From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 15 1:31:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.austasia.net (ausns1.austasia.net [203.23.167.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A53091543E for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:31:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nar@austasia.net) Received: (qmail 17067 invoked from network); 15 Mar 1999 10:29:54 -0000 Received: from ppp42.melbourne.austasia.net (HELO geffen) (203.23.160.142) by ausns1.austasia.net with SMTP; 15 Mar 1999 10:29:54 -0000 From: "Nigel A Reading" To: Subject: Loading Distributions/Packages from CD Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:40:42 +1000 Message-ID: <000101be6ec7$e4e36e50$02000080@geffen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Good evening All, I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction. I am trying to load some of the packages and distributions from CD and I am getting the following warning message : Warning : XXXXXXX is a required package but was not found. where XXXXXXX is the package name. I have copy of the FreeDSB 2.2.8 CD's from Walnut Creek. Thanking you in advance for your help with this matter. Kind Regards Nigel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 15 7:39:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from Pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Pegasus.cc.ucf.edu [132.170.240.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3CB14FD4 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:38:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ewayte@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu) Received: from Pegasus.cc.ucf.edu ([132.170.240.30]:40313 "HELO pegasus.cc.ucf.edu" ident: "ewayte") by pegasus.cc.ucf.edu with SMTP id <1476-17259>; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:34:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:34:37 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Wayte To: Nigel A Reading Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loading Distributions/Packages from CD In-Reply-To: <000101be6ec7$e4e36e50$02000080@geffen> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Due to the large number of packages now included with the CD distribution, the packages are spread across two discs. The way I've solved this is to note the 'offending' package, exit sysinstall, pop in the other CD, and add the package. Not very efficient, but it works for me. Eric Wayte Database Administrator University of Central Florida ewayte@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Nigel A Reading wrote: > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:40:42 +1000 > From: Nigel A Reading > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: Loading Distributions/Packages from CD > > Good evening All, > > I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction. I am > trying to load some of the packages and distributions from CD and I am > getting the following warning message : > > Warning : XXXXXXX is a required package but was not found. > > where XXXXXXX is the package name. > > I have copy of the FreeDSB 2.2.8 CD's from Walnut Creek. > > Thanking you in advance for your help with this matter. > > Kind Regards > > Nigel > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 15 8:31: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from geek.grf.ov.com (geek.grf.ov.com [192.251.86.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FFE14FE9 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:30:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ksmm@threespace.com) Received: from pebbles (pebbles.cam.veritas.com [166.98.49.16]) by geek.grf.ov.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA27529; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:30:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903151630.LAA27529@geek.grf.ov.com> X-Sender: ksmm@mail.cybercom.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:17:28 -0500 To: "G. Adam Stanislav" From: The Classiest Man Alive Subject: Re: Horror story Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990312184205.008eabe0@mail.bfm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My experience with Ontrack Disk Manager has been that it's only good for -creating- partitions on the large IDE hard drives, and only FAT partitions at that. Even then, it will only allow your primary DOS installation to recognize those partitions; it won't allow you to boot from them. Being able to boot from partitions near the end of such a big disk require BIOS support to remap the drive to fewer cylinders (e.g., LBA mode). No OS or utility can work around this limitation. Check with your motherboard manufacturer to see if your BIOS is upgradable. Many modern boards can be easily flash upgraded with a small download form the manufacturer's web site. --K.S. PS -- Some of these utilities restore their special boot sector as their first activity on startup, which is why it can be difficult to rid your system of them at times. At 07:42 PM 3/12/99 , G. Adam Stanislav wrote: >Hello, folks, > >I do not know what else to call it but a horror story. > >Yesterday I received my new 10.2 Gig hard drive. I ordered it because I was >running FreeBSD on a 60 Meg slice I cut out of my Windows disk. > >Well, my BIOS CMOS would not accept 10.2 Gig. I called the manufacturer's >tech support, and explained I needed a @ Gig slice for Windows, and the >rest for FreeBSD. "For what?" Unix, you know, FreeBSD. > >"Oh, no problem, you need Ontrack Disk Manager. That will let you do that. >Download it from our web site." > >I did as advised. It turned out Disk Manager is a brain dead piece of >software. It partitioned the disk into 5 2 Gig partitions, and OVEROTE my >MBR!!! Form then on, I was unable to log back on to my small FreeBSD system. > >So, I uninstalled Disk Manager and deleted all partitions but the first >one. No good. My MBR was still coming up with Disk Manager! > >I logged onto FreeBSD.org and read the section on how to restore my MBR. >The software said it restored my MBR successfully. Rejoiced, I rebooted, >just to get the Disk Manager again. > >I finally decided to say good bye to everything I had on my FreeBSD and to >install version 3.1 from scratch. This morning, I started the ftp download. > >Nine hours later, I was disconnected from my ISP (it has happened before, >and they always blamed it on me, so I did not even bother calling them). > >The install program happily continued with the system setup. adding users, >configuring fonts, etc. Then I rebooted. Got as far as "boot:". > >>From then on, no matter what I typed in (such as wd1, wd1s2a, or just plain >enter), the "boot:" thing just kept coming. > >I got this wonderful hard disk, I got the most powerful OS in the world on >it, but I cannot use it. > >Any suggestions??? > >Adam >--- >Want to design your own web counter? >Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 15 9:28:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from localhost (node2.net6.fundy.net [24.231.6.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C76114D60 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:27:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcostain@ebci.ca) Received: by localhost with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.00.11 RI-0000000) for at Mon, 15 Mar 99 13:42:39 +-400 Message-ID: <000701be6f09$49a5bd20$0c06e718@orifice.incognito> From: "JCostain" To: Subject: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:28:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6EE7.C259FA50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6EE7.C259FA50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was just thinking of installing FBSD on a laptop, an old 486 any tips?? I am definately a Newbie, WINNT 4 based mostly, I want to broaden my = horizons, with Unix. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. J Costain ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6EE7.C259FA50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was just thinking of installing = FBSD on a=20 laptop, an old 486
 
any tips??
 
I am definately a Newbie, WINNT 4 = based mostly,=20 I want to broaden my horizons, with Unix.
 
Any tips would be greatly=20 appreciated.
 
J Costain
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6EE7.C259FA50-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 15 9:46:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from maila.telia.com (maila.telia.com [194.236.189.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E11B150B5 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:46:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lyons@telia.com) Received: from d1o84.telia.com (root@d1o84.telia.com [62.20.178.241]) by maila.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01690 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:46:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from a010431761 (t4o45p46.telia.com [62.20.159.166]) by d1o84.telia.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA10097 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:46:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000801be6f0c$f76a92c0$a69f143e@a010431761> From: "lyons" To: Subject: Query / Laptop Install Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:53:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6F15.13383680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6F15.13383680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Sir(s), Just registered and downloaded tons of your documentation ( including = handbook, etc. ). Noticed nothing dealing in particular with installing = freeBSD on laptops? Install target platform is a Laptop / AST, Ascentia, 900Nf, 4/75 CT10, = 75mhz cpu, 500 mb harddisk, 16 mb ram, Plan to download install files from your ftp site, with a desktop pc, = then make disks and try to install on the laptop. re the little memory I've available ... is there a " light " version of = freeBSD, but still enough to use with, e.g., " beginers tutorial ", = which files are needed, and what amount of memory is required? Please, advise on lead to subject info. Wait your kind rapid reply and = remain, Sincerely, Larry Lyons Student=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6F15.13383680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Sir(s),
 
Just registered and downloaded tons = of your=20 documentation ( including handbook, etc. ). Noticed nothing dealing in=20 particular with installing freeBSD on laptops?
 
Install target platform is a = Laptop / AST,=20 Ascentia,  900Nf, 4/75 CT10, 75mhz cpu, 500 mb harddisk, 16 mb=20 ram,
 
Plan to download install files from your ftp site, = with a=20 desktop pc, then make disks and try to install on the = laptop.
 
re = the little memory=20 I've available ... is there = a "=20 light " version of freeBSD, but still enough to use with, e.g., = "=20 beginers tutorial ", which files are needed, and what amount of = memory is=20 required?
 
Please, advise on lead to subject info. Wait your = kind rapid=20 reply and remain,
 
Sincerely,
Larry Lyons
Student 
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6F15.13383680-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 15 10: 9:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from shrike.depaul.edu (shrike.depaul.edu [140.192.1.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895DD14BE7 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:09:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mhughes@shrike.depaul.edu) Received: from localhost (mhughes@localhost) by shrike.depaul.edu (8.8.3/8.5) with SMTP id MAA19523; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:02:59 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:02:57 -0600 (CST) From: Matthew J Hughes To: Nigel A Reading Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Loading Distributions/Packages from CD In-Reply-To: <000101be6ec7$e4e36e50$02000080@geffen> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Nigel A Reading wrote: > I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction. I am > trying to load some of the packages and distributions from CD and I am > getting the following warning message : > > Warning : XXXXXXX is a required package but was not found. > where XXXXXXX is the package name. > I have copy of the FreeDSB 2.2.8 CD's from Walnut Creek. > Thanking you in advance for your help with this matter. > Nigel Oh I have been reading enough of the mannuals that I have a fuzzy idea of the answer to this question. Certain programs require others to been on the system. If they are not there you will get an error when you try to make them because it can not find them. For example, If you try to make xnameofprogramhere and you do not have X made then you would get an error. At least that is my guess. I have not gotten that far. I borrowed the CD's and returned them before I knew what I was doing. My isp drops in ~18 seconds. they say it is Ameritech(the phone company) and Ameritech says it's not them. Hey would somebody let me know if my guess is right ? Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 15 12:22:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ic.net (ic.net [152.160.8.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0ABAA14E87 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:22:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Gus@Economics.net) Received: (qmail 17342 invoked from network); 15 Mar 1999 20:22:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO economics.net) (152.160.61.1) by unknown with SMTP; 15 Mar 1999 20:22:59 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] by economics.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2.1b3); Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:18:28 -0500 X-Sender: Gus@mail.sleeplabsoftware.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000801be6f0c$f76a92c0$a69f143e@a010431761> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:20:19 -0500 To: "lyons" , jcostain@ebci.ca From: Edwin Gustafson Subject: Re: Query / Laptop Install Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, FWIW, I've had good results with FreeBSD 2.2.8 installed on a 486-class laptop. It's a nice system: 20MB RAM, 500MB HD, CD-ROM drive, Adaptec SCSI adapter, 3Com ethernet adapter. In order to shoehorn the entire installation into the 250MB of hard disk space I could dedicate to FreeBSD, I elected not to install XFree86, emacs, or any source code. The result is a simple but very functional machine for prototyping web applications. BTW, I learned the part about not installing extra packages the hard way: I tried to install something which filled up the /usr partition halfway through the installation process. Deleting the package didn't seem to work very well. I guess the package was left in a sort of half-installed state. My solution was to just reinstall the system, which may not be convenient if you're installing from floppies, as Larry aparently is. If anyone can enighten me about how to gauge how much disk space a package will require before installing it, I'd be grateful. ----- Edwin Gustafson Gus@Economics.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 15 13: 2:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from shell.tsoft.com (shell.tsoft.com [207.201.34.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E37E15023 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:02:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from philip@civex.com) Received: (from philip@localhost) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA20192; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:01:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:01:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903152101.NAA20192@shell.tsoft.com> X-Authentication-Warning: shell.tsoft.com: philip set sender to philip@civex.com using -f From: Philip Stripling To: jcostain@ebci.ca Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <000701be6f09$49a5bd20$0c06e718@orifice.incognito> (jcostain@ebci.ca) References: <000701be6f09$49a5bd20$0c06e718@orifice.incognito> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Someone queried: > > !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN" > HTML > HEAD > > META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = > http-equiv=3DContent-Type > META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.3110.7"' name=3DGENERATOR > /HEAD > BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff > DIVFONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2I was just thinking of installing = > FBSD on a=20 > laptop, an old 486/FONT/DIV > DIVFONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2/FONTnbsp/DIV > DIVFONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2any tips??/FONT/DIV > DIVFONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2/FONTnbsp/DIV > DIVFONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2I am definately a Newbie, WINNT 4 = > based mostly,=20 > I want to broaden my horizons, with Unix./FONT/DIV > DIVFONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2/FONTnbsp/DIV > DIVFONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2Any tips would be greatly=20 > appreciated./FONT/DIV > DIVFONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2/FONTnbsp/DIV > DIVFONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2J Costain/FONT/DIV/BODY/HTML Am I the only one who reads email on FreeBSD from the shell with a text email program? -- Phil Stripling The Civilized Explorer http://www.cieux.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 15 13:36:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from shrike.depaul.edu (shrike.depaul.edu [140.192.1.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A508C14C92 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:35:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mhughes@shrike.depaul.edu) Received: from localhost (mhughes@localhost) by shrike.depaul.edu (8.8.3/8.5) with SMTP id PAA14405; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:28:56 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:28:51 -0600 (CST) From: Matthew J Hughes To: Edwin Gustafson Cc: lyons , jcostain@ebci.ca, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Query / Laptop Install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Edwin Gustafson wrote: ***snip*** > My solution was to just reinstall the system, which may not be convenient > if you're installing from floppies, as Larry aparently is. If anyone can ***snip*** I was under the impression that it was possible to install it over a parallel port connection ? Does that sound familliar to anyone else ? Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 15 15: 3:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1FA14FC8 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:02:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r10.bfm.org [208.18.213.106]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id SAA06329; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:03:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990315165947.008f51a0@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:59:47 -0600 To: Edwin Gustafson From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Query / Laptop Install Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <000801be6f0c$f76a92c0$a69f143e@a010431761> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 15:20 15-03-1999 -0500, Edwin Gustafson wrote: >My solution was to just reinstall the system, which may not be convenient >if you're installing from floppies, as Larry aparently is. If anyone can >enighten me about how to gauge how much disk space a package will require >before installing it, I'd be grateful. There does not seem to be an easy way of determining it beforehand. One thing that can help is to go to the ftp site (or study the CD ROM if you have one) and see how many files are in the directory for whatever distribution you want to install. Those files always start with the .aa extension, then go to .ab, .ac, etc, all the way to a theoretical .zz. Although this will not tell you exactly how much disk space you need, you can estimate that if there are twice as many files in one distribution directory as in another one, that distribution will require *roughly* twice as much disk space. Another thing you can do (with a new install) is to install just the "minimum" installation which will give you nothing but the binaries. When it is done, choose to install additional packages one at a time. That way at least you know exactly what you have installed. I wish I did it that way. I went for "all" and eight-nine hours later I lost carrier. Now I do not know which packages are installed and which are not. (I did it overnight, so I was not sitting at computer taking notes.) Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 15 17: 3:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from milkyway.org (lta-r-1.usit.net [205.241.194.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80791514C for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:02:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toby@milkyway.org) Received: from milkyway.org (rigel.milkyway.org [205.241.194.19]) by milkyway.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA04404; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:04:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36EDAE0B.758AC9B3@milkyway.org> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:04:11 -0500 From: Toby Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JCostain Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: References: <000701be6f09$49a5bd20$0c06e718@orifice.incognito> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, JCostain wrote: > I was just thinking of installing FBSD on a laptop, an old 486 any > tips?? I am definately a Newbie, WINNT 4 based mostly, I want to > broaden my horizons, with Unix. Any tips would be greatly > appreciated. J Costain I installed 2.1.7 on an NEC Versa (486-66) along with (ugh) Win 95 on a 350 Mb Hard drive several months ago. I don't remember much about it, so it must have been fairly painless. If memory serves me correctly I did an NFS install from another FreeBSD host. What equipment is on your laptop, CD-ROM, network card, etc? Toby To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 15 17: 4:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from milkyway.org (lta-r-1.usit.net [205.241.194.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9824015195 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:04:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toby@milkyway.org) Received: from milkyway.org (rigel.milkyway.org [205.241.194.19]) by milkyway.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA04417; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:06:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36EDAE88.CC86450F@milkyway.org> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:06:16 -0500 From: Toby Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Stripling Cc: jcostain@ebci.ca, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: References: <000701be6f09$49a5bd20$0c06e718@orifice.incognito> <199903152101.NAA20192@shell.tsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Philip Stripling wrote: > Am I the only one who reads email on FreeBSD from the shell with a text > email program? Not likely, but possible. :^) Toby To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 15 17:14:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from milkyway.org (lta-r-1.usit.net [205.241.194.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711941531C for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:14:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toby@milkyway.org) Received: from milkyway.org (rigel.milkyway.org [205.241.194.19]) by milkyway.org (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA04441; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:15:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36EDB0C3.37CF190A@milkyway.org> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:15:47 -0500 From: Toby Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lyons Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Query / Laptop Install References: <000801be6f0c$f76a92c0$a69f143e@a010431761> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org lyons wrote: > ... is there a " light " version of freeBSD, but still enough to use > with, e.g., " beginers tutorial ", which files are needed, and what > amount of memory is required? I've run FreeBSD on a 386SX20 with 8Mb of RAM, and a 200 Mb hard drive. All it was doing was being a DNS server and POP3 post office for a small, 8 user, office. Rather slow but it worked! Choose the smallest possible install and add stuff as needed. Toby To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 15 17:38:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275291535E for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:37:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id UAA01899; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:36:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199903160136.UAA01899@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: Query / Laptop Install In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990315165947.008f51a0@mail.bfm.org> from "G. Adam Stanislav" at "Mar 15, 99 04:59:47 pm" To: zen@buddhist.com (G. Adam Stanislav) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:36:56 -0500 (EST) Cc: Gus@Economics.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org G. Adam Stanislav wrote, > At 15:20 15-03-1999 -0500, Edwin Gustafson wrote: > >My solution was to just reinstall the system, which may not be convenient > >if you're installing from floppies, as Larry aparently is. If anyone can > >enighten me about how to gauge how much disk space a package will require > >before installing it, I'd be grateful. > > There does not seem to be an easy way of determining it beforehand. One > thing that can help is to go to the ftp site (or study the CD ROM if you > have one) and see how many files are in the directory for whatever > distribution you want to install. > > Those files always start with the .aa extension, then go to .ab, .ac, etc, > all the way to a theoretical .zz. > > Although this will not tell you exactly how much disk space you need, you > can estimate that if there are twice as many files in one distribution > directory as in another one, that distribution will require *roughly* twice > as much disk space. Note that each of those files, e.g. bin.aa, bin.ab, ..., is 2.88 MB, exactly what fits on a 2.88 floppy. Counting files tells you how many floppies you would need. Also realize the data in the files is compressed so it will take up more space when extracted. > Another thing you can do (with a new install) is to install just the > "minimum" installation which will give you nothing but the > binaries. I'd suggest binaries and manpages for the bare minimum. Then, depending on your preference, move to X binaries or to source distributions. I seem to recall the original poster said he had 500 MB? There really is not too much to worry about. You can install the basic binary, X binary, manpages, the ports, and the kernel sources without a problem. If you need the sources later, CVSup them and move to STABLE at the same time. IIRC, I'd be more concerned about 16 MB of RAM than 500 MB of HD. X might be a bear with that. > When > it is done, choose to install additional packages one at a time. That way > at least you know exactly what you have installed. I wish I did it that > way. I went for "all" and eight-nine hours later I lost carrier. Now I do > not know which packages are installed and which are not. (I did it > overnight, so I was not sitting at computer taking notes.) Which distribution was the screen stuck on when you found it in the morning? -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Mar 15 22:52:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277C814DB9 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:52:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from charon@freethought.org) Received: from c40948-a ([24.1.7.99]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990316065208.XWDM22357.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c40948-a>; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:52:08 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990315225159.00a1e9f0@mail> X-Sender: tuathadedanann@mail X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:51:59 -0800 To: cjclark@home.com, zen@buddhist.com (G. Adam Stanislav) From: charon@freethought.org Subject: Re: Query / Laptop Install Cc: Gus@Economics.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199903160136.UAA01899@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19990315165947.008f51a0@mail.bfm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 08:36 PM 3/15/99 -0500, Crist J. Clark wrote: >Note that each of those files, e.g. bin.aa, bin.ab, ..., is 2.88 MB, >exactly what fits on a 2.88 floppy. Small correction: each file is 235K, not 2.88M (I'm assuming so that conceivably an installation could be done from the more standard sized 1.44M floppies). -charon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 16 6: 8:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gaia.euronet.nl (gaia.euronet.nl [194.134.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB030153B8 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:08:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Received: from charon.eboa.com (n669.telekabel.euronet.nl [194.134.130.170]) by gaia.euronet.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13139; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:08:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by charon.eboa.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10858; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:07:36 +0100 Message-ID: <36EE6632.F442A149@eboa.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:09:54 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew J Hughes Cc: Edwin Gustafson , lyons , jcostain@ebci.ca, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Query / Laptop Install References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew J Hughes wrote: > > I was under the impression that it was possible to install it over a > parallel port connection ? Does that sound familliar to anyone else ? It does ring a bell. There is something called PLIP for IP over a parallel port. I have seen it with some Linux dists. Don't know if FreeBSD supports it, probably it does, let alone that you can install using it. You could try some of the boot disks and see what choices of medium they offer. Roelof -- Home is where the (@) http://eboa.com/ is. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 16 14:26:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from chopin.seattleu.edu (chopin.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA061528E for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:26:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu ([172.17.41.90]) by chopin.seattleu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05369 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:26:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36EEDABE.6FDD1EC0@seattleu.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:27:10 -0800 From: Eric Hodel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: NFS and/or NIS tutorial Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anywhere I can find one/both? I've been mucking around in the NFS manpages, and would like to find some examples I can use. -- Eric Hodel hodeleri@seattleu.edu Where do you want to go today? http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 16 14:31:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from toxic.magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [204.188.6.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B0C00155B1 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:31:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unfurl@toxic.magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 16399 invoked by uid 1001); 16 Mar 1999 22:31:04 -0000 Date: 16 Mar 1999 14:31:04 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:31:04 -0800 From: Bill Swingle To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS and/or NIS tutorial Message-ID: <19990316143104.A16329@dub.net> References: <36EEDABE.6FDD1EC0@seattleu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <36EEDABE.6FDD1EC0@seattleu.edu>; from Eric Hodel on Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 02:27:10PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric, There is a NFS tutorial and a NIS tutorial in this months freebsd Zine. Check out: http://www.freebsdzine.org/features/nfs.shtml http://www.freebsdzine.org/features/nis.shtml :) -Bill On Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 02:27:10PM -0800, Eric Hodel wrote: > Anywhere I can find one/both? I've been mucking around in the NFS > manpages, and would like to find some examples I can use. -- -=| Bill Swingle - -=| "I hate quotations." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson -=| FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! - http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 16 16:12: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from corp.au.triax.com (slwag2p24.ozemail.com.au [203.108.157.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB4B15281 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:12:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@corp.au.triax.com) Received: (from jim@localhost) by corp.au.triax.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA70423; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:11:07 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:11:07 +1100 From: Jim Mock To: Eric Hodel Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NFS and/or NIS tutorial Message-ID: <19990317111107.L70045@corp.au.triax.com> Reply-To: jim@corp.au.triax.com References: <36EEDABE.6FDD1EC0@seattleu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <36EEDABE.6FDD1EC0@seattleu.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 at 14:27:10 -0800, Eric Hodel wrote: > Anywhere I can find one/both? I've been mucking around in the NFS > manpages, and would like to find some examples I can use. > The current issue of The FreeBSD 'zine has both.. http://www.freebsdzine.org/ -- Jim Mock System Administrator jim@corp.au.triax.com ,-._|\ FreeBSD work: Triax Internet Services http://www.triax.com/ / \ The personal: http://www.triax.com/~jim/ \_,--._/ Power To The FreeBSD 'zine http://www.freebsdzine.org/ v Serve! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 16 16:57:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C003F15004 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:57:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@t-f-i.freeserve.co.uk) Received: from modem-45.hydrogen.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.0.45]) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10N4eJ-0007Zh-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:57:31 +0000 From: john@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk (John Murphy) To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: my temporary imperfection Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:57:05 GMT Organization: not a lot.org Reply-To: me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk Message-ID: <36eee99d.468307@smtp.freeserve.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. I do like a challenge but the territory seems so alien to a very new bie. My own fault I guess, without knowing the difference I bought 3.0 = Release, thinking it was bound to be better than 2.2.8 Stable. I wish I'd got the complete version with the book. Oh well. I've two pcs, and a different set of problems on each, but I wont ask for answers here. I'm just saying HELLO and listing a few = solutions/sugestions. My main pc has a large (10.5Gbyte) HD and a removable 850Mbyte drive as = slave on the same IDE port with fbsd on it. I chose the dual boot feature, but = when I tried to boot up later the bios reported "Not found any [active = partition] in HDD". MSDOS fdisk fixed that ok and on the next boot I was offered the choice of F1 ... ??, F2 ... ?? or F5 ... disk 2. I found that pressing F1= gave me a dos prompt and "win" got windows going. F2 limbo land and F5 was = same as =461 except that after closing down and re-booting I'd have to run MSDOS = fdisk again and reset my main drive bootable. In tools on CD1 of the 4, I found bootinst.exe (Booteasy?) Ran it and = answered yes to everything, and on pressing F5 F1 hooray up came Free BSD! However= when I tried windows the next day it went into MSDOS compatibility mode, = requiring the deletion of the NOIDE key in the registry to get it working properly = again. This hasn't happened since. Probably because I remove the fbsd drive = before running windows. I still have to do the fdsik thing after every fbsd = session. I'll probably put up with it until I become more advanced and figure out = how to upgrade the boot blocks (after doing an ELF upgrade/make world of = course). Something I found most useful is that changing the shell to tcsh gives = access to previous commands by pressing the up arrow. Now I only have to type /stand/sysinstall, or whatever, once, and it's remembered. I only = discovered this today so I don't know if it remembers after a shutdown. Probably = does. I may have to resort to questioning fbsd-questions for an answer to the = next problem, though I've seen the question go un-answered there, so there's = not much point. When trying to run xcircuit, xfig, xdtm, xfishtank or xpaint,= an error /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1 :Shared object "libkrb.so.3" not found. Something to do with ldconfig I'm guessing, or because I'm only semi-ELF = :-) I guess I _am_ hooked though. --=20 Thanks for reading me, John. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 16 18:34:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from chopin.seattleu.edu (chopin.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D697D1529B for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:34:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu ([172.17.41.90]) by chopin.seattleu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07863; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:33:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36EF14A2.EA0B35F2@seattleu.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:34:10 -0800 From: Eric Hodel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: my temporary imperfection References: <36eee99d.468307@smtp.freeserve.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Murphy wrote: > > Hi. Hello > This hasn't happened since. Probably because I remove the fbsd drive before > running windows. I still have to do the fdsik thing after every fbsd session. > I'll probably put up with it until I become more advanced and figure out how > to upgrade the boot blocks (after doing an ELF upgrade/make world of course). I haven't run into this problem, OS-BS should reset the booting partition to active when you select Win95...should. > Something I found most useful is that changing the shell to tcsh gives access > to previous commands by pressing the up arrow. Now I only have to type > /stand/sysinstall, or whatever, once, and it's remembered. I only discovered > this today so I don't know if it remembers after a shutdown. Probably does. bash has this feature too. In csh, you can type !! for the last command, say you: #ls then decide you want to see the . files as well: #!! -a and filter for lines containing csh: #!! |grep csh !-2 does the second to last command, h gives you a list, ! will run that command from the list. > I may have to resort to questioning fbsd-questions for an answer to the next > problem, though I've seen the question go un-answered there, so there's not > much point. When trying to run xcircuit, xfig, xdtm, xfishtank or xpaint, an > error /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1 :Shared object "libkrb.so.3" not found. > Something to do with ldconfig I'm guessing, or because I'm only semi-ELF :-) You need to install kerberos. I assume you installed from packages? Some of those packages were built with kerberos installed, and if you don't have it, it complains. Solution 1: Install the kerberos distribution (easiest, I'd say) Solution 2: (I think) Compile from the ports tree > I guess I _am_ hooked though. -- Eric Hodel hodeleri@seattleu.edu Where do you want to go today? http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 16 18:59:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 721EE15261 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:59:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id VAA02707; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:59:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199903170259.VAA02707@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: my temporary imperfection In-Reply-To: <36eee99d.468307@smtp.freeserve.net> from John Murphy at "Mar 17, 99 00:57:05 am" To: me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:59:26 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Murphy wrote, > My main pc has a large (10.5Gbyte) HD and a removable 850Mbyte drive as slave > on the same IDE port with fbsd on it. I chose the dual boot feature, but when ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Which is that? > I tried to boot up later the bios reported "Not found any [active partition] > in HDD". MSDOS fdisk fixed that ok and on the next boot I was offered the > choice of F1 ... ??, F2 ... ?? or F5 ... disk 2. I found that pressing F1 gave > me a dos prompt and "win" got windows going. F2 limbo land and F5 was same as > F1 except that after closing down and re-booting I'd have to run MSDOS fdisk > again and reset my main drive bootable. > > In tools on CD1 of the 4, I found bootinst.exe (Booteasy?) Ran it and answered > yes to everything, and on pressing F5 F1 hooray up came Free BSD! However when > I tried windows the next day it went into MSDOS compatibility mode, requiring > the deletion of the NOIDE key in the registry to get it working properly again. > This hasn't happened since. Probably because I remove the fbsd drive before > running windows. I still have to do the fdsik thing after every fbsd session. > I'll probably put up with it until I become more advanced and figure out how > to upgrade the boot blocks (after doing an ELF upgrade/make world of course). Lost me on all of that DOS stuff, but you seem to have it under control. > Something I found most useful is that changing the shell to tcsh gives access > to previous commands by pressing the up arrow. Now I only have to type > /stand/sysinstall, or whatever, once, and it's remembered. I only discovered > this today so I don't know if it remembers after a shutdown. Probably does. Oh, you'll love tcsh. Wait until you start writing command lines like, % mv `which !-2:0` !#$.orig To remember commands between logins, set the variables 'history' and 'savehist.' Here's what I do in my .cshrc file, # Remember last 100 commands set history = 100 # Save them for next session set savehist = ( 100 merge ) See the 'csh' and 'tcsh' manpages for details. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 16 19:47:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0287C14C31 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:47:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from podgod@earthlink.net) Received: from johnmiwa (sdn-ar-002txsantP329.dialsprint.net [168.191.178.235]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA16006 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:47:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000701be703a$e20d7760$ebb2bfa8@johnmiwa> From: "John" To: Subject: Definitely a newbie... Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:56:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6FF7.D1A7E880" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6FF7.D1A7E880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I currently have a PII 266 with Win95 and Solaris 2.6. Solaris is not = quite what I expected and would like to switch to freeBSD to learn more = about Unix. I have three questions: 1.) How do I get rid of the Sun boot manager that comes up every time I = turn on the machine? 2.) Will freeBSD run all the popular software that Linux runs? = Netscape, WordPerfect, and the like? I say linux because most of the = software is cheap! 3.) Is freeBSD a good flavor of Unix for a new computer science student = to use on a home computer to learn about Unix and networking? I don't know, maybe these questions are in someones FAQ but I have not = found them? Thank you for any help you can offer...John. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6FF7.D1A7E880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I currently have a PII 266 with Win95 and = Solaris=20 2.6.  Solaris is not quite what I expected and would like to switch = to=20 freeBSD to learn more about Unix.  I have three = questions:
 
1.)  How do I get rid of the Sun boot = manager that=20 comes up every time I turn on the machine?
 
2.)  Will freeBSD run all the popular = software=20 that Linux runs?  Netscape, WordPerfect, and the like?  I say = linux=20 because most of the software is cheap!
 
3.)  Is freeBSD a good flavor of Unix = for a new=20 computer science student to use on a home computer to learn about Unix = and=20 networking?
 
I don't know, maybe these questions are in = someones FAQ=20 but I have not found them?  Thank you for any help you can=20 offer...John.
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6FF7.D1A7E880-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 16 21:11:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from Pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Pegasus.cc.ucf.edu [132.170.240.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6FD15577 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:11:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ewayte@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu) Received: from Pegasus.cc.ucf.edu ([132.170.240.30]:43902 "HELO pegasus.cc.ucf.edu" ident: "ewayte") by pegasus.cc.ucf.edu with SMTP id <2051-16450>; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:07:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:07:14 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Wayte To: John Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Definitely a newbie... In-Reply-To: <000701be703a$e20d7760$ebb2bfa8@johnmiwa> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6FF7.D1A7E880" Content-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6FF7.D1A7E880 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Content-ID: Welcome to FreeBSD! Now for some answers: 1. Not sure, but fdisk /mbr might do the trick. It should restore the Master Boot Record, which is what you want. 2. FreeBSD runs most Linux software via the Linux emulator. This is both a blessing and a curse... Blessing - Cool, it runs Linux. Curse - Why do I need FreeBSD? 3. FreeBSD, IMHO, is a great OS for a CS major to learn about Unix and networking as nearly all of the networking code in FreeBSD was developed as part of the BSD effort at UCBerkeley, from which FreeBSD is descended. TCP/IP - BSD had it first! For more information on BSD, run to your campus library and pick up a copy of "The Design and Implementation of the 4.4BSD Operating System" by McKusick, et al. Good luck! Eric Wayte Database Administrator University of Central Florida ewayte@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, John wrote: > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:56:17 -0800 > From: John > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: Definitely a newbie... > > I currently have a PII 266 with Win95 and Solaris 2.6. Solaris is not quite what I expected and would like to switch to freeBSD to learn more about Unix. I have three questions: > > 1.) How do I get rid of the Sun boot manager that comes up every time I turn on the machine? > > 2.) Will freeBSD run all the popular software that Linux runs? Netscape, WordPerfect, and the like? I say linux because most of the software is cheap! > > 3.) Is freeBSD a good flavor of Unix for a new computer science student to use on a home computer to learn about Unix and networking? > > I don't know, maybe these questions are in someones FAQ but I have not found them? Thank you for any help you can offer...John. > ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6FF7.D1A7E880 Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; CHARSET=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-ID: Content-Description:
I currently have a PII 266 with Win95 and = Solaris=20 2.6.  Solaris is not quite what I expected and would like to switch = to=20 freeBSD to learn more about Unix.  I have three = questions:
 
1.)  How do I get rid of the Sun boot = manager that=20 comes up every time I turn on the machine?
 
2.)  Will freeBSD run all the popular = software=20 that Linux runs?  Netscape, WordPerfect, and the like?  I say = linux=20 because most of the software is cheap!
 
3.)  Is freeBSD a good flavor of Unix = for a new=20 computer science student to use on a home computer to learn about Unix = and=20 networking?
 
I don't know, maybe these questions are in = someones FAQ=20 but I have not found them?  Thank you for any help you can=20 offer...John.
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE6FF7.D1A7E880-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 17 0:25:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from chopin.seattleu.edu (chopin.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90F01554E for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:25:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu ([172.17.41.90]) by chopin.seattleu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA21802; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:25:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36EF672F.88A4732A@seattleu.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:26:23 -0800 From: Eric Hodel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Definitely a newbie... References: <000701be703a$e20d7760$ebb2bfa8@johnmiwa> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > John wrote: > > I currently have a PII 266 with Win95 and Solaris 2.6. Solaris is > not quite what I expected and would like to switch to freeBSD to > learn more about Unix. I have three questions: > > 1.) How do I get rid of the Sun boot manager that comes up every > time I turn on the machine? Mostlikely a DOS Fdisk /mbr (to replace the Master boot record) or reinstall the FreeBSD boot manager (booteasy.) If using booteasy be sure to select all the relevant partitions. > 2.) Will freeBSD run all the popular software that Linux runs? > Netscape, WordPerfect, and the like? I say linux because most of > the software is cheap! I hear that FreeBSD is supposed to run 99% of all Linux binaries. If it was compiled on Linux, you can most likely get it to run. > 3.) Is freeBSD a good flavor of Unix for a new computer science > student to use on a home computer to learn about Unix and > networking? I've learned quite a bit from it, and there is quite a bit of documentation lying around. Quite a bit is in the handbook and FAQ, and even more on other sites: http://www.freebsdrocks.com http://www.freebsdzine.org http://www.freebsddiary.com and don't forget the man pages. > I don't know, maybe these questions are in someones FAQ but I have > not found them? Thank you for any help you can offer...John. -- Eric Hodel hodeleri@seattleu.edu Where do you want to go today? http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 17 6:14:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6FF14CF1 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:14:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jaeaton@vt.edu) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA18928 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from porthos (jaeaton.campus.vt.edu [198.82.91.122]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA25513 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:13:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990317091438.00915510@mail.vt.edu> X-Sender: jaeaton@mail.vt.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) X-Priority: 2 (High) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:14:38 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: James N Eaton Subject: FreeBSD boot manager Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When I boot my computer, I get the BSD boot manager that recognizes 3 DOS partitions and one FreeBSD partition. Is there any way I can remove the two non-bootable DOS partitions from the list? Also, can I change the label "DOS" to something more applicable like "Windows NT 4"? James James Eaton jneaton@vt.edu ICQ: 17924606 AIM: Mdude10579 Check out my WebSite! http://www.vt.edu:10021/J/jaeaton/ ___________________________ /| /| | | ||__|| | o/ | / O O\__ /@ Fight Gravity,| / \ < \ CLIMB! | / \ \ | / _ \ \---------------------- / |\____\ \ || / | | | |\____/ || / \|_|_|/ | __|| / / \ |____| || To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 17 6:27: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from maciek.gv.edu.pl (netserv.gv.edu.pl [195.117.86.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7902814C1E for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:25:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrzej@maciek.gv.edu.pl) Received: from localhost (andrzej@localhost) by maciek.gv.edu.pl (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA07345; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:26:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andrzej@maciek.gv.edu.pl) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:26:37 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Szydlo To: James N Eaton Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD boot manager In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19990317091438.00915510@mail.vt.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, James N Eaton wrote: > When I boot my computer, I get the BSD boot manager that recognizes 3 DOS > partitions and one FreeBSD partition. Is there any way I can remove the > two non-bootable DOS partitions from the list? Also, can I change the > label "DOS" to something more applicable like "Windows NT 4"? Hi, Use os-bs from the tools directory on the FreeBSD installation CD. Andrzej To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 17 7: 6:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CD614D71 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:05:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r1.bfm.org [208.18.213.97]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA28253; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:06:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990317090133.008f4a20@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:01:33 -0600 To: cjclark@home.com From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Query / Laptop Install Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199903160136.UAA01899@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> References: <3.0.6.32.19990315165947.008f51a0@mail.bfm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 20:36 15-03-1999 -0500, Crist J. Clark wrote: >Which distribution was the screen stuck on when you found it in the >morning? Oh, gosh, I was still half asleep... But I believe it was downloading the source code for something. I am not too worried about it at this time. I certainly have everything I need right now. Whenever I realize something is missing, that will be the time to download and install it. One thing that helped me was that this time I did not get it from ftp.freebsd.org - that is a very busy server, and my downloads were coming at the rate of about 1 KB/sec. Instead, I chose ftp.cz.freebsd.org - the mirror in Czech Republic. That may not not seem to make sense at first since it is across the Big Pond from the US. But it was a weekend night, and due to the 6 hour time zone difference I figured few if any local downloads would be going on at the time. Secondly, Czech Republic is a fairly small country (about 10 million people), so even during the day there would be fewer downloads than say from a German site. Last but not least, I was raised in the former Czechoslovakia (in what is now Slovakia, but there is no ftp.sk.freebsd.org), so it was almost like going home on a vacation. :-) Well, it was downloading at 3.4 - 3.7 KB/sec, a considerable improvement. Now, please don't everybody go and download from there, but it may be a good idea to pick a small country in that part of the world where everyone is sound asleep while you are downloading. BTW, here is an idea for developers of the install software: ftp comes with certain overhead (send request, wait for a reply...) which keeps the line idle for a percentage of time. If the install software allowed you to choose from two different ftp sites that contain the same distribution files, it could alternate requests from both. That would lower the load on both ftp sites, and increase the download speed. It would not double the speed, but it would increase it. I mean, request file .aa from site 1, file .ab from site 2 in two separate tasks. Whenever you receive and process a file, request whichever file is needed next from whichever ftp site you just finished receiving a file from. Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 17 20:23:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk (mail9.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2BE615331 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:23:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@t-f-i.freeserve.co.uk) Received: from modem-110.tretinoin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.90.110]) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10NUKP-0001YB-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 04:22:42 +0000 From: john@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk (John Murphy) To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: my temporary imperfection Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 04:22:15 GMT Organization: not a lot.org Reply-To: me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk Message-ID: <36f27c59.2376206@smtp.freeserve.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Crist J. Clark wrote, >John Murphy wrote, > >> My main pc has a large (10.5Gbyte) HD and a removable 850Mbyte drive = as slave >> on the same IDE port with fbsd on it. I chose the dual boot feature, = but when > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Which is that? Sorry, should've said I chose to install the FreeBSD Boot Manager = ("Booteasy") >To remember commands between logins, set the variables 'history' and >'savehist.' Here's what I do in my .cshrc file, > ># Remember last 100 commands >set history =3D 100 ># Save them for next session >set savehist =3D ( 100 merge ) These seem to be set this way by default and my .cshrc file appears = empty. Thanks for the tip though. Thanks also to everyone who responded. See you soon in - questions I expect ;) --=20 John. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 17 20:24:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk (mail9.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692CF1533A for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:23:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@t-f-i.freeserve.co.uk) Received: from modem-110.tretinoin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.90.110]) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10NUKR-0001YB-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 04:22:44 +0000 From: john@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk (John Murphy) To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: my temporary imperfection Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 04:22:17 GMT Organization: not a lot.org Reply-To: me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk Message-ID: <36f37e35.2852025@smtp.freeserve.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric Hodel wrote, >> I may have to resort to questioning fbsd-questions for an answer to = the next >> problem, though I've seen the question go un-answered there, so = there's not >> much point. When trying to run xcircuit, xfig, xdtm, xfishtank or = xpaint, an >> error /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1 :Shared object "libkrb.so.3" not found. >> Something to do with ldconfig I'm guessing, or because I'm only = semi-ELF :-) > >You need to install kerberos. I assume you installed from packages?=20 >Some of those packages were built with kerberos installed, and if you >don't have it, it complains. =20 > >Solution 1: Install the kerberos distribution (easiest, I'd say) =46rom Kerberos is a network authentication protocol. Seems strange, just to check out some games/etc. I've looked all over the= 4 cds though but can find no sign of it, except for an empty directory = called kerberos IV in /etc. I _am_ very new to this! The /etc/kerberos4 folder = on the live filesystem cd was empty too. Guess I'll have a go at - >Solution 2: (I think) Compile from the ports tree Thanks for your comments on the other problem. --=20 John. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 17 20:46: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from chopin.seattleu.edu (chopin.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B812114C19 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:46:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu ([172.17.41.90]) by chopin.seattleu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16653; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:45:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36F08526.36E58DA@seattleu.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:46:31 -0800 From: Eric Hodel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: my temporary imperfection References: <36f37e35.2852025@smtp.freeserve.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >Solution 1: Install the kerberos distribution (easiest, I'd say) > > >From > Kerberos is a network authentication protocol. > > Seems strange, just to check out some games/etc. I've looked all over the 4 > cds though but can find no sign of it, except for an empty directory called > kerberos IV in /etc. I _am_ very new to this! The /etc/kerberos4 folder on > the live filesystem cd was empty too. Guess I'll have a go at - Here's how to install it: login/su root /stand/sysinstall Configure Distributions hit space on DES hit space on krb hit enter till you get to the media page, and it should be self-explanatory from there. > >Solution 2: (I think) Compile from the ports tree > > Thanks for your comments on the other problem. -- Eric Hodel hodeleri@seattleu.edu Where do you want to go today? http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 17 21:44:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54081514B for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:44:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from charon@freethought.org) Received: from c40948-a ([24.1.7.99]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.00.03 201-229-104) with SMTP id <19990318054354.RPAW22357.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c40948-a>; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:43:54 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990317214348.00a64c70@mail> X-Sender: tuathadedanann@mail X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:43:48 -0800 To: me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: charon@freethought.org Subject: Re: my temporary imperfection In-Reply-To: <36f37e35.2852025@smtp.freeserve.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:22 AM 3/18/99 GMT, John Murphy wrote: >From > Kerberos is a network authentication protocol. > >Seems strange, just to check out some games/etc. This is because Kerberos was installed on the machine(s) which compiled the packages, and thus there's a somewhat odd dependence. I ran into this and decided just to install everything from ports from then on (avoided all the stupid errors that I got when trying to install Afterstep, etc. as well!) __________________________________________ Charon@freethought.org http://members.home.net/tuathadedanann/ "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." -Albert Einstein __________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 18 16: 3:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk (mail9.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52ACA1507D for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:03:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@t-f-i.freeserve.co.uk) Received: from modem-23.nitrogen.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.3.23]) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Nmku-00076b-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:03:16 +0000 From: john@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk (John Murphy) To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: my temporary imperfection Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:02:50 GMT Organization: not a lot.org Reply-To: me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk Message-ID: <36f38c17.16137201@smtp.freeserve.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric Hodel Wrote, > >Solution 1: Install the kerberos distribution (easiest, I'd say) >=20 >Here's how to install it: >login/su root >/stand/sysinstall >Configure >Distributions >hit space on DES >hit space on krb >hit enter till you get to the media page, and it should be >self-explanatory from there. > Aha, great thanks for that Eric. Do I really need DES as well? I am not in USA or Canada. I'm just about to boot it up so I'll try without DES first. -- John. Who's future questions _will_ be in -questions ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 18 16: 5:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from loki.intrepid.net (intrepid.net [204.71.127.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE4214A23; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:05:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@loki.intrepid.net) Received: (from mark@localhost) by loki.intrepid.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA31047; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:04:53 -0500 Message-ID: <19990318190452.A30629@intrepid.net> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:04:52 -0500 From: Mark Conway Wirt To: freebsd-questions@freeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@freeBSD.ORG Subject: Problem Detecting IDE CDROM in 3.1-Stable Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a problem/question that hopefully will have an easy resolution. The machine in question is running 3.1-stable, and it is not seeing my IDE CDROM. The CDROM is configured as the slave on the primary channel, and the kernel is seeing the IDE controller: Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x02 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x02 on pci0.1.0 chip2: rev 0x02 on pci0.7.0 ide_pci0: rev 0x01 on pci0.7.1 (this is the only IDE device by the way). I have the kernel configured for IDE CDROMs are far as I can tell: options ATAPI options ATAPI_STATIC device acd0 but it's not being seen on bootup. That's not surprising, though, as the "IDE" controller (wdc0) isn't being seen either. I've tried configuring the kernel wdc0 many ways, including with 0x2000 set in the flags to try to force the probing, but to no avail. I imagine that I'm doing something silly... Thanks in advance! --Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 18 18:23:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.gfit.net (ns.gfit.net [209.41.124.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4881214BCC for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:23:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Received: from gizmo (timembt.iinc.com [206.67.169.229]) by mercury.gfit.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA07592 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:23:06 GMT (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990318212505.006c211c@mail.embt.com> X-Sender: tembt@mail.embt.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:25:05 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Tom Embt Subject: mounting with different uid/gid/perms Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, I'll admit this is probably really simple, but how can I mount a filesystem so that it's files are a specific permission, and in a different group? I set the mountpoint with the ownership and perms that I want, but when it mounts, it changes to root:wheel 555 . When I umount it, it goes back to root:mount 550 (which is what I'd like it to be). I don't see any flags for mount or mount_cd9660 to do this, although mount_msdos does have -g -u and -m flags. odin# ls -l total 3 drwxrwx--- 2 root mount 512 Mar 15 14:05 a dr-xr-x--- 2 root mount 512 Mar 15 14:05 cdrom drwxrwx--- 2 root mount 512 Mar 15 14:05 floppy odin# mount -t cd9660 /dev/acd0c /mnt/cdrom odin# ls -l total 4 drwxrwx--- 2 root mount 512 Mar 15 14:05 a dr-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 2048 Dec 31 1969 cdrom drwxrwx--- 2 root mount 512 Mar 15 14:05 floppy odin# Anybody care to point me in the right direction? On an unrelated note, is there a reason that symlinks used to be displayed as lrwxrwxrwx (under 2.2.5 I think) but are now shown as lrwxr-xr-x ? Is it getting this from my umask?? Oh bother. Thanks, Tom Embt ICQ UIN: 11245398 tom@embt.com d:-)> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 18 19:54:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from chopin.seattleu.edu (chopin.seattleu.edu [206.81.198.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF31154FA for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:54:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hodeleri@seattleu.edu) Received: from seattleu.edu ([172.17.41.90]) by chopin.seattleu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA12886; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:53:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36F1CA84.2C34D46C@seattleu.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:54:44 -0800 From: Eric Hodel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: my temporary imperfection References: <36f38c17.16137201@smtp.freeserve.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Murphy wrote: > > Eric Hodel Wrote, > > >Solution 1: Install the kerberos distribution (easiest, I'd say) > > > >Here's how to install it: > >login/su root > >/stand/sysinstall > >Configure > >Distributions > >hit space on DES > >hit space on krb > >hit enter till you get to the media page, and it should be > >self-explanatory from there. > > > Aha, great thanks for that Eric. > Do I really need DES as well? I am not in USA or Canada. > I'm just about to boot it up so I'll try without DES first. I doubt it, check: file:/usr/share/doc/handbook/handbook67.html or: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/handbook67.html -- Eric Hodel hodeleri@seattleu.edu "If you understand what you're doing, you're not learning anything." -- A. L. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 19 9:10:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from shrike.depaul.edu (shrike.depaul.edu [140.192.1.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E8B1509B for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:10:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mhughes@shrike.depaul.edu) Received: from localhost (mhughes@localhost) by shrike.depaul.edu (8.8.3/8.5) with SMTP id LAA21017; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:01:50 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:01:49 -0600 (CST) From: Matthew J Hughes To: Eric Hodel Cc: John , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Definitely a newbie... In-Reply-To: <36EF672F.88A4732A@seattleu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Eric Hodel wrote: > > John wrote: > > > 3.) Is freeBSD a good flavor of Unix for a new computer science > > student to use on a home computer to learn about Unix and > > networking? > > I've learned quite a bit from it, and there is quite a bit of > documentation lying around. Quite a bit is in the handbook and FAQ, > and even more on other sites: > > http://www.freebsdrocks.com > http://www.freebsdzine.org > http://www.freebsddiary.com > > and don't forget the man pages. > In addition I recently found a FreeBSD web ring that had some good info on it, and another version of FreeBSD FAQ. One page was at : http://www.aei.ca/~malartre/freebsd/index.html Matt not worth looking at but: Web site modified 3/18/99 http://shrike.depaul.edu/~mhughes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 19 17:30:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F03415069 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:30:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA25334 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:30:14 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:30:14 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199903200130.MAA25334@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:charters.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 19 17:54:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nefertiti.lightningweb.com (nefertiti.lightningweb.com [198.68.191.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0871314C94 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:54:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keith@lightningweb.com) Received: from localhost (keith@localhost) by nefertiti.lightningweb.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA13209 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:57:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:57:01 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Woodman To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Upgrade Partner Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey Heya fellow FreeBSD newbies. I'm new to FreeBSD but familiar with unix in general. I am going to be doing my first upgrade of the OS tomorow from 3.0 to 3.1-stable via cvsup and make build world. If there is anyone that is planing a first time or near first time or would like to give it a shot for the heck of it. Mail me, we can struggle through it together via email or other means. Pool our brains and see how we fair. :-) Hope to be hearing from someone...... Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Keith Woodman Technical Coordinator Keith@lightningweb.com Lightningweb LLC pid 7962 (sniffit), uid 0: exited on signal 10 (core dumped) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message