From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Mar 23 13:52: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rascal.honk.org (cr523413-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.177.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BC9154A8 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:51:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Received: from localhost (mpoulin@localhost) by rascal.honk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA03001 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:48:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:48:11 -0500 (EST) From: Marty Poulin To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Cable modems are Good Things. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Since I got my cable modem, I have had lots of chances to experiment with some of the "cool" things in FreeBSD. So far, to date, I have done the following: - Set up a gateway / firewall to the internet. (lost many nights of sleep over that one...) - got a "real" domain name for my machine on a friend's domain (I just couldn't live with the mile-long "@home" domain name) - set up SMTP and POP3, got my very own MX record. (thanks in part to the latest issue of "Daemon News") - Set up a simple DNS server Now if I can get my hands on another pc with some disk space, I will try setting up an NNTP server - has anyone tried DNews for FreeBSD? I have set it up at work on NT with no problems - hopefully the same will go for the BSD version. Having a static IP opens up so many possibilities! I feel like a kid at christmas! ================== Quote of the Day ===================== That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind. - Neil Armstrong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 24 12:56:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from avalon.dpc.com (avalon.dpc.com [192.101.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1045F150F5 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:56:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gstrock@dpc.com) Received: by avalon.dpc.com; id MAA21649; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:55:59 -0800 Received: from gate.dpc.com(10.30.0.166) by avalon.dpc.com via smap (4.0a) id xma021516; Wed, 24 Mar 99 12:55:38 -0800 Received: from dpc.com (cog-dpceng.dpc.com [10.30.0.182]) by gate.dpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20478; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:12:24 -0800 Received: by dpc.com; id MAA19381; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:29:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from skate.dpc.com(192.168.2.252) by cog.dpc.com via smap (4.0) id xma019370; Wed, 24 Mar 99 12:29:02 -0800 Received: from dpc.com (pike.dpc.com [192.168.2.52]) by skate.dpc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA06872; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:49:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36F9502C.9157A560@dpc.com> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:50:53 -0800 From: greg strockbine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marty Poulin Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cable modems are Good Things. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Boy, you've sure been busy, didn't notice an ftp server in there anywhere :-) DSL is good too. I did a network install of FreeBSD over my DSL line, got transfer rates between 80-130 Kbytes/sec. greg s. Marty Poulin wrote: > Since I got my cable modem, I have had lots of chances to > experiment with some of the "cool" things in FreeBSD. > > So far, to date, I have done the following: > > - Set up a gateway / firewall to the internet. (lost many nights of sleep > over that one...) > > - got a "real" domain name for my machine on a friend's domain (I just > couldn't live with the mile-long "@home" domain name) > > - set up SMTP and POP3, got my very own MX record. (thanks in part to the > latest issue of "Daemon News") > > - Set up a simple DNS server > > Now if I can get my hands on another pc with some disk space, I will try > setting up an NNTP server - has anyone tried DNews for FreeBSD? I have > set it up at work on NT with no problems - hopefully the same will go > for the BSD version. > > Having a static IP opens up so many possibilities! I feel like a kid at > christmas! > > > ================== Quote of the Day ===================== > That's one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind. > - Neil Armstrong > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 24 13:41:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns.netxpress.com.gt (unknown [216.72.30.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A3914D98 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:41:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuuse@quik.guate.com) Received: from ps1 (ip109.netxpress.com.gt [216.72.30.109]) by ns.netxpress.com.gt (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA47418 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:40:48 GMT Message-ID: <003e01be763e$6bab9750$6d1e48d8@ps1.QUIK> From: "Juan Kuuse" To: Subject: "No disks found!" sysinstall problem Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:36:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a 4 GB disk with win98 on the first 1 GB MSDOS partition, and trying to create a second 1.5 GB partition for FreeBSD, and a third FAT32 partition for windows. fips.exe woun't work for FAT32 partitions, will it? And when I run it, it hangs for a long time at the first "press any key"message, and then follows an error message: "Drive Initialization Failure: Errorcode 5 Interrupt 13h 00h returned an error code" and the program ends. So I use part.exe (Ranish Partition manager), where I can create 3 partitions. Anyhow, it will not let me modify the win98 partition settings. When I try to install FreeBSD, I got the following error message: "No disks found! Please verify that your disk controller is being properly probed at boot time. See the Hardware Guide on the Documentation menu for clues on diagnosing this type of problem." Is this a problem due to the win98 partition? I would appreciate some help with this problem! /Juan Kuuse kuuse@quik.guate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 24 16:33:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA7514DA4 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:33:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id TAA14556; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:29:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199903250029.TAA14556@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: Cable modems are Good Things. In-Reply-To: <36F9502C.9157A560@dpc.com> from greg strockbine at "Mar 24, 99 12:50:53 pm" To: gstrock@dpc.com (greg strockbine) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:29:56 -0500 (EST) Cc: mpoulin@rascal.honk.org, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org greg strockbine wrote, > Boy, you've sure been busy, didn't notice an ftp server in > there anywhere :-) > > DSL is good too. I did a network install of FreeBSD over > my DSL line, got transfer rates between 80-130 Kbytes/sec. Coax cable fun. Three months after starting, I finially got around to setting up a Netrek server on my box (two servers actually). I have reports of very good pings from within the @Home network. Maybe we can start our own league. ;) I'm listed on the metaserver. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 24 16:40: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9972114BE6; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:40:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id TAA14580; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:39:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199903250039.TAA14580@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: "No disks found!" sysinstall problem In-Reply-To: <003e01be763e$6bab9750$6d1e48d8@ps1.QUIK> from Juan Kuuse at "Mar 24, 99 03:36:47 pm" To: kuuse@quik.guate.com (Juan Kuuse) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:39:44 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Questions) Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Juan Kuuse wrote, > I have a 4 GB disk with win98 on the first 1 GB MSDOS partition, > and trying to create a second 1.5 GB partition for FreeBSD, and a third > FAT32 partition for windows. Why do you want two separate MS partitions? > fips.exe woun't work for FAT32 partitions, will it? I thought it did. > And when I run it, it hangs for a long time at the first "press any > key"message, > and then follows an error message: > "Drive Initialization Failure: Errorcode 5 > Interrupt 13h 00h returned an error code" > and the program ends. > > So I use part.exe (Ranish Partition manager), where I can create 3 > partitions. > Anyhow, it will not let me modify the win98 partition settings. What settings are you trying to modify? > When I try to install FreeBSD, I got the following error message: > > "No disks found! Please verify that your disk controller is being > properly probed at boot time. See the Hardware Guide on the > Documentation menu for clues on diagnosing this type of problem." > > Is this a problem due to the win98 partition? Hard to say, maybe you should... "Please verify that your disk controller is being properly probed at boot time." What information about your drive scrolls by as the kernel starts up? Is your drive IDE or SCSI? > I would appreciate some help with this problem! This is more a 'freebsd-questions' matter. This response and followups sent to questions. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 25 9:13:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from geek.grf.ov.com (geek.grf.ov.com [192.251.86.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D4814E50; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:13:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ksmm@threespace.com) Received: from pebbles (pebbles.cam.veritas.com [166.98.49.16]) by geek.grf.ov.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA17828; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:13:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903251713.MAA17828@geek.grf.ov.com> X-Sender: ksmm@mail.cybercom.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:12:35 -0500 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: The Classiest Man Alive Subject: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Feature for feature, is there a big difference in the storage requirements of Linux and FreeBSD? That is, would a FreeBSD installation (say 2.2.8) take any more or less space than a comparably configured Linux installation? Thanks in advance for your insight. K.S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 25 10:39:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from alexis.laislaescondida.com (unknown [196.40.16.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC1E14DDB for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:38:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from webmaster@laislaescondida.com) Received: from athena ([196.40.16.131]) by alexis.laislaescondida.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-56722U100L2S100V35) with SMTP id com for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:40:42 -0600 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:42:09 -0600 From: tiga@laislaescondida.com Reply-To: postmaster@laislaescondida.com Subject: Fun and Profit - please read... 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 25 10:55:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from avalon.dpc.com (avalon.dpc.com [192.101.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 831E215019 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:55:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gstrock@dpc.com) Received: by avalon.dpc.com; id KAA03837; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:55:34 -0800 Received: from gate.dpc.com(10.30.0.166) by avalon.dpc.com via smap (4.0a) id xma003766; Thu, 25 Mar 99 10:54:39 -0800 Received: from dpc.com (cog-dpceng.dpc.com [10.30.0.182]) by gate.dpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21126 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:11:27 -0800 Received: by dpc.com; id KAA02862; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:28:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from skate.dpc.com(192.168.2.252) by cog.dpc.com via smap (4.0) id xma002860; Thu, 25 Mar 99 10:27:54 -0800 Received: from dpc.com (pike.dpc.com [192.168.2.52]) by skate.dpc.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA03301 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:48:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36FA8549.CEEE241B@dpc.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:49:45 -0800 From: greg strockbine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3.1 Install Giving Up - Hello Linux? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Panic can't mount /" for the past week I have been trying to install 3.1 fbsd on a second IDE drive, set up as a secondary master. This drive is dedicated to Fbsd. the FAQ identifies this problem as a disagreement between boot block and kernel about how the drives are numbered. The work around however doesn't work, "at the boot prompt enter 1:wd(a,2) kernel". I suspect that solution is for a pre 3.1 release. I was successful installing 3.1 on my 2nd drive when I had the drive installed as a primary slave. However, I want the drive on its own channel. When it is connected as a primary slave it sounds like it never spins down when I'm running win98 from the 1st drive. I tried something goofy, after installing fbsd on the drive as a primary slave, I moved the drive to secondary master. Now the system goes into perpetual reboot. I wonder if I would have the same problem with Linux? I am about to abandon Fbsd. This is my first attempt at installing a unix on my home pc. At my regular job I've been using unix for about 15 years, but never messed around with kernel stuff. Any suggestions? --- greg strockbine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 25 11: 3:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf24.de (mail.surf24.de [212.62.192.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A8E14DF0; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:02:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de) Received: from duffner.surf24.de (surf228.surf24.de [212.62.193.228]) by mail.surf24.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA04024; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:02:41 +0100 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:37:46 +0100 (MEZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars To: The Classiest Man Alive Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199903251713.MAA17828@geek.grf.ov.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu 25 Mar, The Classiest Man Alive wrote: > Feature for feature, is there a big difference in the storage requirements > of Linux and FreeBSD? That is, would a FreeBSD installation (say 2.2.8) > take any more or less space than a comparably configured Linux installation? I doubt it very much. Once you have the space to install a working and usable (enjoyable !) system, it doesn't matter if one takes 20 MB more or less than the other. I'd guess that with Linux, you can have "better" (in the sense of "more features") 'microinstallations', but this is only relevant to a very small part of the userbase. Definitely not -newbies ;-) > Thanks in advance for your insight. I don't know for sure with the newer linux-kernels, but the old 2.0.x-series could not handle files larger than 2 GB - this is a real problem if you want to have an image of a DVD on you ext2-partition.... FreeBSD has not such a low limit, IIRC cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 25 11:10:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from toxic.magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [204.188.6.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D0171544D for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:10:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unfurl@toxic.magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 23827 invoked by uid 1001); 25 Mar 1999 19:10:27 -0000 Date: 25 Mar 1999 11:10:27 -0800 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:10:27 -0800 From: Bill Swingle To: greg strockbine Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3.1 Install Giving Up - Hello Linux? Message-ID: <19990325111027.A23708@dub.net> References: <36FA8549.CEEE241B@dpc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <36FA8549.CEEE241B@dpc.com>; from greg strockbine on Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 10:49:45AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Your problem lies in the fact taht you installed FreeBSD on the drive when it was the primary. The file system table in FreeBSD thinks that all it's partitions ore on the primary disk. You boot into FreeBSD, it finds the kernel but when it tries to mount it's partitons it can't find them. The solution is to make a fixit floppy and boot off of it so you can get to your partitions. You need to mount the original root partition under a different directory and edit the /etc/fstab file. You will see something like this in it: # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/wd0s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/wd0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/wd0s1f /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/wd0s1e /var ufs rw 2 2 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 The wd0 on each line indicates that these filesystems are expected to be on the primary disk. Change them all to wd1 (or what ever drive spec it is supposed to be on. This way the kernel will be able to find the root partition (and the other partitions) at boot time. This happened to me a few years ago. It's a little tricky but definatly not impossible to fix. Please let me know if you need any more help. -Bill On Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 10:49:45AM -0800, greg strockbine wrote: > "Panic can't mount /" > > for the past week I have been trying to install > 3.1 fbsd on a second IDE drive, set up as a > secondary master. This drive is dedicated to > Fbsd. > > the FAQ identifies this problem as a disagreement between > boot block and kernel about how the drives are > numbered. The work around however doesn't work, > "at the boot prompt enter 1:wd(a,2) kernel". I > suspect that solution is for a pre 3.1 release. > > I was successful installing 3.1 on my 2nd drive > when I had the drive installed as a primary slave. > However, I want the drive on its own channel. > When it is connected as a primary slave it sounds > like it never spins down when I'm running win98 > from the 1st drive. > > I tried something goofy, after installing fbsd on > the drive as a primary slave, I moved the drive > to secondary master. Now the system goes into > perpetual reboot. > > I wonder if I would have the same problem with Linux? > I am about to abandon Fbsd. This is my first attempt > at installing a unix on my home pc. At my regular > job I've been using unix for about 15 years, but never > messed around with kernel stuff. > > Any suggestions? > --- > greg strockbine > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- -=| Bill Swingle - -=| "I hate quotations." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson -=| FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! - http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 25 11:41:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED4514DD6 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:41:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id GAA18729; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:41:25 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19990326064122.19478@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:41:22 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: FREEBSD-NEWBIES@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fun and Profit - please read... References: <19990325184042453.AAA306@alexis.laislaescondida.com@athena> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990325184042453.AAA306@alexis.laislaescondida.com@athena>; from tiga@laislaescondida.com on Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 12:42:09PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please do NOT reply to the message quoted below, which you would have received through this list. The message is spam. It was not sent to you personally, but to the freebsd-newbies list. This happens from time to time on many lists. Do not be tempted to reply, either to vent your anger, or to ask to be removed from their mailing list. All that would do would be to give them your personal address, which at this stage they don't already have. Just delete it and forget it. If you're a member of a list that gets spam sent to it, just keep quiet. If a thousand list members get a spam message, that's bad. If a thousand list members get your complaint, and the three messages that respond to you, that's four times as bad. Get the picture? Except that freebsd-newbies assumes you don't have much experience at mailing lists so it's OK to ask about these things here, to save your skin elsewhere :-) To find out more about spam, do a Yahoo! search. There's plenty there. If you have questions about this that are not relevant to the rest of the members of this list, feel free to write to me privately. On Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 12:42:09PM -0600, tiga@laislaescondida.com wrote: > Hello, > > I got this address from your website. I am looking for websites > willing to do cross linking or banner ads. We pay well for money > brought to us by banner advertising, and have a well proven system > for tracking and monitoring individual account activity. We even > provide you with a stats monitoring page which you can review at > any time. > > If you are not the person responsible for advertising on your website, > and you might know someone in your organization who is interested, > please forward this to them. > > If you are interested in this... please respond to: > tiga@laislaescondida.com > > If you are offended by this offer in any way, please accept our > apologies. If you don't want to receive this kind of mail from us, > simply send a blank message to nospam@laislaescondida.com We will > remove you from our list and you will not hear from us again. > > Thank you for your time! > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 25 11:53:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0CE15031 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:53:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id GAA18778; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:51:31 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19990326065127.62615@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:51:28 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: greg strockbine Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.1 Install Giving Up - Hello Linux? References: <36FA8549.CEEE241B@dpc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <36FA8549.CEEE241B@dpc.com>; from greg strockbine on Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 10:49:45AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 25, 1999 at 10:49:45AM -0800, greg strockbine wrote: > "Panic can't mount /" > > for the past week I have been trying to install > 3.1 fbsd on a second IDE drive, set up as a > secondary master. This drive is dedicated to > Fbsd. For the past week?! And you've read the FAQ, Handbook, etc? Then why on earth didn't you ask for help from freebsd-questions? We can't tell you how to fix it here, but they can. Give them a try. > I wonder if I would have the same problem with Linux? Yes, for the same reasons. Read all you can, do all you can, think and check all you can, and if you still can't, holler in the approved direction, giving them all the information they could possibly need in order to help you. > I am about to abandon Fbsd. This is my first attempt > at installing a unix on my home pc. At my regular > job I've been using unix for about 15 years, but never > messed around with kernel stuff. > > Any suggestions? Read http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ Read http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html Send your problems and questions to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Hang in there! Never underestimate the power of a cuppa and a rest. Come back and gloat with your newbie mates when you've got it going :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 25 15:31:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from b.mx.crl.com (bmx.crl.com [165.113.1.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F327151C9 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:31:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anarchy@crl.com) Received: from crl.crl.com (crl.com [165.113.1.12]) by b.mx.crl.com (8.8.7/) via SMTP id PAA23138; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:28:13 -0800 (PST) env-from (anarchy@crl.com) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:28:13 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Manes To: The Classiest Man Alive Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-Reply-To: <199903251713.MAA17828@geek.grf.ov.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Feature for feature, is there a big difference in the storage requirements > of Linux and FreeBSD? That is, would a FreeBSD installation (say 2.2.8) > take any more or less space than a comparably configured Linux installation? Well, Linux is just a kernal, and now the libraries, the rest is OSS from other places (thus different distrubations). BSDs are always the full system, so there's always one package and forced to work correctly. Thus, you could say Linux would be smaller as its just the kernal, while FreeBSD is the kernal and everything else. The one flaw to that is perhaps PicoBSD, which is made by the FreeBSD group, and could be about the same size. Who knows.. It doesn't make much sense desciding on one just because stripped down it takes a few less kilobytes, so its irrelevent to the newbies list (which should cover: Why FreeBSD?, Resources, discoveries, and perhaps on a rare occasion a question). BTW, Sue won't be happy if you continue to cross-post.. so my advise is to stop that. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 25 17:39:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4254E14EC6 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:39:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shamans@ix.netcom.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA16421 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:39:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from sji-ca9-181.ix.netcom.com(209.109.236.181) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma016339; Thu Mar 25 19:39:03 1999 Message-ID: <36FAE57D.1FD2A477@ix.netcom.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:40:13 -0800 From: Giovanni Madrid Reply-To: giomadrid@netscape.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: suncribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe freebsd-questionsI would like to subcribe to the To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 25 18:49:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1D714D21; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:49:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr09.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA28812; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:49:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd028781; Thu Mar 25 19:48:55 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA01921; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:48:55 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199903260248.TAA01921@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars To: ksmm@threespace.com (The Classiest Man Alive) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 02:48:54 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199903251713.MAA17828@geek.grf.ov.com> from "The Classiest Man Alive" at Mar 25, 99 12:12:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Feature for feature, is there a big difference in the storage requirements > of Linux and FreeBSD? That is, would a FreeBSD installation (say 2.2.8) > take any more or less space than a comparably configured Linux installation? > > Thanks in advance for your insight. Both FreeBSD and Linux use ELF format executables, and will have near identical storage requirements; the one exception will be that programs that embed the OS name will take 7 characters for FreeBSD, but only 5 characters for Linux. 8-). Over time, the EXT2FS storage will tend to become more fragmented than FFS storage, due to the way layout is done. If this happens to your Linux machine, you can simply back the system up to tape, wipe the disk, and restore from tape to defragment it and recover the wasted disk space. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 25 19:45: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hades.riverstyx.net (hades.riverstyx.net [216.94.42.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAA514D2A; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:45:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unknown@riverstyx.net) Received: from localhost (unknown@localhost) by hades.riverstyx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32111; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:46:57 -0800 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:46:57 -0800 (PST) From: To: Rainer M Duffner Cc: The Classiest Man Alive , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, Rainer M Duffner wrote: > On Thu 25 Mar, The Classiest Man Alive wrote: > > Feature for feature, is there a big difference in the storage requirements > > of Linux and FreeBSD? That is, would a FreeBSD installation (say 2.2.8) > > take any more or less space than a comparably configured Linux installation? > I doubt it very much. > Once you have the space to install a working and usable > (enjoyable !) system, it doesn't matter if one takes 20 MB more or less > than the other. > I'd guess that with Linux, you can have "better" (in the > sense of "more features") 'microinstallations', but this is only > relevant to a very small part of the userbase. > Definitely not -newbies ;-) You can get a fully functional networkable Linux machine with a web browser (Lynx) and FTP on 2 floppies :-) > > Thanks in advance for your insight. > I don't know for sure with the newer linux-kernels, but the old > 2.0.x-series could not handle files larger than 2 GB - this is a real > problem if you want to have an image of a DVD on you ext2-partition.... > FreeBSD has not such a low limit, IIRC Linux-Alpha doesn't have the 2 gig problem, and the 2.2 series does have patches available to go past the 2 gig limit. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 25 19:50:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B470C15504; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:50:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: (from hamellr@localhost) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) id TAA11072; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:48:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:48:34 -0800 (PST) From: rick hamell To: unknown@riverstyx.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > problem if you want to have an image of a DVD on you ext2-partition.... > > FreeBSD has not such a low limit, IIRC > > Linux-Alpha doesn't have the 2 gig problem, and the 2.2 series does have > patches available to go past the 2 gig limit. Which is why I personally don't like Linux. It seems that you're always loading patches to fix little problems. :) Granted FreeBSD has patches too. But when was the last time you needed a patch? :) Anyways, isn't the Linux patch still limited to 8 gigs or so? Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 25 20:16:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB601542D for ; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:15:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id PAA21161; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:15:32 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19990326151529.02502@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:15:29 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: seeing double? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In case you're worried, no, it's not your fault. Some of the FreeBSD list mail is coming through with duplicates. There is no truth to the rumour that Noah has taken over the postmaster's job. We should expect it to be fixed soon. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 25 21:11:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hades.riverstyx.net (hades.riverstyx.net [216.94.42.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C94153A9; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:11:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from unknown@riverstyx.net) Received: from localhost (unknown@localhost) by hades.riverstyx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05418; Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:14:09 -0800 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:14:09 -0800 (PST) From: To: rick hamell Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 25 Mar 1999, rick hamell wrote: > > Linux-Alpha doesn't have the 2 gig problem, and the 2.2 series does have > > patches available to go past the 2 gig limit. > Which is why I personally don't like Linux. It seems that you're > always loading patches to fix little problems. :) Granted FreeBSD has > patches too. But when was the last time you needed a patch? :) Anyways, > isn't the Linux patch still limited to 8 gigs or so? Depends on which patch you're talking about, I think :-) According to Alan, the problem on 32-bit machines was using a signed integer, which limited it to 2 gig. There's a patch to make it unsigned which gives you 4 gig. Alpha machines have 64 bit integers, so the problem is pretty much totally gone there. I believe (but haven't installed for lack of need) there is a patch for 2.2 which is supposed to be moved into the stable kernel sometime soon that completely removes the 32-bit limit. I've never needed a patch, except for adding driver support (for the 3c905b ethernet adapter in 2.0.30) and fixing the various TCP/IP stack holes that were running rampant in 2.0.30 era kernels. I personally only use FreeBSD as a hobby machine. I'd like to use it in production but I haven't got enough FreeBSD knowledge to do that right now. I still can't find any documentation for changes I should make to the configuration/kernel/etc when I want to really push a FreeBSD machine... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 26 2:19:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from iquest3.iquest.net (iquest3.iquest.net [209.43.20.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ABA5C152C0 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 02:19:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toor@y.dyson.net) Received: (qmail 19774 invoked from network); 26 Mar 1999 10:19:16 -0000 Received: from dyson.iquest.net (HELO y.dyson.net) (198.70.144.127) by iquest3.iquest.net with SMTP; 26 Mar 1999 10:19:16 -0000 Received: (from toor@localhost) by y.dyson.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) id FAA00733; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 05:19:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903261019.FAA00733@y.dyson.net> Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-Reply-To: from rick hamell at "Mar 25, 99 07:48:34 pm" To: hamellr@dsinw.com (rick hamell) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 05:19:14 -0500 (EST) Cc: unknown@riverstyx.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John S. Dyson" Reply-To: dyson@iquest.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org rick hamell said: > > > > problem if you want to have an image of a DVD on you ext2-partition.... > > > FreeBSD has not such a low limit, IIRC > > > > Linux-Alpha doesn't have the 2 gig problem, and the 2.2 series does have > > patches available to go past the 2 gig limit. > > Which is why I personally don't like Linux. It seems that you're > always loading patches to fix little problems. :) Granted FreeBSD has > patches too. But when was the last time you needed a patch? :) Anyways, > isn't the Linux patch still limited to 8 gigs or so? > IMO, it is *silly* that Linux doesn't support large files correctly. If it doesn't support large files on an X86, then it doesn't support large files. There was alot of pressure from the user and developer base when FreeBSD didn't properly support large files, and I am surprised that either the Linux base hasn't pressured for proper support for large files, or the Linux developers can't figure out how to do it. (I sure hope that it isn't arrogance on their part that it isn't "needed.") -- John | Never try to teach a pig to sing, dyson@iquest.net | it makes one look stupid jdyson@nc.com | and it irritates the pig. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 26 7:31:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8CC15131; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:31:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r37.bfm.org [208.18.213.133]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA22063; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:30:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990326093033.00919230@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:30:33 -0600 To: From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 21:14 25-03-1999 -0800, unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: >I personally only use FreeBSD as a hobby machine. I'd like to use it in >production but I haven't got enough FreeBSD knowledge to do that right >now. I still can't find any documentation for changes I should make to >the configuration/kernel/etc when I want to really push a FreeBSD >machine... I share your sentiments, Unknown of River Styx. To me FreeBSD is largely a big intellectual excercise. A powerful OS to which I dedicate 8 Gig of disk space, while I only dedicate 3 Gig to Windows. But when I actually want to accomplish something, I have no choice but to boot Windows. Not because I like it but because I know how to use it. And when I don't, I can always figure it out. Under FreeBSD (and, I suppose Unix in general), the solution is no doubt available and probably more powerful, but it always requires me to use some cryptically named command. Man pages are of little help to me: First of all, I would need to know the name of the command to even get to the man page. And even when I do, it seems the man page is always written in some foreign language that only outwardly resembles English. Apropos usually does not help me much either. Just days ago I have installed XFree86 3.3.3.1. Its interface is reminiscent of Windows 1.0, and it locks up my system either immediately or in a few minutes (mouse cursor disappears, ctl-alt-backspace does not work), and the only way out is by turning the system off, ouch). No doubt there is a simple fix, if I only knew what it was. :-) (I kinda suspect that I need more RAM, I only have 8 Meg, although that is supposed to be enough.) Despite all of that, I am sticking with FreeBSD. Some day, I'll learn how to use it. :-) It is a very steep learning curve, though! Not that this has anything to do with the subject line. I suspect the other OS mentioned there would be even harder for me to learn. Maybe I'm just getting old (will turn 49 next month). Computers were so much simpler when I was 15! Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 26 7:51: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rascal.honk.org (cr523413-a.wlfdle1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.177.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A3914E95; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:50:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Received: from localhost (mpoulin@localhost) by rascal.honk.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA15158; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:50:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mpoulin@rascal.honk.org) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:50:29 -0500 (EST) From: Marty Poulin To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: unknown@riverstyx.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990326093033.00919230@mail.bfm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 26 Mar 1999, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > But when I actually want to accomplish something, I have no choice but to > boot Windows. Not because I like it but because I know how to use it. And > when I don't, I can always figure it out. You'd be surprised what you can get away with without having to resort to Windows. These days the only thing I need to boot down to microsoft for is to surf the web using all those funky multimedia plugins that haven't been ported to BSD (yet). And the odd game. > > Under FreeBSD (and, I suppose Unix in general), the solution is no doubt > available and probably more powerful, but it always requires me to use some > cryptically named command. Man pages are of little help to me: First of > all, I would need to know the name of the command to even get to the man > page. And even when I do, it seems the man page is always written in some > foreign language that only outwardly resembles English. Apropos usually > does not help me much either. > I agree, it can be a challenge to find answers at times, but that's where the archives and mailing lists and FAQ's come in really handy - there is no way I would have accomplished a fraction of what I have done if it wasn't for all of the online help. > Just days ago I have installed XFree86 3.3.3.1. Its interface is > reminiscent of Windows 1.0, and it locks up my system either immediately or > in a few minutes (mouse cursor disappears, ctl-alt-backspace does not > work), and the only way out is by turning the system off, ouch). No doubt > there is a simple fix, if I only knew what it was. :-) (I kinda suspect > that I need more RAM, I only have 8 Meg, although that is supposed to be > enough.) > Sounds like you need to experiment with some window managers. The default one that comes with X (twm) is about the ugliest, most basic one I have ever seen. Totally geared towards "old-school" command-line Unix types. Check out www.afterstep.org, www.windowmaker.org, and when you upgrade your RAM, I recommend taking a look at KDE - a very "windows-ish" Desktop Environment that I have come to really like. (www.kde.org) > Despite all of that, I am sticking with FreeBSD. Some day, I'll learn how > to use it. :-) It is a very steep learning curve, though! Hey, keep it up! It really is worth it. > > Not that this has anything to do with the subject line. I suspect the other > OS mentioned there would be even harder for me to learn. Maybe I'm just > getting old (will turn 49 next month). Computers were so much simpler when > I was 15! Heh - back in the days when "GUI" meant that someone spilled their coffee on the punch cards... M. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 26 8: 2: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd88.hotmail.com [207.82.252.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1074815536 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:02:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from revandrew@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 27961 invoked by uid 0); 26 Mar 1999 16:01:41 -0000 Message-ID: <19990326160141.27960.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 168.212.224.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:01:41 PST X-Originating-IP: [168.212.224.2] From: "Rev. Andrew Mudd" To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Panic: Page Fault Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:01:41 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When I try to install BSD 2.2.6 on a Packard Bell Vectra VL2 4/50 (486, 50mhz), it boots fine from the boot floppy until it gets to the blue "probing, please wait..." screen. Then it gives me "Panic: Page Fault" What's the problem? I have 20 megs of ram in the machine, so it's not that I don't have enough. Anybody experienced this? Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 26 8:42:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gaia.euronet.nl (gaia.euronet.nl [194.134.0.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CEE215683 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:42:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Received: from charon.eboa.com (n669.telekabel.euronet.nl [194.134.130.170]) by gaia.euronet.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA22166 from for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:42:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by charon.eboa.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA06342 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:42:02 +0100 Message-ID: <36FBB961.B7B5208B@eboa.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:44:17 +0100 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eboa - engineering buro Office Automation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Is this normal? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After the initial install I had at least some DESCR files in the ports collection. Today I have none: root:/usr/src/sys/i386/conf# find /usr/ports -name DESCR -print | wc -l 0 root:/usr/src/sys/i386/conf# find /usr/ports -name README.html -print | wc -l 2132 Since install I've experience a few hardware induced crashes, descriptions in the mail archive. But I don't think it likely it would cause this. Also I've run CVSup twice. Including the ports collection. Using this supfile: --- *default host=cvsup.uk.FreeBSD.org *default base=/usr/local/etc/cvsup *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_3 *default delete use-rel-suffix # If your network link is a T1 or faster, comment out the following line. *default compress src-all ports-all --- Could that have caused it? If not, then what? Roelof -- Home is where the (@) http://eboa.com/ is. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 26 15:24: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (wya-253-79.hotmail.com [207.82.253.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B1A115174 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:24:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from revandrew@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 17609 invoked by uid 0); 26 Mar 1999 23:23:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19990326232347.17608.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 152.173.237.25 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:23:45 PST X-Originating-IP: [152.173.237.25] From: "Rev. Andrew Mudd" To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Panic: Page Fault Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:23:45 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I managed to get a screen dump of it this time, perhaps this will help: DEBUG: ioctl(3, TIOCCONS, NULL) = 0 (success) DEBUG: Found a network device named lp0 nca1/1/0 (cd0) timed out nca1/1/0 (cd0) timed out Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x8 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf01e9d4f stack pointer = 0x10:0xefbffcd4 frame pointer = 0x10:0xefbffce0 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processer eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 1 (sysinstall) interrupt mask = bio anyone else have any ideas? -Rev. Andrew >From: Bill Swingle >To: "Rev. Andrew Mudd" >Subject: Re: Panic: Page Fault >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:57:38 -0800 > >I have seen this before with bad floppies. Get a new floppy and try it >again. Of course I have seen this happen with perfectly good floppies >too. Hrmm. > >-Bill > >On Fri, Mar 26, 1999 at 08:01:41AM -0800, Rev. Andrew Mudd wrote: >> When I try to install BSD 2.2.6 on a Packard Bell Vectra VL2 4/50 (486, >> 50mhz), it boots fine from the boot floppy until it gets to the blue >> "probing, please wait..." screen. Then it gives me "Panic: Page Fault" >> What's the problem? I have 20 megs of ram in the machine, so it's not >> that I don't have enough. Anybody experienced this? >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > >-- >-=| Bill Swingle - >-=| "I hate quotations." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson >-=| FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! - http://www.freebsd.org/ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 26 15:40:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from griffin.sytex.net (griffin.sytex.net [205.147.189.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EAB514D58 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:40:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dick@griffin.sytex.net) Received: from localhost (dick@localhost) by griffin.sytex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10110 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:31:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dick@griffin.sytex.net) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:31:32 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Griffin To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Oops: I overwrote 'swriter3' file Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was using 'script' wrong. I wrote 'scritp swrite3' and pressed enter the object was to capture the screens to analyze an error the result was that the output of 'script' replace the file 'swriter3. How can I recover? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 26 16: 3:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sumatra.americantv.com (sumatra.americantv.com [207.170.17.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF9F614DB9 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:03:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jlemon@americantv.com) Received: from right.PCS (right.PCS [148.105.10.31]) by sumatra.americantv.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26407; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:03:14 -0600 (CST) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by right.PCS (8.6.13/8.6.4) id SAA03212; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:02:43 -0600 Message-ID: <19990326180243.63947@right.PCS> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:02:43 -0600 From: Jonathan Lemon To: "Rev. Andrew Mudd" Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Panic: Page Fault References: <19990326232347.17608.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.61.1 In-Reply-To: <19990326232347.17608.qmail@hotmail.com>; from Rev. Andrew Mudd on Mar 03, 1999 at 03:23:45PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mar 03, 1999 at 03:23:45PM -0700, Rev. Andrew Mudd wrote: > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode > fault virtual address = 0x8 > fault code = supervisor read, page not present > instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf01e9d4f > stack pointer = 0x10:0xefbffcd4 > frame pointer = 0x10:0xefbffce0 > code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 > processer eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 > current process = 1 (sysinstall) > interrupt mask = bio > > > anyone else have any ideas? Yes; something dereferenced a null pointer. I'd suggest asking on -questions or -hackers, and/or trying with a more recent version. This may be a known bug, but if it isn't, there isn't enough information from the above to exactly track down where the problem is. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 26 17:30:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A47314FF3 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:30:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA27650 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:30:17 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 12:30:17 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199903270130.MAA27650@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources:charters.html) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 26 19:39:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24AA714E93; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:39:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt8-216-180-14-41.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.14.41]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA31584; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 21:39:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA21330; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 21:39:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <199903270339.VAA21330@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars In-reply-to: Message from "G. Adam Stanislav" of "Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:30:33 CST." <3.0.6.32.19990326093033.00919230@mail.bfm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 21:39:28 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "G. Adam Stanislav" writes: [...] > I share your sentiments, Unknown of River Styx. To me FreeBSD is largely a > big intellectual excercise. A powerful OS to which I dedicate 8 Gig of disk > space, while I only dedicate 3 Gig to Windows. I dedicated 20MB to DOS 5 on my 2G disk, upped it to 30MB on my 4G disk, but could see NT rearing its fat head in my future so the 9G disk got a 512MB allocation. Balance to FreeBSD. :-) > But when I actually want to accomplish something, I have no choice but to > boot Windows. Not because I like it but because I know how to use it. And > when I don't, I can always figure it out. There is always the "sink or swim" method. Problem is there isn't always enough time to recover from drowning. :-) When I really am under the gun to produce a pretty document I fire up the real tool, my Power Macintosh. One day soon I'm going to put WordPerfect thru the drill under FreeBSD. Was hoping to be playing with Applixware by now. :-( > Under FreeBSD (and, I suppose Unix in general), the solution is no doubt > available and probably more powerful, but it always requires me to use some > cryptically named command. Man pages are of little help to me: First of > all, I would need to know the name of the command to even get to the man > page. And even when I do, it seems the man page is always written in some > foreign language that only outwardly resembles English. Apropos usually > does not help me much either. I never could remember how to spell apropos but could always remember, "man -k". > Just days ago I have installed XFree86 3.3.3.1. Its interface is > reminiscent of Windows 1.0, XFree86 puts you in the minimalist barest window manager in existence, twm. Over the years I keep trying something else but keep falling back to twm. If only I could select twm windows on their borders, and grow them on their corners, I'd be happy. I am happy with SGI's default desktop but don't happen to have an SGI anymore. Don't need the icons. Liked their windows. Liked their clean desktop menu box thingy they put in the top left corner of the screen. If you fire up XFree86 via xdm the default Xsession manager is functional, but ugly, and full of warnings on exit when it doesn't get the information it wishes out of your apps as they are shutdown. > (I kinda suspect that I need more RAM, I only have 8 Meg, although > that is supposed to be enough.) 8M is more than plenty if its VIDEO RAM, but for core? 16M is the often quoted minimum. At work they'll only give me 24MB. Works. Netscape has to swap most every time I pull down a menu. But it works. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 26 19:42:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E14914E93; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 19:42:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r45.bfm.org [208.18.213.141]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id WAA14374; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 22:42:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990326213540.008f2c90@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 21:35:40 -0600 To: Marty Poulin From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars Cc: unknown@riverstyx.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.19990326093033.00919230@mail.bfm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:50 26-03-1999 -0500, Marty Poulin wrote: >You'd be surprised what you can get away with without having to resort to >Windows. These days the only thing I need to boot down to microsoft for >is to surf the web using all those funky multimedia plugins that haven't >been ported to BSD (yet). And the odd game. Well, I really do not care for those funky plugins. And the only game I play under Win95 is Free Cell anyway. But I do have some programs that have their own file structures, and I have much work done in them. For example, NoteWorthy Composer is a shareware program I have registered and used to compose music with. >I agree, it can be a challenge to find answers at times, but that's where >the archives and mailing lists and FAQ's come in really handy - there is >no way I would have accomplished a fraction of what I have done if it >wasn't for all of the online help. Yes, without support from mailing lists I would have probably given up long time ago. The FAQs are useful for basics, but most of the time I have not found the answers I was seeking. Occasionally I did. I guess the type of questions I ask are not frequent (used to drive my college professors to insanity). :-) >Check out www.afterstep.org, www.windowmaker.org, and when you upgrade >your RAM, I recommend taking a look at KDE - a very "windows-ish" Desktop >Environment that I have come to really like. (www.kde.org) Interesting. I received your message right after I spent considerable time at a place that compares various window managers (got there through a link from FreeBSD.org). I was going to download KDE, but came up on another stumbling point: Just which of the gadzillion files do I need. Boy, do I hate ftp! Just a list of file names with no description. Gosh, it's been some ten years since I heade the Opus development team (Opus being a BBS program that used to be very popular in DOS world). We offered file downloads with description of every file on every single Opus BBS, and we did not invent the idea. Yet, years later, the Internet is still stuck with something as user-unfriendly as ftp. And it is so simple to emulate what we did in the BBS world with plain HTML (also downloads faster than ftp). I don't understand this ftp mentality. On my system I do place all downloads on the ftp site but make symbolic links to all files within the web site and make html pages which describe each file and let you download it by just right-clicking on it. It is so simple to do and makes the files available both by ftp and html without the need of wasting additional disk space (I love symbolic links!). But back to the topic of desktop managers like KDE. Does all X software run under all of them, or do you have to have different software (I mean applications) for, say, KDE and afterstep? I got the impression from KDE web site that applications must be written specifically for KDE... (Incidentally, it is a funny name to me: In Slovak, my mother tongue, "kde" means "where.") >>Computers were so much simpler when >> I was 15! > >Heh - back in the days when "GUI" meant that someone spilled their coffee >on the punch cards... Hehehe, that would have been a disaster! Punch cards were neat back then. I was quite impressed by what they could do and what we could do with them. When I first saw a punch card sorting machine at the age of 15, I was quite awed by its speed. I was a high school student in Slovakia--we were the only high school class in all of Slovakia that specialized in computer programming back then (1965). They took us to a company that had those sorting machines (and other machines). They showed them to us but pretty much did not allow us to touch them. :-) Heh, those machines are ancient history today (but the high school is still there and even has a web site :->). Adam --- Want to design your own web counter? Get GCL 2.10 from http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 26 23:42:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126C114EC9; Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:42:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.56.79]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA5F2D; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:41:52 +0100 Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org (abaddon@daemon [192.168.0.1]) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA71709; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:42:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 08:42:42 +0100 (CET) Organization: Ninth Circle Enterprises From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: unknown@riverstyx.net Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, The Classiest Man Alive , Rainer M Duffner Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 26-Mar-99 unknown@riverstyx.net wrote: > You can get a fully functional networkable Linux machine with a web > browser (Lynx) and FTP on 2 floppies :-) www.freebsd.org/~picobsd --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The idea does not replace the work... Network/Security Specialist *BSD: Powered by Knowledge & Know-how To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 27 13:32:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27853151C6; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:32:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id WAA71755; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:32:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: David Kelly Cc: "G. Adam Stanislav" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars References: <199903270339.VAA21330@nospam.hiwaay.net> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 27 Mar 1999 23:32:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: David Kelly's message of "Fri, 26 Mar 1999 21:39:28 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Kelly writes: > I never could remember how to spell apropos but could always remember, > "man -k". "apropos" has two characters too many, and the letters are further apart on the keyboard than "man -k". No contest. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 27 13:36:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5BC1520F; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:35:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id WAA71769; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 22:33:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: Marty Poulin , unknown@riverstyx.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBSD: The Storage Wars References: <3.0.6.32.19990326093033.00919230@mail.bfm.org> <3.0.6.32.19990326213540.008f2c90@mail.bfm.org> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 27 Mar 1999 23:33:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: "G. Adam Stanislav"'s message of "Fri, 26 Mar 1999 21:35:40 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "G. Adam Stanislav" writes: > Interesting. I received your message right after I spent considerable time > at a place that compares various window managers (got there through a link > from FreeBSD.org). I was going to download KDE, but came up on another > stumbling point: Just which of the gadzillion files do I need. Boy, do I > hate ftp! Just a list of file names with no description. # cd /usr/ports/x11/kde11 # make install clean DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 27 13:36:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net [198.36.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 91C5814BE5 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:35:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dpilgrim@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 11509 invoked by alias); 27 Mar 1999 21:35:15 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 11489 invoked by uid 0); 27 Mar 1999 21:35:15 -0000 Received: from fdsl89.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.80.89) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 27 Mar 1999 21:35:15 -0000 Message-ID: <36FD4F0D.E200DCE2@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 13:35:09 -0800 From: Nocturne Organization: Neatly stacked heaps of digital chaos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: greg strockbine Cc: Marty Poulin , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cable modems are Good Things. References: <36F9502C.9157A560@dpc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org greg strockbine wrote: > > Boy, you've sure been busy, didn't notice an ftp server in > there anywhere :-) > > DSL is good too. I did a network install of FreeBSD over > my DSL line, got transfer rates between 80-130 Kbytes/sec. Just how fast you runnin' there pard? I'm going to get a second 640Kbps line because my single just ain't fast enough. ;-) (What else did you expect from a 10-year internet junkie?) -- dpilgrim@uswest.net /\ / __ Our lies are merely the gryph@mindless.com / \/OC/URNE truth of another world ICQ: 29880099 Death is not a kill -9, just a DALnet: anim0s make world and shutdown -r now PGPKey availble To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message