From owner-freebsd-small Mon Dec 27 13:28:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.tu-graz.ac.at (ns1.tu-graz.ac.at [129.27.2.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4674152EA for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 13:28:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mbretter@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at) Received: from babsi.tu-graz.ac.at (chello-a17.vc-graz.ac.at [193.170.225.17]) by ns1.tu-graz.ac.at (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA14419 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:28:47 +0100 (MET) From: Michael Bretterklieber To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DiskOnChip and PicoBSD in General Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:18:52 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <003c01bf4c22$46da1680$0dea5e18@mmcable.com> In-Reply-To: <003c01bf4c22$46da1680$0dea5e18@mmcable.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99122722272801.00579@babsi.tu-graz.ac.at> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Am Mi , 22 Dez 1999 schrieben Sie: > I've been recently thrown into the embedded development world, which has > proven to be quite interesting. I've used FreeBSD before (but not > currently and not as an embedded OS), but only discovered PicoBSD > tonight. WOW. It would sure beat having to use ROM-DOS (shudder) in my > company's upcoming new project! I have some questions: > > 1. It looks like FreeBSD (and thus PicoBSD, I assume) has integrated > support for M-Systems DiskOnChip products as of 3.3. Can one configure > PicoBSD to boot off of one? > Yes. I made PicoBSD-images for 4MB-DiskOnChip-devices. > 2. I found info for making PicoBSD floppies, but not any for making ROM > images -- other than the fact that you can. Where might I find out how > to do this? > > 3. What kind of boot image will needoc2k4|DiskOnChip 2000 4MB Chip:\ > DiskOnChip? > my disktab-entries: ... doc2k4|DiskOnChip 2000 4MB Chip:\ :dt=ESDI:ty=winchester:se#512:nt#8:ns#1:nc#986:\ :pa#7888:oa#0:ba#0:fa#0:ta=4.2BSD:\ :pc#7888:oc#0:bc#0:fc#0: ... and in the "stage1"-script, somewhere before the population of the filesystem starts add: ... vnconfig -u /dev/rvn0 dd of=picobsd.bin if=/dev/zero count=2880 bs=1k vnconfig -c /dev/rvn0 picobsd.bin disklabel -Brw -b /boot/boot1 -s /boot/boot2 /dev/rvn0 doc2k4 newfs -T doc2k4 -m 0 -o space /dev/rvn0c ... bye, -- \|/ @ @ +---------------------------oOO-(_)-OOo---------------------------+ Michael Bretterklieber Office: Michael.Bretterklieber@gamed.com Privat: mbretter@sbox.tu-graz.ac.at URL: http://www.sbox.tu-graz.ac.at/home/m/mbretter/ Sorry for my bad english! +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Dec 27 15: 5:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1994915291 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:05:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA37324; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:05:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA57408; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:05:39 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199912272305.QAA57408@harmony.village.org> To: Luigi Rizzo Subject: Re: any way to boot from compactflash ? Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 23 Dec 1999 12:52:19 +0100." <199912231152.MAA12483@info.iet.unipi.it> References: <199912231152.MAA12483@info.iet.unipi.it> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:05:39 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199912231152.MAA12483@info.iet.unipi.it> Luigi Rizzo writes: : does any of you know of hardware that can be used to boot : a standard desktop system from a compactflash module ? Yes. Go to http://www.tapr.org and get the CF <-> IDE adapter. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Dec 27 15:35:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A59152F8 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:35:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26690; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 01:36:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199912280036.BAA26690@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: any way to boot from compactflash ? In-Reply-To: <199912272305.QAA57408@harmony.village.org> from Warner Losh at "Dec 27, 1999 04:05:39 pm" To: Warner Losh Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 01:36:28 +0100 (CET) Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <199912231152.MAA12483@info.iet.unipi.it> Luigi Rizzo writes: > : does any of you know of hardware that can be used to boot > : a standard desktop system from a compactflash module ? > > Yes. Go to http://www.tapr.org and get the CF <-> IDE adapter. thanks -- this seems the most useful piece of information i got so far! cheers luigi -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) Mobile +39-347-0373137 -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Dec 28 5:24:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from homeboy.office.mindspring.net (homeboy.office.mindspring.net [207.69.192.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4776914ED8 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 05:24:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ctspencer@mindspring.net) Received: from localhost (ctspencer@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homeboy.office.mindspring.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA01666 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 08:18:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 08:18:25 -0500 (EST) From: cs380@mindspring.com To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-small Courtney To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Dec 29 9:21:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from cotdazr.org (cotdazr.org [209.239.229.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 75F4414EB8 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:21:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from efb@cotdazr.org) Received: (qmail 17380 invoked by uid 10); 29 Dec 1999 17:21:44 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:21:44 -0800 From: Everett F Batey To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: What is the b-mark small affordable Host ? Message-ID: <19991229092144.B17316@cotdazr.org> Reply-To: efb@cotdazr.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD gcpacix.cotdazr.org 2.2.8-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE X-Tele: +1 805 985.3146 / 805 340.6471 Pg 805 655.2017 X-URL: http://www.cotdazr.org Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To build a router, radio interface, spread spectrum intreface on "small FreeBSD" has there been a discovery of what is the smallest "hardware platform" 386, 486, X86 m-board, FlashDisk, power supply that can be assembled in the small footprint, dollar and very small power consumption model. My wife is about ready to move me and the routers, hubs, computers and kids to another planet ... So Cal Edison is sending the Y2K electricity - police to hunt me down .. recommendations I have seen a PC in a cigar box somewhere .. but didn't think it was low power .. /Everett/ -- + http://www.vhwy.com efb@vhwy.com --- WA6CRE --- http://www.cotdazr.org + + Short Voice Text Message: 888 522-VHWY (8499) or Beep: 805.655.2017 + + Unix BSD, Sun, HP SCO Linux Security Cisco Routing DataFellows QMail DNS + To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Dec 29 9:55: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from members.unlimited.net (members.unlimited.net [209.186.200.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511CF1534C for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:55:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from norami@unlimited.net) Received: from unlimited.net (ts1-60.unlimited.net [209.186.200.60]) by members.unlimited.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25749; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:50:05 -0800 Message-ID: <386A4C4F.CD7A0EBF@unlimited.net> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:00:47 -0800 From: John Oram Reply-To: norami@unlimited.net Organization: norAmi X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,x-ns1dzwuwOCyNhP,x-ns2r2809OnmPe2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: efb@cotdazr.org Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is the b-mark small affordable Host ? References: <19991229092144.B17316@cotdazr.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Some places to look are: JumpTec www.jumptec.com DimmPC Cell Computing, Inc. www.cellcomputing.com CardPC Epson Electronics www.smos.com Card-PC CompuLab www.compulab.co.il i960 micro-cards and a new 486-based one. ZF Micro www.zfmicro.com 386-based PC-on-chip, claimed price is $50, claimed shipping is in Jan. 2000 Take a look at the work at Stanford University with their "Matchbox PC & Matchbox server" Also look at for possibly the "smallest web server" around. John Oram Sacramento, CA Everett F Batey wrote: > > To build a router, radio interface, spread spectrum intreface on > "small FreeBSD" has there been a discovery of what is the smallest > "hardware platform" 386, 486, X86 m-board, FlashDisk, power supply > that can be assembled in the small footprint, dollar and very small > power consumption model. > > My wife is about ready to move me and the routers, hubs, computers > and kids to another planet ... So Cal Edison is sending the Y2K > electricity - police to hunt me down .. recommendations > > I have seen a PC in a cigar box somewhere .. but didn't think it > was low power .. > > /Everett/ > > -- > + http://www.vhwy.com efb@vhwy.com --- WA6CRE --- http://www.cotdazr.org + > + Short Voice Text Message: 888 522-VHWY (8499) or Beep: 805.655.2017 + > + Unix BSD, Sun, HP SCO Linux Security Cisco Routing DataFellows QMail DNS + > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Dec 29 11:53:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from edna.bus.net (edna.bus.net [207.41.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD9F1518D for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:53:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mso@bus.net) Received: from bus.net (7.ct9.dyn.connix.net [209.66.147.14]) by edna.bus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20668; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:53:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mso@bus.net) Message-ID: <386A66D4.F5C9DD06@bus.net> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:53:56 -0500 From: "Michael S. O'Donnell" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: efb@cotdazr.org Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What is the b-mark small affordable Host ? References: <19991229092144.B17316@cotdazr.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i'm working on a similar project, in all my spare time : ) with the added requirements of a small nfs. radio interface is in the future. my budget is nil. i'll be researching Mr. Oram's recommendations and will add a few of my own. please keep the list updated with your progress. thanks, Michael S. O'Donnell mso@bus.net sources i've come across: http://www.pc104.com/ http://www.parvus.com/hub.html http://www.ampro.com/ http://www.sss-mag.com/wlan.html http://www.m-sys.com/ http://www.egghead.com/category/Memory_&_CPUs35414.htm#Section1 Everett F Batey wrote: > To build a router, radio interface, spread spectrum intreface on > "small FreeBSD" has there been a discovery of what is the smallest > "hardware platform" 386, 486, X86 m-board, FlashDisk, power supply > that can be assembled in the small footprint, dollar and very small > power consumption model. > > My wife is about ready to move me and the routers, hubs, computers > and kids to another planet ... So Cal Edison is sending the Y2K > electricity - police to hunt me down .. recommendations > > I have seen a PC in a cigar box somewhere .. but didn't think it > was low power .. > > /Everett/ > > -- > + http://www.vhwy.com efb@vhwy.com --- WA6CRE --- http://www.cotdazr.org + > + Short Voice Text Message: 888 522-VHWY (8499) or Beep: 805.655.2017 + > + Unix BSD, Sun, HP SCO Linux Security Cisco Routing DataFellows QMail DNS + > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Dec 30 9:58:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731381538D for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 09:58:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01089; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:58:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199912301758.SAA01089@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: loader dictionary full on 3.4R picobsd ? To: small@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:58:59 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, i was trying to build picobsd floppies on 3.4R and noticed that the /boot/loader is now unable to complete the load of all the config files from /boot/defaults/ ... it complains with something about "dictionary full" and then cannot the rest of the boot phase fails. While this is a good motivation to finally get rid of the fancy loader config and do with a very plain loader.rc, any idea on what caused this change between 3.3 and 3.4 ? cheers luigi -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) Mobile +39-347-0373137 -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Dec 30 17:26:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.mv.net (mercury.mv.net [199.125.85.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364AF14D98 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:26:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paulc@visual.mv.com) Received: from visual.mv.com (bnh-2-29.mv.com [199.125.99.93]) by mercury.mv.net (8.8.8/mem-971025) with ESMTP id UAA24166 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:26:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <386C072D.21E9483D@visual.mv.com> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:30:21 -0500 From: Paul Courchene X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: pc-104 URLs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Recently, someone posted a message to this list, with several URLs that were focused on pc104, Flash memory, 386 on a chip, 486 SBC's, etc. I lost the page when my Windoze machine crashed, and I did not have an opportunity to copy or archive those URLs. Is it possible that someone recalls the post or thread of a couple of days ago, and could send me another copy ??? thanks paulc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Dec 30 19:20:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from biff.nerdpower.net (c13574-001.nerdpower.net [24.108.37.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A738414DBF for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 19:20:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff@nerdpower.com) Received: (qmail 5560 invoked by alias); 31 Dec 1999 03:21:37 -0000 Received: from flanders.nerdpower.net (HELO flanders) (24.108.37.21) by biff.nerdpower.net with SMTP; 31 Dec 1999 03:21:37 -0000 From: "Jeff Lush" To: Subject: Mounting PicoBSD floppy Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:20:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I would like to know if it is possible to mount a PicoBSD floppy (to edit the conf files) on a Linux machine. Under BSD it can be mounted as ext2; however, in Linux it gives a bad super block. When I mount as auto under Linux, it mounts but claims the ufstype=old. Any ideas on how this can be done? Thanks, Jeff Lush To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Dec 30 19:33:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A3114A2E for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 19:33:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id OAA02929; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 14:03:29 +1030 (CST) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 14:03:29 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Jeff Lush Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mounting PicoBSD floppy Message-ID: <19991231140328.A1528@freebie.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 30 December 1999 at 20:20:47 -0700, Jeff Lush wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to know if it is possible to mount a PicoBSD floppy (to > edit the conf files) on a Linux machine. Under BSD it can be mounted > as ext2; The PicoBSD floppy is ufs, not ext2. I doubt you could mount it under Linux. > however, in Linux it gives a bad super block. That's reasonable. > When I mount as auto under Linux, it mounts but claims the > ufstype=old. Is this a problem? Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Dec 31 2:19:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCD01534A for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 02:19:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p16-dn01kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.132.6.145]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id TAA04117; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 19:19:46 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <386C7BFE.A64A5253@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 18:48:46 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: loader dictionary full on 3.4R picobsd ? References: <199912301758.SAA01089@info.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > Hi, > i was trying to build picobsd floppies on 3.4R and noticed that > the /boot/loader is now unable to complete the load of all the > config files from /boot/defaults/ ... it complains with something > about "dictionary full" and then cannot the rest of the boot phase > fails. > > While this is a good motivation to finally get rid of the fancy > loader config and do with a very plain loader.rc, any idea > on what caused this change between 3.3 and 3.4 ? FICL uses a pre-allocated dictionary. It's size has always been barely enough for the stuff we load. You can change the size in sys/boot/common/interp_forth.c, though the correct solution is growing the dictionary. It's in my plans... I really ought to sit down and finish all stuff I have pending for FICL. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "Nice try, Lao Che." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Dec 31 2:47: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FD615501 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 02:47:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (p24-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.163.200.121]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id TAA07213; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 19:46:56 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <386C8968.C1C8E174@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 19:46:00 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: loader dictionary full on 3.4R picobsd ? References: <199912311032.LAA03426@info.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > including a bit of bare-bone documentation on what is > the minimal loader configuration that would be required > to load essentially the kernel and an FS image without having > to load loader.conf, defaults/loader.conf, loader.4th, support.4th > which are pretty bulky ? In what way is loader(8) deficient? I'd think all you need to know is there... Anyway, check grog's work on PicoBSD. It uses bare-bones loader. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "Nice try, Lao Che." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Dec 31 2:59:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D6614BF4 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 02:59:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03426; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:32:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199912311032.LAA03426@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: loader dictionary full on 3.4R picobsd ? In-Reply-To: <386C7BFE.A64A5253@newsguy.com> from "Daniel C. Sobral" at "Dec 31, 1999 06:48:46 pm" To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:32:08 +0100 (CET) Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > While this is a good motivation to finally get rid of the fancy > > loader config and do with a very plain loader.rc, any idea > > on what caused this change between 3.3 and 3.4 ? > > FICL uses a pre-allocated dictionary. It's size has always been barely > enough for the stuff we load. You can change the size in > sys/boot/common/interp_forth.c, though the correct solution is growing > the dictionary. It's in my plans... I really ought to sit down and > finish all stuff I have pending for FICL. including a bit of bare-bone documentation on what is the minimal loader configuration that would be required to load essentially the kernel and an FS image without having to load loader.conf, defaults/loader.conf, loader.4th, support.4th which are pretty bulky ? (ok, this is a bit picobsd-oriented but after all this is one of the only two uses of FICL that i know of...) cheers/happy new year luigi -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) Mobile +39-347-0373137 -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Dec 31 3: 0:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FAB615085 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 03:00:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03504; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:00:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199912311100.MAA03504@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: loader dictionary full on 3.4R picobsd ? In-Reply-To: <386C8968.C1C8E174@newsguy.com> from "Daniel C. Sobral" at "Dec 31, 1999 07:46:00 pm" To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:00:29 +0100 (CET) Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In what way is loader(8) deficient? I'd think all you need to know is i think it does not include the names to put in "load -t ...", is there any place i can find them ? > there... Anyway, check grog's work on PicoBSD. It uses bare-bones exactly -- there is everything, which assumes a bit of understanding of what is going on in the loader. But, to be short, would it suffice to put the following in /boot/loader.rc load /kernel load -t userconfig_script /boot/kernel.conf load -t /fs.PICOBSD autoboot 5 anything else ? cheers luigi -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- Luigi RIZZO, luigi@iet.unipi.it . Dip. di Ing. dell'Informazione http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ . Universita` di Pisa TEL/FAX: +39-050-568.533/522 . via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) Mobile +39-347-0373137 -----------------------------------+------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Dec 31 6:26:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E51F14F31 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 06:26:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com (dcs@p26-dn02kiryunisiki.gunma.ocn.ne.jp [210.163.200.123]) by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) with ESMTP id XAA09770; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 23:26:19 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <386CBD0B.F9B12D33@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 23:26:19 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: loader dictionary full on 3.4R picobsd ? References: <199912311100.MAA03504@info.iet.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > > In what way is loader(8) deficient? I'd think all you need to know is > > i think it does not include the names to put in "load -t ...", > is there any place i can find them ? Ah, yes, that would be tricky. Loader has no special treatment for those types. These are tags that get associated with whatever was loaded, and can be treated in any way applications want. Perhaps a few examples documenting the existing uses would be in order, but... > > there... Anyway, check grog's work on PicoBSD. It uses bare-bones > > exactly -- there is everything, which assumes a bit of understanding ??? Check what grog did. His loader.rc has *TWO* lines, and no *.4th or *.conf stuff. > of what is going on in the loader. But, to be short, would it suffice > to put the following in /boot/loader.rc > > load /kernel > load -t userconfig_script /boot/kernel.conf > load -t /fs.PICOBSD > autoboot 5 > > anything else ? It can get shorter, even. :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "Nice try, Lao Che." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Dec 31 6:42:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 188FA14FA1 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 06:42:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03839; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:42:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199912311442.PAA03839@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: loader dictionary full on 3.4R picobsd ? In-Reply-To: <386CBD0B.F9B12D33@newsguy.com> from "Daniel C. Sobral" at "Dec 31, 1999 11:26:19 pm" To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:42:32 +0100 (CET) Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > there... Anyway, check grog's work on PicoBSD. It uses bare-bones > > > > exactly -- there is everything, which assumes a bit of understanding > > ??? sorry -- the "everything" was referred to the loader(8) manpage, not to Greg's loader.rc which i could not find until now, hidden in the custom/floppy.tree/boot/ directory. Ok, will try that one! cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Dec 31 9:19:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from edna.bus.net (edna.bus.net [207.41.24.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3975114A29 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 09:19:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mso@bus.net) Received: from bus.net (12.ct9.dyn.connix.net [209.66.147.19]) by edna.bus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28857; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:19:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mso@bus.net) Message-ID: <386CE5A5.A86A34@bus.net> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:19:33 -0500 From: "Michael S. O'Donnell" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Courchene Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pc-104 URLs References: <386C072D.21E9483D@visual.mv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG someone is mirroring the mailing list at: http://lists.openresources.com/FreeBSD/freebsd-small/threads.html#00324 the best all around link list for PC/104 i have found is: http://www.pc104.com/ missing from the list is: http://www.parvus.com/ http://www.tri-m.com/ and i'm sure some others. also check out: http://www.m-sys.com/ http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/micro/index.htm http://www.egghead.com/category/Memory_&_CPUs35414.htm#Section1 some of the thread is available at: http://radio.cotdazr.org/smallhost.html i'm sure there are other sources, but these are the only ones in my bookmark file thus far. Michael S. O'Donnell mso@bus.net Paul Courchene wrote: > Recently, someone posted a message to this list, > with several URLs that were focused on pc104, > Flash memory, 386 on a chip, 486 SBC's, etc. > > I lost the page when my Windoze machine > crashed, and I did not have an opportunity > to copy or archive those URLs. > Is it possible that someone recalls the post > or thread of a couple of days ago, > and could send me another copy ??? > > thanks > > paulc > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Dec 31 12:31: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mass.cdrom.com (castles511.castles.com [208.214.165.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C3D15600 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:31:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Received: from mass.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02747; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:36:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199912312036.MAA02747@mass.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: loader dictionary full on 3.4R picobsd ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:32:08 +0100." <199912311032.LAA03426@info.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:36:19 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > including a bit of bare-bone documentation on what is > the minimal loader configuration that would be required > to load essentially the kernel and an FS image without having > to load loader.conf, defaults/loader.conf, loader.4th, support.4th > which are pretty bulky ? > (ok, this is a bit picobsd-oriented but after all this is > one of the only two uses of FICL that i know of...) You don't need any of the Forth stuff at all for that; leave BOOTFORTH out of the defines when you build the loader. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Dec 31 16:50:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BB91569C for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 16:50:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id LAA13494; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 11:20:36 +1030 (CST) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 11:20:36 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: loader dictionary full on 3.4R picobsd ? Message-ID: <20000101112036.B1528@freebie.lemis.com> References: <386CBD0B.F9B12D33@newsguy.com> <199912311442.PAA03839@info.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <199912311442.PAA03839@info.iet.unipi.it> WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday, 31 December 1999 at 15:42:32 +0100, Luigi Rizzo wrote: >>>> there... Anyway, check grog's work on PicoBSD. It uses bare-bones >>> >>> exactly -- there is everything, which assumes a bit of understanding >> >> ??? > > sorry -- the "everything" was referred to the loader(8) manpage, > not to Greg's loader.rc which i could not find until now, hidden > in the custom/floppy.tree/boot/ directory. Ok, will try > that one! Let me know if you have any problems. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message