From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 4 8:10: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.globalserve.net (mail5.globalserve.net [209.90.128.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A8814F65 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 08:10:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lalala@globalserve.net) Received: from globalserve.net (dialin97.montreal.globalserve.net [209.167.12.97]) by mail5.globalserve.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16956 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <377F4044.ECF361E3@globalserve.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 11:06:45 +0000 From: Marty C X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Do NOT reply to "Deleting Your Address." References: <384.65839.763749@npcollege-edu.net> <19990704090105.45262@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I dug around their site a bit, since they strike me as being too stupid to have the compitence to own their own internet connection... I now have reason to suspect that they are "newam3@pacbell.net" in addition to whatever@npcollege and think a letter (or twenty from the group) to abuse@pacbell.net might be a more appropriate response than clicking reply, such as Mr. I-run-a-school-but-have-no-grammer suggests. Sue Blake wrote: > On Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 12:26:53PM +0000, workshop@npcollege-edu.net wrote: > > > > From:The SFSE(Scientific Facts Search Engine). > > > > When you send an email to EDU,R&D,or Job > > sites,your email might be forwarded via the > > SFSE to find the info you are looking for. > > This was just a spam that was sent through the freebsd-newbies list. > It was not sent to you personally, and they have no idea who you are. > > Do NOT reply to it. > > Do NOT even reply to remove your name, despite what they say. > If you do they will GET your name and email address and likely sell it > to other spammers so that your mailbox fills up with more and more stupid > adverts that you have to pay for.... You know the deal. > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- ======================================= | from Martin, lalala@globalserve.net | | -Destroyer of Hard Drives | | -Mangler of partition tables | | -Data's worst nightmare | ======================================= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 4 11: 2:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from fellspt.charm.net (fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D2C14EF9 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 11:02:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dutch@charm.net) Received: from charm.net ([209.143.115.127]) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19285 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 14:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <377FA181.4F5DB734@charm.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 14:01:37 -0400 From: Dutch Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Changes to .conf and disaster? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I thought I would ask about this before I started something that could result in "oops"; Would I regret changing .conf, rc., and others to match what I have read in Nemeth. Example; directory names and places, and filenames. The reason: I can give someone the book and say *read it* and baby-sit madelyn (the pc). don't know where to send this, but maybe someone else has had such an idea - maybe only a newbie would. thanks -d -- +------------------------------------------------------+ | If you want to make god laugh - tell him your plans. | | Kim Basinger | | Voice Line: 410.922.5805 | +------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 4 14:27:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt054n86.san.rr.com (dt054n86.san.rr.com [24.30.152.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7FE14C1B for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 14:27:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt054n86.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14831; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 14:27:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <377FD1C9.5AFC9FB8@gorean.org> Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 14:27:37 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dutch Collins Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Changes to .conf and disaster? References: <377FA181.4F5DB734@charm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dutch Collins wrote: > > I thought I would ask about this before I started something that > could result in "oops"; > > Would I regret changing .conf, rc., and others to match what I have > read in Nemeth. Example; directory names and places, and filenames. > The reason: I can give someone the book and say *read it* and baby-sit > madelyn (the pc). > > don't know where to send this, but maybe someone else has had such > an idea - maybe only a newbie would. Yes, it would be a really bad idea to change things like that. I'm not sure which book exactly that you are talking about, but FreeBSD has a number of quirks that make it different from other OS'es, even other unix OS'es. If you have a specific task that you are trying to accomplish you might want to formulate a question and send it to the freebsd-questions list. Otherwise, just changing things to make them look like the book is a bad idea. :) Good luck, Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 4 16: 1:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from npcollege-edu.net (mail.npcollege-edu.net [209.232.226.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5DA881517F; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:01:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from workshop@npcollege-edu.net) From: Subject: Re: Deleting Your Address. Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 12:36:33 Message-Id: <328.764314.374433@npcollege-edu.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From:The SFSE(Scientific Facts Search Engine). When you send an email to EDU,R&D,or Job sites,your email might be forwarded via the SFSE to find the info you are looking for. The NU(NewAmerica University)has received a copy of your email,but the date is Feb/25/99.Do you still need this info? To refresh your memory you can go again to the NU website and look for these topics: "The Redeemat has solved all environmental problems"-"The 9% Producer Fee would eliminate crime & taxes within 3 years"-"The free NHRI (National Health & Retirement Insurance")- "The job guarantee system(JIC/Job Insurance Corporation)"and "The list of 22nd Centurys' products & businesses available right now". Or,request for the records of the SFSE search by putting in the subject REQUESTING INFO and click REPLY. Or,in the future send "REQUEST FOR SEARCH" (on any topic) directly to SFSE, and they will do the search for you,put in the subject SFSE. Or,please allow us to DELETE your address permanently by simply clicking REPLY. 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Mike ====================================================================== Mike Avery MAvery@mail.otherwhen.com (409)-842-2942 (work) ICQ: 16241692 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: My hovercraft is full of eels. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 6 9:10:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B00E1546B; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:10:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id CAA29781; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 02:10:33 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990707021027.34687@welearn.com.au> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 02:10:27 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: spam [was: Earn Cash] References: <37820E54.E7A553E2@charm.net> <199907061513.KAA11426@hostigos.otherwhen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199907061513.KAA11426@hostigos.otherwhen.com>; from Mike Avery on Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 10:11:25AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 6 Jul 99, at 10:10, Dutch Collins wrote: > This really is Lucky's Casino. Where does this stuff come from? I guess > everyone has to live with it. My guess is that when I respond my URL or > e-mail address gets logged. Yes, if you respond to the spammer's address you're likely to get much more spam and find your email address turns up on a CD that is sold to spammers. Go to www.yahoo.com.au and search for "spam" to find lots more information. Spammers also use stupid software to go through web sites picking up anything with an @ symbol in it to create lists of email addresses to use or sell. That's how they get the mailing list addresses and think they're individual people. If we took the mailing list addresses off all web pages including the Handbook, that would be worse for the lists than the relatively small amount of spam that the lists get. On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 10:11:25AM -0500, Mike Avery wrote: > Let's hope we don't have to live with it! Are the FreeBSD lists > filtered so only subscribers can post to them? That has all but > eliminated spam in the mailing lists I run. No, every public FreeBSD list works the same: anyone can post. That is not likely to be changed. This suggestion has been discussed ad nauseum, and the benefits of having the lists open always outweigh the risks involved. Other lists for other communities have different setups and rules. The FreeBSD lists are a special case, set up and run to suit this community's long standing habits and preferences. Personally, I think it would be great if freebsd-newbies was for subscribers only. In fact I'd like to give everyone a quiz first, to make sure they've read the charter :-) OK, I can dream can't I? One of the functions of the freebsd-newbies list is to help you get used to how they work. For example, it is customary to use the group-reply or reply-to-all function, so that the original poster gets a separate copy of the reply as well as one via the list. That practice would be frowned upon in many other communities, but it is preferred here. Of course it means you have to trim superfluous addresses from the message headers when they accumulate during a long thread of conversation. > Also, does the mail server that processes subscriptions check > addresses against any of the anti-spam services? Yes, it certainly does, plus it excludes its own list of people who have spammed the lists. On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 08:15:16AM -0700, Moreau, Edward W wrote: > I've gotten 5 mailings already this morning and I won't stand for it. You must be subscribed to five lists. They hit them all. > I'm removing myself from the list for a few weeks until you can clean it up. I'm sorry you find that necessary, but I understand. Those particular spammers will be excluded from posting to freebsd.org in due course, but they're not the only spammers in the world. There is no special "cleaning up" to do, just following normal procedures. Let me assure you that the FreeBSD lists and mail servers are run by people with decades of experience who know what they're doing and constantly fight against spam. Some of the list policies seem a bit strange to people used to other lists. If you're curious about those policies and conventions, this is a good place to ask. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 6 9:50: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 608) id 84EB014C4E; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:50:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: sue@welearn.com.au Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <19990707021027.34687@welearn.com.au> (message from Sue Blake on Wed, 7 Jul 1999 02:10:27 +1000) Subject: Re: spam [was: Earn Cash] Message-Id: <19990706165006.84EB014C4E@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 02:10:27 +1000 > From: Sue Blake > > Let me assure you that the FreeBSD lists and mail servers are run by > people with decades of experience who know what they're doing and > constantly fight against spam. Some of the list policies seem a bit > strange to people used to other lists. If you're curious about those > policies and conventions, this is a good place to ask. > The FreeBSD lists are regularly targetted by spammers. once, hit we prevent that person/domain from ever spamming us again. currently we filter nearly 2500 domains and ip address ranges locally, we also use MAPS and DUL. once email has been accepted by the server, it then must pass additional tests before it is resent to the lists. should you have a problem or see recurrent spamming, please contact me at either jmb@freebsd.org or postmaster@freebsd.org. jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve JMB193 http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 6 10:21:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from fellspt.charm.net (fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53AB14EB2 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:21:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dutch@charm.net) Received: from charm.net (coretel-116-040.charm.net [209.143.116.40] (may be forged)) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02912; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37823AD8.3EBAECA2@charm.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:20:24 -0400 From: Dutch Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: spam [was: Earn Cash] References: <37820E54.E7A553E2@charm.net> <199907061513.KAA11426@hostigos.otherwhen.com> <19990707021027.34687@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > > On 6 Jul 99, at 10:10, Dutch Collins wrote: > > This really is Lucky's Casino. Where does this stuff come from? I guess > > everyone has to live with it. My guess is that when I respond my URL or > > e-mail address gets logged. > > Yes, if you respond to the spammer's address you're likely to get much > more spam and find your email address turns up on a CD that is sold to > spammers. Go to www.yahoo.com.au and search for "spam" to find lots > more information. > > Spammers also use stupid software to go through web sites picking up > anything with an @ symbol in it to create lists of email addresses to > use or sell. That's how they get the mailing list addresses and think > they're individual people. If we took the mailing list addresses off > all web pages including the Handbook, that would be worse for the lists > than the relatively small amount of spam that the lists get. > > On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 10:11:25AM -0500, Mike Avery wrote: > > Let's hope we don't have to live with it! Are the FreeBSD lists > > filtered so only subscribers can post to them? That has all but > > eliminated spam in the mailing lists I run. > > No, every public FreeBSD list works the same: anyone can post. > That is not likely to be changed. This suggestion has been discussed > ad nauseum, and the benefits of having the lists open always outweigh > the risks involved. Other lists for other communities have different > setups and rules. The FreeBSD lists are a special case, set up and run > to suit this community's long standing habits and preferences. > > Personally, I think it would be great if freebsd-newbies was for > subscribers only. In fact I'd like to give everyone a quiz first, to > make sure they've read the charter :-) OK, I can dream can't I? > > One of the functions of the freebsd-newbies list is to help you get > used to how they work. For example, it is customary to use the > group-reply or reply-to-all function, so that the original poster gets > a separate copy of the reply as well as one via the list. That practice > would be frowned upon in many other communities, but it is preferred > here. Of course it means you have to trim superfluous addresses from > the message headers when they accumulate during a long thread of > conversation. > > > Also, does the mail server that processes subscriptions check > > addresses against any of the anti-spam services? > > Yes, it certainly does, plus it excludes its own list of people who > have spammed the lists. > > On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 08:15:16AM -0700, Moreau, Edward W wrote: > > I've gotten 5 mailings already this morning and I won't stand for it. > > You must be subscribed to five lists. They hit them all. > > > I'm removing myself from the list for a few weeks until you can clean it up. > > I'm sorry you find that necessary, but I understand. Those particular > spammers will be excluded from posting to freebsd.org in due course, > but they're not the only spammers in the world. There is no special > "cleaning up" to do, just following normal procedures. > > Let me assure you that the FreeBSD lists and mail servers are run by > people with decades of experience who know what they're doing and > constantly fight against spam. Some of the list policies seem a bit > strange to people used to other lists. If you're curious about those > policies and conventions, this is a good place to ask. > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > That message had more information than I thought I needed. Reads like it could be a standard message, like the 'first aid kit', and clue everyone in when they are *clueless*. thanks -d >| Voice Line: 410.922.5805 | +------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 6 13:37:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from a.servers.aozilla.com (unknown [216.22.145.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA793151FA for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:37:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd@a.servers.aozilla.com) Received: from localhost (bsd@localhost) by a.servers.aozilla.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21496 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:37:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mr. K." To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: spam [was: Earn Cash] In-Reply-To: <19990707021027.34687@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 10:11:25AM -0500, Mike Avery wrote: > > Let's hope we don't have to live with it! Are the FreeBSD lists > > filtered so only subscribers can post to them? That has all but > > eliminated spam in the mailing lists I run. > > No, every public FreeBSD list works the same: anyone can post. > That is not likely to be changed. This suggestion has been discussed > ad nauseum, and the benefits of having the lists open always outweigh > the risks involved. Other lists for other communities have different not the least of which is that I can post to the list from a different account than the one which receives the emails, thereby keeping all my "gee i harvested your email address from your post to the freebsd list" mail in one handy easy to delete mailbox, bsd@a.servers.aozilla.com. I have been on other lists though which enable this through a "send-only" subscription. I would think this would keep out just about any automated spamming system (without artificial intelligence capabilities :). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 6 15:47: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dsinw.com (dsinw.com [207.149.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5F014C32 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:47:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@dsinw.com) Received: from akane (ppp122.pm3-0.pdx.dsinw.com [207.149.41.122]) by dsinw.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13960; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 15:29:17 -0700 () From: Rick Hamell To: "Moreau, Edward W" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Earn Cash In-Reply-To: <0428AD6295E1D211AC4400A0C969E8A234EF84@orsmsx43.jf.intel.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: hamellr@dsinw.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I've gotten 5 mailings already this morning and I won't stand for it. > > I'm removing myself from the list for a few weeks until you can clean it up. > > These comments do not reflect the opinions of my employer or anybody else. Sorry to see you go. Luckily the 5 pieces of spam mail we've had are the exception, not the rule. In fact... I think those would be the first ones I've seen on this list. Now, someone else asked why the list isn't filtered better. The problem is that most the FreeBSD lists are help lists. They're meant to give people who have a one time question the place to ask it without having to subscribe and get 1000 extra non-related messages. > Let's hope we don't have to live with it! Are the FreeBSD lists > filtered so only subscribers can post to them? That has all but > eliminated spam in the mailing lists I run. > > Also, does the mail server that processes subscriptions check > addresses against any of the anti-spam services? No... for the reason above. They're pretty much open lists. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 6 16:21:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hostigos.otherwhen.com (mavery-gw.pernet.net [205.229.2.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378A715453 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:21:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mavery@mail.otherwhen.com) Received: from mail.otherwhen.com (mail.2.229.205.in-addr.arpa [205.229.2.19] (may be forged)) by hostigos.otherwhen.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13162 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:23:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199907062323.SAA13162@hostigos.otherwhen.com> Received: from PORKY/SpoolDir by mail.otherwhen.com (Mercury 1.45); 6 Jul 99 18:21:26 -0600 Received: from SpoolDir by PORKY (Mercury 1.45); 6 Jul 99 18:21:14 -0600 From: "Mike Avery" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:21:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: spam [was: Earn Cash] Reply-To: mavery@mail.otherwhen.com In-reply-to: <37823AD8.3EBAECA2@charm.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 6 Jul 99, at 13:20, Dutch Collins wrote: > Sue Blake wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 10:11:25AM -0500, Mike Avery wrote: > > > Let's hope we don't have to live with it! Are the FreeBSD lists > > > filtered so only subscribers can post to them? That has all but > > > eliminated spam in the mailing lists I run. > > No, every public FreeBSD list works the same: anyone can post. > > That is not likely to be changed. This suggestion has been discussed ad > > nauseum, and the benefits of having the lists open always outweigh the > > risks involved. Other lists for other communities have different setups > > and rules. The FreeBSD lists are a special case, set up and run to suit > > this community's long standing habits and preferences. I'll point out that if someone is not a subscriber, they won't be able to see replies to their messages. So... even if the note sent to the list is legitamate, it's a waste of bandwidth as far as getting a reply to the person who posted the message. So, without dragging things out, what are the factors that make letting people who are not in a list post to it seem justifiable? Mike ====================================================================== Mike Avery MAvery@mail.otherwhen.com (409)-842-2942 (work) ICQ: 16241692 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: Cogito ergo Batman. I think, therefor I *BLAM*! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 6 16:49:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3056614CFF for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:49:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA01601; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:49:33 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990707094927.13632@welearn.com.au> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:49:27 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: mavery@mail.otherwhen.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: spam [was: Earn Cash] References: <37823AD8.3EBAECA2@charm.net> <199907062323.SAA13162@hostigos.otherwhen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199907062323.SAA13162@hostigos.otherwhen.com>; from Mike Avery on Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 06:21:13PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 06:21:13PM -0500, Mike Avery wrote: > On 6 Jul 99, at 13:20, Dutch Collins wrote: > > > Sue Blake wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 06, 1999 at 10:11:25AM -0500, Mike Avery wrote: > > > > Let's hope we don't have to live with it! Are the FreeBSD lists > > > > filtered so only subscribers can post to them? That has all but > > > > eliminated spam in the mailing lists I run. > > > > No, every public FreeBSD list works the same: anyone can post. > > > That is not likely to be changed. This suggestion has been discussed ad > > > nauseum, and the benefits of having the lists open always outweigh the > > > risks involved. Other lists for other communities have different setups > > > and rules. The FreeBSD lists are a special case, set up and run to suit > > > this community's long standing habits and preferences. > > I'll point out that if someone is not a subscriber, they won't be able > to see replies to their messages. So... even if the note sent to the list > is legitamate, it's a waste of bandwidth as far as getting a reply to > the person who posted the message. No, that's not a problem because you're supposed to do a group reply which sends them a copy whether they're on the list or not. This is not a rule and not policed, but it is "the done thing 'round here" and what you'll see all the old timers doing. > So, without dragging things out, what are the factors that make > letting people who are not in a list post to it seem justifiable? Many of the movers and shakers and selfless volunteers in FreeBSD do the kind of work that has them using all sorts of machines, and they won't necessarily be sitting at their home PC when they want to send a note, reply to a freebsd-questions plea for help, or offer code fixes. If they can reply from where they are when they're in the mood, they're more likely to do so. Remember, these are people working for us for nothing, doing what they normally get paid big bikkies for, so they don't want to hop through too many extra hoops to please us. Also, say they've subscribed at home and post to a list from work, the list copy will go to home as usual but the personal copy will reach them at work, and quicker than the one that went through the list. This leads to lively exchanges in real time that could not be achieved any other way. A newbie-relevant example would be posting to freebsd-questions from a friend's house because your system is stuffed, and getting a helpful reply copied to your friend's place, then a few minutes later getting a followup from someone else who found a mistake in the first remedy suggested to you. This happened to me in the early days. I used an alternative account to post a message to -questions when in urgent need, and luckily Greg Lehey just happened to be at his email at the time, responded and asked for particular details which I then supplied and he commented on. We had half a dozen messages each way within about ten minutes, plus some other people butting in with things like "yeah, but watch out for this too". I was really blown away by that. I'd used lists for years but it had always been at least a 24 hour turnaround. If replies had gone to the list only I wouldn't have seen them, and if they'd gone to me only nobody else would have benefited. Not only did I get everything sorted out quickly despite my inability to explain clearly enough at first, but also every future FreeBSD user who has a similar problem will be able to find the whole thread when they search the list archives. Moral: Unless there is a good reason not to, always reply to both the list and the person, for any FreeBSD list. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 6 20:30:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gw-nl3.philips.com (gw-nl3.philips.com [192.68.44.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF5415019 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:30:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lawrence.hy.cheung@philips.com) Received: from smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (localhost.philips.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl3.philips.com with ESMTP id FAA11928 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 05:30:20 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from lawrence.hy.cheung@philips.com) From: lawrence.hy.cheung@philips.com Received: from smtprelay-eur1.philips.com(130.139.36.3) by gw-nl3.philips.com via mwrap (4.0a) id xma011926; Wed, 7 Jul 99 05:30:21 +0200 Received: from smtpnotes-nl1.philips.com (smtpnotes-nl1.philips.com [130.139.36.9]) by smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (8.9.3/8.8.5-1.2.2m-19990317) with ESMTP id FAA25315 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 05:30:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from APLMS01.DIAMOND.PHILIPS.COM (aplms01sv1.diamond.philips.com [130.147.79.213]) by smtpnotes-nl1.philips.com (8.9.3/8.8.5-1.2.2m-19990317) with ESMTP id FAA29313 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 05:30:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by APLMS01.DIAMOND.PHILIPS.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 4.0) with snapi via APAC id 0056920002571940; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:30:20 +0800 To: Subject: int-des CTM Message-ID: <0056920002571940000002L202*@MHS> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:30:20 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 07/07/99 11:27:41" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello folks, I am a newbie in Hong Kong so that I need to get the international vers= ion source. After I first logged in South Africa Site and then went to CTM director= y, I discovered some different branches: int-des-src2, int-des-src3, int-des= -stable, & int-des-current. Which one do I follow? I am running 3.2-STABLE. Besides, I want to know where I can get a cross reference about the rel= ationship between CTM-patch level & FreeBSD Release. Thanks Regards, Lawrence Hon-Yu Cheung = To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 7 8: 9:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5935E14E03 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:09:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@marconi.concentric.net) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id LAA20477; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:08:17 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts003d12.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d12.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.120]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id LAA16841; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:11:33 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke X-Sender: mlduke@concentric.net To: lawrence.hy.cheung@philips.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: int-des CTM In-Reply-To: <0056920002571940000002L202*@MHS> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Send this one to "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" and ask for a private reply if you are not subscribed. ML Duke > I am a newbie in Hong Kong so that I need to get the international version source. > After I first logged in South Africa Site and then went to CTM directory, I > discovered some different branches: int-des-src2, int-des-src3, int-des-stable, > & int-des-current. Which one do I follow? I am running 3.2-STABLE. > > Besides, I want to know where I can get a cross reference about the relationship > between CTM-patch level & FreeBSD Release. Thanks > > Regards, > Lawrence Hon-Yu Cheung To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 8 12:53:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from colibri.cpqd.com.br (colibri.cpqd.com.br [200.231.0.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A500314F3D for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:53:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cosenza@cpqd.com.br) Received: from cpqd.com.br (intrepid.cpqd.com.br [10.202.40.101]) by colibri.cpqd.com.br (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA05285 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:47:56 -0300 (EST) Message-ID: <37850146.7F302EE3@cpqd.com.br> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 16:51:34 -0300 From: Jose Antonio Cosenza Organization: Fundacao CPqD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: sys-unconfig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi I installed the freebsd in a pc, but I made some errors. I need remake the setting. Someone know which the equivalent command "sys-unconfig" (solaris 2) in freebsd. Jose A. Cosenza To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 8 15:39:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from fellspt.charm.net (fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD3E151B2 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:39:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dutch@charm.net) Received: from charm.net (coretel-115-040.charm.net [209.143.115.40]) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24307 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37852871.3C5127EB@charm.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 18:38:41 -0400 From: Dutch Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: WordPerfect 8 & SGML/DocBook - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have started reading the specs for FreeBSD documentation. I was wondering if anyone has tried writing with WordPerfect 8. It does support DTDs, so the documentation says. Since my BSD disk is "Shagged" [1] (not for long) and I am stuck in windoze-land with WP8 - I need to find the DocBook DTD and try it. In WP8's environment it states that DocBook is supported. I don't know enough to take WP at it's word, although I would like to check it out. -dutch [1] is it ok to say shagged in public if you are not in Great Britain? -- +------------------------------------------------------+ | If you want to make god laugh - tell him your plans. | | Kim Basinger | | Voice Line: 410.922.5805 | +------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 8 16:13:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C29E14EB6 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:12:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.2) id WAA04917; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:40:34 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:40:33 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Dutch Collins Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Changes to .conf and disaster? Message-ID: <19990708224033.A4602@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <377FA181.4F5DB734@charm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <377FA181.4F5DB734@charm.net>; from Dutch Collins on Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 02:01:37PM -0400 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 02:01:37PM -0400, Dutch Collins wrote: > I thought I would ask about this before I started something that > could result in "oops"; > > Would I regret changing .conf, rc., and others to match what I have > read in Nemeth. Example; directory names and places, and filenames. > The reason: I can give someone the book and say *read it* and baby-sit > madelyn (the pc). You could. But you probably don't want to. By and large, where FreeBSD diverges with the BSD defined in Nemeth it's for a good reason. If you change it back you lose whatever benefits the change bought in the first place, and you make your system subtly different from other FreeBSD systems out there -- this will probably turn around and bite you in the future. It's probably simpler to go through the Nemeth book with a pencil, annotating the bits that are not the same in FreeBSD, possibly indicating the appropriate man page to read instead. Hope that helps, N -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 8 16:23:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from fellspt.charm.net (fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E4D14EB6 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:23:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dutch@charm.net) Received: from charm.net (coretel-116-156.charm.net [209.143.116.156]) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28265; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <378532A3.C0C8D6E4@charm.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:22:11 -0400 From: Dutch Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Changes to .conf and disaster? References: <377FA181.4F5DB734@charm.net> <19990708224033.A4602@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 04, 1999 at 02:01:37PM -0400, Dutch Collins wrote: > > I thought I would ask about this before I started something that > > could result in "oops"; > > > > Would I regret changing .conf, rc., and others to match what I have > > read in Nemeth. Example; directory names and places, and filenames. > > The reason: I can give someone the book and say *read it* and baby-sit > > madelyn (the pc). > > You could. But you probably don't want to. > > By and large, where FreeBSD diverges with the BSD defined in Nemeth it's > for a good reason. If you change it back you lose whatever benefits > the change bought in the first place, and you make your system subtly > different from other FreeBSD systems out there -- this will probably > turn around and bite you in the future. > > It's probably simpler to go through the Nemeth book with a pencil, > annotating the bits that are not the same in FreeBSD, possibly indicating > the appropriate man page to read instead. > > Hope that helps, > > N > -- > [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, > non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs > the links. > -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> Hi, I sort of 'figgered' that it may be system admin. suicide. Did not think of marking up the book with man page references, cool. After I get the *big* scsi drive I'll be back in operation. thanks, -d To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 8 17:34:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6E614E67 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:34:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@marconi.concentric.net) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id UAA14612; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:34:04 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts001d25.mer-id.concentric.net (ts001d25.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.37]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id UAA22004; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:36:02 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke X-Sender: mlduke@concentric.net To: Dutch Collins Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WordPerfect 8 & SGML/DocBook - In-Reply-To: <37852871.3C5127EB@charm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have started reading the specs for FreeBSD documentation. I was > wondering > if anyone has tried writing with WordPerfect 8. Yes. It made possible my complete divorce from micro*&^%$!((*&!! about four months ago. It works fine. Clean install, just make sure you do an install in X and _not_ in text mode from the command line. I'm sending compatible documents ($ work) to clients all over the country. win and aol mess documents up, but that can't be helped much. > although I would like to check it out. There is a free version at corel.com. When you load it up, it will show itself with an expiration date, but all you have to do is go register--for free--and you are home free. I bought the registered version from Linux Mall and got a bit of a discount, $40 and change. > [1] is it ok to say shagged in public if you are not in Great > Britain? I have no clue. But don't say "bloody" in English company :) ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 8 17:50:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from fellspt.charm.net (fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F4814E7F for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:50:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dutch@charm.net) Received: from charm.net (coretel-116-156.charm.net [209.143.116.156]) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06168; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37854721.DB0DB5A4@charm.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:49:37 -0400 From: Dutch Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ML Duke Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WordPerfect 8 & SGML/DocBook - References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ML Duke wrote: > > > I have started reading the specs for FreeBSD documentation. I was > > wondering > > if anyone has tried writing with WordPerfect 8. > > Yes. It made possible my complete divorce from micro*&^%$!((*&!! > about four months ago. It works fine. Clean install, just make sure > you do an install in X and _not_ in text mode from the command line. > > I'm sending compatible documents ($ work) to clients all over the > country. win and aol mess documents up, but that can't be helped > much. > > > although I would like to check it out. > > There is a free version at corel.com. When you load it up, it will > show itself with an expiration date, but all you have to do is go > register--for free--and you are home free. > I bought the registered version from Linux Mall and got a bit of > a discount, $40 and change. > > > [1] is it ok to say shagged in public if you are not in Great > > Britain? > > I have no clue. But don't say "bloody" in English company :) > > ML Duke Ok. No csh install. When the *big* drive gets here I will have room for; X, the SGML stuff, WordPerfect and kernel .src. All I have to do is decide if I want KDE or Gnome. I guess I will get the e-Yahtzee game and roll for it. So, FreeBSD Documentation Project Primer for New Contributors Chapter 3. SGML Primer is where I am right now, more to read before I try anything anyway. thanks -dutch -- +------------------------------------------------------+ | If you want to make god laugh - tell him your plans. | | Kim Basinger | | Voice Line: 410.922.5805 | +------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 8 21:43:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bootes.ebtech.net (bootes.ebtech.net [142.250.0.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5842F14E4C for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:43:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@geeky1.ebtech.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by bootes.ebtech.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with UUCP id AAA27182; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:02:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (paul@localhost) by geeky1.ebtech.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA14649; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:07:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:07:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Anderson To: Dutch Collins Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WordPerfect 8 & SGML/DocBook - In-Reply-To: <37852871.3C5127EB@charm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Dutch Collins wrote: > > [1] is it ok to say shagged in public if you are not in Great > Britain? > I have the distinct feeling that it carries a much stronger connotation in England than in the US, and the reason americans aren't immensely offended by the Austin Powers movies is that many don't really understand the slang(Austin Powers is, IMHO, a half-wit attempt at comedy that wound up in traditional american style, completely wierd and moronic characters in completely wierd and moronic situations - somewhat reminiscent of Pee Wee Herman). IMHO, it is wisest to refrain from using the term. --- Paul Anderson - Self-employed Megalomaniac paul@geeky1.ebtech.net Member of the Sarnia Linux User's Group http://www.sar-net.com/slug http://zephyr.sellad.on.ca/~paul "The bomb will never go off. I speak as an expert in explosives." -- Admiral William Leahy, US Atomic Bomb Project. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 8 21:44: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bootes.ebtech.net (bootes.ebtech.net [142.250.0.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7D414E4C for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:44:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@geeky1.ebtech.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by bootes.ebtech.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with UUCP id AAA27185; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:02:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (paul@localhost) by geeky1.ebtech.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA14670; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:12:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:12:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Anderson To: ML Duke Cc: Dutch Collins , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WordPerfect 8 & SGML/DocBook - In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, ML Duke wrote: > > I have no clue. But don't say "bloody" in English company :) > It depends on the company, some consider it a swear word, some don't. I know one fellow who was a machinist in england ever since he was nine(he's in his sixties now), and he uses bloody and flipping occasionally(more frequently when he's annoyed:), and I'm certain that he would not use those phrases if he considered them swear words. Still, to be careful, I do refrain from using them when other people are around. I find it is very important to have a good vocabulary, and avoid swear words whenever possible(english has over 600,000 words - it shouldn't be that hard to use some different ones). That way not only do you rarely offend people by accident, you also put forth an air of being well educated, intelligent and responsible. TTYL! --- Paul Anderson - Self-employed Megalomaniac paul@geeky1.ebtech.net Member of the Sarnia Linux User's Group http://www.sar-net.com/slug http://zephyr.sellad.on.ca/~paul "Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau." -- Irving Fisher, Professor of Economics, Yale University, 1929. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 9 0: 5:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0745214BDB; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:04:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.2) id AAA20775; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:47:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 00:47:24 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Dutch Collins Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WordPerfect 8 & SGML/DocBook - Message-ID: <19990709004723.A20380@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Reply-To: doc@freebsd.org References: <37852871.3C5127EB@charm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37852871.3C5127EB@charm.net>; from Dutch Collins on Thu, Jul 08, 1999 at 06:38:41PM -0400 Organization: Nik at home, where there's nothing going on Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ CC'd to doc@freebsd.org, and reply-to pointed there, as this is really a doc issue ] On Thu, Jul 08, 1999 at 06:38:41PM -0400, Dutch Collins wrote: > I have started reading the specs for FreeBSD documentation. I was > wondering if anyone has tried writing with WordPerfect 8. It does > support DTDs, so the documentation says. I haven't yet -- I have an on-off working relationship with Emacs that sees me through :-) > Since my BSD disk is "Shagged" [1] (not for long) and I am stuck in > windoze-land with WP8 - I need to find the DocBook DTD and try it. In > WP8's environment it states that DocBook is supported. I don't know > enough to take WP at it's word, although I would like to check it out. Get the DocBook DTD from http://www.docbook.org/. I don't know what you need to do to get it work with WP8, hopefully the WP docs will help. If you do get it working, could you document how you did it, so it can be added to the primer? > [1] is it ok to say shagged in public if you are not in Great > Britain? Yeah, Baby. N ... FreeBSD -- Shagadelic -- [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs the links. -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 9 5:39: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from fellspt.charm.net (fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C71F14E1C for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:38:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dutch@charm.net) Received: from charm.net (coretel-115-032.charm.net [209.143.115.32]) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24351; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3785ED2D.F0FBC067@charm.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 08:38:05 -0400 From: Dutch Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Anderson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WordPerfect 8 & SGML/DocBook - References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paul Anderson wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Dutch Collins wrote: > > > > > [1] is it ok to say shagged in public if you are not in Great > > Britain? > > > I have the distinct feeling that it carries a much stronger connotation in > England than in the US, and the reason americans aren't immensely offended > by the Austin Powers movies is that many don't really understand the > slang(Austin Powers is, IMHO, a half-wit attempt at comedy that wound up > in traditional american style, completely wierd and moronic characters in > completely wierd and moronic situations - somewhat reminiscent of Pee Wee > Herman). IMHO, it is wisest to refrain from using the term. > Interesting. The kind of humor pee wee and austin powers use makes me wonder why some people think that kind of humor is funny. Anyway, the late news (local) had a segment on new titles for the powers movie when it is run in Europe. I have spent enough time on this subject. Back to WordPerfect 8. What I am going to do is run FreeBSD DocBook thru the windoze version and see what happens. Since I do not have enough disk at my ISP (BSDI) to run the SGML package. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 9 6: 4:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from fellspt.charm.net (fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7C015590; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:03:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dutch@charm.net) Received: from charm.net (coretel-115-032.charm.net [209.143.115.32]) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26965; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3785F310.A9AECEC3@charm.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 09:03:12 -0400 From: Dutch Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WordPerfect 8 & SGML/DocBook - References: <37852871.3C5127EB@charm.net> <19990709004723.A20380@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton wrote: > > [ CC'd to doc@freebsd.org, and reply-to pointed there, as this is > really a doc issue ] oops! > > On Thu, Jul 08, 1999 at 06:38:41PM -0400, Dutch Collins wrote: > > I have started reading the specs for FreeBSD documentation. I was > > wondering if anyone has tried writing with WordPerfect 8. It does > > support DTDs, so the documentation says. > > I haven't yet -- I have an on-off working relationship with Emacs that > sees me through :-) At least its not vi. > > Since my BSD disk is "Shagged" [1] (not for long) and I am stuck in > > windoze-land with WP8 - I need to find the DocBook DTD and try it. In > > WP8's environment it states that DocBook is supported. I don't know > > enough to take WP at it's word, although I would like to check it out. > > Get the DocBook DTD from http://www.docbook.org/. I don't know what > you need to do to get it work with WP8, hopefully the WP docs will help. > > If you do get it working, could you document how you did it, so it can > be added to the primer? I have tried a HTML document in WP8. It loaded, but the user interface is a little strange. There is a rather odd method to their system but that could be me - I hack HTML in an editor like Pico. Here is how I am going to attack this: 1) Verify that DocBook and WP8 really do work. a) use the windoze version first due to disk problems. b) use the X version second. Q - are the results the same? 2) Take my scribble and document it using X-WP8. 3) If I have to, I will upload enough of the /doc stuff to my shell account (BSDI) in order to check the WP8 output. 4) Give an offering. May cause my scsi drive to get here quicker. > > [1] is it ok to say shagged in public if you are not in Great > > Britain? > > Yeah, Baby. > See P. Anderson RE: for more detail ... I still don't get it. Powers is funny? Don't think so. > N > > ... FreeBSD -- Shagadelic Ok, I have run out of words now. See ya later. -dutch > -- > [intentional self-reference] can be easily accommodated using a blessed, > non-self-referential dummy head-node whose own object destructor severs > the links. > -- Tom Christiansen in <375143b5@cs.colorado.edu> -- +------------------------------------------------------+ | If you want to make god laugh - tell him your plans. | | Kim Basinger | | Voice Line: 410.922.5805 [dutch collins] | +------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 9 7:31:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from unix1.interlimits.com (unix1.interlimits.com [208.247.66.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7B0155E2 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 07:30:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dlampe@unix1.interlimits.com) Received: from server1 (okc-classifieds.com [208.247.66.20]) by unix1.interlimits.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA01208 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:31:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dlampe@unix1.interlimits.com) From: Dann Lampe Message-ID: <000301beca17$e688dbe0$1442f7d0@server1.okc-classifieds.com> Reply-To: To: Subject: How to Config BACKPACK 800TD? Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:32:40 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Would anybody have reference on how to install and utilize a BACKPACK 800TD (parallel port tape backup) with 3.1-RELEASE. I am at a complete loss on how to address this issue. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 9 8:33:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A215614E0A for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:33:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@marconi.concentric.net) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id LAA18029; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:31:24 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts003d47.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d47.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.155]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id LAA29989; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:35:12 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke X-Sender: mlduke@concentric.net To: Paul Anderson Cc: ML Duke , Dutch Collins , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WordPerfect 8 & SGML/DocBook - In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, ML Duke wrote: > > > > > I have no clue. But don't say "bloody" in English company :) > > > It depends on the company, some consider it a swear word, some don't. I Sheesh! I was kidding. But, "bloody" is roughly equal to the American f***. ML Duke Been There To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 9 8:57:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from fellspt.charm.net (fellspt.charm.net [199.0.70.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB8314EA4 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:57:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dutch@charm.net) Received: from charm.net (coretel-116-103.charm.net [209.143.116.103]) by fellspt.charm.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23227; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37861BB0.4B6935DB@charm.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:56:32 -0400 From: Dutch Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ML Duke Cc: Paul Anderson , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: WordPerfect 8 & SGML/DocBook - References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ML Duke wrote: > > > On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, ML Duke wrote: > > > > > > > > I have no clue. But don't say "bloody" in English company :) > > > > > It depends on the company, some consider it a swear word, some don't. I > > Sheesh! I was kidding. But, "bloody" is roughly equal to the American > f***. > > ML Duke > Been There I was not beating up on goofy humor, really. That first cup of coffee takes time to infiltrate the brain. Duh, what did I say? Some of the things I think are funny amaze the wife and others. I get the "are you well look." -d -- +------------------------------------------------------+ | If you want to make god laugh - tell him your plans. | | Kim Basinger | | Voice Line: 410.922.5805 | +------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 9 12:25:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.hagens.ab.ca (ppp4.heartland.ab.ca [207.107.228.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872EB14CD3 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:25:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darren@telusplanet.net) Received: from darren.hagens.ab.ca ([10.0.1.3]) by freebsd.hagens.ab.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA00234; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 12:34:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from darren@telusplanet.net) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:26:37 +0000 (GMT) From: dkwiebe X-Sender: darren@darren.hagens.ab.ca To: Dann Lampe Cc: FREEBSD-NEWBIES@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to Config BACKPACK 800TD? In-Reply-To: <000301beca17$e688dbe0$1442f7d0@server1.okc-classifieds.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello: I do not believe that their are any drivers for that at the present. I could be mistaken though. Darren Wiebe dkwiebe@hagenhomes.com On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Dann Lampe wrote: > > Would anybody have reference on how to install and utilize a BACKPACK 800TD > (parallel port tape backup) with 3.1-RELEASE. I am at a complete loss on how > to address this issue. > :-) > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 9 13: 5: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4933F1500B for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:05:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@marconi.concentric.net) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id QAA15639; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:03:05 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts002d30.mer-id.concentric.net (ts002d30.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.90]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id QAA01407; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:06:57 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke X-Sender: mlduke@concentric.net To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Writable CD Rom Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is anyone successfully using a re-writable cd-rom? Configuring a new system, and this is one of the last remaining component questions. I've read both the "System Configuration" at freebsd.org and "The Complete FreeBSD." The former addresses the issue, but is a little over my head. It refers to a writable feature in ports, but does not say if it's one-time writable, re-writable, nor if it works with all four supported cd-rom's. ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 9 19:30:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AED14E21 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 19:30:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA16818 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:30:11 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:30:11 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199907100230.MAA16818@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (Last updated 30 August 1998) (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message