From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 26 2:51:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gladstone.uoregon.edu (gladstone.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D519914C92 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 02:51:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tbeaucha@gladstone.uoregon.edu) Received: from agent00ds (cisco-ts8-line13.uoregon.edu [128.223.150.77]) by gladstone.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11325 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 02:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nechaboi@localhost) by agent00ds (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA09452 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 02:48:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nechaboi) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 02:48:45 -0700 From: tbeaucha@gladstone.uoregon.edu To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Quake 3 Message-ID: <19990926024845.A9434@agent00ds.uoregon.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Smc486@aol.com on Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 02:28:09AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Sep 25, 1999 at 02:28:09AM -0400, Smc486@aol.com wrote: > Has anyone gotten Quake 3 Linux version running under FreeBSD? > > Thanks > Sam I havne't yet tried, but I plan on it. Have you? Tiller To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 26 4:23:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44E1153A9 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 04:23:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id HAA29974; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 07:23:31 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts002d48.mer-id.concentric.net (ts002d48.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.108]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id HAA20308; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 07:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 04:22:19 -0600 (MDT) From: mlduke To: Donald Cc: Freebsd Newbies Subject: Re: tar ball the complete drive In-Reply-To: <37ED80F8.EF7B3313@eoe-magical.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I am running FBSD and want to upgrade the server. > Is there a way or an information site on the web that > explains in detail how to tarball the complete hard drive and > transfer it to a new system. man tar example: tar cvpf /dev/rfd0 /etc Would tar up the obvious directory and put it on a floppy. Best guess: tar cvpfr /dev/ / Might do the whole drive. Way to early to rean man pages. ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Sep 26 9:28:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from onondaga.gate.net (onondaga.gate.net [198.206.134.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1629214C95 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 09:28:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wjm@gate.net) Received: from tiwa.gate.net (wjm@tiwa.gate.net [199.227.0.141]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA108056; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:18:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (wjm@localhost) by tiwa.gate.net (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA112640; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:30:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: tiwa.gate.net: wjm owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:30:12 -0400 (EDT) From: William Melanson To: Juha Korkiakangas Cc: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Netscape won't work! In-Reply-To: <37EBC75F.221F3B3@swipnet.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Juha Korkiakangas wrote: % % Error message is ;'can't load /usr/libexec/ld.so'. This ld.so it's not % in my system anymore. % Thank's for help; % Juha % Install the compat22 distribution... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 27 7:35:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82BBB150B4 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 07:34:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mailing@toba.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id QAA15438 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:34:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailing@toba.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from mailing@localhost) by toba.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA43034 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:18:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailing) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:18:28 +0200 From: "A. Satow" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: CTM and 3.3 Stable Message-ID: <19990927151828.A43018@toba.rhein-neckar.de> Reply-To: mailing@toba.rhein-neckar.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am quite new to FreeBSD, coming from Linux I have a few questions. I would like to keep track of the FreeBSD 3.3 Stable branch via CTM. As I am not sure if I setup my system correctly to fullfill the requirements, here is briefly what I did. I just would like to be sure before applying deltas: 1. Downloaded and installed 3.3 from: .../FreeBSD/releases/i386/3.3-STABLE/bin 2. Downloaded the sources (.../srcbin). Did "make world" 3. Downloaded ports.tgz (Symbolic link to ports-current) 4. Downloaded Base Delta from .../FreeBSD/CTM/src-3/src-3.0200xEmpty.gz and corresponding Deltas. Subscribed to the corresponding Mailing lists. Questions: a. Are these the Deltas corresponding to 3.3-Stable? b. Dmesg shows: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE #0: Fri Sep 24 09:43:40 CEST 1999 Is this not 3.3-STABLE? c. In the Mailing-List index there is a group called ctm-src-3-fast (therie is also one called ctm-src-cur-fast). What is it for? I would be very glad to receive any hint in which direction I should start. Thanks in advance. Bye Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 27 7:36:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8669C14A2F for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 07:36:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mailing@toba.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id QAA15481 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:35:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailing@toba.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from mailing@localhost) by toba.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA43049 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:19:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailing) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:19:34 +0200 From: "A. Satow" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Looking for a tool: strace in Linux Message-ID: <19990927151933.B43018@toba.rhein-neckar.de> Reply-To: mailing@toba.rhein-neckar.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am switching my box from Linux to FreeBSD. I browsed through the ports collection but did not find a tool called strace in Linux it traces system calls and signals Man page: In the simplest case strace runs the specified command until it exits. It intercepts and records the system calls which are called by a process and the signals which are received by a process. Does anyone know if there is an equivalent tool which I can setup as to keep trace of system calls and signals? Thanks in advance I appreciate any help. Bye Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 27 7:46: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA7C14A2F for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 07:46:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ust@cert.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: ust@cert.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from mail1.siemens.de (mail1.siemens.de [139.23.33.14]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08827; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:46:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mars.cert.siemens.de (ust.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.201.17]) by mail1.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04679; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:46:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alaska.cert.siemens.de (alaska.cert.siemens.de [139.23.202.134]) by mars.cert.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/Siemens CERT [ $Revision: 1.9 ]) with ESMTP id QAA75001; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:46:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ust@localhost) by alaska.cert.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/alaska [ $Revision: 1.2 ]) id OAA84954; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:46:21 GMT (envelope-from ust) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:46:20 +0200 From: Udo Schweigert To: "A. Satow" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Looking for a tool: strace in Linux Message-ID: <19990927164620.A84801@alaska.cert.siemens.de> References: <19990927151933.B43018@toba.rhein-neckar.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <19990927151933.B43018@toba.rhein-neckar.de> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Sep 27, 1999 at 03:19:34PM +0200, A. Satow wrote: > Hi, > > I am switching my box from Linux to FreeBSD. I browsed through the ports > collection but did not find a tool called strace in Linux it traces > system calls and signals > Man page: > In the simplest case strace runs the specified command > until it exits. It intercepts and records the system > calls which are called by a process and the signals which > are received by a process. > Does anyone know if there is an equivalent tool which I can setup as to keep > trace of system calls and signals? > Try truss(1) Regards ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Udo Schweigert || Voice : +49 89 636 42170 Siemens AG, Siemens CERT || Fax : +49 89 636 41166 ZT IK 3 || email : Udo.Schweigert@mchp.siemens.de D-81730 Muenchen / Germany || : ust@cert.siemens.de PGP fingerprint || 2A 53 F6 A6 30 59 64 02 6B C4 E0 73 B2 C9 6C E7 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 27 7:54:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB66715368 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 07:54:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA26790; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:54:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:54:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: "A. Satow" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Looking for a tool: strace in Linux In-Reply-To: <19990927151933.B43018@toba.rhein-neckar.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You'll probably want to take a look at ktrace(1) and kdump(1). They are both part of the base distribution. On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, A. Satow wrote: # Hi, # # I am switching my box from Linux to FreeBSD. I browsed through the ports # collection but did not find a tool called strace in Linux it traces # system calls and signals # Man page: # In the simplest case strace runs the specified command # until it exits. It intercepts and records the system # calls which are called by a process and the signals which # are received by a process. # Does anyone know if there is an equivalent tool which I can setup as to keep # trace of system calls and signals? # # Thanks in advance # I appreciate any help. # # Bye Alex # # # To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org # with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message # To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 27 9:41:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from indiasrv.india.aspectdv.com (indiasrv.india.aspectdv.com [38.230.8.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 253FE14D29 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:37:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spock@india.com) Received: from eterna.india.aspectdv.com by indiasrv.india.aspectdv.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #15) id m11VeU5-0005zsC; Mon, 27 Sep 99 12:22 . Message-ID: <00ff01bf08b4$f74b35a0$cf09e626@india.aspectdv.com> Reply-To: "Spock" From: "Spock" To: Subject: doubt? Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:23:11 +0530 Organization: Volcan Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I want to migrate frm linux to FreeBSD and have some enquiries regarding freeBSD please help me? 1. Can I use the freebsd as a work station or desktop?, and will I get the applications which are there in linux, in BSD? i mean will I get c compilers, window managers, Multimedia ..etc in free BSD 2. Can I download freeBSD cd image frm u r site and burn it into the CD and use it for installation 3. Will that Cd image contains utils/applications along with the base operating system? thanks in advance --spck To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 27 9:53:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cepheus.azstarnet.com (cepheus.azstarnet.com [169.197.56.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A41D14F94 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:53:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbcorey@azstarnet.com) Received: from dialup03ip083 (dialup03ip083.tus.azstarnet.com [169.197.31.83]) by cepheus.azstarnet.com (8.9.3+blt.Beta0/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13795; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:53:26 -0700 (MST) X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ From: Scott Corey Reply-To: sbcorey@azstarnet.com To: "Spock" , "Spock" , Subject: Re: doubt? Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:01:41 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: <00ff01bf08b4$f74b35a0$cf09e626@india.aspectdv.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99092710032702.83292@dialup03ip083> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 26 Sep 1999, Spock wrote: > Hello, > > I want to migrate frm linux to FreeBSD and have some enquiries > regarding freeBSD please help me? > > 1. Can I use the freebsd as a work station or desktop?, > and will I get the applications which are there in linux, in BSD? i mean > will I get c compilers, window managers, Multimedia ..etc in free BSD > Yes > 2. Can I download freeBSD cd image frm u r site and burn it into the CD > and use it for installation > Yes > 3. Will that Cd image contains utils/applications along with the base > operating system? > Yes, maybe, however there is a way to be able to get the ports over the internet. > thanks in advance > > --spck > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 27 15:14:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6F715618 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:14:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org) Received: from [212.126.149.130] (helo=cream.org) by scrabble.freeuk.net with esmtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 11Vj1x-0001HV-00; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:13:58 +0000 Content-Length: 1202 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <99092710032702.83292@dialup03ip083> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:13:55 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Boothman To: Scott Corey Subject: Re: doubt? Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, Spock Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 27-Sep-99 Scott Corey wrote: >> 2. Can I download freeBSD cd image frm u r site and burn it into the CD >> and use it for installation >> > Yes The ISO image is available from ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ and also most mirrors. >> 3. Will that Cd image contains utils/applications along with the base >> operating system? >> > Yes, maybe, however there is a way to be able to get the ports over the > internet. Actually, No. Jordan Hubbard, the FreeBSD release manager, only made the first CD of the four CD set available for download as an ISO image. The first CD contains everything you need to install FreeBSD, and the ports skeletons (which will help you to install extra applications later). The applications themselves, however, aren't included. You can easily get these applications over the Internet however, and this is documented in the FreeBSD handbook on www.freebsd.org/handbook/ If you pay for your internet connection, I would very strongly recommend the full 4-disc FreeBSD CD Set as available from www.freebsdmall.com Hope this helped! --- Andrew Boothman FreeBSD UK User Group http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/~andrew/ http://ukug.uk.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 27 17: 2:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from staff.cs.usyd.edu.au (staff.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 23C1D14E60 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:02:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhenry@pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au) Subject: Re: doubt? To: spock@india.com Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:01:57 +1000 (EST) From: "Michael Henry" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <00ff01bf08b4$f74b35a0$cf09e626@india.aspectdv.com> from "Spock" at Sep 27, 99 12:23:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 526 Message-Id: <19990928000212.23C1D14E60@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I want to migrate frm linux to FreeBSD and have some enquiries > regarding freeBSD please help me? > > 1. Can I use the freebsd as a work station or desktop?, > and will I get the applications which are there in linux, in BSD? i mean > will I get c compilers, window managers, Multimedia ..etc in free BSD Yes. > 2. Can I download freeBSD cd image frm u r site and burn it into the CD > and use it for installation Yes. > 3. Will that Cd image contains utils/applications along with the base > operating system? Yes. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Sep 27 17:17:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from staff.cs.usyd.edu.au (staff.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7755156B9 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:17:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhenry@pgrad.cs.usyd.edu.au) Subject: Re: doubt? To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:17:01 +1000 (EST) From: "Michael Henry" In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Boothman" at Sep 27, 99 11:13:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 319 Message-Id: <19990928001710.C7755156B9@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> 3. Will that Cd image contains utils/applications along with the base > >> operating system? > >> > > Yes, maybe, however there is a way to be able to get the ports over the > > internet. > > Actually, No. The first CD does contain some of the more popular packages. (ie. shells, netscape, window managers). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 28 1:22:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf24.de (mail.surf24.de [212.62.192.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7012E154BD for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 01:22:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de) Received: from duffner.surf24.de (surf241.surf24.de [212.62.193.241]) by mail.surf24.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA10738; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:21:54 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:38:16 +0200 (MESZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: doubt? To: Scott Corey Cc: Spock , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <99092710032702.83292@dialup03ip083> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon 27 Sep, Scott Corey wrote: > On Sun, 26 Sep 1999, Spock wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I want to migrate frm linux to FreeBSD and have some enquiries > > regarding freeBSD please help me? > > > > 1. Can I use the freebsd as a work station or desktop?, > > and will I get the applications which are there in linux, in BSD? i mean > > will I get c compilers, window managers, Multimedia ..etc in free BSD > > > Yes I'd say 99%. I don't know, if the latest and greatest 3d-stuff is ported already. (I don't care, I don't have a 3d-card) As FreeBSD is a bit more server-oriented, the developers may have their concerns on other areas first. > > 2. Can I download freeBSD cd image frm u r site and burn it into the CD > > and use it for installation > > > Yes If you download (and use) an ISO-image, you might go to http://www.freebsdmall.com and make a donation. > > 3. Will that Cd image contains utils/applications along with the base > > operating system? > > Maybe. But you can get any application from the internet anyway, either via pre-compiled packages, or via the ports-mechanism. Use one of the mirrors that is closest to you (check with traceroute). cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 28 8:39:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from syru205-140.syr.edu (syru205-140.syr.edu [128.230.205.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D3E1536D for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 08:39:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rhavyn@syru205-140.syr.edu) Received: (from rhavyn@localhost) by syru205-140.syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02936 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:37:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 11:37:16 -0400 From: Chris Conrad To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Some problems with FreeBSD from a newbie Message-ID: <19990928113716.A2893@syru205-140.syr.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just recently installed FreeBSD and have been playing with it and slowly getting what I want to work. There are a few things I can't seem to figure out though. 1. I have an OPL-SAx sound chip. Does FreeBSD have support for this chip, or do I need to used the open sound drivers? 2. Eterm gives this message (sometimes, under KDE it usually works fine) when using certain commands: load: 1.29 cmd: su 94460 [ttyin] 0.00u 0.00s 0% 584k After that, Eterm just hangs. Is this something that happens with Eterm on FreeBSD? 3 & 4. These 2 kinda go together. Often times when using the GNOME with enlightenment, enlightenment just won't start using the GNOME's session management. I have never experienced this problem before (I've used the GNOME with e under just about every Linux distribution). After fiddling for a while I can usually get e to start, but the next time I log into X, e may or may not start again. The second part of the question is when e does start, it gives me a message telling me to turn on Shared Memory for Imlib for faster performance. I've checked both my imlib config file and the master file for the system and both of them have it turned on. It wouldn't be a problem, but e seems to hang for several seconds before displaying the message. Is this just something that X under FreeBSD doesn't support? Thanks in advance, Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 28 9: 0:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f210.hotmail.com [207.82.251.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EC76F14F4C for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:00:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from the_hermit665@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 69323 invoked by uid 0); 28 Sep 1999 16:00:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19990928160026.69322.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.160.92.51 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:00:25 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.160.92.51] Reply-To: the_hermit665@hotmail.com From: "Cosmic 665" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: DHCP + DSL + remote install Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 09:00:25 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello; I'm trying to install FreeBSD 3.3 via the interenet using DSL + DHCP. FreeBSD doesn't seem to wanna interact with MY CISCO's DHCP Server (Neither Does Dead-Rat/Red-Hat linux 6.0). I've tried on both boxes & platforms setting up DHCP and none of them worked (DID't get it to work under linux... like that matters :P). Still, Freebsd 3.2 works fine using the command from a shell "dhclient" after setting up a few bpf's in the kernel (B-O-O-M!!... internet.. FaSt!!!!). What is the deal with 3.3 and or RHS 6.0???? (does the stupid DSL modem need an extra command???) -Cosmic-665 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 28 12:15:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gate.bull.se (bull.se [193.44.17.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D3914F9D for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:15:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mar@bull.se) Received: from bull.se (eq08.bull.se [129.181.241.108]) by gate.bull.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA36840 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:18:08 +0200 Received: from pcmarmob ([129.181.243.236]) by bull.se (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA11096 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:17:49 +0200 Reply-To: From: "mark rowlands" To: Subject: unable to install local package : package does not seem to exist on installation media Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:15:04 +0200 Message-ID: <000101bf09e5$c642f1a0$ecf3b581@bull.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doing an install from the 3.3 CD, the above message occurs and all subseqent package installations fail. with various messages about stuff in /usr/local/libxxxx. Any words of wisdom. I have successfully installed 3.2 at home without this problem! Mark - currently ftping the contents of his home machines /usr/local in the hopelessly optimistic ambition that this will fix the problem. Rowlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 28 16:41:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.kersur.net (mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFD214E93 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 16:41:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bcohen@bpecreative.com) Received: from mojomatic (nas-46-234.boston.navinet.net [216.67.46.234]) by mail.kersur.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA12262 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Bob Cohen" To: "Free-BSD Newbies Mailing List" Subject: FreeBSD & Y2k Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:37:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bf0a0a$74c76ac0$dfdfdfdf@mojomatic> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've got 3.3 in my hot little hands and am wondering whether I need to deal with the fact that my bios is not y2k compliant? Bob Cohen b.p.e.Creative Web Design and Production P.O. Box 192 508.384.6054 Sheldonville, MA 02093 bcohen@bpecreative.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 28 19: 5:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7761579E for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:05:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id WAA21287; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:05:08 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts001d42.mer-id.concentric.net (ts001d42.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.54]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id WAA06673; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:03:51 -0600 (MDT) From: mlduke To: Bob Cohen Cc: Free-BSD Newbies Mailing List Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Y2k In-Reply-To: <000001bf0a0a$74c76ac0$dfdfdfdf@mojomatic> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, Bob Cohen wrote: > I've got 3.3 in my hot little hands and am wondering whether > I need to deal with the fact that my bios is not y2k > compliant? My Unix Mentor tells me FBSD doesn't care about the bios. But I wouldn't take that as an absolute. As a precaution, if you put a dos partition on the drive, go to RightTime.com, their free (non-commercial, private only) fix will most likely solve the bios thing. Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Sep 28 22:28:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from socrates.entelchile.net (socrates.entelchile.net [206.137.97.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53E014EF8 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:28:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from openbsd@altavista.net) Received: from altavista.net ([206.84.69.171]) by socrates.entelchile.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:27:25 -0400 Message-ID: <37F1A0E6.EBAE7468@altavista.net> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:17:27 -0400 From: Rodrigo De la Vega X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: es-ES MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 29 4:18:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gate.bull.se (bull.se [193.44.17.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7EF014DA4 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:18:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mar@bull.se) Received: from bull.se (eq08.bull.se [129.181.241.108]) by gate.bull.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA35020; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:21:28 +0200 Received: from pcmarmob ([129.181.243.236]) by bull.se (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA08860; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:21:08 +0200 Reply-To: From: "mark rowlands" To: Cc: Subject: RE: unable to install local package : package does not seem to exist on installation media Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:18:20 +0200 Message-ID: <001201bf0a6c$56aeb860$ecf3b581@bull.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001d01bf09f4$909705f0$a600a8c0@visualedge.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org it's ok, I've always been to dumb to work out when my intelligence is being insulted :-) Yes it is the first CD, I have tried two installs, 1) Full install, all binaries all source code 2) minimum install - to find out where was the naughty bit I have repeated this with a freshly downloaded iso - unpacked to a dos partition (to rule out any corruption in the burn process, I also tried a make world ( just for fun) 3.5 hours of fun. every port I have tried so far fails to install because /usr/local is empty with unable to open /usr/local/lib/ldconfig or /usr/local/libexec.... type errors when you run /stand/sysinstall - and take the post config option and install additional distribution sets e.g bin compat docs etc there is an option to install "local" - this fails with a "this does not exist on your distribution media" -----Original Message----- From: Martin Mactaggart [mailto:martinm@visualedge.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 11:01 PM To: mar@bull.se Subject: Re: unable to install local package : package does not seem to exist on installation media Which package causes the breakdown? At the risk of insulting your intelligence (I don't have any idea if you have PhD in computing or in Social Science :) are you sure you have the right CD in the drive? FreeBSD is a 4 CD set, so if you DL'd the ISO by FTP, go easy on the packages... You'll have to install a relitively minimal (well, not THAT minimal) system and then download the packages you want manually (well, not that manually) from the net. ----- Original Message ----- From: mark rowlands To: Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 3:15 PM Subject: unable to install local package : package does not seem to exist on installation media Doing an install from the 3.3 CD, the above message occurs and all subseqent package installations fail. with various messages about stuff in /usr/local/libxxxx. Any words of wisdom. I have successfully installed 3.2 at home without this problem! Mark - currently ftping the contents of his home machines /usr/local in the hopelessly optimistic ambition that this will fix the problem. Rowlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 29 7:45: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.visualedge.com (visualedge.com [207.139.24.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 183E8151A2; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:45:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from martinm@visualedge.com) Received: from pony by vedge with SMTP (8.6.11/) id KAA08011; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:42:18 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bf0a89$5d702090$a600a8c0@visualedge.com> From: "Martin Mactaggart" To: , Subject: Re: unable to install local package : package does not seem to exist on installation media Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:46:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Could someone from questions-freebsd possibly give him a more useful answer? (original text is below) Well, I'm no FreeBSD guru (hence my being here @ newbies :) but I can tell that I am almost sure /usr/local being empty is a very bad thing... There is. however, I am quite sure, a way to install FreeBSD with just the first CD... I would try asking for help in freebsd-questions@freebsd.org where all the smart people hang out. While I am not sure if you have any packages/ports on the first CD (you don't need them to get up and running, which is the sole point of CD 1), you're right that not having ld.so or libexec makes you FUBAR. As for stand/sysintall to install packages, I don't think that's gonna work without the other CD's... to install packages you should go to freebsd.org and download the "ports collection". extract this (using "tar -xzvf filename.tar.gz") and you will find you have a large directory structure that mimicks the directory structure in freebsd.org's ports section. To install the port you want change to it's directory (eg: Netscape4 --> cd /usr/local/ports/FreeBSD/WWW/netscape4 or something like that) and type "make; make install; make clean". I think you can install "the ports collection" from the first CD though.... I might be able to help more if I were at home where the FreeBSD is. ----- Original Message ----- From: mark rowlands To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 7:18 AM Subject: RE: unable to install local package : package does not seem to exist on installation media it's ok, I've always been to dumb to work out when my intelligence is being insulted :-) Yes it is the first CD, I have tried two installs, 1) Full install, all binaries all source code 2) minimum install - to find out where was the naughty bit I have repeated this with a freshly downloaded iso - unpacked to a dos partition (to rule out any corruption in the burn process, I also tried a make world ( just for fun) 3.5 hours of fun. every port I have tried so far fails to install because /usr/local is empty with unable to open /usr/local/lib/ldconfig or /usr/local/libexec.... type errors when you run /stand/sysinstall - and take the post config option and install additional distribution sets e.g bin compat docs etc there is an option to install "local" - this fails with a "this does not exist on your distribution media" -----Original Message----- From: Martin Mactaggart [mailto:martinm@visualedge.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 11:01 PM To: mar@bull.se Subject: Re: unable to install local package : package does not seem to exist on installation media Which package causes the breakdown? At the risk of insulting your intelligence (I don't have any idea if you have PhD in computing or in Social Science :) are you sure you have the right CD in the drive? FreeBSD is a 4 CD set, so if you DL'd the ISO by FTP, go easy on the packages... You'll have to install a relitively minimal (well, not THAT minimal) system and then download the packages you want manually (well, not that manually) from the net. ----- Original Message ----- From: mark rowlands To: Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 3:15 PM Subject: unable to install local package : package does not seem to exist on installation media Doing an install from the 3.3 CD, the above message occurs and all subseqent package installations fail. with various messages about stuff in /usr/local/libxxxx. Any words of wisdom. I have successfully installed 3.2 at home without this problem! Mark - currently ftping the contents of his home machines /usr/local in the hopelessly optimistic ambition that this will fix the problem. Rowlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 29 9:25:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C7D61559A for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:25:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA00728; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:25:50 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts003d43.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d43.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.151]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA06672; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:24:31 -0600 (MDT) From: mlduke To: Martin Mactaggart Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: unable to install local package : package does not seem to exist on installation media In-Reply-To: <001101bf0a89$5d702090$a600a8c0@visualedge.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Well, I'm no FreeBSD guru (hence my being here @ newbies :) but I can > tell that I am almost sure /usr/local being empty is a very bad thing... You made my day with the above. Thanks. ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 29 11:48:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailmtx.acnet.net (mailmtx.acnet.net [170.76.16.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C06C15145 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:47:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luis@tonala.com.mx) Received: from tonala.com.mx ([167.114.24.94]) by mailmtx.acnet.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52476U50000L50000S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:47:43 -0500 Message-ID: <37F26CB3.8C9DBAFC@tonala.com.mx> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:47:00 -0600 From: Jose Luis Martinez Lopez X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [es] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Saludos desde Mexico Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Saben tengo a mi cargo un server en FreeBsd pero se que me falta bastante por que tengo conocieminetos pero en Unix es aprecido pero quisiera saber mas Gracias.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 29 12:28:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32259159C2 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:27:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-51-warw.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.51]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA16015 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:39:55 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <001601bf0a4c$62a47300$332137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: "Free-BSD Newbies Mailing List" References: <000001bf0a0a$74c76ac0$dfdfdfdf@mojomatic> Subject: Re: FreeBSD & Y2k Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:29:34 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you are using it on a network, or connecting to the internet on boot, set it up to get the date/time from either the network server (if it is compliant), or from any of the time service sites on the internet. I guess I'll be able to answer better on 1 Jan 2000, as I now have a couple of older 486 boxes running BSD. ;-)) Regards Igor Difference between computers & air-conditioners? Not much, neither work well when you open windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Cohen To: Free-BSD Newbies Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 9:37 AM Subject: FreeBSD & Y2k > I've got 3.3 in my hot little hands and am wondering whether > I need to deal with the fact that my bios is not y2k > compliant? > > Bob Cohen > > b.p.e.Creative Web Design and Production > P.O. Box 192 508.384.6054 > Sheldonville, MA 02093 bcohen@bpecreative.com > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Sep 29 16: 3: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net [204.147.80.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A51CF14E0C for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:02:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nitebirdz@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 97658 invoked by uid 0); 29 Sep 1999 23:02:31 -0000 Received: from coimbra.oss.uswest.net (209.180.20.7) by mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 29 Sep 1999 23:02:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:03:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Nitebirz X-Sender: nitebirdz@coimbra.oss.uswest.net To: Rainer M Duffner Cc: Scott Corey , Spock , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: doubt? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, Rainer M Duffner wrote: > On Mon 27 Sep, Scott Corey wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Sep 1999, Spock wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I want to migrate frm linux to FreeBSD and have some enquiries > > > regarding freeBSD please help me? > > > > > > 1. Can I use the freebsd as a work station or desktop?, > > > and will I get the applications which are there in linux, in BSD? i mean > > > will I get c compilers, window managers, Multimedia ..etc in free BSD > > > > > Yes > > I'd say 99%. > I don't know, if the latest and greatest 3d-stuff is ported already. > (I don't care, I don't have a 3d-card) > As FreeBSD is a bit more server-oriented, the developers may have their > concerns on other areas first. I would like to stress this part: "as FreeBSD is a bit more server-oriented". Many programs that are available for Linux are not ported to FreeBSD. Yes, you can run the Linux emulator but still in many cases you have to struggle quite a bit to get the program to work. Also, if the application uses Linux's /proc, then it will not even run in FreeBSD. Finally, no offense here, but there is much more documentation and support for Linux in general. If you need to run a desktop computer, I'd recommend Linux over FreeBSD. On the other hand, for a server I truly think that both work pretty much the same although BSD may have an advantage when it comes to performance, especially network-related performance. > > > > 2. Can I download freeBSD cd image frm u r site and burn it into the CD > > > and use it for installation > > > > > Yes > > If you download (and use) an ISO-image, you might go to > http://www.freebsdmall.com and make a donation. > > > > 3. Will that Cd image contains utils/applications along with the base > > > operating system? > > > > > Maybe. But you can get any application from the internet anyway, either > via pre-compiled packages, or via the ports-mechanism. > Use one of the mirrors that is closest to you (check with traceroute). > > > cheers, > Rainer > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | > | & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | > |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | > |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | > | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > Nitebirdz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 30 2:11: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf24.de (mail.surf24.de [212.62.192.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8CA414F3E for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:10:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de) Received: from duffner.surf24.de (surf234.surf24.de [212.62.193.234]) by mail.surf24.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA25592; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:10:50 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:04:04 +0200 (MESZ) From: Rainer M Duffner Subject: Re: doubt? To: Nitebirz Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: enigma, http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~enigma X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu 30 Sep, Nitebirz wrote: > I would like to stress this part: "as FreeBSD is a bit more > server-oriented". Many programs that are available for Linux are not > ported to FreeBSD. You should say "commercial programs". ("dot-com-Office"). As the Linux-guys are mostly GPL-freaks, almost everything is available in source-form and so should compile under FreeBSD almost seamlessly. > Yes, you can run the Linux emulator but still in many > cases you have to struggle quite a bit to get the program to work. Also, > if the application uses Linux's /proc, then it will not even run in > FreeBSD. > > Finally, no offense here, but there is much more documentation and support > for Linux in general. Perhaps, yes. There's more to dig into. But how many of the how-to's are really usefull ? How many deal with current problems ? And besides, a lot of the linux-docs can be used for FreeBSD just as good. E.g: Setting up named on either system is more or less identical. > If you need to run a desktop computer, I'd recommend Linux over FreeBSD. Perhaps, yes. But only if you're interested in the mutlimedia-gizmos and things that are available in some distros. I wouldn't really recommend Linux over FreeBSD. Only over NT ;-) > On the other hand, for a server I truly > think that both work pretty much the same I don't think this is really the case. More knowledgeable people could certainly underline that. FreeBSD is developed as a whole operating system, where all parts are meant to work together seamlessly. For Linux, the distributor picks some 30 or 50 core-packages that form "the OS" and hopes that they all run together nicely, together with an additional 500-800 application-packages. The packages are all developed individually, by individual people with individual goals, directions and individual coding-standards. Now think about auditing/testing/reviewing such code. A nightmare. And that's just the reason why we had more or less a dozen new local and remote r00t-exploits in the shiny new Linux-distributions from Redhat, SuSE and the likes in the last two or three weeks alone. Not a big deal if you're on the net by your phone lines, but more and more people get xSL or are on a campus network. The number of people with 24x7 net-access will increase. > although BSD may have an advantage when it comes to performance, > especially network-related performance. Also the ability to migrate to newer versions easily is important for a server. At my last job, the sys-admin talked about a former job at the stock-exchange where they had a server (Tandem, IIRC) that had an uptime of seven years. And just think about the 2GB file-size limit of Linux. This one really sucks, even for a workstation. cheers, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@surf24.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 30 11:58:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.kersur.net (mail.kersur.net [199.79.199.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4556C14FC8 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:57:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bcohen@bpecreative.com) Received: from mojomatic (nas-1-64.boston.navinet.net [216.67.1.64]) by mail.kersur.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA00976 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Bob Cohen" To: "Free-BSD Newbies Mailing List" Subject: cd-rom won't work, book & web site unhelpful Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:53:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bf0b75$23a6b3f0$dfdfdfdf@mojomatic> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know this isn't the forum for questions but I have tried subscribing to the questions mailing list and can't tell whether it's taken. Everytime I send in the authorization I get a set of mail that consists of Majordomo results and Confirmation for subscribe . . . . Anyhow: I just bought the 3.3 release and can't complete the installation because BSD won't recognize my CD-ROM. I've got a Pentium system w/PCI, scsi hard disk, network card, us robotics modem, and sound card. The CD-ROM is connected to the bus via an OEM sound card configured as a SB16. The vanilla kernel doesn't work nor does reconfiguring the kernel by hand by changing the IRQ and port to match the settings reported to me by the Win95 System Resources Report. I've also tried using the IRQ and port for the sound card. Neither works. Any guidance would be appreciated. Would a DOS installation make more sense? I'd hate to lose the CD-ROM capability. Thanks. Bob Cohen b.p.e.Creative Web Design and Production P.O. Box 192 508.384.6054 Sheldonville, MA 02093 bcohen@bpecreative.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Sep 30 13:14:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC25159FE for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:14:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Received: from igor (modem-51-warw.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.51]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA04326 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 06:27:23 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from donh@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <001401bf0b1c$2272c540$332137cb@igor> From: "Don Hansford" To: "Free-BSD Newbies Mailing List" References: <000201bf0b75$23a6b3f0$dfdfdfdf@mojomatic> Subject: Re: cd-rom won't work, book & web site unhelpful Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:16:42 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Connecting CDROMs via the sound card went out with button-up boots! Unless it is an old 1x or 2x drive with a proprietary interface, try hooking it into the IDE bus (set it as a slave, first). Otherwise, you have to enable the sound card before you can enable the CDROM. Regards Igor Difference between computers & air-conditioners? Not much, neither work well when you open windows! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Cohen To: Free-BSD Newbies Mailing List Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 4:53 AM Subject: cd-rom won't work, book & web site unhelpful > I know this isn't the forum for questions but I have tried > subscribing to the questions mailing list and can't tell > whether it's taken. Everytime I send in the authorization I > get a set of mail that consists of Majordomo results and > Confirmation for subscribe . . . . > > Anyhow: > > I just bought the 3.3 release and can't complete the > installation because BSD won't recognize my CD-ROM. I've > got a Pentium system w/PCI, scsi hard disk, network card, us > robotics modem, and sound card. > > The CD-ROM is connected to the bus via an OEM sound card > configured as a SB16. The vanilla kernel doesn't work nor > does reconfiguring the kernel by hand by changing the IRQ > and port to match the settings reported to me by the Win95 > System Resources Report. I've also tried using the IRQ and > port for the sound card. Neither works. Any guidance would > be appreciated. Would a DOS installation make more sense? > I'd hate to lose the CD-ROM capability. Thanks. > > Bob Cohen > > b.p.e.Creative Web Design and Production > P.O. Box 192 508.384.6054 > Sheldonville, MA 02093 bcohen@bpecreative.com > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 1 19:30:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF2D14D17 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:30:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01708 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 12:30:07 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 12:30:07 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <199910020230.MAA01708@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Oct 1 23:28:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from staff.cs.usyd.edu.au (staff.cs.usyd.edu.au [129.78.8.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C6FD015099 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:28:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mhenry@hons.cs.usyd.edu.au) Subject: October Daemonnews is out! To: bugs@bugs.au.freebsd.org (BSD User Group), freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:27:59 +1000 (EST) From: "Michael Henry" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 188 Message-Id: <19991002062805.C6FD015099@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As the subject says, the October issue of Daemonnews is out. This issue has a great new format (a *huge* improvement), but the "Newbies' corner" column is conspicuous by its absence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message