From owner-freebsd-platforms Tue Aug 31 21:32:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Received: from dnvrpop1.dnvr.uswest.net (dnvrpop1.dnvr.uswest.net [206.196.128.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A710A14CB5 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:32:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sitongia@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 20617 invoked by alias); 1 Sep 1999 04:31:58 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 19191 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 1999 04:30:48 -0000 Received: from jdialup197.dnvr.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (209.180.240.197) by dnvrpop1.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 1 Sep 1999 04:30:48 -0000 Message-ID: <37CC9022.B3775831@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:32:02 -0400 From: Leonard Sitongia Organization: At Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.6-15apmac ppc) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Subject: PowerPC Platforms Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm interested in FreeBSD on PowerPC, especially on Apple. Is anyone working on this? I know about NetBSD's work. I'm interested in FreeBSD. FreeBSD is going on Alpha. How about PowerPC? The PowerPC chip line is hot. Take a look at the new G4 from Apple (www.apple.com), with reportedly 1GFLOP sustained, vector processing (SIMD) instructions, etc. It looks like a really nice processor to me. I've run Linux on Apple PowerPC for some time, but I always longingly return to my interest in BSD, for reasons on my own experience (starting with 4.2BSD on VAX). Sure, we all know the story about how USL encumbered the freedom of BSD, launching Linux on it's way. Waxing even more generally here, into advocacy, I wonder how BSD should/can/will distinguish itself from Linux (I think it should)? I think the areas of interest are: SMP, cluster computing, high-performance computing. Embedded processors is another interesting area, worthy of work. So how about work on Apple PowerPC and the G4? Thanks for your time, -- --- Leonard Sitongia sitongia@uswest.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-platforms" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-platforms Tue Aug 31 21:38:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A8514C4C for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:38:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA85304; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:38:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:38:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: Leonard Sitongia Cc: freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PowerPC Platforms In-Reply-To: <37CC9022.B3775831@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Leonard Sitongia wrote: > I'm interested in FreeBSD on PowerPC, especially on Apple. > > Is anyone working on this? Never heard anything at all on this. The only real port at this time is the Alpha (besides our flagship Intel support). There has been work done towards some other ports, like sparc, but nothing has yet come of those. Never heard a single word about the PowerPC. > > I know about NetBSD's work. I'm interested in FreeBSD. FreeBSD > is going on Alpha. How about PowerPC? > > The PowerPC chip line is hot. Take a look at the new G4 from > Apple (www.apple.com), with reportedly 1GFLOP sustained, vector > processing (SIMD) instructions, etc. It looks like a really nice > processor to me. Hasn't got anything to do with it, what controls is how many programmers have enough interest to really support it. > > I've run Linux on Apple PowerPC for some time, but I always > longingly return to my interest in BSD, for reasons on my > own experience (starting with 4.2BSD on VAX). Sure, we all > know the story about how USL encumbered the freedom of BSD, > launching Linux on it's way. > > Waxing even more generally here, into advocacy, I wonder how > BSD should/can/will distinguish itself from Linux (I think it > should)? There are major differences, but this is flamebait, and I don't think you'll find many here willing to indulge in that. If you want to explore the differences, look at the handbook, available from www.freebsd.org. I think the areas of interest are: SMP, cluster > computing, high-performance computing. Embedded processors > is another interesting area, worthy of work. > > So how about work on Apple PowerPC and the G4? > > Thanks for your time, > -- > --- > Leonard Sitongia > sitongia@uswest.net > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-platforms" in the body of the message > ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@picnic.mat.net | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 213 Lakeside Drive Apt T-1 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD/i386 (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD/Alpha ---------------------------+----------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-platforms" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Sep 1 8: 5:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.ham.muohio.edu (dragon.ham.muohio.edu [134.53.141.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176F015557 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 08:05:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by dragon.ham.muohio.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30544; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:33:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: dragon.ham.muohio.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 10:33:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Howard X-Sender: howardjp@dragon.ham.muohio.edu To: Chuck Robey Cc: Leonard Sitongia , freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PowerPC Platforms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 1 Sep 1999, Chuck Robey wrote: > Never heard anything at all on this. The only real port at this time is > the Alpha (besides our flagship Intel support). There has been work > done towards some other ports, like sparc, but nothing has yet come of > those. Never heard a single word about the PowerPC. A friend of mine mine REALLY wants FreeBSD running on PowerMacs and to this end he gave me a Power computing 1300 to see how far I could get. It is sitting in the corner right now (it arrived two days ago). If anyone is interesting in starting a ppc port, I'd be more than happy to help out. Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-platforms" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Sep 1 15:22: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Received: from rzsrv2.rz.tu-bs.de (rzsrv2.rz.tu-bs.de [134.169.9.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D9314E67 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:21:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from y0002257@rzsrv2.rz.tu-bs.de) Received: (from y0002257@localhost) by rzsrv2.rz.tu-bs.de (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) id AAA25942 for freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:20:13 +0200 (METDST) From: Sven Brandenburg Message-Id: <199909012220.AAA25942@rzsrv2.rz.tu-bs.de> Subject: Re: PowerPC Platforms To: freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:20:13 +0100 (METDST) Reply-To: S.Brandenburg@tu-bs.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL11] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > If anyone is interesting in starting a ppc port, > I'd be more than happy to help out. Me too! :-) Is there any chance that we can find enough people interested in having a ppc version to start a port? How many are necessary? How many are working on the alpha port? Sven ----snip---- If we offend, it is with our good will. That you should think, we come not to offend, But with good will. To show our simple skill, That is the true beginning of our end. Consider then, we come but in despite. We do not come, as minding to content you, Our true content is. All for your delight, We are not here. That you should here repent you, The actors are at hand; and by their show, You shall know all, that you are like to know. A Midsummer Night's Dream, William Shakespeare 1596 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-platforms" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-platforms Wed Sep 1 17:34:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Received: from green.carrel.org (green.carrel.org [208.1.125.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 333BC155D3 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:33:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cysgod@mail.carrel.org) Received: (qmail 29474 invoked by uid 1000); 2 Sep 1999 00:32:50 -0000 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:32:50 -0700 (PDT) From: William Carrel X-Sender: cysgod@green.carrel.org To: freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PowerPC Platforms In-Reply-To: <199909012220.AAA25942@rzsrv2.rz.tu-bs.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It is my understanding that a port to macppc already has an assigned leader, or so I was told on EFNet/#freebsd. The contact I was given was Cameron Grant . The porting effort is just getting underway. Working on the G3's and other PCI Mac's would be a bit better idea than leaping into the G4's right away. Especially since I'm sure 'gcc's support for SIMD on PowerPC isn't exactly up to speed yet. I'm quite interested in helping on this project, and will be doing driver work on NetBSD/macppc in the meantime, in the hope that it will be portable over to Free, later once things take off. - William Carrel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-platforms" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-platforms Thu Sep 2 9:38: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Received: from dvalley.demon.co.uk (dvalley.demon.co.uk [158.152.155.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4149D14C4A for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 09:37:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dvalley.demon.co.uk) Received: from localhost (freebsd@localhost) by dvalley.demon.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA21224; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:38:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dvalley.demon.co.uk) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:38:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Bampton To: Leonard Sitongia Cc: freebsd-platforms@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PowerPC Platforms In-Reply-To: <37CC9022.B3775831@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-platforms@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Leonard Sitongia wrote: > computing, high-performance computing. Embedded processors > is another interesting area, worthy of work. I was looking into a port of FreeBSD to Motorola's ColdFire CPUs (MCF5206 mostly, the 5204 has a 4MB memory limit which was too small for my needs, and possibly FreeBSD also if theres no disk devices for swap). The reasons for the port was for some semi-embedded systems I was working on. In the end I decided it would be quicker to write my own OS with an emulation library for easy porting of Unix programs, the reasons behind this was mostly size and time related. There are a number of interesting processors out there designed specifically for embedded systems, and I would like to resume porting of FreeBSD to some of them. If anyone is interested in the project, please let me know! Regards, Tom. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-platforms" in the body of the message