From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Feb 23 17: 7:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from fep01-svc.tin.it (mta01-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F171141A for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:07:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.236.104]) by fep01-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:11:12 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:14:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Read this... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > Will someone with more courage and experiance than I please speak up about > > this, perhaps contact sun? > > Please _don't_ ask Sun for anything until you have a working port on > limited hardware. I doubt that anyone following this list would be > prepared to spend $$$ based on what has been said so far. Those people > who have access to Sun machines should be able to do a port with neither > financial nor moral support from Sun. If you want this sort of support, > you have to earn it. Let me explain the meaning of the word "support" from my personal point of view: 1) I haven't any Sun Hardware. I'm a student and I cannot pay 3000$ for a Sun Ultra5, only to "play" with it. I would have an AXi motherboard (good for experiments) but it costs too much. So, for the hardware I would have something like 50% of the price (no free hardware, at actual stage). Why Sun could give me/us this: I have not 3000$, and actually there are few persons with an Ultra box, so _if_ Sun wants more developers on this project they must help in some way. This is the situation it's not "charity"... Please note also the word "Open" also means: I can buy it for a good price. 2) Docs, pdf and other things.... On Intel you can find _anything_ about "how it boots", "how it works", books and docs. If you go in a bookstore you can find many books about "everything". Not the same situation on Sparc. So again: "Open" means I can read "how it works" without paying 500$... 3) Moral support. Actually, if Sun (SME) will put something on-line about the harware we can do a good job (something that works/boots on limited hardware) with no moral support. We can do experiments where "I don't know how it works" and read where "it's documented at page..." Thanks for youe time 8) Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Feb 25 18:37:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F5B14E83; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:37:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from piet@cup.hp.com) Received: from hpfsvr02.cup.hp.com (root@hpfsvr02.cup.hp.com [15.28.74.198]) by palrel1.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id SAA04939; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:37:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from piet1.sparc.engr.sgi.com (piet1.cup.hp.com [15.28.75.241]) by hpfsvr02.cup.hp.com with SMTP (8.8.6/8.7.3 TIS Messaging 5.0) id SAA24779; Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:37:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:37:25 -0800 (PST) From: Piet Delaney Message-Id: <199902260237.SAA24779@hpfsvr02.cup.hp.com> To: johns@umr.edu Subject: Re: 24ibt on ZX/leo framebuffer, cg8/12, and doing kernel src debugging with kernel kgdb stub and ddd+gdb Cc: toddf@acm.org, frivara@otmcorp.com, obrien@nuxi.com, hasty@star-gate.com, piet@piet.net, piet@hpfsvr02.cup.hp.com, charleymeyer@earthlink.net, Loc.Tran@Eng.Sun.COM, netbsd-help@netBSD.Org, tech-kern@netBSD.Org, port-sparc@netBSD.Org, misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.Org, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.Org, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.Org Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi John: This afternoon I received mail from Todd Fries and he suggested touching bases with you on working on the leo driver(s). I've got a Leo and an sbus based cg8/cg12, I'll have to check which, anyway both are 24 bit true color cards and I wrote a 24 bit true color driver a while back and was wondering about helping out on one. I've got NetBSD, OpenBSD, and Linix running at home on some old SPARCstations and I'm about to install FreeBSD on an Ultra SCSI dual processor Pentium. I'd like to work on the kernel with kgdb but I've been having trouble getting the kgdb stub code linked on the OpenBSD kernel. I used something like kgdb here at HP and have used it on SunOS and Solaris (kdbx). Seems ddd on top should be no sweat. I find it hard to believe that the OpenBSD kernel hackers aren't using kgdb on OpenBSD. Worlds a bit strange. I have to admit I didn't try very hard yet; just a few hours. We really should be running the stub over it's own ethernet code and minimal hooks into the ethernet drivers. Then you can remote debug a lot of kernel bugs on system anywhere in the world; it's real slick. I was a bit impressed that microsoft releases NT with a version compiled -g on the CD for remote src level debugging. I wonder why the major UNIX corporation aren't also doing this. Seem like some lawyers told them the debugger information could be reverse engineered back into code; I really doubt that. If you have any suggestion on the true color frame buffer drivers on setting up kgdb on openbsd, I'd appreciate hearing about it. I know it works on Linux but I'm not sure abot FreeBSD. Likley still works on NetBSD but the code has changes a lot since my old NetBSD got installed. OpenBSD is running pretty good these days, I used ddd and gdb on a core file but the problem wasn't obvious other than I unpluged the scsi connector; seems it shouldn't panic. I set up kgdb on sunos over a few weekends so I doubt it will take very long. The frame buffer driver I did last took about 3 months but all I had was adb. With kgdb I'd expect we could get it working in a few weeks. -piet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Feb 26 0:28: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from waldorf.appli.se (waldorf.appli.se [194.198.196.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24AFB14EE4; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:27:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from niklas@petra.appli.se) Received: from petra.appli.se (petra.appli.se [194.198.196.24]) by waldorf.appli.se (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00123; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:14:47 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199902260814.JAA00123@waldorf.appli.se> To: Piet Delaney Cc: johns@umr.edu, toddf@acm.org, frivara@otmcorp.com, obrien@nuxi.com, hasty@star-gate.com, piet@piet.net, piet@hpfsvr02.cup.hp.com, charleymeyer@earthlink.net, Loc.Tran@Eng.Sun.COM, netbsd-help@netBSD.Org, tech-kern@netBSD.Org, port-sparc@netBSD.Org, misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.Org, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.Org, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.Org Subject: Re: 24ibt on ZX/leo framebuffer, cg8/12, and doing kernel src debugging with kernel kgdb stub and ddd+gdb In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:37:25 PST." <199902260237.SAA24779@hpfsvr02.cup.hp.com> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 09:14:47 +0100 From: Niklas Hallqvist Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:37:25 -0800 (PST) > From: Piet Delaney > If you have any suggestion on the true color frame buffer drivers on > setting up kgdb on openbsd, I'd appreciate hearing about it. I have KGDB in the pipe, at least for i386, should not be hard to fix for sparc. The only problem is with me getting time to test this stuff. I used the NetBSD support as a base. Most of us have developped a skill with DDB so KGDB has not been as asked for as it could be. I agree DDB is a poor substitute for KGDB though. But it works on a single machine, KGDB requires 2, so it has at least one advantage. Niklas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Feb 26 11:11:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.volant.org (phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9B114FFD for ; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:11:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patl@phoenix.volant.org) Received: from asimov.phoenix.volant.org ([205.179.79.65]) by phoenix.volant.org with smtp (Exim 1.92 #8) for freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org id 10GSey-0004DU-00; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:10:53 -0800 Received: from localhost by asimov.phoenix.volant.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA10772; Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:10:50 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 11:10:50 -0800 (PST) From: patl@phoenix.volant.org Reply-To: patl@phoenix.volant.org Subject: Forwarded: [Sun releasing Solaris source] To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For those of you who don't subscribe to NetBSD-SPARC... -Pat ------- Begin Forwarded Message ------- Apparently [fwd from a friend]... Sun Microsystems is going to release the Solaris source code under the same license as Java ... you can have the source code but you must provide Sun with any bugfixes. Any binaries must pass a Sun compatability test and you must pay Sun if you ship any commercial binaries. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2215357,00.html This might accelerate development of usability on ultra 2, ultra 5, tcx framebuffers, etc. --*greywolf; -- "When are people going to wake up and perceive people as people, instead of giving us convenient little labels, trying to force us to conform to convenient little molds and perceiving us as convenient little threats?" -- greywolf@starwolf.com ------- End Forwarded Message ------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message