From owner-freebsd-small Sun Oct 24 8:58:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from astart2.astart.com (astart2.astart.com [206.71.174.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B270414C9C for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 08:58:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from papowell@astart.com) Received: from h4.private (h4.private [10.0.0.4]) by astart2.astart.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA82326; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 08:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from papowell@localhost) by h4.private (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27938; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 08:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 08:56:28 -0700 (PDT) From: papowell@astart.com Message-Id: <199910241556.IAA27938@h4.private> To: mike@smith.net.au, papowell@astart.com Subject: Re: picobsd micro nat box Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG, kjc@csl.sony.co.jp, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From mike@dingo.cdrom.com Fri Oct 22 21:43:43 1999 > To: papowell@astart.com > cc: kjc@csl.sony.co.jp, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: picobsd micro nat box > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 21:37:13 -0700 > From: Mike Smith > > > > > FYI: WorldAxle, a small company in Japan, has announced PicoBSD based > > > > micro NAT products. > > > > > > this is mostly interesting. i need to get a couple to show during the > > > bridging/dummynet/picobsd talk! :) > > > > Yawn... I will post my 'NAT on a FLOPPY' demo product if there is interest... > > This is much more interesting, since the box is less than 6"x6"x3" > including mains power supply. > > Now, if there was just some English docco. 8) > Lets see... 1. Take one Lantronix, Emulex, Summix, Zimax, etc., print spooler box. These have 1 ethernet 10/100 mbps, 2 parallel port, 1 serial port interface. OK OK, these use a wall plug power supply. But the box I am looking at right now is 8inches wide, 1 inch high (thick), and 5 inches deep. 2. Add another ethernet controller. You can remove the parallel ports, or leave them there on the board and just not populate them. Only a cable header. 3. Update the kernel config file to include the second controller. 4. patch patch patch 3.1-Release... Ummm... Ahh... I mean 'update the software' to have the IPFilter Version X.Y code... make... install... compress kernel... make MFS... compress MFS... put into flash... test... Yep. 5. Add a simple 'IPNat' configuration section to the software. 6. Talk to marketing, etc etc etc I will not claim that the code changes are 'trivial' but if you are familiar with IPFilter then it takes about a day. The configuration and user interface is a bit more work. Ummm... the whole slamboodle, with IPNAt, and Print spooling, etc. etc. is about 982K, (compressed), uses about 8 Mbytes RAM. You can save the configuration in CMOS (Dallas makes some VERY interesting RTC, RAM chips just for this purpose). Patrick Powell Astart Technologies, papowell@astart.com 9475 Chesapeake Drive, Suite D, Network and System San Diego, CA 92123 Consulting 619-874-6543 FAX 619-279-8424 LPRng - Print Spooler (http://www.astart.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Oct 24 21:10:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from daedal.oneway.com (daedal.oneway.com [205.252.89.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3531519A for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:10:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jay@oneway.com) Received: from localhost (jay@localhost) by daedal.oneway.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA24049; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 00:07:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jay@oneway.com) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 00:07:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Jay Kuri To: "rjent@rjent.pair.com" Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can someone recommend small hardware?? In-Reply-To: <99101714250400.00724@isz.dev> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Don't know if someone already replied to this, but there are some great devices at www.cellcomputing.com. Very small (a little bigger than your average HD. (without the HD, of course) and they run FreeBSD... Jay On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, rjent@rjent.pair.com wrote: > Greetings, > > I have an application I would like to try to use picoBSD and I am not wanting > to use a regular sized pc. Hence I am wandering if someone could point me in > the right direction on a small box with mabye a serial connection and a netowrk > connection RJ45 so I could just telnet to it when I need to workon it. > > > Thanks! > > > > -- RJ Ent. -- http://www.rjent.pair.com > Had Enough GPF's from M$? > Try something stable: http://www.freebsd.org or http://www.redhat.com > Strong Supporter of Visual Tcl -- http://www.neuron.com/stewart/vtcl/ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - UNIX: because reboots are for hardware upgrades Jay Kuri jay@oneway.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Oct 24 21:18:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from noc.santacruz.org (noc.santacruz.org [209.133.111.168]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FF51519E for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:18:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from klynn@santacruz.org) Received: by noc.santacruz.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 2EFA1CD4C; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by noc.santacruz.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBEFCD4A; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:24:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin Lynn To: Jay Kuri Cc: "rjent@rjent.pair.com" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can someone recommend small hardware?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Cell computing is a tad expensive IMHO. Personally I'd try www.advantech.com On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Jay Kuri wrote: > > Don't know if someone already replied to this, but there are some great > devices at www.cellcomputing.com. Very small (a little bigger than your > average HD. (without the HD, of course) and they run FreeBSD... > > Jay > > On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, rjent@rjent.pair.com wrote: > > > Greetings, > > > > I have an application I would like to try to use picoBSD and I am not wanting > > to use a regular sized pc. Hence I am wandering if someone could point me in > > the right direction on a small box with mabye a serial connection and a netowrk > > connection RJ45 so I could just telnet to it when I need to workon it. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > -- RJ Ent. -- http://www.rjent.pair.com > > Had Enough GPF's from M$? > > Try something stable: http://www.freebsd.org or http://www.redhat.com > > Strong Supporter of Visual Tcl -- http://www.neuron.com/stewart/vtcl/ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > UNIX: because reboots are for hardware upgrades > > Jay Kuri jay@oneway.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Oct 24 21:39:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from daedal.oneway.com (daedal.oneway.com [205.252.89.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F59A151B7 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:39:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jay@oneway.com) Received: from localhost (jay@localhost) by daedal.oneway.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA24106; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 00:37:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jay@oneway.com) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 00:37:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Jay Kuri To: Kevin Lynn Cc: "rjent@rjent.pair.com" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can someone recommend small hardware?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ahh... Advantech does have some nice boards... the PCM-5862E-00A1 is nice for the price. I may just purchase one of these to play with. Thanks!! Jay On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Kevin Lynn wrote: > Cell computing is a tad expensive IMHO. > > Personally I'd try www.advantech.com > > On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Jay Kuri wrote: > > > > > Don't know if someone already replied to this, but there are some great > > devices at www.cellcomputing.com. Very small (a little bigger than your > > average HD. (without the HD, of course) and they run FreeBSD... > > > > Jay > > > > On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, rjent@rjent.pair.com wrote: > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > I have an application I would like to try to use picoBSD and I am not wanting > > > to use a regular sized pc. Hence I am wandering if someone could point me in > > > the right direction on a small box with mabye a serial connection and a netowrk > > > connection RJ45 so I could just telnet to it when I need to workon it. > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > -- RJ Ent. -- http://www.rjent.pair.com > > > Had Enough GPF's from M$? > > > Try something stable: http://www.freebsd.org or http://www.redhat.com > > > Strong Supporter of Visual Tcl -- http://www.neuron.com/stewart/vtcl/ > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > UNIX: because reboots are for hardware upgrades > > > > Jay Kuri jay@oneway.com > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - UNIX: because reboots are for hardware upgrades Jay Kuri jay@oneway.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Oct 24 23:50:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles546.castles.com [208.214.165.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 691CE151CF for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:50:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA16646; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:42:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199910250642.XAA16646@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: papowell@astart.com Cc: mike@smith.net.au, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG, kjc@csl.sony.co.jp, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Subject: Re: picobsd micro nat box In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 Oct 1999 08:56:28 PDT." <199910241556.IAA27938@h4.private> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 23:42:20 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Lets see... > > 1. Take one Lantronix, Emulex, Summix, Zimax, etc., print spooler > box. These have 1 ethernet 10/100 mbps, 2 parallel port, 1 serial > port interface. OK OK, these use a wall plug power supply. > But the box I am looking at right now is 8inches wide, 1 inch high (thick), > and 5 inches deep. ... > I will not claim that the code changes are 'trivial' but if you are > familiar with IPFilter then it takes about a day. > > The configuration and user interface is a bit more work. > > Ummm... the whole slamboodle, with IPNAt, and Print spooling, > etc. etc. is about 982K, (compressed), uses about 8 Mbytes > RAM. You can save the configuration in CMOS (Dallas makes some > VERY interesting RTC, RAM chips just for this purpose). Great. So tell me where I can buy one or more, and how to build and blast new firmware into it. 8) -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Oct 25 7:55: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B6215022 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:54:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shansen@earthlink.net) Received: from p2 ([24.9.137.53]) by mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991025145457.WUPI8534.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@p2> for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:54:57 -0700 From: "Skip Hansen" To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 08:00:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: picobsd micro nat box Reply-To: shansen@earthlink.net In-reply-to: <199910250642.XAA16646@dingo.cdrom.com> References: Your message of "Sun, 24 Oct 1999 08:56:28 PDT." <199910241556.IAA27938@h4.private> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Message-Id: <19991025145457.WUPI8534.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@p2> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Lets see... > > > > 1. Take one Lantronix, Emulex, Summix, Zimax, etc., print spooler > > box. These have 1 ethernet 10/100 mbps, 2 parallel port, 1 serial > > port interface. OK OK, these use a wall plug power supply. > > But the box I am looking at right now is 8inches wide, 1 inch high (thick), > > and 5 inches deep. > ... > > I will not claim that the code changes are 'trivial' but if you are > > familiar with IPFilter then it takes about a day. > > > > The configuration and user interface is a bit more work. > > > > Ummm... the whole slamboodle, with IPNAt, and Print spooling, > > etc. etc. is about 982K, (compressed), uses about 8 Mbytes > > RAM. You can save the configuration in CMOS (Dallas makes some > > VERY interesting RTC, RAM chips just for this purpose). > > Great. So tell me where I can buy one or more, and how to build and > blast new firmware into it. 8) I wonder if there are any cheap printer servers that run an x86 that could be reverse engineered or something. My PicoBSD NAT box cost nothing since it was an old 486 that I already had, but it still takes up a lot of space, has noisy fans and generates a lot more heat than I remembered (even without the hard disk). $600 strikes me as pretty expensive, I've seen several simular boxes in the $200 - $400 range. For example Zyxel has a Nat box is $249. (http://www.zyxel.com/html/product/soho_html/p310.html) Skip To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Oct 25 12:20:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.student.auckland.ac.nz (mail.student.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.35.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3EEE1522F for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 12:20:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz) Received: from cs26.cs.auckland.ac.nz (pgut001@cs26.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.36.9]) by mail.student.auckland.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.8.6/cs-master) with SMTP id IAA11755 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 08:20:14 +1300 (NZDT) (sender pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz) Received: by cs26.cs.auckland.ac.nz (relaymail v0.9) id <94087921404813>; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 08:20:14 (NZDT) From: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can someone recommend small hardware?? Reply-To: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz X-Charge-To: pgut001 X-Authenticated: relaymail v0.9 on cs26.cs.auckland.ac.nz Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 08:20:14 (NZDT) Message-ID: <94087921404813@cs26.cs.auckland.ac.nz> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kevin Lynn writes: >Cell computing is a tad expensive IMHO. "tad" is an understatement. They're cool toys though. >Personally I'd try www.advantech.com There are lots of places which sell reasonably-priced PC104 stuff. Typical config is a 486 Elan (66 or 100MHz), 2MB flash, 16MB DRAM. Finding ones with Ethernet built in is a bit harder, but they're there. Some pointers: http://www.tme-inc.com/html/products/2111.htm http://www.compulab.co.il/486core.htm http://www.tme-inc.com/html/products/5811.htm http://www.ampltd.com/processors.html http://www.ampro.com/products/products.htm http://www.brightstareng.com/ (*drool*, but even more expensive than CellComp) http://www.calibri.net/ (no hang on, that's with Linux :-). http://www.eepd.com/t5.htm http://www.eagle.co.za/4823.html http://www.dspdesign.com/ec586d.htm http://www.globalamericaninc.com/Products/ge7500.htm http://www.globalamericaninc.com/Products/ge8200.htm http://www.jumptec.com/dimmpcf.html http://www.megatel.ca/pages/press.html http://www.netburner.com/productsnndk.htm (68K based, Small Matter of Programming) http://www.arcom.co.uk/Elan104.html http://www.web-tronics.com/webtronics/com486cpuboa.html http://www.aaeon.com/html/pcm4894.htm http://www.rtdusa.com/cmx586.htm http://www.versalogic.com/Ds/VSBC6.htm (some of those are more at the drool-toy than affordable level). Does anyone have any plans to build a generic ready-to-go PicoBSD distribution for this sort of platform? It'd be nice to have a generic, as-stripped-down- as-possible PC104 version where you just select your NIC type and then drop the whole lot on a generic board from your choice of vendor. You'd probably use about half the flash for that, leaving the other half available to implement your network-widget of choice. Peter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Oct 25 22:59:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from jason.argos.org (a13b146.neo.rr.com [204.210.197.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBE515310 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 22:59:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@argos.org) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by jason.argos.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA31019; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:59:10 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:59:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Nowlin To: Peter Gutmann Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can someone recommend small hardware?? In-Reply-To: <94087921404813@cs26.cs.auckland.ac.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > There are lots of places which sell reasonably-priced PC104 stuff. Typical > config is a 486 Elan (66 or 100MHz), 2MB flash, 16MB DRAM. Finding ones with > Ethernet built in is a bit harder, but they're there. Some pointers: > Dunno if this has been recently brought up, but I just picked up a copy of Circuit Cellar magazine (my subscription expired years ago.) I was moderately surprised to see the number of "little tiny boards" advertised in it that "Run Linux", which means they should be able to run FreeBSD as well... This mag may be helpful to people who are starting to play with Pico (like me) -- it does seem to be gearing towards embedded '386 uses, plus the usual 8051, etc. designs. I've been working with 8051s for several years, but they do have their limitations.... :) mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Oct 25 23: 5:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687911531B for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 23:05:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA33565; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:05:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id AAA50204; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:06:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199910260606.AAA50204@harmony.village.org> To: Mike Nowlin Subject: Re: Can someone recommend small hardware?? Cc: Peter Gutmann , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 Oct 1999 01:59:10 EDT." References: Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 00:06:39 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message Mike Nowlin writes: : Dunno if this has been recently brought up, but I just picked up a copy of : Circuit Cellar magazine (my subscription expired years ago.) I was : moderately surprised to see the number of "little tiny boards" advertised : in it that "Run Linux", which means they should be able to run FreeBSD as : well... This mag may be helpful to people who are starting to play with : Pico (like me) -- it does seem to be gearing towards embedded '386 uses, : plus the usual 8051, etc. designs. I've been working with 8051s for : several years, but they do have their limitations.... :) We've had no problems running on SBC that we've evaluated, if the chips are supported by FreeBSD. We've had good luck so far in that we've been able to find drivers for the chips we've run into, but twice we've had to go to the PAO well when the standard distribution didn't help. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Oct 26 3:54: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from ns.oneway.net (NS.ONEWAY.NET [203.75.146.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D366414EFA for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 03:53:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from serge@oneway.net) Received: (qmail 304 invoked from network); 26 Oct 1999 10:53:52 -0000 Received: from ns2-dialup01.oneway.net (HELO times) (203.75.146.98) by ns.oneway.net with SMTP; 26 Oct 1999 10:53:52 -0000 Message-ID: <001701bf1fa0$63e45500$0a00a8c0@oneway.net> From: "HSIAO Hsueh-cheng" To: Subject: DiskOnModule Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 18:53:51 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi ... folks I found a product named 'DiskOnModule', its very good and ez to use like a general IDE HDD on ur system, you can visit their company's website to know detail (http://www.pqi.com.tw/Products/Catalogs/DiskOnModule.htm). Though their home is ugly but worth to read. Now I use DiskOnModule on my PicoBSD box. BTW, u need to modify mfs.rc /dev/fd0a ==> /dev/wd0 and Makefile.mfs to add IDE HDD device ... Sorry for my poor English To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Oct 26 4: 1:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from ns.oneway.net (NS.ONEWAY.NET [203.75.146.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DD2C614EE3 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 04:01:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from serge@oneway.net) Received: (qmail 349 invoked from network); 26 Oct 1999 11:01:41 -0000 Received: from ns2-dialup01.oneway.net (HELO times) (203.75.146.98) by ns.oneway.net with SMTP; 26 Oct 1999 11:01:41 -0000 Message-ID: <002901bf1fa1$7b69f300$0a00a8c0@oneway.net> From: "HSIAO Hsueh-cheng" To: Subject: Sorry for DiskOnModule Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 19:01:40 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi .. folks its me again ... If u wanto buy 'DiskOnModule' u can contact elmer@pqi.com.tw He is a 'Flash & PCB Div. Vice Manager' of their company. I bought DiskOnModule from him today. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Oct 26 5:12:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from gw-nl4.philips.com (gw-nl4.philips.com [192.68.44.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A005F14DD7 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 05:12:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert.schofield@philips.com) Received: from smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (localhost.philips.com [127.0.0.1]) by gw-nl4.philips.com with ESMTP id OAA27045 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:12:02 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from robert.schofield@philips.com) From: robert.schofield@philips.com Received: from smtprelay-eur1.philips.com(130.139.36.3) by gw-nl4.philips.com via mwrap (4.0a) id xma027041; Tue, 26 Oct 99 14:12:02 +0200 Received: from notessmtp-nl1.philips.com (notessmtp-nl1.philips.com [130.139.36.10]) by smtprelay-nl1.philips.com (8.9.3/8.8.5-1.2.2m-19990317) with ESMTP id OAA01924 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:12:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from EHLMS01.DIAMOND.PHILIPS.COM (ehlms01sv1.diamond.philips.com [130.139.54.212]) by notessmtp-nl1.philips.com (8.9.3/8.8.5-1.2.2m-19990317) with ESMTP id OAA20799 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:11:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by EHLMS01.DIAMOND.PHILIPS.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 4.0) with snapi via EMEA2 id 0056890006475667; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:11:58 +0200 To: Subject: Small boards Message-ID: <0056890006475667000002L972*@MHS> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:11:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="MEMO 10/26/99 14:11:25" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Although not the right "flavour", this may be of interest: http://uclinux.org/simm/ - a possible target for a future port? Rob Schofield= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Oct 26 7: 1: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from Samizdat.uucom.com (samizdat.uucom.com [198.202.217.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1416614E33 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 07:00:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cshenton@uucom.com) Received: (from cshenton@localhost) by Samizdat.uucom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05313; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 10:00:42 -0400 (EDT) To: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can someone recommend small hardware?? References: <94087921404813@cs26.cs.auckland.ac.nz> User-Agent: SEMI/1.13.3 (Komaiko) FLIM/1.12.5 (Hirahata) Emacs/20.3 (i386-pc-solaris2.7) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.3 - "Komaiko") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Chris Shenton Date: 26 Oct 1999 10:00:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz's message of "Tue, 26 Oct 1999 08:20:14 (NZDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 20.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 08:20:14 (NZDT), pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) said: Peter> There are lots of places which sell reasonably-priced PC104 Peter> stuff. Typical config is a 486 Elan (66 or 100MHz), 2MB flash, Peter> 16MB DRAM. Finding ones with Ethernet built in is a bit Peter> harder, but they're there. Are there any with *two* Ether interfaces? Preferably 10/100 of course :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Oct 26 9:28:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.student.auckland.ac.nz (mail.student.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.35.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F12F14EBC for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 09:28:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz) Received: from cs26.cs.auckland.ac.nz (pgut001@cs26.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.36.9]) by mail.student.auckland.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.8.6/cs-master) with SMTP id FAA22275 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 05:28:23 +1300 (NZDT) (sender pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz) Received: by cs26.cs.auckland.ac.nz (relaymail v0.9) id <94095530315683>; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 05:28:23 (NZDT) From: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can someone recommend small hardware?? Reply-To: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz X-Charge-To: pgut001 X-Authenticated: relaymail v0.9 on cs26.cs.auckland.ac.nz Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 05:28:23 (NZDT) Message-ID: <94095530315683@cs26.cs.auckland.ac.nz> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Shenton writes: >On Tue, 26 Oct 1999 08:20:14 (NZDT), pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) said: >>There are lots of places which sell reasonably-priced PC104 >>stuff. Typical config is a 486 Elan (66 or 100MHz), 2MB flash, >>16MB DRAM. Finding ones with Ethernet built in is a bit >>harder, but they're there. >Are there any with *two* Ether interfaces? Preferably 10/100 of course :-) You'll be lucky to find one with a single 100Mbps interface, most are just 10. Since the modules are stackable, you could just get two Ethernet cards and plug them into the CPU card, but I don't know whether a PC104 mini-tower is the kind of form factor which people will be happy with. Peter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Oct 26 18:56:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5994F14C92 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 18:56:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mujtaba@bitsmart.com) Received: from mujtaba ([24.3.26.31]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991027015558.DQMJ18396.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@mujtaba> for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 18:55:58 -0700 From: "Mujtaba Ali" To: Subject: Re: Can someone recommend small hardware?? Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 21:55:54 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19991027015558.DQMJ18396.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@mujtaba> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey there, Anyone know of a place where I could get decent-looking cases for these bad boys. The advantech casing looks pretty plain and... well.... "naked". - Muj ---------- > From: Jay Kuri > To: Kevin Lynn > Cc: rjent@rjent.pair.com; freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Can someone recommend small hardware?? > Date: Monday, October 25, 1999 12:37 AM > > > Ahh... Advantech does have some nice boards... the PCM-5862E-00A1 is nice > for the price. I may just purchase one of these to play with. Thanks!! > > Jay > > On Sun, 24 Oct 1999, Kevin Lynn wrote: > > > Cell computing is a tad expensive IMHO. > > > > Personally I'd try www.advantech.com > > > > On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Jay Kuri wrote: > > > > > > > > Don't know if someone already replied to this, but there are some great > > > devices at www.cellcomputing.com. Very small (a little bigger than your > > > average HD. (without the HD, of course) and they run FreeBSD... > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, rjent@rjent.pair.com wrote: > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > > > I have an application I would like to try to use picoBSD and I am not wanting > > > > to use a regular sized pc. Hence I am wandering if someone could point me in > > > > the right direction on a small box with mabye a serial connection and a netowrk > > > > connection RJ45 so I could just telnet to it when I need to workon it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- RJ Ent. -- http://www.rjent.pair.com > > > > Had Enough GPF's from M$? > > > > Try something stable: http://www.freebsd.org or http://www.redhat.com > > > > Strong Supporter of Visual Tcl -- http://www.neuron.com/stewart/vtcl/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > UNIX: because reboots are for hardware upgrades > > > > > > Jay Kuri jay@oneway.com > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > UNIX: because reboots are for hardware upgrades > > Jay Kuri jay@oneway.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Oct 27 8:10: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from hindenburg.eboai.org (hindenburg.eboai.org [205.181.254.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8E7153E3 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 08:09:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chip@eboai.org) Received: by hindenburg.eboai.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 960945AE2; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 11:09:30 -0400 From: Chip Marshall To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can someone recommend small hardware?? Message-ID: <19991027110930.A3093@hindenburg.eboai.org> Reply-To: chip@eboai.org Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19991027015558.DQMJ18396.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@mujtaba> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <19991027015558.DQMJ18396.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@mujtaba> X-Real-OS: FreeBSD hindenburg.eboai.org 3.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Oct 26, 1999 at 09:55:54PM -0400, Mujtaba Ali wrote: > Anyone know of a place where I could get decent-looking cases for these > bad boys. The advantech casing looks pretty plain and... well.... "naked". I've seen people paint the Advantech cases black, which makes them look a lot nicer. Also, if you go with PC104 stuff, there is a company that makes neat little cylinders to hold the modules. I think you can by them at EMJ. -- Chip Marshall http://www.chocobo.cx/chip/ Geek code available via finger PGP key available on my web page On IRC via EFnet as Magus To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 29 10:30:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from srv5-cba.cba.zaz.com.br (srv5-cba.cba.zaz.com.br [200.241.191.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A374152DA for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:30:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shimakaw@cba.zaz.com.br) Received: from shima.cba.zaz.com.br (IDENT:root@[200.241.191.142]) by srv5-cba.cba.zaz.com.br (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA06304 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:30:35 -0400 From: André Shimakawa Reply-To: shimakaw@cba.zaz.com.br Organization: Internews/ZAZ To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: NAT in ppp (dialup) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:24:01 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99102914275202.01230@shima.cba.zaz.com.br> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry about my english... :) I'm a FreeBSD user from Brazil I'm playing with picobsd for the last weeks. Can anyone help me? I'm trying to make a diskette with picobsd for using as NAT dialup, but the -nat or -alias option in ppp does not work... How can I activate this options? Thanks! Andre Shimakawa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Oct 29 17:48: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.atl.bellsouth.net (mail2.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9AAB14A19 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:47:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wghicks@bellsouth.net) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (host-209-214-67-178.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.67.178]) by mail2.atl.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id UAA14379; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (IDENT:wghicks@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wghicks.bellsouth.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA05043; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:44:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net) Message-Id: <199910300044.UAA05043@bellsouth.net> To: shimakaw@cba.zaz.com.br Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org, wghicks@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: NAT in ppp (dialup) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:24:01 EDT." <99102914275202.01230@shima.cba.zaz.com.br> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:44:38 -0400 From: W Gerald Hicks Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm trying to make a diskette with picobsd for using as NAT dialup, but the > -nat or -alias option in ppp does not work... > How can I activate this options? You'll have to build a custom version of PicoBSD to achieve this. The sources are located in /usr/src/release/picobsd. Good Luck, Jerry Hicks wghicks@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Oct 30 13:43:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.nwnexus.com (smtp04.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EAF514D6D for ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 13:43:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from golding@halcyon.com) Received: from king.halcyon.com (golding@king.halcyon.com [206.63.63.10]) by smtp04.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA10189 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 13:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from golding@localhost) by king.halcyon.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02348; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 13:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 13:43:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Kim and Chet Golding To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: has anyone gotten picobsd router on FreeBSD 4.0? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've been working at getting this to build. With a bit of work I can get it go run though to part way into the populate script, then it fails. Before I send out a long story of the muddy details, has anyone gotten this working already? Chet Golding To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message