From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 5 12:52:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05780 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:52:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcol.humberc.on.ca (hcol.humberc.on.ca [142.214.101.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA05768 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:52:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scqdaf@globalserve.net) X-ROUTED: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:52:06 -0500 Received: from [10.1.0.5] [209.90.135.198] by hcol.humberc.on.ca with smtp id $T100770 ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:51:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Sender: scqdaf@mail.globalserve.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:52:05 -0500 To: FreeBSD-Newbies From: Dennis Favro Subject: Sound Card Recommendations Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can anyone recommend a good sound card for a FreeBSD system? Can you still get sound cards with jumpers or software-programmable IRQ/DMA/IO Addresses? --Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 5 13:56:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16645 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:56:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from geek.grf.ov.com (geek.grf.ov.com [192.251.86.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16608 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:56:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ksmm@threespace.com) Received: from pebbles (pebbles.cam.veritas.com [166.98.49.16]) by geek.grf.ov.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA28100; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 17:03:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199901052203.RAA28100@geek.grf.ov.com> X-Sender: ksmm@mail.cybercom.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:55:18 -0500 To: Dennis Favro , FreeBSD-Newbies From: The Classiest Man Alive Subject: Re: Sound Card Recommendations In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The SoundBlaster 16 Value cards still have jumpers on them, and they're priced very cheaply right now (around $40 US). --K.S. At 03:52 PM 1/5/99 , Dennis Favro wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good sound card for a FreeBSD system? 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Please click the REPLY button and put the word “REMOVE” in the subject line to have your name promptly deleted. ************************************************************************************* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 5 19:27:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA03505 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:27:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.urjet.net ([209.85.70.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03500 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:27:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nebula@accesscomm.net) Received: from nebula (2Cust63.tnt11.hou3.da.uu.net [208.254.243.191]) by mail.urjet.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA13424 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:26:57 -0800 Message-ID: <00cd01be3924$86bb99c0$bff3fed0@nebula> From: "Shane Reid" To: Subject: Adaptec UW SCSI Card Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:27:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have heard some interesting things about the drivers for the adaptec cards still being a little buggy and that I should choose a buslogic/mylex card over adaptec due to the drivers. Anyone know anything about this or have any recommendations? Thanks, Shane To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 5 20:23:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA09283 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:23:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA09277 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:23:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id UAA00666; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:18:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:18:01 -0800 (PST) From: rick hamell To: Shane Reid cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec UW SCSI Card In-Reply-To: <00cd01be3924$86bb99c0$bff3fed0@nebula> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have heard some interesting things about the drivers for the adaptec cards > still being a little buggy and that I should choose a buslogic/mylex card > over adaptec due to the drivers. Anyone know anything about this or have > any recommendations? Actually, it's not the drivers, it's the BIOS on the cards themselves. Try to find something with the NCR875 chipset, like the Asus SC-875 Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 5 21:43:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18084 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:43:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from b.mx.crl.com (bmx.crl.com [165.113.1.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18078 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:43:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anarchy@crl.com) Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by b.mx.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id VAA29423 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:42:55 -0800 (PST) env-from (anarchy@crl.com) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:42:54 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Manes To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec UW SCSI Card In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, rick hamell wrote: > > > I have heard some interesting things about the drivers for the adaptec cards > > still being a little buggy and that I should choose a buslogic/mylex card > > over adaptec due to the drivers. Anyone know anything about this or have > > any recommendations? > > Actually, it's not the drivers, it's the BIOS on the cards themselves. > Try to find something with the NCR875 chipset, like the Asus SC-875 > > Rick didn't NCR get bought out? A friend has bought an "ABP940-UW" Advansys card because it has better linux support. They make their own drivers and give away its source code, while Adaptec has pledged linux support but all drivers are from 3rd parties. That means some technologies may not be exploited on Adaptec's side. FreeBSD can easily run the linux drivers, or you could even edit the code if you wish. I'm happy with my adaptec.. but Advansys may be better for unix... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 7 12:16:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29591 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 12:16:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mb04.swip.net (mb04.swip.net [193.12.122.208]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29558 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 12:16:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas.paulsson@mbox303.swipnet.se) Received: from mbox303.swipnet.se (dialup95-2-17.swipnet.se [130.244.95.81]) by mb04.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA01766 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:15:36 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <369515D8.B12A2DE3@mbox303.swipnet.se> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 21:15:20 +0100 From: andreas paulsson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: FreeBSD installation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Recently I tried to install FreeBSD on 3 computers but the bootdisk wouldn't boot on any of them. I tried to change those boot parameters but still default was the only setting that worked. However, the boot sequenze didn't get far before the computer restarted again. Does anyone know what the error could be in this case? All computers has different hardware. Best Regards / Andreas Paulsson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 7 13:07:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07385 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:07:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Pegasus.cc.ucf.edu [132.170.240.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07118 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:06:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ewayte@mail.ucf.edu) Received: from mail.ucf.edu ([132.170.243.150]:2800 "HELO mail.ucf.edu" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by pegasus.cc.ucf.edu with SMTP id <5902-16724>; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:01:05 -0500 Received: from ucf-mc-Message_Server by mail.ucf.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 07 Jan 1999 16:03:14 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 16:02:58 -0500 From: "Eric Wayte" To: , Subject: Re: FreeBSD installation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andreas, You might want to post your question on the freebsd-questions list. Also, when posting, try to provide as much detail as possible such as FreeBSD release, PC specs, etc. Good luck! Eric Wayte >>> andreas paulsson 1/7/99 15:15:20 >>> Hi, Recently I tried to install FreeBSD on 3 computers but the bootdisk wouldn't boot on any of them. I tried to change those boot parameters but still default was the only setting that worked. However, the boot sequenze didn't get far before the computer restarted again. Does anyone know what the error could be in this case? All computers has different hardware. Best Regards / Andreas Paulsson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 7 20:21:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26292 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:21:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA26280 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:21:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (ppp-110-1.mtl.aei.ca [207.107.110.1]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA02789 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 1999 23:21:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36958774.8135CE68@aei.ca> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 23:20:04 -0500 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: The FreeBSD User Guide Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD User Guide (that name may change..) http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/freebsd/ "This is a kind of Q&A/tutorial on the basics of the FreeBSD Operating System (OS), a UNIX variant. It's made for people who never used a UNIX OS." I think it's now in a state where I can send this to newbies@freebsd.org. I would like people to read it, and complain about what's not good and what's not enough good. Change: 1) I have reviewed, rewrited, improved my english (it's not perfect but...), made a tons of change, etc.. 2) No more white on a black background. 3) More Sections 4) It's now all in GTML, a tool to manage that big thing. 5) It's bigger :-) I would like 1) Corrections (diff or whatever) 2) English corrections (diff or whatever) 3) Suggestions 4) Is it good? Thank You -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/] [LowRent.Org is down...] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 8 06:37:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01517 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 06:37:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from loviatar.webcom.com (loviatar.webcom.com [209.1.28.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01509 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 06:37:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from graeme@echidna.com) Received: from kigal.webcom.com (kigal.webcom.com [209.1.28.57]) by loviatar.webcom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA12954; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 06:37:06 -0800 Received: from [204.143.69.51] by inanna.webcom.com (WebCom SMTP 1.2.1) with SMTP id 16238095; Fri Jan 08 06:35 PST 1999 Message-Id: <3696183A.1FD5@echidna.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 09:37:46 -0500 From: Graeme Tait Organization: Echidna X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Malartre Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD User Guide References: <36958774.8135CE68@aei.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Malartre wrote: > > The FreeBSD User Guide (that name may change..) > http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/freebsd/ > > "This is a kind of Q&A/tutorial on the basics of the FreeBSD Operating > System (OS), a UNIX variant. It's made for people who never used a UNIX > OS." I like it! (But don't have time for a detailed look just now.) One specific comment - you suggest "cat" for printing files to the screen, as does at least one Unix book I have. I started off using "cat" as a raw beginner as that was what I was "told". Then someone was roasted on this list for using "cat" for this purpose, and ever since I've used the suggested "more" or "less". It was not explained in detail why "cat" was inappropriate, although one issue seemed to be with listing files with arbitrary content. Certainly "cat filename | more" is redundant: "more filename" is sufficient. -- Graeme Tait - Echidna To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 8 07:26:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06635 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 07:26:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pop03.globecomm.net (pop03.globecomm.net [206.253.130.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06630 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 07:26:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r24.bfm.org [208.18.213.120]) by pop03.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA12683; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:25:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990108091657.0089e2c0@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: Stanislav@mail.bfm.org (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 09:16:57 -0600 To: Malartre , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: The FreeBSD User Guide In-Reply-To: <36958774.8135CE68@aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 23:20 07-01-1999 -0500, Malartre wrote: >The FreeBSD User Guide (that name may change..) >http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/freebsd/ Hello, Is the new URL a permanent change? It used to be at lowrent.org/freebsd, right? I am asking because I have a link to it from my CGI Tutorial. I originally found your tutorial on the newbies page of FreeBSD.org, and liked it very much. It really helped me get started with running FreeBSD. I just wanted to thank you: Your user guide is truly great! Adam ===> Whiz Kid Technomagic <=== http://www.whizkidtech.net/ The resource center for webmasters and web users Winner of the Starting Point Hot Site award Winner of the Lighthouse Award Home of the Web Magic Award To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 8 09:37:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25199 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:37:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goodall1.u.washington.edu (goodall1.u.washington.edu [140.142.12.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25193 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:37:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from durang@u.washington.edu) Received: from localhost (durang@localhost) by goodall1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id JAA102130; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:37:04 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:37:04 -0800 (PST) From: "K. Marsh" To: Graeme Tait cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD User Guide In-Reply-To: <3696183A.1FD5@echidna.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Graeme Tait wrote: > One specific comment - you suggest "cat" for printing files to the screen, > as does at least one Unix book I have. > > I started off using "cat" as a raw beginner as that was what I was "told". > Then someone was roasted on this list for using "cat" for this purpose, and > ever since I've used the suggested "more" or "less". It was not explained in > detail why "cat" was inappropriate, although one issue seemed to be with > listing files with arbitrary content. I don't know why anybody would roast someone for using "cat" on a newbie list, but more is certainly more preferable, because if the whole file fits on a screen, it's output is the same as that of cat, and if it doesn't fit on a screen, then cat's doing work that doesn't provide any benefit - because it rolls off the screen before you can read it. Also, more has a search feature - by type in a "/string" you can search the document for the next occurance of "string". This is very useful. I'm willing to bet, however, that many books written for beginners suggest using cat because cat is one of the most fundamental commands available in UNIX, and a new user should learn to be proficient with cat before they learn more. Also, more is less valuable when working with other begginner's commands, like tar and sort, pipes, and file redirection. For example cat phonelist.txt | sort tar -cvf backup.tar 'cat files-to-back-up-list.txt' (the single quotes should be the other ones - below ~ on the keyboard - but I can't type them becuase I'm using a Mac in the lab at school.) I don't think more would work in these cases, but.... cat phonelist.txt | sort | more certainly would be a good idea. Kenneth J. Marsh University of Washington durang@u.washington.edu Chemical Engineering To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 8 10:01:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA28221 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:01:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zephyr.cybercom.net (zephyr.cybercom.net [209.21.146.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28197 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:01:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ksmm@threespace.com) Received: from shell1.cybercom.net (ksmm@shell1.cybercom.net [209.21.136.6]) by zephyr.cybercom.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA29785 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ksmm@localhost) by shell1.cybercom.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA01114 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:01:03 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.cybercom.net: ksmm owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:01:03 -0500 (EST) From: The Classiest Man Alive X-Sender: ksmm@shell1.cybercom.net To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD User Guide In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, K. Marsh wrote: : cat phonelist.txt | sort : cat phonelist.txt | sort | more Doesn't sort take a filename as an argument, so that these examples could just start with sort phonelist.txt instead? --K.S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 8 10:15:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA00812 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:15:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hera.webcom.com (hera.webcom.com [209.1.28.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA00798 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:15:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from graeme@echidna.com) Received: from eresh.webcom.com (eresh.webcom.com [209.1.28.49]) by hera.webcom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA02413; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:14:45 -0800 Received: from [204.143.69.51] by inanna.webcom.com (WebCom SMTP 1.2.1) with SMTP id 25289175; Fri Jan 08 10:12 PST 1999 Message-Id: <36964B41.742B@echidna.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 13:15:29 -0500 From: Graeme Tait Organization: Echidna X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "K. Marsh" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD User Guide References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org K. Marsh wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Graeme Tait wrote: > > > One specific comment - you suggest "cat" for printing files to the screen, > > as does at least one Unix book I have. > > > > I started off using "cat" as a raw beginner as that was what I was "told". > > Then someone was roasted on this list for using "cat" for this purpose, and > > ever since I've used the suggested "more" or "less". It was not explained in > > detail why "cat" was inappropriate, although one issue seemed to be with > > listing files with arbitrary content. > > I don't know why anybody would roast someone for using "cat" on a newbie > list, but more is certainly more preferable, because if the whole file > fits on a screen, it's output is the same as that of cat, and if it > doesn't fit on a screen, then cat's doing work that doesn't provide any > benefit - because it rolls off the screen before you can read it. Also, > more has a search feature - by type in a "/string" you can search the > document for the next occurance of "string". This is very useful. Actually, I didn't realize this was "newbies" - the post I referred to was I think on questions, although I've been unable to find it with a search of the archives. "cat" and "more" or "less" are not the same when processing non-printing characters to the screen. "cat" as I understand it sends non-printing characters literally to the screen, "more" and "less" replace them with printing versions. I got the impression from the post I mentioned that sending non-printing characters to the screen might get you into trouble. Certainly, I've had it do strange things to a telnet session. > I'm willing to bet, however, that many books written for beginners suggest > using cat because cat is one of the most fundamental commands available in > UNIX, and a new user should learn to be proficient with cat before they > learn more. Also, more is less valuable when working with other > begginner's commands, like tar and sort, pipes, and file redirection. Yes, cat has its place - but what the poster claimed was that place did not include outputting files to the screen (as a matter of habit), and that newbies should not be educated to use it that way. I'm just repeating (my paraphrase from memory) of what the post said - I'd be interest in hearing any comments on the above. -- Graeme Tait - Echidna To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 8 10:25:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02369 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:25:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02350 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:25:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA08541; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:22:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 10:22:59 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199901081822.KAA08541@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: ksmm@threespace.com, newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD User Guide In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:01:03 -0500 (EST) >From: The Classiest Man Alive >On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, K. Marsh wrote: >: cat phonelist.txt | sort >: cat phonelist.txt | sort | more >Doesn't sort take a filename as an argument, so that these examples could >just start with > sort phonelist.txt >instead? pau-amma[1] man sort SORT(1) SORT(1) NAME sort - sort lines of text files SYNOPSIS sort [-cmus] [-t separator] [-o output-file] [-T tempdir] [-bdfiMnr] [+POS1 [-POS2]] [-k POS1[,POS2]] [file...] sort {--help,--version} .... Yes. david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 8 13:40:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29125 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:40:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goodall1.u.washington.edu (goodall1.u.washington.edu [140.142.12.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29118 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:40:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from durang@u.washington.edu) Received: from localhost (durang@localhost) by goodall1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA199440; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:39:33 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:39:33 -0800 (PST) From: "K. Marsh" To: Graeme Tait cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD User Guide In-Reply-To: <36964B41.742B@echidna.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, Graeme Tait wrote: > Yes, cat has its place - but what the poster claimed was that place did not > include outputting files to the screen (as a matter of habit), and that newbies > should not be educated to use it that way. Yeah, I agree with that. Kenneth J. Marsh University of Washington durang@u.washington.edu Chemical Engineering To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 8 13:42:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29475 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:42:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goodall1.u.washington.edu (goodall1.u.washington.edu [140.142.12.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29461 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:42:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from durang@u.washington.edu) Received: from localhost (durang@localhost) by goodall1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id NAA199520; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:41:40 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:41:39 -0800 (PST) From: "K. Marsh" To: The Classiest Man Alive cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD User Guide In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, The Classiest Man Alive wrote: > On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, K. Marsh wrote: > > : cat phonelist.txt | sort > : cat phonelist.txt | sort | more > > > Doesn't sort take a filename as an argument, so that these examples could > just start with > > sort phonelist.txt They sure could, but then you wouldn't be learning how to use a pipe, which was the premise of the example. Kenneth J. Marsh University of Washington durang@u.washington.edu Chemical Engineering To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 8 17:30:43 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23496 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:30:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23490 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:30:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (ppp-110-120.mtl.aei.ca [207.107.110.120]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA15545; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 20:30:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3696B0D6.E6975FCD@aei.ca> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 20:28:54 -0500 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Graeme Tait CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD User Guide References: <36958774.8135CE68@aei.ca> <3696183A.1FD5@echidna.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Graeme Tait wrote: > Certainly "cat filename | more" is redundant: "more filename" is sufficient. > > -- > Graeme Tait - Echidna Well, you should have seen http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/freebsd/more1.html And has K. Marsh said, how could I introduce pipe so simply without the cat exemple :-) Thank You -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/] [LowRent.Org is down...] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 8 17:30:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23538 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:30:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23523 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:30:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA10008 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:30:17 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:30:17 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199901090130.MAA10008@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:charters.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 8 17:37:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA24287 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:37:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24281 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:37:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (ppp-110-120.mtl.aei.ca [207.107.110.120]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16278; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 20:36:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3696B259.F87B36A1@aei.ca> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 20:35:21 -0500 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "G. Adam Stanislav" CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD User Guide References: <3.0.6.32.19990108091657.0089e2c0@mail.bfm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "G. Adam Stanislav" wrote: > > At 23:20 07-01-1999 -0500, Malartre wrote: > >The FreeBSD User Guide (that name may change..) > >http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/freebsd/ > > Hello, > > Is the new URL a permanent change? It used to be at lowrent.org/freebsd, > right? > > I am asking because I have a link to it from my CGI Tutorial. I originally > found your tutorial on the newbies page of FreeBSD.org, and liked it very > much. It really helped me get started with running FreeBSD. > > I just wanted to thank you: Your user guide is truly great! > > Adam > > ===> Whiz Kid Technomagic <=== > http://www.whizkidtech.net/ > The resource center for webmasters and web users > Winner of the Starting Point Hot Site award > Winner of the Lighthouse Award > Home of the Web Magic Award Lowrent.org is down for an unknow reason (probably money). I was moving on Lowrent because I was thinking that it would be more stable (I may change ISP...). But it's not a succes, and I think it will be on AEI.CA until I change ISP. Thank You -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/] [LowRent.Org is down...] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 8 17:55:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25541 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:55:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA25529 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:55:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA10074; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:54:18 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19990109125415.41289@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 12:54:15 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Malartre Cc: Graeme Tait , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD User Guide References: <36958774.8135CE68@aei.ca> <3696183A.1FD5@echidna.com> <3696B0D6.E6975FCD@aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3696B0D6.E6975FCD@aei.ca>; from Malartre on Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 08:28:54PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 08:28:54PM -0500, Malartre wrote: > Graeme Tait wrote: > > Certainly "cat filename | more" is redundant: "more filename" is sufficient. > > > > -- > > Graeme Tait - Echidna > Well, you should have seen > http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/freebsd/more1.html > And has K. Marsh said, how could I introduce pipe so simply without the > cat exemple :-) dmesg | more ls -l | more -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 8 18:22:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA28302 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:22:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hecate.webcom.com (hecate.webcom.com [209.1.28.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28297 for ; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:22:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from graeme@echidna.com) Received: from kigal.webcom.com (kigal.webcom.com [209.1.28.57]) by hecate.webcom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA13237; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:21:45 -0800 Received: from [204.143.69.51] by inanna.webcom.com (WebCom SMTP 1.2.1) with SMTP id 25480002; Fri Jan 08 18:19 PST 1999 Message-Id: <3696BD61.F5@echidna.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:22:25 -0500 From: Graeme Tait Organization: Echidna X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Malartre Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD User Guide References: <36958774.8135CE68@aei.ca> <3696183A.1FD5@echidna.com> <3696B0D6.E6975FCD@aei.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Malartre wrote: > > Graeme Tait wrote: > > Certainly "cat filename | more" is redundant: "more filename" is sufficient. > > > > -- > > Graeme Tait - Echidna > Well, you should have seen > http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/freebsd/more1.html > And has K. Marsh said, how could I introduce pipe so simply without the > cat exemple :-) (Please note, I'm not complaining about your user guide - I think it's great! However, the cat example struck a nerve!) There's no need to use cat in a case like that above. I think its best not to give newbies examples they have to unlearn - I've already been down this path with cat, having found a similar example in a standard UNIX text. As a beginner, you get into questions like "well it looks like I could just do 'more filename' but the book says 'cat filename | more' so I guess there must be a good reason for that, so I'll follow the book ... but ???". I would choose a simple case where the pipe is clearly necessary. For example, > ls -l | more to page a file listing of a directory with many files, say /usr/bin . This lets you introduce the pipe and the paging program. The example you give uses cat to transfer the contents of a file to stdout, and pipes that to stdin. AFAIK, since most commands (that can accept input from stdin) can accept input from a single file directly, this application of cat has very limited utility. The true uses I've found for cat are (1) creating short text files directly, as in > cat > file[input text here] ^D and (2) concatenating files, as in > cat file1 file2 > bothfiles -- Graeme Tait - Echidna To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 9 02:57:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA14547 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 02:57:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from aew.k2.dorm.ncku.edu.tw (aew.k2.dorm.ncku.edu.tw [140.116.116.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA14531 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 02:57:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@aew.k2.dorm.ncku.edu.tw) Received: (from root@localhost) by aew.k2.dorm.ncku.edu.tw (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA00492 for newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 19:00:40 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from root) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 19:00:40 +0800 (CST) From: Charlie Root Message-Id: <199901091100.TAA00492@aew.k2.dorm.ncku.edu.tw> To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: find a error in The FreeBSD User Guide (i guess) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org $ pwd /home/elvis $ ls -l drwxr-xr-x 3 elvis wheel 512 28 nov 18:49 mydir -rw-r--r-- 1 elvis wheel 60 26 nov 19:50 notes $ ls -l mydir drwxr-xr-x 2 elvis elvis 512 28 nov 18:49 dir $ ln -s mydir/dir dir $ ls -l lrwxrwxrwx 1 elvis elvis 9 28 nov 18:56 dir -> mydir/dir because dir is a directory so it may changed as follows:? lrwxrwxrwx 1 elvis elvis 9 28 nov 18:56 dir -> mydir/dir(/)? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 9 10:17:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23207 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:17:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23202 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:17:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (ppp-109-222.mtl.aei.ca [207.107.109.222]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12611; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 13:15:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36979C7F.2C771900@aei.ca> Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 13:14:24 -0500 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Charlie Root CC: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: find a error in The FreeBSD User Guide (i guess) References: <199901091100.TAA00492@aew.k2.dorm.ncku.edu.tw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Charlie Root wrote: > > $ pwd > /home/elvis > $ ls -l > drwxr-xr-x 3 elvis wheel 512 28 nov 18:49 mydir > -rw-r--r-- 1 elvis wheel 60 26 nov 19:50 notes > $ ls -l mydir > drwxr-xr-x 2 elvis elvis 512 28 nov 18:49 dir > $ ln -s mydir/dir dir > $ ls -l > lrwxrwxrwx 1 elvis elvis 9 28 nov 18:56 dir -> mydir/dir > > because dir is a directory > so it may changed as follows:? > lrwxrwxrwx 1 elvis elvis 9 28 nov 18:56 dir -> mydir/dir(/)? Hi You should not be has root when you e-mail something(when you do anything..). Charlie Root is the name of the root user. It is not an error, because if you do the command ls -l on a directory where there is a symbolic link, you won't have that (/) at the end. Try it Thank You -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/] [LowRent.Org is down...] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 9 10:18:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23675 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:18:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23670 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 10:18:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (ppp-109-222.mtl.aei.ca [207.107.109.222]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12901; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 13:18:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36979D19.7E8D4D6C@aei.ca> Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 13:16:57 -0500 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake CC: Graeme Tait , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD User Guide (cat) References: <36958774.8135CE68@aei.ca> <3696183A.1FD5@echidna.com> <3696B0D6.E6975FCD@aei.ca> <19990109125415.41289@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 08, 1999 at 08:28:54PM -0500, Malartre wrote: > > Graeme Tait wrote: > > > Certainly "cat filename | more" is redundant: "more filename" is sufficient. > > > > > > -- > > > Graeme Tait - Echidna > > Well, you should have seen > > http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/freebsd/more1.html > > And has K. Marsh said, how could I introduce pipe so simply without the > > cat exemple :-) > > dmesg | more > ls -l | more > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- "cat" is gone. And dmesg is there :-) "more" replace "cat", section 12.01, I guess it's ok now? Cya -- [Malartre][malartre@aei.ca][http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/] [LowRent.Org is down...] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 9 19:50:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA23316 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 19:50:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA23306 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 19:50:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from GiGiByTe@aol.com) From: GiGiByTe@aol.com Received: from GiGiByTe@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id DPRFa04317 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 1999 22:49:51 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <73f48ad4.3698235f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 22:49:51 EST To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Hi Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 207 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, I just installed FreeBSD as a stand alone OS of one of my home computers. I have been a Linux user for over a year, and i was curious to try out FreeBSD. And so far, I love it. I wanted to start a FreeBSD Users group in NH, and I was sondering if you had anyinfo on how icould go about this. I was also wondering if you would support my group, by sending us products, and information. Thanks for your time. BJ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message