entry level" DPT system to be pretty damned
quick, but that's our personal oppinion :)

We don't have a SmartRAID V unit, so I could be speaking out of turn here...
But, I doub't the BIOS can aid and assist you with a 'live' system, to the
point of changing hot-swap configurations / drives etc. without restarting the
O/S (how else are you going to get into the BIOS when a drive has failed
without restarting? :)

The BIOS will take you so far, but without native FreeBSD tools, your back to
the "wait for the beeps", then schedule a 'convienent' time for the box to be
downed to sort things out... :-(  (via the BIOS or otherwise, until theres
native FreeBSD utils :-(

-Karl


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>That just opens you up to unauthorized relaying, except that you make
>the spammer make it look like it comes from your domain (on the from
>line) which would just make people think that its authorized.

This sounds WAAAY to black-and-white for me. :-I How have you ISP's out
there solved the smtp-problem? How do your users use SMTP?

>Also, places like ORBS check for that form of `relay protection' and
>will list you if you allow it.

I know. I like spam-protection, but this is to much for my taste!

>relaying. Unfortunately, authenticated SMTP (by far the best solution)
>isn't all that widespread yet, and I don't know any freeware programs
>that come with AuthSMTP built in. Sendmail doesn't have it yet,
>although Eric says it will be in the next rev (I believe)

Do mail-clients use AuthSMTP?? What are the alternatives to using sendmail,
anyway?

	Niklas


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> I'm not sure about the speed of the SmartRAID V stuff (U2W 
> suite), but the configuration is all done through the BIOS now.  
> No DOS App is needed to configure.

Bios is no better than a dos app if it's a critical system and 
you have to reboot to reconfigure so you can add more disks :(


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On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, Niklas Saers wrote:

> >That just opens you up to unauthorized relaying, except that you make
> >the spammer make it look like it comes from your domain (on the from
> >line) which would just make people think that its authorized.
> 
> This sounds WAAAY to black-and-white for me. :-I How have you ISP's out
> there solved the smtp-problem? How do your users use SMTP?
> 

Only allow relay from our own ip-groups.

If somebody dials through another provider to fetch their mail, let the
user use that providers server to smtp.

No problem...

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> > >That just opens you up to unauthorized relaying, except that you make
> > >the spammer make it look like it comes from your domain (on the from
> > >line) which would just make people think that its authorized.
> > 
> > This sounds WAAAY to black-and-white for me. :-I How have you ISP's out
> > there solved the smtp-problem? How do your users use SMTP?
> > 
>
> Only allow relay from our own ip-groups.
>
> If somebody dials through another provider to fetch their mail, let the
> user use that providers server to smtp.
>
> No problem...

Roaming? A user who takes a notebook on vacation. Dialing a local ISP
in Windows 95/98 is just a matter of typing a different number on
the opening screen. To a normal user, changing your SMTP server is
far more complex.

A lot of ISPs are using 'POP before SMTP'. Rather kludgy in my opinion
but it does the job until better options open up. In this scenario a
user must attempt to retrieve email first. The pop server then updates
a sendmail database of what IPs are allowed to relay. The IP address
falls out X minutes after being allowed in.

http://www.cynic.net/~cjs/computer/sendmail/poprelay.html

is the best source for this info I think.

							-Steve


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> > I'm not sure about the speed of the SmartRAID V stuff (U2W 
> > suite), but the configuration is all done through the BIOS now.  
> > No DOS App is needed to configure.
> 
> Bios is no better than a dos app if it's a critical system and 
> you have to reboot to reconfigure so you can add more disks :(

In all fairness, I believe someone was porting the DPT tool set to
FreeBSD.  However, for me at least it will be too little too late.
The DPT has several limiting factors, including the overall capacity
that it is able to deal with (three SCSI busses).  The Mylex is
available in a five-disk-channel configuration, cabling is much less
a problem since you can put the Mylex external, and it works well.
The Mylex can also use up to 256MB cache RAM and has battery backup.
For the heavier applications, you can also hook up two hosts (leaving
you with four drive busses) or two Mylexes in a redundant "partner"
configuration that is reportedly even faster...  or several other
combinations of the above.  All of this can be configured via serial,
front panel, or (for the finer nuances) via a DOS software utility.
You can actually build a RAID5 with nothing but the four buttons on
the front of the controller.

I think my next choice would be the Vinum RAID5 stuff... if I could
ever get it to work.

... Joe

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From owner-freebsd-isp  Mon Jun 14 19:50:24 1999
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Khetan Gajjar wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, Rashid N. Achilov wrote:
> 
> >1. When I sending mail to some user (f.E aaa@granch.ru, which have it's
> >owners .forward file, which remapped mail to aaa@bbb.granch.ru, file has
> >access 0644), sendmail say "file .forward or group include is writing
> >access, unsafe alert...",and so more and do not forward mail. Setting
> >DontBlameSendmail does not have effect. "UnsafeGroupWrites" too. WHY?
> 
> What are the permissions of the directory that the .forward file
> is sitting in ? And up one level ? And up the level before that ?

.forward file in /usr/home/aaa directory with 0755 rights.

You think, it's right? I can add user 'aaa' in any group, grant this
group to write to some set of home directories (f.E. users bbb and ccc)
,and now users aaa,bbb and ccc cannot froward your own mail? In my
opinion, it's not right.

> 
> >2. When one from users of my server (BSD/OS 2.1, very old :-( ),which
> >work with old version (8.7.3) without any troubles, senidng mail with
> >new Sendmail, it suddenly say "Relaying denyed" :-( But it was ordinary
> >mail from my user into world! I don't probe set advanced features, like
> >granted relay domain lists, simply grant third-party relaying. Work
> >begin... :-(
> 
> Is this user sending mail from the server, or from another server ?

It's my user. He send mail from Outlook Express from some MustDie95
station.

> 
> >3. What is a file /var/log/mailacct? With my old version (8.7.3) with
> >each mail, comes with SMTP or UUCP, into it add one line with
> >sender/recipient/time/length of message. With new version, I don't see
> >any setup for this file. May be SITECONFIG? In README says, what
> >SITECONFIG is obsolete, and I don't setup it. File content vital for
> >me...
> 
> You could try /var/log/maillog
> 

Cannot. We computed users statistic with data from mailacct. Maillog
usage lead to rewriting big program :-(

-- 
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     Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Granch Ltd. lead engineer
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On Mon, Jun 14, 1999 at 02:11:32PM -0500, Jaime Bozza wrote:
> I'm not sure about the speed of the SmartRAID V stuff (U2W suite), but the
> configuration is all done through the BIOS now.  No DOS App is needed to
> configure.
> 
> It may be worth a second look.

  Of course that's largely irrelevant in a FreeBSD list.  SmartRAID V
controllers are not supported in FreeBSD.  Too bad though, they look like
nice units.

  For "cheap" hardware RAID, look at http://www.infortrend.com

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On Friday, 11 June 1999 at  8:57:40 -0700, Joe McDonald wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Jun 1999 01:44:36 -0500, Chris Cook <ccook@tcworks.net> wrote:
>
>>        We have been running VINUM here at our ISP for quite some time
>> now.  It works great... we have our /usr and /var partitions setup on 2
>> different mirrored volumes.  The overhead is low and access times are
>> great.  With VINUM, if one of the mirrored disks go out, the volume should
>> not crash <grin>.  As far as ccd goes, I have never used it, but I believe
>> both ccd and VINUM will not mirror a boot partition (I know VINUM won't
>> yet).  The VINUM was difficult to install, only because I was trying to use
>> the port that comes with FBSD 3.1.

I don't understand this.  Vinum is part of the base system in 3.X.

>> If you go this route, I suggest downloading the lastest version and
>> you shouldn't have problems.  Hope this helps...

It's certainly a good idea to get the latest version.  A lot of
changes went in until about mid-April.

> Do you know the best way to test if the mirror really works if a drive goes
> bad?  Pull the power to the drive as it's running?  Pull the scsi cable to the
> drive as it's running?  Will this cause physical damage to the drive?

I try both pulling the power cable and pulling the SCSI cable.  It's
possible that you could confuse the system if you pull the data cable
during a transfer, but it hasn't happened to me yet, and anyway, this
is a test environment.

The way Vinum handles these errors, there are really only two errors
that count:

1.  Drive goes away.  CAM reports "invalidating pack", and Vinum takes
    the drive down and all associated subdisks into the "crashed"
    state.  If the drive comes back before any writes are attempted,
    the drive goes into a "reborn" state if there are other plexes, or
    an "up" state if there are none.  In "reborn", Vinum will write to
    the subdisk, but it won't read it if it can get the data
    elsewhere.

2.  I/O error on a transfer.  Vinum marks the subdisk "stale".

In either case, what happens to the plexes is relatively complex.
Normally they're marked "degraded".  The volumes stay up as long as
*anything* is accessible (since otherwise you'd get I/O errors when
you tried to access them).

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On Monday, 14 June 1999 at 21:58:12 +0100, Karl Pielorz wrote:
> Jaime Bozza wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure about the speed of the SmartRAID V stuff (U2W suite), but the
>> configuration is all done through the BIOS now.  No DOS App is needed to
>> configure.
>>
>> It may be worth a second look.
>
> Speed wise, we've found our "entry level" DPT system to be pretty damned
> quick, but that's our personal oppinion :)

Well, I'd be *very* interested in a proper comparison with Vinum.
From what I've seen, it may be very favourable for Vinum.

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From owner-freebsd-isp  Tue Jun 15  0:25:27 1999
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we use an external SCSI 2 SCSI controller with 64M cache onboard
and the performance are great. This is an integrated system that
comes with redundant supply, 6 hot swap hard disk (for us Seagate
cheetah 18G 10000rpm) and the controller has 1 host channel and 2
disk channels. All in a rack mountable chassis with very good air
cooling system.

The product is Voyager 3000 from Eurologic. 
See http://www.eurologic.com

Ben



>
>Hi 
>
>I am in the proccess of setting a new mail server
>for my company I need to use RAID 5 (hardware)
>
>other than the DPT boards .. have you guys had any
>success with other RAID controlers like Adaptec or AMI
>
>or Hardware RAID in general on FreeBSD. Both AMI and 
>DPT seem to support linux .. but I would like something
>for FreeBSD
>
>Cheers
>
>Rami
>
>****************************
>Rami Abu Jebara
>Technical Director
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>
>
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> A lot of ISPs are using 'POP before SMTP'. Rather kludgy in my opinion but
> it does the job until better options open up. In this scenario a user must
> attempt to retrieve email first. The pop server then updates a sendmail
> database of what IPs are allowed to relay. The IP address falls out X
> minutes after being allowed in.
> 
> http://www.cynic.net/~cjs/computer/sendmail/poprelay.html
> 
> is the best source for this info I think.
> 
A nice step-by-step guide is on

http://www.morelr.com/technical/unix/popauth.html

HTH
Gina

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From owner-freebsd-isp  Tue Jun 15  6:34:15 1999
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> > >3. What is a file /var/log/mailacct? With my old version (8.7.3) with
> > >each mail, comes with SMTP or UUCP, into it add one line with
> > >sender/recipient/time/length of message. With new version, I don't see
> > >any setup for this file. May be SITECONFIG? In README says, what
> > >SITECONFIG is obsolete, and I don't setup it. File content vital for
> > >me...
> >
> > You could try /var/log/maillog
> 
> Cannot. We computed users statistic with data from mailacct. Maillog
> usage lead to rewriting big program :-(

You could write a program that reads maillog and writes it
to mailacct for your statistics program. You have to search
for the info though, it is written over at least two lines
(and maybe more when you have messages with >1 recipient).
It would be best to search by both message-ID and queue 
number, because message-ID can be user supplied it may not
be unique, and queue number is generated from process
number and also may not be unique - both together should
be ok though.

It will probably be far easier to modify your copy of sendmail 
to write mailacct. From a quick look through the code, I guess 
you need to modify logdelivery() and also the calls so that 
both sender and recipient are available (at the moment it only
has recipient info). 

Of course if you only need to know how many emails a certain 
user has sent, rather than the recipient or how many of their 
emails have been delivered, it will be much easier to use
a simple awk or perl script to rewrite the line format to
something you can use.

HTH
Stuart


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Many ISPs (at least in Switzerland) don't allow you to send mail with a
sender address that doesn't belong to this particular ISP... I think this
is plain stupid (it doesn't prevent spamming in any way). For those who
need it, I have set up pop-before-smtp. It's a little perl script that is
fed pop3/imap logs and that directly changes the accesstable, and another
that expires these entries after some time. No problems so far.

-- Rico
>Only allow relay from our own ip-groups.
>
>If somebody dials through another provider to fetch their mail, let the
>user use that providers server to smtp.
>
>No problem...



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At 01:28 13.6.99 , Khetan Gajjar wrote the following message:
>This is fine if the IP's are static, and only authorised users are
>using it; otherwise, you're opening your system to relaying abuse
>by other people.
>
>Otherwise, something like
>http://www.cynic.net/~cjs/computer/sendmail/poprelay.html
>should work nicely.

Nice SMTP server is zmailer - http://www.zmailer.org - it supports WHOSON 
protocol (included in contrib part of distribution) which lets zmailer 
check WHOSON daemon for temporary authorized IPs to relay. You patch all 
aps to communicate IP to whosond so zmailer can check for them when unknown 
hosts try to relay. Patching is very simple - bare bones examples are 2 
lines in one .c and modification of Makefile to include whoson files - 
included are patch for imap and radiusd. I patched  cucipop to use whoson - 
it works nicely here for some time.

Whoson is general solution which works via unix domain sockets, udp and tcp.

Tomaz


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> On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, Brian Somers wrote:
> 
> > > I am setting up a new machine, the server side of a bunch of ppp
> > > connections, and I have it now working for static IPs.  I am letting
> > > login do my security checking (owner wants that, it's not my choice),
> > > but I need to be able to convert it to using dynamic IPs.
> > > 
> > > I have the user's shell set up as /usr/local/bin/ppplogin, which starts
> > > the user's ppp session.  Is using dynamic IPs (from the server side, NOT
> > > the user side) documented anywhere, of can someone describe what I have
> > > to do?  I have the block of IPs already.
> > > 
> > > (I'm converting an old BSDi machine to FreeBSD.  Owner says I can
> > > convert ppp to chap after I get it working the old way first.)
> > 
> > Hmm, this isn't very ``searchable'' in the user-ppp man page (I'll 
> > add the word ``dynamic'' somwhere :-)
> > 
> > 
> >              Hisaddr may also be specified as a range of IP numbers in the
> >              format
> > 
> >                    IP[-IP][,IP[-IP]]...
> > 
> >              for example:
> > 
> >                    set ifaddr 10.0.0.1 10.0.1.2-10.0.1.10,10.0.1.20
> > 
> > 
> > The range can be put in ppp.conf as above or even in ppp.secret if 
> > you want to change the range based on their pap or chap username.
> 
> Great, this actually searches for which numbers are currently not in
> use?

But of course :-)

> ----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------
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> 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1  |
> Greenbelt, MD 20770         | I run picnic and jaunt, both FreeBSD-current.
> (301) 220-2114              | 
> ----------------------------+-----------------------------------------------

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> >Also, places like ORBS check for that form of `relay protection' and
> >will list you if you allow it.
> 
> I know. I like spam-protection, but this is to much for my taste!

there are check_local patches (link from the dul page on maps.vix.com)
which let you set up dbm's for spam_haters and spam_friends so you can
set spam_haters as people that really, really don't want spam (and use
orbs for them), normal as dul+maps, and spam_friends as no protection.

> Do mail-clients use AuthSMTP?? 

Netscape and Outbreak do, possibly some more as well.

> What are the alternatives to using sendmail, anyway?

Specifically re:AuthSMTP, I'm not sure, but in general I'd say qmail, 
exim, and postfix all certainly warrant a look. Check your freebsd
mailing list received lines for postfix, I'm sure you already know
of qmail, and Exim is used by some very large isps (1.5 million+ 
accounts) and a number of universities. I am sure there are more as
well, and if a mailer doesn't support authsmtp as standard it's
worth digging around for patches if you want to try.

Regarding ms clients inability to pop before smtp, you can always
have your users run a simple pop3 mailbox checking program and
run that before they use your smtp...

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There are times when it would be helpful to point some services that rely on the
system password file to an alternate password file. pwd_mkdb already has the
ability to output alternate password files to other directories, but not all
services let you identify an alternate system password file.

For any service which loads pwd.h, can you just define an alternate to pwd.h
that points to an alternate location and load that instead? What about services
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presumably have pwd.h compiled into them already)? Will these work?

And then there is the broader question of whether or not there is a better way
to do this than creating an alternate pwd.h.

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Does anyone know of an oem source for scsi drives for use in Netapps Filers?
Network Appliance charges obscene amounts for what are really just seagate
barracudas with proprietary connecters in a removable cartridge. I have heard
that some other suppliers are manufacturing drives for use in the netapps and
selling them cheaper, but I can't find them.

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On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Joe Mays wrote:
> Does anyone know of an oem source for scsi drives for use in Netapps
> Filers? Network Appliance charges obscene amounts for what are really
> just seagate barracudas with proprietary connecters in a removable
> cartridge. I have heard that some other suppliers are manufacturing
> drives for use in the netapps and selling them cheaper, but I can't
> find them.

You mean SCA drives?

Should be able to find those anywhere.  Are you sure you'll be able to get
the Netapp to cope with non-netapp firmware?  (I believe they're still
doing this.)

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For the price you pay for these boxes, it would probably be best that you
just get all Netapps parts/hardware. We have an F720 and yes, it was an
obscene amount, but I would never go elsewhere for drives/etc. We have the
hotspare kit as well. I'm sure if you mention it to Netapps that you're
putting your own drives in you'll find the warranty goes out the door...

 >
On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Joe Mays wrote:
> > Does anyone know of an oem source for scsi drives for use in Netapps
> > Filers? Network Appliance charges obscene amounts for what are really
> > just seagate barracudas with proprietary connecters in a removable
> > cartridge. I have heard that some other suppliers are manufacturing
> > drives for use in the netapps and selling them cheaper, but I can't
> > find them.
> 
> You mean SCA drives?
> 
> Should be able to find those anywhere.  Are you sure you'll be able to get
> the Netapp to cope with non-netapp firmware?  (I believe they're still
> doing this.)
> 
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I've already asked Netapps about it. They said that they wouldn't support oem
drives themselves in the event of a drive failure (obviously) but it doesn't
effect the warranty or support for the rest of the box.

Robert Du Gaue wrote:
> 
> For the price you pay for these boxes, it would probably be best that you
> just get all Netapps parts/hardware. We have an F720 and yes, it was an
> obscene amount, but I would never go elsewhere for drives/etc. We have the
> hotspare kit as well. I'm sure if you mention it to Netapps that you're
> putting your own drives in you'll find the warranty goes out the door...
> 
>  >
> On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Joe Mays wrote:
> > > Does anyone know of an oem source for scsi drives for use in Netapps
> > > Filers? Network Appliance charges obscene amounts for what are really
> > > just seagate barracudas with proprietary connecters in a removable
> > > cartridge. I have heard that some other suppliers are manufacturing
> > > drives for use in the netapps and selling them cheaper, but I can't
> > > find them.
> >
> > You mean SCA drives?
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> > Should be able to find those anywhere.  Are you sure you'll be able to get
> > the Netapp to cope with non-netapp firmware?  (I believe they're still
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> We don't have a SmartRAID V unit, so I could be speaking out of turn here...
> But, I doub't the BIOS can aid and assist you with a 'live' system, to the
> point of changing hot-swap configurations / drives etc. without restarting the
> O/S (how else are you going to get into the BIOS when a drive has failed
> without restarting? :)

Has anyone tried using the DPT storage manager for SCO under FreeBSD
ibcs2's emulation?

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Hi,

Is there any chance of making it work? There are drivers for this type of
card in the source tree, but only for the ISA version, it seems...


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Joe Mays wrote:
> 
> I've already asked Netapps about it. They said that they wouldn't support oem
> drives themselves in the event of a drive failure (obviously) but it doesn't
> effect the warranty or support for the rest of the box.
> 

When we first got our NetApp we found out it was a DEC based shelf, so
we were like "OK, we'll just get drives for that shelf", NOPE, it didn't
see them.
I guess the filer only knows about certain disk IDs and if you stick in
disks that are not on that list it won't be able to use them...

Heck, you're already paying A LOT for the system, you bought it cause
you know it's the best thing out there, does it really make sense to
chance it and skimp on the most important part of the system? Nope it
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Suresh Rajagopalan wrote:
> 
> > We don't have a SmartRAID V unit, so I could be speaking out of turn here...
> > But, I doub't the BIOS can aid and assist you with a 'live' system, to the
> > point of changing hot-swap configurations / drives etc. without restarting the
> > O/S (how else are you going to get into the BIOS when a drive has failed
> > without restarting? :)
> 
> Has anyone tried using the DPT storage manager for SCO under FreeBSD
> ibcs2's emulation?

At a guess I'd say that the differences between SCO's drivers and ours would
probably squash this outright - the DPT manager software needs very low level
access to the DPT, and is probably tied to their driver... I'd be good if
someone proved me wrong though... :)

-Kp


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I have a 3.1 box running as a gateway/NATD box for  my private network 
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With this properly configured I would then not have to worry if my cable
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Because of the following press release, one might expect this to change 
somewhat:

    http://www.dell.com/corporate/media/newsreleases/98/9811/04.htm


On Tue, Jun 15, 1999 at 03:22:03PM -0400, Joe Mays wrote:
> Does anyone know of an oem source for scsi drives for use in Netapps Filers?
> Network Appliance charges obscene amounts for what are really just seagate
> barracudas with proprietary connecters in a removable cartridge. I have heard
> that some other suppliers are manufacturing drives for use in the netapps and
> selling them cheaper, but I can't find them.
> 
> Joe Mays
> 
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On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Joe Mays wrote:
> > Does anyone know of an oem source for scsi drives for use in Netapps
> > Filers? Network Appliance charges obscene amounts for what are really
> 
> You mean SCA drives?

The drives themselves are standard drives, just make sure you buy the
same exact model as the ones you already have in the filer.  The hard
part is finding the carriers.  I don't know of any place to buy those,
although there must be someone that sells them.  I recently installed
a replacement 9 gb drive in one of my filers and I only paid a little
over $300 for the drive.  Netapp charges almost $2000 for the same
drive.  Something tells me that the carrier is not worth $1600!

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On Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 10:11:24PM -0400, David H. Brierley wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Joe Mays wrote:
> > > Does anyone know of an oem source for scsi drives for use in Netapps
> > > Filers? Network Appliance charges obscene amounts for what are really
> > 
> > You mean SCA drives?
> 
> The drives themselves are standard drives, just make sure you buy the
> same exact model as the ones you already have in the filer.  The hard

Some of them are Fibre Channel.

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On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Dave Carmean wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 10:11:24PM -0400, David H. Brierley wrote:
> > The drives themselves are standard drives, just make sure you buy the
> > same exact model as the ones you already have in the filer.  The hard
> 
> Some of them are Fibre Channel.

Yes, the newer 700 family of filers user fiber channel drives.
However, since the original question was specifically asking about
seagate barracuda scsi drives I made the blind assumption that the
person had one of the older filers.  Even so, are they making some
form of mod to the fiber channel drives or are they just using
standard drives.  I haven't received my new F740 filer yet so I'm
not sure what they have in them, other than the fact that I know
they are using 18 gb fiber channel drives.  I have seen seagate 18
gb fiber channel drives advertised for a lot less than what Netapp
is charging me for the drives, but I would assume that my original
caution will still hold true: make sure you buy the *exact* same
model that Netapp is using or they wont work.

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From owner-freebsd-isp  Wed Jun 16 20:19:30 1999
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If you've got 4.x down there is a pearl script in the 8.x
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Worked like a champ for me.


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On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson wrote:

> I have a 3.1 box running as a gateway/NATD box for  my private network 
> at home using a Cable modem for a connection. My network is using the
> 192.168.x.x IP's. What I would like todo is setup DNS on my gateway/NATD
> box to resolve for my local network <So I do not have to maintain a host
> file on them damn windows boxes> and do my DNS queries out to the internet.
> With this properly configured I would then not have to worry if my cable
> modem provider rotates my segment to a different DNS server because the update
> would come down along with my new DHCP lease. I can do 4.X DNS but this
> version 8.x gets me confused.  I could probably get it if I sat down long
> enough to read but Time is not of the essisence<sp?> Any pointers or 
> assistance is highly appreciated.
> 
> TIA
> -- 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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> The InSaNe One                 		   rm -rf *
> insane@oneinsane.net      	and all was null and void
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> 
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----- Original Message -----
From: David H. Brierley <dave@galaxia.com>
To: Dave Carmean <dlc@silcom.com>
Cc: Matthew N. Dodd <winter@jurai.net>; Joe Mays <jfmays@launchpad.win.net>;
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> On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Dave Carmean wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 10:11:24PM -0400, David H. Brierley wrote:
> > > The drives themselves are standard drives, just make sure you buy the
> > > same exact model as the ones you already have in the filer.  The hard
> >
> > Some of them are Fibre Channel.
>
> Yes, the newer 700 family of filers user fiber channel drives.
> However, since the original question was specifically asking about
> seagate barracuda scsi drives I made the blind assumption that the
> person had one of the older filers.

Yes, it's an older filer with 9G scsi drives.

Joe Mays




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On Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 10:11:24PM -0400, David H. Brierley wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Joe Mays wrote:
> > > Does anyone know of an oem source for scsi drives for use in Netapps
> > > Filers? Network Appliance charges obscene amounts for what are really
> > 
> > You mean SCA drives?
> 
> The drives themselves are standard drives, just make sure you buy the
> same exact model as the ones you already have in the filer.  The hard
> part is finding the carriers.  I don't know of any place to buy those,
> although there must be someone that sells them.  I recently installed
> a replacement 9 gb drive in one of my filers and I only paid a little
> over $300 for the drive.  Netapp charges almost $2000 for the same
> drive.  Something tells me that the carrier is not worth $1600!

If it's old, it plain Digital Storage Works, if it's newer, it's from
Eurologic in Ireland.

/Jesper

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Tele Danmark DataNet, IP section (AS3292)

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From owner-freebsd-isp  Thu Jun 17  5:47:44 1999
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From: Branson Matheson <Branson.Matheson@FergInc.com>
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On Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 10:25:33PM +0100,Karl Pielorz did mutter:

 On hardware raid, just a suggestion, we are using the OMNIServe
 product by TD Systems ( http://www.tdsys.com ). This allows you to
 have mutiple machines hooked to mutiple disks and share them
 accordingly. ( this does NOT mean that two machines can share the
 same filesystem!! ) You can however, do mirroring, and if one machine
 crashes, you can mount the partitions on the other machine and use
 that machine for fail over. Very nice little product.

 Some other things you can do with it that are REAL sexy.. if you
 have a set of cdroms, DVDs, and tapedrives you want to share, you can
 put them all on one bus .. and then connect up to 6 machines to them
 using scsi and they will all be available. There is built in locking
 for tape drives. 

  - branson

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From owner-freebsd-isp  Thu Jun 17  7:53:13 1999
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On Thu, 17 Jun 1999, Jesper Skriver wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 10:11:24PM -0400, David H. Brierley wrote:
> > On Tue, 15 Jun 1999, Matthew N. Dodd wrote:
	[ ... ]
> > The drives themselves are standard drives, just make sure you buy the
> > same exact model as the ones you already have in the filer.  The hard
> > part is finding the carriers.  I don't know of any place to buy those,
> > although there must be someone that sells them.  I recently installed
	[ ... ]
> If it's old, it plain Digital Storage Works, if it's newer, it's from
> Eurologic in Ireland.

Ah-ha! Thank you! This explains why Eurologic's web site has more VMS than
NT or Unix references in their tech stuff. I was really wondering why they
mentioned VMS disk structures so specifically. It was like walking into
a museum... - Jy@



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From owner-freebsd-isp  Thu Jun 17 16:18:58 1999
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Hello,
   Quite a few of our users play online games through the various game
servers, i.e. Quake II, Tribes, Starcraft, etc.  I've had a couple of
reports that users are getting high latency and some packet loss.  When I
ping the servers they're playing on I show perfect packet response and low
latency.  I also show this when I ping the customer through his modem.  I
know this could I know most of these games communicate through UDP so I'm
wondering if there are any good tools for analyzing packets using either
TCP or UDP rather than ICMP.

   What are some other ISP's solutions for customer complaints like this?

Thanks!
Deepwell Internet

   


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On Thu, Jun 17, 1999 at 04:17:34PM -0700, Deepwell Internet wrote:
> Hello,
>    Quite a few of our users play online games through the various game
> servers, i.e. Quake II, Tribes, Starcraft, etc.  I've had a couple of
> reports that users are getting high latency and some packet loss.  When I
> ping the servers they're playing on I show perfect packet response and low
> latency.  I also show this when I ping the customer through his modem.  I
> know this could I know most of these games communicate through UDP so I'm
> wondering if there are any good tools for analyzing packets using either
> TCP or UDP rather than ICMP.

You may want to check out echoping in the /usr/ports/net collection.
According to the docs:

  "echoping" is a small program to test (approximatively) performances of a
  remote host by sending it TCP "echo" (or other protocol) packets.
     
  - uses the protocols echo, discard, chargen or HTTP,
  - uses UDP instead of TCP for the protocols which accept it (like echo),
  - can repeat the test and display various measures about it,
  - can use T/TCP on systems which support it.
   
Haven't tried it myself.

--Mark
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From owner-freebsd-isp  Fri Jun 18 13:46:31 1999
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We got a real verisign'ed key for one of our webservers.

Can I use that key to sign keys for other servers?

Leif




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