From owner-freebsd-sparc Sat Apr 3 0: 3: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADA314C85 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:03:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id AAA65872 for sparc@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:01:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19990403000112.A65853@nuxi.com> Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 00:01:12 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: EGCS 1.1.2 bug on sparcs Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jeff Johnson has a fix for a problem with egcs on sparc that clobbered registers on jump under some circumstances. Try ftp://ftp.redhat.com/starbuck/SRPMS/SRPMS/egcs-1.1.2-10.src.rpm -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Wed Apr 7 14:45:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from fep01-svc.tin.it (mta01-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7976314D3C for ; Wed, 7 Apr 1999 14:44:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from winworkstation ([212.216.236.104]) by fep01-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:11:12 +0100 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 02:14:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Read this... X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > Will someone with more courage and experiance than I please speak up about > > this, perhaps contact sun? > > Please _don't_ ask Sun for anything until you have a working port on > limited hardware. I doubt that anyone following this list would be > prepared to spend $$$ based on what has been said so far. Those people > who have access to Sun machines should be able to do a port with neither > financial nor moral support from Sun. If you want this sort of support, > you have to earn it. Let me explain the meaning of the word "support" from my personal point of view: 1) I haven't any Sun Hardware. I'm a student and I cannot pay 3000$ for a Sun Ultra5, only to "play" with it. I would have an AXi motherboard (good for experiments) but it costs too much. So, for the hardware I would have something like 50% of the price (no free hardware, at actual stage). Why Sun could give me/us this: I have not 3000$, and actually there are few persons with an Ultra box, so _if_ Sun wants more developers on this project they must help in some way. This is the situation it's not "charity"... Please note also the word "Open" also means: I can buy it for a good price. 2) Docs, pdf and other things.... On Intel you can find _anything_ about "how it boots", "how it works", books and docs. If you go in a bookstore you can find many books about "everything". Not the same situation on Sparc. So again: "Open" means I can read "how it works" without paying 500$... 3) Moral support. Actually, if Sun (SME) will put something on-line about the harware we can do a good job (something that works/boots on limited hardware) with no moral support. We can do experiments where "I don't know how it works" and read where "it's documented at page..." Thanks for youe time 8) Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Apr 8 14:37:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [207.153.65.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6C215BA9 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 14:36:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA27833; Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:33:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: Paolo Di Francesco Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Read this... In-Reply-To: <19981210011112.EMA26585.fep01-svc@winworkstation> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message needs a FAQ entry. On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > > > > Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > Will someone with more courage and experiance than I please speak up about > > > this, perhaps contact sun? > > > > > Please _don't_ ask Sun for anything until you have a working port on > > limited hardware. I doubt that anyone following this list would be > > prepared to spend $$$ based on what has been said so far. Those people > > who have access to Sun machines should be able to do a port with neither > > financial nor moral support from Sun. If you want this sort of support, > > you have to earn it. > > Let me explain the meaning of the word "support" from my personal point of > view: > > 1) I haven't any Sun Hardware. I'm a student and I cannot pay 3000$ for a Sun > Ultra5, only to "play" with it. I would have an AXi motherboard (good for > experiments) but it costs too much. So, for the hardware I would have something > like 50% of the price (no free hardware, at actual stage). Why Sun could give > me/us this: I have not 3000$, and actually there are few persons with an Ultra > box, so _if_ Sun wants more developers on this project they must help in some > way. This is the situation it's not "charity"... Please note also the word > "Open" also means: I can buy it for a good price. > > 2) Docs, pdf and other things.... On Intel you can find _anything_ about "how > it boots", "how it works", books and docs. If you go in a bookstore you can > find many books about "everything". Not the same situation on Sparc. > So again: "Open" means I can read "how it works" without paying 500$... > > 3) Moral support. Actually, if Sun (SME) will put something on-line about the > harware we can do a good job (something that works/boots on limited hardware) > with no moral support. We can do experiments where "I don't know how it works" > and read where "it's documented at page..." > > Thanks for youe time 8) > > > > Ciao Ciao > Paolo Di Francesco > _ > ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... > ~ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > -- | Matthew N. Dodd | 78 280Z | 75 164E | 84 245DL | FreeBSD/NetBSD/Sprite/VMS | | winter@jurai.net | This Space For Rent | ix86,sparc,m68k,pmax,vax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | Are you k-rad elite enough for my webpage? | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Fri Apr 9 15:28: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from beelzebubba.sysabend.org (beelzebubba.sysabend.org [208.243.107.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC8D214EA5 for ; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 15:27:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B13483FBF; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AA500998D; Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 13:48:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: "Matthew N. Dodd" Cc: Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Read this... In-Reply-To: <199904082142.RAA01094@gatekeeper.itribe.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message needs to be hunted down and summarily shot, hanged, run through, burned, and buried. Someone's mail server needs a killin'. On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: : :This message needs a FAQ entry. : :On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: : :> :> :> > Alfred Perlstein wrote: :> > > Will someone with more courage and experiance than I please speak up about :> > > this, perhaps contact sun? :> > :> :> > Please _don't_ ask Sun for anything until you have a working port on :> > limited hardware. I doubt that anyone following this list would be :> > prepared to spend $$$ based on what has been said so far. Those people :> > who have access to Sun machines should be able to do a port with neither :> > financial nor moral support from Sun. If you want this sort of support, :> > you have to earn it. :> :> Let me explain the meaning of the word "support" from my personal point of :> view: :> :> 1) I haven't any Sun Hardware. I'm a student and I cannot pay 3000$ for a Sun :> Ultra5, only to "play" with it. I would have an AXi motherboard (good for :> experiments) but it costs too much. So, for the hardware I would have something :> like 50% of the price (no free hardware, at actual stage). Why Sun could give :> me/us this: I have not 3000$, and actually there are few persons with an Ultra :> box, so _if_ Sun wants more developers on this project they must help in some :> way. This is the situation it's not "charity"... Please note also the word :> "Open" also means: I can buy it for a good price. :> :> 2) Docs, pdf and other things.... On Intel you can find _anything_ about "how :> it boots", "how it works", books and docs. If you go in a bookstore you can :> find many books about "everything". Not the same situation on Sparc. :> So again: "Open" means I can read "how it works" without paying 500$... :> :> 3) Moral support. Actually, if Sun (SME) will put something on-line about the :> harware we can do a good job (something that works/boots on limited hardware) :> with no moral support. We can do experiments where "I don't know how it works" :> and read where "it's documented at page..." :> :> Thanks for youe time 8) :> :> :> :> Ciao Ciao :> Paolo Di Francesco :> _ :> ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... :> ~ :> :> :> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :> with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message :> : :-- :| Matthew N. Dodd | 78 280Z | 75 164E | 84 245DL | FreeBSD/NetBSD/Sprite/VMS | :| winter@jurai.net | This Space For Rent | ix86,sparc,m68k,pmax,vax | :| http://www.jurai.net/~winter | Are you k-rad elite enough for my webpage? | : : : :To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message : Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sat Apr 10 4:52: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from www0b.netaddress.usa.net (www0b.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1183D14C29 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 04:51:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lamester@netscape.net) Received: (qmail 26528 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 1999 11:49:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19990410114938.26527.qmail@www0b.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.31 by www0b via web-mailer(M3.0.0.60) on Sat Apr 10 11:49:38 GMT 1999 Date: 10 Apr 99 23:49:38 NZST From: David Ferry To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Re: Read this...] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.60) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Good call. I wonder whether disolving it in acid would help? Jamie Bowden wrote: > = > This message needs to be hunted down and summarily shot, hanged, run > through, burned, and buried. Someone's mail server needs a killin'. > = > On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > = > : > :This message needs a FAQ entry. > : > :On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > : > :> = > :> = > :> > Alfred Perlstein wrote: > :> > > Will someone with more courage and experiance than I please spea= k up about > :> > > this, perhaps contact sun? > :> > = > :> = lamester@netscape.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sat Apr 10 5:47:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from acheron.middleboro.ma.us (acheron.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.162.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A164514FA9 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 05:47:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mason@acheron.middleboro.ma.us) Received: (from mason@localhost) by acheron.middleboro.ma.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20128; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:44:55 -0400 From: Mason Loring Bliss To: David Ferry Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Re: Read this...] Message-ID: <19990410084455.G348@acheron.middleboro.ma.us> References: <19990410114938.26527.qmail@www0b.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990410114938.26527.qmail@www0b.netaddress.usa.net>; from David Ferry on Sat, Apr 10, 1999 at 11:49:38PM +1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Apr 10, 1999 at 11:49:38PM +1200, David Ferry wrote: > Good call. > I wonder whether disolving it in acid would help? > > Jamie Bowden wrote: > > > > This message needs to be hunted down and summarily shot, hanged, run > > through, burned, and buried. Someone's mail server needs a killin'. Hey, at least it's generating traffic. That's been the only post in here for months! :P -- Mason Loring Bliss (( "In the drowsy dark cave of the mind dreams mason@acheron.middleboro.ma.us )) build their nest with fragments dropped http://acheron.ne.mediaone.net (( from day's caravan." - Rabindranath Tagore To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sat Apr 10 7:37:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (unknown [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19EB14D1D for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 07:37:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.225]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01698; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:35:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <370F52EA.EE3A0C4@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 07:32:26 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mason Loring Bliss Cc: David Ferry , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Re: Read this...] References: <19990410114938.26527.qmail@www0b.netaddress.usa.net> <19990410084455.G348@acheron.middleboro.ma.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mason Loring Bliss wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 10, 1999 at 11:49:38PM +1200, David Ferry wrote: > > > Good call. > > I wonder whether disolving it in acid would help? > > > > Jamie Bowden wrote: > > > > > > This message needs to be hunted down and summarily shot, hanged, run > > > through, burned, and buried. Someone's mail server needs a killin'. > > Hey, at least it's generating traffic. That's been the only post in here for > months! :P I think of it as the freebsd-sparc keep alive packet. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sat Apr 10 18:38:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEA7915302 for ; Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:37:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA03998; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:05:34 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id LAA38299; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:05:11 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19990411110511.B2142@lemis.com> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:05:11 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: David Ferry , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Re: Read this...] References: <19990410114938.26527.qmail@www0b.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19990410114938.26527.qmail@www0b.netaddress.usa.net>; from David Ferry on Sat, Apr 10, 1999 at 11:49:38PM +1200 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] On Saturday, 10 April 1999 at 23:49:38 +1200, David Ferry wrote: > Jamie Bowden wrote: >> On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: >>> On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: >>>>> Alfred Perlstein wrote: >>>>>> Will someone with more courage and experiance than I please >>>>>> speak up about this, perhaps contact sun? >>> >>> This message needs a FAQ entry. >>> >> >> This message needs to be hunted down and summarily shot, hanged, run >> through, burned, and buried. Someone's mail server needs a killin'. > > Good call. > I wonder whether disolving it in acid would help? It's Telecom Italia. I've written them several messages, but they seem to be completely incompetent. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Apr 11 16: 8:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from fep08-svc.tin.it (pop04-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E1016344 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 15:42:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from harlock ([212.216.239.52]) by fep02-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19990411222153.GCZX29810.fep02-svc@harlock>; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 00:21:53 +0200 From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: Wes Peters , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 00:24:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [Re: Read this...] In-reply-to: <370F52EA.EE3A0C4@softweyr.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990411222153.GCZX29810.fep02-svc@harlock> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > Hey, at least it's generating traffic. That's been the only post in here for > > months! :P > > I think of it as the freebsd-sparc keep alive packet. ;^) > Oh, well... Let's discuss about kernel. 8) Actually I don't know which is the best version to start experiments with... The 3.1 version could be a good candidate, but I have seen a 4.0 version in the -current tree... I have read the README in the 4.0 current to see what's new and what's not. Changed the compiler from gcc to egcs, so we can start "officially" developing with egcs. ;) Changed swap code, but I could be only C code ( I hope it is verry portable...) Added some hardware support. But, I don't know if 3.1 is a good investment. Will be the 3.X branch alive when (and if) the sparc port will be usable? I don't know. 8( Personally I think 4.0 is too young. So 3.1 could be a very interesting investment. About material I have buyed or ordered to start developing. I have a sparc box. It's a "private effort", so I can do every type of experiments. I have just received the Sun books (sparc assembly V9 manual and Panic) so I have started reading in my spare time ;) Now I have a more clear idea of Sun hardware. How it works, the philosophy, and so on.... P.S. I hope this message will not generate another "keep-alive packet" Sorry it's my ISP 8( Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Apr 11 16:53:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from www0f.netaddress.usa.net (www0f.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AC1215617 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:51:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lamester@netscape.net) Received: (qmail 9689 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Apr 1999 23:48:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19990411234848.9688.qmail@www0f.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.35 by www0f via web-mailer(M3.0.0.60) on Sun Apr 11 23:48:48 GMT 1999 Date: 12 Apr 99 11:48:48 NZST From: David Ferry To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Finally a kernel discussion, yay! X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.60) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > = > Oh, well... Let's discuss about kernel. 8) > = > Actually I don't know which is the best version to start experiments = > with... = > = > The 3.1 version could be a good candidate, but I have seen a 4.0 versio= n = > in the -current tree... > = I'm not fussed. In fact I don't care. By the time we have this going it w= on't matter. I haven't had any luck getting a cross compiler on x86 generate sparc-64 = code. Has anyone done this or are you all using netbsd or something. I was using gcc-2.7.2.3 and was getting definition disagrees with previou= s definition for sizet or something (64 bit int I think). Basically what the first step should be is to set up the mmu so that it u= ses the same mappings as the alpha is suspect. = When we hacked linux to the sun 3/80 we just set up the mmu for 3 level p= age tables, with 4k pages. We then made a putc function that called the proms= putchar function and you get some things happening. On ultra IIi we can only have 8k pages as the smallest. I take it that th= is is because of the 44 bit virtual address space. I still do not have an ultra but am working on it. -Dave lamester@netscape.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Apr 12 7:56:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (unknown [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C9015548 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:56:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com ([204.68.178.225]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06573; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:54:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <37120906.471862CA@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 08:53:58 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ferry Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Finally a kernel discussion, yay! References: <19990411234848.9688.qmail@www0f.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Ferry wrote: > > > > > Oh, well... Let's discuss about kernel. 8) > > > > Actually I don't know which is the best version to start experiments > > with... > > > > The 3.1 version could be a good candidate, but I have seen a 4.0 version > > in the -current tree... > > > > I'm not fussed. In fact I don't care. By the time we have this going it won't > matter. > > I haven't had any luck getting a cross compiler on x86 generate sparc-64 code. > Has anyone done this or are you all using netbsd or something. > I was using gcc-2.7.2.3 and was getting definition disagrees with previous > definition for sizet or something (64 bit int I think). The sparc64 code in any GCC is too broken to bother with. Recent EGCS releases are somewhat more trustworthy, try one of those. Whatever the NetBSD sparc64 project is currently using is your best bet for compiler bits. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Apr 12 11:23:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enetis.net (mail.enetis.net [206.31.204.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1723015138 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:23:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jengland@enetis.net) Received: from enetis.net (richmond.enetis.net [206.31.204.41]) by mail.enetis.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA09264 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:21:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <37123996.8E77DBB2@enetis.net> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:21:11 -0600 From: Justin England X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe freebsd-sparc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Apr 12 22:36:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (unknown [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BBD214DE6 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:36:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id WAA46899; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:34:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19990412223407.D38774@nuxi.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:34:07 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD version to base Sparc development on Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <370F52EA.EE3A0C4@softweyr.com> <19990411222153.GCZX29810.fep02-svc@harlock> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19990411222153.GCZX29810.fep02-svc@harlock>; from Paolo Di Francesco on Mon, Apr 12, 1999 at 12:24:42AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The 3.1 version could be a good candidate, but I have seen a 4.0 version > in the -current tree... Definiately some point along 4.0-CURRENT. Fresh experiemential code, such as supporting Sparc, cannot be 1st introduced into the 3.x branch. Also if you target 3.x, the you will have a hell of a time adding the Sparc bits into 4.x. This is one of the mistakes of the PAO [laptop] code. > Personally I think 4.0 is too young. So 3.1 could be a very interesting > investment. Again, starting from 3.1 you will have an orphaned port that will never be merged into mainline FreeBSD. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Mon Apr 12 22:38:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (unknown [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA2214DE6 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:38:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id WAA46930; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:36:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19990412223615.E38774@nuxi.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 22:36:15 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: David Ferry , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD version to base Sparc development on Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990411234848.9688.qmail@www0f.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19990411234848.9688.qmail@www0f.netaddress.usa.net>; from David Ferry on Mon, Apr 12, 1999 at 11:48:48AM +1200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I was using gcc-2.7.2.3 and was getting definition disagrees with Don't even try! I would suggest the approach taken on the Alpha port -- install NetBSD on your Sparc, and then bring over parts of FreeBSD at a time. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Apr 13 14:15:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from fep02-svc.tin.it (mta02-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E235314E42; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:15:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from harlock ([212.216.239.51]) by fep02-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19990413211301.FVWA5494.fep02-svc@harlock>; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:13:01 +0200 From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:15:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FreeBSD version to base Sparc development on In-reply-to: <19990412223407.D38774@nuxi.com> References: <19990411222153.GCZX29810.fep02-svc@harlock>; from Paolo Di Francesco on Mon, Apr 12, 1999 at 12:24:42AM +0100 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990413211301.FVWA5494.fep02-svc@harlock> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org About the kernel. How to download the kernel and play with it? Under Linux you can download a single package and then try to compile it (the kernel package). I have seen the src/ dir and I have seen many 200K packages. Which download? How to build the kernel without downloading the entire 500MB distribution? What I need is only the kernel. I don't want to download unuseful stuff. Could be CVS a solution? Will this situation change in the future? (separate kernel package and user-land) > > The 3.1 version could be a good candidate, but I have seen a 4.0 version > > in the -current tree... > > Definiately some point along 4.0-CURRENT. Fresh experiemential code, > such as supporting Sparc, cannot be 1st introduced into the 3.x branch. > Also if you target 3.x, the you will have a hell of a time adding the > Sparc bits into 4.x. This is one of the mistakes of the PAO [laptop] > code. > > > > Personally I think 4.0 is too young. So 3.1 could be a very interesting > > investment. > > Again, starting from 3.1 you will have an orphaned port that will never > be merged into mainline FreeBSD. > Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Apr 13 14:20: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E53614D54 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id OAA50434; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:17:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19990413141703.A50408@nuxi.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:17:03 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD version to base Sparc development on Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990411222153.GCZX29810.fep02-svc@harlock>; <19990412223407.D38774@nuxi.com> <19990413211301.FVWA5494.fep02-svc@harlock> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19990413211301.FVWA5494.fep02-svc@harlock>; from Paolo Di Francesco on Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 11:15:34PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > How to download the kernel and play with it? Whoa!! Perhaps people should take a trip to www.freebsd.org and read http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/cutting-edge.html#CURRENT > Could be CVS a solution? CVS *IS* the solution. > Will this situation change in the future? (separate kernel package and > user-land) The above URL will answer all your questions. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Apr 13 14:23:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from fep01-svc.tin.it (mta01-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34D814DC2; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:23:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from harlock ([212.216.239.51]) by fep01-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19990413212101.FUBP27667.fep01-svc@harlock>; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:21:01 +0200 From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:24:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FreeBSD version to base Sparc development on In-reply-to: <19990413141703.A50408@nuxi.com> References: <19990413211301.FVWA5494.fep02-svc@harlock>; from Paolo Di Francesco on Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 11:15:34PM +0100 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990413212101.FUBP27667.fep01-svc@harlock> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > How to download the kernel and play with it? > > Whoa!! Perhaps people should take a trip to www.freebsd.org and read > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/cutting-edge.html#CURRENT > Already read it many months ago... 8) > > Could be CVS a solution? > > CVS *IS* the solution. > Hum.. maybe the question should have been: Is CVS the _only_ solution? > > Will this situation change in the future? (separate kernel package and > > user-land) > > The above URL will answer all your questions. > Personally, I prefer the one-big-package solution. But I think I'll set up CVS next weekend. ;) Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Apr 13 14:28: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504CF14EAC for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:28:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id OAA50523; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:24:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19990413142432.A50505@nuxi.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:24:32 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Paolo Di Francesco , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD version to base Sparc development on Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990413211301.FVWA5494.fep02-svc@harlock>; <19990413141703.A50408@nuxi.com> <19990413212101.FUBP27667.fep01-svc@harlock> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19990413212101.FUBP27667.fep01-svc@harlock>; from Paolo Di Francesco on Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 11:24:09PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > How to download the kernel and play with it? > > Already read it many months ago... 8) Then why are you asking how to get the kernel? 1. CVSup the "src-sys" collection 2. run "mirror" on ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/sys/ 3. CTM -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Apr 13 14:33: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from fep04-svc.tin.it (mta04-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8934214EAC; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:32:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from harlock ([212.216.239.51]) by fep04-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19990413212952.MTRK1469.fep04-svc@harlock>; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:29:52 +0200 From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:32:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FreeBSD version to base Sparc development on In-reply-to: <19990413142432.A50505@nuxi.com> References: <19990413212101.FUBP27667.fep01-svc@harlock>; from Paolo Di Francesco on Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 11:24:09PM +0100 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990413212952.MTRK1469.fep04-svc@harlock> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > How to download the kernel and play with it? > > > > Already read it many months ago... 8) > > Then why are you asking how to get the kernel? > Sometime things change.... Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Apr 13 14:36: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from cygnus.rush.net (cygnus.rush.net [209.45.245.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E773150B9; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:35:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@rush.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by cygnus.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA06147; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:45:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:45:08 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein To: Paolo Di Francesco Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD version to base Sparc development on In-Reply-To: <19990413212101.FUBP27667.fep01-svc@harlock> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > > > How to download the kernel and play with it? > > > > Whoa!! Perhaps people should take a trip to www.freebsd.org and read > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/cutting-edge.html#CURRENT > > > > Already read it many months ago... 8) > > > > Could be CVS a solution? > > > > CVS *IS* the solution. > > > > Hum.. maybe the question should have been: Is CVS the _only_ solution? it's the BEST solution, how do you plan on showing us diffs without a compatible repository mechanism? > > > Will this situation change in the future? (separate kernel package and > > > user-land) > > > > The above URL will answer all your questions. > > > > Personally, I prefer the one-big-package solution. But I think I'll set > up CVS next weekend. ;) The simplest thing I found was to download the cvs repository, I'll get you a cvsup file that explains how to do this as soon as I get my machines up in working order. In the meanwhile check out /usr/share/examples/{cvs,cvsup} those have files that will help you download your own cvs repository. btw, did we go over the issues about developing for -CURRENT instead of for -STABLE about FIVE TIMES ALREADY? Let me reitirate (or just irritate): IF YOU DON'T DO IT FOR -CURRENT THEY WON'T TAKE THE PATCHES, THANK YOU. thanks, -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Apr 13 14:48: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from fep02-svc.tin.it (mta02-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3737150D6 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:43:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from harlock ([212.216.239.51]) by fep02-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19990413214044.FZCF5494.fep02-svc@harlock>; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:40:44 +0200 From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: Alfred Perlstein , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:43:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FreeBSD version to base Sparc development on References: <19990413212101.FUBP27667.fep01-svc@harlock> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990413214044.FZCF5494.fep02-svc@harlock> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > CVS *IS* the solution. > it's the BEST solution, how do you plan on showing us diffs without > a compatible repository mechanism? > Well, I understand the problems, but I'm not interested in submitting the code. So from my _personal_ point of view I need a tool to download not to upload code. But, let's stop this topic.... > > > > Will this situation change in the future? (separate kernel package and > > > > user-land) > > > > > > The above URL will answer all your questions. > > > > > > > Personally, I prefer the one-big-package solution. But I think I'll set > > up CVS next weekend. ;) > > The simplest thing I found was to download the cvs repository, I'll get > you a cvsup file that explains how to do this as soon as I get my machines > up in working order. > Ok, thank you. > In the meanwhile check out /usr/share/examples/{cvs,cvsup} those > have files that will help you download your own cvs repository. > I'll read them. > btw, did we go over the issues about developing for -CURRENT instead of > for -STABLE about FIVE TIMES ALREADY? Let me reitirate (or just irritate): > > IF YOU DON'T DO IT FOR -CURRENT THEY WON'T TAKE THE PATCHES, THANK YOU. > I have a low persistence human-RAM... 8) I'll link to the -current branch as soon as possible. Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Apr 13 15: 0: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71D314CBE for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:59:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id OAA50851; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:53:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19990413145300.A50649@nuxi.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:53:00 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Paolo Di Francesco , Alfred Perlstein , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD version to base Sparc development on Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990413212101.FUBP27667.fep01-svc@harlock> <19990413214044.FZCF5494.fep02-svc@harlock> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19990413214044.FZCF5494.fep02-svc@harlock>; from Paolo Di Francesco on Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 11:43:35PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Well, I understand the problems, but I'm not interested in submitting > the code. Isn't this the FREEBSD-sparc porting mailing list??? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Isn't our goal to see Sparc specific code become part of FreeBSD??? -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Apr 13 15: 4: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B0C1551B; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:03:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA07567; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:02:57 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199904132202.IAA07567@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: FreeBSD version to base Sparc development on In-Reply-To: <19990413145300.A50649@nuxi.com> from "David O'Brien" at "Apr 13, 1999 2:53: 0 pm" To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:02:56 +1000 (EST) Cc: paipai@tin.it, bright@rush.net, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien wrote: > > Well, I understand the problems, but I'm not interested in submitting > > the code. > > Isn't this the FREEBSD-sparc porting mailing list??? > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Isn't our goal to see Sparc specific code become part of FreeBSD??? Try ignoring messages from people who show no signs of following -current. They don't understand that they don't understand. -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Apr 13 16:56:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from fep01-svc.tin.it (mta01-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0657814CC7; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:56:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paipai@box4.tin.it) Received: from harlock ([212.216.234.204]) by fep01-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19990413235405.ASV6763.fep01-svc@harlock>; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:54:05 +0200 From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 01:57:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FreeBSD version to base Sparc development on In-reply-to: <19990413145300.A50649@nuxi.com> References: <19990413214044.FZCF5494.fep02-svc@harlock>; from Paolo Di Francesco on Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 11:43:35PM +0100 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990413235405.ASV6763.fep01-svc@harlock> Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Well, I understand the problems, but I'm not interested in submitting > > the code. > > Isn't this the FREEBSD-sparc porting mailing list??? > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Isn't our goal to see Sparc specific code become part of FreeBSD??? > Yes, but not at this stage. Maybe in the future, but actually I have no sparc code to submit. I only want to download the kernel. Now, I think we have discussed about the CVS topic enogh.... 8) Ciao Ciao Paolo Di Francesco _ ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... ~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Apr 13 17:36:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from ww184.netaddress.usa.net (ww184.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CE4D1537D for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lamester@netscape.net) Received: (qmail 16722 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 1999 00:34:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19990414003411.16721.qmail@ww184.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.84 by ww184 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.60) on Wed Apr 14 00:34:11 GMT 1999 Date: 14 Apr 99 12:34:11 NZST From: David Ferry To: Paolo Di Francesco Subject: Re: [Re: Finally a kernel discussion, yay!] Cc: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.60) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Paolo Di Francesco" wrote: > > = > > > = > > > Oh, well... Let's discuss about kernel. 8) > > > = > > > Actually I don't know which is the best version to start experiment= s = > > > with... = > > > = > > > The 3.1 version could be a good candidate, but I have seen a 4.0 ve= rsion > > > in the -current tree... > > > = > > = > > I'm not fussed. In fact I don't care. By the time we have this going = it won't > > matter. > > = > = > Ok. I'll buy the 3.1 CDRom, so I can start ... ;) > = Cool. About the compiler....egcs must work, it is used in linux/ultrasparc. The problem with second pahse building with gcc is that we require a /usr/include that is specific for the 64bit ultra. This defines stuff like the size of pointers (1 register) ie. 1 word size= ie 64 bits. This is where the compiler is breaking, so if anyone out there has a /usr/include (specifically stdio.h) for a 64bit machine, we can probably complete building of a cross compiler. lamester@netscape.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Apr 13 17:40:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD2414CAA for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:40:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id RAA51689; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:38:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Message-ID: <19990413173823.I47787@nuxi.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:38:23 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: David Ferry Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Re: Finally a kernel discussion, yay!] Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990414003411.16721.qmail@ww184.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19990414003411.16721.qmail@ww184.netaddress.usa.net>; from David Ferry on Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 12:34:11PM +1200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The problem with second pahse building with gcc is that we require a > /usr/include that is specific for the 64bit ultra. > This defines stuff like the size of pointers (1 register) ie. 1 word > size ie 64 bits. Can't most of this be gotten from the existing include files? The Alpha should have the same requirements. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Apr 13 17:44: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from cimlogic.com.au (cimlog.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.51.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E4A14DFE; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:44:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jb@cimlogic.com.au) Received: (from jb@localhost) by cimlogic.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA08106; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:43:11 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from jb) From: John Birrell Message-Id: <199904140043.KAA08106@cimlogic.com.au> Subject: Re: [Re: Finally a kernel discussion, yay!] In-Reply-To: <19990413173823.I47787@nuxi.com> from "David O'Brien" at "Apr 13, 1999 5:38:23 pm" To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:43:11 +1000 (EST) Cc: lamester@netscape.net, freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien wrote: > > The problem with second pahse building with gcc is that we require a > > /usr/include that is specific for the 64bit ultra. > > This defines stuff like the size of pointers (1 register) ie. 1 word > > size ie 64 bits. > > Can't most of this be gotten from the existing include files? The Alpha > should have the same requirements. When building a cross-compiler /usr/include is for the _host_ machine, not the target. Does egcs support cross-compiling for a 64-bit target on a 32-bit host? -- John Birrell - jb@cimlogic.com.au; jb@freebsd.org http://www.cimlogic.com.au/ CIMlogic Pty Ltd, GPO Box 117A, Melbourne Vic 3001, Australia +61 418 353 137 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Apr 13 23:17: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D5E15133 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:16:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA21286; Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:14:26 +0300 (EEST) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:14:26 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: Paolo Di Francesco Cc: Alfred Perlstein , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD version to base Sparc development on In-Reply-To: <19990413214044.FZCF5494.fep02-svc@harlock> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > > > > > CVS *IS* the solution. > > > it's the BEST solution, how do you plan on showing us diffs without > > a compatible repository mechanism? > > > > Well, I understand the problems, but I'm not interested in submitting the code. So from my > _personal_ point of view I need a tool to download not to upload code. > > But, let's stop this topic.... > You have come tothis list at least a year too early. Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. > > Ciao Ciao > Paolo Di Francesco > _ > ->B<- All Recycled Bytes Message ... > ~ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Tue Apr 13 23:55:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from ww185.netaddress.usa.net (ww185.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 182CB14D85 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:55:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lamester@netscape.net) Received: (qmail 14235 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 1999 06:53:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19990414065328.14234.qmail@ww185.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.85 by ww185 via web-mailer(M3.0.0.60) on Wed Apr 14 06:53:28 GMT 1999 Date: 14 Apr 99 18:53:28 NZST From: David Ferry To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: [Re: FreeBSD version to base Sparc development on]] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.60) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----NetAddressPart-00--=_Ng2C2928S85184846bf" Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------NetAddressPart-00--=_Ng2C2928S85184846bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Narvi wrote: = > = > On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: = > > > = > > > > > CVS *IS* the solution. = > > = > > > it's the BEST solution, how do you plan on showing us diffs without= = > > > a compatible repository mechanism? = > > > = > > = > > Well, I understand the problems, but I'm not interested in submitting= the = code. So from my = > > _personal_ point of view I need a tool to download not to upload code= =2E = > > = > > But, let's stop this topic.... = > > = > = > You have come tothis list at least a year too early. = > = > Sander = > = We don't need to be discussing which branch of freebsd we will patch to a= t the moment. = We are so far away from producing a kernel that boots that it is not even= = funny. We need a booting kernel before any of the userspace stuff, obviou= sly. = We can reapply our code to whatever version the freebsd folks require at = the time. The reasoning is that most of the sparc specific stuff in the kerne= l will live in its own directory. There is much to do before we can hook in= to the main kernel code. = lamester@netscape.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ------NetAddressPart-00--=_Ng2C2928S85184846bf Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Forwarded Message" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from 204.68.24.33 by www0d via web-mailer(M3.0.0.60) on Wed Apr 14 06:23:16 GMT 1999 Date: 14 Apr 99 18:23:16 NZST From: David Ferry To: Narvi Subject: Re: [Re: FreeBSD version to base Sparc development on] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.0.0.60) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Narvi wrote: > = > On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > = > > = > > > > > CVS *IS* the solution. > > = > > > it's the BEST solution, how do you plan on showing us diffs without= = > > > a compatible repository mechanism? > > > = > > = > > Well, I understand the problems, but I'm not interested in submitting= the code. So from my = > > _personal_ point of view I need a tool to download not to upload code= =2E > > = > > But, let's stop this topic.... > > = > = > You have come tothis list at least a year too early. > = > Sander > = We don't need to be discussing which branch of freebsd we will patch to a= t the moment. We are so far away from producing a kernel that boots that it is not even= funny. We need a booting kernel before any of the userspace stuff, obviou= sly. We can reapply our code to whatever version the freebsd folks require at = the time. The reasoning is that most of the sparc specific stuff in the kerne= l will live in its own directory. There is much to do before we can hook in= to the main kernel code. lamester@netscape.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ------NetAddressPart-00--=_Ng2C2928S85184846bf-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Apr 15 12:35:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C6214D35 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:35:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA13762 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:33:03 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:33:03 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Usparc and protection bits Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! Does any have an opinion what "we" should do about the possible (soft) protection bits on UltraSparc, including things like execute only? Sander, other opinions about things taking place on ~ that level are also wellcome. There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Thu Apr 15 19: 8:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from feeding.frenzy.com (feeding.frenzy.com [209.198.142.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28DD14D24 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:08:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrbill@feeding.frenzy.com) Received: (from mrbill@localhost) by feeding.frenzy.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id VAA13293; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:06:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19990415210607.F8158@frenzy.com> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:06:07 -0500 From: Bill Bradford To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Subject: Is FreeBSD/SPARC still a dead end? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is FreeBSD/SPARC still a dead end? Bill -- Bill Bradford * mrbill@frenzy.com * mrbill@sunhelp.com http://www.sunhelp.com / http://www.sunhelp.org ---------------------------------------------------------- From a Sun Microsystems bug report (#4102680): "Workaround: don't pound on the mouse like a wild monkey." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Apr 18 9:16:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from 7thsun.piermont.com (7thsun.piermont.com [206.1.51.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF7614CF7 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 09:16:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjs@cynic.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by 7thsun.piermont.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA03061 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:14:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: 7thsun.piermont.com: cjs owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 12:13:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Curt Sampson X-Sender: cjs@7thsun.piermont.com To: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SPARC Manuals In-Reply-To: <19990411222153.GCZX29810.fep02-svc@harlock> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > I have just received the Sun books (sparc assembly V9 > manual and Panic) so I have started reading in my spare time ;) What are you folks here using in the way of documentation for UltraSparc work? I have _The SPARC Architecture Manual, version 9_, but that doesn't cover a lot of machine-specific stuff, of course. (My interest is prompted by the fact a spare Ultra-1 landed under my desk at work.) cjs -- Curt Sampson 604 801 5335 De gustibus, aut bene aut nihil. The most widely ported operating system in the world: http://www.netbsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Apr 18 10:46:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from bubba.NMSU.Edu (bubba.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E513A14BE5 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 10:46:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ian@nmsu.edu) Received: from dns1.NMSU.Edu (dns1.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.5]) by bubba.NMSU.Edu (8.9.2/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA24514; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:41:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from wilma.NMSU.Edu (wilma.NMSU.Edu [128.123.3.12]) by dns1.NMSU.Edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA25487; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from ian@localhost) by wilma.NMSU.Edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) id LAA15656; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:41:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:41:33 -0600 (MDT) From: ian@nmsu.edu Message-Id: <199904181741.LAA15656@wilma.NMSU.Edu> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Curt Sampson , freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SPARC Manuals Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You'll probably want to look at The UltraSPARC I&II User's Manual USC Users manual (Uniprocessor System Controller), and the U2S Users Manual (UPA to SBus Interface). I believe most if not all of these are available online from Sun somewhere under http://www.sun.com/microelectronics The Sparc Architecture Manual and the UltraSPARC users manual are really needed together to get the complete picture. Hope it helps, Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-sparc Sun Apr 18 11:50:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-sparc@freebsd.org Received: from cygnus.rush.net (cygnus.rush.net [209.45.245.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BAE715518 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 11:50:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@rush.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by cygnus.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA22478; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:02:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 14:02:52 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein To: Curt Sampson Cc: freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SPARC Manuals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-sparc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 18 Apr 1999, Curt Sampson wrote: > On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: > > > I have just received the Sun books (sparc assembly V9 > > manual and Panic) so I have started reading in my spare time ;) > > What are you folks here using in the way of documentation for > UltraSparc work? I have _The SPARC Architecture Manual, version > 9_, but that doesn't cover a lot of machine-specific stuff, of > course. That book, as well as ultralinux and netbsd-sparc64, that's all i found available except some manuals from Firmworks.com that explained the openfirmware boot loader to me. > (My interest is prompted by the fact a spare Ultra-1 landed under > my desk at work.) If it's a 140 or 170 (not the 170/e) you should be able to try netbsd on it. My problem is that i purchased a souped up ultra (170/e) and netbsd doeesn't yet support my SCSI, ethernet and display hardware. :( -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-sparc" in the body of the message